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---Logopened Tue Feb 09 00:00:18 2010
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00:12<kop>I thought that 'aptitude -t lenny-backports search "~i"' or 'aptitude search "~i~Alenny-backports"' would find me what's installed from backports, but this does not work. :-(
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00:14<gsimmons>dpkg: bpo list
00:14<dpkg>To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(backports.org))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>.
00:14<kop>gsimmons: Thanks. I'd _just_ now discovered that factoid!
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00:34<kop>It seems the right approach is to use 'aptitude install foo/stable' on each package installed from bpo. The wacky thing is that foo/lenny won't work. It's gotta be foo/stable. Is this an aptitude bug?
00:35<kop>And, you've got to search for everything installed from bpo because dependences won't be downgraded/re-installed automatically.
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00:55<KOJIbKA>hello! I can't share a folder using xfce4,4 in Lenny
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00:57<Nemoder>KOJIbKA: share to what?
01:00<KOJIbKA>samba resources
01:00<Nemoder>xfce/thunar doesn't support samba
01:00<KOJIbKA>should I use nautilus instead?
01:00<Nemoder>you might try something like smbnetfs to map shares to folders
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01:02<KOJIbKA>Initially I set everything to run properely at my laptop that runs GNOME. Now I have a problem to set desktop
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01:05<gsimmons>kop: Possibly bug #547707.
01:05<magyar> /dev/sda6 : start= 16177518, size= 5301387, Id=fd << what is the size on this sector?
01:05<magyar>it's an sfdisk output
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01:06<magyar>s/sector/partition
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01:07<jm_>magyar: ~2.6G
01:08<magyar>jm_: how did you get that?
01:08<jm_>or 2.5 to be more precise
01:08<jm_>magyar: sector size is 512bytes (unless you have a very rare new drive that can have 4096)
01:09<magyar>5301387 X 512
01:09<jm_>right
01:09<magyar>close enough, thanks jm_
01:10<jm_>np
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01:33<mib_lw4zo56yq9g2>hola
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01:34<mib_lw4zo56yq9g2>holaa
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01:35<mib_lw4zo56yq9g2>heeeeeeeeeey
01:37<seeS>uh huh
01:37<mmj638>afternoon
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01:54<KingKong2009>Hello
01:55<mmj638>afternoon
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03:19<dodecahedron>OpenBSD blackhole.earthlink.net 4.6 ejeet2#5 i386
03:19<jmm>hi.
03:19<dodecahedron>damn dirty communist hippies using a shitty inferior OS
03:19<dodecahedron>haha
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03:19<simonrvn>gsimmons: hey, thanks for adding those other factoids to my bot. much appreciated.
03:20<gsimmons>simonrvn: np
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03:48<aurelien_>hi, im looking for someone who can help me on subversion server
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03:49<Sam__>help me, oh debian irc channel
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03:50<jmm>hi sam.
03:50<Sam__>alright so i just installed debian
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03:50<aurelien_>anyone knows something about subversion? :(
03:50<mib_4sx5etk9m2ec>good
03:50<Sam__>but i dont know how i can get it to recognize my wireless usb adaptor
03:51<Sam__>hence, i can not go on the interwebs with it
03:51<jmm>aurelien_: better ask your question.
03:51<jmm>!wireless
03:51<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
03:51*mib_4sx5etk9m2ec sleeps
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03:53<aurelien_>i'm using subversion with a subclipse client on WinXP, my sub server is on Debian. I've got problems with repository location, I can't identify me
03:53<babilen>aurelien_: I guess you'll have more luck on #subversion @ irc.freenode.net - But ask your question. It might be that we are able to help you too, but we can't do that if we don't know what your problem is.
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03:55<Sam__>ive got another quick question, is it recommended to get some kind of firewall for my debian or AV
03:55<babilen>aurelien_: Can you elaborate on that? Provide relevant output and logfile excerpts on a paste site such as http://paste.debian.net
03:55<Sam__>if yes, what is a good, stable easy to use one?
03:56<aurelien_>babilen, im sorry if my english is bad, im french, i'll try to explain my problem better
03:56<jmm>Sam__: none of those is mandatory.
03:56<jmm>Sam__: the firewall maybe a good idea, but the AV is useless.
03:56<Sam__>so whats a good firewall
03:56<mib_4sx5etk9m2ec>Sam__, firestarter is an easy to use firewall
03:56<Sam__>ty bro
03:56<jmm>linux kernel's firewall. netfilter.
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03:57<babilen>Sam__: It is much saver to disable all daemons that have open ports. 'netstat -anp' and 'nmap 127.0.0.1' will tell you which daemons are listening ..
03:57<Sam__>ok
03:58<babilen>aurelien_: Just provide some output or the exact error you are getting. There is also a french channel ...
03:58<babilen>!tell aurelien_ -about fr
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03:58<aurelien_>on eclipse I need to login to indicate the repository location. I saved user and password in /myproject/conf/passwd but when I try to login, it tells me "Authorization failed"
04:00<babilen>aurelien_: Do you get any applicable logs on your server? How do you serve the repository? Have you checked, that the password+username you have provided matches the expected values? Change your credentials and try again ...
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04:01<aurelien_>i dont know where are subversion logs
04:01<aurelien_>(im studient)
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04:02<samafk>can you get basically all of the open source software that ubuntu uses with debian
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04:02<babilen>aurelien_: You mean you don't have access to the server on which the subversion repository is hosted?
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04:03<aurelien_>no, i've got access to the server, I've got 2virtual machines in lan
04:03<aurelien_>1debian server and 1xp client
04:03<babilen>samafk: The intersection is large ...
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04:04<samafk>what does that mean babilen
04:04<babilen>samafk: It means that there might be some packages on Ubuntu that are not available on Debian and vice versa
04:05<samafk>like i would be able to get gimp and openoffice, correct?
04:05<samafk>since they are pretty widely used
04:05<Nemoder>samafk: yes, though versions may be different
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04:07<babilen>!pdo
04:07<dpkg>http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
04:07<babilen>samafk: ^^^ have a look
04:08<samafk>thanks for the help guys
04:08<babilen>samafk: come back if you run into problems when you install debian ..
04:08<samafk>ive already installed debian?
04:09<babilen>ah, great
04:10<samafk>so my usb adaptor came with an install cd and it says linux compatible
04:10<samafk>should i try the cd
04:10<gsimmons>samafk: What USB adapter (brand, model) do you have?
04:10<samafk>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320040&cm_re=wireless_usb_adaptor_asus-_-33-320-040-_-Product
04:11<samafk>its a pretty sturdy piece of technology, worked fine on previous OS
04:11<aurelien_>thanks anyway for the help, I'll try to get some help by french people because its little bit hard for me here :)
04:11<gsimmons>samafk: Can you provide the device's USB ID? (lsusb)
04:11<babilen>aurelien_: good luck!
04:11<samafk>debian does not even recognize the device
04:12<aurelien_>thank you babilen
04:12<samafk>however it does recognize normal USB's
04:15<aurelien_>i've got another question, how can i create user with ssh?
04:16<samafk>so gsimmons, any ideas?>
04:16<gsimmons>samafk: We could use the USB-ID detail. Connect the device and run the lsusb command in a console.
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04:24<samafk>so like
04:24<samafk>do i need to instal drivers to debian
04:24<samafk>or is it all like auto configure
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04:30<gsimmons>samafk: A driver for your device (rt2870sta, assuming it is Ralink RT2870/RT3070-based) is available in the Linux kernel as of 2.6.29. If you have installed Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 ("Lenny"), you are required to upgrade your kernel for device support. You can optionally use the vendor-supplied driver, but it is not supported here.
04:31<samafk>how do i upgrade if i can not internet
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04:31<samafk>i got like version 5.04 or something its the newest one
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04:34<gsimmons>samafk: That's a problem you will have to solve (e.g. temporarily use an Ethernet connection, where available). We could do with the USB-ID of your device to confirm the above.
04:35<babilen>samafk: You can also download the new kernel manually from backports (http://backports.org) and install it with 'dpkg -i <kernel_package>'
04:35<babilen>samafk: Using a USB stick or some other removable medium to transfer the package from one box to the other
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04:39<samafk>cool man
04:39<samafk>i just inserted the disc from manufacturer
04:40<samafk>its got like a linux section but the readme says its been tested for redhat
04:40<samafk>would it still work, and how in the world do i install it
04:40<samafk>how does i usb-id
04:40<babilen>samafk: Try installing a newer kernel from backports ...
04:41<samafk>ok, will do
04:42<gsimmons>samafk: You can acquire the device's USB-ID via the "lsusb" command executed at a console.
04:42<samafk>is that an l or an I
04:42<samafk>nvm its an l
04:42<gsimmons>babilen: I suspect 2.6.31 or later is required.
04:43<babilen>gsimmons: :-(
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04:44<samafk>Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
04:44<samafk>Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
04:44<samafk>thats what this lsusb says
04:45<samafk>but theres also device 3, 2 and 1 with 1.1 root hub
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04:46<gsimmons>samafk: Did you connect the device prior to running lsusb?
04:46<samafk>yes
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04:46<samafk>how do i download this kernel thing
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04:52<samafk>http://debian.sil.at/backports.org/dists/lenny-backports/
04:52<samafk>?
04:52<samafk>one of these, hombre?
04:53<Zhila>it's an rt70
04:53<Zhila>you'd need the firmware-ralink packages (or something like that)
04:53<samafk>where can i find this
04:54<Zhila>it's part of the non-free section, which means you need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to get it
04:54<Zhila>or, assuming you can't get to the internet with debian right now, download the deb, then copy over
04:54<samafk>deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free ?
04:54<Zhila>you are running lenny?
04:55<samafk>i believe so
04:55<Zhila>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ralink
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04:57<samafk>why is there no download button
04:57<Zhila>however, if you can connect to the internet with debian, best is to simply add non-free section to your main apt line (usually first one, should be deb http://http.<countrycode>.debian.org/debian lenny main
04:57<gsimmons>Zhila: It isn't a RT73 device (samafk's device is 802.11n, not 802.11g). The referenced package also doesn't contain the appropriate firmware.
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04:58<samafk>802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wireless Adapter U
04:58<Zhila>ah
04:58<samafk>i believe its all 3
04:59<Zhila>oh.... rt2870...
04:59<samafk>the plot thickens
05:00<Zhila>http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta this page says it's part of the firmware-ralink... or is this only for testing/sid?
