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---Logopened Sat Jan 02 00:00:23 2010
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00:46<i_is_broke>i really want to say, after using ubuntu for so long, i have just recently changed over to debian, and i like it a lot better...even the testing is more stable then there regular release.
00:46<i_is_broke>thanks to all that work on it and help with it.
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00:49<rex>me too . debian is solid
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00:56<smiley>Agreed.. I too switched from Ubuntu
00:57<smiley>I was constantly getting pissed off at every new release .. my sound, and video would always have huge issues
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01:19<musixuser>anyone here?
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01:22<int_80h>some people have no patience
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01:23<rex>i know right
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01:24<streuner_>int_80h: yep, but patience has a bad aptitude too
01:24<int_80h>patience has a bad attitude?
01:25<streuner_>well, you are waiting for something and have pain :-)
01:25<streuner_>but 1 minute shouldnt be that *HARD* :-)
01:26<int_80h>I see
01:29<int_80h>apt-get purge dbus
01:29<int_80h>the following NEW packages will be installed:
01:29<int_80h>libaudclient 2 libaudcore1 libaudid3tag2 libaudutil1 libsad2 libudev0
01:30<streuner_>int_80h: sid?
01:31<int_80h>to remove dbus i have to say purge dbus AND all those other packages. it's really quite fucked.
01:32<streuner_>well, dbus is pretty essential in Debian nowadays...
01:32<int_80h>ahhh, but removing a package should NEVER result in adding new ones!
01:33<streuner_>well, maintainer or the group made some thoughts about..
01:33<valdyn>int_80h: its probably not the result of removing dbus
01:34<valdyn>int_80h: but the result of running apt-get, giving it a try to fix your system
01:34<int_80h>i can apt-get install something else without any intrusions, thank you
01:35<int_80h>streuner_: if DBUS is essential, it should be marked such and made priority: required and maybe even given a postconfig warning like some packages have :P
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01:37<int_80h>valdyn: i tested just to be 100% and am able to install a trivial package without having libaudclient2 and the others even mentioned, so...
01:37<streuner_>s/essential/important/ - better? :-P
01:38<int_80h>right, but any non-essential packages shouldn't stymie me in removing them. they should just make my debian experience less pleasant without them around, agreed?
01:38<int_80h>i think this is some weird issue in apt rather than anything to do with dbus itself, though
01:39<valdyn>int_80h: such weird behavious is somewhat typical for aptitude, not apt-get
01:39<int_80h>i agree, that's why i never use aptitude
01:39<int_80h>always apt-get or dpkg itself
01:39<valdyn>int_80h: and i cant reproduce it
01:39<int_80h>and dpkg only sparingly
01:39<int_80h>hmm, i've had it happen on more than one system (though not necessarily with this package, just with removing packages yielding an addition of packages)
01:42<int_80h>and indeed, none of my other systems throw up issues removing DBUS. Perhaps I should reinstall apt on this box, maybe it's borked
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02:40<fabio_>I have a proble
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02:41<fabio_>I'm using squeeze and sound doesn't work if I have a usb mic plugged in on boot
02:41<fabio_>what can I do?
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03:59<bar>felñiz año nuevo
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04:13<teage>Does anyone know what the difference is between Gyahi and GyachE
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04:20<gsimmons>teage: GyachI is a fork of the unmaintained Gyach-E.
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04:22<valdyn>fabio_: create a proper ~/.asoundrc
04:22<valdyn>fabio_: or /etc/asoundrc
04:23<valdyn>fabio_: surely sound works though, youre just changing the default device by having the usb mic plugged in
04:25<teage>gsimmons-ok, my next question, how to uninstall gyachI and install Gyach-E? I did (sudo apt-get remove)
04:25<teage>Didnt get it all though.
04:26<gsimmons>teage: Are you using Debian? Neither application is currently packaged for it.
04:26<valdyn>teage: installing the new one will replace the old one or work alongside, they cant conflict while being installed
04:26<teage>No im not, Ubuntu Karmic, I was in the other channel but they are not speaking.
04:27<valdyn>!they don't know
04:27<dpkg>Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google.
04:27<teage>dpkg- just figured because ubuntu is based on debian it might be simular
04:27<gsimmons>teage: Sorry, not our problem. Ubuntu is not supported here.
04:28<cahoot>simular is actually a good word for the relation debian - ubuntu
04:29<teage>K- Thanks for the info of non info. Tried google, maybe will try rewording. Thanks anyway fellas
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05:00<Guest256>i have a pblm in debian 5 (eduboss)
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05:01<Guest256>how can list the all devicces in my machine
05:01<Guest256>and how install softwares in linux
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05:04<karthik_>what's the command to find directories starting with dot
05:04<dondelelcaro>karthik_: find
05:05<weasel>ls -a?
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05:21<beginner>I got a problem with virtualbox
05:21<beginner>The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist.
05:22<beginner>any hints? :(
05:22<Gathond>modprobe vboxdrv ?
05:22<beginner>I can't run sudo module-assistant a-i virtualbox-ose
05:23<beginner>that is not helping
05:23<Gathond>why can't you run the above?
05:23<beginner>FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
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05:26<karthik>try "/etc/vboxdrv setup" as root
05:28<beginner>there is no such a file as vboxdrv in /etc directory!!
05:28<beginner>ra-laptop:~# uname -a Linux ra-laptop 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 28 16:33:19 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
05:29<Gathond>what does dpkg -l virtualbox* say?
05:29<Gathond>especially about kernel modules and whether any are installed
05:30<beginner>no description available!
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05:33<Gathond>how have you installed virtualbox then?
05:33<Gathond>not the version actually in the debian release you are using?
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05:34<beginner>check the post
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05:35<Gathond>you don't seem to have the module for that version of the kernel you are running that is correct
05:35<Gathond>where does module-assistant fail?
05:35<beginner>I think so, I got the latest kernel version
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05:36<Gathond>beginner: that output contain only module packages for 2.6.26-2
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05:37<beginner>meaning if I reboot my pc and log through older version,it might work?
05:37<beginner>interesting, let me see
05:37<beginner>brb 2 min
05:37<Gathond>or you could try recompiling that modules package (last one) with module-assistant
05:37<Gathond>that should work
05:37<Gathond>provided it can compile and everything is in place to do so
05:39<Gathond>where does module assistant fail?
05:39<Gathond>and how
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05:40<beginner>when I try to run sudo module-assistant a-i virtualbox-ose
05:40<beginner>it stops here
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05:41<Gathond>try running it without the arguments
05:41<Gathond>then go through the motions in the menu structure
05:42<Gathond>i.e. start with update, then prepare then select
05:42<Gathond>then after you have selected it do get, then build
05:42<Gathond>it should ask whether to install it when it is build (provided things goes well)
05:43<beginner>it can not contruct SUPDrv-linux-c:734 and 735
05:43<beginner>ok, I am checking your instruction now
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05:44<Gathond>it will probably fail in the same place though
05:45<beginner>if I ran the last command without any argument
05:46<beginner>I fa many packages, in package selection?
05:46<beginner>which one am I supposed to pick up?
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05:54<Gathond>beginner: the one called virtualbox-ose
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05:55<beginner>i see
05:56*adb likes dkms , no more needs m-a virtualbox-ose
05:56<beginner>binary packages for kernel 2.6.30bpo not found
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05:57<bem>good year to all
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06:00<Gathond>beginner: did you install a kernel on your own?
06:00<beginner>I always upgrade
06:01<ml|>adb: yes dkms is nice, does it work well for you?
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06:01<adb>ml|, sure and specially w/ vbox
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06:02<beginner>I installed kdms
06:02<beginner>but my VM is not working yet
06:03<bem>hi to all, one question. I have an eee box that don't start with debian (also with squeeze) because the kernel don't support the driver of JMicron JMC250 Gigabit NIC. I can start with ubuntu but I want to deploy debian. How I can load the driver (or firmware) of the ethernet card of the ubuntu distro in my debian?
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06:04<ml|>adb: great, now that I'm using a stock kernels again I will use dkms again, thanks for the reminder
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06:05<adb>ml|, stock or no stock kernel it works ..
