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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-01-31

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00:00<stack_underflow>just resize the partition
00:00<stack_underflow>gparted does non destructive repartition; i recommend you use the live cd
00:00<stack_underflow>resizing*
00:00<PlainFlavored>you can also use a debian livecd
00:00<stack_underflow>really?
00:00<PlainFlavored>as far as i know
00:01<stack_underflow>i thought debian was only available as the text based installer
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00:01<PlainFlavored>maybe i'm way off-base
00:01<stack_underflow>you're probably right, i've just always used the text based cd (net install)
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00:02<samtry>When I first install debain it asked me if i want to use the entire partition and i choosed yes since i am new to it.
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00:02<samtry>i am trying to resize it now
00:03<stack_underflow>are you using a text based installer or gui?
00:03<stack_underflow>i've never tried resizing partitions using the debian installation, but with gparted, it's just a matter of moving the slider and hitting apply
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00:04<stack_underflow>i've never fully understood the algorithm gparted uses to resize partitions, i tried asking the guys on the gparted forum and they kinda indirectly asnwered my question
00:05<samtry>yes i did that before on a desktop using knoppix before i install debian but it doesn't seemed to work on a laptop
00:05<stack_underflow>the cd doesn't boot?
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00:06<stack_underflow>sometimes, you have to run startx or i think there's a 'force-video' command (i vaguely remember that) and i had to specify my screen resolution and gfx card
00:06<samtry>no it booted but it does not have gparted tool like it did on a desktop
00:06<stack_underflow>just get the gparted live cd
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00:07<stack_underflow>http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
00:07<stack_underflow>and i think knoppix comes with qparted or something; i only use it for partimage and photorec
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00:07<samtry>ok i thing you are right about the video
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00:09<samtry>anyway, i just try to resize it and it seemed like it wanted me to do something about the linux-swap 2.90gib
00:09<samtry>i am not sure?
00:09<stack_underflow>what is it saying?
00:09<stack_underflow>you can always create and activate a swap partition later
00:10<samtry>it doese not say anything just move my cursor to linux-swap and higlighted it
00:11<stack_underflow>uhh you don't have to do anything with it
00:11<stack_underflow>could you give me a list of what your partition order is
00:11<samtry>ok let me ask you another question when i download anything where doese the file/s store in?
00:11<stack_underflow>or fdisk -l, but i don't think it'll look too good in this client
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00:12<stack_underflow>well depending on what program you're using and where you tell it to
00:12<sney`>I don't even use swap at all. if you have a lot of memory all your swap is good for is hibernation and handling really huge files and
00:12<sney`>...and nothing!
00:12<stack_underflow>ya i have 2 gigs of ram and i don't use swap, when i had a swap partition, debian hardly touched it
00:13<samtry>ext3 146.15Gib 6.57GiB(used) 139.59 GiB (Unused)
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00:13<samtry>extended 2.90 GiB .... ......
00:13<stack_underflow>where is the swap partition, and is it logical or primary?
00:13<stack_underflow>oh
00:13<samtry>linux-swap 2.90GiB ..... .......
00:13<stack_underflow>uhh what do you want to do with the resized partition? format it as ext3 or ntfs or something?
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00:14<stack_underflow>is the 139.59 what you resized?; i'm a bit confused, could you tell me what you want to do?
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00:15<grubprob>hi .. can someone help me with GRUB problems ?
00:15<sney`>more detail
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00:15<grubprob>I have a Lenny installation with XP
00:15<grubprob>and also a Haiku install
00:15<samtry>i want to resize it to 40GiB as Fat32, 50GiB as NTFS and the rest as ext3
00:15<grubprob>on 2 different drives
00:16<grubprob>1 drive is 80 GB and has the Debian and XP
00:16<grubprob>and the other is 8 GB and has the Haiku install
00:16<stack_underflow>samtry, just specify that using the gui in gparted, resize the partitions accordingly and then right click it, select New > and then pick a file system
00:16<stack_underflow>note, that you can only have 4 primary partitions on a hard drive
00:16<grubprob>the problem now is that when i start my sytem, the grub os selection screen dsnt show up
00:16<stack_underflow>or 3 primary and an extended with unlimited logical inside them
00:17<sney`>grubprob: what happens instead?
00:17<stack_underflow>grubprob, do you know what bootloader is on your MBR right now?
00:17<grubprob>and it automatically goes to the Windows recovery console kind of screen
00:17<grubprob>last i knew, GRUB was on
00:17<stack_underflow>so ntldr?
00:17<sney`>so you installed xp after debian/
00:17<grubprob>no
00:17<grubprob>i installed debian after XP
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00:18<stack_underflow>did you install grub to (hd0,0) when it asked?
00:18<stack_underflow>or the bootsector of the partition
00:18<stack_underflow>if the latter, you have to chainload it through ntldr
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00:18<grubprob>but even windows does not even load properly .... it shows the Windows screen and restarts
00:18<grubprob>ive been using this system for like a year without problems
00:18<grubprob>with GRUB as the bootloader
00:18<samtry>yes i am going to after i figure out how to resize it. if i download gparted live cd, do i have to start from scratch.
00:18<stack_underflow>do you know if you didn't wipe your windows partition by accident?
00:19<grubprob>i booted with an ubuntu livecd
00:19<sney`>grubprob: ok, pick a livecd and boot with it, then mount and chroot your debian installation, install os-prober
00:19<grubprob>and all seems fine
00:19<stack_underflow>samtry, what do you mean by scratch? as long as you havn't written any changes to disk, i guess so
00:19<grubprob>ok ...
00:19<grubprob>then ?
00:19<sney`>when os-prober is installed it automatically detects other OSes on the computer and updates grub
00:19<grubprob>i see
00:19<sney`>so then you should be able to reboot safely.
00:20<stack_underflow>sney`, i tried os-prober with grub 1.9something and it found my 7 partition but didn't even boot into bootmgr
00:20<sney`>it's working fine on stable and testing with grub-pc.
00:20<grubprob>can u please explain how to chroot ?
00:20<samtry>i mean do i have to boot with gparted live cd and repatitions and then reinstall debian again. Then, install WinXP?
00:20<think43>I cant get synaptics going, no kwin repace with compiz ie no composing
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00:21<sney`>grubprob: yep, just chroot /mnt/point where /mnt/point is where you mounted your lenny install
00:21<sney`>chroot is the command
00:21<stack_underflow>samtry, if your OS's are still intact and you haven't deleted them, you should be fine when you resize your partitions
00:21<stack_underflow>i suggest defragging xp before resizing it
00:22<stack_underflow>sney`, don't you have to specify an octal value?
00:22<stack_underflow>oh nvm
00:22<sney`>not unless something is broken
00:22<stack_underflow>that's chmod
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00:22<stack_underflow>i think
00:22<sney`>yes, chmod accepts both octals and +- mode changes
00:22<sney`>chroot has some extra debugging options that I've never needed to touch
00:22<stack_underflow>ahh i remember now
00:22<grubprobnew>sorry guys im using a webirc and it fucked up .. could someone please copy paste ?
00:22<stack_underflow>haven't used it in so long
00:22<grubprobnew>extremely sorry
00:22<samtry>ok good. so can you tell me where will the file be stored in after i download the gparted live cd. I seemed to have problem finding the files that i downloaded.
00:22<sney`>[22:21] <sney`> grubprob: yep, just chroot /mnt/point where /mnt/point is where you mounted your lenny install
00:23<stack_underflow>samtry, what program are you using?
00:23<stack_underflow>samtry, like a web browser? wget?
00:23<grubprobnew>ok sney
00:23<grubprobnew>thanks a ton
00:23<grubprobnew>iill go chk it now and get back
00:23<grubprobnew>thanks guys
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00:24<samtry>iceweasel web broswer
00:25<samtry>what do you recommend i use?
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00:25<stack_underflow>samtry, that's good, it's the same as firefox, just rebranded, anyway, if you're wondering were your files are being saved by default, go to Edit>Preferences and then check in the Main tab
00:26<stack_underflow>under the 'Download' section
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00:26<samtry>ok i will try thanks
00:26<think43>samtry, I am pretty sure the debian install cd can resize, but I used gparted and it worked great, you just better let windows do its fschk once for the first boot
00:28<samtry>yes i am thinking the same thing and don't want to spend anymore time downloading gparted.
00:29<think43>I manually installed kde, after installing base system, but I think it didnt install every thing, so I am gonna re-install that way
00:29<samtry>did you do partitions before you install debain of after like I am trying to do?
00:29<think43>samtry, you have to do partitions before install, what would you wanna do post install, the install is done and working, then your good
00:29<stack_underflow>i recommend figuring out a partition layout before hand, but in this case you can always resize; btw, the gparted live cd is only 100MBs
00:30<samtry>I want to dual boot. Linux and winxp
00:30<think43>samtry, what is the boot situation now?
00:31<stack_underflow>if you really want to keep your OS data and you're considering reinstalling everything from scratch, you can use partimage to create an image of your system partitions, fix up your partition layoud and then deploy the images back to your partitions
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00:32<samtry>it booted fine after i installed debain but i have not rebooted yet. so, i don't after i rebooted it. should i reboot the system now?
00:33<think43>samtry, yeah probably, at the end of the install, when it run grub, it will say, you also have windows xp, woud you like to boot that too, and then it will autoboot it. But you edit grub after and include windows XP, But do a reboot, and see if it is already working, if not, you will have to edit grub and do grub-update or something like that
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00:35<samtry>ok i will try to downlaod the gparted and then reboot. thanks for all your help and many more to come.
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00:46<TenkenT>is anybody there?
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00:47<samaira>hi all. i have installed packages from stable, unstable [transmission-gtk] and backports [ openoffice ]. i have removed the package of transmission from my system. how do i know whether any packages from unstable are still in my system. thank u
00:48<samaira>yesterday night i have updated the system : aptitude update, aptitude full-upgrade. i did not created /etc/apt/preferences file.
00:52<samaira>my specific issue : how do i make sure that only packages from stable are in system along with backport packages only ? if any package is from unstable is still in system how should i able to remove or downgrade the package or remove ?
