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---Logopened Wed Jan 20 00:00:04 2010
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00:00<adb>yes
00:00<twb>OK. There's also qemu-system-m68k, FWIW
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00:04<gsimmons>drbanzai: WRT PCMCIA on your ThinkPad 701, is a socket driver loaded? You may need to modprobe i82365 in order to use the system's ISA-to-PCMCIA bridge.
00:05<drbanzai>gsimmons, Lemme try that, thanks.
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00:07<twb>Huh. qemu-system-x86_64 -cpu n270
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00:08<drbanzai>I rebooted it and now it can't find the pcmcia module directory
00:09<drbanzai>During the initial setup after install, it told me my system didn't need pcmcia and asked if it should remove it...I think I told it yes.
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00:10<ml|>os-prober only works with grub2?
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00:14<drbanzai>Wow it's late here...night all, and thanks for the help.
00:15<ml|>good night
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00:31<Shalavick>ìåíÿ òóò ïîíèìàþò?
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00:32<pcoronaf>hi
00:33<Shalavick>ýòî àíãëîÿçû÷íûé ÷àò?
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00:34<pcoronaf>i'm trying to remote control a pc behind NAT from another pc behind NAT, i have no chance to make port redirection on either sides, any help or experiences there?
00:35<HardwareFreak>From a W2K workstation I'm only getting ~6MB/s to/from my Lenny server. I've tested via both FTP and Samba. Server is a dual Celeron 550, Intel Pro 100FDX, 500GB SATA disk, kernel 2.6.31.1. I've tested to another winders workstation and get a little over 10MB/s. What can I do to increase the Lenny box's network throughput?
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00:39<twb>!tell Shalavick -about ru
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00:45<Shalavick>hi all
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00:48<ml|>HardwareFreak: from your explanation, it's an issue with the first windows box not lenny's; and if you are using 10/100 network card 10MB/s is the max you can achieve
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00:49<HardwareFreak>ml|: how do you come to that conclusion? The two windows boxen hit 10MB/s together.
00:50<gsimmons>ml|: Use of os-prober to detect other operating systems is available in grub2, not grub-legacy.
00:50<ml|>gsimmons: thanks, that's what I thought just making sure
00:51<twb>Does os-prober detect them on the fly?
00:52<ml|>HardwareFreak: seems I misunderstood; so the sencond was windows to windows?
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00:52<HardwareFreak>mi|: yeah. I hate that shit too, when Windows does some things better "out of the box" than Linux.
00:53<HardwareFreak>mi|: I just ran a transfer with top and CPU is only 6-8% for smbd, so it's not a CPU issue.
00:54<gsimmons>twb: Via /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober during grub-mkconfig, if os-prober is installed. It generates menu entries for those found.
00:54<pcoronaf>like the fact that windows has logmein and linux has nothig, i agree with you HwF
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00:54<ml|>seems weird never had an issue like that; is that using only samba or ftp too?
00:54<twb>gsimmons: ok, so it detects them at update-grub time, not at boot time
00:55<Albi>i like how windows only allows for 10 networking ports
00:55<HardwareFreak>ml|: both. ftp was actually slightly slower than samba, about 300kb/s, negligible, but slower.
00:56<twb>(I migrated to extlinux after grub-pc after the latter drove me insane.)
00:56<HardwareFreak>ml|: the remote winders machine (XP) is plugged into the same switch as the lenny server, and the W2K machine is on a remote switch uplinked to the first switch. So it's not a network hardware or cable issue.
00:56<twb>HardwareFreak: if you're on a trusted network, netcat/socat would be faster. Then there's firehose, but I can never find the source code for it...
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00:58<HardwareFreak>ml|: could ipofilter be getting in the way? I don't even have any iptables rules currently, but thought I'd ask.
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00:59<HardwareFreak>ipfilter that is, without the o
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01:01<Albi>question:: is there a version of debian that i can download that is only the files that are marked as "essential" (such as the "base-files" for one)
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01:02<ne07en>hi
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01:03<HardwareFreak>ml|: could heavy broadcast traffic be the culprit? I think I've got netbios enabled.
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01:04<ml|>if you have no rules I don't think so, with ftp you should be getting 10mb/s; when you did both tests where conditions the same?
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01:06<ml|>Albi: you can do a minimal install using netinst
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01:08<Albi>ml| the is that with the 150mb disc, theres debian discs that are 30mb, does the netinst disc have extra packages on it?
01:08<Albi>ml| and is there a list somewhere of what the minimal install will install
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01:14<ml|>Albi: yes 150mb /msg dpkg netinst ; don't know if there is a list somewhere, but I think the installer will tell you; has being a while since I used it, so not sure
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01:15<samaira>how to know the details of ethernet and wireless capable devices in my thinkpad r51 2887-mq5. using : lenny 5.0.5
01:15<samaira>lenny 5.0.3
01:17<Albi>ml| ive just finised downloading the business card version, so ill check it out in virtualbox, 150mb is ALOT
01:17<jmarsden>samaira: as root run lspci -v # or even lspci -vvv for really detailed info.
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01:23<opticon>i have samba on debian 5 other pcs on domain network cant see or connect to shares anyone have tips on something to check
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01:23<opticon>in samba config netbios says its enabled...
01:23<ml|>jmarsden: why as root?
01:24<twb>Albi: just download the mini.iso instead, then
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01:24<Albi>twb MINI.ISO?!?!?
01:24<twb>Albi: yes.
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01:25<jmarsden>ml|: Because man lspci says "Access to some parts of the PCI configuration space is restricted to root on many operating systems, so the features of lspci available to normal users are limited."
01:26<ml|>do the businesscard images also do minimal/base installs?
01:26<twb>ml|: all install media can do all kinds of install
01:26<jmarsden>ml|: Yes, they pull the minimal/base stuff over the network at install time. One way or the other you need to download it :)
01:26<Albi>twb what is this mini.iso that you speak of?
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01:27<twb>ml|: the difference is only what boot method is supported, and what packages are included in the pool.
01:27<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Albi -about mini.iso
01:28<ml|>ok, but netinst includes that so no need for network to do base/minimal install
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01:28<twb>You know how the ramdisk is typically a cpio.gz? Can the kernel handle .cpio.xz or .cpio.bz2 instead?
01:28<ml|>thanks for the info
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01:28<twb>ml|: I don't understand what you mean by that.
01:29<Albi>LOL is dpkg a bot?
01:29<sney>verily
01:29<sney>!confuse Albi
01:29<dpkg>No, how are your bacon yesterday, Albi? Wellies of the Republic of Tahiti with extra crabpaste.
01:29<ml|>yes, heh
01:29<Albi>lol, i was talking to him thinking he was a person
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01:29<jmarsden>ml|: Right, the netinst CD has more on it so it needs to pull less from the network during the install.
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01:30<twb>sney: is that a markov chain using the channel log as a corpus?
01:30<Albi>what i basically want is the gnu base system (with linux instead of hurd ofc), i dont want a gui or anything
01:30<ml|>jmarsden: thanks for the info
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01:30<jmarsden>You're welcome.
01:31<twb>Albi: just uncheck the "desktop" task at the end of the install
01:31<ml|>the installer will ask you what you want installed
01:31<Albi>twb, okee dokee, i will see, but does the business card iso have just the gnu coreutils and stuff or will it have to download it
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01:32<ml|>twb: what is it you don't understand?
01:32<jmarsden>Albi: I'm pretty sure it will have to download at least some of it. Try it and see :)
01:32<twb>ml|: 17:28 <ml|> ok, but netinst includes that so no need for network to do base/minimal install
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01:32<ml|>twb: read what jmarsden said ;)
01:32<jmarsden>twb: I think I deciphered that and responded to it already
01:33<twb>jmarsden: OK, whatever
01:33<Albi>jmarsden i shall, see coreutils is only 5mb though, thats basically all i want to run, but im not sure how to do that
01:33<Albi>or if its possible
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01:34<jm_>twb: newer kernels can handle bz2 and lzma compressed images, but there were some bugs in this area
01:34<twb>jm_: shiny
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01:47<Albi>jmarsden: it seems to be just downloadinig the whole base system
01:48<jmarsden>Albi: I thought so. As I said earlier to someone in this discussion, "One way or the other you need to download it :)"
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01:48<twb>Albi: a base install of Debian 5.0 will require a couple of hundred MB (uncompressed).
01:48<Albi>jmarsden: yeah, but i dont think its quite what i want, i want to basically run gnus core-utils
01:49<Albi>twb define base install
01:49<twb>Albi: if you're not already familiar with apt and dpkg, it is far to dangerous for you to try to reduce this.
01:49<twb>Albi: base as in packages with Essential: true or Priority: required.
01:49<Albi>twb does base install include a gui
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01:49<twb>Albi: certainly not
01:49<Albi>twb: yeah i want to see a list of those packages
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01:49<twb>Albi: aptitude search ~E ~Prequired
01:50<Albi>twb: in windows...
01:50<twb>Sorry, that should be ~E ~prequired
01:50<twb>Albi: I'm not licensed to run Windows, so I can't find out.
