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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-16

---Logopened Sat Jan 16 00:00:11 2010
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01:31<snogglethorpe>hm, there's a new libjpeg8!
01:31<snogglethorpe>i wonder what's different...
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01:35<jmarsden>snogglethorpe: Don't wonder, read:
01:36<jmarsden>Or do you mean new upstream source that isn't in Debian yet?
01:36<snogglethorpe>libjpeg8 just showed up in aptitude
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01:37<jmarsden> Then the above link shows you its Debian changelog.
01:37<snogglethorpe>hm but isn't that libjpeg7?
01:37<snogglethorpe>(can't install it because it wants to punt older jpeg libs, and that makes other packages unhappy)
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01:38<hakanbey>hi everybody
01:39<hakanbey>is there anyone?
01:39<jmarsden>snogglethorpe: apt-get source the source package and read all the code, if you want :) The source package for linjpeg8 is, AFAIK, libjpeg-progs, and the page I linked to is for the Changelog of the most recent version of that to get into Squeeze
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01:41<hakanbey>can i ask a question?
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01:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:44<hakanbey>ok :)
01:44<hakanbey>i am using debian 5
01:44<hakanbey>and i am new
01:46<hakanbey>when i set up a package, how can i that package's program
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01:47<hakanbey>for example i set up a package which name is irccs and i didn't find its icon
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01:52<jmarsden>irccs? In Lenny? Are you sure about that? apt-cache search irccs does not find such a package...
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01:53<jmarsden>hakanbey: You can try running dpkg -L irccs to list all the files that package installed, if you really have a package called irccs
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01:58<m3onh0x84>hi all,
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01:59<m3onh0x84>I can not use keyboard and mouse on debian gui ? may be anyone help me ?
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02:04<tp43>can someone help me, I want to use lxde and I want to install compiz fusion, well, in the first place, I think openbox has some nice visual effects but they are going to fast, How do you adjust the speeds? And anyone know of directions for install compiz fusion on lxde? I can only find for gnome and kde
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02:06<m3onh0x84>why don't have anyone reply ?
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02:08<tp43>sleepy time I guess
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02:31<kilelme>hi.. what best pascal IDE compiler for debian ?
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02:36<wolf-x>hi! how i can search packages installed from "testing" in "Lenny"?
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02:38<wolf-x>i think, it may be something like: aptitude -t testing search ~i, but it returns a list of currently installed packages (
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02:43<m3onh0x84>hi all, I want to ask: what's live distribution can recovery all populary linux system ?
02:46<wolf-x>of course, latest version knoppix 6.1, debian based :)
02:46<ml|>wolf-x: mixing stable with testing is not a good idea
02:48<ml|>m3onh0x84: not sure what you are asking; but take a look a grml
02:49<wolf-x>i know, but i tried new version of xen from squeeze and aptitude installed some new libs, wich won't 2 clean
02:50<m3onh0x84>ml|, I want to find 1 distribution can recovery all confi of popula distro
02:51<m3onh0x84>short, this live cd can recovery all popula distribution
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02:52<ml|>m3onh0x84: what is your native language?
02:52<jmarsden>m3onh0x84: Your English is not entirely clear. What do you mean by "recovery" ? Recover from what kind of issue(s)?
02:53<m3onh0x84>jmarsden, yes
02:53<m3onh0x84>this live cd can recover all popular linux distribution config
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02:54<wolf-x>sorry, i need help(
02:54<jmarsden>m3onh0x84: Recover FROM WHAT KIND OF ISSUES? Answer the question, or find a support channel in your own language, this is not working well...
02:54<m3onh0x84>jmarsden, sorry
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02:55<m3onh0x84>wolf-x, what's happen ?
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02:57<wolf-x>how i can search packages installed from "testing" in "Lenny"?
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02:59<m3onh0x84>wolf-x, You need add new repository to apt
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03:01<m3onh0x84>who's debhelper
03:01<ml|>wolf-x: apt-show-versions should do what you want; but again you should not mix stable and testing
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03:02<m3onh0x84>who's test bot ?
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03:06<kilelme>hi, anyone know about pascal compiler for debian
03:07<cahoot>aptitude search pascal
03:08<cahoot>maybe rather aptitude show gpc
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03:09<kilelme>i mean .. what best pascal compiler for newbie?
03:10<kilelme>like netbean IDE
03:10<kilelme>maybe pascal have IDE too?
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03:11<hakanbey>hi .. i have a question:-can i install debian an external disk? (i am using two OS in my computer now )
03:11<wolf-x>lazaurus - IDE for FPC
03:12<kilelme>what it is FPC?
03:13<cahoot>kilelme: aptitude show fpc
03:13<wolf-x>kilelme, Free Pascal Compilier
03:13<ravenbird>kilelme: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
03:14<kilelme>revenbird: what you mean??
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03:14<cahoot>it's a bot
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03:17<wolf-x>ml|: danke
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03:29<wolf-x>Q: i have installed grub2 with GPT and xen from lenny, but it not booting with grub non graphical console, anybody have catced this BUG?
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03:53<luis>hola muy buenos dias
03:54<wolf-x>prived chuvak :)
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03:55<luis>tengo un problemilla q no puedo solucionar y es que cuando conecto un disco duro externo me dice que no se puede montar el volumen. que solucion hay para ese error? gracias
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03:56<wolf-x>luis: do you speak english?
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04:01<luis>no, I speak spanish
04:01<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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04:07<K0JIbKA>:)Hi, all
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04:09<wolf-x>K0JIbKA: /join #debian-russian
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04:21<enelya>guten morgen
04:24<enelya>kann mir jemand sagen wie ich zu quakenet wechsel?
04:24<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
04:25<enelya>thank you
04:25<Supaplex>no problem
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04:28<K0JIbKA>Any idea when there's gonna be next stable release of Debian? What it will be named for?
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04:30<wolf-x>K0JIbKA: april 2010
04:30<K0JIbKA>Wow! Soon...
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04:30<Supaplex>wolf-x meant easter. no neccessarily this easter.
04:31<K0JIbKA>Terms may vary. Result matters
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04:34<EmleyMoor>Next stable will be called "squeeze"
04:35<wolf-x>Supaplex: jesus resurected! )
04:36<Supaplex>you'd think more people knew that
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04:38<wolf-x>Supaplex realy!)
04:38<enelya>guten morgen
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04:40<K0JIbKA>What do you think of Was it useful for you to solve problems? Let's do not start flames about /man
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05:11<allu2>btw any idea when squeeze will be stable?
05:12<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>
05:12<allu2>thank you :)
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05:24<mase>how can i get user information like full name from terminal?
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05:26<egamonal>hi, my motherboard and cpu broke up, so I have to change them. Will I need to reinstall Debian??
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05:28<stubuntu>hi i need some help with the ubuntu server network
05:28<stubuntu>anyone here atm
05:29<locklace>egamonal: not necessarily
05:29<locklace>stubuntu: why would you ask such a question in #debian
05:31<stubuntu>locklace, i have installed ubuntu studio and i cant access the ubuntu server on irc. it has opened up a channell #ubuntu-unregged instead of the usual #ubuntu. i cant join anyother channel and noone is talking in there.
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05:31<fnmueller>got root?
05:32<stubuntu>yes i do fnm
05:32<locklace>stubuntu: so? what does that have to do with debian support?
05:32<fnmueller>stubuntu: loose root, it's a protection for yoursekf
05:32<stubuntu>fnmueller, root should not affect the use of xchat irc application
05:33<fnmueller>stubuntu: well, you are in the wring channel + I think I know what I am talking about
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05:33<stubuntu>fnmueller, i just opened up xchat and i cant get in. on ubuntu 9.10 it works straight off. but on studio it will not
05:33<stubuntu>anyone know how i ccan regester a nickname on freenode.
05:34<stubuntu>fnmueller, if you did read what i said i cant get into there
05:34<stubuntu>and no one is responding to the channel i am in
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05:34<locklace>stubuntu: why are you still here talking about this? nothing you're asking has anything to do with debian
05:34<stubuntu>this is the onl other server and channell i can get into
05:35<stubuntu>locklace, if i could get into the ubuntu network then i would not be here ok
05:35<stubuntu>dont believe me then but its truwe.
05:36<locklace>"/server", "/msg nickserv help register", and join #ubuntu there
05:37<stubuntu>thanks that is all i needed to know your a gem
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05:39<K0JIbKA>What's the program to set up GNOME panel bar look Mac-like. i.e. sliding icons at the screen bottom
05:40<edhunter>K0JIbKA: perhaps you are talking about cairo-dock but that has nothing to do with the GNOME panel afaik
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05:41<icapca>any 1 from san jose
05:41<stubuntu>K0JIbKA, google how to make debian look like mac
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05:44<edhunter>stubuntu: read ubuntu-unregged topic do what is says get into ubuntu and btw sending new users to get their nicks registered is imo a joke
05:44<stubuntu>edhunter, i know neever happens on regular ubuntu just studio
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05:45<simonrvn>edhunter: yeh, and watch the registered users laugh at you because you can't get in when the channel's locked down ;)
05:45<marcel>hi, what would be a good/easy way to install freenet? (im using lenny)
05:45<edhunter>stubuntu: it has nothing to do with studio. its a (stupid) ubuntu policy
05:45<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
05:47<marcel>simonrvn: is that pointed to me?
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05:47<simonrvn>marcel: yes.
05:47<stubuntu>edhunter, i never got this with ubuntu 9.10 before just since studio so it is to do woth that ok
05:48<marcel>simonrvn: well ofcourse its not in the repos
05:48<simonrvn>it used to be, iirc
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05:50<edhunter>stubuntu: i dont use ubuntu. not studion not pure ubuntu. i use debian and i still get that. you should do what ubuntu-unrege says and/or post in the ubuntu forums asking y they want you to register. either way ubuntu talk is off topic here as this is #debian
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05:52<stubuntu>i know thanks for your help. it pays to help one day when i have learnt ubuntu abit i will go to debian and build my own os from it i think
05:52<wolf-x>i have cdma modem AnyDATA ADU-500A. I can't coonnect it. dmesg log: b 3-1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd usb_modeswitch rqt 128 rq 6 len 255 ret -110
05:52<edhunter>stubuntu: good luck with that :)
05:54<stubuntu>yes i started off with mint now on ubuntu then working my way back and am loving it. i dont even use xp any more just pure linux
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05:55<fnmueller>pure linux?
05:56<K0JIbKA>Concerning other OSes. I would never switch to any other but Debian if only it was able to run wine or other emulator. Free of charge
05:56<fnmueller>Wine Is Not An Emulator
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06:01<K0JIbKA>fnmueller: yes, of course
06:02<K0JIbKA>But still, game market is ignoring linux community
06:03<K0JIbKA>And is wasting investments
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06:04<fnmueller>K0JIbKA: eod
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06:07<K0JIbKA>The key word is myth. I've read that. Wine either is to be converted to commercial product or ...
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06:10<anv>I have tried to obtain working Debian testing installation cd without success, all including: netinst,cd1,business card fail.
