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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-09

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02:31<yjwork_>gimp-data have a translation error
02:31<pipe>file a bug report?
02:31<yjwork_>Who can help solve it
02:32<pipe>the person listed as a package manager
02:32<pipe>or "maintainer" is the word I'm looking for
02:32<yjwork_>No response
02:33<pipe>But why don't you file a bug report?
02:33<pipe>That's how to handle problems like that
02:33<yjwork_>Here is a translation error,in /usr/share/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/
02:33<yjwork_>It translate "don't save" to "保存(_S)",but it must be "不保存(_N)"
02:33<pipe>But I don't think it is a debian problem
02:33<pipe>It sounds like a problem with the gimp software
02:33<yjwork_>The official website has been amended
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02:34<yjwork_>My English not good
02:35<pipe>that's fine
02:35<pipe>I find
02:36<pipe>the gimp wiki is down I think
02:36<yjwork_>I ask the Translators,he said fixed it
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02:37<yjwork_>this is right
02:37<pipe>Then it will be in debian the next time the package is updated
02:38<yjwork_>MUST Debian Version of the defenders to amend
02:39<pipe>Can you write that in another way? I couldn't understand what you mean now
02:39<yjwork_>fix src gimp2.6.7/po/zh_CN.po
02:39<yjwork_>at line 9058
02:39<yjwork_>Do_n't Save 保存(_S)
02:39<yjwork_>modif :
02:39<yjwork_>Do_n't Save 不保存(_N)
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02:41<yjwork_>he said the debian must be fixed by itself
02:41<yjwork_>modif source can fixed it
02:42<yjwork_>modif gimp2.6.7/po/zh_CN.po
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02:42<yjwork_>at line 9058
02:42<yjwork_>Do_n't Save 保存(_S)
02:42<yjwork_>right is "Do_n't Save 不保存(_N)"
02:43<pipe>But I think that the debian will be corrected when the new changes from gimp is merged in to the debian package
02:44<pipe>I don't know how often that happens, maybe it will take a few weeks
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02:45<yjwork_>next release come soon,I wish it be fix
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02:46<yjwork_>pipe, thanks.
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03:08<Devil_anTraX>hi guys
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03:24<Barami>Hello :)
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03:27<Barami>Execuse me, Who can halp me to use pulseaudio and alsa?
03:28<pipe>That is quite difficult
03:28<pipe>Or at least to set up correctly
03:29<Barami>I only installed package pulseaudio
03:29<Barami>it works with applications with pulse output sink.
03:30<pipe>but you want your alsa applications to use pulsaudio too?
03:30<Barami>yes :)
03:30<pipe>I have that ;)
03:30<Barami>Single program is works.
03:30<pipe>have you looked at this website:
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03:31<Barami>I tried that.;
03:31<Barami>But Mixing alsa with pulseaudio is not work.
03:32<pipe>Don't think I can help you there
03:32<pipe>It works for me, and I don't know how to debug except for google
03:33<Barami>During alsa apps running, pulseaudio program is freeze, and also reverse is freeze..
03:33<pipe>tried that irc channel?
03:33<Barami>i joined there..
03:34<Barami>I have another problem..
03:35<Barami>pulseaudio is muted when booting..
03:35<Barami>I always unmute and grow up volume manually..
03:36<Barami>or before reboot or shutdown, I remove .pulse..
03:36<pipe>I used to have the same problem
03:36<pipe>it disappeared
03:36<pipe>but that was in ubuntu
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03:54<firefox>so, for some reason I cant get a port open even with the linux box in the dmz?
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03:57<cahoot>!tell firefox -about ask
03:58<Barami>How know about pulseaudio ALSA plug-in?
03:58<Barami>I want to alsa program throught pulseaudio..
03:58<firefox>cahoot, what more could be said than that, other than its lenny?
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04:00<cahoot>firefox: the point being you stand a better chance for an answer if you provide some meaningful information
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04:01<firefox>cahoot, the lenny box is in the routers DMZ but every external check says that the port is closed?
04:02<cahoot>anything 'listening' on the port in question? netstat -plunt would tell
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04:02<firefox>cahoot, awesome let me check
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04:06<firefox>cahoot, yeah, it has state listen
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05:00<dpkg>#544745:N[debian-installer] debian-installer fails for squeeze/lenny on epia-ex motherboard (); Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:27:02 UTC []
05:00<pipe>Someone please fix that, like, now :(
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05:28<KingKong2009>Is Synaptic able to display source packages??
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05:42<dutchfish>hi, Application: Amarok (amarok), signal: Segmentation fault; how to debug this (squeeze/X96_64)?
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05:44<dutchfish>pipe, thanks; last q, what category is this for a bug report?
05:44<dutchfish>critical, grave, etc ?
05:44<pipe>depends how often it happens and how many it happens to.
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05:45<pipe>I'd say "normal" until you know more
05:45<dutchfish>repreducable on certain action
05:45<pipe>so it can be prevented by not doing that action, so it's not that bad at least
05:45<pipe>it's a normal bug
05:45<dutchfish>ok, thanks
05:46<dpkg>well, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. Its website can be found at Ask me about <gmail>, <googleearth>, <chromium>.
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06:17<seeS>hello zing
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06:29<EmleyMoor>I just got a mobile broadband dongle and want to ignore the CD on it - I need a udev rule for that but am not sure how to make one
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06:58<EmleyMoor>Got that done - just set a rule to call pon when it is plugged in, but it seems to be starting multiple times... how can I stop it doing that
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07:03<EmleyMoor>In fact, it always seems to start exactly two pppds
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07:06<eeeuser>Is there a correct way to use quilt to patch a broken clean target?
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07:07<eeeuser>Im trying to patch a build.xml that has a clean target, but checks the ant version prior to cleaning. Quilt standard usage cant do it, because dpkg pulls the patch as part of the clean.
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07:10<eeeuser>I can sort of do it with make by putting clean ahead of unpatch, but this will break with parallel compiles.
07:11<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... very annoying - udev seems to call pon twice when I plug the stick in
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07:13<EmleyMoor>How do I make udev only call the script once?
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07:27<oznt>hi everyone, can someone give me a tip how to build a deb from the git sources taken from the debian archives?
07:28<eeeuser>you need the dsc file, not the deb
07:28<eeeuser>orig.tar.gz and the diff.gz
07:29<oznt>eeeuser, sorry, I was not clear. I don't mean the debian archive as an deb. I need to build a debian package, and it's sources can only be found in the git repo
07:30<eeeuser>thats ok.
07:30<eeeuser>If you only have the source, then simply install dpkg-buildpackage
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07:30<eeeuser>then go to the root directory of the package (the one above debian), and execute "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"
07:31<eeeuser>or possible "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc" (that last option has to do with package key signing)
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07:32<oznt>ok, I tried this, how to i get the build dependencies ?
07:33<seeS>apt-get install them
07:33<oznt>besides reading the control file ?
07:33<oznt>is there any "magic command" ?
07:33<eeeuser>run that command, it will tell you what you need to install
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07:34<seeS>apt-get build-dep mypackage
07:34<oznt>yes, that's what I meant, thanks
07:35<eeeuser>does that work if mypackage is not in the archive?
07:35<eeeuser>no. it doesnt.
07:35<oznt>eeeuser, it actually did guess it was the archive
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07:36<oznt>wunderbar, it's running now
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07:37<oznt>i don't wan't to go directly from 1.7 to 1.9 in python-moinmoin... this is a bit annoying, so I downloaded the archives from the git, and just built 1.8.5
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07:38<ml|>oznt: is this for lenny?
