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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-17

---Logopened Sun Jan 17 00:00:02 2010
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00:09<goodger_>hmm, is there any way to prevent firefox from memory-leaking besides not using it?
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00:11<amitav>I have written a netinst image to a USB stick. I can boot from it fine; but it does not proceed after it is unable to detect cd-rom.
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00:19<amitav>do I need to copy the iso file on to the usb stick or its contents?
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00:19<raylu>it's contents... sort of. i use unetbootin to do it
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00:21<amitav>raylu: I also used unetbootin to copy the contents of the iso to the usb stick
00:22<amitav>raylu: but it is failing at detecting cd-rom step. well even without cd-rom it should install, why does it need the cd-rom when I am using usb stick?
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00:26<raylu>not sure. does the machine not have a cd-rom?
00:26<amitav>raylu: yes
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00:29<kareem>so bad news again infernix
00:29<kareem>i even took a working xorg.conf from my live cd
00:30<kareem>seems like gnome is the one acting up
00:30<amitav>raylu: explain how you do it with unetbootin
00:31<kareem>am i poop out of luck when using debian?
00:33<jmarsden>amitav and raylu : You may be experiencing something close to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/unetbootin/+bug/338455
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00:34<ml|>kareem: try reading this to make a xorg.conf ... http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce
00:34<kareem>i'm pretty sure my xorg.conf is fine
00:34<kareem>it's gnome that's the issue
00:35<kareem>http://i45.tinypic.com/2vc6quw.png
00:35<kareem>interbird, was the name :(
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00:36<raylu>amitav: i select the ISO and the drive letter/block device and just click the button
00:37<amitav>raylu: pretty much same here
00:37<amitav>jmarsden: looking at it
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00:38<kareem>amitav & raylu are getting the no cdrom error when using unetbootin?
00:38<amitav>kareem: well I am
00:38<kareem>you are using an iso you downloaded previously i presume?
00:39<kareem>because i've gotten that error from time to time
00:39<kareem>and it had nothing to do with unetbootin
00:39<kareem>the same usb drive in my netbook would work, and in my notebook would not work
00:39<kareem>giving me the cd shinanigan error
00:39<amitav>kareem: i downloaded both unetbootin and the image tomorrow
00:40<ml|>you can try following this instead /msg dpkg usb install
00:41<amitav>ml|: seen that
00:41<kareem>are you trying to install debian amitav?
00:41<ml|>tried it and failed too?
00:42<amitav>kareem: yes
00:42<amitav>ml|: that gave me boot error
00:43<kareem>i'm sorry to hear that amitav
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00:43<amitav>kareem: :/
00:45<kareem>i iknow the feeling
00:45<kareem>i've been wanting to use debian for its extensive repos
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00:46<kareem>but alas it looks like i'll be back to slackware by tuesday
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00:47<ml|>amitav: are you sure your machine can boot from usb? and did you verify the iso when using unetbootin? just some ideas
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00:55<tuv>doesn't debian's snmpd support process monitoring? e.g. proc sshd? it doesn't have any effect on the output of snmpwalk
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00:58<amitav>ml|: well I can now boot from the usb stick and go up to cd rom detection failure
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01:00<ml|>amitav: yes, makes sense just asking, but verifying the iso can't hurt
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01:07<tuv>amitav: are you trying to install from usb?
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02:41<amitav_>ml|: well the iso is verified now
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02:53<amitav_>netinst fails to find a cd rom
02:53<amitav_>using usb stick
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03:02<scorpion>hello
03:04<scorpion>I install vboxaddons the guest debian 5.0.3 after reboot does not work mouse
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03:05<scorpion>host system vista SP2 32 bita
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03:08<scorpion>ideas?
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03:46<arsmusic>HI
03:46<seeS>hello
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03:49<dazhi>who is here
03:50<cahoot>circa 300
03:50<cahoot>more or less active
03:51<seeS>much less active
03:53<cahoot>less is more
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03:55<wangyang>hello
03:55<dazhi>yes
03:55<wangyang>no no no`~~
03:56<dazhi>where are you
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04:03<res>hi. does this network give out cloaks for unaffiliated?
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04:04<seeS>i think this is the one that gives out no cloaks
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04:40<Miova>Hello!
04:40<amitav>i am attempting a netinst. I am having a pppoe connection.
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04:40<amitav>I have installed the minimal system and have a boot loader configured and partioning done.
04:41<Miova>did someone configure a recent kernel (above 2.6.31-rc5) to use in a netbook Asus 1005ha plesae ?
04:41<amitav>now, help me set up the pppoe connection so that I can proceed with rest of the install
04:42<gsimmons>dpkg: tell amitav -about pppoe
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04:43<Miova>did you use before installation the command "modules=ppp-udeb" ?
04:44<amitav>Miova: no. I have used graphical installer.
04:44<Miova>not a good idea
04:44<Miova>try this ^^
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04:45<Miova>and what about me ? :D
04:45<gsimmons>Miova: How is it "not a good idea"? The system is already established, a reinstallation just to enable PPPoE use is not necessary.
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04:45<amitav>Miova: well I already have it installed. can't I install pppoe now
04:46<Miova>ok sorry, I didn't know the begining ^^
04:46<Miova>I just said "before the installation, enter the command "module=ppe-udeb"
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04:47<amitav>Miova: yeah, but I have already installed it.
04:47<Miova>try a reinstall ?
04:47<Miova>for my opinion, much easier
04:48<Miova>hep, can you help me ?
04:48<Miova>someone please ?
04:48<Miova>did someone configure a recent kernel (above 2.6.31-rc5) to use in a netbook Asus 1005ha please ?
04:49<gsimmons>amitav: Either use pppoeconf (pppoeconf package) or read /usr/share/doc/ppp/* and configure manually.
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04:50<amitav>gsimmons: well is that package available after the netinst image installation?
04:50<Miova>amitav: so now, you don't have the graphical mode
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04:51<amitav>Miova: no I can boot my new debian system to the command line
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04:52<Miova>ok
04:52<Miova>I guess kernel is 2.6.26...
04:52<Miova>?
04:52<amitav>Miova: yes
04:53<Miova>you have the minimal system, so doing a reinstal not take a long time ...
04:54<Miova>the minimal system can even not do a tar command ...
04:54<gsimmons>amitav: Yes, pppoeconf is present on the amd64 and i386 5.0.3 netinst images.
04:54<amitav>gsimmons: thats positive signal
04:54<amitav>Miova: let me check
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04:57<amitav_>gsimmons: I haven't compiled a kernel yet
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04:58<amitav_>Miova: should I append the modules=.. line to syslinux.cgf?
04:59<gsimmons>amitav_: I don't understand how that would be relevant to your current situation.
04:59<amitav_>gsimmons: well pppoeconf command is not found
05:00<gsimmons>Did you install the package providing the command?
05:00<amitav_>gsimmons: i guess not
05:01<gsimmons>It would be advisable in order to use the recommended utility.
05:02<amitav_>gsimmons: I am new to debian. so please tell me the command. apt-get pppoeconf says invalid operation
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05:03<gsimmons>amitav_: It is generally preferred to use aptitude over apt-get. "aptitude install pppoeconf" installs the requested package.
05:04<amitav_>gsimmons: thanks that worked. I guess I shall have to configure it now
05:05<amitav_>gsimmons: couldn't find any package whose name matched 'pppoeconf'
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05:07<Miova>so ... do a reinstall ;)
05:08<amitav_>Miova: where do I specify the boot parameter?
05:09<ao2>wow, py2.6 in unstable at last...
05:10<Miova>in the beginning, when you choose between command line ou graphical install.
05:11<Miova>use the touch "tap" (left to the "Q" in qwerty mode)
05:12<Miova>and type module=ppe-udeb
05:13<amitav_>Miova: well i don't get to select between cli installer or graphical installer.
05:13<simonrvn>ao2: what?
05:13<amitav_>Miova: it takes me directly to the language choice
05:13<simonrvn>must've come in the latest dinstall... didn't see python get updated
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05:15<Miova>this image you should have in the beginning : http://formation-debian.via.ecp.fr/fichiers/d-i_accueil.png
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05:15<Miova>(sorry if links are ban)
05:16<amitav_>Miova: I don't get this option. thats the point.
05:16<Miova>that wrote "press ENTER or TAB to edit a menu entry"
05:16<amitav_>Miova: may be thats because I used the vmlinuz and initrd.gz in the gtk folder
05:17<amitav_>Miova: there is no menu entry
05:17<simonrvn>ao2: um, in experimental still only
05:17<gsimmons>amitav_: Did you prepare your Debian installation image via UNetbootin?
05:17<henry-nicolas>Hi *, since today my Nagios setup doesn't work normally /debian lenny : I got no panel within the web and I got 404 errors when I click on links
05:17<simonrvn>ao2: um, nm that ... i missed it
05:17<amitav_>gsimmons: no
05:17<Miova>just download the netinstall cd and do it
05:17<amitav_>Miova: yeah, did that
05:18<Miova>but that's wrong then ?
05:18<amitav_>Miova: i don't know
05:18<Miova>(yep my english is preety ugly, I'm french ^^)
05:19<amitav_>Miova: doesn't matter. french have been very helpful to me.
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05:20<Miova>go get the netinstall cd 5.03 : http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
05:20<amitav_>Miova: have it
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05:20<gsimmons>amitav_: ppp-udeb can alternatively be loaded via the "Load installer components from CD" option (at the medium debconf priority) within Debian-Installer.
05:21<amitav_>Miova: downloaded last night
05:21<Miova>beware if you don't using i386 architecture
05:21<amitav_>Miova: I know about archs
05:21<amitav_>gsimmons: tell me more about that
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05:21<Miova>amitav: well, burn it/copy it in an USB device and boot on it ...
05:22<amitav_>can I specify modules=... after the "boot:" ?
05:22<Miova>yes, you can. You should type "modules=..." when you are in the beginning screen
05:23<amitav_>I stalled the device selection for a minute and am seeing the boot prompt for the first time.
05:23<Miova>http://formation-debian.via.ecp.fr/fichiers/d-i_accueil.png
05:23<Miova>does look like that ?
05:23<amitav_>Miova: it is asking for a kernel image
05:24<Miova>because you don't have copy same boot image and same netinstall ...
05:25<amitav_>Miova: no I do.
05:25<Miova>so i don't know/understand then ... :(
05:26<amitav_>Miova: may be I can't explain properly
05:26<Miova>did you use an CD or an usb device ?
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05:26<amitav_>gsimmons: when selecting "load installer components" it is taking me to network configuration
05:26<amitav_>Miova: usb
05:27<Miova>you can't try with an cd-rw, do you ?
05:27<amitav_>Miova: no.
05:27<Miova>well ...
