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---Logopened Sat Feb 06 00:00:18 2010
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00:31<Guest974>I am running a postfix server. I'd like to be able to allow my users to do something like: How can I configure postfix to do something like this?
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00:34<Guest974>yes I know how to handel aliaes if I create each and every one. I want my users to be able to create their own.
00:35<Guest974>I've done my googling. thanks. The best I could find is a very old freshmeat project called spamdam. hasent been worked on in years.
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00:43<Guest974>how can I configure postfix to do something similar to
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00:46<cesurasean>OK: Pass Phrase Dialog successful.
00:46<cesurasean> failed!
00:46<cesurasean>why dont apache restart? nothing in error logs...
00:47<cesurasean>[Fri Feb 05 23:45:49 2010] [error] Unable to configure RSA server private key
00:47<cesurasean>[Fri Feb 05 23:45:49 2010] [error] SSL Library Error: 185073780 error:0B080074:x509 certificate routines:X509_check_private_key:key values mismatch
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00:55<cesurasean>can someone please assist me?
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00:56<Guest974>recreate your SSL keys
00:57<Guest974>or double check your configuration files are pointing to the correct key file.
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01:05<gat>Guest698: do .forward files in users' home directories not do what you want?
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01:06<gat>aliases(5) says " Lines in per-user .forward files have the same syntax as the right-hand side of aliases(5) entries."
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01:12<cesurasean>im getting a failed restart of apache, but nothing in error log. any help?
01:13<cesurasean>is there a way to make apache debug more, to tell me exact problem?
01:14<jmarsden>cesurasean: Stop it completely and then start it (not a restart), and see if that gives you any clues ?
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01:15<cesurasean>nope. still no errors.
01:16<cesurasean>all im getting is failed:
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01:17<cesurasean>rebooted, still failed with no error messages...
01:19<cesurasean>any clue how to remedy this problem?
01:21<jmarsden>cesurasean: You can try stepping through the /etc/init.d/apache2 script to see where in it the failure happens...
01:22<cesurasean>jmarsden, how do i go about completing that task?
01:22<cesurasean>im pretty sure it's ssl related.
01:24<jmarsden>Confirm it: OK, then confirm that: try removing all SSL vhosts from your config and start apache -- does it then start?
01:25<enderst>cesurasean: change apache logging at about line 182 in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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01:28<cesurasean>this is the output of debug function
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01:29<jmarsden>cesurasean: line1 looks like have have a corrupt/incorrect SSL key file somewhere. Maybe put the vhosts back one by one and see which one causes the problem?
01:30<cesurasean>jmarsden, thx
01:30<jmarsden>cesurasean: You're welcome.
01:31<enderst>i had the same issue with ssl kill my server. server 200+ domains and about 12 are ssl. one domain was all it took
01:31<enderst>finding log info was rough
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01:36<Delta>Anyone here?
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01:58<cesurasean>ok, i removed SOME enteries, and now i am getting a better response. this is the error message -
01:58<cesurasean>thats with debugging turned of for apache2
01:59<cesurasean>will someone please come save the day and help! i need a break, im a small bussiness owner who is struggling to become susscessful.
01:59<cesurasean>mjl isnt here tonight?
01:59<cesurasean>or sneay'?
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02:00<cesurasean>Delta, what do you need?
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02:01<cesurasean>please state your question, and someone will find time in their daily lives to assist you accordingly.
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02:33<fossiiil>how do i make all my tcp ports open?
02:34<cahoot>define open
02:35<cahoot>by default nothing is 'closed'
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02:40<fossiiil>NuD: i cannot find project page, will you help?
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02:41<fossiiil>cahoot: of course...what i mean open is prot that reply with SYN+ACK after initial SYN ;-)
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02:45<jmarsden>fossiiil: You could write some little utility program that would listen on every port, if you really wanted to do that. This would make all ports "open"; but is there a point to this? Ports are open because there is a listener listening on them. A listener that does something when you connect to it and speak its protocol... SMTP, POP3, IMAP, HTTP, whatever. What is the value of 65000+ open ports that do nothing useful?
02:46<fossiiil>jmarsden: to slow down attackers? to monitor new attacks?
02:49<jmarsden>If you are building a honeypot, there are existing tools to do that. Like honeyd. I think you'd be better off using those than creating your own, since if you knew enough to create your own you'd probably not be asking how to "make all my tcp ports open" :)
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03:12<fossiiil>jmarsden: ok :-)
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03:28<tj>hi all
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03:29<cesurasean>can someone please tell me how to debug my server better?
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03:33<babilen>cesurasean: What is the problem?
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03:45<cesurasean>still working on it
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05:08<geophoenix>hello everyone , where can i find some information on how to use Debian for NAS
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05:12<cahoot> - like this? geophoenix
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05:18<geophoenix>is it better to use FreeNAS that is made for NAS or use Debian ?
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05:35<somatiq>any ideas, why mixers don't control sound?
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05:41<cahoot>somatiq: accessing wrong device?
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05:42<somatiq>where are mixer settings?
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05:45<cahoot>use alsamixer
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06:02<somatiq>alsamixer doesn't change anything
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06:03<ozgurubuntu>hi everybody, i'm from turkey
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06:06<masky>hello every people
06:06<cahoot>somatiq: make sure alsamixer accesses the correct device
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06:07<somatiq>how can i detect correct?
06:07<cahoot>somatiq: cat /proca/asound/cards - only one?
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06:08<somatiq>Intel ICH5 with CMI9761A+ at irq 17
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06:09<somatiq>alsamixer accsesses it, and it's the only
06:09<cahoot>somatiq: (as root) run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 (and test sound with speaker-test -t wav -c2)
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06:22<somatiq>test works, mixer not
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06:40<EmleyMoor>I no longer get any notifier icons in gnome desktop (e.g. updates available, another computer is controlling this desktop...) - why would that be?
06:40<somatiq>nautilus down?
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06:41<EmleyMoor>somatiq: Not as far as I know...
06:42<rm_>notification-daemon shows them, afaik
06:42<rm_>do you have it installed?
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06:42<EmleyMoor>rm_: Yes
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06:45<rm>check if it's running, maybe it crashed
06:45<rm>tbh I am not sure how notifications are handled in gnome, I use xfce
06:45<rm>(sorry, got to go now)
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06:46<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... after a reinstall they're back but in an unsuitable position (far top left, icons off screen)
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06:52<adis>in debian with kde4 what are the recommended devicekit or hal ??
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07:02<mancho>what should i use to share the /var/cache/apt/archives between 2 PCs?
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07:04<EmleyMoor>Even in a new session, notifications are in the wrong place. How do I adjust the top bar?
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07:07<dpkg>apt-cacher is, like, a caching proxy designed specifically for use by Apt. at, or a nifty tool, or see <apt-proxy>, or ask me about <apt-cacher-ng>
07:07<simonrvn>mancho: ^^^
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07:08<EmleyMoor>How can I adjust the positions of things on the top panel of the gnome desktop?
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07:09<aptituz>anybody ever tried to installed Debian on a PS3 and failed when trying to configure the network with an error message like this:
07:09<aptituz>"ptom: symbol lookup error: ptom: undefined symbol: _savegpr_19
07:09<aptituz>if yes, is there any way to solve this?
07:10<Meths>EmleyMoor: right-click on them to tell them not to be fixed (can't remember exact terminology), then move.
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07:13<EmleyMoor>Meths: Thanks, found it
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07:17<EmleyMoor>All sorted on this machine now :-)
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07:34<coriollon>Upgrade from Etch to Lenny remotely sshSetting up libuuid1 (1.41.3-1) ...
07:34<coriollon>Could not connect to database
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07:36<coriollon>on Upgrade from Etch to Lenny remotely ssh
07:36<coriollon>Setting up libuuid1 (1.41.3-1) ...
07:36<coriollon>Could not connect to database
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07:40<coriollon>Can anybody help my upgrade from etch to lenny?
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07:41<stevecotton>ah, wrong trigger word
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07:42<seeS>anyone know of an easy way of working out the differences between 2 tar files?
07:43<melmothX>seeS: maybe unpack them in a rev-control system
07:44<seeS>yeah, i was hoping for something like debdiff
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07:47<coriollon>libuuid1 package can't upgrade. Just waitfor connection and all. Anyone know how continue upgrade?
07:48<abrotman>stevecotton: that's the corrrect one the -> is broken in the channel
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07:51<stevecotton>abrotman: thanks. coriollon: sorry, can't help you
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07:55<abrotman>coriollon: what if you hit ctrl-c ?
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07:58<coriollon>abrotman: just only abort
07:58<coriollon>in log:
07:58<coriollon>dpkg: error processing libuuid1 (--configure):
07:58<coriollon> subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)
07:58<dpkg>coriollon: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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07:58<abrotman>coriollon: stop pasting in here
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08:00<coriollon>abrotman: yes, my fault
08:00<pwet>i'm in the process to verify the freshly downloaded dvd update for lenny 5.04 (for amd64), and the sha1sums file give 4 different checksum for that iso, i'm a bit confused
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08:01<pwet>both SHA1SUMS and SHA1SUMS.update give the same for lines for that single dvd update
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08:05<pwet>should i post a link to one of the offending files?
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08:10<gsimmons>pwet: Your issue has been reported ( The actual SHA1 message digest for debian-update-5.0.4-amd64-DVD-1.iso is 0808557fc3a9fdf569e679f092294b358e560817.
08:11<pwet>sorry, and thanks !
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08:59<Pasha>åñòü êòî ðóññêèé
08:59<Pasha>ÿ íîâå÷åê â ëèíóêñå
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08:59<Pasha>òóò ñèñòåìó ïîìîéìó ñíåñ
08:59<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:00<mancho>what else do i need to use apt-cacher, it says 404 Not Found
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09:01<lbt>so I have a problem with a pkg - I installed the -dbg package but how do I use that with gdb ?
09:01<monkey_d_luffy>How do I get java plugin working on amd64? I have files: and which I manually simlinked to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but java applets still don't work on iceweasel
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09:03<|Pasha|>åñòü êòî ïî ðóññêè ãîâîðèò
09:03<locklace>!tell |Pasha| about ru
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09:05<mancho>apt-cacher should install/create something in /var/www ?
09:06<mancho>because /var/www/apt-cacher doesn't exist
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09:06<khades>|Pasha|: me speakin
09:06<lbt>mancho: I found apt-cacher-ng a *lot* more reliable
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09:07<|Pasha|>Who there is who on Russian he speaks
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09:08<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:09<khades>that's lame
09:09<khades>i've been on debian-russian once
09:09<khades>it's empty
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09:10<mancho>people from ibiza! people from ibiza! XD
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09:10<mancho>im old ):
09:10<khades>how old?
