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00:25<staspika>Hi! I am actually not sure how to put this. I've recently installed Debian Squeeze on my laptop, and among other stuff, there were bookmarks like Documents, Pictures, Videos etc. in Places menu in GNOME, and those items had custom icons. Now I've reinstalled a slightly newer build of Squeeze with different partitioning scheme (eg. I use separate partitions for /home, /var, /tmp etc.), though I don't see if this in any sense may be relevant. And no
00:25<staspika>w there is only Desktop and Home in Places. If I add bookmarks, they are displayed with boring default folder icon. Is there any package or anything I can install to get those default settings from the previous installation, so that it also will work by default for new users?
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00:28<opticon>with tightvncserver installed is their any reason connection would be rejected with viewer? on debian
00:28<opticon>have 1 pc thats doing this and another on network with same software connects fine
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01:24<linr0ckz>any channel for virtualization ?
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01:28<ml|>linr0ckz: for virtualbox ... #vbox on irc.freenode.net
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02:09<sheldonh>a cow orker says squeeze will get security updates for 2 years. where can i find out if that's true?
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02:11<simonrvn>your coworker is wrong. squeeze isn't released yet.
02:11<simonrvn>or you're misquoting them....
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02:14<sheldonh>i know squeeze isn't released yet
02:15<sheldonh>aha! i think i found what he's referring to: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 <-- not quite "two years security updates" :)
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02:17<simonrvn>oh, the time-based shit ..
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02:23<sheldonh>simonrvn, i don't care about when what comes, so much as how long i have to get over a thousand servers off etch :)
02:23<simonrvn>heh
02:23<norxxxron>hi all > first connection test
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02:24<sheldonh>i suspect squeeze has no bearing on that call. but if we ended up with 2 years to get off lenny, i'd be scoring :)
02:26<simonrvn>for sure
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02:28<jm_>optimist ;)
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02:31<sheldonh>jm_, long time no see. happy new year, man :)
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02:31<sheldonh>so it looks like squeeze isn't in freeze yet? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze
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02:32<sheldonh>that means i still have time to update fsvs and not let the author down
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02:33<jm_>sheldonh: ditto
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02:50<sanduz2>is it possible to install linux for the first time on a headless server? or does it need to be installed already in order to begin doing all that stuff through SSH?
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02:51<jmarsden>sanduz2: You can do it if the headless server has a serial console.
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02:53<sanduz2>thanks, seems complicated then.i think i rather install it for the first time like normal, then do everything through SSH afterwards. does this seem like a typical approach to you?
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02:55<jm_>sanduz2: d-i supports installation over ssh
02:55<jm_>so you don't need any console
02:57<sanduz2>dont you need to have an OS installed on the server before you can SSH to it? or is there some trick to doing an install over the network without a prior OS?
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02:59<jmarsden>jm_: How would you deal with the questions in d-i about network configuration on a headless server exactly?
02:59<jmarsden>The ones that have to be answered before you can say "continue install over SSH" :)
03:00<gsimmons>jmarsden: These can be delayed via auto mode.
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03:00<jm_>jmarsden: you can also use preseeding to configure it
03:00<jm_>sanduz2: d-i includes a mini ssh server, so you ssh to it to answer install related questions
03:01<jmarsden>gsimmons: preseeding I know about... delayed via auto mode is a new concept... can I read more about it in the Install Guide?
03:01<sanduz2>ahhh i see!
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03:01<gsimmons>jmarsden: Sure, go ahead.
03:01<jm_>:)
03:01<sanduz2>that is awesome, so i can plug a usb stick into the server for install, then ssh to it from my main pc
03:01<jmarsden>gsimmons: OK... Thought I'd read it multiple times already... apparently not well enough :)
03:02<sanduz2>or is there a better way?
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03:06<jm_>sanduz2: if you do it properly then yes
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03:06<meowbuntu>it not used even when my cpu is maxed out
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03:07<sanduz2>whats the better way exactly? :( sorry for bugging
03:07<meowbuntu>what is swap space and y is it never used even when my cpu peaks out.
03:07<sanduz2>preseeding sounds the best so far i think
03:07<jm_>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole
03:07<sanduz2>thanks jm_!
03:08<jm_>meowbuntu: it's not related to CPU usage, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space
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03:08<meowbuntu>jm_, arg so anything i can do to stop cpu peaking from time to time.
03:09<jm_>sanduz2: also useful http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote
03:09<jm_>meowbuntu: find out why it's doing that first
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03:12<sanduz2>thanks!
03:13<meowbuntu>CPU[-Single core Intel Pentium 4 (UP) clocked at 1836.614 Mhz-] Kernel[-2.6.31-17-generic i686-] Up[-2:37-] Mem[-172.5/749.7MB-] HDD[-160.0GB(36.4% used)-] Procs[-140-] Client[-X-Chat 2.8.6-] inxi[-1.2.7-]
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03:13<meowbuntu>jm_, thats my computer
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03:14<jm_>meowbuntu: are you using ubuntu?
03:14<meowbuntu>also this usually happens if i have say firefox, xchat, and few other things open and try to say watch a youtube clip or play my music files.
03:15<meowbuntu>yes ubuntu 9.10 y
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03:15<jm_>that's normal, flash crap uses a lot of CPU
03:15<jm_>!ubuntu
03:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
03:15<meowbuntu>!mint
03:15<dpkg>Linux Mint is a distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not Debian and we are unable to assist. http://linuxmint.com/forum http://www.linuxmint.com/ #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org. See also <based on Debian>.
03:15<fire_princes>what is this chat?
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03:16<meowbuntu>fire_princes, this is where you come if you get stuck for live help with debian.
03:16<fire_princes>ahhh
03:16<fire_princes>thanks
03:16<sanduz2>how could you wonder into a debian irc server and not know what debian is
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03:17<fire_princes>well could someone help me
03:17<sanduz2>wander
03:17<fire_princes>I cant install my game
03:17<meowbuntu>fire_princes, are you using debian now
03:17<fire_princes>yeh
03:17<meowbuntu>what is the game
03:17<fire_princes>Sims 1
03:17<sanduz2>lol
03:17<meowbuntu>is that a windows game
03:17<fire_princes>well it is for mac
03:18<meowbuntu>oh thats a pain.
03:18*sanduz2 grabs popcorn
03:18<meowbuntu>have you tryed to google how to run mac applications on debian
03:18<fire_princes>Who, me?
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03:18<meowbuntu>yes
03:19<meowbuntu>fire_princes, you
03:19<fire_princes>Well I am still new here
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03:19<sanduz2>by the way meowbuntu, do you have the latest version of flash? it uses the GPU to do a lot of the work for flash videos i believe which could take the load off your CPU
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03:19<fire_princes>ahhh, I have a problem whit the flash
03:20<fire_princes>it isnt working
03:20<jm_>sanduz2: not on linux
03:20<meowbuntu>sanduz2, how can i check
03:20<sanduz2>really? damn
03:20<sanduz2>well nvm jm says it doesnt happen on linux
03:20<fire_princes>and the half of my favorite sites are not working
03:21<meowbuntu>fire_princes, in terminal type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
03:21<fire_princes>what is that for?
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03:22<meowbuntu>updates your system. type man apt-get in terminal
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03:22<meowbuntu>^ for more info
03:22<fire_princes>and what is that terminal stuff?
03:22<ravenbird>meowbuntu: Bugger all, I dunno.
03:24<fire_princes>yawn, that linux is so boring
03:24<fire_princes>I was beather whit windows
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03:25<simonrvn>so go back then
03:25<fire_princes>me?
03:25<fire_princes>well I cant
03:26<sanduz2>you really should go back to windows or mac princes, you will have a tough time with linux if you use your computer a lot, in my opinion
03:26<fire_princes>well i cant
03:26<jm_>not to mention the relief for #debian
03:26<meowbuntu>sanduz2, flash doesnt really use the gpu (despite what people say) for anything other than rendering
03:26<meowbuntu>* ChanServ gives channel operator status to FloodBot1
03:26<fire_princes>I cant handle whit all of those instaleson stuff
03:27<meowbuntu>fire_princes, there may be similar games for debian/linux that you can download instead of using your mac one
03:28<fire_princes>uhh... well there is a Sims 1 for linux but it doesnt wanna install
03:28<sanduz2>why cant you use windows or mac, if i may ask?
03:29<fire_princes>well i told you that I cant install them
03:29<fire_princes>I was whit mac first
03:29<fire_princes>but..
03:29<sanduz2>why cant you install them?
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03:30<fire_princes>beeeh, I am 11 years old
03:30<fire_princes>got it?
03:30<sanduz2>so how did you install linux which is even harder to do
03:30<fire_princes>not me
03:30<fire_princes>my brother
03:31<sanduz2>beg him to install windows or mac, trust me.
03:31<sanduz2>thats all i can do for you
03:32<fire_princes>well haply i got a second computer
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03:32<edi>hello
03:32<fire_princes>hi
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03:33<fire_princes>why doesnt enybody chat/
03:33<fire_princes>eny one here speake bulgarian?
03:34<fire_princes>nqkoi govori li bulgarski?
03:34<fire_princes>Imai ne
03:35<fire_princes>enyone here
03:35<jmarsden>!bulgarian
03:35<dpkg>i guess bulgarian is better than russian, or #debian-bg
03:35<sanduz2>!bulgarian
03:35<fire_princes>?
03:35<fire_princes>huh?
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03:36<jmarsden>fire_princes: Use the channel #debian-bg for Debian support in Bulgarian. This channel uses English.
03:36<meowbuntu>fire_princes, is there not an online sims game you can play theses days
03:36<fire_princes>well sims 1 is a big game
03:36<fire_princes>so
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03:36<fire_princes>it cant be online
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03:37<fire_princes>well there is one
03:37<meowbuntu>fire_princes, also this may be what you are lookking for http://digg.com/gaming_news/Awesome_free_Simcity_clone
03:37<fire_princes>but it is for instaling too
03:37<fire_princes>oooo sim sity
03:37<fire_princes>i love it
03:38<meowbuntu>is that what game you are after
03:38<fire_princes>well no
03:38<meowbuntu>what is sims1 then
03:38<fire_princes>how should I explain
03:38<fire_princes>it is a wery cool game
03:39<fire_princes>but I am more a fen of the sims 2
03:39<jmarsden>!ot
03:39<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
03:39<fire_princes>huh?
03:40<meowbuntu>fire_princes, if you has a windows version you could run it in wine easy as
03:40<fire_princes>yeh there is
03:40<meowbuntu>jmarsden, it is ok
03:41<jmarsden>meowbuntu: I see abotu 15 lines of chat with nothing Debian related in them whatsoever. That is not "OK". Stay on topic, please.
03:41<meowbuntu>jmarsden, if you know how to run mac software on debian fire_princes would love you
03:41<fire_princes>my sims 2 game is a windows wersion
03:41<fire_princes>huh??
03:41<jmarsden>meowbuntu: You grab the source code and recompile it for Debian :)
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03:41<meowbuntu>fire_princes, install wine first then you can run sims 2
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03:42<fire_princes>Ahhh, the sims 2 is too hevy for my laptop
03:42<meowbuntu>jmarsden, I doint know if fire_princes can do that
03:42<fire_princes>and I allredy have it on my other comp
03:42<fire_princes>i wasnt the sims 1
03:42<meowbuntu>ok well y not try the simcity clone then
03:43<fire_princes>uhh, I am not sure i get it?
03:43<meowbuntu>fire_princes, jmarsden is right you could always ask him ewhat to do to get your mac game runing
03:43<meowbuntu>jmarsden, is there an app like wine to run mac software on linux
03:43<fire_princes>hold on i am not whit mac
03:44<fire_princes>i am whit windows
03:44<fire_princes>and linux
03:44<meowbuntu>fire_princes, you said the version of sims 1 is a mac game
03:44<fire_princes>Noo
03:44<fire_princes>it is for mac and windows
03:44<fire_princes>and linux
03:45<fire_princes>mostly for win windows
03:45<meowbuntu><meowbuntu> is that a windows game
03:45<meowbuntu><fire_princes> well it is for mac
03:45<sanduz2>i think you all are getting trolled but maybe not
03:45<meowbuntu>see you did say it was a mac game
03:45<sanduz2>either way you know you cant win this one
03:45<meowbuntu>fire_princes, can i pm you please
03:46<fire_princes>huh?
03:46<fire_princes>pm?