05:00<Zhila>ah, yes it is
05:00<gsimmons>Zhila: The latter (also lenny-backports).
05:01<samafk>so basically i need to download a recent firmware to update my kernel for my computer to be able to recognize and use my usb wireless adaptor?
05:02<Zhila>samafk: assuming lenny backports has linux 2.6.30, you'd need that, apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-<i686|amd64|whatever_your_CPU_is>
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05:04<samafk>what do you mean whatever my cpu is
05:04<samafk>like my model
05:04<samafk>or 64-bit
05:04<samafk>im running a 32-bit version of deb
05:04<Zhila>then you'd need i686
05:04<Zhila>or is it just 686
05:05<samafk>its i
05:06<Zhila>no... actually it's just 686
05:07<Zhila>linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686
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05:08<samafk>ok
05:08<themill>, versions linux-image-686
05:08<judd>linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+23; squeeze: 2.6.32+23
05:08<themill>It's sufficient to "aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686" if you having the pinning recommended on backports.org so that you then automatically get updated kernels
05:09<Zhila>add non-free to your backport section, then install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686, wireless-tools, and firmware-ralink
05:09<samafk>what do i download
05:09<Zhila>samafk: can your debian machine connect to the internet right now?
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05:10<samafk>n
05:11<Zhila>samafk: do you already happen to have 2.6.29 or greater? (type uname to find out)
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05:12<samafk>brb
05:12<Zhila>that's all I can help, I have to leave now....
05:13<samafk>typed uname
05:13<samafk>comes up with 'linux'
05:13<jmm>samafk: try uname -a
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05:14<Zhila>sorry, forgot, uname -r (or, as jmm said, uname -a works as well)
05:14<samafk>2.6.26
05:14<samafk>-2
05:14<samafk>-686
05:14<Zhila>hmm...
05:14<babilen>samafk: I guess you have to download: http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686_2.6.30-8~bpo50+2_i386.deb - transfer that file to your box and install it with 'dpkg -i <package>'
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05:15<babilen>samafk: It might be that you need to install other packages to satisfy dependencies. Do you have no way to connect to the wired network?
05:15<samafk>how do i do that
05:15<samafk>no way its like 50feet from my router
05:16<samafk>i dont have that long cables
05:16<babilen>samafk: Can't you carry it over?
05:16<samafk>i suppose
05:16<samafk>so your tellind me
05:16<samafk>there is no other way
05:17<themill>usb disk will work
05:17<samafk>excuse me?
05:17<Zhila>samafk: there is another way, but it would be much more difficult
05:17<samafk>tell me of this way
05:17<babilen>samafk: There is another way - download the file and copy it to a USB disk ...
05:17<samafk>im dling that link babilen
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05:17<samafk>ez
05:17<themill>also wireless-tools, and firmware-ralink
05:17<Zhila>you'd have to download the linux image file, then all the other files it depends on, then all the files those dependencies depend on, util there are no more dependencies
05:18<babilen>samafk: I still think it is much easier to just connect that computer to the wired network and install from there
05:18<samafk>so ill basically have to download the internet
05:18<babilen>samafk: :-D
05:18<samafk>ok
05:18<samafk>so lets say hypothetically
05:18<samafk>i do get it to my wired router
05:18<samafk>then i just upgrade my kernel
05:18<Zhila>apt-get and aptitude automatically find all dependencies for you, making it much simpler
05:18<samafk>using..?
05:18<samafk>wowszas
05:19<samafk>that would be useful
05:19<babilen>You would follow:
05:19<babilen>!bpo
05:19<dpkg>backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list>
05:19<Zhila>apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686
05:19<Zhila>well... first... apt-get update
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05:19<samafk>so
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05:19<samafk>apt-get update
05:19<babilen>and then: 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686' and 'aptitude install firmware-ralink wireless-tools'
05:19<samafk>> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686
05:19<samafk>ok, cool
05:20<samafk>one last thing guys
05:20<gsimmons>babilen: No, you need to take firmware-ralink from lenny-backports too.
05:20<samafk>is it worth it?
05:20<babilen>sure
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05:20<themill>Zhila: "/msg dpkg why aptitude" and it's normally preferable to pin bpo appropriately so that you can get kernel updates automatically
05:20<samafk>someone, pastebin
05:20<babilen>samafk: make that: 'aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686 firmware-ralink' and 'aptitude install wireless-tools'
05:21<themill>you can do taht all in one command
05:21<gsimmons>samafk: Again, the USB-ID of your device is useful to know, as Linux 2.6.31 (or later) may actually be necessary for device support.
05:21<babilen>samafk: You can find instructions on how to pin packages from backports in the end of the instructions page on bpo. That will ensure that you get upgrades for the packages from backports.
05:21<samafk>lsusb?
05:21<gsimmons>samafk: Yes. Please pastebin the complete output this time.
05:21<gsimmons>dpkg: paste
05:21<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
05:22<themill>gsimmons: do you have a usb-id to module mapping somewhere? in machine readable form for judd?
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05:23<samafk>http://pastebin.com/d40b300d8
05:23<samafk>please, edit away
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05:23<rootx>hi
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05:23<themill>samafk: edit sources.list then http://pastebin.com/m23bed15f
05:24<babilen>samafk: http://pastebin.com/m7d0e86ff (please also paste lsusb)
05:24<samafk>u guys can paste u knolw
05:24<samafk>edit it
05:24<samafk>update it
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05:25<samafk>lsusb at the end?
05:25<babilen>no - Just let us have a look *before* you do that :)
05:25<gsimmons>themill: No, but that would be most useful. By the way, does judd regularly poll the ModuleToWikipageMap page for changes?
05:25<KingKong2009>how can I configure NetworkManager to auto ifup eth0?
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05:26<themill>gsimmons: twice daily :)
05:27<gsimmons>themill: Excellent, I previously linked snd-cs46xx today.
05:27<samafk>so in following 2 easy tests in terminal
05:27<samafk>i can make my wireless THEORETICALLY work
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05:27<samafk>commands not tests*
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05:28<babilen>That assumes that 2.6.30 is indeed a recent enough kernel. It might be that you need a newer kernel than that which entails that you compile it yourself
05:28<samafk>make your own kernel
05:28<samafk>lol
05:28<KingKong2009>how can I configure NetworkManager or nm-applet to automatically ifup eth0?
05:28<babilen>Please paste the complete output of lsusb with that USB wireless adaptor plugged in
05:29<samafk>but nothing comes up
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05:29<samafk>http://pastebin.com/m3620cdee
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05:29<samafk>thats the entire output
05:29<gsimmons>babilen: The linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-* packages can be installed on a stable system (if necessary), owing to their few dependencies.
05:29<babilen>KingKong2009: Doesn't NM connect automatically to networks you have connected to previously?
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05:30<themill>gsimmons: and judd already knows about it :)
05:30<KingKong2009>babilen, It was working fine till today, I have running of testing for several years but now I have to connect manually
05:31<gsimmons>themill: Hahah, many thanks. :)
05:31<themill>gsimmons: does lenny's udev cope with that kernel? and things that look in sysfs given that the layout has changed?
05:31<babilen>KingKong2009: Have a look at /var/log/daemon.log
05:33<samafk>  ▲
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05:33<samafk>▲ ▲
05:33<samafk>triforce
05:33<themill>gsimmons: usb-id to driver mappings are on the cards for judd, but finding useful data sources and understanding how it all works is proving difficult since driver matching is part id-based and part device-class based.
05:33<gsimmons>themill: Works for me, but as I don't run a DE so I can't comment on the latter.
05:34<themill>gsimmons: fair enough. There were problems with some etch-backports kernels when acpi interfaces changed and suddenly acpi couldn't tell whether the battery was full or empty
05:34<babilen>so, will 2.6.30 be enough?
05:35<KingKong2009>babilen, what should I look for? It started happening after update via Synaptic
05:35<babilen>gsimmons: Why do you think >= 2.6.31 is needed?
05:35<samafk>the manual on the cd says it requires 2.4 or 2.6 kernel
05:35<samafk>i dont know why you people are telling me its kernel related
05:35<babilen>KingKong2009: Is it trying to associate with you AP and failing, or does it not try to associate at all?
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05:36<jm_>you can either trust that people who are helping you know what they are talking about, or stop whining and figure it out on your own
05:36<samafk>D:
05:36<KingKong2009>babilen, whats AP?
05:36<babilen>KingKong2009: access point - your wireless router
05:36<samafk>i do trust you guys but why would asus say 2.4 or 2.6?
05:36<gsimmons>babilen: I don't know for sure (due to no USB-ID provided), I'm going on previous experience with RT2870-based devices. Ask dpkg about dwa140 and see Debian bug #553441.
05:37<KingKong2009>Nope its a wired network, I can connect to it manually if I ifup eth0
05:37<samafk>because they are a cheap chinese based company that major in motherboards and not wireless adaptors? perhaps
05:37<babilen>gsimmons: Hmm - And the 2.6.32-trunk package works fine on lenny?
05:37<KingKong2009>babilen, Nope its a wired network, I can connect to it manually if I ifup eth0
05:38<gsimmons>babilen: FSVO "fine" (see themill's previous comment).
05:38<babilen>KingKong2009: I would not use NM to connect to a wired network. Just configure the network in /etc/network/interfaces and remove NM
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05:39<babilen>gsimmons: Hmm, so what to do?
05:40<KingKong2009>babilen, Thanks I shall try that
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05:41<babilen>Given #553441 and the work put into this problem on #d before it certainly looks like >=2.6.31 is necessary
05:42<samafk>what is the latest version of kernel, babilen , gsimmons
05:42<themill>I'm guessing that there's not much to lose here by experimenting with the squeeze kernel in lenny on this particular box.... :)
05:43<babilen>I concur
05:44<babilen>default release + aptitude install -t squeeze ?
05:44<babilen>or manual install?