07:39<oznt>ml|, for the squeeze i broke yesterday
07:39<oznt>the upgrade really succeeded, but my moin set up was not working with 1.9
07:39<oznt>and also not so much with 1.7
07:39<oznt>so now It's working with 1.8.5, but there's no theme somehow
07:40<ml|>oznt: and it's not in sid?
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07:40<oznt>ml|, not that I know, it has most of the packages - gnome etc from squeeze
07:41<oznt>but should I test something to tell you if i'm wrong ?
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07:41<ml|>what's the name of the package
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07:42<ml|>pyhton-moinmoin returned nothing here
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07:42<oznt>ml|, which one ? oh, btw, I know why there's no theme, I earased it, but luckily i kept documentation in my blog
07:42<oznt>actually that's the name of the package
07:42<pipe>python-moinmoin - Python clone of WikiWiki - library
07:43<pipe>in squeeze
07:43<ml|>judd: versions python-moinmoin
07:43<judd>ml|: python-moinmoin -- etch: 1.5.3-1.2etch2 etch-security: 1.5.3-1.2etch2 lenny: 1.7.1-3+lenny1 lenny-security: 1.7.1-3+lenny2 sid: 1.8.0-1 sid: 1.8.1-1.1 squeeze: 1.8.5-1 sid: 1.9.0-1 squeeze: 1.9.0-1
07:44<ml|>you had spelled it wrong but pipe had it right
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07:44<ml|>see 1.8.5 is in squeeze
07:45<ml|>pipe: heh, right ;)
07:46<ml|>and btw I did not notice ;(
07:46<ml|>!win pipe
07:46<dpkg>Congratulations, pipe! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
07:46<pipe>I hope they work in sweden!
07:47<ml|>AOL is universal ;)
07:47<oznt>judd, squeeze has now python-moinmoin in version 1.9, where do you get this output from ?
07:47<judd>oznt: Error: "squeeze" is not a valid command.
07:47<gsimmons>ml|: judd is wrong, moin 1.9.0-1 migrated to testing on 2009-12-18.
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07:48<ml|>gsimmons: ah, judd is sometimes behind thanks
07:49<ml|>actually judd show is twice
07:49<ml|>*show's it
07:49<ml|>squeeze: 1.8.5-1 sid: 1.9.0-1 squeeze: 1.9.0-1
07:49<pipe>What's judd?
07:50<ml|>dpkg: judd
07:50<dpkg>i heard judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI-Id and kernel config information. To get a list of commands, "/msg judd list Judd" "/msg judd list Piccy" and for usage information, "/msg judd help commandname". See also <source judd> <judd-packages> <judd-hardware>.
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07:52<ml|>oznt: I see now you want to use 1.8.5 instead of 1.9 right?
07:52<oznt>ml|, yes, I'm already using
07:53<oznt>but I think later, I'll upgrade to 1.8.6
07:53<oznt>i got the theme working again
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07:54<ml|>ok, 1.9 does not work you?
07:54<oznt>ml|, it was broken, and I need to convert all my data. at the moment I'm too lazy for that
07:55<pipe>Will you be less lazy in the future?
07:55<oznt>this wiki is internal, maybe 3 people use it, me and two other phd. students
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07:55<ml|>ok, heh
07:55<oznt>pipe, I will probably find some time for that in a year ;-) Ph.D is very busy
07:55<oznt>why do you ask ?
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07:56<ml|>wouldn't it get harder for you to do that if new versions come out?
07:57<pipe>oznt: I just know that I don't tend to become LESS lazy over the years.. :)
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07:57<oznt>pipe, that's good, being less lazy means you spend less time solving problems that could be solve easily on time
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07:58*Prasetyo brb nggolet randa
07:58<oznt>however, moinmoin 1.8.X is still supported for a while, the latest and a the best also takes time
07:59<ml|>oznt: and btw is squeeze your working fine now?
07:59<ml|>wow bad sentence ;(
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07:59<oznt>ml|, not much better than my other squeeze workstations
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08:00<oznt>I liked lenny better I must admit
08:00<oznt>but I'm not lazy and I file bugs ;-)
08:00<oznt>for example, I can't print using evince, the printer just makes sounds, and doesn't print, with adobe reader i can even print duplex
08:01<pipe>Maybe you are printing to your soundcard?
08:01<oznt>before in lenny i could not do this, but at least evince worked
08:01<oznt>pipe, LOL
08:02<oznt>oh, btw, my printer does print from evince, but not everything ...
08:02<snogglethorpe>i've never gotten cups to work properly...
08:02<ml|>cups works fine here afik
08:02<oznt>snogglethorpe, it's been working great for me, always... depends if it's HP or not. Samsung printers are terrrible
08:03<ml|>oznt: atleaset you have a working squeeze install ;)
08:03<oznt>do you think this behaviour is worth a bug ?
08:03<oznt>yeah, i was a bit in panic yesterday
08:04<oznt>reinstalling everything would really take a lot of time
08:04<ml|>you could use dpkg to make it easier somewhat if you had to
08:04<ml|>or aptitude
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08:05<ml|>let's see if I remember
08:05<oznt>ml|, i know, you can get an output of all packages and re-installing them
08:05<oznt>you could save your etc
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08:06<oznt>and all that, but still veryfing that everything is working again is time consuming
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08:06<oznt>btw, I keep a copy of my /etc on svn somewhere, and I also keep backups of /var/www and some other directories on another computer
08:07<oznt>but i don't do the sync very often i admit
08:07<babilen>ml|: moin, and it's '/msg dpkg aptitude clone'
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08:08<ml|>good you have backups, but not good if you don't update them ;)
08:08<ml|>babilen: right thanks morning
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08:10<ml|>dpkg --get-selections > $HOME/package.selections <-- is another way
08:10<dpkg>ml|: I think you lost me on that one
08:10<oznt>annoying behaviour: evince failes to print some documents, while acrobat reader does everything perfectly... I'm going to open a bug
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08:11<ml|>epdfview works for me
08:12<pipe>I had to install foxit reader because evince and epdfview being so retardedly insanely slow at rending pdfs
08:12<ml|>foxit has a linux version?
08:12<pipe>Yeah, it's a little hidden and unpolished
08:12<pipe>but it works very well
08:12<oznt>pipe, it's poppler
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08:13<oznt>it very annoying, imho KDE's okular has a better engine
08:13<pipe>ml|: And it's closed source...
08:13<ml|>pipe: from their site? yes figures
08:13<oznt>see for example the long standing bug against the issue with two columns
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08:14*ml| just wondering epdfview works fine for me
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08:15<pipe> if anyone is interested anyway
08:15<pipe>had to use google to find it on their site
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08:16<ml|>pipe: thanks, I would rather use that than adobe's given a choice
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08:18<pipe>the best would of course be to optimize the free pdf readers :)
08:19<ml|>pipe: was it hard for you to build foxit?
08:19<pipe>It's just a binary :)
08:19<ml|>ah, in a tar ;0
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08:24<oznt>pipe, seriously, give okular a try, it's really good
08:24<oznt>I hope evince will catch up with them one day
08:24<oznt>I like working with gnome, but I have to admit some KDE software is really good.
08:24<pipe>oznt: I have this long standing plan of changing to KDE so I'll try that out some day
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08:25<oznt>pipe, no need to go wild, KDE4 is still unusable in my opinion. That said, the new version of KILE with vi key bindings is unbeatable even though it's beta
08:25<oznt>Okular is absolutely great
08:26<oznt>Amarok was my favourite player, but it's 2.x version is a drawback comparing to 1.4, so I still use it
08:26<oznt>for a long time I used Ktorrent, but now there's deluge, which is a better replacement
08:27<pipe>rtorrent ftw
08:27<ml|>since I don't use kde, okular would pulling a lot of stuff and will use ~162mb ;0
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08:28<oznt>pipe, I know rtorrent, also very nice. It actually downloads torrent faster than deluge, so sometime i use it on one of my servers
08:28<ml|>rtorrent is great, can't wait for official support of magnet links
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08:28<oznt>ml|, with modern hardware is this a problem ?
