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00:30<jmarsden>cesurasean: The package should prompt you to set one during package installation.
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00:38<samaira>hi all. I am blogging [ backports.wordpress.com ]. I am preparing some pictorial tutorials to post on blog. I want to remove "user:computer$" in terminal. please guide me.
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00:42<winstonsmith>is there a debian installer that has nilfs support by default? .... I tried adding the required files to initrd and can actually format and mount the fs... but when I let the installer run.. it doesnt list nilfs as an option
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00:46<eightyeight>samaira: remove "user:compure$" from your screenshot? you mean, like just using the gimp, and iditintg it out? or changing your prompt to just "$ "?
00:47<samaira>eightyeight | editing in gimp is cumbersome. I would like to change prompt to just "$". thank u.
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00:47<eightyeight>samaira: export PS1='$ '
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00:48<samaira>eightyeight | how do i revert back to original position ?
00:48<eightyeight>samaira: source /etc/bashrc
00:48<eightyeight>or whatever your global shell rc file is
00:49<eightyeight>or even your local .bashrc
00:49<eightyeight>wherever your PS1 string is stored
00:50<samaira>i am using bash and it is located at /etc/bash.bashrc
00:50<eightyeight>really, the export doesn't make it permament. it's just for that session, so you could close your terminal and open a new one to restore the previous PS1
00:51<samaira>eightyeight | thanks buddy, this is great and i will note it down in my commands file.
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01:48<daniel>HOLA!!
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01:49<jmarsden>!es
01:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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02:28<rudra>how to locate other ytem on network
02:29<rudra>how to locate other system on network
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02:37<meowcats>rudra: follow the ethernet cord?
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02:50<vulc4n>lol
02:50<jmm>meowcats: it's wireless !
02:50<jmm>:)
02:50<vulc4n>follow the etherwaves
02:50<jmm>hi guys :)
02:50<vulc4n>question. Say I give a user an account
02:51<vulc4n>is there some way I can make a log of everything they do?
02:51<jmm>it sound very possible.
02:51<jmm>if not setuped their history can be written to ~/.bash_history
02:51<nothingmore>rudra: you can use nmap to ping scan the network. example: nmap -sP 192.168.1.1-254 or 192.168.1-254.1-254 if you are feeling crazy
02:54<jmm>vulc4n: if you want something more complete, look this url :
02:54<jmm>http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-log-user-activity-using-process-accounting.html
02:54<vulc4n>I didn't think about the bash histoy
02:54<vulc4n>I think that tells me all I need to know in this case
02:55<jmm>the problem is that it can be cleaned by the user.
02:55<vulc4n>well
02:55<vulc4n>I realize that
02:55<vulc4n>but not malicious activity in this case ;)
02:55<jmm>ho :)
02:57<vulc4n>hmm
02:57<vulc4n>I seem to be logged in to my server like 4 times :/
02:58<jmm>what's the problem ?
02:58<vulc4n>well, I'm using FreeNX
02:59<vulc4n>I'm wondering if its not properly terminating sessions
03:00<jmm>I didn't knew about FreeNX, it sound cool.
03:00<jm_>isn't the idea of freenx to also keep sessions running?
03:01<jm_>well that's one of the way to use it
03:01<jm_>ways*
03:01<vulc4n>jm_: perhaps...
03:01<vulc4n>but then shouldn't it resume that session when logging back in?
03:01<jm_>I would expect it to yes
03:01<vulc4n>me too
03:02<vulc4n>but I have no experience with it, beyond what I have done in the last two days
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03:13<amol1>jm_, can you tell me how reload happens for application like gedit oo writer without killing process and restarting it.
03:14<jm_>amol1: I have no idea what you're asking me
03:15<amol1>jm_, i have my application which displays image and now want to add auto reload functionality which will run after some seconds of time
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03:18<jm_>amol1: what is it written in?
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03:25<yang_>hey when i try and modprobe w1 it says fatal moduale not found. i installed broadcom-sta-common broadcom-sta-source moduale-assaitant and wireless tools and ran m-a a-i broadcom-sta but still no results ... anybody???
03:26<gsimmons>yang_: ITYM "wl", not w1.
03:26<amol1>jm_, .jpg image
03:26<yang_>lol
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03:26<amol1>but that may be getting changed like edited by other program so i want to reload it
03:27<jm_>amol1: no, the application
03:27<amol1>jm_, i tried with gthumb
03:27<amol1>using fork and exec and sleep
03:28<amol1>but it is kind of killing and recreating process
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03:28<jm_>amol1: so basically you want an app that will auto-reload image all the time or what?
03:28<amol1>jm_ yes correct
03:28<yang_>aggghhh
03:28<yang_>[00:27] <yang_> still get 10.43.42.1 ip address
03:29<amol1>yang, check that module is available in system or not using modinfo
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03:29<amol1>jm_, auto-reload image all the time
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03:30<jm_>amol1: 'gqview -s' should achieve this
03:30<jmm>umm
03:31<jmm>amol1: I don't understand, why don't you code the reload ?
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03:31<yang_>modinfo?
03:32<jmm>if I get it right, you already made the image loading and displaying part. the rest is easy.
03:32<amol1>jmm, i am not getting how to code for reload
03:32<jmm>just load again and display again.
03:32<jmm>what language is it coded in ?
03:32<amol1>jmm c gtk
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03:33<yang_>amol1: there is output and the filename given exists
03:33<jm_>amol1: just check the time since last load and reload if needed, what's the big deal?
03:35<amol1>jm_, i am able to reload bby mechanism of close image and reopen after some time.i want to make like gedit not by closing it ..
03:35<jm_>amol1: yeah see above
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03:36<yang_>any ideas?
03:39<yang_>anybody?
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04:05<klando>Hello ! I wonder if some of you use an ERP and what are the projects active (and which have not dual licence)
04:06<klando>any tips or links are welcome :)
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04:10<adema>is it possible to have the same number for an uid and a gid ?
04:10<Nabilou>Hello,
04:10<adema>'cause i'm having problem with nss-mysql and i'm wondering if this is the problem :o
04:10<bzed>klando: we're using openerp here
04:12<Nabilou>I am trying to set a crypted partition up with aes. crypsetup and dmsetup are installed. But if I do "modprobe aes" I get this message :
04:12<jmm>adema: yes it's possible.
04:12<Nabilou>WARNING: Error inserting padlock_aes (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-aes.ko): No such device
04:12<adema>so it's not the problem :s
04:13<jmm>:)
04:13<adema>i have something very strange with nss-mysql, the group exists but i when i try do add a system user to this group(stored in the mysql db) gpasswd tells me that the group doesn't exist
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04:25*jmm think about a diplomatic way to say 'don't use the name of root in vain'.
04:25<koollman>no need to be diplomatic about such an important matter
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04:26<jmm>bah my co workers are cool guys, they just got some bad pratices.
04:26<jmm>I don't want to be the extremist hunting them.
04:26<less>heh
04:27<klando>bzed, yes, it sounds interesting.
04:27<klando>tks
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04:39<yang>I am wondering if there is an extra package required for the Realtek 8169 NICs to work in modern kernels ?
04:40<jm_>yang: not for me no
04:40<yang>Becouse I received a failure with kernel upgrade, that firmware doesn't match
04:41<yang>and since then, I cannot boot it
04:41<yang>i thought it could be related
04:44<snogglethorpe>,...
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05:11<per>!confuse perk
05:11<dpkg>Yes, who are my ferret tomorrow, perk? Breeches of the Democracy of Micronesia with extra cream.
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05:47<Supaplex>~
05:47<Supaplex>!test
05:47<dpkg>Test failed.
05:47<Supaplex>indeed.
