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---Logopened Mon Jan 25 00:00:00 2010
00:01<ml|>the dev will set you straight if you are wrong, but I file a bug when I'm pretty certain on the cause or try to atleast
00:02<ml|>also checking bts before filing a new bug report
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00:07<cesurasean>ml|, my vbox doesn't. :(
00:09<ml|>cesurasean: you can look thru bts for any similar issue and/or start from scratch http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
00:11<ml|>also http://forums.debian.net/ might be of help
00:11<cesurasean>yuck
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00:11<cesurasean>it seems this may be the reason the machine was so cheap.
00:11<cesurasean>it's a compaq prolient, with a weird bios unlike most machines.
00:12<cesurasean>proliant*
00:12<ml|>cesurasean: and what did you mean by ... < cesurasean> for some odd reason the computer locked up without virtualbox, i believe. :/
00:12<cesurasean>i think this is hardware related, honestly.
00:12<twb>cesurasean: that's a pretty old series
00:12<cesurasean>yes
00:12<twb>cesurasean: are you sure it has the grunt to virtualize anything?
00:12<cesurasean>dual p3's
00:12<cesurasean>twb, no.
00:12<twb>For virtualization it'd be better to just go out and buy something that can do hardware virtualization
00:13<ml|>oh, maybe that is the cause
00:13<cesurasean>compaq proliant DL360
00:13<sney`>it's just a modified intel bios with a special splash
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00:13<sney`>compaq dl360 used to be a great workhorse
00:13<twb>Intel don't make BIOSes
00:13<sney`>it's from the days before virtualization
00:14<cesurasean>sney`, what about the windows boot disks it requires. ive read that was an odd feature.
00:14<Nemoder>you might want to file a bug report anyway, it can be helpful for anyone else crazy enough to run that hardware :)
00:14<ml|>yes and use vbox, kvm, whatever that supports hardware virtualization
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00:14<sney`>excuse me, whatever bios intel used in the reference design, compaq changed it moderately and put their splash on
00:14<sney`>that's what they do.
00:14<sney`>cesurasean: what, the smartstart or whatever? iirc that is optional
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00:15<ml|>companies tend to do that
00:15<cesurasean>yes, smartstart.
00:15<cesurasean>I was afraid that is the reason it won't work. :/
00:15<sney`>later smartstart was just a linux livecd
00:15<cesurasean>probably why it was so cheap, too.
00:15<cesurasean>;0
00:15<sney`>earlier smartstart is a collection of utilities for setting the raid arrays and whatnot
00:15<ml|>you get what you pay for ;)
00:16<sney`>I can't remember which generation the dl360 came with
00:16<sney`>the reason for it being cheap, on the other hand, is because it's old.
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00:16<cesurasean>why does old matter much?
00:16<sney`>lacks the oomph for modern applications. but it'd make a great fileserver.
00:16<cesurasean>whoever sold it to me wasn't very smart about pricing it.
00:17<ml|>yep
00:17<sney`>last time I deployed one of those was in 2006, and even then it was getting kinda crusty. that was also as a file server.
00:17<cesurasean>it's still a powerful 1U
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00:17<ml|>cesurasean: why about the pricing but?
00:17<sney`>how much did you pay for it?
00:17<cesurasean>$50
00:17<ml|>s/but/bit/
00:17<cesurasean>:)
00:17<sney`>that is a good deal.
00:18<cesurasean>ebay rocks.
00:18<cesurasean>without HD's, of course.
00:18<sney`>just don't expect it to be a modern server, because it isn't
00:18<cesurasean>hd's cost me 50 as well.
00:18<ml|>yeah 50 is not bad, now get something more up to date ;)
00:18<sney`>I think they stopped making the white-front proliants in 2002 or so
00:18<cesurasean>i have better machines than this..
00:19<ml|>then use vbox on them
00:19<sney`>dl360 spans both bezel designs so I'm guessing yours is about 7 years old.
00:19<sney`>just use it for software tests and compiles and file hosting
00:19<cesurasean>sney`, i need to see how old it is. it's amazing they last so long.
00:19<sney`>gimme the model number
00:20<sney`>6 digits - 3 digits (usually 001)
00:20*ml| loves his T23 from the late 90's :)
00:20<sney`>oh yeah the t23 was bombproof
00:20<twb>Ugh. Why does cups use gif images for its buttons
00:20<cesurasean>6J2CJNT160s6
00:20<cesurasean>S
00:20<twb>The package is full of localized .gif files
00:20<cesurasean>whoops
00:21<ml|>sney`: is ;)
00:21<sney`>heh fair enough
00:21<cesurasean>6J2CJNT160S6
00:21<sney`>that's a serial number but close enough
00:22<sney`>ooh, tualatin P3s. nice.
00:22<cesurasean>yeah that's all i can get to right now. :(
00:22<ml|>hopefully my T23 will last me another ~10 years
00:23<cesurasean>how long do you think mine will last?
00:23<cesurasean>it'
00:23<cesurasean>it's not really not that nice of a machine
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00:24<cesurasean>powerful, maybe. poorly designed though.
00:24<ml|>depends what your purpose will be for it and if the hardware does not fail
00:24<cesurasean>this one has some numbers wrote on it, etc, probably tons of usage.
00:24<sney`>looks like 2002 or 2003. to get the actual build date you'll have to flip it over and look at the stickers. there'll also be manufacturing dates on the motherboard pcb
00:25<cesurasean>im amazed it's actually running.
00:25<sney`>they're built to last
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00:25<javi>org
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00:26<sney`>I found an old PPro server in a datacenter once, running netware and plugged into nothing
00:26<Adaniel>Hi fellows I have a Intel T5200 Processor with Intel® 64 architecture feature, would you be so kind to help on which Debian pack I need to install (AMD64, x386 or Ia64)?
00:26<TCW>cesurasean, apart from the harddisk, I guess the rest can last for ages
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00:26<sney`>Adaniel: i386 and amd64 will both work, amd64 is recommended to utilize the 64-bit cpu features and high memory limits
00:26*allu2 has debian running on pentium 2 300mhz ~360mb ram...
00:26<TCW>T5200? What kind of CPU is that?
00:27<sney`>fits with their new desktop naming scheme
00:27<sney`>probably new
00:27<TCW>i7 / i5 is out again?
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00:27<TCW>s/out/obsolete/
00:27<sney`>no idea
00:28<altaira>Hi there. I've just finished network installing squeeze. How can I fetch the remaining packages?
00:28<Adaniel>Its a Intel Core2Duo as detailed http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27252
00:28<allu2>btw what is version number of squeeze?
00:29<ml|>Adaniel: if you are not going to use more than ~3.3gb of ram or do dev work I'd use i386
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00:29<TCW>Adaniel, ahh... thanks
00:29<TCW>ml|, altaira wants to know, not Adaniel :)
00:29<sney`>no he had it right
00:30<ml|>TCW: look again ;)
00:30<sney`>altaira: tasksel
00:30<altaira>sney: I've already tried tasksel I guess I need to set up the repositories
00:31<TCW>ml|, oops... how could that happen? *blushes*
00:31<ml|>it happens np
00:31<sney`>altaira: yep, I figured you already had
00:31<TCW>altaira, what are rhe "remaining packages"?
00:31<ml|>yeah ^
00:31<TCW>the even
00:32<altaira>sney: where can I find the URL's?
00:32<sney`>he was in here earlier, I figure he means the desktop environment stuff
00:33<TCW>sney`, as in apt-get install gnome?
00:33<ml|>that should be fine with installed sources.list
00:33<sney`>installed sources.list doesn't include network sources if no network was detected during install
00:34<altaira>sney: :)
00:34<sney`>anyway
00:34<sney`>!repos
00:34<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
00:34<Adaniel>What's means IA64 arquitecture regarding Debian packs, because I tought that will be in my case...
00:34<icebrain>!ia64
00:34<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
00:34<sney`>Adaniel: ia64 is for itanium, which is an older cpu architecture used for servers. it is unrelated to your computer and would not work if you tried it.
00:35<ml|>< altaira> Hi there. I've just finished network installing squeeze., then ?
00:36<sney`>as i recall, he installed the base system from the netinst disc, because netinst doesn't support wpa
00:36<Adaniel>Oh Thank You very much to clarify me regarding it... best regards
00:36<ml|>ok, but that's not what he just said tho ;)
00:37<sney`>fair enough. I'm just working from memory and the understanding that his english might be a little shaky
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00:37<TCW>Adaniel, IA64 == Itanium, a complete new 64bit redisign, amd64 is the more casual approuch to 64bit and a complete different story. To make it short, IA64 was to expensive, to most folks did buy amd64 boxes from amd (which is just an enhanced 64bit arch based on i386), so intel decided to licence the amd stuff and built amd64 capable CPUs as well
00:37<ml|>just trying to understand the logic is all
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00:38<TCW>that means almost ever, if you do not know what arch you have there... it is amd64 :)
00:39<TCW>because you KNOW when you had to pay the high prices for itanium servers :)
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00:42<altaira>sney: thanks a lot
00:42<sney`>no problem
00:43<Adaniel>Another question, is it possible to install a vmware into debian?
00:43<sney`>there are a few virtual machine programs available, like virtualbox
00:44<ml|>dpkg: vmware
00:44<dpkg>VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>.
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00:45<twb>That entry should also link to #vmware on Freenode
00:46<twb>Oh, via <vmware support>
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00:49<ml|>allu2: btw, there is no version number for squeeze, but once it is stable it should be 6.0
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01:23<kaziem>is there an alternative for tsmmc (windows) for linux? Basically tsmmc is a program to manage multiple remote desktops, one screen in each tab... check this to get a picture of what I mean http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Image:Windows_server_2008_remote_desktops_sessions.jpg
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01:34<philipwn>how to see how much HZ is my kernel running at?
01:35<twb>philipwn: probably looking at the governor in /sys/
01:35<twb>philipwn: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/
01:36<cahoot> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
01:36<jm_>philipwn: do you mean kernel config option? are you using a debian kernel?
01:37<ml|>if it's config option debian uses 250 iirc
01:38<philipwn>cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq's output is 2000000. What that means? 200?
01:40<twb>philipwn: I imagine that's in Hertz.
01:40<sney`>200 kh
01:41<sney`>kHz?
01:42<jm_>2M
01:42<sney`>oh yeah
01:42<sney`>disregard
01:42<philipwn>I guess I need 1000hz for 1ms latency so I wanted to check out how much is it running right now
01:43<twb>philipwn: latency of what?
01:43<ml|>grep CONFIG_HZ_ /boot/config-*
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01:43<twb>The CPU's cycle frequency is a pretty useless metric for anything
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01:44<philipwn>ml|, it's 250, thank you
01:45<philipwn>have a nice day or night
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02:00<diggy>good morning guys
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02:08<aacha>oooo
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02:20<kamal>how can I activate bluetooth on debian gnome for sending files?
02:21<kamal>I have gnome-bluetooth installed.
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02:24<Internat>!sid
02:24<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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03:21<hackel>I'm trying to debootstrap sid into a user directory using fakechroot...anyone managed to accomplish this? My biggest issue is that when I run "ldconfig" it seems to run *outside* the chroot for some reason...
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03:23<EmleyMoor>My TV card loses frame sync ofter a few minutes, whether in xawtv or tvtime. How do I fix that?
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03:24<EmleyMoor>after a few minutes, that shoulrd be
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03:27<EmleyMoor>It does not do it if the system uptime is low.
03:27<EmleyMoor>(up to about 16 days seems OK)
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03:31<ansgar>hackel: I have never use fakechroot, but if it uses LD_PRELOAD it will probably not work with statically linked libraries.
03:31<ansgar>hackel: ldconfig has a -r option to specify an alternative root though.
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03:32<hackel>ansgar: Yes, if I do that it will run, but is there a way to tell dpkg to also use the -r option when it runs ldconfig?
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03:34<kamal>I want to know about implementation of selinux in debian. there is a blank selinux folder in /
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03:39<jm_>!selinux
03:39<dpkg>Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net.
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03:48<ansgar>hackel: One idea would be to use dpkg-divert and replace /sbin/ldconfig with a script adding the -r parameter.
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03:49<kubyz>buenos días :))
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03:50<twb>!tell kubyz -about es
03:50<kubyz>good morning everybody from Spain! :))
03:50<jmm>hi.
03:50<cesurasean>howdy
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03:53<jmm>eww monday mornings are not fun.
03:54<jmm>who's that stupid guy who said we have to wake up to go to works ?
03:54<kubyz>xD
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03:56<ml|>your boss? ;)
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03:56<jmm>I'm pretty sure the original idea come from somewhere else.
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03:57<kamal>does setting up selinux restrict software choice?