09:11<mancho>like Jesus
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09:16<mancho>lbt: What else do i need for apt-cacher? i have changed the clients sources.list and 404 Not Found
09:16<smhar>I had installed apache2, php, mysql-server on my squeeze system, and by default the system created all the required folders and files in /etc/apache2 and /var/www including and index.html saying it works. and it did work when pointing the browser to I tried setting up virtualhosts nd missed up the config, so I uninstalled the apache. but there were still left over folders and files on those 2 directories that I had removed manually. and my problems
09:16<smhar> started
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09:17<lbt>in apt.conf : Acquire::http::Proxy "http://aptcache.domain:3142";
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09:17<mancho>smhar: check out if the apache config has the phplib up
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09:18<smhar>I reinstalled apache manually but had to do a apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 apache2.2-common and a2enmod manually. but I still have /var/www empty and apache cannot connect to but rather to
09:19<mancho>smhar: thereis some http way to see the state of apache
09:19<smhar>mancho, I want to remove them
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09:20<smhar>mancho, I want to remove apache and reinstall it again from scratch that it configure itself fully like it did origionally, but how?
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09:21<orjan>Since the lsat couples of updates in squeeze i get lookups in X, this error appears "drm:i915_gem_execbuf *ERROR* Execbuf while wedged
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09:22<smhar>mancho, nothing in grep php /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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09:24<mancho>lbt: it works!
09:24<lbt>mancho: :)
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09:26<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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09:26<mancho>lbt: NO!
09:26<monkey_d_luffy>doesn't anyone here hava a amd64 system with the java plugin working?
09:27<mancho>http://[::ffff:]:3142/apt-cacher-ng/ 403 Forbidden file type or location
09:27<abrotman>monkey_d_luffy: lots of people
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09:28<monkey_d_luffy>then... How do I get java plugin working on amd64? I have files: and which I manually simlinked to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins but java applets still don't work on iceweasel
09:28<monkey_d_luffy>what am I missing?
09:29<monkey_d_luffy>update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun ?
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09:30<monkey_d_luffy>I get No alternatives for (among other text)
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09:32<abrotman>monkey_d_luffy: did you install the icedtea plugin ?
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09:33<ml|>could his issue be be do to that java bug?
09:34<ml|>not java ipv6*
09:34<monkey_d_luffy>abrotman: I have, but it didn't work also so I uninstalled it. Should I try installing it again and running update-java-alternatives?
09:34<monkey_d_luffy>so do I need both icedtea6-plugin and
09:34<monkey_d_luffy>sun-java6-plugin - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6
09:34<monkey_d_luffy>root@stardust# a
09:34<monkey_d_luffy> grrrrrrrr
09:35<monkey_d_luffy>so do I need both icedtea6-plugin and sun-java6-plugin ?
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09:37<orjan>Since the last couples of updates in squeeze i get lookups in X, this error appears in syslog "drm:i915_gem_execbuf *ERROR* Execbuf while wedged". Googeling it seems it's problem in kms, is there any workaround not using kms?
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09:39<ml|>orjan: did you check bts? there might be a workaround there, if you did not
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09:41<orjan>hmm in bts, should i search on kernel or X?
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09:43<Zeadar>I got mounting partition prblem. Every time I try to mount it (NTFS partition btw) it asks for the root password. Since I don't have root account I'm giving the user password, which has admin user rights. However it still won't do, get authenticate error...
09:45<monkey_d_luffy>abrotman: I did that. And now when I start iceweasel, instead of the error message I was getting with sun-java6, I get a freeze with icedtea-openjdk
09:46<abrotman>!java ipv6
09:46<dpkg>As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see This currently breaks networking in java, see for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart.
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09:46<orjan>Zeadar: do you have permission on the win partition?
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09:48<monkey_d_luffy>abrotman: THANKS! It's working :) One last question, if I have openjdk installed, is there any reason to have sun-java?
09:49<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
09:50<abrotman>monkey_d_luffy: try it the other way .. no idea
09:50<Zeadar>orjan: Usually, it's my own partition. haven't got this problem before. If the permission happen to have been changed. How can I re-change it?
09:51<monkey_d_luffy>abrotman: sorry, what do you mean by "the other way" ? to remove openjdk and use sun-java6 now that the fix is made to bindv6only.conf ?
09:52<abrotman>try them both!
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09:55<s_i_m>Hi, I am trying to build the nvidia kernel module with m-a for a recent 2.6.32 kernel on sid. It fails. Can anyone look at and tell me who to blame? linux-headers and linux-kbuild packages are installed, of course.
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10:11<bas39>s_i_m: "Can't open perl script "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-1-common/scripts/": No such file or directory"
10:12<s_i_m>bas39, that I understand :) nevermind, i asked on #debian-kernel, they say it got fixed in svn already.
10:12<bas39>ok :)
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10:16<sirjective>uhm .. does anyone know if there will be an fglrx in testing again, or is it gone forever?
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10:20<locsmif>Hi all. Has anybody else noticed KDE hogging more CPU time the last weeks?
10:20<locsmif>Running Debian Unstable
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10:22<locsmif>I've got kdeinit sucking up ~25% all of a sudden
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10:26<abrotman>locklace: #debian-kde ?
10:26<abrotman>uh .. wrong
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10:26<abrotman>locsmif: check #debian-kde or the BTS
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10:26<locsmif_>abrotman: ok
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10:33<smhar>It's been hours and I still do not have apache working.. I tried reinstalling, and purging and reinstalling but still it is not working
10:35<locsmif_>smhar: what does the log say
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10:37<smhar>locsmif_, [error] [client ::1] File does not exist: /htdocs
10:38<locsmif_>smhar: looks like the configuration is borked, and I don't think even purging restores that
10:38<dpkg>[config] to find the name of a CONFIG option from the name of the module, type: find /usr/src/linux/ -name Makefile -exec grep CONFIG {} ; |grep "nameofmodule", or , if you're being pedantic: find /usr/src/linux/ -type f -name Makefile | xargs grep CONFIG | grep modulename
10:38<smhar>locsmif_, so what would restore that?
10:39<dpkg>The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>;
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10:39<abrotman>locsmif_: msg the bot
10:40<locsmif_>abrotman: I did, in between !config and !confmiss ;p
10:40<smhar>locsmif_, I did that but I still have a /var/www totally empty (not even a single index.html as usual) and connecting to local hsot is giving: The requested URL / was not found on this server.
10:41<locsmif_>smhar: you actually did a -force-confmiss?
10:41<locsmif_>because the log shows that Apache is looking for /htdocs
10:42<smhar>locsmif_, I did apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 apache2.2-common
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10:42<locsmif_>smhar: so in sites-available, is there some config there pointing wwwroot to /htdocs ?
10:43<locsmif_>Or is /htdocs relative to wwwroot...
10:44<smhar>locsmif_, sites-available/default says DocumentRoot is /var/www
10:44<locsmif_>Anyways, if the wwwrooit is set up right, just make an index.html containing: <h1>It works!</h1>
10:45<locsmif_>make sure it's owned by www-data
10:45<locsmif_>reload apache2, then refresh
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10:47<Fallacy>What's up
10:47<smhar>locsmif_, did all that. still: The requested URL /index.html was not found on this server.
10:48<locsmif_>Hi fallacy.
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10:48<Fallacy>Can anyone in here help me with so bt4 programs
10:49<locsmif_>smhar: that's nuts
10:50<smhar>and the error.log still complains about the /htdoc
10:50<ml|>Fallacy: /msg dpkg bt4
10:50<locsmif_>smhar: post your configs, and a ls -l of /var/www
10:51<smhar>locsmif_, /var/www is empty of anything other than the index.html that I created
10:51<locsmif_>and a tail of access and error.log
10:52<locsmif_>smhar: sure, but the problem may lie where you think it isn't. Trust me.
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10:52<locsmif_>Just pretend we're both stupid
10:52<smhar>locsmif_, and error.log only shows: [error] [client ::1] File does not exist: /htdocs
10:52<locsmif_>I for one have no difficulty coming across like an idiot
10:53<smhar>locsmif_, I feel like one already
10:54<locsmif_>How many problems in Linux actually boil down to not having a Linux version of filemon.... sigh.
10:55<smhar>what config files you want, other than apache2.conf
10:55<smhar>locsmif_, here it comes: apache2.conf:
10:55<locsmif_>smhar: all in sites-available
10:56<smhar>locsmif_, sites-available/default:
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10:56<smhar>locsmif_, sites-available/ssl:
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10:57<smhar>locsmif_, actually it is called default-ssl
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10:58<smhar>locsmif_, and this may help too, hosts:
10:58<locsmif_>smhar: where does the symlink in sites-enabled point to? Correctly?
10:58<smhar>locsmif_, site-enabled is empty
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10:59<mib_ezgxlmpkygbf>can some one help me out...any time I try to apt-get install anything I get:
10:59<locsmif_>smhar: that explains it
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11:00<smhar>mib_ezgxlmpkygbf, check your /etc/sources.list
11:00<locsmif_>sites-enabled should have a link like 000-default pointing to ../sites-availabe/default or ../sites-available/default-ssl
11:00<smhar>how to get those?
11:01<mib_ezgxlmpkygbf>oh and when I open gedit I get: An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for Text Editor. Some of your configuration settings may not work properly.
11:01<mib_ezgxlmpkygbf>same with gconf-editor
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11:01<locsmif_>smhar: if confmiss doesn't make them, make them yourself with ln
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11:01<smhar>locsmif_, apparently, it did not
11:01<locsmif_>cd /etc/apache2/sites-enabled; ln -s ../sites-available/default-ssl 000-default or so
11:03<locsmif_>smhar: notice how apach2.conf refers to sites-enabled and not sites-available. sites-enabled is an in-between that is supposed to provide you with an easy way to administer virtual hosts via addition/removal of symlinks
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11:04<locsmif_>hi jerezana
11:04<jerezana>como estais
11:04<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:05<jerezana>bay bay
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11:05<locsmif_>smhar: maybe neither a purge nor a confiss rmdir's /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, causing the postinst to skip symlink creation
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11:06<locsmif_>smhar: who knows, from what I can tell, your config still isn't pristine
11:06<adb>bja, any help to get a new password for oftc server ?