03:46<meowbuntu>pm = private message
03:46<fire_princes>ok
03:46<fire_princes>but I dont know how to do a pm
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04:10<meowbuntu>irc
04:10<meowbuntu>!irc
04:10<dpkg>[irc] Internet Relay Chat, the means to provide #debian to its patrons. Official Debian IRC channels: http://wiki.debian.org/IRC . Please read http://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc . Ask me about <irc tutorial> and <faq>. See also <debstats> and <irclog>.
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04:12<hank>hello
04:12<fire_princes>hi
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04:34<galitz>Hello. I'm having trouble getting SSH to authenicate via LDAP. My specific question at the moment is that I installed the ldapscripts utility to do searching via the CLI, but that installed a complete openldap client side configuration and now I have pam_ldap.conf and also libnss.ldap-conf. Is the libnss package really necessary?
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04:40<Deviouz>does anyone knows where I can get debian 5.0 iso image?
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04:41<cockroach>Deviouz: debian.org, i guess
04:41<Deviouz>I already been there but didnt see it
04:42<jm_>!iso
04:42<dpkg>[iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at: http://www.debian.org/CD . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent> or <jigdo> respectively. Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ See also <vendors>, <various cd1>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <bchunk>, <iat>, <uif>.
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04:42<Deviouz>to make my self clear, I want the 5,0, not 5.0.1, 5.0.2 etc
04:42<gsimmons>Deviouz: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.0/
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04:44<Deviouz>thanks'
04:44<jm_>that link is in the FAQ
04:44<themill>Deviouz: any particular reason you want the older release?
04:45<themill>(the list of changed packages is quite short and the installer will automatically try to upgrade them during installation anyway)
04:45<Deviouz><themill> yes, it seems I have alot of troubble installing from 5.0.3
04:46<themill>but you know it works OK from the 5.0.0 media?
04:46<Deviouz>anyway the dvd, it seem very buggy,
04:46<themill>Did you check that the DVD had been downloaded and burnt correctly?
04:46<themill>!check iso image
04:46<Deviouz>yes I "think" that the 5.0 is very well made and checked because it is such a big new release
04:46<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
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04:47<themill>Deviouz: the difference between the images is only a few updated packages. The quality or otherwise will be identical.
04:47<Deviouz>yes I checked, and I also dowloaded new images and burnt them, but same result,
04:48<jm_>sounds more like crap media/unit
04:48<Deviouz>I think the 5.0.3 dvd was put together in such a haste bacasuse of critical updates
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04:48<themill>that's not how point releases are made
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04:49<Deviouz>well I dont know what it is, but I must keep my fingers crossed and pray to god and then I have a 75% chanse that it will succsed
04:50<jm_>yeah, especially praying is the important bit
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04:50<Deviouz>anyway I never had this problem with 5.0 before
04:51<Deviouz>so now I want to try to see if it goes any better
04:52<themill>"it seem very buggy" would have to rank amongst the most useless of descriptions of your problems. If you can provide more useful details then someone might be able to help you and/or you should file a bug report.
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04:53<Deviouz>yes I know, but I dont know what the problem is, its just that the installation will be a failure 80% "without praying:)
04:54<Deviouz>so that why I draw tha conclusion taht "something" is wrong with it
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04:55<Deviouz>I still havent found the 5.0 dvd though, anyone?
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04:56<fire_princes>enybody here
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04:56<jmarsden>Deviouz: The 5.0.3 DVD image is fine. If it does not work for you then there is probably something bad happening with your hardware -- maybe a bad DVD blank, or a failing DVD drive... a 5.0 DVD is *very* unlikely to help.
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04:57<Deviouz><jmarsden> I have tryed atleast 3 different brands of dvd's and I also have a brand new dvd burner
04:58<kham>hi, on http://packages.qa.debian.org, the package tuxguitar is at version 1.2.1 for unstable. Why can't I see it with aptitude ? Unstable is in my source list and of course I've done aptitude update...
04:58<Deviouz>so I really doubt that is the problem
04:58<cfrabel>Could somebody explain why its not possible to stop with a ^C a script containing a sleep command?
04:59<Deviouz>I have no problem install other distros aswell ONLY the debian dvd??
04:59<jm_>cfrabel: it can be disabled/changed by script etc.
04:59<jm_>it might run a command that ignores it and so on
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05:03<sinu>what do we mean by the error "[33.700227] ata 2.0 status {DRDY}" at the boot time
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05:06<Deviouz>is it possible to install the live cd?
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05:12<Deviouz>can someone please point me to a location of debian-500-i386-DVD-1.iso?
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05:14<cfrabel>jm_, I did'nt understand your answer
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05:19<meowbuntu-afk>hey all i am thinking of trying debian. does debian have a studio version
05:19<jm_>meowbuntu-afk: no
05:20<jm_>but it has the packages that will get you there
05:20<meowbuntu-afk>ok are there different versions like ubuntu kubuntu etc
05:20<fire_princes>hi, does enybody knows if i can conect whit my frends from here?
05:21<fire_princes>i meen from this chat
05:21<meowbuntu-afk>fire_princes, i already told you what irc is
05:21<meowbuntu-afk>!irc | fire_princes
05:21<fire_princes>well there are a lots of chanels right
05:21<meowbuntu-afk>irc is a very common and quite mature form of internet communication. It means Internet Relay Chat. For a better understanding of this, either ask someone in the channel or visit a site such as http://www.chatster.org/IRChowto.html
05:22<meowbuntu-afk>fire_princes, go to that website ^
05:22<fire_princes>ok
05:23<meowbuntu-afk>fire_princes, do you want to install skype for ubuntu
05:23<fire_princes>yes
05:23<meowbuntu-afk>as ubuntu is the operating system you are using so you told me
05:23<fire_princes>yes
05:23<meowbuntu-afk>ok hold on
05:23<fire_princes>my brother is here
05:24<meowbuntu-afk>fire_princes, http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-beta-ubuntu-32
05:24<meowbuntu-afk>install that ok
05:24<fire_princes>ok
05:25<meowbuntu-afk>fire_princes, can i pm you again
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05:25<meowbuntu-afk>does your brother speek english
05:25<fire_princes>yes
05:25<fire_princes>yes
05:25<fire_princes>he speaks graet
05:25<fire_princes>great
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05:48<squiddy>what command should i use for connecting to wifi connection ?
05:49<jm_>!wifi
05:49<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
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05:50<squiddy>no, i mean, i use iwlist to discover wifi SSID, i got one, but how do i connect to it ? how do i pair ? what command ?
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05:51<jm_>that wiki link was given for a reason
05:51<squiddy>jm_ ok thank you very much
05:52<jm_>nw
05:52<squiddy>gtg
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05:54<tampered>anyone comfortable with static routes?
05:55<BlackFate>tampered, your question?
05:56<tampered>let me first explain you my topology
05:56<seeS>use them every day but err yeah it needs some context
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05:58<tampered>eth1 is configured with ip 192.168.1.100 with gateway 192.168.1.1 (managable switch), 192.168.1.1 uplinks to 192.168.1.254 (dsl router)
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05:58<tampered>eth2 is configured with ip 192.168.2.100 with gateway 192.168.2.1 (managable switch), 192.168.2.1 uplinks to 192.168.2.254 (2nd dsl router)
06:00<tampered>http://www.pastebin.ca/index.php
06:00<tampered>sorry* http://www.pastebin.ca/1749477
06:01<jm_>I assume you want to use two default gateways
06:01<tampered>i have a third switch with ip 192.168.3.1, which uplinks to 192.168.2.254
06:01<tampered>*i have a third switch with ip 192.168.3.1, which uplinks to 192.168.3.254
06:02<tampered>i do not wish to add an additional NIC on the box
06:02<tampered>but instead add another gateway, i.e, 192.168.3.1, in case the other two switches fail for some reason
06:03<tampered>i need not worry about subnets, because 1.1, 2.1, 3.1 can be seen by each other (intervlan routing)
06:04<tampered>how do i add the third gateway?
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06:05<BlackFate>tampered, to add a gw
06:06<BlackFate>route add -net default gw <gateway ip> <interface>
06:06<tampered>i don't clearly understand the term "-net", what should i put there?
06:07<jm_>you don't use -net with default
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06:07<tampered>route add default gw 192.168.3.1 eth1
06:07<tampered>route add default gw 192.168.3.1 eth2
06:08<BlackFate>tampered, in the command i gave you only change < > values
06:08<tampered>is it correct?
06:08<BlackFate>no
06:08<BlackFate>route add -net default gw 192.168.3.1 eth1
06:08<BlackFate>route add -net default gw 192.168.3.1 eth2
06:08<BlackFate>these ones
06:08<jmm>why -net + default.
06:08<tuv>which is a more lightweight web server? lighttpd or cherokee? (i don't care about performance, i'm looking for something light on the system)
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06:09<BlackFate>jmm, this is how you define gateways.
06:09<tampered>hmm if i switch off switch with ip 1.1, 2.1, will it automatically use next hop as 3.1?
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06:09<Lethalman_>tuv, check out installed size
06:10<mbruins>tampered: you could check it by typing 'aptitude show packagename'
06:10<tampered>mbruins ?
06:10<fire_princes>Is that guy here?
06:11<tampered>BlackFate now if i bond the interfaces, and add route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 bond0
06:11<babilen>tuv: try them ;-) and apache is not that bad too ...
06:11<tampered>add route add -net default gw 192.168.2.1 bond0
06:11<tampered>add route add -net default gw 192.168.3.1 bond0
06:11<tampered>will it still work?
06:12<tuv>Lethalman_: is this really a good measure? a package could have other stuff that is irrelavant to how the software runs. e.g. docs
06:12<tampered>tuv it depends what u want to do with it, php will be momery hungry on both
06:12<tampered>*memory
06:13<Lethalman_>tuv, docs may be installed in another packages, and in either way they're included in installed size
06:13<tuv>tampered: i'll use php
06:13<tampered>then use apache with mod php
06:14<tampered>BlackFate will the bond0 work on multiple gateways?
06:14<tuv>tampered: they all work with php
06:15<tuv>i had considered nginx for a bit, but it's more involved to get php support
06:16<babilen>tuv: do you have performance problems with apache? it is very hard to recommend anything to you if we don't even know what you are going to do. Take a look at yaws as well. But i really don't see why you can't use apache
06:16<babilen>tuv: you might want to ask in #php what they recommend as platform
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06:17<koollman>tuv: So, what problem are you trying to solve ? 'light', is this some kind of restricted or embedded system ?
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06:21<mbruins>tampered: im sorry wrong tab-completion
06:22<tuv>it's a diskless old laptop with limited memory, on which i'd like to run other services. mostly intersted in lowest memory usage
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06:29<vvas>tuv, keep in mind that if you're planning to use php, an http server that includes it in its core is probably more efficient than one that has to execute its cgi incarnation for every single script used...
06:30<erKURITA>tuv I hope you plan to serve pages for personal use, or to a very limited pop (3 persons?), because such a laptop would die if a large user pop used it.
06:30<tampered>lol
06:31<tampered>adios old laptop
06:31<erKURITA>AND specially a laptop, of all things
06:31<erKURITA>Offtopic: what if Facebook started as a laptop ...?
06:31<tampered>lol
06:33<vvas>how does one list the contents of an initrd?
06:33<jm_>depends on what kind of initrd it is
06:33<erKURITA>Why would you want to?
06:33<jm_>start with 'file'
06:34<erKURITA>file only tells you what type of file is it
06:34<erKURITA>according to the header
06:34<jm_>...
06:34<erKURITA>?
06:36<vvas>jm_: yes, i had tried the straightforward method (as you describe) and it wasn't working for some reason. works now though, heh. who knows what i was doing wrong the first time around
06:36<less>Maybe strings initrd | less ?
06:36<koollman>tuv: something like lighttpd would work fine enough. assuming you configure it to use fastcgi php. Although cgi php might be acceptable, for a limited usage anyway
06:37<vvas>for those interested, the way to go is `zcat initrd | cpio -it`
06:37<jm_>yeah they usually are compressed
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06:40<vvas>ok, i'm having this problem that's questioning my sanity
06:40<vvas>when i include i915 and intel_agp in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, KMS works fine from the beginning of the boot process
06:41<vvas>when i don't, it doesn't
06:42<vvas>however, both the list of modules produced by the output of update-initramfs -v and the list of files produced by the above are *completely identical*
06:44<erKURITA>Perhaps they are not loaded with the initrd, but later?
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06:45<vvas>then the contents of a configuration file relating to how the initrd is constructed would probably not make a difference
06:45<jm_>vvas: I think the former also loads them
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06:45<vvas>jm_: ah, as in it does an explicit modprobe?