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05:02<twb>jmm: I do not wake up to go to work
05:02<twb>I leave the coffee and cereal AT work, so that I will have an incentive to go
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05:03<twb>kamal: it depends if you set up selinux to work, or to just sit there in permissive mode, allowing everything
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05:03<twb>kamal: ISTR that executables built by GHC don't yet play nice with selinux.
05:03<twb>(As an example.)
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05:57<philipwn>I have intel dual core e1280 cpu and I'm wondering which architecture exactly is the one that will do the job if I want my release to be 64-bit? Because there is AMD64 and Intel IA-64 and I'm not so sure what is IA-64.
05:57<jm_>!ia64
05:57<dpkg>[ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>.
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05:57<philipwn>thank you, so amd64 it is
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06:08<vinicius>how can i request to get a specific ip address to my dhcp server?
06:09<vinicius>oops... FROM my dhcp server
06:09<fred1>configure the dhcp server to assign you that address
06:09<fred1>most support being able to do so based on your ethernet address
06:09<fred1>or, if you want a particular machine to have a fixed address, just set it to that specifically, and ignore dhcp
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06:10<fred1>most dhcp servers will do an arp check before assigning an address, so you should be reasonably safe from that address being assigned to something else
06:11<fred1>most safest would be to use an address outside of the range that the dhcp server is configured to manage
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06:13<vinicius>fred1, i can't do that... my router don't support ip assignment by mac address or anything
06:13<vinicius>fred1, i need the machine to be internet connected
06:13<vinicius> i can't do that... my router don't support ip assignment by mac address or anything
06:13<vinicius>fred1, i need the machine to be internet connected
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06:15<vinicius>fred1, humn... ok
06:15<fred1>seems unusual
06:15<fred1>most routers do.. but, like I said, you could instead just use a fixed assignment
06:15<vinicius>do you mean doing things like ifconfig eth0 address x.x.x.x ?
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06:15<fred1>is this a normal 'home' router doing NAT?
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06:16<jorge>hi
06:16<vinicius>fred1, yes
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06:16<fred1>ok, so its using something like 192.168.1.x
06:16<fred1>it should have some sort of configuration, where you tell it what range of addresses to manage with dhcp
06:16<fred1>perhaps 2-32, or 33-64, something
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06:17<fred1> check that, and assign this box a fixed IP, within the range of the LAN, but outside the dhcp range
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06:17<fred1>if the 'mask' is 255.255.255.0, then the range of the lan is 1-254, exluding whatever address the router itself is using
06:17<fred1>usually .1
06:17<vinicius>fred1, will that work even if its out of the range?
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06:18<Nabilou>Hi all, I installed a local debian mirror... But it doesn't want to install dependencies with apt-get. Btw it works fine with aptitude
06:18<Nabilou>Do you have any ideas please?
06:18<fred1>so use aptitude
06:18<fred1>it can do everything apt-get can, and often better
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06:19<fred1>fyi it can work from the cli with the same arguments apt-get does, there is no need to launch its interactive mode
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06:19<themill>Nabilou: you'd need to pastebin the commands you gave and the entire output if you want help with that.
06:19<fred1>themill, morning
06:20<themill>hi
06:20<fred1>!coffee themill
06:20*dpkg decants a fine brew of organic Peruvian for themill, courtesy of fred1
06:20<fred1>ah that does work
06:20<vinicius>fred1, well... if i try arbitrarily to set an ip internet wont work
06:20<vinicius>fred1, even if noone has this ip
06:20<fred1>vinicius, it cant be *arbitrary*. it needs to be in the range that the router expects to be on the lan
06:20<fred1>you also need to set the default route
06:20<fred1>netmask, dns, etc
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06:21<vinicius>fred1, ok
06:21<fred1>vinicius, lets try this with specifics
06:21<fred1>what ip address is the router at?
06:21<fred1>and what netmask is this lan using?
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06:21<msin>hello
06:21<jmm>hi.
06:22<msin>could you tell me which is the best irc client for debian
06:22<msin>with scripting capabilities?
06:22<petemc>irssi
06:22<klando>there is no *best*
06:22<fred1>"best" is highly subjective
06:22<klando>but irssi is good :)
06:22<fred1>what is the "best" brand of car? or softdrink?
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06:23<jmm>the best is the on I use.
06:23<fred1>heh
06:23<jmm>stay in windows msin .
06:23<jmm>:)
06:23<vinicius>fred1, well.. i used /etc/network/interfaces to set everything
06:23<msin>i would like to have good scripting capabilities
06:23<klando>msin, you might want to try quassel, perhaps
06:23<fred1>vinicius, what ip is the router at. what netmask is the lan using
06:23<fred1>msin, so try some out
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06:24<klando>msin, I think that pretty all irc client have sript capa
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06:24<fred1>msin, peruse your choice of 'list of debian packages', pick one that looks promising, install it, and see if it works for you. if its perfect, then great, if not, then try an....
06:25<vinicius>fred1, the router is configured to assign 192.168.1.2 to .50..
06:25<fred1>vinicius, what is the ip address of the router itself
06:25<fred1>.1 ?
06:25<vinicius>fred1, the pc i want to have fixed ip is set up to .200 on /etc/network/interfaces
06:25<fred1>vinicius, what is the ip address of the router itself
06:25<vinicius>the router is .1
06:25<fred1>ok
06:25<fred1>and what netmask is it using
06:25<vinicius>255.255.255.0
06:26<philipwn>let's say i have a /dev/sda4 partition, that makes it hd(0,3 or 4)?
06:26<fred1>ok.. then the first step, would be to assign .200 with the same netmask, to your PC.
06:26<fred1>then restart networking, and see if it can ping 192.168.1.1
06:26<fred1>if so, then that part worked
06:26<vinicius>ok... wait some
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06:26<vinicius>fred1, the other pc is in another room =D
06:26<fred1>ok, if that works, come back, there is more
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06:27<fred1>hurry, i have to leave in 10 minutes
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06:28<vinicius>fred1, well.. it is on .200 and can ping .1
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06:28<vinicius>fred1, but has no internet
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06:28<fred1>ok, like I said there is more
06:29<fred1>you need to do two more things:
06:29<fred1>1. set a default route to the router (192.168.1.1)
06:29<fred1>2. set dns (most often the router itself does dns too)
06:29<vinicius>fred1, humn.. ok... i thing only the default route is missing
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06:29<fred1>in ./interfaces
06:29<vinicius>fred1, dns is ok on resolv.conf
06:29<fred1>add
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06:30<fred1>for the eth interface that you put .200 on
06:30<fred1>add: gateway 192.168.1.1
06:30<vinicius>fred1, ok...
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06:30<vinicius>fred1, just that?
06:30<Nabilou>themill, Here is the message : http://pastebin.com/d693717b9
06:31<xororand>is there a way to list all installed packages including the repository they are from? (e.g. debian-multimedia stable, debian sid, lamaresh sid, ...)
06:31<vinicius>fred1, ill see if that works
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06:31<perk>xororand, apt-cache policy
06:31<xororand>thank you perk
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06:32<themill>!which repo
06:32<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory
06:32<themill>xororand: ^^
06:32<vinicius>fred1, that worked... awesome... thanks!
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06:32<themill>Nabilou: the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy openoffice.org" would be handy too.
06:32<fred1>vinicius, have fun
06:32<vinicius>fred1, =D
06:33<vinicius>fred1, have to work... no fun at all
06:33<xororand>themill: great script. added it on all my debian boxes
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06:35<vinicius>is there any way of making the computers of this network to get the hostnames from one computer?
06:36<Nabilou>themill, http://pastebin.com/d1e41ca9e for apt-cache policy
06:36<vinicius>i mean... line an index of hostnames
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06:37<Nabilou>themill, http://pastebin.com/d705272cc for apt-cache policy openoffice.org
06:37<petemc>vinicius: thats called dns
06:37<vinicius>petemc, o lmpw
06:38<vinicius>petemc, i want only local hostnames
06:38<vinicius>petemc, a router can do that?
06:39<petemc>sure
06:39<themill>Nabilou: the output of "apt-cache policy openoffice.org-calc" would be good too
06:41<vinicius>petemc, well... ill try to learn more about that
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06:41<fred1>vinicius, in most cases, your router does dns resolution
06:42<fred1>oh.. local
06:42<vinicius>fred1, but can i add local machines there?
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06:42<fred1>depends on the router
06:42<vinicius>fred1, humn... i think you get it now
06:42<vinicius>fred1, i dont think my router can do that
06:42<fred1>you cvould run a local dns.
06:42<vinicius>fred1, humn... nice..
06:42<fred1>of coursr you'dpresumable want it to be able to look up outside as well
06:43<fred1>might be simpler just to use old-style /etc/hosts replication ;)
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06:43<vinicius>fred1, i have windows machines too
06:43<fred1>also, depends on how often they will be changing, and wether you want to 'dynamic' assigned ones to have names too
06:43<vinicius>fred1, i dont want to instruct every user to change their hosts tab
06:43<fred1>what router do you have
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06:44<vinicius>fred1, its a dlink2610
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06:45<fred1>hrm.. ok.. i dunno
06:45<fred1>you could setup a WINS server
06:45<fred1>for the windows machines, anyway
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06:46<fred1>your windows machines are probably using either your router, or your isp's DNS anyway, and you'd have to change that
06:46<vinicius>fred1, humn... ok
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06:46<fred1>anyway, i gotta run
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06:48<Nabilou>themill, here it is http://pastebin.com/d3251e897
06:50<themill>Nabilou: that's really weird. I can't explain why apt-get was unhappy, unless you ran "aptitude update" in between (or you have aptitude configured to automatically update)
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06:59<Slydder1>hey all
07:00<Slydder1>have a bit of a problem with dh_shlibdeps while rebuilding a package. I issue the following in the rules file and still get a packaging error that the lib can't be found. dh_shlibdeps -Llibmysqlclient16 -ldebian/libmysqlclient16/opt/planetic/mysql51/lib but libmysqlclient.so.16 is there and found by the other packages. any ideas?
07:00<OdyX>Slydder1: why are you linking with things in /opt ?
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07:02<Slydder1>because it's a build just for our servers which is completely installed in /opt. along with a special build of PHP5 as well.
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07:06<zeev>could somebody, please, help me to configure my wifi (intel)...
07:07<themill>zeev: precisely what card is it? "lspci -nn | grep -i net" will tell us
07:07<zeev>I have "device not ready" in my network manager (squeeze)
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07:08<zeev>Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection [8086:4229] (rev 61)
07:08<themill>!iwlwifi
07:08<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
07:08<themill>zeev: at a wild guess, you don't have the "firmware-iwlwifi" package installed.
07:09<zeev>i'll check...
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07:13<zeev>themill: how do I add non-free to the synaptic package manager?
07:15<themill>zeev: I've not touched synaptic for over 5 years.... I'd edit /etc/apt/sources.list to do so, adding "contrib non-free" to the end of the mirror and security lines that currently end in "main". You can put your sources.list in a pastebin if you want someone to check them for you. /msg dpkg pastebin
07:15<themill>!non-free sources
07:15<dpkg>rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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07:20<zeev>themill: you were right, it wasn't installed
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07:21<themill>zeev: installing that package and then "modprobe -r iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965" should be all that's needed then.
07:22<zeev>do I have to do it only once or allways after restart?
07:23<themill>just once should be enough.
07:23<zeev>right now I see my access point, thank you
07:23<zeev>just another question...
07:24<zeev>rigth now I'm connected through my N900 using gsm connection
07:24<zeev>and the network manager doesn't determine speed of the connection, why?
07:24<gsimmons>themill: The iwl4965 module doesn't exist anymore, it's now handled by iwlagn (since 2.6.30, probably earlier).
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07:25<zeev>I think I have problems with the speed jumping between 300B and 300KB
07:25<themill>gsimmons: oh? There we go then. That will be useful to know when I upgrade mrs themill's laptop to squeeze :)
07:25<zeev>and I don't know what is the reason for this...
07:26<zeev>is it provider's technical problem?
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08:14<solar_sea>Hello. I've installed lenny-amd64 on a machine with a 6200 nvidia graphics card. I'm able to download/compile/use the prebuild module, however any of those options results in "The NVIDIA GPU at PCI:1:0:0 is not supported by the 173.14.09 NVIDIA Driver" What version should I install ? As a side note, X doesn't work either with the "nv" driver, apparently due to the lack of explicitly defines screens in xorg.conf. It works with Driver "vesa" though. Thanks for
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08:23<jm_>solar_sea: interesting, README.txt.gz for 173.14 says 6200 is supported
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08:31<friedl>hi
08:32<solar_sea>My bad, It has a sticker saying GF-GT220
08:32<solar_sea>I guess 6200 was my old card, it defected and got replaced
08:33<solar_sea>Does the nvidia driver in testing support gt220 ?
