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---Logopened Tue Jan 19 00:00:06 2010
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00:00<sney>install os-prober and do update-grub, it should automatically add your windows install
00:00<hatta_>I'll give that a shot
00:01<hatta_>ah it found it, excellent
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00:01<hatta_>thanks for the help
00:01<sney>no problem
00:02<sney>if only they were all that easy
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00:03<sney>JohninLex: any luck?
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00:03<JohninLex>yea I went 600673.coming looking
00:05<JohninLex>ok thats not helping
00:05<sney>lol
00:05<sney>if this is a laptop, there might be a switch to turn the wireless on and off... make sure it's on
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00:06<JohninLex>well I am on the desktop working on the laptop(side by side)
00:06<sney>and the laptop is what you just put debian on?
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00:07<JohninLex>yep I am sick and tired of the Ubuntu Problems
00:07<sney>haha, join the club
00:07<sney>we are much better than ubuntu
00:07<JohninLex>lets hope so
00:07<sney>sometimes not as easy right at the beginning, but I think it's a fair trade
00:08<JohninLex>this is not a huge problem but I do like to site in the living room every now and then.
00:08<sney>yeah I'm sure we can get it working
00:08<JohninLex>well I tried BSD and that wend no where
00:08<sney>even a brand new laptop is still possible to use wirelessly, it's just a question of how much you need to mess with it
00:08<raylu>running "lspci -v" as root will show which/whether a kernel driver is in use for your wireless card
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00:08<JohninLex>all I ever culd get working was TWN
00:09<astronut>sney: it'll show up in lspci even without the switch
00:09<astronut>err
00:09<astronut>JohninLex not sney
00:09<astronut>anyway, mine doesn't show up w/ | grep net since it's Network not network
00:09<astronut>so try the grep -i net
00:09<astronut>you never told us if you did
00:09<sney>did you get anything for that other lspci command? if not I have a theory - is that a Toshiba laptop?
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00:11<JohninLex>opps I thought I posted that it was intel corp pro/wireles 2200BG [calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
00:12<sney>ah yes
00:12<raylu>that is... old...
00:12<astronut>hey, i used to have an intel 2200
00:12<JohninLex>and no it a hp, but I did have problems setting up the Toshiba a few years back, but that was atheros problem
00:12<sney>I've seen tons of those as dell-branded pcmcia cards
00:13<astronut>ipw2200 is the kernel module
00:13<astronut>ibm used to do a lot of those on thinkpads
00:13<astronut>it's easy, you just have to install a firmware
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00:13<astronut>add non-free to your sources.list and install firmware-ipw2x00
00:13<sney>lately toshiba has been taking USB wireless cards and sticking them to the motherboard, so they don't show up in lspci. it makes sense because the usb wireless is literally tiny, but it's silly and annoying if you don't know what to look for
00:14<opticon>configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
00:14<sney>opticon: apt-get install build-essential
00:14<opticon>i thought debian shipped with c compiler
00:14<sney>not unless you install it ^^
00:15<opticon>ahh
00:15<JohninLex>Hint here please Non-DFSG
00:15<sney>JohninLex: context?
00:15<raylu>JohninLex: /etc/apt/sources.list
00:16<opticon>never thought i would need to compile from source but with instructions doesnt seem to bad
00:16<raylu>oh, nevermind.
00:16<sney>opticon: yah, it's easy.
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00:16<raylu>JohninLex: debian free software guidelines, i believe
00:16<sney>opticon: oh, but look at stow if you ever want to uninstall whatever it is you're building.
00:16<sney>!tell opticon about stow
00:17<JohninLex>ok
00:18<sney>debian is unhappy that you're installing software that isn't completely open, but that's not your fault, it's intel's. as long as it installs don't worry about it
00:18*JohninLex is not the greatest in the terminal ok
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00:20<opticon>checking for PACKAGE... configure: error: Package requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 1.3.13) were not met:
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00:20<john>ok I am on the laptop
00:20<opticon>something else to install?
00:20<sney>opticon: when you see errors like that, you need -dev packages
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00:21<raylu>opticon: in this case, it's most likely libgtk2.0-dev
00:22<sney>that's the one
00:22<sney>JohninLex: via wireless?
00:22<JohninLex>no eth0
00:22<opticon>ok found it and installing
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00:24<sney>JohninLex: you installed the package astronut told you about?
00:24<JohninLex>sorry I must have missed that while I was getting xchat on this one to cut and paste
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00:25<sney>ok no rush
00:25<JohninLex>can you repost it please
00:25<sney>did you edit /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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00:27<JohninLex>can I do a paste
00:27<JohninLex>5-6 lines
00:27<sney>put it here: http://paste.debian.net/
00:28<opticon>it worked
00:28<sney>!win opticon
00:28<dpkg>Congratulations, opticon! You have won a one way ticket to Gaza!
00:28<JohninLex>http://paste.debian.net/57073/
00:29<opticon>source had the ./autoinstall thats why it was easy
00:29<ml|>checkinstall is also good :)
00:29<sney>JohninLex: ah. aptitude install nano, then nano /etc/apt/sources.list
00:30<opticon>what i installed was gadmin-httpd
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00:31<opticon>but when i launch via ssh session im prompted with this sh: httpd: command not found
00:31<JohninLex>sney, can you give me the source list to add?
00:31<sney>ok, got apache?
00:31<JohninLex>please!!!
00:31<opticon>yea
00:32<sney>JohninLex: the first line should say something like deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main
00:32<opticon>been installed running fine for some time
00:32<sney>and what you should do is add this to the end of that line: non-free contrib
00:32<sney>and then save the file and aptitude update
00:32<sney>opticon: hmm, is the apache binary named something other than httpd? it might be a ./configure option for your gadmin thinger
00:33<JohninLex>http://paste.debian.net/57074/
00:33<opticon>installed apache during debian setup or at the end
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00:33<sney>JohninLex: that's fine, you didn't need to put it on security but that won't have an effect
00:34<sney>now aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00
00:34<JohninLex>I didnt it was already it was already there
00:35<sney>oh huh, I guess the installer must have asked. well that makes it easier
00:36<opticon>debian5:~# gadmin-httpd
00:36<opticon>sh: httpd: command not found
00:36<opticon>chown: invalid user: `apache:apache'
00:36<opticon>Running command: touch /etc/httpd/passwords/passwords && chmod 600 /etc/httpd/passwords/passwords && chown apache:apache /etc/httpd/passwords/passwords
00:36<opticon>has failed.
00:36-!-opticon was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
00:36<JohninLex>thats why I pasted it
00:36<sney>JohninLex: once the firmware is installed, it should just work.
00:37<JohninLex>because I did not think anyone would have believed me lol
00:37<sney>haha well as long as it works
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00:37<sney>opticon: :P
00:37<JohninLex>:D
00:38<JohninLex>^opticon, ^
00:38<ravenbird>JohninLex: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?
00:38<opticon>to much ehh
00:38<sney>opticon: that's what http://paste.debian.net/ is for
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00:39<sney>opticon: anyway, when building things from source, it often helps to do ./configure --help |less first
00:39<sney>because that way you can see all the options it offers for the build
00:39<JohninLex>ravenbird, nope I just found out about that page
00:39<ravenbird>JohninLex: I don't know, could you explain it?
00:39<opticon>ok ill remove and start over
00:39<sney>is that another bot
00:40<sney>http://wiki.debian.org/ is also helpful
00:41<JohninLex>ravenbird, ???
00:41<ravenbird>JohninLex: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
00:41<JohninLex>yep a bot
00:42<opticon>ehh apt doesnt seem able to remove
00:43<sney>opticon: uh, yeah, apt can't remove things that apt didn't install
00:43<sney>that's what stow was for
00:43<JohninLex>sney, no wireless brb going to try a reboot ok and I will let you know
00:44<sney>ok
00:44<JohninLex>\exit
00:44<opticon>do the thing that sends message i closed it out when i was kicked
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00:44<sney>just /msg dpkg stow
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00:47<JohninLex>sney, guess what
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00:47<sney>wifi?
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00:48<JohninLex>all the way baby all the way!!! Sney is the man/woman
00:48<sney>man, thanks
00:49<sney>now is when it starts being better than ubuntu
00:49<JohninLex>hey I was being safe
00:49<sney>yah no worries
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00:49<sney>btw is that lexington ky?
00:49<JohninLex>well let try the test of time, yes
00:50<JohninLex>how did you know?
00:50<sney>insightbb is just in the midwest, it was a safe guess
00:50<sney>I used to know a guy from lexington, we worked on some software in 05 or so
00:51<sney>his name is Erik Williams, I think he has a security company or something
00:51<JohninLex>well I only know one great software guy here
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00:53<JohninLex>I have a Erik Williams that lives behind me that I thought was a programer for Lexmark
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00:54<JohninLex>but you brought up insightbb they have shut me down for to much unlimited useage
00:54<sney>lol
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00:54<sney>hey, it happens to the best of us. too bad you don't have fios coverage yet
00:55<JohninLex>4g?
00:55<sney>fiber optic
00:55<astronut>hey what about me?
00:55<astronut>JohninLex: -^
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00:56<JohninLex>we do in some places :) but not at home
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00:56<sney>yeah fios is fiber optic from Verizon for people's homes, it's pretty awesome by all accounts (but I don't have it either)
00:56<JohninLex>astronut, in the man/woman as WELL!!!!!!!!!!
00:56<sney>!win astronut
00:56<JohninLex>in=is
00:56<dpkg>Congratulations, astronut! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
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00:57<JohninLex>I have 20.o here and I thought it was pretty fast
00:57<sney>yeah that's better than what I have
00:58<sney>until they shut you down, right
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00:58<JohninLex>there working on 30.o now
01:00<JohninLex>i was going to do a speakeasy speed test to show you how fast it was but I dont have java installed yet lol
01:00<astronut>there are flash ones around
01:00<astronut>anyway, i'm out
01:00*astronut &
01:00<JohninLex>night astronut
01:00<JohninLex>and again thanks for your help
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01:02<JohninLex>ok thats strange no one for all package for debian
01:03<sney>one for all?
01:03<JohninLex>yea ubuntu-restricted
01:03<sney>hmm what is that usually
01:03<sney>flash and java and stuff?
