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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-02-12

---Logopened Fri Feb 12 00:00:18 2010
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00:33<Bytes>Buenas
00:33<sney>!es
00:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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00:42<seshiro>?
00:42<allu2>hi
00:42<allu2>sen
00:42<allu2>seshiro:
00:42<allu2>:P
00:42<allu2>:)
00:42<allu2>well i have to go now :P
00:42<seshiro>hi hi!
00:42<seshiro>who are you?
00:43<allu2>i am me :P
00:43<seshiro>OMG! I knew it!
00:43<allu2>well i'll be late soon :P
00:43<seshiro>see ya later then :D
00:43<allu2>see ya! :D
00:43<seshiro>;)
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00:45<assa>hi
00:45<assa>anybody using virtualbox-ose in lenny? Is there any guest-os-support-list for that version?
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00:55<kmwangi>kool
00:55<twb>Can rmadison do a glob or partial match?
00:55<kmwangi>yeah it does
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02:03<krasi>hi all
02:04<jar>hey
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02:06<krasi>How i can enable ip_forward forever. i.e. w/o using every time echo command in startup scripts ?
02:06<jar>no idea, im a desktop user :x
02:07<gsimmons>dpkg: tell krasi -about ip forwarding
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02:33<archtype>ft. collins neone?
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02:35<archtype>looking for a team..
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02:36<sney>you're on a few hours too late for most of the north america crowd, archtype
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02:36<archtype>nah we don't sleep here sney
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02:37<jar>pfft
02:37<jar>im on the east coast
02:37<jar>still rockin'
02:37<archtype>right on
02:37<jar>;\
02:37<jar>er
02:37<jar>;]
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02:40<archtype>we're all just trash blowing in the wind --
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02:40<jar>lol
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02:53<tuxcrafter>hi all how can i make the output of netstat -atnp fit on my screen
02:53<tuxcrafter>the output is more then 80 characters
02:53<tuxcrafter>but netstat seems to cut it down
02:54<tuxcrafter>and | less -S also does nog work
02:54<tuxcrafter>my actual screen is big engough 23"
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02:54<tuxcrafter>i am missing just some crusial information form the netstat output that is cut down
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02:58<jm_>which part?
02:58-!-viljaste [~viljaste@198.59.65.62.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
02:59<tuxcrafter>jm_: the last column with the PID/Program name
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03:02<jm_>tuxcrafter: it's limited to 20 characters in the code
03:02<Lantizia>Morning :)
03:03<tuxcrafter>jm_: hmm that just sucks ...
03:03<tuxcrafter>jm_: many thanks for figuring that out :D
03:03<jm_>tuxcrafter: should be trivial to recompile
03:03<jm_>(and change)
03:03<Lantizia>You know the DCC thing... I know it's not exactly popular now - but does Debian use a DCC core?
03:04<tuxcrafter>if it is acceptable to change an upstream patch would be better
03:04<jm_>yeah I guess it's rather silly to have 20 char limit in 2010
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03:12<tuxcrafter>jm_: if you want you can create the patch? I will give you an nice donation for it to an project of choice
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03:13<jm_>tuxcrafter: well I can tell you what to change
03:14<jm_>tuxcrafter: #define PROGNAME_WIDTH 20
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03:15<jm_>(that's in netstat.c)
03:16<tofix>hello guys, i'm a bit noob and i would like to know if there is a command just "uptime" but that gives the start time : ex : serveur started this day at this time ..... or is there a file on which attributes will reveal the startup time ?
03:17<jm_>tofix: do you have bootlog enabled?
03:17<tofix>jm_ : yes
03:17<jm_>tofix: ll /var/log/boot
03:17<jm_>or ls -l
03:18<tofix>jm_ : it don't gives me the right date
03:18<jm_>tofix: then someone has messed with /var/log/boot file
03:18<tofix>jm_ : sorry , it does
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03:19<tuxcrafter>jm_: thanks
03:19<tofix>jm_ : yes i founded /var/log/boot.log wrong date but a /var/log/boot.msg correct , someone handled syslog-ng or is it something else that cover boot log ?
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03:21<jm_>tofix: bootlogd logs to /var/log/boot by default, did you change it in /etc/default/bootlogd?
03:22<tofix>jm_ : i'm not the only one that handle this box ... maybe someone touched it
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03:22<jm_>tofix: it might be something else that file
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03:23<jmm>hello.
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04:26<screenn>how to run rsync with skip exists files on destination source?
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04:29<twb>screenn: -u ?
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04:33<jmarsden>screenn: --ignore-existing
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04:36<screenn>thanks
04:36<jmarsden>You're welcome.
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05:15<antec>if i compile a binary from source that required me to install a bunch of libraries, can i safely remove those libraries when I'm done to make some space?
05:16<twb>antec: don't compile packages from source.
05:16<jm_>uninstalling them will tell you what else will go with them, so yeah should be safe as you can always interrupt it after checking the list
05:16<twb>jm_: oh, see, I read that as him saying he installed a bunch of libraries *from source*, too.
05:17<jm_>twb: well i assumed he used packages for those, but if not ...
05:17<antec>no the libraries i downloaded from the repository so that i could compile a binary from source
05:17<twb>As a rule of thumb, removing libfoo-dev packages will not affect running binaries -- removing libfoo1 packages will.
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05:17<jarek>hello
05:17<antec>thats what i thought
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05:24<jarek>i have question
05:25<jarek>my debian show ip address in the dansguqrdian raport
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05:27<jarek>i would like that it showed names of hosts
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05:34<twb>jarek: can the host running squid resolve those IPs?
05:34<twb>jarek: maybe you just need to fix nss or dhcp
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05:40<jarek>< twb> my resolv
05:40<jarek>< twb> my resolv
05:40<jarek>nameserver 194.204.152.34
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05:42<jarek>< twb> dhcp host Izabela-Kolczarek { hardware ethernet 00:30:05:89:b1:1c;
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05:47<jm_>jarek: where is it getting data from?
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05:54<Megaf>hi all, X.org keep using a lot of CPU
05:54<Megaf>why????
05:55<twb>Megaf: because it's bloated crap?
05:55<Megaf>twb: but thius happens only in debian
05:56<Megaf>i had never had any problem in any distro or os
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05:56<Megaf>with mandriva, the cpu usage its like,. 0,0%
05:57<Megaf>and with debian, its alway 40%+
05:57<twb>Megaf: maybe your card was made by a FOSS-hostile vendor like Nvidia or AMD/ATI, so by default you're performind all 2D and 3D rending in software.
05:57<jarek>dhcp3-server
05:58<Megaf>twb: nvidia drivers already installed and working
05:58<jm_>no not dns, where is dansguardian report tool getting the data from?
05:58<Megaf>debian is a crap
05:58<Megaf>=/
05:59<twb>Megaf: what evidence do you have that your tainted proprietary driver is working?
05:59<Megaf>direct rendering: yes
05:59<rgouveia>hello ... everytime I run aptitude it wants to uninstall 258 packages, including xorg and gnome. how can I cancel that?
05:59<twb>Megaf: fair enough.
05:59<Megaf>twb: its a nvidia 8200
06:00<themill>dpkg: tell rgouveia about unmarkauto
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06:00<jarek>how translate ip on names of local hosts
06:00<Megaf>i have a 4 core 3,2 GHz CPU, with 4GB of ram, Debian is fucking slow here
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06:01<Megaf>because of the high cpu use by xorg
06:01<Megaf>what can i do?
06:01<rgouveia>themill: thanks, I'll look into it
06:01<twb>Megaf: are you running i386 or amd64?
06:01<Megaf>twb: amd64
06:02<twb>Megaf: removing X would be the obvious way to improve performance.
06:02<jarek>i have debian 5 dhcp3 squid2.7 dansguardian firewall - how translate local ip to names hosts
06:02<Megaf> 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 12 22:12:20 UTC 2010
06:02<Megaf>twb: pfff
06:02<Megaf>any other help people?
06:02<Megaf>i needa not useless help
06:03<jm_>try newer nvidia driver
06:03<themill>Megaf: pastebinning your Xorg.0.log might be useful. You've not actually told us anything useful yet.
06:03<antec>funny, im running make in a terminal and watching youtube on and old athlon64 with no hardware accel any my xorg is on 5%
06:04<twb>Dropping it down to vesa or nouveau and seeing if the load goes away would probably also tell you something
06:04<Megaf>themill: http://pastebin.com/m1e8d3a09
06:04<twb>antec: you're probably using XV for the video, which basically lets the X client blit directly on the GPU
06:04<Megaf>antec: thats normal
06:05<antec>no i def. installed xorg
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06:05<twb>antec: unless you're running your X clients remotely, of course, like the goddess intended.
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06:05<twb>antec: XV is an extension to the X11 protocol. Xorg implements it.
06:05<antec>ahh
06:05<Megaf>brb
06:06<antec>all i know is that im using the free radeon driver
06:06<antec>does what i need
06:06<antec>on this box anyway...
06:06<jm_>that one does have acceleration for old hardware
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06:07<antec>does it? my card is an 8500 but if i say, turn on compositing in gnome is crazy slow
06:07<twb>Eh, maybe compiz is just shit
06:07<antec>and the glxgears fps is erally low
06:07<jm_>man radeon shall tell you the details of what it supports
06:07<antec>no compiz
06:07<twb>It's certainly not any good at managing windows
06:08<antec>you can enable composting in gnome through gconf-editor
06:08<twb>!tell antec -about glxgears
06:08<antec>its not worth the slowdown for dropshadows and stuff
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06:09<antec>i know its not a benchmark
06:09<Megaf>debian`s xorg is crap
06:09<twb>Megaf: fix it, then.