05:45<themill>sticking the bits on a usb stick would be easier I guess
05:45<picca>bewre this bug #550562 if you have an ATI RV100 or RV200 graphical card
05:45<picca>s/bewre/beware/
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05:47<samafk>are you people still discussing my dilema
05:48<babilen>yes
05:48<babilen>picca: That *is* quite a nasty one :-\
05:49<picca>yes really
05:49<picca>I am trying to bissect using git to see where is the problem
05:49<picca>but I have a very slow computer
05:50<samafk>babs, what should i DL
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05:53<EmleyMoor>When I try to get my laptop to connect to my wireless network, it logs this message and fails: dhcdbd: message_handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.reason
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05:54<babilen>samafk: http://paste.debian.net/59233/
05:54<samafk>so i just
05:54<samafk>put them into terminal
05:54<babilen>samafk: Install them in reversed order
05:54<samafk>= winrar
05:55<samafk>ok
05:55<samafk>so they're just install packages
05:55<samafk>sort of thing
05:56<babilen>no, you download the .deb files, copy them to a USB stick and install them using 'dpkg -i <package>' on the other box. If you run into dependency problems you have to download the packages dpkg complains about as well
05:56<samafk>sorry but what do you mean by box
05:56<babilen>computer
05:56<samafk>ok.
05:57<samafk>so in the <package> firle
05:57<samafk>field***
05:57<babilen>hmm?
05:57<samafk>i just put the link to the .deb file
05:57<babilen>no
05:57<samafk>what do i
05:57<babilen>You have to download these files and point dpkg to them on the USB stick
05:58<samafk>ok
05:58<samafk>ill get it
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05:58<babilen>I'll be back later
05:58<babilen>good luck
05:58<samafk>thanks everyone
05:58<samafk>ill be back later aswell
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06:01<EmleyMoor>Got the wireless back - not exactly sure how <g>
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06:03<koollman>how would I generate a patch to be included in a debian bugreport ? any specific diff options I should use or not use ? Any specific path ?
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07:26<rbees>last week I upgraded my testing install and my wifi broke
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07:26<rbees>any body else seen this
07:26<mostly_harmless>I'm running sqeeze on a sheeva plug, I see my / has run out of space. not sure what to do. /usr /home and /var are all on other partitions.
07:27<rbees>I usually fire up a live qtparted cd and resize the partitions
07:28<mostly_harmless>yeah, but I curious to know why it's full. seems wrong.
07:28<rbees>my wifi seems to have a disconnect between the driver and the desktop apps
07:28<rbees>how many kernels do you have installed?
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07:29<rbees>my wifi also seems to try to access the wired card (eth1) when I try to connect instead of the wireless card (eth0)
07:31<rbees>I have tried the kde network manager and wicd manager and acouple of others along with cli all with the same results
07:31<rbees>it was working just fine untill the update on sunday
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07:34<themill>mostly_harmless: "aptitude clean" and removing old, unused kernel packages can often help with this
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07:45<CaBa>themill: clean won't change a thing if he has /var on another partition
07:47<themill>CaBa: heh... missed that one. Unusual setup on such a small disk, asking for trouble
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07:48<mfkne>!why is flightgear not in testing
07:48<dpkg>flightgear is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=flightgear
07:48<themill>mostly_harmless: see if you have any unused kernels on your machine. Check the output of: aptitude search '~nlinux-image-2\.6\.~i'
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07:49<krimzon>how do i run any app as another user? i've managed to run gedit as another user but i'm trying to do it for iceweasel
07:50<themill>krimzon: you may need to try the "-no-remote" option as iceweasel looks around to see if there are any other copies running on the same display
07:51<krimzon>ahh, thanks, that works
07:51<CaBa>themill: well the var and home separation always makes sense on many environments... why he had to split /usr i also don't understand :P
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07:52<themill>CaBa: it can make sense, but unless you have disk space to burn you almost always end up regretting it...
07:52<CaBa>themill: and especially on small disks it makes sense
07:52<themill>only if you have an excellent crystal ball
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07:53<krimzon>themill: i also tried for nautilus, which gave a lot of warnings and failed
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07:53<themill>krimzon: no idea what it's problem is (it won't be -no-remote). It's probably trying to find a user d-bus or something for the other user :(
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07:54<krimzon>ahh
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07:54<CaBa>themill: well if you have plenty of diskspace its not as likely that some logfile or users homedir will make your system unfunctional. however, if its likely to happen (as on small drives), the separation is an effective protection
07:54<sildur>Hello
07:55<sildur>I search a Chan about C++
07:55<themill>CaBa: yep, but you always end up with the last little bit of free space in the wrong place
07:55<sildur>in french if it's possible
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07:55<krimzon>and iceweasel is complaining about a configuration server, which i'd guess is a similar problem
07:56<CaBa>themill: well... plan well or consider repartitioning. anyway, except for /boot i use to keep everything within lvm, resizing is not such a pain and anyway rarely needed
07:56<CaBa>sildur: check out freenode. but train your english, you miss 80% of knowledge sources in computer science without fluent english skills
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07:57<CaBa>.oO(damn fresh... too vain to consider another language more useful than their own)
07:58<themill>CaBa: the smaller the disk the more likely you are to hit this problem. I have some hideously old machines where the partitioning layout seemed sensible at the time but with scope creep you end up installing more stuff on it and suddenly everything is full except for /home but you now need to install psql. And before you ask, this particular machine predates LVM...
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07:58<CaBa>themill: :)
07:58<CaBa>well i guess one can argue about pros and cons forever :P
07:59<themill>absolutely. For many machines, I don't bother any more... esp for desktop machines. The user is still going to be able to fill up /home and /tmp (or their quota on them) and most desktop-utils do some great dummy-spits when that happens.
08:01<themill>CaBa: for that specific old machine, I'm replacing it in the next day or two with one that has 150-times the disk space and I will certainly have separate partitions for stuff :)
08:05<CaBa>hehe
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08:10<chanell>ciao
08:10<chanell>!list
08:10<dpkg>chanell: VATTENE VIA
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08:11<CaBa>can someone recommend a store with the highest quality debian shirts? my old one reached the age of 10 and looks kinda creepy :P
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08:16<krimzon>aha, i think i've found something out - i'm doing: gksu -u browser "iceweasel -no-remote"
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08:16<krimzon>sometimes i get the error, sometimes not, and if i get the error it's because gconfd-2 isn't running for the user 'browser'
08:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 378] by debhelper
08:17<krimzon>but gconfd seems to run automatically
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08:19<El>hola
08:19<babilen>hi
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08:26<detly>hey, I'm trying to get data off an HFS partition (it's not in fstab), but the permissions are stopping me from copying some of the data as a normal user — is there a way to mount it from the command line so that I can access everything as my normal, non-root self? this is on squeeze, btw
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08:27<detly>so far I've tried "sudo mount -r -o uid=1000 /dev/sdc2 /mnt/HFSDrive"
08:27<detly>oh, and umask=0444
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08:30<Web-sidux54>hey i want use ran ramdisk partion like "mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /ramdisk -o size=4G,nr_inodes=200k,mode=01777" but its realy sloq
08:30<Web-sidux54>slow, i have 16gb of ddr3 ram
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08:53<KOJIbKA>what can happen if I'll change properties of /var/local/ to Write And Execute for all Others?
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09:04<jmm>KOJIbKA: your computer take fire, and alien catch you for a rectal exam.
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09:19<Phurl>hi all, can you tell me if you my ITP is there? http://pastebin.com/f2b9c2175
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09:23<chrono>can you help me? i cant use keyboard on x, it just dont works. it works on console. i can use startx, but it just stay on x if im root.else i get some x errors.
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09:24<chrono>anyway, even if root, i can't use keyboard.
09:26<chrono>btw i use squeeze amd64. please help me.
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09:41<Phurl>chrono, what are your errors?
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09:42<Phurl>you should have somethign in your ~.xlogs or something like that
09:42<chrono>ill see, wait a sec
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09:43<KOJIbKA>jmm: so far, machine is looking cool... my a$$ is safe. Though you can never tell anything for aliens :D
09:44<jmm>:)
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09:44<jmm>to answer your question still, no it make no problem to have users able to to read/write to /var/local
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09:45<jmm>trough you need to be sure that no suid file remain here.
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09:46<KOJIbKA>loud and clear. any link to start for complete noob looking for exploiting samba or uhmmm ... debian? first I'll do that to my so called network.
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09:47<jmm>KOJIbKA: debian's homepage have nice tutorial for such things.
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09:54<chrono>Phurl: i don't know where is ~.xlogs but my xorg log is http://pastebin.com/f7dbbc624
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09:54<Phurl>lets see
09:55<Phurl>~/.xsession-errors
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09:56<Phurl>chrono, (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device ""AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"" (type: KEYBOARD) ?
09:56<Phurl>did you try any livecd?
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09:58<chrono>Phurl: i have used an ubuntu liveCD yesterday
09:58<Phurl>and?
09:58<chrono>but just because the bug
09:58<Phurl>did it work?
09:58<chrono>the bug started 2 days ago
09:58<chrono>yes, the live CD worked perfectly
09:58<Phurl>ok
09:59<Phurl>so you want to compare your xlogs and configuration between those two
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09:59<chrono>keyboard ever worked well until 3 days ago with the great upgrade
09:59<Phurl>chrono, if you look in your log file
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09:59<Phurl>you will see that you have 3 keyboards
10:00<Phurl>installed
10:00<Phurl>your funky laptop buttons get installed
10:00<Phurl>i would google for those lines
10:00<Phurl>look for this II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device ""AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"" (type: KEYBOARD) ?
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10:00<Phurl>in german there are some hits
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10:00<Phurl>http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=117128&p=744686
10:01<Phurl>setxkbmap -rules evdev -model pc105 -layout de -variant basic -v 8
10:01<Phurl>try that
10:01<chrono>layout en?
10:02<chrono>Cannot open display "default display"
10:03<Phurl>ok
10:03<Phurl>is this file ok? /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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10:05<chrono>yes
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10:07<themill>chrono: you're going to do better in #debian-x but you're going to have to be patient. If you join and part every 5 minutes like you did the other day, no-one will bother even trying to answer.
10:07<chrono>they are already helping me,
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10:08<themill>chrono: excellent. Stick with them for the time being.
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10:14<rex1>hello
10:15<rex1>how come when i connect to a server in debian(lenny) via ( i assume nautilus ) [ Places > Connect to server ] i can create a file but not save ??
10:16<rex1>the ftp user on the receiving server has full access
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10:18<chrono>what is the package name to install mesa?
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10:19<Elessar>rex1: The software you use to modify the file may not support GNOME-VFS integration.
10:19<rex1>its godaddy's 'economy' linux hosting
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10:19<valdyn>chrono: to what end do you need to install "mesa" ?