08:34<jm_>you need a newer driver, from sid
08:35<jm_>testing has the same version as stable
08:35<solar_sea>Is there a backported version ?
08:35<jm_>it's rather trivial to do so yourself
08:36<solar_sea>I'll be using this machine for coding @ work, I'm somewhat afraid of sid :D
08:36<solar_sea>by pinning ?
08:36<jm_>you just need nvidia packages from sid - i recommend downloading by hand with the help of packages.debian.org
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08:41<ktdr>you can install nvidia-kernel-source 190.53-1 from sid and install on stable with module-assistant
08:43<solar_sea>I suppose I need the nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-module and nvidia-settings ?
08:44<solar_sea>I've got build-essential & m-a, I'll try to follow the wiki article for compiling it
08:45<ktdr>you need first of all nvidia-kernel-source, and after compiling it you have to install corresponding nvidia-glx... if you need you can install alsa nvidia-settings
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08:45<ktdr>i can explain how to install nvidia from sid on stable
08:45<jm_>good, so I won't have to do it ;)
08:46<ktdr>:)
08:46<ktdr>i'm using testing, but my nvidia driver and my kernel are from unstable)
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08:48<ktdr>here -- http://tldp.org/LDP/LG/issue86/tougher.html -- is a very good howto
08:48<ktdr>it explains how to install deb-packages from any debian distro using apt
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08:59<mixter_>hi! i've just expanded the raid-system on a server with a new disk. could i get the kernel to detect the new, larger, size of the disk without rebooting?
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09:01<jm_>mixter_: doesn't it do that automatically? you mean you want to resize fs?
09:02<mixter_>jm_: no, if i run fdisk or parted, the "disk" itself is still missing the extra space i've added
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09:02<jm_>mixter_: what kind of disk is it?
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09:05<mixter_>jm_: it's a ibm serveraid controller (adaptec based raid controller i think) and i've just added another disk and resized the array
09:06<mixter_>jm_: the array was resized using a cli tool from ibm/adaptec so the server hasn't booted yet with the new size
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09:07<mixter_>jm_: previously i've just rebooted to get the kernel to see the new space, but it would be better if one could get the kernel to detect the new size without a reboot (more sleep for me instead of getting up at night and rebooting the server ;-) )
09:07<jm_>mixter_: try using /sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh
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09:10<mixter_>jm_: nope :-/ didn't work...
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09:11<jm_>mixter_: hmm maybe one needs to use a tool specific for this controller, sorry out of my league
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09:12<mixter_>jm_: i got a new command to use with google :-) thanks! i'll search some more
09:12<jm_>mixter_: that's just echoing to some files in sys or proc, I forgot which
09:13<jm_>there's also scsiadd, but I assume it will be the same
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09:14<solar_sea>after installing those from sid + some dependencies it works fine, thanks :)
09:14<mixter_>jm_: ok... thanks!
09:15<ambuli>Hi all, for the testing purpose i am trying to create two different set of binaries from dput source code for different methods. Could someone help me out ?
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09:21<adm>hello
09:21<adm>can anybody help me ?
09:22<edhunter>adm: it depends on the problem
09:22<adm>hablais español ?
09:22<OdyX>!es
09:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:22<adm>I configured a dancer-ircd server
09:22<adm>to connect users in a localhost
09:23<adm>and when the server go to authentificate me
09:23<adm>i can't identificate
09:23<adm>with root
09:23<adm>you know edhunter
09:23<adm>?
09:24<locklace>!slap adm
09:24*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across adm's face
09:24<locklace>!space bar
09:24<dpkg>The space bar is the correct way to separate connected sentences on IRC. Please use it. The Return/Enter key is not a substitute.
09:24<edhunter>adm: sorry. i dont even know what a dancer-ircd server is
09:24<locklace>adm: and for the love of god: "authenticate" and "identify"
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09:24<adm>lock
09:25<adm>how ?
09:25<adm>in a command line of mirc ?
09:25<locklace>what version of debian are you using
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09:26<adm>5
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09:27<Ajurna>s'up
09:28<edhunter>hi Ajurna
09:29<edhunter>TUD i see ;)
09:29<Ajurna>are you in my network ? ^^
09:30<Ajurna>no you aren't ... greetings still
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09:30<edhunter>Ajurna: too lazy to go to uni :p
09:31<Ajurna>question concerning dm_crypt: is the password kept in ram after the disk is decrypted ? I've seen a presentation about "cold booting", they claimed to have found the keys in RAM after shut-down, but they also said it would be fixed. Anyone with insight into this ?
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09:32<edhunter>Ajurna: first time i hear of this but would be interested to learn more..
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09:35<Ajurna>there's a video from a talk at 25C3 convention http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/congress/25C3/video_h264_720x576/25c3-2922-en-advanced_memory_forensics:_the_cold_boot_attacks.mp4
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10:05<hakanbey>how can i check drivers that i should install on my debian?
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10:06<dr|z3d>hakanbey: First identify what drivers you think are missing.
10:06<petemc>hakanbey: you may not need to install anything, but if you do, a good clue is non functioning hardware
10:07<dr|z3d>Test your hardware, in other words.. webcams, scanners, printers, soundcard, network, wifi etc.
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10:10<hakanbey>i understand but for example i installed display driver how can i check it? was it installed?
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10:12<Ajurna>do you have functionality ?
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10:15<hakanbey>what is functionality :(
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10:16<petemc>you can check the xorg log to see which driver it used
10:17<hakanbey>how i do it? sorry, i am new.
10:17<ambuli>hi all, i am creating two binary package b1 and b2 from source package s1, and how can i make sure at any given point of time either of b1 or b2 can be installed ?
10:18<petemc>kaziem: grep -i driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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10:18<petemc>there may be more direct ways to check..
10:18<OdyX>ambuli: what are you trying to do ?
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10:19<OdyX>ambuli: avoiding the install of b1 AND b2 ?
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10:19<ambuli>No, if b1 is installed already then it should not allow to install b2.
10:19<ambuli>and vice versa.
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10:20<OdyX>and how is it different to avoid the installation of both together as I told '
10:21<OdyX>ambuli: you could use the Conflicts: field
10:22<ambuli>I mentioned that, also i have mentioned in Replaces: field also. ie. in b1 -> conflcts: b2 replaces: b2, in b2 -> conflicts:b1 replaces:b1
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10:22<ambuli>but if i install b2 after b1 it simply installs.
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10:39<Teow>I'm trying to compile the 2.6.27 kernel but it gives a lot of errors in scripts/basic/fixdep.c
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10:40<koollman>you must be doing something wrong
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10:41<ambuli>why dpkg -r pkgname is not removing certain configuraiton files also ??
10:41<ambuli>why do i have to run dpkg --purge pkgname to remove that ?
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10:42<rjent>Greetings, if a user wants to rsync on login against a master data server documents and home dir contents is there a package in the repositories specifically for this OR is rsync and a custom logon currently what a person would have to use?
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10:43<Teow>hmm
10:43<themill>ambuli: that's quite deliberate. "man dpkg" is quite explicity about the difference between "deinstall" and "purge".
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10:44<Teow>is there a way to automatically download all dependencies?
10:44<Teow>the server i'm installing it on has no internet
10:44<Teow>so i keep walking back and forward with an USB stick..
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10:45<Teow>i got gcc.dep, then i need to walk back for some lib, then the lib has dependencies too, it's like an infinite loop
10:45<Teow>isn't there a tool that add everything to one .tar.gz?
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10:45<themill>!apt-zip
10:45<dpkg>Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip
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11:01<Nabilou>Hi, I've a problem starting tftpd-hpa on boot
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11:03<Nabilou>RUN_DAEMON is set to "yes" in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
11:03<Nabilou>but doesn't want to start$
11:03<petemc>are there symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ ?
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11:20<rjent>I have a user account on a system with shell set to /bin/false, can I allow them to run sudo commands?
11:21<rjent>s/commands/commands only/
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11:23<BlackFate>rjent, if its set to false... then how will they be able to execute anycommands in the first place?
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11:24<rjent>BlackFate: Yes I understand, but the application is a running daemon with a web interface. I want to add a cli to config some files then build a web interface to the cli, but I want to take all security precautions I can so that is why I am asking.
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11:25<rjent>I figure I am going to have to set a shell and I do not want to do that
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11:26<rjent>So I suppose I should write the web interface and in the daemon code add the edit features I want. Unless someone has a magic idea I can use.
11:26<BlackFate>rjent, you can disable the ttys
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11:27<BlackFate>rjent, you can just reject every login from ttys just by editing /etc/security/access.conf
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11:27<rjent>BlackFate: looking mom
11:28<rjent>Interesting
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11:31<Alpha_x>Hello, i was wondering wheter anyone could give me some information on what kind of app or program you need to: Login in on a windows klient and authenticate it with username and password, get acess to the files you have permission to acess and print.
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11:32<Alpha_x>does openLDAP do the thing?
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11:35<musca>smbclient - a comandline-SMB/CIFS-Clients for Unix
11:35<Alpha_x>so all i need is samba then?
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11:36<musca>Alpha_x: don't mix up server and client
11:37<Alpha_x>i have only played with clients so far, im trying to figure out how to get a linuxserver with windwosclients working
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11:38<Alpha_x>samba is used to acess files on the linux server? But how do I get the login that i log on to windows with to me being able to print thru the printserver and acess my files.
11:40<musca>samba is capable of building windows-domains
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11:40<Alpha_x>okay, thanks
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11:45<kop>Alpha_x: Or use the winbindd package. I found the samba wiki very helpful in getting that going (don't forget to restart your daemons.)
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11:48<Alpha_x>its says its to resolve user and group information from NT servers. I planned on going the other way.. Can i do that to?
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11:49<petemc>yes
11:50<Alpha_x>ok, tanks.
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12:00<xente>hi..is there a package that contains the java api documentation?
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12:07<themill>xente: classpath-doc, perhaps?
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12:07<xente>themill: indeed. I will try it
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12:09<vvas>openjdk-6-doc might be a better choice; depending on which implementation you're actually using, obviously
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12:10<themill>yeah, was just looking at that
12:10<xente>me too...
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12:12<ambuli>how can i remove the package even though some dependent package is available ?
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12:15<ambuli>could someone help me ?
12:15<themill>!wayttd ambuli
12:15<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, ambuli?
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12:16<ambuli>i am trying to remove a package and on which other 2 packages are depend on.
12:17<ambuli>but somehow i would like to remove irrespective of dependencies !!!
12:17<vvas>why?
12:17<themill>how do you think that will work?
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12:18<ambuli>would like to install new package which have a conflict with the package which i am supposed to replace.
12:19<themill>ahh... so "aptitude install packageyouwant packagetoremove_"
12:19<ambuli>(p1,p2) -> depends on (p3) and would like to replace (p3) with (p4) and (p3) and (p4) have conflicts each other.
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12:20<ambuli>themill, 'packageyouwant' i have it as .deb file.
12:20<themill>but that won't work unless p1's dep was "p3|p4" (or done through virtual packages)
12:20<vvas>or provides
12:20<kop>themill: Wouldn't "aptitude install packageyouwant packagetoremove-" be safer?
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12:20<themill>kop: depends if you like conffiles being left behind or not
12:21<kop>ambuli: Unless you're feeling like you know what you're doing you should be using packages from the debian repositories, not .deb files.
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12:22<ambuli>kop, true, but it is a new package with same functionality of the existing one. Still not in the repo.
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13:39<adisonline>suppose that i have this file http://pastebin.ca/1765458 . what is the sed command to replace globaly the caracter <a> to <q> and the caracter <e> to <o> AND THEN print the new modified file to a file eg test.txt
13:39<adisonline>is soething like sed -i 's/{a}/q/g;s/{e}/o/g;' /pathtoinputfile > test.txt ?????
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13:47<fred1>if you want to globally replace individual characters, 'tr' might be simpler
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13:47<fred1>echo "ABC" | tr "A" "Z"
13:47<fred1>ZBC
13:48<fred1>but sed can work: echo "ABC" | sed 's/A/Z/g'
13:48<fred1>ZBC
13:48<fred1> echo "ABC" | sed 's/A/Z/g' | sed 's/B/Q/g'
13:48<fred1>ZQC
13:49<fred1>as far as files, simpler to say:
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13:49<fred1>cat file | sed 'sed commands here' > output
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13:53<adisonline>fred1: let me explain what i want to make
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13:53<adisonline>i have a greek spelling language and want to make it a greeklish spelling language
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13:54<adisonline>greeklish= greek words written with latin caracters
13:54<fred1>you want to change individual characters in a file, i thought
13:54<fred1>as long as it one char for one char, 'tr' might be more appropriate
13:54<adisonline>i m thinking something like that with sed http://pastebin.ca/1765487
13:55<chealer>does xul-ext-firebug 1.5.0-1 work for others?
