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---Logopened Fri Jan 29 00:00:09 2010
00:00<hyperhacker>ha
00:00<sney`>I use sudo. it appeals to my core laziness.
00:00<hyperhacker>let me put it this way, I rewrite R4300 machine code for fun
00:00<d3co>:D
00:01<hyperhacker>I guess capitalization at least would help though
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00:02<HyperHacker>say, why did Debian insist on spending several hours wiping my entire hard disk before installing? >.>
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00:03<HyperHacker>and then it finally finishes that and gets to installing the base system, so I head out... come back and it's stopped at 13% to ask for info
00:03<HyperHacker>like couldn't it have asked before it started, or continued the other tasks in the background?
00:03<HyperHacker>the whole process took probably 10 hours
00:04<HyperHacker>nice that it went ahead and updated itself and installed MP3 codecs and so on though :-p
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00:09<d3co>!bye
00:09<dpkg>Cya, d3co
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00:18<diego465375>Hi, I kinda newb regarding debian in console mode and I would like to know if there's a development ide in console like turbo c++
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00:19<cesurasean>how do i find out what ip is showing as my REAL dns info right now? im getting the wrong ip when connecting to a site...
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00:20<ml|>you mean the correct ip?
00:20<cesurasean>yes
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00:21<ml|>getent hosts google.com for example
00:22<cesurasean>192.168.1.110
00:22<cesurasean>how do i change this ip?
00:22<cesurasean>that it's returning. my bind files are not showing this ip address...
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00:23<ml|>what is that ip fro from?
00:23<ml|>*for
00:23<kevix1>192.168.1.110 is not routeable, its local to your network
00:23<cesurasean>i need to fix the internal ip
00:23<cesurasean>i want that to reflect a public ip
00:24<cesurasean>my /etc/bind files are not showing this internal ip, either.
00:24<kevix1>most folks get the local ip after connecting to a cable/dsl modem via dhcp
00:24<cesurasean>kevix1, im very aware of that.
00:24<cesurasean>kevix1, i use static routing.
00:24<ml|>cesurasean: what are you try to do?
00:25<kevix1>computer ->(private ip)modem->(public ip)internet
00:25<cesurasean>ml|, my bind address is wrong. showing 110. i think this needs to reflect the actual ip of the server, or an external
00:25<cesurasean>the ip address is wrong
00:26<cesurasean>ive checked /etc/hosts, and /etc/network/interfaces, as well as /etc/bind
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00:26<cesurasean>do i need to just wait until propagation is finished?
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00:28<ml|>using dynamic dns?
00:28<cesurasean>yes
00:28<cesurasean>well
00:28<cesurasean>yes, i believe so.
00:29<HyperHacker>new xkcd's finally up
00:29<cesurasean>ml|, where is this ip address coming from? the /etc/bind files?
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00:30<ml|>cesurasean: dunno, this is as far as I can help you; good luck
00:31<cesurasean>ok, it's a propagation issue. thank god.
00:31<ml|>working now?
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00:46<teage>Hi, I install compiz. How do i enable it?
00:48<HyperHacker>run "compiz --replace"
00:48<HyperHacker>try it in a terminal first to see if you get any important messages
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00:50<teage>HyperHacker: I did that but i got a error and my windows bars disappear.
00:51<teage>had to reboot
00:52<teage>i will try again and paste what it is telling me.
00:52<teage>ebian:/home/teage# compiz --replace
00:52<teage>Checking for Xgl: not present.
00:52<teage>No whitelisted driver found
00:52<teage>aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
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00:53<HyperHacker>you don't have to reboot if you do it in the terminal, just Ctrl+C and then if necessary start your old window manager again
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00:53<teage_>sorry
00:53<HyperHacker>Xgl not present suggests your drivers don't support it, but in Xfce, I had it saying that just because compositing wasn't enabled in window manager settings
00:54<teage_>huh.
00:54<HyperHacker>whoops let me repeat that... you don't have to reboot if you do it in the terminal, just Ctrl+C and then if necessary start your old window manager again
00:54<HyperHacker>in this case you'd Ctrl+C and then if your borders don't come back do metacity --replace
00:55<teage_>weird cuz, on this same machine i was running ubuntu and it worked. I wonder how they manage it and i cant?
00:56<kevix1>ubuntu enable support for non-free drivers
00:56<HyperHacker>video driver issue? works on both for me, after installing the drivers
00:56<teage_>I have googled this and found nothing to help. Guess i will keep looking. Its really no big deal really. But it would be nice.
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00:56<teage_>kevix1:yes
00:57<HyperHacker>what video card?
00:57<teage_>nvidia
00:57<teage_>driver that is
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00:57<teage_>yes...says graphics by nvidia
00:57<HyperHacker>woah I just broke the wobbly windows effect though
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00:58<HyperHacker>got a web browser stuck in a corner bouncing
00:58*HyperHacker just turns that silly effect off >.>
00:58<kevix1>as an example, on my laptop under ubuntu, wifi worked on the live cd, but on debian I had to install a non-free package for firmware, but then it worked
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00:58<HyperHacker>anyway http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers is what I did to set mine up just an hour or two ago
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00:59<HyperHacker>Ubuntu does make it easier to get some of these things yeah... I found they're also rather lacking in support and manage to break sound again with every version
00:59<khades>damn
00:59<khades>i want nouveau
00:59<HyperHacker>when 9.10 broke it again and nobody could fix it, and a bunch of bugs from previous versions reappeared, I said enough of this nonsense
00:59<kevix1>HyperHacker: well its pulse audio, yikes
01:00<jm_>you need bits from experimental for nouveau
01:00<teage_>Yes Ubuntu does make it easier..but it runs rather slower on my machine
01:00<HyperHacker>does PA work on Debian? >.>
01:00<sney`>PA?
01:00<khades>that new nvidia drivers aren't working good with my onboard graphics
01:00<HyperHacker>PulseAudio
01:00<khades>HyperHacker: ye
01:00<sney`>I think so
01:00<sney`>ubuntu trades stability for always having newer things available
01:00<kevix1>luckily my lappy has intel video
01:01<sney`>debian stable may be a little behind, but you can bet your ass that it works
01:01<HyperHacker>I'm always hearing it works great on some distros and poorly on others, but I want it because the client-server model just makes so much sense for audio :-p
01:01<sney`>ubuntu not so much
01:01<khades>ubuntu is debian for pussies
01:01<HyperHacker>sney, that's not what I found... on Ubuntu I was always finding that the latest versions in the repos weren't the latest versions available
01:02<teage_>How does kde run under debian?
01:02<teage_>sux with ubuntu
01:02<khades>teage_: also as in slackware
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01:02<sney`>well, if pulseaudio works well in ubuntu, chances are good that you can make it work in debian. you might need to mangle some settings, but the support should be there
01:02<khades>perfectly
01:02<sney`>teage_: I've only run it on new hardware, but seems good from this end
01:02<sney`>new-ish anyway
01:02<HyperHacker>KDE heh... never liked it myself
01:02<teage_>sney: are you speaking of the compiz?
01:02<sney`>yeah I'm not a fan either, it's on my fiancee's desktop :0)
01:02<HyperHacker>been using Xfce for the longest time, trying Gnome now... much less customization I'm finding :(
01:03<khades>i am using awesome2
01:03<sney`>so use xfce again! it's in apt you know
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01:03<sney`>I don't like gnome either
01:03<khades>Desktop enviroment? what for?
01:03<HyperHacker>well I've only been using Gnome for like 45 minutes, that's hardly fair :-p
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01:03<sney`>teage_: compiz support will vary greatly depending on your graphics hardware
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01:03<HyperHacker>sney, he said it worked on Ubuntu, so no reason it shouldn't work on anything else
01:04<sney`>and you're not going to see *huge* performance differences between debian and ubuntu
01:04<sney`>yeah, but he also said it was slow
01:04<sney`>oh I guess he just said it 'sux'
01:04<sney`>never mind
01:04<teage_>compiz worked very smooth with karmic. seems i should be able to set it up here as well.
01:04<khades>ubuntu is bit faster cause of sume core optimisation
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01:04<khades>but all theese optimisations are neglected by all that software automaticly installed
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01:04<teage_>im rather new to debian. but like it.
01:05<khades>ye, debian is good
01:05<khades>specially after arch
01:05<sney`>they probably just set the kernel latency lower, you could do that yourself if you wanted ... but it's not a huge difference really
01:05<khades>i never will leave it
01:05<khades>sney`: i have enough low latency to work with sound in realtime with stock kernel
01:05<sney`>I always come back to debian, I used it on and off for several years since the 2.2 kernel
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01:06<sney`>had a bunch of sparc hardware for a while that was better with gentoo but this time i think I'm back for good
01:06<khades>have and amd64
01:07<khades>maybe the most perfect disto for that
01:07<kevix1>http://wiki.debian.org/BSP2010/NewYorkCity
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01:09<sney`>if I still lived there I might go to that, even though I can't code my way out of a wet paper bag
01:09<sney`>just to nerd out
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01:09<teage>yep,,control c
01:09<teage>froze me up
01:10<sney`>irssi?
01:10<kevix1>there are other cities but I think they are in europe
01:10<sney`>probably.
01:10<teage>HyperHacker: can you give me that link again please?
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01:11<sney`>a friend of mine is a Notable FreeBSD Developer(tm) and he's gone to a similar shindig in Ottawa a few times, and the NetBSD guy lives in my city, maybe I should become a BSD guy instead! ...naaah
01:11<teage>I wonder if i can get my driver from my windows cd?
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01:12<kevix1>teage: why hardware support are you missing?
01:12<HyperHacker>http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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01:12<teage>thanz
01:13<teage>im missing my graphics driver
01:13<teage>i think
01:13<sney`>aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
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01:14<sney`>teage: if you run those commands as root, it should work. the windows cd will not have anything useful for you
01:14<teage>Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed.
01:14<teage>uhh
01:15<sney`>oh, do you have non-free and contrib in your sources.list?
01:15<teage>let me check
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01:16<sney`>they would just go after 'main' in your ftp.xx.debian.org line near the top
01:16<jm_>note that newer nvidia chips are not supported by the version in stable, you need the one from sid
01:16<teage>only ones unchecked are Non-DFSG-compatible Software (non-free) and Source code.
01:17<sney`>you need non-free for the nvidia drivers
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01:17<teage>jm_: if that is my case. I would just add the repo, right?
01:17<jm_>teage: which card do you have?
01:19<teage>Im not sure jm_
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01:19<jm_>teage: run lspci
01:19<HyperHacker>oh lovely X doesn't see my extra mouse buttons
01:19<sney`>add 'em
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01:20<HyperHacker>how else besides Option "Buttons" "10"?
01:20<teage>VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 (rev a2)
01:20<teage>i think thats it
01:20<sney`>that's old enough that lenny should support it fine
01:20<jm_>that is supported by stable driver
01:21<sney`>just gotta check off the non-free and source repos so apt can get at them
01:21<teage>ok
01:21<teage>apt is working
01:21<HyperHacker>that too I guess I'll have to extract from the old xorg.conf when TrueCrypt decides to work
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01:24<teage>if i wanted to update my graphics card, which i have thought about doing, are you saying its not a good idea under lenny?
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01:25<jm_>it's realtively easy to upgrade nvidia driver
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01:27<teage>ok, i will try compiz --replace again
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01:28<teage>checking for Xgl: not present and also says No whitelisted driver found.
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01:29<teage>and if i control c it will freeze up and i will be rebooting
01:29<goodger>I have been trying to enable hardware acceleration on this notebook for some hours --- can anyone offer some help? xorg.conf is configured exactly as it should be, and glxinfo reports DRI is working, but without fail the system will choose the software rasterizer over the 3D accelerator chip :/
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01:31<goodger>this is a radeon 7000, xorg.conf is as shown in http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ATI_Mobility_Radeon_7000 - DRI mode is set to 0660, various packages and drivers are installed
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01:32<sney`>including xserver-xorg-video-ati I presu
01:32<sney`>me
01:32<goodger>yep
01:33<sney`>what happens when you run glxgears
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01:33<goodger>it runs at an ever-increasing framerate...
01:34<sney`>ballpark quantity?
01:34<goodger>oh, no, it's settled down at 160fps
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01:34<sney`>160 hmm that sounds like software
01:34<goodger>yes, it does
01:34<sney`>can you pastebin all of glxinfo somewhere
01:35<goodger>I would have thought the renderer string being "software rasterizer" was a better clue
01:35<goodger>http://pastebin.ca/1770426
01:36<sney`>hmm.
01:36<goodger>indeed!
01:38<sney`>got libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed?
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01:39<goodger>sney`: yep
01:39<sney`>oho, i just found something on the debian wiki
01:39<sney`>what kernel are you running?
