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---Logopened Tue Jan 26 00:00:04 2010
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00:02<tp43>hi someone said sothing when I rebooted and I missed it
00:03<tp43>oh, I see it, its ok
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00:03<tp43>this new kernel didn't help me install acpid
00:04<tp43>acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: No such file or directory
00:04<tp43>I be back in a few mins
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00:08<Xalk>need help
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00:19<gsimmons>tp43: Install the acpid version from lenny-backports to resolve ; /msg dpkg acpid
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00:22<tp43>gsimmons, thanks
00:23<tp43>gsimmons, when i do apt-cache search acpi bpo or backports, it comes up with nothing
00:24<tp43>gsimmons, I have Hit lenny-backports/contrib Packages
00:24<gsimmons>tp43: You already know the name of the package to install, why are you searching for it?
00:25<tp43>gsimmons, oh, ok, so I will do apt-get remove --purge acpid, and then apt-get -t lenny-backports install acpid
00:25<gsimmons>Your last command is sufficient.
00:26<tp43>gsimmons, holy smoke, you did, it works
00:26<tp43>gsimmons, I could have swore I did that already though, ok I am gonna test it now, hopefully I see you sooner than later if it works
00:27<tp43>yep, lol, it works
00:27<tp43>gsimmons, where you been all my life
00:30<tp43>there is a wierd bug or feature, when I wake from sleep, I have to do it twice. it sleeps, I wake it, it wakes and sleeps again, and then I wake it once more
00:32<tp43>thanks gsimmons
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00:41<VelvetElvis>Howdy. I just rebooted my sid box for the first time in a week or so and found that my monitor now goes into sleep mode on X startup. I searched the mailing lists and bug reports but couldn't find anything similar reported. Has anyone heard of anything similar happening?
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00:52<Presently42>I have a rather strange problem: If I use my external hard drive and external sound card (dac) for too long simultaneously, the sound card stops working, as does the usb mouse, but the hard drive still works. Furthermore, the only way to fix things is to reboot with reisub, as the reboot command simply doesn't work. Thoughts?
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00:58<tp43>if I have backports kernel, and I want to intall kde4 from testing, can I just change stable to testing in sources.list, do apt-get update and apt-get intall kde4?
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01:00<goodger>tp43: yes, and then you'll be running a strange hybrid of stable, backports and testing, and then you'll have all kinds of fun
01:02<Presently42>Meh, I run stable, backports and a programme from experimental on my server.
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01:03<Presently42>Not that I endorse such silliness for others; I'm just a nutter.
01:04<VelvetElvis>tp43: It might be a better idea to just upgrade to testing. I'd think it's going to go into freeze before a whole lot longer so there shouldn't be many supprises.
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01:05<jerryclunsford>For some reason when I booted my lenny computer this morning my screen was changed to 800x600 the higher resolutions were not available when went to change it back, however my other user has the original resolution.
01:05<VelvetElvis>since it's been half an hour since I asked, anyone have any suggestins as to why all of a sudden my monitor goes to sleep when X starts?
01:06<Presently42>VelvetElvis: the monitor goes to sleep the instart X starts?
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01:07<Presently42>VelvetElvis: Are you sure that the correct driver is loaded?
01:07<VelvetElvis>I'm actualy using a VC under X. when I got to VC7 to get a "real" console it puts the monitor back to sleep.
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01:08<VelvetElvis>I'll go reread the log just to make sure
01:08<Presently42>I believe that some monitors interpret a brief lack of signal as a cue to sleep: when changing VCs, this can happen.
01:09<goodger>VelvetElvis: is your monitor configured for DPMS in xorg.conf?
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01:10<VelvetElvis>how odd. there seems to be no logs at all. I've done several reboots and perhaps they were replaced by nothing the times X failed to start?
01:11<VelvetElvis>xorg.conf is just the default. I quit trying to keep up with how to configure X manualy around the time it started getting automated and mixed in with HAL
01:12<VelvetElvis>but it has been using DPMS
01:13<Presently42>Here's some thing interesting to do with my query, xorg seems to thing that my external sound card is a keyboard! Is there a way to tell X to ignore a particular id or some such? Google isn't being helpful.
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01:14<jm_>Presently42: you can specify which input devices to use using evdev driver
01:15<Presently42>jm_: Can I specify which not to use? I do still want automatic configuration of real input devices.
01:16<jm_>Presently42: not sure if HAL has any options to exclude given device, if you rely on that
01:17<Presently42>jm_ I rather have been as I can't be bothered to configure for each device. And there are times when I plug some other device in and expect it to work.
01:17<VelvetElvis>even odder, 30 minutes ago I had an xorg.conf file, now it's gone
01:17<VelvetElvis>I'm going to reinstall all of X and see what happens
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01:18<Presently42>jm_: The evdev man page seems to indicate that I can only specify which to use and not which to exclude.
01:19<jm_>Presently42: that's not of particular interest for you if you're using HAL
01:19<Presently42>Of course, I'm not even sure that this is a problem: I still get sound from the dac, it just periodically dies.
01:19<Presently42>jm_: Ah well.
01:20<tp43>anyone tried avant-window-navigator, its definitely cool, but unstable. How about lqde, I haven't found a debian package for it though, I have the sources, but there is no ./configure, or make target, I can't install it from source
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01:20<jerryclunsford>Can some one tell me how get the screen resolution option back on one user I lost the higher resoloutions
01:20<Presently42>tp43: I tried avant-window-navigator once, many years ago.
01:21<Presently42>jerryclunsford: Does xrandr not give the option of higher resolutions?
01:22<Presently42>If not, try specifying them in xorg.conf.
01:22<jm_>Presently42: section
01:22<jm_>Ignoring a device
01:22<tp43>Presently42, hehe, I know, I used to see screenshots of people who had it, but I didn't know want it was called, I then just a yesterday I stumbled on it, its awesome, but I wish there was something better, better than mac not just the same
01:22<jerryclunsford>Only 640 & 800 on one user the other has higher resolutions
01:23<jm_>jerryclunsford: check X log to see what X got back from monitor
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01:24<jm_>Presently42: some more examples
01:24<Presently42>jm_: Ooo, this might work nicely.
01:24<jm_>yay for short URL-s
01:24<jerryclunsford>And were is X log located I haven't used linux much/
01:24<jm_>!x logfile
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01:25<dpkg>Xorg-problems-tell us: graphics card Ask me <whats my hardware> to find out, xorg-module used grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf, kernel module for card lsmod , messages on loading the module tail"; content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log . Without X? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
01:25<jm_>there's the log
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01:27<VelvetElvis>well, explicitly changing the Device section of my xorg.conf didn't work. (I fould it)
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01:29<Presently42>Grr! It just happened again. Alas, here comes an emergency reboot.
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01:40<jerryclunsford>Don't understand sorry to waste your time. Thanks anyway.
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01:45<kamal>suggest an irc client for gnome?
01:46<goodger_>kamal: xchat-gnome
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01:46<kamal>goodger: is xchat free? on windows it expires after a trial period.
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01:47<jm_>there's a proper free version of xchat for windows
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01:47<goodger>kamal: yes, it is
01:48<kamal>jm_: could you point me to it please?
01:49<kamal>goodger: okay. I will get it then.
01:49<jm_>kamal: yes (please don't use yes/no questions) --
01:50<kamal>jm_: thanks. will keep it in mind
01:50<goodger>oh dear god, people need it branded into their foreheads that fontin is not a body face
01:50<goodger>and that trebuchet is not a display face...
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01:58<kamal>on adobe site, flash player is available in tar.gz and deb formats (for ubuntu). which one of those should I use?
01:59<jm_>kamal: dmm has it packaged, why not use that?
01:59<dpkg>dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
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02:25<Tropicalicecube>Hi Room. Warm and sunny. middle of the afternoon here; network not so bad today, getting Testing at 80kbps...
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02:53<TheKing>hey what is this trying to tell me ... as in .. how should i approach resolving it
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02:53<TheKing>Build-Depends dependency for netatalk cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package cdbs can satisfy version requirements
02:59<jm_>isn't it rather obvious?
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03:00<Slydder1>your version of cdbs seems to be a bit too old and it can't find a newer version.
03:00<Slydder1>morning all
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03:01<TheKing>well thats more or less my question
03:01<TheKing>what are the cdbs and how do they relate
03:01<TheKing>i set up the same setup last week and all went smoothly .... is it possible that its too old now ?
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03:02<jm_>apt-cache show cdbs
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03:03<jm_>it's a package
03:04<TheKing>ok im lookin at it
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03:07<TheKing>can you give me a nudge in the right direction
03:07<TheKing>all i usually use is freebsd :)
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03:09<TheKing>maybe ill put in some testing sources
03:09<jm_>check what it lists as source dependencies in debian/control
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03:10<TheKing>cant i just tell it to upgrade ?
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03:12<jm_>apparently not
03:12<TheKing>so frustrating
03:13<TheKing>Build-Depends dependency for debhelper cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package po4a can satisfy version requirements
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03:13<TheKing>Build-Depends dependency for po4a cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements
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03:15<jm_>you're using source packages for a newer release ...
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03:29<TheKing>finally got it !
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03:38<kubyz>good morning everybody from Spain :))
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04:10<Nabilou>Hello guys, I have this message on booting : "not starting internet superserver : no services enabled
04:10<Nabilou>Anyone can help?
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04:11<Nabilou>I have found many similar cases on the web, but no solution
04:12<ansgar>Nabilou: So what is the problem?
04:12<Nabilou>my real problem is that tftp-hpa do not want to start
04:13<Nabilou>it seems that tftpd-hpa depend on internet superserver
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04:13<jm_>it doesn't depend on it
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04:15<jm_>or do you mean tftpd-hpa?
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04:16<jm_>that one just recommends it since it can run standalone too
04:16<gsimmons>Nabilou: tftpd-hpa can either run via inetd or independently. For your information, inetd operation was dropped in tftpd-hpa post-Lenny.
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04:21<Nabilou>jm_, I mean tftpd-hpa
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04:22<jm_>Nabilou: see above
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05:40<squiddy>hi, i want to change the gnome logo on panel. how do i do that ?
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05:44<perk>is it possible to give explicit uid and gid when i nfs mount?
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05:45<perk>or is it always _inherited_ from the exported dir and mapped to my local uids and gids?
05:45<jmm>perk: you can do that.
05:45<perk>how? i have looked through nfs-howto and other stuff
05:46<perk>where stuff is docs and articles
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05:46<jmm>I think it's simple like giving uid as option, lemme check about it.
05:46<perk>of course i haven't tried it out... doh!
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05:48<perk>jmm, -o uid=1000 gives error: incorrect mount option.
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05:49<jmm>perk: it's weird, I just read about it in the man page.
05:49<perk>jmm, read what? :)
05:49<jmm>looks in man mount, for NFS mount options.
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05:49<perk>jmm, i have :)
05:50<jmm>they just say to use uid= umm.
05:50<jmm>I'd cut/paste but my man page is in french.
05:50<perk>isn't that for ntfs?
05:50<jmm>ew I'm sick !!
05:50<perk>the "Mount options for nfs and nfs4" paragraph is really short
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05:52<jmm>perk: did you tried option 'users' ?
05:52<jmm>'user' even.
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05:53<Yon>i am looking to find out some more infomation about proformance of mdadm VS cpu speed
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05:54<perk>jmm, i can't find that one...
05:55<jmm>I found this :
05:55<jmm>it's short, but give an idea.
05:55<perk>yeah, that won't help. that is just for enabling users to mount the export. not for setting permissions.
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05:58<joar>squiddy: look around in /usr/share/icons/gnome/22x22 or something, it depends on which theme you're currently running and so on
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06:03<bob_f>Hello. I had my default alternative for x-www-browser set to /usr/bin/iceweasel, though I run firefox from ~/bin/firefox, so I installed a new alternative for my local firefox and set it to be the default. Previously opening a link tried to use iceweasel (and obviously didn't work due to the other instance running), but now after updating the alternative it uses w3m instead.
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06:05<OdyX>Yon: my opinion is that mdadm has almost no impact on performance (particularily if you account the security it gives)
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06:05<Myon>bob_f: there's also www-browser, maybe that gets into the way?
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06:06<bob_f>Myon: Oh, hmm. Maybe w3m for www-browser has a higher priority than my firefox alternative ?
06:06<Myon>bob_f: priorities don't really matter, alternatives are static symlinks
06:06<bob_f>How do I list the priorities set for each alternative ?
06:06<Myon>if you don't run update-alternatives (or some package install does it), things don't change
06:06<jm_>yeah there's just one once it's set
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06:07<Myon>oh, and there's "sensible-browser", that's probably what's used when opening a link
06:07<Myon>that also looks at $BROWSER
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06:07<bob_f>Myon: Hmm. I'm just confused why it was using my x-www-browser alternative before (iceweasel) and then when I installed a new one it now uses www-browser.
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06:08<bob_f>Myon: Yes, I'd tried setting BROWSER to firefox too, but to no avail.