11:06<smhar>locsmif_, ok.. I did a ln -s ../sites-available/default-ssl 000-default and restarted apache2 , still /var/www is still empty and nothing in localhost in browser
11:07<smhar>locsmif_, I would love if it is possible to purge everything apache and reinstall a clean one but how? and is it possible
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11:08<locsmif_>smhar: okay, before you do that, I wonder if it's possible to have apache dump to you the config as apache sees it
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11:09<bja>adb: afaik /msg nickserv help
11:09<bja>adb: afaik /msg nickserv help sendpass
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11:09<locsmif_>smhar: apache2ctl
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11:09<adb>bja, i forgot last one .. thanks
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11:10<locsmif_>smhar: apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS
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11:13<sney>where is it defined which NICs get assigned which ethX designations?
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11:17<dpkg>smhar has neutral karma
11:17<smhar>how to add karma?
11:18<smhar>locsmif_, ++
11:19<dpkg>locsmif_ has neutral karma
11:19<sney>sirjective: thanks
11:20<locsmif_>smhar: Apache2's vhost system is a bit testy
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11:26<smhar>dpkg: karma locsmif_
11:26<dpkg>locsmif_ has neutral karma
11:26<smhar>does this thing work?!
11:27<sney>probably not
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11:27<sney>or maybe only certain users can change karma levels
11:27<sney>dpkg is overworked anyway, leave it alone! (also sassy)
11:27<dpkg>sney: I don't know, could you explain it?
11:28<sirjective>dpkg: stand on one leg and touch your nose
11:28<dpkg>sirjective: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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11:29<cold>how do i increase the number of terminals i can use?
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11:30<ml|>screen :)
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11:31<cold>i dont appear to have screen
11:32<cold>i dont have x set up yet :( so i keep switching between ttys with ctrl+alt+function keys
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11:32<cold>but id like more terminals to use. only have about 5 available
11:32<ml|>install screen then
11:32<cold>unfortunately the only browser i can use is lynx :(
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11:33<sney>or elinks or w3m
11:34<abrotman>cold: screen is a package
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11:35<monkey_d_luffy>I have removed the annoying console beep by: echo 'set bell-style none' >> ~/.inputrc But inside aptitude I still get beeps. How do I disable them?
11:36<ml|>cold: /msg dpkg screen
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12:00<InkBottle>Hi, I've got a serious issue upgrading from squeez to sid. It's a problem I've spoken of here, couple of days ago, and that i fixed only with reinstalling: a freeze at "boot>grub>loading initial ram disk"
12:02<InkBottle>Last time I've spent much time on it, with no result at all, not even a hint of what could be happening
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12:05<cold>cool. that worked. thanks
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12:06<cold>ugh. installing this has turned into a headache. i wish stuff could just "work", heh
12:07<cold>whenever i startx the keyboard locks out and nothing displays on the screen. i cant even kill it with ctrl+alt+bckspace. i have to restart the computer.
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12:07<cold>trying to see what on earth could be wrong with my xorg.conf
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12:08<bja>cold: have you tried to switch to tty usinc ctr alt f1?
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12:08<smhar>locsmif_, I followed this guide for virtualhosts:
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12:09<cold>the keyboard completely locks up. i cant even light up numlock
12:09<rodox102>Problem here: when I open synaptic package manager, it says that I have a broken package, which is libmpt8. If I try to reinstall it, I get this error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1.
12:10<smhar>I created folders under /var/www for drupal6 and drupal7 each with htdocs, cgi-bin. logs, I created the required config files under sites-available and created the links in sites-enabled using a2ensite, but
12:10<cold>no display. its just frozen. ctrl+alt+del doesnt even work. have to press restart button on my computer
12:10-!-Flooo`Off is now known as Flooo
12:10<bja>rodox102: check that you have enough space on your partition
12:10<smhar>but strangly I got this error: DocumentRoot [/var/www/] does not exist although it is there
12:10<cold>well, hey, this is less of a headache then when i installed slackware haha. i'll give debian that.
12:11<rodox102>bja: i installed debian yesterday on a 200gb drive so, yes
12:11<cold>internet connection worked right out of the box, so ill give it that
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12:12<bja>rodox102: check that your partitions is as big as you need them, it might happen that you have a small partition for that :)
12:12<TCW>cold, what hardware do you have there? lspci output would be nice
12:12<cold>i did the minimal netinst because i didnt feel like burning a bunch of CDs. so im having to install x and kde manually. (for some reason when doing the initial install it had some problems so it didnt install my desktop stuff)
12:12<Flooo>is noflash there?
12:12<bja>!seen noflash
12:12<dpkg>noflash is currently on #debian, last said: 'lostMikePfx, usually about a year after squeeze turns stable'.
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12:13<rodox102>bja: i'm pretty sure space isn't a problem :/
12:13<TCW>cold, and using the netinstall disk has nothing to do with inatslling anything manually, you just had to press the right (and obvious) buttons to get X / gnome / KDE automatically (but netinstall means the packages get downloaded rather than from CD/DVD media)
12:14<cold>i did but it didnt work
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12:14<cold>it failed while trying to install the desktop stuff
12:14<TCW>cold, "it didn't work" is a not helful error description :)
12:15<cold>well, sorry, i cant magically remember every error message perfectly
12:15<cold>besides, im saying this more for conversation than anything
12:15<cold>i dont really expect people to magically fix my computer through irc :)
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12:16<cold>ah, sorry if that came out bad. just a lil frustrated updating all this.
12:16<InkBottle>No one having any idea about my grub issue? ;)
12:16<TCW>cold, then you maybe had some network issues, hard to tell. As a matter of fact I install from netinstall CD media regularly without issues. So if you want help you need to be a liitle more specific as netinstall DOES work in general.
12:17<rodox102>I'm getting errors about udev in synaptic...
12:17<cold>actually yes. i have something that i expect were http/ftp timeouts
12:17<abrotman>rodox102: read the error carefully
12:17<TCW>cold, so what now? Want help or not?
12:17<rodox102>E: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_150-2_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
12:17<cold>eh, im mostly just shooting the shit to be honest.
12:18<TCW>cold, ?
12:18<rodox102>i've already googled it, can't seem to find anything helpful
12:18<cold>as in just having a conversation for fun
12:18<TCW>rodox102, sid?
12:18<cold>im pretty sure i can get along just tinkering it a bit
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12:18<cold>but its fun just to talk about this stuff (imo atleast).
12:18<rodox102>no, lenny
12:19<TCW>rodox102, how did you get to this point?
12:19<rodox102>TCW: well, i can't pretty much install anything through apt-get install
12:19<cold>i think that maybe some of the data on the cd got corrupted somehow. my cd writer is pretty dang crappy. and i wrote it as 1x too.
12:19<TCW>cold, debian is something that does not need "tinkering" mostly, at least if the hardware is sane and in case of network install the network is sane too.
12:20<TCW>rodox102, why? Since when? What did you do to get there?
12:20<craigevil>rodox102: udev in lenny is 0.125-7+lenny3, 150-2 is in testing and sid
12:20<cold>well, i tell you, i followed the instructions and it just didn't work. for whatever reason. maybe I have weird hardware configs, maybe the CD is a bit iffy.
12:21<cold>in an ideal world i would just pop it in and be ready to roll. heh.
12:21<TCW>cold, *eeks* check the md5sum of the cd vs the iso file you downloaded
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12:21<cold>i probably should have done that
12:21<cold>i checked the md5sum of the iso but not the cd
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12:22<cold>it downloaded perfect, but probably screwed up on the cd. i have weird problems install everything, not just gentoo. i think my cd writer is hitting the dust.
12:22<TCW>cold, md5sum /dev/cdrom /file.iso everything is a file on unix :)
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12:22<cold>hmm i think ill need to check it on windows though
12:23<cold>i burned it on windows and the original iso is there
12:23<TCW>cold, no other unix box around?
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12:23<cold>nope :( just windows
12:23<TCW>At least I have no idea how to check a CD on windows against a iso... but I know most burning applications have a verify feature
12:24<cold>boy, i hate windows some of the time. no bundled-in md5sum checker. windows seems to miss so many parts that i would consider essential for a good operating system.
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12:24<cold>so i have to drag through freeware of questionable qualities just for basic things like checksums and ssh
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12:25<cold>i mean there's good software for windows outthere. putty is excellent. but surprised why windows cant just include these basic things.
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12:25<cold>i mean telnet but no ssh client???? windows WANTS peoples passwords to get sniffed or something?
12:25<TCW>cold, the focus of the average windows install is a different one compared to any other system around... and legal stuff is a concern there too.
12:26<cold>how so?
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12:27<TCW>And that is exactly the point why I like open systems the most, well integrated stuff that does play well with each other, no reinventing the wheel so often (some wheels get reinvented on linux as well, but that is a different story)
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12:28<dpkg><peterS> I don't know if I need anything with a name like 'shortening' touching that area
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12:29<cold>heh i still need windows because some stuff i need only works on it. (well, havent tried it on wine, but i wouldnt be comfortable completely trusting it)
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12:30<cold>i HATE programming on windows though
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12:30<TCW>cold, you ask why MS does not include some nice freeware tools on their installation media? Or even install them automatically?
12:31<cold>i just wonder why MS doesn't make their own ssh and md5sum
12:31<TCW>cold, because it would take time and ressources
12:31<cold>sure, but they're pretty important components
12:32<cold>i dont think ssh and md5sum would be extremely difficult to make
12:32<cold>the client i mean
12:32<TCW>cold, for the technical advanced network user, yes... but that is not the scope of Windows
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12:33<TCW>Microsoft Windows is about a PLAIN operating system (not as plain as in just the kernel but you get the idea)
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12:33<cold>but what is an advanced user has to use windows? i know its geared more towards casual users, but ssh isnt too obscure or difficult to use
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12:34<cold>i mean they include telnet and terminal
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12:34<cold>ssh is just as easy to use as telnet
12:34<TCW>but more complex to built
12:35<TCW>telnet is a standard that precedes the rise of Microsoft
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12:35<TCW>and telnet was there since ages, and it was needed for some tasks ages ago, MS had to have a telnet client
12:35<cold>eh, maybe. I've never tried building an ssh client myself. Telnet would be pretty damn easy to make
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12:36<Gathond>what is the point anyway, they include tools which works through GUI's between their systems, and their users tend to prefer GUI's
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12:36<cold>either way when I switch to a microsoft environment i miss all of my good old *nix standbys. even stuff like diff and sort.
12:37<Gathond>they gain nothing from adding it, as I see it
12:37<TCW>The thing is, Microsoft Windows is about building an operating system for most users and most users would never use ssh / md5sum / whatever
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12:37<cold>yeah, thats exactly why i dont like developing on microsoft
12:38<cold>or doing anything besides word processing, gaming, and browing the internet
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12:38<cold>is there any way to search what packages i CAN install on apt-get?
