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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-04

---Logopened Mon Jan 04 00:00:19 2010
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00:00*basherer whistles dixie
00:00<basherer>dr|z3d?
00:01<basherer>don?
00:01<Durger>http://paste.debian.net/55544/
00:03<rex>are you doing this as root?
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00:03<Durger>yes
00:03<goodger>Durger: and the sources.list?
00:06<Durger>http://paste.debian.net/55545/
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00:07<goodger>Durger: so you're using sid, rather than lenny
00:07<goodger>...and experimental
00:07<goodger>neither of which are actually supported
00:08<snogglethorpe>tho sid is what everybody actually uses...
00:08<snogglethorpe>wacky!
00:09<Durger>do either matter?
00:10<goodger>Durger: experimental is explicitly for stuff that is liable to break machines and consequently only for expert use, so yes
00:12<Durger>well, is there a way i can manually fix my package tree?
00:12<twb>experimental packages are for experts *with* those packages, whereas sid is merely for experts with Debian
00:13<goodger>well, the least you can do is to stop using experimental and ensure that all packages present on the system have come from sid, or preferably lenny
00:14<twb>If this is a fresh system, a complete reinstall of stable or testing would be less hassle than trying to back out of the migration to unstable/experimental.
00:15<goodger>^this
00:15<ravenbird>goodger: I don't know, could you explain it?
00:15<Durger>well, heres the thing, it was the only build available, cause its not a general pc. its not a pc.
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00:20<rex>Durger: you can download lenny 5.03 from http://debian.net
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00:20<twb>With enough time and effort, you can put Debian on damn near anything
00:22<Durger>so theres no chance without a new install?
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00:41<blacye>Epiphany能不能删除
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00:42<blacye>hello
00:43<blacye>有中国人没
00:43<goodger>blacye: hello
00:43<blacye>
00:44<blacye>这里是不是都是中国人啊
00:45<goodger>blacye: this is for English only. please join #debian-zh
00:47<blacye>IRC in Chinese ?
00:48<blacye>Epiphany can not be removed
00:49<blacye>#debian-zh
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00:52<blacye>Thank you, I am a rookie
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00:59<firefox>can anyone help me with iptables?
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01:06<bhanu>how to find number of paragraphs in an html page using awk command
01:14<firefox>well incase some one comes along, I want to connect my xbox through a laptop, to a wireless router. and the internet. the xobox isnt seeing the internet. I have had this setup working before, and then it just stopped. http://pastebin.org/70930
01:14<firefox>that has all my iptables and stuff
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01:18<jm_>!dnsmasq
01:19<firefox>tried that with the same result
01:20<firefox>jm_, it assigns all the address right, but still no go
01:23<jm_>firefox: did you enable kernel level IP forwarding?
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01:23<firefox>jm_, I believe so, but let me double check
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01:24<firefox>jm_, OOOHHH GOD! lol thats what I get for having 3 linux boxes..
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01:25<firefox>jm_, whats the command to turn it on w/o rebooting?
01:25<jm_>firefox: echo 1 > ....
01:25<firefox>jm_, well , now all three have forwarding lol
01:25<jm_>/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is the generic one
01:26<firefox>jm_, tyvm, I am a self taught.. so I am missing some basics
01:26<jm_>the interface specific settings are in eth0 - I know there were some changes made to this in more recent kernels to fix some weird behavior
01:26<jm_>firefox: this should help http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO.html
01:27<firefox>jm_, ty, I had it working before with a different laptop, and then that one just stoped working, and I couldnt get it to work on the new guy
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01:28<firefox>jm_, well going to try it
01:30<jm_>dnsmasq has ip-forward-enable option in case you want to use it
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01:40<cesurasean>I keep getting errors when trying dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc. everytime i install the programs it complains about, they just keep installing and won't stop. lol do I HAVE to remove, purge them, and then run this command?!
01:40<cesurasean>this is for squeeze from a lenny install....
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01:47<jm_>what problems?
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01:53<Flakk>Hello people I have a question about GEDIT. When I open several files with this editor, they are always in the same window, that is, to move the files to separate windows, I must ask it. But I would like to open the files in different windows ALWAYS. Can I configure gedit to get this? - Thanks.
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02:50<firefox>jm_, if your still awake. I enabled the forwarding and echoed it. still didnt work, so I rebooted just in case. still no go. I turned dnsmasq on just to give it a whirl and I removed all my iptables rules. and the thing still doesnt see the internet..
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02:53<jm_>firefox: hard to not be awake when you're at work - did you check where the packets stop?
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02:55<jm_>firefox: did you also try enabling forwarding in all conf/*/forward files? or at least for ethX
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03:01<Flakk> Hello people I have a question about GEDIT. When I open several files with this editor, they are always in the same window, that is, to move the files to separate windows, I must ask it. But I would like to open the files in different windows ALWAYS. Can I configure gedit to get this? - Thanks
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03:02<jm_>firefox: another thing I remember people having problems with is ip_dynaddr
03:04<jm_>firefox: ohh and I thinkusing both -i and -o in your FORWARD chain accept rule is wrong, I think you should use -i only
03:04<jm_>that may well be the problem
03:05<jm_>but I am not 100% sure on that one (according to man page it may work)
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03:13<shadowlee>good nigth, i want move files of the type "odt" i try this ~$ mv -v ´find . -name "*.odt"´ ../datos/ but i recibe this mv: option incorrect -- n.
03:13<firefox>jm_, ok, I am looking at those now TY
03:14<jm_>shadowlee: do you have files with spaces and one looks like "... -n..."?
03:16<shadowlee>no
03:16<jm_>then try expanding the command and see what it generates
03:18<shadowlee>are many files in different folders
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03:18<shadowlee>so I want to find files and move them
03:18<firefox>jm_, so iptables -A FORWARD wlan1 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT
03:19<firefox>jm_, bad srgument lol
03:19<firefox>argu*
03:20<jm_>firefox: no, -i eth1 (that's your LAN iface, right?)
03:20<jmm>hello.
03:20<cahoot>shadowlee: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind (might be useful)
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03:21<firefox>jm_, yeah eth1 is my lan and wlan1 is wrless... so I should have -i eth1 -o wlan1?
03:22<shadowlee>ok i reading.
03:22<jm_>firefox: just -i eth1
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03:24<firefox>jm_, so "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -j ACCEPT" ?
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03:25<jm_>firefox: yes
03:26<firefox>jm_, hmmm... Well wouldnt the -o just point it which interface to go to just incase I have like 3 or 4 nics? I am going to try that.
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03:27<firefox>jm_, I think maybe I might be thinking backwards about this
03:27<myung>mmm hey i think i installed the nvidia driver wrong or somthin
03:28<myung>i get input not supported black screen when i try to play urban terror :SSS
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03:29<jm_>firefox: it's other things that specify where it will go, not iptables rules
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03:32<firefox>jm_, I FIGURED IT OUT! lol ty for your suggestion. my network dyslexia had gotten the best of me. I
03:32<firefox>jm_, I was forwarding the wirless to to eth and masquerading the wireless
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03:33<jm_>firefox: right, that would be a problem if wireless is not used for outgoing stuff
03:33<firefox>jm_, when I should have been forwarding the eth to the wireless and masquerading the wireless
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03:38<gsimmons>Flakk: Try reading the online manual for configuration options, or ask your question in #gedit on irc.gnome.org.