06:08<Myon>also, check your ~/.mailcap, depending on from where you open links
06:08<bob_f>IIRC sensible-browser looks at BROWSER first.
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06:08<bob_f>Well, in this case it's using the urxvt URL matcher script, which uses sensible-browser.
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06:09<bob_f>I want mutt to use w3m (for reading html messages) and everything else to use firefox. Aliasing mutt to "BROWSER=w3m mutt" solves the first part, but I'm stumped on the second part.
06:10<Myon>did you BROWSER variable get propageted to the urxvt's environment?
06:10<Myon>well, you did everything right, I guess
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06:11<bob_f>Seems like it.
06:11<bob_f>I'll poke it a little more.
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06:11<Myon>for mutt, ~/.mailcap should work
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06:11<jm_>sensible-browser should be trivial to debug
06:11<komodo>hi, i have little problem after latest kernel upgrade on testing, when want to login to my KDE session i fill password hit enter and after 3 seconds black screen i get login window again, but after second attempt login is ok and KDe starts, i thought that the problem is in nvidia drivers but o cheked with older driver and behaviour is the same. there is also another thing that i noticed, if i switch to console with ctrl+alt+f1 and stich back to X then
06:11<komodo>login is ok after first attempt, so it seems that problem is when x switch resolution for the firs time
06:11<bob_f>Ah, I had changed /etc/mailcap but it was being rewritten every time I installed anything. Didn't think to make a local one.
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06:11<bob_f>It's a fresh debian install, it's been a while since I've had to config this stuff. :)
06:12<bob_f>jm_: Yeah, it's definitely sensible-browser that's launching w3m, I'll figure out why it's ignoring BROWSER.
06:12<bob_f>Thanks for the help.
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06:13<jm_>bob_f: I see it starting x-www-browser if it's executable (for non gnome part)
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06:13<bob_f>jm_: True, but it also looks at BROWSER before it gets there.
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06:14<jm_>bob_f: what did you set BROWSER to?
06:15<bob_f>jm_: Just "firefox", and "which firefox" gives /home/bob/bin/firefox
06:15<bob_f>(And "firefox" works as expected).
06:16<bob_f>Oh, man. I didn't export BROWSER.
06:16<jm_>ahh ok
06:16<bob_f>Crisis averted. :) Thanks a lot for the help - you poked the right parts of my brain.
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06:40<papul>whats the stable version called?
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06:41<papul>whats the stable version called?
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06:59<wrksx>hi all
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07:00<wrksx>I modified user rights on /mnt
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07:01<wrksx>and I don't remember the original setup
07:01<wrksx>can someone tell me
07:03<wrksx>drwxrwxrwx 3 root root 4096 jan 22 20:31 mnt
07:04<edhunter>wrksx: drwxr-xr-x owner root group root
07:04<edhunter>at least thats what i have and i dont remember editing it
07:04<wrksx>ok thx a lot
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07:10<Slydder1> LOL
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07:19<SynrG>system booted with a DVD in the drive, gnome login ... now the DVD won't eject. i go to Computer, find that the disk has been detected, shows me its title, Eject from the menu results in a dialog box: "Unable to eject location" "Not authorized"
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07:19<Uitrix>Всем привет!
07:19<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
07:19<Uitrix>Ok, thx
07:19<SynrG>i hate how gnome meddles with my devices :p i don't want anything automatically done with them and have turned off automatic handling of media in every place i can think of. yet it still insists.
07:20<SynrG>the problem is, the system is multi-user, with some users on vnc, others on the console. removable media handling by the desktop makes no sense for the vnc users.
07:20<SynrG>anyone interested in helping solve this puzzle?
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07:21<SynrG>here's the process that looks most likely to be relevant:
07:21<SynrG>synrg 3159 0.0 0.0 2596 576 ? S 08:01 0:00 /usr/lib/devicekit-disks/devkit-disks-helper-fstab-mounter mount /dev/hda 1006
07:22<SynrG>fstab has:
07:22<SynrG>/dev/dvd /media/dvd auto ro,user,noauto 0 0
07:22<SynrG>/dev/dvd is a symlink to /dev/hda
07:22<SynrG>there are no other fstab references to hda, either directly or via symlink
07:23<SynrG>File Management Preferences -> Media -> "Never prompt or start programs on media insertion" is checked
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07:25<Uitrix>Have a problem with my Microsoft lifecam VX-1000. Have found at ubuntu forums this thing: sudo apt-get install subversion build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) && wget && tar xf tip.tar.bz2 && cd gspca-* && make && sudo make install && sudo depmod -ae $(uname -r); and it worked. Now can see /dev/video0, but l4v2 universal control panel could not make preview.. Skype shows just some
07:25<Uitrix>"dust". I'd be glad to hear some things, in what direstion should i search.. Because my current searches a useless, can't find nothing useful more.. =) (of cause, I use debian..)
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07:28<jm_>AFAIR the out-of-tree gspca drivers were V1 not V2
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07:31<jm_>wbut maybe this is for stuff that's now in the kernel
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07:42<Uitrix>via mplayer tv:// it works O_o
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07:42<Uitrix>hm. Should I install V2?
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07:45<jm_>if this is the same stuff that's currently in the kernel then it is V2
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07:47<Uitrix>then, what should I try to do? =\ even don't know directio to search
07:47<jm_>maybe try some other v4l apps to eliminate skype as a problematic app
07:49<Uitrix>hm.. The problem is that v4l2 ucp don't want to make prewview too
07:49<ohih0wru>hello. i have a sound problem. i've created a new user on a working debian lenny machine and i'm using gnome gui shell but now i don't have sound
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07:49<jm_>ohih0wru: did you put them in audio group?
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07:50<ohih0wru>jm_, no, good thought, i'll check
07:50<Uitrix>Hm.. I suppose, no.. Do u mean, that I must add mu user via I do that all to audio group?
07:51<jm_>hmm that sounds like a standard app, not really sure what to try next - I only toyed with old gspca once for 5 minutes and it was hard to find tools for with support
07:51<jm_>naah that was for the feller with new user and no sound
07:52<ohih0wru>hmm, another problem which i doubt you can help me to solve. now i don't remember my root password that i've set when installed debian. as i try to run users and groups it asks for one
07:52<ohih0wru>ah, probably my previous user has the password saved in the keyring brb
07:52<jm_>!i forgot root's password
07:52<dpkg>1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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07:57<ohih0wru>assigned new user to audio group, got the sound but still cannot access gnome's volume control.
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07:59<ohih0wru>jm_, thanks for the tip, got the sound, i think i'll discover the rest.
07:59<jm_>ohih0wru: what does it say if you run alsamixer in a terminal with this user?
08:00<ohih0wru>jm_, hmm, didn't know about that. it works in console mode, it does affect my volume, so it's just gnome's vc
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08:01<jm_>ohih0wru: did you logout and login after adding user to new group?
08:01<ohih0wru>restarted also
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08:02<ohih0wru>dbl click on volume control item -> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
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08:02<jm_>hmm not familiar with that sorry
08:03<muzy>hello i have a little question, i want to install debian from my usb stick (I used the tutorial in the wiki) but I ran into troubles. The netinstall does not recognize my netwirk interface,what to do now?
08:03<ohih0wru>anyway, thank you for helping
08:04<muzy>(the Interface is recognized in Ubuntu as "02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Attansic Technology Corp. Atheros AR8132 / L1c Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev c0)" )
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08:04<jm_>muzy: what's its PCI ID?
08:04<jm_>no worries
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08:04<jm_>lspci -nn will show it
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08:05<muzy>02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. Atheros AR8132 / L1c Gigabit Ethernet Adapter [1969:1062] (rev c0)
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08:06<jm_>let me see
08:07<gsimmons>muzy: You will need Linux 2.6.31 for use of your device (via atl1c). You can use the kmuto hd-media image (0116) ; /msg dpkg kmuto
08:07<jm_>that's the new attansic card, driver is available in 2.6.3x kernel
08:07<jm_>bleh ;)
08:07<gsimmons>jm_: Sorry. :)
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08:07<jm_>gsimmons: I need a SSD disk so cg will be faster :)
08:07<jm_>or some other tool to index kernel src tree
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08:08<koollman>kernel src tree fits in ram
08:08<koollman>so put it there :)
08:08<jm_>naah, I only have 1G and with uptimes in the range > 180D on desktop you can't miss that much
08:08<muzy>gsimmons, can i use the boot image in the same way as described in the debian wiki? (just zcat it to the device)
08:09<muzy>well thank you very much for your help :)
08:11<gsimmons>muzy: That should be fine. Which procedure are you following, out of interest?
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08:13<muzy>gsimmons, it is (the English Link should end with .en)
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08:35<smhar>I tried gnome-shell --replace but it is extremlly slow.. is something wrong? this is a squeeze
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08:40<smhar>oh and .. is there an easy way to install apache, mysql and phpmyadmin and configure them on a squeeze system to develop web sites locally
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08:49<xover>If I unlock a user account, does that password have to be reset?
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08:56<six>hello, is there a way to disable the popup of tooltips in gnome ? if there is one, please tell me
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09:01<six>tooltips in the titlebar : how can i disable those irritating and useless popups ?
09:04<six>i forgot meaningless, they also trigger refreshing of the main window, which annoys me more and more
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09:06<six>and make serious debugging almost impossible
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09:08<six>am i insulting a holy cow of debian or gnome ?
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09:12<six>mademoiselle, vouler vous coucher avec moi ce soir ? bin ich allein hier ?
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09:13<lord_rob>you look like you want a ban :)
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09:14<six>at least someone's reading my reflections
09:15<six>i'm feeling like kevin alone at home
09:15<lord_rob>you'd better try #debian on freenode, even if official debian channel is now here, the previous one is still more active
09:15<Gromitt>hm why is it not possible casting a float to int in C?
09:16<Gromitt>a negative int, I mean.
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09:16<koollman>Gromitt: first, what makes you think it's not possible. Second, what are you trying to do, and how ?
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09:17<six>lord_rob: cmon, 401 users should be enough
09:17<Gromitt>koollman: quick and dirty test:
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09:18<Gromitt>oh eh .. koollman ...wait... I missed s.T.
09:18<lord_rob>six: depends how responsive they are
09:18<koollman>Gromitt: I can see the error :)
09:18<Gromitt>koollman: where?
09:18<koollman>Gromitt: abuse of cut and paste.
09:18<koollman>try printing j for the second printf
09:19<koollman>rather than i
09:19<Gromitt>ok ...
09:19<Gromitt>another test...
09:19<six>could it be that 395 are virtual ?
09:19<Gromitt>F**k cut'n'paste
09:19<koollman>no problem. that's why it's important to avoid copying code ;)
09:20<Gromitt>koollman ... thnx ...
09:20<Gromitt>for brainwashing... :)
09:20<koollman>(also, it's exactly the kind of bug you can stare at for a long time, if you've written the code)
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09:22<Gromitt>koollman: in the original code was the int an unsigned int, which became negativ *sigh* and then the cast to float fails either....
09:22<Gromitt>.o0(was not my fault btw...) but anyway.. thnx. :)
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09:24<uitrix>M. I have a simple question.. Created a start button at the desktop, have written there LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/ skype for launch skype.. It doesn't works, because it couldn't find file or folder. but in terminal this command works. What did i do wrong here?
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09:26<themill>uitrix: the Exec parameter for a desktop shortcut generally isn't executed with sh (which is what you need). You could put 'sh -c "blah"' there instead, or make a script in ~/bin/ or /usr/local/bin/ and execute that from the .desktop file
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09:29<six>ubuntu has bugs, mint too, slackware too, suse sucks whitout bugs, gentoo takes too much time, debian comes close to gentoo, fedora not tried, what linux now ? or better go back to windows7 ?
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09:29<perk>six, are you trolling?
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09:30<six>i don't understand trolling
09:30<perk>six, because if you are i wouldn't Feed The Troll(TM) with "windows 7 also has bugs, but you probably don't know about them"
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09:32<six>perk: your cite is plain wrong. or is it citation ?
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09:32<perk>it's a non-cite by me, since i didn't say/type it because of above conditional
09:33<themill>six: do you have a specific Debian-support question we can help you with?
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09:34<six>themill: yes i do, how do i disable tooltips in the gnome titlebar ?
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09:34<chattr> /msg dpkg facts
09:35<themill>six: great. Now please wait patiently to see if someone knows the answer.
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09:35<six>besides that, i like wise guys or smartasses
09:36<winstonsmith>so.. .yeah.. I setup software raid and tried to use grub but grub is being a pain...
09:36<winstonsmith>I got the "/dev/md1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." error and then swapped /dev/md1 with /dev/sda1 in mtab and now I have "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." .. any ideas?
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09:38<jmm>winstonsmith: did you installed grub on sda1 and yourotherdisk1 or on /dev/md1 ?
09:38<winstonsmith>on md1
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09:39<winstonsmith>so it should be on both since it's a mirror
09:39<jmm>it's how I did.
09:39<jmm>note that /boot if separate partition is ok if not raid.