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05:52<jmm>!confuse Supaplex
05:52<dpkg>Yes, where was our hamster yesterday, Supaplex? Lederhosen of the Democracy of Micronesia with extra anchovies.
05:53<Nabilou>I am trying to create an aes 256 key, but it takes forever. I use this command : openssl aes-256-cbc.
05:54<Nabilou>It asks for password and verification and then...... nothing after almost 15 minutes
05:58<jm_>Nabilou: it's waiting for input on stdin
05:59<jm_>try using it like so: echo nabilou is trying to hide something | openssl aes-256-cbc
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06:00<Nabilou>jm_, ok I am going to try it
06:01<Nabilou>jm_, thanks it works :)
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06:16<KangarooBox>Hey all, I'm looking to implement ZeroConf in my systems. Is there an IRC room for that?
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06:16<petemc>!zeroconf
06:16<dpkg>[zeroconf] Zero Configuration Networking is a set of techniques that automatically create a usable IP network without configuration or special servers. This allows unknowledgeable users to connect computers, networked printers, and other items together and expect them to work automatically. http://wiki.debian.org/ZeroConf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroconf http://www.dns-sd.org/
06:17<adema>has someone ever used nss-mysql-bg ?
06:17<adema>'cause i'd like to so something a bit strange and i don't know if it's possible
06:17<adema>i have a user define in /etc/passwd and a group define in the mysql db, and i'd like to add this user to this group
06:18<adema>but i would to store this information in the mysql db, not in the /etc/group file
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06:32<Slydder1>http://xkcd.com/676/
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07:09<locklace>!qotd0
07:09<dpkg><concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password
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07:28<Insayne>hello
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07:29<Insayne>Is there a way to "upgrade" a certain package itself (like, the PHP one) ?
07:29<jm_>yes
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07:30<Insayne>is it also possible to revert on error?
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08:00<Moise>Hi all :)
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08:06<isikarianto>computer? touch thought ocean song? hi dead everyone
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08:59<francisco>hi
08:59<francisco>hi
08:59<jmm>hi .
09:00<francisco>back track user?
09:00<themill>!bt4
09:00<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
09:00<jlj>what is the proper way to run a script after say 10 minutes of inactivity in X? do I have to run a special deamon?
09:01<francisco>me too
09:01<jmm>jlj: use xscreensaver .
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09:01<jm_>jlj: I use xautolock
09:02<jlj>jmm/jm_: ok thanks, I'll check them out
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09:13<lfaraone>I sent an email to debian-newmaint 20 minutes ago, and it hasn't shown up in the archives. Should I resend it? (I'm not subscribed to the list)
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09:32<zeev>I tried to install mediawiki on my debian squeeze and didn't work, nothing was installed into /var/www rather I got smth. in /var/lib... is it ok? how should I access it?
09:33<migue>hello
09:33<zeev>in lenny mediawiki was installed into /var/www/mediawiki
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09:35<oneveu>Hello...
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09:35<migue>do anybody know about spanish channel on debian on irc?
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09:36<themill>!es
09:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:36<migue>oneveu: hi!
09:36<migue>dpkg: thanks! :D
09:36<dpkg>migue: no problem
09:36<themill>zeev: istr /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/README.Debian.gz (also NEWS.Debian) discusses this. An Alias would be the normal way to approach this.
09:37<oneveu>Hi Migue...
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09:38<zeev>thank you
09:39<oneveu>I installed testing squeeze on my computer and I am a new (french) guy on Debian.
09:39<BlackFate>!gr
09:39<dpkg>Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net).
09:41<oneveu>I just want to know something : If anyone has compiz with the kernel 2.6.32 and a graphic chipset of the R600 family on testing squeeze ?
09:41<oneveu>Sorry if my english is not good.
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09:44<seanius>oneveu: i have i believe a 2.6.32 with an R780, i think
09:45<seanius>or maybe it was R800
09:45<oneveu>Thank you... The R800 family is very very new...
09:45<oneveu>And Compiz works ?
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09:46<seanius>it's an integrated hd4200 (ma785 motherbord). yeah i think compiz works, though i might have had to pull some drivers from git
09:48<oneveu>OK, thank you very much... I will try on my PC.
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09:49<seanius>worst case you have to reboot, right? :)
09:49<oneveu>That's it :) Thank you for your time, have a nice day.
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09:53<macsim>hi, I have a strange issue with a raid5, when I do cfdisk /dev/hdb I can see there is a /dev/hdb1 (RAID auto detect) but they is no hdb1 in /dev/, if I write the partition table now I can see the hdb1 in /dev any idea ?
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09:53<macsim>if I reboot I loose again hdb1 in /dev
09:53<macsim>and I have to write again to see it
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09:57<akatsuki>what irc server should i prefer for high traffic website (debian offcourse)
09:58<akatsuki>security is the main concern
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10:13<estelita>hola
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10:13<estelita>alguien hay alguien que hable español?
10:13<locklace>!es
10:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:15<estelita>hello
10:17<estelita>do speak spanish? english?
10:17<locklace>!en
10:17<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
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10:19<bja>estelita: Puedes por favor conectarte al canal #debian-es
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10:20<estelita>me voy
10:20<estelita>bye adios
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10:59<trapo>hola
10:59<nothingmore>!es
10:59<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:59<trapo>acabo de instalar firefox en debian pero no puedo hacerlo correr, alguien em ayuda?
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11:06<squiddy>my friend have a laptop with ICS active, i want to get connected to it. the problem is, i have to set my wifi connection IP to static. how do i do that ?
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11:08<petemc>squiddy: do you use network manager ?
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11:09<squiddy>petemc: yes i do. but the settings i've made was changed to roaming mode somehow. i cant get it to static
11:10<petemc>well, if you're using network manager, you should just be able to configure the address with that too
11:10<petemc>as to whether it will work, i think nm can be flakey
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11:12<squiddy>hmm, it just weird that the nm settings always back to roaming mode. i think i'll try it again tomorrow
11:13<squiddy>thanks petemc
11:13<petemc>didnt help much, but np
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11:35<oggi>hallo everybody! I would like to ask if someone knows which channel should I use concerning few question about installing debian
11:35<petemc>this one
11:35<oggi>super
11:35<oggi>so... I have HP laptop, cd/dvd player is death
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11:37<oggi>I tried to install it from USB flash disk, but it won't go without internet connection
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11:37<petemc>oggi: do you have a wired ethernet connection
11:37<petemc>?
11:38<oggi>yes I have, but it doesn't work during installation
11:38<oggi>i have wirelles too, same problem
11:38<petemc>oggi: how did you configure the wired connection?
11:38<oggi>i didn't
11:39<petemc>so how do you expect it to work?
11:39<oggi>i hoped it will be set up automaticily
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11:39<oggi>it tried at least
11:39<petemc>did the installer ask you about network connections?
11:39<oggi>he offered me to set it up manualy
11:39<oggi>but i'm not expert in those things
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11:40<petemc>do you have a dhcp server on your network?
11:40<oggi>it complained about "not dhcp"
11:40<oggi>all other computers work without problems on that lan
11:40<oggi>without any manual work
11:41<oggi>like Win XP, Mint, debian also - but on desktop
11:41<oggi>not on laptop
11:41<petemc>if you have the mind cd there, try that to see if the network works
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11:42<oggi>wirelles works with mint
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11:42<oggi>through the same modem/ruter
11:42<petemc>wireless isnt easy to configure for the installer
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11:43<oggi>is there any way that i can obtain network parameters from windows and use them during debian installation
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11:45<petemc>yes, but if dhcp doesnt work then theres a good chance a static address wont work
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11:45<petemc>but ipconfig within a cmd prompt in windows will tell you the info you need
11:45<oggi>i'll try now
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11:47<oggi>ok, i see the results
11:47<oggi>wirelles has some number for standardgateway, but ethernet no
11:48<oggi>because ehhernet doesn't work in vista too
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11:48<petemc>oggi: you can configure a gateway yourself
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11:49<oggi>how?