06:09<Megaf> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
06:09<Megaf> 4510 root 20 0 375m 39m 11m S 48 1.1 0:15.74 Xorg
06:09<Megaf>twb: do it you
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06:09<twb>Megaf: I can't reproduce the problem, so I can't fix it.
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06:10<Megaf>twb: im not a programmer, im a user who wants a working OS
06:10<berto>the iceweasel spell checker stopped working after I installed the backported 3.5 version
06:10<twb>Megaf: then pay someone to fix it.
06:10<berto>is this a known problem?
06:11<Megaf>twb: im going to add you to the ignore list
06:11<Megaf>for ever
06:11<twb>Megaf: complaining won't fix it.
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06:11<mib_bkl82284inhd>yellow?
06:11<jm_>snow
06:12<antec>man
06:12<mib_bkl82284inhd>god damn it
06:12<mib_bkl82284inhd>i feel so naked in this room
06:12<mib_bkl82284inhd>no cloak
06:12<mib_bkl82284inhd>ughhh
06:12<mib_bkl82284inhd>anyways
06:12<mib_bkl82284inhd>are there any wikipedia admins in here by chance?
06:12<twb>People still wear cloaks in the first world? Goddamn, I'm missing out AGAIN
06:12<twb>mib_bkl82284inhd: try #wikipedia on freenode
06:12<Megaf>twb: thanks for oyu completely useless help
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06:12<mib_bkl82284inhd>they banned me..
06:13<mib_bkl82284inhd>dude...no admin is taking me seriously when i tell them i'm a changed person..
06:13<twb>mib_bkl82284inhd: then I guess you need to reflect on what you did to get banned
06:13<mib_bkl82284inhd>no more vandalism for me
06:13<mib_bkl82284inhd>i have
06:13<mib_bkl82284inhd>none of them are taking me seriously
06:13<mib_bkl82284inhd>they keep bringing up past posts
06:13<Megaf>i thought Debian have a good and helpful comunity, what a mistake!!!
06:13<mib_bkl82284inhd>i hate thatt
06:13<twb>mib_bkl82284inhd: asking random channels if they have Wikipedia admins is just going to get you banned from those channels, too.
06:14<mib_bkl82284inhd>lol
06:14<twb>!tell Megaf about smart-questions
06:14<mib_bkl82284inhd>is debian an os?
06:15<twb>mib_bkl82284inhd: the term "operating system" is not well-defined, but by most definitions, Debian is one.
06:15<mib_bkl82284inhd>yep it is
06:15<mib_bkl82284inhd>just wikipediaed it
06:15<mib_bkl82284inhd>: )
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06:15<antec>haha
06:16<mib_bkl82284inhd>looks cool..
06:16<mib_bkl82284inhd>rather mess with ubuntu though
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06:16<Megaf>im so frustrated and disapointed
06:16<Megaf>goodbye
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06:16<antec>someone get megaf some fries
06:17<Slydder1>hey all. am having problems writing to my usb stick from gnome. it mounts and I can read data from it but am not allowed to write to it unless I do it as root from the shell. am running lenny and all settings I can think of are correct
06:17<mib_bkl82284inhd>*gets megaf some fries*
06:17<mib_bkl82284inhd>here you go megaf
06:17<jm_>!vfatrw
06:17<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
06:17<mib_bkl82284inhd>*hits him in his chops*
06:17<antec>you cant have a whaaaaaaaaamburger without fries
06:17<mib_bkl82284inhd>lolol
06:17<babilen>mib_bkl82284inhd: He's gone - Do you have a Debian related question?
06:17<Slydder1>not with fstab. vfs or fuse.
06:18<mib_bkl82284inhd>can i rm my debian os?
06:18<jm_>it's probably very similar with fuse
06:18<babilen>mib_bkl82284inhd: sure
06:18<twb>Slydder1: if the filesystem mounted right now?
06:18<mib_bkl82284inhd>will the command work?
06:18<Slydder1>yeah.
06:18<mib_bkl82284inhd>you sure?
06:18<Slydder1>it mounts no prob.
06:18<twb>Slydder1: please "grep fat /proc/mounts" and transcribe the output (to a pastebin, if there are lots of lines)
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06:19<Slydder1>can read and write as root from shell but as user from gnome only read access
06:19<mib_bkl82284inhd>isn't debian ubuntu's gay brother?
06:19<babilen>mib_bkl82284inhd: Stop it please
06:19<mib_bkl82284inhd>okay fine
06:19<mib_bkl82284inhd>damn..
06:19<mib_bkl82284inhd>just asking..
06:19<Slydder1>/dev/sdb1 /media/usbhd-sdb1 vfat rw,sync,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0
06:19<mib_bkl82284inhd>babilen
06:20<mib_bkl82284inhd>will the rm command work with debian?
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06:20<babilen>mib_bkl82284inhd: try it
06:20<twb>Slydder1: if I'm reading that correctly, it's saying that only the owner (presumably root) can make writes.
06:20<mib_bkl82284inhd>dude...come on...
06:20<Slydder1>mib_bkl82284inhd: try rm -rf /
06:20<babilen>mib_bkl82284inhd: rm works very well
06:20<mib_bkl82284inhd>you're suppose to be the neutral moderator..
06:20<Slydder1>correct
06:20<Slydder1>but am not sure where I need to change it
06:21<babilen>mib_bkl82284inhd: Stop it please
06:21<mib_bkl82284inhd>what???
06:21<mib_bkl82284inhd>what did i do?
06:21<twb>Slydder1: you need to find out what's mounting it, and make it mount with either -ouser=Slydder1 or -ofmask=0002 or so.
06:21<twb>Slydder1: I'm afraid I can't help you with the GNOME bits
06:21<mib_bkl82284inhd>why are you picking on me specifically?
06:21<mib_bkl82284inhd>i'm not even doing anything to you..
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06:22<Slydder1>the only thing the dmesg shows is that usb-storage recognizes it and then scans it.
06:22<Slydder1>not sure what mounts it though. I thought vfs was the default for gnome. but I also have fuse installed.
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06:27<antec>nite all
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06:33<rgouveia>is the Network Administration Tool, in lenny, the way to configure Network Manager?
06:33<K0JIbKA>hi!
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06:42<K0JIbKA>rgouveia: Depends on your purpose
06:43<rgouveia>K0JIbKA: well I want to use different profiles, with different settings each (IP...). I did that on Network Administration Tool but it doesn't seem to get enabled. I was thinking it could be conflicting with Network Manager or such...
06:45<K0JIbKA>rgouveia:You have to save each and every profile you've created first, then enable one by one according to your need
06:46<K0JIbKA>It all done in Network Administration Tool
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06:48<rgouveia>right ... I did all of that, and selected the one I want and closed the tool. I then issued a ifconfig eth0 and my IP isn't set neither my routes
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06:49<K0JIbKA>try to power reset both machine and router. router first.
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06:51<rgouveia>it's not dhcp and I was referring to my static routes
06:51<babilen>rgouveia: Which version of Debian are you using?
06:52<K0JIbKA>Thats ok.actually as far as I see, everything in Debian should be done using command line...
06:52<rgouveia>babilen: lenny
06:52<rgouveia>K0JIbKA: /etc/network/interfaces?
06:52<K0JIbKA>in my case only hardware reset works it out
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06:53<babilen>rgouveia: IIRC you can't configure wired devices with the NM version in lenny. You would have to configure those in /etc/network/interfaces and/or use wicd from backports to manage them
06:55<babilen>,versions network-manager
06:55<judd>network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6; etch-security: 0.6.4-6+etch1; lenny: 0.6.6-3; lenny-backports: 0.7.2-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.999-2; sid: 0.7.999-3
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06:55<babilen>rgouveia: You could also install the network-manager version from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) and follow the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
06:55<babilen>rgouveia: Do these settings change frequently?
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07:01<kamal>I get blank page in iceweasel when there is a jsp page.
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07:50<jesperj>"time" doesn't seem to parse the options correctly in my shell (bash). I tried the -f option and it says "command not found". Not even "time --help" works
07:50<jesperj>same error
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07:51<jm_>you're using built-in command called time, try /usr/bin/time instead
07:51<petemc>time is a bash build-in
07:51<petemc>built
07:51<jm_>for built-in one use help time
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07:53<jm_>to clarify, help is a bash command, to get help for built-in do 'help foo'
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08:02<jesperj>thanks!
08:02<jesperj>that solved it :)
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08:09<Wereww>рш фдд
08:09<Wereww>hi all
08:14<edhunter>hi Wereww
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08:20<Cartman>d
08:20<Cartman>yo
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09:38<Thx>ciao a tutti
09:41<Thx>ho un problema: ho installato debian 5.0 su raid 1; ho anche installato xen con relativo kernel solamente che al boot grub (0.97) mi fa veder l'elenco di tutti i kernel installati ma quando seleziono il kernel xen mi dice "invalid magic number"..come posso risolver?grazie mille
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09:41<koollman>!it
09:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
09:42<Thx>grazie dpkg
09:43<@weasel>prego
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09:44<xover>what is the defacto load balancing software for linux?
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09:44<Thx>dpkg: qui comunque posso postar in inglese vero?
09:44<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Thx
09:44<babilen>Thx: dpkg is a bot
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09:45<chaos>where do i get the quick & dirty version of setting up nfs these days?
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09:45<babilen>!tell chaos -about nfs
09:45<Thx>babilen: thanks babilen...so can i post in english?