06:06<beginner>E: Couldn't find package 2.6.30-8~bpo50+1
06:07<ml|>adb: don't remember the issue, but did not work well on vanilla kernels here
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06:09<ml|>beginner: do you have backports in you sources.list? and/or did you aptitude update first?
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06:10<beginner>I update first
06:10<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>.
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06:13<adb>why "2.6.30-8~bpo50+1" << that's wrong ?
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06:14<beginner>Linux ra-laptop 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 #1 SMP Wed Oct 28 16:33:19 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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06:20<gsimmons>bem: The JMC250 controller (PCI-ID 197b:0250) is supported by the jme driver in 2.6.28 and later kernels. If Squeeze's 2.6.30 kernel fails to operate your device, test against unstable's 2.6.32 kernel.
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06:20<ml|>beginner: so you don have /etc/init.d/vboxdrv ?
06:21<beginner>I don't
06:21<beginner>that is my problem since very begining!
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06:22<bem>gsimmons: thanks but I know if I can load only the driver of JMC250 in my debian installer
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06:22<beginner>I made it manually but it is empty actually
06:22<beginner>mk vboxdrv
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06:23<ml|>hmm, weird seems like you might need to reinstall virtualbox-ose or the other from vbox site
06:24<ml|>did was vbox working before, whatever you did?
06:24<beginner>yes, as far as I can remember, once upon a time it used to work properly
06:24<beginner>maybe a couple of months ago or last year!!!!
06:27<beginner>now I want to install Centos , I need to learn it
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06:30<adb>beginner, try a reboot ..
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06:33<ml|>a reboot can't hurt but /etc/init.d/vboxdrv is mia
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06:34<rr0d>hello is how do i get rid of this /usr/sbin/gpartedbin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: g_emblem_get_type
06:34<bem>gsimmons: you mean that I donwload this iso?
06:35<ml|>you can try ...
06:35<ml|>dpkg: kmuto
06:35<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of
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06:37<ml|>rr0d: to get better help, pastebin the whole output of that error
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06:38<rr0d>thats all
06:38<rr0d>if i run vmware
06:38<rr0d>i get vmware
06:38<rr0d>/usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware-modconfig: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: g_emblem_get_type
06:39<rr0d>gkrellm gives
06:39<rr0d>gkrellm: symbol lookup error: gkrellm: undefined symbol: gdk_x11_window_get_drawable_impl
06:39<ml|>is that happening for everything?
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06:40<rr0d>i get the first one for vmware and gparted
06:41<gsimmons>rr0d: Known issue with libglibmm-2.4-1c2a, reported in Debian bug #557742.
06:41<rr0d>i know
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06:41<beginner>reboot done
06:41<ml|>ah, that's would have being my next suggestion, check bts ;)
06:41<ml|>beginner: working?
06:41<beginner>but still vb is not working
06:42<beginner>though I have a new kernel now!
06:42<ml|>beginner: try reinstalling vbox
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06:42<beginner>from synaptic ?
06:43<ml|>if that is what you like to use sure
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06:44<beginner>should I remove all first or just do reinstallation?
06:44<beginner>stupid question
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06:49<gsimmons>rr0d: So downgrade libglibmm-2.4-1c2a ; /msg dpkg sdo
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06:55<rr0d>do i have to put in my sources.list?
06:55<mshindo_>hi, trying to create a deb package but we are running into problems in the domain of adding "extra" directories. We have 4 directories with contents that are created normally by a post make install script, these dont seem to be picked up by dpkg-buildpackage, and we need to include them in our package
06:55<mshindo_>any ideas as to how we can achieve this ?
06:56<linucks>we're only getting the usr/bin directory of course since that's all it can pick up from the make install
06:56<linucks>(re mshindo's question)
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06:57<beginner>I reinstalled the VB and now not only it is not working, but also modprobe vboxdrv is not recognized in consol!?
06:58<mshindo_>are you using sudo to modprobe ?
06:58<linucks>you need the kernel module for it to work, did it compile?
06:58<mshindo_>dont modprobe, use insmod
06:58<ml|>beginner: so you don have /etc/init.d/vboxdrv still?
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06:59<beginner>I changed to older kenel version
06:59<beginner>and reinstalled vb
06:59<beginner>but it is not working
07:00<beginner>FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
07:00<rr0d>gsimmons: do i have to put in my sources.list?
07:00<ml|>right, read what linucks said
07:00<linucks>updatedb && locate vboxdrv
07:01<linucks>if that fails run the virtual box install again, make sure your kernel headers are installed
07:01<gsimmons>rr0d: No, manually acquire the relevant package for your architecture and install via dpkg.
07:01<ml|>beginner: or you need to /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup but if that's still missing dunno
07:03<beginner>ml| I don't understan you dude, sorry but what do you mean by setup here?? I don't have vboxdrv file in /init.d directory!
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07:05<DebJay>okay, so I've been able to get module-assistant to automatically build all currently installed module source files against the linux headers for the currently running kernel... is there a way to get it to build against all installed linux headers?
07:05<ml|>beginner: /etc/ini.d/vboxdrv setup -- will start to build the needed modules for that kernel _only_
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07:05<beginner>bash: /etc/ini.d/vboxdrv: No such file or directory
07:06<ml|>again that is weird
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07:06<ml|>sorry typo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv
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07:10<beginner>there is no vboxdrv file! :(
07:11<ml|>did you remove/purge vbox before reinstalling? or just reinstalled?
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07:12<beginner>no I just reinstalled it , I didn't remove it first!
07:12<beginner>should I?
07:12<beginner>remove all?
07:13<ml|>well that something else to try, purge all vbox stuff a install everything fresh again, maybe something got messed up some how
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07:13<ansgar>ml|: Debian's virtualbox package does not contain a /etc/init.d/vboxdrv.
07:14<beginner>maybe , then what is the problem?
07:14<ml|>ansgar: oh, good to know
07:14<beginner>ml| what do you mean by purge? :)
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07:15<ml|>beginner: sorry I was just trying to help, I use package from vbox nevermind me and man aptitude
07:15<gsimmons>dpkg: tell beginner -about vbox-install lenny
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07:16<beginner>thanks ml|
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07:18<ml|>beginner: I should had stopped trying to help when you said virtualbox-ose
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07:19<beginner>no problem
07:19<beginner>any alternative for virtualbox?
07:20<ml|>did you read dpkg's message to you?
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07:22<ml|>I should switch to virtualbox-ose, since I have not used usb stuff
07:23<ml|>any other reason for using non ose version?
07:24<azeem_>ml|: if you hate free software
07:24<ml|>besides that ;)
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07:24<locklace>!congratulate bem
07:24<dpkg>Woohoo bem, you did it!
07:25<rr0d>gsimmons: downgrading libglibmm-2.4-1c2a from 2.22.1-2 to 2.18.1-1 gives me /usr/sbin/gpartedbin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/ undefined symbol: gtk_info_bar_get_type
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07:30<gsimmons>rr0d: Hooray. Let me try to reproduce it here, are you using Squeeze?
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07:40<rr0d>gsimmons: yes
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08:12<rzl>hello there people :)
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08:14<rzl>hello guys, i have an annoying problem with an usb bluetooth dongle
08:15<rzl>it works, but floods the dmesg with errors like
08:15<rzl>[104298.405701] hci_scodata_packet: hci0 SCO packet for unknown connection handle 92
08:15<rzl>assumed i can't rebuild the kernel, upgrade it and/or apply patches, i would like to prevent this kind of lines by flooding log files
08:16<rzl>but i don't know what kind of lines to add to rsyslogd.conf to achieve my goal
08:16<rzl>could anyone kindly help me ?
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08:33<azeem_>rzl: dmesg is not handled by syslog AFAIK
08:33<azeem_>I don't think there is much you can do here
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08:36<rzl>azeem_: it's rsyslogd
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08:36<rzl>azeem_: i've solvet temporary disabling all logs to /var/log/kern.log
08:37<azeem_>kern.log isn't dmesg
08:38<azeem_>maybe it helps to increase the severity threshold for kern.log; not sure what level that message is, maybe just NOTICE
08:39<dpkg>[printk] see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel)
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09:04<FedEx>hallo zusammen
09:04<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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09:06<peej>argh. I can't ping Clues?