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11:49<petemc>well, you can use a static address as you know, or get the address via dhcp and then add a gateway from a shell on alt - f2
11:49<petemc>try the static address
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11:51<oggi>well, the problem is that I don't know much about those "network" things
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11:51<petemc>now seems like a good time to learn
11:52<oggi>please
11:52<petemc>but fwiw, all you need to do is transcribe a series of numbers
11:52<oggi>ok, i'm ready
11:52<petemc>great, get to it!
11:53<oggi>pen and paper ready...
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11:53<petemc>if you're waiting for me to tell you something you might be waiting a while, i dont know how your network is configured
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11:54<petemc>copy the settings from a working machine, as we discussed
11:54<oggi>ok
11:55<oggi>so, i'll write here the results of "ipconfig" from a XP maschine
11:55<petemc>no
11:55<oggi>no?
11:55<petemc>try thinking for yourself
11:56<oggi>ok, from this laptop, but here works only wirelles
11:56<petemc>the wireless network may differ from the wired network, may be safer to copy the settings from a machine with a wired connection
11:57<oggi>than i'll copy the settings from XP machine that works ok with wired net?
11:58<petemc>when i said "no" , i meant dont copy them here, we dont need to know
11:58<petemc>but yes, copy the settings from another wired connection, you'll have to adjust one part of the ip address, obviously..
11:58<oggi>aha :)
11:58<oggi>ok, i'm back in a few minutes
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12:03<oggi>petemc: ok, i have IP address, subnetmask and standardgateway from another machine
12:05<petemc>right, so now when the installer asks do you want to configure network manually you'll know what to do
12:05<oggi>i say "no" :)
12:05<petemc>erm
12:05<jthomas_sb>is anyone else having trouble with apt/aptitude connecting to security.debian.org ?
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12:06<oggi>ok, so i now know what to use for standardgateway,
12:07<oggi>but what ip addres should i use
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12:08<jthomas_sb>do you have many machines on your network? if not, just increment the other IP Address by one and its a good chance you won't have conflicts. Otherwise, look into the DHCP Server to see what is in use, or at the list which you keep for statically-assigned IPs
12:09<petemc>oggi: the same one as the other machine
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12:10<oggi>there are 3 desktop machines, all under XP at the moment, but sometimes one of it is on debian
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12:11<jorge>ola
12:11<jorge>ola
12:12<retrospectacus>!ask
12:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
12:12<jorge>como te va
12:13<oggi>well, thanks, that was my intention, but petemc answer immidiately and we started to chat
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12:15<oggi>i can't install debian from cd/dvd because my cd/dvd reader doesn't work, I tried from usb flash using unetbootin but it just starts from usb and asks for cd again, I tried it with net-install from usb but I couldn't set up internet connection
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12:16<oggi>I wanted to ask if there is any debian usb installer that works from usb and not using internet connection
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12:19<jorge>gjgg
12:20<jorge>como
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12:21<oggi>ok, I'm going to try agin, that means i'll be away for a while. Thanks petemc and thanks to everybody! Bye!
12:21<[Jason]>Good luck
12:21<oggi>I'll be back.
12:22<retrospectacus>famous last words
12:22<oggi>:)
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12:58<Eragon>Hi!
12:58<langosta>Eragon: hi
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12:59<Eragon>May I ask pre-install questions here?
13:00<retrospectacus>go for it
13:00<cahoot>at least if it concerns debian install
13:00<Eragon>I haven't found the answer on the website. I wish to try Debian,
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13:00<Eragon>But I already have Windows XP,
13:01<Eragon>Will I be able to run them both in the same time?
13:01<Eragon>(Not run them both, To install them both)
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13:02<Eragon>And if I can - Do I need to install them on separate drives?
13:02<retrospectacus>yes, you can dual-boot. You will need free space on a hard disk, on which to install debian.
13:02<retrospectacus>separate partitions
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13:03<Eragon>Ok, thank you. So just to burn the installation, insert, reboot, and install on different partition? any other special preparation needed?
13:04<retrospectacus>should be good
13:04<Eragon>Ok, Thank you - I'm going to try it. Goodbye :)
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13:07<Eragon>Oh, and one last question,
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13:08<Eragon>I see I can download either a 4.4GB version (for DVD) and 650MB (for CD), Is there any difference between them?
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13:08<cahoot>Eragon: got a wired connection?
13:08<retrospectacus>the DVD has many more packages available on it. If you choose the CD, and want those packages, they will be downloaded from the Internet
13:08<jthomas_sb>the available/installed packages; there is also a net-install which is even smaller and comes with very little
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13:09<Eragon>I got a wired connection.
13:09<Eragon>Ok,
13:09<cahoot>go for the netinstall then
13:09<avi_>just installed lenny. time/date won't adjust or save. suggestions?
13:09<Eragon>If I download, I only need to download the "CD-1" - the other ones are only for extra packages, correct?
13:10<jthomas_sb>cahoot, really? Eragon, unless you know what to install and what you're doing, the net-install won't be so easy to use
13:10<retrospectacus>correct
13:10<Eragon>Ok, I'll start downloading the CD-1 and install it, Thank you for your kind support :)
13:10<cahoot>jthomas_sb: ok let's add a IMO each
13:10<retrospectacus>they are all the same "easiness to use" - netinst will just take longer, downloading packages
13:11<avi_>net install took me 2-1/2 hrs on broadband
13:11<jthomas_sb>yeah i suppose you can pick various pre-selected environments, but i don't like the options so I never do, making my use of the net-install more complex. normal net-install will prob be fine.
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13:12<jthomas_sb>Eragon i highly recommend going with the Lenny (stable) version; I've not seen good results from the Squeeze (testing) installer. IMO. YMMV.
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13:13<Eragon>I downloaded from here,
13:13<Eragon>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/
13:13<Eragon>debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso - Correct?
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13:13<jthomas_sb>perfect
13:13<Eragon>Great, 15 minutes left :)
13:13<avi_>so can anyone help me with time/date problems?
13:14<jthomas_sb>i think, at least... anyone else know, will Eragon need the other CDs beyond #1 ?
13:14<jthomas_sb>avi_ whats up?
13:14<jlj>\quit
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13:14<avi_>installed lenny, time/date keeps me in africa (i'm in phoenix), won't adjust
13:14<philipp>hi
13:15<philipp>hi
13:15<avi_>welcome
13:15<jthomas_sb>avi_ can you manually edit (as root) /etc/timezone ?
13:15<avi_>no go as root - manual keeps zeroing out
13:15<philipp>i need to go bye
13:15<jthomas_sb>what do you mean?
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13:16<jthomas_sb>avi_ what do you mean, zeroing out ?
13:16<avi_>when i manually adjust as root, the time numbers go back to zero and area back to africa.
13:16<jthomas_sb>as root can you run tzselect or tzconfig ?
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13:16<avi_>i will do that and get back momentarilly
13:16<kbad1>is the default gcc on lenny supposed to not have ssp?
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13:20<avi_>tzconfig worked, thanks much. apparently the gnome applet is screwy
13:20<jthomas_sb>great to hear it.
13:20<avi_>its a wonderful world
13:21<jthomas_sb>better with KDE tho ;)
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13:21<CIRO>server irc.freenode.net
13:21<avi_>kde has too much stuff going on for me.
13:21<retrospectacus>free software and community support makes for a wonderful world
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13:22<jthomas_sb>no doubt, retrospectacus.
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13:22<avi_>try to convince the world though.....