06:46<vvas>that would make more sense
06:46*vvas checks
06:47<jm_>vvas: let me see again
06:47<jm_>yeah man page says so ;)
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06:50<vvas>indeed that's what's happening
06:50<vvas>cheers
06:51<vvas>well, i do hope the kernel team has that in mind when they finally switch to a KMS-enabled-by-default kernel
06:51<koollman>don't cheer too much. it doesn't mean you aren't crazy ;)
06:52<vvas>aren't we all
06:53<koollman>everyone else is. I'm not! :)
06:55<sylar>anyone knows how to see 'intel matrix raid'?
06:56<jm_>sylar: don't ask yes/no questions - dmraid
06:56<sylar>I have a latest kernel, and mdadm 3.x
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06:56<sylar>jm_, the intel site say mdadm 3.x can do it to
06:56<sylar>o
06:57<sylar>but it doesn't happen automatically
06:57<sylar>for some reason
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07:03<davi>How to convert flash video.flv to Theora?
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07:08<vvas>davi: one solution (though definitely not the only one) would be the "firefogg" firefox extension
07:09<davi>thanks vvas
07:09<davi>Does it allow change the resolution of the video?
07:10<vvas>i don't know, i've never used it
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07:19<tuxcrafter>hi all
07:20<tuxcrafter>i am having a grave issue on my system that i need some help with
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07:20<tuxcrafter>when i do a su -
07:20<tuxcrafter>i get a segfault on libc-2.10.2.so
07:20<tuxcrafter>i am unable to loging
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07:20<tuxcrafter>i can use the system in recovery mode
07:20<tuxcrafter>i already tried other debian kernels
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07:21<tuxcrafter>and did aptitude reinstall of bash intitram-tools kernels encetra
07:21<tuxcrafter>but no joy
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07:22<sylar>anyone know how to access existing partitions on intel matrix raid done on windows?
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07:28<vvas>tuxcrafter: the obvious packages to try reinstalling would be login, libc6 and libpam0g
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07:29<vvas>tuxcrafter: also, if you don't know the cause of this, there's a good chance it might be due to a security breach
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07:30<jm_>better do debsums run
07:31<tuxcrafter>vvas: thanks reintalling it
07:31<tuxcrafter>vvas: i already tried login and libc6
07:33<vvas>(also libpam-modules)
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07:36<tuxcrafter>trying libpam-modules
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07:38<llua>where can i find the md5sum for debian 5?
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07:40<babilen>llua: What do you mean? Which "Debian 5" do you refer to?
07:42<tuxcrafter>hmm i had a consolekit update this morning
07:42<Bytedevil>Debian 5 is Debian Lenny codename
07:42<llua>babilen, does debian have a page for their md5sums is what i was saying :x
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07:43<themill>llua: I presume you mean the md5sums of the ISO images for CDs and DVDs?
07:43<Bytedevil>Debian 6 is squeeze, no released today
07:43<llua>themill, yes
07:44<themill>llua: they're in the same directory as the ISO images on the ftp servers
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07:44<babilen>llua: the tool itself is in coreutils and should be installed. You can find the md5sum on the mirrors
07:44<jm_>llua: the FAQ also explains how to verify images
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07:44<themill>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/
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07:49<Bytedevil>wenas
07:49<Bytedevil>sigue sin funcionar
07:50<Bytedevil>como debe quedar el fichero /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
07:50<Bytedevil>¿?
07:50<themill>!es
07:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:59<tuxcrafter>downgrading consolekit and libck-connector0
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08:11<NewDebian>Gi
08:11<NewDebian>Hi All
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08:13<NewDebian>I have a Hp proliant ml110 g5 server and I was checking it comptability with debian
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08:15<NewDebian>and I found it says "worked except network card. You can find working compiled tg3 kernel module and soirce code here" can anyone tells me what shall I do fo that?
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08:15<NewDebian>and when I click on here I found the hyperlink does not exist
08:15<NewDebian>can you tell me?
08:16<themill>!tg3
08:16<dpkg>[tg3] the driver for Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) Ethernet chipsets, included in mainline Linux kernels. Firmware from userspace (Linux kernels 2.6.29 and later) is only required for very old hardware revisions or for TCP Segment Offloading (TSO) functionality. Tigon3 firmware is packaged for Debian in firmware-linux 0.18 and later, ask me about <non-free sources>.
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08:17<gsimmons>NewDebian: If you're referring to the HP/Proliant page on the Debian Wiki, that information is specific to Etch (4.0r3). It's more than likely the device (PCI-ID 14e4:165a, AFAICT) is supported by the tg3 driver in Lenny (5.0.3) without issue.
08:17<themill>NewDebian: without knowing exactly what network card it has (the PCI-Id from "lspci -nn" helps) it's hard to say any more.
08:17<tuxcrafter>i did an strace on login and su
08:17<tuxcrafter>and the wait4 call is giving a segfault on libc6
08:17<vvas>NewDebian: perhaps the information that you found is a bit old?
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08:18<tuxcrafter>anybody an idea how to fix this
08:18<tuxcrafter>i cant use my laptop anymore :(
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08:19<vvas>tuxcrafter: ugh. sounds like your system is very broken
08:19<NewDebian>the network card is the built in HP card "Embeded NC105i PCI express gigabit ethernet server adapter" so what do you think?
08:22<tuxcrafter>vvas: i know but it was working fine yesterday and this morning
08:22<tuxcrafter>and i always keep it up-to-date
08:22<tuxcrafter>i did an update this morning
08:22<tuxcrafter>and i only use the official debian repos
08:22<tuxcrafter>but i am using debian sid (unstable) i know no support
08:23<tuxcrafter>but normally i am able to fix these issues
08:23<themill>NewDebian: that's a sub-device of the network card that gsimmons mentioned. (I can't tell you more though other than to try out the installation and see if it talks to the network card... and if it doesn't, a newer kernel and firmware from backports.org should do.)
08:23<themill>judd pciid 14e4:165a
08:23<judd>themill: [14e4:165a] is 'NetXtreme BCM5722 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:165a
08:24<vvas>tuxcrafter: well, try downgrading as many packages as possible that were upgraded this morning and appear related to this
08:24<edhunter>tuxcrafter: didnt see any update for libc* today. console-kit is to be upgraded though..
08:24<vvas>tuxcrafter: the method i usually use to see what was upgraded is `ls -lct /var/cache/apt/archives/`
08:24<themill>NewDebian: (and that particular PCI-id is not supported by the etch kernel which is also what gsimmons was saying)
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08:26<NewDebian>but it is supported in debian lenny 5.0.3 correct?
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08:29<NewDebian>So all what I need to download the latest Debian and install it correct?
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08:29<tuxcrafter>vvas: yes i checked the dpkg logs from this morning and did nog see any libc thinks but i did see libck-connector and consolekit
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08:29<tuxcrafter>can i run some dpkg-reconfigura ll
08:29<tuxcrafter>all
08:30<tuxcrafter>or an resintall all
08:30<NewDebian>themill: Is that correct?
08:30<themill>NewDebian: as far as we can tell from the information you've provided, yes. Try it out.
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08:39<NewDebian>One more stupid ridiculous question but please forgive me, the processor in my server is intel pentium E2160, with Sata HD, then I think I need to use ia64 is that correct? I am really sorry but I am totally new.
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08:39<jm_>no, 386 or amd64
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08:40<NewDebian>either of them?
08:40<jm_>the former is 32bit release, the latter 64
08:41<jm_>but both shall work
08:41<shiznatix>Hello. How do I install firefox extensions on iceweasel? I can't seam to do it from the mozilla website and I don't know where to get the intallation file
08:41<NewDebian>Ok i think it is 64 bits machine so I will use amd64
08:42<NewDebian>Thank you all for your help.
08:42<perk>shiznatix, some extensions are in the debian repository
08:43<shiznatix>perk, but is there no way to add extensions without the repo like normally with firefox?
08:43<jm_>sure there is, it works out of the box
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08:45<mbruins>hi, im running lenny but i need the latest version of gtk-gnutella.. what could i best do? just compile it from source?
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08:49<shiznatix>jm_, was that comment to me?
08:49<jm_>shiznatix: yup, sorry I thought I prefixed the line but apparently not
08:49<Titan8990>judd, versions gtk-gnutella
08:49<judd>Titan8990: gtk-gnutella -- lenny: 0.96.5-1 sid: 0.96.6+dfsg-2 squeeze: 0.96.6+dfsg-2
08:49<Titan8990>!tell mbruins about ssb
08:50<shiznatix>jm_, but where do I download the extension installation files? i can't seam to let the mozilla website just let me download it. It just says "upgrade FF or try an older version of ___ extension"
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08:51<jm_>shiznatix: which extension for example?
08:51<perk>shiznatix, what are you trying to download and what version of iceweasel do you run?
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08:52<shiznatix>Iceweasel/3.0.6 (Debian-3.0.6-3) and the main 2 extensions i want are adblock and noscript
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08:53<ansgar>shiznatix: Why not install the Debian packages for these two?
08:53<jm_>shiznatix: adblock needs at least firefox 3.0.12
08:54<jm_>adblock plus that is
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08:54<shiznatix>ansgar, because if I want to install other extensions later that aren't in the repo I would like to know how to do it
08:55<shiznatix>jm_, ok but I have adblock plus on other isntallations of debian lenny running around, what version of adblock plus do I need for iceweasel
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08:57<jm_>shiznatix: hmm I have no idea, check which version you have installed on those systems
08:58<shiznatix>jm_, ok. so is the best course of action to just install from the repos? is there a list of extensions that are in the repos?
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08:58<ml|>shiznatix: search here it will tell you if any version of an addon is compatibile with your iceweasel version https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/
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08:58<jm_>shiznatix: for noscript the one I have lists 1.5 as min version
08:58<jm_>shiznatix: for noscript I would recommend mozilla sites because of constant updates
08:59<ml|>also should while trying to install a addon
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08:59<jm_>shiznatix: you can find debian packages with apt-cache/aptitude search
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09:01<jm_>shiznatix: noscript should install fine provided software installation from this site is allowed
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09:07<bighornram>Where would I find log of warnings I get at bootup. Warnings include udev hpij messages but I can't find them in any log files to trace them.
09:07<ml|>dpkg: bootlog
09:07<dpkg>bootlogd is, like, disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
09:07<jm_>bighornram: tried enabling bootlog?
09:07<jm_>being fast is sometimes helpful ;)
09:08<bighornram>no but will do it now. thanks.
09:08<ml|>jm_: hehe
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09:12<mbruins>Titan8990: thanks it worked but what does ssb stand for? 14:47 < Titan8990> !tell mbruins about ssb
09:12<Titan8990>mbruins, simple sid backport
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09:13<mbruins>Titan8990: thanks
09:13<ml|>mbruins: you should read the message dpkg sent you
09:13<mbruins>ml|: i did ofcourse but it diddnt explain what ssd ment ;x
09:14<ml|>no?
09:14<Titan8990>ml|, no, it doesn't explain what it stands for
09:14<Titan8990>ml|, I had to ask once myself
09:14<ml|>oh, thought it did, indeed it does not
09:15<mbruins>:D well thanks anyway
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09:17<jm_>heh nice slip, ssd
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09:17<ml|>heh
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09:21<shiznatix>Can someone point me to where I would find the apache2 error log on Lenny?
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09:22<ml|>shiznatix: have you looked in /var/log/ ?
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09:23<shiznatix>ml|, yes but I am getting an "Internal Server Error" but the /var/log/apache2/error.log shows nothing
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09:24<shiznatix>ml|, errr, sorry, found it all
09:24<ml|>shiznatix: where are they then?
09:25<shiznatix>ml|, the errors for that where in /var/log/apache2/debian.error_log
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09:25<ml|>ok, glad you found it :)
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09:31<ruruth>does anybody know, what is wrong with FreeNode?
09:31<Titan8990>ruruth, nothing for me
09:31<ruruth>It tells me I am banned and I can not connect with another name either.
09:32<shiznatix>What is a good gnome GUI mysql client for debian? mysql-client? Would that be the best? gmyclient looks good but its not in the repos
09:32<ml|>someone banned you it seems
09:32<Titan8990>bans are often by IP address
09:32<ml|>yep
09:33<Titan8990>shiznatix, phpmyadmin but its a web application
09:33<shiznatix>Titan8990, yes but I would like something other than a web application. Something much easier than a web app would be best
09:33<Titan8990>shiznatix, mysql-client is the command line interface
09:34<Titan8990>shiznatix, what makes a gui easier than phpmyadmin?