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10:20<rexx>its for a client, not me, i personally host with debian
10:21<rexx>but im frustrated cause i can't freaking connect to a linux server and work apparently
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10:23<Elessar>rexx: I think you can, but FTP is not designed to work on files, but to download and upload them.
10:24<Elessar>By the way, I strongly suggest you do not use FTP, but rather SFTP.
10:24<valdyn>rexx: with nautilus you can use ssh://user@server.tld/ iirc
10:25<rexx>well, i really enjoy the ease of connecting and being able to work on the files in nautilus via my ftp connection ya know? i code in gedit
10:25<valdyn>rexx: ssh does not make this harder
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10:26<orjan>Hi, I'm using squeeze. The last months I have got problem with X hanging ( i915 intel integrated gpu). Googling it seems that it's caused by putting kms in the kernel. Is there any Known workaround?
10:26<rexx>orjan: try lenny
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10:27<valdyn>orjan: you are using kms?
10:27<valdyn>orjan: no one is forcing you to use kms, and you probably arent anyway
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10:28<locsmif>Hi all. Pasting links with urlencoded things in them doesn't work very well in IceWeasel currently, is this a known issue? URLs get altered, and this results in a 404
10:28<Elessar><http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting>.
10:28<orjan>ok how do I check?
10:28<OdyX>orjan: it's not the kernel, it's xserver-xorg-video-intel
10:28<valdyn>orjan: no need to check
10:28<OdyX>orjan: see the wiki page above ^
10:28<valdyn>orjan: if you did not actively enable kms then its not on
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10:29<orjan>ok I'll read up on thewiki
10:29<rexx>i'd really like to figure out my problem. its got me considering going back to ubuntu.... as much as i dont wanna
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10:30<valdyn>rexx: whats wrong with just using ssh?
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10:30<orjan>valdyn: I googled and the bug reports with similair errors talked about kms
10:30<rexx>i do not believe that ssh is available with godaddy's linux hosting
10:30<valdyn>orjan: im sure i can google for a third 4th and 5th possible cause of your issue
10:31<valdyn>rexx: how the hell would you want to use linux without ssh?
10:31<valdyn>rexx: plain telnet ?
10:31<rexx>idk i just wanna ftp and work as usual ya know?
10:32<valdyn>rexx: please tell us whats so hard about trying ssh
10:32<rexx>i want to browse files with nautilus and double-click open then in gedit
10:32<rexx>them*
10:32<valdyn>rexx: i thought it was already clear that ssh does this
10:33<valdyn>rexx: ssh gives you *more* not less functionality
10:33<rexx>i'm all noobed out, how do i ssh?
10:33<valdyn>rexx: same as you ftp, except that you ssh, all with nautilus
10:33<orjan>valdyn ok, one I found was #551803, it has the same error msg
10:34<orjan>hmm the wiki says, From xserver-xorg-video-intel version 2:2.9.1-2, KMS is enabled by default on Linux, by the way of the file /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf. So from Squeeze on, no hand modification should be necessary anymore.
10:35<valdyn>orjan: i see, thats news for me
10:35<valdyn>judd: versions xserver-xorg-video-intel
10:35<judd>xserver-xorg-video-intel -- etch: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2; lenny: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6; sid: 2:2.9.1-2; squeeze: 2:2.9.1-2
10:36<valdyn>orjan: you can move that file away
10:36<orjan>valdyn, rename it or?
10:38<rexx>how do i connect to a server via ssh with nautilus??
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10:38<valdyn>rexx: the same way as you do with ftp
10:38<valdyn>rexx: i dont get what your problem is.
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10:39<valdyn>judd: versions nautilus
10:39<judd>nautilus -- etch: 2.14.3-11+b1; lenny: 2.20.0-7; sid: 2.28.4-1; squeeze: 2.28.4-1
10:39<slik>can anybody help me with installing awesome window manager..? i am new to linux
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10:40<valdyn>rexx: file -> connect to server -> select ssh where ftp is selected
10:40<petemc>slik: aptitude install awesome
10:40<jiohdi>anyone know how to make the youtube plugin work for totem mplayer?
10:40<rexx>valdyn: attempts using ssh says 'authentication failed'
10:41<rexx>my problem is that i can connect via ftp , i can create a file, i can open it in gedit, but the option to save is not available
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10:41<slik>petemc did that but i get an error message when trying to launch it "E: awesome: xerrorstart:103: another window manager is already running"
10:41<rexx>and i really need to be able to save more than anything
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10:42<valdyn>rexx: we know
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10:43<valdyn>rexx: my problem is that you arent trying to obvious easy fix, which as a sideeffect is even by far the technically superior solution
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10:43<valdyn>rexx: you can try nmap to find out if ssh is being served at all
10:44<rexx>i tried to connect ssh via the [ Places > Connect to Server ] method
10:44<valdyn>rexx: im not sure theres any way to fix nautilus except by patchign the code
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10:44<rexx>and it says authentication failied ( with the same user / pass that is 'primary' with godaddy and works for ftp )
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10:45<valdyn>rexx: in a terminal: run "ssh your_server", see what you get
10:46<rexx>for ssh syntax, does 'your_server' have to be an ip?
10:46<rexx>or can it be the domain name?
10:46<valdyn>rexx: ip or name
10:46<valdyn>rexx: it can
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10:46<rexx>ok
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10:47<rootpower>hi i have some problems with my broadcom driver is this the right place?
10:47<rexx>valdyn: could not resolve host name :[
10:47<valdyn>rexx: how can you be connecting via ftp when the host name cannot be resolved?
10:48<rexx>retrying with 'ssh www.hostname.com'
10:48<rexx>ah
10:48<rexx>ok
10:49<valdyn>rexx: www = hostname
10:49<orjan>Elessar: Thanks for the url to the wiki
10:49<rexx>asking for root@domain.com's password
10:49<valdyn>rexx: "hostname" is a domain name, com is the tld
10:49<valdyn>rexx: why are you being root locally?
10:49<rexx>i dont know root, only the 'godaddy primary user'
10:49<rexx>sigh
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10:50<rexx>i just wanna connect ftp and be able to open / create / save
10:50<Emmanuel_Chanel>Hello, all!
10:50<rexx>i can't connect as root
10:50<rootpower>ssh godabby@hostname.com
10:50<valdyn>rexx: well, we cannot fix the ftp protocol for you or nautilus
10:50<rexx>not an option
10:50<rexx>we should just assume ssh is not an option
10:50<rootpower>then login to root with sudo -s
10:50<valdyn>rexx: try ssh "primary_user@www.hostname.com"
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10:52<valdyn>rexx: a linux server without ssh is almost useless, who would pay for that?
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10:52<rexx>valdyn: i would not, once again , i host with debian from home, once again, this is for a client..
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10:53<father0fnine>If you set up godaddy properly, you have SSH. Use it all the time.
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10:54<rexx>valdyn: permission denied, please try again
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10:54<valdyn>rexx: "permission denied" ?
10:54<rexx>so lets say i wanna do this 100% ftp
10:54<valdyn>rexx: that stupid if ssh is available
10:54<rexx>Permission denied, please try again.
10:55<valdyn>rexx: if its not, we likely cannot fix nautilus for you
10:55<rexx>i understand
10:55<valdyn>rexx: show the whole output of ssh
10:55<rexx>but i haven't had trouble connecting ftp before
10:55<valdyn>rexx: connecting isnt the problem
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10:57<father0fnine>rexx: Have you gone in through the godaddy GUI/Web interface and enabled SSH?
10:58<rexx>i will check
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10:59<gsimmons>rootpower: What specific driver is involved? What are the problems?
10:59<babilen>rexx: and make sure you connect as the correct user. In particular *not* *as* *root*! Try ssh your_user@host.tld ..
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11:00<gsimmons>rootpower: No private messages, please. Describe the issues in the channel.
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11:01<rootpower><rootpower> he sees the driver but in the log he say this
11:01<rootpower><rootpower> b43-phy0 error: Found unsupported PHY
11:01<rootpower><rootpower> b43: probe of ssb0:0 failed with error -95
11:01<rootpower><rootpower> therefor he says the device is found
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11:02<father0fnine>rexx: if so, go to your terminal and type "ssh godaddy_primary_user@domain.com" ... obviously replace "godaddy_primary_user" with your actual primary user name.
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11:02<rootpower>he sees the driver but in the log he say this
11:02<gsimmons>dpkg: tell rootpower -about paste
11:02<mercutio22>godaddy
11:02<gsimmons>rootpower: We saw. What is the PCI-ID of your device?
11:03<rootpower>b43-phy0 error: found unsupported PHY
11:03<rootpower>frimeware id: FW13
11:04<gsimmons>No, the PCI-ID (e.g. lspci -nn | grep Broad).
11:05<rootpower>14e4:4315
11:06<gsimmons>dpkg: tell rootpower -about bcm4312
11:06<Elessar>rexx: FTP is a problem, by itself, with it clear password transmission and its multiple ports. A problem for security and for firewalling.
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11:09<Emmanuel_Chanel>Hello! Is there a package maintainer about namazu? I installed namazu 2.0.20 with squeeze packages on lenny.
11:09<Emmanuel_Chanel>But when I command "namazu -v", it says its version is 2.0.18 .
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11:09<Emmanuel_Chanel>Shall I ask it on the Japanese community of Debian???
11:09<jiohdi>anyone know how to make the youtube plugin work for totem mplayer?
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11:23<rexx>joeboulous@www.pawnjustjewelry.com's password:
11:23<rexx>Connection closed by 97.74.215.112
11:23<rexx>ns2:/home/crex#
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11:25<jmm>meow
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11:28<rexx>eh
11:28<rexx>fuck it
11:28<rexx>ubuntu is like debian + irc - headache = no problems
11:28<rexx>fuck yall
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11:28<petemc>what a cock
11:29*dr|zed coughs.
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11:29<jmm>hehe I find this funny.
11:29<jmm>like when you go to the bus stop, and a homeless without pants laught at you.
11:30<krimzon>what's the /etc/fstab line i should use so that all users can access an ntfs partition?
11:31<Elessar>I think we cannot regret that such guys stay on Ubuntu.
11:31<krimzon>currently i can see the files but can't execute anything
11:31<Elessar>krimzon: Can *access*?
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11:32<Elessar>Oh, well, it may have been mounted with noexec. Or your files may not be executable.
11:32<krimzon>well... actually only i need read write create delete execute
11:32<Phurl>how can I access the bug system log file?
11:32<jmm>krimzon: what are you trying to execute ?