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13:25<jthomas_sb>I need some support, speaking of... I have a pre-Lenny server which was running Sid when it last got *some* updates. I need to install a newer kernel only but keep the rest as similar as possible, but any attempt to apt-get or aptitude anything fails with, 'dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.' I agree, the system doesn't have an 'ldconfig', any suggestions to getting this functioning?
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13:28<kbad1>it's part of libc6
13:29<adb>jthomas_sb, upgrade it to lenny, pre lenny systems has no security updates ..
13:29<jthomas_sb>we need it only as a reference platform, its not a used box at all
13:29<adb>and you says it's a server ..
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13:29<jthomas_sb>well, its a Dell server hardware
13:30<kbad1>etch has support at least until 2/15/10
13:30<kbad1>btw
13:30<oggi>well, I'm back
13:30<josuay>debian needs new versioning system, post Lenny: packaging LvZ... suggestion
13:31<jthomas_sb>with either Etch or Lenny sources, I cannot install anything
13:31<kbad1>you might be able to wget the libc6 deb and install with dpkg
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13:32<retrospectacus>oggi: hooray! I forget what you were doing, but how did it go?
13:32<jthomas_sb>lol
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13:32<oggi>I'm back just to give it a chance to die once more
13:33<oggi>well, I used debian CD1 .iso and put it on a usb flash disk with unetbootin
13:33<oggi>and it didn't worked
13:33<oggi>it still asks to load instaler components from the cd
13:34<oggi>even if I boot from usb
13:34<oggi>and i can't pass that step
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13:35<oggi>last night, actualy today in the mornint (since I tried all night long) I did get to the point when it asks for network
13:35<jthomas_sb>kbad1 i wgot the Etch libc6 and tried to install but still getting, 'dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH.'
13:35<oggi>but I'm not sure any more with what .iso image i have done that
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13:36<oggi>this one was net-install, ~100MB,
13:36<jthomas_sb>and i cannot seem to update apt whenever I have security.debian.org in the sources list
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13:37<oggi>Does anybody knows for a debian installer that works from usb and doesn't use CD/DVD at all?
13:38<dr|z3d>oggi: Tried the net installer?
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13:39<themill>jthomas_sb: does /sbin/ldconfig exist?
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13:39<jthomas_sb>themill no, it doesn't
13:39<jthomas_sb>thats the issue
13:40<oggi>yes, this .iso that i have just used is net-installer, but the first thing after setting language and keyboard layout is to ask for CD in order to load installer components
13:40<kbad1>you'll have to copy it over from somewhere
13:40<kbad1>are you running 32 or 64?
13:40<kbad1>and what version of libc6 are you using
13:40<kbad1>dpkg -l libc6
13:40<dpkg>ii libc6 1.4-5.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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13:40<themill>jthomas_sb: this can also be caused by people having stupid $PATH set, just checking
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13:40<jthomas_sb>32bit; 2.7-10
13:40<kbad1>that's a really old version
13:41<jthomas_sb>yep, good thing to check
13:41<jthomas_sb>oh, i know.
13:41<themill>that's not pre-etch, that's just out of date lenny
13:41<kbad1>that's pre-sarge even
13:41<themill>kbad1: umm... no
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13:41<jthomas_sb>it was at one time a server used to make images for other servers, but it got odd updates due to idunnowhat. now we want to get rid of the setup but we want to have a working image first, and i need to get that sorted to do so.
13:42<kbad1>what is with the description though
13:43<themill>kbad1: dpkg is a bot. It's making fun of you.
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13:43<jthomas_sb>bad bot, dpkg
13:44<themill>!botspank
13:44<dpkg>oi, stop that
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13:48<kbad1>http://blackprecipice.com/dl/ldconfig
13:48<Guest176>hi!!
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13:49<ananan>holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
13:49<bja>!es
13:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:49<kbad1>jthomas_sb: you can try wgetting that and sticking it at /sbin/ldconfig
13:49<jthomas_sb>will that work? I'll try it, but if its not a part of a package I fear it'll make a mess
13:49<ananan>i'm not es...
13:49<oggi>well, i just found some setup.exe on net-install image and started it. It seems it has installed grub and debian installer on hd, and asks for reboot. That's it men, I'm going there once more.
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13:49<ananan>eheh
13:49<ananan>.exe??
13:49<ananan>O_O
13:49<kbad1>well, you have libc6
13:49<ananan>but this is not a linux channell???
13:49<ananan>O_o
13:50<kbad1>that file is supposed to be part of that package
13:50<ananan>obviously
13:50<ananan>:P
13:50<jthomas_sb>ananan i thing that is like the Ubuntu windows installer, ported for Debian?
13:50<oggi>yes, I did it from windows
13:50<ananan>oh no
13:50<ananan>i can't read that word...
13:50<ananan>...windows...
13:50<ananan>oooh
13:50<ananan>-.-"
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13:50<themill>ananan: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with? Also, please lay off the enter key.
13:50<bja>!tell ananan about ask
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13:50<oggi>well, I MUST read it since I can't install debian,
13:51<bja>!tell ananan about enter
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13:51<ananan>??
13:51<oggi>ok than, whish me luck
13:51<oggi>bye
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13:52<jthomas_sb>luck
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13:54<kbad1>I can't seem to get ssp working for the life of me on my lenny box, gcc should be fine since it's 4.3, I'm guessing it's because of my libc?
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13:55<rjent>Greetings, looking for help with hostapd. The log file says deauthenticated due to inactivity, but I do not understand how to prevent. I am fairly sure there is activity.
13:55<rjent>s/file/syslog file/
13:56<bja>kbad1: from gcc "Still 118 regressions in 4.3, 88 in 4.4 and 115 in 4.5 (ssb)
13:57<bja>kbad1: try a different version of gcc to see if it compiles correctly if so, you hitted one
13:57<kbad1>i tried 4.1 and 4.2 and got the same results
13:57<kbad1>even when compiled with -fstack-protector-all stack smashing protection doesn't kick in
13:58<kbad1>it works perfectly on etch with 4.1
13:59<bja>kbad1: Dependencies from one to another have changed? Maybe you run into a regression on a lib.
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13:59<kbad1>maybe, looks like it's time for some more investigation
14:00<Zathraz>hi. I need to burn a file > 4GB to a DVD from commandline and be able to read the disc on WinXP. What can I do?
14:00<Zathraz>filesize of growisofs seems limited to 4 GB
14:00<dr|z3d>Zathraz: apt-cache search dvd |grep burn
14:00<Zathraz>it's a virtualharddisk. zip is no options
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14:01<Zathraz>dr|z3d, the problem is not finding a burn tool. The problem is filesizes over 4 GB
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14:02<oggi>nothing again, now i have grub that lets me boot into Vista or debian net-installer that doesn't work without cd
14:02<bja>Zathraz: try an ntfs external drive
14:03<Zathraz>bja, yes, that is an obvious one, But I do not have one. And I kind of need a solution now
14:03<bja>samba and a network connection
14:03<bja>putty and sshd
14:04<dr|z3d>ftp.
14:04<dr|z3d>Run a server on the winbox, or locally on Debian. East enough.
14:04<dr|z3d>*easy
14:05<Zathraz>I need either to put files on an USB stick (FAT) or on DVD. To take elsewhere. Networking is not a solution unfortunately
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14:08<bja>Zathraz: afaik zip has a split option, that should solve the problem
14:08<retrospectacus>Zathraz: ntfs on usb would work
14:08<bja>you can burn multiple dvd or whatever media you intend to use
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14:09<Zathraz>formating an u3 stick to ntfs now :-(
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14:11<jthomas_sb>are you sad about the NTFS, or the fact that you have u3?