05:28<gsimmons>amitav_: You're required to adjust the debconf priority; select "Go Back" and choose "Change debconf priority" to adjust. You should then be able to manually select installer components as desired.
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05:28<Miova>recheck if you download right boot image : http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/
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05:29<amitav_>Miova: yup, i have checked it
05:29<amitav_>gsimmons: there is low, medium, critical and high.
05:30<gsimmons>amitav_: I did say "medium" previously.
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05:32<amitav_>gsimmons: well after installing ppp-udeb, how can I set the priority to normal for normal installation and how can confirm whether I have skipped any necessary installation modules.
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05:34<gsimmons>amitav_: Repeat the debconf adjustment process and select 'high'. Debian-Installer should take care of anything else related for your PPPoE configuration.
05:34<amitav_>gsimmons: okay
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05:36<musca>Dro: why do you send CTCP-Requests?
05:37<Dro>What is it?
05:37<Miova>^^
05:37<ravenbird>^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it
05:37<musca>[11:31:58] * Received unknown CTCP by Dro!~Alexander@broadband-77-37-150-80.nationalcablenetworks.ru
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05:39<Miova>please help me ... :'(
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05:41<gsimmons>Miova: You can use 2.6.32 from unstable if you require a later kernel version than 2.6.31-rc5. More applicable support may be available from #debian-eeepc on this network.
05:42<Dro>Russian are?
05:43<Miova>2.6.32.3 are the last stable kernel : http://www.kernel.org/
05:43<Miova>how do I an update kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32 ?
05:45<dr|z3d>Miova: Add the necessary repository to your apt sources..
05:45<dr|z3d>gsimmons just hinted.. you need the unstable repo..
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05:46<Miova>how please ?
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05:48<dr|z3d>Miova: You need to do some reading. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto
05:49<Miova>ok thank ^^
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05:49<Miova>thit's in french ! thank you ^^
05:52<Miova>I already know how to add some sources in sources.list ...
05:52<Miova>but I don't understand what I suppose to add in ...
05:53<dr|z3d>Great. So go find the unstable repository, add it, update and then pull down a later kernel.
05:53<dr|z3d>!fgi Miova debian unstable repository lenny
05:53<dpkg>Miova: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian unstable repository lenny
05:54<Miova>"fuckinggoogleit" ? xD
05:54<Miova>akward ...
05:56<Miova>well ... I dl linux-2.6.32.3.tar.bz2
05:56<Miova>what I suppose to whit it ?
05:56<Miova>*with
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05:57<Miova>I use tar xvjf to uncompressed it ...
05:58<Miova>and what about now ?
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06:00<dr|z3d>Miova: You ask for help; you get it. Then you totally disredard that advice, and do your own thing. Don't be surprised if help susbsides.
06:01<dr|z3d>s/disredard/disregard s/susbides/subsides
06:01<Miova>I'm french and I don't really get a word ...
06:01<dr|z3d>!fr
06:01<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
06:01<Miova>I did it ...
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06:02<Miova>I'm now on it too ...
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06:03<Miova>They told me about special eeepc kernel ...
06:03<Miova>"So go find the unstable repository" ???
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06:03<Miova>le dépot instable ???
06:04<Miova>where ?
06:05<dr|z3d>Rejoignez #debian-fr svp.
06:05<Miova>good job !
06:05<Miova>oh oh ! tume is running time
06:05<Miova>*time
06:05<Miova>*out ! xD
06:06<Miova>thank you for the little help, to be continued ;)
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06:27<Wilthril>anyone knows if there is a way to read (and maybe write) on an ext4 filesystem with windows xp/vista/7?
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06:37<user1>你好
06:37<khades>îÎ
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06:43<xiushen>这是什么地方阿
06:43<locklace>!cn
06:43<dpkg>cn is, like, China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
06:43<xiushen>刚来报道
06:43<xiushen>看不懂英文,有说中文的吗
06:44<locklace>xiushen: /join #debian-zh
06:44<xiushen>你好阿,locklace
06:45*locklace rests head on keyboard
06:46<gsimmons>Wilthril: Apparently ext2fsd can read ext4, provided extents are not an enabled filesystem feature ; /msg dpkg ext2fsd
06:47<Wilthril>gsimmons: i know that on my windows7 x86 (yeah sorry but for work) with ext2fsd i can't read my ext4 partition and ext3 is read only
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06:48<Wilthril>i downloaded it 3 months ago and it's like it
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06:49<xiushen>怎么都是英文阿
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06:50<xiushen>i name chenyuanjun
06:52<locklace>!en
06:52<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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06:54<Wilthril>ok maybe i'll ask it another way: is there any benefit for an external hard drive to be in ext4 instead of ext3? is it much safer?
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06:55<locklace>Wilthril: see http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ for general information about ext4
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06:56<fred1>Im not sure exactly what the benefits of ext4 are, but i went with ext2 on one I have, rather than ext3.. i would think it would depend on the intended use of the drive
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06:57<fred1>in my case, the use was transporting large files between multiple machines, where there was no need for protection against data loss if it was shutdown imporperly, becuase the dat in question was still stored where it came from
06:57<fred1>and the drive would be erased and rewritten again anyway to transfer something else
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07:02<Wilthril>ok i guess i'll stick with ext3...
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07:15<Guest2512>hi, should i download ia64 insted of i386 image if i want 64bit support on intels Q8400
07:16<locklace>Guest2512: amd64
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07:18<Guest2512>thats confusing ;) amd64 on intel's cpu ;) but thanks, didn't thought about that ;)
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07:49<Guest2515>hello. I'm trying to connect olympus x-42 camera with 4G SD, system found the device and even created a device
07:50<Guest2515>'sdb' and it fastly disappeared
07:50<Guest2515>http://snipt.org/qolo
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07:50<Guest2515>under windows it works ok
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07:53<cockroach>hey, small question: i'm doing lenny preseed installations and i need to use a proxy server to access the outside world. however, my custom repo is *not* accessible via the proxy. is there a way to say "don't use the proxy server for this custom repository"?
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08:34<gsimmons>cockroach: I don't believe so, see Debian bug #410878. Sounds like you want a preseed option to export its value for the no_proxy environment variable.
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08:35<cockroach>gsimmons: oh, sucks. but thanks for the link!
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09:32<flower>where can I find the boot messages?
09:32<flower>is there a log file?
09:32<cahoot>!bootlogd
09:32<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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09:34<flower>cahoot: fixed?
09:34<flower>cahoot: so I can enable it
09:34<flower>without damage?
09:34<cahoot>yes
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09:42<Rovanion>Hello channel, I'm having issues with my wireless. I have the correct firmware installed and I seem to be able to bring up the device, but it does not recognize any network
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09:44<Rovanion>Does not find any networks*
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09:44<cahoot>Rovanion: iwlist scan shows nor ap's?
09:46<Rovanion>cahoot: No scan results for wlan1
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09:46<cahoot>it is wlan1?
09:46<cahoot>how come it's not wlan0?
09:46<Rovanion>I suppose that is the name of the unit, wierd that it's not wlan0. But no wlan0 is listed
09:47<gsimmons>Rovanion: What device are you using? The DWL-650+?
09:47<cahoot>remove /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, then run udevadm trigger
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09:47<Rovanion>gsimmons: Yes
09:47<Rovanion>Will so do cahoot
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09:47<catfive>hello
09:48<catfive>can somebody help me get xorg going?
09:49<Rovanion>cahoot: Iwlist still shows only wlan1
09:49<gsimmons>Rovanion: PCI-ID 168c:0013 (ver A1) or 104c:8400 (ver B4)? Use "lspci -nn | grep Net" to determine.
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09:51<karls>catfive: What seems to be the problem?
09:51<Rovanion>Bah I can't find | on the laptop keyboard, must start irssi on the laptop and copy
09:52<catfive>karls: well this is my sid server that's been headless for a long time, looking to throw a DE on it, and only got openbox working intermittently
09:52<catfive>then trying to get my nvidia card supported seems to have borked it entirely
09:53<catfive>(dual monitors w/ a minimal DE is the ultimate goal)
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09:53<Rovanion>And for some reason my internet connection broke after running one of the commands you gave me,
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09:54<karls>catfive: Um.. I haven't dealt with dual monitors. Have you tried Xorg -config?
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09:54<catfive>karls: at this point it's just getting it going at all
09:55<Rovanion>cahoot: It's 104c:8400
09:55<gsimmons>Rovanion: Are you intending to connect to a WPA encrypted network?
09:56<catfive>karls: startx or xinit throws an error implicating the nvidia driver
09:56<karls>catfive: Ah. Which card are you using?
09:56<Rovanion>gsimmons: Yes I will probably be doing that, either unencrypted or WPA, WEP is depricated
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09:58<gsimmons>Rovanion: The acx driver as packaged in Debian does not support WPA (a port to mac80211 with this support is currently in development). Which firmware have you installed?
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10:00<catfive>karls: heh, i don't actually know... what's the quickest way to pull that up? dmesg | grep nvidia has no hits, what's that other command
10:00<Rovanion>gsimmons: tiacx-100
10:00<karls>catfive: lspci | grep VGA
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10:00<catfive>ah that's the one nVidia Corporation NV18GL [Quadro NVS 280 SD]
10:01<ledus>hi all
10:01<catfive>nothing fancy, this is an oldish work pc
10:01<ledus>i have just installed debian on my acer aspire one (testing netinstall)
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10:02<karls>catfive: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx
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10:02<ledus>but i have some problems with the resolution
10:02<Rovanion>gsimmons: Okey, so the firmware/driver I currently have installed has no support for WPA? But there is one, tough not officially released yet?
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10:02<catfive>karls: do i need to remove whatever i have in there now?
10:02<ledus>someone can help me?
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10:03<karls>catfive: Um. I think so yes. Your current setup isn't working at all?
10:03<catfive>karls, it was working without any nvidia driver at all before
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10:04<karls>catfive: Oh. What's your goal?
10:04<catfive>karls: also i think i did the xorg install wrong once, i have no xorg.conf but an XF86config
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10:04<karls>Oh right. XF86 is the old X11 I think.
10:05<karls>You probably want to remove that old one and sudo apt-get install xorg
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10:05<catfive>the goal first all is to get a working xorg, and to skim off the unnecessary and potentially conflicting stuff that i may have installed in the process
10:06<catfive>karls: i did an xorg install, but i don't know what should be kept/removed
10:06<catfive>there are a shit ton of packages with x or x11 in the name....
10:06<catfive>;)
10:06<gsimmons>Rovanion: That's correct, see Oliver Winker's Jan 03 post on the acx100-devel mailing list (depends on Linux 2.6.32). I can assist you with unencrypted/WEP usage with the existing acx driver, if you can provide further details regarding your installed firmware (e.g. acquisition source).