09:34<shiznatix>Titan8990, personal opinion
09:35<Titan8990>well, i can understand not wanting to install a webserver, but i doubt you will find a GUI that is remotely as good/easy as phpmyadmin
09:35*chealer also doubts that
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09:37<chealer>shiznatix: I don't know gmyclient, but I would be surprised that you find anything "remotely as good/easy as phpmyadmin" in Debian. please tell me if you do.
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09:46<tuxcrafter>i got my system working agian with dpkg-reconfigure -a
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09:48<ben__>Facepalmers?
09:48<shiznatix>Titan8990, Mysql Query Browser is on debian. Not sure about it but I used it a few years ago and its pretty sweet
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09:48<ben__>Can anyone suggest to me a decent place for a STEP by STEP tutorial for installing/running Baldur's Gate?
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09:50<koollman>ben__: you mean a decent time. perhaps 2000 ? :)
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09:51<ruruth>Is there a way to boot up from USB when my BIOS does not support that? My CD-Rom drive is broken and freaking Sony wants several hundred dollars for a new one!
09:51<ben__>Koollman, that wasn't terribly helpful
09:51<Titan8990>ben__, hehe... the funny thing is i don't even think modern windows will run that game
09:51<ben__>Vista, just about did
09:51<Titan8990>ben__, i ran it on windows 98 when i was in grade school....
09:51<perk>ben__, probably is over at appdb.winehq.com
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09:51<perk>or org or whatever
09:51<koollman>ben__: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=817
09:52<ben__>I'm really struggling with what to do from that point though
09:52<ben__>?
09:52<Titan8990>ben__, the game doesn't require 3d acceleration so you could probably just run in a VM
09:52<ben__>Ok, how do I get that?
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09:53<Titan8990>ben__, wouldn't bother, just checked link and people are reporting good results with wine
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09:53<ben__>Titan - ok, from the wine link, what do I do next
09:54<ben__>Yup, I'm a total noob
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09:56<sylar>which room handles mdadm development?
09:56<ben__>?
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09:58<jsteel>Hi, Just after some advice. I wish to backup my DVDs but not at full size; I don't have the room. I would like to convert them to another format. What's the preferred Debian package for the job? I think I would prefer a CLI rather than a GUI.
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10:02<locklace>jsteel: xz-utils
10:04<vvas>i assume he's referring to video DVDs
10:04<jsteel>Sorry should have mentioned that I wish to play the files I am backing up.
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10:05<locklace>jsteel: ffmpeg, then
10:05<vvas>jsteel, ripping DVDs is not an easy process, and without a GUI it's easy to get certain aspects of it wrong (cutting out the black bars at the top/bottom, for example)
10:06<vvas>so i would generally recommend dvd::rip, but if you're absolutely positive about the CLI then mencoder or ffmpeg as locklace suggested
10:06<vvas>anyway, lunch time, bbiab
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10:06<jsteel>it seems that mencoder is not included in Debian, is that correct?
10:06<locklace>!tell jsteel about dmm
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10:09<jsteel>I want to easily be able to put a disc in and tell it to "go", can I tell ffmpeg or mencoder to take the "main title" of the DVD or would I have to work this out myself?
10:13<bremner>jsteel: ept-cache related dvdrip suggests ripmake + transcode
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10:16<jsteel>OK thanks for the suggestions I'll give it a go
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10:30<Flakk>hello people, I said $top and received the following stunning display: firefox-bin occupies 132% of the CPU... how is it possible? or I miss something?
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10:37<Flakk> hello people, I said $top and received the following stunning display: firefox-bin occupies 132% of the CPU... how is it possible? or I miss something?
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10:39<vvas>it's a multi-core computer, and firefox-bin has more than one thread running in more than one core
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10:43<r15>hi all
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10:44<r15>i just installed debian 5.0, i want to update my laptop from debian site.
10:44<r15>how to defined sources?
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10:45<Titan8990>r15, why are you asking in both channels at the same time?
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10:46<r15>Titan8990: i accidently connected to this channel, i always use FreeNode.
10:47<r15>i am unable to connect to my wifi network, so i am thinking to update Network manager with the latest.
10:47<r15>even to install few other things, from debian site, instead of using my cdrom packages.
10:47<r15>thanks in advance.
10:48<r15>do i need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list manually?
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10:49<petemc>r15: yes, buts its veru easy
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10:49<Titan8990>r15, why are you still posting in this channel then?
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10:49<Titan8990>r15, i put a factoid up for you on freenode
10:50<r15>Titan8990: cause i am getting reply here.
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10:50<Titan8990>r15, cross-posting is evil. you won't get help for long if people know you are doing it
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10:51<Titan8990>but it doesn't even matter, your question was answered by dpkgbot
10:51<r15>ok i am closing one channel.
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10:51<Antony93>ciao
10:51<Antony93>!list
10:51<dpkg>antony93: VATTENE VIA
10:51<Antony93>trmon
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10:52<r15>Titan8990: i guess i missed about dpkgbot.
10:53<r15>can i have the same information again?
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10:53<hcarsten>hey whats up, guys?
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10:53<Titan8990>!sources
10:53<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
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10:54<Titan8990>just replace <cc> with your country, e.g. mine would be ftp.us.debian.org
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11:00<r15>yes, thanks Titan8990, it's working.
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11:01<Titan8990>r15, np, just one channel next time :)
11:01<r15>sure, i will keep that in mind, it's first time i logged in directly. thanks.
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11:01<r15>usually i go via FreeNode.
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11:07<mbruins>i forgot the ipod client i normally used its gtk-* aptitude search doesnt give me a awnser... could someone point me in the rigt direction?
11:07<pcav1>I upgraded sid today and sound gets broken in KDE
11:07<pcav1>anyone can confirm?
11:07<gsimmons>mbruins: gtkpod?
11:07<mbruins>gsimmons: illl try sec
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11:08<mbruins>gsimmons: thanks thats it its without a - :X
11:08<mbruins>thank again
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11:10<zeev>hi, how can I accept a file via bluetooth on my laptop from my cellphone?
11:10<zeev>my cellphone doesn't see my laptop...
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11:13<zeev>I have bluetooth in gnome but i'm not sure it works how can I check it?
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11:20<macravin>heyy, does anyone know how to do an OEM install
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11:22<fnmueller>OEM install?
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11:22<jmarsden>macravin: This is #debian -- there is on OEM version of Debian.
11:22<jmarsden>*no
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11:23<macravin>ok, I that was the question, so how do you install then without setting any passwds...
11:23<petemc>debootstrap
11:23<fnmueller>macravin: by not setting a password during installation :D
11:23<macravin>Im installing for a freind, when it turns on, i want it to ask him what root passwd he wants...
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11:24<macravin>and account name.. no that doesn't work, debian makes you set a password
11:25<fnmueller>marcell__: in this case, you will need to tell him the password or user passwd after the installation
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11:28<macravin>how do computer manufactures with debian pre-installed do it, I could do that but I wan't to know how to do this anyway... oh well
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11:29<koollman>macravin: there are many ways to automate a debian installation. Most are related to specific configuration provided to the debian installer
11:30<koollman>macravin: but for a manufacturer, having a simple 'ghost' system would work well enough, I guess. that is, preparing an image, then deploying it on the hard drive
11:30<zeev>how do I activate bluetooth in debian lenny?
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11:31<macravin>koolman: oh... and of course i'm not going to waste time getting such a ghost image, thanks..
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11:31<snicore>hey
11:31<lwithers>zeev, does http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser have the information you need?
11:31<koollman>macravin: well, you are pretty non-specific about what you are asking. I answer with generic answers
11:32<macravin>zeev: you may need a specific module for your specific hardware... I think
11:32<snicore>i newly installed debian squeeze amd64
11:32<snicore>what are the first steps
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11:32<macravin>koolman: I know,
11:33<snicore>to provide flash, ms fonts, skype
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11:33<macravin>snicore: is there a linux version of skype? really?
11:33<snicore>ok
11:33<fnmueller>macravin: there is a debian repo....
11:33<snicore>then skype leva
11:33<snicore>leave
11:34<snicore>fonts dpi 81 is good?
11:34<snicore>or set it to 96?
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11:34<snicore>i have oldskool 17 crt / 1024*768*85
11:34<snicore>:)
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11:35<snicore>the resolution is correct
11:35<macravin>snicore: it shouldn't matter, thats just the resolution of the fonts on the screen
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11:35<macravin>you can use whichever dpi looks best
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11:36<snicore>iceweasel equal to firefox?
11:36<macravin>yes
11:36<snicore>ok
11:37<snicore>how to i install flashplugin for 64bit
11:37<snicore>?
11:37<snicore>is'n on repo?
11:37<macravin>and obviously the 32bit one doesn't work, right?
11:37<Titan8990>judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree
11:37<judd>Titan8990: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.8 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8
11:38<Titan8990>snicore, lenny-backports
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11:40<snicore>ok
11:40<snicore>woow
11:40<snicore>rhythmbox play mp3 streams without install any codecs
11:40<snicore>:]
11:41<snicore>it's geeky
11:41<snicore>:D
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11:42<zeroXten>any docs on building a kernel without loadable modules on debian (ie using make-kpkg etc)?
11:43<fred1>itym "rhythmbox as an mp3 codec built in"
11:43<fred1>*has
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11:44<fred1>or possibly "the library that supports decoding mp3 that rhythmbox uses is already installed on (your) system"
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11:44<vvas>zeroXten: i don't think you have to do anything special, you just follow the general instructions and configure the kernel appropriately
11:46<zeroXten>and not use the --initrd option to make-kpkg i guess
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11:50<xover>what does the 'm' signifiy in the VIRT column of top?
11:53<vvas>MB (as opposed to kB)
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11:57<xover>so amarok is using 1204MB? i.e. 1.2GB of RAM?
11:58<fnmueller>xover:
11:58<fnmueller>no
11:58<xover>are you sure its not mb? megabit?
11:58<fnmueller>xover: take a look at htop if yo don't understand top
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11:59<xover>fnmueller: dont assume you are smarter than me
11:59<xover>fnmueller: it doesnt specifiy the meaning of (m_
11:59<lwithers>xover: it's possible that it could be using a large amount of virtual memory, which is what's being reported, but only a small amount of RAM
11:59<vvas>xover: yes, amarok has 1204MB mapped in its address space
12:00<xover>lwithers: cheers for the explanation
12:00<lwithers>things like shared libraries get memory mapped into its address space (the size of which is being reported) but don't correspond to physical pages held in RAM necessarily
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12:00<xover>lwithers: what is the difference between cache and buffered memory?
12:00<fnmueller>xover: see, this is what htop does differently
12:00<lwithers>also if you memory map a large file you can end up with "strange" situations like using 200% of memory and so on :)
12:00<vvas>same with files that the program is doing mmap'ed I/O with
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12:00<lwithers>xover: that, I don't know
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12:02<xover>at the moment my system shows 75mb free of 4GB, but minus cache and buffers is has 2.5GB, if I added more RAM im guessing it would cache even more memory?
12:02<lwithers>yes
12:02<vvas>xover: in the case of amarokapp, what does the RES column say?
12:02<xover>48m
12:02<snicore>libflashplayer.so (64bit) to /usr/lib64/iceweasel/plugins is correctly?
12:03<lwithers>(but note that RES also includes shared pages, so it will overstate how much RAM an application is actually using)
12:03<vvas>xover: so that's the amount of physical memory it's currently occupying. the rest is either swapped out or (most likely) mapped files etc
12:03<xover>lwithers: you answered my next question before I asked it, cheers man.
12:04<lwithers>there is a tool called smap that can give you a "fairer" view of how much memory each application uses, I will see if I can find a link for you
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12:04<xover>what does amarok want to map so much memory?
12:05<xover>lwithers: i dont need it mate, i just wanted to know what was going on.
12:05<Titan8990>unused RAM is wasted RAM
12:05<lwithers>http://lwn.net/Articles/329458/
12:05<snicore>how to i install msttcorefonts on debian squeeze amd64???
12:05<lwithers>xover: sure, just for anyone who is interested :)
12:05<vvas>xover: i guess, because it's dealing with fairly large files, and lots of them
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12:06<lwithers>I expect it's mapping things like graphics used in the GUI and for album cover art, it's music database, possibly the music files you are playing, etc.
12:06<xover>the update feature is very fast, excellent program, just buggy with the GUI.
12:06<vvas>it probably maps mp3s when it reads them and does not unmap them afterwards (since there's not particular benefit in doing so)
12:06<lwithers>and also the underlying libraries (phonon, kdelibs, QT, etc.) will all have their memory usage counted
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12:06<Titan8990>snicore, aptitude install msttcorefonts
12:06<lwithers>vvas, well except on 32 bit systems :)
12:07<vvas>heh, true
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12:07<snicore>Titan8990, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "msttcorefons"
12:07<xover>So the big question is, will adding more RAM increase the speed of the system? As its not pages in physical memory that is fully used im guessing no!?