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00:54<Joker>test
00:55<Joker>can any1 C me ?
00:55<samaira>Joker | yes
00:55<Joker>Thankgod....
00:56<Joker>can i ask here if i have a problem ?
00:57<gsimmons>Joker: Just go ahead and describe it.
00:59<Joker>Ty.... i installed backtrack final couple of days back & wen i try now it isnt updating
01:00<Joker>wen i try apt-get update & upgrade its not showin any updates
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01:00<gsimmons>Joker: BackTrack is not supported here. Join #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net instead.
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01:00<Joker>ok Ty bro... i will try 2 find a backtrack room :x
01:01<samtry>ok stack_underflow. I tried to turn off swap 2.90GIB and it let me resized(i have not reboot yet. My question to you is this what if i try to unmount the ext3 146.16GiB then try to resize it. Will this cause me to loose debain that i just installed.?
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01:02<jamuraa>does anyone know why my `xkbset m` seems to get undone a lot? Like I need to redo it in order to keep using my keyboard replacements for middle and right click on my macbook
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01:03<gdb>I'm needing to change the MTU on a dhcp configured interface on lenny and obviously adding "mtu 1492" to /etc/network/interfaces doesn't work. This document here (http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mtu.htm) suggests using pre-up to configure the MTU on the interface but this seems counter-intuitive to me. Why wouldn't one use post-up instead? Any ideas?
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01:05<gdb>It also notes that this information is "mostly obsolete in Sid and Etch" which doesn't seem correct because dhcp interfaces can't be configured (it would seem) without use of either pre-up or post-up calls to ifconfig. I'm leery of rebooting the machine to test it since I won't be physically near it until Monday.
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01:08<grubprob>ok guys .. im the guy with the grub problem ... as sney suggested, i took an ubuntu livecd, mounted my lenny partition and chrooted into it and installed os-prober
01:08<grubprob> however, when i tried to $run os-prober all it gave me was a bunch of permission denied for /dev/null ... i tried chmodding /dev/null with chmod a+x /dev/null but got the same results ..
01:09<grubprob> so i ran os-prober within ubuntu and it gave me the following results: dev/sda1 : MicroSoft Windows XP Professional: Windows: chain dev/sda2 : Debian (GNU/Linux) (5.0.3) : Debian: linux dev/sdb2: Microsoft Windows XP Professional: Windows1: chain
01:09<grubprob>can someone make any sense of that ?
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01:11<jamuraa>you have 2 installs of Windows XP, and one install of debian
01:11<grubprob>actually only one
01:11<jamuraa>well os-prober thinks you have 2
01:11<grubprob>which is why i wonder why there are two entries
01:11<grubprob>yes
01:12<grubprob>so what can i do next ?
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01:12<jamuraa>I don't know about your history, what exactly is the problem
01:12<grubprob>well i had a debian lenny and xp install
01:12<grubprob>on one hard disk
01:12<grubprob>and a haiku install on another
01:12<grubprob>i use GRUB
01:13<grubprob>but suddenly when i booted into my system it wouldnt show the os selection screen
01:13<grubprob>and it tried going straight to the windows xp install
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01:13<jamuraa>did you re-run `grub-install /dev/sda`
01:14<grubprob>but even that does not boot
01:14<grubprob>no i did not
01:14<jamuraa>it sounds like your grub did not install correctly
01:14<grubprob>umm
01:14<grubprob>ive been using it for a year
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01:15<jamuraa>hmm, could have been the change to grub-pc? I don't know, but if grub isn't coming up I would try reinstalling grub to the MBR first, which is what `grub-install /dev/sda` does
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01:15<jamuraa>but you need to make sure you are chrooted into your system first
01:15<jamuraa>(not just on the ubuntu livecd)
01:16<jamuraa>also you probably will have to bindmount the dev directory from the livecd in order to be able to have /dev/sda around
01:16<grubprob>how do i do that?
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01:17<jamuraa>say your lenny system is mounted as /media/lenny, you would run `mount --bind /dev /media/lenny/dev`
01:17<grubprob>ok
01:17<grubprob>then?
01:17<jamuraa>then `chrooot /media/lenny` and `grub-install /dev/sda`
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01:17<TenkenT>hey, is there anybody from Russia?
01:17<jamuraa>(if /dev/sda is your hard drive, I assume it is because of what os-prober said)
01:18<grubprob>ok
01:18<grubprob>ill try this now n get back
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01:28<grubprob> @ jamuraa: i tried doing grub-install /dev/sda but it said "grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda. Checck your device.map."
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01:29<grubprob>should i try with /dev/hda ?
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01:51<jamuraa>I don't think so
01:51<jamuraa>because your device is actually /dev/sda
01:51<gsimmons>gdb: Known issue, see Debian bug #294044. You can use "supersede interface-mtu 1492;" in an interface block (in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf) to locally configure.
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01:53<stack_underflow>for those who use aptitude, is there an equivalent to apt-key add? or is it safe to use that even if i only use aptitude?
01:53<jamuraa>stack_underflow: you can use that even if you only use aptitude, they use the same underlying place
01:54<stack_underflow>jamuraa, ok, thanks
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01:54<samaira>somebody please look into my matter
01:55<stack_underflow>is it suggested to use aptitude over apt, or does it not matter?
01:55<jamuraa>stack_underflow: I use aptitude more often nowadays than apt-get
01:56<stack_underflow>jamuraa, same, i just found the whole apt-get and apt-cache confusing - i just find aptitude easier to memorize
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01:59<TenkenT>In manual for my Ethernet card (D-link DFE 520fx) was written that installation driver for eth require compiling the driver source. I don't know how do this. I have got some files (rhine_main.c; rhine_proc.c; rhine_wol.c; Makefile and *.h files). I've tried gcc, and get nothing exept errors. In manual says that i must got *.o file. Who can say me how do this?
01:59<TenkenT>ps. Sorry fo my Einglish(
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02:04<stack_underflow>i don't have too much experience with compiling from source, but aren't you supposed to cd into the directory and then './compile; make; make install' ?
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02:05<stack_underflow>(3 different steps)
02:05<grubprob>@jamuraa .. i tried looking into device.map and it showed that sda was (hd0,0) .. so i did grub-install /dev/sda1 .. it completed successfully but i still have the same problem ... the grub selection screen doesnt show up
02:05<grubprob>i did grub-install /dev/sda*
02:05<grubprob>sorry
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02:06<grubprob>"grub-install /dev/sda"
02:08<jamuraa>hmm
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02:09<TenkenT>if i type ./compile, bash write '~ no such file or directory'. Make and Make install write 'Makefile 16: *** Linux kernel source not found. Stop'
02:09<gsimmons>TenkenT: AIUI, your device should already be supported by the Linux 2.6.26 kernel.
02:10<gsimmons>judd: pciid 1106:3106
02:10<judd>[1106:3106] is 'VT6105/VT6106S [Rhine-III]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'via-rhine' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3106
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02:12<stack_underflow>oh you have to install build-essentials or something
02:12<stack_underflow>look up a tutorial for 'how to compile from source' or something on google
02:13<jamuraa>grubprob: maybe your bios is trying to boot from the second drive?
02:14<TenkenT>To gsimmons: I have installed Debian in auto-install with full set of driver specially. But when i logged into Gnome i saw 'Network devices not found'. In /dev i didn't found eth0
02:14<gsimmons>TenkenT: What version of Debian are you using?
02:14<TenkenT>gsimmons: last stable
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02:15<TenkenT>ok i'll prove my system once again.
02:15<gsimmons>TenkenT: Please provide the PCI ID of your device (lspci -nn | grep Ether).
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02:18<TenkenT>1106:3106
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02:24<gsimmons>TenkenT: Is via-rhine loaded? Does "ifconfig -a" show an available Ethernet (ethX) interface?
02:26<jmarsden>TenkenT: That really should be supported... http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/VIA_RHINE.html So you do not (should not!) need to compile anything.
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02:28<TenkenT>ok guys, I most stupid user of Debian ever live in this world
02:29<TenkenT>when i type ifconfig i saw eth0 ... lo 127.... so problem was solved.
02:31<TenkenT>ping to my router work. It so wonderful
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02:34<TenkenT>but i don't understood yet why Gui network manager wrote 'Network device not found', and /dev didn't contain eth0
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02:36<TenkenT>i sorry once again, i just red that /dev musn't contain eth0
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04:57<cesurasean>ive checked my courier/postifx, and saslauthd is in fact running. why is it that i cannot login with any accounts? :(
05:00<cesurasean>i think it may be a result of this: clear text auth
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05:04<cesurasean>Disconnected (tried to use disabled plaintext auth)
05:04<cesurasean>why is it having troubles?
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05:16<Files>elo
05:16<Files>pomoze ktos ze sterami nvidi?
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05:31<retr0xx>I'm reading install directions for World of Warcraft through WINE, and it says I need to exec 'glxinfo |grep "direct rendering" ' in a terminal
05:31<retr0xx>but I don't have 'glxinfo'
05:31<retr0xx>Is there a way to get it or an alternative to see if I have direct rendering?
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05:32<diggy>install it
05:32<retr0xx>I tried to, and it just installed mesa-utils
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05:34<retr0xx>Also, my connection randomly disconnects and reconnects every few minutes.
05:34<retr0xx>any idea as to what's wrong?
05:36<locklace>!readmind retr0xx
05:36*dpkg reads retr0xx's mind... it's all empty
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05:37<retr0xx>Got glxinfo
05:37<retr0xx>any idea as to my disconnect problem?
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05:40<locklace>stand by...trained psychics are at work
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05:48<slush>bad connection? broken cable? drunken dhcp?
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06:01<retr0xx>Slush: The connection is fine really, and the cable has been perfect for like 7-8 weeks so far.
06:02<retr0xx>Never had this kind of problem before, just migrated from XP and I've never ever ever disconnected ever
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06:02<retr0xx>It's saying 'disconnected from network' but I'm not like, logging out / reconnecting to IRC or anything. skype looks like it may possibly be reconnecting but thats just the icon
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06:03<slush>what exactly is saying that?