10:07<karls>catfive: Uhm :D you mean shitton of installed packages?
10:08<catfive>karls: http://dpaste.com/146446/ <-- the "x" section of my dpkg -l
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10:09<catfive>karls: to remove my nvidia stuff, should i do an apt-get autoremove?
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10:10<karls>catfive: comparing your stuff to mine, you're running the same version of xorg as I am.
10:12<catfive>wuh oh, i just autoremoved nvidia-kernel-source... it think that was a mistake....
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10:13<karls>catfive: ....
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10:14<catfive>karls: ok i put it back (it removed A LOT of stuff)
10:14<karls>Okay
10:14<flower>I get boot messages which I can't see with dmesg
10:14<flower>is there a way to stop the boot process when booting?
10:14<karls>catfive: Install the driver I gave you
10:15<Lethalman>flower, enable bootlogd
10:15<flower>Lethalman: I did
10:15<catfive>karls: before i do that, how do i get a clean xorg.conf again?
10:15<catfive>nvm
10:15<flower>Lethalman: but what file to open? and how?
10:15<karls>You said you had XF86config?
10:15<Lethalman>flower, /var/log/boot
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10:15<catfive>karls: yes that is correct, but xorg parses it
10:16<karls>Did you run Xorg -configure?
10:16<catfive>XF86config makes a lot of references to the nvidia stuff, so i think i should start with a fresh one
10:17<catfive>wtf? sudo: xorg: command not found
10:17<karls>Try capital X
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10:17<adb>X -configure :1
10:17<catfive>cool with sudo and a capital it worked
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10:18<flower>Lethalman: thanks, but before booting I get some messages I don't see in that file
10:18<Lethalman>flower, go to tty1 and scroll up
10:18<flower>Lethalman: how?
10:18<catfive>karls: why did it stick the xorg.conf in ~/me/xorg.conf insteax of /etc/X11
10:19<Lethalman>ctrl+f1 then ctrl+pageup (or shit+pageup I don't remember), then ctrl+tt7 to go back X
10:19<karls>catfive: probably because you wouldn't want to overwrite the old one in case the new one doesn't work.
10:19<flower>Lethalman: at boot time?
10:19<Lethalman>ehm sorry flower ctrl+alt+f1 to switch tty1
10:19<Lethalman>flower, no, now
10:19<karls>Just rename the on in X11 and cp the new one there. Then restart X
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10:22<catfive>ok sweet, and is startx the best way to do that? (right now startx is defaulting to the old conf)
10:22<karls>Yeah
10:23<catfive>YEEHAW openbox!
10:23<karls>:)
10:23<karls>Openbox is awesome indeed.
10:24<catfive>thanks karls!!
10:24<karls>catfive: No problem mate!
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10:24<catfive>now, if you don't mind, can i continue to bug you about some minor related things?
10:25<catfive>:)
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10:25<karls>Okay sure. If I can answer. I'm no expert.
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10:26<catfive>ha, well maybe others in the room can jump in too, i'm obviously not an expert either, but i know a fair amount and i like to experiment
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10:27<catfive>now when i do something like mess around with X i have a feeling i've left a trail of destruction in my wake, or at least a mess of unused packages, worthless files, etc
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10:27<Rovanion>Seems like I lost my connection to the network. Anyways, I will try to trace up where I found that wireless driver
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10:28<catfive>how can i keep my system clean? how can i tell what is important and what isn't?
10:29<catfive>and when i do install shit just for fun, how do i make sure i know all the things it created/moved/deleted in case i want to revert?
10:30<cahoot>that's a rethoric question - no?
10:30<catfive>cahoot: not really rhetorical, but maybe open to opinion?
10:31<karls>Uhm. I actually don't know the answer to that as I haven't done that before (I usually trust aptitude :D)
10:31<cahoot>catfive: I meant the: 'how can i tell what is important and what isn't?'
10:32<catfive>cahoot: well for example right now karls just helped me get X going... and i'm almost CERTAIN when i installed X i used more packages than necessary... now maybe i'm just more anal than most about minimalism, but it bugs me that those unnecessary packages are installed!
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10:33<karls>sudo apt-get install deborphan
10:33<catfive>maybe i should implement some sort of snapshot based backup
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10:34<karls>and then man deborphan :)
10:34<flower>Lethalman: can't scroll up
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10:34<catfive>cool karls thanks for that!
10:35<karls>I've never used it myself, but it seems to be what you're looking for.
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10:36<catfive>at least it shows me i'm not the only minimalist freak out there ;)
10:36<karls>:D
10:36<flower>Lethalman: ?
10:36<Lethalman>flower, I don't know
10:37<amitav>I have installed debian from a netinst image with a working internet connection. how do I set up a gnome desktop on it?
10:37<karls>I'm a bit of minimalist freak myself. Although I'm currently running Ubuntu due to not getting along with Arch very well. Will migrate over to Debian Squeeze after the exams.
10:37<gsimmons>dpkg: tell amitav -about install gnome
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10:39<catfive>karls: yeah, i started with ubuntu and the clutter drove me NUTS. I mean it made it easy as hell, but moving to a totally stripped down debian was the way to go for me
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10:39<catfive>i actually never would have even installed X, but i'm setting up a basement "batcave" and had space for displays... just seemed appropriate
10:40<catfive>next project: second monitor :P
10:40<karls>Yeah, that was the thing I was going for with Arch. I had a nice clean install but then stuff started breaking - HAL didn't start for example. Debian seems very solid and mature atm.
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10:42<catfive>yeah arch strikes me as finicky, although reading now i see it's init framework based, so maybe i could hack it. i thought i was man enough for gentoo... i was wrong
10:42<gsimmons>Rovanion: AFAICT, the versions of tiacx100 and tiacx100r11 (and no other files) available from http://acx100.erley.org/fw/acx100_1.9.8.b/ are suitable for use of your device with the packaged acx driver. Note that only one radio firmware image (i.e. tiacx100r11) should be supplied.
10:43<flower>how can I check whether my video card driver is installed/working ok?
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10:44<flower>matrox
10:44<flower>mga
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10:46<Rovanion>gsimmons, How do I know which radio firmware image to pick?
10:46<cahoot>flower: do you have reason to doubt the function?
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10:46<gsimmons>Rovanion: I just told you.
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10:47<flower>cahoot: yes, some guy was suggesting it because an app does not run here well
10:47<Rovanion>gsimmons, Oh, I guess I went blind for a couple of seconds. Thanks for your help
10:47<cahoot>flower: not something requiring 3d I hope
10:48<flower>I also get a message about udev and the driver before booting, but I can't see that message after boot
10:48<amitav_>gsimmons: aptitude could not find xorg
10:48<flower>cahoot: I don't think so
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10:48<engywook>anybody running the ati proprietary drivers?
10:48<cahoot>flower: traditionally matorx card used to be the best supported - things maybe have changed lately
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10:49<flower>cahoot: I tried to install an driver myself a while ago, I am afraid I messed someting up
10:49<cahoot>flower: I see
10:50<cahoot>flower: I'd take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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10:51<flower>cahoot: http://pastebin.com/mbcb6118
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10:52<cahoot>flower: well 'I' was more a figure of speech
10:52<flower>cahoot: :)
10:52<catfive>well apparently my "family" would like to "see" me... SIGH... thanks again for your help karls, and i hope everybody has themselves a nice day!
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10:53<amitav_>I am able to connect to the internet but aptitude is not able to find packages and install them leaving me with a bare minimum system. help me figure out the problem and install gnome.
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10:53<flower>cahoot: well I see nothing special, but I'm not an pro...
10:54<SimSimma>Would anybody know why the '.' in "./" isnt being recognized ? I need major help, as it's not allowing me to compile
10:54<flower>cahoot: do you know how to check messages whch you get before/at booting?
10:54<flower>cahoot: they are not in the boot log
10:54<cahoot>(EE) MGA(0): [drm] Failed to initialize DMA! (-2) - google on that?
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10:56<gsimmons>amitav_: This is similar to your inability to install pppoeconf from a previous install. Please provide the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file at a paste site ; /msg dpkg paste
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10:58<askme>hi all , do you want to make more 500$ daily.. pm me now
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10:58<SimSimma>I can get a job
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10:58<SimSimma>selling meth
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11:02<amitav_>gsimmons: in a minute
11:03<amitav_>gsimmons: http://paste.lisp.org/display/93536
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11:05<gsimmons>amitav_: Assuming ftp.iitm.ac.in is now contactable, uncomment lines 7 and 9 in your file, run "aptitude update" and attempt your xorg installation again.
11:05<flower>I get some messages at booting, or maybe even before booting, how to check those messages?
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11:06<cahoot>dmesg or bootlog
11:06<cahoot>well not the ones preceeding boot though
11:06<flower>cahoot: I can't find them there
11:06<flower>it's preceeding I think
11:06<flower>it's about something in udev rules.d
11:07<flower>afaik
11:07<cahoot>w
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11:07<cahoot>those are just warnings (if the ones I see here are the same)
11:07<flower>nothing serious?
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11:09<cahoot>flower: like: udevd[465]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/11-hplj10xx.rules:28 ?
11:09<flower>cahoot: rigth
11:09<cahoot>those are just warnings
11:10<Rovanion>gsimmons, I do now have the firmware placed into /lib/firmware and have restarted my system. Still no wireless internet is found, atleast not by knetworkmananger
11:10<flower>ok
11:10<flower>thanks
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11:11<gsimmons>Rovanion: What tiacx* files are currently present in /lib/firmware?
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11:12<Rovanion>gsimmons, tiacx100 and tiacx100r11
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11:13<metalqga>debian squeeze, Java apps cannot connect to the internet, found a solution in editing /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf, but I get permission denied when saving the changes. Tried to change file permissions, but no luck. What am I missing?
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11:14<azeem>metalqga: are you root?
11:14<metalqga>yes
11:14<azeem>I find it hard to believe that root is not allowed to edit that file
11:14<azeem>maybe you messed up the permissions beforehand
11:14<metalqga>pff wait ;)
11:15<azeem>I can edit it fine on my squeeze box
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11:15<metalqga>thought I had root privileges while not having ;)
11:15<metalqga>thanks azeem, everything is fine now
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11:17<metalqga>but this particular java app is still not working :(
11:17<gsimmons>Rovanion: Stop NetworkManager (invoke-rc.d network-manager stop), ifconfig wlan1 down, modprobe -r acx, modprobe acx, ifconfig wlan1 up, iwlist wlan1 scan. I'd be interested in your dmesg output (/msg dpkg paste) after this point.
11:18<azeem>metalqga: you might have to restart networking or something, dunno
11:18<Rovanion>gsimmons, invoke-rc.d network-manager stop does not work, should I go /etc/initq.d/network mananger stop ?
