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---Logopened Sun Jan 24 00:00:44 2010
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00:00<ml|>leave out the -y if you want, of course
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00:05<phorce1>ml|: thx -- I haven't really started using the regex features of aptitude yet. My few feeble attempts generally return nothing at all or way more than I want.
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00:08<kop>ml|: (I always like putting the ~ stuff for aptitude inside single quotes, just in case there's username expansion going on.)
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00:13<ml|>phorce1: np, the ~ stuff is not well documented
00:14<ml|>kop: what do you mean? I've never had issues
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00:14*kop hates aptitude's documentation. Half in the man pages and have in html. In general I hate html docs.
00:15<kop>ml|: aptitude search ~ahold will behave strangely if there's a user 'ahold' in /etc/passwd. But will work fine if it's single quoted.
00:16<ml|>oh, ok
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00:24<ml|>kop: thanks for reminding me about the half of aptitude docs, I tend to forget about /usr/share/doc/ :)
00:24<ml|>*other half
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00:26<kop>ml|: Hard to belive something so important is skitzoid like that. But then, aptitude is also fractured in that it does not really seem to be a command line app. It seems to want you to use curses and reluctantly supports the command line.
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00:29<kop>ml|: I'd hate aptitude if dselect was not so lame. :-P
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00:31<ml|>heh, I like aptitude and use ncurses a lot for certian things; it's much faster sometimes than using cli
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00:33<lmsteffan>my gcc compiler indicates "Target: i486-linux-gnu" while I have installed (I believe) an AMD64 distro (on a new machine). That seems to lead to various problems when trying to compile 64-bit drivers. Does anyone have an idea what mistake I may have made ?
00:33<eightyeight>lmsteffan: what does 'uname -m' show?
00:35<lmsteffan>eightyeight: uname -m => x86_64
00:36<eightyeight>lmsteffan: what options are you passing to the compiler?
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00:38<lmsteffan>eightyeight: actually I am not passing any options, I have investigated a problem when compiling the ATI driver for my graphic card ; I have figured out that the arch is given by dpkg-architecture, and that in turn invokes the gcc compiler.
00:38<diniremix_nx86>Does anyone speak Spanish?
00:38<kop>!es
00:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:39<eightyeight>lenios: and the DEB_BUILD vars show 64-bit values, not 32?
00:39<lmsteffan>in fact dpkg-architecture says (among other things) "DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386" "DEB_BUILD_ARCH_BITS=32"
00:40<diniremix_nx86>thanks
00:40<eightyeight>lmsteffan: did you install the 32-bit dpkg-dev package?
00:41<lmsteffan>eightyeight: not intentionnaly... let me check
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00:43<lmsteffan>eightyeight: I do have a dpkg-dev, presumably installed by the installer - how do I check whether it's 32-bit ?
00:44<eightyeight>dpkg-query -W -f='${Architecture}' dpkg-dev
00:45<jmarsden>I think that will say "all" :)
00:45<lmsteffan>it says "all"
00:45<jmarsden>:)
00:46<eightyeight>dunno then
00:46<lmsteffan>jmarsden: right... very impressive ;-)
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00:47<lmsteffan>eightyeight: thanks for the help, I'll google a bit more around dpkg-dev
00:47<eightyeight>np
00:48<ml|>lmsteffan: you might want to look at bts
00:49<lmsteffan>mlj: bts ?
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00:50<lmsteffan>s/mlj/ml|/
00:51<ml|>dpkg: bts
00:51<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
00:53<lmsteffan>ml|: oh yes, I'll do that, however the likelihood of it being a bug is much less than my making a mistake. Then again I am using the "testing" version, so who knows ?. thanks.
00:54<ml|>np, can't hurt :)
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00:56<cesurasean>http://www.watch-movies-online.tv/movies/the_book_of_eli/
00:56<cesurasean>whoops
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00:59<locsmif>Rats! What an unfortunate blooper by cesurasean.
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02:00<stitchcasey> /bye
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02:29<micktash>hey anyone got the full version of xp
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02:29<micktash>or know where i can get one
02:30<cahoot>aware this is #debian?
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02:30<micktash>i don't know this program at all help\
02:30<micktash>i'm using ubuntu 9.4
02:31<cahoot>so change server to irc.freenode.net and /j #ubuntu
02:32<micktash>its forbidden
02:32<edhunter>i think there is #windows channel on irc.freenode.net
02:33<micktash>?
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02:34<micktash>its forbiddebn
02:35<micktash>i am trying to get paltalk on here can anyone help
02:35<edhunter>micktash: #ubuntu needs you to register your nickname. #windows doesnt i think ask there or go to a computer store buy XP if you can find it
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03:10<cesurasean>[Sun Jan 24 02:08:21 2010] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts - anyone know what to make of this, besides finding the one that's setup like :0? why would there be a 0 port? makes no sense at all...
03:10<cesurasean>ive looked over the config about 18 times now too
03:13<cesurasean>nevermind, i figured it out. :P
03:13<cesurasean>too many off the directives..
03:13<cesurasean>of the*
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03:16<secret>i need the command how i can find out which system i have runnning like, i386, x64 or x86
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03:19<ml|>secret: uname -m
03:19<secret>ml|, thanks!!
03:19<ml|>np
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03:20<secret>ml|, another question: i have now here i686. what is this exactkly now, i386, x64m, x86 ???
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03:21<edhunter>i686 is basically what you use for 32bits nowadays (pentium 2 and newer if i remember correctly)
03:23<ml|>right for newer processors that is what you want
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03:25<secret>ok, thanks again., i am jujst trying to install free BSD and somehow iget always an error message and i cant find out why
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03:37<screenn>is in there anyone familiar with postfix? :)
03:37<screenn>I can resolve ip address by domain name of the host, but trying to send a mail to this host by full hostname.domainname address and have this error in log: "status=bounced (Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=more.lan type=A: Host not found)"
03:38<weasel>restart postfix?
03:38<weasel>maybe the resolv.conf in its chroot is old/broken
03:39<screenn>did it
03:40<screenn>is it reread /etc/resolv.conf after restart?
03:40<screenn>cause I'm really changed resolv.conf after connect to network
03:41<screenn>but I've restarted postfix after that
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03:42<weasel>are you sure more.lan can be resolved using dns?
03:42<screenn>after I've changed it yes
03:43<screenn>with new dns it's possible
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03:44<screenn>this thone is exist on this dns as local thone
03:44<screenn>*zone sorry :)
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03:46<screenn>I can dig it and ping by hostname.domainname address
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04:01<Garp>hi
04:03<Garp>locklace: hi. Sorry, I didnt show up last night: at reboot fsck started on a partition, and that was quite long.
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04:41<AnAnt>Hello, how can I find out what lists I am subscribed to on lists.debian.org ?
04:41<AnAnt>is there a mail command or so ?
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04:44<gsimmons>dpkg: subscribed
04:44<dpkg>Not sure which Debian <mailing lists> you're subscribed to? Send mail to majordomo@lists.debian.org with "which your.email@address" (without quotes) in the body.
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04:47<AnAnt>gsimmons: thanks
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04:51<Garp>Hi.
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04:52<Garp>Question: How can I get the nvidia driver to work with my lenny-backported kernel? Thanks.
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04:56<craigevil>!nvidia
04:56<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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05:04<Garp>craigevil: thanks.
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05:16<screenn>weasel it works now
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05:17<zxd>how can i forcely remove a LV
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05:19<jmarsden>zxd: man lvremove
05:20<zxd>yes -f
05:20<zxd>but it says it fails
05:21<zxd> Can't remove open logical volume "rsnapshot"
05:21<zxd>how do i close it
05:21<weasel>unmount it?