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01:40<goodger_>here are my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/1770427 and Xorg.log.0 for good measure: http://pastebin.ca/1770429 --- on a related note, I could swear that this DSL connection has gained sentience and a dislike for me
01:41<sney`>possibly. what kernel are you running?
01:41<goodger_>and I've missed anything after "oho"
01:41<goodger_>2.6.32-trunk, but this was the case on various 2.6.2x as well
01:42<sney`>you need the linux-firmware package to support ati gpus past kernel version 2.6.29
01:42<goodger_>I'm seeing no such package in the repositories
01:42<goodger_>do you mean firmware-linux?
01:43<sney`>yeah, they probably changed it
01:43<goodger_>which incidentally is installed, or at least firmware-linux-free
01:43<sney`>you need the non-free ones as well
01:43<Torsten_W>but you need firmware-linux-nonfree
01:43<goodger_>I shall try installing firmware-linux-nonfree, but I'm pretty sure this driver is meant to be free
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01:44<Torsten_W>the driver, yes, the firmware, no
01:44<goodger_>so it would seem
01:44<sney`>total freeness is the ultimate goal though of course
01:44<goodger_>how irritating.
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01:44<sney`>at least we can repo it instead of having to deal with ati installers or something
01:44<goodger_>quite
01:45<goodger_>is there a non-hassle way to insert this into the running kernel or is it easier to shutdown r
01:45<goodger_>*sigh*
01:45<goodger_>shutdown -r?
01:45<goodger_>oh, it seems I'm being given a new initramfs, so that answers that
01:46<sney`>I was going to guess that you could shut down X, rmmod radeon, and modprobe radeon again, but maybe not
01:46<goodger_>I shall return shortly, then
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01:49<Chameleon>i have a question how stable and secure is Debian ?
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01:49<jerryclunsford>Can some one tell where to look to correct a problem: I am running lenny amd 64 I have two user names set up. recently my primary user lost the hisghest resolution setting and refresh rate, My secondary still has all three resolutions and refresh rates
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01:50<sney`>Chameleon: Debian Stable is very stable. as for secure it depends on what you're doing. for a general purpose server it is very secure, but if you're in a situation where you're going to have a lot of penetration attempts you may want to look into something more customized
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01:52<jerryclunsford>I was referred to #gnome@gimp.net eariler but no one was there.
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01:52<Chameleon>sney' i want to just use chat programs e-mail ane web serfing also would like to install a game or 2 like a mmorpg
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01:52<sney`>Chameleon: it's perfectly fine for your purposes then.
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01:54<goodger>good news!
01:55<goodger>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R100 (RV100 4C59) 20090101 AGP 4x x86/MMX/SSE2 NO-TCL
01:55<jerryclunsford>Is here a channel better suited to this problem?
01:55<goodger>...now can you help me to stop it crashing the system whenever I load glxgears?
01:55<sney`>heh, don't run glxgears
01:55<Chameleon>sney' how about how customizeable is it or do i want something like slack,gentoo?
01:56<sney`>debian is very customizeable and the software repositories are among the largest of any distro
01:56<goodger>sney`: I would prefer to be able to use DRI applications without it crashing, if possible...
01:56<sney`>goodger: oh, so it's with more than just glxgears?
01:57<goodger>well, it was last time I tried to configure 3D acceleration
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01:57<Chameleon>sney' do you use any other distro other than debian?
01:58<goodger>Chameleon: the ` key is above tab
01:58<sney`>Chameleon: I have also used gentoo, slackware, LFS and ubuntu. I always come back to debian.
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01:59<Chameleon>goodger, i know iam tired been reading all day looking for the perfect distro for me
02:01<ak>Good morning! Whether there were you a problem in a kernel 2.6.32-trunk-686 with ADSL-connection (PPPoE). The modem a kernel sees, and pppoeconfig says that is not present Ethernet concentrators... In 2.6.30 all it was normally got. In Google anything about bugs 2.6.32-trunk-686+ADSL has not found: (Help please
02:01<sney`>!ru
02:01<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
02:01<Chameleon>sney` whay is that ? ive tryed all execpt LFS and i liked slackware and gentoo slackware it just was easy for me and gentoo was cool cuz of all of the doc's for it but takes way to long to install
02:02<jm_>ak: start by verifying if your network cards are detected and assigned the same interface names
02:02<sney`>Chameleon: debian has a big established community, the package tools are very solid, and it runs on almost anything. with those other systems if something broke I was on my own, at least here there's likely to be someone else with the same issue
02:02<Chameleon>sney` what i mean by easy for slackware is that the commands just stuck in my head
02:02<sney`>you get a lot of that here as well
02:03<ak>jm_ sudo ifconfig -a
02:03<ak>eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:15:f2:e8:57:f0
02:03<ak> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
02:03<ak> RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
02:03<ak> TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
02:03-!-ak was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
02:03<sney`>anyway, gotta run
02:03<Chameleon>:(
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02:03<jm_>ak: 1. no pasting here, 2. you don't need to use sudo for ifconfig, regular user can run it
02:03<Chameleon>bye sney` thx for quick info
02:04<ak>Sorry
02:05<ak>The usb modem- eth1
02:05<Chameleon>any one know of a channel that has ppl that use all different distros ?
02:05<jm_>ahh it's usb modem, maybe the problem is there
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02:06<ak>jm_: With it not to time there were no problems. (kernel 2.6.25-2.6.31)
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02:07<jm_>ak: did you check if there are any messages reported by the kernel?
02:07<jm_>(dmesg command)
02:07<ak>But in debian squeeze there was this strange error which I never met
02:07<ak>jm_, one minute
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02:09<kubyz>good morning everybody :))
02:10<Chameleon>good morning kubyz
02:10<ak>http://paste.debian.net/57959/plain/57959
02:10<Chameleon>care for a chat
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02:11<jerryclunsford>can any one tell me where to look to correct a missing screen resolution on one user only my other user has all three resolutions and refresh rates. Or tell me of a channel better suited to the subject.
02:12<jerryclunsford>I assume that it is a config problem but don't know where the config file is.
02:13<ak>jm_ http://paste.debian.net/57959/plain/57959
02:13<jm_>ak: how about kernel does it say anything?
02:14<goodger>jerryclunsford: check that all of the resolutions are appearing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
02:14<ak>jm_:The last 4 lines in http://paste.debian.net/57959/plain/57959
02:14<jerryclunsford>goodger:Thanks
02:14<jm_>jerryclunsford: xorg logfile shall list details of what has been detected, or 'xrandr -q' command
02:15<jm_>ak: that's not from kernel, run dmesg command
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02:16<ak>jm_, Ok, reboot....
02:16<jm_>ak: why reboot?
02:16<ak>in kernel 2.6.32
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02:16<jm_>ok, also compare dmesg for working and non-working kernels
02:16<ak>jm_ I now on a kernel 2.6.30
02:17<jm_>ak: and it's working? save dmesg -- dmesg > /var/tmp/dmesg-2.6.30.txt
02:17<ak>jm_, yes, OK
02:17<jerryclunsford>there are no resolutions listed in etc/X11/xorg.config
02:18<jm_>just use 'xrandr -q' command
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02:20<ak>jm_ http://pastebin.ca/1770447
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02:21<jm_>ak: do the same in 2.6.32 (remember to not overwrite the old file)
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02:22<ak>jm_,reboot in 2.6.32, I quickly
02:22<jerryclunsford>It's back now
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02:24<jerryclunsford>don't know what how but it even has one resolution it didn't before.
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02:24<jerryclunsford>Goodger: Thanks for the help.
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02:26<andfreak>hi guys is there a way i can remove the black rectangle that appears while typing on listview ?
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02:28<ak>jm_ http://pastebin.ca/1770453
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02:34<ak>jm_: There are ideas?
02:34<jm_>ak: I see no errors, looks like it's eth1 and detected in both cases - if I were you I would tr to bisect this between 2.6.31 and 2.6.32
02:35<jm_>try*
02:36<ak>jm_: between 2.6.30 and 2.6.32. The kernel 2.6.31 in other distribution kit was
02:36<spindogs>hello
02:37<ak>jm_: How you think? It is a bug in a kernel?
02:38<spindogs>Is it possiable to install Debian onto an ATA drive connected to an ACard?
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02:38<jm_>ak: maybe
02:38<ak>jm_ This kernel becomes possible a kernel in stable release... In Google I have not found Bugs (2,6,32+PPPoE)
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02:38<jm_>ak: I am using 2.6.32 and pppoe (but not over USB modem) and it works fine for me
02:39<Tanstaafl>how would I fid out what created this? "ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device" it is poppint up in my xorg.0.log, and I don't know where it came from
02:39<ak>jm_, Even so... Clearly.
02:39<simonrvn>probably udev+hal+xorg
02:39<simonrvn>Tanstaafl: ^^^
02:39<ak>jm_ Thanks big for the help
02:39<Tanstaafl>ok
02:39<spindogs>I'm using a PowerMac AGP with an Encore 1GB pors. upgrade and 1.25GB memory
02:40<jm_>spindogs: what's an "ACard"?
02:40<andfreak>guys any help with black rectangle over listview ?
02:40<jm_>ak: no problem
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02:40<ak>jm_ :)
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02:41<spindogs>Parallel SCSI to allow larger than 128GB drives. Later PowerMacs don't have this limitation.
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02:42<Damian>is there any versions of debian that are around 512mb or less?
02:42<jm_>Damian: that's about enough for base install nowadays
02:42<jm_>hmm parallel scsi, that's bound to be slow
02:43<spindogs>ACard AEC-6280M ATA 133 Adapter for PCI Power Mac.
02:44<spindogs>The instller only sees the primary ATA buss.
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02:44<jm_>I guess first check would be to see if this controller is supported in the kernel
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02:51<goodger>OK, so it turns out debian live ships with grub 0.97
02:51<goodger>tremendous fun is therefore to be had trying to reinstall a wiped copy of grub 2 with it
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02:54<spindogs>I checked the Debian Installation HTTP guide. Can't find info. I'll keep digging. Thanks jm
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02:55<jm_>doh too late
02:56<panthera>goodger: the *lenny* images of course ship with grub.
02:57<ml|>goodger: /msg dpkg grml
02:57<panthera>in lenny, grub and grub-pc conflict, and since grub is default and not grub-pc, we choose grub and not grub-pc.
02:57<panthera>if you want grub-pc, you either use a newer image or build it yourself.
02:57<goodger>well, yes, this is obvious
02:58<goodger>I was, however, expecting to be able to chroot into squeeze without it taking quite severe objection
02:58<panthera>what 'objection'?
02:58<goodger>and so I have just manually booted my system with commands typed into a totally non-configured copy of grub 0.97 that debian live has somehow dumped into my MBR
02:59<goodger>when I typed grub-install /dev/sda it complained that /boot was not mounted
02:59<panthera>'debian live' doesn't dump anything.
02:59<panthera>you did install grub.
03:00<goodger>yes, but I can't remember how this copy of grub 0.97 came to be installed
03:00<panthera>apart from that, you should have used 'grub --root-dir=/mnt/chroot /dev/sda'
03:00<goodger>yes, I did that
03:00<panthera>but again, this is grub and you being using it, nothing to do with debian live.
03:00<goodger>it didn't work until I had erased the devicemap file on the mount
03:01<panthera>in such cases, you might want to use --recheck.
03:01<goodger>well, in any case, it's booted now, just about
03:02<goodger>and I have run grub-install /dev/sda from within the squeeze installation proper and it hasn't complained
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03:03<goodger>so my irritation at the chrooted grub-install failing for no apparent reason is much abated
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03:06<panthera>goodger: no, but my point is that it has nothing to do with debian-live as i understood you were implying at first,
03:06<panthera>goodger: and, if you have a problem with grub-install, you should take it up with the grub maintainers.
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03:18<diggy>!hi
03:18<dpkg>hello, diggy
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03:26<user>Hello :)
03:27-!-user is now known as Guest136
03:27<Guest136>I've downloaded and installed DebianLive (and using it right now)
03:27<Guest136>Problem is I'm unable to install any applications,
03:27<Guest136>I downloaded some packages but whenever I try to open them it says: "Archive Type Not Supported".
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03:28<Guest136>I've downloaded them from the official debian packages site
03:28<diggy>which application you instaling?
03:28<Guest136>For example, IceOwl
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03:28<Guest136>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=iceowl
03:28<Guest136>Downloaded the lenny.
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03:30<diggy>you've downloaded a deb file?
03:30<Guest136>Yes.
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03:31<diggy>and how you installing it, via dpkg or how?
03:31<Eragon>Double clicking it,
03:31<jm_>ahh it's eragon again :)
03:31<Eragon>Yes :)
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03:33<diggy>right click on package and choose "Install with..."
03:35<diggy>you opening it as archive
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03:35<Eragon>I don't have "Install With" so I click "Open with another application",
03:35<Eragon>Chose GDebi Package Installer,
03:35<jmm>hi.