01:51<Albi>twb, is there a list on the internet tho?
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01:51<ml|>twb: the netinst page explains this much better, just did not notice that question and answer there before; ie what I asked before
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01:52<twb>Albi: I don't know.
01:52<jmarsden>Albi: If you need a super-customized minimalist installation, and have time to learn, see http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ and create your own.
01:52<twb>jmarsden: or Emdebian
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01:53<Albi>jmarsden: yeah ive read through a lot of that, it talks about building it from another version of linux, so its not exactly from scratch
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01:55<jmarsden>Albi: It uses an existing Linux machine as a build host. But whan you create is created "from scratch". What did you expect LFS to be about ... starting off entering zeroes and ones using toggle switches? then using those to create an assember... now that would be a *long* project :)
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01:56<jmarsden>twb: Emdebian would probably work too, though it probably stresses using busybox more than coreutils for basic utilities.
01:57<Albi>jmarsden: i was actually hoping something like that, yes, i'll have to take another look at it, but i wanted to build one by just having the core of gnu and working in bash or what not, im very familiar with dos so id probably use the dos terminology to explain which wouldnt help :P
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01:58<twb>jmarsden: there are two forms of emdebian
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01:58<twb>jmarsden: grip doesn't change the libc nor the coreutils
01:58<jmarsden>Albi: So install a "minimal" Debian from the netinst or bizcard CD and use that as a host to create your LFS super-tiny unique distro with.
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01:58<twb>jmarsden: also, I'd probably start from scratchbox rather than LFS for rolling special-purpose embedded distros.
01:59<twb>Not that there's anything wrong with LFS
01:59<Albi>jmarsden: lolol which brings me back to the very start of the whole thing, i want to download an installation cd which only has those files on it
02:00<jmarsden>Albi: That's confusing. If there were a CD image out there that had only exactly what you want in your super tiny distro, you'd have no need to create such a distro for yourself... so you are saying " I wish someone had created exactly the distro I want already".
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02:01<twb>The mini.iso CD is just enough to boot, then it will download only what you tell it to. This sounds like a minimal download to me...
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02:01<twb>If you REALLY need those to all be on one CD, I suppose you could hand-roll it with jigdo.
02:01<Albi>jmarsden: no not at all, i want debian, with only the essential files, so that i can work from there
02:02<kenyon>!mini.iso
02:02<dpkg>mini.iso is probably a super small ISO that utilizes the <netboot> images to fetch <d-i> and all components over the network. Only contains a boot loader, kernel and initrd, typcially ~8MB. Start at http://debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall and work your way until you find the mini.iso for your architecture.
02:02<twb>Albi: if this is for pedagogical purposes, LFS might be better.
02:02<Albi>twb: i have to google define that word :P
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02:03<jmarsden>Albi: The smallest usable Debian is the base install you get when you install from the netinst CD and don't download anything else, and don't install a GUI. Which is what was recommended to you some time back. We're going around in circles here.
02:03<Albi>twb nah its not, its more for my own learning, i know so much about windows because i grew up on dos, and 3.1
02:03<twb>Albi: that's what pedagogy means
02:03<jmarsden>Albi: If you are doing this to learn about Linux, LFS is a good way to go.
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02:04<Albi>jmarsden: thats what i asked in the first place and it wasnt answered, i asked for a disc with only the essential files
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02:05<jmarsden>Well, no you kept asking for a disk with only coreutils, and the netinst cd has more than that...
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02:05<jmarsden>Anyway, you are now on your way, whether you use the bizcard CD or netinst is not really a big deal for a single install.
02:06<Albi>it is with my internet
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02:07<lk>Hi all. I shrank an NTFS partition feature during a lenny install and it looks like that NTFS partition is inaccessible. Any suggestions?
02:07<Albi>the coreutils comment was a different proposition of my mind
02:07<jmarsden>Albi: netinst = 130MB. bizcard + downloading base install ~= 130MB or so. Right?
02:07<net>hi
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02:07<Albi>jmarsden: me trying to install something exactly perfectly right the way i want it = 23 installs
02:07<Albi>;) :P
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02:09<jmarsden>Albi: Since you'll only use it to create your LFS based creation, quit being picky and use the first install. Job done.
02:09<firefox>Moblock is blocking everything even though I added http and https http://pastebin.org/79073 blockcontrol.conf blockcontrol status http://pastebin.org/79075
02:09<Albi>jmarsden: im now downloading the netinst, its not about being picky its about me having full control
02:10<kenyon>Albi: it doesn't even matter, you can do whatever you want to the system after it's installed
02:10<Albi>kenyon: yeah but its the fact of me knowing where the packages are coming from, and i dont always have net access and everything, the list goes on
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02:11<kenyon>Albi: they come from whatever is in your sources.list
02:12<firefox>any ideas?
02:12<gsimmons>firefox: MoBlock is not supported here, please use their support forum for assistance ; /msg dpkg moblock
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02:13<Albi>kenyon: or it can come from the cd, and it dont come from no sources list if it cant access it ;)
02:13<ml|>Albi: with netinst download once do as many base installs as you want, without internet access
02:13<firefox>awww... forums. ty though
02:13*twb hugs proxy-based blocking, since it's browser-agnostic
02:14<Albi>ml| defiantly planning on it thankyou
02:14<Albi>thankyou to everybody that helped as well
02:14<Albi>as frustrating as it was for you :P it's cleared up a little for me
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02:14<ml|>twb: heh, privoxy?
02:14<firefox>I really wish they had an irc... if anyone does have an idea let me know.. time to troll some forums =/
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02:16<twb>ml|: good gods, no
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02:19<twb>ml|: http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/polipo/manual/Privoxy.html
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02:23<Albi>they should make internet explorer for linux
02:24<Albi>TROLL TROLL TROLL
02:24<twb>!tell Albi -about ies4linux
02:24<twb>Hmph
02:24<Albi>lol
02:24<Albi>i want to have a go
02:24<twb>Albi: you can run that shit under wine.
02:24<twb>If you have an x86 system, that is.
02:24<Albi>!tell twb -about trollin
02:24<Albi>i dont really want to run it
02:25<Albi>im happy with firefox
02:25<sney>!tell Albi about offtopic
02:25<Albi>LOLOL
02:25<Albi>!tell sney about howIknow
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02:27<firefox>http://pastebin.org/79082 would that script set me back to a vanilla iptables? or do I need to add something?
02:28<twb>firefox: no, because a race condition could leave your policies in DROP, with no accept rules.
02:28<twb>firefox: you should use iptables-restore
02:29<firefox>twb, nice, would that make them vanilla or would it used my already saved iptables?
02:29<twb>firefox: that depends on the input you feed to iptables-restore.
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02:30<twb>iptables-save and iptables-restore simply serialize the in-kernel tables to/from plain text, and do so atomically (per table), unlike -F and -P.
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02:31<firefox>twb, kk I'll man it up then. and see if that works ty. could you explain a little more about the DROP state or is that a little to long winded haha for future refrence.
02:31<twb>firefox: I encourage you to read the FAQ linked from #netfilter on Freenode.
02:32<twb>info iptables-persistent
02:32<twb>!info iptables-persistent
02:32<dpkg>iptables-persistent: (Simple package to set up iptables on boot), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.20090701 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
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02:34<firefox>twb, hmm I'll check that out to. iptables-restore needs a file to input.. of which I have none haha. let me check out what you just linked and see if that solves it
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02:35<mcmat>hi. Is there an IRC channel related to latex in debian ? could'nt find one on this server
02:36<twb>firefox: use iptables-save to get a template, then delete all the rules from it and set the policies.
02:37<twb>firefox: the format is quite straightforward.
02:37<firefox>twb, I am running lenny. ok that sounds like the fix right there. TY
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02:45<firefox>twb, when I save http://pastebin.org/79087 thats what I get.. doesnt seem like there are any rules in there?
02:45<twb>firefox: correct.
02:46<firefox>twb, kk.. so that means I am back vanilla I suppose
02:46<twb>One caveat is that if you later load an additional table (e.g. raw), that is not mentioned in your "empty" iptables-restore file, that table will not be cleared.
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02:47<twb>This is because iptables-save won't dump tables that aren't modprobed into the kernel.
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02:48<firefox>twb, hmmm... how would I unload those rules?
02:48<twb>You can't ever "unload" a rule.
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02:48<twb>All you can ever do is write a table.
02:49<twb>firefox: I suggest you continue this discussion on #netfilter.
02:49<firefox>twb, freenode?
02:49<firefox>twb, right?
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02:50<twb>firefox: TIAS
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02:57<doobiean>hel
03:01<twb>doobiean: sorry, I'm not scandiwegian.
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03:02<doobiean>twb, im not either, i just like doobies and debian
03:03<doobiean>as in free weed
03:03<twb>"In Norse mythology, Hel, the location, shares a name with Hel, a female figure associated with the location." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hel_(location)
03:05<doobiean>That is what i was going for :P
03:05<doobiean>The location of a female ;)
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03:09<twb>firefox: now that I actually look at the dpkg bot's description of moblock, it occurs to me that you might simply want tcpwrappers, which is a lot simpler than iptables.