11:18<themill>!java ipv6
11:18<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html. This currently breaks networking in java, see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions.
11:18<gsimmons>Rovanion: Whatever works to stop it.
11:19<themill>metalqga: "invoke-rc.d procps restart" is claimed to be necessary in that bug report.
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11:19<metalqga>yes!!! just restarted it
11:19<metalqga>thanks a lot azeem and themill
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11:20<themill>np
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11:27<Rovanion>gsimmons, This is my dmesg, http://pastebin.org/77714
11:27<Rovanion>Seems there were a lot of messages, so it does not contain everything from boot
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11:33<cahoot>try /ver/log/dmesg
11:33<cahoot>var
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11:35<moiree>May I have a problem with debian/kfreebsd?
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11:35<icebrain>moiree: you don't need our permission to have problems :D
11:36<moiree>That's nice, thank you.
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11:43<gsimmons>Rovanion: Ah, your device has a radio ID of 0x0d, not 0x11. Please remove /lib/firmware/tiacx100r11 and supply http://acx100.erley.org/fw/acx100_1.9.8.b/tiacx100r0D instead. Repeat everything from modprobe -r acx as previously directed.
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11:55<Rovanion>gsimmons, Will do. Just made dinner, it's in the oven now
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12:02<mgoetze>hi - i've been fighting with apt pinning for quite some time and still can't get it to work like i want, could someone please look at http://paste.debian.net/56938/ and give me a hint?
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12:05<Rovanion>gsimmons, The search found networks. Do you want to look at any logs or should I just bring up NM and try to connect to my hotspot?
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12:05<SynrG>after removing every trace (so I thought) of two ancient kernels from a system, when i run update-initramfs -u -k all, I still get complaints about the old kernels. what could i possibly be missing?
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12:06<SynrG>e.g. /boot/initrd.img-2.6.21-1-686 does not exist. Cannot update.
12:06<cahoot>what 'complaints'?
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12:06<SynrG>there are no stray symlinks
12:06<SynrG>there is no config anywhere that says there should be this initrd.img, not that i can find.
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12:08<SynrG>the only references i can find are in /boot/grub/grub.cfg.old, which is no longer relevant.
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12:09<xover>should I be installing antivirus on linux?
12:10<dr|z3d>xover: Are you intending to run Wine? Do you have a Windows partition visible?
12:10<gsimmons>Rovanion: Just go ahead and use NetworkManager, but remember that WPA networks won't be available to you.
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12:13<xover>dr|z3d, No partition only window vms, I have used wine before, but isnt that separate to the main OS?
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12:15<SynrG>the only other reason i can think of to install antivirus is if your system provides some service to other windows system, e.g. a mail or fileserver.
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12:16<SynrG>xover: there is the potential that a wine instance might pick something up and run it that an antivirus filter might otherwise have detected and eliminated, yes.
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12:17<xover>what is the fundamental difference between windows having virus and linux not?
12:18<xover>is it just a case of there are fewer virus written for linux?
12:19<cahoot>they also meet a harsher environment
12:20<xover>cahoot: who does?
12:20<cahoot>viruses
12:20<SynrG>well, brute force it is, then. grep/find through my whole system for any references to 2.6.18 :p
12:20<SynrG>and 2.6.21
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12:22<SynrG>xover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware is interesting
12:22<abrotman>SynrG: using grub/lilo ?
12:22<SynrG>abrotman: grub
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12:22<abrotman>or grub2 ?
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12:23<abrotman>there are grub2 files in /etc/ now also
12:23<SynrG>er, yes. grub2
12:23<SynrG>but ultimately brute force revealed:
12:23<SynrG>/var/lib/initramfs-tools
12:23<SynrG>a hitherto-unknown-by-me place for things to be :p
12:23<aropupu>xover: a lot harder to write viruses for linux, and the userbase is significantly smaller than with windows == more work and less profit in writing linux viruses
12:24<Rovanion>I must be doing something wrong I guess. I have now opened up my network without any encryption at all, yet knetworkmananger is unable to connect to it.
12:24<SynrG>abrotman: in this directory, 2.6.18-4-686 contains an md5sum for a now-defunct initrd
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12:24<SynrG>likewise for 2.6.21
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12:24<fred1>Rovanion, what happens when you try? Do you see it listed in a scan and get an error when you try to connect, or is it not listed?
12:25<abrotman>SynrG: were they status 'rc' or something else?
12:25<xover>SynrG: aropupu thanks
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12:26<Rovanion>fred1, My hotspot along with another one is listed, I press my one from the right click menu and it the wheel stats to turn. But nothing happends until it times out after being on 28% connected for a good while
12:26<SynrG>abrotman: 'un', all
12:26<SynrG>abrotman: given their vintage, the postrm probably just didn't bother to deregister the images
12:26<abrotman>awesome ..
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12:27<SynrG>in fact, the packages may have never registered them to begin with
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12:27<xover>do you guys use antivirus for linux, if so which one is advised?
12:27<SynrG>and the only reason they ever got picked up is through another update-initramfs -u -k all
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12:28<Rovanion>xover, I use KlamAV to keep my Windows install in check
12:28<sney`>xover: something like f-prot or clamav can be useful if you're hosting a windows share
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12:28<SynrG>xover: no. i have never done so. not for a 15 years over several systems.
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12:30<xover>SynrG: not even on a mail server to remove virus contained in emails?
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12:31<SynrG>i have never been responsible for a mail server with windows clients
12:31<SynrG>all mail servers run by me were strictly for use in 100% linux networks
12:32<SynrG>i have co-admined a server that had windows clients and the other admin put antivirus on it, but i don't remember what he used. probably clamav
12:32<abrotman>xover: we use clamav with postfix and SA to scan emails, and yes it catches some
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12:33<fred1>Rovanion, have you been able to connect to other wifi APs ?
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13:00<szymon_g>hi
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13:02<szymon_g>is it safe (for desktop) to set the same pin-priority to debian stable and backports? or is it better to seperate them?
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13:04<xover>abrotman: is SA used by the client for scanning the mail on arrival?
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13:05<abrotman>xover: no, the server runs spamassassin
13:06<abrotman>xover: i should note however that my bosses are more concerned with losing legit mail than killing spam, so we don't do anything with scored mail WRT spamassassin .. i thought we might at some point, but we haven't yet
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13:08<dr|z3d>xover: Re Wine, it's self contained, sandboxed if you like, from your main OS, but if you're using it, it can still become infected with Win viruses..
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13:08<xover>dr|z3d: thanks for clarifying that
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13:16<Rovanion>is still not getting connected to my router. Here is dmsg after trying to, off for dinner now
13:17<Rovanion>http://pastebin.com/m1812b351
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13:22<vvas>abrotman: so you run spamassassin but it's up to individual users to set up filters to take advantage of it, or what?
13:23<abrotman>vvas: most of the users don't get spam, it's really the bosses, and they'd rather not have me do anything explicitly .. so, it's their company .. they could set TB to honor SA scores, but they wouldn't
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13:23<abrotman>vvas: i should also point out that one of the bosses thinks that HTML is one of the coolest things ever
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13:28<tp43>Is there a linux program to repair avi files index in linux?
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13:29<ao2>tp43, mencoder
13:29<tp43>you can do it with mplayer, with -idx option, but that is just to play it
13:29<tp43>ao2, thanks
13:30<ao2>tp43, mencoder and mplayer share the same codebase
13:30<tp43>ao2, do you know the full command?
13:31<tp43>ao2, I guess I can figure it out
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13:31<ao2>man mencoder, but basically "mencoder -forceidx -o repaired.avi broken.avi"
13:31<tp43>man...do I ever love debian. But this compiz doesn't work so good, I was playing a game it my system crashed
13:32<tp43>its installed compiz from backports too
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13:32<tp43>but knoppix comes with compiz by default
13:32<ao2>tp43, "mencoder -forceidx -ovc copy -oac copy -o repaired.avi broken.avi" sorry
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13:32<tp43>ao2, thanks a million
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13:33<kamal>how can I change my mirror? my mirror is too slow.
13:34<abrotman>kamal: man sources.list .. debian.org/mirrors/list
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13:37<vvas>abrotman: heh
13:37<abrotman>vvas: it's not that amusing :(
13:37<metalqga>kamal: then add them to /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:39<kamal>metalqga, abrotman: sources.list.d is empty
13:39<abrotman>kamal: what about /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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13:39<metalqga>you can also try apt-spy
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13:40<kamal>abrotman: it is configured to the slow mirror.
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13:40<abrotman>so uh .. change it
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13:41<kamal>abrotman: well I need a fast mirror for that
13:41<abrotman>use apt-spy
13:41<metalqga>choose a mirror next to you and then add it to /etc/apt/sources.list
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13:42<kamal>abrotman: apt-spy command is not found
13:42<abrotman>you have ot install it
13:42<tp43>hi abrotman, glad to see you here
13:43*abrotman hides!
13:43<tp43>I don't need any help today though
13:43<kamal>metalqga: to choose I have to know them
13:43<tp43>so you don't need to hide
13:43<abrotman>kamal: where are you geographically ?
13:44<kamal>abrotman: india
13:44<abrotman>kamal: didn't i give oyu a source line earlier to add /
13:44<abrotman>?
13:44<abrotman>kamal: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
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13:45<kamal>abrotman: didn't get that
13:46<metalqga>!paste
13:46<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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13:47<opticon>can someone help me find guide that explains step by step proceducre on how to configure x11 for openssh server on debian?
13:48<kamal>how can I get a mirror using apt-spy?
13:48<kamal>my current mirror is ftp.iitm.ac.in
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13:49<mase_>opticon isn't there "just" a "-x" flag in the ssh command?
13:49<abrotman>kamal: try changing it to "mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in"
13:50<mase_>opticon example: "ssh root@yourmachine -X synaptic"
13:50<kamal>abrotman: thanks
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13:51<opticon>no idea what you mean by that i have openssh server installed and i can access it from another pc with putty and login with root for terminal access
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13:51<abrotman>!sshx
13:51<dpkg>You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X TCP support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>.
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13:53<opticon>ok that kind of sums up what i want to do with it
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13:56<opticon>x11 forwarding is enabled on remote server in sshd config
13:56<opticon>i have xauth installed
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13:58<krfkeith>hi
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14:01<opticon>debian5:~# synaptic -x
14:01<opticon>(synaptic:6031): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:11.0
14:01<opticon>debian5:~#
14:01<opticon>what does that mean?
14:02<TCW>opticon, the process can't connect to the X server
14:03<TCW>opticon, sure "localhost:11.0" is correct?
