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---Logopened Wed Feb 03 00:00:00 2010
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00:00<twb>jaan: but for a conventional journalled filesystem, fsck is pretty useless, and it'll slow down boot time dramatically for a typical (say, 1TB) system.
00:00<jaan>twb | u mean gedit /etc/rc.local/forcefsck
00:00<twb>jaan: no.
00:01<twb>jaan: you should be using sudoedit, not running some cockamamie graphical editor directly as root.
00:01<jaan>twb | how do i give the command ? please guide me. i am newbie.
00:01<twb>Sorry, I don't have time to babysit newbies
00:03<jaan>twb | cd /etc/rc.local & touch /forcefsck. are the commands good.
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00:14<amol112>sney, i am just testing how to make suspend and resume .data is stored but still i am not able to resume
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00:15<amol112>cat /proc/cmdline is root=/dev/sda15 ro pci=nommconf iommu=calgary splash vga=791 quiet
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00:20<locsmif>I
00:21<locsmif>Í've tried all the tools. iwatch, fspy, etc
00:21<sney`>*all* the tools?
00:21<locsmif>I'm beginning to believe it's imposible...
00:21<locsmif>sney`: enough tools
00:21<locsmif>four or so
00:21<locsmif>atop, iwatch, fspy, iostat, lost track
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00:40<twb>amol112: isn't it just resume=/dev/sda5 or whatever your swap partition is?
00:40<twb>amol112: I'm assuming you're talking about suspend *to disk*, not suspend to ram.
00:41<twb>amol112: also, note that if you're booting a different OS between suspending to disk and resuming, that other OS might overwrite your swap partition
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01:13<cahoot>!test
01:13<dpkg>Test failed.
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01:33<geckos>Debian is System 5 or BSD like?
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01:35<dondelelcaro>geckos: sysV
01:35<dondelelcaro>geckos: though, honestly, you can use file-rc or similar if you want somethign different
01:35<geckos>dondelelcaro, ty
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01:39<geckos>dondelelcaro, file-rc is the greater difference between sysV and BSD like linux distrs. ?
01:42<dondelelcaro>geckos: there are lots of differences, but that's one of them
01:43<dondelelcaro>geckos: Debian by default uses SysV, but you can use file-rc or similar if you want. There's also versions of Debian which use BSD kernels ontop of GNU userlands
01:44<twb>Does file-rc obliged users to replace all the daemon's init scripts by hand, as cinit/minit do?
01:45<twb>I always assumed it did, and thus wasn't worth my time
01:51<geckos>about dvd-rw drivers.. I'm getting mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0 for every medium
01:52<geckos>is it broken?
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02:38<amol112>twb,sorry i was not at place.i am testing suspend functionality i.e. resume from ram. /dev/sda5 is my swap partition
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03:09<jmm>hi.
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03:37<meglaw_>i cant read that
03:37<simonrvn>try utf-8 characters
03:37<@Ganneff>!ru
03:37<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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04:20<cozminsky>hello all
04:23<cozminsky>a bit of advice: if packaging a java servlet, which also needed some modifications to tomcat configuration, would you divert the /etc/tomcat6/server.xml (for instance) and put your own in, or modify the existing config in postinst of your package?
04:24<cozminsky>and I think that some of the config is going to have to be generated from a template and questions from debconf
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04:24<babilen>!mentors
04:24<dpkg>methinks mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
04:25<babilen>cozminsky: And you shouldn't change the configuration - but ask mentors about the best way to handle this.
04:25<cozminsky>babilen, These packages are never going to be uploaded to debian, they're non-free and not redistributable
04:26<cozminsky>they're just for ease of deployment/configuration
04:26<babilen>cozminsky: Then you are free to do whatever you see fit.
04:28<cozminsky>I realize, that's why it was advice, which do you think would be more maintainable?
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04:31<babilen>I think it is a bad idea to change the configuration in a postinst script. But IANADD and am not sure about the best way to handle this. You might want to include your include additional java servlet configuration in a seperate configuration file and include that file somehow.
04:34<cozminsky>unfortunately configuration is often in xml or a property file that can't be broken up or overridden, but you're right, that would be preferable
04:35<babilen>cozminsky: I would still ask #mentors - There might be a package in the repos which could serve as an example ...
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04:36<themill>Tools like ucf or Config::Model might help (but I've obviously not been following...)
04:36<babilen>cozminsky: Or have a look at some of the tomcat6-* packages and see how they deal with this problem
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04:37<babilen>right - ucf might be the tool you are looking for
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04:37<themill>I don't know how well it handles things like XML though since it's just a dumb merge tool. Config::Model knows the actual semantics of the config and the syntax in which it should be written.
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04:37<cozminsky>I was going to use ucf
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04:48<Coburn|Win32>Hey people
04:48<babilen>welcome
04:48<Coburn|Win32>I'm experience problems with Xorg
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04:48<babilen>Please elaborate ;-)
04:48<Coburn|Win32>babilen: do you remember Coburn|MacBook? If so, that's me ;)
04:48<Coburn|Win32>Okay,
04:49<Coburn|Win32>Well, Xorg is spitting the dummy. I have got the libs installed and X install in the right places.
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04:49<babilen>'spitting the dummy' ?
04:50<Coburn|Win32>It's complaining that it can't find like libXmm.so.6 when the said file DOES exist in /usr/X11R6/lib
04:51<babilen>hmm, which debian version is that? How did you install Xorg? Can you paste applicable log files? (--> /var/log/Xorg.0.log for example) or output?
04:51<Coburn|Win32>But, it will start the x server to the screen with the "X" cursor.
04:52<babilen>So, X is actually working, but the login manager is not starting?
04:52<Coburn|Win32>In other words, it's not looking in the right place for the XLibs.
04:52<Coburn|Win32>I'm running Debian 4.0 Etch.
04:52<Coburn|Win32>This is running on a old computer without a working LAN connection.
04:53<Coburn|Win32>I don't have a login manager working, I wanted to check if X worked after I copied Xorg and said Xlibs from a existing Debian Woody installation
04:55<Coburn|Win32>It's a embedded system, you see - I've modded it to start X and then jwm
04:55<Coburn|Win32>but I'll get a dump of /var/log/Xorg*, I'll be right back - I need to change monitors.
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04:57<babilen>alright ...
04:58<Coburn|Win32>okay
04:58<Coburn|Win32>back
04:58<Coburn|Win32>I run Xinit
04:59<Coburn|Win32>and I get xinit: error loading shared libs : libXmuu.so.1 no such file
04:59<Coburn|Win32>running plain X and I get
05:00<Coburn|Win32>xkb: error loading shared libs: libXent.so.6 no such file
05:00<Coburn|Win32>YET
05:00<Coburn|Win32>They are both in /usr/bin/X11R6/lib
05:00<cozminsky>what does ldd on them say?
05:00<Coburn|Win32>ldd?
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05:01<cozminsky> ldd - print shared library dependencies
05:02<babilen>Coburn|Win32: libxmuu1 is installed?