01:03<JohninLex>it added java, video everyting in one small synaptic pkg
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01:04<sney>oh, well all the same stuff is available in debian, just separate. that way if one part updates and the rest doesn't, you don't have to install the whole set all over again
01:05<JohninLex>yea I was looking for bits and pieces now
01:05<sney>anyway, for flash and java the packages are flashplugin-nonfree and sun-java6-jre
01:05<raylu>sney: it was merely a package that depended on the other pieces
01:06<raylu>a virtual package, i think
01:06<sney>ah, that makes more sense
01:06*sney hasn't used ubuntu since 2003 or so
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01:07<sney>2004, I guess. when it was new
01:07<JohninLex>1 laptop, 1 desktop w/ ubuntu still
01:08<JohninLex>2 other running BSD to TWN, and another running DSL, and 5 others running dos 3.3lol
01:09<sney>man that's a collection
01:09*JohninLex vintage collector
01:09<sney>lots of dos no wonder you tried to use 'edit' to change sources.list
01:09<JohninLex>(laptops)
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01:09<JohninLex>hahahaha
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01:11<JohninLex>I really like older laptops to place on the shelf and not to be used just to show off
01:12<JohninLex>ok sney thanks for the help, I will see you all later
01:12<sney>no problem
01:13<JohninLex>I am going to have to get irssi installed next it has been a while for xchat
01:13<JohninLex>I knew would work
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01:15<criticaL>Guys, I wanted to start learn programming, is there java-script good for beginning or would anyone prefer another programming-language?
01:15<sney>they say ruby is pretty easy
01:16<sney>and you can do literally anything in python
01:16<sney>javascript isn't really a programming language, but java is
01:16<kilelme>javascript for web design most to effect
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01:16<criticaL>i got some html basics, so i thaught i can bind some java script in html
01:17<kilelme>i suggest if you want learn programing choose c or c++
01:17<criticaL>than i will learn c or c++ maybe
01:17<criticaL>yes :)
01:17<criticaL>k thx i will take a look for ruby and python, its kind of interesting maybe..
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01:20<kilelme>wow .. maybe we can share what we learn
01:20<kilelme>^_^
01:20<ravenbird>kilelme: I wish you would RTFM.
01:20<kilelme>RTFM ?? what this
01:20<sney>ah I see, it hates the ^^ characters
01:21<sney>kilelme: ravenbird is a bot, ignore it
01:21<kilelme>ups i'm sorry if i write wrong character
01:22<criticaL>haha, read the fucking manual :D
01:26<kilelme>what manual critical
01:26<criticaL>rtfm ;)
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01:33<metalqga>squeeze's pulseaudio doesn't remember last used volume settings, it starts always muted and 2ch, i've got no exp using pulseaudio, are there apps like alsamixer for it?
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01:35<firefox>anyone able to help me with moblock?
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01:39<Name1ess>Is there a skype client for Debian?
01:40<metalqga>name1ess
01:40<metalqga>yes
01:40<sney>there's a plugin for pidgin
01:40<Nemoder_>!skype
01:40<dpkg>[skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype
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01:40<Name1ess>thanks
01:42<Nemoder_>anyone able to watch hulu.com streams with adobe's latest flash?
01:42<sney>nope, because I'm not in america
01:42*sney shakes fist
01:43<Nemoder_>well I am and I used to but it stopped working recently
01:43<sney>does youtube work normally?
01:43<Nemoder_>yes
01:44<Nemoder_>but hulu does some funkier things than youtube, just not sure if it's an flash problem or something else
01:44<metalqga>i found a solution for the sound probs I had: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=557255
01:45<opticon>sney tried going through the config but the default options in autoinstall looks fine to me so idunno
01:45<opticon>gadmin-httpd was the program but im done fooling with it
01:46<sney>what was it anyway, some kind of configuration gui?
01:46<opticon>its just a gui frontend for apache2
01:47<sney>debian's apache config setup would probably just confuse it anyway
01:47<opticon>i have apache setup working fine now but was looking for something to make management easier
01:48<Nemoder_>interesting, hulu's stand alone linux player works ok
01:49<sney>opticon: beware, things that make management easier for you often make exploits easier for others
01:49<sney>see: webmin
01:50<opticon>the system is behind my application proxy firewall only port 80 is web facing for debian
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01:56<opticon>for remote access i use ssh and xwindows
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02:00<aaron>!10n
02:00<aaron>!1i0n
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02:12<aaron>!translator
02:12<aaron>!translate
02:12<aaron>x to es the car is red
02:12<edhunter>aaron: what are you looking for?
02:12<sney>el carro es rojo, but these aren't the droids you're looking for
02:12<aaron>x to es: your cars rock
02:13<aaron>edhunter, I'm looking for the translator channel
02:13<aaron>can't find it
02:13<sney>this ain't it
02:13<edhunter>aaron: sorry dont know then
02:13<sney>why not just use http://translate.google.com/
02:13<ml|>heh, try google translate ;)
02:13<aaron>lol
02:13<aaron>i do not need a translator i need the channel so i can help them out
02:14<sney>try /list
02:14<ml|>sney: good translation btw :)
02:15<sney>he olvidado mucho
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02:31<razz987a654>hi all
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02:32<edhunter>hi razz987a654
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02:33<compaq>salut
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02:33<razz987a654>I just installed debian in virtual box but it starts in X, how do I start the GUI, Gnome or KDE. I tried to install KDE but I have no Sudo permission, I will need to edit sudoers file but am unable to locate it, Please help
02:34<razz987a654>hi edhunter
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02:34<ml|>you need to install sudo first
02:35<razz987a654>thanks ml
02:35<goodger>razz987a654: debian uses su, not sudo. type su, hit enter, type your root password, then you get a root shell
02:35<ml|>or what goodger said if you don't want to use sudo
02:35<razz987a654>cheers goodger
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02:36<razz987a654>just moved to linux,
02:36<kenyon>anybody know how to set the default program that opens a PDF in iceweasel? at the "what should iceweaseal do with this file?" dialog, normally "xpdf (default)" is selected, and I have to switch it to okular manually.
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02:37<ml|>kenyon: preference -> applications you can change it there
02:37<goodger>kenyon: edit > preferences > applications > PDF document
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02:38<ml|>razz987a654: you should read debian-reference then /msg dpkg reference
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02:38<jm_>it should also show you "Do this automatically for files like this from now on" checkbox
02:38<jm_>so one only needs to set it once
02:39<ml|>yes on the bottom
02:39<kenyon>but I want it to still be "always ask", just have okular be selected by default in the dialog box. if I change that preference, then I get no dialog asking whether to open or save.
02:39<jm_>right
02:40<razz987a654>I am not sure I understand what you mean ml
02:41<razz987a654>I am ver why new to linux
02:41<razz987a654>is that like a manual for debian
02:42<jm_>try /etc/mailcap ~/.mailcap
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02:42<ml|>I have had iceweasel crash, trying to open a .mp4 file with mplayer, so I just download and open stuff manually, oh and X crashed too, so not sure who was at fault
02:42<ml|>razz987a654: yes
02:43<ml|>razz987a654: in your irc client type /msg dpkg reference
02:43<razz987a654>ok
02:43<ml|>what is your host OS?
02:43<razz987a654>vista
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02:44<ml|>ah, ok
02:44<bhutan>hoy
02:44<bhutan>had a problem here
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02:44<ml|>razz987a654: also /msg dpkg grounding
02:45<ml|>razz987a654: anything you see in a message from dpkg like <example> you can ask dpkg /msg dpkg example
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02:47<razz987a654>thanks ml learnt something new, I will read through the reference manual first and come back, I was reading installation guide and was stuck at 7.1. Thanks once again
02:48<ml|>np, the install guide is also good to read
02:48<ml|>razz987a654: you might find this helpful also ... http://wiki.debian.org/LennyIllustratedInstall
02:49<ml|>but still read the rest
02:49<ml|>also
02:50<razz987a654>I am trying to learn linux programming, where do you think I should start first
02:50<metalqga>c
02:51<edhunter>razz987a654: depends on what exactly you mean with linux programming and what you know already. if its scripting you want bash is the answer
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02:51<razz987a654>yep I am slowly picking up the bash commands
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02:52<edhunter>razz987a654: i find bash to be a good way to learn the standard commands and various config files used
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02:53<ml|>if you know some bash, this a good read ... http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
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02:54<kenyon>jm_: I think ~/.mailcap worked, I added application/x-pdf; okular '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"; nametemplate=%s.pd
02:54<kamal>where should I mount windows partitions?
02:54<jm_>kenyon: right
02:54<kenyon>that should probably be done by the okular package, like it is for evince
02:54<net>can i add with you?
02:54<jm_>kenyon: okular probably adds itself at the end of /etc/mailcap
02:55<jm_>kenyon: man mailcap mailcap.order
02:55<net>what's mean
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02:56<ml|>kamal: somewhere in /mnt/
02:56<kenyon>jm_: I think it's because it just lacks the x-pdf type; it actually puts an application/pdf type first in /etc/mailcap
02:56<kamal>ml|: okay
02:56<razz987a654>I first started of with ubuntu, used it for over six months, learnt the basics, like installing, partitioning, all the basic stuff. had lot of issues with flash was not happy, Karmic started crashing quite frequently. That's why I thought I should move to differnet OS, as ubuntu is based on debian I thought this would be a good start
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02:57<ml|>razz987a654: just keep in mind it is not ubuntu
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02:58<razz987a654>I realize that. I started wit hubuntu because it was #1 on distro watch.
02:58<net>but back track is fine
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02:59<ml|>sure, we all had to start somewhere
02:59<goodger>a reasonable starting point; the differences between ubuntu and debian are relatively minor in the grand scheme of things
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02:59<razz987a654>I actually have no preference, I just want something stabe.
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03:00<ml|>razz987a654: if you are willing to learn you'll be fine
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03:02<razz987a654>It took me more than 2 years to come this far, Only when I tried to move my systems to Linux did I appreceate how much I was dependant on windows. I did not like that. I guess I will be comfortable in completely getting rid of windows in 1 more year
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03:04<net>fine
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03:05<net>some one here?
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03:07<ml|>razz987a654: read read read and ask questions when you are not sure; no need to rush if you don't have too, but you will learn faster if you don't use windows as much, of course that depends on you
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03:09<razz987a654>ml: Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, is there a pdf file, I would like to print it and read, my eyes hurt if I read on screen, I prefer paper.
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03:10<kenyon>razz987a654: yes, see http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/
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03:10<ml|>http://tldp.org/guides.html
03:10<ml|>oh
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03:11<ml|>it's the first one on my link
03:12<cfrabel_>Hi all
03:12<ml|>there is also ... http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/
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03:12<ml|>and pdf ... http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/Bash-Beginners-Guide.pdf
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03:12<razz987a654>Like I said I still need windows for study and work. It's just not that easy to move away from windows
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03:14<yugenn>есть кто русский
03:14<yugenn>???
03:14<Yoda`Taff>!ru
03:14<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
03:14<yugenn>thank
03:15<jmm>hi.