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14:06<TCW>mschmitt@lysithea:~$ echo $DISPLAY
14:06<TCW>:0.0
14:06<simonrvn>don't run x apps as root either
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14:11<TCW>simonrvn, depends on the app I'd say :)
14:12<TCW>but ideally the app should have other means to get root privs
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14:21<opticon>sorry was away for abit
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14:23<opticon>i dont know about display location
14:23<opticon>X11Forwarding yes
14:23<opticon>X11DisplayOffset 10
14:23<opticon>thats from sshd config on remote machine
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14:24<opticon>in putty i have x11 forwarding enabled but i dont kno what or if anything should be put in for x 11 display location
14:26<cahoot>trying to display X on a windows system?
14:26<mase_>opticon what are you trying to do?
14:27<opticon>trying to run applications over ssh ones that have gui
14:27<mase_>when using putty you can't use the X11 Forwarding; in what way should that work...
14:27<mase_>with windows?
14:27<mase_>(from windows?)
14:27<mase_>if so you need a X-Server for windows
14:28<opticon>putty is client on windows machine openssh is installed on remote machine with debian
14:28<opticon>openssh server is what i have installed
14:28<opticon>on debian
14:28<cahoot>windows can't display x apps
14:28<mase_>putty/windows can't display x-apps; you need a X-Server for windows
14:29<mase_>like XMing
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14:29<opticon>oh i thought putty client could handle everything
14:29<mase_>just text...
14:29<ravidgemole>putty can forward, that's about it.
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14:29<ravidgemole>(for x11)
14:29<mase_>if using XMing you don't even need a ssh-server
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14:30<opticon>ill have a look at xming now
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14:33<mase_>opticon and with pulseaudio you can even have sound ;)
14:33<opticon>sound doesnt matter ha
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14:36<opticon>wait does xming need to be installed on debian or windows?
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14:37<mase_>windows
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14:45<acu>I just installed i386 Squeeze daily - for a dual boot with Windows XP on a Pentium 4 - however when I boot for first time I get GRUB loading Entering rescue mode... Error: out of disk - what is the problem ? how can I solve it ?
14:46<opticon>mase it almost work
14:46<mase_>really "out of disk"?
14:46<opticon>ha
14:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 405] by debhelper
14:47<opticon>now it work wow
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14:47<mase_>opticon are you using ssh or are you connecting directly
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14:48<opticon>i installed xming configured a few settings then opened putty connected to debian via ssh then i logged in typed synaptic it launched gui app for it
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14:50<mase_>congrats, btw: x via ssh is quite slow, but if it's not important...
14:50<opticon>well its on lan
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14:51<mase_>opticon but i can watch DVD that way ;)
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14:52<opticon>that worked out good now to figure out how to create shortcut for apps to run remotely with click of mouse
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14:55<opticon>brb
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14:56<opticon>mase this is what i have been looking for i have came here many times for help only to run around in circles or the configurations been over my head
14:56<opticon>thanks
14:57<Nabilou>Hello
14:57<evilmight>hello, I have a problem with Keyboard Layout
14:57<evilmight>i use debian lenny
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14:58<evilmight>On gnome, I change layout by control panel
14:58<Nabilou>did anyone use FAI?
14:58<evilmight>but, I'm using fluxbox, and I have this problem
14:59<icebrain>!tell Nabilou about anyone
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14:59<jim74>help register
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15:01<evilmight>anybody know help me?
15:02<icebrain>evilmight: you want to change the keyboard layout in fluxbox? it's in Fluxbox wiki: http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Switch_Keyboard_layout
15:02<Nabilou>Have I to use a specific kernel to boot my client with FAI ?
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15:04<evilmight>icebrown: but if I want install another system/graphical environment the problem remains
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15:05<evilmight>I want load an "universal" keyboard layout
15:06<evilmight>and no set it whenever
15:07<icebrain>evilmight: no, because in those instruction you change the layout in Xorg itself, so it's kept unless the DE changes it
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15:09<evilmight>icebrain: ah ok, thanks! :)
15:09<icebrain>but you can use "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to change it
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15:09<icebrain>it's the Debian way, afaik, and gives you a menu to choose the layout
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15:11<valdyn>dpkg-reconfigure xorg does nothing
15:11<valdyn>unless you are using a release older than lenny
15:11<valdyn>*xserver-xorg*
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15:21<Wilthril>hi all
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15:25<NeO>lol
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15:26<Wilthril>i have a big problem with ssh, from LAN it works but from WAN it doesn't (and I triple-checked my router and port forwarding of port 22 is OK), there is the port forwarding test http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9741/portforwarding.jpg and what i have when i log in http://pastebin.com/d1d7d9f65 someone can help me?
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15:32<zahari>hey
15:32<zahari>is this channel for debian/ubuntu help
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15:32<TCW>zahari, not ubuntu, not in any way ubuntu
15:33<ml|>zahari: debian only
15:33<zahari>ahaha
15:33<zahari>ok let it be debian then
15:33<zahari>i just have a simple question
15:33<Wilthril>i guess that's why this channel's name is... #debian :D
15:33<zahari>can i ask
15:33<abrotman>zahari: go to #ubuntu for support
15:33<abrotman>on irc.freenode.net
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15:34<zahari>... it is linux anyway what is this dicrimination
15:34<zahari>my question is not distribution concerned
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15:35<zahari>here is the thing.. we have a couple of computers in a lab network and we use norton ghost to reimage them.. what I wanted to implement is just using the udp-sender command to multicast images to a lot of computers at the sam time...
15:35<zahari>what i was wondering is
15:35<zahari>lets say the sender starts multicasting
15:35<abrotman>zahari: go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net .. if they cannot help, try ##linux
15:36<zahari>and one machine starts receiving and the other one stars receiving after 5 minutes lets say
15:36<zahari>will that be a problem ...
15:36<zahari>so you dont want to help me
15:36<zahari>...
15:36<abrotman>you're not installing Debian
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15:37<zahari>so this channel is not for linux questions it is strictly for debian ?!?
15:37<zahari>what if I was using debian
15:37<abrotman>you're not, please don't pretend
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15:37<zahari>i dont pretend
15:38<zahari>at all
15:38<abrotman>zahari: go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net .. if they cannot help, try ##linux
15:38<zahari>this is not cool..
15:38<zahari>whatever
15:38<zahari>thank you
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15:40<Miova>hello!
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15:46<Craighton>either I'm not looking in the right place or I'm not look hard enough but I am looking for the server edition of Debian. where do I go to download the server edition?
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15:48<mase_>there is only one "edition"
15:48<ml|>afaik there is no server edition, but you can setup debian to do what you want
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15:49<ml|>and for server use you would use stable
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16:56<salman>greetings
16:56<salman>I just updated my squeeze system 2 days but trying another update today wants to download more than 600MN of files! is this possible? I thought debian only download changes in files and thus needs smaller downloads
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17:01<mase_>600MB in 2 days? not normal...
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17:04<abrotman>!inout
17:04<dpkg>To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/
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17:08<salman>I thinks my squeeze is not downloading the difference in files, but rathere downloading the actual files, fully. Thinking of this, I do not remember seeing the .diff or whatever extension I see in my other systems when doing an apt-get update
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17:10<abrotman>!tell salman about pdiff
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17:53<doobiean>i just tried compize on my new gnome desktop, and my metacity boarder went away, what is up with that?
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17:55<doobiean>is there any work around for that - i noticed that emerald is not supported anymore.
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18:00<mfrisch>abrotman hey what's up it's mfrisch....long time. They releasing a new version soon?
18:01<abrotman>!wwsr
18:01<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>
18:01<mfrisch>abrotman so why are there packages missing in lenny....
18:01<abrotman>whihc packages?
18:02<mfrisch>abrotman well kde is different...no xmms only xmms2 little stuff like that.
18:02<abrotman>yeah .. xmms is dead upstream .. it's gone .. try audacious
18:03<mfrisch>streamtuner is trying to use it for streams thats all
18:04<mfrisch>is there a ls*** command to get your video chipset?
18:04<babilen>'lspci -nn' ?
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18:06<mfrisch>abrotman take it easy !!!PEACE!
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18:21<adis_>generally speeking expantion ports are supported from debian/linux?? icannot tetsed because i have no hardware :)
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18:23<abrotman>adis_: which expansion ports?
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18:24<adis_>i have an hp pavillion dv5 1020ev (generally speaking with friendly hardware). at the manual the port is reported as "expantion port 3"
18:25<mase_>what port?
18:25<adis_>http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2407/2109549869_408aced59c.jpg
18:26<babilen>probably pcmci/pc card
18:26<adis_>one picture 1000 words!
18:26<babilen>or not :-D
18:26<mase_>isn't that for docking station?
18:26<adis_>yes it is for pcmcia
18:26<adis_>excactlly
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18:27<mase_>? but it is not a pcmcia slot.
18:27<babilen>that is *not* a pcmcia/pc card slot :-)
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18:28<adis_>yes but it can used with an appropriate connector
18:28<babilen>adis_: Do you know what this "Expansion port 3" is used for? Docking Station?
18:28<mase_>so there is a pcmcia slot in the docking station?
18:28<babilen>or some connector-thingie
18:29<adis_>mm i offer you the capability to expand your hardware via docking or sohing else
18:29<adis_>??
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18:30<adis_>babilen : is that work only with docking station??
18:31<babilen>I just have used thinkpad docking stations and they work without a problem. No idea about hp ones ... You might want to google that :-D
18:31<babilen>adis_: I have no idea - What is "that" ?
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18:32<mase_>the support of linux mostly depend on what pcmcia-card you plug into the docking station;
18:32<adis_>expantion port 3 + that
18:32<adis_>expantion port 3 + that
18:32<adis_>expantion port 3 = that
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18:33<mase_>"we sell computer for $1000, now with 'expansion port 3'!!!" :D
18:33<babilen>I guess that the docking station is well supported (if explicit support is even needed) - Support for different PC Cards/PCMCIA cards depend on the specific card ..
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18:33<dipponaught>would using "Pin: release l=Debian" in my ubuntu distro catch all debian repos? Or should I use "o=Debian
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18:34<adis_>dipponaughght : man apt.preferencies
18:35<dipponaught>adis_: am there
18:36<dipponaught>it just mentions "label of the packages" versus "originator" but doesnt say anymore
18:36<adis_>you muset priorities
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18:36<adis_>i prefer the label pin if it is needed
18:37<dipponaught>does debian use "Debian" as the label for its packages?
18:37<adis_>yes
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18:37<adis_>but im not sure if this is for contrib and nonfree
18:38<dipponaught>and do they get stripped when ported to other debian-based distros such as ubuntu (usually)?
18:38<adis_>but sure for main
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18:38<babilen>dipponaught: Word of caution: Mixing Debian and Ubuntu *will* void your warranty and lead to headaches. You will lose support in either #debian and #ubuntu too
18:38<dipponaught>lol what warranty ;)
18:38<adis_>i have never tried to mix debian with ubuntu it is very different
18:39<dipponaught>i need the mipsel cross-toolchain from emdebian so i have no alternative
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18:39<adis_>so both distro have different packages . i can imagine what package are you missing in ubuntu?