09:40<jmm>not that if /boot is a separate partition, you don't need it to be raid.
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09:40<winstonsmith>guess I could make it non-raid.. but.. thought I might as well make it a raid 1 since the other drive would just have wasted space...
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09:48<inkbottle>Hi, I'm bothered by Ocaml doesn't appear in info's top node. Editing /usr/share/info/dir is not a long lasting solution. Then what should be patched, and more important hints on how to do that
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09:55<nawak>hello.. looking for some help about touchpad issue and Sid.
09:56<nawak>does anyone have experience about that? will be much appreciated.
09:56<vvas>inkbottle, from what i can see it's already reported at #528887
09:57<inkbottle>yes it is
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09:58<winstonsmith>you know what.. I really hate grub... I never have problems with lilo...
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09:59<philipwnz>how can I mount an ext4 partition
09:59<philipwnz>I'm using lenny AMD64 on ext3 partition
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10:00<edhunter>philipwnz: not sure if lenny kernel has ext4 support. if yes just mount as you would mount ext3
10:00<inkbottle>vvas, i'm trying to do with what is written in the bug you said
10:00<nawak>vvas -> is that a bug report number about touchpad? Or I'm just taking a conversation on the fly?
10:01<philipwnz>the output is "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'". I'm using kernel
10:01<mase_>philipwnz but care the initramfs has the ext4 module (i think there was a seperate module) otherwise youll have big problems after some reboots
10:02<mase_>philipwnz wasn't it ext4_dev or something like that in lenny?
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10:03<vvas>inkbottle: you would need to patch and rebuild the ocaml-doc source package
10:03<vvas>nawak: err, no it's not
10:03<edhunter>mase_: shouldnt .31 kernel support ext4 out of the box? although i see too many dots in the version he posted..
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10:04<inkbottle>vvas, source you said :/
10:04<nawak>ok thx anyway
10:04<mase_>inkbottle oh, didn't saw that line ;)
10:04<philipwnz>mase_, I'm not quite sure, you see, I'm no expert with debian or linux file sistems. I just want to mount an ext4 partition only to copy some files from it and then umount it and never use it again.
10:04<mase_>ah, ok
10:04<vvas>philipwnz: can you try a "modprobe ext4"?
10:05<winstonsmith>do a apt-get install e2fsprogs
10:05<philipwnz>vvas, FATAL: Module ext4 not found.
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10:05<philipwnz>vinstonsmith, I already have that package
10:06<vvas>philipwnz, have you compiled the kernel yourself?
10:06<mase_>well, i have a ext4 module in kernel xxx.30
10:06<philipwnz>vvas, yes, I did, have I missed ext4 option?
10:06<vvas>yes, you did
10:06<winstonsmith>recompile :)
10:07<philipwnz>thank you, I'll try that
10:07<vvas>"in order to mount a filesystem, you need to have support for that filesystem in the kernel" -> you'd think this would be obvious to someone compiling their own kernel...
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10:08<vvas>inkbottle: apt-get source, modify source, dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg -i and you're done
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10:10<philipwnz>vvas, I was compiling it using tutorial, you are wrong to judge me. Also, now, thanks to you I know that I should enable the file systems of my choice next time i got to compile a kernel myself
10:10<inkbottle>vvas, pretty (and useful)
10:12<winstonsmith>argggg ... I really hate grub...
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10:12<mase_>winstonsmith whats your prob?
10:13<winstonsmith>first.. it wouldnt work with my raid 1 boot partition.. so I made it non-raid.. then it would actually install grub.. but now I have a kernel panic... I'm betting it doesnt like the /dev/md2 that root points to
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10:14<mase_>winstonsmith but that shouldn't be caused by grub...
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10:15<mase_>winstonsmith seems md-stuff is missing in initrd
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10:15<mase_>winstonsmith what hav you used? dmraid?
10:15<winstonsmith>grub is always a pain though.. most distros I've played with.. when I use lilo.. it always works... when I use grub.. rarely does it work the first time..
10:16<mase_>winstonsmith hmm, but if you get a kernel panic youwhat hav you used? dmraid?
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10:16<winstonsmith>I'm new to the softwae raid stuff... umm.. I used mdadm... I guess that's mdraid?
10:16<mase_>winstonsmith hmm, but if you get a kernel panic you're already out of the boot loader
10:16<inkbottle>vvas, I don't touch the 'orig.tar.gz' part; then I go inside the tree and modify what i want; remove the 'diff.gz' part; and regenerate the diff.gz part using something?
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10:17<mase_>winstonsmith so be shoure the kernel modules needed for that are in the initram
10:17<mase_>winstonsmith i guess "md"
10:17<mase_>winstonsmith but i don
10:17<mase_>argh!, sorry
10:18<mase_>... exactly the name of the modules name
10:18<vvas>inkbottle: ugh, packages that are structured this way are a bit more complicated to deal with
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10:18<inkbottle>it is not the usual way?
10:18<winstonsmith>I compiled the kernel with raid support...
10:18<vvas>however i don't see that in the ocaml-doc sources
10:19<vvas>ah ok, i see
10:19<mase_>winstonsmith statically, no modules?
10:19<vvas>inkbottle, didn't apt-get source unpack the sources for you?
10:19<winstonsmith>had the little star in menuconfig
10:20<vvas>you should have a directory there, it's in there that you make modifications
10:20<mase_>winstonsmith oh, but the mdadm-config and binaries have to be in the initrd too
10:20<vvas>inkbottle, best to consult a howto on building debian packages from source
10:20<vvas>anyone got a link handy?
10:20<vvas>!tell inkbottle about source
10:20<inkbottle>vvas, yes: a tree an orig.gz part and a diff.gz part. I'm in there: debian cheat sheet
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10:21<winstonsmith>shouldnt need a initrd... slack doesnt need it...
10:22<mase_>winstonsmith hmm, i don't know, but how should the kernel know how the "software"-raid is configured?
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10:27<[fFf]>hi to all
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10:28<[fFf]>how do I install a live debian lenny on HD?
10:28<mase_>fFf why?
10:28<[fFf]>I've customized extracting the squashfs and recompressing it after
10:28<fred1>if you want it installed on your hard drive, why not just use a normal lenny cd/dvd ?
10:28<fred1>er... what?
10:29<[fFf]>I've added software to the live image
10:29<[fFf]>and some settings too
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10:29<[fFf]>and now I don't know hot to install it on the hard drive
10:29<fred1>you might get more help if you /join #debian-live
10:29<[fFf]>ok, thanks
10:29<fred1>seems like it would be simpler just to install regular debian, and then apply the same customizations
10:30<[fFf]>yes but in this case I lose the ability to run it as live
10:30<fred1>as long as you still have the disc, it can still be booted
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10:31<mase_>and hello everbody again!
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10:31<fred1>ok who forgot to call miss dig?
10:32<mase_>who is miss dig?
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10:32<[fFf]>fred1: so is not possible to use a custom live cd and then install it on the hd?
10:32<mase_>fFf why install an "live"-system instead of using a rregular installation?
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10:33<fred1>you cant move back and forth, if thats what you are after
10:33<[fFf]>because the user can give a try, and if he likes it can be installed
10:33<fred1>if you like debian, just install debian
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10:34<mase_>fFf but if he just want's to try, why do you want to "install" the live-system in the first place?
10:34<mase_>fFf instead of just using the livew system...
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10:35<[fFf]>because if the user feels confortable with my customized debian can install it, as used live
10:35<[fFf]>else shutdown the computer and trash the cd
10:36<fred1>'live' discs are primarily for people to try out linux instead of commiting to replacing (or re-arranging) some other OS. once you try it, and like it, then generally the way to go is to use a normal install disc to install the OS from
10:36<winstonsmith>ok.. that's screwy.. umm.. so I boot back to the install cd to see if I can copy a file to the boot partition... but cant seem to mount /dev/md2 ... I dont want to do a mdadm --create because that would wipe it out right? ... --detail and --examine acts like nothing is there... so how do I mount a previously created raid?
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10:36<mase_>fFf but you can create your own "customized" live CD
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10:37<fred1>any customizations one makes to a livecd can pretty much be duplicated in a normal installed-to-HD system
10:37<[fFf]>but in this case i do the work 2 times
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10:39<Marinita>kienes Soii
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10:40<craigevil>[fFf]: take a look at , lets you make a livecd of your current system then reinstall it
10:40<[fFf]>I know remastersys
10:40<[fFf]>but works better with Ubuntu than with Debian
10:40<fred1>would never work for me.. my system wouldnt fit on even a DVD9
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10:43<mase_>the live systems are compressed very well
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10:44<[fFf]>I've tried also reconstructor but works very bad with debian and kde
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10:50<rufoso>ciao a tutti
10:52<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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10:55<Nabilou>Is it possible to create a crypted partition during the installation of lenny?
10:56<mase_>Nabilou don't think so. but the cryption of the system partitions is quite senseless
10:57<winstonsmith>I would assume it's possible.. be a pain getting everything setup to make it from the install cd though.. was a pain for me to get something simple like nilfs2 from the install cd..
10:57<gdb>Nabilou: Yes, you can. It's documented in the installation manual here:
10:57<inkbottle>Then i believe dpkg-source -x sth.dsc, take an orig.gz plus a diff.gz, and generate a source tree (applying the diff to the orig); have i got it right?
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10:58<Nabilou>than you guys : )
10:59<peej_>I'm running a 32bit kernel (2.6.26-2-686-bigmem). Should I run vmware 32 bit version? Should I install a 64bit kernel?
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10:59<gdb>There's nothing senseless about encrypting your system disk.
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11:00<gdb>Obviously you can't encrypt /boot, but who cares? Encrypting the rest of your OS is actually a pretty good idea if you're going to encrypt anything at all.
11:00<peej_>I encrypted my entire system during the lenny install, but it took forever.
11:00<gdb>There's a lot of information to be gleaned about your organization by combing through files in /etc and /var.
11:00<mase_>thats what i meant; just a big waste of CPU
11:01<perk>i encrypted my home and setup libpam-mount so its avtomagically mounted when i login
11:01<perk>mase_, it's, like almost everything else, a trade off. here, between security and cpu cycles.
11:02<simox>i would like to install Debian on my AMD 64bit , it has an ATI Radeon X1200 integrated graphicard. When i try from liveCD starts only the installation boot , and when i click on any install mode X don't start and even keyboard works no longer.. could someone suggest me another kind of installation?
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11:02<peej_>once the setting up is done though it seems to be happy (I don't feel it is slow).
11:03<peej_>simox, netinstall?
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11:03<mase_>but once you get "hacked" its mounted (unencrypted) anyway...
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11:04<simox>i have tried it but i think it doesn't work either
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11:17<peej_>mase_, yes. The useful case scenario is having the machine confiscated or stolen.
11:18<mase_>peej_ exactly, so why should i waste my computer to encrypt directories like "usr"
11:18<mase_>peej_ (home is not a system directory for me)
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11:18<dpkg>hello, dominique
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11:19<dominique>hi, i've installed debian for the first time on my acer aspire 5634WLMi. My function keys don't work. How do I go about it?
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11:20<peej_>mase_, 'cos you don't want people to know you run /usr/bin/steghide, /usr/bin/bttrack etc?
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11:21<peej_>s/people/the confiscator or thief/
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11:22<mase_>peej_ ok, if so youre right...
11:23<peej_>It's a lot easier to encrypt *everything* than to have a list of exceptions.
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11:23<peej_>It's analogous to backups. Easier to back up the whole system than to have a list of exceptions.
11:23<mase_>peej_ oh please... thats unprofessional...
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11:24<peej_>I said "easier" not "more efficient"
11:24<dominique>hi, i've installed debian for the first time on my acer aspire 5634WLMi. My function keys don't work. How do I go about it?
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11:25<winstonsmith>who calls it steghide? I'd rename it... and put it in a non-standard location...
11:25<alejandro>i'm a new user debian
11:26<mase_>guys, what do you have to hide???
11:26<winstonsmith>same here.. I'm a diehard slack fan... but I'm starting to like apt-get
11:26<peej_>winstonsmith, and that's another thing to add to the list of exceptions...
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11:27<peej_>mase_, do you trust your data in the hands of others?
11:27<peej_>if so, please give me your credit card details.
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11:28<winstonsmith>you leave your cc# on your hdd?
11:28<mase_>peej_ crypted backups to other servers...of course...
11:28<mase_>winstonsmith whats cc#?
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11:29<winstonsmith>the only thing on my hdd that I wouldnt want others to look at is pr0n...
11:29<mase_>winstonsmith i think the others have enough of it... :D
11:30<winstonsmith>which is why it's ok to leave it unencrypted
11:32<peej_>I'm sure the border security guards have a fine collection of donkey midget porn by now thanks people like you ;-)
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11:42<gutterpunk>Hi. I have the weirdest problem connecting to hosts on the network. It takes a long time to connect using ssh. I know about the reverse dns lookup problem, but all hosts on this network are automatically assigned reverse dns records so that's not the issue. Are there other explanations for this?