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12:08<lwithers>snicore: did you spell it right? there's a "t" at the end, msttcorefonts
12:08<Titan8990>snicore, did you spell it wrong like you just did in chat?
12:08<Titan8990>judd, versions msttcorefonts
12:08<judd>Titan8990: msttcorefonts -- etch/contrib: 1.8 sid/contrib: 2.6 lenny/contrib: 2.7 sid/contrib: 2.7
12:08<lwithers>it does turn up in my aptitude on squeeze
12:08<Titan8990>snicore, not available in squeeze
12:09<lwithers>ah, sorry, I must be on sid
12:09<Titan8990>lwithers, do you have multiple releases in your sources?
12:09<Titan8990>ah
12:09<lwithers>no, but I have "unstable" and got the names confused :)
12:09<xover>lwithers?
12:10<vvas>xover: if you've got 2.5GB devoted to buffers/cache at the moment, i don't think there's much point in adding more
12:10<lwithers>xover: it would depend on your workload; I suspect not in your case
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12:11<xover>Is cache one step above swap?
12:11<scott_>Hey, I'm trying to switch from Ubuntu to Debian but I'm having a problem with the LiveCD. IT won't burn.
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12:12<Titan8990>scott_, most people use the netinst
12:12<scott_>I tired that. I couldn't get it to work.,
12:12<sney`>you can't currently install from debian live, I don't think
12:12<Titan8990>scott_, what didn't work about it?
12:12<scott_>It couldn't connect to the net.
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12:13<sney`>new hardware?
12:13<Titan8990>scott_, you can still install via netinst without a network connection, you will just not be able to select a task
12:13<lwithers>xover: not really; they're different things
12:13<sney`>Titan8990: but if that's the case he'd be better off with CD1
12:13<scott_>and Will the Netinst give me a gui to work with?
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12:13<sney`>definitely better off with cd1
12:13<Titan8990>scott_, if you select it as a task
12:13<scott_>I don't know what that means.
12:13<lwithers>I believe "cache" refers to "pages of memory which mirror stuff on disk" and are dirty/clean; to free RAM, drop clean or write dirty to disk then drop
12:14<Titan8990>scott_, cd1 like sney` said, or kmuto installer if your hardware is too new and that is why network connection fails
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12:14<lwithers>whereas I believe "swap" refers to "stuff in memory that is backed on disk" so to free RAM, move pages from RAM to disk
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12:14<scott_>Hmmmmm. I'll give it a shot.
12:14<sney`>scott_: the 'tasks' are options you select during the install, they are big groups of packages for stuff like 'desktop environment' and 'laptop' and 'file server' etc
12:15<scott_>but why is a LiveCD offered if the LiveCD doesnt' work?
12:15<sney`>the desktop environment task will give you a full Gnome-based GUI
12:15<sney`>the livecd works as a demo, not an installer
12:15<scott_>Oh.
12:15<scott_>I get it.
12:15<scott_>I Didn't see that information on the website.
12:15<scott_>lol
12:16<scott_>So, NEtinst it is...
12:17<sney`>you'll have a better bet of using the netinst if you have a hardwired network connection. wifi is usually where the problem is
12:17<lwithers>I did have a problem with netinst not finding my network hardware (wired) on a few machines recently; using the install DVD worked perfectly however
12:17<sney`>either because it's too new or because the manufacturer requires proprietary firmware to make it work
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12:17<sney`>lwithers: yeah, there are a couple brand spankin' new wired ethernet controllers that aren't even in the kernel before 2.6.32
12:18<scott_>Maybe I downloaded the wrong CD Last time.
12:18<snicore>Titan8990, i installed debian-multimedia repo & 64bit flash player
12:18<snicore>Titan8990, msttcorefont is where?
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12:18<sney`>scott_: did you get it from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ?
12:19<Titan8990>snicore, every release except for squeeze
12:19<lwithers>sney`: I have an r8169 that I've been running with a vanilla kernel since around 2.6.26 or something (can't remember, it's been well over a year anyway); strangely didn't seem to work with the netinst
12:19<scott_>The one I'm downloading now is from the URL.
12:19<lwithers>the other ones I had trouble with are probably too new
12:19<scott_>that*
12:19<snicore>Titan8990, then where i can download .deb?
12:19<lwithers>anyhow, the DVD worked without a hitch so no problems
12:19<Titan8990>!ssb
12:19<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
12:19<sney`>yeah there are weird issues with some of the realtek stuff
12:20<lwithers>yup, I saw some bug reports about firmware. I tried copying the firmware files to netinst manually but it didn't help
12:20<Titan8990>i think it requires firmware like the 3945/4945 intel drivers
12:20<lwithers>perhaps I didn't activate the kernel's firmware loading machinery properly
12:20<Titan8990>lwithers, i never had any luck with that myself...
12:21<lwithers>but time to download DVD was less than time to figure it out so... :)
12:21<Titan8990>lwithers, ended up just installing without net and installing the firmware after using my intel 3945
12:21<lwithers>yeah, I didn't realise that netinst would work if you didn't select any tasks
12:21<scott_>I think there might be problems with the ISOs form the Debian site. Brasero just keeps "prepating to write" but it doesn't do that with other ISOs
12:21<sney`>yeah, it's the same deal with too-new cards ... install base system first, then bring a backport kernel over manually
12:22<ml|>judd: versions ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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12:22<judd>ml|: ttf-mscorefonts-installer -- sid/contrib: 2.6 lenny/contrib: 2.7 sid/contrib: 2.7 sid/contrib: 3.0 squeeze/contrib: 3.0
12:22<lwithers>scott_: you could try invoking cdrecord manually at the commandline
12:22<snicore>Titan8990, i enabled the contrib & non-free repos in sources.list
12:22<lwithers>scott_: I think it's just "cdrecord <name>.iso"
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12:22<ml|>snicore: look at what judd said
12:22<snicore>ok
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12:24<snicore>Titan8990, bash completion for package names?
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12:24<scott_>Using /dev/cdrom of unknown capabilities
12:24<scott_>Error trying to open /dev/cdrom exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
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12:25<lwithers>so is something else currently using the drive? do you still have Brasero or whatever open?
12:25<satanus>is there a way to make the changes made in gsynaptics (for touch pads) permanent, and if so how?
12:25<scott_>Nope.
12:25<scott_>Maybe I should reboot.
12:25<scott_>brb
12:25<lwithers>well, fuser can tell you what's using it
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12:25<ml|>scott_: have you verified the iso you downloaded?
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12:28<dwessell>I'm attemping to do an install of Debian on a machine with a Perc 6/i controller. It contains (3) 1TB drives. When I go to partition I see two drives. A sdb with 1.9TB and a sdc with 66.6GB. That's normal to see that sdc, correct?
12:29<scott_>wOOt... It's working. :)
12:29<koollman>ew
12:29<satanus>never mind i found the solution... using the gsynaptics demon, via gsynaptics-init
12:29<scott_>Cool. I learned something new today.
12:29<koollman>dwessell: it means your perc controller is doing something for OS that can't handle >2TB drives
12:29<koollman>you should disable that, imho
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12:30<scott_>So, I can use cdrecord without having to install Brasero or something similar? It's built into linux?
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12:30<koollman>actually ... perhaps perc6 can't handle it
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12:31<lwithers>scott_: not built in, but it's a package or application like any other
12:31<sney`>a lot of distributions install cdrecord by default
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12:31<scott_>Right. Linux is the kernel - so it wouldn't be built into it?
12:31<lwithers>scott_: Brasero, k3b, etc. will all use it underneath, but they provide a user-friendly front end and allow you to make your own images etc.
12:31<scott_>It's just a package.
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12:32<scott_>That's good to know.
12:32<lwithers>you can do it all with commandline tools but, unless you're familiar with them, it's likely to be a lot more work
12:32<lwithers>however for simple things sometimes the commandline is just easier :)
12:32<scott_>today, I can burn CD from the command line... Tomorrow, Ima hack the matrix.
12:33<scott_>Welp, off to install Debian. see you in a few hours - maybe sooner if I do it right the first time.
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12:34<dwessell>koollman: My understanding was that the Perc 6 controller had plenty of drivers for linux.. There is a virtual disk showing in the raid bios.. Also if I click on the sdb drive at the partition screen, the screen just refreshes and nothing happens.
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12:53<zeev>Hi, how can I send a file from my cellphone to my laptop via infrared? (I can use IR with remote controller to control volume, etc...)
12:54<zeev>(does it mean that IR works fine and it is enough for the file transfer? or should I do smth. else?)
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12:54<zeev>because the cellpone doesn't see my laptop...
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13:00<vvas>infrared is the one piece of hardware that i've never managed to configure on my laptop
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13:02<zeev>ok, how do check whether I have a bluetooth on my laptop?
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13:03<Titan8990>zeev, lspci should show a bluetooth device if you have one
13:03<zeev>thank you
13:06<kleanchap>Is there a good blogging client on Debian? I saw clients like Blogtk and Bilbo but they are not anywhere in the repository. I am looking WYSIWYG blogging tool.
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13:15<inglor>!kde
13:15<dpkg>[kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels
13:15<inglor>!remove kde
13:15<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE, do: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want).
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13:16<vvas>!tell inglor about selftell
13:16<inglor>Thanks vvas ;)
13:16<snicore>Titan8990, http://snicore.deviantart.com/art/Debian-Squeeze-150280746
13:16<snicore>Titan8990, here is my first debain screenshot
13:16<snicore>:)
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13:17*inglor thanks dpkg
13:17<Titan8990>snicore, nice
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13:18<snicore>Titan8990, post your, im curious
13:18<snicore>:]
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13:18<Titan8990>snicore, http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-3.png
13:19<Titan8990>both my bars auto-hide
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13:22<snicore>Titan8990, remote-exploit :D backtrack4 released today ;)
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13:26<Titan8990>snicore, close
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13:26<Titan8990>snicore, was released on monday, was there when they announced in the IRC channel :)
13:27<Titan8990>snicore, i hate BT though... im a Pentoo guy. I just hang out in the BT channel for the off-topic security discussions
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13:30<inglor>pentoo are really hackers: <quote>New kernel 3.6.31.6 with aufs and squashfs-lzma </quote>
13:31<snicore>Titan8990, great \o_
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13:33<sney`>haha 3.6
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13:34<sney`>I still want to know who told all the noobs that if you download BT4 you are now a pro haxxor
13:34<sney`>I suspect it was goons but they deny it
13:34<ml|>Titan8990: how do you like chrome? do you have any problems with font rendering?
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13:35<sney`>nothing quite as amusing/annoying as kids joining #debian with a "hi im running bt4, whats a bash prompt? and do you know any good SSH exploitz?"
13:35<Titan8990>ml|, only on my DD-WRT routers... it doesn't render that at all
13:35<ml|>how about anyone else?
13:35<sney`>I like chrome.
13:35<sney`>it's fast. I haven't noticed any font rendering issues.
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13:36<ml|>hmm, fonts render badly here, but iceweasel looks fine and other apps, so dunno what is the cause
13:36<Titan8990>ml|, i have had occasional issues with pages stop rendering and I have to refresh. I am using the proprietary dev build version so I expect a few issues though
13:36<Titan8990>ml|, only the dev build support extensions
13:36<gdb>Have they added the ability to export bookmarks to Chrome yet? That's always been the show stopper for me.
13:36<Titan8990>ml|, are you using chrome or chromium?
13:37<Titan8990>gdb, don't use bookmarks... i just type the first 1-4 letters into chrome address bar and press enter hehe
13:37<ml|>Titan8990: right, when I tried it was chrome dev build
13:37<gdb>hehe
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13:37<Titan8990>ml|, there was one particular version i had to live with for a week that was especially bad
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13:38<ml|>maybe I got a bad build, just wondering what other debian users had any issues, guess I will need to try it again
13:38<sney`>it is constantly being updated
13:38<sney`>leave dl.google.com in your sources.list
13:38<ml|>thanks for the info
13:38<sney`>sometimes it's broken but never for very long
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13:41<Titan8990>ml|, it appears they recently added google-chrome-beta in addition to google-chrome-unstable
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13:42<sylar>anyone know how to load existing intel matrix raid partitions?
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13:43<Titan8990>!fakeraid
13:43<dpkg>[fakeraid] a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). See <sata faq>.