11:32<jmm>just for curiosity.
11:32<Elessar>Delete does not exist, it is write access to the directory.
11:33<Elessar>Phurl: What do you call bug system?
11:33<krimzon>the linux build of darkplaces (quake) on a windows partition
11:33<Phurl>the log file of the mails incoming
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11:33<Phurl>i would like to know if my mail was recieved
11:33<jmm>krimzon: scary.
11:33<Phurl>it has been 4 hours
11:33<Phurl>since I sent it
11:33<Elessar>Phurl: /var/log/mail.info.
11:34<Elessar>krimzon: Can you paste the current mount options of that partition?
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11:34<Phurl>http://pastebin.com/f2b9c2175 Elessar here is my log file
11:34<Phurl>I reported a bug
11:34<Phurl>but have no trace of it
11:34<Phurl>i dont even have a copy of the report
11:34<krimzon>rw,suid,dev,exec,auto,user,async,uid=1002,gid=1002
11:34<Elessar>krimzon: And, by the way, what does a Linux exe do on a Windows partition?
11:34<Phurl>so i would have to type it in again
11:35<krimzon>that's where the data files for it are
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11:35<krimzon>it used to work, then i reinstalled and forgot what my old fstab said
11:35<Elessar>Phurl: You can check you mail queue to see if it is blocked for some reason.
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11:36<Elessar>krimzon: I would rather suggest you to install the Linux build on your normal partition, and, if you need to provide access to data files that are on another partition, to use a symlink.
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11:36<Elessar>krimzon: fmask=000, or something like that.
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11:36<kgb>Anyone know much about typical hardware requirements for a debian website server? I can only find minimum requirements online
11:37<Phurl>Elessar, you mean on my computer?
11:37<Elessar>Phurl: Yes.
11:37<Phurl>there is nothing
11:37<Elessar>Unless you used a relay.
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11:37<Phurl>i did not even setup my mail
11:37<Phurl>on this, I use webmail
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11:37<father0fnine>kgb: the biggest, baddest machine you can con the finance department to pay for :D
11:38<Elessar>kgb: <http://www.fr.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html>.
11:38<krimzon>is there a command to run any executable with any working directory?
11:39<otakup0pe>does anyone have suggestions on an easy way of having debuild compile two architectures in one pass
11:39<kgb>haha, its for a rails app I'm developing at University. I'm looking into getting a VPS for demoing etc
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11:40<kgb>Thanks for the link
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11:40<Elessar>kgb: Maybe you should reconfigure reportbug to use an appropriate relay server.
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11:44<otakup0pe>actually i guess my question is actually how do i use dpkg-genchanges to pull in compiled results from multiple architectures
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11:48<Phurl>ok i just resent my message from gmail to submit@ at least I have a receipt!
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11:55<Phurl>569040@bugs.debian.org is mine! is worked
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12:00<SERGIO>ola
12:00<SERGIO>hello
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12:01<Guest1451>ja
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12:01<Guest1451>no
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12:28<Deliim>l ennui
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12:31<vinicius>how can i avoid creating tons of .htaccess files to protect directories?
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12:32<dr|z3d>vinicius: htaccess files are recursive, or can be.. you only need one to protect a dir and its subdirs.
12:32<beersss>I would like to know if the "there is no dbus session bus that matches the x.org display and so all dbus calls fail and therefore the unique apps also fail" -problem that Aaron J. Seigo descripe in has been solved in sid or testing and if it has not been solved has it then been marked as an RC bug?
12:32<kop>vinicius: Put the restrictions in your apache config file(s) directly?
12:33<vinicius>dr|z3d, i want each dir to have a user
12:33<vinicius>dr|z3d, do i need to create an .htaccess on each one of them?
12:33<vinicius>kop,
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12:33<dr|z3d>If each dir has separate user access, then sure.
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12:34<vinicius>dr|z3d, oh... dammit
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12:37<themill>vinicius: DirectoryMatch can do this for you: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#directorymatch
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12:39<Anthony>hi guys i need some help although im totally new to debian before anyone goes jumping in too soon,
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12:41<sney>Anthony: I've got to run in a few minutes, but what's your question? always give specific information when asking for help here
12:42<Anthony>i have the first cd and im trying to install on a pentium 2 mobo, it loads a 2nd item called initrd.gz and thats as far as installation gets i think "although am not sure pc reboots" but the screen is blank for ages
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12:43<Anthony>do i need to compile my own kernals for this old system, if i do i need to get downloading some ebooks i think and do some reading
12:44<sney>regular i386 should be fine
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12:44<kop>Anthony: No. I just installed on a PII. You may not have enough ram to do a gui. Did you get the intitial screen where it displays the debian logo?
12:44<sney>can't hurt to do some research though
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12:45<Anthony>i did not kop, i dont need a gui tho i intend for this to be a home server and at a later date replace my router, i have 64 MB of ram
12:45*kop is stupidly proud he got it to install with 48MB of ram.
12:45<Anthony>hehe
12:46<Anthony>and il be stupidly proud when i get my head around linux
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12:46<kop>Anthony: Well, with 64M of ram my suggestion for later, when you get the splash screen, is to install only the basic most minimal system and then reboot and install the rest when you're not running off a ram disk.
12:47<sney>last time I saw a lockup at the loading initrd... point it was because the cd download was corrupt/incomplete
12:47<cahoot>Anthony: alt-F2 or such doesn't give a working disply?
12:47<kop>sney: That sounds plausable.
12:47<Anthony>so all i got to do is get to the splash screen
12:47<Anthony>b4 this disk i got the net install disk which is 150 megs insize and that too got stuck at same point
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12:48<Anthony>i also looked up how to do a check some as one post i read suggested and the check sum matched so the download was fine
12:48<Anthony>although thinking on i didnt checksum the cd
12:49<Anthony>you guys think most probable cause is adodgy download or cd write?
12:49<kop>Anthony: uh, Maybe you could type the last couple of lines before it freezes. (But first checksum the cd.)
12:49<Anthony>k will do,
12:49<Anthony>brb
12:49<sney>yes, and also re-seat your IDE cables in the computer, sometimes a loose connection can mess things up
12:49<kop>Anthony: You could also make sure that the drives are not jumpered for cable select, but are explicitly master or slave.
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12:51<kop>Anthony: Finally, it would not hurt to use the install disk to do a memory test. (Best to let that run overnight to be super-duper sure of the result.)
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12:51<kop>Anthony: Long memory test runs can reveal temperature problems.
12:51<kop>Anthony: And blow out the dust bunnies.
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12:53<Anthony>k dvd rom is set to master. and when iload up this comp the memory test takes about a minute abouts its the same every time
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12:54<locklace>also try booting some other cds. having a copy of grml around is always good
12:56<kop>Anthony: There's memtest86+ on the install disk that does a _much_ better job of memory testing, should you need it. This does not feel like a memory problem....
12:57<kop>Anthony: For that matter, make sure the cd you've got boots in another computer.
12:57<Anthony>cool i was looking for a bootable form of linux to mess around with doing commands and what not il get the grml.
12:59<Anthony>at kop il try booting the cd in this comp im on right now. see if i can get as far as the splash screen, first il copy and save this convo as im having trouble keeping all the suggestions in my head
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13:01<chrono>is there any way to make a user use metacity?
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13:01<chrono>im root, but i dont know how can i change my users option form compiz to metacity.
13:02<Anthony>brb
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13:03<goodger>chrono: uninstalling compiz may help, and you can set read-only and owned by root whatever configuration file controls the WM they use
13:06<vinicius>themill, thanks! ill try that
13:06<chrono>well, i am the user. but i dont know how to change my wm from console, since compiz dont run
13:08<vinicius>themill, can i use directorymatch on .htaccess ?
13:08<chrono>goodger: do you know where can i change the wm that an user use
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13:10<kop>chrono: The gdm login screen gives you the option before you login. (I found changing the wm for the gnome desktop to be painful. But changing wm that do their own desktop stuff is easy.)
13:10<chrono>gdm? where is it?
13:11<kop>chrono: It's one of the 3 (usual) programs you can install that give you a graphical login prompt. It's installed by default with the gnome desktop.
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13:12<chrono>kop, ok, i know gdm, but i can´t find the menu that gives me option for change wm
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13:13<vinicius>ok... how can i set htaccess to ask password only to WAN users?
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13:18<E0x>vinicius: maybe this can work
13:18<E0x>http://debian.pastebin.com/m58042410
13:18<E0x>just change the network adress for you local network address
13:18<vinicius>E0x, thanks
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13:19<E0x>vinicius: tell me if it work i never try it
13:19<E0x>i just read the doc of apache
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13:20<vinicius>E0x, ok
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13:21<kop>chrono: IIRC it's called "session". I suppose it's possible that some themes don't display this, but I thought they all did.
13:21<vinicius>E0x, it seems to work
13:21<vinicius>E0x, i must check from outside the network
13:21<vinicius>E0x, wait some
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13:22<vinicius>E0x, it authenticates on WAN, but it doesnt point to the right place
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13:24<Deliim>Test
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13:24<locsmif>Hi all. Pasting links with urlencoded things in them doesn't work very well in IceWeasel currently, is this a known issue? URLs get altered, and this results in a 404
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13:25<Deliim> passer par virtualobx
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13:27<chrono>thank you kop, i have add a new command, metacity --replace to actions.
13:27<chrono>now, all works
13:28<chrono>thank you all guys
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13:28<kop>chrono: Good. (It's all a bit of voodoo to me. I always fumble around before getting it to work.)
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13:30<chrono>xD
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13:35<chrono>kop, stopped working
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13:36<chrono>can you see exactly what is the command that let you choice metacity before login?
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13:36<chrono>if it´s possible for you, so if you tell me the command, i can do it too
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13:38<chrono>wow, i have a new idea, how can i make some command be executed after login?
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13:59<chrono>job is done.
14:00<chrono>thank you all
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14:16<randomnoob>Excuse, can anyone tell me if 55c on all cores is too high a temp for my laptop cpu? (proc/cpuinfo says it is a Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9000 @ 2.00GHz
14:16<randomnoob>)
14:16<cahoot>idle?