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11:43<petemc>gutterpunk: run ssh in debug mode and you'll see exactly what its doing
11:43<bja>gutterpunk: have you looked into /var/log/auth.log ?
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11:47<gutterpunk>I get this: debug1: Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information Credentials cache file '/tmp/krb5cc_1000' not found
11:48<gutterpunk>after that it tries key auth and then password auth. Then I get the change to input the password and i'm logged on
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11:49<gutterpunk>GSSAPIAuthentication=no disables this apparently and it works as it should
11:49<gutterpunk>thanks a bunch for the debug tip
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11:53<fred1>anyone know anything about k3b and/or dvd burners in general
11:54<fred1>I recently bought a new burner, (Liteon iHap 422 9 ), and pretty much nothing will burn to any kind of dvd in it, under debian
11:55<fred1>just to make sure the burner was ok, i stuck it in a box running that 'other' OS, and it was able to burn dvds ok
11:55<dr|z3d>fred1: Try Gnone Baker or whatever's it's called.. I've had joy with that app when all others fail.
11:55<fred1>if I run k3b and put a dvd in, it seems to regurgitate over and over
11:55<fred1>not even wodim or dvdrecord liked it
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11:56<fred1>wodim dies with an error about 'cant load media'
11:56<fred1>even though theres already media there
11:56<fred1>dvdrecord seems to think its going to work, but then it give a write error
11:56<dr|z3d>Perhaps your burner doesn't like the media?
11:56<dr|z3d>In any event, try Gnome Baker.
11:56<fred1>"just to make sure the burner was ok, i stuck it in a box running that 'other' OS, and it was able to burn dvds ok"
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11:56<fred1>GB is just a front end
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11:57*dr|z3d shrugs.
11:57<kop>fred1: I've had strange problems like that with a cd burner. I took it back.
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11:57<sney`>is it a replacement for another dvd burner that had similar issues?
11:57<fred1>Well. A relative has a need for a burner for a 'other' OS enviromnent. if I cant get it to work with my linux system I'll let them have it.. it works ok in win
11:58<kop>fred1: Never was able to figure it out. I figured it was just some non-standard something that the proprietary windows driver worked-around.
11:58<fred1>no, it is a replacement for a burner that doesnt seem to like 16x media (but which is ok with 8x media)
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11:59<fred1>there were no windows 'drivers' for it, at least not that I needed to install.. it just came up, and worked with generic burning software
11:59<sney`>does it get recognized as a burner in dmesg? any weird messages?
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11:59<fred1>one sec
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11:59<kop>fred1: In the past "cable select" has caused a problem.... YMMV.
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12:00<kop>fred1: (But it does not feel like that sort of problem.)
12:00<fred1>kop, no, its set to 'master' and its on a USB<->IDE adapater
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12:00<fred1>I know the USBIDE is good, it has worked fine with many other drives, both optical and HD
12:00<sney`>does it get recognized as a burner in dmesg? any weird messages?
12:00<fred1>yes, it does get seen as a burner
12:01<fred1>one thing I did see
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12:01<fred1>is that when k3b was playing with it, it said something about "invalid speed 0"
12:01<fred1>hang on, i can get the exact output
12:01<geckos>How can I set DNS
12:01<dominique>Hi! I just installed debian on my acer aspire 5630 laptop. My function keys are not working. How do i fix it?
12:02<geckos>I wrote in /etc/resolv,conf but I need to do it at every boot
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12:02<themill>geckos: dhcp?
12:02<kop>geckos: You must be using dhcp and resolvconf. See "man interfaces".
12:02<geckos>themill, yes I use
12:03<geckos>kop, ty
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12:03<themill>geckos: you should either correctly configure your dhcp server or, if that's not possible, configure your dhcp client or resolvconf correctly. /msg dpkg override dns
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12:04<kop>dominique: It's a keymap thing, I think. But I don't know the answer.
12:04<fred1>ok here's dmesg when I plug the USB in.. nothing troubling so far:
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12:04<geckos>themill, yeah set dhcp server is impossible, I'll try my client
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12:05<fred1>and here's k3b's output (it cycles this over and over, and the drive seems to be resetting itself..) :
12:06<fred1>and yes, a stream of errors there
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12:06<fred1>hang on i'll gab wodim's output trying to write
12:07<kop>fred1: What version of debian? (You could try a newer kernel, either from or with make-kpkg.)
12:07<fred1>oh wait.. wodim wasnt even finding it and was giving the 'no media' error (correctly) for the laptop drive
12:07<fred1>lemme force wodim to look at the ext
12:07<fred1>Linux lapdeb 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
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12:09<fred1>hrm.. it looks wodim at least thinks its gonna work... know in a minute
12:10<fred1>well hot damn.. i have to force it which device (before it seemed to pick any available device), but it does seem to have worked
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12:10<kop>fred1: This may be relevant (and worthless):
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12:11<dominique>Hi! I just installed debian on my acer aspire 5630 laptop. My function keys are not working. How do i fix it?
12:11<fred1>kop, heh.. relevant and worthless, my favorite combination
12:12<fred1>dominique, are you referring to F1 thru F12?
12:12<dominique>fred1 yes.
12:12<fred1>or the 'specical' keys like volume ' internet'.. oh
12:12<fred1>have you used debian before on something else, and the function keys worked?
12:13<dominique>fred1 actually, i can switch to terminals 2,3,5 and 6, and can't get back to 7
12:13<dominique>yes fred1, i installed it on several desktops
12:13<fred1>ok, so the function keys do work.. switching to virtual terminals isnt working as you expect it to be
12:14<kop>dominique: 7 should be X. What do you mean "can't get back"? Maybe you don't have X running?
12:14<fred1>go to console 1
12:14<fred1>then hit alt - left-arrow
12:14<dominique>kop, it means that my F7 doesn't work.
12:15<fred1>login on one of the text consoles
12:15<kop>fred1: It may mean that there's something wrong with the way the drive interprets commands, maybe.
12:15<fred1>then hit each function key (without <alt>)
12:15<fred1>you should get either letters or a ~ or some other strange character for each one
12:16<kop>dominique: Humm... Sounds like my f9 key. I press it and press it and I never get a donut coming out of the cd tray. :-?
12:16<fred1>if when you hit F7, you get a character, then the F7 key is in fact working
12:16<dominique>err... actually, sry guys, the keys do work but i'm having to press them very hard... kpo, fred1
12:16<fred1>sounds like a hardware problem then
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12:16<fred1>soda in the kb?
12:16<TCW>tabaco here :)
12:17<dominique>guess so fred1, i guess the topic is out of scope of this room...
12:17<dominique>fred1 maybe. too old lappy
12:17<fred1>and this irc channel, too
12:17<jmm>umm if I want my own $PS1 in console, /etc/bash.bashrc is not the good place to put it ?
12:17<jmm>where should I set it so ?
12:18<fred1>jmm, just for your account, or for all users?
12:18<jmm>all users.
12:18<fred1>/etc/bashrc might be appropriate
12:18<jmm>I'd have used ~/.bashrc if it was just for me :)
12:18<fred1>or /etc/bash_login
12:18<fred1>or /etc/profile
12:18<fred1>ive never heard of /etc/bash.bashrc meaning anything
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12:18<jmm>I did in /etc/profile, but it doesn't works .
12:19<jmm>I have to source the file manually.
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12:19<fred1>did you try /etc/bashrc?
12:19<jmm> /etc/bash.bashrc seems to come debian's bash...
12:19<jmm>I don't have it, but let's create it.
12:19<fred1>oh duh
12:19<fred1>nvm.. you're right
12:20<fred1>did you make /etc/profile +x ?
12:20<fred1>not sure thats needed, but it might be
12:20<jmm>I did not. let's try it.
12:20<fred1>if all else fails, 'man bash'.. and look for 'INVOCATION'
12:20<fred1>and read the paragraphs there
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12:20<jmm>I won't do that coz I got a brain.
12:21<jmm>I'm not looking for that.
12:21<jmm>I'm looking for the debian way to set $PS1.
12:21<fred1>the bash man page in debian will have the paths explaining which startup files that bash (the debian one, eg the one you have) will read for startup
12:22<fred1>this isnt a debian setting, its a bash setting
12:22<jmm>no it's a debian setting.
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12:22<jmm>I know bash, and how to set it up.
12:22<fred1>its a _shell_ setting
12:22<user>hi, how i get my onboard intel wireless to work on lenny?
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12:22<fred1>if you want to set it for bash specifically, then use the bash-specific files..
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12:22<fred1>if you want to set it for all sh-like shells, then perhaps /etc/profile
12:22<jmm>common fred stop giving bad directions.
12:23<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN chipsets, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet chipsets, ask me about <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. See also <speedstep>.
12:23<Guest19>how can i figure out what chip set i have?
12:23<fred1>try lspci
12:24<ml|>Guest19: /msg dpkg what's my wireless
12:24<jmm> /etc/profile but not for all hosts.
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12:24<jmm>I mean
12:24<jmm> /etc/profile works but not for all hosts.
12:24<fred1>'all hosts' ?!
12:24<fred1>it will only apply to the 'host' that you set it on
12:24<jmm>so if I apply on my 22 hosts,
12:25<jmm>some of them does't seems to source /etc/profile.
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12:25<themill>jmm: if you're editing things to your own taste for your own user, you probably want to do it in user config files rather than system-wide ones though.
12:25<fred1>22 hosts.. you mean 22 different installations of debian on 22 different pcs ?!
12:25<jmm>themill: it's for people here stop rebooting remote computer.
12:25<jmm>themill: because they think they are local.
12:26<jmm>fred1: yes.
12:26<fred1>normally the default prompt includes the hostname of the machine
12:26<fnmueller>jmm: well, configure the box not to permit rebooting by any user?!
12:26<jmm>fred1: you will laugh.
12:26<fred1>lemme guess, they all say 'debian'
12:26<jmm>fred1: they are all named linux1.
12:26<Guest19>fred1: ml|, thanks
12:26<fred1>i think you are trying to solve the wrong problem
12:26<jmm>fnmueller: those users are others admins, they got all passwords.
12:26<fred1>and I think you have people who are not qualified to have the title 'admin'
12:27<fnmueller>jmm: ok, well... I am tempted to say that someone w/ root should know better then they seem to...
12:27<jmm>I gotta agree.
12:27<ml|>yeah seems like an accident waiting to happen ;)
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12:27<jmm>that why I'm a bit nervous lol.
12:27<fred1>if you are the head admin, make policy to set the hostname unique for each machine
12:28<fred1>if you arent the head admin, refer the problem to the head admin
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12:28<jmm>the head of the admin, that is what I need.
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12:28<themill>jmm: I'd look in other files like /etc/bash.bashrc or the user ~/.bash{rc,_profile} to see if PS1 is being clobbered on that particular machine.
12:28<kop>jmm: If it's a "debian thing" it's supposed to be described in /usr/share/doc/packagename/README.Debian*
12:29<fred1>using su, or sudo?
12:29<fred1>if su, then roots shell startup files will override anyway
12:29<jmm>themill: I think that bash.bashrc is the good file, but no luck until now*.
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12:30<fred1>oh.. I started to say.. the dvd I just burned in this new drive.. wil only mount if I specificy -t iso9660, and only in the *other* dvd drive
12:30<fred1>it wont mount in the drive that wrote it
12:30<koollman>jmm: have a look at molly-guard
12:30<jmm>koollman: I'll do it.
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12:30<jmm>thanks for your advices guys, I'll go back to home now.
12:30<koollman>I think it's close enough to what you want. (well, no, what you want is a change of password and removal of privileges ;) )
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12:31<ml|>heh :)
12:31<koollman>but molly-guard was created to avoid rebooting remote boxes
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12:32<kop>koollman: Molly must have been a piece of work. (But, if all the hosts have the same name then you'd have to wack up a script that asks for an IP or something to distinguish them.)
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12:32<syscom>hi miha
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12:33<fred1>that was weird
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12:39<geckos>what can I do to reject a DNS offer of dhcp server
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12:40<retrospectacus>you mean use your own dns settings?
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12:40<geckos>retrospectacus, yes
12:40<retrospectacus>you want resolvconf
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12:40<fred1>it will be overwritten by dhcpcd
12:40<geckos>I got line 'prepend domain-name-servers' at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
12:40<fred1>you want to tell dhcpcd to ignore it.. one sec, I will pastebin
12:40<dpkg>from memory, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>.
12:41<fred1>you want 'supersede'
12:41<fred1>well that might work too
12:42<geckos>supersede domain-name-servers MYFAVORITEDNS ?
12:42<fred1>that would probably work
12:42<geckos>ok ty
12:42<fred1>I use this to ignore a gateway on non-internet network:
12:42<fred1>but still get IP from dhcp
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12:44<user_>hi, how do i get freenet to work on debian lenny? (googling and asking dpkg diddnt really help, maybe im just clueless ;))
12:44<geckos>well, I want the gw.. I just don't want the slow DNS of my ISP
12:44<themill>!override dns
12:44<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers.