13:44<ml|>Titan8990: now that you mention it, it was the beta I tried and some people have being having font rendering issues for a while, I will try it again, but will give it some more time thanks
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13:44<scott_>Hey, guys. How do I stop the gnome display manager from tty1? In Ubuntu it's "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop".
13:45<Titan8990>scott_, yep, thats right. if you have sudo installed and configured
13:45<Titan8990>scott_, otherwise, same thing as root
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13:46<scott_>ah.
13:46<scott_>Maybe I did something wrong.
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13:46<scott_>If I didn't install sudo it's just "su"
13:46<scott_>Or, login as root?
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13:46<scott_>Oh, I got Debian install, by the way. :)
13:46<Titan8990>su is fine
13:46<mase>yep, you seem not to have sudo installed and configured
13:46<sney`>yep sounds like you know what to do
13:47<sney`>a lot of things you do in debian will be the same or similar to what they were in ubuntu, just better
13:47<scott_>brb
13:49<Titan8990>ml|, on a side note, the gmail extension upgraded itself last week and has been buggy as hell since....
13:50<ml|>Titan8990: yes, some can't use gmail cause of that ;)
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13:51<Titan8990>ml|, i don't understand that crap... it worked fine before the "upgrade" and i don't even see any new features
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13:53<ml|>Titan8990: yeah, seems they are testing a lot of things; hopefully it will be fixed soon for gmail users sake ;)
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13:59<scott_1>Okay, the Nvidia driver tells me I have to stop X, but /etc/init.d/gdm stop only stops gnome.
14:00<scott_1>and /etc/init.d/[gkx]dm stop doesn't work either
14:00<Titan8990>scott_1, killing the display manager should kill X
14:00<scott_1>That's what I thought.
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14:00<Titan8990>scott_1, wait...
14:00<scott_1>Here's what I'm doing, I'm pressing "ctrl+alt+f1", then logging in as root.
14:01<Titan8990>scott_1, stop
14:01<scott_1>k.
14:01<Titan8990>!nvidia
14:01<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
14:01<scott_1>HEY!
14:01<scott_1>There's we go.
14:01<Titan8990>scott_1, your following the instructions on that wiki page?
14:01<Titan8990>scott_1, if not, switch documentation now :)
14:01<scott_1>No, I thought it was the same as Ubuntu. lol.
14:02<scott_1>Because their always going off on how Ubuntu is based off of Debian.
14:02<scott_1>they're too
14:02<Titan8990>last i checked, Ubuntu only provided instructions on install nvidia drivers via a GUI
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14:03<Titan8990>debian uses m-a for nearly all 3rd party module installation
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14:03<Titan8990>they are two entirely different OSes, that just start with the same base pool of packages
14:03<ml|>scott_1: you should read and follow debian docs ^
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14:10<scott_1>Ah, the nvidia-driver is in the non-free repos.
14:11<dr|z3d>!nvidia
14:11<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
14:12*dr|z3d notices scrollback and apologises.
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14:33<scott_>!nvidia pre-built
14:33<dpkg>aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32).
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14:38<o_be_one>hi all :) !
14:38<o_be_one>I'm running Squeeze and ... i have a problem.
14:38<o_be_one>i've let the debian installer make part of my hdd
14:39<o_be_one>so i have 5 part
14:39<o_be_one> / /home /usr /var /tmp
14:40<o_be_one>and my / is 100% occuped :/
14:40<o_be_one>localepurge is done, apt clean & autoclean done, deborphan done
14:40<mase>tells "mount" that everything is mountet correctly?
14:40<mase>-t +d
14:40<o_be_one>all are ok
14:40<mase>installed multiple kernels?
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14:41<o_be_one>(ive seend the occuped space by df -h)
14:41<o_be_one>2 kernel
14:41<o_be_one>one is the standart
14:41<o_be_one>and the second (what im using) is a patched RT that i've do
14:41<o_be_one>2.6.31.6-rt19
14:42<mase>two kernels can reach around 80% in "/", but 100 is strange...
14:42<o_be_one>my /boot/ use only 62M
14:43<o_be_one>(du -sh)
14:43<o_be_one>but my /lib ... ;(
14:43<mase>oh, 62 is much, could be the half...
14:43<o_be_one>181M
14:43<mase>(with two kernels)
14:44<o_be_one>oh yeah have one kernel backed up (old), il remove it
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14:45<mase>and 181M is also quite high for lib; checked the /lib/modules directory for any garbage kernels?
14:45<scott_>Hey, guys I just installed a bunch of stuff from the command line to try to install my video driver but it's not working and I don't know how to undo what I just did,... I should format my hard drive and reinstall Debian?
14:45<o_be_one>ok
14:45<o_be_one>mase, my /boot is now only 29M
14:46<o_be_one> / use 95% of 322M so use 289M
14:46<o_be_one>i've installed nvidia non free driver, compiz-fusion, wine, vmware workstation 7 ...
14:46<kop>scott_: That depends. If you used aptitude/apt-get/synaptic/etc. just un-install and it'll go back to the way it was.
14:47<o_be_one>oh i'm using x64
14:47<kop>!tell o_be_one about enter
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14:47<mase>well, "/" is quite underdimensioned by the debian installer in the case of using two kernels. i also "just" have 77M free there
14:47<o_be_one>mase, /lib/modules : 2 kernel : 166M :o
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14:48<o_be_one>kop, i use always apt-get
14:48<kop>!tell o_be_one about why aptitude
14:48<o_be_one>and remove by apt-get autoremove --purge
14:49<o_be_one>you think that aptiture is better than apt-get ?
14:49<o_be_one>i don't know the difference
14:49<mase>apt-get is perfect...
14:49<kop>o_be_one: These days mostly conflict/dependency resolution.
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14:50<o_be_one>ok
14:50<o_be_one>mase, for /lib/modules, what do you want to say ?
14:50<scott_>in this command do I put my kernel version in where it says "version"? m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
14:51<mase>o_be_one mine is a little but smaller, but seems to be ok on your side
14:51<o_be_one>okay ive read some PM, okay for aptitude i see it's powerfull !
14:51<mase>o_be_one at last you can have a look at /tmp
14:51<o_be_one> /tmp is in other part
14:51<mase>oh, sorry
14:52<o_be_one>3M used only :s
14:52<o_be_one>hum i'll be back, i need to eat now (in France it's 8:52pm)
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15:00<vxs>Hey I want to take all my DVDS and make them into .avi, .mpg or similar - I think lossless will be quickest and that is fine. What's the best way to do this?
15:00<dr|z3d>vxs: apt-cache search dvd |grep rip
15:00<dr|z3d>That will show you some possibles.
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15:03<vxs>Thanks I have tried a number of ripping software but they all seem to encode the DVD which takes a long time. dvdbackup or vobcopy looks more promising but I would like a single file rather than lots of VOBs
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15:13<Guest2012>Hallo to all guys
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15:14<Guest2012>how I can register on this irc server?
15:14<retrospectacus>talk to NickServ
15:15<mase>what do you mean with register? to a blocked on for non-registered users?
15:15<Guest2012>is the first time I use irc
15:16<Guest2012>and the server told me and change my nick
15:16-!-forest [~mars@h-67-100-144-18.nycmny83.static.covad.net] has joined #debian
15:16<Guest2012>but I don't know what I must do ...
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15:18<Guest2012>but this isn't a big problem
15:18<Guest2012>some body have alredi expirience whit a emulex optic fibre card?
15:19<Guest2012>exactli model LP952
15:19<Guest2012>(sorry if my englesh is not perfect)
15:20<Guest2012>on debian website (and in the web) I search but I found only is working whit debian lenny
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15:21<Guest2012>but my linux box on the message in the bootstrap print out to me an error
15:22<themill>judd pciid 10df:f095
15:22<judd>themill: [10df:f095] is 'LP952 Fibre Channel Host Adapter' from 'Emulex Corporation' with kernel module 'lpfc' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10df:f095
15:22<Guest2012>lpfc: ..... like filed to init.....
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15:22<Guest2012>oh! tank's
15:23<Guest2012>:(
15:23<Guest2012>already so that befoure then buy the card
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15:25<Guest2012>the kernel I use is a 2.6.26-2-686
15:25<Guest2012>and I have try to fix the problem whit a relaes 30 of the 2.6 x86 kernel
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15:25<Guest2012>but it isn't
15:26<Titan8990>Guest2012, what error?
15:27<Guest2012>is filed to init
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15:27<Guest2012>some second and give you the complite output
15:27<o_be_one>i'm back :)
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15:28<Guest2012>Jan 9 14:10:28 ssdsmb1tls kernel: lpfc 0000:03:01.0: 0:0442 Adapter failed to init, mbxCmd x88 CONFIG_PORT, mbxStatus x12 Data: x0
15:28<Guest2012>Jan 9 14:10:28 ssdsmb1tls kernel: lpfc 0000:03:01.0: 0:0442 Adapter failed to init, mbxCmd x88 CONFIG_PORT, mbxStatus x12 Data: x0
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15:28<Guest2012>this is the output I receve on dmesg
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15:34<Titan8990>Guest2012, no need to PM
15:34<Guest2012>soory
15:34<Guest2012>*sorry
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15:34<Titan8990>np, I don't have any ideas on that however
15:34<Titan8990>I would consider filing a bug report
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15:34<Guest2012>ok
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15:37<Guest2012>what I'm try to do is make comunicate a hp MSA1500 CS whit a debian box (lenny) for managment and do iSCSI
15:38<Guest2012>via optic fibre network
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15:39<Guest2012>I didn't know if is important but ven i run in the bash shell the comand lspci -vv
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15:40<Guest2012>on the optic adapter I have only a kernel modules: lpfc
15:40<Guest2012>but nothing kernel driver
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15:43<zestyr>hello world
15:43<Guest2012>hello zestyr
15:43<zestyr>hi i'm french
15:43<zestyr>about you?
15:43<Guest2012>hi i'm italien
15:44<zestyr>ok it's cool
15:44<zestyr>what time is it at italy?
15:44<Guest2012>15 minuts to 10 pm
15:44<zestyr>same
15:45<zestyr>xD
15:45<Guest2012>but I think haven't alot different in french
15:45<Guest2012>hehe rigth
15:45<zestyr>yeah
15:45<zestyr>you're on ubuntu ?
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15:45<Guest2012>no I'm run debian lenny
15:46<zestyr>okay
15:46<zestyr>i'm a problem
15:46<zobel>sure you are... :)
15:46<Guest2012>if I can help
15:46<zestyr>i installed wine
15:46<zobel>you probably mean: you have a problem... not you are....
15:47<zestyr>& i dont can load a nativ prog of windows
15:47<Guest2012>whitc one?
15:47<Guest2012>*which
15:48<zestyr>when go on my harddisk windows
15:48<ml|>zestyr: are you using ubuntu?
15:48<Guest2012>I mean the program of windows you try to run
15:48<zestyr>yeah
15:48<zestyr>i'd load
15:48<zestyr>processus gestions
15:48<ml|>zestyr: ask in #ubuntu on freenode then
15:48<zestyr>with wine
15:49<zestyr>so ?
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15:50<ml|>zestyr: ubuntu is not supported here
15:50<zestyr>you're a bot
15:50<zestyr>or a reality person?
15:50<zestyr>xD
15:50<zestyr>so byebye
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15:57<ikkerus>hey
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15:58<Guest2012>hello ikkerus
15:58<ikkerus>Nice to be here
15:59<ikkerus>I just have some trouble with keyring...
15:59<ikkerus>Nothing special
15:59<Guest2012>which kind of trouble?
16:00<ikkerus>I just importet a key and want to add it
16:00<Guest2012>but?
16:00<ikkerus>and getting "no valid pgp data found"
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16:00<ikkerus>when i use "pgp --export "keyid" | apt-key add -
16:00<Guest2012>which repository you try to add?
16:01<ikkerus>debian.meebey.net
16:01<ikkerus>pubkey EEF946C8
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16:02<ikkerus>Guest2012: have you tried it, too?
16:02<ikkerus>I'm using latest lenny release
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16:03<Guest2012>no I didn't
16:03<Guest2012>but I'm searching some thing can help you
16:04<ikkerus>ahh :)
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16:04<ikkerus>the command apt-key --export <keyid> | apt-key add - works
16:05<ikkerus>but still the packages I want to install cannot be authenticated
16:05<ikkerus>thank you :)
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16:05<Guest2012>maybe the keyring is old or wrong...
16:05<Guest2012>but I'm not sure
16:06<ikkerus>This is possible
16:06<ikkerus>when I list the keys it shows the following date: 2004-04-04
16:07<ikkerus>I haven't used pgp so much before
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16:08<gdb>Are you adding the key as root?