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03:41<Flakk>gsimmons thx
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05:47<zxd>Hi
05:47<zxd>any idea what the intel ia32-libs are only available on 64kbit debian systems?
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05:47<OdyX>zxd: they are not useful on 32 bits systems
05:47<zxd>why?
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05:48<zxd>OdyX,
05:49<OdyX>did you read their description ?
05:51<jm_>because you already have them ...
05:52<zxd>maybe I am confusing
05:53<zxd>are these the same libs as in http://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-ipp/
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05:56<zxd>jm_, where?
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05:59<jm_>zxd: on a 32bit system
06:02<zxd>what you mean
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06:09<zxd>jm_, I think I am confusing the libraries
06:09<jm_>zxd: sounds like you are yes
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06:16<twb>They're not available on most 64-bit architectures, either.
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06:55<linucks>hi there, I am trying to get away with not having to rebuild initrd.gz on a gtk debian installer. I want to replace the /usr/share/graphics/logo_debian.png with a custom one.. Does anyone know which deb package this comes to so as I can edit it rather than re-encode the initrd.img from the initrd.gz?
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07:03<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to find all files on a system that are timestamped in the future?
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07:05<locklace>EmleyMoor: find -newer
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07:06<EmleyMoor>locklace: Thanks - might have a go with that later
07:07<linucks>http://pastebin.com/d11365529 -- can anyone please tell me the problem here? why the mountpoint is not showing any files?
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07:08<EmleyMoor>linucks: Are there files in the filesystem?
07:08<petemc>linucks: initrds are gzipped cpio archives
07:08<petemc>not iso9660
07:08<petemc>or tmpfs
07:08<petemc>!initrd modules
07:08<dpkg>hmm... initrd modules is zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -t | grep ko$;
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07:09<linucks>EmleyMoor, yes there are files
07:09<linucks>petemc, I had that feeling, how would I extract the files or mount them?
07:09<petemc>see above
07:09<linucks>petemc, what I need to do is modify a file and then re-encode it
07:09<linucks>ok thank you
07:10<jm_>some initrd files anyway
07:10<petemc>cant we assume debian?
07:10<linucks>well..
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07:10<linucks>this is a custom debian distrubtion cd I have made, the initrd.img has been extracted from initrd.gz from the installer cd (gtk directory)
07:12<linucks>gzip: initrd.img: not in gzip format | cpio: premature end of archive
07:12<linucks>hm..
07:12<linucks>well I have already extracted it so that is true.
07:13<jm_>file initrd.img
07:13<jm_>right
07:13<linucks>yep
07:13<linucks>should I be trying that on the initrd.gz?
07:13<linucks>(the command above)
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07:13<jm_>zcat? yes
07:14<linucks>I did try cpio --extract before but well, I was kind walking in the dark.. not exactly sure how to extract these, but I do know how to put them back together.
07:14<linucks>okay., will give that a go.
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07:14<alex__>hi
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07:14<jm_>see how cpio is used above: cpio --extract < file
07:14<linucks>jm_, ah right
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07:16<perk>linucks, check this out: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-initrd.html
07:16<linucks>linucks, thank you, will do
07:16<linucks>err perk rather lol
07:16<perk>:-)
07:16<linucks>:D
07:16<sleipnir>Hello. I am trying to find a way to commit suicide without being psychiatricly evaluated, because I know that I am mentally stable. Ideas?
07:16<petemc>!ops sleipnir
07:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: petemc complains about: sleipnir
07:16<sleipnir>I realize this is offtopic but I don't know hwere else to put this
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07:17<petemc>thanks
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07:18<linucks>yes thanks.....
07:18<zobel>mh, even it was offtopic here, dunno if that would have been the correct solution.
07:18<freex>moin
07:18<petemc>zobel: what would you suggest had been done there?
07:21<linucks>excellent, the command works on the gz..
07:22<zobel>if somebody wants to commit suicide its probably not the best idea to just make him shut up.
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07:22<linucks>hmm..
07:23<linucks>apparently I SHOULD be able to mount the file extracted from initrd.gz (the initrd.img) _somehow_ just not sure what fs type it is...
07:23<linucks>that's what this IBM developerworks thing says, and so has everything else I've found.
07:23<zobel>cramfs?
07:24<linucks>tried cramfs, minix, ext, ext2, ext3, ext4
07:24<petemc>linucks: initrds changed format a while back, some of the information you read may be obsolete
07:24<linucks>:/
07:24<linucks>petemc, oh yeah? that would certianly explain things
07:24<petemc>linucks: is it not a cpio archive?
07:24<linucks>petemc, yes I believe it worked, the zcat & cpio -t and piped grep command worked.
07:24<linucks>I believe it is*
07:25<petemc>so what are you trying to mount?
07:25<linucks>well, you're right.. I don't need to mount it at all do I
07:25<linucks>what would you suggest the best way to replace/edit a file in the cpio archive is? by extracting it and turning it back into a cpio archive or..?
07:25<petemc>zobel: in my experience, the ones talking about it you dont need to worry too much about
07:26<linucks>I havn't done this before so forgive my ignorance.
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07:26<jm_>linucks: indeed, extract, replace, repack
07:26<jm_>make sure to use the right switches for cpio or kernel will not like it
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07:27<linucks>hmm
07:27<linucks>jm_, are there any way to tell which switches it was created with?
07:27<linucks>(I am about to have a look at the man page for cpio)
07:27<jm_>linucks: yes, file shall tell you
07:27<jm_>you need the right -H option
07:28<jm_>"newc" if memory serves me well
07:28<linucks>ahh -H specifies format, yes?
07:28<petemc>debian has tools like mkinitramfs
07:28<jm_>petemc: if one can use that with custom dir it's rpobably the best option
07:31<linucks>petemc, hmm I might be able to use that to put it back together
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07:31<linucks>or not.. looking at the man page.. hm
07:32<petemc>if not, you can use cpio and gzip, google for the details
07:32<linucks>yes, thanks all
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07:33<perk>linucks, make sure you get device and special files correctly included in the ramdisk
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07:39<Guig00>hi everybody
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07:40<linucks>perk, yeah ran into problems with that, and jm_ you were right about the -H flag being newc
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07:40<linucks>find . | cpio -H newc -o > ../initramfs.cpio <-- that is the command I need to use I think
07:40<linucks>to re-package.
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07:44<linucks>heh time to test and see if this actually worked.
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07:45<linucks>wow it worked
07:45<linucks>thanks everyone for your help, I am thrilled to have this done correctly ;)
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07:46<Guig00>who can tell me how to delete Debian?
07:46<unkn0wn>sup yal
07:47<azeem_>Guig00: just install something else over it
07:47<Guig00>ah thank you
07:47<Guig00>i want to install Ubuntu
07:47<unkn0wn>your a bot lol
07:47<azeem_>then ask the Ubuntu people how to install Ubuntu
07:47<unkn0wn>nice try
07:47<Guig00>is it better than Debian?