12:45<themill>geckos: ^^
12:45<fred1>geckos, i know, i was giving that as an example
12:45<geckos>fred1, I see ty
12:45<geckos>themill, ty (:
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12:45<themill>(I'm sure I said that 40min ago...)
12:46<geckos>ty a lot guys
12:46<geckos>this is exactly what I looking for
12:46<fred1>on my burner saga, i am now burning a different iso, just in case there was a problem with that iso.. i'll see if there is any difference once that finishes
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12:47<geckos>themill, sorry.. I was reading manuals
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12:48<geckos>themill, It's a standard procedure :)
12:49<themill>yes, reading is definitely to be encouraged. All too rare on IRC.
12:49<user_>dpkg: freenet?
12:49<dpkg>methinks freenet is a completely decentralized, totally secure peer-to-peer network with anonymity. client written in java. days of free speech are here! see
12:49<user_>anyone got it running on debian lenny?
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12:52<fred1>ok.. that works much better.. it can actually mount media it wrote
12:52<fred1>but I guess k3b is borked
12:53<fred1>damn.. even with an already wrote disc in the drive k3b craps
12:53<fred1>well.. i can live with that.. k3b has been flaky lately anyway
12:53<fred1>if wodim works, I can live with that
12:54<mixter_>hi! i've expanded the raid-array in a server, and if i look at /proc/partitions, the kernel sees all the new space. but if i run fdisk och parted, the disk is still the old, smaller, size. any ideas about why fdisk and parted reports a different disk size than /proc/partitons? (i haven't rebooted since the expansion and would rather not do that if not absolutely necessary)
12:54<kop>mixter_: man resize2fs
12:54<kop>mixter_: (or that might be it anyway.)
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12:56<fred1>as long as any partition on that device is mounted it cant reread the part table
12:56<fred1>to get the new size
12:56<mixter_>kop: i haven't expanded the partition yet (since fdisk/parted still thinks the disk i full) so the filsystem will be a later problem ;-)
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12:57<fred1>if you can unmount all mounts from that device, then you can do it without rebooting.. if not (eg if system partitions are there), then you'll need to reboot, i think
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12:57<mixter_>fred1: ok... but isn't there any way to online resize a disk then if it's got the root partion on the disk?
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12:57<mixter_>fred1: you answered my question before i asked... :-) thanks!
12:57<fred1>im pretty certain it cant reread the partition table as long as anything is mounted from that
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12:59<fred1>kop, that message about k3b you found is from 2007.. I would hope that got fixed in the current k3b.. but that might be newer than the one in lenny.. i see a newer one in experimental..
13:00<fred1>i wonder what sort of mess I'd make if I added the experimental repo just to add the new k3b package, then disabled it
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13:02<ml|>fred1: if you have 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf you should be ok, but remember it is experimental ;)
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13:03<fred1>er.. testing = experimental ?
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13:03<ml|>that is if you are using testing
13:03<fred1>I am currently on lenny.. I want to install a single package from experimental
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13:03<ml|>oh, nvm don't do it
13:03<fred1>ugh.. k3b 1.0.5 is old
13:04<bruno>I'm having trouble to install debian lenny
13:04<fred1>would really like a newer k3b, in debian package
13:04<ml|>fred1: checked backports?
13:04<bruno>Anyone can help me?
13:04<fred1>yeah, nada
13:04<adb>fred1, what's wrong with k3b 1.0.5 ?
13:04<fred1>bruno, what specific problem are you having
13:04<fred1>you've apparently been afk for the past hour or so ;)
13:05<fred1>it apparently has some sort of bug thats specifically tickled by a new burner I have
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13:05<bruno>the debian do not have drivers for my cards. One is wireless and another is ethernet
13:05<bruno>02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. RTL8139D [Realtek] PCI 10/100BaseTX ethernet adaptor (rev 01)
13:05<bruno>02:02.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
13:05<jugger90>I compile ircd-hybrid source pakage on sid. but configure has abort
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13:05<fred1>bruno, realtek is common enough, it should be supported
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13:06<jugger90>say - config.status: error: cannot find input file: lib/
13:06<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
13:06<bruno>It is not the real realtech. it is a fake chinese
13:06<fred1>bruno, I see..
13:07<bruno>both work fine on ubuntu
13:07<fred1>well, assiming it is otherwise equivalent to a realtek, perhaps you can fudge the pci-id's so that lenny recognizes it as such
13:07<retrospectacus>jugger90: apt-get install ircd-hybrid
13:07<jugger90>binary package is working fine
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13:07<ml|>bruno: /msg dpkg rt61
13:07<bja>fred1: Have you tried a front end for wodim?
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13:08<fred1>bja, well, its not so much the burning, in fact I could make k3b use wodim.. its something to do with its recognizing the status of the drive
13:08<jugger90>i have patch so i neet to compile
13:08<bruno>ml what do you mean? I'm newbie
13:09<adb>!tell bruno -about rt61
13:09<fred1>bja, for the time being, im happy with using wodim.. but if its possible to get a newer k3b without too much hassle, i'd like to give it a try
13:09<ml|>bruno: where you typed that ^ type /msg dpkg rt61 and look for a new window or tab with the name dpkg
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13:10<jugger90>if source package is uncompileable where binary package come from?
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13:11<bruno>do not work... i'm using irssi
13:11<bja>fred1: you can allways download the greatest latest version directly from their website, "if you can compile it on lenny", it should work fine. Sometimes it is better to do that or download the bin package from testing and doing a "dpkg -i" to avoid mixing releases
13:12<ml|>bruno: look for dpkg on the bottom
13:12<fred1>bja, yeah, i know.. that sorta falls into 'too much hassle' ;)
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13:14<fred1>jugger90, im suer the source package is fine.. you just do not have the ability to compile it.
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13:14<retrospectacus>jugger90, you need to run something like "autoconf" or something first ... check the docs
13:14<fred1>you probably shouldnt be using sid unless you know what you are doing
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13:31<fred1>where the heck does greasemonkey store userscripts that I install?
13:32<fred1>i'm trying to identify a specific one I have installed, I want to install the exact same on one another machine, i dont remember which if dozens of similarly named ones it is
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13:32<fred1>i know thats only orthogonally related to debian
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13:42<sdk>Where is the 'StartupWMClass' key set in the .desktop file for any given application?
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13:43<sdk>Err, methinks I misstated myself... let me rephrase that. The key StartupWMClass that is used in a .desktop file, where is that value pulled initially, when creating the .desktop?
13:45<sdk>And are the .desktop(s) redundant to a .Xresources file?
13:45<sdk>Or is this not the venue for such questions?
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13:49<sdk>On another topic, I'm building a virtual server, or rather, it is built, and I need to figure out how to get VirtualBox to run automagically on startup and tangentially to run when there is no one logged into the system. Can anyone offer any pointers or "read this" suggestions?
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13:50<fred1>actually, yes.. there is a way to do that...
13:51<fred1>i had it setup on one machine, but that machines been formatted.. let me see if I can find it
13:51<sdk>fred1: Sweet! Thanks man!
13:52<fred1>dont remember if this is the one I used, but try here:
13:52<fred1>(the page is a bit slow to load)
13:53<fred1>/nick google
13:53<fred1>you can google for others 'vbox autostart'
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13:54<sdk>fred1: beauty, thanks again man. Much appreciated.
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13:58<VelvetElvis>Hello. yesterday I rebooted my sid box to find that my monitor goes into sleep mode upon X startup. It was the first reboot in a week or so. Goting to CTL-ALT-F1 through CTL-ALT-F6 wake it up and give me a VT but CTL-ALT-F7 puts it to sleep. Running startx from a VT tells me X is already running.
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14:00<VelvetElvis>my most recent x log is at
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14:01<fred1>tried /etc/init.d/gdm restart ?
14:01<VelvetElvis>yes, and switching btween kdm and gdm
14:01<fred1>try reconfigure X
14:01<fred1>lower resolution perhaps
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14:02<fred1>or it could just be that X in sid is broken.. it happens
14:03<VelvetElvis>it's an intel chipset now using KDM. I'm not sure what the new configuration options are
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14:04<VelvetElvis>I'd like to at least narrow it down so I can file a bug report as I've not seen a similar one
14:04<fred1>well, since lenny Xorg is completely autodetecting.. but you can always do a normal Xorg.conf
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14:05<vvas>KMS (or its interaction with something else) is probably to blame
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14:05<VelvetElvis>yeah, that's what I meant
14:05<vvas>let's have a quick look at your log
14:05<sdk>Velvet: did yoiu check any of your logds?
14:06<VelvetElvis>yeah, there was nothing that jumped out at me as wrong but I have trouble enough deciphering X logs
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14:07<vvas>ok, let's see
14:08<vvas>has there been any change in your console appearance? different resolution etc?
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14:08<vvas>i see you were probably not using a framebuffer console before, is that true? (or perhaps you just removed it now)
14:09<VelvetElvis>I tried changing the console font using console-setup once X quit working and I was stuck in a console for a while
14:10<VelvetElvis>it wouldn't go into any of the framebuffer resolutions though so I put it back to Terminus bold. I don't remember doing anything deliberately to disable the frambuffer
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14:12<vvas>none of this really answers my questions
14:12<vvas>help me to help you
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14:15<VelvetElvis>no, I don't think I was using a framebuffer console before. I attempted to change the resolution but failed.
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14:18<sdk>Is there a Debian Way(tm) to replace /etc/sysconfig?
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14:19<meowcats>anyone know how to disable the "scroll" effect in the xfce 4.6 app menu?
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14:22<VelvetElvis>vvas: is there any more information I can give you that might be helpful?
14:23<vvas>well, you could try disabling KMS and seeing what happens
14:23<alfatau>hello all. I just passed from woody to lenny and now i noticed it's deprecated the use of /etc/modules and modprobe for setting which modules to load at boot time. Which is the "best-practise" to add modules to load at boot? thank you in advance for attention.
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14:24<vvas>by commenting out the line in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf and rebuilding your initrd, and rebooting
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14:25<vvas>alfatau: /etc/modules being deprecated is news to me
14:25<VelvetElvis>OK, I'd already tried disabling power management in i915-kms.conf. I guess that's the next best logical thing try
14:25<vvas>VelvetElvis: if that fixes things for you, file a bug for xserver-xorg-video-intel (or check if there's one already)
14:26<VelvetElvis>vvas: there's nothing like this there already.
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14:29<meowcats>anyone know how to disable the "scroll" effect in the xfce 4.6 app menu?
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14:34<fred1>there.. *that* wont happen again
14:34<fred1>acidentally launching mplayer while su'd.. result: no DISPLAY set, so cant open vo, tries to open svga, which hoses my entire display
14:35<fred1>just forced vo=xv in mplayer.conf
14:35<fred1>so if it cant get it, it gives up
14:35<fred1>ok i gotta be off
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14:48<Schildfront>I problem with booting the kernel "2.6.26-2-amd64" after I have installed a whole new debian lenny on my server. Thats was what I did: "I personally think that the Kernel wont support my Hardware: Now my question is how to patch it or how to get it working?
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14:49<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
14:49<debian___>ugh the headache i have right now
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14:54<peej_>I'm running a 32bit kernel (2.6.26-2-686-bigmem). To use a 64bit kernel, do I just apt-get linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 ?
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14:57<DebZhila>peej_: but... all the other packages you have installed are 32bit though.... I guess they could run using the 32bit mode of the processor, so long as you have absolutely no 32bit drivers you try to load
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14:58<DebZhila>but, I'd say you'd be better completely reinstalling 64bit, to ensure 64bit packages, unless you think you can replace your current 32 bit packages
14:58<DebZhila>(note, I don't have a 64bit processor, and thus never tested nor attempted such)
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14:58<peej_>Well, one way to check is for me to try it out ;-)
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15:01<peej_>If I install a 64 bit kernel, are 64 bit drivers part of the kernel too?
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15:02<peej_>(with an apt-get install)
15:02<Nemoder>peej_: you will need to reinstall to get a 64bit system
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15:03<peej_>so the libs the kernel hooks up to in packages need to be 64 bit too, is that it?
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15:04<Nemoder>everything down to libc has to be the 64bit version
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15:05<peej_>so, doing a "reinstall" means, back up /home, wipe out what you have and install from scratch (with the list from dpkg --get-selections) ?
15:06<peej_>ok, thanks for clarifying.
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15:06<Nemoder>if you have enough free space you can do what I did and use a livecd to just move everything in / to /32bit/
15:07<Nemoder>then you can keep that around as a chroot for running 32bit apps that don't play well with the new system
15:07<peej_>any idea if after migration to 64bit, if virtualbox will then have a 64bit cpu clients?
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15:08<Nemoder>I don't know, I use qemu and it supports both
15:09<DebZhila>peej_: if I'm not mistaken, virtualbox supports 64bit clients even with a 32bit host (provided of course you are still using a 64bit processor)
15:10<peej_>nemoder: have you tried running vmware inside qemu by any chance? I have been pretty impressed by the recursivability <tm> of qemu
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15:10<Nemoder>no I haven't, just different OSes
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15:11<peej_>DebZhila, I have a 64bit host, but cat /proc/cpuinfo shows no "lm" flag for client oses inside virtualbox (this is 1.66 ose though).