16:08<Guest2012>me to
16:08<ikkerus>gdb: Yes I do it as root
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16:08<ikkerus>the add works... just my command I tried wont work
16:08<ikkerus>but still the packages cannot be authenticated
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16:09<ikkerus>I can override this with a "y" but actually I won'T
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16:11<ikkerus>Guest2012: I just don't want to wait for smuxi backports at backports org.. smuxi has twitter support now :)
16:12<marco_84>now I didn't found nothing
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16:12<marco_84>do you can give to me the complite line of repository you try to add?
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16:13<ikkerus>yes just wait a sec... changing the computer...
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16:13<gdb>I don't use backports. I use /opt ;)
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16:13<marco_84>sorry I'm guest2012
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16:14<ikkerus>marco_84: deb http://debian.meebey.net/lenny-backports/smuxi /
16:14<ikkerus>ahhh
16:14<ikkerus>Thanks :)
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16:17<marco_84>http://packages.debian.org/source/lenny-backports/debian-backports-keyring
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16:17<marco_84>I have found this keyring for backports
16:17<marco_84>repository
16:17<ikkerus>gdb: /opt is another option but I it's not my opinion
16:17<ikkerus>yes
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16:18<ikkerus>you just can do this for adding backports.org keyrings http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
16:19<marco_84>that isn't what you serch, yes?
16:19<ikkerus>Yes.
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16:20<ikkerus>I used a public keyserver like this to import the key
16:20<ikkerus> apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.surfnet.nl --recv-keys EEF946C8
16:21<ikkerus>then I startet to add the key: apt-key export EEF946C8 | apt-key add - << as root
16:21<ikkerus>Then the key was successfully added
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16:23<ikkerus>But as I tried to install smuxi (which is stored in this repository) I still get "the packages could not be authenticated". the workaround is to say "yes" but I'm willing to understand what's happening, why the key could not be authenticated
16:23<marco_84>but you recive the same "error" when you try to install
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16:25<marco_84>http://debian.meebey.net/
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16:25<marco_84>try to go there and download a Relase.gpg and add that
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16:29<ikkerus>sorry marco_84
16:29<ikkerus>Just got a smuxi exception
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16:30<marco_84>ikkerus do you read the message befoure?
16:30<hscade_>s/befoure/before
16:31<marco_84>sorry my write englesh isn't perfect
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16:33<ikkerus>marco_84: mine, too
16:33<ikkerus>are you actually german?
16:33<ikkerus>:D
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16:35<marco_84>no I' italien
16:35<marco_84>no I'm italien
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16:40<ikkerus>marco_84: Ahhh alright. :) How long are you using debian?
16:40<marco_84>now is 3 years
16:40-!-max1234 [~max@adsl-145-127-245.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
16:41<marco_84>but I have find is more sample (for me) use debian then windows
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16:41<max1234>Will someone please help me get into a openbox chat? Or does one even exist?
16:41-!-adema [~adema@aqu33-7-78-232-32-140.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #debian
16:41<marco_84>maybe becous have more support
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16:42<ikkerus>marco_84: becous?
16:42<fgh>how do i set so i have only one change to type right password before sshd discons me and i have to reconnect?
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16:43<ikkerus>I'm still using bot OS... I'm not confident enough to work at home with linux only
16:43<marco_84>*because
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16:44<marco_84>fgh what you mean soryy?
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16:45<marco_84>ikkerus : I take confidence whit the time
16:45<max1234>Does anyone know of an openbox chat anywhere?
16:45<dr|z3d>!openbox
16:45<dpkg>it has been said that openbox is an X window manager, originally based on <Blackbox> 0.65.0, then rewritten in C, no code based on Blackbox since v3.0. http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:FAQ http://www.openbox.org/ #openbox on irc.oftc.net.
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16:46<ikkerus>max1234: sorry ,no
16:46<max1234>ok well does anyone know how I can get pypanel working?
16:46<o_be_one>a friend wants to leave Windows for Debian Squeeze ... So he wants to know if the ATI crossfire is fully supported with catalyst for linux ? HD3840
16:47<marco_84>I think it is
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16:48<Titan8990>o_be_one, why squeeze?
16:48<marco_84>do you can make sure on the official web site www.ati.com
16:48<Titan8990>marco_84, that is not the correct place to get ati drivers for debian...
16:48<Titan8990>!ati
16:48<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
16:48<Titan8990>!fglrx
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16:48<dpkg>somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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16:49<marco_84>yes but you can follow the redirect...
16:50<o_be_one>Titan8990, because testing offer last release of softwares ...
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16:50<max1234>Can someone briefly explain to be the difference in Debian and Ubuntu
16:50<Titan8990>o_be_one, why not use a bleeding-edge distro instead of the broken testing version of a stability-oriened one?
16:51<o_be_one>bleeding-edge distro ?
16:51<o_be_one>like ubuntu ? :$
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16:51<Titan8990>o_be_one, new software distro.... arch, fedora, sidux, gentoo, etc
16:51<Titan8990>opensuse....
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16:52<o_be_one>we like Debian, and i know well Debian
16:52<Titan8990>o_be_one, if your friend is not an experience linux user who can fix his own problems, he certainly should not use squeeze
16:52<o_be_one>Sidux can be a solution
16:52<max1234>What is better about Debian than Ubuntu?
16:52<o_be_one>but Sid ... Too unstable no ?
16:53<Titan8990>o_be_one, IMO, anything not "stable" shouldn't be ran for anything other than testing future debian software
16:53<o_be_one>Titan8990, we are student in computer science school so we don't fear about linux :p
16:53<dr|z3d>max1234: It's better if you like your OS's unencumbered by non-free software, for one thing.
16:53<o_be_one>and i'm already experienced in Debian
16:53<Titan8990>o_be_one, it is recommended that you run lenny and install newer packages from backports as needed
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16:54<o_be_one>i have already use ubuntu but ubuntu is to ... unstable, curious ... so i've decided to use Debian Squeeze and after configuration it works good
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16:54<Titan8990>max1234, ubuntu has 6mo release cycles, releases are not supported from long before they shut off the repos. ubuntu support 3 computer archs, debian supports 12
16:54<o_be_one>lenny + backports ? but backports will give all we need ?
16:54<o_be_one>because ive already tried and some package wasn't present ..
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16:54<Titan8990>max1234, ubuntu is a bleeding-edge distro backed by a company for profit. debian is a community of a non-profit org
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16:55<Titan8990>o_be_one, possibly not everything
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16:56<max1234>So If I have been playing with linux for a couple months now do you think im ready to make the dive into debian? Or stick with the basics for a bit longer?
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16:56<o_be_one>Titan8990, i see what you want to say
16:56<o_be_one>it's an idea :)
16:57<o_be_one>my Debian Squezze is already fully configured
16:57<o_be_one>but i'll consider it for futures experiences
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16:58<o_be_one>Titan8990, can you tell me if Sidux is better than Sid ? I want to know .. I'm curious ! I've make the choose of Squeeze to help Debian org and to get latest packages
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16:59<o_be_one>about ATI, the url does-nt talks about crossfire :(
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17:00<Titan8990>o_be_one, well, the major difference is that sidux is supported by the sidux community. sid is not supported by the debian community (unless you count the BTS)
17:01<o_be_one>oh okey, thanks :)
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17:03<Ajurna>sup
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17:04<Ajurna>I wanted to check my gfx card temperature and noticed this : http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4191/bildschirmfotoks.png just curious ... why the difference
17:06<max1234>How come the only chat I can find people in is this and the Ubuntu chat? Am I not looking in the right places?
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17:08<marco_84>some one can tould me the link of bug report of debian lenny?
17:08<adis_>as i can see e17 is available in sid repositories but there is nowhere entrance. anyone to know why entrance missing from sid/experimental repositories?
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17:43<alvcard>???
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17:50<ikkerus>marco_84: good night and thank you again :)
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17:56<opticon>with nomachine server installed on debian i can connect to with client from another pc but nothing with gnome works shows desktop is that how its supposed to be?
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17:57<shino>installed Deb-Lenny and kept my ubuntu /home partition. when i logged into my account my mouse moves sluggish. when i made a new account in debian the move moves fine.
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19:01<Pixar>hi, which IM client has the get info thing pinging the user who i'm chatting so i can grab his ip? I think it came on instalation in the past on one of these 3 distros: debian, slackware of fedora. please help
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19:23<max1234>how do I figure out what display driver I have?
19:24<sney`>lspci |grep VGA
19:24<sney`>or rather that shows your video card
19:24<max1234>i type that in the terminal?
19:24<sney`>yes
19:25<chealer>max1234: see xorg.conf, if was mentioned see your X log
19:25<chealer>s/was/not/
19:26<sney`>glxinfo usually knows as well but you'd need to install mesa-utils
19:26<max1234>Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)...Is this pretty old?
19:27<max1234>where do I find xorg.conf
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19:28<chealer>max1234: that's your graphics chipset, not the driver
19:29<chealer>max1234: in /etc/X11/
19:29<max1234>oh I don't know much about hardware, i'm just trying to make sure I have the best packages installed
19:30<chealer>sney`: glxinfo doesn't tell the driver
19:30<max1234>It won't let me open that folder in openbox anyways, thanks for your help
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19:37<mdmarmer>!remove kde
19:37<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE, do: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want).
19:37<Bluehaze>anyone know when a stable version of debian kernel will drop with support for the e1000 intel nick cards?
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19:37<m3onh0x84>Bluehaze, I use 2.6.30 and see very stable
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19:38<m3onh0x84>I want to ask: how to add free dns to webserver on debian
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19:42<Bluehaze>m3onh0x84 i am pretty new to debian. i unfortunately have to build linux workstation. i have updated the kernel to .6.30 and while i can see the e1000e loaded..it still does not recognize my specific intel nic card. so i went to kmuto.com and downloaded the kernel that would see this silly card..unfortunately someone informed me that while that is all well and good. that kernel is not supported..thus i really can do security updates on it.
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19:43<m3onh0x84>Bluehaze, no , :D
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19:44<m3onh0x84>I think you need download your driver and add it to kernel
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19:44<m3onh0x84>so don't recompile
19:44<Bluehaze>yea.. easier said than done at my skill level :)
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19:47<babilen>what's the problem?
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19:49<Mish->I have Debian 5 on ESXi (Only server running on this ESXi instance). It has a battery backed RAID controller in RAID5. On boot the server is getting disk throughput of HUNDREDS of MB/sec. After a few hours it slows down to about 3MB/sec. Does anyone have any ideas?
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19:50<Bluehaze>ok so i know the specific drivers for my specific intel nic. can i add this to the linux kernel i have now and make it work? is that how it works in linux?
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19:52<babilen>Bluehaze: Add the module to /etc/modules so it will be automatically loaded on boot. You can load the module on a running system with "modprobe <module>"
19:53<babilen>Bluehaze: Which module are we talking about? You might need to install the appropriate firmware. If you want to know if the module loaded successfully run "modprobe <module>" and then "dmesg | tail -n 23"
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19:56<Bluehaze>babilen i am going to try to install the e1000e module
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19:56<babilen>!e1000e
19:56<dpkg>[e1000e] driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters. Support for the 82574L controller (ASUS Z8PE-D12, Supermicro X8STi-F motherboards) introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18, ask me about <5.0.3>. 82567LM-3 and 82567LM-4 supported in Linux 2.6.30, ask about <kmuto>. 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts supported in 2.6.31. Driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/
19:56<Bluehaze>i have the 8086:10de
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19:57<babilen>judd: pciid 8086:10de
19:57<judd>babilen: [8086:10de] is '82567LM-3 Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10de
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19:58<babilen>Bluehaze: It looks like you'll need a newer kernel. Do you know about backports?
19:58<Bluehaze>yes backport.org i went to that site.
19:58<babilen>or have you been through all this already?
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19:59<Bluehaze>doesnt work on those either. no thanks for your help babilen. i am just trying to figure it out and get this puzzle figured out on my end.
19:59<Bluehaze>i am slowly getting the picture.
19:59<Bluehaze>so i appreciate all the links you givin me.
20:00<Bluehaze>as i was saying.. i went to kmuto site and used the iso for installing debian from there. the nic card is seen and all is well.. unfortunately i was informed that since that kernel is not supported..it will never be supported.
20:00<Bluehaze>so while it does get the nic to work.. no security updates in the future.
20:01<babilen>kernel is not supported?
20:01<gsimmons>Bluehaze: So it _does_ work under the 2.6.30 kernel?
20:01<Bluehaze>gsimmons no it uses 2.6.32 trunk
20:01<Bluehaze>or something liek that
20:01<gsimmons>No, the kmuto images use 2.6.30.