05:03<Coburn|Win32>what would I run them?
05:03<Coburn|Win32>Sorry
05:03<Coburn|Win32>I mean, what files would I run with that command
05:03<Coburn|Win32>like ldd X ?
05:03<Coburn|Win32>Yeah, the file is in /usr/bin/X11R6/lib/
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05:04<babilen>how did you install X ?
05:04<Coburn|Win32>Whoa, settle down debhelper
05:04<cozminsky>ldd /path/to/libXmuu.so.1
05:05<Coburn|Win32>Like I said, I copied them from old debian woody distro to respective folders on etch
05:05<Coburn|Win32>cozminsky: Will try that
05:05<babilen>Coburn|Win32: why don't you install the xserver-xorg package?
05:06<Coburn|Win32>Diskspace is critical on this system that's having Xorg woes. It's running off a 512MB Compact Flash Card
05:06<Coburn|Win32>and I can't afford to download all the drivers and whatnot
05:07<Coburn|Win32>Unless xserver-xorg only installs the very base to get X running...
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05:08<jm_>would probably be easier to run tinyx
05:11<Coburn|Win32>tinyx?
05:11<Coburn|Win32>OMG!
05:11<Coburn|Win32>I got it working!
05:11<Coburn|Win32>Just did a cp -l /usr/X11R6/lib/* /lib
05:11<Coburn|Win32>and then Xinit
05:12<Coburn|Win32>and bingo, X booted up and loaded Xterm
05:12<Coburn|Win32>:D
05:12<Coburn|Win32>jm_: elaborate on 'tinyx', please
05:13<cozminsky>so you ld.so.conf doesn't check for things in /usr/X11R6/lib/
05:18<jm_>Coburn|Win32: it's part of xorg nowadays
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05:30<Coburn|Win32>jm_: How do you install tinyx ? xorg-tinyx ?
05:32<Zhila>Coburn|Win32: also, if you are very careful, the only drivers Xorg requires is one input, one output, and the evdev (which itself can satisfy the input driver requirement), the only problem is that, by default, xserver-xorg tries to install all input and output drivers, and each driver tries to (eventually) install xserver-xorg, this makes it impossible to install via apt-get, requiring either aptitude, or some sort of manual install
05:33<jm_>Coburn|Win32: I'm affraid it's not packaged for Debian, not sure abotu emdebian
05:34<Coburn|Win32>Zhila: Noted, thanks.
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05:58<amol112>hi my desktop system is getting suspend after running echo -n mem > /sys/power/state and getting syslog entry Back to C! but even pressing power button or keyboard key it is not resuming always require to restart system
05:58<amol112>facing problem in resuming from ram
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06:23<simonrvn>!test
06:23<dpkg>Test failed.
06:23<simonrvn>ravenbird: test
06:23<ravenbird>Yes, simonrvn, you're still online.
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07:22<pipe>Argh. Does anyone know how to find out who is holding a lock on a device? I've tried with fuser and lsof but can't find it.
07:22<pipe>Currently something is preventing me from closing a device with cryptsetup, but I can't figure out why.
07:27<vrglcsm>pipe, might be still mounted?
07:28<pipe>Nope. It's been used as a physical volume for an LVM volume group, so it never contained a filesystem.
07:28<pipe>And I have destroyed the volume group in question, but because of something locking the device, I can not wipe the PV header.
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07:31<vrglcsm>recheck the steps used on the creation and undo them in reverse order.
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07:33<pipe>Already tried that, I'm afraid
07:35<vrglcsm>try pvremove -ff
07:37<pipe>Didn't help, still the same message about "Can't open /dev/block/254:4 exclusively". Also tried with -d, but no extra output.
07:39<vrglcsm>can you paste the steps used on creation? use paste.debian.net
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07:47<pipe>These are the steps I've been using to create this: http://paste.debian.net/58560/
07:47<pipe>I've used two identical volumes, one worked fine to remove, the other is locked by something.
07:48<pipe>And I've used LVM for years, in much more complex settings than this
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07:48<vrglcsm>gimme a sec
07:49<pipe>I did some benchmarking on that volume with KVM and virtio, I have a feeling that's why it's still locked.
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07:52<vrglcsm>i might be wrong, but try to vgremove vgfs again...
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07:54<pipe>'Volume group "vgfs" not found', somewhat expected :/
07:55<pipe>I could of course just restart the server, but my problem is a little more general I think. Putting lvm and such aside, is there really no way to find out who is holding a lock?
07:56<vrglcsm>it should be... but ihave no idea... i suppose you did check all the running processes
07:57<pipe>Yeah, I did, I've killed off almost everything I've found
07:57<jm_>if you mean locking with fcntl() then you can query who is holding the lock
07:58<jm_>but reading back I guess that's not it
08:01<pipe>Probably not.
08:01<pipe>I suspect some issue with KVM here, and that it's some kernel thread holding a lock
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08:02<cesurasean>how do i install ioncube loader on squeeze? can't seem to get it to work. no ouput to logs or any error message, just kills apache all together.
08:03<cesurasean>i did however get ioncube 5.3 loaded, but the files arent working. i need 5.2 apparently.
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08:05<cesurasean>Warning: dl() [function.dl]: Dynamically loaded extensions aren't enabled in /home/simplewebhosting/public_html/billing/ioncube/ioncube-loader-helper.php on line 411
08:07<pipe>Sounds a bit ioncube specific, not that I know what ioncube is
08:07<cesurasean>nvm. looks like enable_dl is turned off
08:08<cesurasean>Warning: dl() [function.dl]: Temporary module name should contain only filename in /home/s/public_html/billing/ioncube/ioncube-loader-helper.php on line 411
08:08<cesurasean>anyone know why its telling me that now?
08:08<vrglcsm>pipe, this is quite odd and above my knowledge. unless you instructed some process to use /dev/mapper/pv-sdb1, nothing should'v lock it. on the other hand, the error should'v say something about /dev/mapper/pv-sdb1 not about /dev/block/254:4. on the third hand, don't mind me. i'm just a newbie... :">
08:09<pipe>vrglcsm: Thanks for the effort anyway, I gave up :P
08:09<pipe>rebooted.
08:09<pipe>The windows way
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08:40<domzinique>in which directory should i keep my custom installed applications?
08:41<locklace>domzinique: /usr/local is traditional
08:41<domzinique>ty locklace
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08:43<zeld>hi all :)
08:44<bittin>hi
08:44<zeld>i've a problem with Xorg and synaptics
08:44<zeld>after upgrading the scroll not work and xorg log say me this >>> http://dpaste.com/154008/
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08:49<zeld>no anyone had this problem with xorg?
08:49<jm_>preinit returned NULL is quite common, but I don't think that is a fatal error
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08:52<domzinique>how do I permanently edit my PATH environment variable?
08:54<locklace>domzinique: set it in your shell startup file
08:55<pipe>.bashrc normally
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08:57<domzinique>okay, so I'm adding the line "PATH=/usr/local/eclipse:$PATH" will it be good?
