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00:05<twb>Is there a debtag that distinguishes between stdio programs (like netcat) and tty GUIs (like vi)?
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00:11<Clyde>hot diggity dog it works :D
00:11<twb>Actually, my real question is: how do I find the list of programs on my system that would benefit from being wrapped in rlfe?
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00:14<sukmakelana>i'm a newbie, so, don't laught at me if my question seems stupid. what ls syntax for 'dir /p' in windows? i've read some part of manual and surf google but i haven't found it so far
00:15<twb>sukmakelana: what does /p do on windows?
00:15<vulc4n>The dir command allows you to see the available files in the current and/or parent directories.
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00:16<vulc4n>... /P Pauses after each screenful of information.
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00:16<vulc4n>not sure how to do that
00:16<twb>sukmakelana: try "dir | more", or better "dir | pager"
00:16<sukmakelana>show the directory per page, i need it when the directory list are so long
00:17<twb>In Unix pagination is performed by a separate program, called the pager.
00:17<sukmakelana>vulc4n, yes something like that
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00:23<jmarsden>twb: re your rlfe question: could you ldd each binary and if it links to ncurses, it's a "tty GUI" program?
00:24<twb>jmarsden: ed is a false negative under that test
00:24<twb>That was actually my first approach.
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00:24<jmarsden>twb: OK. I realize it's probably imperfect, but it should get fairly close. If you need perfection... I'm not much use to you :)
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00:26<twb>Here's the list I built by hand so far: nc ed ghci scsh scheme48 cat al dc dash sh openssl reportbug
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00:27<twb>I asked aptitude to list ~G::commandline !~Ddepends:~nlibreadline[56], which has a lot of false positives
00:27<twb>See, true line-based UIs don't need to use curses at all, because they never clear or cup (or setaf or anything else).
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00:41<dima>кто русский?
00:42<dima>народ где irc rus?
00:43<twb>!tell dima -about ru
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02:15<NoReflex>hey guys! do you know how I could "suspend" a task that was issues through ssh? I have a db import script that has been running for about 30 hours now. I started that script from my notebook through ssh. The thing is now I must stop my notebook (gtg to work). Would hibernating the desktop machine work?
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02:18<jmarsden>NoReflex: No. The right way to do this would have been to use screen on the remote machine and then detach from the screen session... not sure what you can do in a "normal" ssh session to avoid killing it when your client machine goes away... or to have run the db import script using nohup... not sure what you can do since you didn't do either of those things earlier...
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02:20<jmarsden>NoReflex: Maybe you can go to work leaving your notebook where it is now ? :)
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02:21<twb>This is why you should always run screen when you log into the server
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02:22<franki^>Everyone should just always run screen. :)
02:23<ml|>yep :)
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02:30<dpkg>In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.
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03:11<frodob>hi jmm
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03:18<cesurasean>yuck. i have a stuck installation for dep based boot. ive tried to install the mysql-server5.0 package from the lenny branch, with no success. it fails, for some reason trying to downgrade mysql's. is there any way to clear out what apt-get is doing?
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03:19<cesurasean>says "Aborting downgrade from (at least) 5.1 to 5.0."
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03:20<twb>cesurasean: downgrading isn't supported
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03:22<cesurasean>twb, i don't have mysql-server, or mysql-client installed. :(
03:23<twb>You probably have them configured, but not installed.
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03:24<cesurasean>udev wont install either. ive tried reboot.
03:24<cesurasean>twb, what do you mean by that?
03:25<cesurasean>config files are left over?
03:25<twb>"remove" will leave config files in place.
03:25<twb>"purge" will not.
03:25<cesurasean>twb, im aware of this.
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03:26<cesurasean>i am going to try and purge the mysql5.1
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03:27<twb>"try to"
03:27<cesurasean>same problem, still
03:27<cesurasean>i do see left over files though when running find command
03:27<cesurasean>do i just remove all of the stuff by hand then?
03:28<twb>When purging, I expect it will ask "delete databases, too?" and you said "nuh-uh!"
03:28<cesurasean>twb, i never got any such question asked.
03:28<twb>I don't use mysql myself, because every DBA I know says that it's laughably stinky compared to postgres
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03:29<cesurasean>well, i know this is possible, just not on this machine
03:29<cesurasean>lenny>squeeze is not fun
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03:31<twb>Since Squeeze hasn't been released yet, that wouldn't surprise me.
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03:32<cesurasean>i can't install udev due to unsupported k7 motherboard. :(
03:33<cesurasean>i keep getting busybox
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03:33<twb>I don't think it's possible to have a working lenny OR squeeze system without udev.
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03:40<cesurasean>how do you purge with dpkg?
03:40<@Ganneff>dpkg -P
03:40<dpkg>parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Ganneff
03:41<@Ganneff>man dpkg
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03:42<twb>No need to Bowdlerize, dpkg.
03:42<cesurasean>mysql-server-5.0 depends on mysql-client-5.0 (>= 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1); howev er:
03:42<cesurasean> Package mysql-client-5.0 is not configured yet.
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03:44<fossiiil>how do i run program and get it's pid?
03:44<yang_>ps -A | grep -i "program"
03:44<Torsten_W>pidof programm
03:45<fossiiil>this is not what i want
03:45<twb>ITYM pgrep
03:45<fossiiil>i want something like: PID=$(something program_name)
03:45<yang_>set pid ?
03:45<twb>fossiiil: it should be in /var/run/<daemon>.pid, if you are starting it correctly.
03:45<fossiiil>you suggest pidof program...but program can be already run several times
03:46<cesurasean>i cant seem to get dpkg to purge these files
03:46<fossiiil>twb: only if it supports this feature
03:46<twb>fossiiil: if it doesn't, fix it
03:47*fossiiil is downloading firefox sources
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03:48<twb>fossiiil: I can't stop you
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03:50<cesurasean>when i run apt-get remove --purge mysql-server*, i get this message "E: Couldn't find package mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1_i386.deb", when that file is in fact in that folder.
03:50<cesurasean>directory, sorry.
03:51<cesurasean>anyone know why it's not able to find the file?
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03:52<Nemoder>cesurasean: it wants the package name not the .deb filename
03:53<twb>This, kids, is why you learn to quote stuff in the shell
03:54<cesurasean>Nemoder, what do you mean? i would assume the package's name is mysql-server*
03:54<cesurasean>im not giving path to the deb
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03:54<Nemoder>afaik you can't use wildcards on package names
03:54<twb>cesurasean: * is not allowed in a package name
03:55<twb>cesurasean: but you aren't passing * to dpkg in any case.
03:55<cesurasean>what is the package name then?
03:55<Nemoder>apt-cache search mysql-server
03:55<Nemoder>that should list anything relavent
03:55<cesurasean>Nemoder, im trying to purge mysql5.0 which is not part of squeeze
03:55<cesurasean>i had to download the debs
03:55<cesurasean>for mysql-server, and mysql-client
03:55<cesurasean>they installed fine, it looks from dpkg
03:56<cesurasean>but i cant figure out how to purge with dpkg
03:56<cesurasean>i tried --purge, -P, everything
03:56<cesurasean>read the manual
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03:56<cesurasean>it keeps giving me a list of commands
03:56<adb>cesurasean, so time to reinstall debian ..
03:57<cesurasean>adb, no thx but it's looking that way.
03:57<twb>Yeah, I second adb's suggestion. You've run this box into the ground.
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03:57<Nemoder>if it's not in the cache you can try dpkg -S mysql
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03:58<cesurasean>twb, no. it seems squeeze isn't supporting legacy very well. it should purge on upgrade, in my professional opinion.
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03:58<cesurasean>mysql5.0 should have been purged when 5.1 was installed
03:58<twb>cesurasean: I'm not interested in your professional opinion.
03:58<twb>If you think the package is doing something wrong, file a bug against it.
03:58<cesurasean>i have already done this on one box, but this one doesnt seem to want to budge
03:58<cesurasean>can this be a result of the kernel?
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03:59<adb> professional ? heh ,who , you ?
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03:59<cesurasean>i think the older kernel is preventing a proper removal
03:59<cesurasean>adb, exactly.
04:00<Nemoder>time to find a new proffession :)
04:00<cesurasean>Nemoder, no doubt.
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04:01<cesurasean>E: Couldn't find package mysql-server5.0
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04:01<cesurasean>what is the proper page name in lenny?
04:01<adb>Feb 01 09:54<Nemoder> apt-cache search mysql-server
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04:06<Nemoder>or search
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04:09<cesurasean>i got it working now. heh
04:09<cesurasean>thx tho guys
04:09<cesurasean>i had to keep removing it, over and over again till it worked
04:09<cesurasean>for some reason apt thought it the newer version was installed, apparently.
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04:25<cesurasean>anyone have a clue how to get mysql installed? -
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04:29<cesurasean>now im stuck on "/etc/init.d/mysql: WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz ... (warning)." - anyone have a clue how to repair this problem?
04:29<mase_>well, whole configuration of mysql is missing. was the disk out of space?
04:29<themill>cesurasean: you need to reinstall the mysql-common package with "confmiss" to get it to recreate the config files. /msg dpkg confmiss.
04:30<cesurasean>mase_, no.
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04:30<themill>cesurasean: randomly deleting config files rarely does what you want it to do...
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04:31<cesurasean>i reinstall mysql-common, but still getting same error.
04:31<themill>cesurasean: «with "confmiss" to get it to recreate the config files. /msg dpkg confmiss.»
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04:32<jm_>leet quotation :)
04:32<jm_>maybe that'll help
04:32<themill>jm_: I'm not holding my breath....
04:33*themill notes that cesurasean still has not requested the confmiss factoid
04:33<themill>dpkg: tell cesurasean about confmiss
04:33<cesurasean>i got it.
04:34<cesurasean>finally after i had to put up the my.cnf file
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04:40<vortek>you know them sites that tell you how to install debian on laptops, is there one for dell xps?
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04:41<twb>Isn't it just or so?
04:42<gsimmons>dpkg: tell vortek -about laptop
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04:43<twb>Ah, .net
04:43<vortek>i figured thisw beast of a lappy need debian\
04:43<adb>dpkg: tell vortek -about dell
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04:45<vortek>now to find the make model
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04:46<vortek>dell xps 17inch but i must locate the tag
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04:47<twb>vortek: if you already have the hardware, don't bother looking it up. Just try a normal install, and see what happens.