09:06<azeem_>peej: setup /etc/hosts
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09:07<peej>azeem_, localhost is alread there in /etc/hosts
09:07<peej>as is
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09:07<FedEx2>hallo zusammen
09:07<azeem_>peej: then setup the loopback interface
09:08<azeem_>in /etc/network/interfaces
09:08<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
09:08<locklace>peej: paste the output of "ping", "ifconfig lo0" and "iptables -vL"
09:08<peej>azeem, that too is there
09:09<azeem_>then maybe it's your iptables; do what locklace said
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09:10<locklace>the existence or contents of /etc/hosts or any other nameservice should be entirely irrelevant when a destination is specified as an ip address
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09:10<locklace>peej: but use the -n option to ensure reverse name lookups aren't attempted
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09:16<peej>locklace, well done! I had a -P INPUT DROP which remained after I'd done an iptables -F. I didn't realize flush doesn't flush the policy.
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09:27<gsimmons>rr0d: I'm unable to reproduce #557742 on Squeeze. Apparently the reporter had conflicting libraries in /usr/local/lib (Inkscape question #87980) and didn't bother to provide a follow-up.
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09:39<mohan43u>I need to install torrent client now, please suggest the best one
09:39<babilen>mohan43u: rtorrent
09:40<dr|z3d>transmission also good.
09:40<mohan43u>babilen: ml|: thanks guys..
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09:42<peej>btorrent has a headless option, if by "best" you mean "no-gui needed"
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09:46<babilen>he did not say what "best" means ...
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09:50<ml|>true and you can run rtorrent in screen :)
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09:56<mohan43u_>got disconnected.. any userful discussion going about torrent clients??
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09:58<ml|>mohan43u_: dunno look ...
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10:04<mohan43u_>ml|: thanks..
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10:05<s4br3>Hi, just bought an easycap dc60 usb video capture gadget, which has kernel support since 2.6.30. I have 2.6.32. The gadget is aslo seen by dmesg and lsusb. However, I don't know which app lets me capture the signal from my VHS to my HD. Any hints?
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10:08<Nemoder>s4br3: can you view it with vlc?
10:08<ml|>btw, can't wait for rtorrent to handle magnet links
10:08<rr0d>gsimmons: thanks for your help... hmm, what should i do?
10:09<s4br3>Nemoder: VLC is unable to open the MRL 'v4l2://'. Check the log for details.
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10:11<gsimmons>rr0d: Provide the output of "ldd /usr/sbin/gpartedbin" at a paste site ; /msg dpkg paste
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10:11<Nemoder>s4br3: what is the capture device set to in vlc's settings?
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10:11<s4br3>Video for Liux 2
10:12<Nemoder>s4br3: the device name might need to be set to something like /dev/video0
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10:12<Nemoder>see if dmesg says which device it is
10:12<s4br3>Yes, IIRC, it is video0
10:13<rr0d>gsimmons: and ldconfig
10:14<s4br3>Hmmm... VLC is unable to open the MRL 'v4l2:///dev/video0'. Check the log for details.
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10:17<s4br3>dmesg | grep video0 gives "[ 8.420070] em28xx #0: V4L2 video device registered as /dev/video0"
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10:17<Nemoder>s4br3: run vlc from a terminal and check the output there
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10:18<s4br3>Hhmmm. Thinking of it, is the output from the VHS really the correct format? I have used a SCART to a triple caple (yellow/white/red)
10:21<s4br3>which is the input to the dongle
10:21<Nemoder>s4br3: shouldn't matter, worst case is you'ld get static but you should still be able to open a stream
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10:21<gsimmons>rr0d: You have the very same issue (lines 9, 12, 28, 30 in your first paste). Move/remove these from /usr/local/lib, run ldconfig and start gparted.
10:21<s4br3>I have never run vlc from a console only before. cvlc /dev/video0 ?
10:21<Nemoder>just type vlc in a terminal
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10:21<s4br3>ok, and just watch the log there?
10:21<s4br3>ok, "v4l2 demux error: cannot set input (Invalid argument)"
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10:23<s4br3>One of the messages from dmesg is "em28xx #0: Your board has no unique USB ID and thus need a hint to be detected. You may try to use card=<n> insmod option to workaround that."
10:23<s4br3>and "card=64 -> Easy Cap Capture DC-60"
10:24<s4br3>But, how would I insmod this card?!
10:24<gsimmons>rr0d: Oh, and upgrade to libglibmm-2.4-1c2a as currently available in testing.
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10:29<bighornram>I have this bug "" and have filed bug reports in debian and bugzilla. I recently installed Ubuntu on another machine and it doesn't get this error. Any advice to work around this or fix it would be greatly appreciated.
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11:12<rr0d>gsimmons: it worked thank you very much :D
11:13<rpalma>someone speaks in Portuguese ?
11:13<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:55<junior>pessoal boa tarde
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11:56<tickbrown>eu preciso montar uma partição ext4
11:56<tickbrown>então, adicionei os repositórios do squeeze e atualizei apenas o e2fsprogs (eu compilei o kernel)
11:56<xxploit>hello, would somehow be able to help me with getting oss4 setup via module assistant. ive installed oss4-base/oss4-source but im unsure how i build it with m-a.
11:57<tickbrown>entretanto, quando eu dou boot na máquina, esta me diz que não encontrou o fsck e ele está instalado
11:57<tickbrown>e por isso não checa os sistemas
11:57<tickbrown>o que eu devo fazer?
11:57<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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11:59<tickbrown>people, my fsck is no more present in my system
11:59<tickbrown>I've upgrade my e2fsprogs
12:00<tickbrown>to squeeze's version
12:00<tickbrown>and my system can't find it
12:01<tickbrown>what should I do?
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12:03<azeem>tickbrown: use e2fsck
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12:03<babilen>tickbrown: 'dpkg -L | grep bin' - which filesystem do you want to fsck? There are various binaries. Have a look at 'man e2fsck'
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12:04<tickbrown>I need for ext3 and ext4
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12:05<viilips>hi, i Have a question to someone who understands debian a little .. i installed debian on my virtualbox and it came with graphical interface. how should i install on my old computer without GUI? i want it to be ftp/fileserver/mailserver
12:05<azeem>tickbrown: those get serviced by e2fsck as well
12:05<babilen>tickbrown: there are fsck.ext{3,4} - but look at e2fsck
12:06<tickbrown>yes, there are all of them
12:06<tickbrown>but my system says to me they aren't there
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12:06<babilen>viilips: Use the netinstall image and do not install the 'Desktop' task or anything like that
12:06<tickbrown>I'll try make a link of /usr/sbin/fsck to /sbin/e2fsck
12:07<babilen>tickbrown: why?
12:07<viilips>netistall is *.iso which i can download from deabian site?
12:07<babilen>viilips: yes
12:07<babilen>!tell viilips -about netinstall
12:07<tickbrown>because I don't have just a 'fsck'
12:07<azeem>so install it
12:07<tickbrown>e2fsprogs is intalled >.<
12:07<viilips>ok, i will look for it. also thenk you for private message
12:07<azeem>e2fsprogs no longer ships it
12:08<azeem>it's in util-linux now
12:08<viilips>*babilen, thank you
12:08<tickbrown>I'll try! Just a moment!
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12:08<pkrzywicki>Happy new year to all of you
12:08<babilen>tickbrown: util-linux is essential. It should be installed already.
12:09<azeem>not in the right version maybe
12:10<tickbrown>babilen, it's installed, but is the 'ancient' version
12:10<babilen>tickbrown: as in 2.13 ?
12:11<tickbrown>babilen, I'll upgrade it to 2.16.2-0
12:11<babilen>tickbrown: You use lenny, don't you?
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12:11<babilen>judd: versions util-linux
12:11<judd>babilen: util-linux -- etch: 2.12r-19etch1 etch-security: 2.12r-19etch1 lenny: sid: 2.16.2-0 squeeze: 2.16.2-0
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12:12<tickbrown>babilen, but I need to upgrade to squeeze
12:12<babilen>tickbrown: Why can't you just use e2fsck?