09:45<babilen>chaos: See the wiki
09:45<babilen>Thx: sure
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09:45<Ajurna>hi
09:45<chaos>thx
09:46<xover>!tell xover -about load balancing
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09:46<babilen>xover: /msg dpkg <topic> ;-)
09:46<Ajurna>I remember an error during boot (firestarter failed) but it's not in dmesg or boot log ? where is it
09:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 385] by debhelper
09:47<xover>dpkg: load balancing
09:47<dpkg>xover: i haven't a clue
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09:47<babilen>!tell Ajurna -about bootlogd
09:47<xover>dpkg: computer
09:47<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, computer is technically, this is anything that inputs data, processes it in some way, and outputs it.
09:47<xover>dpkg: mouse
09:47<dpkg>somebody said mouse was rumour has it, mouse is if you're having trouble with mice in xorg, go read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/README.gz, or a small furry rodent found in many parts of this world. See also <2.6 mouse>.
09:47<babilen>Ajurna: But you can also try to restart firestarter to see the error (something like /etc/init.d/firestarter restart)
09:47<xover>dpkg: balancing
09:47<dpkg>no idea, xover
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09:47<Thx>ok, i have a problem. i have installed debian 5 on raid1; i have also installed xen with kernel support, but on boot (with grub 0.97) i can see the list of avaible kernel, but when select xen-kernel there is this message "invalid magic number"...how can i resolve it? thank you
09:48<Ajurna>okay will try
09:48<babilen>xover: stop it please - /msg or /query the bot
09:48<xover>how?
09:48<xover>its useless.
09:48<babilen>xover: '/msg dpkg <topic>'
09:48<xover>oh i see, sorry
09:49<Ajurna>wardancer:/etc/init.d# ./firestarter start
09:49<Ajurna>Starting the Firestarter firewall.... no error ?!
09:49<Ajurna>why do I have this ugly boot error then :(
09:50<babilen>Ajurna: Which version of Debian are you running? I would suggest to enable bootlogd and reboot. You can then paste the error
09:51<Ajurna>okay, enabled it, rebooting
09:51<Ajurna>lenny
09:51<Ajurna>brb
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09:55<Ajurna>okay it seems firestarter is run before dhcp was initialized or something
09:56<Ajurna>is it safe to disable portmap ? (using gnome)
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10:01<Ajurna>I thought I'd just disable portmap with rcconf, any objections ?
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10:02<babilen>Ajurna: No - do you use NFS?
10:02<Ajurna>no
10:02<babilen>ok
10:02<Ajurna>k then I'll do that
10:02<babilen>But why?
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10:03<babilen>I don't object to it - not at all - just curious
10:03<Ajurna>umm dunno I read it in the "Securing Debian Manual" and was not sure since if it's outdated
10:03<babilen>:-D
10:03<babilen>yeah
10:03<babilen>go ahead
10:03<@weasel>I usually just purge it if I don't need it
10:03<Ajurna>any way to fire up firestarter AFTER I got my ip from dhcp ?
10:04<babilen>I wasn't sure if you wanted to do that in order to fix firestarter
10:04<babilen>Ajurna: Do you use dependency based boot?
10:04<Ajurna>no that was kind of unrelated :)
10:04<Ajurna>I'm not sure, I have not changed anything about booting so far except disabling a few services
10:04<babilen>Which version of Debian are you using?
10:05<Ajurna>lenny 5.03
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10:08<rgouveia>babilen: sorry for the lag ... but if I install wicd will I have to remove Network Manager?
10:09<babilen>rgouveia: yes
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10:09<rgouveia>babilen: ok, I'll try it. thanks :-)
10:09<babilen>Ajurna: I would think that firestarter is started whenever on of your interfaces is brought up ... Can you paste the exact error?
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10:10<babilen>Ajurna: I am not sure what is causing this - And have never used firestarter but someone might spot something
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10:10<Ajurna>Fri Feb 12 15:52:47 2010: Configuring network interfaces...Stopping the Firestarter firewall....
10:10<Ajurna>Fri Feb 12 15:52:47 2010: Starting the Firestarter firewall... failed!
10:10<Ajurna>Fri Feb 12 15:52:47 2010: run-parts: /etc/network/if-up.d/50firestarter exited with return code 2
10:10<Ajurna>Fri Feb 12 15:52:48 2010: Starting the Firestarter firewall... ^[[31mfailed!^[[39;49m
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10:11<babilen>!tell Ajurna -about paste
10:11<Ajurna>oops got kicked for flooding :D
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10:11<Ajurna>http://pastebin.com/d2b9e2df1
10:12<khades>2
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10:17<babilen>Ajurna: There is an old bug (#438732) about this ... It was closed in 2007 but a user requested it to be reopened in #509323
10:17<Ajurna>where do I find these bugs
10:18<Ajurna>ah got it
10:18<babilen>Ajurna: Also have a look at: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firestarter/+bug/132039
10:19<babilen>Ajurna: You might want to consider another tool :-)
10:19<babilen>Ajurna: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls
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10:20<babilen>Ajurna: Good luck - And you might want to confirm #438732
10:20<Ajurna>okay thanks for your generous help
10:20<babilen>and #509323
10:20<babilen>Ajurna: Good luck
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10:21<chumi>ola
10:21<javito>oola
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10:24<debianite>Hi! any of you is using irssi?
10:25<khades>yepp
10:25<khades>me
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10:26<debianite>so how do you go about configuring the statusbar?
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10:27<debianite>I'd like i to show lag, nº of users in channel...
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10:29<debianite>I've loaded some plugins like bandwidth.pl but it shows nothing in the statusbar! :(
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10:31<debianite>I really like irrsi, its geekee! :)
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10:33<debianite>I manage to set up ssl connection and authentication, but I'd like to have more info in the statusbar.
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10:35<gsimmons>debianite: bandwidth.pl (at least the one suppplied in irssi-scripts) requires mrtg-ip-acct from mrtgutils.
10:35<babilen>debianite: Add usercount.pl plugin and execute /statusbar window add usercount - You might also be interested in adv_windowlist and #irssi @ irc.freenode.org
10:37<debianite>gsimmons: I did install those
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10:38<buglessdog>I am curious about the score of aptitude...
10:39<buglessdog>What does the score mean?
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10:40<debianite>babilen: it doesn't seems to work...
10:40<babilen>debianite: Have you /RUN the script? Works fine here
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10:42<debianite>is this the command : /statusbar window add usercount ?
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10:42<debianite>babilen: yah i did run it!
10:42<babilen>buglessdog: It is an arbitrary metric to measure the invasiveness of the actions taken. Removals for example have a higher score than upgrades ...
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10:43<babilen>debianite: No idea then - It works like a sharm over here (I'm also using adv_windowlist dunno if that's related)
10:43<babilen>debianite: But I guess you want to ask in #irssi @ irc.freenode.net - They are very friendly over there and know a lot more about irssi than I
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10:44<debianite>babilen: Ho wait, its working, I have split winows and was looking down x)
10:44<babilen>buglessdog: The score is determined by a number of heuristics which are meant to penalise possibly destructive behaviour
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10:45<babilen>debianite: :-D
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10:46<debianite>babilen: I tried a lot irc clients but irssi is the best, lol! :)
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10:48<buglessdog>babilen is there any document on this topic?
10:48<buglessdog>buglessdog dd
10:48<buglessdog>buglessdog, dd
10:48<buglessdog>buglessdog: dd
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10:49<babilen>buglessdog: None that I am aware of. Have a look at the aptitude documentation and it's source code
10:49<babilen>buglessdog: And you can't delete lines within IRC with 'dd'
10:50<buglessdog>babilen: haha~~ Thx a lot..
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10:52<buglessdog>babilen: and what's the difference between the positive score and negative score?
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11:07<EmpJoe>Quick Question: Just burn http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso to do a netinstall right?
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11:09<Elessar>Rather <http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso>.
11:09<themill>if by netinstall you mean netboot/PXE etc then yes, but you probably want the one called "netinst"
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11:12<EmpJoe>kk
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11:13<fazer>Hi all
11:13<fazer>when I issue the following command : iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
11:14<fazer>I get to following error message : can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist...
11:14<EmpJoe>...?
11:15<fazer>I have a self-compiled kernel and select about all modules for NAT with no success. Any idea ?
11:15<fazer>BTW: kernel 2.6.32
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11:16<gdb>fazer: Did you mkinitrd for your new kernel?
11:17<fazer>gdb: yes (first time I forgot and got "unresolved symbol" errors
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11:38<lancelot_of>hi al
11:38<lancelot_of>all
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11:38<lancelot_of>i cannot find any epplets package for e16 in debian, any suggestion?
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11:39<EmpJoe>Um guys when i boot the netinstall disk my keyboard doesn
11:39<EmpJoe>t
11:39<EmpJoe>work
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11:39<EmpJoe>as it like no power or or anything
11:39<EmpJoe>Its an old packard bell keyboard.
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11:41<sney>does it work in the bios before the netinst boots? can you turn num lock on and off?
11:41<EmpJoe>yes
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11:41<sney>did you do a checksum on the iso when you downloaded it?
11:41<lancelot_of>no answer for me?
11:42<EmpJoe>um no.
11:42<EmpJoe>oops.
11:42<sney>lancelot_of: I haven't used e16 since 2004, sorry
11:42<lancelot_of>sney, thanks for answering...can i ask you why?is it for e17?
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11:43<sney>I did use e17 for a while but then I took a break from running linux and this time around I'm not really interested in a pretty window manager
11:44<jar>e16 is pretty :(
11:44<jar>e17 is the ugly one
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11:45<davi>Is there any tool or script to check the sanity of a Debian host?
11:46<EmpJoe>sney: Md5's are the same.
11:47<gsimmons>EmpJoe: Is this a USB or PS/2 keyboard?