04:47<twb> is most useful for avoiding hardware that won't work at all
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04:50<twb>Hopefully if it doesn't work, you can still take it back and get a refund
04:52<TCW>a live CD is the best linux test for all hardware
04:53<TCW>So I would just run a live CD (a recent one) and maybe ask google if others had trouble installing linux / debian on the same or similar hardware (in regards to lspci and not the model)
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05:15<cesurasean>I'm using dovecot, and im getting a cannot connect to server, nothing is in the logs. any ideas?
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05:15<tellurian>cesurasean: I assume you are getting that error from the client ?
05:16<jez9999>you guys forgot to tell me something about upgrading from lenny to squeeze
05:16<cesurasean>tellurian, yes.
05:16<jez9999>i need to upgrade my kernel. :-) there's some upgraded package that wont work with the current version of my kernel
05:16<cesurasean>jez9999, what's the problem?
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05:16<tellurian>cesurasean: and how are you connecting to the dovecot server ? Is there a firewall in the way ? have you been able to connect to the dovecot server before ?
05:17<cesurasean>no firewall in the way. it was working until i messed with some stuff.
05:17<twb>cesurasean: did you check your firewalls, route, etc?
05:17<cesurasean>i tried telnet 25, and no response.
05:17<tellurian>cesurasean: :-) what stuff did you happen to mess with ? and is it put back to the way it was before ?
05:17<twb>cesurasean: is dovecot binding to port 25?
05:18<tellurian>cesurasean: to add to what twb asked .. is dovecot in fact running ?
05:19<cesurasean>twb, how do i check if it's binded. i forget.
05:19<tellurian>cesurasean: netstat -tap on a debian machine should tell you if it's running and what port it's on
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05:20<jez9999>perhaps add to dpkg's lenny->squeeze article the kernel version you will need to upgrade to?
05:20<cesurasean>i dont see dovecot
05:21<cesurasean>ps aux shows 2 dovecots running
05:22<petemc>cesurasean: what stuff did you mess with?
05:22<themill>jez9999: "Important, see <squeeze udev>"?
05:22<tellurian>cesurasean: sorry, please try netstat -tap | grep :25
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05:22<cesurasean>no results when running netstat -tap | grep :25
05:22<petemc>dovecot wont be listening on port 25, its not a MTA
05:23<cesurasean>petemc, what port is it?
05:23<cesurasean>default for pop3?
05:23<petemc>egrep -i 'pop|imap' /etc/services
05:24<cesurasean>egrep -i 'pop|imap' /etc/services shows it is running.
05:24<petemc>no it doesnt6
05:24<petemc>it tells you the port numbers pop and imap use
05:24<cesurasean>can slotlimit effect connecting?
05:24<cesurasean>how do i disable slot limit?
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05:25<themill>cesurasean: please think your way through the commands you are running.
05:25<cesurasean>slot limit is just apache tho, i dont see why it would effect this
05:27<tellurian>cesurasean: Ok, let's back up a bit here. My understanding of the situation is that you are running dovecot as a service on one host, and a client ( not sure what ) on another host, and the client machine provides the error 'cannot connect' . Is this accurate ?
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05:28<cesurasean>Restarting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecotError: mail_executable: Can't use /usr/lib/dovecot/imap: No such file or directory
05:28<cesurasean>i get this error
05:28<cesurasean>i have purged, and reinstalled as well
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05:29<twb>21:23 <petemc> egrep -i 'pop|imap' /etc/services
05:29<twb>petemc: the GNU way would be "getent services pop"
05:29<petemc>thanks for the pointer..
05:29<twb>Since technically port assignments might live in LDAP or NIS
05:29<ansgar>twb: except when it is called pop3
05:29<themill>twb: or when it's called imap
05:30<vortek>anyone know that program that installs debian from inside of xp?
05:30<twb>Well, if you were guessing the name you could getent services | grep pop, but that's ugly
05:30<vortek>i think
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05:30<petemc>what i suggested worked, i see no need to correct ot
05:30<cesurasean>anyone on the error i gave?
05:30<cesurasean>Restarting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecotError: mail_executable: Can't use /usr/lib/dovecot/imap: No such file or directory
05:31<tellurian>cesurasean: busy googling it ... no idea atm :-(
05:31<twb>petemc: ah, you're from the New Jersey school
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05:31<petemc>cesurasean: do you have dovecot-imapd installed?
05:31<cesurasean>apt won't install all of the files
05:32<vortek>twb: will this allow me to keep xp partition or rezis it?
05:32<twb>vortek: NFI, I'm not licensed to run Windows.
05:32<petemc>cesurasean: you seem to have a lot of problems, its hard to know which one to offer help with
05:33<cesurasean>petemc, indeed. i think my system is almost dead.
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05:33<twb>Maybe it's best to just point cesurasean at his local LUG and get them to help /in situ/
05:34<vortek>any one else know
05:36<twb>!tell vortek -about TIAS
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05:39<cesurasean>am i supposed to have /usr/lib/dovecot/imap?
05:39<cesurasean>i don't see this file on any of my machines
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05:40<petemc>cesurasean: if you have dovecot-imapd installed
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05:40<cesurasean>ok, now im getting: Restarting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecotError: auth_executable: Can't use /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth: Permission denied
05:41<petemc>cesurasean: whatever messing around you've done seems to caused you some problems
05:42<cesurasean>yes, indeed.
05:42<cesurasean>how do i install this package? - Restarting IMAP/POP3 mail server: dovecotError: auth_executable: Can't use /usr/lib/dovecot/dovecot-auth: No such file or directory
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05:43<cesurasean>ive tried purging, no success.
05:43<petemc>what did you purge?
05:43<cesurasean>dovecot-pop3d, and dovecot-imapd
05:43<cesurasean>am i missing a package?
05:43<petemc>that file is in dovecot-common
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05:45<cesurasean>ok fixed
05:45<cesurasean>those problems at least. time to see if i can connect.
05:45<cesurasean>fixed now. :) thx guys
05:46<tellurian>nicely done petemc ;-)
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05:46<cesurasean>ok, now it's rejecting username and pass because of " tried to use disabled plaintext auth"
05:47<cesurasean>acording to syslog
05:47<petemc>cesurasean: take some time to read up on dovecot rather than just blurting your question out in here
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05:48<ambuli__>hi all, what does it mean in debian version 1.2.1+0m2
05:48<ambuli__>i dont understand +0m2 means ?
05:49<cesurasean>petemc, you have a clue why it's not connecting right now?
05:49<ambuli__>could someone guide me ?
05:49<fazer>Hi all. Not sure to understand if message "kernel: [drm:i915_gem_execbuffer] *ERROR* Execbuf while wedged" is due to kernel 2.6.32 or xserver-xorg-intel package. Any idea ?
05:49<cesurasean>i had this problem before, but forget how it was resolved. i checked dovecot.conf, and plantext auth is #'d out.
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05:49<tellurian>tellurian: yes, because it tried to use disabled plaintext auth
05:49<themill>ambuli__: look at the changelog -- what package is this?
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05:51<cesurasean>ok, problem fixed. thank you petemc!
05:51<cesurasean>i will read another time, as the problems arise. i don't have much time as you seem to have.
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05:52<ansgar>cesurasean: So you ask because you don't want to bother reading the documentation or paying somebody to read it for you?
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07:34<jmm>heh guys I made a custom debian install CD using preseed, at the end I added the note about installation works fine exept for one thing, the title of the 'installation complete' box is 'ssmtp setup'. does anyone got an idea about what's going on ?
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08:15<Zathras_>Hi. I am running Debian Lenny. I have 2 soundcards configured through ALSA. On boot only card0 is activated. When I issue a "alsa force-reload" both cards are running fine. What can be the cause of this? The cards are configured in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
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08:38<elgh>I'm back.
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08:38<themill>elgh: you wanted #ubuntu on, this #debian on
08:39<elgh>Oh, thanks a lot :)
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08:56<kaziem>what's the advantage of using exim + some MUA, instead of clients like evolution/claws-mail?
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08:59<petemc>kaziem: the advantage of exim is that it provides a sendmail interface for other things like cron to use
08:59<jm_>kaziem: that you can use MUA-s that can't send mail directly
08:59<petemc>that applies to any sendmail compatible mta
09:00<jm_>and other stuff using MTA provides
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09:00<kaziem>so if I'm not gonna do anything so complicated it's useless for me? .... or does it improve the speed somehow?
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09:16<guyver>anyone can help me wtih postfix
09:16<guyver>i need turn on smtp auth
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09:17<jmm>use your belt and an old chewing gum.
09:17<jmm>at least it's how the real mc guyver would have done.
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09:18<myung>how do i uninstall linux so that i dont get any grub error? :S
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09:24<babilen>myung: delete grub as well?
09:25<myung>i guess
09:25<babilen>myung: but seriously: what do you want to see instead of the grub error?
09:25<petemc>microsoft have a knowledge base article on removing linux
09:25<myung>cuz i wont be installing any windows yet
09:25<babilen>myung: any other OS on the box?
09:25<myung>nope, only linux
09:25<myung>i want to erase linux
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09:25<myung>then install windows, and then linux so i can dual boot
09:25<myung>cuz i need windows cuz of my printer :/ no drivers in linux :S
09:25<babilen>that is the only reason?
09:26<gdb>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
09:26*gdb shrugs.
09:26<jmm>if you need only windows for a printer, what about using a virtual machine instead ?
09:26<myung>mm and some other programs that work in win and not in linux
09:26<jmm>it would be less annoying, without reboot.
09:26<myung>yeh i know but i havent been able to get it to work
09:26<myung>vbox wouldnt detect my usb/cdrom stuff
09:27<myung>so cant u just tell me how to do it
09:27<myung>i hate windows too man but i need it :(
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09:28<myung>mm hello? :S
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09:28<babilen>myung: AFAIK windows boot CDs come with two tools to fix the MBR, the first is aptly called "fixmbr" and the other "fixboot"
09:29<babilen>myung: But it should be enough to just install Windows. But don't take my word for it as i haven't done it in years
09:29<myung>babilen, it doesnt
09:29<myung>ive tried in another computer
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09:29<myung>and i have recovery disk(backup) not win xp cd
09:29<myung>does that work?
09:30<babilen>no idea ... last time i used windows was like 2001
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09:30<jmm>same for me.