07:47<azeem_>Guig00: ask them, not us
07:48<Guig00>i don't understand them tell me that i ask you...
07:48<linucks>Guig00, insert your ubuntu cd, go through the installer, you can use the automatic partitioning if you don't have any data you want to keep on your computer or any other OS, it will create new partitions and format your drive
07:48<Guig00>oka
07:48<azeem_>linucks: if you want to support Ubuntu, please do so in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
07:48<Guig00>y
07:48<azeem_>or elsewhere
07:49<linucks>I am supporting Debian by supporting ubuntu.
07:49<unkn0wn>ubuntu is for n00bs
07:49<azeem_>unkn0wn: do you have a debian question?
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07:49<unkn0wn>yeaq
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07:50<linucks>azeem_: refusing to tell someone how to get rid of debian is somewhat against Debian's constitution I do believe. ;)
07:50<unkn0wn>what are the befifets on an Ex3 partaton vs Ex2?
07:50<azeem_>linucks: I told Guest427
07:50<azeem_>eh, Guig00
07:50<azeem_>13:46 < azeem_> Guig00: just install something else over it
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07:50<azeem_>unkn0wn: ext3 has a journal, ext2 does not
07:50<linucks>azeem_, so did I.
07:50<azeem_>linucks: nope, you explained how to use the Ubuntu installer
07:50<azeem_>now please drop it
07:51<gsimmons>linucks: Regarding your first question, logo_debian.png is supplied by the rootskel-gtk udeb package.
07:51<linucks>gsimmons, cheers! ended up just going into the initrd fs and replacing it but I will write that down for the future
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07:52<unkn0wn>will ex3 cause higher CPU usage since its allways writeing shit to the hhard drive?
07:53<jm_>I suspected it's udeb since p.d.o didn't find it, but had no clue how to track it down
07:53<jm_>unkn0wn: not cpu, disk usage
07:53<unkn0wn>thx!!
07:53<unkn0wn>last question...
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07:54<gsimmons>jm_: Had to checkout lenny's d-i branch (subversion) to determine that. :)
07:55<linucks>well thank you for that, gsimmons.
07:55<unkn0wn>is it faster to use a 16bit color depth vs a 43/32bit when using VNC/xwindows? will running @ 16bit depth be quicker/faster for vnc ??
07:55<unkn0wn>24/32
07:55<unkn0wn>*24/32
07:56<jm_>gsimmons: ahh heh
07:57<unkn0wn>hows everybodys botnet(s) going along?
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08:32<mati>öloß
08:33<mati>opp+pp
08:33<mati>php de
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08:33<mati>piri5iti
08:33<@Ganneff>mati: try making sense
08:33<mati>määkü,k kpll php de
08:33-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*mati@*.teleos-web.de] by Ganneff
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08:33<TIBS02>hello
08:34<TIBS02>can anyone help me how to enable php on apache
08:34<@Ganneff>!php
08:34<dpkg>PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net.
08:34<TIBS02>its installed
08:34<TIBS02>just when u goto http://www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk/phpsysinfo
08:34<TIBS02>it comes up with download
08:35<jm_>see above and ask dpkg about it
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08:35<TIBS02>is it in then httpd.conf
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08:36<TIBS02>i have to enable it
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08:36<TIBS02>and how come webmin aint on the apt-get sites no more
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08:36<@Ganneff>!webmin
08:36<dpkg>webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
08:36<TIBS02>so what web enabled admin shall i use
08:36<TIBS02>instead
08:38<TIBS02>!webmin
08:38<dpkg>i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
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08:38<OdyX>TIBS02: learn to use Debian properly
08:38-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*mati@*.teleos-web.de] by Ganneff
08:38<TIBS02>i have been
08:38<TIBS02>for yrs
08:38<OdyX>no need for wembin then
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08:39<TIBS02>no but i find it easier
08:40<TIBS02>to get into config files n look for files
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08:48<TIBS02>they removed mysql
08:48<TIBS02>aswell
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08:50<OdyX>nope
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09:07<TIBS02>right
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09:07<TIBS02>i got another webserver running on port 80 and i dont know what it is running i must of installed a new webserver but i wanna run apache
09:07<TIBS02>can anyone tell me what the program is running www.gibbs-hosting.co.uk
09:07<TIBS02>plz
09:08<petemc>lsof -i :80
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09:10<TIBS02>COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME
09:10<TIBS02>pike7.6 1896 www-data 13u IPv4 6796 TCP *:www (LISTEN)
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09:10<TIBS02>pike
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09:10<petemc>so now you know whats running...
09:10<TIBS02>ok wicked tar
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09:11<TIBS02>its still running
09:12<TIBS02>even tho ive uninstalled it
09:12<TIBS02>eading package lists... Done
09:12<TIBS02>Building dependency tree
09:12<TIBS02>Reading state information... Done
09:12<TIBS02>Package pike is not installed, so not removed
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09:12<TIBS02>hheh
09:13<Hydroxide>TIBS02: yeah, that's not personal, it's just too many lines for a high-traffic channel
09:13<TIBS02>thats ok
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09:13<petemc>presumably you have a webserver written in pike running
09:13<TIBS02>yer
09:13<TIBS02>how i shut it down
09:13<gsimmons>TIBS02: The package is pike7.6. Removing this will also remove caudium, which is the httpd in use.
09:14<TIBS02>ok
09:14<TIBS02>apt-get removing it
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09:15<TIBS02>wooo
09:15<TIBS02>its back
09:15<TIBS02>cheers boys
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09:18<TIBS02>right
09:18<TIBS02>is mysql on apt-get ?
09:18<gsimmons>dpkg: tell TIBS02 -about install mysql
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09:25<mib_czcwymh0vg0z>http://devilconsole.forumcommunity.net/
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09:25<dark>There is a chromium build for lenny? @.@
09:26<Torsten_W>i have only one for sid
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09:32<tdomhan>does anyone know a way to get the name of the monitor connected to my laptop currently?
09:32<cahoot>try xrandr -q
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09:33<tdomhan>cahoot, xrandr -q displays the available resolutions for "Screen 0", but sadly not something like "BenQ ..."
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09:37<Guest633>list
09:38<locklace>dpkg: tell Guest633 about list
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09:41<TIBS02>dpkg: tell tibs01 about list
09:41<TIBS02><dpkg> told tibs01 about list (tibs01: VATTENE VIA)
09:41<TIBS02>lol
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09:43<ml|>TIBS01: /msg dpkg selftell
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09:44<neo>!list
09:44<dpkg>neo: VATTENE VIA
09:44<neo>volentieri peccato che non so assolutamente come fare
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09:46<locklace>!tell neo about it
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09:53<bittin_>!kernels
09:53<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100104, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.33-rc2-git5, mainline 2.6: 2.6.33-rc2, stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.2 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.9 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.42 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7
09:53<bittin_>!kernel
09:53<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100104, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.33-rc2-git5, mainline 2.6: 2.6.33-rc2, stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.2 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.9 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.42 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7
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09:53<bittin_>!backports
09:53<dpkg>somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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09:54<locklace>!tell bittin_ about selftell
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10:08<lancelot_of>hi all
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10:09<lancelot_of>i've just correctly installed an msi digivox mini II (V3.0) receiver on my debian system but dunno how to watch digital tv with it...any hint?