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03:12<firefox>twb, could that be where moblock is breaking something? would that be to much into moblock rather than a debian issue?
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03:13<firefox>twb, the thing is that it worked before. fora logn while.. I just purged moblock completely and set my iptables to vanila
03:14<firefox>twb, and reinstalling it on a system that it worked on before leads me right back to the same problem..
03:14<firefox>twb, which makes me think that it wasnt exactly "purged"
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03:16<firefox>twb, so I guess my question is... what would moblock have left behind that a complete purge of it, and a vanilla iptables, wouldnt have got?
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03:19<EmleyMoor>The update nohifier on my Gnome desktop no longer works - though opening Update Manager shows updates. Also, Update Manager merely reloads the list of updates if I click "Install Updates". Any advice? Maybe purging and reloading the relevant package?
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03:21<EmleyMoor>(Synaptic can install the updates){
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03:28<twb>firefox: I don't know what mobolock might leave behind, because I don't know how it works internally.
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03:43<jmm>topic
03:43<jmm>ops
03:44<twb>jmm: did you have a question?
03:44<jmm>no, I was just checking topic, but forgot a /
03:45<jmm>hello btw :)
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03:48<twb>Why does readline6's changelog say "final version"?
03:48<twb>Is it simply that there's now a readline7?
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03:57<raorn>o hai
03:57<raorn>is there something like "firsttime script" in debian?
03:58<raorn>i have VM image and want to run one script when this VM starts for the fist time
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03:58<jmm>raorn: just add it to /etc/rc.local
03:59<Nemoder>i think he means not each time but only once
03:59<raorn>and i guess i need to delete it by myself?
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03:59<Nemoder>heh yes you could add to the end of the script: rm /path/to/script
04:00<raorn>this a bit sucks, but thanks anyway ;-)
04:00<jmm>if it should be run just once, you could do it by hand :)
04:00<raorn>i don't have hands ;-)
04:01<jmm>hehe.
04:01<Nemoder>jmm: it could be for setting up many machines
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04:37<tuxcrafter>what is the new way of chaning boot scripts in debian sid
04:37<tuxcrafter>sudo update-rc.d -f tinc remove
04:37<tuxcrafter>update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing
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04:38<jm_>tried this? http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot
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04:39<dominique>Hi! How do I find out my nvidia's graphic card module and disable it from loading everytime?
04:39<jm_>it should be nvidia
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04:41<jmm>OkropNick: you can add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
04:41<jmm>to prevent loading.
04:41<OkropNick>;)
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05:05<raorn>http://pastebin.ca/1758704
05:05<raorn>wtf am i doing wrong?
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05:38<shiznatix>Hello. This may be the wrong place to ask but I think you guys can help me anyways. I have a borked HD that, while mounted, won't let me write or delete from it (segmentation fault) and all I want off of it is a mysqldump. How can I pipe the output of the mysql dump command to an scp or simmilar so I transfer the output to another server without writing to the original HD?
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05:39<jm_>mysqldump ... | ssh shizn@shizn.org "cat > foo.db"
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05:42<shiznatix>jm_, thanks, will give that a try when i get a chance
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06:40<shiznatix>I want to run at least 1 random write on this HD before we sell it from the company. How do I do this from a live CD?
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06:41<dr|z3d>shiznatix: aptitude install secure-delete
06:42<dr|z3d>judd: versions secure-delete
06:42<themill>dpkg: tell dr|z3d about judd
06:42<dr|z3d>:) Thanks. Noticed!
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06:45<EmleyMoor>Don't know of a live CD with that fgacility but that is not to say no such thing exists
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06:45<petemc>dban
06:45<EmleyMoor>(might there be something on UBCD?)
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06:47<jm_>i'd be surprised if grml doesn't have at least wipe
06:47<jm_>don't have my usb drive with it here
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06:50<shiznatix>ok well the live cds i am trying done have secure-delete
06:50<shiznatix>what other program could I use that would be available on a live cd in some way
06:51<jm_>wipe
06:51<shiznatix>not there
06:51<jm_>or simply dd and urandom
06:51<bremner>shred ?
06:51<shiznatix>shred, wipe, secure-delete are not available
06:52<bremner>use a better live-cd?
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06:53<bremner>knoppix, although OT here, has shred, I'm nearly certain.
06:54<bremner>grml probably has several alternatives, and anyway the package list is on the web site.
06:54<bremner>ls
06:54<bremner>oops ;)
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06:55<blunted>I want to install debian on to my netbook but dunno if it will be easy
06:56<blunted>how do i find out what network cards are supported
06:56<blunted>like out of the box or whatever
06:56<gsimmons>blunted: At least state the netbook brand/model.
06:56<blunted>oh shi
06:56<blunted>yeah that makes sense
06:57<blunted>HP Mini 1035 NR
06:57<blunted>it has broadcom wifi card
06:58<jm_>!wifi
06:58<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
06:58<jm_>you can find a list there
06:58<blunted>its b43
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07:13<Guest2826>smash?
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07:16<chaos>how do i find the package which provides Schedule.pm for perl?
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07:19<themill>dpkg: tell chaos about apt-file
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07:20<themill>chaos: although not that the particular module you are looking for might not be packaged
07:20<chaos>yeah i think i'll have to add it manually
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07:21<EmleyMoor>IIRC there's a tool for packaging stuff from CPAN
07:21<chaos>but i'll try the apt-file once i'm done with apt-cache search :P
07:21<bremner>dh-make-perl --cpan iirc
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08:09<shiznatix>J a j
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08:10<shiznatix>sorry, wrong keys. Anyway, I am trying to image a few hard drives using dd but for some reason every image I create is exactly 4gigs, all are the exact same size to the byte but I don't think that these drives are all the same size at all. Whats up with this?
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08:16<oznt>hi guys, can some one help me with wake on lan ?
08:17<oznt>I am trying to wake on lan a debian machine, and I'm trying to figure how to get around a firewall which I have
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08:25<valdyn>shiznatix: which filesystem type are those images created on?
08:25<shiznatix>valdyn, ext2 or 3
08:25<valdyn>shiznatix: whats the command to create the image(s)
08:26<shiznatix>dd if=/media/sda1 conv=sync,noerror bs=64K of=/media/sdb1/server/image.img
08:27<valdyn>shiznatix: thats alright, except that sda1 is a partition, not a hard drive
08:27<shiznatix>valdyn, yes but if I backup each partition separatly, would each come out to be exactly the same size even though some of the partitions are smaller than others?
08:27<valdyn>shiznatix: nope
08:28<valdyn>shiznatix: maybe youre only guessing that the fs on sdb1 is ext2/3 while it is not
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08:29<shiznatix>valdyn, well its just a default lenny install, i don't see what other file system would come as the default
08:30<valdyn>shiznatix: sdb1 is a "default install"?
08:30<valdyn>shiznatix: home come its mounted at /media ?
08:30<shiznatix>valdyn, im running from a live cd so i can image the hd onto a usb hd
08:30<jm_>shiznatix: and usb hd has which fs?
08:31<valdyn>shiznatix: so sdb1 is really a usb hd
08:31<shiznatix>jm_, don't know. how do i find out this stuff?
08:31<valdyn>shiznatix: and not a default install?
08:31<jm_>shiznatix: mount<enter>
08:31<valdyn>shiznatix: vfat filesystems have a maximum file size of up to 4G
08:32<jm_>indeed, but I'd expect an error from dd if it couldn't write more
08:32<shiznatix>valdyn, crap. i think I am getting this error
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08:32<jm_>...
08:32<valdyn>jm_: he specified noerror
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08:32<valdyn>jm_: why is probably stupid anyway
08:33<shiznatix>but there is a error in the last few output lines that say "no space left on device" or something similar when i run the dd command
08:33<jm_>valdyn: ahh stupid me, I see it now
08:33<valdyn>maybe noerror is only for read errors though, not sure
08:33<jm_>yeah slightly puzzling explanation in the man page
08:33<valdyn>shiznatix: thats message has pretty obvious implications...
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08:34<shiznatix>ok but how do I split this image or get this to work?
08:34<jm_>you can pipe to split or use alternative tool that can do this on its own
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08:34<shiznatix>jm_, can you give me any example of this?
08:35<jm_>shiznatix: partimage
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08:37<shiznatix>will look into that now then
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08:41<zeroXten>hmmm, any reason why openssh-server on lenny wants to install libx11?
08:42<jmm>x11forwarding stuff ?
08:42<petemc>are you installing recommended packages as well
08:42<zeroXten>ahhh... hmmm
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08:43<zeroXten>no petemc, but it is automatically adding some x stuff
08:43<zeroXten>unless there is a difference between apt-get and aptitude behavior... hmmm
08:43<jm_>they both install them by default don't they?