08:28<babilen>transmission is also worth a look
08:28<pipe>modern hardware, I have for example a laptop with a very fast solid state drive
08:28<oznt>unless of course you live in a country with dial up connection ..
08:28<pipe>I don't want it filled with crap
08:29<oznt>pipe, do you use latex?
08:29<oznt>than you can't enjoy kile, and that would already be worth that crap
08:29<oznt>btw, what is magnet links ?
08:29<pipe>I'm using dwm on this laptop
08:29<ml|>oznt: no problem but I prefer to use light apps
08:30<pipe>very slick
08:31<oznt>ml|, well ... I prefer too, but sometimes, there's no time. I use vim, but kile is so convenient and it saves time, so I let my cpu work harder ;-)
08:32<babilen>does kile supprt XeTeX?
08:32<oznt>just read wiki on this
08:32<oznt>babilen, the answer is yest
08:33<oznt>as far as I understand kile is just an editor, you could define any compilation command you want in the configure dialog
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08:33<oznt>xetex is on my aim for a while, i don't need so much font design and the KOMA suite does document wonderfully
08:34<babilen>otf fonts like linux libertine are wonderful
08:34<oznt>in anycase, I wish you all a nice weekend, I got to go
08:34<ml|>you too bye
08:34<oznt>enjoy the snow outside if you are europe ;-)
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08:36<pipe>snow rewlz
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08:47<snogglethorpe>i wish i had snow
08:47<snogglethorpe>it's just cold here
08:47<snogglethorpe>never any precipitation
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08:55<[manas]>im thinking to intall windows on other particion and i know after that i will loose my grub, so what tools i need to recover it after???
08:55<abrotman>you could use the supergrub CD to boot debian and install grub to the mbr again
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08:58<SlGSEGV>Hey, I've been trying to get my Logitech QuickCam to work with I downloaded and compiled Flashcam and rebooted my computer. Now for some reason when I attempt to join a chatroom on Stickam, firefox locks up and I have to kill it. The issues go away when I rmmod vloopback. However, this brings me back to not being able to use my webcam with Stickam. Any ideas?
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08:59<Barami>Hello :)
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09:01<Barami>Who know about pulseaudio in debian very well? please help me .;;
09:01<azeem>Barami: the Debian pulseaudio maintainer
09:01<azeem>however, I think they are not in here
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09:02<azeem>if you would ask your question, maybe some else could help you
09:02<Barami>i want to use pulseaudio system on alsa applications..
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09:03<Barami>Ubuntu in virtualbox, alsa app's output are goes to pulseaudio system and i can see stream in volume control..
09:04<Barami>But my debian host can't see alsa stream on volume control..
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09:04<azeem>you want to control the vbox guest streams in your host?
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09:05<Barami>no, i want to mixing alsa apps and pulseaudio apps..
09:05<Barami>it's able on ubuntu. but not debian..
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09:06<Barami>i want to same thing in ubuntu..
09:06<abrotman>you mean you want the same thing on Debian ?
09:07<Barami>When play audio by alsa output, appz using pulseaudio are freezed..
09:07<Barami>Also revert is same.
09:08<Barami>I want to both are play same time.
09:08<Barami>In ubuntu, it work very well..
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09:08<Barami>Buy my debian host can't play both..
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09:09<Barami>alsa apps are output this error..
09:09<Barami>"Device is busy"
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09:10<Barami>Maybe audio device is grabbed by pulseaudio.. So alsa apps are can't use audio device..
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09:11<Barami>I wrote asound.conf to change default device to pulseaudio..
09:11<pipe>But there should be a pulse-audio driver for alsa apps
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09:13<Barami>It's work. But on console, it's sound doesn't play by my sound card..
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09:14<Barami>How to set pulse-audio driver for alsa apps ?
09:15<azeem>you can set .asoundrc to use pulse I think
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09:16<Barami>i changed asound.conf to default driver to pulse..
09:16<ml|>this should help ...
09:16<Barami>alsa apps sound output is goes to pulseaudio system and i heard that..
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09:17<babilen>Barami: just in case, there is #pulseaudio on freenode
09:18<Barami>babilen, i asked there..
09:18<Barami>But also can't get correct answer..
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09:20<babilen>Barami: you might want to ask on the debian-user and Ubuntu mailing lists about this too.
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09:20<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. #pulseaudio on
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09:22<babilen>Barami: I don't use PA, so i can't help you. But you might want to study how PA is configured on Ubuntu to get some clues what you might have to change.
09:22<Barami>i know..
09:22<Barami>but on ubuntu..
09:22<Barami>it's don't use asound.conf and .asoundrc..
09:23<Barami>and don't use libao.conf
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09:23<Barami>ubuntu's /etc/asound.conf and .asoundrc files are not exist..
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09:24<Barami>but it can play alsa output and pulseaudio output same time,
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09:25<Barami>Also it can play audio on console.
09:25<Barami>not X-windows..
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09:25<Barami>i think its mysterious..
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09:27<babilen>Barami: Write to the MLs .. I guess someone subscribed to these lists is able to help you.
09:27<babilen>Barami: would love to help you, but I have no experience with PA whatsoever
09:27<SlGSEGV>Does anyone know of any alternatives to VLoopBack or perhaps why it's causing my flash to lag out and my and firefox to freeze/crash while it's module is loaded?
09:27<ml|>can't hurt to search ML also
09:27<babilen>yeah ^^^
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09:29<SlGSEGV>Oh this isn't good. Firefox is behaving just as strange even when I unload the vloopback module.
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09:29<eeeuser>SIGSEGV: avld is another project
09:30<SlGSEGV>I might look into it. I'm thinking maybe it's this flashcam I installed.
09:30<SlGSEGV>Since vloopback isn't even loaded.
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09:30<SlGSEGV>Youtube and such works fine but whenever I join rooms and such on Stickam firefox locks up
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09:32<SlGSEGV>Actually does anyone know why WebcamStudio isn't showing any options to output to vloopback? I could use that as an alternative to FlashCam
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09:32<DebZhila>is there a way to quickly cancel Ctrl+Alt+Del?
09:33<abrotman>how quickly?
09:33<pipe>You can disable it in /etc/inittab
09:33<pipe>I think
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09:33<DebZhila>well... just a bit ago, I meant to hit Ctrl+Alt+F7 but hit Ctrl+Alt+Del instead
09:34<abrotman>pipe: i think he means a shut down in progress .. which by the time he joins IRC is probably too late ...
09:34<pipe>That's just crazy
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09:34<pipe>So I assumed it wasn't that
09:34<atomo>ehi non ce nessuno?
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09:35<DebZhila>hmm... disabling it might be nice, considering I always use the reboot command to reboot anyway
09:35<pipe>Hm, next time I'm incredibly bored I could join various open source channels and only type in swedish
09:36<pipe>DebZhila: open up that file and search for "ctrlaltdel"
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09:36<abrotman>italian ?
09:36<pipe>DebZhila: But I've never tried changing it, if you uncomment the line there might be a hardcoded value
09:37<abrotman>like the sysrq stuff
09:37<pipe>Could set it to execute /bin/false
09:37<DebZhila>pipe: hah, that's what I was just about to suggest, heheheh
09:38<K0JIbKA>Hi all!:-D
09:38<dpkg>it has been said that sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b for reBoot. See and kernel /Documentation/sysrq.txt See also <sysrqd>.