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12:39<cold>i looked through the man pages of them all and couldn't find anything.
12:39<TCW>cold, apt-cache search?
12:39<cold>ah, yes, that's exactly what i wanted. thanks
12:39<TCW>cold, or... do you want a listing of ALL installable packages?
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12:40<cold>hmm, whats the difference? i want a listing of everything package i can install, so that i can grep through it and try to find what i want
12:41<locklace>cold: man aptitude;
12:41<TCW>cold, bogus idea... there are over 20.000 packages... just use apt-cache search <search pattern>
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12:42<cold>yeah but i was going to grep through it.i know the general idea, just not the exact name\
12:42<TCW>cold, for what would you grep if you do not know the exact name?
12:42<cold>ive used aptitude but still
12:43<cold>uhhh, stuff that the name would have in it
12:43<cold>like *irc*
12:43<cold>or *mail*
12:43<TCW>cold, xchat, irssi, konversation, smuxi, all are irc clients, none has "irc" in its name
12:43<cold>you know? cant really think of a good example, but youknow what imean
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12:43<locklace>cold: making people repeat themselves is lame
12:44<cold>well, TCW, maybe that was a poor example
12:44<TCW>cold, ther is NO good example
12:44<cold>but if i have a general idea of what a name is
12:44<TCW>cold, so what is a name for you then?
12:44<cold>ugh,i dont think you understand what im saying
12:44<locklace>!slap cold
12:44*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across cold's face
12:44<locklace>cold: man aptitude;
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12:45<TCW>cold, so rephrase then
12:45<cold>hold on. ill be back
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12:47<TCW>for me the name of an applications is e.g. gnome-terminal, or gimp, or evolution, or exim, or oowriter... there are so little packages where their name actually say something about what the tools do
12:47<TCW>err... packages or applications (not always the same)
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12:48<cold>like say i wanted to install blacsgf-mpich-test
12:48<cold>but i had forgotten that name
12:48<cold>but knew it was related to blacsgf
12:48<cold>id like to see what packages match "blacsgf-*"
12:49<TCW>cold, apt-cache search blacsgf
12:49<cold>yes,thats what i want
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12:50<cold>heh, no offense, but there is a certain attitude with irc channers in tech channels that doesn't rub off on me too well
12:50<somatiq>flash doesn't work with chrome
12:51<cold>it's like you ask a question and suddenly ambushed by a bunch of pretentious basement-dwelling linux geeks heh
12:52<cold>doesn't make asking questions very encouraging
12:52<TCW>it does list more that just the packages that have "blacsgf" in their name, as not all related apps / packages may have that in their name...
12:52<cold>eh, oh well
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12:52<cold>then they'll tell you that your question is stupid heh
12:52<cold>this channel isn't too bad though
12:52<cold>some are just awful
12:52<cold>i think some of the basement-dwelling virgins get power-trips from it or something
12:53<TCW>cold, imho you get several things wrong there :)
12:53<somatiq>i've copied into /opt/google/chrome and run chrome with --enable-plugins, but nothing works
12:53<cold>it probably doesnt go too well for linux newbs who expect a helpful channel heh
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12:54<TCW>cold, all new users regardless of the system they have in front of them tend to get things wrong, understand things wrong, think wrong, make false assumptions.
12:54<cold>well, saying that, i'll say that i'll be kicked in a few minutes for offending one of the basement-dwelling virgin linux gurus power-tripping by being an ircop
12:54*amphi sighs
12:55<TCW>cold, at least HERE that will not happen as long as you watch your tone
12:55<cold>sorry for the aside. just annoys me with linux/programming channels in general
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12:55<cold>does anyone know what i mean though, or is it just me who notices that theme?
12:56<locklace>the theme is that you talk much more than you listen
12:56<locklace>a less than useful ratio when you're asking for help
12:56<TCW>cold, I perfectly know what you mean, but nevertheless you are wrong mostly
12:56<cold>new users can get frustrating but i try to treat them with expect. many things with linux are non-intuitive
12:56<cold>wrong mostly on what?
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12:57<TCW>cold, you are not the first new user we see and you will not be the last one, we know exactly what way your are going and what assumptions you may make as we all were new users once
12:57<cold>heh more annoying than those are the linux fan boys who will furry up a storm if you ever dare criticize their precious immaculate linux
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12:57<cold>im not a new user though TCW
12:57<cold>ive used linux for years, just not debian
12:58<amphi>cold: this might be more suited to #debian-offtopic
12:58<cold>you forgot things over the year. many things are non-intuitve.
12:58<cold>ah, sorry, amphi.
12:58<TCW>cold, then new to debian, I tried to be very general their, see above, I did talk about systems and not linux
12:58<cold>my first system was slackware,heh. that was fun. painful though
12:59<cold>ok sorry. ill stop being offtopic
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12:59<TCW>imho it is not that off-topic but... I don't mind :)
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12:59<cold>then fedora, then gentoo
13:00<cold>gentoo annoyed me because everything took so long to install because it was all compiled
13:00<cold>took literally almost a day to install openoffice
13:01<cahoot>you shoot yourself in the foot and complain about the pain?
13:01<somatiq>emm,,,, anibody?
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13:01<Inkbottle>for the grub issue i spoke minutes ago, i've been suggested on #linux to rebuilt my initial ramdisk (I recall it's a freeze at "loading initial ramdisk"). Do you think doing update-initramfs in rescue mode (cdrom) is the right solution?
13:01<cahoot>yes - wrt gentoo
13:01<TCW>cold, didn't you say you would stop talking about those things as some think it is off-topic? :)
13:01<cold>jeez, cahoot, you never install a new distro just for fun?
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13:02<cold>why else would i install slackware of all things?
13:02<noflash>cold, if he does, he would be off topic talking about it in here
13:02<cold>i can go talk about in #debian-offtopic. i know how pedantic ircops are ;)
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13:02<TCW>cold, ircops != chanops
13:03<cold>er, right. chanops
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13:06<TCW>cold, so if you want to discuss the issues any further, I joined #debian-offtopic, I'd like to get to the bottom line, you too?
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13:12<mukri>bonsoir j'aurait besoin d'un petit coup de main si cela est possible
13:12<mukri>j'ai installé debian sur mon eeepc 900
13:13<fnmueller>on ne parles pas francais ici
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13:13<mukri>je n'arrive pas a formater ma 2 eme carte de 4 go en fat 32 donc j'ai formater en ext3
13:14<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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13:25<Inkbottle>at boot, i've edited the boot command, and i added "echo hello", after the initial ramdisk command. and the hello is echoed...?
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13:38<stevefed5291>hey, does anybody here know how to set up a wireless ad-hoc over the command line? I have a computer running a off of a live cd, and I'd like to ssh into it so I wanted to set up an ad-hoc between that computer and my laptop.
13:39<amphi>stevefed5291: set the essid and mode adhoc with iwconfig, assign addresses and bring up the interfaces with ifconfig
13:39<stevefed5291>ok i'll try that, thanks.
13:39<amphi>stevefed5291: er, mode ad-hoc
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13:57<Inkbottle>from what i've been told on #grub, it would be the kernel that would be the problem, and not grub.
13:58<Inkbottle>Actually, the two stages of grub seems to be executed to the end
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13:59<Inkbottle>could this has sth to do with os-prober that, before rebooting has worked for some minutes when I apt-get updated
13:59<a3e>hallo leute
14:00<a3e>ist das hier nur englisch?
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14:01<a3e>kann einer deutsch und hat zeit für ein paar fragen?
14:01<a3e>büddee :(
14:02<a3e>helft mir - helft mir weg von windows, aber ich komm von windows nicht weg, wenn ich linux nicht benutzen kann
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14:05<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
14:05<bja>a3e: ^^
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14:43<warren_>hi, i try to use the nvidia installer to install the official nvidia driver on debian (testing), but it warns me about a different c compiler version at the beginning, should i ignore it or not?
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14:45<sney>warren_: please use the debian method to install nvidia drivers
14:45<sney>!nvidia squeeze
14:45<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
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14:46<warren_>yes but i really want the latest version
14:46<dpkg>[gcc] the GNU Compiler Collection, see . In order to change which version it should use "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. Ask me about <gcc-doc>.
14:47<sney>warren_: well in that case we can't help you, please go to #nvidia on
14:48<warren_>ok, how can i know which nvidia version will be compiled using the debian way?
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14:49-!-mib_h5u68q40vann [] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Mail with questions. (2010-02-06 19:49:32)]
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14:50<warren_>ok guys, but indeed i think the debian way is maybe the best choice, but how to know the version?
14:50<abrotman>warren_: depends which version of debian you install
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14:50<warren_>i have debian testing (dunno the name)
14:51<chealer>warren_: it depends on your release. on squeeze, you'd have to use sid's version, which is the latest
14:51<abrotman>warren_: squeeze
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14:52<L3oop>at the moment warren_ is speaking to abrotman and chealer
14:52<abrotman>L3oop: uh .. we know that?
14:52<L3oop>but Gh0stc0der has just joined and doesn't
14:52<abrotman>chealer: do you think it's a bot?
14:53<L3oop>no, we aren't
14:53<ravenbird>^ is the XK-Operator. Don't try to understand it
14:53<abrotman>Gh0stc0der: ignore the bots
14:53<Gh0stc0der>okey ^^
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14:54<Gh0stc0der>hi babilein
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14:54<Gh0stc0der>i'm not a bot :D
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15:02<L3oop>letz' put me at the top of the list
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15:04<abrotman>____aaaaaa: do you have a Debian question?
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15:04<abrotman>____aaaaaa: then please be quiet or go play somewhere else
15:04<Gh0stc0der>but i've a question for ubuntu
15:04<abrotman>Gh0stc0der: #ubuntu on
15:05<warren_>what would you do if you are on squeeze and wanted to install nvidia 190.53 ?
15:05<____aaaaaa>letz' look for a channel where you can talk about php
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15:09<chealer>warren_: you'd follow except that you'd get all packages from sid instead of testing
15:09<chealer>!tell warren_ about tum
15:09*abrotman wonders why you need the newest drivers all the time
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15:10<warren_>well the version in squeeze is quite old
15:10<warren_>and i had some good performance improvements using wine
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15:13<warren_>chealer: but i'm on squeeze
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15:18<mantra>help electric sheep stopped working due to an ffmpeg issue
15:19<mantra>[avi @ 0x1d84050]max_analyze_duration reached
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15:19<mantra>electricsheep: relocation error: electricsheep: symbol av_init_packet, version LIBAVFORMAT_52 not defined in file with link time reference
15:19<mantra>those were the only errors i got
15:19<mantra>im in squeeze
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15:20<o_be_one>hello !