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05:22<zxd>it isn't mounted
05:22<zxd>it's being used by kpartx I think
05:22<zxd>but kpartx -d dosen't do anything
05:23<zxd>strace says ioctl(3, DM_DEV_STATUS, 0x1dc4e270) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address)
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05:40<cesurasean>my debian lenny just froze trying to open virtualbox. :(
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05:40<cesurasean>i meant squeeze.
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05:42<cesurasean>virtualbox doesn't seem to work either way. sad.
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05:55<blueldr137>when you use kpkg to compile your kernel where does it place the .deb file?
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06:00<screenn>weasel: my relay host sends a mail to mail host, but in mail host logs this error: "said: 554 5.4.0 Error: too many hops (in reply to end of DATA command))" and I can't recieve this mail
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06:01<weasel>did you build a mailloop?
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06:03<Garp>Question: (Debian (mostly) lenny, backport kernel on amd64 - 2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 ) When booting, the display often block for a long time on some lines, and (very surprisingly) seems to resume boot only when I press a key. I saw one reference to something similar (http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2006-07/msg07523.html but that was on sparc). Any suggestion? Thanks.
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06:03<screenn>didn't but thanks I'll check it
06:04<Garp>Hi locklace.
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06:05<Garp>locklace: thanks for your help yesterday.
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06:06<locklace>Garp: haven't seen that one. first thing i'd probably do is compare with (yet another) different kernel, say the .32 one from squeeze
06:07<Garp>locklace: I hardy reboot once a month, and have stuff to do, so I wont play with it unless needed.
06:07<locklace>both the .30 and .32 kernels are in good shape overall (avoid .31)
06:07<Garp>locklace: maybe if it can be reproduced in a virtual machine...
06:08<locklace>in that case i'd suggest posting to lkml with all the details
06:08<Garp>locklace: I didnt yet have time to check that my rpoblem was solved.
06:08<Garp>locklace: I wont post if I can get time to check and recheck: peploe will rightfully disregard it.
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06:09<locklace>yeah, it's worth at least trying to boot .32 first when you have a chance
06:09<Garp>if i canT
06:09<Garp>locklace: let me first start firefox, gimp and thunderbird to check if the problem I had yesterday show up again or not
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06:11<Garp>locklace: I just got time to reboot, lost some tiome with the nvidia driver, and
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06:11<Garp>other stuff...
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06:44<anthrazit>hello i got a question
06:44<teage>Whats the difference between this command (ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 xxx.xxx.x.xxx) and this command ( ssh teage@xxx.xxx.x.xxx) ? They appear to do the same thing.
06:45<anthrazit>Ive just installed debian, and inkscape and iam now trying to convert an .png Image to an .svg image
06:46<anthrazit>But for some reason it doesnt work :S
06:46<petemc>teage: man ssh
06:46<teage>petemc: I dont know why i did not think of that. thanx. i will look at the manual
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06:48<rumith>anthrazit, what exactly doesn't work? Can you describe the error you encounter?
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06:49<rumith>actually, converting a bitmap image to vector is... a little weird
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06:49<anthrazit>well ive opened the .png-image with inkscape... and try to simply save it as svg image
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06:50<anthrazit>and it seemed to work, but once i deleted the original png, there was the message "linked image not found"
06:50<anthrazit>Ive done this on the same way with png some time ago, but now it seems not to work
06:50<teage>i dont understand bind address....whats that??
06:50<rumith>that's reasonable: the svg file you created used PNG as a resource
06:50<rumith>try Path/Trace bitmap instead
06:50<anthrazit>ok, ill check that
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06:52<hakanbey>how can i install pidgin 2.6.x from backports?
06:54<rumith>teage, http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1816
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06:54<teage>rumith:thanx
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06:58<rumith>hakanbey, do you have backports repository enabled?
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07:00<hakanbey>yes but i can not see pidgin 2.6.x on the synaptic package manager. i only see pidgin 2.4.3
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07:13<ml|>hakanbey: follow the directions from here ... http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
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07:14<locklace>!qotd0
07:14<dpkg><greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ.
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07:20<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/d3e4b108d
07:21<tuxcrafter>can somebody help me install libc :D
07:21<tuxcrafter>when there is no lddconfig :D
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07:24*tuxcrafter is trying ln -s -v /bin/true /sbin/ldconfig
07:24<tuxcrafter>hihi that worked :D
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07:25<locklace>!congratulate tuxcrafter
07:25<dpkg>Huzzah tuxcrafter, you did it!
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07:32<zxd__>how do I switch the default device to use dmix
07:32<zxd__>i have multiplie cards
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07:36<tuxcrafter>so purged all packages from unstable and installed the ones from testing
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07:58<uvok>hello
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07:59<uvok>I've got a problem playing a DVD with mplayer (libdvdcss installed, mplayer from sid). It show a black window for a few seconds and then quits. Output is here: http://dpaste.com/149766/
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08:00<uvok>another DVD plays successfully with mplayer. But the DVD causing problems in mplayer works fine with gxine
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08:01<locklace>so did you try what the messages suggested
08:03<uvok>locklace, what did the messages suggest? Providing a text font file? That shouldn't have an influence on plying the dvd, should it?
08:03<locklace>lines 100-102
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08:07<uvok>it says Option vf: spp doesn't exist. ... if only running mplayer with -vf scale it also fails on playing
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08:11<uvok>also, I tried dumpstream, and it didn't work either... http://dpaste.com/149767/
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08:39<hakanbey>how can i install pidgin 2.6.x from backports? i added backports for the synaptics but i can not see pidgin 2.6.x. I only see pidgin.data and pidgin.dev but both of them aren't installing because they can not find pidgin package
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08:40<hakanbey>sorry not pidgin.data. i can find pidgin.dbg and pidgin.dev
08:41<lukus001>can someone help me please? I got a server running debian, when i use "ls -la" it is only showing me 10 of 40? I cant seem to show the others?
08:42<locklace>what
08:42<abrotman>hakanbey: aptitude -t lenny-backports install pidgin
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08:43<hakanbey>ok. i am trying it now
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08:45<lukus001>Anyone? I'm using ls to list but it is only showing 10 results of a total of 40?
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08:46<ameed>hi
08:46<ameed>hi
08:46<ameed>any one here ?
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08:49<abrotman>lukus001: so how do you know there are more ?
08:49<lukus001>abrotman its says "total 40" ontop
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08:54<locklace>lukus001: did it ever occur to you that that number has nothing to do with the number of files in the directory?
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08:55<lukus001>locklace: yes, but it is a bit confusing when you ask for a 'list' and it says total:40. for reference, what does it stand for?
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08:56<locklace>lukus001: the number of "blocks" allocated to store the listed files
08:56<lukus001>locklace: ah okay. Thank you very much ;)
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08:57<locklace>but it's a stupid number since, as you pointed out, the output is confusing and it counts files with multiple hard links multiple times
08:57<locklace>blame unix history
08:58<hakanbey>abrotman: thanks a lot :)
08:59<lukus001>:3
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09:00<ajr>Hello. How good is security of backported Debian packages? backports.org FAQ says that security support is done "on a best effort basis". How often do these packages get security updates in practice?
09:01<abrotman>pretty much what it says ...
09:01<abrotman>i wouldn't personally count on them for security
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09:04<locklace>ajr: basically debian security support for everything but stable is fundamentally unreliable
09:05<locklace>or oldstables within the support window
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09:08<ajr>OK, thanks. But if testing or unstable gets an important security update, is the corrensponding backports package then usually also updated?
