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00:07<dpkg>hello, d3co
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00:08<d3co>I just installed the emacs
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00:09<d3co>someone have a manuals about it?
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00:19<sney>d3co: man emacs
00:21<sney>there is also
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00:28<d3co>do you know another?
00:29<d3co>its very cool, I'd like know it
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00:56<h725>hello, is there a specific channel where i can ask NUT ( related questions?
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01:00<gsimmons>h725: If there is one, it's not well published. You can try asking on the nut-upsuser mailing list, or here if your question is Debian related.
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01:02<h725>gsimmons: no the question is device related, I don't know which driver talks to my HP T750 UPS over the serial connection, google only has hints on USB
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01:05<gsimmons>h725: According to (NUT development version), it's usbhid-ups.
01:06*h725 wonders if usbhid-ups works with serial (not USB connections)
01:06<h725>does not ... as expected
01:07<h725>I guess I just have to buy a USB cable for that task
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01:09<bombadil__tom>hi, is there a way to make the screen resolution automatically change when a specific application is launched, and then reset it when it's closed?
01:09<bombadil__tom>i'm using Gnome
01:11<cahoot>bombadil__tom: run the app from a script that calls xrandr before/after?
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01:12<bombadil__tom>good idea, i'll check into xrandr
01:12<bombadil__tom>thanks cahoot
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01:17<User_007>sorry, is there any way to clean my /var/lib/dpkg/status ?
01:18<jm_>clean how?
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01:18<User_007>clean like in : take off the things i don't use anymore.
01:18<User_007>or create a new one
01:19<jm_>yeah people posted about removing old entries last year
01:20<User_007>where can i find it?
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01:34<User_007>jm_, humm, not happened at al...
01:35<User_007>my dpkg still slow...
01:35<jm_>no surprise there with shitloads of files to read etc.
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01:42<snogglethorpe>still, it's an annoying bottleneck... everything else about installation is pretty fast these days, so the looong "reading status" seems excruciatingly slow by comparison
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01:43<jm_>yeah but probably not worth spending effort on this if say SSD drives fix the problem
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02:01<snogglethorpe>after all, everybody will have an SSD drive within 15-16 years...
02:02<jm_>i am not so pesimistic, I'd say 3 years from now
02:02<snogglethorpe>hm, that seems very unlikely...
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02:03<snogglethorpe>after all, for most purposes, rotating disks are just fine, and people like the massive sizes
02:03<snogglethorpe>and there's lots of infrastructure devoted to them, etc
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02:03<snogglethorpe>if somebody invents a super duper _cheap_ ssd, then yeah, maybe things will speed up
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02:22<mihamina>hi all, I would like to install exim4 without being prompted for it's configuration: what "apt-get install" option should I provide?
02:23<dpkg>[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also and
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02:33<heffay>I need some help figuring out what up with this webcam. It's a Microsoft VX-1000 and made and installed a gspca module from source. video quality is terrible im on lenny 64bit
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02:40<snogglethorpe>any recommendations on a library to read/write BMP files, which isn't one of these huge bloated "every image format" libraries?
02:40<snogglethorpe>(e.g., something comparable to libpng or libjpeg)
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02:41<Lantizia>snogglethorpe: bmp is so basic it might be easier to write one yourself
02:42<Lantizia>snogglethorpe: I've known people to write excel vba speadsheets that can write BMP files based on data in the spreddy lol
02:42<snogglethorpe>Lantizia: yeah that's what people say, but actually it seems pretty annoying, since BMP is really like 47 different formats all kind of bunged together with chewing gum
02:43<snogglethorpe>reading a single specific bmp format probably is pretty easy but actually handling all the random crap seems more annoying
02:43<snogglethorpe>(maybe in practice everybody uses the same sub-format but i don't really knwo)
02:44<snogglethorpe>hm, doesn't that fall into the "giant bloated do everything library" category?
02:45<Lantizia>apparently that started out -just- doing BMP according to the initial mailing list it was posted on
02:45<Lantizia>I don't see anything saying it's supporting anything more than that
02:45<Lantizia>just because it doesn't have BMP in the same doesn't mean it's not what you want
02:46<snogglethorpe>Lantizia: sure that's true, but i thought svgalib was actuallly a general library for doing all sorts of gfx... well i'll look at it anyway
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02:47<snogglethorpe>(should implement dynamic loading, then maybe bloated libraries wouldn't seem so scary)
02:47<Lantizia>heres the initial post by the author...
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02:48<snogglethorpe>hm, installyb "libsvga1-dev" takes 1.75MB...
02:48<snogglethorpe>maybe I can just steal their bmp reading code
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02:55<justgreg>i don't know if anyone is up right now but i need help superbad
02:55<justgreg>there is a big problem with my computer
02:56<justgreg>i think i got a virus or a bad update or something
02:56<justgreg>cause it seems all my displayed text is wingdings or some forign language
02:57<justgreg>i checked to make sure my settings were still united states inglish at startup and i see no problem there
02:57<justgreg>weird thing is when i type it shows the weird symbols but after i hit enter it shows up as american inglish lettering
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02:58<justgreg>i fuck
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02:59<jm_>congratulations at failing to troll
02:59<jm_>or on or whatever
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03:15<hollo>hi.. i have some problems getting java to work in my firefox, i have tried for a couple of hours.. i have copied the file to the right location.. and tried 2 different versions.. are anyone experienced with this?
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03:15<jm_>you don't need to copy anything, just install *-plugin package
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03:16<jm_>and verify things are set correctly with update-java-alternatives
03:16<jm_>!java alternatives
03:16<dpkg>Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun".
03:16<hollo>jm_, hmm.. okay, i will try to remove everything i have about java and the just install the plugin file and see
03:16<jm_>hollo: no need to do that, see above
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03:17<hollo>jm_, just that all guides tell me that i have to copy something into the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins path.. sorry, wait a sec.. :)
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03:35<hollo>jm_, hmm.. as simple as that :/ it still does not work.. a simple application as gives me something like: load: class MyAddress.class not found.
03:36<jm_>hollo: does about:plugins show java? which browser is this?
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03:37<hollo>jm_, its firefox.. hmm.. in the top there is plenty of entried with java which say enabled for everything
03:37<jm_>hollo: you mean iceweasel?
03:37<hollo>jm_, sorry.. sure
03:37<jm_>hollo: what should it show, eth* and its IP?
03:37<hollo>jm_, yes, you global and interal ip addr
03:37<jm_>hollo: WFM
03:38<hollo>jm_, just this application is just the most simple test that i have
03:38<jm_>hollo: heh I usually used LED scroll - what does it show for java in about:plugins? is java enabled in edit->preferences->content?
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03:38<dpkg>wfm is probably Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual?
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03:39<hollo>jm_, ah.. wiki couldnt tell me that explanation :)
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03:40<hollo>jm_, hmm.. but there is about 30 entries with java :/ anything more specific.. but i can tell you that some of the versions in the list match the version i expect to run /stable/ 1.6.0_12
03:40<jm_>hollo: that sounds OK, how about the other question?
03:40<hollo>jm_, and yes.. java is enabled too.. i love when the problem is that simple :)
03:40<hollo>jm_, sorry, there was a bit of a lag to my brain.
03:41<hollo> File name:
03:41<hollo>if that has anything to say about java..
03:41<hollo>but.. all guides says that i have to make a symlink for a lib in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins.. dont you think i have to do that?
03:41<hollo>jm_, eventho i have tried to have in in there and also where its removed
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03:42<jm_>hollo: naah, the -plugin package and update-java-alternatives take care of that - are you using sun-java?
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03:42<hollo>yes. * 2 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java 63 manual mode
03:42<hollo>from my update-alternatives
03:43<hollo>the other one is openjdk.. and i have heard that _could_ be a bit buggy
03:43<jm_>ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
03:43<jm_>ls -l /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
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03:44<hollo>jm_, yes i have such plugin
03:44<jm_>hollo: and it points to sun's plugin?
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03:45<hollo>it leads to /etc/alternatives/ which leads me to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/lib/i368/
03:45<hollo>jm_, and this path does exists.
03:45<jm_>same as here
03:45<hollo>jm_, which version do you use?
03:45<jm_>hollo: 6-12-1
03:46<hollo>Version: 6-12-1
03:46<hollo>and same here.. hmm..
03:46<hollo>hmm.. perhaps... 2 sec
03:48<hollo>hmm.. i just tried to mv /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ /tmp&& ln -s /usr*......../ /usr/lib/mozaille/plugins/
03:48<hollo>but.. now.. is still loaded.. how do i get rip of it?
03:48<hollo>jm_, i would like to force my other module to be loaded?
03:49<jm_>hollo: you can create a symlink in ~/.mozilla/plugins
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03:49<jm_>so you don't mess up with system wide files managed by packages (=debian)
03:50<hollo>it did not work..
03:50<jm_>does java work at all? try some stupid applet in command line
03:50<hollo>but now.. the libjava* it in top.. before the libjn**.so was in top..
03:51<jm_>I hope it's not some i386 machine with lots of RAM
03:51<hollo>jm_, uhmmn.. some stupid applet :/ dont have any.. 2 secs just have to google
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03:53<hollo>mh@debian:~/Downloads/FreeTree$ java -jar FreeTree.jar
03:53<hollo>Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from
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03:54<hollo>hmm.. how difficult can it be to find some valid applet
03:54<jm_>heh let me try to find something
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03:59<hollo>not even a simple hello world is easy to find
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04:01<hollo>ahaa.. it executes just fine.. print a fine little Hello, World! in the console
04:02<jmm>um I mean hi.
04:02<hollo>mh@debian:/tmp$ java -version
04:02<hollo>java version "1.6.0_12" with the same version i expect
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04:02<jm_>hmm try to enable java console
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04:07<hollo>nice.. cannot find any addon which is compatible with my version of iceweasel..
04:08<hollo>what the ... is going on with this java stuff
04:08<jm_>did you try any other applets?
04:09<hollo>oh i have the console right here.. i just have to click on the java errorr.. and i will bring the console open..
04:09<hollo>and i get some error.. load: class MyAddress.class not found.
04:09<hollo>java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: MyAddress.class
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04:10<hollo>jm_, no.. i only tried this hello world.. i can go on and see if there are any more advanced..
04:10<jm_>hollo: no I meant browser applets
04:11<hollo>jm_, oh, yes i have a netbank which does not work neither.. and i have tried some games which does not work neither..
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04:13<hollo>jm_, i also found some java verification test on java's homepage.. which i can try to find the error from again
04:15<EmleyMoor>In OpenOffice Calc as present in lenny, how do I "lock" a row so that it effectively contains column headings which remain on the screen and are not sorted?
04:15<hollo>jm_, hmm.. well the test just return some docs which i have tried and a java applet error just as all the other pages i have tried to visit :)
04:18<jm_>hollo: hmm I'm affraid I am clueless about java and what else to try
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04:19<hollo>jm_, yeh.. that nice you gave it a shot.. i really dont know what the is caursing the problems :/ 32bit system.. testing dist.. fully updated.. eventho i have downgraded java to stable..
04:20<hollo>well.. it could be because of the testing dist.. but dont really think so..
04:20<craigevil>hollo: if you are on testing or unstable take a look at
04:24<hollo>craigevil, hmm.. interesting
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04:34<hollo>craigevil, hmm.. will i have to restart in order to make the changes in /etc/sysctl.conf be loaded.. or is a sysctl -p enough?