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10:10<cahoot>could try mplayer, or kaffeine if gui is important
10:11<cahoot> linuxtv.org might be of help wrt channel setup
10:12<lancelot_of>cahoot, thanks...so doesn't xine support digital tv watching, does it?
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10:12<cahoot>never used xine so ....
10:12<cahoot>vlc is another option
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10:18<jthomas_sb_>Can anyone explain or assist with my home computer's Audacity waveforms? Debian Sid, KDE 4.3.4, with the FLOSS Radeon driver (this was happening before the recent 3d integration as well) http://imagebin.org/78123 My work Debian Sid has no such issues.
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10:31<mihkel>Hi. I don't understand this "lastlog" thing. It is supposed to show me the dates users were last logged in
10:31<mihkel>but for example for my username it says:
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10:31<mihkel>mihkel tty1 R okt 9 09:28:33 +0300 2009
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10:32<mihkel>and for other two useres in this machine the dates are from 2007
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10:39<jthomas_sb_>mihkel are you saying that it is inaccurate?
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10:40<mihkel>jthomas_sb_, yes
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10:40<mihkel>Today is 4. jan 2009 :)
10:40<mihkel>not 9. oct 2009
10:40<jthomas_sb_>what does 'date' return at the command line?
10:40<mihkel>mihkel@debian:/var/log$ date
10:41<mihkel>E jaan 4 17:40:51 EET 2010
10:41<mihkel>. o (damn it is 2010 already)
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11:10<chomwitt>hi. is there diff between auth.log and wtmp ? should i choose one?
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11:11<petemc>chomwitt: choose one?
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11:37<valdyn>chomwitt: how are those 2 files even similar?
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11:39<valdyn>mihkel: so you never logged out?
11:40<mihkel>valdyn, I have
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11:42<mihkel>Can I somehow "reset" this file? Because for other two users the dates are wrong too
11:43<mihkel>afk
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11:58<dmnst>quit
11:58<mihkel>then again "last" shows correct dates and times
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11:59<mihkel>Do lastlogin and last take their data from the same place - /var/log/lastlog
12:00<mihkel>no last uses /var/log/wtmp acording to man
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12:14<dasenjo>hello
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12:15<dasenjo>I have a simple question ... how can I see the limits for a running process in a 2.6.18?
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12:15<s4br3>dasenjo: What are "limits"?
12:15<dasenjo>In newer kernels there's a file limit in /proc/pid_number/limits
12:15<dasenjo>s4br3, for example maximun open file descriptors ..
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12:16<dasenjo>!opened
12:16<s4br3>dasenjo: oooh... beyond me
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12:19<dasenjo>s4br3, ok .. thanks ..
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12:19<dasenjo>excuse my english ...
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12:20<dasenjo>In newer kernels there's a limits file in /proc/pid_number/limits
12:20<mihkel>what package is responsible for creating and maintaining /var/log/lastlog?
12:20<s4br3>dasenjo: as in maximum number of processes?
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12:21<dasenjo>yes
12:22<s4br3>dasenjo: look at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_limits.html
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12:27<dasenjo>s4br3, I understand the basic logic and the ulimit command .. but I want to see the limits of a process that is already running ..
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12:28<dasenjo>and is very easy in newer kernels ..
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12:28<s4br3>dasenjo: in 2.6.18? I think it was very buggy back then - here is an example. Don't know when it became "stable" http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318452
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12:30<dasenjo>I think it's working well ..
12:30<dasenjo>my process are "limited"
12:30<dasenjo>but I can prove it ..
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12:32<s4br3>Does anyone know of a Debian sound converter. I am trying to extract the sound from a video dv file. However, both Audacity and pacpl failed. Audacity says it cant open a proprietary WMA-file... Hmmm, the video clip comes from my home dv video camera. Any hints for a converter?
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12:32<metalqga>use kino
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12:34<cahoot>mplayer -dumpaudio?
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12:38<s4br3>Thanks I'll try them!
12:40<s4br3>In Kino, exporting the sound. What's the difference between Internal and sox?
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12:41<metalqga>no idea
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12:43<s4br3>Anyhow, it worked excellent. Thanks!
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12:47<s4br3>cahoot: I got the same error mplayer as I got with Audacity: "Unsupported Formats. wma-proprietary"
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12:48<s4br3>Oh he had left
12:48<metalqga>yes and no
12:50<fior>s4br3: you mean mplayer and audacity cannot read the audio you dumped with kino ?
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12:51<s4br3>Kino could extract the sound but mplayer failed with the same error as Audacity
12:52<fior>ok
12:52<zxd>is there an easy way to manage shared libs of applications installed in opt
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12:53<fior>you may try to extract the sound with mplayer: mplayer -ao pcm:file=audio.wav -vo null -vc null somefile.dv
12:53<cahoot>sad state of things if ones camera produces files one cannot access
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12:55<s4br3>its dinner, brb
12:55<zxd>what's the debian package dev channel
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13:07<s4br3>cahoot: imb. The camera works fine as a video camera. I made a 26 min family video in Kdenlive, actually appreciated by my brother in law...
13:07<s4br3>I just wanted to extract some sounds from the files, and got that strange error message
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13:10<s4br3>fior: The command you suggested didn't work really: http://pastebin.ca/1737644
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13:35<fior>s4br3: it seems it worked perfectly... normaly the audio is in blops.wav according to what you pasted on pastebinn
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13:36<s4br3>Well, the blops.wav gets created but if I open _that_ wav-file in Audacity I get the same error. The Kini-created wav-file doesn't produce the error.
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13:37<fior>are you able to play blops.wav with mplayer ?
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13:39<s4br3>Yes, i thatworked, and, hold on, it is playbale in Audacity even if very short. Only one or two secs
13:40<s4br3>should be some 22 secs
13:40<fior>if I understand correctly, mplayer plays the wav-file without problem but audacity doesn't ?
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13:41<s4br3>The reason Im looking into the sound is that I want to buy a Canopus ADVC 55 tomorrow and hoped I could transfer both my VHS and vinyl records
13:41<s4br3>fior, yes, Audacity seems to be the culprit.
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13:42<fior>it seems audacity doesn't like the wav-format mplayer created...
13:43<fior>you may transcode it to another format (ie. flac or ogg) and then import this in audacity
13:45<s4br3>or, use Kino, which worked
13:45<s4br3>:)
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13:50<fior>s4br3: I just tried to export audio to a wav-file with mplayer and then opened it in audacity and it worked perfectly (I have audacity 1.3.10-1 which is in testing)
13:51<s4br3>fior: Did you export from a .dv file?