08:43<koollman>zeroXten: -R
08:44<zeroXten>hmmmm
08:44<zeroXten>thanks koollman
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08:51<amol>hi to all, i have samsung galaxy android mobile with internal sd card 6gb but it is not getting mounted in debian lenny
08:51<amol>fdisk -l not shows anything
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08:52<friedl>hi
08:52<amol>friedl, hi
08:54<buffoon_work>amol, unplug it, then plug it in again and tell us what dmes showed
08:54<buffoon_work>err, the command is "dmesg"
08:54<buffoon_work>maybe you can put it in a pastebin
08:54<buffoon_work>!paste
08:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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08:55<friedl>servus edhunter
08:55<edhunter>hi friedl
08:55<amol>buffoon_work, http://pastebin.com/m6b287a14
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08:58<amol>buffoon_work, it got mounted..
08:59<buffoon_work>ok, the kernel got that... it should work then. It seems also that there's no partition table on the cards... what's the output of "mount /dev/sdb /mnt" and "mount /dev/sdb /mnt"?
08:59<amol>buffoon_work, that is not ..ther is setting in androi to make device as storage device
08:59<amol>and then mount
08:59<buffoon_work>nice... so I don't have to correct my 2nd command again =)
09:00<buffoon_work>ah, ok
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09:02<xover>is there a package for an xfont server?
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09:06<mase_>xover xfs
09:07<mase_>xover or xfstt
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09:10<xover>which repo do i need to enable for it?
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09:15<xover>mase_: in lenny i do not have that in the repos
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09:18<xover>how do i change the welcome message for X?
09:18<mase_>xover i have xfs in lenny here...
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09:19<xover>mase_: wher do i configure it?
09:20<mase_>xover configure what
09:20<mase_>xfs? no idea...
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09:28<MaRLBoRo>hey guys..pls help to setup my wlan from my linux box
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09:30<MaRLBoRo>eowww
09:30<MaRLBoRo>:(
09:30<edhunter>MaRLBoRo: some more info could be useful. for example which version of debian are you running?
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09:31<MaRLBoRo>ubuntu 9.10
09:31<edhunter>MaRLBoRo: that is not a version of debian ;)
09:31<edhunter>!ubuntu
09:31<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
09:32<MaRLBoRo>k...sori
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09:32<ml|>xchat strikes again ;)
09:33<edhunter>i use xchat but dont remember it defaulting on #debian. (it probably did and i forgot :p)
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09:39<six>is /seen blocked here ?
09:40<themill>six: you can "/msg dpkg seen $nick" and dpkg might be able to help you
09:40<six>thank you
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09:43<darsie>hi! How can I run a second independent instance of iceweasel, so I can have tor active in one and inactive in the other?
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09:44<darsie>Or should I better run two different browsers?
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09:46<LuciusMare>hello
09:46<darsie>heil
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09:47<LuciusMare>i have kdm and kde(-minimal) installed, but when trying to log in, after succeseful log,it throws me back to the kdm login screen
09:47<LuciusMare>any ideas?
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09:50<mase_>LuciusMare here had same problem; he had to downgrade console-kit
09:50<mase_>LuciusMare someone here had same problem; he had to downgrade console-kit
09:50<LuciusMare>mase_: wait, why console-kit?
09:50<mase_>dont know
09:50<LuciusMare>weird
09:50<LuciusMare>and, to what version?
09:51<mase_>dont know :D, sorry
09:51<mase_>are you on testing?
09:51<LuciusMare>oh,and i am running squeeze
09:51<LuciusMare>heh
09:51<LuciusMare>yes :)
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09:51<mase_>have you tried to rename the .kde directory in your home (to temporarly disable old config)
09:52<LuciusMare>LOL
09:52<LuciusMare>startx - command not found
09:52<mase_>nop
09:52<mase_> "/etc/init.d/kdm restart"
09:53<LuciusMare>well
09:53<LuciusMare>kdm runs well
09:53<LuciusMare>but throws me to a loop
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09:58<ecs_u2>bom dia pessoal
09:59<ecs_u2>alguém poderia me ajudar com um problema de dualboot
09:59<Yoda`Taff>!br
09:59<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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10:07<biglinux_>i hve problem lilo lba32
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10:11<diggy>hi beer:)
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10:22<merovingio>hello!
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10:29<pcoronaf>hello
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10:34<biglinux_>raid_setup /dev/sda anybody...
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10:38<tuxcrafter>how can i make updating from security.debian.org faster?
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10:38<tuxcrafter>i got 20 umts based debian systems
10:38<tuxcrafter>and munin apt plugin in checking for updates every 5 min
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10:39<tuxcrafter>but the security.debian.org is always very slow to response
10:39<weasel>if you are running apt-get update every 5 minutes then you are abusing the system.
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10:39<weasel>and I should just tell you to go away
10:39<tuxcrafter>weasel: it is the default plugin of munin in debian main
10:40<weasel>I doubt it does anything remotely as stupid as you describe
10:40<weasel>at least I hope it doesn't
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10:41<tuxcrafter>i will sent a mail to the munin mailinglist
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10:41<weasel>from a quick look it does an apt-get update every hour on averate
10:41<weasel>average.
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10:46<tuxcrafter>apt-get update every hour or so
10:46<tuxcrafter>weasel: so indeed not every 5 min
10:46<tuxcrafter>but the question stays how can i speedup the hit on security.debian.org
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10:47<tuxcrafter>it can take 10 min here
10:47<weasel>then your network probably is broken
10:47<tuxcrafter>while the rest just works perfect
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10:48<mixter_>hi! are there any howto or document on handling automatic updates to several machines? i'm thinking about setting up my own repository and auto-update from that, but cannot find any good place to start.
10:49<weasel>most sane people consider automatic updates crazy
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10:50<mixter_>weasel: that why i was thinking about an own repository and only publish controlled updated to that... logging in to all machines and running aptitude upgrade is making my fingers bleed ;-)
10:50<themill>mixter_: /msg dpkg cron-apt ; I'd only apply them out of a repo that I was feeding with updates I'd already tested though.
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10:51<mixter_>themill: thanks! that sounds great!
10:52<weasel>mixter_: you can script that easily tho
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10:52<weasel>mixter_: I have no problem with for i in $hosts; ssh apt-get update/upgrade
10:52<weasel>takes a minute or two for a hundred or so machines
10:52<tuxcrafter>hmm its kind of hard to do an tcpdump on trafic to security.debian.org :D
10:52<weasel>[ http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/dotfiles/zshfunc/upgrade-systems ]
10:53<weasel>tuxcrafter: my guess is that your network is broken when dealing with ipv6 stuff
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10:53<mixter_>weasel: i guess, but i don't have ssh with certificates on all machines. it has crossed my mind though! thanks for the suggestion
10:53<tuxcrafter>weasel: 83% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:610:1908:a000::149:225)]
10:53<tuxcrafter>weasel: ipv6 indeed
10:53<weasel>tuxcrafter: so the question is why you have ipv6 routes when they aren't working
10:54<themill>Is there a way of telling libc hostname resolution to never return ipv6 addresses? gai.conf looks promising but I've not found an incantation that actually has an effect.
10:54<tuxcrafter>i dont even have ipv6 modules loaded on that system
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10:55<weasel>tuxcrafter: I doubt that's true
10:55<weasel>tuxcrafter: paste the output of 'ip a; ip -6 r'
10:55<themill>ipv6 is built into the squeeze kernel, i.e. no modules.
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10:57<tuxcrafter>weasel: http://debian.pastebin.com/d571f3247
10:57<weasel>looks like you have ipv6 default routes
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10:58<tuxcrafter>sick
10:58<JordiGH>I'm having problems sending receiving files on my Debian laptop with lenny. The mobile phone just says "send file error", and in daemon.log I see
10:58<JordiGH>obexd[7733]: obex_handle_input: poll event HUP ERR
10:58<JordiGH>:-(
10:58<JordiGH>Version 0.14-1 of obexd-server.
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11:00<tuxcrafter>weasel: any hints on fixing this issue?
11:02*JordiGH tries with the unstable version of these packages.
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11:03<weasel>tuxcrafter: figure out where the default route comes from
11:04<weasel>tuxcrafter: get rid of it
11:05<tuxcrafter>weasel: i think they came from the windows dhcp/dns server on that network (the network is not in my control)
11:05<tuxcrafter>weasel: i will sent them a letter that they should migrate the windows network stuff to linux
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11:06<tuxcrafter>dont see anyting in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to disable ipv6 routes
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12:34<dj3mb3>hi
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12:34<dj3mb3>this is my first into this channel :P
12:35<dj3mb3>someone can help me with kbluetooth module in kde 3.5.10?
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12:48<evilmight>Hello, There is a .deb files, for install Chromium? (not GChrome)
12:49<evilmight>else I must compile source code
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13:14<davi>Can I watch Apple QuickTime movies on Debian GNU/Linux stable (lenny) ?
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13:18<dj3mb3>HI davi
13:18<dj3mb3>realplayer o kaffine doesn't work?