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04:35<craigevil>hollo: -p should be enough, although doing that didnt work for me, i had to edit the line in .java to get it to work
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04:36<hollo>craigevil, hey.. i just changed the file, and now my entry has been removed.. :/
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04:38<craigevil>hollo: uncomment the line in /etc/sysctl.d rather than adding it to /etc/sysctl.conf, that didnt work for me at boot i had a "failed" message about it
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04:43<hollo>craigevil, thanks for the info.. but no matter what i cannot make it to work.. my java config has the entry, i just forgot to put deplayment. in from of the option..
04:43<hollo>craigevil, and not any change in the sysctl file help me..
04:43<hollo>craigevil, also tried to downgrade netbase and java-common to stable versions..
04:44<jm_>hollo: it's odd that it reports missing class thing
04:44<hollo>jm_, yes.. i saw the networking problem once, i dont remember where.. but now i just see the missing class error
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04:46<jm_>hollo: but java itself seems to run fine, so it may be some browser/plugin interaction - did you try it with some other user with empty configs?
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04:48<hollo>ahh.. now back to the basics.. now i get the error: Caused by: Network is unreachable
04:49<hollo>but still something about misssing myaddress.class.. but that might be because the network does not work..
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04:52<hollo>hmmm... maybe a debootstrap with a stable system...
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04:54<hollo>lenny is the stable right?
04:54<hollo>oh.. testing
04:54<meglaw>no lenny is stable now
04:54<meglaw>squeeze is testing
04:54<hollo>ah.. thanks
04:55<hollo>retrieving... zzz... well, just it will solve the problem everything should be fine..
04:56<hollo>hmm.. unless the chroot still depends on the "hosts" networking something.. :/ well.. the time will have the answer.. thanks for the help so far
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05:17<flower>is there a graphical installation guide somewhere?
05:17<flower>for relative newbies
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05:19<jm_>installation manual shall be what you're after
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05:30<Phurl> ok, i have the ITP, now how can I finish this. I have updated my git with a better package. what is the next step?
05:31<Necromaster>[c] Replace (char) for (wchar_t) entirely in a program to facilitate internationalization makes sense?
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06:04<OdyX>That might be a stupid question, but anyway: Is there a way to use a sparc guest on an amd64 host with kvm ?
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06:05<tarzeau>does anyone have xorg backports for lenny?
06:07<OdyX>And my sub-question is: can I expect similar results if I compile under emulated sparc wrt real sparc (which I don't have)
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06:15<meglaw>yay my new controller works as it should yay! -
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07:11<sun71>Hello, I have a Server running Etch. Is it possible to upgrade to Lenny after the 15. th of February by simply changing the repositories from etch to lenny? Or will there be some kind of hassle?
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07:12<noflash>!tell sun71 -about etch->lenny
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07:17<jm_>sun71: why is feb 15 so special?
07:18<adb>monday ?
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07:19<sun71>jm_: because of security support. I'm not sure whether there will be changes to the repositories, when security support ends.
07:19<jm_>sun71: you should be fine either way
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07:23<sun71>o.k. thanks a lot. so there's no need for a hurry :)
07:24<jm_>well it would make sense to upgrade so you can get security updates
07:28<sun71>you're right. but i can still do it middle of next week without much trouble and search for "old repositories".
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07:32<Woet>may I ask why some network drivers are missing from Debian 5.0? I've had 2 modern servers with unsupported NICs which I had to install later on.
07:32<Woet>The Dell R410 is not supported (BNX2) and neither is the latest supermicro (IGB)
07:33<jm_>Woet: you most likely need just a newer kernel
07:34<adb>!tell Woet -about kmuto
07:34<Woet>Yes, which is rather difficult if you try to run openVZ at the same time
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07:36<Woet>why aren't they there in the first place though? because they're non-free?
07:37<jm_>possibly because the devices didn't exist when the kernel you are using was released?
07:37<jm_>or were brand new etc.
07:37<sun71>noflash: thank you
07:37<jm_>maybe it's also one of those cases where one needs a firmware
07:38<noflash>my pleasure :)
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07:39<Woet>well it seems it's only debian with this issue, centos/ubuntu installed without a problem jm_
07:39<Woet>downloaded at the same time
07:40<Woet>probably because they use other kernels
07:40<jm_>Woet: bnx2 needs a firmware, verify that first - and download at the same time doesn't mean much, those distributions are released more often
07:40<Woet>I saw a post saying 'With the release of lenny Debian is trying to be more compliant with restricted drivers and so no longer includes all Broadcom drivers because of the way they are licensed.' though
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07:43<lancelot_of>hi all
07:44<lancelot_of>any repository for e16 epplets?
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07:53<gsimmons>Woet: Is this about the BCM5716 again? You can build your own lenny linux-image package - with the necessary PCI ID in bnx2 - using the procedure in bug #565353.
07:54<craigevil>lancelot_of: take a look at
07:54<Woet>Yes, I already solved that problem gsimmons
07:54<Woet>i'm just wondering why they aren't supported by default
07:58<Supaplex>is it non-free?
08:01<craigevil> firmware-bnx2 is in non-free
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08:04<KOJIbKA>I have two computers in home network running Lenny. With a client "Vinagre" installed. How to set VNC server and communicate in a way it is shown at developer's site ?
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08:05<KOJIbKA>gnome help system is not perfect. same as windows
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08:09<KOJIbKA>computers are linked to router
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08:15<daniele>hello. i'm trying to build a debian kernel with xenomai patches, but i'm lost into the tools that debain offers. someone can help me or point me to updated documentation?
08:16<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
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08:16<jm_>you can use make-kpkg or build it the upstream way
08:18<daniele>jm_: i know how to use make-kpkg but i do not know how to apply xenomai patches from linux-path-xenomai package to the sources i got with the linux-sources-2.6.32 package
08:19<jm_>daniele: did you read README.Debian?
08:20<daniele>jm_: of which package?
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08:20<jm_>daniele: linux-patch-xenomai
08:21<slush>KOJIbKA: System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
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08:21<daniele>jm_: yes, i did. unfortunately make-kpkg does not support anymore the --added-patches switch
08:22<jm_>daniele: which version are you using?
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08:23<daniele>jm_: kernel-package 12.032. i think is the last one in unstable
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08:25<daniele>jm_: support for --added-patches has been removed in version 12.025
08:26<KOJIbKA>slush: thanks
08:26<jm_>daniele: well if you're using testing/unstable you'll need to patch it ydopurself I guess, see what make-kpkg changelog says about it
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08:28<jm_>(or *news* files)
08:29<daniele>jm_: that is what i have been trying to do. but the script /usr/src/linux-pathes/i386/apply/xenomai fails because it is not able to find a patch that is valid for the kenrel sources i obtained with the linux-sources-2.6.32 package
08:30<daniele>jm_: is it better to patch a vanilla kernel?
08:31<jm_>daniele: a similar bug for 2.6.30 - perhaps check if upstream has newer version available and submit a bug
08:33<KOJIbKA>slush:no success :( while I press search for the computer - there's nothing happen
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08:41<daniele>jm_: the patch is provided for but the sources i get from the debian package are 2.6.32
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08:42<jm_>daniele: why not use upstream kernel then?
08:42<daniele>jm_: i do not know how to obtain the debian way or how to tell the script to patch the kernel anyway
08:43<daniele>jm_: i do not have any reson except that i thought the debian kernel may be a better choice on a debian system
08:43<jm_>daniele: you download it from ftp.<country> - there is no debian way to use latest kernels
08:44<daniele>jm_: what kernel revision is the latest supported by debian? i do not any special reason to use 2.6.32
08:44<jm_>daniele: latest debian kernel is 2.6.32 AFAIK
08:44<jm_>!judd kernels
08:44<dpkg>jm_, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's)
08:44<jm_>judd kernels
08:44<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); squeeze: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-5); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1)
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08:46<daniele>jm_: i'm confused
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09:00<daniele>jm_: looking more carefully at things it can be that my kernel sources tree has some problems by itself...
09:00<daniele>jm_: i'm missing a debian/ folder in it
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09:02<debianite>Hi, I'm using irssi as irc client, is it possible to have spellcheking?
09:04<oggi>hallo, I have a problem installing Debian on notebook from usb flash disk. After creating Super Grub bootable usb with unetbootin i get only blinking cursor on black screen. Does anybody knows what can be done with that?
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09:05<jm_>daniele: that's probably created once you run make-kpkg, not sure if debian kernel sources include it since I never use that
09:05<jm_>oggi: you should probably ask unetbooting support about this
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09:07<daniele>jm_: you are right
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09:08<oggi>jm: i'm not able to find unetbooting support
09:09<jm_>oggi: why are you using unetbootin at all?
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09:10<oggi>because it wont boot when i prepare usb as suggested in debian instalation manual. I did it once with unetbootin but i'm not able to repeat it now
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09:11<jm_>you must be doing something wrong or your BIOS is problematic
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09:15<oggi>jm: when i create bootable usb with UltraISO using some bootable .iso image it boots from usb without problems, but i don't know how to create debain instalation usb with UltraISO. I have tried to replace vmlinuz and initrd.gz in .iso with usb installer images, but it didn't work. The instalation starts, but it asks for a cd to continue, and a'm not able to use cd on this notebook.
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09:15<jm_>oggi: why don't you put iton USB the way debian installation manual describes it?
09:16<Zathraz>hi. Anyone with *positive* experiences on Lirc on Lenny with kernel 2.6.32 ? Seems like an issue. Newest Lirc will depend on udev and old lirc has compilation issues afaik. Please tell me otherwise...
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09:17<jm_>anyway need to run now
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09:18<fuyoh>hi, im new to wanna ask, my kernel is, how can i update to the 2.6.30 kernel or better without having kernel panic?
09:18<oggi>jm_: because it won't boot that way (syslinux doesn't work). I used to create supergrub disk and than change syslinux.cfg file as instructed in manual and than it worked, but not now... :(
09:19<EagleScreen>fuyoh: surely yes
09:19<fuyoh>EagleScreen: can u guide me..everytime i do it, surely kernel panic
09:20<EagleScreen>how did u install the 2.6.30?
09:20<Zathraz>fuyoh, especially when new I would stick to defaults
09:20<Zathraz>why 2.6.30 ?
09:20<fuyoh>by compileing from src
09:20<Zathraz>debian source or source?
09:21<fuyoh>Zathraz: because my fn function key not works, my wireless firmware for ex-card fail
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09:24<fuyoh>so, anyone can guide my to upgrade new kernel?
09:24<Zathraz>fuyoh, that way you will mis the debian specific patches and you will have install without package management
09:24<grondilu>Hi, I have a wifi LAN and I can't manage to have dnsmasq work. I can do « ping » for instance, but not the resolved version : « ping ». It seems that IP masquerading works fine but not dnsmasq. Any help please ?
09:24<Zathraz>fuyoh, are you new to Debian or new to Linux?
09:25<grondilu>I'm under Lenny on both computers
09:25<gsimmons>Zathraz: (re LIRC) See Debian bug #562512 for an amended lirc-modules-source package (packaging of lirc 0.8.6 is still in progress).
09:25<fuyoh>new to debian..before this, stick to ubuntu..
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09:26<grondilu>Here is the relevent part of my /etc/network/interface :
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09:26<grondilu>Please help !