14:16<randomnoob>well, with youtube going and firefox
14:16<randomnoob>49c idle
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14:17<randomnoob>I'm worried my fans aren't working, lm-sensors doesnt detect the things at all, and /proc/acpi/thermal_zones has nothing in it, nor does /proc/acpi/fans
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14:18<mercutio22>randomnoob: the temperature is ok I guess, but you can check on wikipedia
14:18<randomnoob>oh really? gah, I didn't even think of that
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14:19<dr|z3d>randomnoob: Check in your bios.. if the cpu gets too hot, you should be able to shut down your pc automatically. You should also be able to monitor fan speed and cpu temp.
14:19<mercutio22>randomnoob: my cores are on 60 Celcius here
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14:20<randomnoob>dr|z3d, hmm, I'll have to check further, the only thing I saw in my bios was 'cpu fan always on' as an option. Then again, I have an HP laptop/bios so its probable 'kept simple' or something
14:20<cahoot>randomnoob: also I think you want to look into /sys, like /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0
14:21<chattr>randomnoob: you could try fiddling with what package cpulimit supplies
14:23<randomnoob>hmm... /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone/cooling_device0/cur_state has a value of 0. I'll try and figure out what that means
14:23<chattr>randomnoob: or packages cpufrequtils and cpufreqd
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14:24<randomnoob>chattr, okay, ty
14:24<chattr>yw
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14:26<randomnoob>hmm, dmesg | grep cooling shows cooling_device0 through cooling_device5
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14:29<retrospectacus>running etch... http://pastebin.ca/1791712 # do those Status and Err lines mean there is a problem??
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14:30<OdyX> !etch
14:30<dpkg>Etch is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support will continue until February 15th, 2010; now is the time to put your Lenny upgrade plans into action, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Also ask me about <oldstable>, <oldstable security>, <install etch>, <etch release notes>. Currently <4.0r8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch
14:30<chaos>what would i use for traffic shaping if i want more than just NIC based?
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14:31<retrospectacus>I know what etch is, thanks...
14:32<retrospectacus>I'm asking if lines 3 and 4 are "a bad thing"
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14:48<OdyX>retrospectacus: my hint was not to tell you about _what_, but more to point its end-of-life, due in 6 days…
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14:49<OdyX>retrospectacus: and these "Status" and "Error lines, are just pointers to explain the labels below
14:50<OdyX>the first column is the Desired, the second is the Status ( N for Not-Installed, I for Installed, …) and the third is the Error (you have none on mailman)
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15:00<Anthony>well im farther along the debian install now after some guys helped me b4 but the graphics was garbled so i hit alt and f2, anyone no what i do next or have a link to a guide of how to install from here on
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15:00<Anthony>i just have a list of built in commands now and a flashing cursor
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15:03<retrospectacus>OdyX: thanks
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15:23<jmut>hi. How can I figure out php package what --configure options were used when building the package?
15:26<grondilu>Hi, I have a wifi ad-not LAN wich is working fine just after I create it. But if I let it idle during a few minutes, it doesn't works that well. For instance, the transfer rate isn't good enough to see movies through network anymore. Plus, if I try SSH, again the rate of transfer is poor and sometimes it even fail. I have to reconfig the interfaces and then it works fine again. What's wrong ?
15:26<grondilu>oops ad-HOC and not ad-NOT
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15:27<grondilu>Hi, I have a wifi ad-hoc LAN which is working fine just after I create it. But if I let it idle during a few minutes, it doesn't works that well. For instance, the transfer rate isn't good enough to see movies through network anymore. Plus, if I try SSH, again the rate of transfer is poor and sometimes it even fail. I have to reconfig the interfaces and then it works fine again. What's wrong ?
15:27<kubyz>re =))
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15:28<geckos>hi
15:28<locklace>!tell grondilu about how to ask
15:29<grondilu>locklace: ??
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15:29<geckos>(gedit:4342): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/local/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory
15:29<geckos> I'm getting this when start a gedit by terminal
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15:30<Lethalman>geckos, you have a local instaalation of gedit maybe
15:30<Lethalman>not by package
15:30<geckos>Lethalman, I install it via aptitude
15:30<geckos>about 5 minutes ago
15:31<Lethalman>or gtk?
15:31<Lethalman>reinstall gtk and gedit
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15:31<geckos>need to stop X to reinstall gtk?
15:31<Lethalman>no
15:31<geckos>ok
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15:33<geckos>libgtk2.0-0 ?
15:34<grondilu>I use Lenny on a EeePC 900. I've configured a wifi ADHOC LAN between this EeePC and my N900 mobile phone (Maemo OS). My problemn is that the quality of the transmission seems to fade if I don't use the connection for some time. Is that normal ?
15:34<geckos>I did it .. and take the same error
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15:35<geckos>A some months ago I make the stupid thing of try to install gtk 2.18 from source files here
15:35<geckos>some bugs appear since then
15:36<Lethalman>geckos, reinstall gtk yes
15:36<geckos>geckos, I did it
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15:36<Lethalman>and remove /usr/local/lib files that belong to your local gtk installation
15:36<Lethalman>or, do you have the sources still?
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15:37<geckos>I have it
15:38<geckos>I do sudo make uninstall
15:38<Lethalman>geckos, ldd `which gedit`
15:39<geckos>searching for a 'Not found'?
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15:39<Lethalman>geckos, ldd $(which gedit)
15:40<geckos>http://codepad.org/bCRiwqzC
15:40<Lethalman>geckos, you don't only have gtk installed manually, but also other parts of gnome
15:40<geckos>my bad
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15:42<Lethalman>geckos, please use jhbuild or garnome in some dir other than /usr/local (e.g. /opt) for installing another version of gnome
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15:44<geckos>Can't I recover my current gnome?
15:44<geckos>o_O
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15:45<Lethalman>geckos, by removing the old one
15:45<Lethalman>errrr
15:45<Lethalman>geckos, by removing your local installation and keep the old one
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15:46<geckos>garnome can remove it for me?
15:46<geckos>and set every thing .. or I need to make this by hand
15:46<Lethalman>geckos, no... I said that for future usage... now I'm saying repeatdly one simple thing: remove your /usr/local installation of gnome
15:46<Lethalman>I don't know whether you still have sources or not, you have to do that or remove /usr/local from your /etc/ld.so.conf
15:47<Lethalman>but I'd suggest cleaning up your /usr/local rather than removing /usr/local for ld usage
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15:52<geckos>Lethalman, sorry man.. I'm realy noob .. there is an right way to do this or just a mean of delete every thing that is related with gnome and is in /usr/local
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15:52<Lethalman>geckos, make uninstall if you have sources or manually remove related files
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15:57<geckos>Lethalman, pango too?
15:58<Lethalman>geckos, yes
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16:01<geckos>sorry my browser don't open yet so I will paste here: ldd $(which gedit) | grep "/usr/local"
16:01<geckos> libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb7a70000)
16:01<geckos> libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb78af000)
16:01<geckos> libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0xb787a000)
16:01<geckos> libpixman-1.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (0xb6f90000)
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16:02<geckos>Lethalman, libpixman and libtasn1 too?
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16:03<Lethalman>geckos, all those listed in your paste with /usr/local
16:03<Lethalman>geckos, they must all be referenced under /usr/lib
16:05<Anthony>can anyone help the debian install of cd 1 now stops at "detecting network hardware" the mobo has no built in lan but i have put in a wireless pci card
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16:07<locklace>Anthony: can you try a backport installer image, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
16:08<Anthony>cheers locklace il check it out now
16:08<geckos>Lethalman, ok, ldd $(which gedit) | grep "/usr/local" gives me nothing
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16:08<Lethalman>geckos, ok hopefully you got your old gnome back working
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16:09<Lethalman>geckos, does running gedit still give you warnings?
16:09<geckos>no
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16:09<geckos>and every thing works fine
16:09<geckos>Lethalman, ty man
16:10<Anthony>locklace: do i just try to install with one of these iso's then, there not in adition to the cd im already using
16:10<Lethalman>geckos, you're welcome
16:10<geckos>where do you figure out the wrong installation?
16:10<geckos>ldd
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16:11<locklace>Anthony: yeah. easiest way is to use them for netinstall
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16:12<geckos>Lethalman, only one last question
16:12<Lethalman>ok
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16:12<Anthony>k i do want to do it in the ways i have been reading about i.e. recompilling the installer with drivers and such. but lol im totally new il just wait until im at that level. hehe
16:13<geckos>Lethalman, when installing a new package from source.. how I know where the old one is installed .. to replace my old version with new and avoid this kind of problems
16:13<locklace>Anthony: you should never need to do that
16:13<Lethalman>geckos, ideally you should not replace something with another thing
16:13<geckos>Lethalman, so?
16:13<Lethalman>you should keep debian and your sources separated
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16:14<geckos>I see
16:14<Lethalman>anyway
16:14<Lethalman>you have 3 chances:
16:14<geckos>aways upgrade from debian repositories !?
16:14<Lethalman>1) install your software with --prefix=/usr (highly unrecommended)
16:14<Lethalman>2) uninstall debian software and install your own (this would lead to uninstalling lots of rdepends)
16:14<simonft>Does anybody here use uzbl? I can't figure out how to close it without killing the process.
16:15<Anthony>locklace: i guess ive misunderstood. i did go out and find linux drivers for my card. so they could be included in the install somehow.
16:15<Lethalman>3) install to another path and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH for that
16:15<Lethalman>4) build your own .deb
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16:15<Lethalman>geckos, I recommend 3 and 4
16:15<geckos>I see
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16:15<Lethalman>geckos, of course, you only need that if you have conflicts... if your software is not already installed, you can install it in /usr/local
16:16<locklace>Anthony: that should virtually never be necessary. instead, os install images should support almost all hardware the kernel supports out of the box, and should be updated when the kernel is
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16:16<Anthony>k
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16:17<geckos>Lethalman, ty for all man
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16:31<kuuh>how do i find out, if an xserver is runing on an machine?
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16:32<sney>kuuh: echo $DISPLAY
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16:32<sney>or, ps aux and look for X
16:32<cesurasean>is there a way to debug apache? i keep getting failed, and im not even using ssl virtualhosts
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16:33<kuuh>sney, thanks.. neither is saying anything bout X :)
16:33<cesurasean>i have something in the logs about ssl, also.
16:33<kuuh>anyways.. should i use VNC or NX
16:34<MaxRebo>I can't get my new debian install to show a graphical screen. Monitor goes "out of range" and I cannot see where in X11 to edit anything to fix it. Any help?
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16:34<cesurasean>http://pastebin.com/f4d403843
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16:37<chealer>MaxRebo: which version do you use?