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14:11<Zathraz>lol
14:12<Zathraz>more sad to have to use private stuff for business purposes
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14:13<teliparas>has anyone any good car dictionry with car names in order to use it with airolib-ng ?
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14:23<A1Q1>hi
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14:45<jthomas_sb>kbad1, themill, others — i got my install working, thanks for the support. I was somehow missing both the ldconfig file and also /etc/init.d/glibc.sh which I copied from a Lenny system. Seems to be working now... my newer kernel has installed with minimal issues, rebooting that box now, we'll see if it comes up! thanks all!!
14:45<jthomas_sb>apt-get install -f has nothing to do, I like the looks of that!
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14:50<jthomas_sb>rebooted fine. thanks again all.
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15:18<sander>Hi, im running lenny x86_64, and i have problem with all java jre appz, they just start and hang in a few moments... im pretty sure, i have all neccesary packs installed... any suggestions?
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15:23<Zathraz>sander, run them from console and check their output. Usually their is some dumping with java apps that crash
15:23<Zathraz>might be that you have the wrong jre
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15:26<sander>Zathraz, i've tried two appz, arduino ide and sql power architect, both them will start for ~1 second( i can see graphical UI ), and then hang/crash...
15:26<sander>in log, there is nothing interesting.... sadly
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15:28<damiano>salve
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15:33<lord-carlos>i there, I dont know what i did, but after one minute not using the System my screen gets Black. I am using debian testing with kde4. All kde power setting are tourned off, so i *think* it's not KDEs fault
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15:36<retrospectacus>!screen blanking
15:36<dpkg>somebody said screen blanking was you can control screen blanking in console via setterm -blank (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via "xset -dpms", xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. If console-tools package is installed, permanent console blanking adjustments can be made by editing /etc/console-tools/config.
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15:40<lord-carlos>thanks
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15:42<argkde4>what tells X to be on vt8?
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15:46<retrospectacus>the default is 7; if it's in use it will use 8 - not sure "what tells it"
15:46<lord-carlos>retrospectacus: i did "setterm -blank" and "xset -dpms", it did not work. The screen still gets blank
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15:46<argkde4>its weird, its on 8 but 7 is unused
15:46<ikkerus>test
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15:47<ikkerus>Are you getting my messages in this channel?
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15:47<retrospectacus>ikkerus:yes
15:47<argkde4>ps shows "/usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt8 -auth ..."
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15:47<locklace>lord-carlos: xset q
15:48<lord-carlos>teh .. now i am restarting. But i will try in a bit
15:48<ikkerus>retrospectacus: thank you. I'm running smuxi-server on NSLU2 (linksys if you know) and I don't know whether it runs well ;)
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15:52<ComradeHaz>Hi all. in a situation such as: "libggadget-qt-1.0-0a: Conflicts: libggadget-qt-1.0-0 but 0.11.1-1 is installed." where I clearly need to remove 1.0-0 and install 1.0-0a how do I do that without removing the former and it also remiving any dependant packages?
15:52<oggi_>Hallo again! I need help once more. I'm trying to install debian completely from usb flash disk (no cd/dvd, no LAN). I'm following tutorial from Installation Manual and need to use command "mkdosfs" which belogns to package "dosfstools". I have installed that package with Synaptics, but when i type the command in terminal it says : command not found. Any help?
15:53<ComradeHaz>is there a way of saying in one operation remove this and install that and aptitude realsing the latter satisfies the dependancies of the former?
15:53<bja>oggi_: have you tried to run that command as root?
15:54<oggi_>not sure, wait a bit
15:54<locklace>ComradeHaz: man aptitude | less '+/^ +install'
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15:56<ComradeHaz>o.O
15:56<lord-carlos>retrospectacus, locklace The screen does not get black after restart.
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15:57<lord-carlos>has alsa-conf been taking out of debian in testing?
15:57<oggi_>it works in root's terminal :) Anyway, it says: "mkdosfs: /dev/sdb1 contains a mounted file system." Is that message ok?
15:57<ComradeHaz>Not sure what you were hoping that would show me locklace, nothing there leaps out at me as answering my question
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15:58<locklace>ComradeHaz: aptitude install this- that+
15:58<oggi_>bja: are you seeing this as a red text?
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15:59<ComradeHaz>ooh, is it really that simple?!
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15:59*ComradeHaz tries
15:59<bja>oggi_: What do you mean?
15:59<retrospectacus>oggi_: not ok... unmount it
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16:00<oggi_>bja: i'm using this first time today, and I see when people write my nick in front of the text, I see it as a red on my screen
16:01<retrospectacus>it depends what IRC client the person is using, oggi_
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16:01<oggi_>XChat in my case
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16:02<oggi_>I just thougt that I could make the message more visible to the receiver in that way
16:02<lord-carlos>is there an easy way to select an other sound card with alsa under debian testing?
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16:03<bja>oggi_: That is part of your clients configuration.
16:03<oggi_>aha, thanks
16:03<oggi_>ok, i'll continue with my bussiness
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16:07<Nemoder>lord-carlos: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards
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16:08<Nemoder>generally most apps let you choose which device to use though
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16:10<lord-carlos>thanks Nemoder. I will try that.
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16:12<lord-carlos>Nemoder: if i edit etc/modprobe.d/sound .. is index=0 the "first" card alsa will use? Or the card with highest index number?
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16:19<tp43>debian rules
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16:20<tp43>oh shit, I am having a heart angina
16:20<tp43>must be a clogged artery
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16:20<tp43>the end is near, near than you think my friends, near indeed, lol
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16:36<edbian>I can I implement a guest account in debian??
16:37<locklace>vi works well
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16:41<edbian>Is there a way to implement a guest account using NIS?
16:42<locklace>if you're using nis
16:43<kbad1>nis is pretty old, probably ldap would be better these days
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16:43<locklace>"ldap would be better" - words i thought i'd never hear
16:44<kbad1>heh
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16:49<nowhere_man>Hi all
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16:50<nowhere_man>am I hallucinating or are all flash player 10 versions from Adobe really the version 9?!
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16:50<nowhere_man>I even tried 10.1 beta 2, and in firefox it reports as "9.0 r260"
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16:58<edbian>Is there a proper way to implement a guest account using NIS? If I simply add a guest user and then that user logs in two places at once there is an obvious problem
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17:00<locklace>there is?
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17:03<hakanbey>i installed awn with synaptic package manager but i couldn't start it:( how can i start awn? i clicked avn from the Applicationa->Accessories but nothing happen
17:03<hakanbey>awn=avant window navigator
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17:05<hakanbey>do asking me; is there awn at the accessories? if so, yes there is
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17:06<bremner>mozilla
17:06<edbian>locklace: Some programs won't open more than once. Firefox for example
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17:15<Nazcafan>hello
17:15<Nazcafan>I am running squeeze and I recently updated xorg
17:15<Nazcafan>the fonts have then changed dramatically
17:15<Nazcafan>they are smaller
17:16<bja>!enter
17:16<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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17:18<Nazcafan>bja, I am sorry, I'll try to improve my punctuation. What I noticed is that now fonts are smaller, and some fonts (such as in the "please help us banner" in wikipedia) are much lighter (too light, maybe) and less legible. Did you notice this too ?
17:18<locklace>edbian: iceweasel -a my_unique_session_id
17:18<edbian>locklace: Thanks :)
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17:19<sdk>Quick question. I want to output a file to a TCP port. I think what I want is netcat, but can't figure out how to write the command. I'd like to stream a log file to a port for reading by a web page. Can anyone offer ideas or help?
17:21<locklace>!fgi sdk netcat-examples
17:21<dpkg>sdk: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=netcat-examples
17:21<sdk>Something like 'tail -f <file> > nc -p 14451
17:22<sdk>locklace: Heh, well put, thanks.