13:52<fior>no, I didn't have one on this computer, put it shouldn't make a difference since mplayer is converting the audio to wav-format and not just dumping it in a file
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13:55<s4br3>fior: but, I have no other issues with Audacity, just extracting the sound from a video .dv file.
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13:56<fior>s4b3r: actually I opened the wav-file with audacity and I didn't tried to import it in an existing project. Maybe this is the difference.
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14:00<Gieke>hey
14:00<Gieke>as i don't get reaction in ubuntu related channels
14:01<Gieke>anyone knows how to get the rhytmbox plugin to display songs in empathy to work
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14:03<locklace>!ubuntu
14:03<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:05<Gieke>i know
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14:05<Gieke>but i excpected some people in here that use ubuntu
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14:06<s4br3>fior: I think the underlying code of Kino is different from that of Audacity/mplayer when it comes to .dv-files.
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14:09<s4br3>Gieke, switch to Debian, like I am about to save my VHS tapes - http://videosuite.blogspot.com/2008/07/what-is-lifespan-of-vhs-tape.html
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14:12<Gieke>s4br3, what will that help me with the empathy-rhytmbox thing
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14:13<chris__>Sysinfo for 'Che': Linux 2.6.26-2-686 running KDE 3.5.10, CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)MCPU420@1.60GHz at 1596 MHz (3196 bogomips), HD: 6/106GB, RAM: 464/494MB, 122 proc's, 5.16h up
14:14<chris__>wieso geht mein sound nicht ?
14:14<mdmarmer>Gieke: try #linux-smokers-club ... not as many users but nothing is off topic there ;-)
14:15<noflash>!tell chris__ -about de
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14:16<noflash>chris__, and turn that sysinfo crap off
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14:41<planet8>My old laptop is dying and I am thinking about purchasing a netbook either Asus eee pc 1050AH or Dell ins101135, any aother recommendation? Its gotta be silent (non running fan unless on heavy workload).
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14:48<edbian>I am setting up a mail server. I'm having a strange problem. I can send mail out and send mail locally but I can't seem to receive mail from outside (local mail sends and receives fine). Where can I look for errors? Any ideas on what the problem might be? postfix & dovecot with smtp.comcast.net as a smarthost.
14:48<cahoot>postfix keeps logs - no?
14:49<Titan8990>edbian, is comcast blocking incoming SMTP connections (I am told they do for non-business customers)?
14:49<edbian>Titan8990, What is that port number?
14:49<Titan8990>edbian, for smtp?
14:50<Titan8990>edbian, grep -i smtp /etc/services
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14:50<edbian>Titan8990, I googled it
14:50<edbian>it's 25
14:51<edbian>a port scanner says that my ip is responding on port 25 :/
14:51<Titan8990>most of the time its againts the AUP to run an email server on a home line
14:51<Titan8990>edbian, they do evil things like deep packet inspection...
14:52<edbian>Titan8990, I had it working. I installed exim4 to see if I could get that working. I switched back to postfix and now I can't receive email.
14:52<edbian>Titan8990, stupid AUPs
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14:55<edbian>On a side note: squirrel mail is report "mailbox is not a valid mbox file" the mail command on the server works fine. What is going on here?
14:56<edbian>I can send a message to "ed@mydomain.net" how can I tell if this staying local or not?
14:57<Titan8990>tcpdump?
14:57<Titan8990>server logs?
14:57<edbian>Titan8990, I don't know how works?
14:57<Titan8990>edbian, how email works or how tcp networking works??
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14:58<edbian>Titan8990, nono, tcpdump is it a command?
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15:00<Titan8990>edbian, tcpdump is a tool used to capture tcp/ip packets on an interface
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15:00<Titan8990>you can save the captures as a .cap file and analyze them with wireshark
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15:01<Titan8990>essential tool to any networking hobbiest or professional
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15:07<zak>why does ubuntu suck so bad??
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15:10<bremner>!ubuntu
15:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:17<edbian>Titan8990, Something strange happened. My test emails from some outside account suddenly appeared!
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15:18<adb>!win edbian
15:18<dpkg>Congratulations, edbian! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
15:19<edbian>adb, O god! I hope not relayed through my new server!
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15:31<juanma_>hola camaradas
15:31<juanma_>tengo una duda
15:31<ml|>!es
15:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:31<juanma_>tengo instalado en mi debian el servidor mysql
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15:33<nick_geetar>Help with Jack?
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15:35<juanma__>hola, alguien me lee?
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15:41<juanma_>hello you lot
15:42<juanma_>I have a mysq server installed and successfully configured on a debian box
15:42<juanma_>i can acces to this server through the local area network of my office
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15:43<juanma_>but i can do it writing the public ip address
15:43<juanma_>what's the trouble?
15:43<sney`>networking
15:44<juanma_>what?
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15:45<juanma_>please if i can resolve this troubble i will be fired out from my boss
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15:46<cahoot>juanma_: you can or can not access it from outside?
15:46<juanma_>cahoot, no, i can
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15:47<adb>no, i can't
15:47<juanma_>cahoot, i mean, i can't
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15:47<juanma_>cahoot, nor i can access to the router web configuration interface
15:48<juanma_>cahoot, my ISP says that is no problem with them
15:48<juanma_>cahoot, i have tested the router and i looks to be well configured
15:49<juanma_>cahoot: i can connect from any host of the private network
15:50<juanma_>but if i type the 80.59.54.151 ip, it doesn't work at all
15:50<juanma_>my ISP is telefonica of spain
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16:05<Titan8990>wander if that means there will be a job opening for someone who actually know networking and mysql :p
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16:08<locklace>!qotd0
16:08<dpkg><liable> wols: mirc r0x0rz
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16:10<cesurasean>ive lost my mind. too much partying for the new years.... haha
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16:17<edbian>Is it a bad idea to sign my own ssl certificates?
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16:17<Gathond>edbian: depends on the purpose
16:17<Titan8990>depends on who will use them
16:18<Myon>that very much depends on who you want to trust the cert
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16:18<Titan8990>if you have control of the configuration of all the clients that will access the server, you can configure those machines to "trust" certs signed by you
16:18<Titan8990>if its something you want to expose publically to the internet, you need one signed from a real CA
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16:19<Titan8990>s/need/should
16:19<edbian>Titan8990, I will only
16:20<edbian>Titan8990, but I need a cert so that I can send mail using 3rd party programs on other machines? I can't just tell the server / client "trust this computer" without a cert?
16:21<Titan8990>edbian, you need a cert if you want to use a TLS connection, if you don't want TLS, you don't need a cert....
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16:22<Gathond>edbian: usually you as a user gets the choice of whether to accept the cert or not if there is a mismatch
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16:24<edbian>Gathond, So I can just tell the mail client "accept this certificate" even though I never set up any certificate on the server?
16:26<Gathond>no
16:26<Gathond>since in that case there is no certificate to accept
16:26<Gathond>but you can accept the certificate the server presents (usually) without that CA being available on the client machine
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16:27<Gathond>it will just nag you that the side is untrusted and you should really not proceed unless you know what you are doing
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16:31<edbian>Gathond, Thank you. I don't plan on doing this for a long time. I'm just screwing around with things to learn how they work.