09:26<Zathraz>gsimmons, afaik 0.8.6 will depend on udev afaik and therefor an upgrade to squeeze would be easier. However I would like to stick to lenny
09:27<fuyoh>Zathraz: and not as a geek but only a normal user..
09:27<Zathraz>fuyoh, on Ubuntu there was also package management and you did not have to compile from
09:28<fuyoh>zathraz: you mean synaptic?
09:28<Zathraz>it is just that you ask something general which can be googled. yet it is probably not a good idea to do this that way as described above
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09:29<Zathraz>synaptic can download packages etc. I mean: you can download kernels from in certain flavours. But there are also specific Debian kernels both precompiiled and as source
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09:29<grondilu>He guys, anyone very good on networking could help me on this one ?
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09:30<Zathraz>never used/needed dnsmasq. sorry
09:31<grondilu>At least can you tell me how I check that my gateway is correctly defined ?
09:31<fuyoh>Zathraz:, what am i suppose to do now? do i just wait for the normal updates from debian via apt-get or you have any ideas?
09:32<Zathraz>If you are on Lenny (5.0 stable) you will never go beyond 2.6.26
09:32<Zathraz>If you would migrate to Squeeze (next release) you will get 2.6.32
09:33<Zathraz>if you want an other kernel you will have to do that yourself either by: download and install binary-kernel, compile a Debian kernel, download a kernel from and install that
09:33<fuyoh>that lsb: lenny 5.0.4(Lenny)
09:33<Zathraz>unless you know what you are doing I would not go the way
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09:33<themill>,kernels --release lenny-backports
09:33<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2)
09:33<fuyoh>yes, because most of is will ends with kernel panic
09:34<themill>fuyoh: ^^ see for a newer kernel for lenny
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09:34<Zathraz>you should also ask yourself, why do I need kernel x or y. Can't I fix my issues using the current kernel
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09:34<fuyoh>themill: i already add the backport mirror in my source.lst..
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09:34<themill>so install the relevant kernel package from there
09:34<eortega>hi all
09:35<fuyoh>Zathraz: im not that level yet..still learning..
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09:36<fuyoh>themill: when i add the backport source, the run apt-get update and upgrade..there's not kernel update..or my way is wrong?
09:38<themill>fuyoh: as the instructions on tell you, backports are not enabled by default. You need to "aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-686" (substitute amd64 etc as appropriate)
09:38<metasmv>what is the difference betwen 2.6.32-trunk-686 and 2.6.32-1-686? which one should i install? i will deboostrap sid to get aes-xts encrypted root partition...
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09:38<themill>fuyoh: The instructions also tell you how to pin the repository appropriately so that you continue to get updates automatically
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09:39<fuyoh>erm...ok thanks,, gotta learn more bout that..
09:41<gsimmons>metasmv: linux-image-2.6.32-1-686 is the later release (linux-2.6 2.6.32-6, with an ABI set to 1). The package's changelog has further details.
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09:41<themill>there's a -2- release out there now too
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09:50<supaman>hey, how do I see what packages depend on a specific package?
09:51<koollman>supaman: apt-cache rdepends thepackage
09:51<koollman>might be a good start
09:51<supaman>ok, thanks, Ill try that one
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09:55<supaman>hmm ... didnt work as well as aptitude purge pkgname
09:56<idbgthusiexist>hey folks. is there a faster way of deleting files than 'rm' without formatting?
09:56<supaman>apt-cache showed no packages, but aptitude purge showed 6 packages
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09:58<koollman>idbgthusiexist: no. What are you trying to do ?
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09:59<idbgthusiexist>koollman: delete a large set of files under a directory. millions+ of files amounting to a total of 1T. 'rm -rf' is too slow. Is deleting at a rate of 5 gigs every 20-30 min.
09:59<idbgthusiexist>xfs file system on 4 drive software raid 5
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10:00<idbgthusiexist>a rate of 166 mb per minute seems a tad slow
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10:01<idbgthusiexist>it'll take, what, 100 hours to finish 0_o
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10:06<metasmv>themill, you said there is a 2.6.32-2 kernel? i just can't find it. lol
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10:07<themill>metasmv: it might not have made it to the mirrors yet, but it was uploaded a week ago
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10:09<chaos>if i have a number of boxes and i want to put the same debian on all of them with the same packages installed and same config how do i do it the quickest?
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10:11<metasmv>themill, what you mean? i just rechecked on and is not there.
10:11<themill>exactly, ... it hasn't made it to the mirrors yet
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10:12<chaos>themill: cp -a is the easiest but it only works for the same HW but some1 a while ago said there was something else but i didn't want to complicate my life with it then
10:12<chaos>any idea?
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10:14<gdb>themill: You can grab the selections list from one machine and read it into the other then use apt to install everything, but you'll lose the autoinstall flags on packages that were pulled in as dependancies and won't be able to remove them in bulk with aptitude.
10:15*themill wonders why everyone is talking to him
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10:16<gdb>Oh.. duh
10:16<gdb>chaos: You can grab the selections list from one machine and read it into the other then use apt to install everything, but you'll lose the autoinstall flags on packages that were pulled in as dependancies and won't be able to remove them in bulk with aptitude.
10:17<chaos>i was told back then rsync / rdiff-backup was a possible solution
10:17<gsimmons>themill, metasmv: Actually, linux-2.6 2.6.32-7 was rejected for all but amd64 (see Debian bug #568416). linux-2.6 2.6.32-8 is in NEW.
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10:18<chaos>but jmarsden didn't wanna go into detail :s
10:18<chaos>oh sorry it was edhunter
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10:22<metasmv>what is the difference between deboostrap and cdebootstrap? atleast a hint/link to some "official" answer? which one is used by d-i?
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10:23<adb>metasmv, see #emdebian ..
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10:24<chaos>ok .. both rsync / rdiff-backup seems like the wrong tool @ first glance .. but .. if i have a gerenal kernel from apt and rerun the autoconfig for every package after i copied them to the new box would that work?
10:25<hellyeah>how to fix this error
10:25<chaos>with a hammer :P
10:25<chaos>sorry... just couldn't resist :)
10:25<hellyeah>pls help
10:25<noflash>hellyeah, it's not recommended to cross post
10:26<hellyeah>what do you mean i dont understand sorry
10:26<father0fnine>Is there a package / kernel / something in Debian that allows me to open an iso image read/write before burning it -- to make minor tweeks without having to rebuild it?
10:27<noflash>hellyeah, don't ask the same question on both networks
10:27<father0fnine>i've already tried mounting it -o loop,rw
10:27<hellyeah>noflash may be someother people answer me i hope that
10:27<hellyeah>sorry annoying
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10:32<Zathraz>chaos, clonezilla with multicast perhaps?
10:33<Zathraz>a bit killing for normal network operation though...
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10:33<chaos>that's not an issue .. boxes are on gbit
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10:36<chaos>Zathraz: that still sounds like a bit by bit copy (however faster) so still stuck on the different HW part
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10:38<Bety>k talo fea?
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10:38<Patituu>y tu?
10:38<chaos>is that english?
10:39<screenn>I've replaced an old hdd in mdadm raid and watch for a synchro process it still 0 % for a long time
10:39<Patituu>no is spanish
10:39<Bety>oye metete en facebook
10:39<adb>!ops Patituu Bety troll
10:39<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: Patituu Bety troll
10:39<Patituu>no ganas
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10:40<oggi>How can i repair usb flash drive so that it can be bootable again? After using unetbootin it only shows black screen and blinking cursor, and after repairinq with install-mbr /dev/sdc... it shows black screen and 'MBR' line after line.
10:40<Zathraz>what issues do you have with different hw? Disk(size) or others too? Clonezilla can resize iirc
10:40<Bety>me largo y me cambio el nomre By
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10:40<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:41<RichiH>Maulkin: boo on you not recognizing me, btw
10:41<Maulkin>RichiH: meh :)
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10:42<Maulkin>Patituu: -» #debain-es
10:42<samaira>hi all. I am trying to extract a single page from a pdf file. pdftk test.pdf cat 7 out.pdf. it showing the error Unexpected text in page reference. please guide me.
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10:43<samaira>the page contains table. how should i overcome this error ?
10:43<chaos>Zathraz: don't really know the difference ... don't even have the boxes yet :)
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10:44<Zathraz>you can also look for netcat. Plenty of tools depending on what you want/need/like
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10:46<Betiiiiiiiiifuuuuuuuuu>abla contreeeee
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10:46<chaos>good riddance :P
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10:56<Guest1703>a\s\l ?
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10:59<josh-robertson>is anyone here?
10:59<Guest1703>i think i am
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10:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:00<josh-robertson>is that just a bot?
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11:00<dpkg>i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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11:00<josh-robertson>oh it is a bot!
11:00<Guest1703>whats a bot ?
11:01<kop>Guest1703: A program.
11:01<josh-robertson>its a message sent by noeone
11:01<josh-robertson>you can bring some up by typing in things
11:01<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
11:01<Quan>!dpkg man woman
11:01<oggi>can debian be installed from 'debian live' running from live-usb?
11:02<kop>oggi: Yes. I think you install the deb-bootstrap package (maybe) and then use it.
11:02<kop>oggi: See the install manual at
11:02<josh-robertson>its somet like that
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11:03<josh-robertson>bye mhash
11:03<oggi>kop: thanks, i'll take a look right now
11:03<josh-robertson>whats that orange line?
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11:05<josh-robertson>Whats that Orange Line? Anyone?
11:05<kop>oggi: Section D.3.
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11:05<kop>josh-robertson: It's something only you can see, displayed by your irc program.
11:06<josh-robertson>oh? i wonder whats its for...I'm using XChat
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11:07<josh-robertson>nearly there...
11:07<jaws>i dont see aany orange line
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11:07<josh-robertson>what program are you using?
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11:09<jaws>any one knows how to install vlc on linux platform coz it keep faillin to complete the rpm download
11:09<amphi>jaws: aptitude install vlc doesn't work?
11:10<josh-robertson>'ll have to compile it from source
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11:10<EagleRock>jaws: what distro are you running?
11:11<jaws>eaglerock:am using backtrack4 final
11:12<amphi>EagleRock: point ;)
11:12<amphi>jaws: ECHAN - this is for debian support
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11:12<jaws>amphi:lemmie check it out
11:13<josh-robertson>ooh! I'm creating my own server (Sorry, I'm just excited - first time doing it!)
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11:15<themill>gsimmons: how... odd... that would explain why it hasn't hit the mirrors, then.
11:15<jaws>josh-robertson:what type
11:16<kop>josh-robertson: Then you should take care to install only from the debian repositories using the apt based tools (aptitude, synaptic, etc.)
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11:17<kop>josh-robertson: I find vsftpd to be easier.
11:17<josh-robertson>Command Line Interface
11:17<josh-robertson>I'm using Ubuntu 9.10 to Set it up (On a different PC)
11:17<kop>oggi: I've not found out how to partition a flash drive and make it bootable. Once you bork what the manufactur installed you seem to be screwed.
11:17<kop>oggi: Any clues?
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11:18<jaws>josh robertson:i made myself a super comp using mhcip n it works well running fedora core 11
11:20<josh-robertson>hmm - I'm trying to build a really eco one using a really tiny mini itx board, pico psu, low power 1TB hard drive and an Atom Chip!
11:20<jhutchins_lt>Anybody know how to tell logwatch not to report 404's?
11:20<josh-robertson>whos logwatch?
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11:21<jhutchins_lt>josh-robertson: log file analysis script.