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17:22<tp43>Nazcafan, hit ctrl +
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17:23<Nazcafan>tp43, did I mention that all my fonts in gnome where smaller?
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17:23<knoppix_>guten abend
17:23<oggi_>Booting problems. I tried to make usb-based installer following the Installation manual. When the comp starts booting from usb it says "MBR FA: " and the cursor blinks but no response from keyboard. Just hangs. What should I do?
17:24<tp43>Nazcafan, maybe you good change the resolution
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17:24<kbad1>sounds like the bootloader isn't installed in the mbr
17:24<tp43>Nazcafan, you can increase the fonts in the look and feel option
17:24<Nazcafan>tp43, I run the screen native resolution
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17:24<kbad1>try reinstalling grub/syslinux/isolinux on the usb stick
17:25<tp43>Nazcafan, I hate these small and grey fonts these days too, its not just linux, all the computers are like that now
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17:25<oggi_>kbad1: I have tried with "syslinux /dev/sdb1", that goes without errors, and then "install-mbr /dev/sdb" but all the same
17:25<Nazcafan>tp43, It was not like this 2 hours ago, with the old xorg
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17:26<user__>hooii
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17:27<tp43>Nazcafan, goto preference and appearence, or what it is is for gnome, I am using kde these days, but it is easy to change the fonts in gnome too
17:27<oggi_>could I use any other bootloader instead of syslinux
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17:27<Nazcafan>tp43, that does not solve the light font issue
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17:27<hakanbey>can anyone help me about awn?
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17:28<Nazcafan>tp43, i'll send you two screenshots before and after
17:28<tp43>Nazcafan, put it all to bold
17:28<kbad1>I've made usb boot drives that use grub but they weren't based off the debian installer
17:28<tp43>Nazcafan, how are you gonna send them?
17:28<Nazcafan>tp43, by mail, just give me your address, I can print them tomorrow at work
17:29<tp43>Nazcafan, I believe you
17:29<kbad1>have you tried using unetbootin and selecting the image from the drop down menu of distros?
17:29<Nazcafan>tp43, with some luck, I can get to a harbour and find a good clipper to send them
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17:30<tp43>Nazcafan, you can transfer images over irc here
17:30<Nazcafan>oh really?
17:30<oggi_>kbad1: yes, but it doesn't work for me, because there isn't debian installer, only debian-live
17:30<kbad1>boo
17:30<tp43>Nazcafan, I can't remember how though, let start by makeing a direct chat, and then you can send the file to me direct
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17:31<oggi_>kbad1: the cd/dvd on my laptop is dead, and I have network issues during installation, that's why I'm trying to do that from usb
17:31<tp43>Nazcafan, this is how: /DCC SEND buddy foo.jpg
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17:32<oggi_>how can I put grub on usb instead of syslinux
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17:43<ikkerus>oggi_: use the super grub disk ;)
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18:11<yang_>i can't install python2.6-gtk2 , the is not package for it.
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18:17<retrospectacus>!tell yang_ -about smart questions
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18:26<kbad1>eek!
18:26<kbad1># ./print-canary buggy
18:26<kbad1>canary value: ff0a000000000000
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18:28<oggi_>ikkerus: you're the king! after two days it seems that my laptop is installing debian from usb
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18:29<oggi_>i must go off now...
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18:32<retrospectacus>kbad1: what?
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18:32<kbad1>libc6 isn't compiled with —enable-stackguard-randomization
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18:33<kbad1>meaning predictable stack canaries
18:34<zeus>Hi all, i'm configuring amavis and i'm looking for /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf. But in lenny there is no file in this path. any tips ?
18:34*retrospectacus smile and noe
18:34*retrospectacus smile and nod
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18:35<rooisto47>hi everybody
18:36<rooisto47>I have and only one question : how can I generate a repository (in one local folder) from the debian .isos I have ?
18:38<zeus>rooisto47: man apt-proxy
18:38<rooisto47>and I'll get o
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18:39<gsimmons>zeus: /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf is a legacy configuration file, see /usr/share/doc/amavisd-new/README.Debian regarding configuration layout.
18:39<rooisto47>zeus: and I'll get "only one folder" containing the pool, dist.... folders ?( I have 30 ISOs )
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18:39<daniela>hi
18:40<daniela>these people ??
18:40<zeus>gsimmons: thankyou !
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18:41<zeus>rooisto47: it's a little bit complicated but it will let you do what you need
18:42<rooisto47>ok I'll try
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18:43<user01>whats the difference between environment variables and environment settings?
18:45<user01>the difference between the list items if i type env as opposed to set
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18:47<locklace>user01: type "foo=1", compare the set and env outputs, then "export foo" and compare again
18:50<user01>locklace, set is session temporary?
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18:52<locklace>user01: unexported variables live only in the shell instance where they're set. to make a "real" environment variable that's inherited by subprocesses called from the shell, export is required
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18:54<user01>locklace, oh . . . so unset removes the env?
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18:54<locklace>unset removes a variable, regardless of export status
18:55<user01>locklace, ok thanks!
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19:02<rooisto47>now you can join #debiandz
19:04<bja>!beer locklace
19:04*dpkg deftly decants a fine Piraat for locklace
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19:11<user01>locklace, mmm wait, so i thought that if i did foo=1 and did "set | grep foo" it would appear and then would disappear if i closed the terminal, but I thought that if i did "foo=1" export foo, then closed the terminal, it would still there when i reopened the terminal?
19:11<user01>but env | grep "foo" shows nothing
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19:12<locklace>user01: no. if you want variables to persist across shell sessions, you have to set them explicitly in one of your shell's init files
19:13<bja>for bash it would be .bashrc for zsh it would be .zshrc
19:13<latenal>Hello! this is the first time i use linux and i failed to find how to configure my video card. I have HP Pavilion 6910us with NVIDIA GeForce 7150M / nForce 630M. Please, help me
19:13<user01>locklace, ok then i guess i dont see the practical difference between foo=1 and then exporting foo=1
19:14<locklace>or .bash_profile; bash has totally brain-dead startup file handling so you have to understand exactly how it works to avoid shooting yourself in the foot
19:14<bja>!tell latenal about nvidia
19:14<locklace>user01: the difference is whether the variable appears in the environment of subprocesses (external commands and programs) run from the shell
19:15<locklace>user01: for example, env itself is an external program, so no var that isn't exported can appear in its output. set on the other hand is a shell-internal command
19:16<user01>locklace, oh which i why echo $foo works with simply foo=1
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19:17<user01>since echo is a shell command
19:18<locklace>user01: actually not in that case because echo is a shell command, but because the "$foo" in the command line is expanded by the shell itself before the command is run
19:18<locklace>user01: to see this, compare with "/bin/echo $foo"
19:19<user01>it says the same thing
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19:19<locklace>quite
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19:24<oggi>Hello again! I managed to install debian from usb, using bootabile usb flash disk and debian-503-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso. I selected [x]Desktop, [x]Laptop and something else as installation options and didn't have internet connection during instalation. Now, debian starts in terminal (no GUI). How can I start KDE?
19:24<sney`>startx
19:24<szymon>Hello! I have a question. I am going to install Oracle DB 10.2 on Debian Lenny, but script that installs oracle shows me error because this is not supported distro. I know that somewhere is a file that contains distro version, but i dont know where to find it. Do you know where to search for it?
19:25<oggi>snay: yes, but that doesn't bring KDE but something more rudimentary
19:25<abrotman>szymon: what is the error ?