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06:04<retr0xx>I'm on GNOME, it's the little connection icon in my taskbar thing
06:04<retr0xx>top right corner
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06:04<retr0xx>Two little computers; a little bubble drops down saying 'Disconnected' then it reconnects in a few seconds
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06:05<retr0xx>Here's a screenshot
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06:05<locklace>troubleshooting in the windows age
06:06<retr0xx>http://i45.tinypic.com/1z3cx0h.png
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06:07<slush>right-click on it, select properties
06:07<locklace>retr0xx: what version of debian is this
06:07<slush>see if you can find out what is giving that message
06:07<retr0xx>it's lenny
06:08<retr0xx>there is no Properties; there's 'Connection Information' and 'About'
06:08<retr0xx>:< I'm kinda new to the *nix scene, sorry if I seem redundant
06:09<locklace>retr0xx: what's the output of "uname -a"
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06:09<retr0xx>Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Sat Dec 26 09:01:51 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
06:09<slush>connection information it is then
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06:10<retr0xx>http://i47.tinypic.com/rqyzxw.png
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06:14<locklace>retr0xx: can you paste "ifconfig -a" and "dmesg | tail -100" output at http://paste.debian.net
06:15<retr0xx>bash: ifconfig
06:15<retr0xx>not foudn
06:15<retr0xx>found*
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06:16<retr0xx>http://paste.debian.net/58179/
06:16<iSuny>Re , Merci tout remarche Nikel =)
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06:19<locklace>retr0xx: replace ifconfig with /sbin/ifconfig
06:20<locklace>retr0xx: but the dmesg clearly shows either the driver, the card or the link is having problems
06:20<retr0xx>>_<
06:20<locklace>retr0xx: so if it runs completely clean in another os, it's probably driver fail, in which case you can try a new kernel version, like the one from backports
06:21<retr0xx>http://paste.debian.net/58180/
06:21<retr0xx>I have nooo idea how to upgrade my kernel. Uhm, have I been disconnecting / reconnecting from IRC at all?
06:21<locklace>yeah, looks like driver fail
06:21<retr0xx>Damnit >_<
06:21<locklace>retr0xx: no, tcp is resilient enough not to disconnect when things like that happen
06:22<iSuny>quelqu'un peu me dire si c'est potable de lancer une Vm d'xp sous uBuntu avec virtualBox et 1Go de ram sur un Epc :p ?
06:22<locklace>retr0xx: upgrading the kernel is easy
06:22<iSuny>hmm sorry =o
06:22<retr0xx>Can you point me in the direction of how to do so?
06:22<locklace>retr0xx: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686/download
06:23<locklace>retr0xx: download that .deb file and run dpkg -i on it as root, then reboot
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06:23<retr0xx>Alright
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06:33<retr0xx>Alright
06:33<davi>How to set proxy for any kind of connection, not only FTP or HTTP?
06:33<retr0xx>Should I be good to go now?
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06:37<retr0xx>Nope, it's still doing the disconnect
06:38<retr0xx>It's a lot more frequent aswell
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06:45<locklace>retr0xx: output of "uname -a" again?
06:45<locklace>retr0xx: what's this card connected to?
06:45<retr0xx>What do you mean? It's ethernet connected to a cable modem / router combo
06:45<retr0xx>Linux debian 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Aug 17 14:57:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
06:46<locklace>do you have windows on this box too?
06:46<retr0xx>Not anymore
06:46<locklace>ok. but it was running windows and the same link was stable, no changes to the network since then?
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06:48<retr0xx>Nope, I was running Windows not even 2 hours ago
06:48<retr0xx>same everything; this is also not the first Debian install either. This is the first time this has happened
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06:49<locklace>judd kernel --release sid
06:49<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5)
06:49<ae86-drifter>hi, i have just installed debian, and i had to edit my fstab to access my fat32 partition works fine but i need to be root to access the ntfs partition, could someone please help?
06:50<locklace>retr0xx: i'd try the .32 kernel from sid, but if that doesn't help it's time to look at other options
06:50<cahoot>ae86-drifter: access as in rw?
06:50<retr0xx>What other options are there?
06:51<ae86-drifter>cahoot, yes, i get rw permissions as user to the fat part but i dont even get to read the ntfs, i would like users to rw the ntfs
06:51<cahoot>ae86-drifter: try /msg dpkg ntfsrw
06:51<ae86-drifter>i can chown /media but the permissions seem to reset on a reboot
06:51<ae86-drifter>i mean /media/sdb1
06:52<ae86-drifter>bash: /msg: No such file or directory
06:52<locklace>retr0xx: start swapping things out
06:52<ae86-drifter>lol..
06:52<cahoot>!tell ae86-drifter -about ntfsrw
06:52<ae86-drifter>oops
06:53<retr0xx>It hasn't done it in a few minutes; I cancelled my WoW install. Let's see if it does it again
06:53<gdb>retr0xx: It drops when installing WoW (over the network?) but not any other time?
06:54<ae86-drifter>thanks cahoot
06:54<retr0xx>gdb: Trying to figure that out now, I'll see if I remain stable
06:54<gdb>retr0xx: Try this
06:55<gdb># ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492
06:55<gdb>then do your thing
06:55<gdb>(insert the correct name for your interface for eth0)
06:55<ae86-drifter>cahoot, after installing that, is there a way to restart fstab without a full reboot
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06:55<locklace>gdb: mtu setting isn't going to make the link drop, unless there's a driver bug
06:56<gdb>retr0xx: Is this a static IP or dhcp?
06:56<retr0xx>ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492 made me DC
06:56<retr0xx>it's static I believe
06:56<gdb>locklace: Not if he's behind a cisco (or cisco family) home router.
06:56<retr0xx>but uh yeah, that dropped me
06:56<gdb>or a PIX firewall
06:56<gdb>leave it at 1492 and try it again
06:56<ae86-drifter>i already had rw access to the partition, just not as a user
06:56<locklace>gdb: what
06:57<retr0xx>did that again and I didn't drop
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06:58<gdb>retr0xx: If this keeps you stable and it's a static IP that you're using, add "mtu 1492" to this interface's entry in /etc/network/interfaces. If it's a dhcp interface, then add "post-up /sbin/ifconfig $IFACE mtu 1492" (may be able to use pre-up instead).
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06:59<retr0xx>alright
06:59<gdb>retr0xx: Whenever I have odd network issues (generally through firewalls) I drop my MTU to 1492 (there's a wealth of documentation online regarding the significance of that number) and the issues generally go away.
07:00<locklace>gdb: there's no sane reason why a different MTU setting would impact the physical-layer ethernet link status
07:00<gdb>If 1492 doesn't work, try 1472. If neither works, then, well, I'm out of ideas.
07:01<retr0xx>Well so far the first time I executed ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492; it dropped me, then the second time I didn't drop. Now i'm stable and it looks to me like it'll stay that way
07:01<gdb>retr0xx: You can go through the tweaking steps yourself using this guide: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/695
07:01<retr0xx>I'll let you guys know if I DC, otherwise thanks sooooo much.
07:02<gdb>No worries, hope it keeps working for you. :)
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07:03<locklace>retr0xx: there've been significant driver changes between your original .26 kernel and this one, so with luck this version will be more stable
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07:03<retr0xx>Nope, loaded a webpage and disconnected
07:03<retr0xx>shit
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07:05<locklace>retr0xx: ok. can you "aptitude install ethtool" and run these commands as root and pastebin the output: "lspci -knn", "ethtool eth0", "dmesg", "ifconfig -a"
07:07<retr0xx>http://paste.debian.net/58182/
07:07<retr0xx>http://paste.debian.net/58183/
07:08<retr0xx>http://paste.debian.net/58184/
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07:08<retr0xx>http://paste.debian.net/58185/
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07:11<gdb>retr0xx: Is it possible to share the address of the site you were visiting that dropped your connection?
07:12<retr0xx>4chan.org >_> and it only dropped it once so far, I think it was coincidental
07:12<locklace>retr0xx: do you have any other boxes you can test the link with? e.g. connect via cross-over cable to another system instead of the router
07:12<retr0xx>IT's a router-modem combo, they're not seperate
07:12<locklace>i know
07:13<locklace>do you have another computer with an ethernet port, and a cross-over cable?
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07:13<retr0xx>Nope :\
07:13<retr0xx>Everything else uses wireless
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07:14<locklace>ok. in order to troubleshoot this issue properly, it's necessary to be able to rule out components by doing tests like that
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07:15<locklace>the only other options are to try some different link settings in ethtool or the router, or try yet another kernel to try to rule out driver problems
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07:16<locklace>you could try running it at 10/half instead of 100/full, for instance, and see if the behaviour changes
07:17<retr0xx>alright
07:18<locklace>having a look at whatever info the router provides about the port is a good idea too
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07:24<locklace>retr0xx: can you also try this kernel - http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686/download
07:24<meglaw>what does trunk mean
07:24<retr0xx>I've been stable so far
07:25<retr0xx>I'm configuring Conky and checking if I remain stable
07:26<locklace>retr0xx: the driver in your current .30 kernel seems better than the previous one, but not great
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07:28<ml|>meglaw: /msg dpkg trunk
07:28<locklace>retr0xx: this is almost certainly your problem: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11056
07:29<ml|>locklace: is that like one few things you can install from sid to stable, without issues?
07:29<gdb>I honestly believe the issue was an MTU mismatch caused by using NAT. I think retr0xx will be fine without any further action.
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07:30<gdb>http://www.snailbook.com/faq/mtu-mismatch.auto.html
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07:30<gdb>https://bugzilla.mindrot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=277
07:30<locklace>gdb: to be blunt, that's utter bullshit. do you even understand the network layer stack?
07:31<locklace>for example, the difference between the ethernet link layer and, say, tcp?
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07:31<gdb>locklace: His connections are dropping going through a home router. ie; TCP connections. I've not seen him report any issues on his local network.
07:32<gdb>He's lowered his MTU and reports a stable connection.
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07:32<gdb>I'm not sure what other evidence you need. I think you're troubleshooting an issue he doesn't have.