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11:21<jaws>josh-robertson:i cant be eco friendly wen speakin o machine maybe in atha ares
11:21<oggi>kop: i'm still reading
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11:21<josh-robertson>ok, i mean low power
11:21<kop>jhutchins_lt: FYI it's considered impolite to cross post both here and on freenode.
11:22<kop>oggi: I thought that the freedos project would solve the problem, but not when I looked (a year ago-ish.)
11:22<oggi>kop: it would be a lot easier with usb, i can't belive that usb can't be repaired :(
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11:23<jaws>josh-robertson:am using mini atx intel dg4500 2.4ghz i7 n 16gb ram
11:23<kop>oggi: It uses flash, which remaps sectors so there's no telling what's written where. Which makes it hard to write to the first sector which is where the boot information is stored. Or that _might_ be the source of the problem. I found this problem with CF cards as well. The solution is to buy one from a good manufacturer, of which there are only 3 and only sandisk is affordable.
11:24<kop>oggi: I can belive it. PC hardware sucks. And they're selling to the mass market and don't care. Myself, I'd prefer not to have to trust what's on the stick at all....
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11:26<oggi>kop: it happens that mine is 'sundisk', and it worked a few weeks ago. Than i installed Win7 from that usb using UltraISO, and now it doesn't work with unetbootin. Is it possible that UltraISO has messed up something?
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11:27<kop>oggi: I've no clue. Anything's possible. If it writes to the boot sector then it's quite likely.
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11:27<father0fnine>Where is there documented the directory structure one needs to set up so that deb file:/home/apt/debs stable main contrib non-free will work?
11:28<oggi>kop: I'll try now to use UltraISO on that stick to see if it can make it bootable
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11:31<kop>father0fnine: Possibly the debian reference at Or maybe the wiki. I've seen it somewhere. You want to setup your own repo.
11:31<kop>father0fnine: It might be in the policy manual, but I think not. Maybe in /usr/share/doc/*something* having to with apt.
11:32<jaws>oggi:try myslax creator it will help u make usb bootable
11:32<oggi>jaws: ok, thanks
11:33<jaws>oggi:u welcome
11:33<kop>oggi: ultraiso makes iso images, right? That shouldn't have much to do with a usb stick.
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11:34<metasmv>oggi, you said you modified the mbr with some command?
11:34<jhutchins_lt>oggi: How big/how old is the stick?
11:34<father0fnine>found it, thanks to dpkg here. I want to set up a trivial. I have a wicked slow download speed and a need to continually download the same packages over and over again :(
11:35<jhutchins_lt>father0fnine: So setting up a local repo?
11:35<kop>father0fnine: Check out apt-cacher.
11:36<kop>father0fnine: There are others as well.
11:37<oggi>stick is 4GB big, i didn't use any special commands, just tools like unetbootin and UltraISO to make it bootable. And I have used instal-mbr on it when i thought that something is wrong with the MBR
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11:37<Phurl>when registering on ailoth : Error Could Not Get User
11:38<tenista>hay algien ahi?????
11:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:38<metasmv>oggi, can you mount it and pastebin the output of ls -al?
11:38<tenista>k tal???
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11:39<oggi>metasmv: right now
11:39<oggi>ls -al
11:40<Hydroxide>wow, that didn't turn into a troll... I'm pleasantly surprised :)
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11:41<oggi>metasmv: should i paste just what i got after ls -al?
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11:42<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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11:42<josh-robertson>woops sorrt
11:43<jaws>am out guys
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11:43<kop>!tell eliana about es
11:44<oggi>dpkg: how do i use that?
11:44<dpkg>oggi: i haven't a clue
11:44<metasmv>oggi what you didn't understnad?
11:44<oggi>how do i use this pastebin?
11:44<kop>oggi: You use your browesr to go to, or whatever paste site, and then copy the url into the channel.
11:45<eliana>spiking espanish?
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11:46<oggi>kop: aha, nice feature!
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11:46<oggi>metasmv: here's the link:
11:46<kop>eliana: No. Join #debian-es
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11:48<metasmv>oggi, i suppose this is from your home folder. the idea is to find out what is on the usb
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11:48<oggi>metasmv: aha, i got it, (i'm new to linux...)
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11:49<metasmv>it is the only usb stick you have in your system now? it should be located at /dev/sda
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11:49<josh-robertson>hey, does anyone know of any other web browser (i've heard of Firefox, Dillo, Opera & Arora), anyone know of any others?
11:50<josh-robertson>Sorry for the random post
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11:50<josh-robertson>i just wanted to know
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11:50<themill>,rprovides www-browser
11:50<judd>www-browser in lenny/i386 is provided by: conkeror, w3-el-e21, chimera2, edbrowse, elinks-lite, elinks, elvis-console, elvis, epiphany-gecko, galeon, iceweasel, kazehakase, konqueror, links2, links, lynx-cur, netrik, netsurf, w3m, w3mmee, xemacs21-gnome-mule-canna-wnn, xemacs21-gnome-mule, xemacs21-gnome-nomule, xemacs21-mule-canna-wnn, xemacs21-mule, xemacs21-nomule.
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11:50<themill>josh-robertson: ^^ some of the ones that are in debian lenny
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11:51<oggi>metasmv: on the usb:
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11:52<oggi>metasmv: that is after creating super grub on that usb with unetbootin
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11:54<metasmv>oggi, so what exactly should be on the usb, debian-live?
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11:54<oggi>metasmv: whatever, nothing works
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11:55<oggi>i just got black screen with blinking cursor after restart
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11:55<metasmv>you want to use it as debian-live, am i right?
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11:56<oggi>metasmv: well i want to install debian from it, because my cd/dvd player on notebook doesn't work
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11:57<metasmv>i think you got black screen because you mixed syslinux with grub and that install-mbr command
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11:57<adb>oggi, just put 10$ and buy a new one
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11:58<metasmv>i think you can just create the usb again
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11:58<oggi>adb: it's not a problem, but when i don't know what coused the problem it's likeli that i'll screw the new one too
11:58<oggi>metasmv: how do i create it again?
11:59<kop>oggi: You should consider following the installation instructions at in the installation manual.
11:59<oggi>kop: I have done that and it doesn't work
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11:59<kop>oggi: You need a usb stick that boots. :-)
12:00<oggi>kop: this one was bootable last time
12:00<kop>oggi: Once you bork the booting of a usb stick you can't get it back. At least I can't.
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12:01<kop>oggi: You can do anything else with the stick. But not boot off it.
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12:02<oggi>kop: I'll try now to make it bootable with UltraISO. If it works, does it mean that usb is ok and that unetbootin is not ok?
12:02<metasmv>oggi, 1 sec. i'll point you to the right page...
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12:02<father0fnine>kop: are you sure that a debian-live build wouldn't make it bootable again?
12:02<kop>oggi: You could also pxeboot, but that requires you to be comfortable with setting up dhcp servers and the like.
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12:03<kop>father0fnine: If you repartition the stick, at least my stick, in the process erasing the partition table and starting over, it seems to be impossible to write an mbr that will boot.
12:03<metasmv>oggi, you want the stable or the testing install?
12:03<father0fnine>kop: IC
12:03<kop>father0fnine: There's stupid dos-ness buried inside that, it seems, cannot be replicated.
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12:05<oggi>metasmv: I want stable. I have already done that once by following instalation manual. The disk was not bootable, so I used unetbootin to put super grub on it, and tha i edited sysconfig file to boot the debian hd-media install images and it worked. Now I can't make the usb bootable. That's all.
12:05<kop>father0fnine: I'm remembering more. Sticks are shipped with no partitions, they have a single vfat fs. You can rewrite the fs, but if you partition you're screwed.
12:06<metasmv>kop, i must say it deppends on the stick.
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12:06<father0fnine>kop: So why does one partition a stick? Seems kinda small for that sort of treatment.
12:06<metasmv>oggi, there are a few commands that have to be done as root. i'll make a list now.
12:06<jhutchins_lt>metasmv: Yeah, some won't boot, some will, some will sometimes.
12:06<kop>metasmv: Good. What sticks can I get that I can re-partition and write my own mbr on? I've been struggling with this off and on for over a year, at random intervals.
12:07<jhutchins_lt>Sticks do fail.
12:07<metasmv>kop, i got a verbatim of 2gb. works as a charm even with 2 partitions
12:07<jhutchins_lt>kop: iirc this site has a list:
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12:08<kop>father0fnine: Sticks are GB big. At core, I don't trust what comes on them and want control of my bootloader. (See "the evil maid" problem.)
12:08<kop>jhutchins_lt: Jamming. Thanks!
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12:10<munga>I've a bash completion file that I want to try out. how can I source it without copying it in the /etc/bash_completion.d directory ?
12:10<metasmv>oggi is your stick located at /dev/sda ?
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12:12<josh-robertson>bye everyone
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12:12<kop>jhutchins_lt: Sadly, their list has only 5 entries, all 2G or less. :-P But, there's another link to chase....
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12:12<oggi>so, i have used UltraISO on this stick to put debian .iso instalation disk on it and it boots! So, does it mean that usb stick is ok?
12:12<jhutchins_lt>Mandriva sells 'em pre-installed. See what brand they use.
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12:14<metasmv>oggi, the stick is ok then
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12:14<oggi>metasmv: so what's wrong than?
12:14<kop>oggi: I'd say so.
12:15<metasmv>unetbootin? lol
12:15<metasmv>or perhaps mixen grub with syslinux...
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12:17<oggi>I have come to debian istaller menu. The problem is "Load installer components from CD" point. Can I do anything to switch it to usb?
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12:22<metasmv>oggi, you shouldn't need to. it should search and mount the iso image from the usb
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12:24<oggi>metasmv: well that's what i thougt, but it doesn't. It asks explicitly for CD. And doesn't let me go beyond that point. Would it help if i copy .iso image on usb stick, besides other files (there is enough space)?
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12:26<metasmv>it should help. also you can try the other way...
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12:30<metasmv>oggi, if your stick is at /dev/sda and you're using i386 you could just use the commands listed here:
12:30<metasmv>the # in there means that the commands must be done as root
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12:31<metasmv>then you can use the stick as installer only. but it should work.
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12:33<oggi>metasmv: i suppose that should make bootable debain usb stick, right? I have working 386debian and I want to install amd64 debian on notebook. Can i just replace 'i386' with 'amd64' in those commands?
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12:34<oggi>^I work now on a i386 desktop, and i should install debian on amd64 notebook
12:34<sney>oggi: yes
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12:39<marbreu>hello humans!!!
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12:40<imganquan>hello marbreu
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12:41<cesurasean>how does pptpd determine which username and password i need to login with?
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12:44<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, which file is it located in?
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12:45<cesurasean># client    server    secret            IP addresses
12:45<cesurasean>test        pptpd    test            *
12:45<cesurasean>what would the login and password be for this type setup?
12:45<cesurasean>the password is the secret?
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12:51<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, can you pretty please provide me with an example on the usernames. ( $DOMAIN\\$USERNAME PPTP $PASSWORD * )
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12:51<cesurasean>just replace $USERNAME with username and $PASSWORD with password?
12:51<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: I'm not currently using it, that's why I sent the reference. I'd have to look stuff up just like you would.
12:52<cesurasean>can you see if you can help?
12:52<cesurasean>im at loss for words.