19:25<sney`>oggi: hmm, aptitude install kde-desktop
19:25<szymon>hecking operating system version: must be redhat-3, SuSE-9, redhat-4, UnitedLinux-1.0, asianux-1 or asianux-2
19:25<szymon> Failed <<<<
19:25<bja>oggi: try running kdm
19:26<oggi>bja: ok, i'll try
19:26<abrotman>szymon: right, but it has a script to check .. and it may do something like look in /etc/redhat-release
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19:27<bja>szymon: grep redhat-4 */* :)
19:27<bja>will search for it on all files under the dirs you have
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19:27<szymon>abrotman, i will try! thanx
19:28<bja>not the best solution but it will give you a start
19:28<szymon>bja, thanx too!
19:28<abrotman>szymon: a long time ago, i forced oracle onto uh .. sarge .. it was .. interesting
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19:28<oggi>bja: command not found
19:28<abrotman>oggi: so install it
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19:30<bja>oggi: you need to install as sney` said kde is not fully installed
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19:31<oggi>i don't have network, only bootable usb flash disk wiht amd64-kde.iso
19:31<abrotman>oggi: it's probably on that ISO
19:31<bja>oggi: there is a program that lets you download the program from a connected machine
19:32<oggi>i'll try from usb
19:32<icutty>I just installed some new programs using the Add/Remove Programs software.. How do I get the programs to show in the menu? I see some do but most don't? Any tips/suggestions?
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19:34<abrotman>icutty: in ubuntu ?
19:34<icutty>I'm using BackTrack4
19:34<abrotman>icutty: ask #remote-exploit on irc.freenode.net
19:34<oggi>bja: it asks for a cd, not usb
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19:34<icutty>Okay, thanks!
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19:35<bja>oggi: check your souces.list
19:36<oggi>in what directory is that?
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19:37<bja>/etc/apt/sources.list
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19:38<oggi>bja: deb cdrom:[bla bla......] and two internet sites
19:38<oggi>how can i add usb (/dev/sdb1 in my case)?
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19:40<abrotman>is it the ISO, or the contents of the ISO ?
19:40<abrotman>apt-cdrom .. usually
19:40<oggi>ISO image
19:41<Dudu>hello
19:42<Dudu>help
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19:43<abrotman>!ask
19:43<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
19:43<Dudu>i want to by a motherboard for core quad someone con tell-me a model???
19:44<abrotman>Dudu: try ##hardware on irc.freenode.net .. this channel is for Debian support
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19:45<oggi>abrotman: where shoud i type apt-cdrom and with what options?
19:45<abrotman>man apt-cdrom
19:45<bja>oggi: man apt-cdrom will answear that
19:46<bja>oggi: i was thinking of a different program, i just can't recall the name yet
19:48<bja>oggi: gdebi
19:48<oggi>so "apt-cdrom -d /dev/sdb1" should do the job?
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19:52<bja>oggi: Can't help you there, i haven't used it, i was thinking of gdebi which i believe is what you need
19:52<bja>!tell oggi about gdebi
19:53<oggi>what's debi?
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19:53<colby>who
19:54<oggi>bja: ok, I found it on wikipedia, but my problem is that i must retreive packages from usb
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19:54<colby>help
19:55<oggi>is there any way that i can tell to aptitude that my debian .iso image is actually on a usb
19:55<colby>help
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19:56<rooisto471>zeus you said little bit complicated for apt-proxy, in reality man apt-proxy don't tell much so it 's very complicated
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19:57<colby>Anyone have a little time to spare to help me with some stuff?
19:57<retrospectacus>!tell colby -about ask
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19:59<rooisto471>can someone help me to create a locale repository (from the .ISOs a have) I wanna gather all packages in one repository hierarchy
19:59<colby>Not sure if I will be able to find help for it here but I'm trying to set up a server for a MUD and quite possibly some websites. I was getting some help from a friend with packages I would need etc but now I'm a little lost.
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20:01<mercutio22>Hi, where should I look for oftc staff?
20:01<llimeht>mercutio22: #oftc
20:01<mercutio22>llimeht: thanks
20:02<bja>oggi: make a backup copy of sources.list and then use the line you posted earlier, then see what happens
20:03<oggi>it says that there is an error in that line "could not read source"
20:04<bja>oggi: use the mounting point of the usb
20:04<oggi>what do you mean exactly?
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20:05<bja>oggi: mount the usb on a directory and use that as the path to be read by apt
20:05<oggi>ok
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20:08<rooisto471>no one have an idea on how to make that repo from iso images ?
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20:09<oggi>I wrote "deb cdrom: /mnt and get error :"Malformed line 5 in source ..... (dist parse)"
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20:09<rooisto471>no not like this
20:10<oggi>than how?
20:10<rooisto471>oggi: I one make one folder which will contain all the packages present in the iso images (in a debian repository hierarchy )
20:10<llimeht>or use apt-cdrom
20:11<llimeht>(with a loopback mount of the iso image if you want)
20:11<rooisto471>how can I use it ?
20:11<oggi>my .iso is on a usb flash disk because my cd/dvd player doesn't work
20:12<oggi>i want to tell aptitude to use that .iso from a usb but i don't know how
20:12<rooisto471>oh that's easy look
20:13<rooisto471>first you have to mount your iso
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20:14<oggi>rooisto: my .iso is on a usb and usb is /dev/sdb1 and is mounted on a /mnt
20:14<rooisto471>as root : mount /path/yourImage.iso -t iso9660 -o loop,ro /you/mount/point/
20:15<rooisto471>ok so just create a folder anywhere
20:15<rooisto471>mkdir ~/mycd
20:15<rooisto471>type that and then
20:15<oggi>ok, mkdir /home/mycd
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20:16<rooisto471>/home/yourlogin/mycd
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20:17<rooisto471> as root : mount /mnt/yourImage.iso -t iso9660 -o loop,ro ~/mycd/
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20:18<rooisto471>after that add this line to your /etc/apt/source.list file
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20:18<oggi>ok, i mounted it
20:19<oggi>what's the magic line?
20:19<rooisto471>cool now you can see all the iso files and directories isn't it ?
20:19<rooisto471>in ~/mycd
20:19<oggi>yes
20:19<rooisto471>ok what your distrib ?
20:20<rooisto471>stable testing or unstable ?
20:20<oggi>debian 5.03 stable with kde
20:20<oggi>i think
20:21<oggi>does 'current' mean 'stable'?
20:21<rooisto471>ok so this is the line to add : deb file:///home/yourlogin/mycd/ stable main
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20:21<rooisto471>yes and no (it means the current edition)
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20:22<rooisto471>what's the exact .iso name ?
20:23<oggi>debian-503-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso
20:23<rooisto471>ok it's stable
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20:24<oggi>ok, i started aptitude install again and it says "Please insert the disc...."
20:24<rooisto471>add deb file:///home/yourlogin/mycd/ stable main to the sources.list file
20:24<oggi>are those 3 back-slashes ok in the magic line
20:25<rooisto471>no you should do an aptitude update before
20:25<oggi>should i maybe delete old cd entry in sources.list
20:25<rooisto471>can you copy/past your sources.list
20:26<oggi>because, after update it asks again for cd
20:26<rooisto471>yes it's probably that don't delet just comment andding #
20:26<oggi>ok
20:26<rooisto471>aptitude update ?
20:27<oggi>done that, and it is working something now
20:27<oggi>:)
20:28<rooisto471>:>
20:28<oggi>whoah man, i've been doing this almost 3 days
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20:29<rooisto471>^^
20:29<rooisto471>enjoy
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20:32<oggi>well, now it complain about some firmware
20:32<oggi>wirelles drivers i think
20:33<oggi>i hope it'll finish the instalation of kde without them
20:35<rooisto471>euh... normally there is no relation between wireless and desktop no ?