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15:21<locklace>!btssmite mantra
15:21*dpkg beats mantra around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if mantra is running testing or unstable
15:21<locklace>!dbugs 567974
15:21<dpkg>#567974:I[electricsheep] electricsheep hangs (); Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:33:02 UTC []
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15:22<o_be_one>i want to know if i choose Debian Testing or Debian Stable for a desktop use (core2duo, 4gb ddr2, nvidia quadro FX 570M). I want to use software like wine, vmware workstation 7, nvidia official drivers, etc. (non free use)
15:23<mantra>i did look in the bugs and didnt see that one!!
15:23<mantra>where should i be looking
15:23<mantra>because i just went from the package pagge
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15:24<locklace>good enough
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15:24<locklace>admittedly the bug title chosen for that one sucks
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15:25<mantra>ok well thanks
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15:26<meowcats>o_be_one use debian stable or testing, its your preference :)
15:27<o_be_one>i'm already using testing, but i have make hdd part badly ... so i need to reinstall and i'll put all in / i think.
15:28<o_be_one>but someone has tell me that i can install lenny and if i need some latest packages i can get them on testing or sid repositery but i think that if i do that i can use testing directly ... :|
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15:29<babilen>o_be_one: You can also configure Debian to use LVM (logical volumes) during the installation, so you don't run into this problem again. I would *at least* create a seperate /home partition
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15:31<o_be_one>hum ... i'm using LVM i think because i've already 3 part (windows 7) used ... and masters part are limited by 4 !
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15:32<o_be_one>limited to 4 (sorry)
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15:33<babilen>You can create a volume group based on *one* partition and create logical volumes using disk space from that partition.
15:33<babilen>rather: volume group
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15:45<o_be_one>babilen, and partition could grow if they need ?
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15:49<babilen>o_be_one: no - you grow the logical volumes not the partitions
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15:50<babilen>!tell o_be_one -about lvm
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15:50<babilen>o_be_one: read that ^^^
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15:50<o_be_one>ok i'll read :).
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15:52<somatiq>can somebody tell me how i can get pixmap gtk-engine in lenny?
15:52<somatiq>it was removed from stable
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15:58<babilen>If it is not available as a Debian package you might have to install it by yourself. Is it in squeeze or sid? (I could not find it)
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16:01<somatiq>better) etch
16:01<somatiq>manual install gives dependences problems
16:02<babilen>manual installation of what? The Debian package or the upstream version?
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16:03<babilen>You could recompile the Debian source package and see how that works out
16:03<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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16:04<babilen>that details how to backport from sid - You could follow steps 3 and 4 with the etch source package. Don't know if that'll work though due to new standards and everything
16:05<babilen>I would just compile the upstream version and install it manually
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16:05<babilen>Or rather use a gtk engine that is supported in lenny ;-)
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16:09<somatiq>the're a plenty of nice themes using it
16:09<somatiq>*there are)
16:10<somatiq>but i have no idea how to install it
16:11<somatiq>i want to get flat theme but can find one on "modern" engines
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16:19<babilen>somatiq: I am sure somebody in a gnome specific channel can tell you how to install this. Try #debian-gnome and the applicable channels listed on (#gnome and #gnome-art)
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16:36<somatiq>oh, found it)
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16:41<somatiq>damn it! themes still don't work
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16:52<heras>Hi. How can I launch kaffeine from my PC screen on my TV? Will that depend on my xorg set-up?
16:52<heras>So I'll run kaffeine movie.mpg --screen1 or something like that.
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16:57<heras>my xorg looks like this:
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17:13<Gunned_dn_Bandit>was up?? anyone there??
17:14<locklace>do you have a debian question
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17:15<Gunned_dn_Bandit>i got a question abt backtrack
17:15<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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17:16<Gunned_dn_Bandit>i am using monitor mode, and when the process is running and it picks up something all i am getting is the ip the other comp used to connect
17:16<locklace>Gunned_dn_Bandit: read the above, specifically the part beginning with "It is not supported in #debian"
17:17<Gunned_dn_Bandit>where do i go to find out more abt backtrack??
17:17<locklace>if you could read, you'd already know
17:17<Gunned_dn_Bandit>what exactly is debian??
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17:17<simonrvn>that's how
17:19<Gunned_dn_Bandit>what do u use debian for?? i know it has alot of purpose but any that stick out??
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17:19<locklace>Gunned_dn_Bandit: making the computer go
17:20<Gunned_dn_Bandit>well that helps alot
17:20<locklace>!tell Gunned_dn_Bandit about why debian
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17:53<TCW> I try to run d-i via PXE, works on one client but another client fails. As it seems it does request a bohus pxelinux.0 file see vs
17:53<TCW>bogus even
17:54<TCW>"/pxelinux.0M-^?" <- that is the thing the broken client requests, anyone a clue why?
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17:59<rjent>This seems to discuss the issue some.
18:00<rjent>I only joined a few minutes ago but if it is you looking perhaps this will help.
18:01<TCW>rjent, funny... I have the same link as I thought... the filename it requests sounds bogus / unique enough to try to google it :)
18:02<TCW>s/link/webpage in my browser right now/
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18:03<rjent>TCW: what happens on your tftp server if you synlink pxelinux.0 to pxelinux.0M-^?
18:03<rjent>TCW: switch that statement
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18:03<TCW>rjent, that is a very ilegal filename on unix, I think I don't wanna try it :)
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18:04<rjent>TCW: ok then the link should fix for now but broken client pxe
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18:04<rjent>seems to the the issue.
18:04<TCW>rjent, yeah
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18:06<TCW>but I will gogle a bit more, as changeing the tftp server is something I don't want yet
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18:07<Guest1069>I have attempted to install 64 Studio 2.1 but near the end of the install it gets hung up on installing chroot/target/usr/sbin/ 64studio-confic new.
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18:08<Guest1069>I was able to successfully install 64 by back dating to 2007 the first time, however since then neither Ubuntu or
18:09<abrotman>Guest1069: this channel is for Debian
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18:09<gsimmons>Guest1069: 64 Studio is not supported here, please use #64studio on instead.
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18:30<TCW>rjent, as it was suggested several times, I did go the "using the ilegal filename" approach... so a "ln -s pxelinux.0 `echo -e "pxelinux.0\xff\x00"`" did the trick too and no need to change the dhcp / tftp daemons :)
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19:11<Rovanion>Tell me, I have an apt-cache of about 1GB; and on a 10GB drive thats a lot of space. How do i remove these cached packages the smart way and keep apt from keeping such a huge cache?
19:11<BlackFate>apt-get clean
19:11<Rovanion>And how do I set apt to keep itself clean?
19:12<BlackFate>put apt-get clean to a cron job
19:12<BlackFate>but i dont suggest it
19:12<themill>You might be interested in "autoclean" too
19:13<babilen>... both are available with aptitude as well
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19:14<Rovanion>But, there is no build in setting in apt that will limit the cache kept inbetween sessions?
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19:14<BlackFate>no.. packages have to be downloaded.. you cant limit that
19:15<BlackFate>updates' size varies
19:15<Rovanion>Yes of course they must, but as far as I can see there is no need to keep the source packages inbetween updates, they're done with
19:16<BlackFate>Rovanion, you can set to remove the in every boot
19:16<BlackFate>add to crontab
19:16<BlackFate>@reboot apt-get clean
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19:17<BlackFate>sudo crontab -e
19:17<BlackFate>and add this line and save
19:17<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: you can set things up to have them removed automatically if you wanted
19:18<Rovanion>dondelelcaro, That's what I'm really looking for. I do understand that the BlackFate way works but it's not the best way, maybe a bit dirty
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19:19<BlackFate>Rovanion, well.. from my experience...cron tab is the cleanest way to do dirty things
19:19<BlackFate>i hope you get it :P
19:20<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: the general method would be to call apt-get autoclean; or similar in a post-invoke hook
19:21<dondelelcaro>I can't remember if you need a lock to run autoclean, though, so that may be a bit complicated
19:21<Rovanion>dondelelcaro, You're saying that there aren't any settings for apt, apt-get or aptitude to clean up after installation/update is completed?
19:22<Rovanion>If that's the case then maybe a daily cron job is the best solution
19:22<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: there aren't any direct settings, but since you can run hooks, you can effectively do the same
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19:23<Rovanion>dondelelcaro, Okey, well could you tell me how I hook this fish I wish to catch?
19:23<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: see also Aptitude::Autoclean-After-Update
19:24<TCW>that the apt-cache is not cleaned in any way did save my ass several times :)
19:24<Rovanion>TCW, How come?
19:25<TCW>Rovanion, sid user
19:25<Rovanion>TCW, You were able to revert to an old package after update?
19:25<BlackFate>Rovanion, in sid packages come and go.. sometimes keeping old packages inside... might help
19:25<TCW>Rovanion, to a _specific_ version which may not be in sid, testing, stable anymore
19:26<dondelelcaro>in the relatively near future, will enable you to do away with keeping packages, but for now it's useful.
19:26<Rovanion>Sid is the current unstable release? What will become stable in April?
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19:26<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: testing becomes stable when we release
19:27<TCW>dondelelcaro, true... that's why I was so shocked that did vanish and I am really eager to soo snapshot.d.o go online
19:27<Rovanion>And the occasional oldstable as far as I've understood
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19:27<dondelelcaro>TCW: sdn had hardware failure, and honestly wasn't ever ideal in that regards
19:28<dondelelcaro>oldstable is just an alias which points at the previous stable release while we have security support for it (and sometimes longer)
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19:28<Rovanion>For how long could lenny stay oldstable after stable is released?
19:28<TCW>dondelelcaro, I know... I talked to... (what was his name again?) ... a year ago about his service
19:29<TCW>Rovanion, as long as another release-cycle
19:29<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: generaly speaking, 12 to 18 months after we release a new stable release
19:29<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: but we never support more than two stable releases
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19:30<TCW>dondelelcaro, ther is only ONE stable at a given time ;)
19:30<dondelelcaro>TCW: oldstable was a stable release too
19:31<Rovanion>dondelelcaro, With the slower-compared-to-fedora/ubuntu releasecycle not having more than two stable supported at the same time
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19:31<Rovanion>makes sense
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19:31<dondelelcaro>Rovanion: its mainly a problem of developer time, actually
19:31<dondelelcaro>but yeah, it's about all that we can manage
19:31<TCW>dondelelcaro, yes... WAS... :)
19:32<Rovanion>Stable in the distro world really translates to, not changing, rather than actually working
19:32<gdb>TCW: uh, and still is
19:33<TCW>gdb, ?