12:52<cesurasean>create or add lines to the /etc/ppp/chap-secrets file, which holds usernames and passwords:
12:52<cesurasean>so i know that much
12:52<cesurasean>the format of the username and pass is what puzzles me.
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12:53<jhutchins_lt>[domain]\\<username> PPTP <password> <IP Address>
12:53<jhutchins_lt>IP Address is usually *
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12:54<jhutchins_lt>[domain\\]<username> PPTP <password> <IP Address>
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12:56<jhutchins_lt>cesurasean: Do you have the pptp-command script?
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13:04<dpkg>tarik: VATTENE VIA
13:05<tarik>perchè scs
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13:08<cesurasean>jhutchins_lt, no. sorry had to run to the store.
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13:12<AzaToth>anyone knows anything good I can replace horde, which at least can do mail, calendar and syncml?
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13:17<petemc>erm, no - gafyd
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13:18<AzaToth>petemc: heh, lets try to stick with something that can be made into "apt-get"-able
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13:19<petemc>the calendaring can be hard to do right
13:19<petemc>squirrelmail is ok
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13:20<AzaToth>problem it's opnly "mail"
13:20<petemc>it has plugins for most things
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13:22<petemc>have you been using syncml up til now?
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13:23<AzaToth>squirrelmail also looks like in the same style as illohamail, i.e. 90's
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13:23<AzaToth>I've been using syncml
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13:24<petemc>and how is it?
13:24<AzaToth>it works
13:24<petemc>what do you currently sync from/to ?
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13:25<AzaToth>the problem I see with horde is that it's a bit bulky, and I don't like their attitude
13:26<petemc>i messed around trying to get something that worked for all popular clients, tried things like tine20 and darwin calendar server, nothing worked adequately for me
13:26<petemc>so i let google handle all that now, very happy with it
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13:26<AzaToth>I need to keep it in the bubba
13:27<petemc>so i gather, i wish you luck!
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13:28<AzaToth>petemc: everythime I'm in the progress of updating out horde packages, I always want to find something better
13:28<petemc>yeah, i was in a similar position for a few years
13:29<petemc>i offered my users horde, squirrelmail or roundcube
13:29<petemc>roundcube looks like best, but is/was a bit slow
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13:42<oggi>i've just installed debian on my amd64 notebook, but the screen resolution is bellow optimal and i can't change it (system -> preferences -> screen resolution doesn't list any other options). How can I change that?
13:43<retrospectacus>you probably want to install and use better video drivers. What video card is in there?
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13:45<oggi>Don't know. The graphic chip is nvidia GeForce 7150/nForce 630M, but I haven't installed anything after installing debian from the CD
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13:46<oggi>Is it possible to have better resolution without proprietary drivers?
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13:46<chealer>oggi: which video driver do you use?
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13:47<retrospectacus>you may try this command: xrandr -s 1280x800 (or whatever your native res is)
13:47<oggi>chealer: I belive it is some generic driver that was on a debian installation CD. I haven't install anything yet.
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13:48<cahoot>xrandr -q would list what resolutions you can choose from
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13:49<oggi>retrospectacus: "Size 1280-x1024" not found in available modes"
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13:50<oggi>cahoot: 1024x768 is the best i can choose, but my screen is 1280x1024
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13:50<int_80h>i see a -
13:50<int_80h>did you type that or copy it?
13:51<oggi>int_80h: I typed it
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13:51<int_80h>OK, so the problem isn't that you made that typo on your command line, right
13:51<retrospectacus>does the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf have anything in it about resolutions?
13:52<oggi>i'll check that right now
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13:54<oggi>retrospectatcus: there are only some "sections" but none of the resolutions is listed there
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13:55<retrospectacus>hmm, I think you want the proprietary driver then, unless anyone else has some ideas
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13:57<int_80h>if xrandr is not showing a possible higher res, that probably means your driver doesn't support it
13:57<int_80h>just as a general rule
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13:58<int_80h>so switch from vesa or nv to nvidia
13:58<oggi>retrospectacus: ok then, do you have an idea how to install nvidia drivers, or how to "switch" to nvidia?
13:59<int_80h>apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel source; m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
13:59<int_80h>that'll work if your kernel is the default
13:59<oggi>ok, i'll try that
13:59<int_80h>sorry the first bit is nvidia-kernel-common
13:59<int_80h>not kernel-source
13:59<int_80h>but the second bit is def. kernel-source :P
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14:01<dpkg>fionda08: VATTENE VIA
14:01<cahoot>oggi: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what driver is used atm
14:01<fionda08>come faccio a scaricare i film?
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14:01<fionda08>mi puoi aiutare a scaricare film
14:01<fionda08>xdcc send #11
14:02<fionda08>xdcc send #20
14:02<dpkg>fionda08: VATTENE VIA
14:02<int_80h>try #debian-it
14:02<amphi>or #warez-it
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14:03<fionda08>try #debian-it
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14:03<retrospectacus>oggi: /msg dpkg nvidia - he/she can tell you all about it. You want something like what int_80h said though
14:04<fionda08>oggi: /msg dpkg nvidia - he/she can tell you all about it. You want something like what int_80h said though
14:04<int_80h>.k fionda08
14:04<int_80h>hmm, right, that won't work here
14:05<dpkg>fionda08: VATTENE VIA
14:05<int_80h>weasel: ping
14:05<oggi>ok, i'll check that right now
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14:19<oggi>int_80h: how can I switch to nv driver, it says nothing about that there?
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14:19<int_80h>what driver are you currently using?
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14:20<int_80h>do you want to switch to nv or to nvidia? they are separate drivers
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14:20<int_80h>the commands I gave you earlier were for the nvidia driver
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14:21<oggi>it says" couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common"
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14:21<int_80h>you need to add contrib or non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list
14:21<oggi>I suppose i should update sources.list with something, but with wat?
14:22<rgouveia>hi ... can I have a encrypted home with my login password? I've tried the built lenny installer encrypted setup but that makes me use a different passphrase
14:22<int_80h>i think it's non-free
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14:22<int_80h>rgouveia, use different passwords
14:22<int_80h>this provides an additional level of security for you
14:22<oggi>int_80h: i'm new to debian and i'm not sure what exactly should i add to sources.list
14:23<int_80h>what's the line already in there
14:23<int_80h>use pastebin if you want to show me the whole thing, but i really only need the one line
14:23<int_80h>deb, probably
14:23<rgouveia>int_80h: I understand yourpoint but it's an hassle in this specific case. I just want to protect my home dir and swap(with a key)
14:23<oggi>deb cdrom: [Debian .....]/ lenny main
14:24<int_80h>the automated installer is doing this for your benefit, rgouveia. if you want, you can set it up manually later and you can make the password the same
14:24<oggi>deb http://security.../updates/main
14:24<oggi>deb-src http://security....../updates/main
14:24<int_80h>oggi, pastebin the whole thing for me?
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14:24<rgouveia>int_80h: that's what I'm after. ecryptfs?
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14:25<retrospectacus>oggi: you will want to add a line: deb lenny main contrib non-free (replace CC with your country code)
14:26<retrospectacus>and get rid of the CDROM line unless you want to have the CD in the drive whenever you want to update
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14:26<int_80h>i didn't want him to replace his chosen mirror, retrospectacus, plus it sounds like he might not have a proper net line yet
14:27<retrospectacus>no Internets? I don't think you can get non-free then
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14:27<oggi>I have internet
14:27<int_80h>he just doesn't have one set up yet
14:27<int_80h>oggi: like retro mentions above, add that line and remove the CD lines
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14:27<int_80h>installer should have done this for you, but no matter
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14:28<chealer>int_80h: that won't switch him to nvidia
14:28<int_80h>i understand, chealer
14:28<int_80h>first he builds
14:28<int_80h>then he configures X
14:28<int_80h>we're doing this one step at a time
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14:31<oggi>now i get: "Couldn't find package module-assistant"
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14:46<int_80h>hmm, got booted. oggi, you get helped?
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14:47<oggi>int_80h: i'm having problems with sources, every time i write those commands it says that some of the pacgages could not be found
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14:47<int_80h>OK, after you updated you sources.list
14:47<int_80h>did you run apt-get update
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14:47<int_80h>and then apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common
14:48<oggi>int_80h; eh, no
14:48<geckos>chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory ... any help?
14:48<int_80h>OK, do those things in order, and let me know how it went
14:48<int_80h>where did you chroot, geckos
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14:49<geckos>int_80h, empty directory
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14:49<cesurasean>where are pppd logs located in debian squeeze?
14:49<cesurasean>i am getting errors for whatever reason
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14:50<retrospectacus>chroot target is supposed to have an OS there, in general. see man chroot geckos
14:50<oggi>int_80h: it worked now!
14:50<int_80h>good, oggi
14:50<int_80h>now run m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source
14:50<geckos>retrospectacus, so I need at least a tiny FHS with os executables there!?
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14:50<int_80h>that's what chroot is for geckos
14:51<int_80h>read the man page as retro recommended
14:51<retrospectacus>what are you trying to do??
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14:52<geckos>I got a mini web server.. made by me.. I want to trap it in a chroot jail, for security reasons...
14:52<int_80h>you need to read more about chroot
14:52<int_80h>before you will be ready to do that
14:52<geckos>int_80h, ok ty
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14:54<geckos>int_80h, isn't overhead have a little OS to do only prevent that the server requisitions fetch out of server's work directory?
14:55<int_80h>I am not sure I followed that entirely...but I can tell you that chroot is not the be-all end-all of security for internet-facing applications. if the app still runs as root, an attacker can break out of the jail
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14:56<int_80h>it is usually considered good to secure your application directories and not run internet-facing applications as root
14:56<int_80h>if you still want to chroot, you will need to set up a 'mini environment' with whatever your app needs
14:56<oggi>int_80h: finished, what now?
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14:56<int_80h>for DNS, as an example, this often includes device nodes, configuration files, tmp space..
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14:56<geckos>int_80h, so this ends with my plan
14:57<int_80h>oggi, now you have to configure your xorg.conf to use the nvidia driver. if you already have an xorg.conf which works you may be able to simply change the driver line. otherwise, you can use nvidia-xconfig
14:57<int_80h>geckos, it is admirable that you want to secure your application server, but you need to do the necessary reading and understanding first
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14:57<jgoppert>Gnome is freezing during login unless I go to maintenance mode and call gdm start manually. Then I get a warning about hal failing to start. What could be wrong?
14:58<int_80h>hal could be broken
14:58<jgoppert>lol i had guessed as much, but its a fresh install ?
14:58<geckos>int_80h, I thought in run an chroot within the app, so you will need run as root ..
14:58<jgoppert>is there an error log for hal?
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14:59<houms>does anyone know if knetworkconf is usable to configure network connections in debian testing kde4.3.4
14:59<int_80h>i'm sorry geckos, I don't think I understand what you mean. apps run in chroot, not the other way around. and your web apps should NOT run as root
14:59<houms>there are no interfaces listed even though i have two and one is active
14:59<int_80h>jgoppert, i don't use HAL, sorry. maybe someone else here knows?
15:00<jgoppert>int_80h: thanks
15:00<geckos>int_80h, run a chroot (DIR) inside the app code..
15:00<oggi>int_80h: can you please check this error report:
15:00<cesurasean>my ppptd isnt having internet connections, but i can now connect successfully. are my dns servers wrong, or the wins settings? im trying to use the linux box to vpn for a win7 machine.
15:00<jgoppert>Does anyone know where to find an error log for hal?