06:12<anv>I believe I tried these last time does someone know where to gat working install media
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06:14<K0JIbKA>Usually your ISP local networkcontains all what is needed
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06:14<K0JIbKA>At least mine does
06:15<anv>when installation starts and I should choose between languages, cursos stays over the first like it wouldn't recognize my keyboard
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06:17<anv>some media which I managed to burn hangs in network config at beginning, I have tested those MD5SUMS and they are ok
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06:31<stubuntu>the app hydrogen only available for ubuntu 9.10 64bin ??? any ideas how i can get it for i386.i686
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06:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
06:31<stubuntu>the app hydrogen only available for ubuntu 9.10 64bin ??? any ideas how i can get it for i386.i686
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06:32<stubuntu>oops wriong channel sorry all
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06:46<Passworder>Hi, i'm trying to get my USB-wireless device to work in Lenny. So far i've installed the rt2870sta driver from Backports. I found the device using iwconfig, and I configured the device using ifconfig ra0 up. The USB-device is flashing so it should be working. However, I cannot find any networks in for example Wicd. Anyone have any ideas?
06:49<BlackFate>Passworder, iwlist scan
06:50<stubuntu>hi is there a list of apps where i can find all the aps useful for creating backing tracks for musicians
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06:51<Passworder>BlackFate: It says on all devices (lo,eth0,ra0) that Interface doesn't support scanning. But on ra0 it also says : Invalid argument
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06:52<BlackFate>Passworder, what usb device you have?
06:53<BlackFate>did you install "firmware-ralink" ?
06:53<BlackFate>apt-get install firmware-ralink
06:54<marcel>does anyone here know how to install freenet on debian lenny?
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06:54<Passworder>BlackFate: hmm, let's see. I think it's a Ralink 2870. Yes I installed firmware
06:55<gsimmons>Passworder: What is its USB ID? (lsusb)
06:56<Passworder>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 148f:2770 Ralink Technology, Corp.
06:56<BlackFate>just this?
06:56<BlackFate>mine... --> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless Adapter
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06:57<BlackFate>Passworder, lsmod | grep rt
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06:57<Passworder>lsmod | grep rt
06:57<BlackFate>Passworder, paste it to pastebin
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06:58<enrico113>ciao a tutti
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06:58<BlackFate>Passworder, modprob -r rt2870sta
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06:58<BlackFate>Passworder, modprob rt73usb
06:59<BlackFate>try this
06:59<BlackFate>ifconfig -a
06:59<BlackFate>any new device?
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07:00<gsimmons>BlackFate: Uh, rt73usb is a different driver, which doesn't support RT2870-based devices.
07:00<Passworder>Nop, ra0 is still there.
07:00<mihkel>Hi. anybody else has problems with esd on sid?
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07:01<mihkel>why aptitude says that libesd0 is broken, when it is no even installed?
07:01<BlackFate>Passworder, ok revert what i said..
07:01<BlackFate>Passworder, try rt2870 without sta
07:01<musca>marcel: i think there is no package named freenet. What is it, where did it come from?
07:01<Passworder>BlackFate: modprobing?
07:02<BlackFate>Passworder, modprob -r rt73usb
07:02<mihkel>and I can't remove esound completely, because libgnome depends on it
07:02<BlackFate>Passworder, modprob rt2870
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07:02<gsimmons>BlackFate: There is no module named "rt2870" in 2.6.30.
07:02<Passworder>BlackFate: It cannot find the module.
07:02<gsimmons>Passworder: Consider using 2.6.32 from unstable. This resolved a rt2870sta issue involving the DWA-140 (Debian bug #553441).
07:03<Passworder>gsimmons: Ok, i'll try that.
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07:05<stubuntu>is it ok to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
07:05<mihkel>and it has been like that for a month atleast
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07:06<fnmueller>stubuntu: please go to the channel you need to be in
07:06<stubuntu>is it ok to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade in debian
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07:07<mihkel>stubuntu, why it wouldn't be
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07:08<stubuntu>mihkel, thanks just checking for my other computer
07:09<themill>stubuntu: you should know the difference between them as documented in "man apt-get" and "man aptitude". Also /msg dpkg why aptitude
07:10<stubuntu>the-dude, dpk has just quit y is that
07:10<stubuntu>* dpkg
07:12<edhunter>stubuntu: bot (dpkg) is here
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07:13<aropupu>okay, i'm having hard time finding any help about this with google, plus not having a graphical browser makes it even harder so i'll ask here
07:13<aropupu>just updated from stable to testing
07:13<aropupu>seems a lot of stuff went broke
07:13<aropupu>x doesn't work etc
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07:14<aropupu>running apt or aptitude just complains about unmet dependencies
07:14<gsimmons>BBX: No private messages please. Ask for assistance in the channel.
07:14<edhunter>aropupu: which command did you use to update and what desktop environment
07:14<aropupu>when trying to fill those dependencies everything i trie seems to break with this message
07:14<aropupu>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb (--install): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
07:14<dpkg>aropupu: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
07:14<aropupu>Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb
07:15<aropupu>i can't copy/paste right now
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07:15<stubuntu>themill, so should i type this in to install. sudo aptitude install (apname)
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07:15<themill>stubuntu: yes. man aptitude explains all.
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07:16<aropupu>edhunter: i updated sources.list, ran apt-get update, apt-get install apt aptitude, then aptitude full-upgrade
07:16<aropupu>and i mainly use xfce
07:16<aropupu>if that matters
07:16<fnmueller>sound wrong
07:17<aropupu>how come?
07:17<fnmueller>because modifying sources.list and then run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should work just fine
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07:18<fnmueller>or is there a reason to upgrade apt and aptitude first
07:18<fnmueller>btw: one should not mix aptitude and apt-get.... this could result in errors
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07:18<edhunter>fnmueller: i doubt that plain upgrade would work for stable->testing
07:18<fnmueller>well, dist-upgrade then
07:19<fnmueller>but don't mix aptitude and apt-get, especially in between a dist-upgrade (I would say)
07:19<aropupu>fnmueller: i searched the web about updating from stable->testing and most posts about it recommended updating apt, aptitude & dpkg before doing dist/full-upgrade
07:19<ansichart>I have 64bit version of Debian, and I want to download and install the latest stable kernel. However, I don't see any 64-bit kernel available on
07:20<edhunter>aropupu: never used aptitude so i cant say much. the way i would do it is update sources. apt-get update. stop the X from running and then use apt-get dist-upgrade (it should also work with X running but i find it to be safer without)
07:20<themill>!why aptitude
07:20<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
07:20<aropupu>edhunter: ok.
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07:20<aropupu>edhunter: i've done the stable->testing change with this method a couple times before and didn't really have much troubles
07:20<aropupu>so i thought it might work okay this time also
07:21<fnmueller>aropupu: k, I would do it like edhunter
07:21<aropupu>but anyway
07:21<aropupu>to the problem itself
07:21<themill>aropupu: what you did is the best method (although and "aptitude safe-upgrade" prior to the "aptitude full-upgrade" would probably have been good).
07:22<themill>aropupu: we can't tell you much more until we can see the actual error message. Do you have netcat installed?
07:22<edhunter>themill: is it really the best method to use both apt-get and aptitude? wouldnt using just one of the 2 be safer?
07:22<aropupu>wait a minute
07:22<themill>edhunter: it makes no difference for this, but sticking to aptitude is easier.
07:22<edhunter>themill: ok. thx
07:23<themill>!pastebin pipe
07:23<dpkg>Download and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>). Upload a file to pipe to "nc 1234".
07:23<aropupu>Preparing to replace udev 0.125-7+lenny3 (using .../archives/udev_150_2_i386.deb) ... ; since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED feature is disabled in the running kernel; please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev
07:24<aropupu>after that there's a disclaimer in caps
07:24<aropupu>and after that is what i pasted before
07:24<aropupu>and ; are line breaks :)
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07:30<aropupu>is there a way i can force the installation of a spesific package without meeting the unmet dependecies in the system first?
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07:36<edhunter>aropupu: I dont know if doing it manually with dpkg -i would work.. is the latest kernel installed? if yes you might be able to recover if you restart and apt-get -f install (or the equivalent for aptitude)
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07:41<edhunter>aropupu: i dont think that that kernel meets the requirements of udev..
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07:43<aropupu>so, full-upgrade forgot to upgrade the kernel or what? :D
07:43<locklace>god, udev is so lame
07:44<locklace>basically what you should have done was first install a current kernel from bpo, then do lenny->squeeze
07:44<locklace>not that you had any possible way of knowing you'd need to do that
07:45<locklace>in other words, marco just broke lenny->squeeze
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07:48<aropupu>linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 is the only one in squeeze repos that's newer than what i have now, is that new enough?
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07:51<aropupu>i'll try that then
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07:54<DebZhila>hmm... I had compiled the nvidia source for 2.6.32-trunk-686, but when I reboot to that kernel and attempt to load the module, it states that nvidia.ko is an invalid format, or something
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07:59<aropupu>locklace: seemed to help, thanks
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08:00<aropupu>though i guess the first stable->testing upgrade i did got fucked up in the middle of it because of that and now i have a clusterfuck of dependencies
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08:12<neemz>I'm trying to do a netinstall on a 1and1 server that uses dhcp classless static routing, it doesn't seem like thats supported in the debian-installer so i'm a little bit stuck
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08:15<neemz>I have found some instructions that apply to installing freebsd (which has the same problem) but I don't know how to apply the same principle to debian
08:16<edhunter>ashish: what are you trying to do?
08:16<neemz>The section that relates to manually setting up some routes, however it seems the syntax for route differs because the same command wont work for me
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08:30<aropupu>whoa, i've never seen so much errors and warning while booting linux, but at least now this works enough so that i can run x
08:30<edhunter>aropupu: im guessing udev related after you installed the new kernel?
08:31<aropupu>yeah, plus a lot of other stuff well
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08:31<stubuntu>hi is there a command to terminate all running apps at once
08:31<edhunter>aropupu: those are probably just warnings (had many warnings lately with newer kernels)
08:32<abrotman>stubuntu: reboot ?
08:32<stubuntu>abrotman, no not that
08:33<abrotman>then be more specific
08:33<stubuntu>all running applications
08:33<abrotman>oh, much less vague ...
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08:34<locklace>aropupu: are you able to complete an "aptitude full-upgrade" now
08:35<aropupu>locklace: yeah
08:36<stubuntu>!aptitude full-upgrade
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08:43<Aleric>Is there a package that I can install to make sure the time/date on my machine stays correct? I just noted that my firewall has a time that is more than half an hour into the future :(
08:43<dpkg>The Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See or for more information. See also <set time>.
08:43<themill>locklace: lenny->squeeze isn't broken, you just need to upgrade kernel and udev at the same time. See recent discussion on debian-devel.
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08:44<locklace>themill: so does the standard lenny->squeeze procedure still work or not
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08:44<themill>Not tried but I believe it should still.
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08:45<locklace>not if aropupu's experience is anything to go by
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08:47<themill>locklace: we don't know why apt didn't want to upgrade his kernel to start with. If he didn't have the kernel metapackage installed that would be why. Note that this is no more or less complicate than the situation for etch->lenny.
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08:49<stubuntu>hi ctrl+alt+b'space does not work is there another command that will.
08:49<abrotman>stubuntu: what does 'uname -a' say ?
08:49<themill>stubuntu: what version of Xorg are you running?
08:50<stubuntu>themill, ?????
08:50<themill>stubuntu: please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core libc6 dpkg ; uname -a" on that machine.
08:50<stubuntu>abrotman, if my comp freezes or hangs terminal prompts wont help ]
08:50<locklace>"what version of debian" is a better question
08:50<abrotman>locklace: no, it's not
08:51<abrotman>locklace: just because he thinks he's running something, doesn't mean he is
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08:52<stubuntu>$ dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core libc6 dpkg ; uname -
08:52<stubuntu>| Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
08:52<stubuntu>|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
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08:52<locklace>abrotman: that's why you ask it in the right way
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08:52<abrotman>you didn't
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08:52<abrotman>!tell stubuntu about pasteb
08:52<abrotman>!tell stubuntu about paste
08:52<locklace>no, because i already know what he's running
08:53<themill>locklace: ubuntu?