09:40<K0JIbKA>There's a question. How to mute speakers while headphones are stick into in-jack? I run Deb Lenny on my laptop.
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09:42<fossiiil>gnuplot seems to not recognize circles...not compiled-in support?
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10:04<pipe>yes, very good
10:04<frokostposer>i hoped noone would notice :/
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10:16<grazymax>hi all
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10:17<dpkg>somebody said top was a command to "display top CPU processes," but top can handle more ('man top' for more info). Try: `top' and to quit, just 'q';; The Other Peter
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10:35<Peter_Ziegler>Hallo alle zusammen, bin neu hier und im Chat überhaupt. Lese einfach mal still mit.
10:35<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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10:39<pipe>utente_119: what is that
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11:03<EmleyMoor>How do I set a rule for pon to run just once when my USB 3G modem is connected?
11:03<EmleyMoor>(I have one set to detect creation of /dev/ttyUSB0, but that makes it run twice)
11:04<pipe>Maybe ttyUSB0 is created twice
11:04<pipe>in a short timespan
11:04<EmleyMoor>If I set it to detect an "option" device it runs loads of times.
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11:06<EmleyMoor>I need to find something it can work on that makes it only happen once, obviously
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11:08<pipe>A seriously crude hack until you find out for real is to timestamp a file and if the difference is too small (less than a minute) then skip it..
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11:09<cahoot>or check for existing ppp0?
11:09<lee_lvd>hello all
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11:12<lee_lvd>I am having a problem with my new install, some how I have set something wrong and if I switch users or reboot when I get to the login screen it is a blank page, I still hear the sound but cant see what is happening. I did get i think uninstall gdm and then i did a get install gdm
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11:13<lee_lvd>all that did was drop the curreny GUI of gnome and then reinstall it
11:13<lee_lvd>I still have the issue of a black screen at the login screen
11:14<lee_lvd>I have had this setup for about 2 week
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11:14<lee_lvd>I am sure it is some thing i turned off or on some where but did it day one and since then i have forgotten what i did
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11:17<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that's what's happening - double create. I obviously need to build in a sholt delay
11:17<pipe>usb is a bit volatile
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11:18<cahoot>lee_lvd: I'd try to boot into rescue/single user mode and run dpkg-reconfigure gdm
11:18<debalan>i'm about to install win7 and i wanted to know how to not fuck up my grub loader... can anyone help?
11:18<EmleyMoor>I put a "poff on remove" rule in and it SIGTERM'd the first pppd
11:18<lee_lvd>ok i can try that
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11:18<lee_lvd>thanks for the idea
11:19<EmleyMoor>Does udev log what it's doing anywhere?
11:20<cahoot> udevadm monitor?
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11:21<pipe>debalan: You could take a backup of the first 512 byte of the harddrive (not the partition, but the actual device)
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11:21<pipe>debalan: Then if windows overwrites it, you just write it back with a live cd and boot to linux, where you can run update-grub2 or something
11:22<debalan>thanks pipe.
11:22<pipe>Of course, everyone always have an updated backup of all his important files anyway, right? :)
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11:28<EmleyMoor>Any way to send udevadm's output to a file?
11:29<babilen>EmleyMoor: '> file'
11:29<EmleyMoor>babilen: Tried that - ineffective
11:30<babilen>how so?
11:30<EmleyMoor>Still outputs to terminal
11:30<babilen>it does?
11:30<babilen>redirect stderr too ..
11:31<EmleyMoor>Still outputs to terminal
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11:32<babilen>*shrug* - it's not over here ..
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11:33<pipe>2>&1 >blah.txt
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11:34<themill>or just &> blah.txt
11:34<EmleyMoor>Got it
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11:35<EmleyMoor>It seems ttyUSB0 is being added four times
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11:35<EmleyMoor>--- over the course of 600 milliseconds
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11:36*EmleyMoor thinks adding a short sleep should help
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11:43<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... mildly odd still but it works
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11:59<lee_lvd>Hello cahoot are you still around?
12:00<lee_lvd>i did as you suggested and it shows me Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm.
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12:01<lee_lvd>should it do any thing else?
12:01<cahoot>but no actual reconfiguration?
12:01<lee_lvd>nothing that I can see
12:02<cahoot>lee_lvd: try dpkg-reconfigure gdm -p low?
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12:04<lee_lvd>i typed including the ? and it said ingoring invalid priority, valid are low mediunm high critical so i got rid of the "?" and it gave the same responce as above
12:05<lee_lvd>Scheduling reload of GNOME Display Manager configuration: gdm
12:05<cahoot>lee_lvd: ok - no further idea
12:06<lee_lvd>i typed gdm and I heard the sound for the login but the screen was still blank
12:08<lee_lvd>maybe if i changed from GNOME to some thing else
12:08<lee_lvd>how would I do that?
12:09<cahoot>as I understand it gnome isn't really active yet
12:10<lee_lvd>then i am at a loss how do i tell what i am using?
12:11<cahoot>lee_lvd: anyway I doubt changing DE would help you
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12:11<lee_lvd>i am a loss as to what to do
12:11<lee_lvd>logging in on a black sceen is not an easy task
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12:41<squiddy>hi, i got this situation after watching a movie for approx 2 hrs, browsing, and in the middle of downloading a file with 3 iceweasel windows active. my system uses more than 1 gig of RAM. is it normal ? FYI, i've never had this on ubuntu.
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12:42<edhunter>squiddy: i currently use more than 1gig with one IW window. IW really knows how to consume ur ram :p
12:42<pipe>squiddy: welcome to the bloat that is gnome and firefox
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12:43<abrotman>it's not really gnome
12:43<abrotman>squiddy: you can use 'top' to see what's using it
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12:43<pipe>so xorg is using all that memory by itself?
12:43<squiddy>edhunter & pipe: LOL :D but i really really never had this on ubuntu. ubuntu uses gnome and FF too, ya ?
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12:43<pipe>squiddy: I have that all the time on ubuntu
12:44<squiddy>abrotman: it is ff with 4.4 of RAM
12:44<edhunter>squiddy: i use kde and back in my ubuntu days FF was still using much ram (not gnome)
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12:44<abrotman>pipe: he never said he was using gnome ?
12:44<abrotman>squiddy: 4.4? 4.4 what?
12:45<pipe>abrotman: so?
12:45<abrotman>squiddy: paste the output of 'free -m' in
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12:45<squiddy>abrotman: u told me to use 'top', it says FF using 4.4 under the %MEM section
12:45<abrotman>okay .. i'll make baseless claims too
12:45<Neilrw>hi there, was wondering if anyone could help with a basic routing issue
12:45<pipe>squiddy: are you using gnome
12:45<abrotman>kde hogs RAM even if you don't have it installed!
12:46<squiddy>pipe: yes
12:46<abrotman>it's just a hog!
12:46<pipe>abrotman: there.
12:46<edhunter>squiddy: currently IW is using 16% of my ram (by far the highest usage) and i got 3gigs here so..
12:46<abrotman>squiddy: if you type 'free -m' .. what does the buffers/cache line say ?
12:47<Neilrw>i'm trying to route between to local subnets (0.x and 1.x)
12:47<abrotman>you have plenty of free RAM
12:47<abrotman>!tell squiddy about free ram
12:47<pipe>He already said he's using 1 of 3GB
12:48<Neilrw>using route add -net default gw eth0 , to try to get the gateway of the 0.x to go be the 1.x interface
12:48<squiddy>abrotman: i am, thanks hehe
12:48<squiddy>but, i was wondering is IW really that hog ?