13:19<sney`>you probably just need libquicktime1 installed
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13:37<HakanBey>hi i have a problem. My ethernet and wifi cards aren't seen by the debian. i am trying to show for 2 days but i couldn't :(
13:38<HakanBey>how can i show my ethernet and wifi cards?
13:39<cahoot>lspci -nn
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13:39<HakanBey>after that code , should i do anything?
13:39<cahoot>lspci -nn | grep -i net
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13:42<sney`>HakanBey: show us the results
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13:43<HakanBey>ok so i should pass the debian now. i will try and after that i will bring the result
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13:44<sney`>must be dual boot
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13:44<steve_>where does the kernel image that us uncompressed during started live in Debian? sorry if this is a dumb question, I can't find this info on Google.
13:44<steve_>er, started = startup
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13:45<sney`>steve_: it's in /boot
13:46<sney`>filename starts with vmlinuz in a standard debian configuration
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13:46<steve_>sney, i checked there, there is nothing in my /boot directory
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13:46<sney`>nothing at all?
13:46<steve_>sney, zip.
13:46<cahoot>steve_: are you referring to a livecd?
13:46<steve_>sney, i'm running on an embedded system
13:47<steve_>sney, is there a command like 'which' that will tell me where the kernel was uncompressed from?
13:47<cahoot>find?
13:47<sney`>if /boot is empty it was probably unmounted after boot
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13:48<steve_>sney, there is an initrd kernel that boots initially before it boots debian from my SD card.
13:48<sney`>yeah, so there is a /boot somewhere it just isn't mounted right now. /etc/fstab may have the device name.
13:49<werkor9>where is qemu in the debian pkg ? or direct me to better room for info
13:49<sney`>werkor9: aptitude search qemu, have fun
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13:49<werkor9>that i will
13:49<steve_>sney, nothing in /etc/fstab
13:49<sney`>(why do people ask before they search)
13:50<cahoot>steve_: find / -iname vmlinuz* ?
13:51<sney`>I remember once on a very old system it was just in /
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13:51<steve_>cahoot, nothing. :(
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13:53<werkor9>sney, i ask because i am learning and being made to find out on my own? and now i will search first. so thank you
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13:53<sney`>steve_: ok, do a fdisk -l and see if there are any small partitions that aren't currently mounted
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13:54<steve_>sney, only thing that comes up is /dev/sda1
13:55<sney`>is that your sd card?
13:55<steve_>sney, yep
13:55<sney`>hmm. clearly someone has gone to great lengths to hide your /boot
13:56<steve_>sney, there is a /initrd which has the linux stuff that is loaded initially
13:56<sney`>is there a /linux ?
13:56<steve_>sney, no
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13:57<HakanBey>do i show result?
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13:57<sney`>HakanBey: yes, if it's more than a few lines please put it in http://paste.debian.net/
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13:58<sney`>HakanBey: yes, if it's more than a few lines please put it in http://paste.debian.net/
13:58<HakanBey>ok
13:58<sney`>sorry
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13:58<steve_>sney, on boot, first the initial kernel is loaded in a few seconds, and then, it boots from the sd card.
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13:59<HakanBey>i wrote on that site
13:59<sney`>link
13:59<HakanBey>http://paste.debian.net/57212/
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14:00<sney`>lines 17 and 18 are your network cards
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14:00<HakanBey>is debian see it?
14:01<sney`>yes, but the kernel modules may not be loaded
14:01<cahoot>or firmware missing
14:01<HakanBey>how should i do?
14:02<HakanBey>or what should i do :)
14:02<sney`>!iwlagn
14:02<dpkg>methinks iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn
14:03<sney`>and
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14:03<sney`>!r8169
14:03<dpkg>[r8169] the RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver, included in mainline kernels. For controller specific information, ask me about <rtl8101e>, <rtl8168d>. linux-2.6 2.6.26-21 corrects several bugs relating to r8169, see <proposed-updates>.
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14:04<sney`>HakanBey: the wired ethernet should work just fine, an the wireless has instructions at that link
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14:05<HakanBey>ok . Thanks a lot :) i will read that web site. Can i ask again if i have a problem?
14:06<sney`>yes
14:07<HakanBey>Thanks sney and cahoot
14:07<steve_>sney, i think i found the kernel
14:07<steve_>sney, how big is a compressed kernel usually?
14:08<sney`>mine is about 2MB, yours might be smaller for an embedded system
14:08<steve_>sney, aha, yes i think i found it.
14:09<sney`>where?
14:09<steve_>sney, it is on a separate partition of the sd card.
14:09<sney`>that didn't show up in fdisk -l ? o_O
14:09<steve_>sney, but i can't access it because my ubuntu is telling me the file system type is unknown
14:10<sney`>argh ubuntu
14:10<sney`>this is why we don't support ubuntu here, because they do all sorts of crazy shit to hide the OS from the user
14:10<sney`>it's frustrating
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14:10<steve_>sney, i'm looking at a copy of that sd card right now, and the partition that supposedly has that kernel is coming up 'uknown'
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14:11<sney`>try mounting it as ext2
14:11<sney`>or actually you know what, go to irc.freenode.net and ask in #ubuntu instead
14:12<sney`>You won't find Ubuntu experts in #debian. it's been too many years since they were the same thing.
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14:13<steve_>sney, so my debian issue has become an ubuntu issue. great. :O
14:14<sney`>if you're running ubuntu then it never was a debian issue
14:14<HakanBey>by the way, how can i install packages which is in my home directory, on the terminal?
14:14<sney`>with dpkg -i
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14:15<HakanBey>only i write" dpkg -i "???
14:15<sney`>dpkg -i filename.deb
14:15*dpkg installs filename.deb into sney`'s head with a bone saw and a few screws
14:15<HakanBey>ok :) thanks a lot again
14:15<sney`>so if it's google chrome or something it would be dpkg -i google_chrome_unstable_current_i386.deb
14:16<ananth123>where can i get help about missing qt files in the packages ?
14:16<ananth123>qt lib files
14:16<sney`>#debian-kde probably
14:16<ananth123>sney`: ok, thanks
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14:17<vulc4n>hey guys
14:17<vulc4n>I'm wanting to install bip, but the version in stable is really out of date
14:17<vulc4n>what should I do?
14:17<sney`>see if it's in backports
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14:18<vulc4n>sney`: no, its not
14:19<sney`>you could upgrade to squeeze or attempt to build it yourself and use stow
14:21<vulc4n>I've tried to build it myself and I keep getting an error that doesn't really mean anything to me
14:21<vulc4n>and I don't really want to upgrade to squeeze
14:21<sney`>well, what's the error?
14:22<vulc4n> /bin/sh ./ylwrap src/lex.l .c src/lex.c -- /bin/sh /home/kelchm/bip-0.8.4/missing --run flex
14:22<sney`>that's not an error, it's a command
14:23<vulc4n>what does that mean, then?
14:23<sney`>it's part of the compile process, I guess. doesn't mean much by itself. it's doing something to those .l and .c files and feeding the output to flex
14:24<vulc4n>make: *** [src/lex.c] Error 1
14:24<vulc4n>comes immediatly after that
14:24<sney`>well if you put the whole output of make on a pastebin it might make more sense
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14:25<vulc4n>sney`: those two lines are it
14:25<sney`>hmm
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14:27<sney`>do you have flex installed?
14:27<vulc4n>yes
14:28<sney`>add squeeze deb-src lines to sources.list and do apt-get build-dep bip
14:28<vulc4n>okay
14:28<Azrael_->hi
14:29<Azrael_->i saw it in other distributions that autocomplete for e.g. "cd" only showed me all possibilities for folders and omitted all files. is it possible to get this behaviour also in debian?
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14:31<sney`>Azrael_-: it must be, but I don't know how other than it would be a setting in one of the files that bash parses, like /etc/profile or ~.bashrc etc
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14:40<mase_>Azrael_ its working that way on my debian box...
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14:47<phobie>Azrael_- how about the package "bash-completion" with /etc/bash_completion?
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14:48<diego356536>Hi, I've got some issues, with debian in console mode, so I decided to use awesome desktop manager but I can't use 1280x1200 the most is 800x600, is there a way to edit the framebuffer
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15:00<mase_>diego356536 tried vga=0x107 kernel parameter?
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15:01<diego356536>yes, but it only change resolution in console mode, but in x it's stuck in 800x600
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15:03<mase_>diego356536 oh, but doe not depend on the frambuffer (normaly). you edited xorg.conf with no success?
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15:06<diego356536> I depend on framebuffer since mu video card is an old savage 4 and I'm kinda new to xorg, but instead of editing xorg I edited grub menu.lst and added vga775 to have 1280x1200 256 colors
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15:08<mase_>diego356536 you are using the "savage" driver and added the mode "1280x1024" in xorg.conf?
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15:10<diego356536> I haven't but do I have to add modlines?
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15:13<mase_>probably not; a simple 'Modes "1280x1024"' in section "Screen", subsection "Display" might help
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15:16<diego356536>thanks
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15:19<Azrael_->phobie: here it doesn't work, bash-completion is installed
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15:20<jthomas_sb>If I start a program with a nice value of 10 (or whatever), do the child processes also get this nice value? Specifically, mondoarchive -- would mkisofs and bzip and the rest get a nice value of 10?