03:35<Eragon>I see something flashing for a second then dissapears.
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03:38<ml|>just use gdebi package in cli
03:39<Eragon>I am going to eat, I'll be back soon
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03:46<mikee>hey guys, i have a small issue. I've accidentally deleted my /etc/X11 folder and now my x server will not start. Is there any way I could restore the /etc/X11 folder back to it's defaults, as if it would be a fresh install of xorg? Reinstalling xorg and x11-common, so far, did not restore the folder.
03:46<jm_>did you check X logfile?
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03:47<mikee>what am I supposed to look after?
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03:47<jm_>errors etc.
03:47<jm_>or put it on some pastebin
03:47<jm_>wait, the whole dir is gone, right that won't work
03:47<jm_>!confmiss
03:47<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
03:48<jm_>you need to install it like so
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03:48<mikee>alright, thank you
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04:18<Alpha_x>What are the kernel libraries do you need to install that isnt installed during a standard installation?
04:19<petemc>to do what?
04:19<Alpha_x>well I'm trying to install openLDAP
04:20<Alpha_x>but i keep getting kernel errors
04:20<petemc>the headers package to match your running kernel, probably
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04:20<petemc>is there not a packaged openldap that does what you need?
04:22<Alpha_x>I've just reinstalled the os I'm gonna se what errors i get.
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04:27<Eragon>Hi, back
04:28<Eragon>Is there any way to make a folder/partition be viewable and editable by both Windows XP and live-debian on USB flash drive?
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04:28<jm_>use a file system that works in both, depending on where you need to write it this may limit your choice
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04:33<Eragon>I have 2 hard drives and 1 flash drive plugged in my computer.
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04:33<Eragon>On one hard drive, there is windows XP, the other one is empty, and on the flash drive there is the debian
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04:34<Eragon>I plan to use the format the second hard drive so it will work in both of them,
04:34<Eragon>What's the recommended file system that will work in XP and Debian in your opinion?
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04:35<jm_>the easiest choice is fat32
04:35<prem>hi all
04:35<jm_>but that has limitations of course (max $G file size)
04:35<Eragon>4, i guess,
04:35<prem>is there any speech to text converter available in debian?
04:35<Eragon>What file system will work in both but will allow me bigger files?
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04:40<Eragon>Will UDF work on live debian?
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04:59<[fFf]>someone knows the package kde-core how is called in squeeze? I've found only kde-full but is not what I'm looking for....
05:00<OdyX>[fFf]: what are you looking for ?
05:00<[fFf]>the base kde desktop
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05:00<OdyX>kde-minimal
05:00<OdyX>!kde
05:00<dpkg>[kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels
05:01<[fFf]>I try, thanks! :)
05:01<ml|>dpkg: info kde-minimal
05:01<dpkg>kde-minimal: (the K Desktop Environment, minimal applications), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:55 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
05:02<OdyX>[fFf]: http://packages.debian.org/source/squeeze/meta-kde <- these are the metapackages. Choose the one that fits you best !
05:02<[fFf]>ok thanks
05:02<[fFf]>I'm reading it now
05:02<[fFf]>:)
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05:07<themill>!install kde4
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05:07<dpkg>The metapackage "kde-full" installs tons of stuff, "kde-minimal" the basic kde4 desktop. For more details on these metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html. As these packages are fairly new still, you will probably do better asking questions in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net).
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05:18<ml|>forgot about that factiod !beer themill
05:19<themill>bit early for me, but thanks :)
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05:22<ml|>safe it for later :)
05:22<ml|>*save
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05:22<jmm>the safest place for a beer is in my stomach.
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05:30<Elessar>Hello.
05:30<jmm>hi.
05:31<Elessar>I am trying to understand ucf. To handle a file, ucf takes two arguments, the name of the file as provided by the package, and the name it should be given for exploitation, does not it?
05:34<Elessar>Let us say a package installs /some/file.dist, and then, in postinst, ucf /some/file.dist /some/file. Is that the normal use?
05:35<jmm>infortunalty I don't know what is ucf.
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05:35<jm_>why not look at packages using ucf?
05:36<Elessar>I am looking at a package that uses ucf, and I think it is an incorrect use, that would be the cause of an annoying bug.
05:36<Elessar>Here is what it does:
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05:36<Elessar>Installs /some/file, and then, in postinst, ucf /some/file /some/file.
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05:37<Elessar>So here is what I suspect that happens on reinstall/upgrade: the unpacking overwrites the file, and ucf can nothing against that.
05:37<Elessar>As it is not given a temporary name.
05:38<Alpha_x>I'm trying to set up a samba domaincontroller but got stuck on typing this command: net groupmap modify ntgroup="Domain Admins" unixgroup=root. the guide Im following is for ubuntu though, is there a difference in the commande on debian?`
05:38<Alpha_x>Using this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/samba_domaincontroller_setup_ubuntu_6.10_p4
05:39<jm_>and /some/file is not marked as config file, yeah that would be bad
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05:39<Elessar>Marked as config file, no idea.
05:40<Elessar>It is not listed in debian/conffile, if it is that.
05:42<Alpha_x>NT group domain admins doesnt exist in mapping DB. How do I add this group?
05:42<jm_>yeah sounds like a bug to me, did you check BTS?
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05:52<Tanstaafl> /wc
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05:55<amol1>hi to all,which tool is used in debian.org to search package by giving either contents file or package name
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05:58<cfrabel_>Hi all
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05:59<cfrabel_>Installing squeeze from cd or dvd freezes on a compaq presario 2100 while its ok with lenny
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06:03<kenyon>!tell amol1 about apt-file
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06:11<OdyX>cfrabel_: reportbug installation-report
06:13<jm_>maybe try with the standard options when things hang (F# keys will list them)
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06:18<jmm>heh guys, when I launch sudo -s,
06:18<jmm>ew wrong window, sorry.
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06:20<amol1>kenyon, i want to know search tool which is used in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
06:21<amol1>using keyword it is searching specific packages
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06:26<andfreak>hi guys
06:27<andfreak>anyone has any idea regarding how to remove the black rectangle that appears when typing upon a listview ??
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06:27<amol1>i have installed apache and downloaded repository but want to add search tool .can anyone tell me which tool will be correct and how to
06:28<b_volber>hallo
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06:28<b_volber>hallo
06:28<p_engels>mnbmhjbkjgf
06:29<OdyX>!cn
06:29<dpkg>it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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06:32<amol1>jm_, which search engine is used in debian packages http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
06:32<amol1>i want to add search tool in my local repository
06:32<amol1>apt-file is command line tool
06:32<amol1>i want webbased
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06:37<fossiiil>Hello
06:37<bruno>hi
06:38<bruno>schreib bitte auf deutsch
06:38<locklace>!de
06:38<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
06:39<fossiiil>howto install Vidalia package on Debian Lenny?
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06:40<jm_>amol1: how would I know, probably some custom script
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06:44<fossiiil>!help
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07:56<jmm>I chew silex.
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08:00<vigneswari>hello all
08:00<amol1>in normal user windows partition doesn't get mounted if clicks on icon of disk gets error as permission denied
08:00<vigneswari>i have query about repository
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08:01<vigneswari>when generating indexes files in repository...
08:02<vigneswari>i am able to generate packages and sources files as different file for different architecture
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08:02<vigneswari>but i dont know how to generate contents file for different architectures
08:03<vigneswari>apt-ftparchive contents.. creates file with existing architectures together
08:03<vigneswari>will the same command help to generate as separate files
08:03<vigneswari>?
08:04<vigneswari>Am i asking in right channel? or is there any separate channel for debian repository
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08:07<mercutio22>am I the only one having problems with compiz being killed when stopping the screensaver? I found this: http://jsilva.komodoopenlab.com/blog/archives/187
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08:09<axos88>Hi! I'm getting the next message during boot even though I can mount the device manually:
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08:09<axos88>Mounting local filesystems...mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/tssdcarda1,
08:09<axos88> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
08:09<axos88> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
08:09<axos88>dmesg tail or so
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08:10<axos88>Hi! I'm getting the next message during boot even though I can mount the device manually:
08:10<axos88> Mounting local filesystems...mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/tssdcarda1,
08:10<axos88> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
08:10<axos88>I checked and at that time ext2 is in /proc/filesystems, and I can mount the device manually
08:10<axos88>(I inserted a bash call into the rcS.d
08:11<axos88>fstab contains: /dev/tssdcarda1 /home ext2 default 0 0
08:11<axos88>any ideas?
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08:12<jm_>axos88: perhaps it tries to mount it too early, some modules not loaded for example
08:12<knoppix_>hi
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08:13<axos88>jm_, I inserted a bash call just before mount-all.sh, and I can manually mount it at that time.. is it possible for the module to have not been initialized? (a lag of a few seconds)
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08:14<amol1>jm_other than fstab is there any way to auto mount and give access to normal user to use other partition of ntfs vfat type
08:14<jm_>axos88: did it still report the error even with your mount call? and this mount always works in first try?
08:14<axos88>jm_, no when I mount manually, everything is fine, always works at first try
08:15<jm_>axos88: check what kernel reports when mountall.sh reports an error
08:15<jmm>amol1: you could make a script shell that do it, and launch it on start ( or when you want ), but I don't see how it would be usefull.
08:15<axos88>jm_, in dmesg?
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08:15<jm_>amol1: there probably is with GNOME or KDE, but I don't know how ;)
08:15<jm_>axos88: yup
08:15<axos88>jm_, ok, let me check
08:15<jm_>amol1: I think it involves volume manager in gnome
08:16<amol1>volume manager gives access for after boot if external stoarge device connects not for other partition of harddisk
08:16<amol1>which is with ntfs
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08:17<axos88>jm_, umm... nothing
08:17<jm_>axos88: hmm that's puzzling
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08:18<jm_>amol1: autofs can also be used for on the fly mounting etc., but that's more or less similar to fstab
08:18<axos88>jm_, yeah... there is an entry just before, that it detected a card in slot a, and no card in slot b, and after that there are only the eth0 link up / link down messages
08:19<axos88>jm_, i need to mount my home directory from there :-s
08:19<jm_>axos88: it's rather interesting that your own mount before mountall.sh succeeds, but that one doesn't
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08:19<axos88>jm_, yeah... maybe I'll try a rmmod tssdcard; modprobe tssdcard;
08:20<prahal>hi . Trying to enable selinux on debian sid with a development upstream kernel (wireless-testing). I have selinux enabled for the filesystems I use in the kenerl but the selinux-basics init script check for selinuxfs in /proc/mounts ...
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08:21<axos88>jm_, if I put the module name in /etc/modules, that should be okay, right?
08:21<prahal>I tried adding "none /selinux selinuxfs defaults 0 0" to fstab but it ends up with no such filesystem type
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08:21<jm_>axos88: that means it should be loaded very early - don't forget to rebuild initrd if you use a debian kernel
08:21<prahal>but i see not such options in the kernel not anything about this fstab line (I got it from gentoo doc) on debian wiki or installed doc
08:22<prahal>so what is this selinuxfs that the init script checks for ?
08:22<axos88>jm_, I use a modified kernel... this is an embedded SBC with an ARM processor
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08:22<cfrabel_>OdyX, from another computer, is it possible to report a bug ?
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08:23<Yerzriknot>I can't connect to my wireless network
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08:23<Yerzriknot>nm-applet isn't showing ANY network
08:23<OdyX>cfrabel_: yes. Bugreports are just mails with special formatting.
08:23<OdyX>cfrabel_: if you have a Debian box, it's easier
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08:24<prahal>Yerzriknot, using a supported wireless item ?
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08:25<Yerzriknot>Yes
08:25<jm_>axos88: did you verify it's usign the same fstab in both cases?
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08:25<axos88>jm_, ?
08:25<axos88>jm_, what do u mean
08:26<prahal>Yerzriknot, try iwlist <your_wlan_identifier> scan" as root or via sudo
08:26<jm_>axos88: wait nevermind that's executed after initrd is done with, just ignore that
08:26<fossiiil>Where is openssl-dev ?
08:26<Yerzriknot>?
08:26<locklace>!u
08:26<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
08:26<Yerzriknot>What's <your_wlan_identifier>
08:26<jm_>fossiiil: same place that libssl is
08:27<prahal>Yerzriknot, also have you checked /var/log/syslog for any error message (ie could be a firmware missing)
08:27<Yerzriknot>How do I check that?
08:27<fossiiil>jm_: are you talking in riddles? i get: E: Couldn't find package openssl-dev
08:28<petemc>fossiiil: libssl-dev
08:28<jm_>fossiiil: no, apt-cache search libssl
08:28<prahal>Yerzriknot, with my wlan adapter it is wlan0 ... you can find out with "iwconfig" output
08:28<fossiiil>jm_: thanks...i overlooked it in apt-cache output :-|
08:28<Yerzriknot>Does that have to be run as root?