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03:18<ml|>razz987a654: what you need should run fine in a vista vm like your are doing now just the other way around ;)
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03:24<razz987a654>ml: I actually want to do that but I do not want to install vista from scratch, I want to preserve my present vista system as it is updated and runs with out a glitch. I am planninng to get a SSD soon and will have Linux as a host. then I can leave the vista as is and boot it as a external hard drive if I need to. Installing vista form scratch is painfull to say the least.
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03:27<ml|>razz987a654: yes, I understand; just giving you some ideas, that sounds like a plan; good luck :)
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03:28<nickname>maybe when reactos further develops it could answer all your windows needs.
03:28<razz987a654>cheers mate, thanks for all the pointers. Hope to see you around
03:29<metalqga>till then noone will need windows ;)
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03:44<chocolat888>Bonjour à tous :)
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03:50<felkor>hi ppl. what's wrong with freenode #debian?
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03:50<Cozminsky>felkor, nothing that I'm aware, I'm there
03:50<felkor>i do /j #debian and i get #debian-overflow just for invited.
03:51<Cozminsky>felkor, did you register your nick?
03:51<felkor>no
03:51<felkor>ah
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03:51<felkor>ty for the info
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03:55<felkor>i had a question: i'm looking for something like ubuntu ppa (u drop code and package are built and availabe). googling i found http://svnbuildstat.debian.net/ but the site seems off. is there any alternatives?
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03:57<edhunter>felkor: i guess you have to do it "manually".. never heard of something similar for debian (actually i dont even know exactly how PPA works)
03:58<felkor>thats sad. ppa seems cool amd SvnBuildStat seem to do something similar
03:58<felkor>http://wiki.debian.org/svnbuildstat
03:59<felkor>although i'd prefer git.
03:59<edhunter>felkor: as i said i dont really know what PPA is but from what you said i doubt that it produces quality packages..
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04:00<felkor>edhunter, depending on what users put there. else the package is built if it can be built. https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
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04:01<felkor>i have some packages i'd like to patch/personilaze and a thing like ppa would be just great.
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04:02<ml|>that debian wiki page has not been updated in a while
04:02<fossiiil>hi
04:02<fossiiil>what's the best way to truncate to zero/create new file?
04:02<edhunter>felkor: i think i misunderstood a bit what u said ;)
04:02<jm_>echo > foo
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04:02<felkor>edhunter, maybe i was not clear enough :)
04:02<jm_>> foo also works
04:03<edhunter>felkor: i thought you just add source and it does the rest (copyright control whatever)
04:03<felkor>ah, no. debian ready
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04:04<edhunter>felkor: yeah thats where i lost you but i still have my doubt about the package quality in there :)
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04:07<felkor>edhunter, usually ppl use it for some patches/changes to original ubuntu packages. it can also build other packages for each ubuntu release/arch. many ppl use it in ubuntu.
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04:07<felkor>its really cool and very usefull. Debian should have something similar!
04:07<edhunter>felkor: yes i am aware of that but still i think you understand why i have my doubts..
04:08<felkor>yes i do edhunter
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04:08<edhunter>felkor: personally i use pbuilder for package building. not as automated as what you would like but still better than nothing
04:09<felkor>edhunter, pbuilder works with the repos too?
04:09<felkor>a local one, i mean
04:09<felkor>updating the repo, registering the package, etc?
04:09<edhunter>felkor: it just builds the package in a clean chroot environment. i dont think that it can automatically upload to a repo (local or remote)
04:10<felkor>i c
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04:14<Cozminsky>pbuilder is only necessary for hygiene
04:15<Cozminsky>i.e. that the packages have the correct build dependencies
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04:22<Cozminsky>not that I'm saying don't use pbuilder
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04:52<burning-atom>hello
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05:04<jim74>hi@all
05:05<jmm>hi jim.
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05:10<jim74>i tried to install testing build squeeze on my pc but everytime after installation has completed during the first boot sequence after grub appears there ist a message "cannot mount device"
05:10<jim74>what is wrong?
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05:11<jim74>the same happened when i installed lenny with gnome...
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05:16<jm_>does kernel say that?
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05:18<jim74>the message appears directly after the counter of grub is gone to zero
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05:18<jim74>and the system tries to boot
05:19<jm_>!norootfs
05:19<dpkg>Modular support is nice, but don't go overboard. You'll have to use static (vs modular) support for your root filesystem (including where your modules reside), the hardware to boot it (eg, ide, scsi controllers etc) Consider using a known good configuration from /boot/ and copy it to .config, then make oldconfig (see kp). And make sure your initrd is setup correctly in your bootloader
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05:21<fossiiil>how to load command's stderr message into variable
05:21<fossiiil>something like foo=$(command)
05:21<fossiiil>but i want only output to stderr
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05:25<vortex7>fossiiil; FOO=$(comand 2>&1 1>/dev/null)
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05:25<fossiiil>vortex7: thanks a lot
05:25<jim74>@jim_ during the installation i selected one partition für rootfs (mountpoint /) and one fpr swap
05:26<fossiiil>vortex7: how to close descriptor, btw? 1>&- ?
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05:26<jm_>jim74: it's jm_ -- are you using a debian kernel?
05:27<jim74>yes
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05:27<jm_>does it detect your disks?
05:28<jim74>but i cant tell you this time which one it is
05:28<jim74>no
05:28<jm_>how do you know it doesn't? do you get a prompt?
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05:31<jim74>i think grub print out the message...
05:32<jm_>ok you need to clarify who prints it
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05:34<jm_>what's the exact text?
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05:43<jim74>thank for help
05:44<jim74>i have to leave now
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05:44<jim74>will teturn soon
05:44<jim74>ciao
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05:55<fossiiil>what's the easiest way to truncate file size to 0 ?
05:55<fossiiil>and create new file if it doesn't exists?
05:55<themill>fossiiil: :>filename
05:55<fossiiil>sorry, without redirection
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05:56<Azrael_->hi
05:57<fossiiil>themill: how does it work, please?
05:57<Azrael_->how can i change the reader of the manpages from more to less?
05:57<jm_>Azrael_-: man man
05:57<themill>fossiiil: how does what work?
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05:58<fossiiil>themill: :>filename
05:58<fossiiil>it's hard for me to find bugs like : > & in bash manual
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05:59<themill>fossiiil: : is shell builtin (i.e. a command) that does nothing. "help :" for more information. > is for redirection of that (null) output.
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06:00<fossiiil>themill: thanks for 'help :' !
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06:01<Azrael_->jm_: can't find anything in there that helps me
06:02<jm_>Azrael_-: you obviously didn't read it, see how it mentions PAGER etc.
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06:04<Azrael_->k
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06:05<Jowi>Azrael_-, update-alternatives --config pager
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06:06<ml|>Azrael_-: or you use export PAGER or MANPAGER like man man explains
06:06<Azrael_->less wasn't installed. after installing it, it was default
06:06<Azrael_->thx
06:09<Jowi>Azrael_-, use update-alternatives to change the default browser, editor, ftp etc, etc, etc. very practical
06:10<Azrael_->kk
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06:14<Azrael_->(as long as you know the variable you want to configure) :)
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06:16<net>hello
06:16<jmm>hi.
06:16<net>i am ripon
06:16<net>you?
06:17<jmm>I'm french.
06:17<net>and Bangladesh
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06:18<net>your name please
06:19<net>you there?
06:20<jmm>I'm magnet.
06:20<net>can friendship with you?
06:21<jmm>I don't think so.
06:21<jmm>unless you got huge breasts.
06:21<net>why?
06:21<edhunter>hehe
06:21<net>ah ha ha
06:22<jmm>;)
06:22<net>it is sensitive that we should make powerfull network.what do you think all?
06:23<goodger_>come on, let's not arse around
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06:23<net>i think we are all are friend
06:24<net>if some one accept me as friend .....
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06:25<dr|z3d>net: This is not the channel to make friends. try #debian-offtopic or elsewhere.
06:25<net>sorry
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06:32<jerry__>Hi
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06:40<fossiiil>can i use something like:
06:41<fossiiil>clock_start
06:41<fossiiil>clock_end
06:41<fossiiil>echo $clock
06:41<fossiiil>??
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06:42<dr|z3d>fossiiil: With bash.rc and some choice aliases, you can do that and a lot more.
06:43<cfrabel_>Hi all
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07:04<pj>hi
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07:05<pj>I need your help, I got an issue dealing with user rights
07:06<pj>how can I know wich user runs a program
07:06<pj>?
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07:06<jm_>ps shows it
07:06<pj>i'll take a look, thx
07:06<melmothX>ps -u $user
07:07<pj>ps don't show it...
07:07<melmothX>or ps aux | grep process
07:07<pj>i'm talking about php server
07:07<jm_>yes it does
07:07<pj>maybe it is hidden ?
07:08<themill>pj: php probably isn't running as a separate process. It's most likely running as the user www-data through your apache2 server
07:10<pj>I for information I'm using lammp
07:11<pj>I got sevral httpd process
07:11<pj>is this the apache server running ,
07:11<pj>?
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07:12<themill>pj: if by that you mean you're using the debian apache, mysql and php packages from debian, then the process will be called "apache2". If you're using something else, then you should ask them how they've configured the packages (or better, get rid of that crap and install the debian packages)
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07:14<pj>ok thx...
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07:29<pj>user 'nobody' runs my apache server
07:29<pj>what is user nobody
07:29<pj>?
07:31<locklace>!nobody
07:31<dpkg>i guess nobody is a user account commonly found on systems. It has reduced privileges. Some daemons are run in this account. These days, most daemons create their own account, with reduced privileges.
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07:37<pj>thx ! dpkg knows everything
07:37<pj>!dpkg
07:37<dpkg>i guess dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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07:50<VELENOSO_>irc:///mega_fantasy
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07:53<vervelak>helo world
07:53<jmm>hello vervelak .
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08:16<Ikar>#help
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08:19<Ikar>всем привет здесь есть кто русский?
08:20<Jowi>!ru
08:20<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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08:25<Ikar>#debian-russian v There instead of to help some use foul language and impudently themselves they conduct me have simply thrown out
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08:26<jm_>on freenode?
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08:27<Ikar>the channel #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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08:37<Ikar>au revoir!
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08:38<dgzt>Hello
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08:48<defcon1>whats up people?
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08:50<dgzt>Hi
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08:58<shiznatix>Hello. I have been having this problem with local settings on this debian install. For some reason I am always getting errors saying around the lines of "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" I want the default local to be en-us in utf8 if possible
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09:03<jm_>!locales
09:03<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale
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09:06<shiznatix>jm_, thats the problem. check the output here: http://pastebin.com/m32d8b1a
09:06<jm_>shiznatix: Package `locale' is not installed and no info is available.