08:57<domzinique>okay, so I'm adding the line "PATH=/usr/local/eclipse:$PATH" to ~/.bashrc. Will it be good?
08:58<jm_>!bashrc
08:58<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. ask me about <bash eternal history>.
08:59<pipe>domzinique: use "${PATH}" instead of $PATH
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09:00<domzinique>what's the difference pipe?
09:00<pipe>domzinique: I don't know ;)
09:00<domzinique>lol...
09:01<gdb>There is no difference. The use of {} simply allows the shell to differentiate between your variable and plain text if you run them up together.
09:01<pipe>They seem to have made some changes in .bashrc, .profile etc
09:01<pipe>between current stable and squeeze
09:01<gdb>ie; $numberapples and ${number}apples are different. $number and ${number} are the same.
09:01<domzinique>okay. Now I wish to add the application to the Application menu in GNOME. How do I do that?
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09:02<gdb>System > Preferences > Main Menu
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09:02<domzinique>never mind... i got it... ty gdb anyways... linux is interesting
09:03<babilen>domzinique: I typically create a file ~/.bash_env and specify all environment variables in there (PATH=$PATH:/whatever), export them (export PATH) and source that file in my .bashrc (source ~/.bash_env). That keeps stuff a little more organised.
09:05<domzinique>ty babilen...
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09:06<domzinique>so if i want all the users to have access to my program, i gotta edit the /etc/profile!!
09:06<themill>domzinique: a symlink into /usr/local/bin might be easier
09:06<domzinique>!symlink
09:06<dpkg>Symlink rule of thumb / The link must be at the end / The filename comes first, or ln -sn target linkname
09:07<babilen>domzinique: You might also want to check if the directory you are trying to add to the PATH exists on that host (if [ -d /new/path/dir ] ; then PATH=/new/dir:$PATH fi)
09:10<domzinique>babilen: does that mean "if [ -d dir ]" search for the directory in the current user? i can use it in batch files i guess...
09:11<babilen>domzinique: No, "-d /path/to/dir" is true if "/path/to/dir" exists and is a directory. It has nothing to do with the value of $HOME ..
09:12<babilen>domzinique: You could do "if [ -d $HOME/what/you/want/to/search/for ] ; .... "
09:13<domzinique>babilen... gotit!! now is there a way to check if the user already has the dir in the PATH?
09:13<domzinique>okay... got it.. so "-d $HOME/my/dir/" will return true if he has the directory in his PATH...
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09:14<domzinique>hmm.. i think the best way to ensure that the directory is there in the PATH for all users is by editing the /etc/profile file...
09:14<babilen>no, just it is true IFF the directory exists
09:15<babilen>domzinique: Just install the software to /usr/local ..
09:16<domzinique>babilen... it's creating a directory and getting installed inside it... i guess I have options... to create a symlink, install the script in /usr/local or edit the /etc/profile
09:17<pipe>symlink is cleanest IMHO
09:17<babilen>I recommend doing either (i) or (ii) - and prefer (i)
09:17<babilen>But that really depends on the software .. What are we talking about there anyway?
09:17<pipe>eclipse
09:17<domzinique>yea. eclipse.
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09:18<babilen>ah ... missed that. Sorry :-D
09:19<domzinique>so I extracted the contents in /usr/local . Executables are extracted in /usr/local/eclipse, and now I have to add a symlink to /usr/local/eclipse/eclipse to /usr/local !! i guess dpkg can help me with the command...
09:20<domzinique>"ln -sn /usr/local/eclipse/eclipse /usr/local/eclipse" if i interpreted it right!!
09:20<ml|> /usr/local/bin
09:20<domzinique>oh yea...
09:20<domzinique>"ln -sn /usr/local/eclipse/eclipse /usr/local/bin/eclipse" if i interpreted it right!!
09:21<babilen>yeah
09:22<ml|>why not just place it to /usr/local/bin/
09:22<domzinique>it's got plenty of other files as well ml|
09:23<domzinique>ty guys, that was my first linux experiment (experience).
09:23<babilen>\o/
09:24<babilen>!congratulate domzinique
09:24<dpkg>Woohoo domzinique, you did it!
09:24<domzinique>lol...
09:24<domzinique>!ty
09:24<dpkg>methinks ty is thank you, or cobb -- a baseball player, or the company that creates Beanie Babies(TM)
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09:25<pipe>!loom
09:25<pipe>:(
09:25<domzinique>lol
09:29<locklace>!tell domzinique about stow
09:31<domzinique>don't understand so much, but will remember stow for the future...
09:31<ml|>stow or checkinstall are good for installing stuff you compile; to imstall and remove easily
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09:32<domzinique>okay! But eclipse was only a mere unzip. Do they work for them too?
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09:34<domzinique>i guess stow does...
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10:59<sdk>If I'm using netcat to output <stuff> to a TCP port, do I need to have netcat on the other end to read it?
11:00<@Ganneff>no. you need to have $something listening to it
11:02<sdk>Ganneff: so, if I have nc -l -p 5555 < /var/log/syslog on one end, all my web developer has to do is point his script to 12.24.34.45:5555 to retrieve the output?
11:02<@Ganneff>yes, but why one would want to do it this way i dont get.
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11:03<sdk>I need to set up a web page on a server I do not control so mgmt can look at the log files of servers in near-realtime.
11:03<@Ganneff>aua.
11:03<pipe>sensitive information might show up in syslog, sending it in cleartext may or may not be a problem
11:03<@Ganneff>and then look in some tools like (brrr) php-syslog (or however it was called)
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11:04<@Ganneff>you really want to make this secure. and protect the transmission by ssl, the viewing webpage also, and logins too
11:04<sdk>pipe: thanks for the heads up, for sure.
11:04<@Ganneff>(so donmt use php, its insecure)
11:04<sdk>Right now I just need proof of concept.
11:04<pipe>syslog-ng might also be useful, it's more flexible with sending logs
11:04<pipe>ok
11:05<@Ganneff>but there are multiple tools to store logfiles in a way you can easily point a web gui crap on, like storage in *sql
11:05<sdk>But, yes, ssh will be eventually in teh works.
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11:06<themill>doesn't rsyslog do all this for you already?
11:06<@Ganneff>it can do *sql storage, yes.
11:06<themill>and tcp transport with ssl
11:06<sdk>Dunno, hence my questions. :)
11:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 309] by debhelper
11:07<themill>http://wiki.debian.org/Rsyslog
11:08<zeld>anyone had this problem with xorg and synaptics or mouse USB >> http://dpaste.com/154170/ ?
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11:09<zeld>:|
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11:15<zeld>maybe depend from kernel?
11:15<zeld>there are too many bug report :|
11:16<zeld>without an answer :|
11:17<zeld>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23567491
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11:17<zeld>only this that say about a downgrade of xorg
11:17<zeld>:|
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11:21<BiF>Åñòü òóò êòî?
11:21<@Ganneff>!ru
11:21<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
11:21<BiF>thx
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11:23<zeld>:D
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11:42<allu2>hello, i want to move my system on other hd, how i configure grub to the other hd so that it works if i remove the current hd completely?