07:32<locklace>gdb: dude, his dmesg shows his eth0 link constantly dropping and restarting. this is a driver failure, and it's documented in the above kernel bug report.
07:33<locklace>did you even look at the dmesg pastes?
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07:34<jesus>yw
07:34<jesus>y
07:35<gdb>Well, I guess you're right. I see those in the dmesg output. I can't explain why he's not having issues right now then.
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07:35<locklace>gdb: because as the report clearly states, the problem is intermittent and triggered by load
07:35<locklace>ml|: yeah, usually the kernels are all right
07:36<ml|>locklace: ok, thanks for the info
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07:36<retr0xx>Do you think it could be because I'm dormant? I'm not doing anything at all except sitting in IRC; my pages are all loaded and passive
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07:36<jesus>111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
07:36<jesus>111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
07:36<jesus>111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
07:36<jesus>111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
07:36<locklace>!ops jesus
07:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: jesus
07:36<Caraculo>idiota
07:36<jesus>11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
07:36<gdb>retr0xx: Try loading the connection. Download something large, etc.
07:36<ml|>!ops jesus
07:36<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: jesus
07:36<jesus>j
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07:36<locklace>retr0xx: yes; look at http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11056
07:37<Caraculo>que te calles
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07:37<gsimmons>ml|: 2.6.32 is used to determine if an issue is still present (which would also impact Squeeze), e.g. Debian bug #530551.
07:38<retr0xx>while I attempt to overload my connection; do either of you have super sleek, like futuristic-esque desktops? with conky and launchbars and whatnot
07:39<retr0xx>I want my desktop to be full of bloat... I want it sexyfied and chromey or just not in the norm
07:39<gdb>I ran conky for a bit, it got distracted so I purged it. ;) I prefer a clean desktop.
07:39<gdb>got distracting*
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07:40<ml|>gsimmons: I see, but if it works fine to keep using it without issues?
07:40<retr0xx>http://images.4chan.org/wg/src/1264940835093.jpg I want something like that only linux-ified
07:41<abrotman>retr0xx: that is linux
07:41<abrotman>i think
07:41<retr0xx>that's vista bro.
07:41<retr0xx>it says at the bottom and there's a windows icon >_>
07:41<abrotman>retr0xx: no wonder it looks like kde :)
07:41<gdb>haha
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07:42<retr0xx>yep, there's a DC.
07:42<abrotman>see .. people using vista is so rare .. i didn't even know what it looked like :)
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07:42<retr0xx>Uhm, will it do this while I'm playing WoW? Like if it's doing this disconnect garbage when I'm downloading... is that gonna be bad?
07:42<gsimmons>ml|: If you want. You'll be upgrading to it eventually.
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07:42<locklace>retr0xx: yes, if the load is high enough
07:43<gdb>Well, locklace, my hat's off to your more thorough research. retr0xx, bump your MTU back up to 1500 and install a newer kernel as locklace suggested for troubleshooting.
07:43<retr0xx>LF;JDFL;KDFJ DAMNIT.
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07:43<retr0xx>:$ How do I bump it back up?
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07:43<gdb>ifconfig eth0 1500
07:43<ml|>gsimmons: just wondering, I'm on testing
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07:43<locklace>retr0xx: it's a driver bug that's still unresolved, but it's still worth trying the .32 kernel linked above.
07:43<abrotman>which driver is this?
07:43<gdb>As for WoW, hard to tell. It will probably drop in places like Dalaran or on raids, but not for just doing your dailies. ;-)
07:44<locklace>retr0xx: ironically, it was apparently stable in kernels before 2.6.25, so you could always install etch
07:44<locklace>abrotman: b44
07:44<abrotman>yay firmware ?
07:44<gsimmons>No, that's b43. :)
07:44<retr0xx>gdb: I don't even do raids / I can't even move in Dal, lol. so I avoid both; I'm not even close to geared enough for that.
07:44<retr0xx>But running 5-man heroics = bad?
07:44<gdb>heh
07:45<gdb>It will probably work there. That said, since this bug remains unresolved, you can always try getting a cheap NIC at the store and using that instead (if you're comfortable with installing it).
07:45<gdb>Unless this is a laptop, then you're fooked.
07:46<retr0xx>I just don't understand why it's doing this, I had the exact same install on the exact same computer like 5-6 months ago
07:46<retr0xx>and it was perfect
07:46<retr0xx>OFC I was on XFCE back then, but would GNOME really have that big of an impact if any?
07:47<gdb>The DE you're using should have no impact.
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07:56<abrotman> can he use the tg3 driver instead ? or is that for a different chipset ?
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07:57<retr0xx>Alright, I'll dualboot for my WoW I guess.
07:57<retr0xx>But uh
07:57<retr0xx>How do i upgrade gnome to 2.26?
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07:57<locklace>retr0xx: patched kernel: http://www.fi.muni.cz/~xbenes6/b44/
07:57<gsimmons>abrotman: Different chipset.
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07:58<retr0xx>that'll fix it, locklace?
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07:59<locklace>should do
07:59<retr0xx>alright.
07:59<abrotman>yay .. random kernels on the internets .. what could go wrong
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08:00<retr0xx>I'm sorry, weren't you the one confusing Linux for Vista?
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08:00<abrotman>yeah, but least i'm expecting vista to be r00ted
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08:01<abrotman>ciro89: go away
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08:09<khades>to have dualboot for wow
08:09<khades>it's working perfectly with wine
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08:19<josuay>warcraft3 - worst game never to be a world
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08:48<cmdKeen>Hi. I can't install fglrx-driver because 'Depends: xserver-xorg (>= 1:7.4+1) but it is not going to be installed'. dpkg -l xserver-xorg: xerver-xorg 1:7.5+2. Dependency hell with fglrx strikes back:)
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08:51<cmdKeen>radeonhd and even vesa looks working from X log, but give just black screen. Any ideas?
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09:11<stuckey>Hi
09:11<stuckey>Hello. I'm trying to use debian-multimedia for a few packages, but I don't want it to upgrade/mess with anything else on the system. I followed the wiki but I seem to be getting an error - E: Invalid record in the preferences file /etc/apt/preferences, no Package header
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09:18<Reda>hey
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09:19<fossiiil>Hello
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09:24<fossiiil>my us keyboard layout in Xorg on Debian Lenny is somehow broken...xev shows "keysym 0xa0, nobreakspace)" when i press spacebar....i never encountered this...any hint? My /etc/X11/xorg.conf is here: http://pastebin.com/d1cd4c40c
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09:32<kaziem>could someone help me with wpa_supplicant? can't get it to work under on my laptop, although the same config files work on my other computer
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09:38<gsimmons>kaziem: What specifically is not working? Are both systems using the same wpa_supplicant version (wpa_supplicant -v)?
09:38<kaziem>both are using v0.6.9
09:39<kaziem>I don't get any IP address asigned
09:39<kaziem>it's like the /etc/network/interfaces doesn't have any affect
09:40<kaziem>my setup is with a wpa_supplicant.conf and the interfaces file
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09:41<kaziem>when I start wpa_cli
09:41<kaziem>I get CTRL-EVENT-DISCONNECTED - Disconnect evet - remove keys
09:41<kaziem>each time that it tries to auth
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09:41<kaziem>and "Association request to the driver failed"
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09:42<kaziem>i'm using wext driver
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09:48<Monotoko>hi guys...i dont think xorg has found my driver
09:48<Monotoko>(if i even have a driver...)
09:49<gsimmons>kaziem: Do you know which driver your interface is using? (e.g. readlink /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/driver)
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09:50<kaziem>../../../../bus/pci/drivers/wl
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09:54<kaziem>gsimmons: sorry, I lost link
09:54<kaziem>the driver I'm using is wl
09:54<kaziem><kaziem> ../../../../bus/pci/drivers/wl
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09:56<gsimmons>kaziem: Define 'wpa-debug-level 1' in /etc/network/interfaces, ifup the interface, then after 1-2 minutes, pastebin the contents of the generated log (e.g. /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log) ; /msg dpkg paste
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09:59<gsimmons>kaziem: Sorry, you'll also need to set wpa-logfile (e.g. wpa-logfile /var/log/wpasupplicant).
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10:01<kaziem>ah, I was getting an error yea
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10:04<kaziem>can't get it to work even with the other option as well:
10:05<kaziem>wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start
10:05<kaziem>run-parts: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wpasupplicant exited with return code 1
10:05<kaziem>I added both options after the wpa-driver part in /etc/network/interfaces
10:06<kaziem>the same happens if I add it before
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10:08<ale>HOLA DEBHELPER
10:08<locklace>!es
10:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:12<gsimmons>kaziem: Alright, you're botching the additional options somehow. Remove them, start up "wpa_cli -i wlan0", enter "level 0" (without quotes) at the prompt, then raise your interface again. Pastebin the wpa_cli output you receive.
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10:13<gsimmons>kaziem: Also, are you attempting to associate with an access point not broadcasting its SSID (hidden)?
10:14<kaziem>no it's visible
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10:25<kaziem>gsimmons: http://paste.debian.net/58215
10:26<stuckey>Does anyone know how to set the region on a dvd drive?
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10:28<gsimmons>stuckey: regionset
10:29<stuckey>gsimmons: how do I get the name of the drive?
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10:30<stuckey> device The device corresponding to the DVD drive.
10:30<stuckey>that's so helpful
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10:30<stuckey>How the hell am I supposed to know what that is???
10:30<stuckey>I hate man pages sometimes.
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10:32<Nazcafan>hello
10:32<Nazcafan>I have been doing an aptitude search and I got a line that says:
10:32<Nazcafan>pB firmware-linux-nonfree - Binary firmware for various drivers in the
10:33<Nazcafan>what does the "B" stands for?
10:33<gsimmons>stuckey: Usually /dev/dvd (or next incremental value), a symlink created by udev pointing at the relevant block device.
10:33<Nazcafan>did not find in the manpage
10:33<stuckey>gsimmons: thank you
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10:33<stuckey>gsimmons: ERROR: Could not open disc "/dev/dvd"!