16:38<locklace>!tell MaxRebo about xorg.conf
16:38<MaxRebo>debian 5.04
16:39<MaxRebo>I have checked my xorg.conf and I don't see any resolutions, only a reference to "Configured Monitor"
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16:39<kuuh>hmpf.. how do i start an x server on a remote VM ;)
16:40<locklace>MaxRebo: you get to add them, along with your monitor's video details. man xorg.conf
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16:43<wozza>kuuh did you try `Xorg -configure`
16:43<MaxRebo>ok so they won't be auto-detected? I normally use SuSE but I am checking out Debian.
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16:44<wozza>or remove xorg.conf altogether and let randr do its work (albeit without prop. drivers)
16:44<kuuh>wozza, i assume if the system doesn't know 'Xorg -configure' there is no Xserver, am i right?
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16:45<wozza>apt-get xserver-xorg
16:45<wozza>apt-get install xserver-xorg
16:45<kuuh>well i assumed that Fluxbox had an dependency
16:46<kuuh>so still vnc or nx?
16:46<MaxRebo>Well I just tried the Xorg -configure and it complained "Server is already active for display 0" I get "Out of range" on my monitor and I have to go to a text-session to do anything
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16:47<MaxRebo>I installed from the KDE CD Debian 504
16:47<raylu>MaxRebo: so kill your X session first. in a tty, run "invoke-rc.d gdm stop" or similar
16:47<chealer>MaxRebo: 5.0.4. Which graphics card do you use?
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16:48<MaxRebo>arg Gigabyte MoBo I think it is an ATI compatible
16:49<MaxRebo>Dont have the doco here at work.
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16:52<maxxe>release date for squeeze?
16:54<MaxRebo>gigabyte ga-ma785gm-us2h mobo Integrated ATI Radeon HD4200 graphics (DirectX10.1)
16:55<chealer>!wwsr
16:55<dpkg>Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>
16:57<MaxRebo>Shouldn't the install CD have given me a working X system?
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16:58<chealer>MaxRebo: which video driver is X trying to use?
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17:00<bja>!pie locklace
17:00*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
17:01<locklace>!beer bja
17:01*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Yuengling Lager for bja
17:02<Anthony>ive installed the custom lenny, and it gets further than cd1 but near the end of the network detect part it hangs again. any ideas anyone
17:02<MaxRebo>chealer where do I find this?
17:02<kop>Anthony: Ah. No worries. Check out what Alt-F4 says in the logs and tell us.
17:02<locklace>Anthony: maybe there's a problem with your network card. try physically reseating it and check your bios settings too
17:03<sney>MaxRebo: the installer tries, but some systems are too new or too weird for it to always work. The more information we get when this happens, the more it will work in the future.
17:03<Anthony>i tested this card in another comp b4 i started this it worked fine, il get the logs now
17:03<MaxRebo>understood.
17:03<kop>Anthony: Also, if it's not PCI it could be jumpered wrong for interrupts.
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17:03<MaxRebo>I know the problem is prolly the screen refresh rate
17:04<Anthony>its a pci card but i cantget at the logs its totally locked
17:04<chealer>MaxRebo: in X's log
17:04<locklace>MaxRebo: man xorg.conf; seriously
17:05<locklace>MaxRebo: look for entries like VertRefresh, HorizSync and ModeLine
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17:05<MaxRebo>my xorg.conf is nerfed and contains NOthing
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17:05<kop>Anthony: Well, there's halting earlier in the process and doing Alt-F2 and typing "lspci" so we can see what card it is. (I think lspci is included.... It is eventually, but maybe needs the network....)
17:06<MaxRebo>its about 40 lines and everything is generic
17:06<maxxe>noobs
17:06<locklace>that's why you have to add things
17:06<chealer>MaxRebo: not necessarily. Debian doesn't support everything. In particular, Debian stable doesn't necessarily support new hardware.
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17:06<kop>Anthony: Do you know exactly what card it is?
17:06<MaxRebo>checking my var/log/xorg
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17:07<Anthony>its a realtek 8185 pci wireless
17:07<kop>Anthony: There's also "dmesg | more" in alt-f1.
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17:08<kop>!tell Anthony about rtl-wifi
17:08<chealer>dpkg: no, when will squeeze release is <reply>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule was done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html
17:08<dpkg>okay, chealer
17:08<Anthony>oh no this is not good is it?
17:08<kop>Anthony: It seems the rtl8187se is not supported. The 8187 is.
17:09<kop>Anthony: Oops. The 8185 is supported.
17:09<Anthony>lol
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17:09<Anthony>thats good
17:10<Anthony>so do you want me to redo the installation and try and get the logs before it hangs?
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17:10<bwampler>I'm doing an fai install and want to get the default package list used by the debian net install cd, do you guys know how to get that list?
17:10<Anthony>btw after locklace suggestion im trying to install with the custom lenny
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17:10<kop>Anthony: But I don't know wifi. Or why it might lock up. Check on the debian wiki? Somebody here must be better eqipped to help.
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17:11<MaxRebo>PCI:*(1:5:0) ATI Technologies Inc unkown chipset (0x9710) rev 0, Mem @ bla bla bla grr
17:11<kop>Anthony: "custom lenny"? Let me look back and see.
17:11<Anthony>k ta kop, btw the prob i had earlier was a cmos checksum error and i totally missed it, looked in the mobo and the bios jumper was not set as it was missing. hehe
17:12<kop>Anthony: Ah. kumuto.
17:12<kop>Anthony: Good to know what happened.
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17:13<Anthony>the card does have linux drivers that come from the site is there anyway to load them in first before i start the debian installation
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17:13<kop>Anthony: I don't know about wireless and installation at all. The stock installer kernel should have support for your chipset, but maybe the installer does not do wireless? If it does then expert mode would let you turn it on.
17:13<Anthony>k
17:13<kop>Anthony: You always want to use the in-kernel drivers where possible for best support and reliability.
17:13<sney>the installer does wireless, but it doesn't do encrypted wireless
17:13<Anthony>oh
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17:14<Anthony>my router is currently set on wpa2 psk
17:14<Anthony>il check out the link you sent me for more info
17:14<sney>yep, that'll stop it
17:14<kop>sney: And his lock up? What's with that? He says Alt-F4 does not work.
17:14<locklace>sney: the kmuto image can
17:14<sney>oh? WPA2 even? cool
17:15<sney>I thought the lockup was his cmos issue
17:15<Anthony>hehe should i turn off all encryption?
17:15*sney reads up
17:15<kop>sney: This is a new lockup that happens when network is configured.
17:15<cesurasean>ok, i have found the problem is with my ssl setup. here is my output someone can take a look and help you. - http://pastebin.com/f5bc9ee5d
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17:16<MaxRebo>It looks like it finally loaded a generic Vesa driver
17:16<kop>Anthony: A PII with wireless? I guess there's something for everybody.
17:16<sney>probably a PCI card :P
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17:16<kop>sney: That makes sense.
17:17<cesurasean>anyone know why apache is rejecting my keys and certs? please help.
17:17<sney>cesurasean: try in #apache on freenode
17:17<Anthony>its a question of economics i dont have a penny to my name right now and all i need it for is to log into the home server
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17:17<kop>Anthony: Any sound cards to remove? (Or maybe turn off in the bios?)
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17:19<Anthony>i dont think so but id have to check more, il just search google now
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17:20<locklace>i stand by the suggestion to reseat the card and double-check the bios
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17:23<Anthony>theres no option at all for sound in the bios and nothing in the manual so i can only assume my mobo does not support a internal sound card and i have not added one
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17:23<locklace>what
17:23<Anthony>locklace: sorry to ask again but check the bios for what
17:23<sney>Anthony: no ports on the back?
17:24<Anthony>il reseat the card
17:24<locklace>when did sound come into this
17:24<flixh>todays update to nm broke my knetworkmanager applet, anybody got an idea who to get my wlan connectivity back?
17:24<flixh>flixh: squeeze that is
17:24<sney>kop suggested removing/disabling other PCI devices and I agree
17:24<Anthony>locklace: kop suggested to disable sound if i had it
17:24<sney>especially if they aren't being used
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17:26<MaxRebo>so nothing? How do I force a lower refresh rate since it is not available in xorg.conf?
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17:28<locklace>MaxRebo: dude, i've been telling you to read man xorg.conf for the last two hours. if you'd done that you would have seen that you can configure whatever video parameters you want
17:28<locklace>!tell MaxRebo about modeline
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17:29<flixh>ah, never mind, just found the bug in the bts, downgrading now
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17:29<sney>I think the refresh rate is set as a HorizSync or VertRefresh parameter in the Monitor section of xorg.conf
17:29<Anthony>ok ive reseated the card and put in cd1 now
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17:33<MaxRebo>Well I didn't want to have to fully populate an empty xorg.conf. I know what it is and it seems that it is no used
17:33<MaxRebo>not*
17:34<locklace>it's used if it's there, and you need to populate it with your video settings if autodetection fails
17:34<Anthony>when i hit alt plus f4 how do i get it to resume?
17:34<MaxRebo>ok thx
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17:36<chealer>Anthony: get what to resume?
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17:37<Anthony>i hit f4 while installing debian near where it crashed last time so i could get the logs, only i wanted to resume it
17:38<rbees>sunday last I udated Preparing to replace network-manager-kde 1:0.7~~svn941706-2 (using .../network-manager-kde_1%3a0.7~~svn941706-2_amd64.deb) ... and now my wifi won't work
17:38<rbees>any ideas?
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17:43<rbees>the b43 driver is installed and loaded in the kernel
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17:43<rbees>the wired connection works fine
17:44<rbees>if I take the wired nic down and then try to bring up the wifi nic the desktop icons show the wifi nic trying to access the wired nic to get dhcp
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17:44<rbees>have tried a couple of different front ends all with the same result
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17:45<rbees>and cli as root will not make it connect
17:45<rbees>any ideas?
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18:08<beeman_nl>hmmm i see a big difference in font smoothing in Debian compared to Ubuntu
18:09<beeman_nl>is there something I should install to get me drool over my fonts again?
18:09<beeman_nl>or is noone actually using debian as a desktop OS :P
18:10<sney>anything that ubuntu does can also be done in debian
18:11<beeman_nl>should be so... that's why i'm wondering what i'm missing... :)
18:11<beeman_nl>i notice that debian has a lot less stuff that ubuntu has default, but that may be its charme :)
18:12<sney>yeah there is probably just some package you're missing, I'm not sure what X/gnome/etc uses for font smoothing but it should be googleable
18:13<beeman_nl>haven't really found anything useful, that's why i got here...