09:30<myung>lol first time i get in windows support lol
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09:30<babilen>myung: There is also #windows on -- lot's of windows people in there
09:31<myung>not wanna get in there xD
09:31<myung>linux ftw x)
09:32<babilen>Just wanted to let you know
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09:34<jmm>hi Will.
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09:36<FreeWill>anyone know why we keep calling "debian" a gnu/linux system with any non official packages?
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09:37<FreeWill>i mean if i replace any official package with my own why should it still called "debian"
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09:38<FreeWill>knowing the package doesn't belong to stable, testing, unstable, oldstable neither experimental
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09:41<FreeWill>any idea?
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09:55<FreeWill>hello yup
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10:08<wahrheit>hi - does anyone know a proxy that is able to filter ALL JAVASCRIPT? So the requested client does get plan html without any JAVASCRIPT CODE? Thanks!
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10:10<FreeWill>why not disabling javascript functionality on the specific browser?
10:11<simonmumble>My first attempt at a Lenny install using lvm2 failed utterly and dumped me in Busybox unable to mount any LVM partitions. Not helped by the disks having an LVM set-up from Centos before I started. A use for /dev/zero? Anyway have been doing some reading. But is there a status summary of what Lenny LVM supports, why it tries to install LILO (I thought it had died), can /boot be under LVM, can root be under LVM? I think the answers are "LILO for
10:11<simonmumble>LVM is a legacy from before grub-pc"," /boot - YES but maybe not with LILO", "root - YES" but it would be nice to hear it from someone who knows!
10:11<wahrheit>we use a embedded system and we have to load the external pages to a iframe. too many javascript or framebuster scripts make a defect
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10:11<TIBS01>hey ya
10:11<TIBS01>how do i find out what needs tobe added to the sources.list
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10:12<TIBS01>for Linux 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 16:28:13 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
10:12<FreeWill>the browser can't disable javascript?
10:12<Teow>What would be the best way to benchmark the cpu/ram/hdd/network of my server?
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10:12<FreeWill>even if it's embedded
10:12<wahrheit>we can't because we need javascript to control the iframe
10:12<Xhadow>Hello everyone, can anyone tell me a good channel about learning C++?
10:13<simonmumble>Teow: Depends what you are benchmarking for. bonnie++ is great for general purpose I/O subsystem testing. But usually the best benchmark is the task said server will perform
10:13<FreeWill>it can be easier to turn around the javascript control than filtering
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10:14<wahrheit>we tried, but f.e. 5k of javascript code is too much. We really want a Proxy-based filtering
10:14<FreeWill>why not using css and hyperlink?
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10:15<FreeWill>do you have the amount of money to filter javascript?
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10:16<wahrheit>? so you don't know a package ?
10:17<FreeWill> found this on the web
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10:17<wahrheit>i tried this too, but last release from 2006 and it is quite nasty to get it really running - phyton is not where I am expert
10:17<FreeWill>i'm not sure if it can be compiled on embedded
10:18<wahrheit>some links fail on debian/lenny
10:18<wahrheit>device is embedded (viewer), proxy server has füll i686 multicore XEON, running debian lenny
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10:19<FreeWill>so the computing power is in the server...
10:20<simonmumble>wahrheit: if you control the browser - NoScript would kill it for the moment. Squid has a filter module (I think it needs a rebuild), but not heard of it being used to kill Javascript.
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10:20<FreeWill>it's embedded he said
10:20<wahrheit>for squid i found: but no samples, how to use it :(
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10:21<FreeWill>wahrheit what's your browser?
10:21<wahrheit>embedded opera 8, but we can't turn off Javascript, because we need it for other functions.
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10:22<FreeWill>what you want is not compatible
10:22<wahrheit>for www-playback we open a iframe and load f.e. into the iframe, but it crashes, because of too much and complex javascript. embedded device has 200Mhz with 20MB ram
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10:22<FreeWill>easy way with security
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10:23<FreeWill>i really think you should remove all javascripts from iframe
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10:24<wahrheit>ok, I'll check, if there is a option like this for the opera
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10:25<FreeWill>javascript valuable for powerfull client machine
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10:26<inge2158>The first free online sex game, try it:
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10:26<simonmumble>wahrheit: google suggests
10:26<FreeWill>but in your configuration it's not the case
10:26<FreeWill>why not trading javascript with php?
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10:27<wahrheit>so, to load the site by PHP and truncate the site?
10:28<wahrheit>and than delivet to client?
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10:28<FreeWill>port your javascript function to PHP
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10:28<FreeWill>then deliver it to client
10:28<FreeWill>because your server seem more powerfull than clients machine
10:29<wahrheit>for first call it works, but not for any Links inside the loaded page
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10:30<alephnull>hmmm, I just got bitten by #567582 (grub_env_find not found). I have a grub rescue prompt but I cannot insert linux.mod.
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10:30<wahrheit>anyhow - thank you for your advive, will try
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10:32<meglaw_>what? webaliser did not create new month?
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10:33<meglaw_>it overwrote january?
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10:47<alephnull>Damn your eyes grub2
10:48<smvrglc>any good/working method to install debian on xts encrypted root?
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10:53<rjent>Greetings, is gnome 2.28 broke on sid?
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10:53<petemc>rjent: check the bts
10:53<locklace>!broken in sid
10:53<dpkg>well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. see sid
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10:55<rjent>locklace: why does my setup not launch the menu bars? It just hangs
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10:56<rjent>petemc: I will look around. I just thought I would ask, since my last upgrade made my gnome stop working.
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11:17<ChibaPet>Hey all. Can someone help point me in the right direction for an audio issue?
11:18<ChibaPet>Just installed Squeeze on my laptop, replacing Ubuntu for various reasons. Things are generally good, but audio isn't working. Noted that PulseAudio wasn't installed, installed it, no magical fix there as yet.
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11:18<ChibaPet>I'm not finding alsaconf or an equivalent that seems to work.
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11:20<ChibaPet>I have a dream that someday I'll log into an IRC channel and someone will just say "yeah, here's your issue, and here's a pointer to a solution - have a good day"
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11:20<ChibaPet>Hasn't happened in years. Usually I log in and end up helping someone else with their issue.
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11:20<themill>!alsa checklist
11:20<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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11:21<ChibaPet>Today..... is the day... :) ty, checking that
11:21<kamal>suggest a torrent client for gnome.
11:22<meglaw_> rtorrent
11:22<ChibaPet>Gnome comes with Transmission by default. Have you tried it?
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11:23<kamal>ChibaPet: I don't have transmission.
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11:24<kamal>meglaw_: I need a graphical one please.
11:25<ChibaPet>I got it with the default "graphical workstation" package selection, but you can apt-get install transmission manually.
11:25<ChibaPet>It's graphical.
11:25<babilen>kamal: yes, transmission - 'aptitude install transmission-gtk'
11:26<jml_fr>Hi, somebody knows if EAC over wine is supposed to be working currently? (with unstable)
11:26<meglaw_>kamal: rtorrentt has a GUI
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11:26<meglaw_>only its a textgui
11:26<kamal>well I had done that; but didn't get the GUI. let me try again.
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11:27<kamal>btw, how can I clean up my system and remove packages that are not needed any more?
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11:29<kamal>hey, it worked. thanks.
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11:30<ChibaPet>So, I was already in the audio group. Not sure what ought to be running for daemons. I can aplay the Noise file and others, so the hardware and drivers are working. Guess I need to figure out how to tell Gnome to use some sound daemon or other.
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11:31<ChibaPet>Was PulseAudio not being installed an error of some sort, or does Debian use ESD by default and not pulse or something?
11:31<themill>ChibaPet: sounds like it. Having established that your hardware is working fine with aplay is most of the battle done.
11:31<ChibaPet>My vague impression was that PulseAudio is the "wave of the future".
11:32<ChibaPet>This could easily just be a political question, but: what sound muxer/daemon/whatever do I *want* to be using?
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11:32<jml_fr>right so I guess nobody uses EAC :( cheers anyway
11:33<ChibaPet>jml, sorry, looking
11:33<ChibaPet>half a sec
11:33<jml_fr>cool ok
11:34<locklace>ChibaPet: just use alsa unless and until you have a specific need for something else
11:34<ChibaPet>jml, haven't used it myself - it's reviewed as working on WineHQ.
11:34<ChibaPet>lock, ty
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11:36<jml_fr>Chiba: yeah I know, it was working fine with stable, then I moved to unstable, and a month later I needed EAC but the window is just frozen after initial display (even the mouse is not drawn)
11:37<ChibaPet>Horrible idea, but if this is critical to you, how about running stable inside a chroot?
11:38<jml_fr>well it's not THAT critical :) I'd rather borrow the Windows comp from my girlfriend
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11:39<jml_fr>but since I couldn't find info about that with google I feel I'm missing something
11:39<ChibaPet>Hm, maybe trace the process and fire off a copy of the results to some Wine person? Regression might be interesting to them.
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11:40<jml_fr>man trace is not really helpful... ?
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11:40<ChibaPet>I don't think I have anything more useful at the moment. Guess I'll reboot and see if I can get some sound out of Gnome.
11:41<ChibaPet>was thinking ktrace, not sure what the ... looking
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11:42<ChibaPet>hm, looks like strace or valgrind under Linux.
11:42<jml_fr>btw I've also looked into alternatives for EAC but cdparanoia is not good when the CD has a scratch (takes days for a 1 sec scratch)
11:42<jml_fr>looks like I'll have to install strace then
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11:43<ChibaPet>This will be at best a very-long-term assist. Basically just giving possibly-useful debugging information to Wine folk in case it's a regression in their code.
11:44<ChibaPet>Another possibility, see what version of Wine you were using, and try using just that version of it in your Unstable world, either pinning the package somehow or building the right version from source.
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11:44<ChibaPet>I'm so long out of this stuff that the details will require some digging and pain. :P
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11:45<ChibaPet>k, taking off for a bit - rebooting, begging Gnome to talk to a sound daemon, etc.
11:45<jml_fr>yeah I'm not really a Debian geek so was hoping to find an easier solution...
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11:45<jml_fr>thanks chiba
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12:11<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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12:11<alex69rm>e dove sta il canale debian-it???
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12:27<stack_underflow>when using backports, are you supposed to search for packages using 'aptitude -t backports-lenny search packagex'?