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11:47<EmpJoe>PS/2
11:47<sney>that's strange, it should just work
11:48<sney>do you have any other keyboards you can try
11:48<EmpJoe>Um the one i use for this
11:48<EmpJoe>and i think i have one laying around somewhere
11:48<EmpJoe>but i know that it works
11:48<EmpJoe>When you said in bios what do you mean? when i start it up can i use it?
11:48<EmpJoe>I can use it on ubuntu :o.
11:48<EmpJoe>Brb I might have to try it with this keypad.
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11:50<lancelot_of>Jar do you have any information for me?
11:51<jar>lancelot_of: Hm, not that I know of. Have you considered compiling them from source?
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11:52<EmpJoe>Well it is just debians disk on my server
11:52<EmpJoe>Because i can't do it with my newer keyboard either.
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11:53<EmpJoe>sney: Any ideas
11:54<sney>try burning it again?
11:54<lancelot_of>jar, no, i didn't,'cause i'd like to have an 'official' deb package instead of compile from sources away from distro
11:54<jar>lancelot_of: it doesn't seem as if there ARE any official debs anymore, so compiling from source may be your best option
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11:55<EmpJoe>Sney: Is there any other options?
11:56<sney>where does it stop working exactly? can you select an installation type at the debian splash menu?
11:56<EmpJoe>No as in on the spash i can't hit enter/select one.
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11:57<sney>then I can't think of anything else, if it was after the actual boot then there might have been a kernel option you could try but this is before any of that
11:57<EmpJoe>ok
11:57<EmpJoe>so there is nothing
11:58<sney>if you didn't want to waste a cdr then I'd say to do the usb boot, but I don't know if your computer is new enough to support usb booting
11:58<EmpJoe>how would i do that.
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11:58<sney>!usb install
11:58<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
11:58<EmpJoe>!install debian
11:58<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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11:59<sney>you can also /msg dpkg
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11:59<EmpJoe>ooo nice.
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12:03<lancelot_of>ok thank you jar , have a nice day everybody
12:03<lancelot_of>bye
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12:03<zeroXten>is it completely crazy to run debian testing on a production system? or would it be like running a release of redhat? ;)
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12:05<AlexMax>Define production
12:05<AlexMax>Personally, I wouldn't run testing on anything other than a personal desktop, and sid on anything other than a personal desktop that I don't care about any of the data on
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12:06<AlexMax>Then again, if you're running a desktop, I'd rather be using Ubuntu, but that's another can of worms
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12:07<AlexMax>zeroXten: Why do you feel like you need to run testing anyway?
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12:08<sney>probably wants a more recent version of something
12:08<sney>and if that something is in backports then there's his solution!
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12:09<Guest1826>what-s up?
12:09<zeroXten>simplist route to getting debian on the damn new dells (eg. R{5,6,7}10).. lenny doesn't work with the broadcom NICs nor the raid controller
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12:10<sney>zeroXten: is that becas
12:10<sney>because of kernel drivers?
12:10<babilen>!tell zeroXten -about kmuto
12:10<zeroXten>yup =(
12:10<sney>thanks babilen I was just getting to that
12:10<babilen>zeroXten: You probably want to install stable with newer kernels - Use the kmuto images
12:10<babilen>sney: :-D
12:10*zeroXten changes windows
12:10<zeroXten>k, will take a look..brb
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12:11<babilen>zeroXten: It's basically stable+2.6.32 kernel
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12:13<zeroXten>cool, thanks babilen and sney
12:13<EmpJoe>ok guys this is weird
12:13<EmpJoe>now the keyboard doesn't work even on the ubuntu install disk
12:13<EmpJoe>it doesn't work on any iso disks.
12:14<father0fnine>How does apt assign priority from one archive over another?
12:14<EmpJoe>i think it is my port :o.
12:14<zeroXten>and i assume we can just add backports to sources.list to keep it up to date?
12:14<babilen>zeroXten: Exactly
12:14<zeroXten>sweet
12:14<babilen>zeroXten: Remember to pin the packages - It's the last point in the backports instructions
12:14<babilen>zeroXten: You won't get updates if you forget that
12:15<babilen>zeroXten: Have fun
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12:15<zeroXten>thanks, will do
12:16<babilen>father0fnine: What are you trying to do?
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12:16*zeroXten idles until the next random question ;p
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12:16<babilen>.coffee zeroXten
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12:16<zeroXten>coffee? its almost pint-o-clock
12:17<father0fnine>babilen: Put a few select files onto a local server and/or directory on my computer so I don't have to download them every time -- however it won't be a full archive so it'll need to hit the official repositories, too.
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12:18<EmpJoe>OMFG
12:18<EmpJoe>sney: it was in the wrong port.
12:18<sney>I thought you said it worked in bios
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12:19<EmpJoe>It worked on boot to ubuntu :o.
12:19<EmpJoe>so ubuntu lets keyboard work with mouse,,, :o.
12:20<babilen>father0fnine: You might be interested in approx, apt-cacher, apt-cacher-ng, apt-proxy and in particular debmirror and apt-mirror
12:20<father0fnine>babilen: So I want to make sure apt-get (not aptitude) searches the file/local "repository" first and only goes to debian.org if the package isn't there.
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12:20<babilen>father0fnine: I guess you'll have to pin the local repository to something >= 500
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12:21<babilen>father0fnine: But I have no idea how to get different behaviour for apt-get and aptitude. Why do want that?
12:22<babilen>father0fnine: >500 btw
12:23<babilen>father0fnine: But it sounds like you are actually looking for one of the caching tools ...
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12:27<EmpJoe>bb in a sec.
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12:28<father0fnine>I'm building debian-live images -- tweeking and rebuilding. Sometimes I get to a state (ok, often I get to a state) where I have to whip the live-helper caches and live-helper has to download everything again...
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12:29<father0fnine>That would be ok if I had a decent network but I'm throttled by my employer to something like an ISDN speed.
12:29<father0fnine>It takes 4+ hours each time I have to download.
12:30<kop>Sorry. Mechanical problem.
12:30<kop>father0fnine: What's wrong with apt-cacher?
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12:31<father0fnine>So I'd like to save the deb's that live-helper downloads and give them back in a local repository
12:31<father0fnine>kop: not familiar enough with live-helper (yet) or apt-cacher to meld the two.
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12:32<babilen>father0fnine: The caching tools I listed are pretty easy to setup and do exactly what you want
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12:33<father0fnine>babilen: I will certainly look into it. I have 4 hours ;)
12:33<babilen>father0fnine: Good luck
12:34<babilen>kop: Any ideas which of the ones I listed is the "best" one? I haven't used them in quite a while and was happy with apt-cacher some years ago
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12:41<kop>father0fnine: apt-cacher integrates with everything apt transparently, once you change /etc/apt/sources.list to use it, so you should not have any problems with live-helper.
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12:43<kop>babilen: I'm using apt-cacher for security updates. Last I had a conversation on this channel 6 months ago it seemed the best choice. I've been using it for a few years. There were some problems in etch but they are fixed, at least in the default configs. (Some sort of signature checking or some such causes problems if you turn it on. Fixed for squeeze.)
12:44<babilen>alright - i'll remember that. I just know that it was the best choice some years ago, but haven't used such a tool since then
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12:53<father0fnine>Kop: live-helper doesn't use the system's sources.list but builds it's own. This allows someone running, say, sid to still produce lenny livecd's
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12:56<zeroXten>hmm, does something like apt-cacher work with pinning? so if you query the cache, you'll only ever get that one version back?
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13:01<kop>father0fnine: IIRC you can just give live-helper the sources.list you want it to use, so you can configure it's sources.list to use apt-cacher as well.
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13:02<kop>zeroXten: All apt-cacher does is cache stuff retrieved from network apt repos.
13:03<kop>father0fnine: And is there not a separate sources.list that goes "live" on the cd as well? Anyway it's how I'd go about it.
13:04<kop>father0fnine: Actually, I have a local mirror. But that presents exactly the same problems with live-helper.
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13:04<zeroXten>kop: hmmm
13:04<zeroXten>thanks
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13:04<zeroXten>might have to write my own i guess
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13:36<speicher>SPEICHER OPEN @ 22UHR
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13:36<Oicreal>I need create samba, and control hosts WindowsXp... is possible?
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13:39<kop>Oicreal: yes
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13:40<Oicreal>sorry my inglish is very bad... Then... you have one document for me ?
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13:42<amphi>!samba
13:42<dpkg>Samba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol). Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ . Backported Samba 3.4.3 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bpo>. http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/ http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ http://samba.org/ #samba on irc.freenode.net. See also <swat>.
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13:45<Oicreal>Thanks my Friends :)
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14:09<kfank>Yesterday I installed some security updates and since then my Firefox browser has had trouble loading Google, Yahoo and others. But other pages load fine. I tried installing Epiphany and have the same issue.
14:10<kfank>I did notice a warning on the security updates that some files could not be authenticated, but I installed them anyway. How can I debug this?
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14:29<rgouveia>hi ... I see my lenny laptop is loading the cpufreq modules on boot. How can I disable that? I don't see them on /etc/modules..
14:30<Titan8990>rgouveia, udev can load modules not in /etc/modules. if you don't want it loaded, blacklist it
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14:31<amphi>rgouveia: why do you not want the cpufreq modules loaded?
14:31<mase>rgouveia why do you want them not to be loaded?
14:31<amphi>heh
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14:31<mase>argh
14:32<rgouveia>this laptop doesn't play with acpi very well ... it stops, clock is delayed, etc...
14:32<rgouveia>I'm trying to minize those problems
14:33<Titan8990>rgouveia, add acpi=off to your defoptions in menu.lst
14:33<Titan8990>the line should remain commented though
14:34<rgouveia>Titan8990: I did .. unfortunaley the computer won't boot without it
14:35<rgouveia>it evens recommends turning off pnpbios with makes it just halt at boot
14:35<Titan8990>rgouveia, you may want to do more research prior purchasing hardware...