13:55<fred1>ive got to admit im not familar with the use of {}
13:55<fred1>ive never used that, not sure what purpose it serves
13:55<adisonline>append a characher
13:56<adisonline>airolib-ng
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13:57<adisonline>fred1: there is no greek dictionaries for airolib-ng so decie to make one
13:57<adisonline>:)
13:57<fred1>you are using it where you are matching characters, not where you are changing them
13:57<fred1>normal syntax to change one character is
13:57<fred1>sed 's/X/Y/g'
13:57<fred1>change X into Y
13:57<fred1>not sure why you'd need to add {}
13:58<adisonline>but if x is in a word??
13:58<adisonline>is it recognised??
13:58<fred1>why wouldnt it be?
13:58<adisonline>dont know
13:58<adisonline>just assume
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13:59<fred1>id suggest testing.. in fact, you might want to make a file with just a few words.. and then try transforming just some of the characters, and check the result
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13:59<adisonline>it takes too much time
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13:59<adisonline>in that way
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14:00<fred1>what does? testing?
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14:00<fred1>just do it once, do test it.. see if/how it works as you expect
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14:00<adisonline>fred how can accomplish that with tr???
14:00<fred1>if it does, then use the whole file with the whole transformations
14:00<fred1>man tr
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14:01<adisonline>thanks
14:01<fred1>echo AAABBBCCC | tr "AC" "GD"
14:01<fred1>GGGBBBDDD
14:01<adisonline>go to try it
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14:13<ultras>здравствуйте
14:15<fred1>!en
14:15<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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14:15<fred1>!ru
14:15<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
14:15<Jawka>eh
14:15<fred1>eh what?
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14:25<\3TATUK>How can I lookup which package provides /usr/bin/totem ?
14:26<\3TATUK>Will change descriptions for the currently available updates ever likely be provided? (libc6/libc6-dev/libc6-i686/locales)
14:26<themill>\3TATUK: dlocate $(readlink -f /usr/bin/totem) ; (use dpkg -S if you don't have readlink)
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14:27<\3TATUK>thanks
14:27<fred1>hrm
14:28<\3TATUK>how comes packages.debian.org doesn't return results though?
14:28<themill>descriptions other than what's in the package changelog?
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14:28<\3TATUK>I mean the description available in the update-manager GUI...
14:28<themill>\3TATUK: totem is managed by the alternatives system (hence the readlink in there)
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14:28<gdb>\3TATUK: You can also use http://packages.debian.org/ to look up information like that.
14:28<themill>gdb: no you can't in this case.
14:28<gdb>Oh, well, if it's managed by alternatives, then that won't work.
14:28<gdb>heh yes
14:28<\3TATUK>It just says 'The list of changes is not available yet. Please try again later.' for those four packages.
14:29<fred1>ok, so I recently picked up a new dvd writer, and neither wodim nor k3b want to play nice with it.. wodim says 'unable to load media' (even though ive already loaded it). and k3b, seems to cycle finding and then losing the fact that theres a disk in
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14:29<themill>\3TATUK: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.3.6.ds1-13etch10/changelog ?
14:29<fred1>ive tried with both 8x and 16x media.. lets see if a cdr makes it happy
14:30<\3TATUK>themill: i said libc6 not glibc?
14:30<fred1>ok, it seems happy with a cdr
14:30<themill>\3TATUK: libc6 is a binary package provided by the glibc source package.
14:31<\3TATUK>`update-manager` is saying it wants to upgrade from 2.7-18 to 2.718lenny2
14:31<\3TATUK>Maybe you need a screenshot?
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14:32<\3TATUK>Also for the future I'll make sure to follow through all symlinks before searching for a provider of a binary on packages.debian.org
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14:32<themill>\3TATUK: ahh... security updates take a while to appear on changelogs. http://pastebin.ca/1765561
14:32<themill>You can always download the .deb and look inside a the changelog yourself (e.g. with mc). Or install apt-listchanges.
14:33<\3TATUK>Yeah, the latest updates came in a wake of 12 together I guess and all 12 started out without logs, then 8 of them got them in a few days and now I'm waiting on these last four, heh.
14:33<\3TATUK>Right, right.. but I just like to see the changelog in the standard GUI before I apply an update. Heh.
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14:35<themill>so use aptitude with apt-listchanges?
14:36<\3TATUK>aptitude isn't really GUI? heh
14:36<\3TATUK>The `update-notifier` and `update-manager` combination is nice. ;x
14:37<themill>xterm -e aptitude safe-upgrade?
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14:37<\3TATUK>Well let's just say update-manager is much more graphically interactive than aptitude, which I believe is ncurses-based.
14:38<themill>I suspect that doesn't really make much difference for a safe-upgrade
14:39<\3TATUK>Why would apt-listchanges be more responsive than update-manager as far as the changelog?
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14:40<themill>apt-listchanges grabs the changelog from the downloaded .deb. nfc what update-manager does, but it probably uses p.d.o
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14:40<\3TATUK>p.d.o?
14:40<\3TATUK>It seems to try grabbing info real-time through the Internet.
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14:41<\3TATUK>says 'Downloading list of changes...' then comes back that it's not available.
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14:41<leoXX>ciao
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14:47<\3TATUK>Will squeeze give the option of selecting either kFreeBSD or Linux from GRUB?
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14:49<mase>\3TATUK wha should that depend on squeeze? do you mean because of grub2 instead of grub1?
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14:50<fred1>squeeze isnt released yet, is it?
14:50<chealer>\3TATUK: not unless kFreeBSD is installed...
14:50<chealer>!tell fred1 about squeeze
14:50<fred1>heh.. yeah, that'd a new feature.. it offers to boot OS's that you havent installed ;)
14:50<\3TATUK>mase: Because squeeze is the first to ship with kFreeBSD. I'm talking about regardless of which version GRUB is.
14:51<\3TATUK>Seems like a good way to start out adding an entirely different kernel to Debian, though. Just in case some things that regularly worked in Linux don't work in kFreeBSD.. having the ability to easily switch between the two would be nice.
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14:52<mase>\3TATUK just asked because grub2 is a complete redesign of grub1; complete new configuration etc ...
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14:52<fred1>squeeze is going to include a freebsd kernel?!
14:53<\3TATUK>It probably already does. Heh.
14:53<mase>?
14:53<\3TATUK>http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20091007
14:53<mase>oh, but kfreebsd's-squeeze...
14:54<fred1>Hrm.. somehow I dont think it will be a single installation that you can boot either kernel.. i suspect which system you want to use will be something you choose at install
14:54<fred1>possibly by selecting which .iso to download
14:54<\3TATUK>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kfreebsd-image-7-686
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14:55<mase>so you are going to install kfreebsd and linux?
14:55<\3TATUK>And if you just upgrade an existing lenny system to squeeze, when it's stabilized?
14:55<\3TATUK>Linux is *already* installed. I hope a dist-upgrade will automatically grab kFreeBSD so I can try it out. I'm not really planning on manually installing it.
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14:55<mase>\3TATUK but linux and kfreebsd are different systems...
14:56<\3TATUK>And?
14:56<\3TATUK>Debian runs on both.
14:57<mase>yes, but i understand you want to upgrade a linux-lenny to kfreebsd-squeeze... i'm wron, right?
14:57<\3TATUK>Not exactly.
14:57<\3TATUK>Eventually I will upgrade my lenny SYSTEM to a squeeze SYSTEM.
14:57<\3TATUK>Currently, lenny only supports Linux.
14:57<fred1>i dont think you can have both kernels install in the same system, and be able to choose either.. either you have a linux system, or a kfreebsd system
14:57<\3TATUK>squeeze, though, supports both Linux AND kFreeBSD.
14:58<fred1>i think more accurate would be 'supports _either_ linux or kfreebsd'
14:58<mase>\3TATUK you need them in a parrallel way; can't use a debian-linux system with a kfreebsd kernel
14:58<\3TATUK>fred1: It supports *both*.
14:58<fred1>sure, and you choose which you want when you install
14:58<mase>\3TATUK but they are still different
14:58<\3TATUK>I've run GNU/Linux systems with multiple versions of the kernel and GRUB had no problem letting me choose between thome.
14:58<fred1>multiple versions of the *linux* kernel
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14:59<mase>\3TATUK debian is a kind of 'organization', providing both systems
14:59<\3TATUK>Look, are either of you running or helping develop squeeze?
14:59<themill>\3TATUK: Debian supports powerpc and amd64 but that doesn't mean you can upgrade your lenny amd64 system to support a powerpc kernel
14:59<mase>\3TATUK so the kfreebsd system is a different one than the linux system
14:59<\3TATUK>If not, then you likely can't truly answer my question of whether GRUB will support booting either.
15:00<themill>\3TATUK: you might want to go off and find out what kfreebsd really is.
15:00<mase>\3TATUK it probably will, but you need both systems, quite seperetated on partitions
15:00<\3TATUK>themill: powerpc and amd64 are CPU architectures ... kFreeBSD is an entire kernel, heh.
15:00<themill>!kfreebsd
15:00<dpkg>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
15:00<themill>\3TATUK: and that kernel has a different userspace
15:00<mase>\3TATUK and the kfreebsd kernel will not work on a linux system
15:01<themill>or more precisely, a linux userland won't work on a kfreebsd kernel
15:01<mase>\3TATUK it still needs a kfreebsd system(installation)
15:01<mase>hey, many people, same opinion...
15:02<\3TATUK>themill: What's this about a ''linux userland''? Debian provides a *GNU* userland, which theoretically should run atop either Linux OR kFreeBSD. Maybe I'll take this to #debian-kbsd
15:02<fred1>basically, you'd have to recompile all the system libraries and binaries.. somehow I dont see grub offering that ability
15:02<fred1>the system binaries/libraries are compiled to work with a specific kernel
15:03<mase>\3TATUK just parrallel installations of the whole OS
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15:03<mase>\3TATUK parrallel installations of LINUX and KFREEBSD, not "just" the kernel
15:03<themill>\3TATUK: have a look at a random package written in C like perl on p.d.o: http://packages.debian.org/sid/perl notice that there are separate kfreebsd-i386 etc packages just like there are different ones for each architecture?
15:05<\3TATUK>fred1: GNU binaries are compiled for specific architecture targets. Who's to say you can't run a specific GNU binary on *either* Linux or kFreeBSD, assuming the same CPU architecture?
15:05<mase>\3TATUK don't be confused; linux is an OS, freebsd is an OS
15:05<\3TATUK>LINUX and KFREEBSD are "just" kernels.
15:05<themill>\3TATUK: that is, you have to select kfreebsd or linux at installation time (or more precisely, when you download the ISO). You can't have one on top of the other any more than you can run things compiled for macos under windows even though they're all x86 chips
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15:05<mase>\3TATUK GNU tools has to be compiled for either windows, linux, freebsd, hurd...
15:05<\3TATUK>Linux is not an OS. It's an OS kernel.
15:05*themill thinks this has run its course...
15:06<sney>grub could probably support booting both of them, but having them share a file structure would make both running systems mega confused
15:06<fred1>ok, then take a random linux binary, and copy it over to a freebsd machine. see if it runs.
15:06<sney>FreeBSD does have some ELF support, as I recall
15:06<fred1>yes, it has a linux-compat you can add.
15:06<fred1>but without that, it wont work
15:07<mase>i'm out
15:07<fred1>and even with it, its spotty
15:07<\3TATUK>themill: I'm pretty sure I could manually grab kfreebsd through apt if I wanted. I need to make a fresh install from an ISO. Heh.
15:07<themill>\3TATUK: you go right ahead and let me know how it goes
15:08<\3TATUK>Like I said, I'm not interested in manually installing kFreeBSD at this point. I'm just saying I *hope* it's automatically installed when squeeze is stabilized. Heh.
15:08<themill>\3TATUK: repeat after me "that's not the way it works"
15:08<fred1>\3TATUK, sure, if you download th3e squeeze-freebsd iso
15:09<fred1>if you download the squeeze-linux iso, then you'll get linux
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15:09<\3TATUK>I'm not talking about ISOs at this point. I'm talking about existing apt packaging. Why are you so hung over about ISOs?
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15:09<fred1>if you upgrade lenny to squeeze, you'll get linux
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15:10<\3TATUK>I already *have* Linux, so, no, I won't.
15:10<themill>\3TATUK: please shit up now and go and find out how the debian kfreebsd port works
15:10<fred1>as to whether you could upgrade in place from lenny to squeeze-kfreebsd, then ive no idea. perhaps themill does
15:10<mase>there are linux-squeeze AND kfreebsd-squeeze
15:10<sney>heh. shit up!