09:06<jm_>shiznatix: not how dpkg said locales, not locale
09:07<jm_>note*
09:07<shiznatix>jm_, seams to be already installed: http://pastebin.com/m62df16cd
09:07<jm_>shiznatix: reconfigure it
09:08<shiznatix>jm_, dpkg-reconfigure locales? gives the same errors as with locale
09:08<jm_>shiznatix: those are just warnings
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09:09<shiznatix>jm_, yes but they never go away. i install apache and i get a bunch of perl errors saying it can't set the locale
09:09<Jowi>shiznatix, have you tried locale-def?
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09:09<Jowi>shiznatix, have you tried "localedef" even :)
09:09<jm_>shiznatix: did you select any locales in the config dialogs?
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09:10<shiznatix>Jowi, I never saw localedef before so no, didn't try anything with that
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09:10<shiznatix>jm_, I have not gotten any dialogs for anything
09:10<Jowi>run it as root and see what it outputs
09:11<jm_>shiznatix: try adding -fdialog -plow
09:11<shiznatix>jm_, to what?
09:11<jm_>shiznatix: dpkg-reconfigure
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09:12<shiznatix>jm_, same warnings
09:12<jm_>shiznatix: ignore the warnings, do you get a dialog to configure locales?
09:12<shiznatix>Jowi, it says to use it other ways, i can only read the man pages about it but i don't know what it does
09:12<shiznatix>jm_, no, I don't get anything, just the warnings then it ends
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09:13<jm_>shiznatix: what if you do LANG=C LC_ALL=C dpkg-reconfigure -f... -plow locales?
09:13<Jowi>gah, locale-gen of course
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09:14<shiznatix>jm_, no errors or anything with that one
09:14<jm_>shiznatix: and no dialog either?
09:14<shiznatix>jm_, nope. just enter and nothing
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09:15<jm_>shiznatix: interesting, what does 'debconf-show locales' say?
09:15<shiznatix>jm_, http://pastebin.com/m6c73d31
09:16<shiznatix>Jowi, that command has been tried and does nothing
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09:17<Jowi>shiznatix, so no locales has been specified. so that is first step: "locale-gen en_US.UTF-8"
09:18<jm_>shiznatix: hmm, do you have any settings for locales package in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ?
09:18<shiznatix>whoa whoa! Jowis thing worked
09:18<shiznatix>but how do I get like, all the locales
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09:19<Jowi>shiznatix, I think as jm_ said that you're missing a config file for them. fortunately locale-gen can generate the ones you need on the fly.
09:19<jm_>shiznatix: sorry I have to go now, probably someone else can help
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09:19<Jowi>same here. need to leave in 5 mins. My son is seeing a doctor.
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09:20<shiznatix>no problem. thanks for you time guys
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09:20<Jowi>normally the locales are in /etc/locale.gen - I think you simply uncomment the ones you want.
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09:21<patri85>hi
09:23<Jowi>bbl
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09:28<pt-debian>how hard is it to become a new package maintainer to work on some orphaned packages? (dont know if this is the right channel to be asking this)
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09:28<petemc>!nm
09:28<dpkg>well, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>.
09:29<bremner>Many maintain packages wo being in nm
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09:31<pt-debian>basically im looking to work on some orphaned packages as part of a final year project, but do intend on working with them after project is finished. Ive read some info about the NM app process and my main problem is that i havnt been actively working with any developers in debian. Is this terribly important?
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09:34<pt-debian>bremner, is it possible to maintain package without officially being in nm?
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09:39<ansgar>pt-debian: Yes, you just have to find a DD to sponsor your uploads.
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09:40<ansgar>pt-debian: See http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html
09:40<bremner>pt-debian: channel #debian-mentors is meant for discussing this process (mainly for helping people get started)
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09:43<pt-debian>thanks for you help
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09:43<ao2>hi, I've written a blog post about multiple mice with latest Xorg provided by debian, maybe someone can be interested: http://ao2.it/en/blog/2010/01/19/poor-mans-multi-touch-using-multiple-mice-xorg
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09:59<tatane>hello
10:00<tatane>I am looking for some help in USB driver devellopement could someone help me ?
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10:02<tatane>nobody to help me with my problem ?
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10:06<perk>tatane, this is a debian help channel. not in particular the place for coding help. you could try http://kernelnewbies.org/ as a start.
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10:10<Acony>hi I don't have tabs in nautilus on fresh installation
10:10<Acony>how to fix this ?
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11:03<deavid>anyone can give me some advice on packaging for debian? I've already the package, and I only want to get rid of the lintian warnings
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11:04<themill>deavid: "lintian-info -t the-lintian-tag-you-triggered" will give you more information on the tag. If that doesn't provide you with enough information, then try asking in #debian-mentors
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11:05<deavid>ok, I'll ask; i was taking a look into the tags, I know what they mean but no idea about what I'm doing wrong. Thanks
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12:05<vivek>hello
12:05<vivek>talk to me pls
12:05<locklace>!confuse vivek
12:05<dpkg>Yes, who was our badger tomorrow, vivek? Trousers of the Dictatorship of Swaziland with extra crabpaste.
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12:08<vivek>hello
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12:16<uzytkownik>Helo!
12:17<uzytkownik>What features should the OS have to use it to build web server?
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12:18<mase>"features"? what do you mean
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12:18<uzytkownik>properties, such us stability (Stable)
12:19<sney`>use stable for production servers
12:19<sney`>as for the rest, http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp
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12:20<sney`>I'm currently running a development server on a spare computer running Lenny and it was a breeze to set up
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12:20<sney`>that is, development web server
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12:22<shadow13>Hello all
12:22<sney`>hi
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12:22<uzytkownik>i am writing the graduating paper, and i have to put to it some features :)
12:22<uzytkownik>thanx
12:23<shadow13>what way would you say is the best to download debian
12:23<sney`>shadow13: netinst
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12:23<sney`>unless you have slow internet or brand new network hardware, anyway
12:24<shadow13>ok can you shoot me a link I have been using Ubuntu and I want to switch but im still new to linux Im gonna run a server out of it
12:25<sney`>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
12:25<mase>http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
12:25<mase>argh
12:25<sney`>lol
12:25<reallove>Hello, I have a problem compiling php 5.2.12 --with-xml. /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.2/../../../../lib/libxml2.so: undefined reference to `gzopen64' . I have installed from packages libxml2 v 2.6.32.dfsg-5+lenny1 , libzzip-0-13 v 0.13.49-4 . System is i686, Debian 5.0.
12:25<shadow13>lol thanx guys
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12:25<Jowi>sney` won :)
12:25<raylu>oh god. compiling php.
12:25<sney`>agreed
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12:26<sney`>reallove: well for starters you'll need the -dev packages since that's what your source package is looking for
12:27<reallove>libxml2-dev & libzzip-dev are installed too
12:28<xover>Question: How can I verify that a monitor and video card are support by X?
12:29<seanius>reallove: are you using the upstream tarball or the 5.2.12 source package?
12:30<reallove>was using the source package from php.net
12:30<seanius>reallove: you mean the tarball from php.net? afaik they don't offer debian source packages
12:30<Jowi>xover, for Xorg: http://www.calel.org/pci-devices/xorg-device-list.html for kernel drivers use this: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
12:30<mase>xover never heard a monitor was not supported. for graphics card you can check the drivers-apge on the manufactors web page; there should be a "supported"-list anywhere
12:31<mase>xover what card do you have?
12:31<shadow13>I also have a question but no need to hurry to answer it ( What Panel WOuld You Suggest For Debian? I have herd of GNUPanel any others that would be under the GPL?)
12:31<xover>Jowi: mase how do i determine which driver is in use?
12:31<reallove>seanius: right, not the debian package, but the tarball from php.net
12:31<seanius>reallove: anyway, try putting some relevant deb-src lines in your sources.list to mirror whatever release you're running, apt-get update, and then apt-get build-dep php5
12:32<mase>xover you can read you Xorg.log.0
12:32<mase>xover or look into your xorg.conf
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12:32<seanius>5.2.12 is recently in unstable, you could also try twiddling the configure flags in debian/rules from that source package and building debs from it
12:33<xover>mase: what is the command for creating one from running config?
12:33<mase>creating what?
12:33<reallove>seanius: thanks for the hints, will try more
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12:34<raylu>reallove: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxml2/+bug/151045
12:34<Jowi>xover, "Xorg -configure"
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12:35<Jowi>xover, or use -probeonly to probe but not write config
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12:36<xover>do i have to run it from a pts?
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12:37<Jowi>xover, it should work in console as well as in an xterm since it will probe your hardware.
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12:38<xover>i am getting this error
12:38<xover>Fatal server error:
12:38<xover>Server is already active for display 0
12:38<mase>yep, xserver should not be runnig...
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12:39<xover>ok ten four to that
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12:39<sney`>oh, and to see if 3d accel is working in a running system, install mesa-utils and look at the output of glxinfo, and run glxgears
12:40<sney`>if 3d accel is working, glxgears's framerate will be in the ten thousands
12:41<mase>...while glxinfo should show a line like "direct rendering: yes" around the beginning
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12:41<sney`>as well as a line telling you who provided your opengl
12:41<xover>is that good? 17435 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3486.802 FPS
12:41<sney`>that seems to be working, yes
12:41<adb>where is judd ?
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12:42<sney`>adb: good question, I don't know whose bot it is
12:42<adb>seen judd
12:42<mase>heh, i get 160FPS (thin client system)
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13:03<spacebear>where can i get help on knoppix ? ., is it based on a distro like debian '
13:04<spacebear>ive started via a live cd but i cant find no option to install to harddrive
13:04<petemc>!knoppix
13:04<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
13:05<spacebear>so you wouldnt recomend the knoppix live for a permanent desktop distro ?
13:05<spacebear>im just wanting to test something else than ubuntu this time
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13:06<spacebear>debian ive tested and the knoppix looks like it has everything to me .,
13:06<BlackFate>spacebear, http://tinyurl.com/yc6mxj2
13:06<aemili>I want synch gmail contacts with evolution, I stay on Debian lenny evolution 2.22.3.1
13:07<aemili>someone can help me?
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13:30<StyXman_>I tried to use nvidia-settings to rotate my nvidia video and doesn't have the option. is there any alternative?
13:30<mase>xrandr command
13:30<StyXman_>{x,k}randr don't provide any option either
13:30<StyXman_>heeh :)
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13:31<mase>in what way did they no succeed?
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13:33<Torsten_W>StyXman_, u have Option "RandRRotation"<--->"1" in your xorg.conf?
13:33<Torsten_W>grr
13:33<Torsten_W>without the <--->
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13:35<StyXman_>Torsten_W: no, coming
13:35<Torsten_W>StyXman_, without that option, nvidia-settings will not provide rotation
13:35<StyXman_>Torsten_W: which section?