09:08<spr2ad>hi
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09:17<andrea_>i'm trying to install debian lenny on a imac G3 (early summer 2001) from a netinstall cd.
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09:18<careta>anyone from the freebsd team here?
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09:19<andrea_>everythings works fine untill APT tries to download files from the mirror and give back an error thaty say:
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09:19<andrea_>gpg ftp://debian........KEYEXPIRED
09:20<dutchfish>andrea_, how old is this install cd?
09:20<andrea_>just burned
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09:21<hobgoblin>hi
09:21<andrea_>i can see this error on the 4th console
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09:21<hobgoblin>umm howto install firefox 3.6 on ubuntu 8.10
09:22<Torsten_W>!ubuntu
09:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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09:23<andrea_>he ask me if i want to download files but i can't answer
09:23<dutchfish>andrea_, and you have the debian-archive-keyring package installed and it is up 2 date?
09:24<themill>check the date/time on that computer too
09:24<dutchfish>themill, ah good idee
09:24<andrea_>how can i know this?
09:24<dutchfish>andrea_, the time just: date
09:25<dutchfish>andrea_, the package: dpkg -l | grep debian-archive-keyring
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09:28<andrea_>ok thanks for the help..i'm going to try now
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09:36<andrea_>the date is very old : 1904
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09:37<andrea_>and it has found the pakage
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09:37<themill>!set the time
09:37<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
09:37<dutchfish>andrea_, ok, then just correct the date manually for now so you can update
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09:38<andrea_>how can i do that?
09:38<dutchfish>andrea_, dpkg just told you
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09:39<andrea_>i runed the command but the date is still the same
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09:42<dutchfish>andrea_, it should be in the form like date --set 1998-11-02 (for date) and date --set 21:08:0 (for time)
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09:45<insigne>oi
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09:45<insigne>oi
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09:45<insigne>oi
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09:45<andrea_>great! i don't see that error anymore runing apt-get ....but don't you think that maybe i must uptate the open firmware?
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09:45<insigne>sim
09:46<insigne>como vc se chama????
09:46<themill>!br
09:46<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:47<dutchfish>andrea_, i dont now, but those problems might be due to an empty battery on your mainboard
09:47<dutchfish>andrea_, this would make it that every time the system goes power off, it loses its date
09:49<dutchfish>andrea_, anyway just install ntp, this will fetch the curent time/date by aptitude install ntp
09:49<insigne>oi
09:49<insigne>oi
09:49<insigne>oi
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09:49<andrea_>ok thanks...i understand..sorry for ignorace but i'm new to mac
09:49<dutchfish>andrea_, np
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10:44<astartoth>hi all, I'm having problems mounting ntfs-3g volumes. I get: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount /dev/sda2 for uid 1000 under dolphin. Any tips
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10:53<witte>astartoth: what is in your /etc/fstab for this disk?
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10:53<witte>is there an option setting the user id?
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10:57<astartoth>witte
10:57<astartoth>yes
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10:58<astartoth>UUID=B85451075450CA30 /media/Windows7 ntfs-3g defaults,noauto,nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000 0
10:58<astartoth>UUID=B85451075450CA30 /media/Windows7 ntfs-3g defaults,noauto,nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
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10:58<witte>astartoth: ok, now, you want to mount it as user as well, or do you mount it as root (or with sudo)?
10:59<astartoth>I wan't to mount it as user
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10:59<witte>ok, so you need: defaults,noauto,nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000,user
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11:01<astartoth>witte, aurocha:/etc$ mount /media/Windows7
11:01<astartoth>ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/Windows7
11:01<astartoth>chmod it to 775 ?
11:01<witte>astartoth: the directory must be yours... chown name:group /media/Windows7
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11:02<astartoth>just chown it to aurocha:users
11:03<astartoth>urocha:/etc$ mount /media/Windows7
11:03<astartoth>ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/Windows7
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11:04<astartoth>User doesn't have privilege to mount. For more information
11:04<astartoth>please see: http://ntfs-3g.org/support.html#unprivileged
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11:11<witte>astartoth: which debian are you using?
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11:11<astartoth>sid
11:11<witte>astartoth: lenny? should work, but i don't use ntfs so i have not really an idea
11:11<witte>!sid
11:11<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
11:12<witte>!ntfs-3g
11:12<dpkg>methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <bpo etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
11:12<witte>!user accessible ntfs
11:12<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
11:13<astartoth>ok, thanks witte.
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12:28<RedLance>My media drive was automounting under the /media/(it's UUID number) and now I have it automount to /media/mediaserver...is there anyway I can update Rhythmbox to find the files in the new place?
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12:30<inglor>RedLance, Ask rhythmbox to rescan the Library in the new path.
12:31<RedLance>inglor, Ok, I'll try, thanks
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12:33<RedLance>inglor, By that, do you mean change the Library location?
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12:35<inglor>RedLance, Music -> Import Folder (and pick the new folder.) Or ask Rhythmox to Scan removable Media
12:35<anthrazit>hello, iam searching for an easy to use partition manager
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12:35<locklace>anthrazit: man cfdisk
12:35<inglor>anthrazit, Gparted
12:36<anthrazit>ahh thats it, coudnt remember the name :)
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12:37<noflash>fdisk ain't all that hard
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12:42<anthrazit>ok, got another error :S
12:43<anthrazit>for some reason i cant do anything with gparted... see here
12:43<anthrazit>http://i49.tinypic.com/2u7u2oo.jpg
12:43<imperia>hello. after power loss i am receiving the following error: fsck.ext3 unable to set superblock flags. can somebody help please
12:44<anthrazit>ok, problem solved :)
12:44<anthrazit>but now there's another problem ^^
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12:45<anthrazit>I cant format it as NTFS, i know that i have to install an additional app for doing so... but what exactly was it ?
12:45<Man_of_Wax>i've update from lenny to squeeze and now fluxbox put every windows open in the toolbar instead of only the windows in the selected workspace
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12:47<sney>hmm, 2.6.32 requires firmware for my soundcard that I've had since 2.4
12:47<locklace>imperia: boot to single-user mode or via rescue disk and run e2fsck -p and e2fsck -c manually
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12:49<imperia>locklace: i did that.. (haven't tried -c option) i did mke2fs -n /dev/hda9 to see the location of other superblocks. then fsck.ext3 -b <superblock> /dev/hda9
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12:50<sney>don't you have to pass -j for mke2fs to make an ext3 filesystem?
12:50<RedLance>inglor, Thanks, that seems to be working
12:50<imperia>sney: i am not sure. but -n option is not creating fs.. only shows superblock location afaik
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12:50<inglor>RedLance, great :)
12:50<sney>ah yeah never mind
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12:52<imperia>maybe i have to convert back to ext2 and then back to ext3? but sure if this is solution and how to do it :(
12:52<locklace>imperia: basically e2fsck is the only tool you have to repair your fs. relevant options are for instance -c, -b, -B, so your only real hope is that the right options will save your bacon
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12:53<locklace>imperia: tune2fs may also be useful occasionally
12:54<dserban>Hmm this utf stuff still befuddles me. I recently received an email via a webmail system and all of the characters are blocks with four (seemingly) smaller dots inside of them. How do I get iceweasel to display these characters correctly.
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12:55<imperia>locklace: i am trying man e2fsck and man tune2fs .. not sure what to try tho
12:55<dserban>Or, if there's a howto somewhere that applies to current versions of debian, I'd appreciate that as well, google's failing me.. (or I'm failing google)
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12:55<sney>dserban: you're probably just missing fonts. do you know what language(s) the dots were supposed to be?