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12:15<MC732>Could anyone clarify this error for me? I've been googling for days and don't know what it means or how to fix it. Trying to compile compat-wireless on squeeze
12:15<MC732>make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686'
12:15<MC732> Building modules, stage 2.
12:15<MC732> MODPOST 84 modules
12:15<MC732>Can't open file
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12:16<MC732>well aren't we cautious
12:16<themill>dpkg: tell MC732 about paste
12:17<MC732>thank you.
12:19<MC732>Could anyone clarify this error for me? I've been googling for days and don't know what it means or how to fix it. Trying to compile compat-wireless on squeeze http://paste.debian.net/58586
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12:32<NoReflex>Does anyone know a tool that would allow me to "publish" the stats for a machine to a webpage (cpu load, system load, disk usage, etc)? The webpage should look similarly to the bandwidth graph in DD-WRT - once every 5 seconds would probably be enough.
12:33<NoReflex>I tried munin but the updates are slow and not refreshed on the webpage automatically; also there's no need for stats logging - only live viewing...something similar to Gnome's System Monitor on "X-enabled" systems
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12:34<OdyX>NoReflex: munin updates every 5 minutes by default
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12:37<NoReflex>OdyX: the idea behind munin (one collector node and many "slave" nodes) is perfect IMHO...but how it stores and displays the data could be better; AFAIK it only updates the pictures for each sensor from a node - why not log the data and make the website interactive; a LIVE "plugin" would be usefull too
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12:37<OdyX>"live" would mean a huge CPU charge…
12:37<OdyX>well… "huge" is probably exagerated
12:38<NoReflex>OdyX: Live in the idea that even 5 second updates would suffice - but the page should pull the new data and update the content itself - not by using the refresh button from the browser
12:39<OdyX>the page refreshes itself :)
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12:39<NoReflex>OdyX: I didn't know that the munin page refreshes itself...but when those updates are 5 minutes apart is kinda hard to notice
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12:41<NoReflex>OdyX: did you see DD-WRT's bandwidth monitor? : http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/files/bandwidth_116.jpg
12:41<OdyX>yes I did
12:41<NoReflex>what I need is something like that
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12:43<NoReflex>also the live page should only request data when it's displayed in the browser
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12:44<NoReflex>The reason is that one developer needs to "measure" the impact of some queries on the DB server but the doesn't want to learn Linux (ssh, top)
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13:23<trroulouloiu>hi dpkg-reconfigure console-data is obsolete now ?
13:25<enyc>hrrm did that set font or something?
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13:27<trroulouloiu>keymap
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13:28<trroulouloiu>i have always use that but in /etc/init.d/keymap.sh if setupcon from console-setup is present then it exits
13:28<trroulouloiu>so change is not persistent
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13:45<bja>Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64_2.6.26-21_amd64.debE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) ??
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14:03<oznt>hi guys
14:04<oznt>can someone help me with a little sed -i thing ? I don't understand why it behaves differently inside a shell script
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14:09<piero>How can I know if a GtkWidget is visible? (using pygtk)
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14:10<babilen>piero: try #pygtk @ irc.gnome.org
14:11<piero>thanks babilen
14:11<babilen>piero: good luck
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14:14<jhenri>is there a special channel for questions about older versions of debian?
14:14<petemc>no
14:15<petemc>you can try your luck here, expect to be told to upgrade a few times tho..
14:16<jhenri>ok, thanks.
14:16<jhenri>is the netinstall option still supported for debian 3.1?
14:17<kop>jhenri: You need to find a mirror with the old packages. Why would you want to install an older version?
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14:17<petemc>sarge packages are on archive.debian.org
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14:18<jhenri>kop: i need to set up a backup for a production server that uses 3.1
14:18<jhenri>petemc: thanks
14:18<kop>!tell jhenri about aptitude clone
14:18<kop>jhenri: ^^ fyi
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14:19<jhenri>kop: thanks, that should be really helpful
14:20<kop>jhenri: You could also just restore a backup, if it's really going to be a backup machine.
14:21<kop>jhenri: Naturally, care must be taken regarding plugging the backup into a network and such.
14:22<jhenri>kop: is there a specific function to backup an entire machine in debian? the backups we have are just of the data associated with the application running on the server, not of the whole server
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14:24<kop>jhenri: People use tar and rsync, or even scp (!), possibly in conjunction with lvm snapshots and things like database dumps where the application frobs the "disk" directly.
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14:25<kop>jhenri: Just do each filesystem. (But do watch out for databases, they and apps like them have to maintain internal consistency in the same way that lvm snapshots do for filesystems.)
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14:26<jhenri>kop: thanks, this should help
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14:26<Malicia>hi :)
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14:26<kop>jhenri: I often pipe tar output over ssh to a tar extraction on another machine. You may want to boot off of cd on one box or both, so you're not clobbering stuff that's being used.
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14:29<trroulouloiu>hi in case anybody need that info ; "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" has been replaced by a config in /etc/default/console-setup
14:29<trroulouloiu>pfff have been loking for that for hours ...........
14:30<jhenri>kop: i'm not familiar with lvm snapshots, are they essentially snapshots of an entire filesystem? google said something about virtual machines but I don't think we're running any vm stuff
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14:32<kop>jhenri: You must be running lvm to use them. They then "freeze" the state of the filesystem as files close, and let other applications go on opening and modifying without changing the frozen "partition". Then when everything has closed you've a "snapshot" of the fs as if every program shut down. (I think that's how it works. I could be wrong.)
14:33<kop>jhenri: It's a subsitute for shutting everything down before making a backup to ensure that application data is consistent. Like all such schemes YMMV depending on applications. (I.e. databases still arn't consistent in the general case.)
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14:34<jhenri>kop: thanks, i'll have a look at this
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14:35<kop>jhenri: You probably are not using lvm for your partitions so it's too late....
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14:54<ALexK>hallo
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15:02<codi>hello
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15:02<codi>hola
15:02<codi>jjejjejejejejejeejjejjjejejeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
15:02<codi>de dodne soys
15:02<sney`>!es
15:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:03<kmap>codi: If you have a question related to Debian, please ask here. Random noise is not appreciated.
15:03<codi>no
15:03<codi>quiiero
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15:03<codi>i dont like
15:03<codi>i
15:03<codi>tontoporglñ
15:03<codi>sgsh
15:03<codi>jjejeje
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15:04<codi>soy de españa
15:04<codi>de valencia
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15:04<codi>y tengo 21 años
15:04<codi> jejjeje
15:04<lkcl>codi: #debian-es por favor
15:04<sney`>congratulations
15:04<codi>soys muy chungos
15:04<codi>no
15:04-!-mode/#debian [+q codi!*@*] by weasel
15:04<sney`>ah, so you are awake
15:04<kmap>!op codi seems to need attention.
15:04<kmap>!ops codi seems to need attention.
15:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: kmap complains about: codi seems to need attention.
15:05<sney`>kmap lags
15:05<kmap>Oh, too late.