08:29<axos88>jm_, well I hacked around just putting a script containing "mount /dev/tssdcarda1 /home", it works now... but ugh!
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08:29<Yerzriknot>OK, I get...
08:29<Yerzriknot>iwconfig
08:29<Yerzriknot>lo no wireless extensions.
08:29<Yerzriknot>eth0 no wireless extensions.
08:29<prahal>Yerzriknot, /var/log/syslog is a text file . any text editor /viewer would do
08:30<prahal>ouch do not paste the full output there (pastebin)
08:30<prahal>if you want to
08:30<jm_>axos88: still puzzling why your mount works, the difference is that mountall does mount -a ...
08:30<axos88>jm_, maybe there really is a syntax error in fstab?
08:30<cfrabel_>OdyX, yes i do have... several ones :)
08:30<jm_>axos88: well why would your command work then?
08:30<prahal>but if you do not have a line with wireless extensions enabled then the wireless device is not enabled
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08:31<axos88>jm_, i'm root :)
08:31<axos88>jm_, i do mount /dev/tssdcarda1 /home, not just mount /dev/tssdcarda1
08:31<OdyX>cfrabel_: then carefully run reportbug installation-report and mention that you report from another machine…
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08:31<jm_>axos88: shouldn't it be defaults, not default?
08:31<jm_>axos88: right
08:32<prahal>Yerzriknot, you can use gnome-system-log to view the log file
08:32<axos88>jm_, shit, that was it... but one line above, with sysfs it's "default"
08:33<Yerzriknot>Here's the output http://debian.pastebin.com/m6f87e238
08:33<jm_>axos88: heh
08:33<axos88>jm_, i don't understand... why does it work for sysfs, but not for me?... grrr!
08:33<jm_>axos88: why do you need an entry for sysfs in fstab?
08:34<axos88>jm_, i dunno it was there after install
08:34<jm_>axos88: one of the init scripts should take care of it
08:34<prahal>Yerzriknot, it is only the first page of the output . You can scroll down and you ll see if you have an error telling about firmware missing
08:34<jm_>axos88: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh: for me and that also explains why default works for it - it passes all arguments to mount by the looks of it
08:35<axos88>jm_, probably because it's already mounted, it skips that line
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08:39<Yerzriknot>God there's a lot of text to look through
08:39<Yerzriknot>Anyone know what lines I should look for?
08:41<Yerzriknot>Here's the entire log if anyone wants to see it http://debian.pastebin.com/m19ce8039
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08:42<prahal>Yerzriknot, well Firmware or firmware :)
08:43<prahal>ouch this is the Xorg X log
08:44<prahal>you should have a file /var/log/syslog with way much more output . May not fit pastebin
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08:45<prahal>or dmesg output . Only contains the kernel messages since boot
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08:45<prahal>but it is a buffer . If your boot a few days ago and have a lot of messages it won't have them all
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08:45<prahal>still handy to check latest messages
08:46<prahal>do you use gnome-system-log ?
08:46<Yerzriknot>Yes
08:46<prahal>you have the name of the log file on the left . You could choose kernel.log
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08:47<Yerzriknot>Couldn't open /var/log/kern.log
08:48<prahal>oh you should have been asked for the root password if started from the applications menu
08:48<Yerzriknot>K one sec
08:48<prahal>else if from command line start it as root or via sudo
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08:50<Yerzriknot>Here it is http://debian.pastebin.com/m41564666
08:51<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Yerzriknot -about ipw2200
08:53<prahal>ipw2200: ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2
08:53<Yerzriknot>What does that mean?
08:54<prahal>that it cannot find the firmware . This is a small file that is loaded to the wireless device to make it work
08:54<Yerzriknot>Hmm...
08:55<Yerzriknot>So what should I do?
08:55<prahal>install firmware-ipw2x00 and you should be good to go (you ll need to modprobe ipw2200 by hand afterwards to force the retry of the firmware load
08:55<prahal>or reboot but it is not needed
08:55<Yerzriknot>Can I get it from synaptic?
08:55<prahal>yes
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08:56<prahal>this is a package name that I told you about . It contains a lot of firmwares for intel wireless devices
08:56<Yerzriknot>So apt-get install firmware-ipw2x00?
08:57<prahal>aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00 ! apt-get is not recommended :) obsolete
08:58<prahal>still for package development apt-get is needed as aptitude does not have all the advanced fonctionality of it but for the management of the dependencies aptitude is way better
08:58<Yerzriknot>I get the following http://debian.pastebin.com/m6f06ca96
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08:59<prahal>if you have synaptics or another package manager close it (one cannot run two package manager at the same time) . Else check you are root or sudo
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09:00<Yerzriknot>K it's working
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09:01<Yerzriknot>WTF
09:02<Yerzriknot>Why does the output say it's removing stuff like cheese and ekiga?
09:03<prahal>aptitude found an issue with existing dependencies . most likely apt-get did not do a good job (that the reason it is obsoleete) Try aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade . It should propose different means to fix dependencies
09:04<Yerzriknot>It's still removing stuff...
09:04<Yerzriknot>Did I break Debian by trying to install the firmware?
09:04<Yerzriknot>Great...
09:05<prahal>does not it provices choices ? I am using sid so aptitude is a bit newer maybe on my side . You could try the aptitude command alone
09:05<prahal>you could still install firmware package via apt-get
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09:06<prahal>but one day or another retry the switch to aptitude . It does a way better job than apt-get at avoiding conflicts and such tricky issues
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09:06<mtaftm>hey everyone my volume control has gone from my panel :/ and im getting no sound any help ?
09:06<BlackFate>prahal, deborphan and apt-get is more than enough i think...
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09:07<prahal>BlackFate, don't you read the debian release notes :)
09:07<Yerzriknot>brb
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09:08<prahal>nope that s from personal experience . aptitude avoid a lot of unresolvable conflicts . In sid at least (dependencies areironed out for stable to apt-get or aptitude may matter less
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09:09<prahal>any selinux user with a brand new kernel ? I wonder if selinuxfs option is missing from mine or if it was renamed/removed
09:10<prahal>note that I cannot use debian kernel as I am hacking on device drivers . But I would still want to try selinux
09:10<BlackFate>prahal, im a sid user myself for long... and apt-get worked well till now, its up to the user how to use it..
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09:11<BlackFate>prahal, you talk about conflicts... then you should know why these conflicts are there in the first place
09:12<mtaftm>:'( no sound is coming from my speakers at all any help, it was fine the other day
09:12<prahal>rah I took 4 years to switch from dselect to apt-get ... but once I did the switch moving to deity/aptitude was natural (as I did not grew fond of apt-get ... maybe that subjective
09:13<prahal>mtaftm, mixer controls are up for pcm and master ?
09:14<mtaftm>prahal, my mixer aint in the panel no more, due to me removing sometihng in the panel which removed everything, and when i go into add to panel the volume control aint there
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09:14<prahal>mtaftm, from gnome-terminal or another one try gnome-volume-control
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09:16<mtaftm>prahal yup im on that now
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09:17<prahal>do you have pcm or master muted ? or is the volume low for those ?
09:17<mtaftm>prahal im so sorry :L it was on mute mate sorry
09:17<fossiiil>I have Qt version 4.4.3-1 on Debian Lenny. Can i access testing/unstable repository to install Qt 4.5.x ?
09:17<mtaftm>prahal but the thing is how would i go by to adding sound control an wifi into the panel again?
09:18<prahal>gnome-volume-control-applet and nm-applet
09:19<mtaftm>do i type that in terminal ?
09:19<prahal>I don't know if those would be kept across logout (you may have to run gnome-session-properties and choose options then remind)
09:19<prahal>yes
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09:21<mtaftm>prahal there all selected but not in my panel at the top :/
09:21<prahal>if you run gnome 2.28 you should have applications to run on start in preferences
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09:22<prahal>selected ?
09:22<mtaftm>yes, volume control, wifi and all that is selected, no in panel at the top though, and when i click add to panel there not in the options to add
09:22<prahal>oh you removed the notification area I guess
09:23<prahal>you could add it back via right click on the panel then add notification area
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09:24<prahal>not confident . It is hard to explain graphical things and I have a hard time guessing the panel status
09:24<mtaftm>yes, thats done it mate thanks alot appreciate it, everyone in the ubuntu chat dont help at all
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09:24<mtaftm>defiantly coming into here when i have a problem
09:25<prahal>hum yep but you may have rough time if you have a really ubuntu specific issue and someone try to help guessing it is a debian system
09:25<prahal>**** happens :)
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09:27<mtaftm>yes it does
09:27<mtaftm>cheers mate cya
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09:29<junruh>hi!
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09:43<stuckey>Is there a package for an mp3 encoder in Debian?
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09:46<adb>ripperx , grip
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09:48<prahal>hum seems like selinux-activate does not support grub2
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09:56<mbruins>hi, what would be the cleanest way to install the latest gnutella on lenny?
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10:01<stack_underflow>hi
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10:02<stack_underflow>I've just installed debian squeeze but my grub doesn't have a config file
10:02<stack_underflow>does anyone know how to create one?
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10:04<petemc>!grub2 config
10:04<dpkg>If all you want is to dual-boot Debian & Windows, just install the os-prober package and run update-grub. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* and http://grub.enbug.org/ (GRUB wiki)
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10:04<stack_underflow>i wanted to chainload my 7 installation
10:05<stack_underflow>and thanks, I'll try the os-prober package
10:05<petemc>np
10:05<stack_underflow>oh and I have a question regarding sources
10:06<stack_underflow>I installed squeeze, but I'd like to stay updated even when squeeze becomes stable, should I rename all my squeeze listings to 'testing' in the sources?
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10:06<petemc>you can do that
10:06<petemc>you're aware there may be some breakage...
10:06<stack_underflow>uhh not really
10:06<stack_underflow>i thought that just meant that i'd remain updated?
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10:07<petemc>what does the word 'testing' mean to you?
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10:07<stack_underflow>ya i understand that, it's just that the packages in stable get old after a bit
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10:08<stack_underflow>would you recommend i leave it as 'squeeze'?
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10:09<petemc>stack_underflow: you can use stable with backports
10:10<stack_underflow>the thing is though I have an integrated intel gfx card and i wanted a newer kernel without compiling it (i had a crapload of problems trying this)
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10:11<stack_underflow>video support was horrible with the 2.6.26 kernel, i kept getting tearing with all videos
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10:11<Woet>How would I compile the 2.6.27 kernel for Debian Lenny? I tried to simply compile the one found on kernel.org but it's not booting into it.
10:13<locklace>!tell Woet about kernel-package
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10:13<Woet>I already have those packages, but which 2.6.27 source to use?
10:14<gsimmons>Woet: Is this to enable BCM5716 support for your system?
10:14<Woet>No, I already cancelled that server
10:14<stuckey>I was about to do an upgrade. Can someone tell me if this list of pacakges to be upgraded/removed looks sane? http://paste.debian.net/57987/
10:14<petemc>stack_underflow: there should be backported kernel packages too
10:14<stuckey>I don't really know how to tell
10:14<Woet>this is another network driver which is annoying me though, Intel Corporation 82576 Gigabit Network Connection
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10:15<locklace>and why aren't you just installing the better kernel available from backports
10:15<Woet>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=522922
10:15<Woet>because I need to apply the openVZ patches
10:15<stack_underflow>i didn't really know of any of this (linux noob)
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10:16<Woet>seems like debian is missing quite a few network drivers..
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10:17<stack_underflow>well with testing, how much breakage should I expect? when using Ubuntu i had a crapload of problems; there can't be as many as this can there?
10:17<locklace>stack_underflow: no
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10:18<slush>stuckey: seems ok to me
10:18<gsimmons>Woet: You could alternatively compile an out-of-tree igb driver for use in your existing kernel ; /msg dpkg igb
10:18<Woet>i'll try that, thanks
10:18<stack_underflow>noob question again, i'm using xchat; if people message me and their name is red, is this a private message?
10:19<adb>no
10:20<stack_underflow>oh
10:20<stuckey>slush: will I have to re-make the nvidia drivers?
10:20<stack_underflow>just so i understand correctly, squeeze is the testing branch until it becomes stable right?
10:20<ml|>stack_underflow: no, to get your attention, private msg will be in a new tab or window
10:21<adb>stack_underflow, people don't should private message w/o your accord
10:21<stack_underflow>ok
10:22<slush>stuckey: probably
10:22<ml|>stack_underflow: yes /msg dpkg testing /msg dpkg releases
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10:23<slush>stuckey: it's best to do so anyway, since you will be upgrading a lot of libs, compile tools, etc
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10:24<stuckey>I always forget how to do it; usually it takes me a while to figure it out again. I thus try to put off upgrades as much as possible.
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10:24<stack_underflow>oh that clears it up; i'm only using linux to learn more about it (not on server), so I'm guessing i should be fine with testing
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10:25<ml|>stuckey: wow don't upgrade much huh; is this sid?