14:35<rgouveia>I'm constant getting kernel oops from various processes ... even got one from init
14:36<rgouveia>Titan8990: it's not my machine :-\
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14:37<mase>are you shure its not a hardware issue/damage?
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14:42<Guldfisken>hey guys
14:42<Guldfisken>i want to install debian from a usb-stick
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14:42<Guldfisken>but i failed.
14:42<Guldfisken>how can i do it?=
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14:44<Titan8990>Guldfisken, did you go the simple route and try unetbootin?
14:45<Titan8990>Guldfisken, failed at what point?
14:45<Guldfisken>is said something about cdrom drivers
14:45<Guldfisken>i used unetbootin
14:45<Titan8990>does the installer boot?
14:45<Guldfisken>yes
14:45<Guldfisken>but it fails
14:45<Titan8990>alright, try it again and come back with an *exact* error
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14:46<Guldfisken>i have a usb stick and an ubuntu machine
14:46<Titan8990>or try the official usb install guide
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14:46<Titan8990>!usb install
14:46<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
14:46<Guldfisken>can i just make a USB from my ubntu?
14:46<Guldfisken>thanks
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14:46<Titan8990>Guldfisken, the system the usb stick is created on does not matter
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14:47<naxo>ola
14:47<Guldfisken>windows is such bullshit it just does not work *facepalm*
14:47<naxo>que ise
14:47<naxo>tas loco?
14:47<naxo>you crazy
14:47<naxo>jilipollas
14:47<naxo>qe zse
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14:47<jdeka>What's wrong Guldfisken?
14:47<naxo>qe es eso
14:48<naxo>abra bn jodere
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14:48<Guldfisken>im gonna try to make a usb drive now.
14:48<naxo>español lplis
14:48<naxo>spanis plis
14:48<naxo>spaanniiss pplliiss
14:48<naxo>joder!
14:48<naxo>spanjis
14:49<naxo>irse a aa loa P.;.,m:::.. ok?
14:49<Guldfisken>wtf? :O
14:49<naxo>qe
14:49<naxo>qe ablas tio
14:49<naxo>you crazi
14:49<naxo>y can to you see
14:49<Guldfisken><install debian>
14:49<naxo>:)
14:49<naxo>eso si pillas you
14:50<naxo>istalar debian
14:50<naxo>joe
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14:50<naxo>esqe esqe
14:50<sney>!es
14:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:50<naxo>otro
14:50<naxo>pesao
14:50<naxo>cn llos mensajitos esos qe dan por culo
14:50<sney>!ops naxo no comprende
14:50<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: naxo no comprende
14:51<naxo>qe
14:51<naxo>que ises
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14:52<Guldfisken>where can i find hd-media/boot.img.gz?
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14:54<sney>http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/
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14:55<Guldfisken>thanks
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15:12<jepe>hi all !
15:12<jepe>Help !!! i have an attack on my server what must i do ?
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15:14<petemc>jepe: depends on the attach and it likelihood of success
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15:14<petemc>s/ch/ck/
15:15<jepe>at this moment i look the the file of tcpdump -q
15:16<jepe>i have shutdown apache2 and ssh
15:16<sney>disconnect from the internet
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15:16<sney>it's the only way to be sure
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15:16<jepe>ok
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15:16<jepe>i am on a separat network with xchat
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15:18<jepe>ok network disconnected
15:19<jepe>i have any request who-has
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15:33<Xpistos>If I have a NFS share and I delete something off it can i still recover it on my server if I don't have a backup somewhere?
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15:36<babilen>jepe: Read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-after-compromise.en.html (and the rest of it)
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15:37<father0fnine>Sun is developing apt now?
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15:44<oggi>hallo
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15:47<ben_baka>I am logged in a user. When i change user to be another user via the su command it does not reflect in the command to tell me how many users are logged in.
15:47<ben_baka>which command do i use. I have tried w, who, whoami , last . All do not respond well.
15:49<oggi>how can i have full access to other partitions besides the one where debian is installed?
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15:52<gnude>hello
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15:55<mase>oggi mount them ;)
15:55<gnude>anybody for smalltalk here?
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15:58<mase>ben_baka sorry, don't get your problem. what is 'who' telling you?
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15:59<oggi>mase: i mount them but it allows me only to read from them
16:00<mase>oggi is it ntfs?
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16:00<oggi>some of them yes
16:00<babilen>gnude: #smalltalk @ irc.freenode.org ?
16:00<gnude>not the programming language. but smalltalk about deiban
16:00<gnude>debian
16:01<babilen>gnude: That would probably be #debian-offtopic
16:01<babilen>gnude: If you don't have a specific question
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16:01<mase>oggi yea, write is disabled by default i think... mom
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16:01<oggi>mase: what can i do about that?
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16:02<mase>oggi you can either recompile the kernel with write enabled or better: hav a look at "ntfs-3g" (package)
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16:02<gnude>babilen: no question, but wait *think* yes one question: are there fixed dates for the next debian releases (like diskussed some time ago) or is it still "it is complete, when it is complere"?
16:03<babilen>!ntfsrw
16:03<dpkg>If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>.
16:03<babilen>gnude: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html
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16:04<gnude>what did it mean? fixed releases or not in future?
16:04<oggi>mase: I found that package in synaptics package manager. Will it be sufficient only to install it?
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16:04<babilen>gnude: mixture of fixed release with "when it's ready" ;-)
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16:06<mase>oggi never tried it (i dont have any ntfs) but i should work with fuse
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16:06<babilen>oggi: have a look ^^^ you should also try ntfsmount from ntfsprogs - check out the bug in the bts
16:07<oggi>mase: ok, suppose it works - how can i mount drives permanently so that I can access them in some GUI file manager, without need to mount them every time i turn on computer?
16:07<gnude>babilen: that sounds good. and mean: "its ready when it is ready". debian is very stable system, why change this?
16:08<babilen>gnude: I concur
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16:08<gnude>concur?
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16:08<gnude>sorry i am german.
16:08<babilen>oggi: Have a look at 'man fstab'
16:08<babilen>gnude: Ich stimme dir zu
16:08<gnude>babilen: deutsch?
16:08<mase>:D
16:08<mase>fast alle
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16:09<gnude>fast alle deutsch?
16:09<babilen>aber schnacken auf englisch - aber lasst es uns nicht allzu offtopic werden hier
16:09<oggi>ich kenne ein bischen deutsh :)
16:09<gnude>ok i understand, because everybody could read it in this way
16:09<mase>oggi im not shure if the /etc/fstab way will work...
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16:10<oggi>i'll take a look
16:10<gnude>i change to off-topic
16:10<gnude>is better
16:10<gnude>cu
16:11<mase>tschüs
16:11<oggi>by the way - can somebody suggest me some good debian tutorial for newbies?
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16:11<babilen>oggi: The reference is great
16:11<mase>oggi suse ;D
16:11<babilen>!tell oggi -about reference
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16:13<ben_baka>the command says only one user is logged in but in reality its 2 users
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16:13<oggi>mase: babilen: ok, i found it, looks nice
16:13<ben_baka>because when i logged in via the gdm i changed user to be another user.
16:14<babilen>!tell oggi -about user accessible ntfs
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16:14<mase>ben_baka gdm itself is not "really" a logged in user, but i may be missunderstanding you
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16:35<otakup0pe>anyone in here use mergechanges from devscripts at all ?
16:35<otakup0pe>also is there a channel where debian maintainers hang out
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16:38<babilen>yes - #debian-devel
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16:42<otakup0pe>babilen: thanks :)
16:42<babilen>otakup0pe: Do you have a particular problem you want to solve?
16:43<otakup0pe>yeah i just asked in #debian-devel
16:43<otakup0pe>working on multi-arch packaging and repositories for internal projects
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16:49<babilen>otakup0pe: OK - You might want to ask in #debian0=-mentors the next time
16:49<babilen>!mentors
16:49<dpkg>it has been said that mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
16:49<otakup0pe>thx
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17:16<gnude>hello, after new install of debian 5.0.4 with netinstall i want to install the build-essentials with aptitude.but there is a dependency error. how can this be on a new installed system?
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17:16<mase>gnude you made an "apt-get update"?
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17:17<gnude>the system was installed a few minutes before. must i make this???
17:17<mase>gnude sorry, stupid question
17:19<ml|>gnude: it's build-essential
17:20<gnude>what is the problem ob build-essential, to new?
17:22<ml|>gnude: pastebin the whole output of aptitude install build-essential; so you can get more help
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17:26<izzyb>are etch backports available from someplace?
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17:27<thayer>how do i install flashplayer on debian?
17:28<retrospectacus>!flash
17:28<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
17:28<dondelelcaro>izzyb: backports.org, but you really should be upgrading to lenny
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17:29<izzyb>dondelelcaro, wish I could. sadly I have a web app that breaks in lenny. :(
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17:30<izzyb>backports.org has discontinued etch backports
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17:30<dondelelcaro>izzyb: fix it!
17:30<thayer>backports makes no sense to me
17:31<dondelelcaro>izzyb: etch has no security support anymore, so you're going to have problems in the near future
17:32<dondelelcaro>well, won't have any more support in three days
17:32<izzyb>dondelelcaro, sadly its beyond my ability at this point. its a problem caused by the upgrade to perl. not sure the specifics, just that it's broken
17:32<dondelelcaro>izzyb: probably a good idea to find or hire someone who can
17:32<izzyb>yeah, I know, and its a concern. I'm hoping this is a short term solution, but I'm kind of stuck either way
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17:33<dondelelcaro>izzyb: but in any event, backports.org still has backports to etch, they just aren't going to allow any new ones
17:33<izzyb>thayer, why doesn't backports make sense?