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12:56<dserban>sney, looks like hk
12:56<dserban>so simplified chinese?
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12:59<sney>dserban: well I don't see any utf-8 chinese fonts in apt, but maybe xfonts-intl-chinese would work
12:59<sney>ttf-vlgothic may also have what you need
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13:00<dserban>sney, installing now, thanks much, I just thought I needed to play with my locale again (ugh, as that somehow makes things worse) :)
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13:01<sney>dserban: unicode is the locale to end all locales
13:01<imperia>i have to unmount /home. coming back in a few
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13:02<dserban>I'm going to go re-read what I can find on debian's implementation, as I still don't understand it, after all these years.
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13:14<meowcats>in xmodmap i have bound keypress 122 to XF86AudioLowerVolume, but nothing happens when i press the button :(
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13:19<imperia>... so this is the error message if i try to run fsck.ext3 -b <superblock> /dev/hda9
13:19<imperia>Superblock needs_recovery flag is clear, but journal has data. Recovery flag not set in backup superblock, so running journal anyway. fsck.ext3: unable to set superblock flags on /dev/hda9
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13:23<locklace>imperia: you're at ted's mercy
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13:23<locklace>imperia: e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+bug/387692
13:24<locklace>imperia: maybe send a note to him, he'll probably be interested
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13:25<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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13:33<meowcats>in debian testing, nfs-kernel-server appears to be broken as well
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13:39<khades>meowcats
13:39<khades>funny nickname
13:39<meowcats>:|
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13:39<khades>:3
13:40<tp43>hi, my thinkpad screen stays blank on wake after suspend to ram
13:42<imperia>locklace: i've registered to launchpad. i will report my issue there.. hope ted will help somehow :( until then everything is working except those error message.... i've got it btw on every my drive /dev/hda9 /dev/hda7 /dev/hda6 /root is unaffected :/
13:43<abrotman>what does launchpad have to do with Debian ?
13:44<locklace>imperia: i'd just send him a note and reference that bug, since it's obviously the same issue; or add your info to it
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13:45<locklace>you could open a debian bug too just for good measure
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13:45<imperia>locklace: thank you very much for your support. i will write my info there. maybe i will post debian bug too. ted in maintainer of e2fs tools?
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13:47<meowcats>any helps with nfs ? :(
13:48<locklace>imperia: yeah
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13:49<imperia>locklace: very nice :) thanks again. hope he helps. looks like journal is corrupted. is it safe to clear it.. i mean.. will i lose my data? ext3 to ext2 conversion?
13:50<locklace>it's almost certainly not safe. if possible, leave things in their current state since it might provide ted with important info
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13:57<imperia>locklace: ok. i wont try recovery myself.
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14:02<meiteish0>Hi !
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14:04<df1amb>Hi. I am trying to make a xserver work without a monitor. The only display available is my TV. The problem now is that my xserver starts but leaves my TV blank. What could be wrong? My graphics adapter is a old radeon 9000 and I want to use the native linux drivers for that.
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14:10<meowcats>when i try to mount the nfs share i get : mount.nfs: mount to NFS server '192.168.2.101' failed: System Error: Connection refused"
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14:11<zeus>Hi all, i'mtrying to remove exim4 from my lenny installation using aptitude. When i hit aptitude purge exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light aptitude says there are dependence problem with mailx and ask me to install xmail. I do not want xmail 'cause i'm going to switch from exim to postfix.
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14:12<zeus>Ho cam i tell aptitudeto do its own business and do not stress me with xmail ?
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14:12<locklace>meowcats: what nfs version on both sides? paste the output of ps axww and rpcinfo -p on the server
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14:13<df1amb>zeus, how about installing postfix the same time when installing exim?
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14:14<meowcats>rpcinfo: http://paste.debian.net/57543/
14:14<zeus>df1amb: tell me i'm paranoic but i hate having two mtas on the same host. i'd like to have only one !
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14:15<meowcats>ps axww: http://paste.debian.net/57544/
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14:15<df1amb>zeus, this is what I told you. start aptitude and tell it to purge exim and to install postfix at the same time.
14:15<dererk>above from that, package dependencies wouldn't allow it
14:16<meowcats>server is running 1:1.2.0-4.1 from debian squeeze
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14:16<zeus>ok ... probably fixed ... aptitude install postfix ask me to remove exim4
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14:16<meowcats>client has 1:1.1.2-6 from lenny
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14:16<meowcats>same behavior from my popcornhour
14:17<locklace>meowcats: i mean what nfs protocol version
14:17<zeus>df1amb: ohhh ... i do not know postfix will accept more than one verb (install, remove)
14:17<meowcats>oh, i assume v4
14:17<zeus>df1amb: i'll relook at man page !
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14:17<locklace>meowcats: and getting rid of the -i option to portmap would be a start
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14:17<vassalli>sera
14:17<vassalli>scusate mi date una mano
14:18<vassalli>notebook acer 5920
14:18<adb>!it
14:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
14:18<vassalli>wif non funziona mi mancano i driver non lo vede non si accende
14:18<meowcats>locklace what do you mean?
14:18<adb>vassalli, ^^
14:18<vassalli>dimmi
14:19<df1amb>zeus, aptitude has a gui and with this you can do installing upgrading removing purging and so on at the same time
14:19<meowcats>oh, i see... but that must be the default behavior from portmap
14:19<vassalli>wif intel acer 5029
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14:19<locklace>meowcats: it is now, so change it
14:20<locklace>meowcats: /etc/default/portmap
14:20<meowcats>hmm ok, im reading through the man page
14:20<meowcats>-i seems like it could be the culrpit
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14:26<meowcats>locklace it works now :) thank you
14:26<locklace>!congratulate meowcats
14:26<dpkg>Yay meowcats, you did it!
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14:26<meowcats>in the portmap config, it says that the -i option is defaulted to commented out
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14:26<meowcats>but it WAS defaulted to uncommented
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14:27<meowcats>maybe someone made a typo?
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14:28<fatto>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1e:68:1f:16:bd
14:28<fatto> inet addr:192.168.2.2 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
14:28<fatto> inet6 addr: fe80::21e:68ff:fe1f:16bd/64 Scope:Link
14:28<fatto> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
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14:30<vassalli>ciao
14:30<vassalli>hi
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15:02<raylu>i have a thinkpad t400 with a built-in bluetooth adapter which i don't use most of the time. how do i turn it off to save power?
15:03<sney>disable it in bios?
15:03<raylu>i'd like to be able to turn it on without rebooting, though
15:03<cahoot>echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/bluetooth_enable
15:03<vassalli>acer 5920 wif
15:04<vassalli>disable
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15:04<raylu>cahoot: thanks
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15:30<df1amb>Hi. Is it possible to make a TV the main screen? I have looked for options to set in xorg.conf but have not found anything.
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15:31<slash123>hi all
15:31<slash123>anyone alive in here ?
15:32<cahoot>df1amb: tried xrandr?
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15:33<sney>I broke X, oops
15:33<df1amb>cahoot, yes that works but only if I am loged in. But I want to work without another monitor and in this case I do not see anything on my TV.
15:34<df1amb>cahoot, I want kdm to get displayed on my TV.
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15:36<cahoot>kde doesn't offer the choice of default output?
15:38<df1amb>I do not want to let kde choose because later I am planing to use both kde and gnome. Gnome with orca (the screen reader) so that my wife is also able to use it.
15:38<df1amb>This is the reason why I want Xorg itself manage it.