18:13<beeman_nl>the most things i found are from several years ago, when font smoothing was far from default
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18:14<bja>beeman_nl: if you have a the ubuntu machine, you can get all the programs installed on that machine into a file, then diff it whith the ones you have on debian, it should give you a hing
18:14<bja>s/hing/hint
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18:14<beeman_nl>bja: that might be an option, thanks :)
18:14<sney>it's probably handled by freetype in one way or another, though
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18:19<beeman_nl>hmmm looks like i need to patch some libs :( http://sites.google.com/site/quanli/davidturner%27slcdcleartype-likepatchesandpackagesfordebiansid
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18:21<sney>I've never bothered with font antialiasing but it should be easier than that
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18:21<sney>maybe #xorg on irc.freenode.net would know
18:21<beeman_nl>should is the magic word there, i'm afraid...
18:21<beeman_nl>The subpixel hinting implementation in freetype2 might infringe Microsoft's ClearType patents, which is why it is disabled both upstream (by the freetype2 authors) and in the freetype2 RPM packages that ship with openSUSE.
18:21<beeman_nl>this is probably the issue
18:21<retrospectacus>beeman_nl: font smoothing is right there in "Appearance Preferences"
18:22<beeman_nl>retrospectacus: that's not the smoothnes i got in Ubuntu :)
18:22<beeman_nl>it's a major difference
18:22<sney>ahh yeah if there's a patent issue then debian won't have it by default. it might be in non-free or contrib, though
18:22<retrospectacus>even in the "details..." dialog?
18:23<beeman_nl>retrospectacus: yeah, i set it just the way i set my other machines, still looks nothing like how i would like it :)
18:23<beeman_nl>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=38534&start=15 might check this out :)
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18:29<beeman_nl>thanks for the support guys, i'll figure this one out later :)
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18:34<bwampler> is there a meta-package with the default debian packages you get on an install by clicking desktop/ standard/ server/ etc?
18:35<bja>Stupid dns question, what is the line i have to append to /etc/resolv.conf to add a dns server
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18:36<bja>forget it, found it :)
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18:51<vhann>Is there a way to get sshd to allow connecting from any computer on a selected user but only allow pubkey authentication for other users?
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18:59<jdeka>vhann: Take a look at the 'Match' directive in the sshd_config man page. Try disabling password auth globally and allowing it for that user in a Match directive.
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19:04<vhann>jdeka: I'll check that. But is there any other, more secure way of allowing any pc access?
19:04<jdeka>I'm not sure what you mean. SSH allows connections from any machine by default.
19:04<jdeka>At least in debian
19:05<vhann>jdeka: Well, I want something similar to pubkey except for the need of a private key
19:05<vhann>Or rather
19:05<vhann>with a private key that can be used from any pc
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19:06<vhann>I'm also checking challenge-response, but that seems to need external PAM modules
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19:07<jdeka>Oh, OK. Pubkey auth works that way by default. It will only be restricted to a specific host if you provide a "from" statement in the user's authorized_keys file.
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19:08<hellyeah>getü
19:08<hellyeah>,sorry
19:08<hellyeah>hey
19:08<hellyeah>http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15342
19:09<vhann>jdeka: So, I should delete the '== user@host' at the end of the line?
19:09<hellyeah>how can i fix this error
19:09<hellyeah>pls help me
19:10<jdeka>No. the == is actually part of the key, and the user@host is just a comment to remind you what the key belongs to.
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19:10<jdeka>If there is nothing that looks like from="<IP>" at the beginning of the line, it should allow access from any host.
19:10<vhann>jdeka: Wait, "user's authorized_keys file": is that on the server or on the client?
19:11<jdeka>That's on the server
19:11<jdeka>Usually at $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys
19:11<vhann>jdeka: Hum nice, I'll try that
19:13<vhann>Thanks btw
19:14<jdeka>np
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19:15<two>sup?
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19:17<two_camels_in_a_tiny_car>I dont even like vaginas
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19:28<zem>hi
19:29<zem>i just installed debian stable and there is no sound, everything seems fine, but no sound at all
19:30<zem>if i run alsaconf as root i get "Volume Control" has quit unexpectedly
19:30<hellyeah>pls
19:30<hellyeah>someone help
19:31<retrospectacus>!errors
19:31<dpkg>If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too.
19:31<hellyeah>http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15342
19:31<hellyeah>i can nıot initializ compiz
19:32<retrospectacus>hellyeah: you should ask #compiz on irc.freenode.net, they will be more likely to have your solutions
19:32<hellyeah>hmm
19:32<hellyeah>i have one other problem
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19:32<hellyeah>may be you can answer
19:33<hellyeah>how can i fix that
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19:33<hellyeah>Window manager warning: Failed to contact configuration server; some possible causes are that you need to enable TCP/IP networking for ORBit, or you have stale NFS locks due to a system crash. See http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ for information. (Details - 1: Failed to get connection to session: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply t
19:33<hellyeah>imeout expired, or the network connection was broken.)
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19:33<retrospectacus>not me
19:33<retrospectacus>someone here may know about that
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19:36<retrospectacus>appears to be the same problem as your compiz problem.
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19:38<hellyeah>hmm
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20:29<UselessWolf>heyho
20:29<UselessWolf>anyone know a better cp than ispcp`?
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20:46<Anthony>ok i pulled out the wireless card and it installs for quite a bit then hangs at the "Installed Locales" part of the installation
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20:46<Anthony>what the hell is it now
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20:48<dbuebe> How do I turn on logging in a DHCP3 server?
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20:49<UselessWolf>o.o
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21:04<musca>UselessWolf: a short websearch may lead you to syscp
21:04<UselessWolf>is syscp good?
21:05<UselessWolf>i am doing websearch
21:05<UselessWolf>but i couldnt figure out whats a really good one
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21:09<musca>UselessWolf: do you speak german?
21:09<UselessWolf>is my english that bad ;D
21:09<UselessWolf>but yes i do ^^
21:10<musca>UselessWolf: http://www.wewota.de/webspace-server-f15/syscp-vs-rest-welt-t116/p1.html
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21:14<UselessWolf>danke
21:14<musca>gerne
21:14<UselessWolf>das ist mal nen guter vergleich ^^
21:14<abrotman>!de
21:14<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
21:15<UselessWolf>okay
21:15<UselessWolf>thanks that helps a lot musca
21:15<UselessWolf>better?
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21:19<vantage>hi all, I'm having all sorts of issues with lvm and grub2. I'm running sid and on my latest upgrade grub2 started throwing errors and wouldn't boot. So I booted off a live CD, chrooted my drive, re-ran grub-install and it fixed it. Now it boots, but can't find my LVM on any kernel above 2.6.29. 2.6.29 works and finds my root lvm, but the lvm tools no longer work (lvdisplay, etc).
21:19<vantage>Any idea about what's changed in grub?
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21:20<vantage>I was using 2.6.31 prior to the upgrade (which also installed 2.6.32). But that and 2.6.30 no longer boot, however, 2.6.29 does...
21:20<vantage>I get "unable to find lvm" on the newer kernels
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21:21<vantage>under 2.6.29 the device is in /dev/mapper and mounts no problem.
21:21<abrotman>vantage: known issue, i think... check the BTS
21:21<abrotman>!dbugs 567637
21:21<dpkg>DONE:#567637:G[grub-pc] grub-probe: error: unknown filesystem -- fails to boot from ext3 (); Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:30:02 UTC [567618 568777]
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21:22<chiqui>help
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21:23<chiqui>request i/o error in my hard disk
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21:23<chiqui>/dev/sda9
21:23<chiqui>i dont know what mean
21:23<chiqui>help
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21:29<vantage>abrotman: I'm using the "fixed" version, but the issue I'm having seems different as well
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21:30<vantage>abrotman: wait, maybe not
21:30<chiqui>hey please
21:30<abrotman>hey please ?
21:31<abrotman>chiqui: normally, that means the device is failing
21:32<chiqui>abrotman: when i type aptitude update he says error i/o request
21:32<chiqui>i cant execute any command
21:33<abrotman>chiqui: very bad
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21:35<chiqui>i dont know why that happened because like a week all was funtional
21:35<chiqui>my english is soo bad
21:35<chiqui>sorry
21:35<streuner>chiqui: sid?
21:35<chiqui>streuner: lenny
21:38<blackdream>hello everyone ,I need some help,how can I mount my ext4 filesystem?I found that debian can't read my ext4file system.
21:38<blackdream>debian 5
21:39<abrotman>chiqui: it really implies a hardware issue
21:39<abrotman>blackdream: it can .. but not with the .26 kernel in lenny .. /msg dpkg bpo
21:39<chiqui>there is no chance that my OS do that damaged to my device?
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21:41<streuner>chiqui: happend to me onces, because of a wrong driver which i made myself (kernel)
21:41<abrotman>i have no idea what the device is .. i suppose it's possible your floppy drive turned into a laser and burned a hole through your HDD .. but i'm no physicist ...
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21:41<blackdream>I install "ubuntu" with second hardisk,and the filesystem is all "ext4".....
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21:42<chiqui>is a serial ATA maxtor
21:42<abrotman>so .. not a laser ..
21:42<blackdream>but debian can't read it...
21:42<abrotman>blackdream: i told you what to do
21:43<streuner>chiqui: do you have smartmontools installed?
21:43<chiqui>he says error and cant mount him
21:43<chiqui>that tool
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21:44<blackdream>have to back to ubuntu...T_T
21:45<chealer>blackdream: you'd need to use a Linux version with ext4 support. you probably want a 2.6.30 backport.
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21:46<blackdream>when I install the 2.6.32.* kernel......I can't boot my debian with the newest kernel......
21:47<chiqui>when i start the server he says
21:47<blackdream>I install *.deb
21:47<blackdream>from the http://kernel.ubuntu.com
21:47<chiqui>WARNING about a S.M.A.R.T.
21:47<abrotman>!tell blackdream about bpo
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21:59<blackdream>XD.....backports.....thank U
21:59<blackdream>I'm sorry my english is poor........thank U very muck....XD
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22:43<bombadil_>is there any way to make a program use multithreading, or must the program be written for it specifically?
22:44<bombadil_>nevermind
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