19:34<dondelelcaro>TCW: it doesn't stop being a stable release just because it's been superseeded
19:34<Rovanion>TCW, It's not changing, hence stable
19:34<gdb>TCW: You made some inane comment about how oldstable "WAS" a stable release.
19:34<TCW>No, you get me wrong folks :) it was just about stable is stable and old-stable is old-stable, a joke if you want :)
19:35<gdb>ah heh
19:35<TCW>One can say old-stable is still supported but there is only one stable release at a given time :)
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19:37*streuner looks at TCW
19:37<dondelelcaro>there is one release which the stable alias in the archive is pointing at, but that's something distinct from whether there are multiple stable releases
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19:38<punisher>spanish people
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19:38<TCW>punisher, try
19:39<Rovanion>Watch #debian as it bursts into a full fledged geeksplosion about semantics
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19:39<Rovanion>About that cron job, or should someone tell me how to hook that autoclean fish?
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19:39<punisher>i use xchat how i instal chat
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19:39<dondelelcaro>punisher: /join #debian-es
19:40<Rovanion>punisher, Type /join #debian-es
19:40<Tuplad>is there a way to find all packages that are not needed and delete them ? I think I've got a pretty messy system, turning into something like windows :o
19:40<dondelelcaro>Tuplad: if you're using aptitude, it'll do that for you
19:40<Rovanion>Aptitude = more magic
19:40<se7en>is it possible to call ssh user@computername ? I can ssh user@IP no problem but not @computer name
19:40<dondelelcaro>se7en: yes
19:41<se7en>dondelelcaro: what am I doing wrong than?
19:41<dondelelcaro>se7en: depends; what is the error you get?
19:41<Tuplad>dondelelcaro: hmm, I don't think it does, because I keep deleting packages manually which are not needed by any software...
19:41<TCW>se7en, sure... with a working DNS system at your network
19:41<se7en>route to host not found dondelelcaro
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19:42<dondelelcaro>Tuplad: it will remove packages which are marked as automatically installed which are no longer depended on or recommended by another piece of software
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19:42<dondelelcaro>se7en: what does ping hostname; say? does it resolve to the ip you expect?
19:42<Tuplad>dondelelcaro: hmm :(
19:43<Tuplad>what's up with all the xserver-xorg-video-* packages being installed ? are they safe to remove ?
19:43<TCW>Tuplad, so low on diskspace that you are concerned about those packages?
19:43<dondelelcaro>Tuplad: you just need the right one(s), but they're all installed by default, because it's not possible to know
19:43<dondelelcaro>(err, it's not possible for the packaging system to knw)
19:43<se7en>ping hostnam = unkown host and ping IP works
19:44<Tuplad>TCW: I just don't want that crap
19:44<Tuplad>dondelelcaro: thanks!
19:44<dondelelcaro>se7en: then your DNS isn't working properly for some reason
19:44<TCW>Tuplad, then delete them, but you will have fun with dependencies then :)
19:44<se7en>dondelelcaro: how would I set that up
19:44<dondelelcaro>TCW: it's actually pretty easy; you only need one of them, and you remove the meta-package which installs them all
19:44<TCW>se7en, do you have a local nameserver that resolves names to ip addresses?
19:44*Tuplad agrees with dondelelcaro
19:45<TCW>dondelelcaro, depends on what you call easy
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19:45<dondelelcaro>if it takes you more than a minute, you're working too hard
19:45<se7en>TCW: it is a local (on the lan) box I want to ssh into. It is connected through a router
19:46<TCW>se7en, what is "it"?
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19:46<Tuplad>I mean, I'm just a home user, I don't need nothing facy.
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19:47<se7en>TCW: the set up is two computer connected via a router and it is on an internal network 192.168 ...
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19:47<TCW>dondelelcaro, I may do something uttlery wrong, but sometimes I had a hard time to get rid of $package due to dependencies.
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19:48<dondelelcaro>TCW: that's why you use the curses interface to aptitude; you remove the package, then walk through the broken dependencies
19:48<TCW>se7en, so you do not have a local name server? A service that translates your local IP addresses to hostnames and vice versa?
19:48<dondelelcaro>normally it'll find the right solution, but when it doesn't, you can find it for it
19:48<se7en>TCW: no I guess not
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19:49<TCW>dondelelcaro, blame me, I don't use aptitude anymore :)
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19:49<se7en>internet dns gets resolved by the router
19:49<TCW>se7en, internet hosts do not matter here
19:49<se7en>ok so what package do I need to set up a internal dns server?
19:50<TCW>se7en, another approach then: cat /etc/resolv.conf on any box, paste to a paste service
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19:50<TCW>se7en, probably no package is needed, we will see
19:51<se7en>let me change to the computer TCW give me a second
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19:51<Rovanion>Say what do I put in crontab if I want a job done daily? @daily?
19:52<TCW>Rovanion, see /etc/cron.*
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19:52<monkey_d_luffy>something very weird happend with my system... I'm unable to type some characters, like x or s, in a console (I'm using KDE in case that's relevant)
19:52<se7en>ok back
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19:53<TCW>monkey_d_luffy, what does xev say when you type the not recognised charaters?
19:54<TCW>se7en, so is your router? What kind of router is it? What firmware does it run?
19:54<monkey_d_luffy>TCW: I can't type that on the console, nor even copy-paste works! If I copy "xev" and then try to paste it, the "x" gets eaten.
19:54<se7en>asus dsl-g31
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19:55<Rovanion>TCW, Just to make sure that I don't mess up. A daily apt-get clean line typed in crontab -e would look like: @daily apt-get clean ?
19:55<se7en>Firmware Version: TCW
19:55<TCW>se7en, dunno that thing... but see if it has a setting in its web configuration for resolving _local_ hosts
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19:56<TCW>Rovanion, no... I meant... look, type ls -ld /etc/cron.*
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19:57<Rovanion>TCW, Yes and so I did, and I found typed out in green text that there was a something named daily.
19:58<TCW>Rovanion, and what else?
19:58<monkey_d_luffy>TCW: I found the problem, it has to do with me trying to disable the annoying console beep. xset b off
19:58<TCW>monkey_d_luffy, *lol* nice one :)
19:59<ml|>se7en: /msg dpkg override dns
19:59<Rovanion>TCW, Oh sorry, in cron.daily there were green text. ls cron. returned a good set of normal folders I suspect
20:00<TCW>Rovanion, I don't get you... you did type ls -ld /etc/cron.* in a terminal?
20:00<se7en>no nothing tcw
20:00<se7en>what ml|
20:01<TCW>ml|, that does not help se7en in any way
20:01<ml|>TCW: why not?
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20:01<TCW>ml|, because he has no name server that would fix the issue he has
20:02<Rovanion>TCW, First I typed ls /etc/cron . Then I typed ls /etc/cron.daily. Well now I've also typed ls -ld /etc/cron.*. So how does this aid me in the search for the cron job?
20:02<TCW>ml|, you wants to resolve _local_ hosts in his lan
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20:03<TCW>Rovanion, oh hell! :) The thing I wanted to show you is that there are folders for everything you may need, one for daily cronjobs, one for weekly, monthly and so on...
20:03<TCW>Rovanion, just put scripts in the folders as you see fit and be happy
20:03<se7en>ok but i could give the box a static ip if the @host does not work or. all i need is to have scp be callable from a scrip. which does not work so far because the ip keeps changing
20:03<ml|>oh local lan, set that in /etc/hosts
20:03<TCW>ml|, maybe, we were not there yet
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20:04<TCW>se7en, the IP addresses do change?! Why that?
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20:04<Rovanion>TCW, Mission successful. So I simply put apt-get clean in the form of a text file into /ect/cron.daily/ and that will do the job?
20:04<TCW>ml|, see... /etc/hosts is out of the picture :)
20:05<magyar>hi, is there a way to get info from a sata harddrive (manufactur, model, etc..)?
20:05<Half-X>guys, i need help. I have full-upgraded and now, when i go GDM, my keyboard doesn't work. I have tried modprobe kbd and it says that the module doesn't exist
20:05<TCW>Rovanion, mor or less, but it needs to be a script and named correctly
20:05<se7en>TCW: because there are 4 internet computer and a wifi hotspot
20:05<TCW>se7en, that is not a explanation why the ip addresses change
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20:06<Rovanion>TCW, Wasn't crontab designed to make it more or less impossible for a person like me to get that part wrong?
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20:06<se7en>TCW: well depending on the order i start the computer in the morning and the wifi clints are already connected i will get a different IP
20:07<sasha>привіт усім
20:07<Half-X>i think the problem must be hal, that i chose to make a new config file.
20:07<TCW>Rovanion, huh?
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20:07<TCW>se7en, then your router is crap
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20:07<TCW>se7en, or at least its dhcp configuration
20:07<ml|>se7en: if your router supports static dhcp use that
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20:09<locklace>!tell sasha about ru
20:09<Rovanion>TCW, Ahw it's 2am and I'm appearently too tired to make any sense. Pardon being so outright but just tell me what text to bash, pun intended, trough my computer
20:09<TCW>se7en, so if your router does not have a name resolving feature for the dhcp clients or something like "static" dhcp (all hosts get the same address every day) you are lost
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20:09<sasha>тут хтось розмовляє українською чи російською ????
20:10<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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20:11<TCW>Rovanion, you know what a script is?
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20:11<TCW>Rovanion, a shell or bash script?
20:12<se7en>:) yes I know TCW the router is crap
20:12<se7en>I will try to set up the box with a static Ip
20:12<TCW>se7en, did you have a look at its configuration options?
20:12<Rovanion>TCW, It is basicly a set of commands saved to a text file for later use right?
20:12<se7en>that should hopfuly work
20:12<TCW>Rovanion, more or less... text is text and a script is a script
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20:13<TCW>Rovanion, but a script is mostly ascii text, true
20:13<se7en>yes more than once TCW on my router i can set one ip to a box and have that all the time
20:13<se7en>my own router that is
20:13<TCW>Rovanion, you know what "#!/bin/sh" means?
20:13<se7en>thanks for your help TCW
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20:14<TCW>se7en, and what about name to ip address resolving?