12:48<abrotman>squiddy: it can be .. it's not really IW .. many browsers now act the same
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12:48<abrotman>or rather .. it's not just IW
12:49<squiddy>edhunter: 16% from 3gigs ? well i'm on 40.4% from 3 gigs :D
12:50<pipe>squiddy: Check out if you're tired of such incredible waste of resources that the bloatware of today is :)
12:50<squiddy>pipe: thanks, i'm going now
12:51<edhunter>squiddy: damn! well u do have 3 windows open. i only have one (with many many tabs)
12:51<abrotman>squiddy: how long has the browser been running ?
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12:52<Neilrw>when i try to add that route i get 'no such process' as an error
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12:52<squiddy>abrotman: 6 hrs.
12:52<abrotman>you must have been doing some serious browsing
12:52<squiddy>edhunter: yes :D
12:53<pipe>Neilrw: Not that I'm a pro on route, but should you have the "-net" there?
12:53<squiddy>abrotman: well u can say so. is it effecting ?
12:53<pipe>Neilrw: I mean, don't you need to define the net if you use the -net
12:53<Neilrw>thanks pipe, i'll give it a shot without
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12:54<abrotman>squiddy: yes .. if you close the browser, and reopen it .. even with the same tabs, it will drop quite a bit
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12:54<Neilrw>same error without net unfortunately
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12:55<squiddy>abrotman, edhunter & pipe: thanks so much. i'll try to close IW first and see the result
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12:57<Neilrw>Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
12:57<Neilrw> U 0 0 0 eth1
12:57<Neilrw> U 0 0 0 eth0
12:57<Neilrw> UG 0 0 0 eth1
12:57<pipe>Neilrw: no
12:57<pipe>Neilrw: ffs
12:57<pipe>in topic in very big letters: NO FLOOD
12:57<pipe>/msg dpkg paste
12:58<Neilrw>does 4 lines constitute a flood?
12:58<Neilrw>sorry then
12:58<Neilrw>not really an irc user
12:59<perot_lo_lladre>hahaha networks experiences
12:59<pipe>Well, it *might* be fine if someone actually asks you to paste the information
12:59<Neilrw>is there a networking specific room on irc.debian?
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13:00<edhunter>hmm shouldnt the gw for eth1 be eth0 and vice-versa?
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13:00<pipe>Neilrw: I don't think so
13:01<Barami>Finally, i removed pulseaudio on my debian..
13:01<Lethalman>edhunter, why?
13:02<Neilrw>i dont think you cna remove that ed, since the network is auto added
13:02<Barami>The problem with pulseaudio has disapeared from my desktop. MY headache are gone..
13:02<edhunter>Lethalman: was under the impression that this is the way it works and makes sense to me since he wants to route eth1 traffic to eth0 (well thats what i understood)
13:02<lom>could anyone help me? I've got a problem with my usb wifi in debian 5
13:02<Neilrw>other way around, but thanks ed, i'll give it a shot
13:03<edhunter>Neilrw: forgive me. i have the tendency to misread things ;)
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13:04<abrotman>squiddy: and ?
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13:05<lom>I've installe the first CD of Debian 5 and my USB wifi don't work
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13:05<pipe>lom: what is your usb wifi?
13:05<squiddy>abrotman: sorry i forgot to reply :D well it does release some amount of RAM
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13:05<Dreamlinux>hi folks how are you :)
13:05<squiddy>thanks again
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13:06<abrotman>lom: do you know the chipset ?
13:06<lom>if i write in console lsusb give "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0ace: 1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L WiFi
13:07<abrotman>!tell lom about zd1211rw
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13:07<lom>Ok, if i write lsmod it gives me
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13:08<abrotman>lom: you need to install the firmware package .. do you have a wired connection you can use ?
13:08*pipe prepares for 60 lines of lsmod output :)
13:08<lom>zd1211rw 39876 0" and "usbcore 118224 4 zd1211rw,usbhid,uhci_hcd"
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13:09<lom>then i've got the modules or not?
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13:09<pipe>You've got the module
13:09<pipe>But not all of it
13:10<squiddy>abrotman: how do you know the chipset is zd1211rw ? may i know ?
13:10<pipe>the firmware is the code that runs in the actual hardware
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13:12<lom>How I can install the firmware?
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13:13<cahoot>lom: try aptitude search firmware
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13:13<lom>Is the firmware ?
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13:14<pipe>Take a guess
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13:15<pipe>But I'd guess "yes"
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13:17<lom>Ok, i'll download in this PC and then i'll install it in the pc with debian. I'm back in two minutes
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13:34<lom>ok, i've installed the firmware
13:34<lom>...and reboot the pc
13:35<lom>now, I can see the wifi networks in network-manager......Wow!
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13:36<pipe>now, how was it
13:36<pipe>!win lom
13:36<dpkg>Congratulations, lom! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
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13:38<lom>dpkg: ?????? No thanks, I prefer to stay here. It's not so cold
13:38<dpkg>lom: i don't know
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13:39<lom>Ok, now i'm trying to connect to my wifi network
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13:44<lom>ok, i'm conected to internet in my debian pc
13:44<lom>thank you very much
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13:45<lom>thank you pipe, abrotman, cahoot...
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13:47<ebrosius>someone have a good link for me how to deal with libssl and license exception?
13:48<ebrosius>lintian gives me a warning
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13:52<abrotman>ebrosius: does your application have an exception ?
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13:53<ebrosius>no, i am trying to build a debian package. and lintian gives me a warning for libssl
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13:58<chealer>!wayttd ebrosius
13:58<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, ebrosius?
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14:00<ebrosius>i build a debian package run lintian -i <package>.changes. this gives me the warning: possible-gpl-code-linked-with-openssl.
14:01<ebrosius>i have no idea how a license exception looks like
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14:03<babilen>!tell ebrosius -about mentors
14:03<babilen>ebrosius: you should ask in there ^^^^
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14:03<mouhcine>allu je suis nouveau sous backtrack 4
14:04<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
14:04<mouhcine>tu peux m'aide ?
14:04<pipe>mouhcine: vi pratar inte franska :(
14:04<babilen>mouhcine: or ask in English :-D
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14:05<themill>In any case, it should be #remote-exploit on not here.
14:05<ebrosius>hm babilen , i think just override the warning will not solve the license problem?
14:05<wnd>ebrosius, also see (and /usr/share/lintian/checks/copyright-file to see how lintian checks for libssl)
14:05<pipe>themill: and he already left
14:05<babilen>ebrosius: ask mentors and (maybe) debian-legal
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14:06<ebrosius>k, thx babilen. and thx wnd for the link
14:06<themill>ebrosius: can you stick debian/copyright and upstream's licence description in a pastebin?
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14:15<jarco>Hello, Is it possible to change the rights of a folder on my windows disk while i am in ubuntu. If i try it now the changes i make revert back even before i press close.
14:16<pipe>I'd check 'ntfsprogs'
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14:17<cor_r>jarco, ubuntu related questions on freenode , ubuntu
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14:17<jarco>ohw sorry. Normaly xchat defaults me to the ubuntu channel . My apologies
14:18<pipe>so it is an ubuntu regression
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14:38<Beryllium>I like to equate this place with the oracle at Delphi
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14:38<Beryllium>I bring some sort of offering and receive sage advice
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14:39<pipe>you don't bring offering
14:39<Beryllium>It was a joke
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14:40<pipe>>::::O - octoclops demand sacrifice
14:40<Beryllium>Anyway, I have a USB webcam that is recognized and supported by gspca, but camorama complains that it can't capture the image
14:40<Beryllium>What can I do?