18:40<babilen>dipponaught: Why not download the package and install it by hand? Sounds like a *much* better solution than pinning or mixing Ubuntu and Debian.
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18:40<dipponaught>apt-cross ...
18:40<Faz>Ive got a quesiton for you guys:) I am attempting to get the deluge plugin of flexget working. It requires python2.6 so i have set up a apt-pinning thing and installed python2.5 from sid (running squeeze as base install). But now it is asking for the python-twisted libraries for python2.6. Aptitude doesn't seem to be able to find such a package though. Any ideas?
18:40<babilen>dipponaught: yes?
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18:40<adis_>make make install make clean checkinstall
18:40<sam_>I want to change from static to DHCP - I am in squeeze - and nothing seem to have such option - I tried network in KDE or GNOME - can anyone help me out
18:41<dipponaught>babilen: well only apt-cross wants a crap load of packages and pinning seems easier
18:41<babilen>Faz: Which debian release do you use?
18:41<adis_>sam if you like coomand line im here
18:41<Faz>squeeze?
18:42<babilen>dipponaught: ok - good luck then. And yes it is "o=Debian" and "l=Debian"
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18:42<babilen>Faz: Ok, I would suggest to run deluge in a virtualenv and install twisted + deluge in there
18:42<adis_>dipponaught: for a package like that you can do
18:42<dipponaught>babilen: thanks.
18:43<adis_>it isnt critical
18:43<sam_>adis command will do it too - I need to do it know and GUIs frustrate me - nothing works
18:43<Faz>babilen: deluge doesnt need it, just flexget. I have a manual build of flexget which apparently set up an virtualenv but how do i get debian to install the requied packages into it?
18:43<sam_>so I need to change from static IP to DHCP
18:44<babilen>Faz: You can just use pip to install the packages in the virtualenv
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18:45<TCW>sam_, /etc/network/interfaces man interfaces
18:45<adis_>sam: i ll make your life easy just give me some time
18:45<TCW>sam_, if you do want to go the command line interface way
18:46<babilen>Faz: Or install the packages with 'python2.6 setup.py --user' into your HOME directory (see PEP 370)
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18:47<adis_>sam_ : http://pastebin.ca/1755354
18:47<babilen>Faz: err: 'python setup.py install --user'
18:48<Faz>babilen: um, so download the source for each required package and install it that way? right now everything is just done through aptitude
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18:48<adis_>sam_ : copy paste the fife (except the first 5 rows) to /etc/network/interfaces
18:48<adis_>sam_ : copy paste the (except the first 5 rows) to /etc/network/interfaces
18:49<adis_>sam_ : copy paste the (except the first 6 rows) to /etc/network/interfaces
18:49<abrotman>just copy it all
18:51<adis_>sam_ : http://pastebin.ca/1755359 here you can see how to handle almost every interface (it s short)
18:51<babilen>Faz: You might be able to install deluge using pip (or easy_install) - that will pull in all the dependencies and won't mess with your python install
18:51<Faz>babilen: i guess i should explain better? I have deluge and it is running fine. I have flexget and python2.6 running in my squeeze install
18:51<abrotman>sam_: man interfaces .. should explain it to you
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18:52<Faz>babilen: my only problem is that i cannot seem to get python-twisted installed through apt for python2.6
18:52<babilen>Faz: I don't use deluge and can't really help you with it's installation. *I* just think that it is easier *and* safer to install these *yet* unsupported packages within a virtualenv using the typical Python methods to do so
18:53<babilen>Faz: Just install twisted in the virtualenv or into your private site-packages directory then ...
18:54<babilen>Faz: python2.6 just arrived in unstable - Not all packages are ready yet.
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18:54<adis_>faz: why dont you try ubuntu backports??
18:55<abrotman>adis_: this is #debian
18:55<Faz>adis_: isnt mixing debian and ubuntu bad?
18:55<abrotman>yes, very bad
18:55<sam_>abrotman and adis_ and TOW I have gotten to /etc/network/interfaces - I just want to enable DHCP (now I have a static IP) what do I need to change
18:55<adis_>i speek for ubuntu backports
18:55<abrotman>adis_: this is NOT #ubuntu
18:55<adis_>ok sorry
18:56<dipponaught>ok, so running apt-cache policy shows any release info for the debian repos added in sources.list.d how do i add or retreive them?
18:56<abrotman>sam_: there is probably a line like 'iface eth0 inet static" .. right ?
18:56<adis_>sam_: did you read the second link i gave you
18:56<adis_>??
18:56<Faz>babilen: alright thanks for the help, ill see what i can do along those lines
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18:56<adis_>ifdown eth0
18:57<adis_>ifup eth0=wd
18:57<abrotman>adis_: stop already
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18:57<RocketLauncher2>I'm running Debian 4.0 on an iMac G3 and I tried adding lenny sources just for the hell of it.. http://gtv.pastebin.com/d7778591d
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18:57<abrotman>!tell RocketLauncher2 about etch->lenny
18:57<abrotman>!tell RocketLauncher2 about mmap
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18:58<abrotman>RocketLauncher2: and using the dmm lenny stuff on etch probably won't work so well
18:58<RocketLauncher2>i figured that
18:58<babilen>Faz: If you have problems let me know. Twisted is available from the cheeseshop .. (http://pypi.python.org/pypi)
18:58<abrotman>RocketLauncher2: either go all the way to lenny or not
18:58<RocketLauncher2>i'll try that.
18:58<sam_>abrotman: yes ist iface eth0 inet static - bellow I have address netmask netwok broadcast gateway - I just want to change it to dhcp
18:59<abrotman>sam_: okay, so normally you would remove the indented lines below that, and change 'static' to 'dhcp'
18:59<adis_> abrotman: ???
18:59<abrotman>!!!
18:59<dpkg>I'm not your csh prompt!
18:59<icebrain>!!!!
18:59<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
19:00<dipponaught>lol
19:01<dipponaught>so where does `apt-cache policy` get the info from?
19:02<sam_>abrotman: I just did it - hopefully it works - thanks adis_too and other
19:02<sam_>s
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19:02<Faz>dipponaught: /etc/apt/preferences iirc
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19:03<RocketLauncher2>abrotman, http://gtv.pastebin.com/d5a7f87bf
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19:03<abrotman>RocketLauncher2: the bot told you two things
19:03<RocketLauncher2>yeah he told me to do that
19:03<abrotman>he also told you about the mmap
19:03<dipponaught>Faz: there is no preferences file yet apt-cache policy shows stuff
19:03<RocketLauncher2>oh
19:04<RocketLauncher2>oops didnt read that one, my abd
19:04<adis_>anyone with hp working dock station??
19:05<abrotman>adis_: google is probably better .. or see linux-laptop.net
19:05<adis_>ok
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19:06<RocketLauncher2>abrotman, is lenny easy to install? It's been a while..
19:06<abrotman>i know lots of people that have HP laptops, no one i know of has that PC Expansion dock thingie
19:06<abrotman>RocketLauncher2: sure .. should be easier than etch
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19:06<RocketLauncher2>Alright I'll give it a try
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19:17<rmann>Needs help w/ mbr. Formatted linux partition in windows, grub gone, can't boot.
19:18<dr|z3d>rmann: Try SuperGrub
19:18<babilen>!tell rmann -about fixmbr
19:19<rmann>Tried fixmbr
19:19<babilen>and?
19:19<rmann>Thru rec. Console
19:19<rmann>Did nada
19:19<babilen>you adjusted the device to match your actual setup?
19:20<opticon>babilen xming works for running gui apps through ssh
19:20<rmann>Sd if u lv blank will use default
19:20<rmann>Didn't type anything after it
19:20<opticon>i think i tried them all vnc tightvnc nx xserv
19:20<babilen>opticon: great - I am missing the context though :-)
19:20<babilen>opticon: ahhh ...
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19:21<opticon>few days or week ago was here asking about remote administration
19:21<babilen>opticon: Yes - I remember that now. And VNC did not work out?
19:22<opticon>no not with remote machine being headless
19:22<babilen>rmann: Install it on the correct device (/dev/sda or /dev/hda or whatever is the correct device for your system)
19:22<opticon>with xming install configure some options in putty for xforwarding then login type name of app gadmin-samba and away we go
19:23<rmann>I'm using windows commands
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19:24<opticon>dont even really need gnome or kde
19:24<babilen>rmann: You use windows commands to install GRUB?
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19:25<babilen>opticon: If that is all you need - even better :-)
19:25<danili>hi i have a debian shell and i have chmod a file 777 and i still get's permission denied
19:25<rmann>No
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19:25<rmann>I'm used windows xp cd
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19:25<rmann>It was a dual boot system
19:25<danili>when i try to write to it
19:25<opticon>in my case it is using debian as file and webserver
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19:26<babilen>rmann: You could follow the 'fixmbr' instruction from the Windows recovery console? Impressive :-D
19:26<rmann>I did
19:26<rmann>Nothing happened
19:27<rmann>There wasn't much
19:27<rmann>:)
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19:28<babilen>rmann: Boot your Debian install CD or a Live Cd (grml, knoppix, ...) and follow the fixmbr intructions
19:28<opticon>http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/#head-143
19:28<opticon>have look babilen
19:29<rmann>Ok 1 sec
19:29<rmann>I'm new to linux so I'm not sure of all proper cmds to use
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19:31<rmann>I went into rescue mode
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19:33<rmann>Is that where I go?
19:34<babilen>!fixmbr
19:34<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
19:34<babilen>rmann: just ALT-F2
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19:35<abrotman>dcraig FIX YOUR CLIENT
19:35<dipponaught>BTW ftp.us.debian.org is giving application/octet-stream as the mime-type for dists/unstable/Release and is messing stuff up
19:35<abrotman>dipponaught: with a browser or aptitude ?>
19:36<rmann>Ok 1 sec rebooting now
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19:36<dipponaught>well i cant tell what aptitude sees (it wont say) but wget sees it. and its diff from all other mirrors.
19:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 384] by debhelper
19:37<rmann>Alt f2 doesn't do anything
19:38<danili>i have a tcl script to a eggdrop and it say: if {[file exists irc.addic]} {..... in the same folder as that script there is a file named irc.addic and that file have the chmod 777 but the script still cant write to the file... do i need to type the whole path or can anyone tell me where the script is looking for the irc.addic file? and no this is not a tcl question but a debian question
19:38<doobiean>how about ctrl alt F2 - should get you to a console anyway
19:39<rmann>Nothing
19:39<rmann>Just sits at debian installer boot menu
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19:41<doobiean>rmann, maybe it needs to be further along than the boot menu before you hit alt F2
19:42<babilen>rmann: boot the installer ;-)
19:43<rmann>Ok at #
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19:44<rmann>I don't have an ext2 filesystem anymore
19:44<rmann>I formatted it to ntfs in windows
19:45<babilen>you formatted the drive with your debian installation?