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08:55*stubuntu forgot pastebin silly boy
08:55<themill>stubuntu: right... now go to #ubuntu on
08:56<themill>and please take locklace with you since he's so damned smug
08:56<abrotman>not from what you just pasted
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08:56<abrotman>your paste says you're running ubuntu
08:57*stubuntu oops not mean to shout really
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08:58<Aleric>I installed ntp, but the clock wasn't changed. I then ran 'ntpdate', but that does work either:
08:58<Aleric>16 Jan 15:32:23 ntpdate[7063]: no servers can be used, exiting
08:59<locklace>Aleric: try "ntpdate"
08:59<Aleric>It seems to be configured to use, etc, which resolve
08:59<abrotman>Aleric: do not use ntpdate .. use ntp
08:59<Aleric>16 Jan 15:33:52 ntpdate[7095]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting
09:00<locklace>Aleric: shut down ntpd first
09:00<abrotman>Aleric: do NOT use ntpdate ...
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09:00<locklace>abrotman: do you know what ntpd does when the time step is too large?
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09:01<abrotman>!why not ntpdate
09:01<dpkg>Use a daemon like ntpd, chrony or openntpd instead of ntpdate to keep your time synched. Rationale at:
09:01<locklace>way to miss the point
09:01<Aleric>16 Jan 15:35:05 ntpdate[7165]: sendto( Operation not permitted
09:01<Aleric>repeats for 12 times for several different hosts.
09:01<abrotman>locklace: no, i'm just ignoring you ..
09:02<themill>locklace: it generates a different error to the one Aleric pasted.
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09:02<Aleric>locklace: I understand you, and I understand abrotman (he's wrong), so please continue :)
09:02<locklace>Aleric: does 'netstat -4lup' show the ntp (123) port still in use
09:02<abrotman>Aleric: no, really ... ntpdate is a hack .. use ntp
09:02<Aleric>abrotman: as soon as I fixed the networking problem ok?
09:03<abrotman>you have no networking, but you want to use ntp ?
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09:03<Aleric>locklace: no
09:03<Aleric>not in use
09:04<Aleric>I might have a firewall problem
09:04<stubuntu>System: Host stubuntu Kernel 2.6.31-9-rt i686 (32 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic
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09:04<Aleric>This is on the firewall itself, and I'm not sure if I allow this networking
09:04-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
09:04<abrotman>stubuntu: you're offtopic here, please go to #ubuntu on for support
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09:05<locklace>Aleric: just an iptables-based thing or something else
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09:05*Aleric tries to remember... damn, I'm getting really a bad memory :(
09:06<locklace>Aleric: well, at a minimum you'll of course need to allow traffic to and from port 123 on your system and your preferred ntp server
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09:08<Aleric>locklace: this is only UDP right?
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09:10<Aleric>locklace: Hmm... that pool is 1000 servers large and exists of random IP#'s :/ ... I can impossibly list them all. Should I open port 123 completely? Isn't there a secure way to do this?
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09:11<locklace>you can just pick a specific ntp server that's fairly reliable. a good one is, for example
09:11<abrotman>use the pools
09:12<Oyashiro>hello, is there a way to make apt-get install not only dependent packages but also suggestes?
09:14<locklace>Aleric: of course, you can improve redundancy by picking two or three instead of just one; but start with one until things are working
09:15<Aleric>locklace: Ok, it works with two local ntp servers (those were even in my firewall already).
09:15<ansgar>Oyashiro: APT::Install-Suggests "true"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (similar to how you turn installing recommended packages off)
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09:15<themill>ansgar: you rarely really want all the suggested packages installed though
09:15<locklace>Aleric: yeah, local ntp servers are the obvious way to go if you have them. so ntpdate stepped the time for you?
09:15<rjent>Could someone share with me how to make my wifi adapter act as an access point?
09:15<Aleric>If I change /etc/ntp.conf, should I also change 'iburst' and/or 'dynamic' if I use these static ones?
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09:16<ansgar>themill: I don't even want to install most recommended packages ;)
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09:16<abrotman>rjent: depends on the device you have, not all can do it
09:16<Oyashiro>i know, but i would like to know if there is a way to make apt-get install suggested only once, like like apt-get --install-recommends
09:16<themill>Oyashiro: you rarely really want all the suggested packages installed though
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09:17<themill>Oyashiro: (a) use aptitude not apt-get, (b) look at the -o command line option for specifying config options
09:17<ansgar>Oyashiro: I think something like apt-get -oAPT::Install-Suggests=true ... might work?
09:17<rjent>abrotman: yes I know I just want to test if I can. I have an eeepc1005ha. Do you have a link to get me started?
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09:17<Oyashiro>themill not always, that's why i don't put it in conf, but would like to use it when nessesary
09:17<Aleric>locklace: Yes, it said: 16 Jan 15:13:18 ntpdate[7444]: step time server offset -2049.922336 sec
09:18<Oyashiro>ansgar thnx, it works
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09:19<gsimmons>dpkg: tell rjent -about hostapd
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09:20<locklace>Aleric: fine. now ntpd should work if you point it to the same servers
09:20<Aleric>locklace: This is weird :/ ... I have NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF=yes in /etc/default/ntpdate, and changed /etc/ntp.conf to use the working servers, but if I run just 'ntpdate' again I STILL get: 16 Jan 15:20:44 ntpdate[7662]: no servers can be used, exiting
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09:22<locklace>well, it's not going to work if ntpd is running because ntpd owns the socket. you only needed to run ntpdate once to get your time into the right ballpark
09:22<Aleric>It's still not running I stopped it
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09:23<locklace>ok, so what's the problem? ntpdate works with an argument but not without one?
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09:25<vvas>ntpdate itself does not read the config file you mentioned
09:25<Aleric>Yeah, I just noticed that with strace
09:25<Aleric>I guess it's a debian thing
09:26<locklace>Aleric: yeah, it's "ntpdate-debian"
09:26<vvas>/etc/init.d/ntpdate does, if you have that, but not the program itself
09:26<locklace>just a hack, really
09:26<vvas>ah, or that
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09:31<vvas>hm, irssi was smart enough to let me type the above without /say. nice
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09:33<locklace>vvas: but just /etc wouldn't work. you can use "/ /etc" instead of /say
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09:35<vvas>locklace: i know, but thanks :)
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09:38<Aleric>omg, looking at the logs... I'm getting 10 spam emails per SECOND.
09:40<locklace>!win Aleric
09:40<dpkg>Congratulations, Aleric! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
09:40<Aleric>I want something else
09:40<Aleric>!win Aleric
09:40<dpkg>Congratulations, Aleric! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
09:40<locklace>!beer dpkg
09:40*dpkg pours a pint of Delirium Tremens for dpkg
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09:42<Aleric>this whole thing started when I wanted to look where my mails are lost...
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09:42<Aleric>I sent an email to some mailinglist and it never got back to me (some do, some don't)... I thought maybe my own spam filter is at fault :/
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09:45<Aleric>Ah, I found it back in Mail/backup ... so it must be a procmail misconfiguration :/
09:45<marl>hi there
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09:46<marl>could anyone help me to fix my lenny box
09:46<rjent>gsimmons: thanks
09:47<locklace>!fix marl's lenny box
09:47*dpkg takes marl's lenny box to the vet for a "special" visit.
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09:48<abrotman>marl: what's your question?
09:49<marl>my audio is not working from my laptop
09:49<cahoot>use soeaker-test -t wav -c2
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09:49<marl>i installed alsamixer but still i don't hear any sounds
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09:50<locklace>marl: paste the output of "cat /proc/asound/cards" at, run "speaker-test -t wav -c 2", and run "alsamixer" in another shell and play with the levels and mute settings
09:50<abrotman>!tell marl about alsa checklist
09:50<locklace>marl: and don't forget to double-check any hardware vol or speaker settings you might have
09:51<marl>cat /proc/asound/cards
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09:51<cahoot>marl: do not paste here
09:51<marl> HDA Intel at 0x9b300000 irq 22
09:52<cahoot>well one line is ok
09:53<cahoot>marl: as root run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0, the speaker-test as suggested
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09:54<marl>it's failed (none loaded)
09:54<cahoot>what failed?
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09:55<marl>Resetting ALSA card 0,...failed (none loaded).
09:55<cahoot>marl: as try alsa force-reload
09:55<cahoot>marl: (as root) try alsa force-reload
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09:57<cahoot>marl: keep it in channel
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09:57<cahoot>marl: now /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0, then speaker-test as suggested
09:58<marl>still Resetting ALSA card 0,...failed (none loaded)
09:58<cahoot>marl: if you need paste use a pastebin not pm
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09:59<marl>my speaker light in laptop is muted
09:59<cahoot>marl: speaker-test still silent?
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09:59<marl>when i try to press it didn't turn off
09:59<cahoot>marl: can you run alsamixer?
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10:00<cahoot>marl: so check that pcm/master is unmuted as well as reasonable levels are set
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10:01<marl>it's not muted
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10:01<m3onh0x84>hi all, I installed debian success, everything normal
10:01<locklace>!congratulate m3onh0x84
10:01<dpkg>Nice one m3onh0x84, you did it!
10:01<cahoot>marl: i e 00 as opposed to mm at the bottom of the columns?
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10:02<marl>all value is 00
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10:02<m3onh0x84>hi all, I installed debian success, everything normal . But I disable some services, after reboot i can't use keyboard and mouse, how to fix it ?
10:02<m3onh0x84>locklace, thankss
10:02<cahoot>marl: ok then I've no idea at all what the problem is
10:03<marl>:( thnx
10:03<m3onh0x84>marl: what's happen ?
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10:03<locklace>marl: what is your hw sound setup like? i.e. what kind of system is this, what kind of sound connection, speakers, etc.
10:03<marl>why i cant turn the light in my laptop
10:04<marl>may be that's why i got no sounds
10:04<marl>because it's muted
10:04<m3onh0x84>marl: what's version debian you using ?
10:04<marl>yes it's speaker
10:04<locklace>hence "double-check any hardware vol or speaker settings you might have"
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10:05<m3onh0x84>marl, I think you should be upgrade to debian squeeze
10:06<locklace>m3onh0x84: you're hardly in a position to be giving others advice
10:06<m3onh0x84>or install new kernel 2.6.30 from backport
10:06<marl>debian squeeze..?
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10:07<marl>i though the one i installed is a stable release of debian
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10:07<locklace>marl: going to give up on you since you didn't answer my questions. good luck
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10:08<marl>what question locklace
10:09<abrotman>m3onh0x84: which services did you disable?
10:09<marl>are u asking about kind of sound connections i have
10:09<Aleric>Hahaha! I found why my emails got "lost" :)
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10:09<Aleric>That's cause it's 2010 now :)
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10:10<m3onh0x84_>abortman, some service like sensor, irc bot, checkdisk, schroot, ...
10:10<abrotman>irc bot is a service ?
10:10<abrotman>m3onh0x84_: try again .. must have been something else
10:11<Aleric>I'm using a procmailrc filter to remove mails that seem to be a reply to me, but where never generated by me, based on Message-ID format - and I assumed that all message ID's generated by me had the form 200[0-9]...
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10:13<themill>Aleric: don't feel too bad about that... spamassassin had a similar problem
10:13<m3onh0x84__>abrotman, when disable finnish, reboot PC so I can't use keyboard and mouse but log in to gnome success
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10:14<m3onh0x84__>I googled but not search excactly my problem
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10:20<m3onh0x84__>I see avahi failed ?