12:12<azeem>if you use lenny, fsck would be shipped by e2fsprogs
12:12<babilen>tickbrown: Why do you need to do so?
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12:13<tickbrown>azeem, I'm upgrading it
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12:14<babilen>is there something rmadison like for 'apt-file' ?
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12:29<tickbrown>azeem, thanks
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12:29<tickbrown>I found it now!
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12:30<tickbrown>azeem, I'll restart my system to be sure that everything is fine
12:30<tickbrown>azeem, bye
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12:30<apesle> /help
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12:32<peej>lighttpd default install for squeeze gives me an "unable to connect message" when I try to connect to the web root. Port 80 simply isn't available with lighttpd running. nc -l -p 80 does allow me to to send via port 80. It looks like lighty doesn't work. Suggestions for narrowing it down?
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12:35<apesle>is lighttpd alowed to access to port 80 ? ports from 1 to 1024 requires root permission i remember
12:35<peej>oh. It seems to need ipv6...
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12:36<christoph>hm emacs/wanderlust/summary buffer colors some text when " is used in mail titles which is rather confusing. any idea how to turn that of
12:37<babilen>peej: #560837 ... you might want to set net.ipv6.bindv6only to 0
12:38<christoph>and can't find any documented way to close the message buffer after being opened from summary buffer
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12:39<babilen>peej: although that is not the best fix ... the problem is that lighttpd is buggy and needs to be fixed. I don't know how hard that might be though
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12:40<peej>babilen, yup, I think that's nailed it.
12:40<peej>alternative lightweight webservers?
12:41<christoph>ha! second problem solved still silly coloring in the summary buffer
12:42<dr|z3d>peej: thttpd, thin, weborf.. some examples.
12:43<babilen>peej: yaws? thttpd? thin?
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12:46<babilen>although I am not sure how lightweight you consider yaws to be .. It's a great webserver nonetheless
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12:46<babilen>peej: "python -m SimpleHTTPServer" ;-)
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12:47<babilen>^^^^ will serve all files in cwd
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12:49<peej>I want cgi support, lightweightness, and no perl, python, ruby dependency. lighttpd had that. thttpd looks good.
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12:52<dr|z3d>There's also the Firefox addon POW (plain old webserver), fwiw.
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12:55<peej>weborf looks good too. The rest aren't really lightweight enough.
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12:55<babilen>peej: take your pick. It's great to have options.
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13:01<peej>a bit annoying having to move from webservers though. I started with thy (the "beautiful" webserver) which never made it beyond sarge. I migrated to using lighttpd with etch. Then migrated the app to lenny, while wrestling lighttpd into shape. Now prepping for squeeze, and figuring out if I should jump webserver or wrestle some more. Playtime ;-)
13:02<azeem>squeeze isn't released yet
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13:02<peej>monkey looks good too
13:02<dr|z3d>Personally I'd go with apache; it's not as bloated as one might imagine.
13:02<babilen>peej: and the ipv6only related bugs are getting a lot of attention
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13:03<peej>azeem, yeah, but I'd like to move ahead a little.
13:03<azeem>just saying, it's a very recent issue; I am pretty certain it will be fixed by release
13:04<babilen>peej: you could just set ipv6only to 0 and wait until that bug is fixed
13:05<peej>I may well do that.
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13:08<viilips>a little question about xchat it self: how can i disable join/quit messages?
13:09<dkr>viilips: you check the box in preferences that says "disable joing/quit messages" :)
13:10<cahoot>IIRC it's conference mode or such
13:11<abrotman>viilips: right click on the channel tab and choose to hide it
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13:11<viilips>dkr, i been looking for it everywhere on perferences but wihout any succsesfull results
13:11<viilips>abortman, thank you. these messages were really disturbing for me :)
13:11<dkr>viilips: ah, yeah, sorry, abrotman got it right. actually there is another way to do it which I used. advanced//edit text events and blanking out the fields for join/hide/part
13:12<viilips>dkr, haha, thank you :)
13:12<dkr>to do it globally, instead of per channel
13:12<viilips>ok, ok I'll try your version also :)
13:12<viilips>thank you, dkr
13:13<abrotman>i think you can put it in your xchat conf to do it globally
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13:16<viilips>how long it toke for you guys to learn debian administration in novice level?
13:16<viilips>i ment advenced level, sorry
13:16<viilips>i been reading e-books for a while for now and this debian field doesnt look like child play :)
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13:19<peej>viilips, advanced? sheesh, I've been at it for a zillion years now and I still think I'm a not-particularly-good medium level guy.
13:19<abrotman>zillion ?
13:19<abrotman>peej: would you be a good low level guy? :)
13:19<viilips>as i said before - i want to install a fileserver/ftp server and a mail server on my old P4 machine. now im leraning about it on sun virtualbox: which fields should i check and uncheck at software selection at installation for my case?
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13:20<viilips>peej, what do you administrate on you debian distribution?
13:20<peej>abrotman, well, I guess I'm neither low, nor high. medium is right.
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13:21<abrotman>it was a joke ..
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13:24<viilips>i understand i have to check "file server" and "mail server" but im not sure about "standart system" ?
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13:24<viilips>will ftp work on "file server's" software?
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13:24<viilips>i'm sorry for my english, if i made anything unclear just let me know, ill try to explain myself
13:24<jarlaxe>Hi there ! Grub2 stucked after a dist-upgrade on a sid, installed on a SDcard running on a eeepc 1000he. Emergency running with a live ubuntu. Grub2 ask about the 'symbole' "grub_puts". I already tryed to reinstall grub by a chroot, no effect ... any idea ?
13:25<peej>viilips, the basics are actually easy and the same across unixen I'd say (I mean, come on, it's hardly command line stuff anymore, it's much more point-and-drool nowadays). It's the wisdom that comes with experience that lets you do a superduper set up compared with a decent set up in the more custom cases. IMHO, FWIW etc.
13:25<abrotman>viilips: you can skip that part and install individual packages later
13:25<dpkg>it has been said that tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>.
13:27<viilips>peej, what do you mean by basic? basic like following instructions on internet or basic as you can do something without any tutorials?
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13:27<peej>viilips, what I do is install minimal stuff, (not even standard system). Then add only what I need. But I think if you are a bit new, then just go for standard stuff because, um, it is standard these days ;-)
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13:27<viilips>abortman, should i leave "standart system" unchecked also?
13:27<abrotman>check standard .. leave yourself with just a basic CLI system .. figure it out from there
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13:29<peej>viilips, basic: by that I mean following tutorials and recipes on the net. The trouble with that is that there can be a lot of crap out there too. Which is why a sort of peer-reviewed site like is pretty good as people discuss the articles. (plus the site owner who runs it and who wrote much of the stuff there is pretty good too).
13:30<abrotman>!tell viilips about grounding
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13:30<abrotman>!tell viilips about reference
13:31<viilips>peej, im not "bit new" im completely new to linux itself. the windows got kinda booring for me so now i'm trying to understand how to do something on debian distribution. for now its a big puzzle for me :)
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13:32<viilips>peej, thank you for the link, it will be useful for me
13:32<peej>viilips, I'll say this though, if you install a minimal system, and break it, you learn a lot more. No pain, no gain ;-). Another way of learning the principles is doing a linux-from-scratch installation.
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13:34<viilips>abortamn, thank you for grounding and reference, i understood
13:34<viilips>peej, how is that doing a linux from scratch installation?
13:34<viilips>installing corrupted linux version?
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13:36<peej>well, its value is in learning how you build a system from source and how linux bootstraps itself, imho. It's hard compared with installing packaged distros.
13:37<xover>guys i have installed KDE but X is still booting to GDM even though i have removed it
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13:38<dr|z3d>xover: You sound confused.
13:38<dr|z3d>You mean GDM isn't booting KDE?
13:38<xover>sure am
13:38<dr|z3d>Try editing your session in GDM.