13:35<Torsten_W>StyXman_, in the devive-section
13:35<Torsten_W>device
13:36<xover>do linux systems admins get paid more than there Windows counterparts?
13:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 402] by debhelper
13:37<StyXman_>xover: I don't think so
13:37<StyXman_>actually it depends on the company
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13:37<cahoot>lots of them are incognito
13:37<StyXman_>but given that they should be able to fix more problems by themselves (if they're good), then they should
13:38<StyXman_>Torsten_W: no fun :|
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13:39<xover>is anyone here a systems admin?
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13:40<StyXman_>Torsten_W: ah, there it is
13:40<StyXman_>tx
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13:56<xover>do you think there is an argument to use linux only systems in a corporate environment that does not require windows specific applications?
13:57<xover>I have never seen linux networks in non IT companies before.
13:57<dr|z3d>xover: That's like asking if there's an argument for hungry people to go for a chinese.
13:58<dr|z3d>mail+office apps+web browser. That's a minumum requirement, which Linux more than satisfies.
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13:59<xover>ease of end user to resolve there own issues = minimal.
13:59<Gathond>xover: depends, if it technically does not require them but 10K people are trained/used to using a set of windows apps don't bother
14:00<Gathond>xover: that may be a feature as well:)
14:00<xover>there is no task bar for those users to kill firefox when it plays up.
14:00<Gathond>if they can't fix them, they can't break it
14:00<Gathond>xover: what do you mean task bar, of cause there is
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14:00<Gathond>at least unless you specifically choose a non windows like UI, which would probably be foolish
14:00<xover>to kill applications when they hang, its all command line stuff
14:01<Gathond>xover: no its not
14:01<Gathond>its just that non of those who knows the cmd line stuff bothers opening the task manager to scroll for the app then select it
14:01<Gathond>when typing 10 chars in a terminal you already have open will do the same
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14:02<Gathond>gnome has a taskmanager/graphical top which can do these things
14:02<Gathond>and I'm willing to bet KDE goes as well
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14:02<xover>Gathond: good point, i had forgotten that
14:03<Gathond>can't you also rightclick on the taskbar and select kill?
14:03<xover>yes
14:03<Gathond>or is that only a close which will never ask to force the issue?
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14:03<xover>im not sure about that
14:06<Gathond>actually some (Enlightenment not sure about anything else) kills the app if you right click the close icon in the window
14:06<Gathond>instead of asking it to exit
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14:11<HakanBey>hi... how can i edit "/etc/modules" file ?
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14:12<HakanBey>i am using debian lenny
14:13<kleanchap>Is there Firefox browser available for Debian on Eeepc? When I do the "aptitude search mozilla" I get a list of large mozilla packages. How do I install firefox on Debian?
14:13<bzed>!iceweasel
14:13<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
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14:14<kleanchap>bzed, thnx
14:15<ml|>HakanBey: use your favorite editor and edit as root; but maybe explain what you are trying to do, so you get more help
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14:17<adis_>i have this error when trying to plug a usb modem http://ja.pastebin.ca/1756469
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14:18<adis_>i m thinking it look like as a driver bug
14:18<adis_>anyy idea??
14:18<HakanBey>kleanchap: ii am trying to set network and wireless network.
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14:19<panv>hi... i need discussion channel for python please
14:20<HakanBey>i can not be root on graphical interface. and i dont know how can i edit it on the terminal .
14:20<ml|>#python and ##python on irc.freenode.net, #python on irc.oftc.net
14:21<HakanBey>it is modules file
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14:22<ml|>dpkg: gksu
14:22<dpkg>rumour has it, gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode 1". Also ask me about <sux>.
14:23<kleanchap>HakanBey, is your display manager GDM?
14:23<HakanBey>yes
14:23<kleanchap>If yes, then you can set setup GDM to allow you to login as root.
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14:24<kleanchap>Logout and go to GDM screen....I am there as well.
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14:24<kleanchap>Click on "Actions" and select "Configure the login manager" option.
14:24<ml|>is that a good idea to run X as root? just use gksu or su - in a terminal and use nano
14:25<kleanchap>From there, you can go in and setup to allow root to login.
14:25<HakanBey>ok i understand
14:25<HakanBey>thanks a lot
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14:25<HakanBey>:)
14:26<kleanchap>HakanBey, did you install wicd on your Debian? That allows you to configure your wifi easily.
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14:26<ml|>dpkg: running x as root
14:26<dpkg>it has been said that running x as root is suicidal due to issues with external security exploits - and yes, they *do* happen in all variants of *n?x, Debian or otherwise - though the developers try to beat them down. Instead, log in as normal and either do 'su' or 'sudo'. Ask me about <root x> for alternatives.
14:26<HakanBey>kleanchap: no i didnt know it
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14:27<DreaDy>join #backtrack-es
14:27<HakanBey>kleanchap: how i configure my wi fi with wicd?
14:27<DreaDy>hi hakanbey
14:27<DreaDy>yo need this step
14:27<HakanBey>hi
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14:27<kleanchap>You can install wicd....."aptitude install wicd" and that is easier way to configure your wifi.
14:27<DreaDy>1 .- sudo /etc/init.d/wicd start
14:28<DreaDy>and after this
14:28<DreaDy>2.- sudo update-rc.d wicd defaults
14:28<DreaDy>;)
14:28<DreaDy>this only if you have install wicd in your system
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14:29<kleanchap>HakanBey, If you set this up, then you do not have to setup "root" login thru GDM. However, I do prefer to have the option to be able to login as root to check my system.
14:29<HakanBey>i will try :) thanks a lot Dready and kleanchap. :) i am very pleased to meet you :)
14:29*kleanchap is from old school *nix user community.
14:29<kleanchap>Good luck!
14:29<HakanBey>thanks :)
14:29<kleanchap>I was in the same boat couple of weeks ago with Debian. ;-)
14:30<HakanBey>i hope be like you :) couple of weeks later ;)
14:31<HakanBey>sorry my bad english :)
14:31<kleanchap>:-) You will be there...probably ahead of me. Good luck!
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14:31<kleanchap>Your english better than I can speak your mother tounge (whatever that is).
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14:32<HakanBey>:))
14:32<brx016>hello
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14:33<brx016>helo..
14:33<brx016>can any one help me on something
14:33<eriky>maybe?
14:34<brx016>on backtrack
14:34<eriky>what's the problem?
14:34<ml|>dpkg: backtrack
14:34<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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14:34<brx016>can backtrack used for hacking but not for wireless
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14:35<DreaDy>hi brx016 wwhat is your problem
14:35<DreaDy>?
14:35<eriky>what do you mean?
14:35<brx016>can i talk with you in private
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14:36<DreaDy>ok
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14:37<brx016>but i dont know i am noob trying to learn
14:37<ml|>brx016: read what dpkg said /join #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net.
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14:38<brx016>dready
14:38<brx016>jion #backtrack-linux
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14:39<DreaDy>how change of rooms ?
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14:39<DreaDy>which a comand for change of room ?
14:40<ml|>do /server irc.freenode.net then /join #backtrack-linux
14:41<brx016>rightclick on #backtrack-linux
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14:43<bremner>hackers rightclick?
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14:43*bremner un-snarks
14:43<ml|>heh
14:43<odla>how can i access my windows laptop remotely from my debian box? would i use vinagre and would this allow me to literally plug up my desktop and view it? basically, if possible, i'd like to be able to remotely access my laptop and see the desktop and interact with it. i could also install ubuntu on it via their wubi-installer if this would be easier to access ubuntu from my debian box
14:44<odla>s plug/pull
14:44<astronut>odla: there are a variety of solutions. Remote desktop is built into certain versions of windows and there are clients for linux, otherwise VNC is a very popular solution - i've never heard of vinagre
14:45<astronut>ah, vinagre's just a vnc client
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14:45<odla>astronut, so how would i do it if i installed ubuntu on that machine? what would i need to do on the ubuntu end and the debian end
14:45<ml|>dpkg: tell odla about vnc
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14:46<odla>fyi just using ubuntu because i can't repartition my work laptop and wubi allows me to install it like an application, i believe
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14:46<brx016>al pendrive are slow to install backtrack on them
14:47<brx016>all*
14:47<brx016>?
14:47<ml|>can use rdesktop if the windows version you are using suports that
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14:47<ml|>*supports
14:47<PT>Has anyone ever had an issue whereby after installing glib2.0 has caused the login screen to fail, ie i have the x grey mesh and the curser loading but no login prompt?
14:48<odla>ml|, ok i'll take a look at that
14:48<ml|>dpkg: tell odla about rdesktop
14:48<PT>looking at gdm logs the main problem seems to be related to "hal"
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14:53<PT_>did any1 answer my question, quit by mistake
14:53<ml|>no
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14:58<philippe_>hui needs cc
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15:03<supaman>hey, how should I tell grub which is set to boot up debian, to allow me to boot ubuntu which is on partition sd15?
15:04<supaman>I have tried root (hd3,14), kernel path-to-kernel, initrd path-to-initrd ... but then I get file not found
15:04<supaman>hd3 is the right disk btw
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15:05<ks3>supaman: What is the filesystem on your Ubuntu partition?
15:05<supaman>ks3: ext4
15:05<supaman>ks3: its the 9.10 version
15:05<ks3>supaman: Was grub installed from Debian or Ubuntu?
15:05<supaman>ks3: debian stable
15:06<ks3>supaman: Not positive, but I don't believe the debian stable grub understands ext4
15:06<supaman>ks3: hmm .. I know the kernel doesnt .. but that grub doesnt I did not know
15:06<ml|>won't work, can't boot from ext4 on grub-legacy on debian
15:07<dr|z3d>supaman: You might want to look at deploying grub2.
15:07<supaman>bugger :-)
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15:07<supaman>ok, I have an unstable debian here also
15:07<supaman>can use that instead
15:08<supaman>but how do I then tell my MBR to look at that one instead of the legacy one?
15:08<stroyan>supaman: If you escape into edit mode in grub you can use tab completion to confirm what partitions and files it can read.
15:08<ml|>you need to install/use grub-pc on debian
15:08<supaman>grub-install?
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15:09<ml|>just know grub2 works differently than grub
15:10<supaman>ml|: yes, I have debian unstable here also, and that has grub2, but the MBR is told to look at grub legacy on /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/hda1 where the grub2 recides ... how do I update my MBR?
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15:12<stroyan>supaman: Perhaps you could tell the current grub to use that grub2 partition and then chainloader to boot from it.