15:10<sney>I enjoy your typo, themill
15:10<themill>heh
15:10<themill>fred1: not a chance. You can't even do that from i386 to amd64 and they're at least compatible userspaces
15:10<\3TATUK>themill: No need to be a fucking asshole. I'm trying to find out about the port by asking. If you don't fucking know yourself maybe you need to shit the fuck up!
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15:11<sney>man, I think that guy was probably rolling from the get go
15:11<themill>\3TATUK: please take a break from #debian and go and read some of the links people have given you.
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15:12<ialefe17>oie
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15:12<ialefe17>tem alguem aqui?
15:12<fred1>anyone have any ideas on how I could figure out why neither wodim nor k3b seems to be able to recognize dvd blanks in a new burner i just got?
15:12<fred1>!es
15:12<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:12<themill>\3TATUK: please take a break from #debian and go and read some of the links people have given you. You are deeply mistaken about how it works and don't seem prepared to listen to the information you are being given.
15:13<ialefe17>alguem fala portugues?
15:13<fred1>!pr
15:13<fred1>er
15:13<fred1>!pt
15:13<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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15:13<ialefe17>um?
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15:14<ialefe17>oie?
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15:14<Ganneff>ialefe17: english only
15:14<Ganneff>!br
15:14<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:14<ialefe17>gente me ajudem eu nem sei dar nó na gravata
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15:15<ragnarok>themill: Fuck you!
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15:15<fred1>perhaps those canned messages should have the appropriate translation of 'nothing personal, we just dont understand your language'
15:15<sney`>man, some people just get too cranked up
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15:16<sney`>if he already quit he's not going to have the same mibbit mask again if he rejoins
15:16<sney`>if you want to keep him out you'll need to give all of mibbit a time out
15:16<maciek>can i get some help here?
15:16<sney`>!ask
15:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:18<maciek>I installed non-free nividia drivers and everyting was ok. but after reboot my Lenny didn't find Realtek Audio card.
15:18<maciek>i used alsa
15:18<ialefe17>sock me
15:19<mase>sock me?
15:19<ialefe17>rs
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15:19<ialefe17>kkkk
15:19<maciek>it was to me?
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15:19<ialefe17>nooo
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15:20<mase>maciek i don't think that has anything to do with the nvidia-stuff
15:20<maciek>in my HOWTO thats all...
15:20<mase>maciek before rebooting, have you upgraded to new kernel?
15:20<ialefe17>hy
15:21<retrospectacus>ialefe17: please ask a question about Debian in English or leave
15:21<maciek>no i didnt upgrade. before reboot I wasn't on X
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15:21<mase>maciek does alsa-mixer show up any sound card? (terminal)
15:22<maciek>it only finds my camera-microfon on USB
15:22<mase>maciek tried alsa-conf? (in the case you are still on lenny)
15:23<maciek>i didnt tried - im new in linux and that was shock for me
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15:23<\3TATUK\>Does anyone have a Linux/kFreeBSD dual boot setup?
15:23<mase>maciek don't be shocked; everythink has a reason... ;D
15:23<maciek>i know ;]
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15:24<mase>\3TATUK\ never giving up, heh?
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15:24<maciek>wait im tring alsaconf. thanks!
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15:25<fred1>\3TATUK\, if you're so positive it can work, go do it yourself and see.
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15:25<fred1>themill is one of the veterans here, if he says it cant be done then its unlikely you are going to find anyone else here that can help you
15:26<kenyon>and post documentation about it
15:26<fred1>kenyon, lets not get our hopes up _too_ high now
15:26<fred1>:P
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15:27<mase>puh, but its strange for a person to have multiple "grub" installation managed,... for a person not knowing the difference between linux and kfreebsd
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15:27<themill>\3TATUK\: if you think it's going to work, why not just download one of the kfreebsd packages from packages.debian.org and extract things out of it to get it to work. Or since you believe you can install kfreebsd on linux machine with apt, why don't you go ahead and do so.
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15:28<fred1>well until he came in i wasnt even aware of squeeze being ported to it at all.
15:28<themill>It's obvious that you're not going to believe what we say, you need to try it yourself first.
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15:33<ialefe17>ooooooooooooooiiiiiiiiii
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15:33<mase>thanks
15:33<fred1>!tranq ialefe17
15:33<fred1>oh sure, dpkg hands out beer and coffee but no tranquilizers
15:34<[Jason]>lol
15:34<mase>hehehe
15:34<\3TATUK\>Please look into supporting Linux/kFreeBSD dual-booting in squeeze!
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15:34*fred1 boggles
15:35<mase>oh man...
15:35<maciek>mase: thanks! alsaconf worked. ;)
15:35<mase>maciek oh really, but is the realtec-soundcard a ISA-card?
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15:35<fred1>ISA?!
15:35<kenyon>dual booting should work just like dual booting any other OSes. what's his problem.
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15:36<maciek>something about ISA was in console...
15:36<fred1>he wants to be able to switch between the kf kernel and the linux one, but boot the same system
15:36<kenyon>fred1: ah, well that seems highly unlikely.
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15:37<mase>fred1 because alsaconf is (was) the last step to get ISA cards working...
15:37<fred1>try telling him(her?) that
15:37<mase>maciek how old is your system?
15:38<maciek>my system? this means my PC or debian?
15:38<fred1>mase, I'm just surprised anyone would still be using an ISA system.. I mean, even PCI is getting dusty
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15:39<mase>fred1 We had this debate some time ago...; i still have some in my "thin-clients", 300Mhz
15:39<mase>maciek PC
15:39<maciek>my PC has 1 year.
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15:39<mase>maciek ?
15:39<fred1>mase, wow
15:39<sney`>probably no isa then
15:39<mase>no...
15:39<sney`>fred1: a lot of pci systems kept legacy isa slots for many years even after it was officially obsolete
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15:39<fred1>true, true.. but... ugh
15:39<sney`>and a 300mhz PII is plenty to just serve a screen and some input
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15:40<sney`>why get new hardware when you can reuse what you already have
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15:40<fred1>hey yer talking to a man with a closet full of hardware
15:40<sney`>got any vintage systems still in use?
15:40<fred1>old hardware.. I have a box of 2G scsi hard drives
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15:41<maciek>my Realtek is on MOBO ;)
15:41<fred1>the oldest thing I have running, at least that I can think of, is a PIII
15:41<sney`>pft
15:41<fred1>in use as a wintendo machine
15:41<sney`>that's practically modern
15:41<fred1>heh
15:41<fred1>I have some older stuff, but not currently in use
15:41<mase>maciek strange, maybe a upgrade would have also solved the problem...
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15:42<fred1>well, thats if we're talking just actual system
15:42<fred1>*s
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15:42<fred1>as far as hardware in general, my keyboard is probably older than any of you ;)
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15:42<maciek>i dont know. but it works... i have debian since yesterday
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15:43<maciek>my Keyboard is my first... 8 years ;P
15:43<fred1>if it works then thats all ya need
15:43<sney`>agreed
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15:43<mase>fred1 thin-clients with 300Mhz and above are still enough to watch DVD or hardly work via "remote" to an multicore-system
15:43<sney`>so why are you so disgusted by mase keeping his ISA boards :P
15:43<fred1>i wasnt disgusted
15:43<maciek>fred1: exacly
15:43<fred1>just surprised
15:43<kamal>I am able to mount my external usb hd using mount command as root but I can't access it from gnome using normal user.
15:43<sney`>kamal: what filesystem?
15:44<fred1>probably fat
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15:44<kamal>sney`: ntfs
15:44<sney`>!user accessible ntfs
15:44<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
15:44<fred1>same issue..
15:44<sney`>hardly. ntfs is way more of a pain in the ass
15:44<fred1>true, but the ownership issue is the same with fat or ntfs
15:45<fred1>my ext HD, I put two partitions.. one small fat one at the beginning, the rest of it ext2
15:45<kamal>sney`: yeah, I know the fstab method but I can't create an fstab entry for it every time I use it.
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15:45<fred1>and put windows ext2 drivers on the fat partition ;)
15:45<sney`>I just run ntfs-3g setuid root
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15:45<sney`>because it's my computer only so security holes are not really an issue
15:45<fred1>for the occasional windos-user that might want to share files with me
15:46<sney`>kamal: if you do the fstab entry by uuid instead of device name it'll associate properly every time
15:46<maciek>okey mates ;) i have to go! cya
15:46<fred1>another option would be to not mount it as root
15:46<fred1>but give non-root user permission to mount it
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15:46<sney`>right, chown the device to the user and run ntfs-3g setuid root. it works well but is not recommended for shared systems
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15:47<fred1>didnt mention if he was using gnome or not, but if so, gnome will automount removable drives in /media as the current user
15:47<edbian>Is there a way to set the permissions on a folder so that when files are placed inside (or created inside it) that the permissions are rw for everybody?
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15:48<sney`>that sounds like something I forgot from my LPI exam, edbian ;)
15:48<fred1>you can do setgid on a directory, but that will only set what group the files are, not what the actual perms are
15:48<sney`>something to do with masks
15:49<fred1>currently effective umask is what sets permission of any files created, and its not folder-specific
15:49<kamal>sney`: well how do I configure my friend's system who rarely takes my hd.
15:49<fred1>kamal, friend is windows or linux?
15:50<fred1>if its linux, then he should edumacte himself on the issue and configure it himself.
15:50<edbian>fred1: So is there no way to set the permissions based on what folder it's placed in?
15:50<kamal>fred1: linux
15:50<fred1>edbian, not with normal unix permission system
15:50<edbian>fred1: Ok thanks
15:50<fred1>perhaps an acl setup supports that
15:50<fred1>but im not familiar with that
15:50<edbian>fred1: I'll make a cron-job then I supposed
15:51<edbian>fred1: Can I umask based on user that created the file?
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15:51<fred1>umask is set on login
15:51<mase>fred acl with ntfs? does that work?
15:51<fred1>its like ulimit, etc..
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15:52<fred1>mase, eh? i dont think the ntfs question and the umask question were related
15:52<fred1>different questioners
15:52<mase>fred1 oh, sorry
15:52<k1lumin4t1>is there any debian work on netbooks?
15:52<mase>fred1 missed some lines ;)
15:52<sney`>k1lumin4t1: tons
15:52<kamal>sney`, fred1 : in kde, these disks are mounted and ready to access through file manager. anything similar in gnome?
15:52<sney`>k1lumin4t1: mostly on the Asus EEE though
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15:53<k1lumin4t1>sney, hmm..what about dell inspiron mini?
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15:53<sney`>k1lumin4t1: not sure, but I think there was a page on the debian wiki
15:53<k1lumin4t1>sney, what I'm looking for is some netbook optimized debian port, if such
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15:53<fred1>kamal, gnome has 'gnome-volume-manager' that normally automatically mounts remavable drives, or media in ie cdrom drives
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15:53<k1lumin4t1>sney, something like ubuntu netbook remix
15:54<fred1>kamal, its normally running by default, unless someone has disabled it intentionally
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15:54<fred1>eg a stock debian lenny install, with someone logged in using gnome, if you plug a usb flash stick in, it will automount it in /media (and it will show up in nautilus) automatically
15:54<fred1>assuming it has a known/supporting fs
15:54<fred1>supported*
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15:55<giuseppe_>ciao
15:55<sney`>k1lumin4t1: well you're not going to get that, the goal of debian is to have the core debian system run equally on everything. But it's very customizable so you can make it just as netbook-optimized as you want yourself.
15:55<fred1>and for non-unix fs (eg [v]fat, ntfs), i beleive it sets the 'fake ownership' to the currently logged in user
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15:56<fred1>crimin its late.. i gotta go
15:56<k1lumin4t1>sney`, you're right
15:56<fred1>l8r all
15:56<mase>what is the name for traditional "COM" ports again? was it RS232?
15:56<sney`>yep mase
15:56<mase>sney` and parallel port was?
15:56<giuseppe_>list file
15:56<sney`>db-something
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15:57<sney`>DB-25.
15:57<sney`>giuseppe_: no lista
15:57<bja>mase: serial ports on mac used another standard, i just can't recall the number
15:57<sney`>mac serial was some kind of mini-DIN
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15:58<tlyu>RS-422 done in some weird way, as i recall
15:58<bja>bingo
15:58<giuseppe_>list file music
15:58<sney`>giuseppe_: vattene via
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15:58<pipou>Slt
15:59<pipou>Iam Pipou
15:59<pipou>Hacker
15:59<sney`>k1lumin4t1: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini9 anyway
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15:59<k1lumin4t1>sney`, thanks a lot. I'm going to have a read on that
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16:16<freestyler>!de
16:16<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
16:17<locklace>!tell freestyler about selftell
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16:30<dominique>how do I install gnome in init 2 only and kde in init 3?