10:33<abrotman>Nazcafan: it tells you at the top
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10:34<abrotman>stuckey: he said 'usually'
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10:34<abrotman>Nazcafan: nevermind .. wrong tool, ignore me
10:34<Nazcafan>abrotman: OK
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10:35<abrotman>Nazcafan: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s02.html
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10:36<kaziem>any clue gsimmons ?
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10:37<Nazcafan>abrotman: thanks, I have bookmarked that page, now
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10:44<gsimmons>kaziem: Nothing obvious. Please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file and the associated wpa_supplicant configuration file (with the pre-shared key changed or removed).
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10:51<kaziem>gsimmons: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf = http://paste.debian.net/58217
10:52<kaziem>gsimmons: /etc/network/interfaces = http://paste.debian.net/58218
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10:53<Copinstan>perdon
10:53<Copinstan>como se usa una cámara???
10:53<Copinstan>alguien me puede ayudar???
10:54<stuckey>!spanish
10:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:55<Copinstan>gracias
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11:11<kaziem>gsimmons: btw.. I'm able to connect fine with network-manager
11:11<kaziem>but I don't like network-manager because I don't have connectivity if I don't use X
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11:12<prahal>kaziem, try wcid ... nm still lacks a cli frontend
11:12<gsimmons>kaziem: Well, there's cnetworkmanager if you want a CLI client for it.
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11:13<kaziem>is it as good as wpa_supplicant?
11:13<kaziem>I always thought wpa_supplicant was the only option
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11:14<jez>the Debian Jr project seems to be dead, seeing as the last news update was 2003
11:14<jez>am i right?
11:14<gsimmons>kaziem: In your configuration, an IP address won't be assigned as you're defining it statically (WRT apartamento_madrid). wpa_supplicant isn't getting as far as even attempting the handshake. Does wpa_supplicant work when configured to operate in managed mode?
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11:20<e8734t2ygh5>:|
11:20<kaziem>:|
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11:20<e8734t2ygh5>who could help me to check if my partition is encrypted correctly?
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11:22<e8734t2ygh5>guys :|?
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11:28<e8734t2ygh5>could anyone help me please :(?
11:29<e8734t2ygh5>i'm a nice 21yo girl :D
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11:31<meglaw>pics or its not true ;)
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11:32<edhunter>meglaw: pics dont make it true :p
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11:33<edhunter>e8734t2ygh5: be a bit more precise. how did you encrypt? generally speaking i have no clue on how you can check for the correctness of an encryption..
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11:34<e8734t2ygh5>well... I want to select (for example) first 100MB of /home partition and search /dev/sda1 for JPEG bits
11:34<e8734t2ygh5>it I'll find it this mean encryption not work
11:34<e8734t2ygh5>if*
11:35<edhunter>ah no clue then..
11:35<sney>sounds like you already know what to do then
11:35<e8734t2ygh5>I've installed Ubu 9.10. I've make Encryption Layer, then LVM inside and then 4 partition inside LVM
11:36<e8734t2ygh5>but I'm not sure if this work :|
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11:36<sney>we don't support ubuntu here. this is #debian. why do people come to #debian for ubuntu support?
11:36<sney>go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
11:36<e8734t2ygh5>no matter
11:36<e8734t2ygh5>I'm asking for DD
11:36<e8734t2ygh5>can I use dd, to copy (n)MB to the file? That's all what I want
11:37<sney>yes
11:37<sney>man dd
11:37<e8734t2ygh5>I knew u say this
11:37<sney>then why u ask
11:37<locklace>!u
11:37<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
11:37<samtry>atfer I installed debain daily and tried to resize the partions using gparted and it would not let me. here are the orders of partitions. sda1 ext3, sda2 extended, sda5 linux-swap. can you please help me sney? thanks
11:38<sney>I've never used gparted, sorry. always had enough extra hard drives.
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11:38<samtry>ok
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11:39<samtry>ok i think that i might have to reinstall debain and not choose use the entire disk.
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11:39<edhunter>samtry: you really dont give much info. which partition did you try to re-size and in which order. are those mounted? generally its safer and faster to recreate everything that to re-size
11:40<e8734t2ygh5>well
11:40<e8734t2ygh5>where are encrypted devices in /dev?
11:41<sney>!ubuntu
11:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
11:41<edhunter>e8734t2ygh5: well if you encrypted sda2 then /dev/sda2
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11:41<e8734t2ygh5>fdisk says /dev/sda1 and /dev/sda2 are empty :]
11:41<e8734t2ygh5>what ever I'll ask on Ubu
11:43<samtry>oh sorry i thought i did. here it is again. (1) sda1 ext3 146.15gb, (2) sda2 extended 2.90gb, (3) sda5 linux-swap 2.90gb. I want to resize sda1 into 3 paritions.
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11:46<edhunter>samtry: should work. first shrink and then add 2 partitions.. (of course partition cant be mounted)
11:47<e8734t2ygh5>i did it :]
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11:47<samtry>edhunter - how do i go about shrinking it?
11:48<edhunter>samtry: resize/move and select a new size
11:49<samtry>i tried and it would not let me do that. I did that before maybe a year ago or so
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11:50<samtry>the resize/move option not available.
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11:52<edhunter>samtry: it is here.. assuming that the partition is not mounted of course
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11:53<samtry>it is mounted and i don't know how it get mounted. must be automatically. so how do i unmount it?
11:53<meglaw>samtry: u got a 90gig swap partition?
11:54<samtry>no
11:54<edhunter>samtry: gparted gives u the option to unmount
11:54<samtry>it is 2.90gb
11:54<meglaw>ah ok
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11:54<samtry>it said that i have to unmount them manually
11:55<edhunter>samtry: are you booted up from that partition?
11:55<samtry>yes
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11:55<edhunter>well then how can you resize it and use it at the same time?
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11:56<samtry>i am not sure that is the problem
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11:57<samtry>what options do i have?
11:57<edhunter>samtry: boot up with a live cd and then resize
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11:59<samtry>ok did tried to boot it knoppix and resize but it doese not have gparted. But I did it on a desktop and it did work. any way i will give it a try with live cd. thanks
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12:02<edhunter>samtry: there are enough live cds out there with gparted
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12:02<sci>do the maintainers correct bugs in a package or do they only report bugs to the original developer of the program or library ?
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12:03<samtry>can you give me a link to it?
12:03<samtry>i know i can search too
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12:04<edhunter>samtry: sidux has gprated. ubuntu must have it. i guess the debian live cds also have it. and there is a gparted live cd. just google one of those :)
12:05<samtry>ok that is what i am doing right now
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12:05<edhunter>sci: from what i know they do correct bugs and also send the patches upstream
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12:06<sci>edhunter: thank you, how do you know that ? from where ?
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12:08<edhunter>sci: bug reports have patches and change logs have entries saying this upload closes this bug report.
12:09<sci>edhunter:ok, thanks again
12:09<edhunter>also the package versions in debian are X.X.X-X the -X is for this reason. its the debian revision which is incremented when bugs get closed.
12:09<edhunter>of course you may want to ask someone who is a maintainer to give you more info
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12:12<sci>the debian-site is full of info about that, sorry for my dumb question
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12:13<edhunter>sci: no worries. sites can be a bit too complicated to navigate some times..
12:14<sci>you're d... right
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12:16<kaziem>gsimmons: i fixed it
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12:16<kaziem>i had to add "proto=WPA RSN" and "pairwise=CCMP TKIP" and "group=CCMP TKIP"
12:16<kaziem>and in /etc/network/interfaces I had to replace allow-hotplug with auto
12:17<kaziem>it's odd enough though, since I'm using the old setup with one laptop with no problems, but needed to modify it for the other computer for it to work
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12:18<sci>is it allowed to leave a short msg for an now not present friend or is that considered spam ? so he can do !seen sci
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12:20<edhunter>sci: dont know if !seen works here. you can try i guess. if i see him i can tell him
12:20<sci>edhunter: !seen works
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12:20<edhunter>ok then
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12:26<sci>hans : your mailbox is full, my address has changed : scimail@...
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12:26<giuseppe>ciao
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12:26<giuseppe> /msg [Jason]-DEVIL-29 XDCC SEND #4
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12:30<xfact>Hello
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12:49<samtry>ok i am back edhunter
12:50<edhunter>wb samtry
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12:50<stuckey>Why isn't handbrake in main?
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12:51<sney`>stuckey: probably dvd patent issues
12:51<sney`>same reason mencoder isn't either
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12:52<samtry>edhunter -i just downloaded gparted and extracted the iso file. then i burned to a cd. when i tried to open the cd, it gave me an error about unable to mount a location. what is up with that?
12:52<edhunter>well you should boot from the cd not mount it
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12:53<samtry>i try to boot from it but it kept booting up from the hard drive after it read the cd.
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12:54<samtry>i didn't chang the boot sequence in the bios so i assume it still boot from the cd first.
12:54<edhunter>samtry: then you either need to set the cd as first boot device in bios or you have a bad burn/bad cd-rom
12:54<Garp>Question (off-topic): Is there anything that would look like a flash USB stick but containing RAM instead of Flash (meaning it would lost data if unplugged)? Thanks. (where would that question be in topic?) Thanks.
12:55<samtry>i was able to boot from a knoppix cd.
12:55<samtry>really
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12:56<lord-carlos>Hi there
12:56<samtry>it is a brand new cd but i guess it can be bad. however, it said that burn successfully
12:56<lord-carlos>can someone explain me why the new amarok 2.2.2 is not yet in testing? http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=amarok
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12:57<edhunter>samtry: it saying that the burn is successful doesnt really say much in the end.. in any case i cant help much. im not familiar with that cd. try burning DAO and less than 8x
12:58<samtry>ok
12:58<BobHartge>checksum the file and turn verify written data in the burner program
12:58<BobHartge>turn on
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12:59<samtry>ok i will try to burn it on my windows system where i am more famailiar with
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13:02<jamuraa>I've had a lot of bad CDs in the recent times, a whole spindle that couldn't be burned :(
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13:09*meglaw is making ovenrosted beetroots and turnips and carrots and chantarells crepes, gonna serve it with a cold garlicy herb chreme freche mixed with soft cheese spread (philadelphia)mmmmmm
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13:12<meglaw>ohh i forgot i got 2 onions split into fours wrapped with a peice of butter and salt in some foil sitting in the oven. mmmm onions.