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15:13<odla>ok so i install vncserver on windows but i can't quite figure out how to connect to it via my vnc client, vinagre. what would be my host for the server
15:13<stroyan>supaman: If they are on different disks you could just use the bios boot selection to pick the disk with grub2 this time and then grub-install from there.
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15:14<supaman>stroyan: ok, what exactly does grub-install do?
15:14<supaman>stroyan: just so I understand a bit what I am doing :-)
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15:15<stroyan>supaman: grub-install sets up the MBR. But if you are choosing between different disks instead of different partitions then the BIOS setting will be the place to change which drive to boot from.
15:15<supaman>the man page description "install GRUB on your drive" is not really descriptive :-)
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15:16<supaman>ok then .. I will try this out .. thanks a bunch
15:16<odla>is there a way to find the host that my windows laptop would be? i am kind of confused
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15:17<ml|>supaman: read the bottom on the manpage ;)
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15:19<stroyan>odla: The IP address of a windows laptop is really a networking issue independent of vnc. If you don't assign a fixed address to the laptop then you may find it using 'nmblookup laptopname'.
15:19<kleanchap>Is Iceweasel a light weight version Firefox? Or is it built specifically for Debian?
15:20<odla>stroyan, what if i don't know the laptop name
15:20<astronut>kleanchap: it is just unbranded
15:20<kleanchap>astronut, What is its purpose? To be added to the pool of browsers?
15:20<astronut>!tell kleanchap about iceweasel
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15:21<astronut>kleanchap: basically it's just missing the logo from firefox
15:21<stroyan>odla: Then you could look through the laptop windows GUI to find its name and/or IP address. That really isn't a debian topic.
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15:21<odla>stroyan, and then that should i allow me to connect via vinagre?
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15:22<hachi>is there a way to install debian on an intel mac without using boot camp?
15:22<hachi>an actual efi installer image of some kind
15:23<stroyan>odla: If your vnc server is started correctly on the windows laptop and you can figure out its name/address then you should be able to connect to it with vinagre.
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15:25*QF needs help with non-working mouse after X11 upgrade
15:26<QF>is there a command-line util for determining whether or not /dev/.../mouse is actually working?
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15:26<Gathond>cat?
15:26<QF>well, how do i tell which device the mouse is assigned to?
15:26<stroyan>hachi: Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook and grub-efi and elilo. It doesn't look very tempting because of lacking 3D acceleration.
15:27<hachi>stroyan: that's what I've been reading
15:27<Gathond>try it, or just use /dev/input/mice?
15:27<hachi>but I can't find an installer that actually boots
15:27<Gathond>that is the combined input, or try them
15:27<hachi>none of those instructions say what installer to use
15:27<Gathond>cat it then wiggle the mouse and see when stuff happens (tm)
15:27<QF>what am I supposed to see? I just tried it but moving the mouse / clicking produces no output
15:28<Gathond>junk text:)
15:28<Gathond>ÿþüüùøöö8ìú8÷ý8÷û8øü8ùû8ûú8ûù8üô(û(û(ü(ü(þ( is what my brief test gave:)
15:28<QF>well i see nothing :-(
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15:28<QF>hal-device does show an entry for it, so HAL is working AFAIK
15:30<QF>hmmm... just noticed this line in kern.log: "logips2pp: Detected unknown logitech mouse model 89"
15:31<QF>it's weird 'cos 2 lines down, it recognizes it as a ImExPS/2 Logitech Explorer Mouse
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15:31<ml|>nice, that macbook wiki page explains a lot
15:32<QF>also, it was working perfectly yesterday, and only stopped working after a reboot... so I've no idea where to look
15:33<stroyan>QF: The 'input-utils' package has 'lsinput' and 'input-events' commands that could tell more about what is found and working.
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15:46<kleanchap>How do I add a nice wallpaper for the grub in Debian?
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15:47<dr|z3d>!fgi kleanchap grub+boot+change+wallpaper+howto
15:47<dpkg>kleanchap: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=grub+boot+change+wallpaper+howto
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15:58<VaultDweller>Hey everyone
15:58<VaultDweller>Stupid question, I know..
15:58-!-flower [~d@cc305009-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
15:58<VaultDweller>But, does Debian lenny, support Hyper-V?
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15:59<QF>stroyan: thanks, i'll try that
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16:01<ml|>dpkg: hyper-v
16:01<dpkg>hmm... hyper-v is a non-free system virtualization product from Microsoft. It is not supported in #debian. An installation procedure for using Debian as a guest operating system is available at http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsServerHyperV . See also <virtualization>.
16:01<criticaL>dpkg: noob
16:01<dpkg>Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not.
16:01<criticaL>:D
16:01<xente>dpkg: what
16:01<dpkg>This!
16:02<criticaL>this bots are funny
16:02<criticaL>dpkg: whats up man?
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16:02<dpkg>criticaL: wish i knew
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16:02<xente>what parameters can the dpkg bot take?
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16:02<ml|>xente: /msg dpkg help and dpkgbot
16:02<xente>ml|: thanks
16:02<ml|>np
16:03<QF>lol @dpkg bot
16:03<QF>ok, so I installed input-utils, and input-events on the mouse device shows no activity
16:04<QF>i suppose this means it's a kernel driver issue
16:05<stroyan>QF: input-events expects to be run outside of the X server.
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16:05<QF>oh really?
16:05<QF>hmm so i have to quit X before using it?
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16:06<stroyan>QF: Try just using <ctrl><alt><F1> to switch away from the X server. And <ctrl><alt><F7> to get back to X.
16:06<QF>oh so it just wants a text VT? alright, here goes...
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16:07<QF>nope, no events at all
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16:07<stroyan>QF: lsinput shows the device and you gave input-events that device number?
16:07<QF>yep
16:08<stroyan>QF: You may have a healthy kernel and a dead mouse.
16:08<QF>that's odd, though, 'cos it was working perfectly yesterday
16:08<criticaL>lalz
16:08<QF>OTOH it may be a KVM issue
16:08<criticaL>he is a bot qf ;)
16:08<criticaL>only telling that for what he is programmed for :)
16:08<QF>really?
16:08<QF>haha
16:08<criticaL>:D
16:09<stroyan>criticaL: Drat's! You have found me out! ;-)
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16:09<QF>i must be behind the times...
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16:10<QF>(har har)
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16:10<retrospectacus>try another mouse
16:11*QF is trying to plug it in directly instead of via KVM
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16:12<QF>AHA! it's a KVM issue
16:12<QF>the KVM is not reporting the correct mouse model, apparently
16:12<QF>plugging it directly into the USB port works perfectly
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16:14<QF>anybody here knows how to fix the KVM? :-(
16:14<criticaL>problem solved :D
16:15<QF>well, sortof... now i know what the problem *is*
16:15<criticaL>installed debian 3 days ago, dont know really something about configs, did u google that?
16:15<QF>now i've to figure out how to fix/workaround the stupid KVM problem
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16:18<criticaL>how long do u use debian?
16:18<QF>is there a way to tell force the kernel driver to a specific model?
16:18<QF>i think the problem is that the KVM is not reporting the right model so the kernel uses the wrong driver
16:18*QF has been using debian for ... oh... 15 years or so now?
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16:20<QF>actually wait a sec... maybe it's the USB->PS/2 converter that has failed... lemme try that
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16:22<QF>hmm... the PS/2 converter is working... so it must be the KVM itself that's acting up
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16:24*QF hates KVMs... wish i didn't have to use it
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16:33<oznt>hi guys, can someone tell me what {a} means in aptitude ?
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16:35<ml|>iirc, automatically installed
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16:37*QF bangs his head against the wall... ARRGGGH... all I needed to do was to push the "reset" button at the back of the KVM
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16:37<QF>can't believe i spent the entire morning editing X11 configs and fiddling with HAL trying to fix this stupid problem
16:37<QF>when all it took was pushing a stupid reset button!!
16:37<ml|>!congratulate QF
16:37<dpkg>Huzzah QF, you did it!
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16:38*s_i_m thinks he missed something interesting...
16:38<QF>heh thanks
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16:38<QF>nah, just that my KVM is malfunctioning (or was), and I spent all morning wondering why my mouse appeared to be dead
16:39<ml|>has being a while since I used a kvm or I'd would have suggested that ;)
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16:39<QF>hehe i know
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16:39<matt55>#pirateradio
16:39<QF>i feel dumb... this isn't the first time the KVM acted up
16:39<ml|>but goo reminder heh ;)
16:39<QF>that should've been the first thing I tried
16:39<ml|>*good
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16:39<QF>oh well
16:39<ml|>yes and/or bypass the kvm
16:39<QF>i better get back to doing real work now :-P
16:40<ml|>heh
16:40<Nemoder>well at least it wasn't udev randomly remapping buttons whenever you started an app grmblgrmbl
16:40<QF>i wish i could... but the physical location of the box and the fact that I need to switch between two boxes makes bypassing the KVM impractical
16:41<QF>nemoder: haha i feel your pain... my other box right now has a bad case of eth* remapping
16:41<Nemoder>QF: you might look into synergy if you have two monitors
16:41<QF>i spent a long time trying to figure out why the network wasn't accessible from that box
16:42<QF>it was just 'cos the eth* labels got permuted ... grrr
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16:42<QF>i only have 1 monitor and 1 kbd/mouse, which is why they gave me a KVM switch
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16:43<Nemoder>synergy shares mouse+kb over network, but still need separate vid
16:43<QF>ah i see
16:43<QF>i suppose i could do X11 over ethernet if I *really* wanted to bypass the KVM that badly
16:44<QF>anyways, thanks everyone for the help
16:44<QF>gotta go
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17:01<hatta_>how do I get read write access to ntfs partition?
17:01<hatta_>I have my ntfs partition mounted rw, and even as root I cannot create a file
17:01<BlackFate>hatta_, apt-get install ntfs-3g
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17:02<BlackFate>and remount disk with ntfs-3g fs
17:02<hatta_>oh ok
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17:03<Mike632T>Anyone tried following the instructions for installing KDE from http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html ?
17:03<Mike632T>In particular - how do I install KDE4 without upgrading the rest of my system to sid..?
17:04<hatta_>that did the trick
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17:05<SeLEct>Hello people, i have a question. I wonder how it's possible to change the name/dir of phpmyadmin. So people can't access it via ip/phpmyadmin/ Like maybe change it's name, or add IP to secure it.
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17:10<SeLEct>No one around?
17:10<ml|>maybe just change the permissions so root is the only one that can rw ; but I don't use phpmyadmin
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17:11<SeLEct>Well it was easy on ubuntu, there was a vhost file on apache, just needed to change the alias
17:11<SeLEct>But can't find that file on debian
17:11<SeLEct>but i'll recheck
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17:12<ml|>SeLEct: /msg dpkg phpmyadmin <--- might help
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17:13<SeLEct>ml| fixed it m8 :)
17:13<SeLEct>thanks
17:13<ml|>how?