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16:40<jcdubacq>hello
16:41<jcdubacq>is there some way to setup a chroot for building in 64bits in a 32bits system
16:41<jcdubacq>(PS: I already know of the converse, did that, works like a charm)
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16:43<kop>jcdubacq: Perhaps there's a way to cross-compile.
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16:46<Titan8990>jcdubacq, depends on the goal
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16:58<mathz>ich bin in einem wlan und weiß das passwort aber nicht.... es ist eine fritzbox
16:58<mirak>is there a place I can ask about makefile.am and makefile.in ?
16:59<mathz>ich bin auch im web-interface des wlan, allerdings finde ich da nirgendwo den schlüssel in klartext
16:59<locklace>!de
16:59<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
16:59<Nemoder>!automake
16:59<dpkg>well, automake is a tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles. for general and extended usage examples browse to the free Autobook at http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/
17:00<mathz>sorry, i'm in the wrong channel
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17:02<mirak>it's just I am trying to change a rhythmbox package
17:03<mirak>when I apply a patch to makefile.am , the changes seems to reverted and lost
17:03<mirak>when I debuild -S
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17:05<mirak>maybe I need to run autogen
17:05<mirak>?
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17:08<Mannenigata>Hello
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17:15<Mannenigata>anyone here?
17:16<zobel>no, we are all bots
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18:59<edbian>What do you think of this apache2 how to? http://www.ednovak.net/howto.html
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19:00<leman>buenas noches
19:00<cor_>seniore
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19:04<leman>ok
19:05<leman>gracias
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19:11<Rovanion>How do I pull a package from a specific repository rather than the default?
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19:12<mezimezim>hi, I find very annoying the fact that the caps lock button actually acts as a shift lock button. Anyone has a way of changing that?
19:13<ml|>Rovanion: aptitude -t ; man aptitude
19:14<EmleyMoor>mezimezim: Which desktop are you running?
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19:15*EmleyMoor uses gnome so will offer advice appropriate to that unless stopped
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19:16<EmleyMoor>System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts... select the affected layout if you have more than one, Layout Options...
19:16<EmleyMoor>Caps Lock behaviour is a section in there
19:17<ml|>forgot to mention to be careful with the -t option
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19:27<jeremiah>Has anyone else had problems with the latest bash package (.deb) on sid?
19:27<jeremiah>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bash_4.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
19:27<dpkg>jeremiah: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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19:29<jeremiah>tar chokes: tar: ./postrm: Cannot utime: Bad file descriptor
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19:38<christoph>hm can anyone help me to make wl/semi select the correct GPG key for PGP/MIME ? just can't figure out how to configure/which keybindings to use
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19:42<gsimmons>jeremiah: Sounds like you're hitting Debian bug #563726.
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19:42<jeremiah>gsimmons: I guess.
19:42<jeremiah>Thanks, I'll surf on over.
19:43<jeremiah>gsimmons: Yup - I think you are correct sir.
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20:16<jeremiah>I upgraded my kernel from an old (2.18) to something newer (2.32) and the bug was fixed.
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20:18<bremner>christoph: I seem to remember setting epg-user-id
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20:19<opticon>is their away to setup debian 5 for remote administration with graphical logins through gnome?
20:19<babilen>jeremiah: apt-listbugs / apt-listchanges ;-)
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20:20<babilen>!tell opticon -about vnc
20:20<babilen>opticon: /msg dpkg for the other <topics>
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20:21<opticon>i tried getting vnc to work the other night but it didnt work like i expected
20:21<opticon>used synaptic to install vnc4server
20:22<opticon>theirs so many different ones that show up makes it confusing
20:22<jeremiah>babilen: Hmm, good tip.
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20:23<jeremiah>babilen: Its written in ruby?!? zomg
20:23<jeremiah>o_O
20:23<jeremiah>apt-listchanges already is installed.
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20:25<Nemoder>opticon: if you want to remote control an existing X instance then try x11vnc instead
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20:35<ruben>ikk
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20:54<karbassi>scponly or jailkit or is there something else out there?
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20:55<opticon>i think i have solution
20:56<opticon>dont know why i didnt think of it earlier
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20:58<karbassi>so no one knows how to set up a SFTP-only user account?
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21:02<virtuald>karbassi: use scponly as the users shell
21:03<karbassi>virtuald: any tutorials you can suggest? i'm super new to this.
21:03<virtuald>nope
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21:05<virtuald>i think there's a scponly package that automatically add it to /etc/shells, then run chsh scponly username
21:05<virtuald>maybe /path/to/scponly, see the manpage and other docs in /usr/share/scponly
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21:06<virtuald>i mean /usr/share/doc/scponly
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21:15<pipe>Hullo. To have 342 users, this channel isn't very lively :)
21:15<pipe>I'm playing with Squeeze, trying out the automagic root encryption and trying to make it unlock over ssh in the init stage
21:17<pipe>I was positively surprised that just installing dropbear actually put everything needed in the initrd, so I didn't have to do anything extra to SSH to the machine in the boot stage
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21:17<pipe>Now I just wonder what would be the "clean" way to mount my encrypted root from within dropbear/busybox, and then continue with the boot
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22:00<olpcfan>I'm reading a PDF in evince (similiar issue occurs in epdfview) and the font is hideous. But when I highlight the text, it looks fine (except it goes white on blue). I have tons of fonts installed ... too many? Any ideas anyone? :)
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22:01<dr|z3d>olpcfan: Check your antialiasing settings.. perhaps turn on sub-pixel antialiasing.
22:02<olpcfan>dr|z3d: Sounds reasonable. :) Where might those settings be? I didn't see anything in the programs themselves (but I can check documentation) -- or is it an X setting or something?
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22:03<dr|z3d>olpcfan: OS-level.. check Appearance settings or similar, depending on your DE.
22:04<olpcfan>dr|z3d: Ok, I'll see what I can find. PS, what's a DE? :)
22:04<pipe>desktop environment
22:04<pipe>gnome, kde etc
22:06<dr|z3d>Hey! You forget XFCE!
22:06*dr|z3d winks.
22:06<olpcfan>pipe: Thx. I figured, but didn't know the term. I'm running ion3 ... these programs use the gnome libraries I believe ... why do I always do things the hardway? I found some info online tho I'll real :)
22:06<olpcfan>er, read
22:06<pipe>olpcfan: And LXDE, a much better alternative than bloat-FCE IMO :)
22:06<pipe>s/olpcfan/dr\|z3d/
22:07<dr|z3d>Yeah, LXDE's not bad either, but lacks the visual polish of XFCE.
22:07<pipe>olpcfan: You're using ion3 with antialiased fonts? you're going to burn in hell I'm afraid
22:08<pipe>olpcfan: http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/faq/entries/Blurred_fonts.html
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22:19<olpcfan>Upon further consideration, I think it might be because its OCR
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22:20<olpcfan>In principle, it may be possible to convert it and in the process remove the images of the text and replace them with a standard font?
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22:21<pipe>You mean the document is a bitmap and debian/the software automagically OCRs the text when you mark it?