19:46<rmann>No
19:46<rmann>I had dual boot
19:46<rmann>Winxp 1st
19:46<rmann>Debian 2nd
19:46<rmann>Grub installed its menu
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19:47<rmann>While I was in windows I formatted debian partition w/ a prog
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19:47<rmann>To ntfs
19:47<rmann>Then I rebooted and voila
19:47<rmann>Error
19:48<babilen>let me rephrase: "You formatted the drive on which Debian was installed" ?
19:48<rmann>Yes
19:48<babilen>And you wonder why you can't boot Debian anymore?
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19:48<rmann>No
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19:48<rmann>I don't care about debian right now
19:49<rmann>I wanted to delete it
19:49<rmann>I care about booting into windows again
19:49<babilen>ask in #windows then
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19:50<rmann>Ok thanks
19:50<babilen>rmann: (on irc.freenode.org)
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19:50<rmann>Thanks
19:51<dipponaught>whats the proper use of preferences.d?
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19:51<DarkPurpose>rmann: what are you trying to do?
19:51<dipponaught>*.conf or what? apt-cache policy isnt recognizing it unless its in /etc/apt/preferences
19:51<dipponaught>just try to use preferences
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19:52<rmann>I'm just trying to fix my mbr so I can get back into windows
19:52<rmann>To b/u files b4 doing a complete format and starting over
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19:53<dipponaught>rmann: use windows fdisk stuff for that
19:53<DarkPurpose>Couldn't you have mounted the windows partition from linux and backed them up from there?
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19:53<rmann>I don't have linux anymore
19:53<rmann>Fdisk?
19:53<DarkPurpose>that
19:53<rmann>that's old ain't it
19:53<DarkPurpose>'s what i
19:53<DarkPurpose>m saying
19:54<babilen>--> #windows @ irc.freenode.org
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19:55<DarkPurpose>should have kept debian until his windows was backed up, esp. if he couldn't boot the windoze
19:56<babilen>Yes - It's just that this is not the correct channel for windows support. Would have helped if he asked in here (or #windows) before deleting the Debian installation. I still don't understand why Windows is not booting with the old grub installation
19:57<babilen>Anyway - Not my concern :-D
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19:57<rmann>That's y I didn't think id have a prob deleting debian partition
19:57<rmann>Though bootloader would stay untouched
19:58<rmann>&thought
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19:58<dipponaught>btw to anyone who cares, my problems were fix by: (1) getting the debian gpg key so the Release file would be stored (2) putting the preferences in /etc/apt/preferences instead of /etc/apt/preferences.d (3) "release o=Debian"
19:58<DarkPurpose>always delete a linux partition last
19:58<dioz>how can i setup ipv6 on debian without sit
19:58<DarkPurpose>and get a copy of ultimate boot disk
19:58<rmann>I have a copy
19:59<DarkPurpose>great
19:59<DarkPurpose>there are mbr tools on that disk; try them
19:59<rmann>But when I get to rec. Console fixmbr does nothing to help
19:59<edhunter>babilen: doesnt grub in mbr need the grub files in /boot to boot things?
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20:01<dioz>how can i setup a ipv6 in ipv4 tunnel without sit support ?
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20:02<DarkPurpose>rmann: use ultimate boot disk to install another boot manager
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20:03<rmann>K lemme try real quick
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20:04<abrotman>there is a supergrub CD that is pretty useful
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20:05<babilen>abrotman: to install the windows bootloader?
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20:05<DarkPurpose>in fact, ultimate boot CD will allow you to boot first hard disk or second
20:06<abrotman>babilen: to boot windows and fixmbr ?
20:06<DarkPurpose>rmann: did you read that?
20:06<rmann>Yes
20:06<rmann>I might need to go to other pc to get that supergrub burned to cd
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20:07<babilen>abrotman: Ah - Windows has a tool named 'fixmbr' ?
20:07<opticon>also fixboot
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20:07<abrotman>the windows instlal CD definitely does
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20:08<rmann>I tried both of those from win cd
20:08<DarkPurpose>rmann: i thought you just wanted to boot win to back up files: ultimatebootcd does that
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20:08<rmann>I actually only have a vista ultimate disk
20:08<abrotman>but if he wants to fix windows .. he shuld probably ask the windows people
20:08<DarkPurpose>oh kay
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20:08<babilen>I know *nothing* about windows (anymore) and I guess I'll let the windows professionals provide support :-)
20:08<DarkPurpose>go to http://www.ultimatebootcd.com and download
20:08<drbanzai>How can I install Debian on an old Thinkpad 701 with 16mb ram, no floppy and no cdrom?
20:09<rmann>Ok one min
20:09<babilen>--> #windows @ irc.freenode.org (rmann: you haven't even asked in there)
20:09<opticon>if its vista boot from win cd when menu loads up select option that will fix startup issues
20:09<babilen>drbanzai: PXE boot?
20:10<abrotman>!rube goldberg install
20:10<dpkg>"Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke."
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20:11<opticon>with debian later on is the linux kernal going to be replaced with hurd kernal or will it be maintained seperately
20:11<rmann>Sorry babilen. Mistyped server
20:12<rmann>In windows now
20:12<abrotman>opticon: is that a question?
20:12<opticon>ya
20:12<drbanzai>It DOES have a network card
20:12<DarkPurpose>rmann: good job
20:12<babilen>rmann: you are in #windows - why don't you ask there?
20:12<abrotman>opticon: not likely
20:12<abrotman>drbanzai: do you know if it can PXE boot ?
20:13<DarkPurpose>babilen: he's fixed it now
20:13<abrotman>drbanzai: alternately .. you can get an adapter for the HDD and put it in a real machine, do the install and put it back in the laptop
20:13<rmann>Yea got it now. Thanks for all the help regardless
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20:13<DarkPurpose>sure
20:13<drbanzai>Not without a boot floppy...which I could make if I had some decent disks
20:13<abrotman>$1 at staples i think
20:13<drbanzai>abrotman, That's what I've been trying to do...I've been using unetbootin
20:13<opticon>not likely to be replaced or not likely to be maintained seperately?
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20:13<abrotman>opticon: i doubt it would be replaced
20:14<babilen>rmann: Just curious: Why did you decide to delete Debian?
20:14<opticon>ahh
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20:15<DarkPurpose>he said he's wiping the drive and reinstalling
20:15<rmann>I needed the 80gb to backup windows side
20:15<rmann>Then I was gonna redo windows
20:15<rmann>Slide everything back
20:15<rmann>Then redo linux
20:16<babilen>ah - ok ... good luck with that!
20:16<rmann>Cuz I like organization and everything was working strange
20:16<rmann>So I wanted to start from scratch
20:16<rmann>Hehe
20:17<DarkPurpose>rmann: lessons learned- 1.backup everything before deleting anything; 2. dl http://www.ultimatebootcd.com for future reference; 3.do ask windoze q's in windoze channel
20:17<opticon>dual boots can be a pain
20:18<DarkPurpose>i've had as many as 12 os'es booting on this pc before
20:18<DarkPurpose>only 3 right now
20:18<opticon>geez
20:18<DarkPurpose>not hard once you know what you are doing
20:19<DarkPurpose>never windows in that mix, however
20:19<drbanzai>abrotman, Is that not how I should be doing it?
20:19<abrotman>what?
20:19<abrotman>no idea, never used unetbootin
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20:20<Vampires>anyone wanna battle me on ZD, come to #hellsing
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20:20<babilen>drbanzai: that computer can boot from USB?
20:20<opticon>id rather have installs spread out on different drives
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20:25<drbanzai>babilen, No, it has no usb
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20:26<drbanzai>abrotman, Ok, so when I have the drive mounted in my main system, how do make it into a bootable install medium?
20:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 376] by debhelper
20:27<abrotman>drbanzai: you would run the install on it, like a normal install ?
20:28<drbanzai>abrotman, So, make a cd, and boot from it, and then have it install to the laptop's hard drive?
20:28<abrotman>drbanzai: do you have the laptop HDD adapter that you'll need ?
20:28<abrotman>(or another laptop?)
20:28<drbanzai>abrotman, Yes
20:28<babilen>drbanzai: What do you want to use unetbootin for then? But just follow that discussion ...
20:28<drbanzai>abrotman, I have a usb to ide adapter
20:29<drbanzai>abrotman, and my main system runs Ubuntu
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20:31<edbian>I'm setting up a pxe server. Do I need some special kernel for my clients to boot? Can I just use an Ubuntu live CD
20:34<ansgar>edbian: If you intend to boot Ubuntu, please ask in #ubuntu on freenode.
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20:36<abrotman>oh bleh
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20:39<opticon>edbian you make exim4 work like you wanted?
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20:43<edbian>opticon: I switched to postfix
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21:10<bugjar>don't suppose i noticed till i had more than one system doing syslogging on one machine, but the box that does syslog does all its reports as "localhost" -- syslog setting? or DNS?
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21:12<cmyers>Hey all - I am having a really weird problem. I am unable to watch Hulu videos on my debian Squeeze systems. The site loads fine, but after it says "loading video..." it says "sorry, we are unable to steram this video, please check your internet connection and try again". I suspect it is a networking config problem because it happens to all hulu videos but they work fine on a windows VM running on the exact same machine.
21:12<cmyers>youtube videos and all other internet traffic seems to work fine.
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21:14<cmyers>also, it happens on both my laptop and my desktop (one is connected via a corporate lan, the other is via wireless lan on a different subnet), but they are both running squeeze.
21:14<cmyers>coworkers running different versions/distros report no problems.
21:14<TCW>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565685 <- grub fails to boot (complaining about sparse file support), does one know if it is reiser-fs specific?
21:15<streuner_>its *ALL* reiser-FS specific :-P
21:16<streuner_>Why the hell you are using Reiser-FS at all?
21:16<TCW>cmyers, link?
21:16<abrotman>cmyers: which flash are you using ?
21:16<TCW>streuner_, even on an english channel you always get things WRONG!
21:17<cmyers>TCW: you can just go to hulu and try to watch any video. http://www.hulu.com/watch/120037/the-colbert-report-mon-jan-11-2010 is an example
21:17<streuner_>TCW: default in Debian is ext3, but i just use jfs :-)
21:17<cmyers>cmyers@cmyers:7 (18:17:26)] dpkg -l | grep -i flash
21:17<cmyers>ii flashplugin-nonfree 1:2.8 Adobe Flash Player - browser plugin
21:17<TCW>streuner_, I absolutely don't mind what you use!