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15:02<int_80h>oggi, post your xorg.conf.
15:02<int_80h>it is weird that nvidia-xconfig didn't create all the necessary lines
15:02<geckos>int_80h, I run it at high port .. so I don't need root permissions
15:02<int_80h>ok, geckos. even if you ran it at 80, you dont need root (except at startup)
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15:02<int_80h>if this is a custom application which calls an internal chroot, you will still need a properly configured chroot environment
15:03<jgoppert>if gnome is freezing where can i look to diagnose the problem? I just started the hall daemon manually and it is working?
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15:04<geckos>int_80h, yeah.. ty for explanation ... this is not desired in my little server..
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15:04<int_80h>geckos, google is your friend. there are many pages on security for web applications
15:04<oggi>int_80h: http//
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15:05<int_80h>no, it added the necessary driver line
15:05<int_80h>you should be able to start X
15:06<oggi>int_80h: should i restart x
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15:06<int_80h>yes, you need to restart for the new config and driver to take effect. if it fails, nvidia-xconfig made a backup of your config you can restore
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15:06<int_80h>i myself must BRB 2min
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15:10<int_80h>aaand back
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15:13<oggi>int_80h: I now see nvidia logo when starting computer, the login screen is in screen native resolution, but when i log in - whoah! - i got maybe 400x300 - the mouse pointer is in the size of an real arrow!
15:13<retrospectacus>try xrandr again
15:13<retrospectacus>xrandr -s 1280x1024
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15:14<oggi>how can i start terminal (i see just a small portion of the screen and have no GUI acces to the commands)
15:14<int_80h>you can ctrl-alt-f1
15:14<int_80h>and preface any commands with DISPLAY=:0
15:14<int_80h>so DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1280x1024
15:16<oggi>No protocol specified; Can't open display: 0
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15:16<retrospectacus>try DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal & then ctrl-alt-f7 and type the xrandr in there
15:17<int_80h>no, the Xauthority hasn't gotten set up
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15:17<int_80h>are you running it as your user
15:17<int_80h>that's what that protocol business was about
15:17<oggi>after i hit ctrl alt f1 i log in as a root
15:17<int_80h>log in as you
15:17<int_80h>as whatever user you're starting X as
15:17<retrospectacus>oh yeah
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15:18<oggi>Size 1280x1024 not found in available modes
15:18<int_80h>try just xrandr
15:19<int_80h>and see what the highest it shows is
15:19<oggi>Can't open display
15:19<int_80h>DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
15:19<oggi>1280x800 is the highest
15:19<int_80h>set that then
15:20<int_80h>DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1280x800
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15:20<oggi>it's the same; the login screen is ok, but after i log in it is much smaller
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15:21<int_80h>after you log in
15:21<int_80h>ctrl-alt-f1 to console
15:21<int_80h>log in there too
15:21<oggi>i'm back in console
15:21<int_80h>run DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 1280x800
15:21<int_80h>then ctrl-alt-f7
15:21<int_80h>to get back to your display
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15:21<int_80h>it SHOULD be where you left it, not back at the login screen
15:22<oggi>but when i run that command it shows nvidia logo and brings me to login screen
15:22<oggi>which has right screen resolution
15:22<int_80h>so your login screen is good
15:22<int_80h>but after logging in, it's bad
15:23<int_80h>at gdm, select 'session', and select 'failsafe terminal' (i think thats what its called)
15:23<int_80h>and try logging in again
15:23<oggi>cannot find "xterm" to start a failsafe sesssion
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15:23<int_80h>OK, back at your console prompt, install xterm
15:23<int_80h>then try again
15:24<int_80h>we'll figure this out yet lol
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15:25<oggi>ok, i'm in terminl, how do i install xterm
15:26<int_80h>it's most convenient if, this time, you log in as root, try ctrl-alt-f2 and log that one in as root
15:26<int_80h>and then run apt-get install xterm
15:27<oggi>I belive i'm not connected to internet now
15:29<int_80h>how did that happen? didn't you install kernel-source and etc?
15:29<oggi>i used to login as a user and then go to network settings to enable network; I'm not sure if that starts automaticly later
15:29<int_80h>try ping google
15:29<int_80h>network shouldn't require you to start it manually
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15:29<oggi>i haven't install anything besides this packages now
15:30<int_80h>well you should still be connected, then
15:30<int_80h>try the command i mentioned: apt-get install xterm
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15:30<retrospectacus>if it's wireless w/password you may need to login to gdm for it to connect
15:31<oggi>no, it's wired network, ping says unknown host
15:31<int_80h>retro: how does that work. is gnome-network-manager using gnome-keyring, or something?
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15:32<int_80h>oggi, on console, try /sbin/ifconfig -a
15:32<retrospectacus>yeah my laptop works like that
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15:32<retrospectacus>but if its wired should be fine
15:33<int_80h>that sucks, retro. you can easily set up networking to work even without X being installed by using wpa-assistant
15:33<int_80h>and then it'll happen at the network start portion of boot, rather than after login
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15:34<oggi>i see a lot of 0's in the report
15:34<int_80h>this is fine
15:34<oggi>TX and RX bytes...
15:35<int_80h>do you see anything after inet addr:
15:35<int_80h>usually 2nd line for each NIC
15:35<int_80h>you can /sbin/ifconfig -a | grep addr
15:35<int_80h>that the only one?
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15:36<oggi>inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
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15:36<int_80h>what does /sbin/ifconfig eth0 return
15:36<oggi>there is also wlan, but that doesn't works yet for shure
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15:37<oggi>error fetching interface information: Device not found
15:37<int_80h>oh dear
15:37<retrospectacus>how about ifconfig -a
15:37<oggi>oh boy, oh boy
15:37<int_80h>what about dmesg | grep -i eth
15:37<int_80h>retro he already ran that
15:37<int_80h>found wlan
15:37<int_80h>and lo
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15:37<oggi>command not found
15:38<retrospectacus>nm oggi - do the dmesg one
15:38<father0fnine>firmware-linux installed?
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15:38<int_80h>dmesg is part of util-linux
15:38<oggi>"please complain to your hardware vendor" haha
15:39<int_80h>util-linux is essential:yes and priority:required
15:39<int_80h>there's no way you should have a debian system without it
15:39<int_80h>is this an old box? or installed with an ancient CD? or have you gone hulk on it or something?
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15:40<oggi>I installed debian lenny 5.04 for amd64
15:40<int_80h>v. recently?
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15:41<oggi>tonight, after installation i came right here to ask for screen resolution
15:41<int_80h>i just don't know how you were getting these packages without an eth0. did you have the wlan enabled?
15:41<oggi>haven't done anything in between
15:42<int_80h>do you know what sort of ethernet card you have installed?
15:42<oggi>nvidia i belive
15:42<int_80h>try cat /etc/network/interfaces and see what lines there are for interfaces
15:43<int_80h>you could try modprobe forcedeth, but honestly default network stuff is autoprobed at boot... dunno how it could not exist now
15:44<oggi>there are "auto lo" the loopback network interface, than 'allow-hotplug eth0' as primary,
15:44<oggi>the later is this nvdida card
15:44<int_80h>ifup eth0
15:44<int_80h>run ifup eth0
15:45<oggi>no such device, and similiar errors
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15:46<int_80h>too much time could be spent investigating for these. try rebooting
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15:47<oggi>i tried that. Can i log in in gnome and have acces to screen resolution through some shortcuts (since i see only a portion of the screen)
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15:48<int_80h>i don't use gnome. you could put your old xorg.conf back if you wanted
15:48<int_80h>i am afraid i don't understand by what process your ethernet device disappears after logout. it's bad juju
15:49<oggi>and how do i do that
15:50<int_80h>cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.big && mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:50<cesurasean1>why are some of my virtualhosts giving 404s? index files work fine?
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15:50<int_80h>too many reasons that could be, cesurasean1
15:50<cesurasean1>when using *:80 on squeeze
15:51<int_80h>what webserver are you using
15:51<cesurasean1>i have no errors when i restart apache
15:51<int_80h>apache, OK
15:51<int_80h>read your logs
15:51<int_80h>if necessary, turn up logging
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15:53<cesurasean1>it seems its not reading my configs correctly
15:53<int_80h>that'd certainly be a problem
15:53<cesurasean1>its reading deafault, and default-ssl's doc path
15:53<cesurasean1>can i just remove those?
15:54<cesurasean1>comment them out and everything should be good for my vhosts?
15:54<int_80h>dunno what you mean. the automatic path for documentation only applies to localhost anyway
15:54<int_80h>and should never really interfere with your docroots
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15:54<int_80h>but commenting them out wont hurt anything either
15:54<int_80h>so: go for it
15:54<cesurasean1>still 404
15:55<int_80h>then I guess I was right about it not interfering :P
15:55<cesurasean1>[Thu Feb 11 14:54:40 2010] [error] [client] File does not exist: /htdocs, referer:
15:55<int_80h>if you want you can pastebinit, BUT i don't have unlimited bandwidth if it's a complicated config
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15:55<cesurasean1>somehow my doc root path is messed up
15:55<int_80h>/ /htdocs doesnt sound like a file that would exist
15:56<cesurasean1>why is it saying that?
15:56<int_80h>can't tell: not a mindreader
15:56<cesurasean1>because there is no doc root specified?
15:56<int_80h>did you not specify one?
15:56<int_80h>you need to, you know
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15:57<hellyeah>my compiz mess shhit
15:58<int_80h>then uninstall it
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15:58<sanguchito>Hi. I'm using Debian Lenny and would like to know if there is a graphical app to install .deb packages downloaded manually, similar to Ubuntu's.
15:58<retrospectacus>hellyeah: ask #compiz in - most ppl here do not use compiz
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15:58<jgoppert>i can only get gnome to start in single user mode what could be wrong?
15:58<int_80h>too many things, jgoppert
15:58<Zeadar>when compileing kernel... is there any idea to use checkinstall?
15:58<int_80h>what does the error message say
15:58<int_80h>wow question flood
15:59<hellyeah>retrospectacus, i am there
15:59<jgoppert>no error message, just locks out with a grey screen and an X
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15:59<int_80h>zeadar: in debian, you should be using make-kpkg
15:59<jgoppert>X for the cursor
15:59<cesurasean1>i never changed anything in apache
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15:59<int_80h>jgoppert: you should not start GUI programs in SU
15:59<cesurasean1>why is it not understand virtualhost's vroots?
15:59<cesurasean1>[Thu Feb 11 14:58:58 2010] [error] [client] File does not exist: /home/dnshosting.html,
15:59<jgoppert>its the only way i can get in, lol :-)
16:00<int_80h>cesurasean1, no offense, maybe you do not understand the config?
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16:00<int_80h>try reading the official examples at the apache site
16:00<cesurasean1>i do understand the config
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16:00<jgoppert>its freezes during normal boot, i've checked my logs, don't see anything
16:00<cesurasean1>is it the config is messed up so its misbhaving?
16:00<int_80h>jgoppert: single-user is for troubleshooting. you go to the CLI and fix things. MU is for GUI
16:00<int_80h>cesurasean1: can't tell without seeing config. but my instinct tells me you have configured it incorrectly. the error messages support my theory
16:01<Zeadar>int_80h: Right... have no idea on how to use that, you know of any usefull docs for newbies?
16:01<jgoppert>yeah i know, but i'm tyring to trouble shoot here, if it works in SU mode then what could be different, does SU mode not load all the modules?