22:22<olpcfan>pipe: I mean the source is a scanned document. I can copy and paste most things
22:22<olpcfan>pipe: But it retains the original images and layout
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22:24<pipe>you can alwasy "pdf2ps" and "ps2txt" it
22:24<pipe>Will probably turn your document to a badly formatted text file with sections in random order etc, but you could always try
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22:24<olpcfan>hha
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22:25<kop>pipe: That only works with pdfs that contain text. Some pdfs of text are "pages" of images of text.
22:25<pipe>yeah
22:25<olpcfan>Yeah, maybe I'm just being too picky. It's legible, just ugly :(
22:25<pipe>that was what I was trying to ask
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22:25<pipe>but I didn't get an answer I could understand
22:25<hachi>hi, I'm getting an error from iceweasel when I launch it
22:25<olpcfan>hachi: what error?
22:25<hachi>sqlite is too old
22:25<pipe>hachi: tried launching from commandline?
22:25<pipe>hm
22:25<hachi>yup, no dice
22:26<kop>olpcfan: (There's tesseract-ocr....)
22:26<hachi>I just did an aptitude safe-upgrade
22:26<hachi>so this is related to upgrading packages
22:26<hachi>but there is no candidate for newer sqlite
22:26<pipe>distro?
22:26<hachi>testing
22:26<pipe>k
22:26<pipe>works for me ;)
22:26<hachi>I love it when people say that
22:26<pipe>yeah, it's the best answer
22:27<olpcfan>hachi: what version do you have installed?
22:27<abrotman>hachi: apt-cache policy iceweasel
22:27<hachi>abrotman: do you just want version?
22:27<abrotman>hachi: put the output in a pastebin
22:27<hachi>roger
22:27<hachi>can't do that
22:27<hachi>no browser
22:27<snogglethorpe>i just saw a rec from linus for the "perf" profiling tool; anyone know of any plans to package it for debian? (i couldn't find anything with google, but...)
22:28<hachi>took me a good what... 2 or 3 seconds to realize that
22:28<olpcfan>hachi: you can grab another ... elinks is a fast downlaod
22:28<abrotman>hachi: install another browser .. there are like uh .. 30 in debian ?
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22:28<hachi>yeah, but... graphical I was kinda hoping for, I don't know the name of others
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22:29<hachi>I used to have one that was webkit based
22:29<hachi>but I think it removed itself
22:29<abrotman>epiphany? konqueror ?
22:29<hachi>oh, it was called 'x-www-browser'
22:29<hachi>but it's gone now
22:30<abrotman>no it wasn't
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22:30<hachi>hmmm... really? cause that's how I always launched it, it never had any other name I could find
22:30<hachi>the 'help about' always just labeled it as 'WWW Browser'
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22:31<dr|z3d>hachi: Try midori, perhaps.
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22:31<dr|z3d>(Fully featured webkit browser)
22:31<Guest727>first time i use kde4 .. with live cd .. :) the quality of the whole thing... is definitly professional :)
22:32<abrotman>all this to get a paste that he could have done with w3m ...
22:32<olpcfan>For the record, pdf2ps produced blank output. Time to play with OCR software! :)
22:32<hachi>http://nopaste.snit.ch/19214
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22:33<Guest727>i never used it so far .. well i dont have it.. on my laptop.. juste live cd.. the thing is great.. looking nice / cool.. still some bugs i guess.. but overall quality is great
22:33<hachi>for the record, I don't see any deps listed by iceweasel saying it needs sqlite at all
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22:33<hachi>so I don't see what asserts what version I'm supposed to be pairing with iceweasel
22:33<abrotman>hachi: i386 ?
22:34<hachi>amd64
22:34<olpcfan>Since when does iceweasel use sqlite anyway? It doesn't in squeeze?
22:34<abrotman>hachi: it works fine on i386 here
22:34<abrotman>olpcfan: they changed the backend for something
22:34<abrotman>wait .. no, that was evolution
22:34<Guest727>do some use kde4 in here ?
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22:35<abrotman>lots of people
22:35<hachi>is packages.deb down?
22:35<hachi>nvm
22:35<hachi>slow response
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22:36<pipe>olpcfan: it's been using sqlite since forever I think
22:36<Guest727>abrotman: to have that sort of thing on debian doesnt sound that easy.. not on stable... start with testing.. and you only get 4.2
22:36<pipe>olpcfan: It's the reason that it's trashing my SSD forever at random intervals
22:36<abrotman>Guest727: okay .. and ? how does that answer your question ?
22:36<hachi>I thought it used sqlite for the bookmarks since like... 2.0
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22:37<pipe>hachi: something like that
22:37<abrotman>hachi: xulrunner depends on sqlite
22:38<Guest727>abrotman: if many use it.. i mean on debian that mean most people something else then 'stable', i suppose
22:38<hachi>I don't have that installed
22:38<abrotman>there is a backport of kde4 to stable
22:38<hachi>let me see if it's showing the wrong error
22:38<abrotman>hachi: yes, iceweasel depends on xulrunner
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22:39<hachi>and I'm running testing xulrunner :\
22:39<Guest727>what xulrunner is supposed to do ? it weight a lot.. tenth of mega bytes, discovered recently
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22:40<abrotman>hachi: and it works fine here
22:40<heffay>Can someone help me troubleshoot why a program in my chroot cant properly utilize my gpu?
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22:41<hachi>are you running 1.9.1.5-2 ?
22:41<heffay>It's telling me to install a proper driver but I already have the right one installed and know its working correctly
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22:42<abrotman>hachi: yes, but i386
22:42<hachi>k
22:42<hachi>Ima try to reinstall
22:43<abrotman>why?
22:43<abrotman>that's not going to make sense
22:43<hachi>--reinstall ?
22:43<abrotman>did you even check the BTS ?
22:43<hachi>yes
22:43<hachi>also google
22:44<hachi>redhat had this problem at some point because they forgot a dep
22:44<hachi>some other people say the way to fix it on ubuntu is to compile your own sqlite libs
22:44<hachi>nothing I can find in bts yet
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22:46<hachi>found it
22:46<abrotman>missing a recommends perhaps ?
22:46<hachi>no, something I installed locally (network manager from git) installed an old version of sqlite for some reason
22:47<hachi>that's weird though, the RPATH should have taken care of this I thought
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22:48<olpcfan>whoah, xloadimage made my colors invert?
22:48<heffay>nobody?
22:48<olpcfan>it's okay now, but that's weird
22:48<olpcfan>heffay: what program, what driver?
22:49<pipe>heffay: I'd like to help but I have no experience with that
22:49<pipe>heffay: So I'll just ignore you, for your own good.
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22:50<heffay>the program is xbmc and the driver is nvidia 190.42
22:51<heffay>when i installed the driver i opted to have the installer also install the 32bit libraries
22:51<heffay>im on an amd64 system witha 32bit chroot
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22:52<heffay> /home, /dev, /tmp, and /proc are binded in fstab
22:52<abrotman>did you try reading the X log ?
22:52<heffay>ill check
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22:55<heffay>i dont have xorg installed in the chroot
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22:55<heffay>but iceweasel runs just fine from the chroot
22:55<pipe>welll.....