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15:44<abrotman>df1amb: set a modeline in your xorg.conf
15:44<cahoot>df1amb: I suspect the solution varies depending on what driver/card you use, I'd google on xorg + tv-out
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15:46<df1amb>abrotman, what modeline and where in xorg.conf
15:47<abrotman>i have no idea what the modeline would be
15:47<abrotman>!modelines
15:47<abrotman>!modeline
15:47<dpkg>You can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or use cvt or gtf, or apt-get install videogen
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15:48<mazze>I just upgraded the network-manager to squeeze, but now the nm-applet says, that there were no networking devices available. But there was my Ethernet and my WLAN-device there before, and I still see them on ifconfig -a. I also upgraded to the new udev of squeeze along with the 2.6.32-kernel. Any hint on my NM-problems?
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15:48<df1amb>cahoot, I did that for the last 5 hours or so. And I only came to the point that my TV is not detected by my graphicsadapter which by the way is an old radeon 9000.
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15:49<abrotman>mazze: just the n-m ?
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15:49<Lakeo>irc.abjects.net
15:50<mazze>abrotman I've the problems just with the n-m [applet].
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15:50<abrotman>mazze: just n-m, or the whole system was upgraded ?
15:51<mazze>abrotman As I already mentioned, I upgraded NM, NM-applet, udev, kernel (to 2.6.32) and dependencies (were not too many, merely gnome-keyring and the things.)
15:51<abrotman>mazze: so you didn't upgrade the whole system ?
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15:52<mazze>abrotman indeed, I didn't.
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15:52<abrotman>mazze: that's probably part of your problem .. i have squeeze on this laptop, and my n-m works
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15:52<mazze>abrotman actually, I tried first with the lenny-backports, but I got the problem there already, and I hoped, the situation would improve with those parts of squeeze ...
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15:53<df1amb>abrotman, I do not think a modeline is what I need.
15:53<abrotman>mazze: mixing stable with testing/unstable is really not recommended and usually breaks stuff
15:53<abrotman>df1amb: okay
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15:53<mazze>abrotman Oh, I really would N-M expect to work on squeeze, but maybe there is just something screwed up on my system ....
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15:53<abrotman>mazze: i said .. it does work here
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15:54<mazze>abrotman thank you for your try anyway ...
15:55<abrotman>mazze: either upgrade your system all the way to squeeze, or undo what you have done
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15:56<df1amb>abrotman, to get to the point I need an option to make the xserver set my tv as first screen and my monitor as the second one.
15:57<abrotman>df1amb: have you tried creating a custom xorg.conf ?
15:57<df1amb>abrotman, Yes but did not work.
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15:57<abrotman>was there an error? or did the tv explode?
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15:59<df1amb>abrotman, No my TV did not explode. and there was no error.
16:01<df1amb>I think the tv is simply not detected. beause I have to use xrandr --output S-video --set laod_detection 1 to make my tv detected by X.
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16:02<Dijit>hello
16:02<cahoot>df1amb: but - if you do that you actually get a good display?
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16:04<Dijit>wtf
16:04<df1amb>cahoot, indeed. But I have to execute xrandr --output S-video --auto after the first run of xrandr
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16:05<df1amb>cahoot, the first run only enables the detection of my tv I think.
16:06<musca>Dijit: don't panic - oh, too late
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16:33<bubo>test message
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16:33<bubo>xchat works out of the box...
16:33<Zathras_>hi. For kernel 2.6.32 there is yet no headers package, so I downloaded the source tree. Problem now is that the binary kernel I have installed (2.6.32-trunk-amd64) is different from the source according to `uname -r`
16:33<abrotman>Zathras_: there is for me .. i compiled a driver against it
16:34<Zathras_>this a popular kernelversion detection mechanism in installer scripts. How can I work around this please?
16:34<abrotman>Zathras_: there is a headers package
16:34<Zathras_>cool. Failed to find it :-( Have to look again I suppose
16:35<abrotman>Zathras_: aptitude search linux-headers-2.6
16:36<Zathras_>I am running Lenny but needed to experiment with 2.6.32 so I installed that manually
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16:39<Zathras_>got it now so it seems. ty abrotman
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16:40<Zathras_>could be that it is not on all mirrors
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17:07<trippeh>In sid/unstable, whats the current recomended way to disable the udev persistent network interface name rules generator?
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17:07<trippeh>Its screwing up with multiple wlan interfaces on the same wlan phy.
17:08<trippeh>Tries to rename all my virtual ifs to wlan0 :-P
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17:10<trippeh>It seems to have changed somewhat since Lenny.
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17:34<tp43>kde and gnome doesn't handle laptop lid events so well, I am using lxde instead. I spent lots of time trying to configure debian, and then I tried lxde for the heck of it, after trying knoppix, and lid events work fine. So its not debian config, rather kde and gnome configs that are doing lid events so good; namely, when I close lid or manually sleep, the screen remains blank when I wake
17:34<PerfDave>Hmm, I'm trying to back up a Windows install on a laptop in case I need to take it back; is there a better way of doing this than "dd | gzip | nc" from a livecd and "nc > file" on the fileserver?
17:35*abrotman wonders how PerfDave got to OFTC
17:36<tp43>PerfDave, I just left it on there, cause sometimes, you need a windows system. Like I had this ipaq handheld, and well, I needed active sync which is only available on windows.
17:38<tp43>But I used gparted I think it was called to shrink the partition, and make room for linux, but I wish I had shrunk it down to like 2gig, cause I never ever boot it, accept that one time for my ipaq for about 5mins
17:38<PerfDave>tp43: I disagree with your assertion :)
17:39<tp43>PerfDave, hmmm, what do you disagree with?
17:39<PerfDave>tp43: That sometimes you need a Windows system.
17:39<locklace>PerfDave: not significantly
17:39<PerfDave>abrotman: I've always been on OFTC
17:39<abrotman>lies!
17:40<tp43>PerfDave, well, I was playing familiar linux, and then I need to go back to windows to flash the wifi drivers for wpa, besides that, I never need it. But I have this science program for Windows, that I should use and work on, and I only have a free windows version, and it doesn't run with wine, soo...but I never use it anyway. Plus, if I sell my laptop, I can give them windows
17:41<PerfDave>tp43: You might need Windows, but I do just fine without it :)
17:42<tp43>PerfDave, well, if you had an ipaq handheld, and you wanted to flash the wifi drivers for wpa, cause thats what all the hotspots these days use, then, you will need windows. I never boot windows though
17:42<PerfDave>tp43: I don't have an ipaq handheld :)
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17:43<tp43>PerfDave, man...I put linux on it, it was sweet, but I could read my sdcard, and I could get secure web browsing, they had some minimo firefox, but it was discontinued
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17:45<tp43>I used it for a while, cause I was in somekind of jail, and they took away my laptop, so I could sneak my ipaq around in my sock
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17:45<tp43>now I am out, so I have my laptop, so I use my ipaq for an alarm clock, thats about it
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17:49<tp43>MS people will jail you, watch out, they got lots power
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18:16<g-guest>hey guys i set up 4 screen sessions and somehow i accidentally managed to set an extra 3 up but I cant seem to kill those sessions
18:16<g-guest>using "screen" that is
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18:19<ZimmE>it says that the amd64 kernel in squeeze is running on xen as domU, doesn't that cause overhead compared to running it native?
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18:20<petemc>ZimmE: what says that?
18:20<ZimmE>debian packages description
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18:20<df1amb>!beer df1amb
18:20*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Yuengling Lager for df1amb
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18:21<petemc>ZimmE: which package exactly?
18:21<zobel>dpkg: beer is a good idea!
18:21*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Pils for is a good idea!
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18:22<ZimmE>linux-image-2.6-amd64
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18:22<ZimmE>This kernel also runs on a Xen hypervisor. It supports only unprivileged (domU) operation.