14:40<pipe>try another program
14:40<Beryllium>What's another program I can try?
14:41<pipe>hmhm, uvccapture, webcam, luvcview
14:42<pipe>I think I've used camstream too, can't remember what I'veused
14:42<cahoot>wouldn't at öeast two of those presume uvcvideo?
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14:45<Beryllium>luvcview throws a different error
14:45<Beryllium>ERROR: Requested frame format MJPG is not available and no fallback format was found.
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14:47<pipe>so the camera is a logitech vista
14:48<cahoot>Beryllium: got mplayer?
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14:49<cahoot>if so you might try something like: mplayer -v tv:// -tv device=/dev/video0:driver=v4l2:outfmt=yuy2 > -vc rawyuy2 -fps 15 -vo xv
14:50<Beryllium>What will that do?
14:50<pipe>Beryllium: is it a camera with ov519 chipset?
14:50<cahoot>possibly show a picture
14:50<Beryllium>pipe: not sure, how would I find out?
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14:52<pipe>Beryllium: dmesg | grep ov5
14:52<Beryllium>pipe: No output, so I'm guessing not
14:53<pipe>then I'll go back to whatever it was I forgot that I was doing
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15:03<handheldCar>can anyone help me connect to a silc server using irssi-plugin-silc?
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15:05<JigabuMemin>That is what you get for lying!
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15:07<pipe>no idea
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15:07<pipe>but I found it amusing
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15:07<abrotman>he repeated the bad spam .. which basically got him klined
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15:07<pipe>so I will not question
15:08<rockroach>I need help with a grub error 17. I've tried re-installing with the rescue system -- no help. I've checked with fdisk, partitions are in the correct order.
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15:09<rockroach>In the rescue system when I drop to a shell and run grub, grub can find menu.lst or /sbin/init.
15:10<rockroach>I've tried googling, but that hasn't given me any info that helped.
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15:13<goodger>rockroach: have you run update-grub?
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15:14<rockroach>No goodger, it wasn't in the instructions I found while googling.
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15:15<rockroach>Will it need Net access? The pc I'm trying to fix isn't attached to the Net.
15:15<goodger>it won't
15:15<goodger>it's responsible for generating menu.lst, IIRC, so that's the first thing I'd try
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15:22<rockroach>goodger: In theory grub should be able to boot up without a menu.lst file and then just drop to a grub prompt. grub not finding the menu.lst may be a symptom of another problem.
15:23<rockroach>Do you know a good reference for error 17 causes. I've googled but keep on running into dead links.
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15:24<dpkg>methinks grub.errors is GRUB error X? go to to find out what it means
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15:32<rockroach>According to that error 17 is grub not liking the filesystem type. How can that be since the Debian installer setup both?
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15:32<goodger>rockroach: have you made any changes to your partition schema?
15:33<rockroach>In which way goodger?
15:33<goodger>did you remove or add any filesystems?
15:33<rockroach>There's one extra drive that wasn't there when the initial install was run.
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15:35<rockroach>Debians on hda1, the new drive is hdc1 and the there is sda, sdb, sdc and sdd.
15:35<goodger>did you add it in such a way that the original drive might be treated as the second drive, rather than first, by the system?
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15:37<rockroach>goodger: hda is on the first controller all by it's self, hdc is on it's own controller all by it's self. The rest are on 2 raid cards.
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15:38<goodger>and did you try removing hdc?
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15:38<rockroach>Yes, no difference. Something's gone horribly wrong somewhere. If only I knew where. :-/
15:39<goodger>well, it sounds to me like Grub is being pointed at the wrong hard disk
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15:40<rockroach>Yeah. I looked at menu.lst -- it's right. Does grub store any settings internal to itself?
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15:42<goodger>I think there's a file somewhere that maps (hd0,0) to (hda1) and such
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15:43<rockroach>2 of the other drives used to be used for Ubuntu. The system files are still, but the boots flag is off and grub has been wiped from the boot sectors. Could that still be confusing grub?
15:44<rockroach>*still there
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15:44<goodger>one would hope not
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15:46<rockroach>Yeah. I'll detach both of them tomorrow and try to boot up.
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15:46<rockroach>I've got to say goodnight. Thanks for the help goodger. :-)
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15:56<saiv>всем привет
15:57<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
15:57<saiv>oh, sorry. ok
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16:15<kleanchap>I have basic system installed on my eeepc. How do I install new packages on the system? I need X windows first and then development tools.
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16:17<themill>kleanchap: #debian is the right place for this question (not #debian-mentors, read it's /topic), and don't ask in several places at the same time as that's pretty rude.
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16:53<rex>hello, what is the best way to convert audio in lenny, for example wav to mp3?
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16:57<chahibi>rex: sox is easy enough
16:57<dpkg>methinks sox is imagemagick for audio
16:57<rex>oh gotcha
16:57<rex>what is it
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16:57<rex>what language is it written in
16:58<chahibi>rex: C, check its manpage
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17:06<rex>chahibi: thank you !
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17:21<rex>i'm trying to use sox and i get this error : "sox soxio: Can't open output file `test.mp3': unknown file type `mp3'"
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17:23<fred1>you are trying to create an mp3?
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17:29<fred1>hang on. my ketboard is going wokny
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17:29<fred1>ok thats better
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17:30<fred1>im not sure sox supports mp3 as an output file type. you might have better luck with lame
17:30<dpkg>[lame] Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues, see and Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> and <rarewares>. Upstream sources at
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17:31<rex>what can i use to convert wav to mp3 in lenny ?
17:31<fred1>which pretty much means that anything that can encode mp3's runs afould of the same patent, and is not distributed as part of debian
17:31<fred1>that doesnt mean you cant install it from a non-debian source
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17:32<fred1>as noted above ^
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17:33<musca>rex: did you read? Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia>
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17:33<fred1>if you are ripping cd's 'grip' is a handy tool
17:34<fred1>anyway, i was starting to ask, when my keyboard decided to start sending infinite repeating 'o's,
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17:36<fred1>if I wanted to install a base debian system, customize it a bit (remove some packages, add some), and then take the majority of the 'space' taken up and write it to a DVD, and comine that with unionfs and a usbstick, such that I could take the pair to a random (but modern) machine, be able to boot (either from the stick or the dvd, doesnt matter), and end up with a basic working system that would store 'writes' on the usbstick.. what would be the most straight
17:36<fred1>forward way to do that?
17:37<fred1>obviously id want a fairly wide range of X-servers, nic drivers, etc included..
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17:37<fred1>basically I need a 'portable' setup with firefox, ssh, and a couple other packages.. doesnt need much else. but I need it to be strictly on removable/portable media
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17:48<vook>I imagine that this is a bit OT, but I just abandoned PC's and got a Mac - can't wait to set it up to dual boot. The question is, if I'm going to have a shared "archive" partition, should I set it up hfs+ or should I create a linux partition that Mac reads from. So far I haven't been able to get the Mac ext3 package to install. Does anyone know of any Linux filesystems that have good Mac support (anything, jfs, xfs, reiserfs...).
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18:14<fred1>if I use a cd/dvd image, and add a 'live-rw' partition on the usb key, will software installation from aptitute/synaptic have persistence too?
18:15<fred1>and what I'd really like to do, is get that live environment booted, do some customization, and then remaster the cd/dvd to include the packages ive added
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18:42<Tuplad>so annoying :o where can I find the debian repo addresses ?
18:43<Tuplad>for in sources.list
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18:44<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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18:44<dpkg>somebody said debian mirrors was or | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see or, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>.