15:05<kmap>Thanks weasel.
15:05<kmap>:-P
15:05<@weasel>kmap: should we silence you too?
15:05*sney` votes yes
15:05<kmap>I'll handle myself, thanks
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15:07<AlexMax>damnit. note to self, don't name a checkinstall package after a package you already have installed from apt
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15:10<AlexMax>especially if it's python
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15:25<dag>salut, j'essaye d'install squeeze en raid1 sur du sata et l'install de grub ne passe pas, c'est sensé fonctionner? qqun a une piste a me soumettre? ou vaut il mieux que je repasse sur lenny?
15:25<locklace>!fr
15:25<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
15:26<dag>sorry, wrong channel
15:27<dag>hi, is it possible to install squeeze on sata raid1? someone to help?
15:27<dag>installer fails on grub install, is it supposed to work? or am i doing something wrong?
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15:43<andycap>who are all of these people
15:44<kop>dag: IIRC you don't install squeeze. You install lenny and upgrade. I could be wrong.
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15:48<dag>kop, ok i will try that thx
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15:52<dag>kop, do you know if the problem is that squeeze installs grub2?
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15:55<kop>dag: I don't know. Just recall hearing that's how to do it.
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16:00<dag>kop, ok
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16:00<MC732>I'm having a modpost error trying to compile compat-wireless, anyone mind taking a look? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=49161
16:01<MC732>hope posting a forum thread in irc isn't a faux pas O.o
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16:06<sda>hi all
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16:07<efort>trying to setup multiheaded debian desktop. what options exist for config? is xinerama the best way to do this? other options?
16:07<sda>question: I have a crypt (ubuntu) external drive from my friend, i want connect it to my debian CLI server. How can I do?
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16:17<sda_>question: I have a crypt (ubuntu) external drive from my friend, i want connect it to my debian CLI server. How can I do?
16:18<zeus>hi all, i'd like to "totally remove" mysql-server . i previously installed it by aptitude so i typed to delete it aptitude purge mysql-server. The aptitude manpage told me that "purge" remove also configuration files. But changing dir to /var/lib i still see a mysql directory.
16:18<zeus>sda_: use cryptfs
16:18<Lethalman>zeus, that's not a configuration directory
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16:22<zeus>Lethalman: opss ! you're right ! . Ok i feel paranoid today. how can i totally remove mysql? I need this to start a completely new mysql-server and i do not want anymore mysql related file. I'll do then a aptitude install mysql-server to have a totally fresh installation
16:23<Lethalman>zeus, removing the respective /var/lib directory is enough ;)
16:24<Hydroxide>yep
16:24<Hydroxide>ww
16:25<zeus>Lethalman: thank you man ! (everytime you reply me you fix my problems !... can i call you "my doctor" ?)
16:25<Lethalman>zeus, only if you're a nurse :P
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16:27<zeus>Lethalman: well ... not exactly a nurse ... (in real life i'm surgeon) :-D
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16:28<zeus>Lethalman: thank you again !
16:29<Lethalman>zeus, you're welcome
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16:50<AzaToth>I know I can use dd to create large empty files, but say I don't care about the content, then for a ext3 fs, is it possible to just create inodes and be done with it?
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16:51<maxb>Is there any recent estimate a squeeze release date?
16:53<locklace>AzaToth: dd with the seek option is the right way to do it
16:53<locklace>!tell maxb about wwsr
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16:53<kubyz>yes maxb, more or less at the same time when ubuntu 10.10 is lanunched
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16:55<AzaToth>locklace: thanks
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16:56<maxb>locklace: Thanks but that email from October I already know about - I was hoping for some confirmation of whether things were on track for that or not
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17:02<ojo>hey everyone, I just changed from ubuntu to debian AMD 64 bit, and I want to watch youtube :) What to do, the flashplayer from adobe or gnash? And do you know some problems that I will encounter?
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17:07<a30s37>is there possibility to install make-3.80 on debian lenny?
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17:08<a30s37>i need to install oracle11g on lenny, and installer doesnt see any version of make
17:08<a30s37>in my system is installed make-3.81
17:08<babilen>a30s37: can't you compile it yourself and call it directly?
17:09<a30s37>babilen, make-3.0 or oracle11g?
17:09<babilen>AFAICT there is no package for 3.80 available. You might find one in the archives though, but i doubt that you want to install it and replace the system default
17:09<babilen>make
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17:10<monkey_d_luffy>I have upgraded my kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32, but somewhere along the way my iptables rules (that were being used to make a small home gateway) stopped working... any hints on where I should start looking? The small script that is run at boot time: http://pastebin.com/d472ed9f6
17:10<monkey_d_luffy>Note that I haven't changed a thing in the script. And it worked fine before upgrading the system packages.
17:10<a30s37>the problem is, i thing, in fact, that installer doesnt see any version of make package. It writes something like: need: 3.80, actual: missing
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17:12<babilen>a30s37: I know nothing about oracle installations and given that there is no official support for Oracle on Debian you will probably not receive any support from them
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17:12<babilen>i assume that you can call make without problem on the console, correct?
17:12<a30s37>correct
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17:13<babilen>I guess you have to try to get some support from/for Oracle .. Is the installer's source code available? Does it expect make to be installed in a certain location?
17:14<a30s37>i dont know. so, i will try to find any oracle channel
17:14<a30s37>and see what dey say
17:14<a30s37>thanx for help
17:14<babilen>But you might want to try to compile 3.80 and adjust your PATH. You can download it from: http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/make/make-3.80.tar.bz2
17:15<a30s37>if oracle channel fails, i will try this method ;)
17:15<babilen>Maybe the installer is checking that make==3.80 is installed and not make>=3.80
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17:15<babilen>good luck ... You might also want to consider using a supported distribution
17:16<a30s37>babilen, maybe, only, where to find this conditions between packages?
17:16<a30s37>people dont have the same problems
17:16<babilen>I could tell you that for Debian packages - no idea about the oracle installer :-D
17:16<a30s37>;) thanx, greatings!
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17:55<StyXman_>anyone else experiencing cpu at 100% for seconds while repainting any window in sid, intel driver?
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17:56<locklace>i'm really impressed by how much the intel driver has sucked over the past year
17:57<locklace>i've seen people show up here with every conceivable manner of total intel driver meltdown
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17:59<luhhujbb>hey
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18:02<StyXman_>locklace: strange thin, it started doing it today, but I hadn't updated for a couple of days
18:02<StyXman_>now is omcpletely consistent
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18:02<locklace>well, check the bts and file a new bug if there isn't already a matching one there
18:02<StyXman_>seems like not :(
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18:05<taxus>nabend
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18:12<StyXman_>according to ubuntuforums, it's related to an old kernel, which I have
18:12<StyXman_>let's try rebooting
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18:13<adb>StyXman_, uname -r , says ?
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18:18<StyXman_>adb: it was a 2.6.26 from stable, I think. now with 2.6.32 it works
18:19<adb>sweet ..