10:25<slush>stuckey: instructions are given in the readme of nvidia-kernel-source
10:26<adb>stack_underflow, begin to accommodate with lenny aka stable .. my advice
10:26<slush>stuckey: if you *are* upgrading to sid, you must know what you are doing
10:27<ml|>stack_underflow: what adb said, start with lenny until you learn what you are doing
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10:27<stuckey>slush: How will I know if I know what I am doing?
10:27<stuckey>ml|: This is sid.
10:28<adb>stuckey, as you ask , you don't know ... yet
10:29<stack_underflow>adb, i understand what you're saying, but i'm kind of stuck with this install now; my bandwidth is horrible and it would take a day to reinstall, plus i've got a horrible cap
10:30<ml|>stuckey: you should aptitude safe-upgrade then do a full-upgrade to be on the safe side; and I would update once a week to avoid this in the future
10:30<adb>stack_underflow, a reason in plus to stay on lenny ..
10:31<stuckey>ml|: Thanks, It's been sid for a long time already.
10:31<stack_underflow>well for future reference, how would I go about adding a kernel backport source?
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10:32<ml|>stuckey: just read carefully what aptitude tells you and like slush said you should know what you are doing if using sid; anyways good luck
10:32<adb>!tell stack_underflow -about backports
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10:33<stuckey>Thanks
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10:33<stuckey>I've used it for a while, and it's so far been a lot easier since I don't have to backport newer software.
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10:35<stack_underflow>adb, so when using backports, could I use aptitude normally or would I have to type 'aptitude -t lenny-backports etc' everytime?
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10:36<adb>everytime? , no only you needs something from backports ..
10:37<stack_underflow>so if I were to do 'aptitude search something' it would only return packages from main and not backports?
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10:38<adb>try and see
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10:39<stack_underflow>i have squeeze though, can i add a lenny backport?
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10:39<OdyX>stack_underflow: lenny backport for squeeze is useless…
10:39<adb>yes, but it is usefully ?
10:39<OdyX>what you want is aptitude ncurses
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10:40<stack_underflow>i was just trying to say that I can't really 'try and see', that's why i'm asking
10:40<Sire_TRM>Which release type of Debian would I want to get for a MacBook Pro, original generation?
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10:41<adb>stack_underflow, didn't know that you are on squeeze yet , so ignore me
10:41<OdyX>Sire_TRM: Stable "should" make it…
10:41<stack_underflow>adb, no problem
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10:42<Sire_TRM>OdyX: I'm looking at the CD/DVD images page and wondering about this list: [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch]
10:43<stack_underflow>thanks for all the advice guys, i learned a lot
10:43<stack_underflow>gotta go now
10:43<OdyX>Do you know which processor you have ?
10:43<adb>later
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10:43<OdyX>Sire_TRM: ^
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10:44<Sire_TRM>OdyX: 2.16 GHz Itel Core 2 Duo
10:44<Sire_TRM>Intel*
10:44<slush>the macbook, Sire_TRM
10:44<OdyX>Unfortunately the wiki is down…
10:45<Sire_TRM>Yea I noticed trying to check the advice from their MBP page
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10:48<Sire_TRM>Well, I guess I'll just wait on the wiki a bit
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10:48<nifelan>hi
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10:49<Sire_TRM>Alrighty. Have fun. I may check back when I've got stuff working or am completely lost.
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10:50<OdyX>^use google cache…
10:50<ravenbird>OdyX: Bugger all, I dunno.
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10:50<OdyX>bleh
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10:50*nifelan has got a "little" problem with iptables. Somehow the byte-counters are all messed up, sometimes seem to reset randomly - and when trying to read the quota the displayed result varies greatly... Is there anyone that could help? This is driving me nuts.
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11:14<rjent>Greetings, I upgraded my sid notebook yesterday and gnome fails to start and just hangs. If I use failsafe gnome it shows desktop but no menubars. Would someone be so kind as to point me to a fix?
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11:14<rjent>fwiw: I switched to fluxbox for my desktop til I fix gnome. Heck maybe I should try kde now.
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11:35<khinester>hello
11:36<Nehyx>khinester: hi
11:36<khinester>i just setup a new debian server running ispconfig3
11:37<khinester>my problem is that i get a warning in the 'monitor' tab linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 will be installed
11:37<sun>hi my system is not full-upgradeing properly. i am getting an error saying 'preparing to replace udev 149-2 using udev 150) ... please upgrade your kernel... etc. but then i also get alot of errors regarding the kernel package, it says linux-image-2.6-686 depends on linux-image..trunk-686 which is not installable (? why not?) and so it wants to remove linux-image-2.6-686, which, afaict, seeems like it might not have a kernel when it's throu
11:37<khinester>when i run #apt-get -u upgrade
11:38<khinester>i get: The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-amd64 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
11:38<khinester>do i need to reboot the server?
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11:48<prahal>I get no route to host while trying to access wiki.debian.org
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11:48<prahal>what could be the root of this issue ?
11:48<@Ganneff>its down
11:49<prahal>:-(
11:49<OdyX>prahal: debian-devel-infrastructure mailing list and #debian-devel topic are good sources of information
11:50<OdyX>s/devel-infrastructure/infrastructure-announce/
11:50<prahal>ok sorry for the noise . I was wondering as I had another site with the same route error ... and started to wonder if it was not on my side
11:50<OdyX>prahal: np
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11:52<prahal>was attempting to reach the python policy page . I do not understand why python-rpm shows up in /usr/share/pyshared but not under /usr/lib/python2.5 (isn't pyshared supposed to be the source for symlinks to the /usr/lib/pythonX ?)
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11:56<OdyX>prahal: what version did you install ?
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11:57<prahal>4.8.0-2
11:57<OdyX>ah. Experimental
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11:58<prahal>experimental though i am looking at finding out if
11:58<prahal>a symlink is supposed to be created in /usr/lib/pythonX
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11:58<prahal>before checking if packaging is missing a call to python-central/python-support
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12:00<prahal>and it should not matter except if a packaging error was made
12:00<OdyX>prahal: I can confirm your bug.
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12:01<prahal>ok though I don't know enough to report yet (need to get a hand on info as to what should have happened and which has not)
12:01<OdyX>wait… I have a doubt
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12:02<slashguns>ciao
12:02<slashguns>list
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12:03<OdyX>prahal: does $ python -c "import rpm" work for you ?
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12:03<rjent>Greetings, I upgraded sid yesterday and my gnome quit working and so did my wireless adapter. Any help would be appreciated.
12:03<prahal>no
12:04<rjent>Upgraded kernel to 2.6.32-trunk-686
12:05<ml|>dpkg: tell slashguns about it
12:05<prahal>if you use networkmanager the wireless cannot work without the graphical desktop so this should leave the issue to gnome does not start .
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12:05<OdyX>prahal: me neither. It warrants a bug… reportbug -V 4.8.0-2 python-rpm
12:05<prahal>rjent, do you feel confortable on the console ?
12:06<sci>dpkg: /seen
12:06<dpkg>sci: wish i knew
12:06<prahal>OdyX, sure but I ll grab the source to see if I can send a patch or if it is a typo . maybe the issue is in python-central/python-support or else also
12:07<prahal>I got my hand on the python policy :)
12:07<OdyX>isn't it in debian-doc
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12:08<sci>debhelper: who knows about /seen ?
12:08<EmleyMoor>When the kernel is upgraded by aptitude on my testing box, grub-probe says it cannot access /dev/hde - I'm not surprised because there is no such thing on that box now... but where does it get the information to try from?
12:08<antonio>Ipad
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12:09<Zathraz>hi. I installed package 'ntp' in lenny in a virtualmachine. I would like it to only listen on loopback/localhost. However their does not seem to be a bind option anywhere?
12:09<Zathraz>Just need the client part of the package
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12:10<prahal>OdyX, they have removed support for 2.5 I don't know why but using python2.6 instead of python2.5 fix it
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12:11<prahal>I bet there was an announce that python2.5 support is to be removed
12:11<EmleyMoor>(there's no mention of /dev/hde in /boot/grub/device.map)
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12:11<sci>why does /seen not work in XChat ?
12:12<prahal>so they removed it from experimental ... does not seems like a non wanted thing to me as the 2.6 is really hardcoded in the rules file
12:12<sney>'seen' commands usually query a bot for that information
12:12<ml|>sci: /msg dpkg see nick
12:13<ml|>*seen
12:13<EmleyMoor>sci: /seen sounds like a client-specific command - perhaps you mean !seen ?
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12:15<OdyX>prahal: 2.5 was not removed from Debian at least…
12:15<OdyX>for -rpm you mean…
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12:15<EmleyMoor>This appears to be the last surviving reference to the historic /dev/hde on the system - wish I could shift it
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12:16<sci>!seen hans
12:16<dpkg>hans <~hans@p4FD65461.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 34d 58s ago, saying: 'have a nice day, bye'.
12:16<prahal>oh I meant for experimental packages ... there s no plan to switch to 2.6 for sid soon ? then I wonder why the maintenair made this choice
12:16<prahal>because it is stated in the changelog
12:17<ml|>sci: /msg dpkg selftell
12:17<sci>EmleyMoor: you're right with !seen, thank you
12:18<sci>ml| : thank you too
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12:18<ml|>np
12:18<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... looks like grub is hosed on my testing box
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12:24<jacuse>oi
12:24<jacuse>como va
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12:26<EmleyMoor>grub appears to have hosed itself on my testing box
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12:27<sci>what does 'hosed' mean ?
12:27<EmleyMoor>Generally broken
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12:28<EmleyMoor>It always seems to, though - due to this silly reference to /dev/hde it keeps finding
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12:30<sci>are you using raid ?
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12:30<latenal>hello, what is the equivalent for MAMP?
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12:31<EmleyMoor>sci: Not on that box
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12:32<EmleyMoor>I need to know where, when aptitude does a kernel upgrade, grub-probe gets its devices from
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12:35<sci>grub scans all partitions on all disks, looking for bootable sytems, if it finds hde, hde must be refered to by something on your disks
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12:42<EmleyMoor>sci: Yes, but what? I need to find that reference and blow it clean out of the Thames
12:42<simonmumble>Bah dpkg answered all my questions - he is good can I hire him ;)
12:42<mercutio22>how to I search the bug tracking system for a bug?
12:43<mercutio22>I mean, can I search by subject?
12:43<noflash>!bto
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12:43<latenal>does anyone know MAMP (macos: php+apache+mysql) equivalent for debian ?
12:44<simonmumble>latenal: this is a wind-up right?
12:44<retrospectacus>latenal: how about php, apache and mysql?
12:44<retrospectacus>apt-get install mysql-server phpmyadmin apache2 will do it
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12:45<OdyX>mercutio22: search py package…
12:45<OdyX>then Ctrl-F through the page
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12:46<mercutio22>OdyX: dang.. what if don't know the package... is there no way to search by keywords like in launchpad?
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12:48<latenal>retrospectacus, simonmumble: thanks, but it is unconvinient for web-development, it takes a lot of time to configure, to add virtual hosts and etc.
12:48<OdyX>mercutio22: http://bugs.debian.org/ "Searching for bugs"
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12:50<simonmumble>wodim command line to write a debian iso assuming the default device it finds is cool
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12:51<androberto> Hi. I need help with my Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. RTL8139D. It's a fake chinese realtek. I want to move to Debian Lenny. But this card is not working on Debian. And how it works fine here. I want to know how make it work on debian.
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12:52<androberto> Hi. I need help with my Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. RTL8139D. It's a fake chinese realtek. I want to move to Debian Lenny. But this card is not working on Debian.
12:53<simonmumble>androberto: is this built into the motherboard? Otherwise I'd just switch it if it "doesn't just work". Isn't worth the hassle for old ethernet cards.
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12:54<EmleyMoor>Got it up again now but could do with help finding the silly reference
12:54<androberto> Hi. I need help with my Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. RTL8139D. It's a fake chinese realtek. I want to move to Debian Lenny. But this card is not working on Debian. It's a off board card. It works fine on Ubuntu 9.10. And is supported for the Kernel on Debian Lenny.
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12:56<kop>androberto: How do you know it's not working?
12:56<kop>!tell androberto about 70
12:56<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to find all files that have "hde" in them?
12:57<kop>EmleyMoor: find if you want to search the file name, grep if you want to search file content.
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12:58<fgh>hi kop
12:59<androberto> Hi. I need help with my Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. RTL8139D. It's a fake chinese realtek. I want to move to Debian Lenny. But this card is not working on Debian. It's a off board card. It works fine on Ubuntu 9.10. And is supported for the Kernel on Debian Lenny. >> I instaled debian and It doesn't recognise my card. When the screen to choose my ethernet card appear a couldn't find my card I the installer couldn't detect
12:59<kop>androberto: You're not listening.
12:59<androberto>what?