16:01<int_80h>zeadar, google is our friend. there's a doc on debian wiki, i think.
16:01<int_80h>good luck on your kernel compile!
16:01<Zeadar>int_80h: well, thanks
16:02<int_80h>jgoppert: single user mode loads things only from /etc/rc1.d IIRC, not from rc2.d or above
16:02<int_80h>thus the number of scripts that are run is different
16:02<jgoppert>ok thanks, i'll check it out
16:03<cesurasean1>now im getting this
16:03<cesurasean1>File does not exist: /htdocs, referer:
16:03<cesurasean1>apache is just crapping out
16:03<cesurasean1>go figure!
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16:03<int_80h>cesurasean1, i am not capable of intuiting the problem from these anecdotes. if you want me to look over your config as I have time, I'll do what I can
16:04<jgoppert>so could i go into SU mode and then manually start each rc# and test until i can no longer log in ? lol
16:04<int_80h>but the errors clearly indicate your docroots are improperly configured
16:04<Zeadar>sanguchito: You mean Gebi? I tihnk it's installed by default, if not, apt-get install it. I think you need to right-click the .deb file though. the default app for .deb is archive manager.
16:04<int_80h>that might be one method, jgoppert. at what point does it freeze during normal boot?
16:05<oggi>int_80h: i managed by using blind tabs to navigate to screen resolution and set it to desired one!
16:05<int_80h>oggi: LOL. congrats
16:05<jgoppert>it tries to pop up the login screen but is grey instead
16:05<oggi>the resolution was 320x200
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16:05<sanguchito>Good, Zeadar, that's what I need, thanks
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16:06<retrospectacus>oggi: you got it to 1280x1024, with nvidia driver? Did you get your wired eth working?
16:06<cesurasean1>Did not find 'vacmAccessContextPrefix' in module #-1 (/usr/share/mibs/netsnmp/NET-SNMP-VACM-MIB)
16:06<cesurasean1>Did not find 'vacmAccessSecurityModel' in module #-1 (/usr/share/mibs/netsnmp/NET-SNMP-VACM-MIB)
16:07<cesurasean1>wow. my apache is really messed up accroding to logs
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16:08<cesurasean1>gonna try a windows reboot and see if maybe a pid is stuck
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16:08<oggi>retro: yes, everything is ok now. I just have to go to system -> Administration -> Network and enable networking (it asks for root password) and that's it
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16:09<retrospectacus>good to hear oggi - hopefully the resolution and network stays when rebooting
16:10<oggi>i hope :)
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16:13<fredz>How can I find a string (VAT) in a file on my server when I don't know where the file is?
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16:14<jhutchins_lt>fredz: Any clues at all to what it's associated with?
16:16<fredz>I am guessing the file will be a .php file, but it could be any config file.
16:16<int_80h>find / -type f -name *.php -exec grep 'string' '{}' \;
16:16<int_80h>it will take a long time lol
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16:17<int_80h>would be a lot better if you could narrow it down more
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16:19<sanguchito>Zeadar, the application is called gdebi :)
16:19<retrospectacus>fredz: replace 'string' with 'VAT' of course... if you have an idea where it is (/var/www perhaps), replace / with that path
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16:19<fredz>int_80h: TY, that is a starting point, I don't care how long it takes provided it finds something.
16:20<int_80h>np, that's why we're here
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16:24<fredz>int_80h: That produced heaps of code on the screen, but I am unable to find the file name. How can I refine the output to only give me a list of files containing the string?
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16:25<int_80h>replace 'grep' with 'grep -qil'
16:25<int_80h>quiet, case insensitive, list matching files
16:26<jhutchins_lt>int_80h: Wait, your broadening the search there.
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16:26<jhutchins_lt>yeah, wiht i
16:26<int_80h>you're right, sorry
16:27<int_80h>I add i to so many searches it becomes habit
16:27<int_80h>fredz, replace grep with grep -ql
16:27<int_80h>thanks jhutchins
16:27<jhutchins_lt>fredz: What more can you tell us about the alleged file?
16:28<fredz>I believe the file or files to be php template files.
16:28<jhutchins_lt>fredz: What for?
16:28<jhutchins_lt>fredz: How do you know the file has "VAT" in it?
16:28<oggi>so people, thank you very much for your help, i must go now, hope to read you again! good night!
16:29<fredz>It is part of my control panel for my web hosating server. I am using DTC.
16:29<int_80h>I'm out, ttyl folks
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16:30<jhutchins_lt>Ah HA! So if we knew where the files for the control panel were, we'd have a starting point!
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16:32<sney>fredz: are you on a VPS? is this control panel provided by the hosting company?
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16:33<fredz>sney: No, the control panel is on my own server here at the office.
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16:33<sney>what's the path to it in a browser?
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16:34<fredz>sney: to the control panel?
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16:36<fredz>sney: The primary (admin) control panel is not avail from outside the LAN, only the client panel is and the URL would depend on the domain using the panel.
16:37<sney>ok, well if the url were something like, then the directory with the cp in it on the web server would be either in or symlinked to /var/www/controlpanel
16:37<sney>in most cases.
16:37<oggi>hey people, it's me again, I forget to save this nice chat about nvidia drivers for future purposes, and I don't see now a complete list. Is it possible to get whole conversation from the begining?
16:38<jhutchins_lt>sney: or aliased.
16:39<sney>in most cases I said. sheesh
16:39<jhutchins_lt>fredz: If it's called "controlpanel" locate controlpanel and see what it returns.
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16:40<jhutchins_lt>sney: A lot of web apps install in /usr or /var these days and just use an alias in the conf dropin.
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16:40<jhutchins_lt>sney: FollowSymLinks can be a major performance hit on a web server, especially if you enable .htaccess overrides.
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16:42<jannik>I got a intel 3945abg wireless card in my laptop. The driver is installed but i can't find any networks. any1 got an idea?
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16:44<babilen>jannik: Do you have the firmware installed?
16:44<babilen>!tell jannik -about iwl3945
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16:45<jannik>ah that might be it. thanks.
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16:46<babilen>jannik: Come back if you still have problems
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16:47<chron>i want to create /mnt/sda for /dev/sda everytime it is plugged in, like how knoppix does
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16:49<kop>chron: Do you want it to mount?
16:49<chron>no mount
16:49<chron>only the folders created
16:49<kop>chron: What is "it" that's being plugged in?
16:49<chron>a usb device
16:49<um9i>Hi all. Can someone help me with install'ing tar.gz files ?
16:49<chron>but i noticed knoppix will also create /mnt/disk for any disk
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16:50<kop>chron: You want empty directories created when a usb stick is plugged in?
16:50<babilen>um9i: What do you mean with 'installing' ?
16:50<chron>or when any disk is detected
16:50<chron>so if i have /dev/hda and /dev/hdb, there should be a corresponding /mnt/hda and /mnt/hdb
16:51<kop>chron: It's a udev thing. Done in /etc/udev/rules.d/ iirc. But Debian already does this sort of thing under /media/
16:51<babilen>chron: I am sure that you can write a HAL rule to do that for you.
16:51<babilen>err udev
16:51<chron>i'm actually not using debian right now, so i'm asking
16:51<chron>because i saw this behavior on debian based livecd
16:52<kop>chron: Regular debian works just like the live cds.
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16:52<jhutchins_lt>um9i: Usually you don't install a tar.gz file. It usually contains stuff that breaks your system when you try to compile and install it, and you have to set up a "build environment" with all of the compiler tools first.
16:52<chron>it creates those /mnt directories?
16:52<chron>when a disk is detected?
16:52<kop>um9i: You don't want to install from tarballs unless you know what you're doing. Your system will, eventually, break. You want to use apt, meaning aptitude or synaptic etc. and install stock debian software from the debian repositories.
16:53<kop>chron: The debian policy is /media/. You could frob the rules if you like.
16:53<chron>i don't know what the udev rule would look like
16:53<chron>do you know which rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ does it?
16:54<um9i>babilen: i need a flash player for firefox, i dowload tar.gz file, in console type TAR -zxvf , then type ./configure , but system write an error "bash: ./configure: No such file or directory"
16:54<chron>i can just load up a livecd and get it
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16:54<jhutchins_lt>chron: Why wouldn't installed debian do it the same way?
16:54<um9i>sorry for my poor English
16:54<jhutchins_lt>babilen: What's the bot here?
16:54<kop>um9i: If you want a flash player use the non-free repositories.
16:54<jhutchins_lt>dpkg: flash?
16:54<dpkg>hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
16:55<jhutchins_lt>um9i: See the wiki above for how to do it without having to learn software compiling.
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16:55<jhutchins_lt>um9i: Save software compiling for later, it's fun.
16:55<kop>!tell um9i about non-free sources
16:56<kop>um9i: Then you just install the flash player like any other bit of debian software.
16:56<jhutchins_lt>um9i: Works great.
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16:57<kubyz>re =)
16:57<kop>chron: I don't know. There's docs in /usr/share/doc/udev, and of course you can use the existing rules as examples.
16:57<um9i>kop: mh.. i'm noob in *nix, but want to learn it. I need find info about "non - free repositories" ?
16:58<kop>um9i: Did you read what dpkg told you? What don't you understand?
16:58<babilen>um9i: type: /msg dpkg non-free
16:58<kop>babilen: That's :/msg dpkg non-free sources, but I already had dpkg tell him.
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17:00<babilen>kop: yes - Hence the need for more information
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17:01<jhutchins_lt>kop: Sometimes people don't or can't get PM's.
17:01<um9i>Oke, snx to all
17:01<jhutchins_lt>kop: I've noticed some new users seem to miss them.
17:01<kop>jhutchins_lt: Some clients do odd things with them.
17:02<jhutchins_lt>Yep. Time to walk the dog, later.
17:02<babilen>jhutchins_lt: have fun
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17:09<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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17:10<kop>faiska: Just figured I'd tell you about language. You might want to type /msg dpkg ask
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17:20<jgoppert>I figured out why gnome was freezing, at run level 2 network manager was launching and that po'd my ldap/krb5/autofs system somehow?
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17:22<jgoppert>should i do a bug report on this?
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17:33<oggi>hallo, can somebody help me to get "Add/Remove Applications" in System -> Administration menu in gnome
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17:38<jhutchins_lt>jgarvey: I think you need a clearer idea of why it's a problem.
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17:39<jhutchins_lt>jgarvey: Sorry, guess he's gone, meant that for jgoppert.
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19:26<Develober15215>Hey Every Body :)
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19:26<Develober15215>How is it Going Here ?
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19:27<james__>Same kind of stuff, different day. So far.
19:28<mib_bja>Gentlemen, next door is #debian-offtopic, first round of beers is on me
19:28<Develober15215>Here Was Always The Same Day :( Hope TO Make Few Changes :P
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19:41<cesurasean1>does anyone have trouble accessing, or is it me?
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19:44<cesurasean1>anyone here good with html and tell me my stupid mistake?
19:44<james__>What do you need?
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19:44<cesurasean1>koollman, thx
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19:50<cesurasean1>anyone here know why i would have an issue with safari but not ie or firefox?
19:50<cesurasean1>its such a bummer too. i can't figure out the small detail to fix it.
19:51<james__>Hmm. It's supposed to be standards-compliant like Firefox.
19:51<themill>One of the great things about standards is there is so many of them to choose from.