17:33<pseudonymous>Experiencing a wierd slowdown on a VPN connection using lenny. Using the pon tool which uses pptp for the actual connection. Stuck at 18kbps even though the connection can pull 20-30 mbps on average (on the same VPN)
17:33<izzyb>dondelelcaro, really? my apt-entry doesn't work anymore
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17:35<izzyb>I'm just looking for the virtio package for etch which I believe came from backports
17:35<izzyb>it isn't in the standard repositories anyway :(
17:35<dondelelcaro>izzyb: Debian doesn't distribute virtio, so it won't be in backports
17:35<izzyb>its available in lenny
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17:35<izzyb>unless I'm also getting that from backports
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17:37<dondelelcaro>izzyb: its only available as a udeb for d-i, and I think that's maninly because it hasn't been removed
17:38<izzyb>why would it be removed?
17:38<izzyb>d-i?
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17:40<izzyb>http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=virtio&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all
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17:40<izzyb>doesn't that indicate virtio is in lenny?
17:41<pseudonymous>does anyone have any experience with debian screwing up vpn speeds ?
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17:51<hakanbey>hi.. i am using debian lenny . I have a problem. When i type - glxinfo | grep "rendering" - on the terminal. it says me "command not found" .
17:52<hakanbey>for glxinfo
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17:52<jar>hakanbey: apt-get install mesa-utils
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17:52<hakanbey>i am trying now
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17:54<hakanbey>jar: thanks a lot bro :) it is working
17:54<jar>:) np man
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18:12<jay_>hello to all, I need to edit a .fla file to finish a game developed in flash that someone else started for my website, does anyone know what package or software can I install?? I'm using Debian Squeeze
18:13<jar>i dont think there are any complete flash editors in linux, jay_
18:14<jay_>really? o.o , that's too bad, I guess I'm gonna need to dual boot then
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18:14<jar>jay_: adobe still hasnt given us a usable PLAYER
18:14<jar>much less an EDITOR
18:15<jay_>even after all this time, linux developers cannot create flash apps?
18:16<jar>please email adobe and let them know what you think
18:16<amphi>jar: mercifully, no ;)
18:16<amphi>er, jay_
18:16<jay_>yes?
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18:19<jay_>amphi you were gonna tell me something?
18:19<jar>amphi: he/she just meant they dont like flash
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18:21<jay_>be it as it may, I urgently need to find an editor, or else I'm gonna need to reinstall windows, and I really don't want to do that
18:22<jar>jay_: you could always run xp in a virtualbox machine
18:22<jar>i do that
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18:23<jay_>now, that's a solution, good idea, I'll do that, thanks
18:23<jar>:)
18:23<jar>jay_: grab the deb from their website
18:24<jay_>I still think linux should have an editor though
18:24<jar>the apt version doesnt have USB support
18:24<jay_>for virtualbox?
18:24<jar>jay_: it's adobe's fault
18:24<jar>yes
18:24<jay_>let me chec it out, I think it's on the repos for
18:24<jar>it is in the repo
18:24<jar>it just doesnt have USB support
18:24<jar>that portion of VBox is closed source
18:25<jay_>oh, no USB support on the repo's version
18:25<jar>correct
18:26<jar>its still free from the website
18:26<jar>so it's win/win
18:26<jar>im a big vbox fan
18:26<jar>:]
18:26<themill>only "win" in the free sense, not the Free sense.
18:27<jar>for someone whos other option is vmware, it's great
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18:27<jar>the only portion that is closed source is the USB support and it happens to be a portion i use extensively
18:27<jay_>I've used vbox before, and I remember that I was unable to share the clipboard between guest and host OS, any comments on that?
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18:28<jar>jay_: install the guest utilities
18:28<jar>xp -> linux clipboarding works fine
18:28<jar>and\ vice versa
18:29<jay_>I did install those and was still unable to share the clipboard, I thought it was a bug so just lived with it
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18:30<jar>works fine for me on 3.1.x
18:30<jay_>do you use Lenny or Squeeze? or other?
18:31<jar>unstable
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18:31<dondelelcaro>pretty much everything should be using su-to-root, I think
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18:32<scyth>hi all, I'm running squeeze with up2date packages at the moment. For some reason, I build my raid-1 array with mdadm as md0 device, and after reboot device become md127 despite mdadm.conf
18:32<scyth>any ideas why?
18:35<scyth>and if I do /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid restart, md127 becomes md0 again
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18:54<Wilduck>I think I might have just overwritten my partition table with fdisk... Is there a way to tell?
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18:56<hellyeah>hey
18:56<hellyeah>http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15428
18:56<hellyeah>how can i fix this error
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18:56<themill>dpkg: tell hellyeah about downgrade
18:57<hellyeah>apt try to downgrade automatically
18:57<hellyeah>i dont understand what other error is
18:57<hellyeah>only thing that i make iss to install suggested and recommended package
18:58<hellyeah>i try nvidia driver
18:58<themill>aptitude won't try to downgrade things unless you've told it to do so with some funny pinning.
18:58<hellyeah>what the other error is about ?
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18:58<hellyeah>is there a way to fix that error
18:58<hellyeah>i am kinda beginner
18:58<hellyeah>i am using lenny repo
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18:59<themill>there's no way that happened with lenny on its own.
18:59<hellyeah>i stuck
18:59<hellyeah>i dont want to reinstall debian
18:59<hellyeah>pls help me to fix thi
18:59<themill>hellyeah: you need to tell us more about what you've been doing.
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19:00<abrotman>he tried to upgrade to squeeze and aborted .. he said so earlier in #d on fn
19:00<hellyeah>no upgrade
19:00<hellyeah>i just install module-assistant
19:00<themill>right... so it's not exactly just "lenny repo" and there is downgrading involved. yay
19:00<hellyeah>i do m-a a-i nvidia blah
19:00<hellyeah>program suggest some oackage i try to install that
19:00<hellyeah>and i see lots of error now
19:01<themill>hellyeah: unless you start being cooperative and telling us what you've been doing, you're not going to get any help at all.
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19:03<abrotman>hellyeah: that is not possible with the mess you have there
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19:04<user01>are there any security vulnerabilities in debian stable that need to be patched dealing with the aurora hack?
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19:09<abrotman>!tracker of doom
19:09<dpkg>from memory, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences
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19:23<hellyeah>okey
19:23<hellyeah>how can i fix this error
19:23<hellyeah>NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin.
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19:24<hellyeah>i have this directory
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19:24<mib_bja>what's the output to echo $PATH as root?
19:24<hellyeah>debian:~# echo $PATH
19:24<hellyeah>/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
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19:25<abrotman>hellyeah: why do you keep messing up your computer?
19:26<hellyeah>abrotman, i just install package that module-assistant suggest
19:26<abrotman>no, that's not 'just what you did'
19:26<hellyeah>i jus try to make nvidia recognize to system
19:26<abrotman>hellyeah: apt-cache policy module-assistant
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19:28<themill>hellyeah: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc*"?
19:28<hellyeah>abrotman, http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15429
19:28<user01>akfquiz is cool i wonder when the debian package is coming, been on there for 1154 days
19:28<hellyeah>themill, okey
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19:30<hellyeah>themill, http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15430
19:30<user01>can i just assume that they gave making a package for this? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400310
19:30<user01>last posting was 2006
19:31<themill>hellyeah: welcome to squeeze.
19:31<abrotman>hellyeah: so why do you keep lying to us?
19:31<hellyeah>what lie
19:32<themill>hellyeah: you've edited your sources.list and then caused libc from squeeze to be installed. You then edited them again to try to downgrade to lenny. And all the time you try to tell us that you're only using lenny and you're not mixing releases.
19:32<hellyeah>no
19:32<hellyeah>http://paste.org/pastebin/view/15431
19:32<abrotman>hellyeah: you told us that you hadn't done anything other than lenny .. multiple times
19:32<hellyeah>this is my sources.list
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19:32<abrotman>still lying ...
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19:33<themill>hellyeah: that might be your sources.list *now* but there is no way that you can have the packages installed on your machine that you just stuck in a pastebin without you having deliberately tried to get squeeze packages.
19:33<user01>themill, maybe chinese hackers did it through a taiwanese server
19:34<hellyeah>i didnt lie
19:34<hellyeah>i just am mistaken
19:34<hellyeah>may be
19:34<hellyeah>i couldnt realize
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19:34<abrotman>oh come on .. you told us on freenode what you'd done
19:34<themill>hellyeah: You're being as difficult as possible and you're practically impossible to help if you aren't cooperative.
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19:43<pseudonymous>Anyone ? I've just tried renaming my NIC's via /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules but even after the reboot it doesn't stick right. One card ends up being called eth0_rename even
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19:54<abrotman>pseudonymous: paste that file and 'dmesg' in a pastebin
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20:00<pseudonymous>abrotman: http://cronflakes.com/stuff/persist_net.rules and http://cronflakes.com/stuff/dmesg_deb -- the machine in question is cli only.. so it was heaps easier to upload to FTP, hope that's ok
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20:05<abrotman>pseudonymous: FWIW .. paste.debian.net works with w3m
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20:07<abrotman>that's interesting
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20:09<pseudonymous>abrotman: that's not good to hear ;) (FYI: The edit was me switching their names, earlier the USB nic was lan_nic and the onboard (r8169) was inet_nic) -- Just did another reboot and the r8169 still gets assigned the name inet_nic...
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20:11<abrotman>pseudonymous: what if you delete all the lines and reboot? and then alter the file ?
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20:12<pseudonymous>abrotman: you mean, copy the file somewhere else, blank it entirely, reboot, put the lines back in, reboot again ?