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13:38<viilips>peej, that sounds reasonable, but i'll leave it for somewhere in future .. till now i have to learn the basics :)
13:38<xover>Sorry, I have installed KDM and removed GDM and yet gnome still loads
13:39<dr|z3d>xover: Try editing your (default) session in KDM, then.
13:40<xover>what do you mean in KDM?
13:40<dr|z3d>If KDM's anything like GDM, then you should have an option to select your session.
13:41<xover>ive spun out i think.
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13:42<xover>I can use gdm to lanch a different desktop environment right?
13:42<xover>I dont need kdm for kde do I
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13:43<dr|z3d>Nope, you can happily use GDM. Or Slim.
13:43<xover>I was being an El wally
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13:46<xover>thanks man
13:47<dr|z3d>Once you select a different session in GDM, it should prompt you to set that as default/session only.
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13:59<goodger>OK, so random crashes are now worsening to the point of water torture
13:59<viilips>peej, i just visited last link you gave me. i take my word back, building linux from "scratch" sounds good idea, but still i want to make at least fileserver on debian to get those minimal knowlage about how linux works
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14:01<abrotman>viilips: so what questions do you have?
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14:05<viilips>abortman, i dont have any questions at the moment :)
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14:06<goodger>yes, abrotman, help me find a psychiatrist to deal with the stress caused by these crashes instead /o/
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14:06<abrotman>goodger: stop using unstable? :)
14:06<goodger>I'm not using unstable
14:06<abrotman>goodger: hardware failing ?
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14:07<goodger>memtest says no errors
14:08<abrotman>doesn't have to be RAM
14:09<goodger>what other type of hardware can fail such that it causes random segmentation faults, random resets of the sound server, random kernel panics and random unrecoverable post-panic "total-and-completely-fucked-my-friend" crashes? :/
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14:10<peej>goodger: smps or motherboard
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14:10<goodger>peej: and the test for these?
14:11<abrotman>goodger: CPU? HDD controller? bridge? PSU? lots of things
14:11<peej>goodger, check both for blown capacitors by eyeballing, or with a multimeter (most common cause). Don't open the smps though unless you are ok with dying.
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14:11<abrotman>DO IT!
14:12<peej>no, no, don't, it isn't that bad a year yet!
14:12<valdyn>goodger: memtest86
14:12<goodger>valdyn: run it already, returns clean
14:12<valdyn>goodger: look at fans working or not, even the psu fan
14:12<peej>goodger, oh, yeah, check the fans (smps, cpu) are both ok.
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14:13<goodger>so far as I know it only has two fans :/
14:13<goodger>the case fan works, I can hear it spinning up and down all night
14:13<valdyn>goodger: run sensors to see heat
14:13<valdyn>goodger: open case to reduce heat
14:14<peej>goodger, does the problem get worse after the system has warmed up? Does it get worse under stress? Certain times of day? When you're doing your laundry or running the heater?
14:14<valdyn>goodger: heat sensitivity may increase as hardware ages
14:14<goodger>I don't think it will continue to work if I open the case, it's got lots of ribbon cables running everywhere that have to be disconnected in order to remove the keyboard half from the motherboard half..
14:14<valdyn>goodger: and/or more dust collects
14:15<valdyn>goodger: a laptop?
14:15<goodger>I shall disassemble it to the maximum feasible extent and check for dust, however
14:15<goodger>valdyn: yes
14:15<valdyn>goodger: ibm?
14:15<goodger>valdyn: yes
14:15<peej>huh, what is this, twenty questions?
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14:15<goodger>peej: yes
14:15<valdyn>goodger: theres only 4 screws to open to take out the keyboard
14:16<goodger>when I say the keyboard half I mean the top half of the casing
14:16<valdyn>goodger: and I do hotplug it without problems
14:16<abrotman>goodger: while the fan is turning on, it may not be working at full capacity? or perhaps the CPU/sink have become less adhesive?
14:17<valdyn>goodger: i dont think dust is a huge problem with that type of laptop
14:17<peej>well, if you bang hard at the keys, the mobo can flex too. Try seeing if it fails when you press hard on the mobo
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14:18<valdyn>you can stop the fan but pressing the case left side below keyboard ;)
14:18*goodger presses hard on the keyboard
14:18<peej>humidity may be a factor too. Try immersing it under water and seeing if it fails then.
14:19<goodger>ah, I've just been informed that some "food" is "ready", i.e. has reached optimum temperature in the oven
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14:19<valdyn>goodger: sensors can break old ibm at least physically, dont use
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14:37<peej>is squeeze parallelizing the launch of daemons in init.d or is it still the traditional sequence?
14:37<valdyn>peej: optionally yes
14:37<valdyn>peej: not by default
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14:38<peej>where's that set?
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14:41<xover>hi i am trying to test out remote X, but cant get it to work, i have set xconfig to port 177 and added * to Xaccess file
14:41<valdyn>peej: /etc/default/rcS
14:41<xover>I am still receiving the cannot open display error after exporting my display and adding my host to xhost +
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14:42<valdyn>peej: read the docs to the insserv package
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14:45<Ignaz>hi, all
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14:49<peej>valdyn, thanks. Turns out innserv was not installed so that parallel running was not the problem.
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14:54<tampered>hi, is it normal for a server running debian 5.0.3 caches 97% memory
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14:58<abrotman>!free ram
14:58<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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15:00<tampered>i have got 4 gigs on the server
15:00<tampered>no mysql nothing
15:00<tampered>only apache running
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15:00<tampered>serving no websites
15:00<valdyn>tampered: so?
15:00<valdyn>tampered: whats not clear about what dpkg said?
15:00<tampered>so when i type command, slow response
15:01<tampered>ahh now i understand
15:01<tampered>i downloaded about 8 gbs of iso earlier
15:01<tampered>tahts why
15:01<valdyn>tampered: yes
15:01<tampered>continious download
15:02<dpkg>After hibernation, you can load back into memory as much as possible from swap and also load files back into the kernel's file cache to help reduce the disk thrashing that occurs when waking up after suspend-to-disk (although this doesn't seem to be needed with the kernels in lenny onwards): cat `cat /proc/[0-9]*/maps | grep / | sed 's:.* /:/:' | grep -v /dev | sort -u` > /dev/null
15:03<dpkg>[disk] that which stores Debian, its packages, your resume, and other junk. ;)
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15:11<viilips>hi again, i'm having unexpected problems with installing ssh on my new debian server
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15:12<wachbirn>hello..does anybody know an irc-address for debian desktop issues?
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15:12<viilips>when i'm writing "$ sudo apt-get install ssh" the server says "-bash: $: command not found
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15:12<azeem>wachbirn: this one, for example
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15:12<wachbirn>thanks..i thought it is only for servers
15:13<abrotman>viilips: so use 'su', become root, and type aptitude install openssh-server
15:14<abrotman>viilips: if you haven't installed/configured sudo, what you had typed will not work
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15:14<xover>how do i get rid of this error?
15:14<xover>xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
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15:16<bricktop>hi! currently i experience serious problems when booting. booting stop on "Setting sensor limits" after that some network link notification gets show (further ones when i plug in/out the lan cable). it doesn't freeze (i can switch between ctrl+alt+f*, but their not yet active). i also can't ctrl+c it away.i just can reboot but when i get a fsck and a ro maintainance cons... WOW after 12th restart it booted!!! :D ... now apt-get uninstall lm-s
15:21<abrotman>xover: are you trying to do that as root ?
15:21<viilips>abortman, what is the difference between "install ssh" and "install openssh-server" ?
15:21<xover>no as a regular user
15:21<abrotman>viilips: one is a package, the other isn't ?
15:21<xover>so on the local machine I ran xhost+ remotehost, then on the remote host I exported the display and ran xterm, and it fails
15:22<viilips>i'm following these instructions: .. are those instructions ment only for ubuntu server?
15:22<xover>I have removed --nolisten from the /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc file
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15:23<jmarsden>viilips: Yes. sudo is enabled by default in Ubuntu and not (by default) in Debian.
15:23<jmarsden>viilips: Following instructions you do not understand for an OS you are not actually running is a recipe for disaster.