12:59<kop>androberto: I asked you a question above.
12:59<androberto>what is 70?
13:00<androberto>yes
13:00<androberto>I answed
13:00<androberto>on >>
13:00<androberto> I instaled debian and It doesn't recognise my card. When the screen to choose my ethernet card appear a couldn't find my card I the installer couldn't detect it
13:01<kop>androberto: Ok. So you're having a problem doing the installation. If you press alt-f2 and type lspci what does the output say about your ethernet card?
13:02<kop>fgh: Hello.
13:02<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... can't get anywhere with the "all" part - found just one minor reference (and zapped it)
13:02<kop>androberto: What does "on >>" mean?
13:02<androberto>02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. RTL8139D [Realtek] PCI 10/100BaseTX ethernet adaptor (rev 01)
13:02<androberto>02:02.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2561/RT61 rev B 802.11g
13:02<kevix>androberto: debian normally installs with only free software but can be configured to use non-free components after the install. There might be a special debian-installer image that might support your card. Ubuntu installs with non-free software support for hardware, thus it may installer easier.
13:02<simonmumble>Grr dpkg tip on verifying ISO writes didn't work for my CDs but the CDs seem fine --- grr
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13:02<EmleyMoor>Ah, got it
13:02<androberto>but i didn't tried it on debian
13:02<androberto>it s my output on ubuntu
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13:03<androberto>I want to use Debian...
13:04<kop>androberto: We would need to see the output from the Debian installer. There might be non-free firmware that needs loading to make the card work (or not). When you start the installer there are various fN keys you can type for help on how to load with special options. Expert mode in the installer may be of use as well....
13:05<kop>androberto: I don't know much about wifi. (There's a dpkg factoid ... somewhere. maybe /msg dpkg wireless ??)
13:05<androberto>i tried the expert mode... I'll capture the debian output. But how can I enable nonfree software on the instalation?
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13:07<EmleyMoor>Does grep with the -r option successfully avoid getting stuck in a directory loop?
13:07<kop>androberto: /msg dpkg rtl-wifi does not seem to help with the 8139D.... Does it?
13:07<kop>EmleyMoor: You have hardlinked your directories?
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13:08<dalvarez>Hello everyone.
13:08<EmleyMoor>kop: No - this is stuff that the system has done itself
13:08<androberto>i don't need the wireless for a time just the ethernet
13:08<ohadl>Hello, I have a question about the customization FAQ, specifically 11.7
13:08<ohadl>Called "How does the package management system deal with packages that contain configuration files for other packages?"
13:09<EmleyMoor>I would look in more specific places if I knew for sure I'd find the historic reference to hde I need to destroy
13:09<ohadl>Link: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html#s-interconffiles
13:09<ohadl>So, I completely don't understand the answer therein - how should I go about distributing my default configuration around using Debian?
13:09<kop>androberto: Isn't the realtek wireless? Maybe not. Anyhow, I found this link: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/d1466ee7d3b55372 Maybe your nick is not autodetectable and you need to tell the kernel to load a module? Just guessing....
13:10<ohadl>I have a set of operational systems, which I want a default configuration for, and a way to systematically update the configuration (of various packages) for in an organized way.
13:10<kop>ohadl: Use something like puppet?
13:12<kop>androberto: (That's an old thread btw.)
13:12<dalvarez>ohadl: Why not create a custom install image?
13:14<simonmumble>Are other people unable to connect to wiki.debian.org ?
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13:15<dalvarez>simonmumble: I can't connect to it either, so it could be broken
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13:17<chealer>simonmumble: http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2010/01/msg00001.html
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13:18<mercutio22>I have this annoying bug, I loose my windows borders when returning from the screensaver
13:18<retrospectacus>http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.debian.org
13:18<simonmumble>chealer: ta -- let us hope google's cache is good
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13:18<mercutio22>I am using compiz and I have to reload it everytime I have this issue
13:18<EmleyMoor>Anyway, while I think about it, the "update available" icon does not appear on this machine any more - any good ways to restore it?
13:19<retrospectacus>mercutio22: try asking in #compiz on irc.freenode.net about that one
13:19<retrospectacus>err I think it's #compiz-fusion
13:19<mercutio22>retrospectacus: ok, thanks
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13:19*dalvarez feels reminded of the value of redundant systems
13:20<munga>I've to reinstall a machine. I've the old dpkg.status, but not the --get-selections output . how can I tell dpkg to reinstall all the packages in the old status ?
13:20<munga>do I have to parse the old dpkg.status to build a --get-selections kind of output to pipe to dpkg ?
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13:21<simonmumble>Hehe want to do my first LVM install, found the previous owner of this box has LVM installed --- dd if=zero of= seems to have stopped the installer being too upset at finding Centos LVM.... but it seems to be doing a lot of erasing of data on the existing LVM partitions. This seem "normal" for this situation?
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13:24<ak>Nobody met a problem pppoeconfig in a kernel 2.6.32
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13:26<noflash>!tell ak -about bts
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13:28<ak>noflash., Ok, +1 bug in http://bugs.debian.org/
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13:41<fredz>have been trying to work this out for several hours now. How can I find a list a files on my server that contain a specific string. The string should be exact to prevent unwanted output.
13:42<xover>what is a safe resource for downloading the latest linux kernel?
13:42<edhunter>fredz: grep should be able to do it
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13:44<fredz>Yes, I was aware of that, and that is what I have been trying. But I have never had to use it, consulted man pages, googled. Still can't find out how this is done. I am obviously missing something but have no clues.
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13:45<retrospectacus>grep -r 'string to find' /path/to/search/in
13:45<edhunter>fredz: what have you tried?
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13:47<xnox_>Hello all. Is wiki.debian.org down or is it my computer/connection ?
13:47<retrospectacus>it's down... http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/wiki.debian.org
13:48<fredz>edhunter: I have tried grep on its own, ls with grep. I think the problem is the manner in which I have constructed the command. I have even tried grep -r string
13:49<retrospectacus>fredz: how does the command I put above not suitable?
13:49<edhunter>fredz: the thing is that grep "string" -r /directory will match any "string" not exact "string"
13:49<xnox_>retrospectacus: awesome site =) thank you
13:50<edhunter>fredz: you can try with grep -w "string" -r /dir
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13:54<canaboy>to querendo cagar
13:54<bja>!es
13:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:54<bja>!br
13:54<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:57<fredz>edhunter: I am now getting output with grep -w "string" -r / I guess it is now a waiting game as there are a few Tb of files to scan. I assume that command will continue and list all instances it finds, ir will it stop at the first occurance.
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13:58<edhunter>fredz: it will list all instances it finds in any given file
13:58<retrospectacus>that will parse every byte on your hdd(s) :P
13:59<edhunter>fredz: you can use grep -l -w "string" -r /dir to stop at first match (-l)
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13:59<fredz>edhunter: Thank you, that was easier than I thought, I hate it when you have to go hunting for something and don't have a starting point.
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14:00<edhunter>fredz: it is always hard to do something if you dont know which command can do it for you..
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14:09<dalvarez>Could anyone please help me troubleshooting why vsftpd can not find a RSA certificate? I am out of ideas. The certificate is there, vsftpd is configured to use it, and it does have permissions to read it. Any help is appreciated.
14:09<goodtime>i need to be able to play vid files wont read or wright
14:09<dalvarez>I am using debian lenny stable
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14:11<goodtime>Sysinfo for 'Microknoppix': Linux 2.6.31.6 running , CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-57 at 1895 MHz (3792 bogomips), HD: 8/110GB, RAM: 527/1769MB, 135 proc's, 19.8min up
14:11<goodtime>i have debian 5.0 on disk i just got it thoe and i kinda like this knoppix 6.9
14:12<goodtime>oops i meen 6.2
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14:13<cahoot>goodtime: is your question related to debian or knoppix?
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14:13<goodtime>i know i prob should be running debian
14:13<goodtime>sorry
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14:13<cahoot>I didn't say that
14:14<goodtime>just was wondering if theres like some simple command
14:14<retrospectacus>dalvarez: is there anything about certs in the vsftp log or syslog?
14:14<goodtime>im kinda new to linux .about a year now
14:14<cahoot>you probably should be better off using complete sentences
14:14<dalvarez>retrospectatus: It does not start up at all. It does not even create the logfile
14:14<cahoot>also - knoppix isn't supported here
14:15<goodtime>ok ty anyhow
14:15<retrospectacus>any errors
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14:15<dalvarez>retrospectatus: I tried invoking vsftpd directly by /usr/sbin/vsftpd, to see the output, and the error is "500 OOPS: SSL: cannot load RSA certificate"
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14:15<caio>Someone in the room knows apache?
14:16<Gathond>probably
14:16<Gathond>just ask
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14:16<dalvarez>retrospectatus: Because /etc/init.d/vsftpd start would just act as if everything was all right, when in fact it just writes the pid to /var/run/vsftpd and quits
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14:17<caio>How do I get it authentication in apache?
14:17<retrospectacus>with a .htaccess and .htpasswd - google can tell you all about it
14:18<Gathond>or directly in the apache config
14:18<Gathond>.htaccess/.htpasswd is really mostly for when you can't edit the configuration directly
14:18<Gathond>any directive in those files can potentially go directly in the configuration
14:19<dalvarez>retrospectatus: I looked up several vsftpd+ssl howtos on the web, and followed the instructions. As far as I can see, I did everything exactly the way it was explained. I generated the certificate using "openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -newkey rsa:1024 -out /usr/share/ssl-cert/vsftpd.cert.pem -keyout /usr/share/ssl-cert/vsftpd.cert.pem"
14:19<retrospectacus>true
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14:19<retrospectacus>dalvarez: I think the -out and -keyout should be different files
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14:20<dalvarez>retrospectatus: Yes, I tried that too
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14:20<caio>Ok, thanks
14:20<dalvarez>retrospectatus: Did not work either
14:20<dalvarez>retrospectatus: I just used the same file becaues most howtos did it that way
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14:21<dalvarez>retrospectatus: And I thought vsftpd might be interpreting the ssl_private_key_file directive wrongly
14:21<dalvarez>retrospectatus: I tried moving the certificate file to /etc/vsftpd to see if it was a file location problem, but it did not help
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14:22<retrospectacus>dalvarez: can you pastebin the output of "strace /usr/sbin/vsftpd" (apt-get install strace if not found)
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14:23<retrospectacus>also you are spelling my nick wrong
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14:24<dalvarez>retrospectacus: I am sorry :-/
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14:25<bja>dalvarez: tab completion is almost on every irc client :)
14:25<retrospectacus>no bug deal, but now my client alerts me that someone is addressing me :)
14:25<retrospectacus>s/bug/big/
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14:25<dalvarez>bja: yes, you are right. I just started using irc again yesterday after eight years or so
14:25<Acaygo>algun español
14:25<retrospectacus>!es
14:25<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:26<dalvarez>retrospectacus: seems like I don't have strace installed. But great idea... I'll get it quickly
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14:27<XTF>Hi. bugs.debian.org is saying: "550 550 HELO mismatch Forged HELO for (mail-ww0-f52.google.com) (state 14)." Haven't seen this one before. Is this a Google issue or a BDO issue?
14:28<dalvarez>open("/etc/ssl/certs/vsftpd.pem", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
14:28<dalvarez>fcntl(0, F_GETFL) = 0x8002 (flags O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE)
14:28<dalvarez>fcntl(0, F_SETFL, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE) = 0
14:28<dalvarez>write(0, "500 OOPS: "..., 10500 OOPS: ) = 10
14:28<dalvarez>write(0, "SSL: cannot load RSA certificate"..., 32SSL: cannot load RSA certificate) = 32
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14:28<mercutio22>A package failed to install in the latest update round (python2.6). I used reportbug to report the bug and found out someone has already posted it. In that case should I post a "me too" message or not do anything? I mean, will information of how many people are affected be considered useful or noise?
14:28<dalvarez>retrospectacus: Damn, I was kicked out for posting that
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14:28<Gathond>and does that file exist? and can that user access it
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14:28<dalvarez>retrospectacus: But at least now I know it is looking for the wrong file
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14:30<retrospectacus>dalvarez: pastebin
14:30<retrospectacus>dalvarez: /msg dpkg paste
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14:31<retrospectacus>see if strace will help you get it working
14:31<dalvarez>retrospectacus: so dpkg is the pastebin?
14:31<dalvarez>retrospectacus: I told it to look for the certificate in "/usr/share/ssl-cert/vsftpd.cert.pem". The directive is rsa_cert_file=/usr/share/ssl-cert/vsftpd.cert.pem
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14:33<dalvarez>retrospectacus: Grrrm.. Found it
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14:33<dalvarez>retrospectacus: It's called "debian customization"
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14:34<dalvarez>retrospectacus: They've just put another certificate directive at the end of the configuration file, overriding mine. And it does not even have ssl enabled by default... What a pissof.