20:14<Rovanion>TCW, To me sh is the binary that executes ELFs in Linux
20:15<Rovanion>I guess I'm wrong then
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20:15<TCW>Rovanion, IF I get you right... then yes :)
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20:16<Rovanion>ELF is the standard for how executable files are structured in Linux and other Unix-like systems
20:17<locklace>and has nothing whatsoever to do with shell scripts
20:17<TCW>Rovanion, but scripts are a completeley different thing
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20:18<TCW>Rovanion, you know the difference between binary and ascii text?
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20:18<TCW>Rovanion, maybe heard of batch files? DOS or windows terminus, on unix it is "shell script"
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20:19<Rovanion>TCW, Yes, ascii is a characterset that allows for 127characters that are interpreted to humanly readable character whereas binary files are files for the machine to understand
20:19<Rovanion>Oh yes I'm aware of what a script is
20:20<TCW>Rovanion, oh you are? So what has a script to do with ELF?
20:21<Rovanion>TCW, That was an offtopic track when it came to sh, or what I belived what sh did. Does sh interpet scripts or binary files?
20:21<FreeWill>scripts are binaries
20:21<FreeWill>all files are binaries
20:22<Flooo>it interprets ascii text
20:22<Flooo>or utf8
20:22<Rovanion>Let me express myself this way. Does sh interpet binary machine code or text coded in ascii?
20:22<FreeWill>ascii text is a binary interpretation
20:22<Rovanion>Come on
20:23<TCW>I guess FreeWill is a troll?
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20:23<TCW>Rovanion, sh as /bin/sh interprets text-files... more or less.. at least NO binary files at all
20:24<Rovanion>TCW, I always tought that when I ran my ATi installer with sh that it was a binary package it was interpreting
20:24<FreeWill>TCW: Is any point of view you do not share a troll?
20:24<TCW>Rovanion, *l,ol*
20:24<Flooo>$ sh /bin/sh
20:24<Flooo>/bin/sh: /bin/sh: cannot execute binary file
20:24<Flooo>yeah :P
20:25<FreeWill>Flooo: indeed
20:25<TCW>Rovanion, you have a very nice example there why a shell script is not always and under all circumstances text
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20:27<TCW>Rovanion, the ati installer has the binary blob in the "script" included, but in general only dumbasses need to ship binary blob like ati or nvidia in shell scripts
20:28<Rovanion>Well well, hence my confusion
20:28<TCW>Rovanion, all clear now?
20:29<Rovanion>Atleast clearer, tough my sight is actually getting dim. My contact lenses tend to react that way when I don't blink enough
20:29<TCW>Rovanion, so you know what "#!/bin/sh" in a script means?
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20:30<sney>FreeWill isn't a troll, he's just lost in translation
20:30<FreeWill>Rovanion: the kernel is looking for the shebang to make the difference between binary executable and binary interpreted like scripts
20:30<Rovanion>TCW, It's calling for the binary application/program sh to intepreter another script. Somewhat correct?
20:31<Rovanion>FreeWill, The shebang?
20:31<FreeWill>sney: why lost?
20:31<FreeWill>Rovanion: "#!" the 2 magic bytes
20:31<TCW>Rovanion, finally... at least somewhat correct, correct enough to stick with that... and that thing is called 'shebang'
20:31<sney>sometimes your english is good and sometimes it's like french in a strange hat
20:32<Flooo>you can put every binary interpreter after #! btw
20:32<TCW>Flooo, that "binary" there... would you mind rephrasing? :)
20:32<Flooo>your discussion is confusing :D
20:32<FreeWill>sney: why french? lol
20:33<Rovanion>I must point out that my native tongue is Swedish and not English
20:33<TCW>Rovanion, mine is german, so what? :)
20:33<sney> is a french isp :P
20:33<FreeWill>sney: so you're french too I guess?
20:34<sney>nope! but I live in canada so french is something I'm exposed to all the time
20:34<Rovanion>TCW, On the topic of lost in translation. I must blame something mustn't I?
20:34<FreeWill>sney: french sucks a lot in english but I do my best not all the time
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20:34<TCW>Rovanion, but you can't fool us there, as you said already the ati installer did confuse you :p
20:34<sney>just keep practicing and your word salad percentage will go down eventually
20:34<kjofdw>is there any relation to this channel and the servers at
20:35<TCW>sney, hehe
20:36<sney>in other news, my Debian firewall went online today! I am more secure than ever
20:36<abrotman>you didn't have a firewall before ?
20:36<sney>I had a 2.4 based 'firewall' distribution that lacked a lot of features I wanted
20:36<kjofdw>i'm getting a "Not Found" when i try to download a package.
20:37<Rovanion>TCW, Anyways, this is how I will proceed: I will firstly run nano. Therein I will type !# apt-get clean . I will then save that to /etc/cron.daily
20:37<sney>and for the past couple of days I had a terrible d-link router
20:37<Flooo>kjofdw: apt-get update
20:37<TCW>Rovanion, wrong
20:37<kjofdw>no. i'm downloading the package manually
20:37<kjofdw>from the website
20:37<kjofdw>not using aptitude
20:38<Rovanion>TCW, I guessed that there should be a shebang at the start. A wild one
20:38<Flooo>found in ?
20:38<TCW>Rovanion, a sheband does have a well difined syntax, you just did it wrong
20:38<TCW>shebang even
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20:39<Rovanion>lol shebang != !# . shebang = #!
20:40<TCW>Rovanion, so once again, "#!/bin/sh" is the shebang for shell-scripts "#!/bin/bash" for bash-scripts, "#!/usr/bin/perl -le" (I guess) for perl-scripts.
20:40<Flooo>right.. got the same error
20:41<Rovanion>Idiot warning: So there is a difference between sh and bash. Always taught sh was a short for bash
20:42<abrotman>depends where sh points to
20:42<TCW>Rovanion, so to be posix compatible you want to write a shell-script, so the first line MUST be #!/bin/sh
20:42<Flooo>how about this, kjofdw?
20:42<kjofdw>yeah. i just found it myself
20:42<kjofdw>thx though
20:42<kjofdw>didn't know security updates got updated...
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20:42<TCW>Rovanion, see wikipedia for a comprehensive explanation about shells, bash, zsh and all the other things
20:43<Flooo>but you're right on the site is the wrong link
20:44<TCW>in short, sh may be linked to bash or dash or zsh or whatever shell-interpreter one likes, but in general sh is the "bourne shell" bash the "bourne again shell"
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20:46<TCW>the bourne shell is posix compliant, the bourne again shell has some additional features that are NOT posix compliant, so it is best practice to try to stay posix compliant and use "sh" (bourne shell). Just a side note, it has nothing to do with Jason Bourne.
20:47<Rovanion>TCW, Okey, new plans: nano > #! /bin/sh /breakline/ apt-get clean > save to /etc/cron.daily . Correct me if I'm wrong
20:47<Flooo>let's force nvidia & ati build packages btw =)
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20:47<TCW>Rovanion, is there a whitespace between ! and /?
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20:48<abrotman>Rovanion: uh .. why?
20:48<abrotman>Rovanion: you can set the size of the cache in the apt.conf ..
20:48<TCW>abrotman, *looool*
20:48<Rovanion>TCW, Unfortunately so
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20:48<abrotman>TCW: why is that funny?
20:48<Rovanion>abrotman, All this time these guys have been telling me that it's impossible to do so... Or atleast that it's not possible to do so xD
20:49<TCW>abrotman, I am almost sure Rovanion would be happy about that hint one hour earlier :)
20:49<abrotman>Rovanion: someone told you like an hour ago that it was possible
20:49<Flooo>abrotman: why isn't that funny?
20:49<abrotman>because you guys have wasted an hour of his time ?
20:49<TCW>abrotman, someone did? At least I didn't see that too
20:49<Rovanion>Well that person, if he so did, did not fallow up when I asked him how to do this vodoo magic
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20:50<Flooo>but now he knows how to write shell scripts an that theu are no binarys..
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20:50<abrotman>see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
20:50<TCW>abrotman, I would not say it was wasted time though
20:50<Rovanion>Because that is the exact function that I asked about
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20:51<Rovanion>TCW, No you insisted in actually learning me stuff xD
20:51<Rovanion>Not that I'm complaining
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20:52<FreeWill>Floo: scripts are binary files interpreted not executed
20:52<Flooo>Rovanion will not throw around with ELF so far.. another pro
20:52<Rovanion>Do not murder the files!
20:53<TCW>sney, are you really sure he is not a troll? ;)
20:53<Flooo>FreeWill: go ahead reading binary code..
20:53<Guest1079>anyone here speak Spanish
20:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
20:54<TCW>I don't see how "scripts are binary files" could be explained with "lost in translation" :)
20:54<FreeWill>Floo: so you can read any text files on the surface of your CDs?
20:55<Rovanion>abrotman, I'm to tired to figure out for myself what to do with that compressed file. So I'm going to add a cron job and be over with it
20:55<abrotman>up to you
20:55<TCW>Wow... :)
20:55<TCW>Rovanion, you have a starnge workflow :)
20:55<TCW>strange even
20:56<Rovanion>Should have hit the sack a good two hours ago
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20:56<TCW>Rovanion, why not do it and work on that issue when your mind is fresh again?
20:56<Rovanion>TCW, Well the help I got on the settings side of things was cryptic at best
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20:56<FreeWill>Floo: data files whatever the information contained in are all a sequence of bits
20:57<weribl>Someone tired?
20:57<FreeWill>Flooo: Even a folder :-D
20:57<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, el is for help in greek try or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el
20:57<TCW>Rovanion, where? If you consider we are not foretellers and did not know about your confusion what shell scripts are...
20:58<Flooo>FreeWill: of course they are.. don't be so pedantic!
20:58<Rovanion>TCW, Okey, so hows this for a procedure: nano > #!/bin/sh /breakline/ apt-get clean > save to /etc/cron.daily . Correct me if I'm wrong
20:58<TCW>Rovanion, filename of script?
20:59<Rovanion>TCW, I wasn't talking about the help from your side, can I say lost in translation here? It was about the .gz file
20:59<Rovanion>TCW, jabbadahut should be a proper filename
20:59<TCW>Rovanion, the thing with the gz file isn't cryptic at all
20:59<FreeWill>Flooo: It's not pedantic it's the definition
20:59<TCW>Rovanion, it would, yes
21:00<TCW>Rovanion, but won't
21:00<FreeWill>Flooo: call a cat a cat, a dog a dog etc
21:00<abrotman>who gave him this instructions ?
21:00<TCW> even
21:00<abrotman>Rovanion: that's not correct
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21:01<Rovanion>TCW, Well he just gave me the path to file to look in. And since I don't remember how to unzip a gz it stopped there.