12:27<stack_underflow>because i seem to get the same results whether i use '-t backports-lenny' or not
12:27<themill>aptitude search searches all versions by default, not just the desired release
12:28<ml|>apt-show-versions might be useful, for installed apps
12:28<stack_underflow>so if i can't find what i'm looking for i can assume that it's not in the backports?
12:30<stack_underflow>i was trying to install emesene, but i need python-support >= 0.9 and i have 0.8.4; i guess I should just download the package form the internet
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12:30<themill>,versions python-support
12:30<judd>python-support -- etch: 0.5.6 lenny: 0.8.4lenny1 lenny-backports: 1.0.3~bpo50+1 sid: 1.0.6 squeeze: 1.0.6
12:30<stack_underflow>though, this link:, states that lenny-backports contains version 1.0.3
12:30<themill>stack_underflow: ^^ pysupport is there on lenny-backports.
12:31<ml|>oh judd is back :)
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12:31<themill>stack_underflow: but are you trying to mix emesene from squeeze or sid into your lenny box?
12:31<stack_underflow>that's what i'm wondering, am i supposed to download it through aptitude? (i have backports in my sources)
12:32<themill>stack_underflow: "aptitude -t lenny-backports install python-support" would work, yes.
12:32<stack_underflow>themill, i guess, well emesene won't even run cause it says the msn servers changed their protocol
12:32<stack_underflow>themill, but can i search for package versions in backports using aptitude, or will i have to use my browser to do that?
12:33<themill>!bpo contents
12:33<dpkg>To see a list of packages that are available to you from, first add to your sources (ask me about <>) then "aptitude search ~Vbpo". To determine installed packages, ask me about <bpo list>.
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12:33<themill>stack_underflow: but would generally only be asking "is package foo on" in which case, "apt-cache policy foo" answers that question for you.
12:34<themill>stack_underflow: or "/msg judd versions foo" if you're here on irc.
12:34<stack_underflow>themill, is it ok to mix usage of aptitude and apt-get? if not, what's the equivolent of apt-cache for aptitdue?
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12:35<themill>stack_underflow: for installing and removing binary packages, just stick to aptitude. For things like searching, it matters not.
12:37<stack_underflow>themill, what does "aptitude search ~Vbpo" do?
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12:38<themill>!aptitude search
12:38<dpkg>from memory, aptitude search is a powerful searching facility that by default only searches package names, but can be made to search priorities, installation status, dependencies etc. See /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html from the aptitude-doc package or or ask me about <aptitude docs>
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12:39<xNetoXMartinsx>stack_underflow: for search packages use: # aptitude search package
12:39<stack_underflow>is it generally recommend to use backports as a solution to this problem?
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12:40<themill>stack_underflow: we don't know what "this problem" is yet.
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12:41<jez>Hi... is there a recommended kernel version to use for squeeze?
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12:41<mfkne>hi, i've installed flightgear, but, i cannot start it. /usr/share/app-install/desktop/FlightGear says the binary is call fgfs, but `which fgfs` gives no results
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12:41<mfkne>fgfs-base and fgfs-atlas is installed
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12:43<stack_underflow>themill, oh i thought i stated it, i need python-support version 0.9 for emesene to work with msn's new protocol, but lenny has 0.8.4
12:43<themill>stack_underflow: but where is this new emsense coming from? are you making your own backport?
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12:44<stack_underflow>themill, the emesene aptitude has it 1.0 and i downloaded the .deb for 1.6
12:44<chealer>jez: yes (squeeze's)
12:45<themill>stack_underflow: mixing debian releases like that is often going to end in tears. You *might* just get away with it here, but since debian has different versions of python in lenny and squeeze, anything could happen.
12:45<themill>stack_underflow: but yes, to grab python-support, use
12:45<jez>well i'm trying to do an aptitude full-upgrade and something is failing because the kernel is too old.
12:46<jez>this is after i updated my sources.list to point to squeeze
12:46<stack_underflow>themill, would you say this is my only option to get this specific program working?
12:46<themill>stack_underflow: The safer approach would be to make your own backport. /msg dpkg ssb
12:48<jez>what apt commands do i type just to upgrade the kernel to the current repo's version?
12:49<themill>jez: "aptitude install linux-image-686" (substitute -amd64 etc as appropriate)
12:49<stack_underflow>themill, ok thanks, i'll try that out
12:50<jez>themill: why does this page and msot other tutorials i see tell me differently?
12:52<jez>apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.17-6-686
12:52<jez>it says
12:52<themill>come on.. how old is that kernel? and you htink you're going to find it in testing?
12:53<ml|>jez: that page is from 2004; do as themill saod
12:53<jez>so just one command?
12:53<jez>or do i still have to also use tar
12:53<jez>and change a symlink?
12:53<themill>do you want the kernel source as well?
12:54<themill>(you most likely don't)
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12:54<themill>pages like that are either particularly ancient or written by cluebies who haven't bothered to find out what yo do.
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12:54<jez>well my /usr/src dir is empty currently
12:54<jez>so it looks like i dont have the current src
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12:55<stack_underflow>i'm a bit confused as to stick to using aptitude or apt-get; it seems every online source i see uses apt-get and i can never find an equivelent command for aptitude; is there an equivelent aptitude command for every apt-get?
12:56<prahal>stack_underflow, no not yet
12:56<prahal>but all user level commands should be there already
12:56<dkr>stack_underflow: aptitude is recommended by the debian manual
12:56<ml|>stack_underflow: /msg dpkg why aptitude
12:56<dkr>your online sources are old. :)
12:56<prahal>ie apt-get source or apt-get build-dep are not available in aptitude
12:57<prahal>hum maybe source but not build-dep :-/
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12:57<jez>ok so "aptitude install linux-image-amd64" and just that command should upgrade my kernel all by itself?
12:57<themill>prahal: aptitude build-dep is available from lenny
12:57<jez>do i need to reboot after?
12:57<ml|>jez: to use new kernel yes
12:57<jez>does it prompt u
12:57<prahal>themill, gosh yes :) sorry I have not checked for too long
12:57<dkr>it warns you that you need to reboot, though
12:58<jez>so.... it installs automatically on reboot
12:58<themill>prahal: a welcome addition :)
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12:58<jez>or does it just load
12:59<dkr>jez: well, it's already installed, but you need to reboot to use it
12:59<jez>it just needs to load into memory i suppose
12:59<ml|>jez: you reboot to use the new installed kernel
12:59<stack_underflow>is there such thing as 'aptitude -b source package', i can't seem to find it in man aptitude
12:59<jez>ok, i'll go try
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12:59<NiaB>what can i do if i get udp flood and it uses 80% of my bandwidth? It comes from 1 ip and ive already dropped it by iptables but it doesnt change anything
12:59<NiaB>flood looks like this
12:59<NiaB>Mon Feb 1 18:58:34 2010; UDP; eth1; 46 bytes; from to
12:59<NiaB>Mon Feb 1 18:58:34 2010; UDP; eth1; 46 bytes; from to
12:59<NiaB>Mon Feb 1 18:58:34 2010; UDP; eth1; 46 bytes; from to
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13:00<locklace>NiaB: call your isp
13:00<NiaB>ofc i get enough to make my network laggy
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13:00<NiaB>yea it would be my last option
13:00<dkr>remove the logging rule
13:00<NiaB>i logged it by iptraf :)
13:01<NiaB>so i dont log regularly
13:01<dkr>ah :)
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13:01<NiaB>but why dont help if i make chain like this?
13:02<NiaB>iptables -A INPUT -p udp -s -j DROP
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13:02<NiaB>maybe i need a firewall that can ignore incoming packets from an ip?
13:03<NiaB>coz it seems iptables is absolutely useless against floods
13:03<dkr>because the data is still arriving at your system, that jusyt stops it from being further processed by your system
13:03<locklace>there's fuck all you can do about bandwidth utilisation caused by unsolicited traffic arriving over your upstream link
13:03<locklace>call your isp
13:03<dkr>yes, blocking at upstream firewall is the usual technique, hence locklace's advice to call yor isp
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13:04<NiaB>k, but the only problem they wont give a fuck :/
13:04<locklace>then you're screwed. get a new isp
13:04<dkr>well, bandwidth use costs them money...
13:06<NiaB>okay, thanks anyway
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13:17<mfkne> hi, i've installed flightgear, but, i cannot start it. /usr/share/app-install/desktop/FlightGear says the binary is call fgfs, but `which fgfs` gives no results
13:17<mfkne>fgfs-base and fgfs-atlas is installed
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13:20<adb>put the command in xterminal and see
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13:22<mfkne>mchl% fgfs
13:22<mfkne>zsh: command not found: fgfs
13:22<mfkne>mchl% runfgfs
13:22<mfkne>zsh: command not found: runfgfs
13:22<mfkne>mchl% flightgear
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13:23<mfkne>sry, i wanted to say that serveral trys failed
13:24<Lin>hi there. I wish to monitor every packet sent/recieved thru network by an application, any tool can help me acomplish that?
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13:25<babilen>mfkne: have a look inside the package (dpkg -L <package>) and search for binaries. Try executing them with their full path and adjust your $PATH to a sane value if that works
13:26<themill>mfkne: /usr/games is probably not in your path => /usr/games/fgfs
13:26<adb>mfkne, isn't flightgear the command ?
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13:27<mfkne>adb: i don't think so and i doesn't work
13:27<stack_underflow>question about building my own backport; once i do so, do the dependencies of the package get installed 'locally' to the package somehow? because the dependency i need was python-support 0.9 for a package, but when i do 'aptitude show python-support', i still get 0.8.4 (my old version) - just wondering how this works
13:27<PatrickBatman>would anyone happen to know if the xserver-xorg-video-intel is broken in sid right now?
13:28<slush>PatrickBatman: it might
13:28<slush>that's sid
13:28<cahoot>PatrickBatman: looked at
13:29<mfkne>file `dpkg -L fgfs-base`|grep ELF gives no results
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13:30<mfkne>or is there an error in the command?
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13:32<PatrickBatman>thanks but I'm looking for personal experience, not bugs database
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13:33<themill>mfkne: have you tried /usr/games/fgfs yet?
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13:34<mfkne>yes, there is no such file
13:34<themill>what version of debian is this?
13:35<themill>flightgear isn't in squeeze, so how did you install it?