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13:13<xororand>Do i have to setup a chroot to build ia32 .deb packages on AMD64? Specifically I want an ia32 package for a library. I can manually compile it without a chroot
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13:30<rjent>Greetings, I want to setup Debian terminals to connect to SCO server, is there any special terminal emulation or terminal I should use?
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13:35<rking>I am trying to use a MIDI keyboard with jackd and timidity. When I use qjackctl's connection tool under the "ALSA" tab to connect my keyboard to "TiMidity", it works, but then I cannot figure out how to get timidity to pipe out to the sound card.
13:35<rking>timidity does work if I use it without jackd on a .mid file
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13:36<rking>Searching google for this comes up with very tiresome rabbit trails of non-answers for me. Is there a good place to ask questions about linux audio?
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13:36<Autoscum>!bluetooth
13:36<dpkg>i heard bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol: http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting. aptitude install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
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13:36<Autoscum>Thanks, dpkg.
13:36<mase>:D
13:36<cahoot>rking: I'd try #lad on freenode.net
13:36<rking>cahoot: Sweet. Thank you.
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13:37<cahoot>yw
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13:39<Autoscum>Okay, why won't Debian detect my bluetooth dongle? :(
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13:41<neo>hello
13:41<Autoscum>Hey, neo.
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13:41<Autoscum>!cyrillic
13:41<neo>hola como estan ablan español?
13:42<Autoscum>Come on, dpkg, don't let me down. :(
13:42<Autoscum>!locale
13:42<dpkg>from memory, locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info.
13:42<Autoscum>Yay.
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13:47<Autoscum>!xmms
13:47<dpkg>from memory, xmms is the old X MultiMedia System media player. Removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #461309. For alternatives, ask me about <amarok>, <audacious>, <exaile>, <qmmp>, <quod libet>, <rhythmbox>, <songbird>, <xmms2>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for xmms removal reasons.
13:47<Autoscum>!xmms2
13:47<dpkg>hmm... xmms2 is X(cross)-platform Music Multiplexing System 2, currently under development. http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Download_XMMS2#Linux #xmms2 on irc.freenode.net.
13:47<Autoscum>I love that bot ^_^
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13:50<samtry>ed-hunter - i just downloaded gparted live cd. it is called gparted-love-0.5.1-1 ISO file 111,616KB . Is it sounded like the right file? How do i make so that it will be bootable on the cd?
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13:50<noflash>Autoscum, please /msg the bot
13:50<Autoscum>noflash, okay.
13:50<noflash>thanks
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13:51<Autoscum>Well I have another question...
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13:51<noflash>!ask
13:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:51<Autoscum>I installed the package xmms2 but it doesn't have a menu trigger.
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13:51<Autoscum>I tried running xmms2 from Alt+F2 with no result.
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13:52<Autoscum>I really have to stop pressing enter after each sentence. :(
13:52<samtry> noflash - i just downloaded gparted live cd. it is called gparted-love-0.5.1-1 ISO file 111,616KB . Is it sounded like the right file? How do i make so that it will be bootable on the cd?
13:52<Autoscum>samtry, use Unetbootin.
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13:52<Autoscum>samtry, you can also burn it to a CD.
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13:53<samtry>i have it but i allready installed debain daily and need to resize partitions
13:53<samtry>before i burn to cd what do i need to do with this iso file? extract it first?
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13:54<dudko>Hi. I'd like to ask you if it's possible to run terminal via apache. I tried this php script http://sourceforge.net/projects/shcmd/ but I can't run as root. I get this sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified
13:54<samtry>I did it before burned to cd and try to reboot it could not boot.
13:54<stack_underflow>is rcconf the only way to remove items from startup?
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13:55<Autoscum>samtry, no just burn the ISO file "as" an ISO file. The program will ask if you want to burn it as a CD image or as a file, tell it to burn as CD image.
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13:55<samtry>oh ok i will try that. thanks
13:56<Autoscum>dudko, the problem is specified within the error. No askpass program is specified. That may mean that no program is specified to ask for your root password.
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13:57<Autoscum>dudko, I'm sorry, I'm not really an expert, but I try to help. :)
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13:58<samtry>Autoscum- i just plug my usb flash that had the gparted file on it into my laptop and i got and error messages saying Unable to mount GPartedCD. should i be concern about this before I burn to cd?
13:58<Autoscum>samtry, yes you should.
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13:59<Autoscum>samtry, use a program called "Unetbootin", you may Google that. It's really good with putting ISO files on flash drives. :)
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14:00<samtry>I got this message even try to open it from the hard drive
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14:00<Autoscum>samtry, you cannot open an ISO file. Just get Unetbootin, select the ISO file and the flash drive and let it do all the work. :)
14:01<dudko><Autoscum>I'd like to run terminal via http server, so I ask if it's possible.
14:01<samtry>ok
14:01<dudko>with this script http://sourceforge.net/projects/shcmd/ it's not.
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14:02<dudko>are there any other solutions? /* not SSH */
14:02<Autoscum>dudko, what would that terminal *do*?
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14:03<dudko>Everything, I need to be superuser.
14:03<Autoscum>dudko, how are you going to see the terminal and run it through an http server?
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14:03<dudko>via web browser.
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14:05<themill>,info ajaxterm
14:05<judd>ajaxterm (web): is optional; Version: 0.10-2; Size: 39.4k; Installed: 248k -- Web based terminal written in Python
14:05<dudko>and on server apache and php/ajax or I dunno which scripts
14:05<themill>Personally, I wouldn't run that on any box, but it's there.
14:05<Autoscum>dudko, I can't really see how that is possble. :/
14:06<dudko>I thought it
14:06<themill>dudko: ^^ look at judd's last line/
14:07<Autoscum>dudko, but then again, my imagination isn't very big. :P
14:07<dudko>I thought it's not possible too, but when I found this http://sourceforge.net/projects/shcmd/ it opened my eyes
14:08<Autoscum>dudko, what's the problem with SSH?
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14:09<dudko>I have any problem with it, I was just wondering.
14:09<Autoscum>dudko, well you said no SSH so I thought there was something that bothered you about it.
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14:10<Autoscum>Still, that's the safest way for remote operation in my opinion. :)
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14:11<dudko>yes, it is. ok. I am going to search.
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14:12<themill>tap tap... is this thing on?
14:12<dudko>bye.
14:12<dudko>and thank's
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14:13<themill>I wonder how long it will take him to find ajaxterm....
14:14<Autoscum>themill, I've no idea. :)
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14:15<Autoscum>So, does anyone have any idea why xmms2 doesn't have a menu trigger?
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14:15<Autoscum>I can't even run it as a command :(
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14:18<samtry>Autoscum- I tried to do what you said and i kept getting message saying that you must first mount the usb drive? what is it mean?
14:18<xover>what does the 'mr proper' target mean when using the gnu 'make' application?
14:18<Autoscum>samtry, you shouldn't mount the USB drive.
14:18<Autoscum>samtry, did Unetbootin tell you to do that?
14:18<Nemoder>Autoscum: xmms2 is a client/server app you have to install a client to connect to it (though personally I recommend audacious over xmms2)
14:18<Autoscum>Nemoder, I will check it out, thanks! :)
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14:19<samtry>it gave me 2 options 1- to select distribution and select version. or manually specify files to load below. i choose 2 options
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14:20<Autoscum>samtry, did you select your ISO image?
14:21<Autoscum>Nemoder, thanks! That's a great player. :)
14:21<samtry>i opened it from the usb drive and it asked those options
14:21<Autoscum>Nemoder, oh, it doesn't display Cyrillic properly. :(
14:21<Autoscum>Nemoder, never mind, the tracks' encoding is bad. :)
14:22<Nemoder>Autoscum: there's lots of other good players too, ausacious is a fork of xmms1
14:22<Nemoder>er audacious*
14:22<Nemoder>rhythmbox is a pretty fancy one
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14:23<xover>what does the 'mr proper' target mean when using the gnu 'make' application?
14:23<Autoscum>Nemoder, yeah. Thanks again. :)
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14:24<stuckey>sney`: handbrake is gpl licensed
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14:24*Autoscum is listening to properly listed Russian music. Yay for system locales.
14:25<Nemoder>xover: I believe that is only a flag for the linux kernel to ignore any custom config
14:26<Nemoder>but if you are building a kernel it's better to use make-kpkg
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14:28<samtry>Autoscum - i am really confuse now of what to do. I downloaded the Unetbootin and put it on the usb flash drive. then put it in my laptop. opened the usb drive and double click on the file unetbootin-linux-377 it then gave me a dialog box to filled in.
14:29<Autoscum>samtry, you USE Unetbootin to PUT the ISO file on the USB drive and put it on the laptop.
14:29<Autoscum>Unetbootin is a utility to put ISO files on Flash drives.
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14:29<samtry>I have to options 1 - select a distribution and verions to download from the list above, or manually specify files to load below 2 select an installation type, and press ok to begin installing.
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14:30<samtry>ok i not sure i understand you but i try
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14:34<samtry>Autoscum - i have both the unetbootin-linux - 377 and gparted-livecd-0.3.3-11.iso file on the my desktop. I want to do what you are telling me. How do i do that?
14:34<Autoscum>Okay, here's a step by step guide.
14:35<Autoscum>1. Click the second radio button that denotes the manual file selection.
14:35<Autoscum>2. Browse to your desktop and select the appropriate file.
14:35<Autoscum>3. Select your flash drive from the menu below (it should be already selected).
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14:35<Autoscum>4. Wait.
14:35<Autoscum>Sorry for the spam, I had to do it. ^_^
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14:36<lord>доброго времени суток, есть рускоязычные пользователи?
14:36<Nemoder>!ru
14:36<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
14:37<Autoscum>Nemoder, do you know Russian? :)
14:37<Nemoder>no.
14:38<samtry>i don't have the radio buttons. ok, do you know if there is a way that i can send you the sreenshot?
14:38<Autoscum>Then how did you know he speaks Russian? There are 10ish other languages that use Cyrillic.