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16:30<andrew>hi guys!
16:31<dominique>*i meant in the runlevels
16:32<andrew>hi dominique
16:33<dominique>hey andrew...
16:34<andrew>:)
16:34<retrospectacus>dominique: just create or delete the symlinks in /etc/rc* or use the update-rc.d command
16:34<andrew>guys, you can't imagine
16:34<andrew>I've always used winzozz
16:35<andrew>but I wanted to learn using linux
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16:35<andrew>but it was too difficult to me
16:35<retrospectacus>dominique: if you have both installed, you should be able to choose which you want to use at the login screen with xdm
16:35<andrew>some months ago I barely managed installing it
16:35<andrew>and now I'm using a BT distro live :D For me it's a revolution
16:36<andrew>you can't imagin how much i'm happy
16:36<sney`>did it make you into a pro haxxor?
16:36<sney`>I hear that's what happens when you run bt4.
16:36<sney`>also,
16:36<sney`>!bt4
16:36<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
16:36<dominique>ty retrospectacus.. am reading about runlevels, dunno nothing actually.
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16:38<retrospectacus>dominique: I'm wondering why you are looking at runlevels... what are you trying to do?
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16:39<dominique>retrospectacus, i'm an amateur linux. I just wish to install both GNOME and KDE and be able to switch the desktops quickly. I don't need to preserve sessions...
16:39<sney`>there's nothing wrong with reading even if it doesn't fix your problem
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16:41<andrew>guys, where are you from?
16:41<andrew>I'm from Italy, and right now it's a quarter to eleven pm
16:41<dominique>andrew, guys here reply to technical queries readily... save ur energy.
16:41<retrospectacus>dominique: just install both, then when you are logging in you can choose which to use
16:41<andrew>hahaha sorry then :)
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16:42<dominique>retrospectacus... err... iz dat all!? lol... k. i'll try it out now...
16:43<andrew>guys, I'm going, hello everybody ;)
16:43<andrew>have a nice day!
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16:44<retrospectacus>ciao!
16:44<andrew>ciao a tutti! ;)
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16:45<retrospectacus>dominique: dat iz all... click the "Session" button on the login screen
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16:46<dominique>ty retrospectacus... and i wish to know where exactly runlevels come into play, other than rebooting and turning off...
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16:47<bja>dominique: man runlevel will give you a hint on where to start looking for stuff :)
16:47<retrospectacus>!runlevel
16:47<dpkg>0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc>.
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16:49<dominique>ty bja...
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17:04<adisonline>is there any way to detect the diferents words included between to txt files???
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17:04<bja>diff
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17:06<adisonline>diff compire line by line
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17:06<adisonline>it possible same word to be in defferent lines
17:06<bja>adisonline: adisonline yes diff compares line by line, if there is a difference in one line it will show you that line
17:07<bja>diff compares line one of file1.txt with line one of file2.txt
17:07<bja>it has lots of options to format the output
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17:08<bja>adisonline: Sorry, i misinterpreted your question, sed might be a better option
17:09<adisonline>i want to every word of text 1 to be compared with every word of second one and report all new words in second tetx
17:09<adisonline>i compire wordlistw
17:09<adisonline>wordlists
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17:09<adisonline>tring to make one for ailolib-ng
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17:11<adisonline>bja: any idea
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17:13<bja>adisonline: i was recalling a program that checks what words a file has, it is fairly easy to adapt it to your needs, it just escapes my mind
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17:13<kop>adisonline: wdiff
17:14<adisonline>thank you very much both
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17:14<adisonline>kop: any advise
17:14<adisonline>??
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17:16<adisonline>kop: i want to compire large dictionaries each one of them has aboot 400000 words
17:16<adisonline>is possible to accomplish the task??
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17:18<bja>adisonline: try it if it doesn't work you will have to search for another solution
17:20<adisonline>man wdiff
17:20<bja>400,000 words each having some 6 characters that makes around 2.3 MB i don't think is that big that with a modern hw you will not have any problems
17:20<adisonline>and show that only report if are deferencies
17:21<adisonline>but not specify them
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17:21<adisonline>400000 x 400000
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17:22<adisonline>its a huge enough to be coulcoulated
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17:23<bja>adisonline: believe me modern hw can do wonders, in the range of 1 e300, you will not notice any delay
17:24<adisonline>you are right
17:24<adisonline>:)
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17:25<adisonline>thinking the problem i have to solve
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17:25<adisonline>believe it is easier using comm
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17:26<bja>adisonline: There are a thousand ways to skin a cat
17:26<adisonline>yaaa
17:27<adisonline>tring to specify what pattern is better to use
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17:29<adisonline>goodnight
17:29<bja>rest
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17:38<mercutio22>gnome-do is causing me problems
17:38<mercutio22>it consumes my cpu cycles
17:39<azeem>then shut it down
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17:43<mercutio22>azeem: yeah... I did. I was just wondering if people have the same issue.
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17:44<azeem>mercutio22: most applications consume CPU cycles when they are running
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17:45<mercutio22>azeem: yeah, thats right. I mean its consuming 100% of my processing power and the pc gets real sluggish
17:45<mercutio22>azeem: ok, it seems to be a known bug
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17:48<mercutio22>look, changing subject, I can't mount an external HD via nautilus or by clicking on it in the "places" menu. What can I do to fix that? Here's my fstab: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4a45ab99. The filesystem is ntfs.
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17:48<nteon>hi folks, im having a very interesting problem
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17:49<locklace>nteon: we'll be the judge of that
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17:51<nteon>locklace: of course. I have a server running Lenny in a VM under esxi. I did a hard reset of it this morning because I couldn't ssh in, and our Jira issue-tracking system wasn't responding. Even the esxi console had locked up for me.
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17:51<nteon>upon reboot, there are no files modified after last tuesday
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17:51<locklace>before or after lunch
17:52<nteon>locklace: hm?
17:52<nteon>the last message (in /var/log/kern.log) dated before today (I rebooted it this morning) is:
17:52<nteon>se I couldn't ssh in, and our Jira issue-tracking system wasn't responding. Even the esxi console had locked up for me.
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17:52<nteon><nteon> upon reboot, there are no files modified after last tuesday
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17:53<bja>nteon: You also have mouse trouble :)
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17:55<nteon>/var/log/kern.log shows this: http://pastie.org/794303
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17:55<nteon>(well, and more after boot)
17:55<nteon>bja: heh, yea im also having typing issues today
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17:58<locklace>nteon: when was the vm last in a known-good state
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18:00<nteon>locklace: it was in use all of last week; the issue-tracker seemed to be working (Jira), but the last known-good state was the evening of the 18th (which seems to be the last time the backup cron scripts ran...)
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18:02<locklace>nteon: so it could have frozen on the 19th in a way that left the jira working, possibly from cache
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18:02<nteon>locklace: what do you mean by frozen?
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18:03<locklace>nteon: could be almost anything. more interested in what operations were actually verifiably working after that time, based on what you were using it for
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18:03<locklace>for example, were you doing things that required good reads and writebacks to disk
18:04<locklace>and how are you determining that no files were modified since the 19th
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18:05<ialefe17>oi
18:05<locklace>!br
18:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
18:05<mercutio22>Hi I am posting one last time in case someone who can help hasn't seen my previous message: I can't mount an external HD via nautilus or by clicking on it in the "places" menu. Can something be done to fix that? Here's my fstab: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4a45ab99. The filesystem is ntfs.
18:05<ialefe17>hy
18:05<locklace>ialefe17: fail
18:05<nteon>locklace: my current feeling is that files were modified after the 19th, but written to disk with the modification time of tuesday nigth
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18:06<locklace>nteon: so do some basic checks to find out whether it's the data or just the metadata that's missing
18:06<nteon>locklace: over 30 tickets were created and many modified; upon reboot mysql complained of tables in a crash state with extra columns
18:06<nteon>locklace: sure, will do.
18:07<kenyon>mercutio22: can you mount it from command line? can you get any error messages or debugging output from nautilus?
18:07<locklace>nteon: either way, sounds like you had a vm or block subsystem failure
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18:07<nteon>locklace: yea, its definitely got me nervous about running vms on this machine...
18:08<locklace>nteon: or possibly a more localised filesystem bug. if you have more than one fs, compare across them
18:08<locklace>nteon: vm above = virtual memory
18:09<mercutio22>kenyon: yes, I can mount it from the command line. I get a broken popup message from nautilus:" Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with:" and thats all. How should I get more debug info?
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18:09<locklace>nteon: and obviously, if the host is running other vms, comparing their behaviour over the same time period will be useful
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18:11<kenyon>mercutio22: I don't know, I don't use nautilus, but that would help someone debug your problem. also, maybe the fstab entry should be simplified by not having a space or whatever that \040 is.
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18:12<ialefe17>pink gout
18:13<ml|>mercutio22: you need to use UID= for the ones using UUID
18:13-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*insigne@201.83.1.*] by ChanServ
18:13<ml|>*UUID=
18:13<kenyon>you mean UUID=
18:13<mercutio22>kenyon: that \040 is a space indeed. it was put there by the disk manager application. I am afraid the disk came labeled from factory as "Iomega HDD", but that should not be a problem should it?
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18:14<kenyon>mercutio22: I don't know, it could be. just rename the directory.
18:14<mercutio22>ml|: Hi, last time I tried that. Thats works for automounting during but
18:14<mercutio22>kenyon: the problem is all my torrents already use that path...
18:15<kenyon>mercutio22: so make a symlink
18:15<bja>mercutio22: last time i used an Iomega external hd it was fat32, not ntfs
18:15<mercutio22>kenyon: good idea
18:15<ml|>or just rename the directory and ajust you bt client
18:16<ml|>*adjust ;0
18:16<mercutio22>hmmm
18:16<mercutio22>The symlink option would probably be easyer right?
18:16<mercutio22>easier
18:16<mercutio22>*
18:17<kenyon>mercutio22: try getting mounting to work first. I'm just speculating, the space might not even be a problem.
18:18<sylar>anyone know how to shut down the network?
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18:18<sylar>and make sure it stay that way?
18:18<ml|>mercutio22: might want to check bts
18:18<sylar>(something bring it up, and it isn't networkManager, whic I have killed)
18:19<bja>sylar: ifconfig eth0 down
18:19<mercutio22>ml|: what do you mean by "bts"?
18:19<mercutio22>bittorrents?
18:19<ml|>mercutio22: /msg dpkg bts
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18:20<kenyon>sylar: service networking stop && update-rc.d networking remove
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18:21<sylar>bja, that I did,. and a few minutes later it was up again
18:21<sylar>kenyon, I'll try
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18:23<bja>sylar: you can allways watch ifconfig whenever it it brought up, check syslog to see who brought it up
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18:25<mercutio22>ml|: Hmmmmm I've been there. Now I remember.
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18:25<mouahid>salut
18:26<ml|>mercutio22: should fix the UUID lines
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18:27<[Jason]>I'm trying to compile and install 2.6.32.4 on Lenny. It compiles fine and then when booting, gives me a bunch of EXT3-fs errors (ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block) and can't find the inittab. I've checked the fs options during config. ext2 and ext3 are both compiled into the kernel.
18:27<[Jason]>Just wondering if anyone has any ideas on how to fix that? :P
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18:28<locklace>[Jason]: might as well go with .32.6 instead
18:28<[Jason]>Ah, ok. Just the one I've been messing with since I started :P
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18:30<mercutio22>ml|: oh, I now I remember I was having issues getting the right uuid for that device. Here's the output of blkid: http://debian.pastebin.com/d690a1c3d. If I replace /dev/sdc1 with 804CD8C74CD8B95C in fstab, I get a different error message when mounting: ntfs-3g: Failed to access volume '804CD8C74CD8B95C': No such file or directory.
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18:32<mercutio22>ml|: so maybe I the UUID is wrong... how can I find the right one?
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18:32<mercutio22>ml|: I mean, the one that trully relates to the external HD, /dev/sdc1
18:33<kenyon>mercutio22: you aren't using UUID for that device, you have it as /dev/sdc1
18:33<ml|>mercutio22: I was talking about the others, can't say about nfs drive I don't use one
18:34<mercutio22>kenyon: I replaced it
18:34<kenyon>mercutio22: did you try removing the space from the mountpoint?
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18:35<ml|>mercutio22: also you where not using UUID= just the UUID
18:35<ml|>?
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18:36<ml|>for the ntfs drive when you got that error?
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18:39<mercutio22>ml|: yeah, that was it
18:39<mercutio22>ml|: inserting UUID= solved it
18:40<kenyon>apparenly nautilus fails at parsing fstab
18:41<ml|>so it mounts now with nautilus?