10:20<m3onh0x84__>how to enable hal on debian 5 ?
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10:36<nand>hello, does anybody use uJDM programmer with picprog?
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10:40<abrotman>m3onh0x84__: how did you disable it ?
10:41<m3onh0x84__>abrotman, I install sysv-rc-conf to config all service on my debian PC
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10:45<abrotman>so use it to reenable hal
10:45<mercutio22>weird, suddenly everytime I launch a gnome-terminal I am at /usr/bin instead of ~/
10:45<m3onh0x84__>abrotman, but I can't use keyboard
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10:47<abrotman>ssh into the machie
10:47<abrotman>or use a liveCD
10:48<marl>anybody know's how to turn off muted laptop in debian
10:48<cahoot>normally alsamixer can
10:49<marl>i already check alsamixer but still don't have audio
10:49<m3onh0x84__>abrotman, on live CD, what's service manager ?
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10:49<abrotman>you can probably do it with ln -s
10:49<m3onh0x84__>marl, why do you don't search alsa on terminal ?
10:49<marl>i saw it from my laptop it self the light is on.. so it means it's muted
10:50<m3onh0x84__>or console ?
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10:51<marl>m3onh0x84__, i try to off the light from my laptop speaker but it's not working
10:51<cahoot>marl: you didn't mute/turn it off voluntarily in some other OS before booting debian?
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10:52<marl>if i use windows i cant off/on the speaker light
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10:52<marl>but if i use debian it's always light on
10:52<cahoot>marl: in alsamixer - did you see/check any speaker?
10:52<m3onh0x84__>marl, can you install another mix to your laptop ?
10:53<marl>like what..
10:53<cahoot>marl: also - you might try a headset
10:53<cahoot>marl: stick to alsamixer
10:53<marl>k.. cahoot
10:53<m3onh0x84__>marl, or gmix, kmix
10:54<marl>i'll try to use headset first
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11:06<wolf-x>i can't redirect hasp key (usb-device) used xen
11:06<wolf-x>i need help! i want to sleep(
11:07<sney>then sleep, maybe you will wake up with the solution. it happens to me all the time
11:08<wolf-x>thanks, but my ass is burning now((((, sorry...
11:10<sney>if it is a xen problem, maybe #debian-xen
11:10<wolf-x>ok) i'm going to it
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11:13<wolf-x>now one user possible in #debian-xen
11:14<sney>I cannot help you because I have never used xen, but if you wait a little while maybe someone else can
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11:19<Woet>If kill -9 doesn't kill a process, how would I be able to kill it?
11:20<terver>afaik reboot.
11:20<Woet>well I don't like rebooting a live server
11:20<terver>or wait till it come up from the blocking and recieve your signal
11:21<Woet>well, why can't I force it to die/
11:21<wolf-x>zombie is alive)
11:22<terver>well, it depends. iirc, such processess in the middle of waiting for IO, and OS can't ship signals to them or kill them
11:24<wolf-x>reboot now
11:24<terver>you can read here more - there is nice explanation of slow/fast devices.
11:24<sney>yep, it's the weekend. time for server maintenance
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11:34<wolf-x> can't redirect hasp key (usb-device) used xen
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11:35<marl>cahoot, i still have save problem in my audio
11:35<jsubl2>i tried installing gnome with squeeze but it was very slow. I have a core2 duo intel graphics with 2 gig memory. any recommendations
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11:37<sney>jsubl2: the newest intel video accelerator doesn't have linux drivers yet, so you're in software mode. lxde would probably be pretty quick, at least a lot faster than gnome in vesa mode
11:37<jsubl2>k thanks sney
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11:40<Passworder>What is the latest kernel available for Debian?
11:40<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100114, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.33-rc4-git3, mainline 2.6: 2.6.33-rc4, stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.30: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
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11:40<themill>judd kernels
11:40<judd>themill: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-19lenny2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1)
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11:41<Passworder>Ok thanks. Is there any way to get the sid-kernel when i'm using Squeeze?
11:41<Passworder>Just the kernel
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11:43<jsubl2>so i wonder if the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver in sid is any better
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11:44<themill>Passworder: yes. Perhaps the easiest way is to set up a quick testing/unstable mix and then "aptitude -t unstable install" the relevant kernel package. /msg dpkg tum
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11:46<cwood>Passworder: try downloading the deb from a Debian mirror.
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11:46<cwood>Question: how do I begin to troubleshoot how I can't use any of the buttons in my current Wesnoth?
11:47<Passworder>themill: ok, I think I understand.
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11:47<Passworder>cwood: from you mean?
11:48<cwood>Passworder: no, I mean like
11:48<Passworder>ah ok
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11:50<cwood>Passworder: you could check your current kernel-related packages with 'dpkg --get-selections | grep `uname -r`', then download the corresponding ones manually. Quick and cheap.
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12:16<NewDebian>Hi All, I
12:16<NewDebian>I am new to Debian
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12:19<NewDebian>I have downloaded Debian Lenny amd64 for my Hp proliant ML110 and I burnt the first iso image on dvd using power iso on windows xp but It does boot my server so I can install it am I doing something wrong?
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12:19<cahoot>burnt as image?
12:20<cahoot>bios set to boot from cd?
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12:21<NewDebian>I assume the first dvd is the bootable one is that correct?
12:22<cahoot>seems reasonable
12:22<aropupu>and you're sure that you burned the image as disc, not the image file to a disc
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12:22<aropupu>...damn that was a confusing sentence
12:22<NewDebian>yes I did
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12:24<aropupu>does it give any error messages or anything, or does it just boot straight to windows?
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12:26<NewDebian>just boot windows actually I tried the first dvd to test if it is booting on my desktop, do you think that the first dvd of amd64 wont boot a desktop? someone here told me befoe it is possible, what do you think?
12:27<aropupu>it's not a livecd if that's what you mean
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12:27<aropupu>you just get the installer
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12:28<Nemoder>some of those hp machines require you to hit a key on startup to boot from CD even if it's set in the bios
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12:30<NewDebian>I just went to the then "get debian" then downloaded the 5 dvds for amd64 from bittorrent then I burnt the first dvd and tried to boot the desktop, so did I miss something?
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12:31<aropupu>NewDebian: okay, when you boot the cd, do you see anything, anything at all saying the words "linux" or "debian" in it?
12:31<NewDebian>no nothing at all
12:32<NewDebian>just black screen
12:32<aropupu>oh okay
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12:32<aropupu>so it doesn't boot windows, but gives a black screen
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12:33<NewDebian>yes then windows startup after a while
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12:33<opticon>using aptitude from terminal what can i do to keep it from asking for cd
12:33<opticon>pc i have debian on has no cd-rom drive
12:34<aropupu>opticon: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
12:34<aropupu>as root
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12:34<aropupu>one of the first lines in that file should be something like this
12:34<aropupu>deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 _squeeze_ - Official i386 xfce+lxde-CD Binary-1 20090905-09:30]/ squeeze main
12:35<aropupu>put a # sign before that line
12:35<aropupu>or delete that line alltogether
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12:35<aropupu>then run sudo aptitude update
12:35<aropupu>and it should work
12:35<opticon>ok i will try
12:35<aropupu>NewDebian: it seems that that server has an intel processor
12:35<NewDebian>so do I need to download something special to boot?
12:35<aropupu>NewDebian: so the amd64 image won't do
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12:36<aropupu>you need the ia64 images
12:36<aropupu>and the first image is probably enough for installing anyway
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12:37<NewDebian>it e2164 dual core 1.8ghz so do you think it is Ia64?
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12:37<Torsten_W>it's amd64
12:37<aropupu>it is?
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12:37<Torsten_W>ia64 is intel itanium
12:39<NewDebian>and for desktop pentium 4 3.4ghz hyper thread which debian is suitable? does amd64 boots such type of desktops?
12:39<aropupu>Torsten_W: so, the amd64 image should be used for systems with intel 64 processors too?
12:39<aropupu>or what
12:39<Torsten_W>so it is
12:40<aropupu>i really haven't got much idea about this, never had a 64 bit processor
12:40<Torsten_W>all intel 64bit desktop cpu are x86_64, aka amd64
12:40<sney>it's just called amd64 because amd got there first
12:40<themill>!why amd64
12:40<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See
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12:41<aropupu>dpkg seems to now pretty much everything :)
12:41<dpkg>aropupu: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
12:41<aropupu>know, even
12:41<NewDebian>and does the amd64 boot normal desktops?
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12:41<sney>my desktop is currently running debian amd64
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12:42<NewDebian>but if it does not boot then what is the problem?
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12:43<sney>could be lots of things
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12:43<NewDebian>as what?
12:43<sney>your pentium 4 is probably not 64-bit though
12:44<aropupu>sney: he should still see some kind of error message, though
12:44<sney>corrupt/incomplete iso download, bad cd burn, bios not set to boot CD, etc
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12:45<NewDebian>yes it 32 bit but you said it is still suitable
12:45<sney>you said 'normal desktop' - most normal desktops now are 64-bit and have been for a couple years
12:45<sney>be specific
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12:46<NewDebian>no it is indeed 32 bits it 5 years old
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12:46<sney>so use i386
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12:48<NewDebian>ok i will try to download it one more question does thiose 5 dvds contain all debian packages? or ii still need go to the packages site?
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12:49<sney>NewDebian: use the netinstall cd-rom, it will automatically download all the packages you need
12:50<sney>it is much faster than downloading *all* of the DVDs, which contain more than just desktop software
12:50<aropupu>NewDebian: using "the packages site" is generally a better idea than having a heap of discs
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12:51<NewDebian>ok thank you so much for you help have a nice evening and week end for you all
12:51<amitav>I have got boot.img.gz and I want the graphical installer. I am using USB stick as medium of installation. I am going to use the easy way of install. my current system is suse. I don't have install-mbr.
12:51<opticon>source list edited
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12:53<amitav>I want to know how to get the graphical installer using "the easy way".
12:53<amitav>and an alternative to install-mbr
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12:54<amitav>please help me solve the issue (or understand it better)
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13:01<peej>amitav, what are you following as documentation?
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13:04<opticon>it worked doesnt ask for cd now
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13:05<amitav>peej: it says I need a netinst ISO. where do I get that? in hd-media, there are only vmlinuz and initrd.gz.
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13:07<peej>usually from somewhere
13:07<amitav>or should I just zcat and then copy vmlinuz and initrd.gz
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13:08<amitav>point me to a netinst iso
13:10<peej>actually, amitav, I don't think you are defining your problems properly. Is the usb install asking for the netinst.iso? If you want a netinstall, you'll find them (or google will point you) to
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13:12<amitav>peej: thanks.
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13:14<amitav>peej: so after boot.img.gz, I can put the netinst contents there. lets see how it goes
13:15<peej>I'm also confused about you wanting a graphical installer. That may be because of ignorance on my part. I've only used the curses-like install for lenny and squeeze.
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13:16<amitav>peej: could be my ignorance too
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13:19<peej>(it's not actually curses, it's whiptail. In any case I haven't tried the x-display gui-like install, which may be what you meant. It is probably reachable as a menu option from the netinst).
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13:19<peej>(if such a beast exists)
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13:21*adb needs some help to join #d on freenode , thanks
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13:24<totone>Salut à tous / Hi all
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13:25<totone>Je cherche une solution à un problème quelqu'un peut m'aider s'il vous plait ? google ne me renvoi rien
13:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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13:29<jesperj>What is in the /sys and /srv dirs?