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18:57<edbian>I'm have a debian file server (samba and nfs) I created a folder for each server (/server and /nfs) What should the permissions be on these folders? Who should own them?
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19:00<seeS>that really depends what you want to do
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19:01<edbian>seeS, I want to let other users access the files in said folders?
19:01<seeS>ie, I have a bunch of mp3s on my samba share, its read only so i made them world-readable
19:01<seeS>edbain: just like normal users locally.
19:01<seeS>edbain: ie, if only one user can "see" them then make them owned by them
19:02<edbian>seeS, oo, I get it. Depends on how I want to let other users access the file in those folders right?
19:02<seeS>edbain: exactly
19:02<edbian>seeS, Is there any security issues I should be worried about? Particularly the executability
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19:03<seeS>edbain: do you want you to write, some others to read and everyone else nothing, youd make the files rw-r----- and put the "others" in a group that owned the files
19:03<seeS>edbain: nothing much more than if they were sitting on that server
19:03<edbian>seeS, I understand the basics of permissions. Thank you for the help!
19:03<seeS>edbain: doint worry about executable, because if anything they run it on "their" computer not the server
19:04<edbian>seeS, ok
19:04<edbian>seeS, What about my web site files? I have the whole site in /var/www/ like it should be. Who should own these files? www-data? I noticed that pictures need to be executable (which is odd in my mind).
19:05<seeS>pictures dont need to be executable
19:05<edbian>not pictures
19:05<edbian>I meant folders
19:05<seeS>the website location wholy depends on your DocumentRoot and Alias settings inside apache
19:06<seeS>yes, folders (directories!) need to be executable
19:06<edbian>seeS, I'm asking what is the "right" or "proper" way to do things is.
19:06<edbian>seeS, Who should own these files? Me?
19:06<seeS>almost always if you want someone to "read" the directory you want them to "execute" it too
19:07<seeS>ok, for a webserver, the webserver user and/or group needs to be able to read the file
19:07<seeS>ie they own it or the www-data user is in a group that has read permissions
19:07<edbian>seeS, ok thank you :)
19:08<edbian>seeS, You're very helpful.:)
19:08<seeS>no worries. unix permissions are wierd, but once you know them they are pretty good
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19:08<edbian>Last question: Is there a way to make NFS shares browseable in nautilus?
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19:09<edbian>seeS, Or dolphin
19:09<seeS>well if it is mounted then its like a normal file
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19:09<edbian>seeS, Yeah, I know how to mount it or put it in fstab. I'm curious if there is a way to find NFS servers and NFS shares using a file browser / manager
19:09<seeS>edbain: i suspect one of those gnome vfs things could do it
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19:10<seeS>ah, I'm pretty sure they're not announced
19:10<edbian>seeS, I'll look into it. Thank you again for your help :)
19:10<edbian>seeS, Different than samba then huh
19:10<seeS>np, good luck
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19:10<seeS>samba uses CIFS which announces stuff
19:12<edbian>seeS, IC
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20:03<fred1>does debian live really load the entire fs into tmpfs ramdisk?
20:03<fred1>I mean, for a 500M+ livecd, trying to boot on a machine with only 512M ram...
20:04<fred1>cant see why it doesnt just mount the main fs from a subdir or loopmount of the CD, and then make a unionfs with it in a tmpfs
20:04<fred1>or maybe it does
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21:09<kf_>hello every
21:09<kf_>i try to compliz a new kernel
21:10<kf_>but it can't boot
21:10<kf_>it displays that can't find the modules.dep
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21:10<kf_>who can help me
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21:11<kf_>thank you very much
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21:12<adb>run depmod , see man depmod
21:12<kf_>everybody,help me please .i have find in google and baidu.but it didn't be solved no
21:12<kf_>i have try it yesterday.
21:13<kf_>depmod -a
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21:17<kf_>anybody can help me ? thank you so much.
21:17<adb>!kernel mantra
21:17<dpkg>well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>.
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21:20<adb>kf_, that command will get you a debian kernel package , and may install it with dpkg -i name.deb , problem solved
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21:21<kf_>i have do that
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21:21<kf_>i have downloaded a source file,and make ,make install
21:22<kf_>and make menuconfig
21:22<kf_>make modules
21:22<kf_>make modules_install
21:23<kf_>the problems is still that.
21:24<Nemoder>that is not the same as using make-kpkg
21:25<kf_>what ?if i need use the command make-kpkg?
21:26<kf_>but i can find the file modules.dep in /lib/modules/2.6.32
21:26<kf_>but when i boot the kernel it is displays :fatal:could not load /lib/modules/ :no such file or directory
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21:28<kf_>how i can solve my problem?
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21:29<kf_>help me,thank you very much.
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21:33<kf_>i will be crazy soon
21:34<Nemoder>kf_: follow the kp mantra instructions to build a kernel package
21:35<kf_>where is it ?
21:35<Nemoder>!kp mantra
21:35<dpkg>from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an <initrd>.
21:36<Nemoder>kf_: or follow this if you need it simple:
21:36<Nemoder>though I would include the --initrd if you base your settings off an existing debian kernel
21:37<kf_>i will try it !thank you ,i will tell you the result
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21:44<ml|>for compiling a kernel, using make-kpkg does not get any easier; of course you still need to adjust .config file as needed or how you want
21:45<ml|>dpkg: make-kpkg
21:45<dpkg>hmm... make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
21:45<kf_>why this method is easy than my?
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21:46<ml|>and this should be read as well
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21:47<kf_>i know i s make mrproper make menuconfig than make make install and make modules make modules_install depmod -a the last it is need to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst
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21:52<ml|>kf_: use the method you like you have several options above; but using make-kpkg is way easier imho, should also use fakeroot make-kpkg ....
21:52<kf_>thank you,everyone.i like here.
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21:53<kf_>all you can tell me some i haven't know .
21:54<Nemoder>why did all my fonts lose their AA in the last testing update :(
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21:54<Nemoder>hm only in QT apps, GTK apps look good :s
21:55<ml|>kf_: and grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo <-- if that returns '2' for example you can then ... export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 that way it will compile faster
21:55<kf_>/proc/cpuinfo < grep -C processor
21:56<kf_>it will be faster?is this?
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21:56<ml|>this what I use after using make oldconfig or make menuconfig ... fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=host-name.revision# kernel_image kernel_headers
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21:56<ml|>kf_: yes if you have more than one core
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21:57<ml|>then install both with dpkg -i
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21:58<ml|>also not a bad idea to backup the .deb's you just built
21:59<kf_>if this deb file will suit for other computers?
21:59<ml|>Nemoder: hmm, I don't notice that here
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22:00<Nemoder>ml|: it's strange, it is only the default fonts, if i use custom TT fonts in the app windows they look fine but all the menus etc are hard to read now
22:00<ml|>kf_: that depends on the .config that was used, like if you remove something that is needed on another system
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22:02<ml|>Nemoder: I set qt settings with 'qtconfig' so they all use the same settings
22:03<Nemoder>ml|: yeah I just looked at that, doesn't matter what font I use none of it gets antialiased there
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22:03<Nemoder>maybe i can force it in fonts.conf
22:03<ml|>this what I use ... family:DejaVu Sans Mono, style:Normal, point size:9
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22:04<ml|>in the update today there was some font stuff going on
22:05<kf_><Nemoder> ML ,thank you very much .