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14:35<dalvarez>retrospectacus: Thank you a lot for helping
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14:54<retrospectacus>dalvarez: sorry I was away.. is it working then?
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14:55<dalvarez>retrospectacus: Yes, it is. It was just that there was another configuration directive
14:55<dalvarez>retrospectacus: Now it is running
14:55<retrospectacus>wicked
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14:56<dalvarez>retrospectacus: I feel like systems don't get build to be used, they get build to annoy
14:58<dalvarez>retrospectacus: I just switched this server from proftpd to vsftpd, because proftpd version 1.3.1 (which is all you get with debian/stable) just would not convert German umlauts correctly to UTF-8
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15:01<retrospectacus>oh yeah
15:01<retrospectacus>I avoid FTP ...
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15:11<dalvarez>retrospectacus: I hope vsftpd can handle it. I'll be off for food. Thanks again.
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16:52<DalexSoto>hi all
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16:52<DalexSoto>hey guys im new to linux
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16:53<DalexSoto>could you recommend me a good guide on installing nvidia nix drivers?
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16:53<cesurasean>i just had a failure on a primary drive with raid mirroring. how do i go about restoring the information, or recreating the raid after 1 of the hard drives have failed using software raid?
16:53<DalexSoto>anyone?
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16:54<sney`>DalexSoto: for debian, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
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16:54<cesurasean>i would very much appreciate someone's knowledge on this.
16:54<DalexSoto>thanks
16:54<weasel>mdadm is the tool you need
16:55<cesurasean>weasel, mdadm is what i was using.
16:55<weasel>I don't know the magic incant (--add something), but I guess you'll find it if you ask google
16:55<cesurasean>weasel, can i boot off the 2nd hard drive, or will i need to install grub?
16:55<weasel>depends on how grub is installed
16:56<xover>how do i get vmware server 2 to use both cpus in a debian vm, i have selected 2 in the vmware server 2 gui, but they are not both being used as shown in top
16:56<gdb>cesurasean: mdadm --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1
16:56<gdb>cesurasean: mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1
16:56<gdb>cesurasean: * replace disk
16:56<gdb>cesurasean: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1
16:56<gdb>that's all there is to it
16:56<cesurasean>gdb, it failed on reboot.
16:56<weasel>xover: do they both show up in /proc/cpuinfo?
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16:56<xover>yes
16:56<cesurasean>it failed while rebooting.
16:56<gdb>cesurasean: What failed? is this the primary boot drive?
16:56<weasel>what makes you think they are not both being used?
16:56<cesurasean>yes
16:56<cesurasean>the primary boot drive failed while rebooting
16:56<gdb>cesurasean: Is it SATA?
16:56<cesurasean>no
16:56<cesurasean>IDE
16:57<xover>weasel: top shows only 50% max CPU usage
16:57<weasel>doesn't mean anything
16:57<xover>When I am compiling the kernel
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16:57<weasel>htop is slightly easier to use
16:57<xover>of course it does
16:57<weasel>no, it doesn't.
16:57<weasel>also, did you tell your make to fork more than one process?
16:57<cesurasean>gdb, what do you suggest?
16:57<gdb>You may be able to swap cables and boot off the mirror then. Then add the new disk into the array. You will want to do this on the new disk first -> sfdisk -d /dev/good_disk | sfdisk /dev/new_disk
16:57<gdb>I think it's -d, may be -c
16:58<xover>no, what is the option for that?
16:58<gdb>yes, it's -d
16:58<cesurasean>gdb, what if i can't boot off the mirror? install grub using boot cd?
16:58<weasel>-j <n>
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16:59<gdb>cesurasean: Yes, if the mirror is unbootable, then you'll need to use a rescue disk to make it bootable (be that marking a partition active, installing grub, etc). It should work just as if it were an unbootable primary disk. So whatever method you'd use to recover from that should be fine.
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16:59<sney`>where n is number of cpus +1, usually.
16:59<xover>so its make -j 2 for dual core?
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16:59<sney`>like I do make -j3 on my 2-cpu systems, and I did -j5 on my quad-cpu system
16:59<weasel>no, n is the number of jobs to fork
16:59<gdb>er wait
16:59<weasel>you can make it anything you like :)
16:59<gdb>I thought grub didn't support root mirroring yet and you had to use LILO.
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16:59<weasel>gdb: it does, kinda. you just have to know to install it twice.
16:59<xover>so what would do you suggest for max performance?
16:59<gdb>At least the last time I set up a mirrored boot disk with Lenny, it used LILO.
16:59<gdb>ah okay
17:00<weasel>2? 3? 42?
17:00<sney`>xover: number of cpus +1
17:00<xover>sney: so 3 for a dual core then?
17:00<sney`>yes
17:00<weasel>SET IT ALREADY
17:00<weasel>it's not rocket science
17:00<weasel>just try it
17:00<weasel>it hardly matters
17:00<xover>weasel: shut up
17:00<weasel>pardon?
17:00<xover>weasel: you heard
17:01-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
17:01<sney`>don't run -j without a number, though
17:01-!-xover was kicked from #debian by weasel [bye]
17:01<sney`>ah yes that was completely mature and reasonable
17:01-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
17:01<sney`>!win weasel
17:01<dpkg>Congratulations, weasel! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
17:01<weasel>yay.
17:02<sney`>I thought op abuse was frowned upon in this neck of the woods
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17:03<sney`>no flaming please
17:03<locklace>!flame sney`
17:03<sney`>D:
17:03<xover>sney: how do I use make in a way that fully utilises my system resources so that i can compile as quickly as possible?
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17:05<sney`>xover: trial and error for every system. -j3 works best for 2-way in my experience, ymmv. just don't run -j without a number as it will fork the maximum amount of jobs.
17:05<xover>sney: thank you
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17:05<gdb>gcc -j$(($(cat /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l)+1))
17:06<gdb>:-D
17:06<gdb>er
17:06<weasel>*cough*
17:06<gdb>gcc -j$(($(cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l)+1))
17:06<gdb>there we go
17:06<sney`>-j is a make option
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17:06<sney`>I don't think gcc can fork jobs on its own
17:06<gdb>ok, then make (I never compile anything anymore, my need to do that went away 10 years ago) sorry!
17:06<locklace>!uuoc gdb
17:06*dpkg hands gdb the "useless use of cat" award
17:06<sney`>lol
17:06<gdb>haha
17:07<gdb>yeah, sure, grep processor /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l
17:07<gdb>that works, too!
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17:07<weasel>I wonder how smart that is in the precense of HT
17:07<locklace>gdb: or like, grep -c
17:07<rik_>grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo
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17:08<sney`>HT reads as separate cpus in cpuinfo
17:08<weasel>exactly.
17:08<gdb>oh nice, that's something i didn't know (wrt: -c) thanks
17:08<weasel>doesn't mean they are seperate CPUs tho
17:08<weasel>(evil gnu specific flags)
17:09<sney`>I had a xeon workstation that was basically 4-way because of HT, running it as if they were 4 real cpus for compiles worked pretty well in my opinion
17:09<weasel>in the end it probably doesn't matter much anyway
17:09<gdb>This system here I have is HT and there's no way to tell in the OS, that I'm aware of, that it's HT and no discrete cores.
17:09<locklace>weasel: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/grep.html
17:10<weasel>and if you build stuff a lot you probably want ccache and distcc anyway
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17:10<cesurasean>error loading operating system when i try to boot from the 2nd hard drive. how do i get grub installed on this drive?
17:10<weasel>locklace: *blink*
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17:10<xover>sney: how many jobs do you run make with on the xeon?
17:10<gdb>weasel: He meant that for me, I think.
17:10<weasel>gdb: nope
17:10<gdb>Ah
17:10<sney`>xover: I don't have the system anymore, but when I did it was 5
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17:11<xover>my laptop has turned into a stone oven, i might knock that -j option on the head.
17:12<sney`>what?
17:12<xover>with both cores at 100% its heats up
17:12<sney`>well, yeah
17:12<sney`>I hope you aren't surprised
17:12<xover>its good to know for servers though, thanks
17:13<xover>im not i just wanted to know how i could do it
17:13<tlyu>aren't speedstep and other cpu throttling technologies wonderful?
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17:15<sney`>yes, they keep my pants from catching fire!
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17:20<success>help
17:20<sney`>!ask
17:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:21<success>no encuntro drives para ubuntu y no puedo conectar mi impresora solo los hay para DOS
17:21<success>ayuda
17:21<sney`>!es
17:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:21<adb>!ubuntu
17:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
17:22<sney`>haha you think he'll be able to read that
17:22<success>ok gracias
17:22<bja>success: en #debian-es o en #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.org
17:22<bja>Suerte
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17:22<bja>sney`: I am sure he can read the last two
17:23<sney`>yeah
17:23<sney`>just not the !ubuntu response
17:23<bja>He'll get the idea
17:23<bja>:)
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17:25<adb>needs a topic like "ubuntu user ? install debian and come back" ..
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17:26<sney`>haha no kidding
17:26<sney`>in all the languages
17:26<adb>sure
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17:28<gdb>I came to Debian through Ubuntu. I feel Ubuntu's QA leaves a lot to be desired and figured, hey, why not try the real deal? I'm much happier now.
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17:29<sney`>gdb: are you and adb related?
17:29<maciek>hello! a have a problem with flash on my lenny
17:29<sney`>maciek: details!
17:30<maciek>okej
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17:32<maciek>i use Iceweasel. I have installed "flashplugin-nonfree" v.9, but sobe videos didnt goes... and i installed flashplugin-nonfree in v.10
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17:32<maciek>but after reboot i cant see any flash animations
17:32<maciek>it disappeared
17:32<maciek>what should i do now?
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17:36<maciek>i reinstalled adobe plugin, but i cant see anywhere macromedia flash - it was here before reboot... i cant install it because aptitude cant find this plugin...
17:40<cesurasean>how do i install grub on a system that say
17:40<cesurasean> says cannot find operating system?
17:41<cesurasean>:/
17:41<locklace>!reinstall grub
17:41<dpkg>See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html. Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>
17:41<maciek>nobody can help me?
17:42<aura_cabarcas>hi, my box belongs to a LAN which reaches through a Router. it works with DHCP; i need to control some hosts (wireless radios acting as bridges) in the LAN via fixed IP's. this file doesn't work http://paste.debian.net/58037/ thanks in advance.
17:42<chealer>maciek: which browser do you use?
17:42<maciek>Iceweasel (firefox)
17:43<chealer>maciek: you can't install what?
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17:46<cesurasean>locklace, thx
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17:47<sloik255>sorry it's me "maciek" I lost my connection, and my nick is in use
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18:08<slipshot>anyone have any trouble out of python-wxgtk2.6 when you update?
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18:13<themill>slipshot: check the bts
18:14<slipshot>bts?
18:14<themill>!bts
18:14<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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18:14<slipshot>oh ok i see
18:15<slipshot>i googled it and it seems this is pretty common problem
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18:16<slipshot>im missing the wxversion.py file
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18:16<slipshot>anyone know how i could get my hands on it?
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18:16<slipshot>i need it for python 2.6
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18:17<adb>slipshot, on sid ?
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18:18<slipshot>wonder if i can get the file out of the source code?
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18:19<adb>python-wxversion < is installed ?
18:20<slipshot>half way it is having trouble finishing the install because it says that file is missing
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18:21<slipshot>let me see if i can get the source and fix it that way
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18:22<jack>hi, my font look bad on my debian (lcd screen) here a screenshot http://imagebin.org/82470 how to improve this ?
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18:23<adb>wrong paste ?
18:24<adb>nvm ..
18:24<jack>me ? no.. it is a little screen of a vim buffer
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18:26<themill>slipshot: that bug is fixed in the sid version of the package, try using it again
18:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 397] by debhelper
18:27<slipshot>so i should be able to get the .deb out of the sid repos and install it like that?
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18:29<slipshot>well that worked! thank you very much themill
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18:30<themill>no worries
18:30<slipshot>now one more question
18:31<slipshot>is there a way to hold a package back from updating?
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18:31<slipshot>every time i update my cairo-dock go's all to crap
18:32<themill>slipshot: either put it on hold or use aptitude forbid-version. If you're running squeeze though, that's not likely to be sustainable for very long
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18:34<slipshot>when i update can i do sudo aptitude safe-upgrade hold cairo-dock cairo-dock-plug-ins ?
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18:35<slipshot>or would it be more like? sudo aptitude safe-upgrade --hold cairo-dock cairo-dock-plug-ins ?
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18:39<themill>You'll get a [Y/n/q/?] prompt before anything happens. Type ":cairo-dock cairo-dock-plug-ins" at that prompt.
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18:40<slipshot>ok cool
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19:20<gat>when apt-pinning specific packages, would updates not be installed for those packages because some of their dependencies couldn't be installed due to a lower-than-necessary pin priority?