20:13<abrotman>make a backup of the file .. then remove the lines relating to the NICs
20:13<mib_bja>if you squeeze a cp into the recipe its fine
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20:16<pseudonymous>abrotman: it *must* save this somewhere else.. I just blanked the 70-persistent-net.rules file and rebooted. The nic that I had first named inet_nic (and now want to call lan_nic) is still showing up as inet_nic instead of eth0 as I had expected
20:17<abrotman>pseudonymous: this is lenny? ls /etc/udev/rules.d/
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20:17<abrotman>pseudonymous: FWIW .. you could use ifrename yourself
20:18<pseudonymous>abrotman: yes, using /etc/apt/sources.list showing lenny all over :)
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20:23<pseudonymous>abrotman: and renaming them manually kinda defeats the point of being able to rely on a static name past reboots. That's why I really want this to work, also, it worries me that something so "simple" seems broken
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20:34<jay_>does anyone know how to share a folder so that other computers on my network can see it, I run debian squeeze and all computers get internet out of the same router
20:35<mib_bja>samba, nfs, ftp, sshfs you name it
20:35<abrotman>pseudonymous: grep -R inet_nic /etc/*
20:35<abrotman>pseudonymous: perhaps you did it in an init script ?
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20:38<pseudonymous>abrotman: /etc/network/run/ifstate as the line "inet_nic=inet_nic" right under "lo=lo". Shows up in /etc/network/interfaces also, sets inet_nic up to be a dhcp thing with hotplugging enabled. Should this really have any bearing on the name of my nic ?
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20:41<abrotman>pseudonymous: i think that's the current state
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20:47<pseudonymous>abrotman: commented out those lines in all the files. Shut down the computer, pulled out the battery, hit the power button a couple of times, waited 30 seconds, put the battery back in and rebooted and the nic STILL get's the name inet_nic
20:47<abrotman>pseudonymous: and nothing else in /etc/ has that term?
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20:47<pseudonymous>There's gotta be some sort of place where this stuff is saved, and the rules are apparently NOT reloaded
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20:49<pseudonymous>abrotman: nope, "grep -R inet_nic /etc/" only shows the two files from which the relevant lines have been commented out
20:49<abrotman>what is the 70 file now ?
20:49<pseudonymous>abrotman: has the same header as always, just a few comment lines saying you're free to edit the file as long as you keep each rule on a single line
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20:50<abrotman>but not the lines you had there before? or anytthing remotely like that ?
20:50<abrotman>pseudonymous: what about grep -R inet_nic /var/ ?
20:50<pseudonymous>abrotman: none of that. I copied the file to /root before I deleted all udev rules lines from the file
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20:52<pseudonymous>abrotman: /var has plenty of references
20:52<pseudonymous>seems to be in log files though
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20:57<abrotman>pseudonymous: is there a z25 file in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ?
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20:57<pseudonymous>abrotman: nope that's the name that 70-persistent-net.rules had in earlier versions of udev
20:58<pseudonymous>(but I did just check, just to be completely sure :) )
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21:01<abrotman>pseudonymous: i can't even come up with good terms to google for
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21:03<pseudonymous>abrotman: nah, me neither.. it's fascinating and extremely annoying all at once
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21:04<abrotman>pseudonymous: can the bootloader name them ?
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21:09<pseudonymous>abrotman: rewrote the udev rule to not rename based on a MAC and that the kernel name started with eth
21:09<pseudonymous>abrotman: now, if it finds a NIC with certain MAC, it's renamed to what I want. Seems to work, though why the system was capable of remembering the old name is beyond me, I'd call it a bug
21:10<abrotman>you could email Md .. he might have more info for oyu
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21:14<pseudonymous>abrotman: nah, it's good. It's my only debian machine anyway. So as long as it just ends up working I'm not terribly interested in what caused it :P Though I will say, thanks a *bunch* for standing by me all the way, was really nice of you
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21:16<abrotman>pseudonymous: i didn't do anything useful :)
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21:17<pseudonymous>abrotman: actually taught me a rather cool use of grep so yea, you did :P
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21:18<abrotman>okay .. not 'really' useful :)
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21:19<Nuxt->Hello, i use Lenny AMD64. I noticed that i had no sound. I checked all mixers but nothinh happens.
21:19<Nuxt->there is no sound on mlayer, or youtube .. nothing
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21:20<Nuxt->Kernel is: 2.6.26-2-amd64 ; Please help
21:20<jay_>nuxt do you have an add-in sound card?
21:22<Nuxt->i use an common sound card,, i use it on a Desktop
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21:23<Nuxt->it used to work, but i dont really use this computer to listen, so i don't know when it stopped to work.
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21:24<angelo>hi?
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21:25<Nuxt->i have alsa and OSS. but not pulseaudio
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21:26<Nuxt->is pulseaudio default on Lenny?
21:27<nuno>algum brasileiro no #debian? instalei o lenny com 1 leitor de CD mas agora acrescentei outro porém lenny não reconheceu o segundo, alguém pode me dar uma mãozinha?
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21:27<Nuxt->nuno try #debian-br
21:27<Nuxt->!pt
21:27<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
21:28<nuno>Nuxt ok!!!
21:28<Nuxt->xD
21:28<Nuxt->Please can anyone help me with my sound?
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21:30<abrotman>Nuxt-: make sure alsa-utils and linux-sound-base are installed
21:31<Nuxt->abrotman, yes they are
21:31<abrotman>!alsa checklist
21:31<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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21:37<Nuxt->abrotman, how to check 3) arts or esound stopped?
21:37<abrotman>ps aux
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21:38<Nuxt->how to start if they are stopped?
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21:41<Nuxt->i have done alsaconf, all done, no errors, but no sound yet
21:41<abrotman>you want them stopped usually
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21:44<Nuxt->i think they are stopped so...
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21:45<Nuxt->all on alsa checklist is ok here.. but no sound;;;
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21:46<nuno>I could not help the debian-br
21:46<Nuxt->nuno, you don't get any help in #debian-br?
21:47<Nuxt->if you dno't speek english, try wait there, if you can speak, try ask here;;;
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21:48<Nuxt->abrotman, any another tip? i don't get it working
21:48<abrotman>Nuxt-: #7 doesn't work either ?
21:48<Nuxt->no.
21:49<abrotman>Nuxt-: cat /proc/asound/cards .. how many are there ?
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21:49<Nuxt->0 [V8237 ]: VIA8237 - VIA 8237
21:49<Nuxt-> VIA 8237 with AD1888 at 0xa800, irq 22
21:49<Nuxt->only onw
21:49<Nuxt->one
21:51<nuno>I will try here, I need a script that my hardware redetect, they installed a second CD player and etch does not recognize
21:52<Nuxt->nuno, etch have no more securtity updates, we strongly recommend upgrade Lenny
21:52<Nuxt->etch is oldstable
21:52<abrotman>Nuxt-: uname -r
21:52<Nuxt->2.6.26-2-amd64
21:52<nuno>I use lenny!
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21:53<Nuxt->"they installed a second CD player and etch does not recognize"
21:53<Nuxt->etch
21:53<nuno>the translation of google said etch
21:53<Nuxt->abrotman, i use a default debian installatino, no personalizations, no self made kernels, just apt;
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21:54<Nuxt->nuno, have you tried search on google first?
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21:55<supaman>hmm .. did googletranslate switch from lenny to etch? maby they should upgrade their system ;-)
21:55<nuno>yes
21:56<nuno>yes supaman, you also try :)
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21:59<nuno>IRC was the last resource
21:59<Nuxt->abrotman, did you find something?
21:59<abrotman>Nuxt-: lspci -nn .. what is the line for your sound card ?
22:00<Nuxt->abrotman, Multimedia audio controller [0401]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller [1106:3059] (rev 60)
22:00<abrotman>judd: pciid 1106:3059
22:00<judd>[1106:3059] is 'VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'snd-via82xx' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3059 and the out-of-tree 'snd-via82xx' module.
22:00<abrotman>should just work
22:00<abrotman>Nuxt-: are you using kde? gnome? something else ?
22:00<Nuxt->gnome
22:01<abrotman>Nuxt-: if you load the volume applet on the panel, does it do anything ?
22:01<Nuxt->volume apllet runs ok, all settings are on max
22:01<Nuxt->all itens checked
22:01<metasmv>but no sound?
22:01<supaman>and it is connected? :-)
22:01<Nuxt->no sound
22:02<Nuxt->course, xD
22:02<metasmv>i had the same problem but im using sid. my card is supported. all i did was to start the alsa-utils
22:03<Nuxt->this computer used to have sound . i used to use skype on it
22:03<sney>does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root?
22:03<Nuxt->no...
22:03<supaman>Nuxt-: can you get sound working on some else distro, live one for example? (just to check everything is working hardware vise)
22:03<abrotman>sney: he tried already
22:03<sney>k
22:03<abrotman>Nuxt-: oh, it just stopped this boot?
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22:04<Nuxt->no, there is more than a week that doesn't work. but used to work a month ago
22:05<Nuxt->start alsa-utils? how to do it?
22:05<metasmv>system > administration > services
22:05<metasmv>then reboot? not sure...
22:06<Nuxt->ok, ill try,
22:06<Nuxt->i must come back soon
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22:07<bja>!pie locklace
22:07*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
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22:09<nuno>translation may be bad, but the willpower is what counts
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22:10<nuno>use ubuntu on my desktop, but I am setting up a server with debian
22:12<supaman>nuno: and how do you know that debian doesn't recognise the cd-drive? does it not show up in lspci?
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22:13<sney>cd drives are not pci devices
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22:14<supaman>bleh ... sorry .. should be dmesg :-)
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22:14<Nuxt->no, activate alsa-conf on servicer didnt work
22:14<Nuxt->alsa-utils
22:15<nuno>I agree with sney!