18:41<mercutio22>ml|: yes
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18:41<ml|>!congratulate mercutio22
18:41<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies mercutio22, you did it!
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18:41<mercutio22>thanks doods
18:42<ml|>mercutio22: when using UUID have to use UUID=
18:42<mercutio22>ml|: yeah. Learned another one
18:42<sylar>kenyon, I did what you said, and it was brought up again
18:42<kenyon>yet somehow he managed to boot without UUID=
18:43<mercutio22>kenyon: yes, it seems UUID= is only needed for ntfs filesystems
18:43<ml|>or /dev/disk/by-uuid/
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18:43<ml|>yeah that seems wierd
18:43<mercutio22>ml|: for the linux partitions I don't need UUID=
18:44<ml|>you can use what you like
18:44<mercutio22>ml|: yeah, cool.
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18:44<mercutio22>ml|: I wonder why the differet behavior though...
18:44<mercutio22>*different
18:44<ml|>mercutio22: /msg dpkg UUID to understand better
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18:45<sylar>I have avahi-autoipd, and dhclient running
18:46<mercutio22>ml|: alright, I will reboot with UUID= now to see how it goes
18:46<mercutio22>brb
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18:50<trank>hi
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18:59<sentor>hi
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19:01<sentor>how can i identify the appropriate ssh public key in the authorized_keys after a login
19:04<retrospectacus>define "appropriate"
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19:05<sentor>retrospectacus: i want to know who is log in (which public key is used)
19:05<mercutio22>I am back. Now nautilus shows two external devices =P
19:05<mercutio22>well
19:05<mercutio22>ok
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19:06<weasel>sentor: ssh doesn't tell you.
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19:08<sentor>weasel: hm, can the `command="log user .."' in the authorized_keys a help to log the key?
19:09<ml|>sentor: ssh-add -l or -L might be what you are after
19:09<l3ek>how come flash doesnt work... i have backtrack 4 its probably something stupid according to synaptic it is installed by default
19:09<locklace>!backtrack
19:09<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
19:10<l3ek>the bottom also says scripts currently forbidden
19:10<retrospectacus>l3ek: we cannot help you with that OS
19:10<l3ek>that sucks
19:11<themill>l3ek: try #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net.
19:11<l3ek>ok
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19:12<sentor>ml|: thx i will give it a try :)
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19:13<l3ek>there is only one person in #backtrack..?
19:14<ml|>#backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
19:14<mercutio22>ok, so now I want to try and solve the torrent problem by linking. How exactly should I do that? I relabeled the external HD to Iomega-HDD. Transmition will look for torrents in /media/Iomega HDD, but they really are at /media/Iomega-HDD.
19:14<l3ek>ooo
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19:15<ml|>mercutio22: change it in transmission
19:15<mercutio22>ml|: that would involve more work.. right?
19:15<ml|>how?
19:15<meowcats>adobe flash crashes iceweasel on testing :|
19:15<ml|>meowcats: not here
19:16<meowcats>x64?
19:16<sylar>how to stop dhclient, and avahi-autoipd ?
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19:16<sylar>anyone know who to shut down the network?
19:16<ml|>no i386
19:16<mercutio22>ml|: I would have to change the path of every single torrent in transmission
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19:17<trank>how can i see what process is paging in the linux memory ?
19:17<bja>mercutio22: a simlink will work faster for the moment
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19:17<ml|>oh, there is not a main section base dir = /path/ that sucks
19:18<trank>vmstat -s , but how can i see the process/
19:18<mercutio22>bja should I make a hardlink or a symbolic link?
19:18<meowcats>ml| maybe its just x64 then
19:19<ml|>mercutio22: if it's not a lot I would change them now
19:19<ml|>meowcats: perhaps, have you checked bts?
19:19<meowcats>i havnt checked anything :o
19:19<mercutio22>ml|: why do you dislike the symlink option?
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19:20<ml|>meowcats: it would help if you did ;)
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19:23<ml|>mercutio22: no, but why use it when you can change that in transmission; just preference
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19:23<meowcats>!bts
19:23<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
19:23<ml|>meowcats: /msg dpkg selftell
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19:24<cwood>Evening. Any recommendations for Debian-compatible, scriptable MUD clients?
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19:26<mercutio22>ml|: its just that... it would give me a lot of work...
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19:28<meowcats>it looks like a bug is filed already :) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=553060
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19:30<locklace>cwood: aptitude search '~dmud'
19:30<cwood>locklace: thanks, I'll browse.
19:31<ml|>meowcats: would not hurt if you added to that bug report
19:31<retrospectacus>mercutio22: symlinking will work but is not the cleanest or "correct" way to do it
19:34<retrospectacus>I would certainly go for it if you have a lot of references to the old location, rather than change all of them
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19:36<bja>mercutio22: i would simlink the dirs, and any new torrents, i would directly apoint to the new dir
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19:37<mercutio22>yeah, I will do that, thanks guys
19:37<meowcats>ml| i try to reproduce the error
19:38<meowcats>now videos play, but no sound :p
19:38<cwood>meowcats: at least you have subtitles.
19:38<meowcats>OH i try to navigate away from page, then crash
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19:39<meowcats>i wonder if it has anything to do with pulseaudio
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19:52<meowcats>im trying to file bug report, but how to get information like posted here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=25;bug=553060
19:54<ml|>use reportbug to generate, copy and paste to email you will send
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19:56<meowcats>:)
19:57<ml|>make sure not to send with reportbug ;) or maybe reportbug has an option to add to bug already reported?
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20:02<vagn>So I'm poking around and I find this: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/5.0.2-live/i386/web/debian-live-502-i386-kde-desktop.squashfs
20:02<vagn>is there any documentation on how to set that up?
20:02<vagn>I have pxelinux.o and that working
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20:03<meowcats>looks like it is a known problem already :p http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2009/12/flash_player_10_security_updat.html#comment-2113801
20:05<vagn>never mind, debina-live project ... duh!
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20:07<sylar>I hope that someone here knows how to shut donw the network
20:07<sylar>if someone knows, please let me know
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20:08<bja>sylar: what have you done since the last time you posted anything?
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20:09<meowcats>definitely a flash problem, it crashes google chrome too
20:09<ml|>shouldn't /etc/init.d/networking stop work?
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20:10<sylar>bja, stopped and remved networking, network-manager , network-manager-dispacher
20:10<sylar>bja, looked at syslog
20:10<sylar>syslog say that the kernel say that eth0 is not ready, and then dhclient, and avahi-autoipd are bringing the network up
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20:10<sylar>tried to issue a stop on avahi-autopid
20:10<sylar>or rather it was a kill
20:11<sylar>it still is resurecting
20:11<sylar>like a champ
20:11<sylar>I stopped avahi-daemon too
20:11<sylar>didn't elp
20:11<sylar>what else?
20:12<sylar>reading some man pages
20:12<ml|>!enter
20:12<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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20:13<sylar>ml|, thanks for the info
20:13<bja>ok, whenever i want eth0 really down i run the following script http://www.pastie.org/794453
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20:13<sylar>ml|, please add to dpkg that some people think in chunks, without ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':'
20:13<bja>sylar: ^^
20:14<sylar>k
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20:15<ml|>sylar: take a second and collect your thoughts? :P
20:15<bja>it actually stops all the daemons that i have connected to eth0 so it also saves some battery when i am on the go
20:15<ml|>bja: a bit overkill? ;)
20:15<sylar>did you do ifconfig afterwards to see if it is really down/
20:15<sylar>?
20:16<bja>sylar: yes
20:16<bja>ml|: actually when i make the network card sit really idle it will give me some 30 mins extra of battery power :)
20:16<ml|>:)
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20:17<sylar>I don't see how it would help me
20:18<sylar>though, I don't mind to try
20:18<sylar>tried everything so far
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20:18<bja>sylar: did you tried everything at the same time?
20:19<sylar>I meant everything that was suggested
20:19<sylar>which is lines 4,5,6,16
20:20<bja>line 13 is a must unless you have bind or something similar running
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20:21<sylar>k, I'll try 13
20:21<bja>hope it works
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20:22<cesurasean>which mail system is installed when you click on mail system when installing lenny?
20:22<meowcats>on a plus note, you can try flashplayer 10.1 in x86
20:22<meowcats>just not in x86_64
20:22<bja>cesurasean: afaik exim
20:22<meowcats>:|
20:22<cesurasean>thx
20:22<meowcats>http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
20:22<sylar>bja, I don't heven have that dameon
20:23<meowcats>10.1 is the first version to support hardware acceleration
20:23<meowcats>its about damn time they bring that
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20:29<meowcats>one more update, there is an alpha of 10.1 for x86_64 versions available: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
20:29<bja>sylar: if i recall correctly i used one command to see what programs where using eth0, i just can't recall which one was :(
20:29<bja>i also used it to see what open files i had
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20:32<kop>bja: lsof
20:32<bja>kop: sounds like it, thx
20:32<meowcats>im unsure of how to install it though
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20:39<bja>kop: no, it wasn't lsof, but thx anyway
20:39<bja>sylar: let me do some checking and if i get everything correctly i'll post you a note
20:41<meowcats>apperently the "alpha" on x86_64 linux is actually still 10.0 code
20:41<meowcats>not 10.1
20:41<meowcats>:|
20:41<meowcats>laaaame
20:41<ml|>meowcats: better to wait untill it's in debian; but if you want to do it anyways it's explained on that site
20:42<meowcats>ml| i did, but its not the fixed code
20:42<meowcats>adobe has given x86_64 users the middle finger again
20:45<bja>sylar: I just remembered, i used powertop to get everything to the minimum power demand, and a byproduct was that the network card became completely disabled :)
20:45<bja>sorry it took me so long to remember
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20:48<sylar>I just killed dhclient
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20:49<sylar>and so far eth0 stay down
20:49<bja>great
20:49<sylar>I wonder who started dhclient
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20:49<sylar>(and how to make it not start in the future); sorry ml|
20:50<ml|>hmm, thought you tried that already?
20:50<sylar>no, I was trying to be nice, and issue stop and stuff
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20:51<ml|>sylar: it's just easier to follow what you are saying :)
20:51<sylar>and , also, I didn't know if dhclient may not be resurrected just like eth0 is
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20:53<sylar>ml|, I guess, but I'll need some coherency circuit transplant for that into my brainz, .. which may be possible, if I'll find a coherent hero, and eat his/her's brainz
20:54<ml|>it seems you don't need that see :)
20:54<sylar>You are right ; I am cured :D
20:55<sylar>I now need to find what triggers dhclient
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20:56<sylar>it isn't in the init.d script
20:56<sylar>s
20:56<ml|>if you reboot it start again; not sure but maybe having "auto ethx" in /etc/network/interfaces
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20:56<sylar>I have commented out everything but lo in there, ml|
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20:57<cwood>For interest's sake, kildcient seems to do 95%+ of what I used to do with xpertmud, and it's recently developed and in Debian besides.
20:57<ml|> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf ?
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20:58<sylar>ml|, that looks like a good place to look
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20:59<sylar>though it is annoying to read such a long man page , just to kill something
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21:00<fmiser>I just tried to file in a form with acroread installed from the multi-media repository on my Lenny system. It complains about "plugin not available in current configuration".
21:00<fmiser>Looked through preferences and didn't see anything that seemed to apply.
21:00<fmiser>Ideas?
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21:01<sylar>ml|, almost everything is commented out in that conf, and the part that aren't look like module lookup, and not a configuration
21:02<ml|>yeah, looks like that is wrong also; it was just a wild guess
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21:09<sylar>hmm; i'll continue tomorrow then; night ml|
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21:13<ml|>sylar: good night/luck
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21:25<cesurasean>yuck. - http://pastebin.com/f593976d5
21:25<cesurasean>on squeeze. bind9 is crapping out while adding a bind group.
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21:26<cesurasean>'anyone have a solution? is there newer than version 9 currently out?
21:26<cwood>cesurasean: bind9 is the current stable version. Enable/increase logging, see what that tells you.
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21:27<cesurasean>cwood, how do i enable/increase logging?
21:27<tp43>alright, anyone very familiar with hdaps, it is too high tech for me. I can manage suspend to disk and ram with these two commands echo -n mem > /sys/power/state and echo shutdown > /sys/power/disk; echo disk > /sys/power/state, so how can I change it so when lid is closed it just runs those commands
21:28<cwood>cesurasean: you can read the bind9 docs to figure that out. The package to install is "bind9-doc".
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21:34<cesurasean>yuck. bind has crashed on two machines when lenny>>squeeze . looks like i will have to work around, instead of reading as cwood has suggested.
21:37<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: uh... what architecture is this?
21:38<cesurasean>386
21:38<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: running on what hardware?