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15:15<peej_>ah, yes, needs virtualbox 2.1+ (
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15:16<peej_>ok, so I guess I'll try a virtualbox upgrade first.
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15:17<DebZhila>peej_: as I don't have a 64bit CPU, I can't say anything first hand, I do remember reading an article about virtual box supporting 64bit clients in 32bit hosts running on a 64bit cpu, and wasn't that long ago (I'm sure post 2.0)-
15:18<DebZhila>heh, ran out forgot to hit enter
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15:23<alfatau>vvas: try man update-modules
15:24<vvas>"No manual entry for update-modules"
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15:25<alfatau>vvas: are you running debian lenny 5.0.3 ?
15:25<vvas>i run unstable generally
15:26<alfatau>vvas: ok, maybe in your unstable it's definitely removed.
15:26<meglaw>i never bother with the number
15:26*meglaw remembers when etch was testing
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15:28<vvas>alfatau: i still have both /etc/modules and /etc/init.d/module-init-tools (which processes it) though
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15:28<peej_>I did an apt-get install linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 then I changed my mind and without rebooting did a apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64. Removal seemed to go fine. But I get messages like in Do I need to worry about that?
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15:29<peej_>an more interestingly, what's it about? Is it a remnant from lilo?
15:30<vvas>respectively, not really, and probably
15:30<Nemoder>peej_: rerun lilo yourself and see if it has errors
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15:30<Nemoder>if you are in fact using lilo that is
15:31<peej_>I'm not using lilo.
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15:32<alfatau>vvas: ok. do you have modconf? it seems the use of /etc/modules has been replaced by the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/. am i wrong? thank you very much
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15:33*peej_ wonders if filing a bug for that makes sense.
15:33<vvas>alfatau, /etc/modules is for manually loading modules at startup; while /etc/modprobe.d is for providing options etc for modules. their uses are quite orthogonal
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15:33<vvas>peej_: probably not (especially considering that after giving the warning it goes ahead and fixes the links)
15:34<alfatau>vvas: ok. then manually loading modules at startup as i did using woody won't conflict with newest best practices and security guidelines?
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15:35<vvas>not that i know of
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15:40<alfatau>vvas: ok, thanks a lot
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15:41<stroyan>peej_: The kernel install tries to maintain /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old symbolic links. It is checking and noting that you removed the kernel that /vmlinuz was pointing to. That is not a bug in the kernel package.
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15:43<peej_>stroyan, point taken.
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15:44<stroyan>peej_: You can see the script that writes the message in /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-*.postrm near the bottom of the file.
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15:47<peej_>I'll just see how it goes with a reboot...a nice simple empirical test ;-)
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15:48<b>hello - having some weird problems with window-mangers hogging cpu cycles
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15:49<Guest40>if i use openbox or compiz, the cpu runs at 60%+ and the ram starts to fill up
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15:51<Guest40>then if i quit the window manger and restart it, the system returns to normal
15:51<Guest40>anyone have any ideas on how to fix? i've already removed and re-installed both openbox and compiz - no help
15:52<meowcats>what video card? drivers?
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15:53<Guest40>nvidia 8400gs and the latest driver from nvidia (190.x
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15:55<insigne>oi coisa feia
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15:55<Guest40>i may be in the wrong place - running squeeze
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15:56<insigne>olá n
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15:57<insigne>oi moça
15:57<locklace>!slap insigne
15:57*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across insigne's face
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16:06<juergen>i'm sorry for this stupid question but i've been wondering now for quite a while: what exactly is the purpose of the initrd image? according to what i found out it seems to be an intermediate step in getting the real kernel running. there's always some talk about loading device drivers to access the actual kernel. is this true?
16:07<locklace>juergen: you don't need it if the drivers required to boot the system are built into your kernel
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16:08<locklace>juergen: it's a hack to allow distributions to ship generic kitchen-sink kernels that can run almost anywhere
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16:08<juergen>locklace: how does the system access and load the kernel? where does the filesystem driver come from?
16:09<locklace>juergen: the first bit is the job of the boot loader. the fs driver is either built in (one of those required to boot, as mentioned) or not, in which case an initrd stage is necessary to load it on demand
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16:12<juergen>locklace: so, the boot loader performs some magic to get the kernel into memory?
16:12<locklace>juergen: yes
16:12<juergen>locklace: but sometimes the magic is so advanced (raid, lvm...) that the boot loader needs its apprentice called initrd?
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16:13<locklace>juergen: that's another case where you need initrd (e.g. root on lvm), but one can argue that such configurations are lame
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16:15<juergen>locklace: okay. but in that case initrd itself must be located outside the lvm, musn't it?
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16:16<adisonline>how to join 2 text in command line
16:16<locklace>juergen: yeah, the kernel and initrd image live on a vanilla boot partition reserved for such things
16:16<juergen>adisonline: text from two files?
16:16<locklace>adisonline: man cat
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16:19<juergen>locklace: ah, i think i get it now. the boot loader can do a very simple step. either that step is enough and we get straight to the kernel or the kernel is "hidden" behind a more complex "container" (lvm...) which requires the assistance of initrd to get the kernel running.
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16:21<locklace>juergen: no, the kernel (and initrd, if it exists) both live on a vanilla partition so they can be loaded easily during the boot phase. the initrd, if it exists, provides an initial primitive runtime environment that allows the kernel to load additional drivers that exist in the form of modules living as separate files on disk
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16:25<juergen>locklace: but why doesn't the kernel itself load the needed modules? if kernels can exist without initrd, it seems they're totally superfluous
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16:28<locklace>it's not like there aren't hundreds of explanations of this whole rube goldberg situation out there
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16:34<juergen>locklace: in the case of encryption or with the root filesystem stored on nfs, i think i can understand it
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16:43<rogervip>hi all
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16:45<disspate>can someone link me to an explanation of debian ditching glibc for eglibc?
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16:46<rogervip>my name is Anrdew I am from Poland
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16:47<retrospectacus>!lmgtfy debian eglibc
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16:47<rogervip>lets took
16:48<disspate>i don't understand why debian is going the embedded route...
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16:48<rogervip>who likes ME ? ;-) ....
16:48<rogervip>ENYWHANE ? ......
16:49<retrospectacus>rogervip: do you have a debian support question?
16:49<juergen>rogervip: go away, please
16:49<juergen>locklace: thanks for your help and patience
16:50<rogervip>i am not have any frends
16:50<rogervip>who like me meybe YOU ?
16:50<retrospectacus>rogervip: this is not the place to look. Try going outside
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16:52<rogervip>i am first time for this pleys and this look very nice
16:52<locklace>!lart rogervip
16:52*dpkg pours hot grits down the front of rogervip's pants
16:52<rogervip>PLAYS FIRST CLASS
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16:53<rogervip>who is from poland
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16:54<rogervip>I wont polish langwage
16:55<rogervip>who took polish
16:55<dpkg>polska -> (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
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16:57<locklace>!ops rogervip twonking out
16:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: rogervip twonking out
16:58-!-mode/#debian [+o RichiH] by ChanServ
16:58-!-mode/#debian [+q rogervip!*@*] by RichiH
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16:58*RichiH shrugs
16:58<RichiH>locklace: thanks
17:00<bja>What implications does changing from glibc to eglibc?
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17:00<bja>!beer locklace
17:00*dpkg pours a quart of Spaten Pils for locklace
17:01<RichiH>spaten is pretty much the worst beer you can possibly get
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17:02<bja>Don't blame me, blame dpkg he is the one pouring it :)
17:04<bja>I recently tasted Buckbier which is rather nice :)
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17:07<larafs>eo algien por hay+
17:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
17:07<larafs>soy de españa granada
17:07<locklace>bja: the main implication is the introduction of a cockblocking layer between ulrich drepper and debian's arse
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17:08<larafs>algien kiere ser mi amigo?¿??¿?
17:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:08<larafs>eo tio ya os vale a tos eske no me contestais o k tio engaa amos
17:09<bja>locklace: thx for the answer
17:09<ml|>larafs: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
17:09<bja>larafs: si lees lo que te dijo dpkg te daras cuenta que en #debian-es te pueden atender mejor
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17:10<larafs>eske no ma tiende nadie+
17:10<larafs>soy nueva
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17:10<larafs>yo kiero un amigooo
17:10<azeem>!at larafs
17:10-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
17:10-!-mode/#debian [+o Hydroxide] by ChanServ
17:10-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@] by azeem
17:10-!-mode/#debian [-o Hydroxide] by Hydroxide
17:10-!-mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem
17:10<Hydroxide>azeem: jinx
17:11<ml|>haha ;)
17:11<azeem>larafs: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please learn english in the meantime
17:11<bja>And the winnes is azzeem
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17:11<Hydroxide>bja: and the "loses" is you :)
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17:12<@Ganneff>Hydroxide: and the #debian-offtopic is for you
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17:12<Hydroxide>Ganneff: heh, snarky brief comments are on-topic :)
17:12<azeem>Ganneff: and the "drop the @" is for you
17:12<ml|>azeem: a whole 10 minutes to learn english? ;)
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17:16<disspate>why is debian moving to an embedded c library?? i've read several articles on this and i still do not understand.
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17:17<azeem>disspate: it's not "a" embedded c library
17:17<azeem>it's *the* embedded c library
17:17<weasel>AIUI, eglibc is just a distribution of the standard glibc
17:17<azeem>and it's basically just like glibc, but you can configure it fine-grained
17:17<weasel>albeit one that includes fixes earlier, and also fixes stuff that upstream doesn't necessarily care about
17:17<azeem>like throw-out networking if you build a dish-washer
17:17<disspate>azeem: i thought uclibc was *the* embedded c library
17:17<weasel>we aren't moving to ulibc tho
17:17<weasel>have have eglibc.
17:18<azeem>eh, *the* embedded GNU c library
17:18<locklace>weasel: my explanation was better
17:18<Hydroxide>disspate: weasel's answer is probably the relevant bit for your question
17:19<disspate>i still don't understand how this isn't going to break compatibility with other distros like ubuntu.
17:19<Hydroxide>disspate: it's 100% compatible, just includes fixes sooner and more often
17:19<Hydroxide>disspate: also, ubuntu uses eglibc too, like Debian, IIRC
17:20<disspate>Hydroxide, i see. this is interesting to say the least. is eglibc in sid?
17:20<@Ganneff>it is NOT a different libc
17:20<Hydroxide>disspate: yeah, it's the standard libc6 package
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17:20<Hydroxide>disspate: it's just an easier-to-fix patchset against glibc, basically. it IS glibc.
17:21<disspate>i guess i was thrown off by the 'embedded' aspect of all this
17:21-!-mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ
17:21-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@] by azeem
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17:21<Hydroxide>disspate: and apparently ubuntu 9.10 did ship with it. might answer your questions
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17:21<azeem>as I said, eglibc is better for embedded use because you can disable almost all parts of it
17:21<azeem>that was the original idea behind it
17:22<azeem>but the code is basically identical otherwise
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17:23<disspate>since debian is moving away from glibc, i wonder if this will set a precedent for other non-debian based distros.
17:23<azeem>disspate: it *has* moved a year ago or so
17:23<azeem>and really, it's not a big deal
17:23<@Ganneff>we do not move away from glibc
17:24<Hydroxide>Ganneff: TECHNICALLY we did. PRACTICALLY we didn't.
17:24<@Ganneff>Hydroxide: for all that counts for users, we do not.
17:24<Hydroxide>Ganneff: agreed.
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17:24<disspate>Ganneff, but what about developers?
17:25<@Ganneff>its some extra patches and an upstream thats not totally brainless bollocks dumpshit idiotic, but thats it
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17:25<Hydroxide>disspate: it's source and binary compatible since it's 99.9% exactly the same as glibc
17:25<azeem>disspate: eglibc doesn't rewrite POSIX, if you mean that
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17:26<Hydroxide>disspate: the difference only matters for people who are frustrated about how slowly their glibc bugfixes get integrated or people who want to build a stripped-down libc for a special use case
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17:26<Hydroxide>disspate: if you are not running across a C library bug and are running on a non-embedded system like standard debian, they're effectively identical and the same
17:27<StyXman>I find that if I want to install from a USB stick I have to download the booy.img.gz from hd-media. the stable image does not detect my network card (a broadcom bcm5906). it also couldn't find and iso image because I don't have one (it doesn't fit in the USB stick and the disk is so new it is not even partitioned). so the question is: could a newer hd-image (from the daily builds) detect my eth or should I somehow try to put the iso in the ne
17:27<disspate>Hydroxide, i see. yes, this does make sense.
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17:28<disspate>Hydroxide, now i'm off to switch to Plan 9.
17:28<Hydroxide>haha :)
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17:32<StyXman_>sorry, my router rebooted twice. did anyone answered? otherwise I'll just wait a little
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17:32<gsimmons>StyXman_: For the "all-in-one" USB image (boot.img), you'll need to supply either a netinst or businesscard ISO; the various CD1 images will not fit. Your device should be supported by Linux 2.6.26's tg3 driver.