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17:47<gnude>hello
17:48<gnude>anybody here for chatting?
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17:59<obeone>hi all
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17:59<o_be_one>Sniff ... I have down my grub2 :/
17:59<o_be_one>running Squeeze
17:59<steve_>obeone hello
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17:59<o_be_one>i have put a live usb with ubuntu 9.10 to use gparted
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18:00<o_be_one>because my / wasnt enought memory (only 340MB ...) so with gparted i have remove SWAP part and put 512MB of him in my / then i have create a new swap
18:00<steve_>o_be_one, cool
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18:01<o_be_one>and now, when i boot ... Grub saying "grub rescue" "config file not found" :(
18:01<steve_>o_be_one, what is in your /boot directory?
18:02<o_be_one>i have search on google some answers ... but no answer to resolve my problem, i have try Debian with the rescue mode but the grub reinstall integrated won't work :/
18:02<o_be_one>my /boot directory is composed by kernel and grub with a good grub.cfg
18:03<steve_>o_be_one, and have you re-run grub?
18:03<o_be_one>(grub folder in /boot)
18:03<o_be_one>by rebooting ?
18:03<steve_>o_be_one, no, re-run the grub setup utility
18:03<o_be_one>with the rescu mode of Debian DVD ?
18:04<steve_>o_be_one, yep
18:04<o_be_one>(i have Debian Netinst ... But it contains the Rescue mode) i've already tried with the grub reinstallator in the rescue mode but it says that is an error
18:04<o_be_one>a serious error
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18:04<o_be_one>"fatal error" sorry
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18:05<cesurasean>i need to start hanging out in here more often than on facebook. heh
18:05<ml|>you need to use a livecd that has grub2, if that is what is needed
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18:05<o_be_one>can't install ... When i try to launch the console with the /, it works and i can read files or look space with df -h ...
18:06<o_be_one>ml|, you think that i need to use a grub2 disk ?
18:07<o_be_one>ive simply remove swap with gparted, allocate more space in / and remake swap part ... it's curious this bug :|
18:07<ml|>you are using grub2 right, so yes a livecd that has grub2; but I don't know about your issue
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18:08<o_be_one>ubuntu 9.10 live has grub2, so you think i can try to "grub-install /dev/sda7" ? (/dev/sda7 is my / folder that contains /boot)
18:09<o_be_one>(but i want grub in MBR, so "grub-install /dev/sda" i think no ?)
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18:11<Name1ess>ona another topic, I installed Debian / KDE without a sound card in the system. Once I install a sound card, what am I gonna have to go through to get it working?
18:12<dkr>Name1ess: run alsaconf
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18:13<ml|>o_be_one: that should work, if that is what you need to do
18:13<Name1ess>dkr: that should take care of everything then?
18:13<o_be_one>ml|, i simply want to remake my grub2 works good to choose Windows or Debian boot :D
18:13<dkr>Name1ess: yeah, it probes and writes an appropriate config
18:14<Name1ess>dkr: thanks :)
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18:18<o_be_one>ml|, steve_, in debianfr chat, someone thinks that part has changed theyr name
18:19<o_be_one>in my grub.cfg, for debian root=hd0,8 but i am using the rescue mode of debian and it says that my / is in sda7
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18:21<ml|>grub2 starts from 1 not 0
18:21<ml|>In other words, devices are still numbered from 0, but partitions start with 1
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18:22<o_be_one>ml|, so if grub say hd0,8, its sda7 in reality ?
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18:23<edhunter>hd0,8 in grub2 should be sda8
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18:26<o_be_one>ok i see, so if my grub config file says hd0,8, it can be why my grub cant find the config file ... my /boot is in sda7 now .....
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18:28<ml|>yes, edhunter is right; there are some links here to help you http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=48382
18:29<o_be_one>thank you :)
18:29<o_be_one>so i think that i need to reinstall grub2 like you have already say, ml|
18:30<o_be_one>to set config to be in /dev/sda7 and no /dev/sda8
18:31<ml|>if you are sure where you / is
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18:31<ml|>your*
18:31<o_be_one>when i load sda7, i have /boot with grub.cfg readable
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18:31<o_be_one>and when grub is in rescue mode, it says "hd(0,8)" when i type "set"
18:33<o_be_one>i can try in grub rescue set root=sda7
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18:34<interbird>o_be_one: hd(0,8) corresponds to /dev/hda9 or /dev/sda9
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18:34<o_be_one>in grub, ml| has said that grub begin with 1 and not 0
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18:35<interbird>root=sda7 corresponds to grub hd(0,6)
18:36<ml|>hd(0,7) with grub2
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18:37<interbird>ahh, sorry, just joined; grub2 is a different story
18:37<interbird>ml|: so hd(0,0) does not exist in grub2 ?
18:38<ml|>right, for partitions
18:38<o_be_one>when i type ls cmd
18:38<o_be_one>i havent hd(0,0)
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18:39<wizzl>hello
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18:39<ml|>o_be_one: read those links before you continue
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18:41<interbird>ml|: Does setup (hd -- and then tab to enumberate still exists in grub2 if you know?
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18:42<SQlvpapir>I see ipmasq is no more in Debian when squeeze is released. if I need dhcp+NAT in a simple package, what choices do I have?
18:43<ml|>interbird: I did install grub2 a while back, but don't recall
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18:43<interbird>o_be_one: sorry, the syntax is: (hd0,6) and not hd(0,6) -- ^
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18:44<ml|>interbird: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=48382 for some grub2 reading
18:44<interbird>o_be_one: are you in the coand-prompt of grub ?
18:44<interbird>s/coand/command/
18:45<ml|>interbird: at this point he is trying to reinstall grub2 to /dev/ using a livecd
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18:46<interbird>ml|: grub2 to /dev ??
18:46<ml|>left out the /dev/...
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18:47<interbird>i'm pretty sure grub2 has the same device-naming as grub legacy: (hd0,0) for /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1
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18:48*interbird is verifying that...
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18:51<interbird>99.9% sure grub2 has the same naming for devices as grub1 (legacy); (hd0) is the first block-device grub sees; (hd0,0) the first partition on that device. (aka hda1 or sda1 under linux)
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18:54<niriven>I'm not sure if im allowed to ask this here but i am wondering where the weekly amd64 testing builds have gone?
18:54<ml|>interbird: devices are still numbered from 0, but partitions start with 1
18:55<flaarg>interbird: (hd0,1) is first partition on first hard disk
18:55<locklace>interbird: i.e. - fail.
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18:58<interbird>locklace: check; (hd0,8) in grub1 is now (hd(0,9)in grub2; interbird fails indeed.
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19:03<interbird>That makes (hd0,0) non-existant in grub2 ?
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19:05<o_be_one>ok all works :D
19:05<o_be_one>ml|, i've reinstalled grub with ubuntu live usb
19:05<o_be_one>grub2 works good now, my debian boot great :)
19:05<ml|>!congratulate o_be_one
19:05<dpkg>Huzzah o_be_one, you did it!
19:06<o_be_one>lol ^^
19:07<interbird>!slap interbird
19:07*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across interbird's face
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19:07<ml|>o_be_one: so when you resized with gparted it screwed up grub2 right?
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19:11<Flimzy>I have a file server running a 5x500gb RAID5 array. I recently moved, and upon booting the machine, found that 2 drives had fallen out of the array. I re-added them, and things seemed fine... an fsck was required--no surprise. But now every file larger than a few kb is corrupted. It's almost as if the two drives were re-inserted into the array in the wrong order or something. This shouldn't be possible, should it? What might have cause
19:11<Flimzy>d my corruption?
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19:13<interbird>the move...
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19:15<interbird>but seriously; there are may raid-systems and ways to set it up and file-systems to install, so you do not provide enought info to determine that; insufficient data
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19:17<interbird>s/may/many/
19:20<interbird>although i'm 99.9% sure you are using hardware-raid
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19:33<Flimzy>interbird: Linux software RAID
19:33<Flimzy>sorry... failed to mention that bit
19:34<locklace>your record of 99.9% surety is looking less than stellar
19:34<Flimzy>hehe
19:34<interbird>!slap hard interbird
19:34*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across hard interbird's face
19:36<interbird>Glad dpkg does not notice the harder part
19:36<ml|>heh, should it be 1% then?
19:36<interbird>Flimzy: and on what filesystem were the files > 1k corrupt ?
19:37<Flimzy>interbird: I'm running ext3 on top of LVM on top of software RAID5
19:37<interbird>hehe:-)
19:37<Flimzy>I've lost hope of recovering my data...
19:37<Flimzy>I'm just more at a loss as to how the corruption occurred in the first place.
19:38<Flimzy>Lesson learned: RAID does not replace backups. *sigh*
19:38<ml|>hard lesson to learn
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19:38<abojuree>hi
19:38<Flimzy>Now I have to download allll my pr0n again!
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19:39<ml|>have fun doing it ;)
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19:39<interbird>it looks bad; possibly why files < 1k are ok is because the might be stored in the tail of another file; dunno if ext3 does that; reiser3 does; but it looks bad; why did you not run fsck with the -n flag first (after the move) ?
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19:41<interbird>ah, so nothing is actually lost...
19:42<Flimzy>interbird: B/c I figured the problem was just that I had done an unclean shutdown or something, and a quick fsck would fix it.
19:42<kingsley>Is there a safe way to see if your swap partition can be enlarged on a live system?
19:42<Flimzy>interbird: The only thing I lost of value was about 5 years of vacation photos.
19:42<Flimzy>interbird: The rest was illegal movies and mp3s :)
19:44<dr|z3d>Illegal movies and mp3s? What did they do? Mow down a schoolyard for of kids?
19:44*dr|z3d winks.
19:44<interbird>kingsly: you could try parted; with that you can enlarge the swap if there is room; BUT you'll be latering your harddisk-layout and you would have to remount swap on the live-cd or reboot from it; Assuming als the disk-rearrangements work and you know what you are doing.
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19:47<Tuplad>I've downloaded a bunch of files, is there anything with which I can check for duplicates?
19:47<Flimzy>So to change topic slightly... What do people here recommend for offsite data backups? Are there any services worth paying for that work well with Linux?
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19:47<interbird>Flimzy: If it was your development-system i'd go into telling you the i-node where it all went wrong :-)
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19:48<interbird>Yeah, a usb-harddisk and a bike
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19:49<Flimzy>har har
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19:51<ml|>have two backups one that you can have at hand and another with family or someone you trust; if you are really serious use one those cloud services ;)
19:52<dr|z3d>Flimzy: Offsite data backups? Use a usb thumb drive.