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15:27<xover>any ideas how i can fix it mate?
15:27<viilips>abrotman, thank you, you made clear another thing for me and im really thankfull for that. jmarsden, i dont have any other options then following recepies on debian
15:28<abrotman>viilips: please do not follow instructions for ubuntu .. they're not helpful to you
15:29<viilips>i understand now. i didnt thought there is any difference between comands on debian-ubuntu and debian distributions
15:29<kop>xover: Are you attempting to tunnel X via ssh? In any case you should probably type "echo $DISPLAY" and see if there's really a value there.
15:29<viilips>btw, is ubuntu server any good ir is it better to learn debian servers administration?
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15:29<xover>No mate, I am trying to do it the old fashioned way for learning reasons, but its not playing ball.
15:29<kop>viilips: There are, or can be, subtle differences due to version differernces, different default configs, etc.
15:30<xover>I have my value its there.
15:30<peej>I want to run something whenever a process exists. Like inotfiy does for files. Suggestions?
15:30<kop>xover: Can you cut and paste the 2 terminal sessions that you use to setup (including output) into a pastebin? (You know about pastebin?)
15:30<xover>echo $DISPLAY deb:0.0
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15:31<kop>xover: I always use xeyes to test, fwiw.
15:31<peej>Just realized I can do it with /var/run/ (it's a daemon) and incrontab. The pid may be a leftover, but I can check for that.
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15:32<xover>kop: on the host, do i need to log into an X session to use my xhost command?
15:32<kop>xover: There's less to go wrong with the app with xeyes.
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15:33<peej>xeyes keeps you company too on those late nights when you're hacking away.
15:33<kop>xover: xhost should be on the server (the machine with keyboard, mouse, and display). I presume you've already X running there because you're sitting in front of it, yes?
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15:34<xover>its vmware, but ok yes
15:36<jmarsden>viilips: Sure you do. Ask in #debian a clear question such as "How do I install openssh server?" would be an option, for example.
15:36<xover>so i logged into the host, ran my xhost +remotecomputer
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15:36<xover>then exported my display to the server, then ran my command
15:36<xover>is there an error log kop?
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15:37<kop>xover: The xterm app probably reports to stderr.
15:38<kop>xover: When you say you logged onto the host, arn't you already logged onto the host because you're sitting in front of it?
15:38<xover>yes your right
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15:39<xover>i have a vm that I added the computer i am using to connect
15:39<kop>xover: There might be something in the X log (in /var/log) on the server.
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15:39<kop>xover: Can you ping?
15:39<xover>yes i ssh from the host to the machine i am on
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15:40<xover>is this correct? export DISPLAY=host:0
15:40<kop>xover: Should work.
15:40<xover>Is there a security measure that i need to override?
15:41<xover>I removed -nolisten from the /etc/X11/xdm/xserverrc file
15:41<kop>xover: Did you restart X after telling it it's ok to listen?
15:41<xover>is that all i need to do
15:41<xover>what is the command for it to listen?
15:41<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to sort the lines of a file so that lines beginning "1 2" come before any beginning "12"?
15:42<kop>xover: I assume the nolisten. (I always do this sort of thing via an ssh tunnel, unless I'm doing xdm/thin client sort of stuff.)
15:42<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: Look for a "natural sort" app.
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15:42<kop>EmleyMoor: Won't sort do that if you don't use -n?
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15:42<xover>when i use SSH I dont have to do anything except for ssh -X server
15:42<xover>thats all i have to do
15:43<EmleyMoor>kop: No - it puts e.g. "1242" before "1 3"
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15:43<dr|z3d>libsort-naturally-perl seems to promise something..
15:43*EmleyMoor looks
15:43<kop>EmleyMoor: You need to tell it to use the right column numbers to determine what fields are what, I'd say.
15:44<kop>xover: You can use -L instead and roll your own ports. That tends to be instructive and you need to export DISPLAY etc then also.
15:44<jmarsden>EmleyMoor: sort -n should put 1 3 before 1234.
15:44<kop>xover: It removes network connectivity/listen issues from the picture.
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15:45<kop>EmleyMoor, jmarsden : Oops, looks like I got -n backwards.
15:46<jmarsden>kop: That's what I thought, but I had to test here to make sure before I said anything :)
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15:46<kop>xover: Using -L with localhost means that you don't have to do an xhost either.
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15:46<EmleyMoor>kop: -n or not makes no significant difference to the result
15:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 367] by debhelper
15:47<kop>EmleyMoor: What's the statement?
15:47<kop>xover: (Because localhost is already authorized.)
15:47<EmleyMoor>Ideally I need to sort the lines in the file by the first field - space delimited
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15:48<kop>EmleyMoor: If it's space delimited, how can you have a space in the data?
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15:48<goodger>typically one escapes them or encloses data with quotes
15:49<EmleyMoor>First field can be a number of any length... as can second - third and fourth must be 4 digit if present... 5th can be up to 6
15:50<EmleyMoor>1 35623 0600 1759 12345 would be a valid example
15:50<EmleyMoor>(441 0 1800 0559 06 is another)
15:50<kop>EmleyMoor: Ok. But why are you worried about sorting "1 2" before "12" if "1 2" can never occur as the first data element?
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15:51<jmarsden>EmleyMoor: echo -e "1234 5\n1 3\n2 4\n" |sort # and echo -e "1234 5\n1 3\n2 4\n" |sort -n produce very different results here...
15:51<EmleyMoor>12 3 is getting before 1 23 which is not what I want
15:51<goodger>hmm... is there any way to get apt-file to show you a list of files on the system that were _not_ produced by a package or its configuration system?
15:51<goodger>or some sort of integrity checker...
15:52<kop>goodger: use find to find everything, apt-file to list everything known, and join to remove the 2nd from the first?
15:52<dr|z3d>goodger: synaptic's pretty good for that.
15:52<dr|z3d>(local install/obsolete section)
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15:52<kop>goodger: or debsum everything?
15:53<goodger>debsum's the one I wanted
15:54<goodger>synaptic's local/obsolete view only shows packages rather than files
15:54<EmleyMoor>jmarsden: without -n is closer to what I want - but it is ignoring spaces when I want it not to
15:54<kop>EmleyMoor: You're having trouble telling sort what data to sort by. Note that sort does something unexpected and takes everything to the end of the line depending on how you specifiy the sort keys. You need to read the man page carefully.
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15:54<kop>EmleyMoor: Your sort keys are not what you think they are.
15:55<jmarsden>EmleyMoor: Perhaps you need to first write a script that converts your data into something that is comma delimited so you *know* where the fields start and end, and then sort that?
15:55<kleanchap>Is there an official Debian on Twitter?
15:56<EmleyMoor>Ah, got it
15:56<EmleyMoor>sort -t " " -k 1,1
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15:57<xover>Kop, I can forward X with SSH, i just have to enable the Xforwarding setting, i dont need to export the display though.
15:57<valdyn>kleanchap: debian has no PR department
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15:57<EmleyMoor>(useful side-effect - all the comments have risen to the top)
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16:10<EmleyMoor>One of my favourite pieces of open source software is now ten years old
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16:11<xover>Kop, I cant get this working without ssh, seems there is something stopping it
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16:18<viilips>does anyone knows good tutorials how to configure SSH? it seems i cant access any files to configure them, even from root profile debian answers i dont have any permisions to access them
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16:18<valdyn>viilips: ssh is not involved when root cant do something
16:19<viilips>so i'm giving wrong comands then?
16:19<valdyn>viilips: how would I know what you did?
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16:20<viilips>sorry, after installation i wrote "/etc/ssh/ssh_config" i tried to follow these instructions:
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16:20<xover>Kop what is the display flag?
16:20<valdyn>viilips: /etc/ssh/ssh_config is not an executable
16:21<valdyn>viilips: and dont edit ssh_config before you are a little more aware of what youre doing
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16:21<viilips>I keep in mind that. thank you. so i dont have to configure ssh at all to access my server from other computer at my network?