18:22<petemc>right, it can be used a kernel for a domU
18:22<g-guest>Anyone? I have some 'screen' sessions that i cant remove - how to i kill them?
18:23<df1amb>g-guest, kill your xserver completly or reboot
18:23<kmap>g-guest: If you know the pids, screen -r <pid> can be used to attach to them
18:23<ZimmE>aah, so u can run i in a xen domU container/environment?
18:23<kmap>g-guest: And you can exit them safely
18:24<kmap>df1amb: Not a good solution; g-guest is asking about GNU Screen, I guess.
18:24<petemc>ZimmE: you can run it as a domU
18:24<g-guest>kmap: when I try screen -r ID one of them causes my SSH to go idle /crash and the other two doesnt put me into the session
18:24<kmap>g-guest: Let me check.
18:24<petemc>you could try sreen -wipe
18:25<kmap>g-guest: screen -ls
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18:25<kmap>g-guest: screen -dr pid
18:25<g-guest>petemc i tried wipe seconds ago and it's still on the list
18:25<ZimmE>kthx, guess I missunderstood the description then =P
18:25<kmap>g-guest: screen -dr would work
18:26<g-guest>kmap screen -dr 6495.6044.l4d1
18:26<kmap>Right, I guess...
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18:26<g-guest>kmap: send me back outside of screen
18:26<kmap>Er, no
18:26<kmap>What I meant is this
18:26<kmap>Open a fresh (out-of-screen) terminal
18:26<kmap>There, issue one of the screen -dr <pid>... commands to enter the screen
18:26<kmap>Exit
18:26<df1amb>kmap, thought he was asking to kill xsessions but since he did not said what exectly he want to do I thougt about a reboot.
18:27<kmap>df1amb: I don't blame you; it was ambiguous. ;-)
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18:27<g-guest>kmap: please elborate 'fresh terminal' please
18:28<kmap>g-guest: A fresh xterm, or a fresh xterm and ssh to the server to a shell without screen
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18:28<kmap>If you are talking about screens on a remote machine, all I am saying is, open a fresh terminal and ssh to the remote machine.
18:28<g-guest>kmap when i log into root for the first time with SSH?
18:29<kmap>I don't understand where the screens are, Are they on your local machine or a remote machine?
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18:29<g-guest>kmap: remote server
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18:29<kmap>Well, then ssh to the remote server
18:29<kmap>From a new terminal window
18:30<g-guest>kmap: ok done. now screen -dr id?
18:30<kmap>g-guest: I'd guess so.
18:31<df1amb>kmap, I know but I had a some bottles of beer and some hot wine.
18:31<kmap>df1amb: Hah. :-)
18:32<g-guest>kmap: looks like that worked. but one still makes my SSH freeze when i attach it
18:32<kmap>g-guest: That's weird. I can't really tell why that happens.
18:32<ml|>try ... screen -raAd
18:32<kmap>g-guest: Alternately, why not just kill -9 it?
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18:32<g-guest>kmap and now it's unfrozen XD
18:33<kmap>Wow.
18:33<kmap>Great! :-)
18:33<witte> /quit
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18:33<g-guest>kmap: i did try killing process using ps -a but i might have done that wrong
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18:33<kmap>g-guest: You should use kill <pid> for killing it.
18:33<g-guest>kmap: but thnk you very much for your help :£
18:34<petemc>pstree is useful
18:34<g-guest>kmap yes, and ps -a to get the is?
18:34<g-guest>id*
18:34<kmap>ps aux|grep [s]creen
18:34<kmap>Right
18:34<kmap>But screen -ls is more reliable for screen
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18:34<g-guest>kmap: Thanks again :3
18:34<kmap>No problems. Enjoy!
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19:41<twb>I notice that *testing's* linux-image-686 wants to pull in a "trunk" version of the kernel.
19:42<twb>Is that a good idea?
19:42<twb>My gut feeling would be "no fucking way", but maybe the kernel packaging team have just changed their naming convention
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19:44<themill>twb: it's their indication that there is no stable ABI in these packages (unlike the -1-, -2- etc that they would normally use). Managing out-of-tree modules is therefore entirely up to you and apt will not help you.
19:45<twb>themill: does that include Debian's own out-of-tree modules, such as aufs?
19:46<themill>Yes. Kernel ABI changes are not being tracked by apt, it's up to you (i.e. you have to always recompile out-of-tree modules rather than only when changing from a -1- to -2- kernel)
19:46<chealer>twb: I suppose it's a good idea to upgrade. whether the Linux team's idea was good may have a different answer...
19:47<twb>I don't trust the Linux team to find their own ass with both hands
19:47<chealer>themill: you don't have to recompile when the ABI doesn't change.
19:48<themill>chealer: correct. But unless you look carefully at the source yourself, you don't know with these -trunk- kernels.
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19:48<themill>With the stable ABI kernels, the kernel team tells you when you need to recompile them and your kernel won't even find the old ones in the different directory.
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19:50<chealer>themill: oh. sorry, I thought you were describing the previous situation
19:51<themill>ahh
19:52<abrotman>this is going to be more of a 'hey .. it did break .. that stinks'
19:54<chealer>aka "why did X break?!?!?!?!"
19:55<abrotman>pretty much
19:56<themill>well, that also happens now when there's an ABI change.
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19:59<chealer>it can, though APT can hint and people are used to foresee these situations. "module not found" is less bad than "invalid module format" IMO.
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20:02<themill>APT doesn't hint though. They just reboot into their new kernel and there's no driver for $hardware any more. And if that's a network card, there's no way of downloading the necessary kernel headers to be able to recompile the module.
20:02<tp43>can someone direct me to instruction for installing from .tar.gz?
20:02<tp43>especially part about making into deb file
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20:04<twb>themill: I hate to break it to you, man, but that could happen with "stable" ABIs, too.
20:05<themill>twb: I've never seen that happen and it would only occur if someone has screwed up. With the trunk kernels, they're not even trying to track that.
20:05<twb>It can happen when a module is removed from the kernel between 2.6.n and 2.6.n+1
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20:06<twb>It can happen when n+1 introduced a bug into a module that makes it not work with a particular hardware revision.
20:06<twb>I grant you that the latter case is "someone screwing up", but it's the kernel hackers, not me.
20:06<themill>umm... that's got nothing to do with the debian kernel ABI that we're talking about though
20:07<twb>What, Debian adds an additional ABI on top of the upstream kernel?
20:07<abrotman>!abi
20:07<dpkg>well, abi is application binary interface. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernelABIChanges
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20:09<themill>twb: we're talking about upgrading from (say) etch's 2.6.18-5 kernel to the 2.6.18-6 kernel. This is debian promising that the ABI has been kept the same (same ABI number) or changed (different ABI). Upstream kernel makes no such promises at all. (Yes, that's what I was trying to explain to you 30min ago)
20:10<twb>I didn't realize that Debian was adding that guarantee.
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20:10<themill>Never wondered what those numbers were in the kernel package name?
20:10<twb>I assumed that upstream used to, then they stopped, and Debian had just decided to "fix" their versioning to reflect this.
20:10<abrotman>are you serious?
20:11<twb>Sure.
20:11<twb>Though I assumed that 2.6.n and 2.6.n+1 were automatically different ABIs.
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20:12<twb>I guess I just viewed the -m- part as noise.
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20:12<themill>we're still not talking about n and n+1
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20:13<tp43>is there an app to run for selecting respositories?
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20:13<twb>tp43: apt-spy, sudoedit /etc/apt/sources.list, reading the secondary mirror list posted on debian.org, asking your ISP/college if they have a tertiary mirror.