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21:38<cesurasean>one is that hp proliant dl360, the other is an older HP desktop, not quite sure what motherboard is has on it.
21:38<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: basically, groupadd is failing because it's triggering an invalid opcode, which shouldn't be happening unless you're doing something really od
21:39<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: which dl360?
21:39<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: also, which kernel are you running?
21:39<cesurasean>newest kernel via aptitude update
21:39<cesurasean>what do you mean by which dl360?
21:39<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: uname -a; there are a few dozen kernels you can run
21:40<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: there are at least 7 variants of the dl360
21:40<tp43>how do you specify to use backports?
21:40<cesurasean>perhaps you missed the convo yesterday.
21:40<dondelelcaro>tp43: using the -t option
21:41<cesurasean>honestly, i don't know too much about these machines.
21:41<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: then run dmidecode on them, and find out?
21:41<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: basically, the error that you're seeing is most likely a kernel bug, or some issue with the hardware, and has nothing to do with bind
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21:41<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: if groupadd is failing, you've got rather large problems
21:42<tp43>dondelelcaro, thanks
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21:42<cesurasean>dondelelcaro, what do you mean by rather large problems?
21:42<tp43>dondelelcaro, so I have to apt-get remove purge apci, and then apt-get install -t apci?
21:43<tp43>cesurasean, basically groupadd should not fail
21:43<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: you've got a really basic opcode which isn't being handled by the underlying hardware. Presumably that's a kernel bug, but it's hard to say
21:43<dondelelcaro>tp43: no, you want apt-get -t lenny-backports install acpi; or similar. Or you could use the curses aptitude interface to select that precise version
21:43<cesurasean>perhaps it's related to the processor.
21:43<cesurasean>pentium 3's on both machines...
21:44<tp43>dondelelcaro, thanks so much
21:44<dondelelcaro>cesurasean: and which specific kernel are you running?
21:44<cesurasean>dondelelcaro, give me a second to get one of them booted up. whatever the standard i386, newest is.
21:44<ml|>tp43: /msg dpkg bpo for more info and also to search for available packages, link on that page
21:44<cesurasean>give me a second and i will tell you
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21:48<cesurasean>now i can't even log in. perhaps it is hardware related....
21:48<ml|>cesurasean: same machine you where having vbox crashing?
21:49<cesurasean>no
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21:49<cesurasean>well, it is one that is having groupadd problems with bind, but it is responsive still..
21:54<cesurasean>eh looks like both are crashed now..
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21:57<dondelelcaro>heh; yeah, I bet for kernel or similar issues
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22:01<cesurasean>seems its a kernel problem
22:01<cesurasean>i got bind installed running an older kernel
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22:02<cesurasean>2.6.32-trunk-686 is the one with issues on both machines...
22:03<cesurasean>2,6.26-2-686 works fine...
22:03<cesurasean>2.6.26-2-686
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22:05<cesurasean>now it's just getting stuck while booting.
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22:06<tp43>how do you apt-cache search for backports?
22:07<abrotman>do ypou have backports in your sources ?
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22:07<tp43>abrotman, yep
22:07<abrotman>apt-cache search bpo ?
22:07<tp43>oh, thanks
22:07<cesurasean>no, no backports.
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22:08<abrotman>cesurasean: that wasn't for you
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22:09<tp43>how do I disable lid close events for my laptop, or specify the command it should run
22:10<ml|>tp43: btw, how many packages got installed from testing when trying to move to testing or did it just fail without anything being installed from testing?
22:10<tp43>cause, its not working the way its configured, but if I manually enter echo -n mem > /sys/power/state, its fine
22:11<tp43>ml|, its was some crazy dependency cycling going on for a long while so I just hit control+C
22:12<ml|>oh, so did not notice what aptitude did before that
22:13<tp43>ml|, well, it was trying to solve dependencies, and it was stuck at about 300 of them, and there was another number that kept increasing to about 14000, and then there was 69 number that kept coming up, but the number 300 left stayed the same...dunno what the heck
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22:16<ml|>ok, just wondering; probably nothing happened
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22:17<mmejia27>hello...another noob here looking for a little help on some resources
22:17<mmejia27>I am looking into getting a bit more into the developing world of GNU/Linux
22:17<mmejia27>but everything that I find is usually too outdated, basic, or too specific
22:18<mmejia27>I don't know if you guys had any recommendations for projects?
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22:18<mmejia27>Maybe something I can join that will let me do some simple development
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22:31<jmarsden>mmejia27: Look through Launchpad. Find a bug in a package you know. Fix it. Get your fix included upstream, or create a debdiff. Repeat :)
22:31<jmarsden>Ditto for bugs.debian.org or any other bugtracker of your choice, really.
22:33<abrotman>!rc bugs
22:33<dpkg>Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. See the graph at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ or the list at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html , also http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php . See also <rc-alert>.
22:35<abrotman>mmejia27: more specifically, what kind of coding can you do? or is there some other way you'd like to contribute? perhaps writing man pages?
22:35<mmejia27>What would you recommend for learning things that are more to the core of gnu/linux
22:35<sney`>dissect the kernel
22:35<cwood>Where do you think the core is?
22:35<mmejia27>the kernel/drivers etc
22:35<sney`>I hear rt2x00 needs work
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22:36<abrotman>mmejia27: could you write an "Advanced Options" interface for FF/IW that gives options and descriptions for all the stuff in prefs.js
22:36<tp43>mmejia27, hehe you sure about that
22:36<matts>can some one helo me connet my i phone to ubuntu
22:36<sney`>!ubuntu
22:36<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:37<abrotman>matts: ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.nte
22:37<abrotman>.net
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22:37<tp43>mmejia27, check out the acpi scripts, and let me know which one can change the lip close event for laptops, cause mine isn't working so good
22:37<tp43>mmejia27, look in /etc
22:38<mmejia27>well, I need some guidance to getting to that level
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22:38<abrotman>tp43: /etc/acpi.d/lid.sh or something like that
22:38<matts>thanks
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22:38<abrotman>eh .. maybe not
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22:38<abrotman>tp43: i vaguely recall a lid.sh somewhere
22:38<mmejia27>that's why i was asking...what are some projects that will help in learning some of the internals and build on the c/c++ required skills
22:38<tp43>abrotman, I am scared to mess things up, all those scribs run other scripts, and back and forth ...
22:38<abrotman>so?
22:39<abrotman>tp43: maybe try an 'exit 0;' at the top of the lid.sh ..
22:39<tp43>abrotman, it would take me a week of intense study, with a possible fail. Very dangerous endevour, I am not gonna start it today. I already racked too many hours
22:39<tp43>abrotman, ok, since you said it, I am gonna go for it
22:40<abrotman>great plan ...
22:40<tp43>abrotman, I don't have acpi.d
22:40<jmarsden>mmejia27: If you are certain you want to play in the land of the kernel, check out the Kernel Janitors project as one way to get started with kernel stuff... http://janitor.kernelnewbies.org/
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22:41<ExCaLiBuR||>hola
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22:41<tp43>action=/etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh %e, whats this %e business?
22:41<mmejia27>That looks really interesting...thanks jmarsden
22:41<jmarsden>mmejia27: You're welcome.
22:42<tp43>mmejia27, I recommend you read qt4 book for now
22:43<mmejia27>any recommendations? I've looked all over Amazon, but most of the books on Linux are 4+ years old
22:43<tp43>mmejia27, thats the best way to use your current skills and get somewhere soon
22:43<mmejia27>I've been looking at qt4 and wxWidgets I think was the other one
22:43<tp43>how do you transfer files here again?
22:44<jmarsden>!tell tp43 about pastebin
22:44<tp43>mmejia27, do you want the book? you can find it online. There is another one too, about linux programming
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22:44<tp43>jmarsden, I never pasted more than two lines
22:44<JoseMiguel>humm
22:44<JoseMiguel>how do i add the non-free rep?
22:45<abrotman>mmejia27: if the book is cheap enough, and well reviewed, it's still useful .. you'll have to augment what it shows you, but it won't be completely unuseful
22:45<abrotman>!tell JoseMiguel about non-free
22:45<jmarsden>tp43: pastebin is how we can xfer (text) files around here...
22:45<JoseMiguel>!tell about non-free
22:45<abrotman>!tell JoseMiguel about non-free
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22:45<abrotman>JoseMiguel: see wha tthe bot told you
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22:45<jmarsden>tp43: You asked: <tp43> how do you transfer files here again?
22:45<mmejia27>i am wary of buying them since there are always mixed reviews about them
22:46<tp43>jmarsden, ooooooooooh, no it was a pdf file
22:46<mmejia27>It's kind of frustrating
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22:46<tp43>jmarsden, I was thinking of ctcp or something like that
22:47<JoseMiguel>and about the nvidia driver, can someone help me? i tryied to install it from the nvidia web (nvidia-foo.run) but i couldnt :/, installed gcc and the other package...
22:47<abrotman>!tell JoseMiguel about nvidia
22:47<JoseMiguel>isnt there a "build-essentials" package like Ub~?
22:47<JoseMiguel>ok thanks xD
22:48<tp43>ok abrotman I am gonna replace /etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh with echo -n mem > /sys/power/state
22:48<abrotman>if you say so .. i dont know what that script does
22:48<abrotman>make sure oyu make a backup
22:49<tp43>abrotman, yep
22:50<mmejia27>what do you guys think of the Linux From Scratch project?
22:50<mmejia27>Good way to learn some of the basics of working on the Kernel?
22:51<sney`>LFS is a great way to learn how the OS is put together
22:52<tp43>how do I restart acpid?
22:52<sney`>probably /etc/init.d/acpid restart
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22:52<tp43>sney, ok, I am gonna test it now, hopefully I am back sooner than later,
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23:13<mmejia27>well, while the kernel source downloads, what's up?
23:14<mmejia27>the kerneljanitor irc seems to be very neglected
23:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 376] by debhelper
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23:31<cesurasean>fixed my issue. reinstalled lenny, installed bind9, then >> squeeze
23:31<cesurasean>bind9 restarts fine now, no kernel panic.
23:31<cesurasean>i assume thats how it was tested, anyway.
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23:35<cesurasean>both consoles look very familiar as well. they must be similar boards.
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23:41<goodger>incidentally, does anyone have any rule of thumb for calculating a swappiness value for a particular RAM size?
23:42<goodger>I have noticed that my system effectively crashes due to the I/O load of dumping stuff to swap when a process suddenly starts eating RAM
23:42<goodger>so I thought I ought to try and increase the amount of real memory available
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23:45<raylu>some people recommend 1x physical memory, some people recommend 2x
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23:46<sney`>some people don't use swap at all
23:46<goodger>does anyone who knows what swappiness is have an opinion?
23:47<cesurasean>goodger, the install should determine that info for you.
23:47<sney`>!swappiness
23:47<dpkg>rumour has it, swappiness is A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660
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23:49<goodger>hmm... none of those are much use, as my system doesn't have enough RAM to just avoid the use of swap at all, unfortunately
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23:51<goodger>I suppose setting it to 100 wouldn't hurt it, but I'd like to keep free about 200M of real RAM without buggering my system's performance under lower RAM usage
23:51<tp43>I have kernel bpo 2.6.28, I am installing linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686, is it a good idea?
23:51<sney`>yes, 2.6.30 is great
23:52<tp43>also, I can't get acpid to run it says, acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: No such file or directory
23:52<tp43>sney, you think this new kernel will me with this problem?
23:52<tp43>sney, how do I get rid of my old kernels, cause now I will have three in grub
23:52<sney`>I don't know if it will, but it's generally better, and more people are using 2.6.30 than 2.6.28 so you will get more support
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23:53<sney`>with aptitude remove. once you're sure you don't need it anymore, tell apt to take it away, and the grub config will follow automatically
23:53<tp43>sney, cool, will I have to re-install other stuff, like kde?
23:53<sney`>not kde
23:53<sney`>if you had to build any drivers with module-assistant you will need to do that again
23:53<sney`>but most things will just work
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23:53<tp43>sney, oh yeah, maybe wireless eh
23:54<sney`>what wireless do you have
23:54<tp43>sney, I can't even remember, the last time I did it was over a year ago
23:54<sney`>lspci | grep -i net
23:55<tp43>04:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection (rev 05)
23:55<tp43>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3_tso5.bin for module tg3
23:56<sney`>I can never remember the name of that module
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23:57<tp43>what does that mean?
23:57<sney`>if something says W: it's a warning
23:57<sney`>and if nothing is visibly broken, then it's probably not a warning you need to worry about
23:58<tp43>sney, thanks, I am gonna boot into this new kernel, see you in a few
23:58<sney`>ok, tp43, when you upgrade to 2.6.30 it should automatically update to the new firmware-ipwx2200 package
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