16:21<valdyn>viilips: right
16:22<viilips>im trying to set up a little file server at home to understand how these things work
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16:22<valdyn>viilips: if ssh is installed its ready to be used, no configuration needed
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16:23<viilips>thank you, then i'll just jump to next step -> installing samba
16:24<viilips>but if were at it, may i ask when configuring ssh is needed?
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16:24<valdyn>viilips: when you want to run graphical programs on the server while displaying them on the client
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16:24<valdyn>viilips: or if you want to change authentication methods
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16:25<valdyn>viilips: alot more things could be configured, you wont ever need most of those
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16:25<viilips>so its pointless doing that on server without GUI if authentication seems to work just fine?
16:26<valdyn>viilips: if you have to ask, yes
16:26<viilips>ok, now its clear for me, thank you
16:26<mercutio22>Hi. I just plugged a SD card into a Debian machine an a gthumb window popped up. Now nothing happens when I click the import button
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16:49<insigne>qual o intuito deste chat?
16:50<insigne>entrei por curiosidade
16:50<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:00<blago>Hello. Does anyone know how I can fix my sound? There is stuttering when I play songs. KDE here.
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17:02<Soubi>Hi all !
17:02<Soubi>I've a little problem with a bash script ...
17:02<Soubi>Someone can may be help me ?
17:02<wnd>that's not exactly the topic on #debian but go ahead
17:04<Soubi>So ...
17:04<Soubi>I've a loop to check if A is less than or equat F
17:04<Soubi>But xterm returns "let: not found"
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17:06<wnd>which shell are you using?
17:09<wnd>where does /bin/sh point to? readlink /bin/sh
17:10<Soubi>lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 4 2009-12-26 17:09 /bin/sh -> dash
17:10<Soubi>It's that you wait ?
17:10<wnd>if you want to use "let", you should probably use bash instead
17:11<Soubi>What will you mean ?
17:11<wnd>try replacing "#! /bin/sh" with "#! /bin/bash"
17:11<Soubi>I try ..
17:12<wnd>I suppose you're running that in a script
17:12<Soubi>A vaut : 47
17:12<Soubi>B vaut : -86
17:12<Soubi>Ok, thanks !
17:12<Soubi>It's working ..
17:12<wnd>sure, no problem
17:12<Soubi>Why let doesn't work with sh ?
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17:13<wnd>"let" is bashism and not vanilla bourne-shell
17:13<Soubi>Ok .. thanks for explication =)
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17:22<sanduz2>question: why does debian not use python 2.6 in any of the versions at all?
17:23<jmarsden>sanduz2: python2.6 is in experimental.
17:24<jmarsden>sanduz2: See
17:24<jmarsden>It is not yet in unstable, apparently because of issues with that transition, both technical and political.
17:25<sanduz2>jeeze, political? :(
17:25<sanduz2>thanks guys, hopefully theyll put it in soon. python 2.6 is way too old to be stuck in experimental
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17:26<Necrocter>TEAM PlanB
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17:28<sanduz2>curious, what are the political problems?
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17:30<jmarsden>sanduz2: You'd probably need to read the debian-python mailing list archives for that, I don't know the specifics.
17:31<babilen>sanduz2: But progress has been made and I would expect python 2.6 to appear soon. Another problem is the removal of python 2.4
17:31<User_007>who uses Squeeze (AMD64), noticed a big update today? (About 600 MB, essential files,)
17:32<sanduz2>awesome, thanks guys. ill be reading tht link. sounds juicy
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17:38<sanduz2>cool so it looks like some progress will be made, glad to hear it. see you all later, thanks again
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17:39<User_007>who uses Squeeze (AMD64), noticed a big update today? (About 600 MB, essential files,). I had some bugs, and i think it must be a bug too..
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17:42<abrotman>User_007: stop repeating
17:43<abrotman>User_007: ask a real question
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17:45<User_007>How can i know what are the new upgrades, and know if the new upgrades that my computer shows are real?
17:45<User_007>im asking for the Squeeze users if they get an upgrade of about 600 MB today
17:46<User_007>if not, i have to fix a bug on my PC.
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17:49<babilen>User_007: i have not
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17:52<abrotman>or you haven't updated in ages .. or your mirror was stale
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17:55<goodger>well, I found the problem
17:55<goodger>specifically I decided to re-run memtest86+ while the system was hot
17:55<goodger>previously it had come back clean
17:56<goodger>this time around I rebooted after ten minutes, and it had found 782 errors
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17:57<ml|>so I want to use virtualbox-ose over the puel version, so I purged puel version modprode -r vbox*, then updated and installed virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-source and dkms; everything installs fine dkms builds the needed modules, tried to add a user to vboxusers group but get an error that there is no vboxusers group, getent group does not display vboxusers; ok so I reboot tho that's not needed from what I read, still same thing and no virtualb
17:58<babilen>ml|: create the group manually?
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18:02<ml|>babilen: well one could that but that should be done no? atleast from what I've read and no did not try that
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18:03<ml|>I forgot to mention I did try with module-assistant also
18:03<babilen>ml|: I don't use virtualbox-ose, but kvm. But if you need that group just create it. I wonder why that has not been taken care of by the package install scripts though
18:04<goodger>what exactly does "dirty RAM" mean?
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18:06<ml|>babilen: I will try creating that group, I even looked at bts and see nothing that applies here
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18:07<babilen>ml|: Take a look at the README.Debian of virtualbox-ose too
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18:10<traumaqueen>HELP HELP!!! I am on running on the live cd. ubuntu is installed in my pc, and I am in gparted.. i have 6 gigs of unallocated space that I want to put with the partition that my system is on
18:10<ml|>ok, forgot about that, but I did read the wiki and some stuff from vbox forums; I have a feeling it might be related to me using the puel version before, but how dunno
18:10<traumaqueen> that way its 2 g of swap space, and the rest isa separate partition
18:10<goodger>traumaqueen: running on the live cd of what?
18:11<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:11*goodger 's finger hovers over the !ubuntu hotkey
18:11<goodger>ah, beaten to it
18:11<traumaqueen>oh of ubuntu
18:12<babilen>traumaqueen: #ubuntu @ freenode
18:12<traumaqueen>i tried but NO one was very helpful
18:12<Ganneff>traumaqueen: so if we arent helpful, you join a windows channel?
18:12<traumaqueen>Ok.. thanks for helping. the issue wasnt necessarily ubuntu. it was the issue of partitioning that got me lost.
18:12<traumaqueen> thanks anyhow.
18:12<babilen>traumaqueen: You will get support in here if you install Debian. You are welcome to do so.
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18:48<Guest375>alguna hermosa dama que use "debian"
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18:51<Guest375>este asunto es solo para hablar de debian ????
18:51<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:53<Guest375>quien puede responderme????????????? esto es solo para debian
18:54<babilen>Guest375: Please speak English in here
18:55<jmarsden>Guest375: Yes, this channel is only for Debian support. In English. /join #debian-es for Debian support in Spanish.
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18:57<kurumin>no problem
18:57<Guest375>I will lieve..........I want to talk with ladies for love and somethig like that
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18:58<kurumin>i going
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19:08<fnmueller>how do I install thinkfinger in debian lenny? I read about experimental, but it seems the package was removed from there. I can't find it. I would compile it myself, but I don't now how to install the PAM Header files. I looked for the package but didn't find it
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19:18<rex>how come when i click a link in Pidgin, Iceweasel says 'Firefox is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system.' (debian 5.03 - linux 2.6.26-2-686)
19:19<rex>instead of opening the link
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19:46<seandidi>I cant say enough good things about mythtv but...
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19:46<Schuyler>hi folks
19:46<seandidi>i have been without video and music on my remote front end for over a year
19:46<Schuyler>I just ran apt-get upgrade on my webserver
19:46<seandidi>cant figure out smb shares to my backend
19:47<Schuyler>mysql-server 5.0.51 failed to install... thinks mysql is already running, but it's not
19:47<Schuyler>suggestions? it's b0rking my entire upgrade
19:47<Schuyler>I did a bug tracker search, no solutions posted yet
19:47<Schuyler>anyone seen anything like this?