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20:20<tp43>thanks twb
20:20<tp43>how do you install xqde.xiaprojects.com, there is no configure, and make returns error, No rule to make target `/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf'
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20:26<tp43>apt-spy sucks
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20:29<twb>tp43: yes, it does
20:30<tp43>twb, there should be a program that works the way you can select when you first do an install, same goes for all those messages you see at boot time. dmesg isn't the same
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20:33<tp43>where is the secondary mirror list posted on debian.org?
20:33<tp43>am I stupid?
20:33<tp43>why am I running backports?
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20:34<tp43>if I upgrade to testing, will I get kde4?
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20:34<tp43>found it http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors
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20:35<twb>tp43: I just know off the top of my head where my local mirrors are, so I don't remember how to work it out
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20:35<chealer>tp43: testing has KDE 4, yes
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20:36<tp43>cooler, so I can just change my sources.list from stable to testing, and do apt-get install kde?
20:36<tp43>eh chealer ?
20:37<twb>!tell tp43 about stable->testing
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20:38<tp43>guess what, I thought there was some debian config issue with my laptop suspend and hibernate, but then when I installed lxde, I have no problems, but kde and gnome, when I suspend, and try to wake, it doesn't, screen stays black, and moon crescent stays lit
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20:41<twb>tp43: sounds like a feature
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20:42<tp43>twb, its not a very good feature then, you can't wake up from sleep, and have to reboot
20:42<twb>!feature
20:42<dpkg>A feature is something that a piece of hardware or software is designed to do. Many things that appear to be bugs are actually features. Often, a hardware or software developer will have to make a tradeoff in functionality that causes some undesirable effects. If they are aware of this and accept it, it is not a bug, but a feature.
20:43<twb>"feature" is programmer-speak for "I can't be bothered fixing it"
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20:43<twb>GNOME seems to be especially good at them.
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20:44<tp43>hey, I have major issues, compiz working on lxde, the top window bar doesn't show up, also, I wanna get kxdocker working, and I wanna install xqde docker from source
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20:47<chealer>tp43: suspend and hibernate are generally broken on Debian. consider yourself lucky when it works
20:48<tp43>chealer, well, what I am trying to say is that, its not a debian issue, its a kde and gnome issue, cause it works fine when you use the lxde desktop
20:49<chealer>tp43: that's unlikely. I use only KDE on this install. sometimes it wakes up, sometimes the screen stays black.
20:50<tp43>chealer, I find it works if you wake within a couple mins, but after more than that it doesn't
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20:50<tp43>chealer, but try xqde, it works flawless, when I never tried hibernate, but suspend to ram works
20:51<tp43>man...I hope testing works, cause I am doing the upgrade
20:52<chealer>tp43: that's not my experience. you'll have a variety of bugs on a variety of installs.
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20:54<tp43>how do you restart or stop xscreensaver and xlockmore
20:55<tp43>chealer, c'mon, if you install on a piece of hardware 100 times, you will have all the same bugs, unless debian releases a newer version
20:56<chealer>tp43: probably, I should have said a variety of machines
20:56<twb>tp43: you stop xlockmore by entering your password when prompted.
20:56<tp43>chealer, agree with you then
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20:57<tp43>well, I am doing a dist upgrade, and it says I should arrange for those to be stopped or restarted cause it says incompatible library changes, the upgrade of the GNU libc library will leave you │
20:57<tp43> │ unable to authenticate to these programs
21:00<tp43>ok I killed the xscreensaver, but don't know how to for xlockmore
21:00<ml|> you will need to reboot anyways, that should fix that
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21:01<tp43>ml|, ok then, thanks
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21:03<tp43>ok, I gotta go, I am just gonna do the upgrade from text terminal
21:03<ml|>good luck
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21:04<cuervo>hi
21:04<tp43>ok, wait, I have this command in a file called command.txt, now how do I run those command from a text terminal?
21:04*cuervo hides
21:04<tp43>echo 'cat command.txt' doesn't work
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21:06<tp43>ahh, forget it, I just typed it all
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21:06<tp43>c ya soon guys. man...everytime I come here, I end up upgrading my system, or backports or something
21:06<tp43>c ya soon guys. man...everytime I come here, I end up upgrading my system, or backports or something
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21:10<twb>. command.txt or eval command.txt
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21:11<twb>eval `cat command.txt`, rather
21:11<abrotman>he's gone
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21:18<tp43>lots of dependency issue upgrading to testing
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21:19<altaira>hi! Is possible to install squeeze using the debian installer given that my access point has WPA enabled?
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21:21<Nemoder>!wpa
21:21<dpkg>wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant
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21:23<altaira>wow that was fast thanks a lot
21:23<sney`>that should really be a priority
21:24<sney`>best option would be to install from cd1. second best would be to install the base system from netinst, then sneakernet the required packages to get wifi/wpa working, and install the tasks from that point
21:24<tp43>!squeeze
21:24<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>.
21:24<sney`>tp43: you can also /msg dpkg
21:25<tp43>this dist upgrade is gonna take hours it looks like, it still checking dependencies
21:25<altaira>sney: sneakernet? tasks?
21:26<tp43>confict 69
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21:27<tp43>I think something is wrong, it shouldn't be this long over and over again, conflict 69
21:28<twb>tp43: You wanted ". command.txt"
21:28<sney`>altaira: heh, sneakernet is slang for moving software in the real world on removable media, it's what you do when you're not networked. and tasks are the debian software blobs, there are tasks like 'web server' or 'desktop' that will give you everything you need for either one
21:28<tp43>twb, nah, I just manually typed it in
21:28<tp43>it was that apititude && aptitude...update, upgrade...business, wasn't it you whole gave me the command?
21:29<sney`>it was dpkg probably
21:29<tp43>aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade
21:29<sney`>that is how it goes
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21:30<tp43>sney, I don't think its gonna work though, I changed stable to testing in my sources.list, and then ran that command, and it is stuck at the dependencies
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21:30<sney`>tp43: do them one at a time then
21:30<sney`>so you can see where the problem is
21:31<tp43>sney, I think I made a mistake, what is the instructions for upgrading from stable to testing again? Actually, I am gonna skip it for now anyway
21:32<ml|>tp43: /msg dpkg tum
21:32<ml|>oopd
21:32<twb>!tell tp43 about stable->testing
21:32<ml|>that is what I meant
21:33<tp43>what does then s/lenny/squeeze/ mean?
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21:33<sney`>that means replace where it says 'lenny' in sources.list with 'squeeze'
21:33<sney`>or 'stable' with 'testing'
21:33<tp43>I will leave kde4 for now
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21:35<tp43>man compiz doesn't include the top of the window bar on lxde, or works on kde though
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21:36<ml|>tp43: do you understand the debian releases?
21:36<tp43>ml|, a little
21:37<ml|>tp43: this should help /msg dpkg releases
21:38<tp43>be back later
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21:39<ml|>I hope he is not stuck now with stuff from testing and wants to stay with stable
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21:44<twb>Tough shit
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22:21<mickk>Hello, I'm on Squeeze and I have installed fglrx, but I'm not sure how to tell X11 about it
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22:24<raylu>mickk: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
22:25<mickk>no
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22:29<raylu>switch to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1), as root kill X ("invoke-rc.d gdm stop" if you're running gnome) and run "X -configure"
22:29<mickk>it aborts with a (WW)
22:29<twb>mickk: I don't think we support fglrx
22:29<raylu>W is for warnings, isn't it?