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19:22<RationalGaze>would anybody here be willing to PM me your .bash_aliases file?
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19:24<gat>RationalGaze: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bash_aliases&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any this might do
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19:25<noxon>need help w/ bt4
19:26<RationalGaze>gat: thanks
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19:28<xover>I booted to a new kernel and im receiving a kernel_thread_helper error and the VM hangs. How do I troubleshoot this?
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19:31<gat>xover: one fix is to revert to an older kernel and skip this kernel update
19:31<gat>xover: this is an old bug but it sounds similar to your problem, perhaps what they do is relevant: http://old.nabble.com/Broken-Lenny-kernel--td20886006.html
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19:45<ChorizoGrueso>It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place! No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right. They never will! The same goes for New Orleans! Cancun in Mexico suffered few fatalities after their major hurricane, and the rebuilding is already completed. What have the niggers in New Orlean
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19:45<ChorizoGrueso>s done? If you are sick of this, join Chimpout forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum
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19:49<rjent>Greetings, did dist-upgrade on my sid system and on my wireless adapter I have to rmmod ath5k then modprobe ath5k to make the network adapter work. Any ideas how to correct this?
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19:50<gat>rjent: when you do that is it tied to a system boot, waking, or ?
19:51<rjent>gat: system boot
19:51<rjent>gat: I have not tried a waking
19:51<rjent>2.6.32-trunk-686 (Debian 2.6.32-5
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19:52<rjent>gat: It took me a while to figure out to try that. :)
19:52<gat>rjent: well as a dirty fix you could setup a thing to rmmod and modprobe each time you boot. then maybe try removing it after updating again.
19:53<rjent>gat: Yes I will write a small wrapper script to fix it for short term.
19:53<rjent>Did not know if anyone else had seen and had a simple fix.
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19:56<LieGruppe>hi
19:56<LieGruppe>i upgraded today my testing installation
19:56<LieGruppe>in this update, xorg got upgraded
19:57<LieGruppe>after that and a reboot my video device was broken
19:57<LieGruppe>i booted it, it shows the login screen flickering, i enter my login information
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19:58<LieGruppe>kde starts and after about a minute the kde window dissappears and i get a darkblue-gray screen
19:58<LieGruppe>now i have access to the computer via ssh
19:58<LieGruppe>there is nothing unusual in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
19:59<LieGruppe>i run a toshiba l40 laptop with intel gma900
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20:16<tp43>How long of a process is it to upgrade my current bpo system, to kde4?
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20:16<tp43>Ok, I am gonna change stable to testing in sources.list and do apt-get install kde4 and see what happens
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20:30<necrocter>hi, i had a problem with grub-pc in sid when i did apt-get install i would like to rollback to the previous version, who do i do that?
20:30<necrocter>how*
20:31<edhunter>necrocter: add testing repo then apt-get -t testing grub-pc. that should do it
20:31<necrocter>k, thx edhunter
20:31<edhunter>ah also apt-get update after adding the repo
20:32<necrocter>ok, thx
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20:34<necrocter>i hate when sid have this kind of nasty bugs :P
20:34<edhunter>well thats what happens when you are running sid :)
20:34<edhunter>i was lucky enough to have seen the bug report before dist-upgrade
20:34<necrocter>yeah :(
20:35<necrocter>lol
20:35<necrocter>i think i will read the lastest bug reports before dist-upgrade :P
20:36<edhunter>good luck with that ;)
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20:39<necrocter>hmm doesn't let me install the testing version it says that grub-pc is in the last version
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20:40<edhunter>necrocter: did you use -t testing ?
20:40<necrocter>yep
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20:44<edhunter>necrocter: no clue then..
20:45<necrocter>:( i will need to do it manually, that sucks
20:46<edhunter>necrocter: here is the bug report in case you are interested http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23567437
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20:47<necrocter>k, thx edhunter, it's done :D
20:47<edhunter>cool
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21:01<tp43>ok, I got kde4, but now, compiz doesn't show window borders
21:02<tp43>gonna reboot to see if it helpd
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21:19<tp43>hmmm, when I do apt-get dist-upgrade I get E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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21:28<bremner>exit
21:28<bremner>sorry.
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21:30<tp43>;whats a rough estimate for when squeeze will be stable
21:32<vulc4n>lol
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21:32<vulc4n>tp43: never.
21:32<vulc4n>:P
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21:37<ZeroCide>anyone here who can assist setting up a mailserver using courier only for imap/pop access
21:37<ZeroCide>running debian 5
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21:43<tp43>vulc4n, ok then, I am gonna install it from testing then
21:44<ZeroCide>vulc4n or tp43 either of you good with courier-mta and courier-imapd/popd with courier-authlib-pam
21:44<ZeroCide>?
21:45<tp43>ZeroCide, dunno about it
21:45<ZeroCide>ahh ok
21:46<ZeroCide>trying to get the mailserver up and running
21:46<ZeroCide>lol
21:46<ZeroCide>having trouble
21:46<ZeroCide>and dont really want to do a source install of courier just so the docs on courier-mta.org work
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21:57<tp43>ZeroCide, what is your problem?
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21:57<tp43>personnaly, I think my herbal tea has psychiatric drugs in them courtesy of the gov, lol
21:58<tp43>They can write all the legislation all they want, they have NO right
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22:00<ZeroCide>lol tp43
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22:00<tp43>man...I am downloading testing, but I wanna do a reboot too, but I did http download, so I have to wait
22:00<ZeroCide>tp43 after running sudo aptitude install courier-mta courier-authlib courier-authlib-pam ect ect
22:01<ZeroCide>i still cant connect to the mail server externally
22:01<ZeroCide>when i try to send emails to a non local host
22:01<ZeroCide>it returns with relay not allowed
22:01<tp43>ZeroCide, hmm, I thought you were trying to run a server. Maybe you have to configure router
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22:03<ZeroCide>no router tp43
22:03<ZeroCide>its a vps
22:03<ZeroCide>no blocked ports
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22:06<Guest38>helo
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22:06<Guest38>hello
22:07<Guest38>any one?
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22:15<tp43>ZeroCide, what kind of mail server?
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22:17<ZeroCide>tp43 courier
22:17<ZeroCide>...
22:17<ZeroCide>as ive stated before
22:17<tp43>http://www.postfix.org/basic.html#relaying
22:17<ZeroCide>it will be used for several domains
22:17<ZeroCide>i prefer courier tbh over postfix
22:17<ZeroCide>as courier is one big suit
22:18<tp43>ZeroCide, I have no experience in this stuff
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22:52<cesurasean>ok, i have got into my system using the super boot disk, but it's read only. do i need to unmount, and remount and reinstall grub2?
22:53<cesurasean>it's read only filesystem, and i don't know what to do.
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22:58<jmarsden>mount -o rw,remount /mountpoint-of-the-filesystem # usually changes that :)
22:59<jmarsden>cesurasean: But if you are working in a rescue environment and don't know what to do... you are perhaps "in over your head" ... be careful.
23:00<cesurasean>jmarsden, thx
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23:00<adb>cesurasean, plus first try to find "why" is read only mounted
23:00<jmarsden>You're welcome.
23:01<adb>cesurasean, may be a disk issue behind ..
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23:04<ZeroCide>jmarsden you anygood with courier
23:04<ZeroCide>?
23:05<jmarsden>I doubt it; choose Postfix or Exim and I might be more useful to you.
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23:06<jmarsden>ZeroCide: But given : <ZeroCide> i prefer courier tbh over postfix I would assume you know it decently yourself, or you'd not be able to rationally decide that you prefer it!
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23:09<tp43>how do I make more room on my harddrive?
23:10<weechat2>tp43: depends on your situation: don't want to remove anything? ...?
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23:11<tp43>weechat2, well, I was think maybe there was some tools, like how you can do apt-get clean
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23:11<Tex>tp43: no it's more complex
23:11<Tex>tp43: you've to use a livecd (because the partition must be unmounted), then a tool as parted
23:12<Tex>koko_-: ?
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23:12<Tex>hi K0K0_-
23:12<K0K0_->hi tex
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23:12<jhb1608>hello
23:13<K0K0_->hi you !!
23:13<jhb1608>I needm ore information on Debian for PowerPC
23:13<tp43>Tex, hmm, I see thanks
23:13<tp43>tp43, hey, to use gnomebaker, do you have to mount the cdrom-rw first?
23:13<Tex>ok
23:13<Tex>I come back
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23:16<jhb1608>I need the info on Debian for PowerPC, documentation, instruction how to burn, etc.
23:16<tp43>jhb1608, what did you install on?
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23:16<tp43>jhb1608, you put debian on a mac machine?
23:17<tp43>jhb1608, you can burn cd with gnomebaker, its easy to use
23:17<jhb1608>yes was planning oti nstall on my 700MHz eMac PowerPC
23:17<jmarsden>jhb1608: Read http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/
23:17<jhb1608>this is what I need
23:17<jhb1608>thanks!
23:18<jmarsden>You're welcome.
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23:18<ml|>jhb1608: /msg dpkg debianppc
23:19<jhb1608>ok I don't see any eMac information will power pc G4 will aplly on my eMac?
23:19<ZeroCide>jmarsden noted
23:19<ZeroCide>sorry for the late reply
23:19<ZeroCide>i know that i prefer it because i used to use it
23:19<ZeroCide>lol
23:20<ml|>jhb1608: if it's a g4 yes
23:20<ZeroCide>at the time it was prefconfigured by my old host
23:20<jhb1608>Alright, just making sure
23:20<ZeroCide>and the new host doesnt configure things like that anymore
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23:20<jhb1608>just in case my Mac get berserked then I'll install Debian on it
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23:21<jhb1608>but if debian on mac have more feature than my Mac, then good
23:22<tp43>jhb1608, like what
23:22<tp43>jhb1608, faster and more secure, and way more applications, thats for sure
23:23<adb>debian on mac= 2 x mac ..
23:23<adb>;)
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23:23<jhb1608>Yeah
23:24<jhb1608>I am only concerned is my digital camera.
23:24<tp43>jhb1608, whats wrong with it
23:24<tp43>jhb1608, I bet it works
23:24<jhb1608>well it works fine in Mac just beautifully
23:24<jhb1608>but not on certainl inux distros and windoze
23:24<tp43>jhb1608, kde4 is sweet
23:25<jhb1608>I know
23:25<jhb1608>:)
23:25<tp43>jhb1608, you probably just plug it in, and it will open a window
23:25<jhb1608>Hmm... I hope so
23:25<jhb1608>some OSes don't do that
23:25<jhb1608>liek for example, mac
23:26<jhb1608>I had to manally start Image capture
23:26<tp43>I am waiting for debian testing cd1 right now, I hope its not too many bugs, cause I am gonna install it now. I wonder when it will be in stable
23:27<jhb1608>but I will get the Mac system restore CDs anyways in case linux get beserked :/
23:27<tp43>jhb1608, didn't they come with it, hey, maybe you can dual boot eh
23:27<jhb1608>I wonder...
23:27<jhb1608>hm.
23:27<tp43>jhb1608, you know they latest mac's use bash shell now
23:27<jhb1608>I dunno if mac can handle the resizing the partition :P
23:28<jhb1608>lol my Mac isp owerpc
23:28<jhb1608>powerpc
23:28<jhb1608>so intel mac CDs is not working on my 700mhz
23:28<jhb1608>:P
23:29<tp43>jhb1608, yeah, hehe, you have to have the right cd for you cpu, of course
23:30<jhb1608>Exactly.
23:30<jhb1608>I only can get Mac OS 10.1.2 system CDs :?
23:30<jhb1608>specififcally for my mac
23:30<jhb1608>but I'm running 10.4.11 lol
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23:32<jhb1608>oh well.
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23:32<jhb1608>it is why I am burning Debian for PPC so I don't need ot worry
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23:41<kop>I just got sound working. Is there a better way? I've never tried to make sound come out of a computer before. (!) It's an old ENSONIQ SoundscapeVIVO ISA PNP card. I installed gnome-media and ran alsaconf and alsamixer. It seems to work with the childsplay program. Is there a better way and did I leave anything undone/untested?
23:44<cesurasean>what line do i need to add to my sources.list to install a file from cdrom?
23:45<kop>cesurasean: See the example in "man sources.list".
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23:45<cesurasean>kop, thx
23:46<ml|>!apt-cdrom
23:46<dpkg>i guess apt-cdrom is used to add a new CDROM to APT's list of available sources: man apt-cdrom. See also <apt-cdrom_external>.
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23:51<cesurasean>ml|, thx
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23:51<ml|>np
23:53<ZeroCide>anyone here good with courier-mta
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23:57<ml|>ZeroCide: just ask your question /msg dpkg anyone
23:59<ZeroCide>ml its more than a question
23:59<ZeroCide>since the courier-mta.org site docs
23:59<ZeroCide>lack support for the configuration of the debian based package install
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