14:38<Autoscum>samtry, radio buttons are little dots. It's not possible "not to have" them.
14:39<Autoscum>samtry, yes there is. http://www.imageshack.us/ go to this site, upload your screenshot and give me a link. :)
14:39<samtry>it just telling me what i can do. 1 and 2
14:40<samtry>i know what a radio button is
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14:40<lord>Autoscum, this is Russian language))
14:40<Autoscum>samtry, yes. Select your ISO file without selecting a distribution and version. Have the radio button to the left of ISO File selected.
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14:40<Autoscum>lord, I know. :) I'm just rattling his cage.
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14:40<samtry>ok
14:41<Autoscum>lord, I'm from Bulgaria and I can recognize Cyrillic languages, haha. :)
14:42<Nemoder>I only guessed heh
14:42<Autoscum>Nemoder, yeah. ;)
14:43<Autoscum>Also, I'd like to know why the channel topic in #debian-russian is telling me to "get the f*ck out" lol
14:43<Nemoder>so that you know it really is a russian channel! ;)
14:44<Autoscum>Hahaha.
14:44<Autoscum>I guess :P
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14:45<samtry>Autoscum - ok i just uploaded it.
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14:45<Autoscum>samtry, alright. Standing by for link.
14:45<samtry>ok
14:46<stuckey>Is anyone here familiar with handbrake?
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14:46<Autoscum>!handbrake
14:46<dpkg>HandBrake is a tool for ripping DVDs and transcoding video into other formats (H.264, XViD, OGG). Packaged for lenny at <debian-multimedia>. http://handbrake.fr/ See also <dvd::rip>, <ogmrip>.
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14:46<Autoscum>dpkg seems to be familiar with it, stuckey. :)
14:46<dpkg>i don't know, Autoscum
14:46<Autoscum>He's just being modest. ;)
14:46<stuckey>Autoscum: I'm trying to figure out why it isn't in main
14:47<stuckey>Maybe I could do one of those request for package things
14:47<stuckey>Where do you send those?
14:47<Autoscum>No idea. :)
14:47<Autoscum>!request
14:47<Autoscum>dpkg doesn't know either. :(
14:47<dpkg>no idea, Autoscum
14:47<Autoscum>Indeed.
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14:51<samtry>Autoscum - do you see it or are you with bussy right now?
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14:54<shadorinn>just a quick question, which I know isn't really related to anything here.. I just upgraded from Windows to Linux (Using backtrack 4 atm) and having one hell of a time trying to figure everything out.. as much help as google has been, I've decided to try and utilize xchat to get some help on learning everything I might need to know as well as google. So, my question would be, is there a channel on here that would be best suited
14:54<shadorinn> to an absolute beginner?
14:54<Autoscum>samtry, I can't see the link, sorry. :/
14:54<samtry>what?
14:55<Autoscum>shadorinn, #backtrack ? :)
14:55<Autoscum>Oh.
14:55<Autoscum>There isn't one.
14:55<petemc>#remote-exploit on freenode
14:55<shadorinn>lol, yea, I tried searching BT in the searches
14:55<petemc>is the backtrack channel, araicr
14:55<samtry>i just click on the link you type and uploaded it.
14:55<shadorinn>awesome
14:55<shadorinn>tyvm :D
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14:55<Autoscum>samtry, you have to give me a link to your uploaded picture.
14:56<petemc>shadorinn: actually, seems its #backtrack-linux
14:56<petemc>on freenode
14:56<shadorinn>freenode is the server?
14:56<samtry>ok wait
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14:56<petemc>the irc networ, irc.freenode.net
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14:57<shadorinn>ahh ok.. yea sorry, total beginner :)
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14:58<shadorinn>thx again guys
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14:58<budo>the multi-viewer evince does not copy text correctly. it will copy both sides of a divided page. how do i go about correcting this issue?
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15:01<samtry>Autoscum - here it is http://img34.imageshack.us/content_round.php?page=done&l=img34/7826/unetbootin.png. sorry about that.
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15:06<mac>plop
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15:07<acu>I am trying to back up a system to another hard disk - I want to completely mirror it - I have a lenny AMD64 can anyone tell me howto do it - except Mondo -
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15:08<budo>is there a pdf viewer directly from adobe for debian
15:08<Nemoder>acu: I use rsnapshot to do that
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15:09<Nemoder>budo: acroread package from debian-multimedia
15:09<budo>thank you
15:10<imganquan>budo: you can download Adobe Reader which packed in deb format from Adobe's website
15:10<imganquan>budo: why not evince?
15:11<samtry>Autoscum - did you see it?
15:11<budo>it copies the text ignoring the divided line between the left side and right side
15:11<budo>is there a way to correct this
15:13<acu>Nemoder: rsnapshot seems good - I wonder if I want the system to be restored from barebone what do I need ?
15:13<imganquan>budo: oh..it happened sometimes too when I use evince to open some wierd pdf file. but Adobe Reader display this file correctly.
15:14<Nemoder>acu: you should be able to just copy most of it over, though you'ld need to fix grub etc
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15:16<budo>okay thank you
15:16<imganquan>budo: you are welcome
15:16<acu>so I rsnapshot everything then on the new hardisk install the base and restore ?
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15:16<martin>hey guys , does anyone know if there is a rapidshare download with a gui that works on debian?
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15:18<Nemoder>acu: that would probably work too
15:18<Nemoder>acu: though it may be faster to use a livecd to copy everything
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15:20<Diareal>It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place! No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right. They never will! The same goes for New Orleans! Cancun in Mexico suffered few fatalities after their major hurricane, and the rebuilding is already completed. What have t
15:20<Diareal>he niggers in New Orleans done? If you a
15:20<Nemoder>acu: just make sure to carefully review your rsnapshot.conf, there's stuff you wont want to try and copy like /proc and /dev if you use udev
15:20<Diareal> re sick of this, join Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum
15:20<OdyX>!spam Diareal
15:20<Diareal>It is time to put those Haitian jigaboos in their place! No matter how many times the civilized world donates money, opens schools, rebuilds their nation, and holds their little monkey paws, the damn niggers can never get it right. They never will! The same goes for New Orleans! Cancun in Mexico suffered few fatalities after their major hurricane, and the rebuilding is already completed. What have the niggers in New Orleans done? If y
15:20<Diareal>ou a
15:20<Diareal> re sick of this, join Chimpout Forum! http://www.chimpout.com/forum
15:20<OdyX>!ops Diareal is spamming…
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15:21<OdyX>hoa… That's a massive ping.
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15:52<acu>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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15:52<acu>and then you should add - main contrib non-free
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15:52<acu>then press CTRL +O and then enter
15:52<acu>to save the change
15:53<acu>and refresh the synaptic
15:53<acu>then you are ready
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15:54<stuckey>!rfp
15:54<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
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16:12<xover>what is the avantage of a ramdisk?
16:12<avu>it's fast.
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16:12<vulc4n>very fast
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16:13<xover>sorry let me rephrase, what is the advantage of using initrd?
16:14<locklace>haven't we been through this
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16:15<locklace>initrds suck. you only need them if you want to run a generic distro kernel or you're doing some dumb thing like putting the root fs on lvmcryptoraid
16:15<xover>If the iitrd load modules into the ramdisk and then mounts the root filesystem from the initrd, why not just load them direct into the root filesystem?
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16:15<stuckey>ram disk
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16:15<abrotman>xover: it allows for a more modular kernel
16:15<stuckey>If I use gnome, and watch movies on my machine sometimes, would 4gb be enough to use ramdisk?
16:16<abrotman>try it and see
16:16<avu>stuckey, for what?
16:16<stuckey>avu: for the system
16:16<stuckey>avu: to run
16:16<avu>why would you want your root fs on a ramdisk?
16:16<stuckey>avu: speed
16:17<abrotman>try it and see
16:17<locklace>stuckey: ramdisks almost always suck compared to the caching the kernel already does
16:17<avu>stuckey, you would have to read it from disk to ram on every boot
16:17<avu>and lose every modification you do
16:17<stuckey>I didn't know
16:17<stuckey>I bought an SSD - maybe that will satisfy my lust for speed when I install it.
16:19<xover>stuckey: which one did you buy?
16:19<stuckey>xover: ocz 30gb
16:19<xover>which model?
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16:19<stuckey>Moment I'll have to check
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16:20<stuckey>xover: OCZ Vertex Series OCZSSD2-1VTX30GXXX 2.5" 30GB SATA II MLC
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16:25<JackFriday>My vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 kernel has a "0" file size and will not boot - how do I replace it without reinstalling the entire distribution?
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16:25<JackFriday>I can access the partition (using another linux distribution on same system) and the rest of the files look fine, the image file was also zero but there was a backup.
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16:26<xover>stuckey: youve got a good one there, must have cost a bomb, its better than a X25m
16:26<xover>i have an OCZ, its rubbish
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16:27<xover>as long as i dont write to the disk im ok, LOL xy infinity
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16:36<stuckey>xororand: it was 100$
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16:37<xororand>stuckey: what was 100$?
16:37<xororand>ah, tab fail :P
16:37<stuckey>tab fail
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16:44<Dimon>#LinuxHelp
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16:47<Dimon>есть кто русский?
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16:49<Dimon>есть кто русский?
16:49<josuay>nichivoa nizhnayu
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16:49<@Ganneff>!ru
16:49<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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16:59<Dimon>народ киньте мне ссылочку на ru
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17:00<jez9999>Hi. I just installed Debian using a USB drive over the internet, but when the system boots now, it just locks up. i guess i'm meant to see a grub screen. when i boot into my other linux install it seems to have created all the debian file system stuff ok, so the bootloader is broken or something. is there a way i can check why it's locking up?
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17:01<Dimon>плиз киньте ссылочку на русский канал
17:01<locklace>jez9999: check your bios settings, reinstall grub, and be extremely specific about the behaviour you witness from the moment of power-on
17:01<locklace>!tell Dimon about ru
17:01-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Dimon@78.36.107.*] by Ganneff
17:01<jez9999>locklace: i dont get why it would need reinstallation
17:02<jez9999>the debian installer would've screwed up the installation somehow?