22:55<pipe>no
22:55<pipe>iceweasel is a hack
22:56<abrotman>http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205
22:56<pipe>heffay: try running iceweasel with "-no-remote"
22:56<heffay>I have followed that guide
22:56<pipe>heffay: see if that works
22:56<heffay>pipe, i just said iceweasel runs fine
22:57<heffay>xbmc is the problem. its not able to use my gpu driver
22:57<pipe>ok
22:57<pipe>try installing windows then
22:57<pipe>should solve your problem.
22:57<abrotman>pipe: do you need help?
22:57<pipe>sure
22:57<abrotman>heffay: you'll have to excuse pipe .. some people don't know how to keep quiet
22:58<abrotman>heffay: you may want to ask #debian-amd64 if what you're trying to do is even possible
22:58<heffay>someone like him pops up in here from time to time. bothers me none
22:58<pipe>abrotman: I gave him an advice he chose to ignore, after that I don't really like to keep helping people
22:58<abrotman>pipe: you're not even trying to help, just don't say anything at all
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22:59<abrotman>heffay: i haven't heard of anyone successfully doing what you're trying to do .. what is your video card driver?
22:59<pipe>abrotman: I tried explaining that iceweasel is a special case since it will find out an already running iceweasel and attach to that
22:59<pipe>abrotman: running it from a chroot doesn't necessarily show anything important
23:00<abrotman>pipe: so ask him to try to run someting like gedit or xev
23:00<abrotman>xpaint ..
23:00<pipe>abrotman: or run it as I told him
23:00<abrotman>or don't mess with it at all ...
23:00<abrotman>you didn't explain why he might want to try to do that ..
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23:01<heffay>i dont think iceweasel cares what driver i use? it doesnt need hardware acceleration.
23:01<pipe>I didn't think I needed to when giving helpful advice
23:01<abrotman>heffay: so to answer pipe's question .. do any other X apps work fine ?
23:01<abrotman>anyways ...
23:01<abrotman>heffay: and iceweasel doesn't count
23:01<heffay>ok
23:01<pipe>xeyes is a good test :)
23:02<heffay>ill trying install something else there and testing it. iceweasel is all thats running in the chroot
23:02<olpcfan>I'm using the 'convert' utility from imagemagick to convert my PDF but the quality is terrible, even with the option '-quality 100'. I'm reading the man page, but damn, it has a lot of options. Any ideas?
23:03<heffay>how about tuxeyes?
23:03<pipe>olpcfan: http://www.imagemagick.org/Usage/text/#postscript *might* help you
23:04<pipe>olpcfan: hard to tell without knowing what you mean by "terrible"
23:05<heffay>tuxeyes is working from the chroot
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23:05<olpcfan>pipe: :) unreadable, blocky, low rez.
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23:05<pipe>olpcfan: You could try -size 10000 <file> -resize 1000 to render it in a high resolution and then resample it to a lower one with antialiasing
23:05<olpcfan>information is definately being lost
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23:06<pipe>olpcfan: but is all the text there?
23:06<olpcfan>pipe: the layout is okay, its just the letters themselves are missing pieces :)
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23:07<pipe>olpcfan: try opening it in gimp :)
23:07<pipe>olpcfan: or inkscape, scribus..
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23:08<heffay>tuxeyes works just fine
23:08<olpcfan>pipe: the input PDF or the output image?
23:08<pipe>olpcfan: the input
23:08<pipe>olpcfan: the output image is obviously broken, and imagemagic doesn't have a native pdf renderer anyway, it's using some external tool IINM
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23:11<olpcfan>pipe: sweet, gimp gave me the option to up the pixels per inch, and it looks great now ... pain in the ass way of doing it tho :(
23:11<olpcfan>unless ... batch mode?
23:11<pipe>well imagemagick can of course do it too
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23:12<pipe>You just have to find the magic option
23:12<pipe>maybe -density
23:12<olpcfan>pipe: well, yeah, that's the trick ... ahhhhh that is promising
23:13<pipe>the "magick" in imagemagick is due to the random magick options they have
23:13<pipe>also, I suggest to take a look at graphicsmagick
23:14<pipe>mostly for ideological reasons
23:14<olpcfan>different license?
23:16<pipe>Yeah, IIRC, the imagemagick authors started to mess with the license
23:16<pipe>made it more and more locked up
23:16<olpcfan>it has that feel to it -- all crufty like no one wants to hack on it
23:17<pipe>also a tecnical reason, graphicsmagick doesn't change the API, imagemagick does, so scripts might break in the future
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23:17<olpcfan>3 strikes, its out. :) man gm ftw!
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23:18<pipe>imagemagick might still have more, or at least different features that you might want, I just wanted to make you aware of the alternative if you use imagemagick a lot
23:18<pipe>(I use both of them)
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23:20<olpcfan>this is my first foray into command line image editing/conversion
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23:21<pipe>ok, well it's very useful
23:21<newtodebian>hello
23:21<pipe>I almost always use imagemagick when converting images
23:21<olpcfan>i love the possibilities though! :) totally, I think I may just read the whole man page 'for fun' :)
23:21<olpcfan>newtodebian: hi
23:21<pipe>olpcfan: "mogrify -resize 25% -quality 65 *.JPG"
23:22<pipe>olpcfan: will resize all jpegs in the directory
23:22<newtodebian>anyone know if the next release of debian is due next month?
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23:22<pipe>newtodebian: that sounds unlikely :)
23:23<newtodebian>I thought they came out with a new release once a year?
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23:23<pipe>No
23:24<pipe>Maybe that's a new goal, I don't know
23:24<pipe>But it's a standing joke on the internet how seldom debian release a new stable :)
23:25<pipe>And even if it was every year, the last stable came out in september, so that would still leave over half a year
23:25<gdb>The goal is every 18 months. Note, that's the goal, not what will actually happen.
23:25<pipe>It's good not to be anal about the date, at least for debian
23:25<gdb>The last release was February of last year, the next should be probably 3rd quarter of this year.
23:25<goodger>newtodebian: I forget when it is, but Squeeze is due to enter feature freeze at some predetermined time, after which it will be released at whatever point all the release-critical bugs have been solved
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23:26<goodger>I vaguely recall something about a nine-month pre-freeze period, but don't quote me on that...
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23:27<newtodebian>k
23:27<newtodebian>ty
23:27<pipe>< goodger> debian has a nine-month pre-freeze period
23:27<pipe>oh, sorry
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23:31<olpcfan>Victory! (Kind of)
23:32<olpcfan>pipe: FYI, in the end: gm convert -density 200x200 foo.pdf test.png
23:32<olpcfan>so simple
23:32<pipe>of course.
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23:33<olpcfan>(I had tried a variation, but the GM docs are clearer than the IM docs, which made the difference in the end. )
23:34<pipe>and as usual, you could have written out the whole PDF by hand during the time it took to find out ;)
23:35<olpcfan>pipe: but now I know for next time! :)
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23:41<kurumin>?
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23:42<pipe>ppp?
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