19:47<seandidi>at one time i'd actually copy the video's and music to both /var/lib/mythtv/music directories
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19:59<sprockets>anyone know if there is an updated version of
19:59<sprockets>its out of date
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19:59<sprockets>I want to combine a wired and wireless internet connection and try to "randomize" incoming traffic
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20:02<viilips>i have funny question for you guys.. how can i know which kernel version am i'm using on debian machine without GUI?
20:02<babilen>viilips: uname -a
20:03<viilips>thank you babilen!
20:03<babilen>viilips: or 'man uname' to select subsets of that information
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20:03<sprockets>I assume its bonding
20:03<sprockets>I want to take a wired connection and a wireless connection and share the bandwidth 50.50
20:03<sprockets>for things like download managers etc
20:03<babilen>!tell sprockets -about bonding
20:04<sprockets>So bonding can def satisfy what I am trying to do?
20:04<sprockets>if so I guess I have a few hours of reading/testing ahead of me
20:04<babilen>!tell sprockets -about lartc
20:04<sprockets>but I dont want auto failover
20:05<sprockets>I want a round robinish type of connection, or set it up in groups of 3
20:05<sprockets>I guess ill read about Bonding and Lartc see if that can handle the type of setup I am after and return with more questions
20:05<babilen>sprockets: Have a look at the lartc link dpkg told you about. I would start with the binding and add traffic shaping later on
20:05<sprockets>see you guys in a couple of days :)
20:06<babilen>sprockets: You might also want to ask in #networking over at freenode about other suggestions
20:06<sprockets>ahh good idea
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20:06<viilips>hm, how can i exit from file i entered by typing "man uname" ?
20:06<babilen>viilips: 'q'
20:07<viilips>once again babilen, thank you :)
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20:41<Guest386>did u know channel of Bactrack distribution ?
20:42<gsimmons>Guest386: #remote-exploit on
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20:42<Guest386>thx tell me why i have nick: guest386 and no my real nic what i wrote in join here?
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20:54<rex>me too
20:54<rex>oh shit sry wrong window
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21:02<mercutio22>Hello guys. I once installed the nvidia drivers with the nvidia installer and I'd like to remove it and install the nvidia drivers from the debian repository. How can I do that? I don't have the installer anylonger on my pc.
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22:37<Ice1os>My search skills seem to be failing me, and I'm hoping someone can help or point me toward documentation I've missed. I'm running squeeze on x86_64 and trying to get my BlackBerry to work consistently when plugged into the USB port. Everything works fine if the it is plugged in at boot (shows up in lsusb output, accessible to barry-util programs), but if plugged into an already running system, it doesn't show up in lsusb output. Running
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22:59<Ice1os>My search skills seem to be failing me, and I'm hoping someone can help or point me toward documentation I've missed. I'm running squeeze on x86_64 and trying to get my BlackBerry to work consistently when plugged into the USB port. Everything works fine if the it is plugged in at boot (shows up in lsusb output, accessible to barry-util programs), but if plugged into an already running system, it will charge but doesn't show up in lsusb o
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23:08<newsense>can anyone here help me run logcheck ?
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23:08<newsense>i installed it but something isn't right
23:08<newsense>i can't run it and it doesn't run from cron
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23:11<newsense>should i file a bug report against it, i see no such bug from apt-listbugs list logcheck
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23:12<jmarsden>newsense: It's highly unlikely it just "doesn't work at all"... what do you mean by "I can't run it" ?
23:13<newsense>jmarsden: if i run it as it suggests it asks for a password
23:13<newsense>su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck" logcheck
23:13<jmarsden>OK, I'll install it here in a Lenny VM and see what it does...
23:14<newsense>jmarsden: ok thanks
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23:14<newsense>jmarsden: i have used it before in the past and never had such a problme
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23:16<jmarsden>Wait... *it* asks for a password, or su asks for a password?
23:16<newsense>jmarsden: su
23:17<newsense>jmarsden: i setup no password for logcheck and if i use my users pass or root neither work
23:17<jmarsden>newsense: And why do you expect su *not* to ask for a pw -- did you configure su specially in some way?
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23:18<newsense>jmarsden: i really don't remember how i used it in the past, i never really ran it from cli, just from cron and it just worked
23:19<jmarsden>Apparently you do not understand what su does? if you su - # and become root and then type that logcheck invocation, does it work for you then?
23:19<newsense>jmarsden: no it tells me not to run it as root and to use the su command i gave as normal user
23:20<newsense>jmarsden: sorry i meant as root user that is
23:20<jmarsden>su - then type root pw. Then at a root shell promot type in su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck" logcheck
23:20<jmarsden> and it complains about running as root??
23:20<jmarsden>That's not what I am seeing here.
23:20<newsense>logcheck should not be run as root. Use su to invoke logcheck:
23:21<newsense>that's what i get
23:21<newsense>and i remember in the past running it the way it suggests and it worked
23:21<jmarsden>By typing in su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck" logcheck you get that?
23:21<jmarsden>Strange. Here it "just works".
23:21<newsense>i get 2 more lines too with a sudo command
23:21<jmarsden>Can you pastebin the command and the result somewhere i can see them, please?
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23:22<newsense>yeah sure
23:24<jmarsden>Hmmm, I can't seem to browse to that... trying again...
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23:24<newsense>id logcheck uid=104(logcheck) gid=110(logcheck) groups=110(logcheck),4(adm)
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23:25<jmarsden>newsense: Can you browse to and see your paste OK?
23:25<acu>howto change network settings in squeeze - I want to change IP address etc
23:26<jmarsden>Strange... I may have a connectivity issue of some sort... stay tuned... sigh...
23:27<jmarsden>newsense: That worked, and you left off the word logcheck at the end of the command. try again using the whole command.
23:28<newsense>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated: No such file or directory
23:28<newsense>thats what i get
23:29<jmarsden>newsense: Sounds like logcheck ran and that is what it is complaining about.
23:29<newsense>i don't get it
23:29<jmarsden>So now we have solved the "I can't run logcheck" issue, you need to find out what that message means.
23:30<newsense>ok i can google that myself
23:31<newsense>thanks for the help, i'll be here for a while incase someone has another suggestion
23:32<jmarsden>You're welcome.
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23:33<newsense>jmarsden: if i can't get it after looking this up and trying back is it safe to file the bug report ?
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23:34<jmarsden>newsense: Well, that would be a different bug report... it's up to you.
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23:34<newsense>i'll keep at it for a few days i guess, thanks again
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23:35<newsense>actually i'm going to try sid logcheck for now
23:36<newsense>bah same shit
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23:41<user01>how do i link a local file in an html page like <embed src="/home/user01/video.swf" . . . how should the link appear for a local file, like that?
23:42<goodger_>user01: file:///home/...
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23:47<user01>goodger_, thanks, but i cant get it to work with
23:47<user01><embed src="file:///home/user01/movie.swf" width="800" height="400" type="application/x-shockwave-flash">
23:48<goodger_>user01: well, if this were an HTML channel there'd probably be HTML in the title somewhere
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23:48<user01>goodger_, i just wanted to know if the way path was listed was correct
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23:49<user01>goodger_, for debian
23:49<goodger>user01: the path is, yes
23:49<acu>hey can anyone tell me howto change the IP in squeeze - the network settings does not give me option to work as root - or admin
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23:49<goodger>acu: click the "click to make changes" button..?
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23:51<newsense_>whats a good cli email client mutt ?
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23:54<chahibi>acu: try ifconfig
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23:54<dpkg>ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. use the -a option to view all of them, or man ifconfig for more. See also <ifup>, <ifdown>, <man interfaces>, <interfaces>, <myip>
23:55<user01>goodger, well you know, if i put a http link in it works, when i do file:/// locally it doesnt so it isnt the rest of the code
23:55<user01>its something with the file:///
23:55<eeeuser>user01: You can use relative links.
23:56<eeeuser>user01: might be easier for this guys application?
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23:59<user01>eeeuser, yep, relative link worked
23:59<user01>eeeuser, file:/// didnt
23:59<acu>chahibi: thanks - I need to setup the DNS and gateway and it tells me that host unknown
23:59<user01>eeeuser, thanks!
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