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13:35<themill>judd: versions flightgear
13:35<judd>flightgear -- etch: 0.9.10-2 lenny: 1.0.0-3+b1 sid: 1.9.1-1
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13:36<mfkne>that wired
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13:36<themill>It hasn't been for 8 months.
13:36<themill>!why is flightgear not in testing
13:36<dpkg>flightgear is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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13:37<think43>I am gonna install ubunto for a try, cause I wanna run kde 4 and squeeze isn't ready until maybe this sumer.
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13:38<mfkne>ok, thx
13:39<mfkne>I had lenny, and upgraded by changing pkg-sources Was that a bad idear?
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13:40<sney`>that's technically how you do it, but you may have missed a step
13:40<themill>mfkne: you probably still have the lenny version of flightgear installed then. Or if you just installed it then, then aptitude probably told you that it couldn't install the package. In either case, /usr/games/fgfs should exist.
13:41<sney`>dpkg> Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. Important: see <squeeze udev>.
13:41<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, sney`
13:41<themill>sney`: ! doesn't work with factoids with -> in them. Don't ask.
13:41<sney`>must be a special character thing
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13:41<sney`>I wonder if it would work if I escaped it
13:41<sney`>maybe I'll try that later.
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13:43<mfkne>sney: well thx
13:43<azeem_>4/W 44
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13:59<stack_underflow>when you create your own backport, do the dependencies of the package get installed 'locally' to the package somehow? because the dependency i need was python-support 0.9 for a package, but when i do 'aptitude show python-support', i still get 0.8.4 (my old version) - just wondering how this works
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14:01<jez999>i am finally chatting from....... my upgraded Debian squeeze install, from within X!!! ;-D
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14:02<jez999>but there's a zillion config probs :-)
14:02<jez999>it's just about connected to the net hehe
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14:02<vrglcsm>fun, isn't it? lol
14:03<Nemoder>can't learn anything if you never have problems :)
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14:03<jez999>i'm so glad to be rid of Ubuntu's brown interface
14:03<jez999>gawd, Debian's default branding is so refreshing
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14:05<locklace>!congratulate jez999
14:05<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies jez999, you did it!
14:06<jez999>why is Epiphany web browser the default linked browser in gnome when Iceweasel is included?
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14:06<rjent>I wanted to report back on my gnome2.28 issue that the main problem was that gnome-2.28 did not get fully installed. I installed gnome-panel and it pulled in many other things and now all is well!
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14:07<vrglcsm>any known method to install on a aes-xts encrypted root partition?
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14:08<jez999>and also Evolution is the default mail client
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14:10<vrglcsm>Epihhany is default because it comes as default from GNOME if i'm not wrong. Or at least this was the reason last time I checked (ages ago). Same reason for Evolution I believe.
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14:11<EagleScreen>Konqueror is also the default in KDE, while iceweasel also comes pre-installed
14:11<themill>jez999: these are defaults only. Just like the colour scheme, you are free to customise. There's little point in complaining about defaults most of the time as they are frequently just matters of taste.
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14:12<EagleScreen>the default browser can be configured quickly and easily
14:12<snogglethorpe>the desktop guys are kinda obnoxious i think
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14:16<vrglcsm>ubuntu has a chroot command. is there something similar on debian?
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14:19<jez999>ok. i just performed (most of) a lenny -> squeeze update.
14:20<jez999>i also upgraded the kernel to version 2.6.32-trunk-amd64
14:20<jez999>im having some problems finishing off some package upgrades though.
14:21<jez999>it seems like the hal package is causing problems, but i cant figure out why
14:21<vrglcsm>is there a recommended way to install debian from a live system (debian-live preferred)?
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14:22<adb>vrglcsm, yes, select install at boot menu ..
14:22<panthera>vrglcsm: for lenny: use the dedicated installer images (aka regular images)
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14:22<panthera>vrglcsm: for squeeze/sid: use live-installer (that you have to include at the live systems build-time)
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14:34<vrglcsm>i'm trying to install debian on a aes-xts encrypted root partition (/boot unencrypted of course) using a usb disk. the installer included on the squeeze usb image gave me no such choice as aes-xts. any idea how to enable that? some time ago i encrypted the root partition using gnewsense deltah, and i only had to install cryptsetup and lvm2 and load dm-mod, dm-crypt and aes-i586 (running on a i386).
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14:34<zeus>does anyone know if in lenny there is something similar to mac os rtadvd ( ?
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14:38<Schildfront>My server boots fine in netKVM. No errors reported. openssh-server started aswell. but in normal mode the server doesnt ping at all... Networkconfigs are ok. udev renames eth0 to eth1, my network interfaces are eth1 aswell. Does anyone have a hint?
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14:38<gerrin>the mouse left click on my Toshiba Satellite isnt working, right click still does that, anyone know how to fix this
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14:39<gerrin>sorry the left click on my toshiba sateelite
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14:40<gerrin>also not working on the brandnew plugnplay usb mouse i just bought
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15:08<zeus>how can i submit a debian bug report? I remember there was a cli tool but i can't remember its name
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15:08<kmap>zeus: reportbug
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15:09<zeus>kmap: ok ! thank you (i was looking for bug* )
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15:10<car>hola a todos
15:10<car>hi zeus
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15:11<car>how are you?
15:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:13<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:14<teliparas>what are the differenc betwen dsniff and ettercap??
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15:19<victor> kerneloops client woot is
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15:24<guilherme_cabofrio>boa tarde pessoal
15:25<guilherme_cabofrio>alguem aí poderia me auxiliar
15:25<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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15:29<guilherme_cabofrio>Anyone can help me? Install module Ati
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15:31<FreeWill>what's wrong with ATI?
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16:01<giuseppe>xdcc send #10
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16:11<dpkg>My factoids are available at in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <search>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals>, <opensearch>
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16:13<chealer>!seen stew
16:13<dpkg>stew <i=1413@freenode/staff/stew> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-ops, 15d 4h 6m 54s ago, saying: 'thanks'.
16:13<chealer>what happened to stew?
16:13<themill>chealer: got busy IRL
16:13<inkbottle>After having physically moved (while turned off), the computer (then of course also after a reboot), I've got a freeze at "loading initial ramdisk" (so, after "grub welcome" and with the beautiful Debian's blue splash screen). I'm a bit disappointed :/
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16:14<sney`>loose connection possibly
16:14<inkbottle>sney: open the box and see if sth is visible?
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16:15<inkbottle>Does this kind of error looks like a physical problem?
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16:16<mase>inkbottle pata or sata? maybe you just had a bios reset
16:17<mase>inkbottle and you have (re-) set the ide-mode
16:17<inkbottle>how can this happen, and how do i fix that?
16:17<mase>inkbottle ahci/legacy/native
16:17<inkbottle>sorry i don't understand
16:18<chealer>themill: IRL, heh. unfortunate. I wish his factoids website was still available.
16:18<mase>inkbottle maybe its something complete different, just was thinking what it could be
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16:19<inkbottle>the bios says my disk are IDE, and it says some are slave and other masters; and it failed finding one of them...
16:19<mase>slave and master with "sata"?
16:20<mase>i dont know what mode it was before but you can just try to set it to "ahci"
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16:21<inkbottle>mase: I'll go into it, then i come back in a few minutes
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16:24<dpkg>home1: VATTENE VIA
16:25<sney`>non c'e lista
16:26<home1>grz sney
16:26<jthomas_sb_>what may be wrong with this command? The smb://$ works fine in Dolphin with this user account, but this command is giving me Permission Denied errors after prompting for passwd: sudo smbmount //$ /home/jthomas/deichholz/ -Uadministrator
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16:27<mase>jthomas_sb_ used '"' around the paths?
16:27<jthomas_sb_>hmm lemme try that
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16:28<mase>($ means variable or something like that; would probabla erased"
16:28<jthomas_sb_>i tried with c\$
16:28<mase>jthomas_sb_ used " ' "? (sorry)
16:28<jthomas_sb_>ah ok lemme try that
16:28<mase>ah, ok
16:28<mase>\$ should have worked...
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16:31<jthomas_sb_>still, no
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16:31<mase>jthomas_sb_ and by using " ' " not using the "\"...
16:31<jthomas_sb_>yep, no go
16:31<inkbottle>mase: I've put everything at ahci and also native, this in a couple of time; however there is no improvement
16:31<inkbottle>then probably take the screwdriver
16:32<slush>jthomas_sb_: can you use "smbclient -L //" ?
16:32<inkbottle>if screwdriver doesn't give result; would inserting a boot cd check the system?
16:33<mase>inkbottle yep, but be shure to set everything back to "IDE" like it was. Sorry, the AHCI stuff was just an idea :(
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16:33<jthomas_sb_>slush no go, its not a complete command apparently
16:34<inkbottle>mase: ok, i do that (so wont be here again for some time)
16:34<slush>jthomas_sb_: what the message you got?
16:35<jthomas_sb_>oh it did work when I removed the 'sudo' which I had added, slush
16:35<jthomas_sb_>hmm, I must have mistyped it, working now both ways
16:36<jthomas_sb_>oh, I was using smbmount -L
16:36<jthomas_sb_>yeah the C$ is listed fine
16:37<mase>jthomas_sb_ have you tried smbmount with the uppercase 'C$' or does it not matter within smb?
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16:37<jthomas_sb_>not sure, but I've tried it all manner of ways
16:38<jez999>when trying to do a full-upgrade in aptitude, im getting some broken packages. how can i fix them?
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16:38<jez999>pastebin output at:
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16:39<dpkg>[grub] GNU GRUB (GRand Unified Bootloader) 0.9x, aka GRUB Legacy. A powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes and understands many filesystems. To install: "aptitude install grub grub-doc" ("aptitude install grub-legacy grub-legacy-doc" for Squeeze). To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. To migrate from LILO, ask about <lilo->grub>. See also <grub errors>, <grub2>, <supergrub>.
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16:41<locklace>jez999: you never actually followed the lenny->squeeze procedure did you
16:41<jthomas_sb_>jez999 , answer no when it asks to accept and it will try to offer a different solution. or try 'aptitude safe-upgrade' which trys to not remove apps.