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13:37<marl>hi..anyone can help me to fix my audio in debian
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13:40<opticon>anyone else here use nomachine nx server on debian5
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13:41<marl>please help
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13:52<jesperj>marl: what is the problem?
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13:59<marl>jesperj, i don't have audio in my laptop using debian
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14:00<jesperj>marl: and what is the problem with the audio?
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14:00<marl>i don't know...i can't hear any of my mp3songs
14:00<marl>i try to check with my alsamixer & unmute everything
14:01<marl>but still not working
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14:03<ComradeHaz>Hi all, I wish to make aptitude download any packages that need to be upgraded using a cron job but crucially NOT to install anything. Thus when I do come to run an upgrade it's pretty much got all the files. How do I get aptitude to just grab the files?
14:04<themill>ComradeHaz: cron-apt does exactly that with its default configuration.
14:04<dpkg>A highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that will never have broken packages or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> <apticron>.
14:04<marl>jesperj, any idea how to trouble shoot my audio problem?
14:05<jesperj>marl: is alsa running? alsa starts with no errors? you can try to restart alsa in a terminal with "alsa reload"
14:05<ComradeHaz>themill: I love you! :D
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14:05<jesperj>and see if it works then (if it somehow just got hanged)
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14:05<jesperj>marl: if it never worked before either, then try "alsaconf" see "man alsaconf"
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14:07<killaz>i need help with nmap how do i scan all wifi network around (not to get port to have their mac adress?) because i want to match it with the intruder in my network i did get hes mac adress so anyone could help me ?
14:07<marl>it never work since i installed debian
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14:08<jesperj>marl: try "man alsaconf" too understand what it is and then "alsaconf"
14:08<jesperj>then choose correct options for your hardware
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14:08<jesperj>marl: of course it will only work if your soundcard is supported by alsa
14:09<jesperj>if it is listed as supported and should work with alsa, then it should be fixable
14:09<marl>how will i know if my audio card is supported
14:09<themill>marl: it migh help if we knew exactly what sound card you had. "lspci -nn | grep -i audio"
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14:10<marl>00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 03)
14:11<themill>judd pciid 8086:293e
14:11<judd>themill: [8086:293e] is '82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also
14:11<themill>that should be quite well supported
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14:12<marl>but my laptop it self has a light muted
14:12<marl>i can't unmute
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14:13<killaz>marl is it beause u did upgraded ur os ?
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14:14<marl>so it means its normal that i can unmute from my laptop itself
14:15<marl>so it means its normal that i can't unmute from my laptop itself
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14:15<killaz>marl if u did upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10 yes its 9.10 that is all bugged with laptop just stay on 9.04 until 10.0 get out
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14:16<killaz>i got the same kind of problem on my laptop
14:16<marl>what's 9.04?
14:16<killaz>ok sry ur on debian?
14:16<Guest2403>ist there a way to tell apt-get to use aria2c to download packages?
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14:16<killaz>i was thinking u were on ubuntu
14:17<marl>im using debian 5.0.3
14:17<marl>they said it's stable release
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14:18<killaz>ok but u got a mini laptopt right ?
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14:18<marl>'s acer aspire 4935G
14:19<jesperj>is it muted in the OS or some special function on the laptop like muting the volume of some external speakers?
14:19<jesperj>can that even be possible?
14:19<jesperj>(asking channel)
14:19<killaz>the problem is with the fn button
14:19<jesperj>on a laptop
14:19<killaz>right ?
14:19<marl>if i use windows i can unmute & mute from my physical laptop
14:20<jesperj>that is, can the "light for sound is muted is lit" mean the muting function can be done with fn buttons to mute the speaker sound outside the OS control?
14:20<marl>but if i used debian..i can't unmute
14:20<jesperj>so the sound is working in OS but is muted outside it?
14:20<marl>yup...the function button on the laptop
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14:20<killaz>ok lol same kind of problem i did get with ubuntu 9.10 for me i just stayed with ubuntu 9.04 everitigh work fine wait the 10.0 ver of ubuntu or just go on 9.04 coz its doing like an infinite loop in the system when u press it
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14:20<jesperj>marl: I am asking the channel if the function can control the actual speaker volume and not the OS sound volume
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14:21<killaz>ok thats a weird problem
14:21<killaz>thats not the same thing we got
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14:22<marl>i think the control from alsamixer looks good
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14:22<killaz>i was talking about ubuntu coz it have similar problem and ubuntu is based on debian
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14:22<marl>may be because of this mute function of my laptop is the problem
14:22<ComradeHaz>hmm, themill, hope you don't mind me highlighting you, but do I need to manually add a crontab entry for cron-apt?
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14:23<marl>i try to unmute from my physical laptop but the light didn't turn off
14:23<killaz>just get on the new one or old vers. and it will work
14:23<marl>so it is still muted?
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14:25<marl>got to go guys..thanks for the help :(
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14:29<themill>ComradeHaz: I don't recall adding one.... apt-file show cron-apt => cron-apt: /etc/cron.d/cron-apt ... so I guess not.
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14:30<ComradeHaz>yeah, slowly starting to understand how cron works I think
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14:39<dpkg>hello, dominique
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14:40<dominique>Hi! Is there a way to remove uninstalled packages from local repository?
14:41<dr|z3d>dominique: aptitude clean && aptitude autoclean
14:41<peej>I'm wondering if google is squidding or my local isp. If you are a lynx user, can you tell me the output of this please?: lynx -head --dump | grep -q squid && echo true
14:43<dominique>dr|z3d : Does it not clean out the entire cache? I wish to remove only the uninstalled packages..
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14:44<dr|z3d>dominique: In which case, you might just use Synaptic..
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14:46<dominique>dr|z3d: Okay. Maybe i'm not clear. I wish to take a backup of the presently installed packages using apttocd, but it shows uninstalled packages as well. I wish to remove them, so that I can take a backup of only those packages that are installed in my debian.
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14:51<craigevil>dominique: autoclean removes old packages that are no longer in the repos, other than removing packages by hand that probably the closest you will get
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14:52<juuliiaan>algun canal de nokia?
14:52<craigevil>dominique: dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile will give you a text file of all installed packages
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14:53<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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14:55<jesperj>what is in the /sys and /srv dirs?
14:55<norbi905>Hello. Trying to get Audigy 2zs working on a fresh install of 9.10. Sound does not work. lspci shows this 05:01.0 Class ffff: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev ff) . I have used Ubuntu a few months ago, with the sound working. I changed nothing on it, decided to come back to Ubuntu and now sound does not work. I know that the card works because it does so in Windows. Any help would be appreciated.
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14:56<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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14:57<dominique>ty craigevil, at least i've got a list of installed packages... any idea how I can proceed further to create an apt-cdrom of only these packages?
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14:58<craigevil>no clue, never bothered to do backups
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14:59<sney>norbi905: try using debian instead, we have better support and can help you get it working if it doesn't work right away
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15:00<dbbolton>i am installing debian on a brand new hard drive for the first time, and i've been asked which partition table type to use. however, the installation manual doesn't seem to mention what the different types (like amiga, bsd, msdos) are for. how can i decide?
15:00<sney>what kind of computer is this dbbolton
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15:01<norbi905>sney: does Debian have an installer or is it still in the stone ages of text installation?
15:01<sney>debian has had a real installer for longer than ubuntu has existed
15:02<sney>text installation, hmm you might be thinking of gentoo
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15:03<ml|>norbi905: here is how the installer should look like ...
15:03<juuliiaan>some channel in Spanish?
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15:03<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:04<dbbolton>sney i built it
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15:04<sney>dbbolton: intel/amd PC? use msdos
15:04<dbbolton>sney e6300 cpu
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15:04<dbbolton>ok, that answers my queston then
15:04<norbi905>I'm very sorry. Not sure how I ended up in this chat room :(
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15:05<sney>some ubuntu-bundled xchats join #debian by default, I think it's intentionally done by the ubuntu devs to annoy us
15:06<dominique>craigevil: ty for ur help. I'm selecting the packages in aptoncd manually!!
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15:06<norbi905>Downloading Debian as we speak. Hopefully my soundcard will work :) . Will join this channel when complete
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15:06<ml|>norbi905: good luck
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15:07<bugjar>how do i get about resetting the display resolution for gnome's login manager? is that held by /etc/gnome.. ? or in xorg.conf?
15:07<dr|z3d>dbbolton: MSDOS, unless you have a specific need for any other type (unlikely).
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15:07<norbi905>Quick question while in the process of downloading. Debian is KDE or GNOME based? Or selectable while install?
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15:08<engywook>I'm trying to install debian on a new computer, but it can't detect my nic (RTL8111D) so it won't install from my usb stick. How do I fix it?
15:08<bugjar>norbi905, default installation is for gnome, tho kde is installable. is it selectable during install? dunno
15:08<ml|>norbi905: depends on what iso you are downloading; but you can install which ever you like after the install
15:09<bugjar>engywook, i had that troulbe with a pcmcia nic, but i solved it with a different nic
15:09<sney>8111d might be supported by squeeze/kmuto installer
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15:10<norbi905>Sorry to be such an idiot. When I click on amd64 on either CD or DVD it gives me download for 1-... Does this mean I have to download all of those .ISO .? Is there no single CD or DVD install?
15:10<sney>you only *need* either netinstall or CD1
15:10<sney>everything else is optional packages
15:10<sney>netinstall is best if you have a fast internet connection, since it will only download the packages *you* want/need
15:11<norbi905>Such as .mp3 support?
15:11<engywook>bugjar: well, all I've got is integrated mobo nics =(
15:11<ml|>dpkg: netinstall
15:11<dpkg>[netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>.
15:11<engywook>Is there some kind of unofficial "testing" netinst iso
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15:11<sney>yes, it can be found under daily builds on the cdimage site
15:12<ml|>engywook: try with kmuto first /msg dpkg kmuto
15:12<sney>or rather it is official
15:12<engywook>well, I'm going to run testing anyway I think
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15:13<norbi905>Downloading debian amd64 cd1 image right now. I am used to sudo apt-get to install software, is it fairly similar in debian?
15:13<sney>it is the same, we also have aptitude
15:14<sney>apt is the reason ubuntu decided to base their distro on debian
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15:15<sney>sudo may not be installed by default depending on what decisions you make in the installer, but that's easy to change
15:15<norbi905>Excellent. Hope sound works :) . Then it's a go for Andoid development. I am assuming gnulib g++ will need to be added as options later on.
15:15<bugjar>i don't think i've ever been able to install sudo by default... :(
15:16<ml|>engywook: if you really want to use testing installer .... ; but still I'd try with kmuto first then move to testing if that is what you want to do
15:16<sney>one of the testing installers I used semi-recently had a prompt for the root password, and it said if you left it blank it would install sudo
15:16<sney>but I entered a root password so I don't know if that works
15:17<bugjar>any ideas on where i to reset my screen resolution? the sad truth is that it is sending outofrange output in X and nothing on the console. i have to ssh into it to get to the machine
15:17<locklace>bugjar: xorg.conf
15:18<engywook>ml|: looks like I might have to, the kmuto is downloading very slowly
15:18<ml|>wait? ;)
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15:19<engywook>ml|: I've been trying to install debian for like 3 hours now, I'm running out of patience =)
15:19<ml|>engywook: even more reason to wait :)
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15:19<bugjar>sney, that must be a reason to read documentation -- i worried that no entry of root passwd would result in root being open
15:20<sney>engywook: go get a sandwich
15:21<sney>linux tinkering always provides good break opportunities
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15:21<bugjar>locklace, thanks. i wondered if gnome's login manager might do something without it
15:21<engywook>hrm, there are no isos in the weekly builds, where should I be looking for my amd64 image?