17:32<xente>hi...can someone tell me how to get information on a certain package using the bots?
17:33<StyXman_>gsimmons: so I just simply use any of the .iso images and burn it in the USB stick? does that even work?
17:33<ml|>xente: better to use aptitude; but /msg dpkg info package; judd is still down
17:33<azeem>StyXman_: copy, not burn
17:33<xente>ml|: thanks!
17:33<StyXman_>azeem: yes, I forgot the '
17:34<azeem>usually, burn in the context of .iso images means writing an iso9660 file system
17:34<azeem>which is not the case here
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17:34<ml|>any idea when judd will be back?
17:35<StyXman_>azeem: yes, and in this case I'll be putting a iso filesystem into a USB stick
17:35<xente>stupid question: what is judd?
17:35<ml|>xente: another #debian bot
17:35<xente>I see
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17:36<bja>After so many lines from azeem and Hidroxide, locklace had the shortest and most acurate answer :)
17:36<bja>so the winneR is ...
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17:38<debianNOOB21> hi all, can i get some quick hand holding. i have two nics that have be nated, i want to only premit 80 443 outbound on the internal interface. What iptables command will do this for me?
17:38<StyXman_>gsimmons: or do you mean I should also download stable's netinst.iso and put it in the pen?
17:40<StyXman_>debianNOOB21: maybe you can use a firewall builder like firestarter or maybe something more server-ish like shorewall
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17:42<gsimmons>StyXman_: Yes, copy it to the FAT filesystem on your USB device.
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17:42<StyXman_>gsimmons: but it won't fit, the USB is 512MiB and it already has the boot.img which is 400MiB
17:42<debianNOOB21>StyXman_ : do those apps make changes to my current iptables setup?
17:42<azeem>400MB boot.img?
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17:43<StyXman_>debianNOOB21: yeap
17:44<StyXman_>azeem: hd-media/boot.img
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17:45<StyXman_>gsimmons: and also, that image doesn't set any partitions at all
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17:46<StyXman_>aha. the mig is 400MiB but it has 200MiB free (I mounted the whole device)
17:46<azeem>StyXman_: that's a file system image
17:46<StyXman_>azeem: yeap
17:47<StyXman_>I wrote it into the pendrive
17:48<StyXman_>so in the 200MiB left I can put the netinst.iso image
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17:50<StyXman_>ok, let's see what happens
17:50<tp43>how do you get compiz to load by default. I had put it in .kde/Autostart, but now it takes much longer to log in, first kde starts, and then compiz replaces it, but how do you get compiz to start in the first place, so log in doesn't take so long and look cheap
17:50<StyXman_>gsimmons, azeem: thanks
17:50<zeus>hi all, i've installed debian 5 and i'm using LVM. Is there a way to rename my device from "/dev/mapper/LVM--grp-proxy" to "/dev/mapper/LVM-proxy" or something shorter ?
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17:58<locklace>zeus: man lvrename vgrename
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17:59<enyc>hrrm... new UK install Debian Lenny5.0, without inheriting any old .bashrc etc. -- "man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" ... "LANG=en_GB.UTF-8" "LC_TIME=en_DK.utf8" ... any ideas why this is happening?
18:00<enyc>locale-gen seems to think there is "en_GB.UTF-8" but does not mention en_DK ...
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18:01<enyc>indeed it seems to be this LC_TIME default variable setting off the error
18:01<dpkg>Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>.
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18:01<themill>enyc: ^^ in particular, you may need to include these extra locales in the list to generate.
18:03<enyc>themill: woot that fixes it
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18:04<enyc>themill: I happen to think it is a bug that installing a minimal debian install set to 'United Kingdom' sets the LC_TIME to en_DK.utf8 without also making sure that locale is in the default list...
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18:04<themill>enyc: I presume you are sshing in to this machine; it's your local machine that is setting this LC_TIME in that case.
18:04<allyourbass>identify 42530353290m
18:05<enyc>themill: aaaaaaaaaah ;-)
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18:05<shaiss>Hoping someone can point me at the right debian version for my CPU
18:06<themill>enyc: "man 5 sshd_config" will tell you about AcceptEnv; "man 5 ssh_config" imaginatively includes SendEnv.
18:07<enyc>themill: thankyou.......
18:07<enyc>themill: ooooooooo that makes sense too i understand now
18:07<enyc>ask a sensible question, get a sensible answer ....
18:07<shaiss>I have a AMD Geode™ LX 800, which debian version do I use?
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18:09<enyc>themill: actually i did have a silly one in there umm... debian etch->lenny upgrade, users' profile kept a .bashrc that overrode the $LANG which was causing a problem after upgrade..
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18:09<enyc>themill: all sorted now ;-)
18:09<tp43>Ok, I got it going, sweet. Man, I have no idea what I am doing, I just copy and paste commands and cross my fingers
18:10<shaiss>can anyone help me out?
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18:11<tp43>it wierd, I ran some commands that were supposed to make compiz run by default over kde kwin, but strangely, avant-window-navigator is running too, which is what I intended, but I thought I would have to tweak after getting compiz going first. I have no idea why its running on its own
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18:15<tp43>oh, you know why, cause when I deleted avant-window-navigator from .kde/Autostart, avant-window-navigator~ was left behind
18:15<tp43>lol, I was having all kinds of paranoid conspiracy thoughts
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18:16<ml|>tp43: not a good idea to do stuff when you don't know what you are doing; but crossing fingers can help ;)
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18:21<retrospectacus>shaiss: you want 686 arch
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18:22<retrospectacus>or i386 or whatever it's called
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18:32<shaiss>retrospectacus: Thank you for the answer, I don't see 686 on
18:33<ml|>shaiss: i386
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18:33<shaiss>ah ok, than kyou
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18:38<shaiss>thank you. I'm downloading the business card CD for now while the DVD downloads in the background
18:38<shaiss>I havn't been able to get any of my linux distros to boot
18:39<shaiss>ubuntu, mint, mandriva, puppy
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18:43<tp43>ml|, hehe, I never know
18:44<tp43>ml|, but as long as I am doing, I should probably think about it, so I figure it out a little. I get it a bit, I made some script that sends a command
18:45<tp43>ml|, backports is the latest stuff, that is now almost stable
18:45<ml|>tp43: try to understand before you do things, use man if not sure
18:46<tp43>ml|, oh man...its been years, I can never read those, I skim them, but I could swear I get nothing out of them
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18:46<tp43>ml|, I use google the most
18:47<ml|>tp43: another place that helps is /usr/share/doc/ but not everything is there
18:47<tp43>ml|, thanks I will check it out
18:48<ml|>tp43: some packages have an extra *-doc package, if you install those you will see them there
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18:56<nuvie>Hey, I have a question about Moblin, can anyone help?
18:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 392] by debhelper
18:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:59<nuvie>I'm running Debian squeeze with Gnome-Core, and I want to run Moblin over it. I installed all Moblin-related packages from but it came out looking strange, half Moblin and half Gnome. I'm looking for information on how to properly implement Moblin in Debian.
18:59<SEJeff>nuvie, moblin is fedora based though. It might need a bit more work on debian.
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18:59<nuvie>Okay, thanks. I'll have to wait then, I guess.
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19:00<nuvie>Thanks SEJeff! Later guys.
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19:01<dpkg><asg> stew: I've been beating the developers at work off for a while over ruby <abrotman> asg: you're a nice boss .. mine would never beat me off
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19:05<shaiss>according to AAEON they support kernel 2.4. Which debias 2.4?
19:05<shaiss>*Which debian has 2.4
19:05<tp43>I did apt-cache search moblin -nothing
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19:06<SEJeff>tp43, The ubuntu guys did a good bit of moblin stuff. It should be easy to download their source packages and rebuild them for debian.
19:06<@Ganneff>shaiss: no current one.
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19:06<debianNOOB21>what is the best way to monitor traffic over an iptables nat router?
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19:07<ml|>dpkg: kernels
19:07<dpkg>Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100125, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.33-rc5-git2, mainline 2.6: 2.6.33-rc5, stable 2.6.32: , stable 2.6.31: , stable 2.6.30: , stable 2.6.27: , stable 2.4.37:
19:07<ml|>duh, judd is the one with that info
19:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, judd is currently unavailable. We'll try to have him back soon. Come back judd!!!!
19:08<bja>ml|: you killed him?
19:08<meowcats>iptables can record traffic
19:08<ml|>bja: not I sir
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19:09<bja>meowcats: afaik it count the amount of traffic for every rule it processes, but it will not record the traffic
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19:14<bja>meowcats: if you need something to record the traffic wireshark is a better option
19:15<bja>another option would be tcpdump
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19:18<winstonsmith>what do I have to apt-get to get the time program that gentoo has?
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19:18<bja>first you need the name of the program
19:19<winstonsmith>that's all I type in.. in gentoo.. a google search for time doesnt give me much since the word is to common
19:19<themill>winstonsmith: you perhaps want to look at /usr/bin/time as opposed to your shell builtin "time"
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19:19<meowcats>bja i have tomato running on my wrt54g-tm, it records all wlan traffic to an SD card :)
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19:20<winstonsmith>I dont have gentoo installed right now
19:21<tp43>this is #debian though
19:21<winstonsmith>right.. and debian should have an equiv program in the repositories
19:21<retrospectacus>what does the "time" command output in gentoo?
19:22<themill>winstonsmith: and did you look at /usr/bin/time as opposed to your shell builtin "time"
19:22<meowcats>does gnash completely replace flash? by that i mean does it do more than decode flash video?
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19:22<amphi>winstonsmith: aptitude install time
19:22<winstonsmith>it times a program... like.. you do a time emerge gentoo-sources and it gives you real 6m8.513s user 0m26.080s sys 0m8.550s
19:23<bja>meowcats: gnash is a work in progress
19:23<themill>winstonsmith: as opposed to time in debian that does what?
19:23<retrospectacus>debian has that. It comes with is afaik
19:23<TheKing>hey im trying to install something thats available in unstable .... and keeps complaining it needs dependencies of a greater version than whats there or going to be installed .... how can i just force it to go and install whatever dependencies it needs ?
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19:23<themill>TheKing: are you currently running squeeze or lenny?
19:23<raylu>winstonsmith: what shell are you using?
19:23<tp43>TheKing, you can't, what you trying to install, just get the version that fits for you
19:23<TheKing>umm lenny i think
19:23<TheKing>is squeeze newer ?
19:24<TheKing>maybe i get that
19:24<themill>!upgrade path
19:24<dpkg>it has been said that upgrade path is install <stable> first, then use <> if you really really need newer software, then maybe <simple sid backport>, upgrade to <testing>, use <pinning>, and when you want to abandon all hope, go for <unstable>
19:24<amphi>TheKing: squeeze is the current testing branch
19:24<winstonsmith>shell? bash
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19:24<tp43>TheKing, Like, I had backports kernel, and I was trying to install stable acpid, and it didn't work, so I installed bpo acpid and it worked
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19:24<themill>TheKing: ^^ try first or making your own backport.
19:25<raylu>winstonsmith: which version? what you're describing sounds like the shell builtin "time"
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19:25<bja>TheKing: as themill allready stated, the last resource would be getting the sources and fixing any uncertainties you might find at compile time. (It is a time consuming activity )
19:25<retrospectacus>winstonsmith: you want: apt-get install time
19:25<retrospectacus>like someone said
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19:26<amphi>retrospectacus: he won't listen ;)
19:26<winstonsmith>nm.. aptitude found it..
19:26<retrospectacus>hooray! ...
19:26<TheKing>maybe ill just dl the source from the netatalk
19:26<winstonsmith>thanks... retarded moment complicated with a slow apt-update and locked files
19:27<TheKing>the netatalk people i mean
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19:27<themill>winstonsmith: From your description, you probably want the time builtin from bash not /usr/bin/time from the time package though.
19:28<winstonsmith>apt-get install time is what I want..
19:28<gantrixx>I've noticed that debian is still on Thunderbird 2.x. When will it pull in Thunderbird 3.x?
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19:28<themill>winstonsmith: that doesn't generate output like you pasted, however. But if that's what you want, enjoy.
19:28<gantrixx>most other distributions have upgraded to the 3.x series
19:28<winstonsmith>umm.. actually it does.. try it out
19:28<themill>gantrixx: 3.0 is in experimental. It'll hit sid some time.
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19:29<gantrixx>it sure has a lot of stick time for it to still be experimental
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19:29<gantrixx>sort of like gmail still being in beta release I guess
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19:30<SEJeff>gantrixx, gmail hasn't been in beta for several months
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19:31<gantrixx>SEJeff, yes, but before that the entire world was using it for years while it was in beta
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19:31<gantrixx>I'm trying to draw the same analogy with TB
19:31<themill>winstonsmith: /usr/bin/time doesn't generate that output. Try it yourself.... You may find the output of "type -a time" or "which time" enlightening.