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16:41<jez999>i did
16:41<jez999>that's been done
16:41<jez999>now im onto the full-install bit
16:41<jthomas_sb_>try apt-get safe-upgrade , they work a bit differently
16:42<jez999>E: Invalid operation safe-upgrade
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16:42<jthomas_sb_>ok, try apt-get dist-upgrade :D
16:42<locklace>jez999: just accept the first option then. you can reinstall the gnome junk afterward
16:42<locklace>jthomas_sb_: bad idea
16:43<jthomas_sb_>or that, sure
16:43<jez999>but im in gnome now
16:43<jez999>i'd rather now uninstall it :-(
16:43<locklace>you shouldn't even be doing this stuff while x is running
16:43<jez999>isnt there a way to fix those 'broken' packages?
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16:43<locklace>stop x and do it from the console like you're supposed to
16:43<jez999>it didnt say that in the PM
16:44<locklace>jez999: you're being told precisely how to fix them
16:44<jez999>and actually X started automatically when i upgraded
16:45<jez999>fix as in remove/add?
16:45<jez999>that's a fix?
16:45<perkebunnan>fix this
16:45<perkebunnan>pasir junghuhn
16:45<locklace>jez999: stop talking on irc and go do it
16:46<perkebunnan>no go at geography
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16:55<jthomas_sb_>jez9999 Log out of GNOME. use [ctrl][alt][f1] to get to the TTY1. Log in. Become root. run '/etc/init.d/x11-common stop'. Run your upgrade. Reinstall GNOME if needed. run ''/etc/init.d/x11-common start'. Log out of TTY1. Use [ctrl][alt][f7] to get to the GDM login.
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17:12<latenal>hello, I have GeForce 7160M / nforce 630M. I have installed nvidia drivers according to the article but i still have 50Hz instead of 60. Please help, my eyes are blowing up
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17:13<locklace>latenal: look for a better refresh rate in the output of "xrandr -q", or else set it up yourself in xorg.conf
17:13<meglaw_>turn of vsync
17:13<meglaw_>oh, wrong channel, sorry, thougt i was in #sto
17:15<latenal>locklace: there is no better refresh rate
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17:15<mase>latenal then you probably have to set up your xorg.conf according to your monitore; modelines etc.
17:15<latenal>locklace: it says just 50 at 1280x800
17:16<locklace>latenal: then man xorg.conf. look for VertRefresh and Modeline
17:16<mase>latenal at least h-freq and v-freq
17:17<latenal>i'm newbie in linux and i have made a lot of stuff that could blow up my laptop
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17:17<mase>latenal its a laptop? than its a tft; why not 50hz? its ok, isn't it...
17:18<mase>latenal i thought it was a crt...
17:18<latenal>i looked up on the ineternet for modeline and understood that i don't know how computers work that well
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17:18<mase>latenal modelines are mostely for crt...
17:18<latenal>no, it's not crt, but it's hard to read. I seee my laptop blinking
17:19<mase>latenal i repeat; 50hz should be usable on a laptop; maybe you have another problem
17:19<latenal>my friends say it's ok, but i see it's blinking
17:19<locklace>latenal: manual configuration of x is an old unix ritual. it fulfills the same purpose as hair shirts, tribal dances and the sacrifice of dead chickens in earlier times
17:19<retrospectacus>true that
17:20<latenal>:) no chickens yet, but i've had all the others
17:20<mase>latenal can you post laptop-type, your xorg.conf
17:22<latenal>I have HP Pavilion dv6910us and my xorg.cong is
17:22<mase>latenal but the blinking is only in X, not in bios or console? (cable defect in the lid or sth. like that)
17:23<latenal>no, i had vista, everything seemed to be ok
17:23<inkbottle>hi, I haven't used the screwdriver, but I've inserted a boot cd and started in rescue mode
17:24<mase>latenal at first, since it is a quite recent laptop, i would remove the "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" lines
17:24<mase>latenal (section "monitor")
17:24<inkbottle>everything seems functional, and i have no problem accessing the disks...
17:25<mase>latenal restarted X?
17:25<latenal>not yet, i'll come back in a moment
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17:25<inkbottle>any advices, before i try to boot again though i've haven't changed anything?
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17:26<inkbottle>i recall the problem is a freeze at "loading initial ramdisk"
17:26<mase>inkbottle by the way; have you had a system upgrade before the whole moving thing (even month ago)?
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17:27<latenal>all the same :(
17:27<inkbottle>mase: that's what i thought i pointed out though it wasn't clear: Yes I had
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17:28<mase>inkbottle and, at first, you can remove the "-quiet" flag in grub in the parameter line (just within the grub menu by pressing "e" i think)
17:28<inkbottle>I reboot then of "course", i had an upgrade in the between
17:28<mase>inkbottle you get a grub menu at first, right?
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17:29<mase>inkbottle there is a small editor included in this grub menu
17:29<inkbottle>ok, i try that; yes for that question too
17:29<inkbottle>ok, i see, and i enter "e"
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17:29<mase>inkbottle i hope it was "e", but the possible keys should get shown in the buttom of screen
17:29<inkbottle>mase: back in a minute then :)
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17:30<mase>inkbottle maybe it was "tab", sorry, can't remember
17:31<mase>inkbottle at first use any cursors so you won't get trapped of the timeout ;)
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17:32<latenal>i have removed those lines and restarted X, there's no difference
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17:33<mase>latenal thats really strange
17:33<mase>latenal but the resolution is OK?
17:34<mase>latenal i NEVER got any TFT "blinking"...
17:34<latenal>can i force to work my display at 60Hz?
17:34<latenal>well, it
17:34<latenal>it's not like blink but i see it
17:35<jthomas_sb_>Lenny with BackupPC 3.1.0, I am getting "Pool is 0.00GB comprising 0 files and 0 directories" when I view the web insterface. Changed the line in /usr/share/backuppc/lib/BackupPC/ to read "map { $_->{type} = 0 + $_->{type}; $_->{type} = undef if ($_->{type} eq BPC_DT_UNKNOWN); } < at > entries; " per the patch in this and other posts (about halfway down)
17:35<jthomas_sb_>backuppc-21/pool-is-0-00gb-comprising-0-files-and-0-directories-98371/ but now BackupPC wont start, error ' Starting backuppc...Bareword found where operator expected at /usr/share/backuppc/lib/BackupPC/ line 492, near "< at > entries" (Missing operator before entries?) '
17:35<mase>latenal you have a second option:
17:35<jthomas_sb_>ug that link was,
17:35<mase>latenal you can x let create a "new" xor.conf" by autoprobing: (mom)
17:36<jthomas_sb_>any ideas on how to get BackupPC to correctly list the size of the backup area stored at /pool/ ?
17:36<locklace>!tell latenal about modeline
17:37<mase>latenal you can call (X disabled) "Xorg -configure". so you will get a new it hink in your home directory (should be root of course)
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17:37<mase>latenal then you can replace the origin config file with this
17:37<latenal>how to make X disabled? is "gdm stop" ok?
17:38<mase>latenal youp
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17:38<mase>latenal and i DON'T THINK MODELINE will solve the problem on a LAPTOP! (locklace :D)
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17:38<inkbottle>mase: it was "e". But even without the "quiet", not any new messages. The boot disk is (hda0,1) but i think it's ok, even though my boot disk is sda1. Perhaps i can (it's what i'm going to do), reinstall grub via the boot-cd (though it might be an older grub install)
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17:39<mase>inkbottle strange; at least you should get any error...
17:39<locklace>!tell inkbottle about reinstall grub
17:40<mase>inkbottle of course you could reinstall grub but you should know what you are doing... :/
17:40<mase>inkbottle ( installing grunb from an other system...)
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17:41<inkbottle>I'have to try sth else before; i'm back in a minute
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17:41<mase>inkbottle how long have you been waiting for maximum?
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17:53<inkbottle>mase: 10 to 15 minutes at least
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17:54<mase>inkbottle ok, just asking... :P
17:54<inkbottle>is the boot, always (hda0,1) (that is hda2)?
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17:55<inkbottle>but I think I have to regenerate grub.cfg
17:55<inkbottle>this is reinstalling grub, right?
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17:55<latenal>mase: X -reconfigure showed me a strange screen: black and white point and a cross instead of coursor
17:55<mase>inkbottle well, you can edit it within the menu...(for try)
17:56<mase>latenal ok, i did not mead "reconfigure" but "configure"....
17:56<mase>latenal but was "that" screen "blinking"?
17:56<mase>-mead + mean
17:57<latenal>oh, sh... i'll repeat it :)
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17:58<mase>latenal but if it was not blinking your goal is in "reach" ;D
17:58<inkbottle>mase: but if i edit it within the menu, do i have to do sth for grub to take in in account after that?
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17:58<latenal>well, it's hard to say, it sort of rufles..
17:59<latenal>i gonna try to "configure". i ll be back :)
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18:00<mase>latenal yes, of course. but you can just have a bunch of tries to the goal; is easyer than boot live-cd(edit gub.cfg);boot hd; boot live-cd(edit grub.cfg).... and so on
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18:01<mase>latenal but since grub is working on your side, its very strange why you don't get any error...
18:01<latenal>no change :(
18:01<mase>oh fuck, wrong addresat
18:02<mase>inkbottle but since grub is working on your side, its very strange why you don't get any error...
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18:03<mase>inkbottle my last statements for latenal should be destinated to you :(
18:03<inkbottle>mase: yes, strange
18:04<inkbottle>sth else, why (hd0,1) and not (hd0,0)??
18:04<mase>latenal ok, stubid idea; tried it with completely erased xorg.conf? (rename it please, because of you russian keyboard stuff)
18:04<mase>"stubid", sorry "stupid"
18:04<latenal>what next?
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18:06<inkbottle>fdisk -l
18:06<mase>latenal can you just rename your xorg.conf so there in't anyone any more?
18:07<mase>latenal and than restart X
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18:07<latenal>ok, brb
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18:09<inkbottle>my boot is /dev/sda1 that is (hd0,1) so that is ok...
18:09<inkbottle>what about "super grub" cd?
18:09<mase>inkbottle yea, you can try "stupid" partitions to see if it is grub or if just the format of your initrd is damaged
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18:10<inkbottle>what do you mean by "stupid" partition?
18:10<adb>/dev/sda1 is (hd0,0)
18:10<inkbottle>adb: Yes??
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18:10<mase>inkbottle i mean "force" errors ba grub like "file not found"
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18:11<inkbottle>mase: i see
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18:11<latenal>omg, it's even worse: 1024x768 and like 40Hz
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18:12<inkbottle>them: modify the "menu"; then what to regenerate grug.cfg?