22:30<mickk>(assuing X -configure is the same as Xorg -configure)
22:30<mickk>Yes
22:30<twb>raylu: in Xorg logs, WW is warnings, yes. It should say as much at the start of the log.
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22:30<twb>raylu: and they are the same, if you're using Xorg as your X server.
22:30<raylu>then it shouldn't abort with warnings...
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22:30<mickk>"No matching Device section for instance..."
22:30<twb>raylu: I suspect mickk doesn't know how to read xorg output
22:31<mickk>I probably don't
22:31<mickk>In any case I have the log (from X -configure) handy
22:32<ml|>dpkg: fglrx
22:32<dpkg>somebody said fglrx was "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net.
22:32<mickk>So I must have a xorg.conf ?
22:33<raylu>i'd suggest pasting the log to http://paste.debian.net/ first
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22:35<mickk>http://paste.debian.net/57573 it is then
22:36<mickk>It's only the console though, is /var/log/Xorg.0.log needed ?
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22:39<tp43>you know what else, lzde auto connects to internet, with kde and gnome, I have to log in root, and type dhclient, cause I disabled it during startup for when I boot off network
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22:42<cesurasean>anyone know why virtualbox is freezing my computer when i open it on a new install of squeeze? :(
22:43<cesurasean>wait, it's not when i open, it's when i click on "new". sorry.
22:44<raylu>mickk: never seen an output like that. no /root/xorg.conf is generated? perhaps you should try dpkg's recommendations
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22:47<mickk>no xorg.conf there either; so I can't have X configure itself ?
22:47<cesurasean>what's another good virtual computer program besides virtualbox?
22:48<ml|>cesurasean: you have the necessary kernel modules for vbox?
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22:50<raylu>mickk: you should be able to. perhaps a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log will be enlightening.
22:50<raylu>sorry for the slow reponses, btw. if you put my nick in a message, i'll likely respond faster
22:50<cesurasean>ml, which one?
22:50<cesurasean>gtk?
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22:51<ml|>is it vbox-ose or vbox from vbox repos?
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22:55<cesurasean>ml, vbox ose.
22:55<cesurasean>with gtk installed
22:55<ml|>what does ... /sbin/modinfo vboxdrv return?
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22:56<cesurasean>ml, h/o a sec.
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22:57<tp43>oh man, my linux system is so sweet now
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22:59<cesurasean>http://pastebin.com/f49e32247
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23:02<tp43>I got compiz and avant-window-manager, man...you can't buy better than that. Only problem is it doesn't work on lxde, compiz that is, the window border don't show up
23:02<ml|>cesurasean: you have the modules built dkms, so it might be a vbox-gtk issue, maybe try with vox-ose-qt
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23:02<ml|>*with
23:03<twb>Ooh, I never knew about modinfo
23:03<cesurasean>can i remove the gtk without affecting ose?
23:03<ml|>it should be no problem
23:04<ml|>you need one or the other for vbox-ose to work
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23:06<cesurasean>i removed the gtk, and it's still doing it.
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23:06<ml|>with vbox-ose-qt?
23:07<cesurasean>ml, how do i find vbox-ose-qt inside add/remove programs?
23:07<cesurasean>when i search for virtualbox, only gtk and ose are to be found.,
23:08<cesurasean>where do i find vbox-ose-qt?
23:08<ml|>cesurasean: the full name is ... virtualbox-ose-qt
23:08<cesurasean>ok, i just had to reboot again, so i will try. apt-get install virtualbox-ose-qt
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23:09<ml|>aptitude show virtualbox-ose-qt
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23:09<ml|>aptitude install virtualbox-ose-qt ;)
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23:09<cesurasean>already newest version installed.
23:10<ml|>so you had both installed?
23:10<cesurasean>no
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23:10<cesurasean>i removed the gtk
23:11<ml|>same problem with vbox-ose-qt?
23:11<cesurasean>im gonna remove qt, and try gtk
23:11<cesurasean>i dont know how that was even installed?
23:12<ml|>it's a recommends, but I don't understand which where you using before then?
23:12<cesurasean>nope
23:13<cesurasean>when i have just gtk installed, i cant see the icon anymore.
23:13<cesurasean>but it doesn't seem either are working, quite frankly.
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23:16<ml|>seems so, but if you had both installed that might be a problem; how where starting it?
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23:16<mickk>I'm back -- are the warnings (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fglrx any help for my woes ?
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23:17<ml|>mickk: /msg dpkg fglrx
23:18<mickk>So I just scratch X -configure and roll out my xorg.conf ?
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23:21<cesurasean>ml|, sorry for butchering your nick, first off. how do i get this working? :(
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23:24<ml|>cesurasean: I'm not sure, but right now you have one installed right?
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23:26<ml|>you can try to starting from a terminal and see if you get any info when it crashes in that terminal
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23:27<cesurasean>yeah, removed qt, and install gtk.
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23:40<cesurasean>ml|, does this have anything to do with dual processors, or anything, maybe?
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23:42<cesurasean>or does that even make sense? that's the only thing different from this machine that i can think of.
23:43<sney`>cpu virtualization?
23:43<twb>cesurasean: qemu can emulate up to 256 CPUs
23:45<cesurasean>does everyone use virtualbox, or is there something just as nice i can use?
23:46<cesurasean><slaps virtualbox around>
23:46<twb>virtualbox is for losers who use desktops
23:47<twb>start-stop-daemon + qemu/kvm -monitor pty -serial -pty -append serial=ttyS0 is where it's at
23:48<cesurasean>for some odd reason the computer locked up without virtualbox, i believe. :/
23:49<cesurasean>twb, whats wrong with a linux desktop?
23:49<twb>Desktops are for the weak
23:49<twb>People who don't know how to read and write, so they need to point and grunt at little pictures
23:50<cesurasean>doesn't everyone use some type of "desktop" though?
23:50*TCW really wonders how twbs desktop does look like :)
23:51<twb>TCW: fbcon
23:51<TCW>twb, uhhh... how geeky you are! :p
23:51<ml|>haha
23:51<snogglethorpe>wouldn't it be cool if there was a bug that cause your disk to be erased if you had too many icons on your "desktop"?
23:51<twb>TCW: hardly. I've bumped up the resolution, and left images on in the browser and everything
23:51<ml|>cesurasean: vbox works fine here
23:51<snogglethorpe>on windows too of course
23:52<cesurasean>twb, if you only knew how i picture you in person.
23:52<TCW>I find it kinda stupid to watch p0rn with beatiful women on an ugly framebuffer console without any eye-candy... so a nice looking Desktop is a MUST for real men! ;)
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23:53<twb>TCW: you can watch porn in mplayer on fbcon quite easily
23:53<TCW>twb, I know
23:53*ml| I don't use a DE but do use vbox :)
23:53<twb>mplayer -vo fbdev2 http://hentai.plan9.de/something
23:53<snogglethorpe>TCW: wait, so real, heavily mustachioed men, have frilly flower-bedecked windows?!
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23:55<TCW>snogglethorpe, I absolutely hope not! beautiful does not mean gay! :)
23:56<snogglethorpe>TCW: hm, so glistening golden curlicue'd windows?
23:56<ml|>regardless it's all about what _you_ prefer, not what others use ;)
23:56<snogglethorpe>i suppose it matches when they oil up
23:57<TCW>ml|, ack! :)
23:57<twb>xmoto doesn't work without GLX extension in my X server.
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23:57<twb>Am I allowed to file a bug because it doesn't depend on it?
23:58<ml|>twb: if you want file a bug report with reportbug
23:59<TCW>twb, it is a free world we live in... so... :)
23:59<twb>It occurs to me it might not be reasonable if GL works with a remote X server
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