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15:22<sney>daily builds!
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15:22<ml|>engywook: keep in mind the testing.iso is called that for a reason
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15:22<sney>and not just because it installs squeeze
15:23<engywook>sweet, looks like the kmuto thing got a turbo boost
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15:23<engywook>it's done=P
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15:23<engywook>thanks guys, I'll try it now
15:24<ml|>engywook: good luck
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15:29<amitav>I am getting boot error when trying to boot from USB stick. I have used zcat method and netinst image. I do not have install-mbr on this suse box. please suggest an alternative.
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15:31<Lethalman__>ask someone to create a chroot, zip it and send it to you... then extract it to your partition, install a kernel, boot loader and so on :P
15:31<karls>amitav: I've used this before, works evertime
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15:46<amitav>karls: its really nice.
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15:46<jesperj>what is in the /sys and /srv dirs?
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15:53<mase>jesperj /sys has "system" files, /srv may contain server data like www-pages, ftp-directories, svn-repositories...
15:53<cahoot>jesperj: AIUI /sys is the succesor to /proc
15:54<mase>"/srv" is up to you to be configured/used
15:54<mase>"/sys" is fixed, you might not care about it if you don't know what it is
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15:55<mase>(sys is not for "regular" data storage)
15:55<amitav>karls: still boot error
15:55<karls>amitav: Hm.. what do you mean by error? Does it just say "error"?
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15:56<karls>amitav: Maybe your USB stick is damaged..
15:56<amitav>karls: well I try booting from usb stick and it says boot error
15:56<amitav>karls: stick is fine
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15:56<mase>amitav but you unzipped it too the pase drive, not a partition? like /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1
15:57<mase>oh, sorry, should be "to" and "base"
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15:57<amitav>mase: yes. I had issued zcat to /dev/sdb
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15:57<karls>amitav: Um..
15:57<amitav>mase: i got that
15:58<mase>amitav and what image did you use again?
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15:58<amitav>mase: netinst
15:58<karls>amitav: zcat formats your drive to 256MB. Maybe that's the case, it screws something up for Unetbootin.
15:58<mase>amitav oh, thats for CD's, wont work on USB is think...
15:58<karls>I'd suggest to reformat your USB stick.
15:59<amitav>karls: okay. let me try that.
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15:59<karls>mase: It has worked for me every time :)
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15:59<amitav>karls: lets try once more after formatting
15:59<mase>karls but there are different images for CD and USB-drives, arent?
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16:01<karls>I think the idea is images for USB, CD etc are smaller in size. The point of netinstall is you only get the base image and download the rest from the repos.
16:01<karls>But please, don't take my word for it. I'm, by no means, an expert.
16:02<mase>karls i thought you cant use iso images for example to be extracted on usb-hd's; wont work of course
16:02<karls>Unetbootin fixes that :)
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16:02<karls>You feed it (unetbootin) the .iso file and it creates a bootable USB stick for you
16:03<mase>ah, sorry, missed some part of your discussion...
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16:04<Wilthril>hi all
16:04<karls>mase: No worries. I didn't explicitly say that anyway.
16:04<karls>Wilthril: Hello.
16:05<amitav>karls: I am trying unetbootin and writing to /dev/sdb1 this time
16:05<ml|>dpkg: usb install
16:05<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
16:06<mase>amitav i don't think sdb1 will work, in my opinion it cant even work
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16:08<Wilthril>i have a very big issue with an external hard drive formatted in ext3
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16:09<salvador>hola atodos
16:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:09<salvador> arguien sabe cual es el mejor linux
16:09<Wilthril>this morning I had this in my syslog so I did a filesystem check with GParted, then I got multiple corrupted files in lost+found, so I tried to run e2fsck then I got
16:09<Wilthril>what should I do? is there a way to recover my data?
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16:11<karls>mase: I just checked, on a formatted USB stick, sdb1 is fine.
16:11<ml|>engywook: kmuto worked?
16:11<mase>Wilthril wow, seems you missformated it in the first place
16:12<mase>karls how can that work? how can the boot manager work without set up the MBR?
16:12<salvador>kumuto sellama
16:12<Wilthril>no it was perfectly fine for almost a year
16:12<Wilthril>I formatted it using gparted :)
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16:13<amitav>mase, karls: it worked this time.
16:14<engywook>ml|: yes, cheers
16:14<kurumin>so do brazil
16:14<karls>mase: I can't really answer that, because I don't know the ins and outs of unetbootin. But as mase just said, it worked :)
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16:14<ml|>!congratulate engywook
16:14<dpkg>Woohoo engywook, you did it!
16:14<karls>amitav: GOOD! :)
16:14<amitav>karls: :)
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16:18<engywook>is there any difference between having squeeze or testing in sources.list?
16:18<mase>not now
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16:19<locklace>engywook: yes. "squeeze" will track squeeze up through and following its release as stable, "testing" will track testing even after squeeze is released
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16:21<ml|>engywook: /msg dpkg tum if you want to use testing/squeeze
16:22<bugjar>engywook, not at the moment. but when squeeze makes it to production/stable, there will be a difference
16:22<bugjar>engywook, oh, what locklace said
16:22<ml|>engywook: oops worng one nvm
16:23<ml|>engywook: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
16:23<engywook>ml|: aptitude one is better yeh?=P
16:23<ml|>engywook: huh?
16:23<engywook>locklace: ok, cheers
16:24<engywook>ml|: dpkg says about stable->testing
16:24<engywook>+ what
16:24<ml|>!why aptitude
16:24<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
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16:25<engywook>good to know
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16:25<engywook>last time I used debian was 2.2r2.=P
16:26<ml|>engywook: if you are going to use testing, you should install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges
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16:26<ml|>ask dpkg about them
16:26<engywook>will do
16:27<mase>never had problems with testing...
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16:32<jumper>anything new going on
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16:44<Jowi>hi everyone
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16:53<jesperj>mase: cahoot: Thanks for the explanation. Then if /sys if like /proc, I guess it should be avoided in system backups...
16:54<mase>jesperj absolutely!
16:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sysfs is a virtual filesystem that exports kernel data structures and attributes; see
16:55<mase>jesperj are you going to backup all the other directories?
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16:58<jesperj>mase: well I have planned to leave out /proc /dev /lib /lib64 /media /mnt /selinux /tmp /sys. And from /usr I will include /usr/local and /usr/src
16:59<jesperj>rest of /usr will not be included
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17:00<mase>jesperj why not just ignoring the whole system and concentrating on the real important directories; the "projects" you have?
17:01<mase>jesperj emails etc...
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17:02<mase>jesperj everything that can not be restored; a system installation can be restored by reinstalling the os
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17:03<jesperj>mase: Hmm. Well /boot /etc /home /initrd /lost+found /opt /root /var /usr/local /usr/src, all seem to make sens to me. I have the space for it and they all contain things that I might regret I did not have backups of later. Config files, own compiled software, logs etc.
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17:04<jesperj>/lib and /usr/bin I agree is a waste of space
17:05<mase>jesperj in my opinion forget about that strategie; for example its better to backup a mysql "dump" than backuping the "/var/..." directory
17:05<mase>jesperj well, mysql databases for example are in /var
17:05<mase>jesperj but you might not be able to recover it by just "copiing" the files to a new system
17:06<jesperj>mase: your suggestion sure is neater and more efficient as it only backups what one really needs, but my way of just excluding what might actually even be "dangerous" to restore on a new system like /proc and /dev, has the only disadvantage of using up more data-space unless I am missing something?
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17:07<jesperj>and the plus is that it will contain things that I might realize that I needed that I had forgot to backup with your way
17:07<jesperj>although I totally understand your suggestion.
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17:08<mase>jesperj no, i'm even afraid you are not able to restore anything in the case of a serious crash... with "dumps" for example (the mysql example) you can restore it anytime, anywhere
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17:10<mase>in the case backuping the directories (instead the once you mentioned), what are you going to do with this garbage of data?
17:10<mase>(in the case of reconstructing)
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17:15<mase>jesperj but i've written backup scripts for many kinds of data (email/svn/...), so i could send you some code. what are you realy need to get backupd on your computer?
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17:17<jesperj>mase: I don't understand why I wouldnt be able to use the data in case of a crash...
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17:18<jesperj>I guess I need to know what you mean by a crash.
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17:18<jesperj>I have reasoned that I make a backup of the data on one disk to another media, if the source disk fails
17:19<mase>computer completely destoyed
17:19<jesperj>I fail to understand how the data I have backedup on another media will not be of use for me to resture
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17:20<jesperj>ok? if the media the data is backedup to is physically destroyed, it doesnt matter what method you use to back it up to the media that gets destroyed
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17:20<jesperj>if I have copied one file from hdd1 to hdd2, and hdd2 is not destroyed, how will the data that is not corrupted on hdd2 not help me restore the data?
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17:21<mase>ok, i'm sorry. i make backups for the case the complete flat burns down...
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17:23<mase>... so i have to reconstuct the servers from zero
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17:24<cheminux>hi , heum is this a help chan for debian ?
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17:26<cheminux>oh , fine then I will ask out my question !! , I have just installed debian , and i am quite confused on installing my graphic card ... it is a radeon 9200 se ..
17:27<abrotman>what about it is confusing? it should just work with the radeon driver
17:27<cheminux>I cant find a post where it explains how to install it
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17:28<abrotman>cheminux: which window manager do you wan tto use?
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17:28<cheminux>I guess I am on gnome right about now
17:29<abrotman>cheminux: so .. aptitude install gnome xorg gdm
17:29<abrotman>cheminux: the driver should just get installed
17:30<cheminux>whoa that easy o.O
17:30<cheminux>I mean ... why aint there a public higlighted post on this question lol...
17:30<cheminux>or I dont know how to search
17:30<cheminux>thank you very much !
17:31<abrotman>cheminux: don't think me til it works
17:32<cheminux>was quit a fast install
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17:32<mase>cheminux but you probably want the proprietary drivers?
17:32<cheminux>do I write restart /etc/X11/xorg.conf
17:32<jesperj>mase: but then it's just a process of where you copy your data to right? you copy it over network? or what is your method that makes it safer?
17:33<cheminux>proprietary drivers o.O huh
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17:33<jesperj>mase: because I can not think of any other method besides copying data to media nearby or over network
17:33<jesperj>except printing it out on paper :D
17:34<jesperj>mase: maybe I misunderstand you?
17:34<cheminux>jesperj: jesperj I like using a rooter via proftpd
17:35<cheminux>mase: are those drivers configured in the xorg.conf ?
17:35<kop>jesperj: What make it safe is multiple copies on different media at different physical sites.
17:35<engywook>mase: you running those?
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17:37<mase>jesperj for example in the mysql case: just copying the backuped data to /var/lib/mysql may not work (different version of mysql, whatever)
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17:38<kop>jesperj: Databases are a speical case. They have their own backup utilities that, essentially, must be used. Typically you use those to backup the db, then backup the backups (remotely, etc.)
17:38<mase>engywook running what?
17:38<engywook>mase: the ati drivers
17:39<mase>engywook no :)
17:39<engywook>It's probably a real pain in the behind
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17:40<mase>jesperj: kop: that was just an example; same thine for everything "importand" like email, svn, ... if you dont have anything of them, the "home" directory is enough...