19:53<Flimzy>dr|z3d: Sorry... I should have specified... I'd like a *reliable* offsite backup :)
19:53<interbird>you see? now you know where to go on the bike with your usb-harddisk... to your family :-)
19:53<dr|z3d>16GB capacity drives are cheap as chips.. and they go bigger.. up to 64GB I think.
19:53<Flimzy>dr|z3d: NTM, something large enough to hold my important data without swapping disks 8 times.
19:53<dr|z3d>The backup is only as reliable as the backup operator.
19:53<dkr>Flimzy: I use rdiff-backup to my own geographicaly separated systems, :)
19:53<Flimzy>dkr: I could probably pull that off... using some work servers. My boss would probably agree to it.
19:54<Flimzy>dkr: rsync.net looks fairly reasonably priced as well, tho.
19:54<Flimzy>dr|z3d: And the backup media.
19:54<interbird>your boss agrees to backup-up pr0n ?
19:54<ml|>rsnapshot is another option
19:54<Flimzy>interbird:I won't be backing up pr0n :P
19:55<interbird>then, what's left ?
19:55<dkr>config files?
19:55*dkr smirks
19:55<Flimzy>hehe
19:55<ml|>heh
19:57<interbird>like those files you just need to examine ?
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20:08<niriven>so no insights as to where the amd64 weekly testing build went? or even if it will ever exist? :)
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20:09<Flimzy>Is Duplicity a good tool? It supports Amazon S3, which is cheaper than rsync.net
20:09<Flimzy>(of course S3 is far less flexible than rsync.net)
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20:11<interbird>abrotman: Lenny did not solve my probbie (broadband-connection needing kernel>=2.6.28) but i'd like to mention that a version of GNU/Linux is installed and one XP is pending to be removed. Thanks for your help in pointing out that with a little efford Linux can be grafted.
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20:18<silensius>how can i test real downstream proposed by my internet provider
20:19<interbird>download a cdro-iso or so
20:19<dr|z3d>!fgi silensius online+bandwidth+test
20:19<dpkg>silensius: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=online+bandwidth+test
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20:20<silensius>thanks dpkg
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20:23<Name1ess>I can't seem to find firefox in Kpackage .. only 'iceweasel'. Do I have to install it from the firefox web page, or am I searching wrong?
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20:23<interbird>iceweasel is the Debian version of firefox
20:23<dr|z3d>Name1ess: Install IceWeasel.. it's the same deal
20:23<niriven>Name1ess, iceweasel is firefox, just named differntly :)
20:23<dr|z3d>(sans branding)
20:24<loopback>hi all guys
20:24<Name1ess>allright - thanks
20:25<interbird>Icedove is like Thunderbird mail...
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20:28<Name1ess>interbird: noted, thx
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20:38<[Jason]>Hey, I was wondering if anyone has an idea if compiling and running 2.6.32 on lenny without upgrading everything else to unstable would work? I'm interested in the Hyper-V drivers
20:39<dr|z3d>[Jason]: Should work ok.. keep your older kernel around just in case it doesn;t.
20:39<[Jason]>Alright, I'll give it a try then. Thanks :)
20:40<adb>[Jason], worked here ;)
20:41<[Jason]>Lol, good sign then.
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20:42<loopback>bye
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20:47<o_be_one>ml|, no idea about if the resize has screwed up grub ... but its a possibility ...
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20:50<o_be_one>good night !:)
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20:53<Name1ess>^^^ that's me
20:53<ravenbird>Name1ess: I wish you would RTFM.
20:53<Arioch>^^^^^ confirmed
20:53<ravenbird>Arioch: I don't know.
20:54<Name1ess>ravenbird: which manual in particular?
20:54<ravenbird>Name1ess: wish I knew
20:54*Name1ess detects a bot
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20:57<olpc_fan>Iceweasel displays numbers instead of Chinese characters. I've installed several font packs, but issue persists. Any ideas?
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20:59<Arioch>olpc_fan: the only time I've seen an issue like that was in mIRC under Windows - I had to tell mIRC to display and encode as UTF-8
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21:00<olpc_fan>Arioch: I have it set to UTF-8. Maybe I don't have the right font pack?
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21:01<Arioch>olpc_fan: I am real new to *Nix, just tossed an idea out there to try. No idea about any different resolution, sorry.
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21:07<craigevil>olpc_fan: you might take a look at http://linux.bihlman.com/2009/10/16/debian-chinese-how-to/
21:08<olpc_fan>craigevil: nice
21:10<craigevil>olpc_fan: not sure if its needed but did you install iceweasel-l10n-zh-cn as well as the needed fonts
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21:14<olpc_fan>craigevil: cool, I've got it mostly working, I think I just need some more font packs. thanks :)
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21:53<Guest2951>How can I change my screen resolution, I'm NOT running X, I just have the base system installed.
21:55<bremner>Guest2951: what do you mean exactly by resolution? pixels? characters?
21:55<Guest2951>Yes pixels.
21:57<dr|z3d>Guest2852: Set the screenmode in grub.
21:59<Guest2951>I'll try that.
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22:12<drbanzai>Is there anyway to run a BOOTP server on a network with an exsisting DHCP server?
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22:23<nethic>hi
22:24<nethic>i have a error when compiling my kernel
22:24<nethic>http://pastebin.com/m5f9853a7
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22:32<sam_>hi
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22:35<sam_>i still trying to figure out why after i did a dual boot installations and after completed no WindowsXP presented on the Grub menue. I install WinXP first then Debian GNU/Linux.
22:36<sney`>sam_: is it grub1 or grub2?
22:38<sam_>it is grub. to be exact GNU GRUB VERSION 1.98~20100101-1
22:38<abrotman>sam_: aptitude install os-prober
22:38<sam_>what is it mean? sorry
22:39<sney`>that is a command you have to run
22:39<sam_>where do i run it ? here?
22:39<sney`>in a terminal window,
22:40<sam_>what will it do? i know that i will see when i run it
22:40<sney`>it will install the program os-prober that grub can use to detect windows
22:41<sam_>ok thanks
22:41<sam_>i am giving it a try now
22:41<sney`>after you install os-prober you must update-grub
22:41*abrotman thought it did as part of the install
22:41<sam_>ok i will need help on upgrading grub after this ok. thanks
22:41<sney`>maybe it does, it didn't when I installed it, but that was a while ago
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22:48<sam_>ok i did it. Now do i just restart the system then?
22:49<Mish->I have 150 servers using LDAP for authentication. All run NSCD for caching. Five are not caching at all. One Debian 5 server out of 100 is not caching, NSCD is running, but no queries seem to pass through it. Any ideas?
22:50<abrotman>sam_: if you want to see if it's in the grub menu ...
22:50<sam_>yes
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23:03<twb>Is there a way to get the (non-loopback) IPv4 addresses of a machine, without parsing the output of ip addr / ifconfig?
23:03<twb>I'm looking through /sys/ and can't see anything but the MAC
23:03<Guest2963>
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23:20<knoppix_>hola
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23:21<knoppix_>hay alguien que hable espanol
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23:21<drbanzai>Is there anyway to run a BOOTP server on a network with an existing DHCP server?
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23:27<twb>drbanzai: BOOTP *is* DHCP
23:28<drbanzai>Hmmm...ok...How about a tftp server then? On a box other then the DHCP server
23:28<twb>You can run a TFTP server anywhere.
23:29<twb>But if you want to netboot clients, they must either be hardcoded to use that TFTP server's IP address, or your DHCP server must include the "next-server" datum in its DHCPACK.
23:29<drbanzai>twb, Ahhh, ok thanks!
23:30<twb>Hint: try describing the end goal, not an intermediary goal.
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23:32<drbanzai>twb, Ok, I'm trying to install Debian on a laptop with 16mb ram, and no cd-rom. I was hoping to boot off the network with a rom-o-matic floppy disk.
23:32<twb>drbanzai: can it boot from USB?
23:32<drbanzai>twb, It has no usb
23:33<twb>Does its NIC have a PXE ROM?
23:33<drbanzai>Nope
23:33<twb>Then how do you intend to netboot?
23:33<drbanzai>It was my understanding that I could do so with a rom-o-matic boot floppy
23:34<twb>Oh, you can boot from a floppy.
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23:34<twb>I would normally use gPXE, but I don't know if it fits on a floppy.
23:34<twb>Ah, rom-o-matic is a wrapper or something for gPXE
23:35<drbanzai>And then I still need to talk my main Ubuntu box into being a server for it to boot from.
23:35<twb>drbanzai: on the Ubuntu box, you just need to apt-get install thingy...
23:36<twb>sudo aptitude install di-netboot-assistant
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23:36<twb>It will do everything for you
23:36<drbanzai>twb, Ahh, thank you again.
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23:37<adb>drbanzai, hm, 16mb ram it's so... low, try sarge on it , sarge boot from floppies
23:37<drbanzai>adb, My research indicated that woody was the newest that would install from floppies
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23:39<adb>http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/
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23:40<twb>Let's try qemu -m 16 -curses -hda x.img -kernel Debian5.0.3-i386.initrd -initrd Debian5.0.3-i386.initrd -append 'fb=false lowmem=2'
23:40<twb>Hmm. "qemu: linux kernel too old to load a ram disk"
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23:43<twb>Oops, because I'm passing the ramdisk as a kernel
23:43<twb>drbanzai: OK, in my bogus initial test, 16MB was not enough to load the Lenny netboot kernel and ramdisk
23:44<twb>Oops, I did -m16 instead of -m16M
23:44<twb>Nope, it still doesn't work.
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23:46<xpect0>hello
23:46<twb>drbanzai: 16MB is also not enough to load the oldstable netboot kernel and ramdisk.
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23:47<drbanzai>twb, Ok, well the closest I've gotten to getting it working, was to remove the HD from the laptop, connect it to my main box by usb, trick it into showing up as a real drive in a virtual machine, and installing that way. :)
23:48<drbanzai>twb, But now I can't get my pcmcia network card to work.
23:48<twb>drbanzai: yes, that might work.
23:49<twb>drbanzai: if this is for production use, you'd be better off paying a couple of hundred bucks for a current machine.
23:49<drbanzai>No, it's for bench marking some micro controller code, for fun and curiosity.
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23:56<twb>drbanzai: qemu wouldn't be easier?
23:57<drbanzai>twb, I don't know...can it emulate a slow cpu?
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23:57<twb>Ah, good point. I was only worrying about low memory.
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23:58<twb>drbanzai: maybe -icount ?
23:59<adb>drbanzai, aranym can emulate a slow cpu (motorola) ..
23:59<twb>adb: but does it emulate it at a slow speed?
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