19:32<gantrixx>Suse and Fedora have had it in their distros for at least a year now
19:32<bja>gantrixx: the amount of users of a program does not under any circumstances defines the degree of stability of a program
19:32<winstonsmith>my bad.. I stand corrected...
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19:32<bja>gantrixx: it does help on the testin phase
19:33<gantrixx>So if the Thunderbird folks arbitrarily say, it's release, Debian will pull it in?
19:35<gantrixx>And at what point, what "magic verbage" is Debian looking for? I don't see a "beta" on the end of the release number.
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19:35<gantrixx>Looks like 3.0 was released Dec 8 2009
19:36<themill>It takes time for a decent package to be made out of something and it takes time to integrate it into the rest of your desktop. That's something that Mozilla has taken many many years to learn.
19:37<gantrixx>Is it even on the Debian schedule for the next release?
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19:38<gantrixx>Distrowatch doesn't show that it will be in Sid
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19:41<tp43>is there an apt command to search though installed stuff?
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19:42<tp43>gantrixx, maybe you can check in backports, have you heard of it? Its newer stuff in testing that basically stable, and so you can install it on a stable system
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19:43<gantrixx>my wish is to get it into the Ubuntu distro, they won't include it until Debian does, Thunderbird folks say it is not it beta and has been officially release (they are working on 3.1 now).
19:44<tp43>gantrixx, I am not sure if this is good advice, but I would download it and do the ./configure, make, make install thing if you you can't any other way
19:44<themill>gantrixx: and as I said, making a good package then take some time after that.
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19:45<gantrixx>I could do that, but then that would be considered something I added to the distribution. And at work that would require months of paperwork to get approved.
19:45<gantrixx>I'm really limited to what is in the Ubuntu software repo
19:46<Guest52>The mozilla buildsystem is hard, I guess. Thunderbird 3 is available from the ubuntu-mozilla-daily PPA for Ubuntu, but extensions still are not available - the lack of enigmail for TB3 hurts me
19:46<raylu>tp43: dpkg -l "*"
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19:46<tp43>raylu, thanks
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19:49<Tijuanens>I am having severe problems with debian!
19:50<Tijuanens> Forum welcomes anybody who hates niggers and isn't a nigger. Asian? No Problem! Jewish? We have Jewish mods! Mexican? Bienvenido amigo! No matter what race you are, join us if you hate niggers!
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19:51<KC|Laptop>im half black
19:52<KC|Laptop>can i join?
19:52<Tijuanens> The following message has been brought to you by Cannonical and Chimpout Forum|||||||||My friend! I think this might interest you! Now that the Obama Nigger Tide is rapidly in retreat, the time for us to act is NOW! Tired of Niggers and their monkeyshines? Can't join the KKK because you are not White? This is Billy Mayes here with an amazing new website! Chimpout Forum! Chimpout
19:52<Tijuanens> Forum welcomes anybody who hates niggers and isn't a nigger. Asian? No Problem! Jewish? We have Jewish mods! Mexican? Bienvenido amigo! No matter what race you are, join us if you hate niggers!
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19:52<KC|Laptop>i asked you a question, not to repeat yourself
19:52<Tijuanens>one drop rule
19:52<KC|Laptop>why not?
19:52<Tijuanens>a half nigger is still a nigger
19:52<Devastator>I'm trying to backport iptables 1.4.6 to lenny but having trouble with libtool, does anybody have done it?
19:52<Tijuanens>same with quadroons
19:52<Tijuanens>and octoroons
19:53<KC|Laptop>so you are all white?
19:53<Tijuanens>I am Aztec/white
19:53<Tijuanens>we are not white supremacists
19:53<KC|Laptop>and what nationality?
19:53<Tijuanens>we are negro inferiorists
19:53<Tijuanens>Mexican, and no I am not from one of the negroid areas of Mexico
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19:53<Tijuanens>you can run my ip address
19:53<Tijuanens>yes Mexican
19:53<KC|Laptop>seriously, and you're mocking other people?
19:54<KC|Laptop>i reckon you should have a good look at yourself
19:54<Tijuanens>the average Mexican in Mexico has a higher life expectancy than the average American nigger
19:54<Tijuanens>we take better care of ourselves
19:54<KC|Laptop>yeah, compared to americans?
19:54<Tijuanens>and the iq is significantly higher
19:54<KC|Laptop>who doesn't
19:54<sney`>!ops hello there seem to be trolls here
19:54<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney` complains about: hello there seem to be trolls here
19:54<Tijuanens>only a year or two off
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19:55<Tijuanens>but thanks to the negro bringing down the american avearge
19:55<Tijuanens>thank you niggers for doing that
19:55<KC|Laptop>what have american stats got to do with anything?
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19:55<KC|Laptop>it's not a particularly great feat to be better than americans
19:55<Tijuanens>just like niggers are 13% of the population but over 40% of welfare recipients
19:55<Tijuanens>learning english
19:56<Tijuanens>at least us Mexicans stay in proportion
19:56-!-mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ
19:56<KC|Laptop>all black people i've met are fluent in english
19:56-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*]] by helix
19:56<Tijuanens>niggers, america's cancer
19:56<goodger>thank you helix~
19:56<Tijuanens>and they suck at speaking it
19:56-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*]] by helix
19:56<KC|Laptop>so technically you are inferior
19:56-!-Tijuanens was kicked from #debian by helix [Tijuanens]
19:56<KC|Laptop>what a bad lad
19:56-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*] by helix
19:56*helix removes the misfire
19:56<goodger>"bother us again and I shall visit you in the small hours and put a bat up your nightdress"
19:56-!-mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix
19:56<KC|Laptop>although his ignorance is quite amusing
19:57<helix>guys, he's a troll
19:57<burnclouds>I have postfix+courier running on my server I have STARTTLS setup and working for my smtp server. I'd like to get SSL working. Does any one know of any good how-to guides? I have done some googling but havent found anything to useful.
19:57<KC|Laptop>oh fuck
19:57<KC|Laptop>he's pming me now
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19:57<KC|Laptop>i shouldn't have bitten
19:58<[Jason]>Once you feed a troll, they keep coming back for more :P
19:58<amphi>just pop it into the oubliette
19:59<sney`>if he's pming users let OFTC staff know, they'll k-line him
19:59<KC|Laptop>nah i'll just insult him a bit
19:59<KC|Laptop>then he'll go away
20:00<burnclouds>keep feeding the troll?
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20:06<kisisten>hi, is there a way to have two different mail servers for one domain (different users on each server)?
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20:10<bja>kisisten: there is a way, you have to chain them together or something similar. The hint is on postfix documentation
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20:14<user01>why on earth would i run the nl command with the n switch?
20:14<sney`>the who in the what now?
20:14<user01>the nl command
20:15<user01>why would i ever type in nl -n?
20:15<user01>i was reading the man page for it
20:15<user01>nl number lines n option says not to number it
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20:15<user01>if i read the man page correctly
20:16<sney`>I thought n was to set a specific format for the numbering
20:16<bja> -n, --number-format=FORMAT
20:16<bja> insert line numbers according to FORMAT
20:16<user01> n number no lines
20:16<nobilis>where do files that are downloaded from synaptic package manager go?
20:17<user01>ah ok makes more sense now
20:17<user01>i was looking at the other n
20:18<nobilis>which version of virtualbox works the best?
20:18<burnclouds>Any one know of a good guide for setting up SMTPS with postfix?
20:18<[Jason]>Yeah, the n you were looking at was for style, so you could specify a style for header,body, or footer and have it not number that specific section
20:19<user01>yep i paged down too far
20:20<nobilis>which version of virtualbox works the best?
20:20<user01>though . . . it looks like wikipedia screwed it up too i think:
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20:22<nobilis>which version of virtualbox works the best?
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20:25<dr|z3d>nobilis: Not the OSE version.
20:25<dr|z3d>You really want the full Sun version, probably.
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20:37<fargo>Hi, I need help mounting a root file system with the /sbin/init file of a ramdisk
20:37<fargo>mount -n -t msdos /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt works fine
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20:38<fargo>but at losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/linux/linuxdsk.img
20:38<fargo>I get kernel panic-not syncing
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20:44<user01>is there a comprehensive list of all common bash commands like cat, ls, nl, pr etc?
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20:47<user01>eh this is the most comprehensive ive found
20:47<linus>well if you want the complete list you will need to know you exact distrobution
20:48<linus>or you could just check your /bin and /sbin
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20:50<user01>linus, i have debian stable
20:51<user01>linus, looked pretty good but there is no nl
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20:52<nobilis>does any1 know what version of virtualbox works best with windows programs
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20:56<dr|z3d>nobilis: Grab the latest Sun version.. it's getting better all the time.
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21:02<ml|>nobilis: or use virtualbox-ose from the repos
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21:04<meowcats>whats up with the new xfce 4.6 menu? it has this weird "scroll" effect so that it wont display everything at once, but i have to scroll through the menu
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21:09<dr|z3d>meowcats: #xfce on freenode..
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21:12<meowcats>heh freenode requires registration now :p
21:14<Hydroxide>meowcats: probably worthwhile...
21:15<Hydroxide>meowcats: so does almost every web forum for people who want to post
21:15<meowcats>irc is *not* a forum though
21:15<Hydroxide>meowcats: and many mailing lists, etc. in freenode's case they get slammed with enough attacks by spammers that I sympathize
21:15<Hydroxide>meowcats: we get a significant share of spam too, though not as bad as them
21:17<meowcats>i wonder what kind of person spams a irc channel
21:18<dr|z3d>The same kind of person that fails school, has no friends, and generally is a piss poor excuse for a human being. In a nutshell.
21:18<bja>dr|z3d: Nice description, feeling inspired today?
21:19*dr|z3d chuckles. "no!"
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21:19<Hydroxide>meowcats: there are spammers who target many channels in whole networks, or even do DDoS attacks on the servers. anyway, this is getting off-topic for #debian, so let's drop it or switch to /msg
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21:23<cesurasean>kernel panic when running chown -R bind:bind /var/lib/named/var/* on that dl360
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21:25<cesurasean>i think this machine is bunk.
21:26<cesurasean>bad memory module, or something.
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21:27<cesurasean>anyone have an idea what could be causing this issue?
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21:32<cesurasean>same commands work fine on 2.6.26-2-686. trunk, however has a panic when running chown.
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21:35<cesurasean>i am assuming it's related to how the processors are being handled though.
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21:38<user01>how can i tell if i am running dash or bash?
21:39<user01>if i do echo $SHELL it says /bin/bash
21:39<zenjuzu>type $ls -l /bin/sh
21:40<zenjuzu>it should be a link to your system shell
21:41<meowcats>cool debian has a z80asm in the repo :)
21:42<user01>zenjuzu, thanks, yes it says bash
21:42<user01>zenjuzu, but why isnt it the debian dash?
21:43<user01>thought that was the default
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21:47<rking>I have a printer that is very unreliable (sometimes it takes 12 hours to print, sometimes 1.2 seconds). I am using CUPS, and cannot seem to see anything in the interface that gives clues. It's an HPLJ1200. Is there a way I can debug this deeper?
21:52<tp43>how do people make videos of their desktop?
21:52<dr|z3d>tp43: Try instanbul.
21:53<tp43>thanks dr|z3d
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21:56<tmg1|fwtaylor>so...madwifi is unfree, ndiswrapper probably even violates gpl... is there a free driver at all for the atheros chipset?
21:57<tmg1|fwtaylor>or am i in possession of a bookmark (ie not a wireless card)
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21:59<tp43>hey, I am trying istanbul, its cool.
21:59<gsimmons>tmg1|fwtaylor: What wireless device (brand, model) do you have?
21:59<tmg1|fwtaylor>atheros ar5212/ar5213 (hmm looks like ath9k might work)
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22:00<tmg1|fwtaylor>dlink airpremier dwl ag660)
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22:02*tmg1|fwtaylor will try ath9k
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22:05<gsimmons>tmg1|fwtaylor: Both AR5212 and AR5213 are supported by the ath5k driver (ath9k is for 802.11n) ; /msg dpkg ath5k
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22:09<tmg1|fwtaylor>or that
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22:14<ml|>I keep getting this at boot time ... 'unable to verify audit subsystem... ... (warning)' but if I reboot the warning goes away, any ideas on the cause?
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22:16<opticon>can someone help me with samba on debian lenny
22:17<opticon>ive looked at guides configured settings but its not working
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23:22<pcoronaf>anyone has experinced any wierd behavior when surfing the web?? it-s two day that muy web brwsing speed is too slow, but i can ftp, wget, etc... at normal speed, any suggestions??
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23:39<cesurasean>no one has a response to my chown problem on squeeze?
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23:45<cesurasean>i had to remove trunk from my grub boot list due to said bug.
23:46<amol1>hi all,how to reload a file using c program?
23:47<amol1>other than fork and exec
23:47<amol1>i want to continues reload a file after some time..not by killing application and reopen it.
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23:54<cesurasean>what is the default password on a new mysql on squeeze?
23:54<cesurasean>should not this be blank?
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