19:52<otakup0pe>hello debian friends, i am curious about best-practices regarding building packages for multiple architectures
19:52<james__>Ha! Well put.
19:52<otakup0pe>specifically doing so via 'debuild' and then uploading to a (private) pool-style repo
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19:53<otakup0pe>i have it working but it's so rough around the edges and still seems to involve manually generating checksums (until i automate it) for the package_x.y.z_multi.changes
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19:54<thayer>is there an equilivent to flash player on linux or is that just something you have to download off the internet?
19:55<james__>There is, or you can use the original flash player.
19:55<james__>Most just go with that.
19:55<thayer>ok so just download that at
19:55<james__>Yep, that should take care of it. It's also in non-free repos, I think.
19:55<james__>Make sure it's the ".deb".
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19:58<thayer>i cant find it in the file i downloaded
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19:59<james__>Oh, the file you downloaded is probably the ".deb".
19:59<Megaf>hi all, whats wrong? > cdrecord -v dev=/dev/dvdrw debian-504-i386-amd64-source-DVD-1.iso driveropts=burnfree
19:59<james__>What are you running, by the way? Ubuntu, sidux, Debian?
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20:00<james__>Ah, then the rest is easy.
20:00<thayer>theres no instal file inside the folder
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20:00<james__>Yeah, it doesn't do that for you like Windows does.
20:00<james__>Do you know how to get to a terminal?
20:01<thayer>root or just regular
20:01<james__>Root, to install.
20:01<james__>Okay, what's the location of the file?
20:01<james__>Or rather, where'd you save it?
20:02<thayer>umm it went into a folder called /
20:02<james__>Okay, that's the root folder.
20:02<james__>So what you do is go to the root terminal, type "cd /"
20:02<james__>Just like that.
20:03<abrotman>thayer: you could use adobe flash or the free gnash
20:03<abrotman>!tell thayer about adobe flash
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20:03<abrotman>thayer: do NOT use the .deb from the website
20:03<james__>Just checked that, it's for Ubuntu...
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20:03<james__>Sorry, didn't mean to lead you off there.
20:03<thayer>ya it said that
20:04<james__>Okay, I thought they had a generic .deb.
20:04<thayer>but i kjinda just went with it
20:04<abrotman>thayer: it will cause aptitude to have issues
20:04<abrotman>!tell thayer about bpo
20:04<james__>What you want to do is go through Synaptic or apt, on the command line.
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20:04<james__>Know where Synaptic is?
20:05<abrotman>james__: he cannot use that package
20:05<abrotman>it will *break* his aptitude or package manager
20:05<james__>abrotman: I just told him.
20:05<abrotman>told him what?
20:05<james__>Told him not to use it, it's for Ubuntu.
20:05<thayer>ok w/e whats the package name
20:05<abrotman>thayer: read the instructions at .. then install the flashplugin-nonfree package from there
20:06<james__>Do what he just said.
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20:55<hopchewer>Hello. Anyone know how to trouble shoot a nvidia driver on a new kernel build?
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20:55<antec>I'm not sure how to correct this usb permissions problem. When I run Virtualbox as root I'm given access to usb devices but when I run as normal user I cannot access them. I'm using non-free virtualbox 3.1.2 on sid 64bit
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20:58<chealer>hopchewer: just ask your question.
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21:03<antec>I also don't see any sort of usb entry in /etc/group
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21:03<hopchewer>I have a new kernel build and when I boot into the new kernel, I get failed to request firmware error and failed to start x server error. I logged in as root and did the following: #/etc/init.d/gdm stop #m-a clean nvidia #m-a a-i nvidia #aptitude install nvidia-glx. When I reboot I get the same problem.
21:04<abrotman>antec: is your normal user in the plugdev group ?
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21:04<antec>and also member of vboxusers
21:04<antec>does vboxusers need to join plugdev?
21:05<antec>wait no thats a group not a user
21:05<terr_>anyone with any palm experiance here? Doesn any one know of a #palm channel?
21:07<abrotman>antec: perhaps ask #vbox on
21:07<antec>though, when i 'groups', vboxusers does not appear for my normal user
21:08<antec>when i adduser from root is says my user is a member
21:08<antec>and /etc/group seems to confirm that
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21:13<abrotman>antec: you might want to logout/login .. check again
21:15<antec>ill give it a shot
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21:19<antec>I expected the new group to show up instantly after adding it
21:20<antec>didnt think i have to restart session
21:20<terr_>I thought I saw a google reference to the idea that Debian will run on a palm pre. DOes anyone know?
21:22<Megaf>Hi all, is there any .img i can use to do a netinstall?
21:22<Megaf>somthing that will bring up the network, then download the installer files and then install Debian from Internet
21:22<antec>Its on the downloads page
21:23<Megaf>it its not
21:23<Megaf>its not*
21:23<antec>Where are you looking?
21:23<antec>I swear it's ther
21:24<Megaf>antec: its not, show me
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21:24<antec>do you want stable/lenny?
21:24<Megaf>antec: this one?
21:25<Megaf>this will look for an ISO in my hard drive, then will try to mount it and install from there
21:25<Megaf>250MB for nothing
21:25<Megaf>or, of nothing :)
21:26<Megaf>try it yourself
21:26<abrotman>there is a netinst ISO
21:26<Megaf>i know
21:26<Megaf>but i need a .img, to dd to a usb drive
21:26<abrotman>!tell Megaf about usb install
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21:27<Megaf>abrotman: did you read what i said?
21:27<Megaf>those images wont work
21:28<Megaf>it used to work
21:28<Megaf>months ago
21:29<Megaf>lets do the hard way
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21:30<Megaf>abrotman: now i see, i need to add the iso to the usb drive by myselft
21:30<Megaf>thats really odd
21:30<Megaf>but ok
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21:37<antec>Is ndiswrapper only for wifi drivers?
21:38<Megaf>good question
21:38<gsimmons>antec: It's intended for use with wireless LAN devices, but could be used with Ethernet controllers, etc.
21:38<Megaf>i did read that it work with some other devices
21:38<Megaf>like lan nics
21:38<antec>I thought I'd once heard of some kind of wrapper for other drives. I'm thinking for webcams at the moment.
21:38<Megaf>will not work
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21:40<keepitreal>any older guys want to chat?
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21:49<Megaf>abrotman: thanks for your help
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22:00<groulder>has a new ver of debian been released or something?
22:00<groulder>oh, update has been released.
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22:55<magyar>hmm, is freenode down?
22:55<jar>one can only hope
22:55<mib_bja>!lart jar
22:55*dpkg duct-tapes jar to the floor and drools on him
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22:55<MJD>magyar: I hope not. I'm connected to it right now ...
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22:56<jar>!fart mib_bja
22:56*dpkg farts in mib_bja's general direction. Go away, or I shall taunt you a second time!
22:56<magyar>MJD, it keeps saying: [22:55] [Error] magyar is currently unavailable.
22:56<MJD>magyar: That probably means someone is already using the nick magyar.
22:57<abrotman>magyar: no
22:57<mib_bja>I think you should ask on #oftc
22:57<magyar>MJD: i registered it 4 years ago and password protected it
22:57<jar>try ghosting then
22:57<abrotman>there is no magyar on freenode
22:57<mib_bja>it doesn't mean they didn't give it away
22:57<abrotman>not currently
22:58<magyar>abrotman: i cant get on, not sure why
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22:58<abrotman>magyar: so try another nick .. and then ask #freenode .. this isn't the place for that
22:58<magyar>could be konversation is f-ed, but than again I am here
22:58<magyar>abrotman: doesn't allow me to select, greyed out
22:58<sney>not really that amazing that more than one person would call themselves 'magyar'
22:59<sney>magyar: try in irssi
22:59<abrotman>magyar: then get a new IRC client .. this really has nothing to do with #debian here
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22:59<abrotman>this isn't the freenode help desk
22:59<magyar>well. i know guys are on both, so why not ask
22:59*mib_bja thinks this is no desk at all but an irc channel
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23:12<vantage>hi, i'm having a really wacky problem with lvm/raid in sid. any new kernel initrd.img doesn't find my lvm anymore. I can boot off and old kernel/initrd.img's and it works, but for some reason pvscan, lvscan come up empty (which is odd since the filesystem is mounted and works...)
23:12<vantage>If I boot off a lenny rescue CD, i can assemble the raid, list and mount the lvm no problem
23:13<vantage>It's like sid can't read my lvm metadata anymore (but old initrd.img files can still somehow boot off of it?)
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23:14<norbert_>hi, I'm in Debian and when I double click on a Flash window inside Firefox, the focus gets lost... is there anything I can do about this?
23:14<metasmv>vantage, check /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
23:15<vantage>metasmv: it's empty (except for the examples), but I've never had to add anything to it
23:15<metasmv>norbert_, which Debian and which Flash, versions i mean
23:16<metasmv>vantage, edit that file and add: dm-mod
23:16<norbert_>Adobe Flash 10 and Debian Stable
23:17<vantage>metasmv: just that? And updateinitramfs again?
23:17<metasmv>vantage, then run as root: update-initramfs -k all -u
23:17<metasmv>it works for me. :)
23:17<vantage>metasmv: why is dm-mod suddenly needed?
23:18<metasmv>vantage, no idea. i've been using it since more than a year. never had a system without it...
23:19<vantage>metasmv: ok, going to try rebooting with it. Thanks!
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23:28*jar repents
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23:30<jar>:( i'm a sinner
23:31<rijo>is it getting a little hot in here?...
23:32<jar>are you going to recommend that we take off all our clothes?
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23:33<rijo>what ever floats your boat dude
23:33<vantage>metasmv: no luck, same issue. lvm not found
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23:34<metasmv>vantage, and i suppose you do have lvm2 installed, right?
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23:34<vantage>metasmv: yup. I even reinstalled it a couple times, just to be sure
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23:36<metasmv>vantage, sorry, no other idea...
23:37<vantage>metasmv: from busybox, I can see /dev/mapper exists and has the control file in it, but that's all. I can run lvm and then run pvdisplay pvscan but they come up empty
23:37<vantage>metasmv: the raid is up fine though.
23:37<metasmv>vantage, we're not talking about encrypted lvm right?
23:38<vantage>metasmv: nope, just lvm on raid
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23:39<vantage>metasmv: what I really don't get is, I'm booted into my old 2.6.29-2 kernel with an old initrd.img and my system is up and running fine, the device exists in /dev/mapper/root-root and is mounted, but the lvm tools *still* come up empty
23:39<metasmv>vantage, what you mean with 'they come up empty' as in no filesystem?
23:40<vantage>metasmv: pvscan: No matching physical volumes found
23:40<vantage>metasmv: lvscan returns nothing
23:40<vantage>metasmv: but i'm using it right now! :)
23:42<metasmv>try this: modprobe dm-mod && lvchange -ay volgroupname
23:42<metasmv>replace volgroupname with the name of the volume group
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23:43<vantage>metasmv: not found, skipping
23:43<vantage>metasmv: module is already loaded (dm_mod)
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23:44<metasmv>vantage, sorry, no other idea.
23:45<vantage>metasmv: i've also got a weird device /dev/md0p1 that I don't recall seeing before
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23:46<vantage>metasmv: but I suppose that could have always been there and I just never noticed (I assume it's from the 1 partition on the raid)
23:47<metasmv>vantage, i think so too. but is above my knowledge. i never used raid before.
23:47<vantage>metasmv: ah. Well, thanks for your help.
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