21:02<Rovanion>So: nano > #!/bin/sh /breakline/ apt-get clean > save to /etc/cron.daily/jabbadahut
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21:02<TCW>Rovanion, and as I see the last hour... you know that that script needs to be 'executable' as well?
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21:02<TCW>abrotman, what is not wrong there?
21:02<TCW>err... correct :)
21:03<Flooo>all confused?
21:03<TCW>Rovanion, zless file.gz
21:03<abrotman>TCW: read what he wrote .. it's wrong
21:03<cold>helllo there TCW. back on my xp partition
21:03<TCW>abrotman, if he would type it literally as shown here in a terminal... yes, but I REALLY hope he does not :)
21:04<TCW>cold, huh?
21:04<abrotman>he's asking *you* for help .. help him .. jeez
21:04<cold>i was the fellow trying to work out my X problems
21:05<TCW>abrotman, I do... does it look different to you? As said, I don't think he means it literally
21:05<TCW>Rovanion, do you mean the thing you typed here literally?
21:05<Rovanion>No, it details a procedure.
21:05<abrotman>he doesn't know .. he's asking you to verify it .. obviously he needs help
21:05<abrotman><Rovanion> TCW, Okey, so hows this for a procedure: nano > #!/bin/sh /breakline/ apt-get clean > save to /etc/cron.daily . Correct me if I'm wrong
21:05<abrotman>you didn't correct him
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21:06<TCW>abrotman, as I don't see a flaw there
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21:06<Flooo>executable *hust*
21:06<TCW>IF he does not mean it literally!
21:06<abrotman>besides that /etc/cron.daily is a directory ?
21:06<abrotman>HE'S ASKING YOU FOR HELP
21:06<abrotman>he's telling you to correct him
21:06<Rovanion>So: nano > #!/bin/sh /breakline/ apt-get clean > save to /etc/cron.daily/jabbadahut
21:06<Rovanion>Look at that abrotman
21:07<abrotman>that's not what you wrote when you asked him if it was correct
21:07<Rovanion>That was the latest iteration that I got out after reciving his help
21:07<abrotman>and that script wouldn't help since he also left out the part about changing the perms
21:08<TCW>abrotman, ehm? See "03:02:24 <TCW> Rovanion, and as I see the last hour... you know that that script needs to be 'executable' as well? "
21:08<Rovanion>abrotman, Then I'm asking you to tell me about this part. What do I need to know?
21:08<TCW>3.02 am local time UTC+1
21:08<abrotman>Rovanion: i'd tell you to use the conf file
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21:10<Rovanion>abrotman, And that is as good as no help. Are you talking about the apt setting now?
21:10<TCW>Rovanion, to make it one time very clear, I also recommend to read the info in that document abrotman linked, and I told you how to read it already, but you insisted to go the cron.daily-script way... so it is a free world, you can do what you want...
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21:11<Rovanion>Is there anything more I need to know before I make my script and go to bed?
21:12<TCW>Rovanion, did you get the "executable" part?
21:12<Rovanion>!#/bin/sh ?
21:12<TCW>Rovanion, and did you get the zless part? The thing about compressed .gz text files
21:12<TCW>Rovanion, no
21:12<TCW>Rovanion, chmod +x file
21:14<TCW>and "zless /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz" regarding the link abrotman gave you
21:15<Flooo>abrotman: how do I disable keeping old package files in apt?
21:16<Rovanion>You read an example config file FloodServ
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21:18<Rovanion>TCW, There is no separation inbetween accounts for cron. All cron jobs are done for all accounts right? I just chown +x /etc/cron.daily/jabbadahut btw
21:18<Flooo>ok, didn't get it.. sry
21:19<TCW>Rovanion, all accounts? You mean user accounts? The stuff in /etc/cron.daily/* is run as _root_ always
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21:23<Rovanion>TCW, So it does not matter what user account I log into KDE with? the cron jobs are always done?
21:24<cold>cron should always run
21:24<Flooo>the sample config file is confusing me :/
21:25<cold>just make sure there is a crond process
21:25<cold>it will be running as root
21:25<TCW>Rovanion, unix is a multiuser operating system, there are lots of processes running with different user.ids while you only log in as a user
21:25<cold>ps -a | grep "crond" ? is that what its called
21:26<TCW>Rovanion, in othr words, most stuff works in the background and has nothing to do with your logged in user
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21:29<Flooo>cold: what do I have to put into apt.conf to avoid keeping package files? can you help me, please?
21:29<cold>oh boy, I'm new to debian too Flooo. I don't know much about the package system
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21:29<cold>ask TCW
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21:30<cold>I'm used to YUM in fedora. Yums cool :)
21:30<TCW>Flooo, you did read the file abrotman linked earlier?
21:30<Flooo>I did
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21:31<Flooo>but that didn't help me
21:31<TCW>Flooo, why not?
21:33<Flooo>ahhh ok
21:33<Flooo>found the setting
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21:34<Flooo>searching for "package file" did it
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21:36<Flooo>is there a preferred file in /etc/apt.conf.d to put it in, TCW or should I create a new one?
21:37<TCW>Flooo, your settings, your file, so create a new file... otherwise it could be overwritten
21:38<Flooo>thank you
21:38<TCW>Flooo, and in general... ask the channel and not one directly
21:38<Flooo>I'll do
21:39<TCW>But you may highlight one specifically if you have an open discussion with him/her and want to make sure he gets it
21:39<Flooo>but at the moment you're the most activ inhere =)
21:39<TCW>Flooo, just beacuse you highlight me :)
21:40<Flooo>you don't like that? ok :/ sry
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21:43<TCW>Flooo, I am fine with highlighting, I see it as essential otherwise I would miss the message. But I am not the only one here and I may be active because I tried to help Rovanion and we had lots of trouble during that, that kept me in this channel
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21:47<Flooo>TCW: I see. on the other hand: you were there. you know a solution for my prob. you were active. so I asked you
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21:48<TCW>Flooo, but you understand that someone may find it kinda rude? :)
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21:50<cold>dont worry, Flooo. TCW, and all other "irc gurus" are like this.
21:50<cold>just remember that they need to be treated differently than normal human beings
21:51<Flooo>they like silly discussions..
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21:52<TCW>cold, no, that is just me :)
21:52<TCW>and I am not a guru!
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21:52<TCW>in _no_ way!
21:52<Flooo>TCW: you helped me and I'm thankful, but don't worry I won't ask you anymore
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21:53<cold>at least this isn't #linux on undernet
21:54<Flooo>what's it in #linux on undernet like?
21:55<cold>never ask a question there
21:55<franki^>Not very welcoming, I imagine
21:55<cold>and NEVER EVER EVER criticize anything about linux
21:55<franki^>There are many such IRC channels.
21:55<TCW>Flooo, oh hell! Apparently it is so damn easy to fuck up guys... just try to be kind and forthcoming when it comes to asking for help, that's all I am asking :)
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21:55<FreeWill>cold: seems to be a channel for me :-P
21:56<FreeWill>cold: I like RTFM answers
21:56<franki^>TCW: I don't think that you were being rude, but I guess standards differ depending on the kind of conversation that you're used to :)
21:59<Flooo>TCW: I'm not fucked up.. I just give you what you want =)
21:59<TCW>franki^, oh I am so glad you said that... otherwise I am sure I would have thrown myself in front of a train! :p
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22:00<franki^>TCW: I thought so. That's why I mentioned it.
22:01<TCW>.oO( so no one should ever dare to call that channel here anti-social! *g* )
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22:02<Flooo>I made him angry.. this kind of irony is based on little agressions :>
22:02<TCW>angry? O_o
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22:03<Flooo>just smile for me =)
22:03<scathe>grub2: I had no problems using 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy' when I installed squeeze before, but I decided to dual boot this time and my debian is on the third partition. I've seen some posts here and there which seem to indicate that the 'upgrade-from-grub-legacy' script has some trouble with this. Does anyone have any experience in this regard?
22:06<Flooo>weglaufen ist sinnlos :P
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22:07<Flooo>sry.. wrong chan
22:08<scathe>also, for the life of me I can't seem to find the script. I remember last time that it was in some odd place outside the default $PATH, but I'll be darned if I can remember where.
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22:12<TCW>scathe, what script?
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22:13<TCW>scathe, a very usual place if you ask me
22:14<scathe>all I have is an update-grub
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22:16<TCW>scathe, grub-pc: /usr/sbin/upgrade-from-grub-legacy
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22:16<scathe>I could have sworn that when I did this in december I didn't have to install grub-pc (or it was installed as an update with 'aptitude upgrade')
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22:18<scathe>I got the message that pops up during install saying 'do ugrade-from-grub-legacy' during an update I did just moments ago
22:18<scathe>so I don't know how it couldn't be there
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22:19<TCW>scathe, without grub-pc (or -efi) installed grub2 is not operational
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22:21<scathe>what the heck
22:21<scathe>now it's there
22:21<scathe>it appears that grub-pc was downloaded but not installed
22:21<scathe>weird beans
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22:23<scathe>thanks for your help TCW
22:23<scathe>I thought I must be on crack
22:24<scathe>but I probably just didn't notice the message in the crazy update spew
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22:38<kop>I've got a strange apt problem. If I change sources.list to include just then aptitude update;aptitude safe-upgrade replaces 1.8.3-5+lenny1 using gnumeric_1.8.3-5+lenny1_i386.deb. But if I put the mirror of the main repo back it then does the same thing again when I safe-upgrade. It will go back and forth forever. I only have this problem with gnumeric. What's happening?
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22:45-!-LuQuitAs is "fs" on #debian @##plug #
22:45<LuQuitAs>alguien sabe hablar español ?
22:45<LuQuitAs>spanish ??
22:45<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:46<LuQuitAs>thank you
22:47<TCW>I really wonder if half of the world speaks spanish, or almost all spanish folks use debian :)
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22:59<franki^>There are 350 million or so Spanish speakers, and Debian does seem to be the most popular Linux distro here in Mexico..
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23:03<scathe>take that grub2 error 15!
23:03<scathe>en garde
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23:14<adb>scathe, google says > Error 15 "file not found" in Grub2 mostly occurs when you have installed grub2 to /boot but the grub legacy is still installed in MBR
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23:47<scathe>here's a fun question: what is the difference between 'squeeze' and 'testing' repos?
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23:49<gdb>scathe: There isn't any difference.
23:49<scathe>that's what I thought
23:49<scathe>I was just looking for fglrx-driver (etc) in there
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23:49<gdb>testing is a symlink to squeeze
23:50<scathe>but I just now found a thread which says it was removed from squeeze/testing due to the new xorg
23:50<scathe>as late as jan 25th
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