17:02<jez9999>it's a pretty simple install, just one drive in the machine.
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17:02<locklace>yes, it happens. who knows? it's a good step to take
17:02<locklace>!reinstall grub
17:02<dpkg>See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html. Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>
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17:03<niclas_>how do i get to german irc debian chanenl?
17:03<locklace>!de
17:03<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
17:04<niclas_>thx
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17:11<jez9999>if my reinstallation of grub is successful, even if debian fails to boot, should i at least see a grub boot screen rather than the system locking up immediately after the bios screen?
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17:13<locklace>jez9999: yes, obviously
17:13<Name1ess>if my system was locking up before a bootloader showed a screen, I would take the computer apart, blow all dust off, make sure all contacts points were clean (Q-tip and rubbing alcohol) and re-assemble everything. If it still locked up, ...\
17:13<Name1ess>I would remove all cards except the display adapter, and see if it could boot that way
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17:14<Name1ess>tl;dr - sounds like you have a bad connection / hardware issue
17:14<jez9999>ughhhh
17:14<jez9999>it can't setup grub
17:14<jez9999>root (hd0,1)
17:14<jez9999>setup (hd0)
17:14<jez9999>cannot mount selected partition
17:14<jez9999>...
17:14<Name1ess>Jez: the first partition on the first drive is (hd0,0)
17:15<Name1ess>second partition on second drive is (hd1,1)
17:15<jez9999>ok that seemed to work
17:15<jez9999>btw, ubuntu boots find on this machine, on another disk
17:15<jez9999>so i doubt it's a hw issue
17:15<jez9999>it's a debian installed shitty issue or soemthing
17:15<Name1ess>agreed
17:16<Name1ess>it sounded like system lockup though
17:16<jez9999>i'll try booting again i guess
17:16<jez9999>but that root (hd0,0)
17:16<jez9999>should've reinstalled grub on /sev/sda1 right?
17:16<smvrglc>jez9999, are you using sid?
17:16<jez9999>*dev
17:16<Name1ess>aw, nuts -- good luck - I gotta go .. be back soon ...
17:16<jez9999>smvrglc: no. stable. :-\
17:18<jez9999>but even if it were a stability issue with debian, no matter what, i should at least see the grub screen, right?
17:18<smvrglc>unless MBR is broken
17:18<jez9999>i just reinstalled grub
17:18<jez9999>using 'grub'
17:19<jez9999>on /dev/sda1
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17:19<jez9999>which is the other drive, the one im going to be booting from
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17:22<smvrglc>altough dpkg says sid is not supported in here, is any of you running sid?
17:22<locklace>!polls
17:22<dpkg>"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
17:23<smvrglc>well, i'm not actually doing a poll. lol
17:24<sney`>you're probably looking for someone to help you dig yourself out of a hole that you dug by using sid and ignoring the warnings?
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17:26<craigevil>smvrglc: lots of ppl run sid, easy enough to get help at forums.debian.net
17:26<smvrglc>sney, not at all. lol
17:26<sney`>I have a testing-unstable mix on one of my computers, but I rely on my connectivity a little too much to actually *run* sid.
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17:38<loli>is ubuntu basically debian?
17:38<locklace>no, it's merely based on debian
17:38<locklace>!tell loli about bod
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17:38<jez9999>ok, slight progress
17:39<jez9999>having reinstalled grub, the machine is starting to boot debian
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17:40<jez9999>but it now locks up during the boot process, just after displaying 'usbhid v2.6: USB HID core driver'
17:40<jez9999>just locks up dead.
17:40<jez9999>any ideas?
17:42<locklace>can you disconnect your usb stuff and try again
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17:43<jez9999>ok... i have a usb hub connected. does this mean i wont be able to use the hub?
17:43<mizanur>do you guys know of other linux channels to chat to?
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17:44<mizanur>elloo
17:45<mizanur>my chat service does not work
17:46<sney`>mizanur: there are a lot of channels both here and on irc.freenode.net
17:47<mizanur>@sney thanks for that, i'll have look at it now.
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17:49<peej>I have a root certificate in lenny, /usr/share/ca-certificates/cacert.org/root.crt - did that get generated when I installed lenny? So that it is unique for each lenny installation?
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17:55<gdb>peej: It is not unique per installation, it's part of the ca-certificates package.
17:55<peej>oh. That's cacert's public key.
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18:21<jez9999>ok... debian is now unable to start x server :-)
18:21<jez9999>i have to full xorg logfile
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18:22<jez9999>http://pastebin.com/m3509bd28
18:23<jez9999>now, it is saying "Output VGA disconnected" which is correct; my onboard itnel graphics has a vga output and a DVI output, the latter of which is connected and what i want to use
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18:23<jez9999>how can i fix this?
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18:25<themill>dpkg: tell jez9999 about multiple ask
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18:27<Taek>Hi folks, i'm having a problem compiling eggdrop on debian lenny, it keeps telling me i am missing " vprintf/vsprintf/sprintf libraries."
18:28<Taek>anything i can do ti fix this issue?.
18:28<themill>,versions eggdrop
18:28<judd>eggdrop -- etch: 1.6.18-1etch1 etch-security: 1.6.18-1etch2 lenny: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1 lenny-security: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1 sid: 1.6.19-1.2 squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2
18:28<themill>Taek: any reason you're trying to compile it?
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18:29<Taek>Well i have a compiled version from an ubuntu install, and it's working fine, but i want to recompile it to enable tcl threads
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18:29<Taek>But everytime i attempt at the ./configure it spits out this error
18:29<Taek>Your system does not have the vprintf/vsprintf/sprintf libraries.
18:29<Taek> These are required to compile almost anything. Sorry.
18:29<stuckey>Anyone know of a wave editor in the repos?
18:29<themill>Taek: you might like to adapt the debian packaging to do that for you, that way you get the benefit of having a .deb at the end. /msg dpkg package recompile
18:31<mike-burns>stuckey: audacity
18:33<Taek>themill, THanks that little bit helped :)
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20:17<Yionel_>Hi everybody !
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20:57<seba>Hi, I am searching for some assistance. I am running maradns on a small openwrt router. but my debian client is not resolving requests :(
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21:46<cesurasean>how do i check to make sure im in fact running the dependency based boot system?
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21:47<cesurasean>on squeeze?
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21:54<gsimmons>cesurasean: Is /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering present?
21:54<cesurasean>gsimmons, thx.
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21:57<sparr_>After upgrading some packages and later rebooting, I cannot start X because the nvidia kernel module won't load. I am running kernel 2.6.32-trunk-686 and have the appropriate nvidia-kernel package installed. Attempting to modprobe the module results in dozen of "Unknown symbol ..." and "disagrees about version of symbol ..." in dmesg. Help?
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22:03<chealer>sparr_: which version of your nvidia LKM package do you have?
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22:08<abrotman>sparr_: please don't ask on boht networks
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22:13<amol1>hi to all,i have debian linux ,how to get which are those network ethernet,wifi ,scanner supported by my system
22:14<amol1>i am creating document which tell which different harwadre supports by debian each version
22:16<sparr_>chealer: LKM?
22:16<sparr_>abrotman: when did irc.debian.org move to oftc? i just noticed that
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22:17<chealer>!tell sparr_ about lkm
22:17*sparr_ tries to find that msg window in irssi
22:17<abrotman>sparr_: uhm .. like .. three years ago ?
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22:18<abrotman>3.5 apparently
22:18<sparr_>ok, thats somewhere around when i moved from debian to ubuntu. just recently moved back, so i missed that.
22:18<sparr_>only noticed the difference when #nvidia was unpopulated
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22:19<sparr_>anyway, might have working modules again, reboot time
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22:28<amol1>abrotman, can you tell me how to get all info about supported hardware
22:29<amol1>like scanner printer network card by particular debian version'
22:29<abrotman>amol1: all the hardware supported by your kernel ?
22:29<abrotman>oh .. uhm .. not sure about USB ..
22:29<abrotman>and i don't own a home printer like that and our printers at work are networked (not scanners either)
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22:30<amol1>abrotman, like something gets supported some are not which may support in next released kernel sane hplip etc.
22:30<abrotman>i'd imagine the websites for those programs would be better ...
22:30<abrotman>!hcl
22:30<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>.
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22:38<kop>amol1: I like linuxprinting.org (which now redirects somewhere, I forget.)
22:39<amol1>kop,but if i am using lenny and info on linuxperinting.org is difeerent because of version difference
22:40<amol1>linuxprinting.org has latest hardware support info
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22:43<kop>amol1: True. If you don't want to take a chance on having to return something you either need to figure out when the product was first sold and compare that to the software release date or look back through the software changelogs to see when support was introduced.
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22:44<kop>amol1: Generally I'm willing to build my own version of the latest kernel if I know that I'll eventually get support in a stock debian kernel. Printers and such are a bit trickier.
22:45<kop>amol1: Frankly it's eaiest to buy something old that you know works.
22:46<amol1>kop,always all buys latest hardware.printer some how i can check from /usr/share/ppd
22:46<amol1>can you please tell me similar way of scanner i.e sane support
22:49<kop>amol1: /usr/share/doc/libsane/ is supposed to have a file listing supported devices.
22:49<kop>amol1: It might be in the sane-backends package.
22:50<kop>amol1: Yeah. /usr/share/doc/libsane/supported.html
22:50<amol1>kop,thanks
22:51<kop>amol1: In the libsane package it seems. (*duh*)
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23:18<d3co>!hi
23:18<dpkg>hello, d3co
23:18<d3co>C++ compiler?
23:19<kmap>d3co: g++?
23:19<d3co>equals to gcc =)
23:19<d3co>?
23:19<kmap>No, it doesn't. Please read the manual, or search online for detaisl
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23:21<d3co>what about build-essential??
23:21<adb>!b-e
23:21<dpkg>i heard build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.
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23:31<blockowitsch>hello. does anyone know which tool/daemon is responsible for fan control?
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23:38<jmarsden>blockowitsch: acpid and acpi-support, I think.
23:41<blockowitsch>thanks, i'll check that
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