15:20<Azrael_->e.g. if i type cd /etc/ and press twice "tab" it also shows me all files
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15:22<Oji-san>arrrrrgh - I used blast (toy that is in apt-get) and I don't know how to repair the holes - now I don't have a Kmenu button :(((( Google is not helpful
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15:24<Oji-san>"Blast lets you vent your frustration with programs by blowing holes in them. With this program you can blast holes into any window in X. Holes become permanent unless you repair them before you quit. You may move permanently "damaged" windows and enjoy the view behind the holes."
15:24<mase_>Oji-san you can't just add it again?
15:24<Oji-san>I can't find out HOW to 'repair' the holes
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15:26<Oji-san>ok, experimentation shows me that middle-click (press mouse-wheel) repairs the ones you created in THIS instance of blast
15:26<Oji-san>HOWEVER
15:27<Oji-san>I still have no bloody K menu - there's a bloody HOLE blasted right there :(
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15:28<Oji-san>moving the panel to the top of the screen DON't help either - the bloody hole moves with it
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15:28<Oji-san>Am I gonna have to reformat and reinstall for this stupid thing????
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15:28<mase_>can't you just add k-menu via "add application" in the controll menu?
15:29<Oji-san>mase_: how to open control menu when you CAN'T open K menu?
15:29<Oji-san>because it's blasted out of existence
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15:30<mase_>is'nt there a icon that looks like a bear-tab on the very right?
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15:31<Oji-san>I have: Kmenu (blasted) Home Konqueror taskbar for buttons of running apps system tray ( organizer, klipper, ethernet, power) then clock
15:32<yasmina>sdddsdddd
15:32<mase_>or right-click on any symbol on the bar, there should be a sub-menu
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15:32<Azrael_->any idea?
15:32<rjent>Greetings, I am looking for a shell way to have users send data to an email address then extract the data out from the mailbox at the server. Are there tools available for this?
15:33<rjent>Or am I limited to using grep or mboxgrep like tools?
15:33<Oji-san>mase_: ok, got the menu - where do I look in this ?
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15:33<mase_>Oji-san sorry, i have the german translation, so i can't say the exact namings
15:34<Oji-san>mase_: what am I looking for in general?
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15:35<mase_>Oji-san should be like this: <right-click on any icon> -> "configuration for bar" -> "add applet"
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15:35<mase_>(oh, instead of "bar" it is probably "panel")
15:35<Oji-san>mase_: got that so far
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15:36<mase_>and than you get the menu of applets?
15:36<Oji-san>OK, I got another Kmenu
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15:36<Oji-san>Now, how do I restore all these bloody HOLES?
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15:37<hakanbey>sney': i thank you a lot i did it thanks to you:)
15:37<Oji-san>trying a restart :/
15:38<mase_>Oji-san with <right-click on any icon> -> "configuration for panel" -> "panel configuration" you should be able to move anything to where you want
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15:38<mase_>Oji-san and thus eliminate the "holes"
15:38<Oji-san>mase_: I have these blastmarks all over the bloody place
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15:38<Oji-san>in desktop, in iceweasel, in xchat ....
15:39<Oji-san>almost rebooted ...
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15:39<Oji-san>ok, all the damage looks to be gone
15:39<Oji-san>that was a hassle
15:39<mase_>Oji-san oh, sorry, now i got your problem... :D
15:39<Oji-san> :((
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15:39<mase_>Oji-san just removing blast did not help?
15:40<Oji-san>I am gonna UNINISTALL blast
15:40<mase_>ok
15:40<Oji-san>mase_: no, you have to reboot to eliminate the holes
15:40<mase_>Oji-san or just relogin?
15:40<Oji-san>perhaps, I just used overkill because RAGE etc.
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15:42<mase_>:D
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15:46<tuxcrafter>hi all does somebody know how to sent ntpd a signal to reconnect to availiable interface and sync time?
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15:48<tuxcrafter>and i am gettin messages during reboot that some interfaces are already enabled, the system is often shutdown incorrect. how can i make sure the interfaces will get ifuped
15:48<tuxcrafter>Configuring network interfaces...Interface "lo" is already enabled.
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15:52<ml|>tuxcrafter: /etc/init.d/ntp restart should do; you can check with ntpq -p ; as root afterwords to check that it is working correctly
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15:53<tuxcrafter>ml|: well restart would work but this is not best practice
15:53<tuxcrafter>would be nicer to be able to signal ntpd that the internet connection came up
15:53<tuxcrafter>my system has no internal battery
15:54<tuxcrafter>ah wtf.. how can i disable ipv6 defaults routes to be created by dhcpclient
15:55<tuxcrafter>or can i just disable all ipv6?
15:55<tuxcrafter>it is killing my systems to be able to update from security.debian.org
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15:55<tuxcrafter>default via fe80::cd2e:1701:6f48:5f8a dev br0 proto kernel metric 1024 expires 26216sec mtu 1500 advmss 1440 hoplimit 4294967295
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15:55<rik_>tuxcrafter: what kernel version are you running?
15:56<ml|>oh you are trying to fix at boot time?
15:56<tuxcrafter>2.6.30-2-686 buildin ipv6 module
15:56<tuxcrafter>rik_: ^
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15:56<rik_>add 'ipv6.disable=1' to the kernel boot parameters
15:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 393] by debhelper
15:57<rik_>you can set it in /etc/default/grub
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15:58<tuxcrafter>rik_: i know the way :D
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15:58<tuxcrafter>it is already rebooted with the flag
15:58<rik_>ok :-)
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15:59<tuxcrafter>rik_: http://debian.pastebin.com/d353f0c03
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16:00<tuxcrafter>it seems ipv6 does not listen to that rule with dhcp
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16:00<tuxcrafter>rik_: many many thanks for the hint
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16:01<tuxcrafter>my route is back to default dev ppp0 scope link
16:01<rik_>I think ipv6 uses another version of the dhcp client, on fedora it's dh6client or dhclient6
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16:01<tuxcrafter>dpkg: *dhclient6* not found.
16:01<dpkg>tuxcrafter: no idea
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16:02<rik_>wide-dhcpv6-client - DHCPv6 client for automatic IPv6 hosts configuration
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16:02<tuxcrafter>so now just figure out ow to fix this error during boot: "Configuring network interfaces...Interface "lo" is already enabled."
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16:06<tuxcrafter>i think it has something to do with /etc/network/run/ifstate
16:06<tuxcrafter>is it possible to have that run in memory?
16:07<tuxcrafter>in a easy way not with manual tmpfs moutns
16:07*tuxcrafter is checking man rcS
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16:13<aediks>hi
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16:13<tuxcrafter>ln --verbose --symbolic /var/run/ifstate /etc/network/run/ifstate
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16:13<tuxcrafter>so hopes that solves it
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16:13<tuxcrafter>/var/run/ is in mem
16:14<aediks>where can I configure grub? I used to do that in /boot/grub/menu.lst with etch and lenny but now I can't find this file anymore on squeeze
16:14<aediks>man -k grub wasn't really helpful either
16:14<rik_>aediks: it's now grub2,, which uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg but look at /etc/default/grub also
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16:15<tuxcrafter>rehmm that did not help...
16:16<ml|>aediks: you should not edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg tho changes need to be made in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/
16:16<aediks>that's what I was just reading when opening grub.cf
16:17<aediks>s/grub.cf/grub.cfg
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16:18<aediks>so do I only edit /etc/default/grub if I want to have higher console resolution?
16:18<ml|>aediks: read some on the links here, to understand grub2 better ... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=48382&p
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16:18<aediks>sry, I don't have a webbrowser installed yet
16:19<aediks>I'm on a minimal debian without standard tools lol
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16:19<aediks>I gotta get a better resolution then I'll install lynx
16:20<ml|>aediks: pastebin your grub.cfg to pastebin.com
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16:21<aediks>mlÂÂ|: it's the standard grub.cfg
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16:24<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/d6c5af52b
16:24<tuxcrafter>hoe can i do an easy cleanup for that
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16:25<ml|>aediks: better to see but ok, just add set gfxpayload=1024x768x16 for example, below set gfxmode=... ; for now then read those links after you have things setup
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16:27<Mish->NSCD in Sarge is broken with LDAP and doesn't even cache GROUPS, I need to install a backport of NSCD. Does anyone have any idea how I can go about this?
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16:29<aediks>ml| thanks
16:30<aediks>I'm going to reboot now
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16:31<chealer>Mish-: sarge is obsolete. upgrade to etch
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16:35<OdyX>etch is obsolete in less than a month BTW
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16:37<ml|>so sarge->etch->lenny and read the notes before each move or reinstall ;)
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16:38<Mish->ml|: The issue is there are all "shared host" servers with hundreds of using running custom PHP4... *rage*
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16:39<ml|>ouch good luck
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16:40<Mish->I know! :D - I *will* upgrade these to Debian 5 (rebuild is a better term), but I'm looking for a way to upgrade NSCD for now as I need to stop these servers HAMMERING LDAP with requests due to NSCD in Sarge being broken.