22:05<Nemoder>ml|: interesting, i tried that font and it worked, so it's only some of my fonts that lost it
22:05<ml|>kf_: np, good luck
22:06<Nemoder>ml|: if I use Ariel for example it's broken
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22:07<ml|>Nemoder: when I updated today, aptitude wanted to remove ttf-dejavu and I had to correct that, so check that the font you want to use is still installed
22:07<Nemoder>yeah they are installed, even have some custom ones in my user dir
22:08<ml|>hmm, weird
22:08<Nemoder>maybe it is just .ttf fonts that no longer work
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22:08<ml|>well dejavu is ttf
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22:09<Nemoder>ml|: do you have the mscorefonts installed?
22:09<Nemoder>and they look fine for you?
22:09<ml|>haven't noticed anything odd in iceweasel
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22:16<snogglethorpe>is there a trick to using -flto in gcc-4.5?
22:16<snogglethorpe>i tried compiling everythign just adding that option, but the output program is identical to the same program without it...
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22:18<Nemoder>ml|: looks like somebody else is hit with it too
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22:20<ml|>Nemoder: is the same? it is an old bug
22:20<Nemoder>ml|: yes, and somebody added to it yesterday at the bottom
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22:22<kf_>my god,kernel panic - not syncing:vfs:unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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22:23<ml|>Nemoder: to test I tried Arial and it looks good here; but I prefer DejaVu
22:23<toastycow>Can some1 point me to a system restore/time machine software for debian?
22:23<ml|>it's AA here
22:23<ml|>Nemoder: ^
22:23<Nemoder>ml|: if it is the same bug then it's likely there is another font package that broke something like before
22:24<Nemoder>maybe I can start removing them and see if i can find which
22:24<toastycow>I'm set up a mail server now and I really don't mess it up. So I need a system restore state software for lenny. thank you.
22:24<kf_>my god,kernel panic - not syncing:vfs:unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
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22:24<ml|>Nemoder: good luck and yes I noticed the lasy message, should've opened a new bug
22:25<Nemoder>kf_: did you compile the fs you need as a module and forgot --initrd?
22:26<kf_>i choose the save an alternate configuration file
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22:26<ml|>kf_: in my line I don't use initrd maybe that is the cause or some option you left out when you use make oldconfig or make menuconfig
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22:27<kop>toastycow: rsnapshot, dirvish, LVM snapshots all come to mind.
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22:27<kop>toastycow: aptitude search '~Gbackup' |less
22:28<ml|>toastycow: I prefer rsnapshot /msg dpkg rsnapshot for more info
22:29<Nemoder>Is there a list of recent changes to squeeze somewhere?
22:29<ml|>Nemoder: do you use apt-listbugs?
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22:30<ml|>dpkg: atp-listbugs
22:30<dpkg>ml|: are you smoking crack?
22:30<ml|>dpkg: apt-listbugs
22:30<dpkg>apt-listbugs (aptitude install apt-listbugs) is available since at least Sarge. When installed, it will fetch the list of critical <BTS> bugs that pertain to any packages being installed. Modern releases allow you to pin a version to prevent upgrades to any packages you discover to be too risky (see <pinning>). Older releases only allowed holding (see <hold>).
22:30<ml|>Nemoder: for future use
22:31<Nemoder>Right now I'm just trying to figure out which of these font packages were updated recently
22:31<ml|>I get mail when updating that shows changes etc... and I save them just incase
22:31<toastycow>kop: thx you
22:32<gsimmons>ml|: That's provided by apt-listchanges, not apt-listbugs.
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22:32<ml|>gsimmons: oh got them mixed up
22:33<ml|>but both should be installed regardless
22:33<ml|>for testing and sid users
22:33<Nemoder>I have apt-listchanges installed
22:33<Nemoder>thought I'm not sure how to use it :)
22:34<kop>ml|: Now I remember why I wrote my own; rsnapshot still does not push.
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22:37<ml|>Nemoder: man apt-listchanges it will show you an example here is mine ...
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22:38<ml|>which it's in /etc/apt/listchanges.conf
22:38<Nemoder>ml|: found the problem, wesnoth pulled in ttf-wqy-zenhei which broke the fonts
22:38<Nemoder>removed it and they are fine now
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22:38<ml|>!congratulate Nemoder
22:38<dpkg>Good show Nemoder, you did it!
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22:39<ml|>Nemoder: you might want to disable installing of recommends
22:40<Nemoder>ml|: I usually go over them pretty carefully, I guess I just didn't expect an extra font to mess up other ones
22:40<ml|>it happens ;)
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22:41<ml|>kop: so you wrote something like rsnapshot that adds pushing?
22:43<Nemoder>I use rsnapshot, but what is pushing?
22:43<ml|>gsimmons: thanks btw
22:44<ml|>Nemoder: like when you use rsync to do the same
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22:46<gls>anyone came from PRC?
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23:19<aidalgol>I'm trying to use the installer (CD) in expert mode, and I can't figure out how to tell the partitioner how to use encrypted partitions after I create them (that is, declare without actually writitng changes to the disk).
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23:24<aidalgol>I thought I might have to actually create that partition to be able to use it, but the partitioner doesn't let me continue without specifying a root partition (which I can't really do yet).
23:24<aidalgol>Does anyone know how to do this?
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23:26<aidalgol>Hmm, I think I might have missed something during the install.
23:26<aidalgol>Scratch that question.
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23:31<[BT]Brendan>Would it be possible for me to run GNOME on a debian vps and connect to it with VNC?
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23:36<aidalgol>[BT]Brendan: Yup.
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23:38<kf_>i have the new kernel but still can't use intel 5100 wireless card
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23:38<aidalgol>The setup would have to be done from the command-line over SSH, though.
23:39<kf_>what should i do?
23:39<[BT]Brendan>I have ssh access and I've installed gnome with apt-get but when i run startx i get a multitude of errors
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23:40<kf_>who can tell me?
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23:40<aidalgol>[BT]Brendan: I believe xorg must be specially configured for this, but I do not know how.
23:41<aidalgol>[BT]Brendan: Specially configured to run headless, I mean.
23:43<kf_>why debian 5.0 can not use intel 5100 wireless card?
23:43<kf_>i have update my kernel
23:43<aidalgol>[BT]Brendan: Yeah, it (at first glance) appears to expect a display device, but this is out of my area, so I can't really help much further.
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23:47<gsimmons>kf_: We've been over this before, firmware from userspace is also required. Do you have the firmware-iwlwifi package (0.15 or later) installed? (dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi | tail -1)
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23:50<gsimmons>kf_: And you weren't required to compile/install, the 2.6.30 kernel image packages from are sufficient for the Intel 5100.
23:50<kf_>dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi
23:50<dpkg>ii firmware-iwlwifi 1.6-4.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
23:51<simonrvn>kf_: 1. try asking in one line, it's easier to grasp your question 2. try not asking so many times, be a bit more patient 3. do you need firmware perhaps, check that.
23:51<kf_>ii firmware-iwlwi 0.14+lenny2 binary firmware for intel wireless 3945
23:51<kf_>i am sorry
23:51<simonrvn>is it loading it? it should normally
23:51<kf_>yesterday i am busing update my kernel
23:51<gsimmons>kf_: That's insufficient. You need 0.15 or later. Install firmware-iwlwifi from lenny-backports.
23:52<gsimmons>dpkg: tell kf_ -about iwlwifi firmware
23:52<simonrvn>yeh would help to have the more up to date stuff ;)
23:52<gsimmons>dpkg: tell kf_ -about iwlagn firmware
23:53<kf_>can i download the source file?
23:53<kf_>or deb file
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23:56<ml|>kf_: do you have backports setup in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
23:57<kf_>i am sorry i have asked so many times .but i ask this question is one computer ,the questions happen to another question.and the two don't support ntfs .so i don't all remember.sorry,again
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