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22:15<supaman>nuno: but you can see from dmesg if the drive is detected
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22:16<Nuxt->alsa-utils si checked, i rebooted, but aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav still not working (and neither my video that i wat to liten
22:17<nuno>show this: [ 2285.366239] hdb: DMA disabled
22:17<Nuxt->0listen)
22:17<nuno>other devices ok
22:18<nuno>shows that the driver is disabled
22:18<supaman>nuno: is there no hdc?
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22:19<supaman>in dmesg that is
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22:20<nuno>no, is on the 2nd drive the trouble
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22:21<Nuxt->abrotman, activating alsa-utils on Services didnt worked
22:21<nuno>the 1st drive, is ok /dev/hdc
22:21<Nuxt->is there any another tipo?
22:21<Nuxt->tip?
22:21<supaman>nuno: ahhhh .. you have two cd drives .. and second one is not detected.
22:21<abrotman>Nuxt-: you could try shutting down X/Gnome to see if that is what is interfering
22:21<nuno>supaman, yes!
22:22<supaman>nuno: and there is no hdd in dmesg either?
22:22<Nuxt->abrotman, ok, but how to do that? just stop and what to do later?
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22:23<abrotman>Nuxt-: you oculd also try a livecd to see if it works there
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22:23<supaman>Nuxt-: go all the way and stop gdm through the /etc/init.d/gdm stop
22:24<nuno>my server has, 2 hard disks (hda and hdb) and 2 CDplay (hdc and hdd)
22:24<Nuxt->ok supaman , but how to see that is whrong?
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22:25<supaman>Nuxt-: well, if the aplay as root works if you shut down all Gnome functions then we know that Gnome is in the way and perhaps can work from there, else there is some other problem
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22:25<Nuxt->ok,
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22:26<Nuxt->abrotman, it works on i live cd i have alread tried
22:26<supaman>nuno: so there is a hdd line in dmesg?
22:26<nuno>buts the 2nd CDplay plugged in after installing the system
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22:26<Nuxt->supaman, i gone to a console, no sound out aplay
22:26<Nuxt->as root
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22:27<supaman>Nuxt-: hmm ... and sound works on a livecd you say ... then the hardware is ok
22:28<Nuxt->yes ;;;
22:28<supaman>Nuxt-: was it a debian distro livecd?
22:28<Nuxt->Ubuntu
22:29<supaman>Nuxt-: try booting into that and compare the modules for both distros (Ubuntu and Debian)
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22:29<supaman>Nuxt-: lsmod
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22:31<Nuxt->i dont think the problem is the module. I used to use this same isntallation to play before, but now it dont work;
22:32<supaman>Nuxt-: any upgrades you made that could cause this?
22:32<Nuxt->yes, is that what i think
22:33<supaman>Nuxt-: do you remember what upgrades you have made?
22:33<Nuxt->i have the packages list
22:33<supaman>Nuxt-: can you upload it to a pastebin?
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22:34<Nuxt->ill say here
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22:34<Nuxt->libgtk libqtcore libqt4
22:35<supaman>thats all?
22:35<Nuxt->libxercens
22:35<Nuxt->libxerces
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22:35<Nuxt->git, base-files, python
22:36<Nuxt->gzip, usbutils
22:36<Nuxt->dhcp
22:36<Nuxt->libc6
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22:37<nuno>supaman: I was seeing the output of dmesg and not aprace anything about / dev / hdd
22:37<Nuxt->linux image 2.6.26-2amd64
22:37<Nuxt->dpkg
22:38<Nuxt->oh, i installed skype too
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22:39<nuno>supaman: I'm trying to solve without having to reinstall the system
22:39<supaman>Nuxt-: hmm ... well, possible candidates there are libc6, the kernel and skype .. I would start by deleting skype
22:40<supaman>nuno: well, does the drive work with some other OS?
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22:40<Nuxt->how can skype break this?
22:40<supaman>Nuxt-: dont know .. its proprietery software
22:41<supaman>who knows what those do ;-)
22:42<Nuxt->i think skype is now opensource
22:42<nuno>supaman: yes, in the ubuntu in liveCD
22:43<nuno>i reinstall the system tomorrow : -(
22:45<supaman>nuno: what version of kernel do you have?
22:45<supaman>Nuxt-: I dont think so, just freeware
22:46<supaman>Nuxt-: but anyways, it uses sound and so it is a candidate
22:46<nuno>supaman: 2.6.26-2-686
22:46<Nuxt->supaman, purged.
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22:46<nuno>supaman: debian lenny 5.0.3
22:46<Nuxt->ill reboot
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22:47<supaman>nuno: do you know what kind of a drive this is?
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22:50<nuno>supaman: is a DVD player, CDR-W LG IDE, is what I know about the driver
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22:51<nuno>supaman: is an older driver, but would not want to leave him standing because it is new
22:51<sney>LG drives are very common, it probably isn't a hardware problem (unless it's broken)
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22:52<supaman>nuno: nah, he said it worked in another (Ubuntu) OS
22:52<supaman>sorry, that was for sney
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22:53<nuno>but it is working, already tested
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22:54<supaman>nuno: you might try upgrading to squeeze (testing) before reinstalling .. se if a newer kernel helps out
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22:54<nuno>i testing the drive in ubuntu
22:54<supaman>nuno: but if it is an older model and a common one then it should work for this kernel, but its worth the try
22:55<supaman>gotta get some sleep now ... g'night and good luck
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22:56<nuno>supaman: thanks :)
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22:56<nuno>good luck
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23:00<User_007>the same modules are loaded on debian and Ubunu. Ubuntu have sound, debian not anymore
23:01<User_007>guys, i think there must be somwhere i can click and get sound again
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23:03<sney>User_007: sorry if this has been asked already, but is your user account in the 'audio' group?
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23:04<User_007>of course. even if i had not, i'm testing sound with aplay as root
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23:04<gsimmons>User_007: Just to confirm, did you stop your X server and then test your sound device, as previously advised by abrotman?
23:05<User_007>yes,
23:05<abrotman>you stopped it, or switched to a console ?
23:05<User_007>stoped;
23:05<User_007>just to confirm, ill try again
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23:06<User_007>wait a sex
23:06<User_007>sex
23:06<User_007>sec
23:06<User_007>0.o
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23:06<pseudonymous>Freudian slip ? =)
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23:07<Golfgeo>Hi all
23:07<Golfgeo>brb
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23:07<Golfgeo>ib :-)
23:08<Golfgeo>(Just neded to install some nice script) :-)
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23:08<User_007>no sound.
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23:08<User_007>gdm stopped. nothing
23:09<sney>if you do cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp does it make a hissing noise?
23:09<opticon>with terminal how does su or sudo work
23:09<User_007>no
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23:09*abrotman guesses the speakers are unplugged
23:09<opticon>i try going from regular user to running program that needs root permission it doesnt work
23:10<metasmv>su -
23:10<metasmv>and enter the root password
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23:10<User_007>abrotman, no. if it was unplugged it wont work with ubuntu liveCD
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23:10<abrotman>magic
23:11<Golfgeo>Is there a way to included some of the eyecandy of kde (ala kubuntu) into the lxde desktop?
23:11<Golfgeo>Like calander cpu usage etc?
23:11<gsimmons>User_007: The relevant channels are unmuted, right? (alsa-checklist step 2)
23:11<User_007>yes
23:11<User_007>all channels are unmuted and on max
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23:12<metasmv>Golfgeo, gdesklets? not sure if working on lxde
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23:12<opticon>su- asks for password but says its wrong
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23:12<metasmv>enter the root password
23:13<metasmv>the one you set at the install. not the user pasword.
23:13<sney>I'd say User_007 should file a bug report, but I don't know what he'd file it agianst
23:13<kop>Golfgeo: Yes. When I installed it I got a cpu monitor out of the box.
23:13<gsimmons>User_007: Was your audio device was working prior to the recent 5.0.4 point release? (e.g. package upgrades of linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64, libc6, et al)
23:13<opticon>nevermind it worked
23:13<Golfgeo>metasmv: I'm very happy with the speed of lxde but the lack of any nice stuff is putting me of a bit... Looking at gdesklets now
23:13<sney>the via82xxx module maybe
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23:13<opticon>thanks
23:13<User_007>gsimmons, yes
23:14<Golfgeo>kop: The one on the right of the taskbar, right? (Got a dualcore cpu here and looking for per core info...)
23:14<kop>Golfgeo: Yeah. You know about xwinman.org? It's a guide to various desktops.
23:15<Golfgeo>kop, nope, not yet but going there right now :-) Thanks mate :-)
23:15<User_007>is not any other thing i can try ?
23:15<gsimmons>User_007: Try downgrading your linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 package to linux-2.6 2.6.26-19lenny2: http://stabile.debian.org:5001/package/linux-2.6/2.6.26-19lenny2/#linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64%202.6.26-19lenny2 . Use "dpkg -i" to install, then restart your system and test your audio device.
23:16<User_007> wait a sec
23:16<kop>User_007: If that fixes it file a bug with reportbug.
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23:16<Golfgeo>Not no audio mixer atm too lol :-)
23:16<Golfgeo>(and no audio for that matter)
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23:17<kop>Golfgeo: Install alsa. You may need to run alsaconf. /msg dpkg alsa for more
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23:17<Golfgeo>kop: thanks mate :-)
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23:18<Golfgeo>bbiab :-)
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23:27<opticon>can debian be setup as proxy/firewall cache server with stateful packet inspection?
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23:29<simonrvn>uh, yeh
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23:43<kop>opticon: Check out the shorewall package.
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