18:12<latenal>xrandr says "1024x768 0.0 "
18:12<mase>latenal damm, im sorry, but a tft is a tft, it's hard to get it flicker...
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18:13<latenal>mase: where does it take those numbers? i want to force it to work better
18:13<inkbottle>update-grub (must be the command)
18:13<inkbottle>i try it now
18:14<inkbottle>with (hd0,0)
18:14<mase>inkbottle i'd just use the "e" key to play a litlle bit
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18:15<mase>inkbottle if anything works you can change the grub.cfg afterwards
18:15<edbian>what does it mean that my user is logged in at pts/0 ??
18:15<inkbottle>mase good idea
18:15<mase>edbian "psedo-terminal"; its ok...
18:16<edbian>mase, That's my gnome terminal?
18:16<edbian>mase, Thank you!!
18:16<mase>edbian youp, obviously
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18:17<locklace>!tell latenal about modeline
18:18<mase>locklace a laptops display should not behave like that...
18:18<mase>locklace its a quite recent laptop...
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18:30<latenal>videogen doesn't help
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18:37<RedLance>Ok, I compiled a program from source, but I forgot to add a command to the make command, so now I need to recompile do I start over?
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18:39<sney`>RedLance: make clean.
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18:40<sney`>and you should look into a program called 'stow' if you want uninstall support later.
18:40<sney`>it's in apt.
18:40<RedLance>sney`, I tried that, but ti didn't seem to do much, and then the recompile didn't seem to work either...kept saying "nothing to do"
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18:41<sney`>if you still have the source tarball, delete the directory and untar it again
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18:44<Guest387>Olá, alguém pode me dar auxilio quanto a instalação do pidgin no Debian ?
18:44<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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18:45<RedLance>sney`, Ok, I can do that, thanks!
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18:47<latenal>mase: any other idea?
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18:50<mase>latenal ergh, what was your last state? (i'm gonna sleep quite now)
18:50<inkbottle>I will try supergrub, idea where to find the md5sum of sgd_cdrom_1.21.iso?
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18:51<latenal>i erased old xorg.conf: 1024x768@lower_than_before and turned it back
18:53<mase>latenal ok, i'm orry; restore your ol conf ;D
18:53<mase>latenal damm, some keys missing
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18:54<latenal>mase: no problem, i have already done it and have my 50Hz back :)
18:54<RedLance>Do I just separate the options for make with spaces?
18:55<latenal>mase: i mean the other smile = :(
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18:55<mase>latenal im really sorry, but im gonna sleep...
18:56<latenal>mase, thanks for your help
18:57<mase>latenal its 1pm in germany now, but maybe we met tomorrow
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19:09<will>buenas noches ...
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19:09<will>alguien habla español ... ¡?
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19:09<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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19:13<themill>perkebunnan: please stop announcing your away/back status in #debian
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19:23<jugger90>I have found two minor bugs in synaptic. shall I report that separately?
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19:25<FreeWill>are they reproductable with a clean and fresh system?
19:27<jugger90>one is abusolutoly reproductable
19:28<jugger90>one is may so because I just install the system yestaday
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19:29<jugger90>one is version number is wrong
19:29<jugger90>one is japanese l10n is broken
19:30<FreeWill>if there are not linked they should be reported seperately
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19:31<FreeWill>it seems the case
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19:32<ml|>check bts before filing a new bug report, there maybe open bug reports on your issues
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19:33<FreeWill>it maybe already fixed in a new release
19:34<jugger90>unfortunately, I installed sid
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19:35<jugger90>this is first time I found a bug
19:35<FreeWill>maybe already fixed by the upstream author too
19:35<jugger90>but synaptic don't have upstream
19:36<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
19:36<FreeWill>then in experimental
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19:39<XtremoX>what is kernel trunk?
19:39<abrotman>XtremoX: volatile kernel .. no stable ABI
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19:43<inkbottle>mase: just to say nothing has worked so far, but i think i have to stop for now
19:43<jsubl2>how can i check to ensure jigdo is using the cdrom
19:43<chealer>XtremoX: apparently, it doesn't mean anything. it's in replacement of the previous -1-, -2-, etc. Debian ABI version for each Linux version. if you don't know what these meant, you can ignore it.
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19:44<themill>chealer: by "ignore" you mean "just rebuild all your out-of-tree kernel modules every time"
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19:46<nobilis>I have 160Gib hard drive which i patitinoned in 3 partitions 1-50gib ntfs winxp, 2-50gib for debain, 49gib fat32. installed windxp successfully, after installed debian i got the message saying "Error unknow file system" , "Entering rescue mode", and "grub rescue>_". What went wrong and how do I solve this problem? anybody please help. thanks
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19:49<FreeWill>nobilis: what file system did you use for debian?
19:51<FreeWill>have you created the file system?
19:51<FreeWill>or just configured the type of file system
19:51<nobilis>no i let debain do it automatically.
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19:52<FreeWill>have you seen the creation process? (like formatting in windows)
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19:53<nobilis>no i format ntfs during the winxp installation.
19:54<FreeWill>so the ext3 filesystem doesn't exist
19:54<FreeWill>the message is correct
19:54<FreeWill>try to create it manually
19:55<nobilis>so you mean i have to reinstall debain?
19:56<FreeWill>you didn't install debian yet because no compatible file system was found
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19:56<FreeWill>I mean yes you should try again to boot on the installer
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19:56<FreeWill>to create a compatible filesystem then the installer should continu the procedure
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19:58<nobilis>i did installed and it took about 50min then after it complet and i removed the cd from the drive it rebooted and the message came. anyway, that is what i thing to reinstall it again.
19:58<nobilis> thanks
19:58<nobilis>i will let you know
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19:59<FreeWill>so you installed debien
19:59<FreeWill>no boot flag was detected by the BIOS
19:59<nobilis>i am not sure
19:59<FreeWill>either your boot selection is not properly set
20:00<FreeWill>or the MBR is not bootable
20:00<twb>Does anybody maintain a GNOME 1 PPA for Squeeze?
20:00<twb>I yearn for the days when GNOME wasn't so amazingly retarded
20:00<nobilis>ok i am reinstalling it right now
20:01<FreeWill>be aware that according to the order of installation
20:01<FreeWill>you could boot on the Windows bootloader or GRUB
20:02<FreeWill>Debian should tell you that at the end of the installation
20:03<FreeWill>multiboot on the same drive is not the ideal case
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20:04<TCW>FreeWill, what is your current status?
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20:04<FreeWill>TCW: what?
20:05<TCW>#er... sorry :)
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20:06<TCW>nobilis, what is your current situation?
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20:06<TCW>in regards to the Debian / DualBoot system :)
20:08<TCW>I hope you are NOT yet reinstalling
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20:08<FreeWill>TCW: I'm afraid it's too late
20:09<TCW>FreeWill, why didn't you hold him back? :)
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20:09<FreeWill>TCW: because he though he could do it better... again
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20:10<FreeWill>for some people installation it's a kind of game
20:10<TCW>FreeWill, again?
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20:11<TCW>FreeWill, but we are here to counter-react there... as reinstalling is a windows thing, we unix folks we actually fix the issue by... fixing and not re-installing and praying :)
20:12<FreeWill>before fixing anything I reinstalled a couple of times
20:12<TCW>FreeWill, huh?
20:12<FreeWill>after learning the system I fix everything
20:13<FreeWill>so if it's his first time
20:13<TCW>if it is his first time, we should encourage him to learn it right from the start
20:13<FreeWill>maybe reinstalling is the better thing to do before destroy everything
20:14<Nemoder>only if you never want to learn anything
20:14<TCW>FreeWill, destroying? How? He had probaly a simple boot issue (no one will ever know), and the sys was fresh, no user-data on it...
20:14<FreeWill>at the first time you never want to learn anything
20:14<FreeWill>you just want to try to like it
20:15<FreeWill>you learn only if it's valuable
20:15<Nemoder>you only learn by making mistakes :)
20:15<TCW>FreeWill, but he did ask for help, that did indicate he wanted actually help (to understand and fix) rather then reinstalling...
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20:16<streuner>Nemoder: some don't :-P
20:16<Nemoder>yes I suppose some never learn..
20:17<FreeWill>maybe he learn something that he did not think about before asking help
20:17<TCW>After all, I just want to point out, reinstalling is especially on unix systems not a proper solution (at least on GNU/Linux systems I know that for a fact) and no one should ecourage folks to think otherwise.
20:18<TCW>FreeWill, maybe the hell will freeze one day... :p
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20:19<FreeWill>I think he's a big boy to know if he prefers to fix or to install
20:19<FreeWill>I'm not a preacher
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20:22<TCW>FreeWill, I rather think he was a relatively new user to the fine world of unixoid systems and asked for advise, made some false assumptions, did the wrong thing and no one told (not preaching) him to do it otherwise
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20:24<FreeWill>I gave him ideas to debug, no magic potion to fix
20:25<FreeWill>but he was already convinced to reinstall before asking help
20:25<FreeWill>he believed in that
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20:26<TCW>I have no idea how hard he did believe that, but I know his "beliefs" were based on wrong assumptions
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20:27<FreeWill>that's why I prefer that he discovers the *nix world and appreciate it even with wrong assumption
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20:28<FreeWill>instead of being in front of a wall of fix things
20:28<TCW>FreeWill, huh?
20:29<FreeWill>and hating that
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20:29<TCW>I absolutely don't get your point :)
20:30<FreeWill>I know
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20:30<FreeWill>his first impression can lead to the best or the worse
20:31<TCW>What may his first impression be exactly?
20:31<TCW>What my be the best or the worst?
20:32<FreeWill>a simple and working installation can give him hope
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20:32<TCW>how does that answer any of my questions? :)
20:32<FreeWill>whereas a difficult installation by fixing all thing...
20:33<FreeWill>for hours or days
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20:33<TCW>Hours or even days to fix a boot issue?!
20:34<FreeWill>yes it's possible!
20:34<FreeWill>not necessary at full time
20:34<TCW>only rarly, only if really weird bugs arise
20:35<TCW>so rarely I would not consider it at all as an "option"
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20:35<FreeWill>I see that
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20:35<FreeWill>new hardware could lead to a hell installation
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20:35<brlancer>Where is it specified who signed the sum files for iso files?