18:20<StyXman_>yeah, but I had some lockups and I was testing an old kernel just in case
18:21<StyXman_>maybe if I pull the one in testing?
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18:40<prahal>hi any gitweb user on unstable ? it looks like latest update to the package requires changes to the apache conf if not using http://localhost/gitweb uri but it is not documented
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18:41<prahal>ie http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497809 fixed http://localhost/gitweb/ working out of the box but break http://git.server.example.com/
18:41<slush>prahal: using unstable comes with certain risks
18:42<prahal>I do not disagree :) this is really funny as a reply ...
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18:42<prahal>I mean code is broken so let s keep it broken :D
18:42<prahal>ie I am not complaining it is broken ... just asking if anyone found a fix
18:43<locklace>prahal: that's what the bts is for
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18:48<prahal>rude ... I am helping people there for a long time . I bet they would have been happy to learn this was channel was not a place to share issues
18:48<slush>prahal: I didnt looked very into it but if there is a global alias /gitweb, it should work for any domain the apache server is listening to in the first place (unless other configurations are in place)
18:49<slush>prahal: you are speaking about unstable, things are very sketchy on that level .. any help on that is very variable
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18:51<noflash>/c/c
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18:52<prahal>the /gitweb/ is the default . Though nobody uses it (git.debian.org does the same as me ... it will be broken by the latest change)
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18:53<slush>a subdomain is something different, than just an alias
18:54<slush>its the same thing if you have munin or phpmyadmin for example
18:54<slush>munin.example.org doesnt work
18:54<slush>example.org/munin does\
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19:04<mrgefara>guys
19:04<mrgefara>how can i make my own chanel?
19:04<slush>type /join mychannel
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19:04<koollman>mrgefara: /join #yourownchannel
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19:16<monkey_d_luffy>I have upgraded my kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32, but somewhere along the way something stopped working. Listing iptables rules (used for redirecting/forwarding traffic) shows that they are still there... so I have no idea where the problem is.
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19:21<zeus_>can anyone tell how can i stop LVM please ?
19:22<zeus_>vgrename tell me i still have active LVs
19:23<locklace>vgchange -aln
19:23<zeus_>locklace: thank you !
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19:26<zeus_>locklace: vgrename has worked ! and to reactivate ? vgchange -ay ?
19:26<locklace>yes
19:28<prahal>monkey_d_luffy, /etc/sysctl.conf ? ip forwarding option maybe (I do not understand your issue clearlly)
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19:30<prahal>slush, agreed . Still the example provided with git-core to use a ssubdomain is not working anymore since the change mentionned (the on that fixed the alias)
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19:31<vvas>hm
19:31<vvas>can anyone take a quick look at #566518?
19:32<vvas>i'm trying to figure out why the package that fixed it has not entered unstable yet
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19:39<prahal>vvas, it has
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19:41<llimeht>,versions nvidia-vdpau-driver --arch amd64
19:41<judd>nvidia-vdpau-driver -- sid/non-free: 190.53-2
19:41<llimeht>,versions nvidia-vdpau-driver --arch i386
19:41<judd>nvidia-vdpau-driver -- sid/non-free: 190.53-1
19:42<vvas>yeah, that's what i just noticed
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19:45<Jeniczek>Hi there. Just wanted to ask you. Is there some official paid support service by Debian proffesionals available?
19:45<locklace>Jeniczek: http://www.debian.org/consultants/
19:45<vvas>so if i get this correctly
19:45<vvas>the maintainer did a source+amd64 upload
19:45<vvas>so the i386 version is produced by the buildds, which failed for some reason?
19:45*vvas scratches head
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19:46<vvas>hm, the flooding detection needs tighter timeouts
19:47<chattr>vvas: don't use <enter> for punctuation
19:48<Jeniczek>locklace nice, I hope theyll be able to help me.. thanks
19:49<prahal>vvas, I am on i386
19:50<vvas>prahal: yes, and? you've got version 190.53-2?
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19:50<prahal>apt-cache policy show it (but I do not have nvidia hw)
19:50<prahal>so did not install them
19:50<zeus_>can anyone help me with aptitude install mysql-server ? it give me errors http://debian.pastebin.com/d2f5ae181
19:51<prahal>ousp apt-cache policy nvidia-glx shows this version
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19:52<klando>zeus_: you might just 'touch /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf'
19:52<someguy_au>Hiya. I recently saw a forum post saying you can use samba shares with inotify to remotely shutdown a machine but I can't find any information regarding this, anyone have an idea of how to achieve this?
19:52<klando>or install postgresql
19:52<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: I already enable IP forwarding. See http://pastebin.com/d472ed9f6
19:55<prahal>monkey_d_luffy, have you checked the NIC identifiers have not changed ?
19:55<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: what do you mean?
19:56<prahal>eth2 and eth3
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19:56<monkey_d_luffy>they haven't changed
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19:56<monkey_d_luffy>eth2 is still my external NIC
19:56<monkey_d_luffy>I just ifconfig'ed to check it
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19:58<locklace>someguy_au: sounds silly, but trivial to do if you really want to. install inotify-tools and set whatever hook you want on whatever file you want
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20:03<someguy_au>locklace: is there a better method to remotely shutdown my machine without logging in (I have SSH configured but was looking for a method that doesn't require login, sudo shutdown, insert password, close SSH client)
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20:04<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: do you think it can be related to kernel modules?
20:04<someguy_au>locklace: as in, is there an opposite to Wake on LAN?
20:09<locklace>someguy_au: the basic idea is to set up the script with the desired action on the server (in your case just "shutdown"), and trigger it with a network command
20:09<locklace>someguy_au: the form of the network command can be almost anything and depends on what's convenient for you. if you're running a web or snmp daemon on the server, http/snmp are natural options
20:09<someguy_au>locklace: how do I trigger it? is it possible to place a script on a samba share that only my user has permission to? this is a headless file\media server so I have lighttpd
20:09<locklace>someguy_au: then you can do it with a simple cgi script
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20:09<prahal>monkey_d_luffy, do you hav eanything of relevance in /var/log/syslog ? and do you know if the packets that are not forwarded are not reaching the iptables rules ? (ie they are neither logged as passed through nor rejected)
20:09<someguy_au>locklace: thanks, I'll have a dig
20:09<someguy_au>didn't like the idea of installing all of webmin just for shutdown
20:09<locklace>there worst problem you face is security; any mechanism you use should include appropriate authentication
20:11<locklace>other than that, a cgi to run a command when you hit its url will be like two lines
20:11<zeus_>klando: please help ?? http://debian.pastebin.com/m4d38d65c
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20:12<someguy_au>awesome thanks!