21:18<streuner_>ok, "i dont care" good :-)
21:18<TCW>streuner_, and guess what? I use ext3!
21:18<streuner_>hm
21:18<cmyers>I don't think it is a problem with flash per say because it appears the flash widget works fine to brows videos and attempt to load them. If the flash widget were doing something weird like trying to use ipv6, or whatever, that might explain it
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21:18<cmyers>I already did a bunch of mucking around trying to disable ipv6 suspecting that was the problem
21:18<TCW>streuner_, I just wanted to know if anyone has knowledge if this bug hits non-reiser-fs systems as well
21:19<TCW>cmyers, oops... hulu.com is for us-folks only
21:20<streuner_>TCW: there is nothing in the bugreport itself?
21:20<TCW>streuner_, just read the damn bugreport?!
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21:20<streuner_>hehe
21:20<cmyers>right now, on my desktop, the interface has no zeroconf ipv6 address because I manually disabled it using 'sudo ip -f inet6 addr flush eth0'
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21:21<cmyers>TCW: oh yeh, that is true =(
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21:21<cmyers>you can get around that using a proxy but I wouldn't expect folks to do that just to help me debug this problem =/
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21:22<cmyers>maybe I should try the proxy directions to see if that changes anything
21:22<TCW>cmyers, give me a working / free / good proxy and I'll test it :)
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21:24<streuner_>TCW. well, its sid prollly, but i didnt start the last upgrade on my desktop system not....
21:25<cmyers>bah, looks like they blocked most of the free proxies and made it so proxying alone doesn't do it, you need to actually VPN or something. Maybe I shouldn't support hulu if they are going to do lame things like IP-based censorship and crap
21:25<streuner_>TCW: How can i find out, what kind of FS i use on the desktop?
21:25<cmyers>I cam probably just go torrent the shows I want to watch
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21:25<TCW>streuner_, you're kidding me, right?
21:25<streuner_>no
21:26<streuner_>iam serious
21:26<streuner_>its JFS or XFS, i dont know
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21:26<streuner_>/dev/hdb3 on / type jfs (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro)
21:27<streuner_>ah
21:27<TCW>streuner_, you use GNU/Linux / Debian since how many years? At least 5 I suppose? And you say you have no idea how to check what FS you are using?
21:27<streuner_>i told you :-)
21:27<streuner_>its JFS :-)
21:27<TCW>*sigh*
21:28<streuner_>let me reboot that maschine...
21:28<streuner_>apis:~# Connection to apis closed by remote host.
21:28<streuner_>Connection to apis closed.
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21:31<streuner_>TCW: works like a charm...
21:31<TCW>streuner_, you use grub2 on sid?
21:31<streuner_>TCW: sure
21:32<TCW>somewhat hard to believe...
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21:34<streuner_>TCW: http://paste.debian.net/56977/
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21:37<ICETEA>can I ask somethin'?
21:37<streuner_>no
21:37<edhunter>ICETEA: sure. just dont ask to ask ;)
21:37<streuner_>!ask
21:37<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:39<ICETEA>I'm using backtrack 4 final.. did someone here using this one? i just wanna ask that question.
21:39<abrotman>ICETEA: try #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net
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21:40<ICETEA>tq abrotman
21:40<edhunter>ICETEA: try #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
21:41<babilen>they moved?
21:41<sney>maybe they have another channel for all the noobs
21:41<edhunter>babilen: so it seems. #remote-exploit still has users but their topic states that they are in #backtrack-linux ..
21:41<ICETEA>keep your mouth sney
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21:42<sney>I was a total newb. I couldn't even hack my way out of a wet paper bag. But then I discovered BackTrack! And within 4 hours of booting this livecd, I found myself hacking with the best. Thanks, backtrack.
21:42<sney>darn he left
21:43<edhunter>hehe
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21:49<paranoidphreak>is there a seperate irc channel for unstable debian?
21:49<cmyers>paranoidphreak: afaik this is it. Just say which version you are using when you ask a question.
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21:52<edhunter>paranoidphreak: from what i understand there is not much support given to sid users but i guess asking wont hurt you
21:53<paranoidphreak>cmyers: i'm using unstable version of debian and when i try to play some video files, i could hear background sound/music but no audio when they are talking. i was able to hear when they were talking in the video about 6 months back in the same video
21:54<cmyers>TCW, streuner_ : FYI, I think I figured out the problem. 64-bit flashplayer FAIL =( http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=689165
21:54<bremner>paranoidphreak: did you consult the debian bug tracking system for the particular application you are having trouble with?
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21:54<cmyers>paranoidphreak: also, have you checked your mixer levels?
21:54<paranoidphreak>bremner: no, i haven't looked into it
21:55<bremner>that should be your first step, when running unstable
21:55<cmyers>if you hear some sounds, but not others, perhaps the treble/bass levels are out of whack
21:55<cmyers>bremner: I agree it is an early step, but not before some general sanity checking too - mixer levels, try several different files and make sure the video isn't corrupt, etc.
21:56<paranoidphreak>cmyers: oh, i'll look into it but most of the other videos, i have no problem
21:56<cmyers>what app are you using to play the video?
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21:57<paranoidphreak>cmyers: tried vlc and Movie Player but still the same issue
21:57<graphit3>lenny, eh?
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21:58<cmyers>paranoidphreak: and to clarify - you hear some sound from the video, but not all sound? is it possible the video file has sound broken into multiple tracks?
22:00<paranoidphreak>cmyers: i was able to hear full audio about 6 months back
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22:00<cmyers>paranoidphreak: right...but perhaps you changed your app settings, or they got changed due to an upgrade or something, and now not all tracks are playing by default.
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22:02<paranoidphreak>cmyers: oh, i'll do some tweaking/playing around with the mixer to see if that solves the problem
22:02<paranoidphreak>bremner: i'll keep that in mind
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22:14<paranoidphreak>cmyers: i haven't been able to solve it yet............ perhaps some other time, thanks anyways for your help
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22:17<kareem>kareem here again from last night, i ended up just installing mepis then changing to debian repos
22:17<kareem>can't win them all i guess
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22:25<edhunter>TCW: regarding the bug report you pasted. no problems here with latest grub and ext4
22:25<yoh>uff -- since opensuse chat is useless -- could anyone give me a hint how on my Debian system I could setup chroot with opensuse?
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22:26<yoh>is there any analog to debootstrap in that world?
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22:26<drbanzai>Ok, I found a couple of floppy disks that work...but I haven't had any luck getting a debian to install due the 16mb of ram...any suggestions?
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22:29<abrotman>yoh: i think they have kickstart
22:33<yoh>abrotman: finally someone gives some sane input! THANKS! will check it out (although afaik kickstart is similar to FAI in debian, ie all that netboot bla bla ;-))
22:34<abrotman>yoh: oh, crap, you're right ..
22:34<abrotman>yoh: rpmstrap ?
22:35<yoh>abrotman: rpmstrap... hm... last version only in etch
22:35<abrotman>yoh: well, on suse NFC
22:36<gsimmons>yoh: I think you want "mach".
22:37<yoh>gsimmons: ha -- I guess I am diverging! THANKS ;)
22:38<yoh>description though does not talk about latest releases but...
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22:41<yoh>followed up on #534902 so we get something newer for mach
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22:42<kamal>what is the difference between iceweasel and firefox? I can't find firefox in aptitude search.
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22:42<Kvant>iceweasel is basically firefox with a different name
22:42<yoh>kamal: iceweasel = firefox without trademarks from mozilla
22:43<yoh>kamal: just install iceweasel and be happy ;-)
22:43<kamal>well the description said its lightweight, so I asked.
22:43<free-ki>hi, i've a problem
22:43<free-ki>anyone talks in spanish??
22:44<free-ki>alguien habla español?
22:44<edhunter>!es
22:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:44<dvs>!es
22:44<dvs>damn
22:44<free-ki>!es
22:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:44<free-ki>??
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22:45<free-ki>yes, but in debian-es nobody talks
22:46<free-ki>well, i'll try to explain my problem...
22:47<free-ki>the applet to the brightness doesn't work... i can't configure the brightness of my laptoop
22:48<free-ki>please, somebody can help me?
22:48<abrotman>free-ki: did you try the buttons ?
22:48<abrotman>like on mine it's Fn-Home/End
22:49<edhunter>free-ki: which applet are you talking about?
22:49<free-ki>the dead keys never works, but I use to use the applet
22:49<free-ki>the applet of gnome-power-manager
22:50<free-ki>"miniaplicacion de brillo" i don't know how's the name in english
22:50<edhunter>okay dont know then. i use kde4
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22:50<free-ki>I think, "brightness applet"
22:50<free-ki>uuff
22:50<free-ki>anyone use gnome?
22:51<kamal>after installing gnome-core, how can I configure my system for gdm?
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22:52<yoh>gsimmons: funy enough -- mach doc talks about opensuse but I see no files for it under dist.d -- have you ever used this beastie?
22:53<free-ki>anyone can help me?
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22:54<abrotman>kambleh
22:55<free-ki>please?
22:57<edhunter>free-ki: there is a ##gnome on irc.freenode.net perhaps someone there can help you
22:57<gsimmons>yoh: Not with OpenSuSE (AFAIK only SuSE 8.1, 8.2 and 9.0 are supported). It's possible to add a distribution as described in the mach's README, you could check its mailing list for any related discussion.
22:58<free-ki>ok, thanks
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22:59<yoh>gsimmons: I just got confused by NEWS which said (after 0.9.3): - Add OpenSuse 10.2, 10.3, 11.0 build files (Julien)
23:02<yoh>gsimmons: heh -- mach-devel mailing list is just a spam trap -- see nothing useful./// most pathetic is that once I've setup chroot... a year ago but can't recall what I've used -- I believe just some basic image which I simply unrolled
23:02<yoh>gsimmons: screw it all -- will look tomorrow... thanks anyways! chao
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23:21<gsimmons>yoh: You're right, etc/dist.d/opensuse-{102,103,110}-i386 aren't included in a mach source release despite being referenced in ChangeLog/NEWS/README/RELEASE since 0.9.4. You can acquire these distribution files from its CVS repository (mach2 module).
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23:39<yoh>gsimmons: heh... not sleeping yet... could you let me-silly know how to use bloody thing? trying with "mach --release=opensuse-110-i386 setup base" -- it just pukes on me with "No definition for packages found for"
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23:47<yoh>gsimmons: ok -- good god it is in a reasonable language... mach -d --root=opensuse-110-i386-core setup base seems to be doing the trick ;)
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23:53<heffay>I just installed a new motherboard and sid is not autodetecting my ethernet interface. it shows up in lspci. how do i get the interface up?
23:53<abrotman>!tell heffay about 70
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