17:40<mase>-thine +thing
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17:46<jesperj>kop: mase: Oh, it is the case that the data on the filesystem of the OS, is not always usable as it is, but it has to be exported from a binary running on the OS on that filesystem, in order to be imported later?
17:46<jesperj>If so I understand what the problem described is
17:47<interbird>Does anyone here have experience with getting a broadband wireless connection like T-Mobile or Vodafone to work ?
17:48<mase>jesperj maybe we respeak what a "backup" is?
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17:51<mase>jesperj in my mind a backup is neccesary to being able to restore all "essential" data of mine in the case my house burned down, for example...
17:52<interbird>only if the backup was outside the house :-)
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17:53<mase>(very heavy case)
17:53<jesperj>yes. The only thing that can be different from my definition and description can be if the data I have described to copy to the backup media, is not good in itself but needs to be modified first on the OS the backup is made on ("ie exported"), before being copied to the backup media
17:53<jesperj>like in the sql example if I understood it correctly
17:54<mase>you mean a kind of "undo"?
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17:55<jesperj>thank you for the chat mase. it was interesting but I think we talked around eachother somehow. however I can not continue any longer.
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17:55<jesperj>mase: thanks and be well.
17:56<interbird>to have a backup is just half the story; to be able to restore it is the other half...
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17:58<mase>yes; thats the point i wanted you to warn about: backups that are useless(not restorable in the case of cases) are... useless
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17:59<mase>but, to concentrate to the beginning: what do you need to backup on your system? is it a server? a single user system?
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18:00<BCDN>Hi all, I am trying to install vmware player on my squeeze box. it installs fine but when I tried to run it, vmware tells me that i needed the kernel modules compilied and installed. so I re-ran as root and the Virtual ethernet module fails to build. All the other complete with success.
18:00<interbird>and what kind do you want to make? image, filesystem, inceremental? do you dump your databases to a resorable file before the backup takes place. etc...
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18:01<interbird>BCDN: try virtualbox vor virtualisation
18:02<BCDN>i need vmware
18:02<interbird>then look at the compile log and search google
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18:04<abrotman>BCDN: you might want to ask #vmware on
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18:04<sney>aren't there vmware modules in apt?
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18:06<interbird>wouldn't apt-cache search vmware answer that question ?
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18:07<jesperj>mase: interbird: thanks but I need to go afk. If it is allright with you guys maybe we can continue this conversation some other time?
18:08<interbird>sure, succ7
18:08<jsubl2>BCDN: try running vmware-modconfig --console --install-all
18:09<jesperj>bye for now.
18:09<jsubl2>BCDN: that should recompile the modules against the current kernel. you will need the headers
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18:09<interbird>headers al already needed when using vmware player
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18:13<interbird>BCDN: the compile log might be somewhere in /var or so; try to find the error on the compile of the ethernet module and google for that error; you may find a solution as you won't be the only one encountering this problem i guess
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18:27<interbird>Would it be possible to run sarge with a newer kernel, like 2.6.28 or so and still use the less mem-hungry gnome or xfce version of sarge ?
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18:28<azeem>interbird: the kernel also has dependencies, most notably udev today
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18:29<abrotman>why not just use a lighter WM like blackbox or lxde
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18:30<noob>!nick Chezz
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18:30<interbird>azeem: was sarge on devfs ?
18:30<azeem>no idea
18:30<locklace>!nickometer Chezz
18:30<dpkg>'Chezz' is 0.000% lame, locklace
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18:31<Chezz>I forgot the proper Irc command
18:31<Chezz>yet I use it every day
18:32<interbird>abrotman: that's too much of a departure for my user; i need to replace xp with linux on a very old machine but need a kernel that supports t-mobile broadband driver; dunno if it's possible to backport that, guess not
18:33<abrotman>interbird: have you used lxde or icewm ?
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18:34<interbird>abrotman: i have but it's not for me and i still have the t-mobile driver issue besides an acceptable desktop environment; i'm just wondering how to get linux to work on this old machine with new hardware and memory and cpu constraints
18:35<abrotman>maybe you should try it .. the requirements for current icewm are probably less than gnome from four years ago
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18:35<abrotman>and icewm even has a windows-ish theme
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18:36<interbird>i know that, but i need to access an usb t-mobile broadband adapter so i need at least a new kernel or some way to backport this driver functionality (besides the desktop experience)
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18:37<abrotman>you're NOT paying attention
18:37<interbird>it's a celeron 6xxMHz with 384MB ram, so options are tight
18:37<abrotman>no they aren't
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18:38<Chezz>whats the default password for root?
18:38<jmarsden>Chezz: Whatever you set it to when you installed the OS.
18:39<Chezz>Im running from a live cd
18:39<abrotman>whihc liveCD ?
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18:39<interbird>well, for accessing this t-mobile stick they are because only kernels >= 2.6.28 seem to support it
18:39<jmarsden>Chezz: A Debian LiveCD??? Those are... hard to find... :)
18:39<abrotman>interbird: you're still NOT paying attention
18:39<Chezz>maybe live cd is not the proper term
18:39<jmarsden>Chezz: What ISO did you download, from where, to create that CD?
18:40<Chezz>actually I got it
18:40<jmarsden>Chezz: You appear to be running Ubuntu. Ask for help in #ubuntu
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18:40<Chezz>Hmm im running Backtrack 4 as downloaded from the website
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18:41<Chezz>but nevermind I got it
18:41<interbird>abrotman: so you say, and i read back but i still don't know what escaped my attention...
18:41<abrotman>Chezz: then go ask them, this channel is for Debian support
18:41<abrotman>interbird: lots of things
18:41<interbird>like ?
18:41<jmarsden>Chezz: Interesting, that /ctcp Chezz VERSION shows: -Chezz- VERSION xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
18:41<abrotman>it's still not Debian
18:42<abrotman>jmarsden: and it's based on ubuntu
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18:42<Chezz>I find it strange that Xchat joined this room automaticaly
18:42<abrotman>i don't ..
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18:44<interbird>abrotman: would you be so kind as to explain what escaped my attention or do you think sco has a case ?
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18:47<interbird>guess not
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18:50<abrotman>interbird: why don't you just try it with lenny .. see how it turns out
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19:03<interbird>abrotman: I think i will try that and then choose to do a minimum install and install the desktop stuff needed; that's a good idea. Thanks.
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19:22<interbird>Better yet, i'm gonna try some of the Lenny live cd's. I just wasn't paying attention. Cool...
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19:35<soundless>i cant get me ac97 sound card to work on debian install. tried to modprobe ac97-codec and nothing happens
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19:36<soundless>volume control shows a red x by it in the systemtray
19:36<dr|z3d>soundless: Red X often equals "muted"
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19:36<dr|z3d>Try augmenting the volume.
19:37<dvs>soundless: ac97 is just an interface. You need the module for your sound chip.
19:37<soundless>mute box is not checked :?
19:37<dr|z3d>Sounds like dvs has identified your issue.. listen to him.
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19:39<soundless>wow, never had to do that before on this machine :/
19:41<dr|z3d>You might just try alsamixer and see if you can fix theings there, first.
19:41<interbird>see if /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/* are present; check lspci; see with lsmod if a driver is loaded; try aaply with a sound-file
19:41<soundless>dvs, how would i go about getting the module for my sound chip?
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19:42<dvs>soundless: lspci | grep -i audio
19:43<interbird>modprobe snd_ac97_codec ?
19:46<soundless>00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce AC'97 Audio Controller (rev c2) is what it says - so when i modprobe, is something supposed to happen?
19:46<interbird>does ls -la /dev/dsp show a device ?
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19:47<interbird>or ls -la /dev/snd ?
19:47<soundless>yes it shows crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2010-01-16 18:08 /dev/dsp
19:49<interbird>that's ok, so the device is present; now you might have to look at the mixer-level; what sound-processor are you using? alsa, pulse-audio? it could be some mixer is muted
19:49<soundless>lemme try to add myself to the audio group, maybe it's something like that. and if that doesnt work, would you suggest installing discover and letting it do it's thing?
19:50<interbird>good idea
19:50<dvs>soundless: you're not part of the audio group? That'll do it.
19:50<dvs>soundless: you have to log out and back in again afterwards.
19:50<interbird>couse he;s not; see the nick :-)
19:51<soundless>i am the one who installed debian, so you would think it would put me in there, but i did have a problem setting myself up as a user, so now i might not be a poweruser anymore
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19:52<interbird>soundless: id on the cli will show you the groups you are a member of
19:53<soundless>wow, when i less /etc/group | grep myself, i am at 1000 only :P
19:53<interbird>that's not much, does id <yourusername> show the same ?
19:54<dr|z3d>id: 1000 = default user.
19:54<interbird>id is a command
19:55<dvs>so id groups ;-)
19:55<soundless>yea, but doesn't it the default user some clout? i would think it would make me some kind of poweruser
19:55<dvs>soundless: no, not really. You usually have to add that user to groups to get permissions.
19:56<interbird>as root: usermod -a -G audio username will add the audiogroup to your user; relogin after this command
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19:56<jmarsden>soundless: When run as the default user, id -Gn often shows: dialout floppy cdrom audio video plugdev # on Debian
19:56<soundless>ok, i thought the first user was givin some super powers, wrong again :P
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19:57<jmarsden>soundless: It's not a magic UID number, it is what groups he is in that gives him those powers :)
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19:58<soundless>m'k, i will give it a shot n let yall know
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19:59<interbird>yeah, and when you have sound change your nick to sound :-)
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20:04<soundless>ok i will, thanks - i will have to restart to get in the groups probably right? so i will see everyone in a while
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20:04<interbird>no restart needed; just a relogin
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20:04<soundless>really? good to know
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20:07<interbird>hi, although we are social and communicating, this is not a chat channel but a problem solving channel; so if you have a problem, please state it.
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20:11<edju>it seems grub2 can be installed in lenny - on this HP lap, grub-pc then?
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20:14<doobiean>had to turn up the volume too :P
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20:17<withSound>i added myself to all kinds of groups too. wonder what the group adm does
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20:19<interbird>withSound: adm is sometimes used in conjunction with sudo; the linux way of the windows equivalent of uac
20:20<bremner>also lets you read most log files in /var/log
20:21<withSound>ah, just give me root anyday :)
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20:22<interbird>root is always there but you don't want to be root like a "first user" on windows is admin; on linux you want to be a "normal user" and use root for administration purposes
20:24<interbird>you want to be able to do administration tasks through sudo but you want to be using your linux system like a normal user
20:25<withSound>i dont think sudo is that secure, mainly i will let someone know my logon so they can get something done, and with sudo, they would be able to administer, is why i think sudo is a bad idea
20:26<interbird>why do you think so many virusses have success on windows? it's because everybody is the first user and has admin right so virusses can play around the *whole* system...
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20:27<interbird>turn-up the volume... :-)
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20:28<withSound>where i work, they have admin turned on the windows machines, so people can get stuff done, like install what they need - sudo would be a good idea on windows, or at least better than the way it's set up now
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20:29<interbird>for developers or everybody ?
20:30<withSound>trusted personel
20:30<interbird>still using ie6 also i guess... nice security policy, glad i'm no admin there.........
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20:53<Kioob>hi. Is it "safe" to use a standard http proxy (varnish) as cache for apt ? For now I use approx which doesn't scale very well.
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20:55<interbird>abrotman: Lenny (live) has kernel 2.6.26 so this T-Mobile driver I need is not in there. As a Debian veteran, why would you propose this solution to me?
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20:58<moiree>Where can I find camcontrol in debian/kfreebsd?