16:40<Mish->Any ideas?
16:41<locklace>dpkg: any ideas?
16:41<dpkg>Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a dozen starving oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours!
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16:58<slush>how about the kgb, dpkg ?
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17:01*vulc4n headdesk
17:02<vulc4n>I guess I will just stick with the old version of bip :/
17:02<vulc4n>I'm not sure what else to do
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17:17<planet8>By mistake I deleted "/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/", how do I get those files back?
17:18<planet8>I am trying to get wifi working on a netbook, and I thought those files where installed during a make
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17:20<gsimmons>planet8: Reinstall the linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 package.
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17:21<planet8>thanks
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17:23<jaimesilva>I have installed a new disk and want to use lvm to manage it, I'm accessing the system via ssh and want a nice tool to partition, how can I run the installer's partition tool from an installed system? is there other nice console tool to create lvm partitions?
17:23<jaimesilva>ops! sorry, Hello everyone!
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17:35<locklace>jaimesilva: the last thing you want is to use the installer tool
17:36<locklace>jaimesilva: just use cfdisk as usual to create your physical partitions and the lvm commands to create your volume groups and logical volumes
17:36<locklace>jaimesilva: man lvm
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17:37<jaimesilva>locklace: I'm reading the lvm howto right now, just wanted to take a shortcut ;)
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17:38<locklace>not sure what you want. it's extremely simple
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17:44<jaimesilva>ok, thanks a lot locklace
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17:47<rggb> i
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17:56<linuxguy>Hi there.......just a quick prob, i have a choice of 2 old graphics cards an 128mb nvidia fx9200 or an ati 9600 card, currently im using the ati card and its working fine, compiz, opengl all fine, but I have a strange display in that everything is stretched, so i have ovals instead of circles, i know ati drivers are poor,...but would the nvidia card work better??..thanks
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17:58<tuxcrafter>hi all is it possible to run ppp in forground with the /etc/init.d/netwerking system
17:58<tuxcrafter>my ntpd daemon is started before the ip is up
17:59<tuxcrafter>and this is causing some issues
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18:09<jonee>how are the guys in here
18:09<Mish->I want ldap.conf to load-balance between the two ldap servers I have given it, is there a way to do that?
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18:13<linuxguy>i dont think anyone is here for debian helps
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18:20<jonee>so what are the 380 guys in here for
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18:23<ml|>if someone here can help, you will get some help; you can ask your question again if you get no help after ~20 minutes
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18:27*cirwin asks about ip6 and how to disable it now that gai.conf has stopped working
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18:30<adb>!noip6
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18:31<cirwin>no bots?
18:31<adb>!noipv6
18:31<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny and Etch: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader.
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18:31<sney`>linuxguy: it probably won't make a difference, but for stretching/aspect ratio issues look into xrandr
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18:32<cirwin>thanks adb, that will explain why all the module stuff suggested by interwebz doesn't do a lot
18:32<cirwin>do you know why my gai.conf is being ignored now?
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18:33<adb>cirwin, i dunno, sorry , maybe a typo as ip6/ipv6 ?
18:34<cirwin>I don't know, I just uncommented the bit that said "uncomment this if you want ip4 preferred to ip6" and it worked until yesterday or day before
18:34<cirwin>then back to waiting for many minutes to connect
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18:35<cirwin>hrm, where's my menu.lst gone..
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18:37<cirwin>ah, got it
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18:42<binary>Hey guys, I just upgraded to squeeze, smbmount appears to seg fault when executed with no arguments <.<
18:42<binary>No matter, it appears to be just this one box.
18:44<linuxguy>sney`: thanks ive just looked at that tells me this current display is 1280x768, max is 1280x1200, but when i look at the display settings i caan only change to 1280x800 which makes things worse
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18:49<dr|z3d>linuxguy: you need to edit your xorg.conf and add the missing resolutions.
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18:54<asdff>Can anyone help me troubleshoot the Xorg process on my Ubuntu Karmic OS? Sometimes it randomly flares up causing 100% CPU consumption (up from 3-4%)
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18:54<ml|>linuxguy: this should help to do that ... http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/
18:54<ml|>dpkg: ubuntu
18:54<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
18:54<asdff>oh ffs
18:54<asdff>clicked on the wrong network
18:54<asdff>sorry ^_^
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18:58<linuxguy>ml|: have just been reading that page quite helpful, thanks
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19:06<asdff>:( the ubuntu channel is so much busier lol. can't get a word in
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19:08<dr|z3d>asdff: You won't get a word, here.
19:08*dr|z3d winks.
19:08<dr|z3d>This channel is Ubuntu allergic. ;P
19:08<asdff>haha yeah
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19:08<asdff>I can understand most of the linux communities animosity tbh
19:08<asdff>I'm planning on dipping my toe in with noobuntu then trying arch / gentoo out afterward ;/
19:08<jonee_>anyone here has the torrent for the latest weekly build for squeeze- dvd1 amd64? it is not in here last time i look
19:08<jonee_>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
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19:09<llimeht>jonee_: there's no point as they go out of date so quickly, so usually, no
19:09<jonee_>i want at least the last week's if this week is not available. thanks anyway
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19:10<jonee_>when will they make a new one? next monday perhaps?
19:10<ml|>it seems they are still having problems building the weekly and daily images
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19:10<jonee_>well if they are making daily images i would grab that
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19:11<ml|>jonee_: any reason you want to use those?
19:11<jonee_>well i need a recent kernel for my hardware- wifi intel 5100, sound specially mic etc
19:12<llimeht>!kmuto
19:12<dpkg>For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images.
19:12<jonee_>so 2.6.30 is it plus a fairly recent gnome
19:12<ml|>jonee_: try kmuto /msg dpkg kmuto
19:12<ml|>ah, llimeht :)
19:12<llimeht>jonee_: these images are out of date so quickly that there's little point in making such huge images that take a long time to build and are useless within a day or two.
19:13<jonee_>any dvd1 amd64 recent build would do
19:13<jonee_>either weekly or daily
19:13<jonee_>as long as it is squeeze
19:14<ml|>try kmuto, you can always nove to testing if that is what you want to do
19:14<ml|>*move
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19:15<llimeht>lenny with a newer kernel should be fine for what you describe. There are weekly builds of the testing CDs but they aren't guaranteed to work; you're often better of with installing stable anyway.
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19:16<ml|>I agree install stable, then do what you like
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19:16<jonee_>ok but i have tried that. the gnome in there is hard to use :(
19:16<jonee_>network manager is hard to work without going command line
19:17<llimeht>eh?
19:17<jonee_>etc
19:17<jonee_>when i tried updating gnome from squeeze it left me without X lol
19:18<ml|>well, you don't mix stable with testing; it's either one or the other
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19:18<jonee_>ok
19:19<llimeht>and installing squeeze wouldn't be any different
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19:19<ml|>jonee_: /msg dpkg stable testing
19:19<ml|>oops
19:19<ml|>jonee_: /msg dpkg stable->testing
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19:20<Silicium01>I dont seem to be able to access my machine from other machines, (webserver ssh etc..) how can I troubleshoot?
19:20<dr|z3d>Silicium01: Running a firewall?
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19:20<Silicium01>drbanzai, I installed firestarter firewall but then uninstalled it
19:20<Silicium01>dr|z3d,
19:21<dr|z3d>You may still have the underlying firewall active.. firestarter is just a front end.
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19:21<Silicium01>dr|z3d, should I restart the computer? or is there anything else I should do?
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19:22<dr|z3d>Reinstall Firestarter and use it, perhaps. Add some permissions for the services you wish to be accessible.
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19:22<Nemoder>Silicium01: you could try iptables -F
19:22<Silicium01>dr|z3d, I actually dont even want that firewall any more, just need to fix what's wrong
19:23<dr|z3d>Then check to see if you have a firewall active.
19:23<sney`>do Nemoder's suggestion then
19:23<Nemoder>Silicium01: after that see if you can connect locally to make sure those services are running
19:23<ml|>ah, was about to ask ;)
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19:25<Nemoder>heh i guss that solved something..
19:25*dr|z3d smirks.
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19:30<tonsofpcs>hi all
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19:31<Silicium01>I lost connection then rebooted and now I am able to connect
19:31<Silicium01>thanks guys
19:32<Nemoder>that works :)
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19:39<dr|z3d>Nemoder: Presumably -F flushes existing rules?
19:39<Nemoder>yes, check the manpage
19:40<dr|z3d>Sure, sure.. not busying myself with iptables at the moment. Just guessing at the purpose of the command. :) As you were!
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20:01<Guest3118>hi
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20:04<jaimesilva>What is a good size for a /boot partition?
20:04<jaimesilva>sorry, how much disk space must be used for a /boot partition?
20:05<abrotman>do you really want a separate /boot/ ?