20:36<FreeWill>specially new unsupported hardware
20:36<eightyeight>i have a boot issue that has lastet days, and still remains unsolved
20:36<eightyeight>but, it's in vmware, so it's a tad different
20:37<eightyeight>gets stuck at "loading initial ramdisk..." never progresses beyond that
20:38<eightyeight>seems that it hard locks
20:38<twb>!woody sources.list
20:38<TCW>I've seen all sorts of boot trouble. Some because of broken hardware, some due to misconfiguration, some because of bugs, but up to now no issues that took more than a few minutes to at least understand the problem, fixing may be as fast as understanding or not. But at least it is not like poking in the dark for ages.
20:38<dpkg>methinks woody sources.list is "deb woody main contrib non-free", "deb woody/updates main contrib non-free" and "deb woody/non-US main contrib non-free"
20:38<twb>...doesn't work for me :-(
20:39<TCW>eightyeight, what does you nick mean?
20:39<eightyeight>i play the piano
20:40<TCW>I don't, so what does it mean? :)
20:40<sney`>88 keys
20:40<TCW>88 keys?
20:40<FreeWill>TCW: you known a windows addicted user rarely learnt to use his brain instead of the mouse
20:40<sney`>good thing it didn't mean heil hitler
20:40<TCW>Ah, I see
20:40<eightyeight>there are 88 keys on a standard piano
20:40<gsimmons>twb: No good? I'll try here.
20:40<sney`>I think i rarely learnt to use my brain to decipher half of what FreeWill says
20:41<sney`>it's like a big pile of words
20:41<twb>gsimmons: woody updates works, and sarge works, but woody doesn't, AFAICT
20:41<twb>gsimmons: I can pastebin the full transcript if you like
20:41<gsimmons>twb: If you could, thanks.
20:41<TCW>sney`¸that were EXACTLY my thoughts (considering 88 / hh and FreeWills words) :)
20:41<eightyeight>the bosendorfer imperial grand has 97 keys, but i was called "88" and "88 keys" through school, due to my piano competitions
20:43<eightyeight>i been told, over and over, about 'hh'. i find it rather disconcerting that people attribute 88 to heil hitler, but don't recognize as well that 8 is a lucky number in china, or the number of keys on a piano
20:43<twb>An unusually cogitative nickname.
20:43<twb>gsimmons: (sources.list and apt-get update)
20:44<twb>Maybe the ricer squid instance at work is fucked? Lemme comment it out .
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20:44<eightyeight>i'm aso a mathematician. 88 is a primative semiperfect, refactorable, hexadecagonal and untouchable number
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20:44<TCW>eightyeight, I am a german guy, so 88 as hh as heil hitler is a fairly fast assumption that happens in my brain :)
20:44<eightyeight>which are interesting qualities
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20:44<FreeWill>TCW: rather than giving me lessons to help try to be more helpfull next time ;-)
20:45<eightyeight>it's also a palidrome
20:45<twb>Wasn't the proxy
20:45<TCW>eightyeight, and it is a fact that some nazi folks use 88 as a code with exactly the meaning we pointed out
20:45<eightyeight>i know
20:45<twb>TCW: we can't help what nazis do
20:45<eightyeight>i'm very aware of that fact. i've been told over, and over, and over, and over
20:45<twb>Anyway, Godwins'. Next topic, please.
20:46<TCW>FreeWill, I was just not there yet
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20:46<FreeWill>TCW: that what I mean by being more helpfull...
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20:47<TCW>FreeWill, ok it was absolutely my fault, apologies :)
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20:48<gsimmons>twb: Uh, Woody doesn't have amd64 (unofficial support in Sarge, official since Etch).
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20:48<eightyeight>does anyone know how to get past the frozen "loading initial ramdisk..." on boot? it's completely locked. bootking the kernel into "safe mode" or into a completely different kernel doesn't get past that point either
20:48<twb>gsimmons: oh!
20:48<sney`>that's a question probably best asked of whoever made your VM
20:48<sney`>be it vmware, or virtualbox, etc
20:48<twb>gsimmons: I guess I need to get pdebulding, then
20:49<FreeWill>TCW: I'm sure you will have an opporturnity to do better than "not being there"
20:49<sney`>because odds are it's a "hardware" problem if none of the other options worked
20:49<TCW>eightyeight, no idea about vmware, but in general, missing drivers / vmware support?
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20:50<eightyeight>TCW: hmm. i guess i'll have to boot into resuce mode for that
20:50<TCW>eightyeight, for what?
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20:50<eightyeight>installing the drivers, if any are missing
20:51<sney`>yep, just like on a regular system, boot the installer, chroot in and install what you need
20:51<sney`>if that is indeed the problem
20:51<TCW>eightyeight, as sney` did point out, best ask vmware guys
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21:27<Mish->Is there a good (web based) historical performance monitoring tool for Linux? (CPU, Disk I/O, etc)
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21:33<dpkg>munin is a information graphing system for multiple systems based on rrd. See and FE.
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21:33<valdyn>Mish-: ^^
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21:36<mybonnieliesinashallowgrave>howdy folks
21:36<twb>FSVO performance monitoring = pretty graphs
21:40<twb>Does rrd support animated SVG/AJAX-based graphs yet? They're sexy.
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21:46<knoppix_>Hello all
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21:55<Quique1982>hi, I need some help with a Debian Lenny that i´ve just installed
21:56<Quique1982>is there anyone there that can give me a hand?
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21:59<gsimmons>Quique1982: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
22:00<Quique1982>i´ve just installed Debain Lenny
22:00<Quique1982>after booting the gnome or kde desktop starts..}
22:01<Quique1982>adn the only thing i see is the lcd message frequency out of range
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22:01<Quique1982>i´ve read bunch of forums and couldn´t solve it yet
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22:07<SubZero>Quique1982 probably something with LCD refresh rate, default should be 60 hz
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22:08<Quique1982>exactly...but how can i change the gnome refresh rate config?
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22:10<Quique1982>and set it to default....cause i´ve just installed it and it starts at a higer frequency
22:11<twb>Quique1982: could you use UTF-8 and/or ASCII quotes?
22:11<twb>\264 is an ugly apostrophe.
22:12<Quique1982>ok sorry
22:12<Quique1982>i'll try
22:12<twb>It's not your fault my IRC client is unforgiving about legacy encodings :-)
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22:14<Quique1982>ok, sorry, have to go...i'll come back tomorrow
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22:31<rijo>hi guys
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22:31<rijo>trying to sort out my synaptics touchpad
22:31<rijo>tapping works but not scrolling
22:31<rijo>running squeeze w/nvidia
22:32<rijo>i noticed there was no section for it in xorg.conf
22:32<rijo>is there a different place to config it now?
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22:35<rijo>did i come at a bad time?
22:36<abrotman>rijo: gsynaptics
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22:36<abrotman>rijo: or use "X -configure" to generate an xorg.conf .. then edit it to your liking
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22:37<rijo>i tried that and get an error saying to add Option "SHMConfig" "true" to xorg.conf
22:37<abrotman>man synaptics ?
22:38<rijo>i added a "InputDevice" section for the touchpad and included that line and i still get the same error as if the section is ignored
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22:40<rijo> xorg.conf
22:41<abrotman>i think i saw someone yesterday saying the shmconfig was broken ..
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23:03<jsubl2>what do i need to add to squeeze to have empathy support yahoo and google talk
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23:09<snogglethorpe>google talk at least seems pretty standard
23:09<snogglethorpe>it uses jabber protocol
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23:15<harry_>hay vida en este planeta
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23:21<opticon>anyone around i can ask quick question about proftpd on debian?
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23:22<sney`>just ask and maybe someone will know
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23:24<opticon>well i was wondering about account management with virtual server like is their away to make accounts that can be used for ftp only that dont exist in debian
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23:25<opticon>dumb question i guess but was just wondering im glad it works at all
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23:31<henrik>hi, l have a problem, l have install "eeebuntu" and installed apache2. but when l reboot my computer my /var/log/apache2 folder is gone, so l most make the folder everytime after l have reboot. it is the same whid /var/log/apt, any one know how to fix that.. ?
23:32<henrik>if l dont make the folder, apache2 will not start..
23:35<opticon>i have proftpd setup on debian on a 100mb network yet when transferring files to it speed appears to top out at around 256kb is that normal?
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23:39<samaira>good morning. how do i add support for special characters, eg. ä. the folder name contains the character and folder is shown with lock symbol. how do i overcome this ?
23:40<opticon>nevermind i see speed was capped at 256k
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23:42<rijo>still ain't workin
23:42<sney`>samaira: if a folder is shown with a lock symbol it is probably read-only. if you can see the special character then you already have support for it
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23:44<samaira>sney | thank u. but i am not able to find folder and file permissions through command line.
23:44<rijo> i modded xorg.conf with all the synaptics stuff i think i should need and still no scrolling
23:45<gsimmons>henrik: Eeebuntu is not supported here. A support forum is available at
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23:48<henrik>gsimmons, i know. but u maby know why my /var/log/apache2 is gone after rebooting. anyway :) tanx for the help anyway
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23:50<hypyrbole>I already am able to get a usb wlan stick using the rt73 drivers to work perfectly. I use the binaries from If I get another usb stick using the same rt73 chipset, will THAT stick work using the SAME drivers? Is that the theory for drivers in debian?
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23:55<hypyrbole>I already am able to get a usb wlan stick using the rt73 drivers to work perfectly. I use the binaries from If I get another usb stick from another manufacturer using the same rt73 chipset, will THAT stick work using the SAME drivers? Is that the theory for drivers in debian?
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23:55<hypyrbole>The two usb sticks show as the same driver at
23:56<gsimmons>hypyrbole: You should be using the in-tree rt73usb driver, the rt73-* packages were removed post-Lenny to resolve Debian bug #563432. The enhanced legacy driver (rt73) is no longer maintained.
23:56<sney`>hypyrbole: but yes, if you have 2 pieces of identical hardware then they use the same drivers
23:57<hypyrbole>sorry sney one stick is asus, the other is d-link. both use the same drivers at
23:58<hypyrbole>I have the asus working perfectly for 9 months.
23:58<sney`>ok if they have the same chip then they are the same
23:58<sney`>it doesn't matter what it says on the plastic
23:58<hypyrbole>that's good enough for me, I figured only the insides matter.
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