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21:02<interbird>abrotman: <interbird> well, for accessing this t-mobile stick they are because only kernels >= 2.6.28 seem to support it
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21:03<interbird><abrotman> interbird; why don't you just try it with lenny .. see how it turns out
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21:08<interbird>abrotman: I'm still curious what slipped my attention...
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21:09<catfive>hey anybody alive in here?
21:09<catfive>ah, unfortunate
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21:09<interbird>life's a bitch :-)
21:10<catfive>best off avoiding it, then, i say
21:10<interbird>still here ?
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21:11<catfive>well, i stopped by because i'm afraid i've made a bit of a mess with trying to get X going
21:11<catfive>was running headless for a good long time, and finally decided to go X for mostly superficial reasons
21:11<catfive>AND i'd like you to FIX it :P
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21:12<catfive>wanted to do openbox, and had it sort of working, intermittently
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21:12<catfive>now i was trying to do fluxbox and it's not working at all
21:13<interbird>but you can get x up?
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21:13<interbird>like from an xinit from cli?
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21:13<catfive>at the moment, no
21:13<interbird>so, did you check the x-log?
21:13<catfive>i think trying to get the nvidia driver working is what borked it
21:14<interbird>and what it says?
21:14<catfive>(EE) Failed to load module "type1" (module does not exist, 0)
21:14<catfive>(EE) Failed to load module "freetype" (module does not exist, 0)
21:14<catfive>(EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
21:14<catfive>seems apparent
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21:14<catfive>ALSO i'm not 100% sure that i don't have more than one Xserver installed... i'm a little confused with that..
21:15*catfive was used to gnome
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21:16<catfive>so... when i try to launch openbox now i get "Openbox-Message: Failed to open the display from the DISPLAY environment variable."
21:16<interbird>try to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace nvidia with nv; that's the open-source non-accelerated driver; then see if you can do xinit from a cli; then uninstall the nvidia-driver and reinstall it
21:16<catfive>ok sorry
21:17<catfive>oh yeah that's another weird thing, i have an XF86config instead... i think it's compatible but it took me by surprise the first time
21:17<interbird>openbox is just a wm; if xinit does not work you have a driver problem
21:17<interbird>and you also have an xorg.conf ?
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21:18<interbird>maybe it's a leftover...
21:18<catfive>nope interbird, and this was installed with no X at all, so i put it there with SOME godforsaken install
21:18<interbird>see /var/log/Xorg.0.log for details about failing...
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21:19<catfive>yeah, it's got the errors i pasted earlier
21:20<catfive>(that log seems to output when startx fails, and it definitely implicates the nvidia driver)
21:20<catfive>interbird: if i wanted to just start from scratch... could i just autoremove all the x-related packages and rm my x11 dir?
21:21<interbird>startx is a script with more stuff depending... does xinit do anything?
21:21<catfive>same errors as startx
21:21<interbird>dunno what you use? lenny, squeeze?
21:21<catfive>oh also "fatal server error: no screens found"
21:22<catfive>lenny testing
21:22<catfive>so squeeze i guess, sorry ;)
21:23<interbird>can you lspci | grep -i vga here ? (just 1 line)
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21:23<catfive>01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18GL [Quadro NVS 280 SD] (rev c1)
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21:24<catfive>interbird: i'm actually only ssh'd in atm, but this also happens when i'm physically there
21:24<interbird>is there a /etc/X11/xorg.conf on your sys ?
21:24<catfive>and i lied, this is sid... too many boxes...
21:24<catfive>interbird: nope just XF86conf
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21:25<catfive>also, i'm sorry, but i have to take off! i really didn't think someone so attentive would even be around, just wanted to see what the chan was like
21:25<catfive>i'll bbl though, so if i catch you i'd love to pick it back up
21:25<interbird>you ssh'd in and forwarding X?
21:25<catfive>interbird: no
21:25<interbird>fine, take care
21:25<catfive>thanks very much, you too
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22:01<dragonfli-labs>so I've apparently hosed a Debian install trying to upgrade to sid, can anyone help me out? :|
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22:03<dragonfli-labs>apparently doing what most people suggested online (changing lenny to sid in sources.lst) is now making udev complain, causing the entire system to break unless I can get it to shut up during the dist-upgrade
22:03<dragonfli-labs>any advice?
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22:04<m3onh0x84>debian can't use keyboard and mouse, can i copy hal script from ubuntu to debian ?
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22:09<interbird>dragonfli-labs: you are aware that sid is the unstable branch of debian ?
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22:45<Kioob>so, varnish in front of approx seem to work really well :D Now I can start an "aptitude update" in 80 servers in same time without problems.
22:50<interbird>abrotman: But for the Desktop issue I have to admit Lenny/Gnome runs swift; (Other wm's not really an option) I guess I'll have to find a way to put a .28 kernel underneath Lenny. And compile a recent version of Wine because she wants to run word 2k3. That's more than i bargained for but if Lenny grasps a .28 kernel i'll be on my way. Dunno about you, but every xp-system i am able to replace by linux feels good. Thanks for the direction
22:50<interbird>; Virtual beers will come your way when i succeed. thx.
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22:52<darthanub>where exactly would I put --enable-jack=yes in my debian/rules file to get jack support in gtk-recordmydesktop
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23:05<jmarsden>darthanub: Packaging questions are more likely to get good answers in #debian-mentors
23:05<jmarsden>You're welcome.
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23:11<kareem>hiiii everyone, i'm looking for some help with my fresh installation of debian (even though this problem always occurs with debian for me)
23:12<kareem>feel free to pm me i'd really appreciate it
23:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
23:13<kareem><3 thanks
23:13<dr|z3d>We don't do pms, either; ask the channel!
23:13<interbird>kareem: what is that problem that always occurs ?
23:14<kareem>okay, i have a problem with my gnome desktop, and xorg, but i can fix xorg, i don't know how to describe it, i'm in the process of taking a screenshot
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23:15<kareem>okay, this is the screenshot
23:15<kareem>the gnome bars act as if the resolution is smaller than it actually is
23:15<kareem>the bars are set to expand to full width
23:16<kareem>and clicking maximize only brings windows to the edges of the gnome bars
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23:16<kareem>however i can obviously bring other applications out of that square
23:16<kareem>as you can see in the screenshot
23:16<kareem>it's happened for me since debian 4.0, and i'm using debian testing now
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23:17<interbird>try ctrl-alt-f1 and then ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to the graph-terminal; also check the gnome->preferences->screenresolution
23:17<kareem>it even happens on a fresh install of 5.0
23:17<kareem>sup screen resolution shows as the real full resolution
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23:18<kareem>(a lie, since it's supposed to be 1024x800, but it recognizes as 1024x768, i know how to change that in xorg though)
23:18<interbird>could be you have a faulty xorg.conf but that would be strange since you say you installed several versons...
23:19<interbird>what does lspci | grep -i vga say ?
23:20<kareem>even copying a good xorg.conf from a working distro on the same computer leads to the same looking screen
23:20<kareem>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
23:20<kareem>like i copy my xorg.conf from slackware which works fine
23:20<kareem>but debian still hates it
23:21<interbird>try 915resolution
23:22<kareem>is that in the etch repo? becuase i can't find it in lenny
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23:24<interbird>doesn't apt-get search resolution give a line ?
23:24<interbird>fot intel graphics?
23:26<interbird>sorry; apt-cache search resolution
23:26<kareem>is was about to say i can aptitude search
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23:27<kareem>none of the 915resolution package
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23:28<interbird>hehe, hmm, can't find it also on lenny; this was a workaround for intel-cards hiding resolutions...
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23:29<kareem>915resolution was axed if i remember
23:29<kareem>due to the new intel drivers
23:30<kareem>back when it was i810
23:30<kareem>but now that intel rolled it it's supposed to work :(
23:30<interbird>yeh, but that one solved problems before; strange you have them now. did you try another distro like a live linix-mint cd to see if that works ?
23:30<interbird>or knoppix ?
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23:30<kareem>slackware, ubuntu, fedora, opensuse
23:30<interbird>and? same issue ?
23:30<kareem>all work fine
23:31<kareem>debian is the only one
23:31<kareem>for the past 2ish years
23:31<kareem>that has this issue
23:31<kareem>what's the one that's binary compatable with debian?
23:31<kareem>mepis i think
23:31<kareem>that one works fine too
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23:32<kareem>but back when i was a student i had no time to fiddle around and ask questions
23:32<kareem>but now i'd like to see this resolved, i <3 debian
23:33<kareem>in related news, window snapping snaps to the screen edge not to where gnome thinks the edge is
23:33<kareem>so i'm thinking xorg is fine
23:33<kareem>but it obviously isn't
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23:34<kareem>i'm rambling and i apologize
23:34<interbird>you could test that with xinit from the comandline; to determine if it's a gnome issue or an x-issue
23:34<interbird>also, you could try the plain vesa drivers
23:35<kareem>i guess
23:35<interbird>nowadays, /etc/X11/xorg.conf can also be empty or not present; you could also try that.
23:35<kareem>how would i go around testing it with xinit
23:36<kareem>and i apologize again for taking up your time
23:36<interbird>logout back to gdm; ctrl-alt-f1; killall gdm; ctrl-alt-f2; login as your user on te text-console; xinit
23:37<kareem>thank you for all your help
23:37<interbird>if trah graphics-screen is of the correct-size the problem seems to be in gnome
23:37<interbird>ctrl-d exits xinit (or typing exit)
23:38<kareem>anything else i need to know before i return?
23:38<kareem>thank you so much for your time interbird
23:38<interbird>ctrl-alt-backspace kills an x-server
23:38<kareem>lol, the obvious really isn't necessary
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23:41<kareem>sadly, i'm back
23:41<kareem>xorg seems to be okay, screen real estate is perfect
23:42<interbird>so, it uses the correct resolution ?
23:42<interbird>you used xinit?
23:43<kareem>xeyes too :)
23:43<kareem>welcome to my hell interbird
23:43<interbird>you could try to start metacity& and later gnome-session from the white terminal; to see if gnome then uses the correct resolution
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23:45<interbird>metacity is the window-manager and the & means it will start in the background so you get your prompt back to give more commands like gnome-session; metacity handles the placement of windows
23:45<jsubl2>i missed the start of this. did he have an intel graphics with squeeze issue
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23:46<kareem>once again
23:46<kareem>sadly i'm back with the same issue
23:46<kareem>gnome shinaniganry
23:48<interbird>kareem: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
23:48<kareem>i dind't have one before
23:48<kareem>and it still did this
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23:48<interbird>as root: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bad
23:49<kareem>:( it's a baddy
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23:49<interbird>do that and see what x does without it
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23:50<kareem>okey dokie
23:50<kareem>restarting x
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23:51<kareem>lol i'm pretty sure you are sick of me by now
23:51<kareem>same issue
23:52<interbird>yeah, you have some strange graphics-card... :-)
23:52<kareem>lol the i965
23:52<jsubl2>i have the i945. i could not get gnome and squeeze working. to slow
23:52<kareem>i'll try again copying the xorg from a working mepis live cd
23:52<kareem>be back in 10
23:52<interbird>does your bios have an "arpeture" ?
23:53<kareem>wtf is that
23:53<kareem>my bios is a standard old bios
23:53<interbird>is the video-mem shared with the main-mem?
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23:54<kareem>intel laptop chipset
23:54<kareem>that's standard
23:54<interbird>then set it higher than 8MB; 16MB could be better; reboot->enter BIOS->search for "aperture" setting->increase to > 8MB
23:55<kareem>alright see you in a bit then
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23:55<jsubl2>gonna check mine
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