20:05<jaimesilva>abrotman: yes, I'm planing to use lvm for the other ones
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20:06<Nemoder>I guess it depends how many kernels and initrd images you need installed at any given time
20:06<abrotman>100MB? 300MB?
20:06<Nemoder>mine is 100mb with 3 and it's only 60% full
20:06<jaimesilva>Nemoder: only one, two at most when upgrading
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20:06<abrotman>i think it's about 20MB per kernel in /boot/
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20:07<jaimesilva>I guess it also depends on how much stuff is in the initramfs
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20:12<tonsofpcs>hmmm....
20:12<zxd>Hey guys, I have a question, I have a linux live USB drive which I'm trying to mount and further configure, how can I do such?
20:12<tonsofpcs>do you know how to mount a usb drive?
20:12<ml|>I use 100mb for /boot/ with two kernels at the moment it is using 41mb
20:13<zxd>I'm somewhat familiar with how to mount a usb but not really
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20:13<zxd>something like mkdir /mnt/usb | mount /dev/usb* /mnt/usb
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20:14<zxd>am i on the right track?
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20:15<ml|>you can use usbmount for this
20:15<sney>and dmesg often tells you the device name when you connect it
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20:16<zxd>ahh dmesg + grep eh ? ;)
20:17<zxd>or is there something you can change about dmesg to give you a live update as soon as a device goes in?
20:17<tonsofpcs>dmesg | tail -f ?
20:18<zxd>ah
20:18<zxd>ok I apt-get'd usbmount
20:18<tonsofpcs>what do you need that for?
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20:19<zxd>ml| said I can use usbmount forr it
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20:36<dkdexter>Hello. I just installed 5.0.3 but the FTP is not up and running like the previous versions, can someone help?
20:38<jonee_>use http is that for sources.list?
20:40<dkdexter>?
20:41<dkdexter>not sure i understand, newbie
20:41<adb>install it (ftp)?
20:41<dr|z3d>dkdexter: install an ftp server and configure.
20:41<dr|z3d>proftpd for exmaple.
20:41<dr|z3d>There are plenty of choices.. apt-cache search ftpd
20:42<chealer>dkdexter: just ask your question.
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20:43<abrotman>chealer: thanks
20:43<dkdexter>sorry, installed ftpd. But the reason i asked to begin with was it use to be installed after install
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20:49<dr|z3d>HydraIRC will be on slashdot one day, probably the same day the author actually understands opensource.
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21:28<rattlehead>hi!
21:28<rattlehead>anyone here speaks spanish?
21:29<dr|z3d>!es
21:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:29<rattlehead>ok
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21:54<rodrigo>hello! so: my laptop has a core 2 duo cpu, I'm pretty sure it's 64bits. But I somewhere read that some apps run faster from 32bit binaries, even on 64bit cpus. Which should I install?
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21:56<dr|z3d>rodrigo: How much ram you got?
21:56<rodrigo>4gig
21:57<dr|z3d>Well, 32bit will give you less hassle; 64bit may give you more performance, some specific apps.
21:57<rodrigo>what apps do you think would benefit from 64bits?
21:57<rodrigo>I want to do some audio procesing, mainly.
21:57<dr|z3d>Personally I'd opt for 32bit in your situation, unless you have a specific need for 64 bit.
21:58<dr|z3d>Maths stuff, mostly. Think ripping, rendering, converting..
21:59<rodrigo>audio stuff is signal processing, right? I think that's math stuff. OTOH low latency is desireable.
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22:00<dr|z3d>64bit won't materially affect latency.
22:00<dr|z3d>Not for audio, anyways.
22:01<rodrigo>okay, I think I'll go 32bits
22:01<CompWizrd>just keep in mind upgrading/downgrading from one to the other is not trivial
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22:02<rodrigo>okay, I'm planning on keeping a separate partition for /home, that should cover it
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22:59<doobiean>What is the prefered way to run ntp client on debian. I just stuck ntpdate in /etc/rc.local so it will at least update every once in a while
23:00<abrotman>you should really use ntp, not ntpdate
23:00<doobiean>as in ntpd?
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23:00<abrotman>the package is 'ntp'
23:01<tp43>how can you set it up so that normal users can mount cdrom?
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23:02<tp43>I noticed you can do a change in /etc/fstab from user to nouser, but then you still have to user the mount command which only root has access
23:03<doobiean>if you are using gnome, i think it does it automatically.
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23:03<tp43>doobiean, true that
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23:04<ml|>tp43: the option is user
23:05<tp43>ml|, what do you mean?
23:06<ml|>guess, I'm not sure on what you are trying to do
23:06<tp43>ml|, oh I see what you mean, nouser means only root can access, and user means anyone, I had it backwards up there
23:06<ml|>right
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23:08<ml|>doobiean: another option is openntpd
23:11<doobiean>yea, i saw that one too. i read that ntpd has some kind of problem, and that simple-ntp is the way to go (from the wiki page). but simple-ntp does not exist in lenny. there is msntp, but i couldn't get it to work. so i guess i will try ntp now :P
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23:11<ml|>does not get simpler than openntpd
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23:12<ml|>but ntp in debian is not hard either
23:13<bugjar>tp43, for removable disk, add the user to the appropriate group
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23:13<bugjar>doobiean, ntpd has which problem?
23:13<doobiean>ml|, i know the way i am setting up now works, but probably not preferred. trying to do it the right and easy way
23:14<ml|>doobiean: you might want to change the default pool to something closer to you
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23:14<tp43>bugjar, I was looking into that too, but then how do I mount it?
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23:14<doobiean>i read somewhere, i dont know how true or current the article was, but that it was slow and laggy. i dont know for sure
23:14<bugjar>ml|, openntpd is easy enough, but judging from the complaints, it doesn't really do the right thing for all cases.
23:16<ml|>I've never had an issue with either, but ntp in debian is easy to setup also; I just prefer openntd
23:16<doobiean>i will give it an install and see what happens
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23:17<bugjar>doobiean, laggy? i remember reading the hooha when i was playing around with setting up a central time server. openntpd was fine enough for my needs, but the ntpd people said, basically, it didn't handle the corner cases correctly -- something along the lines of a clock that slowly misses, but doesn't have good, consistent connections to the time server.
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23:17<ml|>tp43: the user should be part of the cdrom group ;)
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23:18<bugjar>doobiean, ntpd is setup on my machines at work that need time serving, since they're doing "serious" work and i want the error correction, too for them
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23:19<bugjar>tp43, add the user to the cdrom group. logout and login if that's you :)
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23:19<bugjar>tp43, you should be able to log in using the new credentials and it will give access to the mount & umount commands for that/those devices
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23:20<doobiean>bugjar, thank you, i dont need a super-throwdown time setup, just one that corrects my clock - i think my old assus is loosing time in it's old age
23:20<ml|>yes ntp is a bit more accurate; but it's likr openntpd will off by much compared to ntp; use what you prefer or need :)
23:21<bugjar>doobiean, yeh, that's about right. ntpd people compared openntpd to "simple-ntp" or somesuch.
23:22<doobiean>is openntpd new, i see that it's used in freebsd
23:23<ml|>nope being around for a while
23:24<ml|>if the manpage is any indication since ~2004
23:24<doobiean>the debian wiki looks like it was written back in the ham-woody day - some things it talks about surely need to be updated.
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23:28<bugjar>doobiean, if you're just picking up the date to correct, rather than setting time for other machines, ntpdate is easier. and just a periodic cron job, too
23:29<bugjar>doobiean, it'll just find the time from one of the debian time servers
23:30<doobiean>ml|, openntpd doesn't have a man page - so to google i will go ;D
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23:30<ml|>doobiean: yes it does, did you install it?
23:31<bugjar>doobiean, tho ntpdate has some quirks...
23:31<bugjar>a debian setup
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23:34<doobiean>ml|, says "Starting openntpd: ntpd." but nothing when i 'man openntpd'
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23:34<doobiean>guess i will go look at ntp.conf
23:34<ml|>it's in /etc/openntpd/
23:36<ml|>if you want to know on what's doing look at /var/log/daemon.log
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23:36<doobiean>ml|, well, guess there is nothing to read, cus there is nothing i need to do but let it do it's thing :D
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23:37<ml|>doobiean: it does tell you by how much it's adjusting your time
23:38<ml|>doobiean: you might want to change the default pool to something closer to you
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23:40<doobiean>the log states it's using stunnel for a ssl connection - thats kinda cool :)
23:41<doobiean>oh sorry, thats my news server :P
23:42<doobiean>it runs on nntps
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23:43<ml|>doobiean: if you haven't seen it already .. http://www.openntpd.org/
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23:45<doobiean>it has a bunch of these in the log "Jan 20 22:41:08 debian ntpd[5544]: peer 198.186.191.229 now valid" but doesnt state that it has updated the time any - maybe if i do a ntpd -q?
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23:50<ml|>you should see something like ... adjusting local clock by -0.256400s; but will not log anything below 128ms
23:52<doobiean>yea, it probably wont - i ran ntpdate earlier.
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