20:12<someguy_au>have a good day mate
20:12<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: the only info I get is this one: http://pastebin.com/d3e4c4768
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20:12<monkey_d_luffy>which is the other computer trying to get an ip adress, I guess
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20:13<monkey_d_luffy>I don't think I have any logging configured on iptables
20:14<zeus_>can any one help ? i got this error after a aptitude install mysql-server. http://debian.pastebin.com/m4d38d65c
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20:15<prahal>monkey_d_luffy, there are counters at least . You could see if there were any traffic to a rule (iptables -t nat -L -v; iptables -L -v)
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20:16<prahal>monkey_d_luffy, but dhcp from the other internal computer to the internal server fails
20:16<prahal>this could be the issue is not forwarding but dhcp configuration
20:16<TCW>zeus_, ls -l /etc/mysql/my.cnf, paste
20:17<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: the FORWARD rule has 0 packets, but the POSTROUTING rule has several packets
20:17<prahal>hum the dhcp server could be another one thus the need for forwarding
20:18<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: but why do I even need dhcp (for the computer behind the gateway) if I've hard-coding the ip addresses?
20:18<zeus_>TCW: no such file ? (btw, i have previously purged the packaged, then rm -r /etc/mysql and then aptitude install mysql-server)
20:19<zeus_>TCW: no such file ! (btw, i have previously purged the packaged, then rm -r /etc/mysql and then aptitude install mysql-server)
20:19<prahal>cause the other computer try to use dhclient
20:20<prahal>but it may be an upgrade issue on the other computer that leaded to it ending up trying dhclient
20:20<TCW>zeus_, 1.) once is enough, I am not blind. 2.) why did you purge 3.) why did you rm -rf /etc/mysql?!
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20:21<prahal>zeus_, have you purge the mysql-common
20:21<prahal>cause it is the one in charge of my.cnf
20:21<prahal>and most thing in /etc/mysql
20:22<zeus_>TCW: 1) i have changed a ? in ! anyway excuse ! 2) i need to completely remove mysql this is the reason of the rm -r /etc/mysql
20:22<prahal>zeus_, then you need to purge mysql-common
20:23<prahal>else removing /etc/mysql will lead to issues when you try reinstall mysql-server
20:23<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: I also harcode the ip address on the other computer and I set the only rule there: route add default gw $GATEWAY_IP $SECONDARY_PC_NIC
20:24<TCW>zeus_, 1.) acknowledged 2.) then see prahal, purge all maysql packages correctly 3.) only delete files / folders in /etc/ when you know what you are doing
20:24<TCW>mysql even
20:24<zeus_>prahal: purging mysql-common .... aptitude wants to remove apache2 !!!
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20:26<monkey_d_luffy>I will restart the computer again... will be back in a couple of minutes
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20:29<prahal>zeus_, yes I just checked apache2 via apache2.2-bin->libaprutil1-dbd-mysql -> libmysqlclientXX
20:29<llimeht>!confmiss
20:29<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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20:30<prahal>thus you could either purge with --force-depends then reinstall mysql-common . This is one way to fix this
20:31<prahal>ok I learned a better way :)
20:31<TCW>Btw. I am almost sure the purging was a bogus thing
20:31<prahal>thanks llimeht
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20:31<llimeht>:)
20:31<TCW>at least if he wants to reinstall it afterwards anyway
20:31<prahal>that s the only I had known and used though pretty dangerous . This force-confmiss is neat
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20:33<zkline>Having some serious troubles getting nvidia-glx installed on this Squeeze box and wondered if anybody might be able to help. aptitude complains about unresolvable dependency conflicts.
20:33<locklace>!tell zkline about nvidia squeeze
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20:37<zeus_>prahal: excuse my silence. i had purged apache. then reinstalled apache and mysql ... it seems to work !
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20:37<prahal>purge addict ... junkie :)
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20:38<TCW>zeus_, and why did you purge it and reinstalled it right afterwards? What was your issue?
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20:40<zeus_>TCW: i 'm on a testing machine ... an i'm trying to configure postfix virtual with different db schemas ...
20:40<zeus_>... so i want to be shure to not have any part of the previous db ...
20:42<zeus_>... do not tell me ... i think mine (rm -r /etc/mysql) was really a piggy work ? Do you agree ?
20:43<TCW>zeus_, yes I agree :)
20:43<prahal>ok found a fix for the example of gitweb :)
20:43<prahal>report in process
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20:44<zkline>Thanks for the help.
20:44<zeus_>TCW: excuse me for my piggy work !! :-D
20:45<zkline>Any reason I have to go through these hoops? It seems a bit silly.
20:45<RedLance>I've got an older laptop, that has a broken CD-ROM...I'd like to use it basically as a netbook, till I get a real one. It's got a floppy drive, and USB, and I just got it to boot Damn Samll Linux using the combo of floppy and USB...how can I get Xubuntu or the netbook remix on it? It does also have wired ethernet.
20:46<TCW>zeus_, a purge and reinstall may bring you nothing, the dbs are stored in /var
20:46<zeus_>RedLance: netboot via tftp
20:47<RedLance>zeus_, Tried that earlier...no luck, although now I can't remember why
20:47<zeus_>TCW: i know ... i also rmmed /var/lib/mysql !! (do not blame me ! i'll do by myself) :-)
20:47<abrotman>RedLance: ask #ubunt on irc.freenode.net
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20:47<abrotman>erm .. #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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20:48<RedLance>abrotman, Oh, ok. Sorry, thought I was in the Ubuntu channel...
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20:48<abrotman>yeah .. i can see how that would be confusing ...
20:49<zeus_>RedLance: install debian etch and then switch to ubuntu. btw follow abrotman tips
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21:11<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: I guess the upgrade from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32 really messed iptables. Other rules that I had implemented also stopped working, namely for bittorrent.
21:12<prahal>monkey_d_luffy, do you have the modules loaded ?
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21:14<prahal>I only use ipv6 firewall (as ipv4 is handled by a black box) so hard to tell the name of the modules . You should have something like ip_tables, xt_conntrack and such
21:14<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: I have some modules loaded. The question is: do I have them all? http://pastebin.com/d6ba8e7d5
21:14<prahal>there was a big change a few monthes ago those xt_* are used by ip_tables modules .
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21:15<prahal>I wonder if those requires changes in userspace too (how did you ended up with 2.6.32 . Do you made a mix of distributions , backports or else ?
21:16<prahal>no seems you have at least the basic ones needed for nat and such
21:16<monkey_d_luffy>I manually upgraded some packages. Since 2.6.32 will be squeeze kernel, I went for it. I have a testing system, with some unstable packages as well.
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21:20<prahal>maybe iptables version is too old for the kernel
21:21<prahal>which version do you have ,
21:21<prahal>?
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21:23<prahal>hum if you have testing system I ll be able to check (I asked because xtables is a new compiled policy .... thus the compilter for the rules may matter
21:23<prahal>ok same as on sid
21:24<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: I just noticed that iptables is an independent package o_o I had though it was all part of the kernel. I have just upgraded it now. Any easy way to re-start it without loosing the rules?
21:25<prahal>just apply your rules it is not a daemon
21:27<monkey_d_luffy>sorry, what do you mean by apply my rules? My rules are split into two places: as a rules file loaded on "pre-up" and on a root script executed at startup
21:28<monkey_d_luffy>do I have to flush iptables and do that manually?