20:02<babilen>Bluehaze: So the problem is not the NIC anymore (which does indeed work with the kmuto kernel) but that you assume that you don't get any security updates for the kernel?
20:02<Bluehaze>yes i was informed that.. if that is not the case.. well maybe i am still on the right track..
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20:03<babilen>you've said "the nic card is seen and all is well". I read that as: "I can install just fine with the netinstall from kmuto, because the NIC works great", correct?
20:04<Bluehaze>babilen, exactly.. i just finished installing on my 780 machine and nic works fine. kernel it uses is 2.6.32 trunk
20:04<babilen>gsimmons: kmuto provides images with 2.6.32 kernels now
20:05<babilen>Bluehaze: ok, what is the problem then?
20:05<Bluehaze>2.6.32-trunk-amd64
20:05<gsimmons>babilen: Hooray, maybe the bnx2 firmware is in the right location now.
20:06<hardwire>hua
20:06<hardwire>I just had to tackle that myself lately
20:06<Bluehaze>the problem is that this kernel is not the standard debian kernel that is stable thus run the risk of not being supported with security update? is that correct? i am sorry if i am not making sense. that is just what is told to me..thus i am asking you guys
20:06<hardwire>wrapped the firmware into the initramfs
20:06<babilen>gsimmons: that might just be the case :-D \o/
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20:08<babilen>Bluehaze: No, it is a "standard Debian kernel" it is just a backported one from a newer Debian version. I am not sure if kmuto includes backports in the sources.list by default. Could you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' so we can verify that?
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20:09<babilen>!tell Bluehaze -about pastebinit
20:09<fmiser>The Lenny installer (5.0) DVD finds my two parallel drives but not the two SATA drives even though the BIOS finds them just fine. Motherboard is an asus a8v. Any ideas how to install onto one of the SATA drives?
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20:09<babilen>Bluehaze: "apt-cache policy | pastebinit" and give us the URL
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20:10<babilen>fmiser: It might be that the SATA controller is not supported by the kernel in stable. Do you know which one it is? Do you (by chance) have the pciid? (lspci -nn)
20:12<Bluehaze>babilen does that output the sources.lst file? if so i overwrote it with what we normally use.. if not then i guess it would show you the information you need. this is a machine i can reinstall as many times i need to get it right :). give me a sec to figure out how to do what you just said.. reading the dpkg message.
20:13<babilen>Bluehaze: Just "aptitude install pastebinit" and "apt-cache policy | pastebinit" and post the URL
20:14<fmiser>babilen: I actually have an sarge/etch/lenny upgrade running on one of the parallel drives, but I suspect the drive _may_ be failing - so I figured I'd do a fresh install on the new sata drive. I have the machine running a live CD right now so....
20:15<fmiser>00:0f.0 IDE interface [0101]: VIA Technologies, Inc., VT8251 AHCI/SATA 4-Port Controller [1106:3349]
20:15<babilen>judd: pciid 1106:3349
20:15<judd>babilen: [1106:3349] is 'VT8251 AHCI/SATA 4-Port Controller' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'ahci' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3349
20:16<babilen>fmiser: should work fine ...
20:16<babilen>fmiser: but what do you mean by "sarge/etch/lenny upgrade" ?
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20:16<babilen>was the controller recognised correctly on sarge or etch?
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20:18<fmiser>bablien: *grin* This harddrive was with a different motherboard running sarge. I upgraded to etch. The motherboard failed, but in a new one. Upgraded to lenny.
20:18<Bluehaze>babilen sorry was giving me issues.. said incorrect argument but figure it out. here http://pastebin.com/f6184cacf
20:20<babilen>fmiser: so, you upgraded and decided to reinstall afterwards, which fails because the d-i does not recognise your controller/devices?
20:20<fmiser>The controller has been working fine. In the last couple weeks the computer has started spontaniously rebooting. Doesn't seem to do it booting from a live CD. So I'm blaming the harddrive. But the two sata drives have not been a problem.
20:20<babilen>*shrug* ... not sure then
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20:21<fmiser>babilen: I upgraded months ago.
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20:21<fmiser>So the installed DVD should find all four of my drives - huh? Two ata and two sata?
20:22<babilen>Bluehaze: No, you don't have backports enabled. You might want to do that. Could you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-{amd64,i386}
20:22<babilen>please ..
20:22<babilen>fmiser: sure
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20:23<fmiser>I did switch to a different console and tried modprobe. While there I noticed that /dev/ didn't have any "sd*" drives.
20:24<fmiser>sata_via is the module I inserted. No errors.
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20:24<babilen>Bluehaze: You can also run 'aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image' first and then paste the output of 'apt-cache policy <linux-image-package-that-is-installed>'
20:25<fmiser>Went back to the installer and ran again the "check for hardware" that's just before partitioning. The partitioner still only had the ata drives listed.
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20:27<babilen>Bluehaze: but you probably want to include the backports repository anyway .. (I am just curious)
20:27<babilen>!tell Bluehaze -about backports
20:27<babilen>!tell Bluehaze -about bpo
20:27<Bluehaze>http://pastebin.com/f745f0ac4
20:28<Bluehaze>thanks babilen. now i understand the jargon of backport.
20:29<babilen>Bluehaze: no problem. I realised that you were a little confused about kmuto vs backports.
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20:39<m3onh0x84>!bye
20:39<dpkg>Cya, m3onh0x84
20:39<m3onh0x84>:-/
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21:15<twb>Is any integer benchmark (e.g. specint or dhrystone) easily available in Debian?
21:15<twb>I can't see one in the admin::benchmarking debtag.
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21:15<Hydroxide>twb: are they freely redistributable? I don't think SPEC benchmarks generally are
21:16<twb>Hydroxide: the spec ones aren't, no.
21:16<Hydroxide>twb: so debian couldn't distribute them, or if it could it would create a minefield for anyone who wanted to redistribute non-free
21:17<Hydroxide>twb: I think debian at minimum tries to keep non-free including only things that allow free-of-charge non-commercial redistribution, and of course has stricter requirements for main and contrib
21:17<twb>This is why I gave SPECint as an *example*, rather than asking for it specifically.
21:17<Hydroxide>twb: ok. I don't know which integer benchmarks exist, if you know of integer benchmarks that can be redistributed, feel free to file a "RFP" bug, which makes a public request for someone to package it
21:18<Hydroxide>http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ has info on that
21:18<twb>It seems that the dhrystone test is only a thousand lines long, and is linked from the wikipedia page.
21:19<twb>That'll suffice for my hand-wavy totally bogus use case.
21:20<Hydroxide>twb: I don't see any permission to redistribute there. someone could request such permission and preserve the email that grants it... if the wikipedia link meets your needs, then I'm happy.
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21:27<cesurasean>I'm having trouble getting an compaq proliant DL360 to recognize hard drives with it's compaq smart array 5i controller. im reading the website, and im reading this: Internal hot plug capacity up to 145.6 GB (2 x 72.8 GB 1² HD) - well, the hard drives im trying to use, and the only 70 anything gigs ive known of is a 73 gig. should this still work, and bump itself down? i thought all was needed was it to be a scsi ultra 3? was i wr
21:28<cesurasean>or is 72.8 GB the same as 73GB? i would assume so, yes? since thats the biggest drive of ultra 3 anyways? sorry this is not all debian related but you guys offer me some good help and hopefully dont mind....
21:28<cesurasean>ive never used scsi before and im lost! this controller card is confusing, quite a bit!
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21:34<cesurasean>is Ultra3 and Ultra320, the same?
21:35<cesurasean>nevermind
21:35<cesurasean>but, can someone help me as to determine if (2 x 72.8-GB Wide Ultra3, 1² drives) is the same as having a 73GB drive? i would assume so, correct?
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21:52<twb>cesurasean: in a NEW RAID array, the size of each node is truncated to the size of the smallest node.
21:52<twb>cesurasean: if you're adding a new parity disk into an existing array, and the new disk is a little bit too small, I don't know what will happen.
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21:57<cesurasean>twb, im starting from scratch.
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21:57<cesurasean>twb, it doesn't seem to recognize my drives either. searching the internet, it seems 72.8gb and 73gb will both work fine...
21:58<cesurasean>as long as ultra 3
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21:59<cesurasean>how do i get it to recognize my drives?! does it HAVE to be 72.8gbs like HP says, or can it be a 73gb drive??!! others have 73gbs for sale on ebay with this machine!
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21:59<twb>cesurasean: since you're using hardware raid, you need to talk to your vendor.
22:00<twb>cesurasean: we can only help you with md (software) RAID.
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22:10<exploit>test
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22:11<kpt>anyone here?
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22:11<exploit>I am looking to add a media player to my back track os....what are some good media players and organizers?
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22:13<Guest2052>amarok
22:13<adb>!backtrack
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22:13<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.remote-exploit.org/backtrack.html #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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22:14<Guest2052>sorry << fairly new to linux
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22:53<rex>deb does not support webmin, correct?
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23:06<twb>!tell rex -about webmin
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23:09<rex>my shits all screwed up or something
23:09<rex> slash clear is a valid command right
23:10<twb>rex: that depends on your client.
23:10<twb>rex: I'm not familiar with libpurple, so I can't comment.
23:10<rex>its pidgin
23:11<rex>but i mean in like the linux terminal
23:11<twb>Pidgin is a front-end for libpurple.
23:11<rex>correct
23:11<rex>i know this
23:11<twb>clear(1) is a command, but /clear(1) is not.
23:11<rex>lol oh im just drunk
23:11<rex>confusing with IRC
23:13<rex>sorry everyone
23:13<rex>so is there something like webmin that is supported?
23:14<twb>Ebox is frequently mentioned, but I'm not impressed.
23:14<twb>The correct solution is really to learn how to administer your system properly.
23:15<rex>i should prolly just figure out apache and shit straight up
23:16<rex>what about lighthttpd
23:16<rex>supported?
23:17<rex>when i ask supported, i mean can i ask about it in deb irc
23:18<twb>This channel provides support for Debian. Third-party packages aren't Debian.
23:19<twb>IIRC lighttpd is in Debian, but if you've installed it from a third-party repository or installed it out-of-band, then we can't help you with that.
23:20<rex>gotcha
23:21<rex>half the reason deb irc is so popular is cause of the strictness, i hope yall know this
23:21<rex>anyway, im down either way
23:22<rex>whats ebox?
23:23<rex>wait so lighttpd is packaged with deb?
23:25<twb>dpkg -l lighttpd
23:25<dpkg>No packages found matching lighttpd
23:25<twb>dpkg -l *lighttpd*
23:25<dpkg>ii *lighttpd* 3.3-15.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
23:25<twb>Bleh
23:25<twb>rex: try "apt-cache policy lighttpd"
23:25<rex>!lighthttpd
23:26<rex>!lighttpd
23:26<dpkg>lighttpd is probably a small and fast HTTP server with a minimal memory footprint. To install: "aptitude install lighttpd lighttpd-doc", then read /etc/lighttpd/conf-available/README, see also http://localhost/ . http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://lighttpd.net/ #lighttpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <httpd>.
23:27<rex>!ebox
23:28<rex>!httpd
23:28<dpkg>methinks httpd is a generic name for a <HTTP> daemon. The most common HTTP daemon program on Linux systems is <apache>. Others include <thttpd>, <lighttpd>, <nginx>, <caudium> and <cherokee>.
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23:29<rex>!nginx
23:29<dpkg>Nginx (engine x) is an open source HTTP server, reverse proxy and POP3/IMAP/SMTP proxy. http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxFaq http://www.nginx.net/ #nginx on irc.freenode.net. See also <httpd>.
23:29<edbian>If I run a bash script that runs another program does that program run using my privileges?
23:30<rex>i would assume so
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23:32<rex>!httpd
23:32<dpkg>methinks httpd is a generic name for a <HTTP> daemon. The most common HTTP daemon program on Linux systems is <apache>. Others include <thttpd>, <lighttpd>, <nginx>, <caudium> and <cherokee>.
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23:33*rex its all ones and zeroz
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23:37*rex is rex***
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23:39*rex has figured out his destiny
23:40<rex>methinks revolution is sooner than yall think
23:41<rex>its all about the data
23:41<edbian>Can you not change permissions of a file over fuse?
23:42<rex>what is fuse? i'm having trouble doing chomod +rw file.txt vs chomod 666 file.txt
23:44<rex>or 777
23:44<rex>either way
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23:45<rex>chmod*
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23:47<rex>basically hook it up
23:47<rex>333
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23:59<tkl>hello
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