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20:41<oggi>yes, but it takes few minutes to jump from one problem to another, it just hangs between wireless problems and has com to /class/input/input21 up to now. It consumes a lot of time doing nothing....
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20:42<oggi>i think that it actualy won't go further, it just counts attempts to retreive something from the internet
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20:43<rooisto471>why you don't use internet ?
20:43<oggi>it won't connect
20:43<rooisto471>oh !
20:44<oggi>that's why i'm doing all this with usb
20:44<rooisto471>what's the problem with that ?
20:44<oggi>don't know
20:44<rooisto471>can you copy/past your sources.list ?
20:44<oggi>all others computers connect without problem
20:45<oggi>i can't at the moment since it's installing
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20:46<oggi>network resources are not the problem, but something with the LAN configuration
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20:46<rooisto471>ok can you do that for me cat
20:46<rooisto471>sorry
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20:47<rooisto471>cat /etc/apt/sources.list > ~/mysources.txt
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20:48<oggi>ok, as soon as this is finished, i'm writing this from another comp.
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20:48<rooisto471>type this and you'll get a copy of the sources.list in the home folder open copy past
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20:49<oggi>can i skip this error in anyway, it just goes and goes, now it is ....input26... I have a feeling it'll go forever
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20:51<rooisto471>Ctrl + c to quite
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20:51<rooisto471>show me your sources.list to see if it's all right
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20:52<oggi>I interrupted it with Enter and typed "kdm" and kde is running :))))
20:52<oggi>thanks man!
20:53<rooisto471>coool
20:53<oggi>you're the KING!
20:53<rooisto471>lol thanks
20:53<rooisto471>I'm far of this man
20:54<oggi>thank you
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20:54<oggi>i had a lot of problems with this last few days
20:54<rooisto471>you're welcome
20:54<oggi>and now... finaly...!
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20:55<oggi>well, i still have to get network working on that damn laptop, but i'll leave it for another day
20:55<oggi>it's 3 AM here
20:56<oggi>and i went to bed in 8 AM yesterday
20:56<rooisto471>yes
20:56<rooisto471>euh
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20:56<rooisto471>were are you from oggi
20:56<rooisto471>?
20:56<oggi>living in vienna, Austria,
20:57<oggi>at the moment
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20:57<oggi>and you?
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21:03<rooisto471>you get my private msgs ?
21:03<rooisto471>*got
21:03<oggi>who me? no
21:04<rooisto471>what are you using for IRC ?
21:04<oggi>XChat in linux
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21:05<oggi>i'm using it for the first time today
21:05<oggi>not quite familiar with it
21:06<rooisto471>ok normally it opens a tab when receiving a new private msg
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21:17<ddalton>hi im trying to dual boot my asus eeepc with debian and windows however, there are already 4 partitions on the disk. is there anything i should delete?
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21:21<ddalton>hmm there is a partition of about 100 gb size with two files: sysem volume information and recicle.bin or something similar are these safe to be removed?
21:21<ddalton>system volume*
21:21<ddalton>(will windows keep working?)
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21:28<CoCo-_-Bear>Is the Debian.org webmaster here? I'd like to report a broken link which someone else reported on the mailing lists in 09/2009:
21:28<CoCo-_-Bear>on page: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#refcard this link is broken: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf
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21:29<CoCo-_-Bear>Another page links to an updated reference manual but no card in PDF form is available, please fix this and make an updated PDF link be available for this document, thanks
21:33<CoCo-_-Bear>That said, I have a question: After I've downloaded and burned a Debian DVD image and verified the .iso hash prior, is there a list of hashes I may download to check against the burnt iso's directories files to check burnt integrity?
21:33<CoCo-_-Bear>Prior to installation.
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21:36<oggi>Good night to everybody!
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21:36<dvs>CoCo-_-Bear: The installation should ask you if you want to verify the DVD
21:37<gsimmons>CoCo-_-Bear: The reference card issue is still outstanding. You can alternatively acquire these from http://xinocat.com/refcard/
21:37<philipwnz>How can I chown a dir and its subdirs + all the files in it, i'm trying with chown -R . but that doesn't seem to change the subdirs
21:38<CoCo-_-Bear>gsimmons: thank you, may someone please update the debian.org page with a message as you've given me so others may not feel bad until it's replaced?
21:38<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: thanks, what if I do not trust the burnt installation DVD and wish to verify the binaries on it against a list of hashes, where would I find these?
21:39<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: I've had trojaned windows burning software, freeware at that, compromise an iso before it burned it, whereas the iso before I loaded it to burn checked out fine with md hash
21:39<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: I installed said media before and my install was hacked bad
21:40<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: I wish to avoid this by verifying the hashes on the dvd after booting from a separate trusted debian live cd
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21:40<dvs>CoCo-_-Bear: download the MD5SUM file and check against those
21:40<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: is there a large MD5SUM file for the DVD contents of all packages inside?
21:41<CoCo-_-Bear>such a recursive file for md5sums could and should be made
21:41<CoCo-_-Bear>unless it already exists, which I'm hoping :D
21:42<dvs>CoCo-_-Bear: Why would you want to verify each file when the MD5SUM file will verify the entire DVD at one time?
21:43<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: it will verify it after I've burned it?
21:43<CoCo-_-Bear>I thought md5s for isos were only for prior to burning verification of said iso
21:43<CoCo-_-Bear>once iso is burned, how do you verify it against the md5 for the iso?
21:43<rooisto471>can you help me make a locale repository with an amount of debian.iso ?
21:44<dvs>CoCo-_-Bear: I'm not sure how to do it after the DVD is burned.
21:44<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: this is my dillema.
21:44<chealer>CoCo-_-Bear: there is no "Debian webmaster". you may want to report a bug against the www.debian.org pseudopackage
21:44<dvs>CoCo-_-Bear: you could make the DVD image back into a file and verify against that.
21:44<CoCo-_-Bear>chealer: oh? thanks!
21:45<CoCo-_-Bear>dvs: I guess this would be the quickest way if no recursive md5sum file for a burned iso exists, thanks!
21:47<dvs>np
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21:54<CoCo-_-Bear>lol @ http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48943 "
21:54<CoCo-_-Bear>distrowatch distro position script"
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21:55<CoCo-_-Bear>posted by a mod, no less.. amusing
21:55<cotoi>how i change my static ip from root?
21:56<abrotman>!tell cotoi about interfaces
21:56<cotoi>!tell
21:56<abrotman>see what the bot told you in msg
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22:02<hachi>what's the debian way for configuring a different frame buffer driver?
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22:06<rooisto471>have you a good manner
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22:16<rooisto471>good night everybody
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22:18<altaira>Hi there. I'm running gnome on squeeze. When I plug my NTFS formatted external hard drive it is auto mounted as an NTFS partition. How can I change the partition type to ntfs-3g or fuse-ntfs?
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22:22<hachi>does anyone know how to switch from the vesa framebuffer driver without recompiling?
22:22<hachi>I see the other drivers are compiled as modules, but I can't figure out how you ask it to switch
22:23<cotoi>how can i protect from flooding?
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22:27<cotoi>how i shut down the sistem from root?
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22:29<abrotman>cotoi: poweroff
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22:46<edd_villarroel>hey
22:46<edd_villarroel>hablan espa;ol??
22:47<edd_villarroel>como se usa estooo
22:47<edd_villarroel>nuevo en linux
22:47<edd_villarroel>y novato en esto de irc
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22:48<edd_villarroel>hey
22:48<adb>!es
22:48<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:49<edd_villarroel>Gracias
22:49<adb>yw
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23:41<muppet>has anyone here made a custom package for #exim? I'm having issues in that it's not making a dir under the debian dir for it and so is failing the build. :/
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23:58<muppet>AH-HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Heeeehehehehehehehehe! *chrotle*
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