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21:30<prahal>you could apply the roott script then bring the interface down and up
21:30<prahal>via ifconfig ethX down , ifconfig ethX up
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21:35<monkey_d_luffy>this is stupid... ifdown eth3 worked, but ifdown eth2 gives me: ifdown: interface eth2 not configured
21:36<prahal>then it may explain a few things ... not sure yet but it could be that the interface 2 was not getting up
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21:37<prahal>properly
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21:39<monkey_d_luffy>that may be... but for the record, eth2 is where my cable modem is connected to (I don't have eth0 or eth1)
21:40<smv>if I install sid using debootstrap will I have to cp /dev/MAKEDEV into the /path/to/chroot/dev and run it after chroot?
21:40<prahal>you mean you are using it currently ?
21:40<monkey_d_luffy>yes, and it allows me to chat with you :)
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21:41<prahal>ok so good thing it did nto get down . still weird
21:41<monkey_d_luffy>ifup eth3 ==> Ignoring unknown interface eth3=eth3.
21:41<monkey_d_luffy>*sigh*
21:41<monkey_d_luffy>reboot time?
21:41<prahal>nope
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21:42<prahal>where do you define your ip statically ? /etc/network/interfaces ?
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21:42<abrotman>yes
21:42<prahal>?
21:42<abrotman>bleh .. nevermind :)
21:43<prahal>:)
21:43<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: no, that is what my root script does
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21:44<monkey_d_luffy>file /etc/network/interfaces is weird... since it has 2 lines there about eth3, one of them mentioning dhcp
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21:45<prahal>you should comment it if you do not use it
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21:45<prahal>else it will conflict with your own method
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21:47<monkey_d_luffy>so that leaves interfaces with 3 lines: 2 lines for the loop device and 1 line for loading iptables rules on "pre-up"
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21:48<prahal>? no I misunderstand previously . I though you were using ifconfig or "ip" tool in your script to manage your interfaces
21:48<prahal>afaik pre-up scripts are meant to work with well not ifconfig sorry
21:49<prahal>well something that did not involve /etc/network/interfaces . Ifconfig does. but the pre-up only works with ifconfig setup
21:51<prahal>thus if you use /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/script you should define your ip and replace dhcp by static in /etc/network/interfaces
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21:51<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: yes I am. I have this line and some iptables rules for forwarding: ifconfig $PRIMARY_PC_INT_NIC $GATEWAY_IP netmask 255.255.255.0 up (the NIC is question is the one that connects to the other computer)
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21:53<prahal>ok uncommon to me but maybe replacing dhcp by static will help
21:53<monkey_d_luffy>it was a nightmare to get it working at the time!!!!!
21:53<monkey_d_luffy>ok
21:54<monkey_d_luffy>prahal: so is this ok? http://pastebin.com/d34b7f652
21:54<prahal>at least it will get rid of the dhclient error ... not a big win . Though who knows if it was not racy
21:55<prahal>I wonder if static accept a section with only a pre-up and no address, netmask and gateway though
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21:56<prahal>yes . For visibility the pre-up should be after the "static" line and indented a bit
21:57<monkey_d_luffy>as for correctness the eth2 should also be there but with dhcp instead of static, correct?
21:57<monkey_d_luffy>*and for
21:57<prahal>as pre-up is always part of an iface section (even if placed way beyond and not indented it will be used for the former iface
21:58<prahal>not necessarily if you don't need up or down script you can manage it in your script
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21:59<prahal>even in need of up/down script you could place your script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ but to apply it only to eth3 you would need to learn the variables available when they are loaded
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22:00<prahal>then you would not need eth3 in interfaces file either
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22:00<prahal>as static without an address may not be suppported you maay have to do that in the end
22:00<prahal>or have the ip defined in two places (your script and interfaces file)
22:02<prahal>ok the variable that is of interest is IFACE (man interfaces)
22:02<monkey_d_luffy>I will try ifdown both interfaces and flush all rules, then ifup and execute root script
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22:03<prahal>well as of what I understood of the script you should not need to bother about eth2 it looks ok
22:04<prahal>the first weird thing I detect is this dhcp line against your script static definition
22:05<prahal>there may be an other issue at stack . You seemed to have an ip assigned in ifconfig eth3 so ...
22:05<monkey_d_luffy>brb
22:05<monkey_d_luffy>lol
22:06<monkey_d_luffy>it still says to me that eth2 is not configured! o_O
22:06<monkey_d_luffy>it's getting wayyyyyyy past my bedtime. I guess I'll continue this tomorrow. thanks for the help
22:07<prahal>that s fine . You do the config in your script . so ifconfig eth2 down only does not work because /etc/network/interfaces does not tell anything about it
22:07<monkey_d_luffy>but it does
22:07<prahal>ok me too by the way :) time to rest . Next day will start way too early
22:07<monkey_d_luffy>allow-hotplug eth2 iface eth2 inet dhcp
22:07<monkey_d_luffy>isn't this enough?
22:07<prahal>it is enough . this is split on two lines ?
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22:08<monkey_d_luffy>is it for eth3, why not for eth2 *scratches head*
22:08<monkey_d_luffy>yes
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22:08<prahal>oh ifup eth2 and ifdown eth2
22:10<prahal>hum it is really late there ... I am getting confusing . Maybe time to rest
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22:11<Bad_Little_Duck>como faço pra instalar o vlc no meu linux insigne?
22:11<abrotman>!ES
22:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:12<abrotman>i thikn that's spanish ?
22:12<monkey_d_luffy>just re-started and flushed interfaces... still having the same problems.... will try again tomorrow. thanks for the help!
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22:34<numa65536>Hello all...
22:34<numa65536>I use Debian Lenny with standard kernel 2.6.26
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22:35<numa65536>I would like to tune my ramdisk size on boot time
22:36<numa65536>I've add in /boot/grub/menu.lst the line # altoptions=(with Huge Ramdisk) ramdisk_size=2097152
22:36<numa65536>The line in correctly read at boot time :
22:37<numa65536>[ 0.000000] Kernel command line: root=UUID=370f9ccb-68de-4a18-b232-70c0b4572067 ro ramdisk_size=2097152
22:37<numa65536>But the size of the ramdisk says as default value.
22:37<numa65536>Any idea ?
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23:20<kanobe>Say, does anyone know of a channel where I can ask Linux development questions?
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23:23<RedLance>kanobe, Do you have a particular development environment you are interested in?
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23:24<kanobe>Mm, not in particular. I just wanted to ask some questions about the ptrace system call.
23:25<kanobe>But I figure that is pretty specific knowledge
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23:51<Mr_Queue>I'm having a problem jumping between wireless at home and wireless on campus. It seems that when I attempt to connect on campus resolv.conf is not being rewritten with the correct information. A reboot fixes this but there must be a better way.
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23:52<Mr_Queue>I have tried restarting networking and wicd. Looking at the man page i suggests that a dhcp client is responsible for assigning values to that file, however nothing is running in /etc/init.d/ to be stopped/restarted. Is this a bug in wicd?
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