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00:49<snogglethorpe>anyone else notice xorg 1.7.5 being really really slow? (with intel driver in my case... before this it was nice and fast)
00:49<snogglethorpe>but i'm not totally sure where to look for the problem
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00:54<prem>is the current d-i source in svn is not ready for a gtk build..?anybody has got any idea about this..
00:55<prem>when I try to build_netboot-gtk ..the iso is not booting and throwing some gdk errors..
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02:08<Dika_157>Hi
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02:31<axiusnew>hello, how can i see what version of a certain package is available (via aptitude) if the package is already installed ?
02:32<jm_>apt-cache policy pkgname
02:32<snogglethorpe>axiusnew: easy way (from command line) is just: aptitude search pkg-name
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02:33<snogglethorpe>er, you need to give it a format option too to see the version
02:34<snogglethorpe>e.g.: aptitude search -F"%p%v" "xserver-xorg~i"
02:34<axiusnew>thank you, i will try that now :)
02:34<snogglethorpe>("~i" in search string means "installed")
02:34<snogglethorpe>(otherwise it will show you everything with xserver-xorg as a substring, installed or not)
02:35<snogglethorpe>the name is a regexp, so you can also add, e.g., "^" at the begnning and "$" at the end to get an exact match
02:35<axiusnew>will this show me what version is available on the repository or what version i have installed ?
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02:35<axiusnew>i see, thank you :)
02:35<snogglethorpe>i think %v means version installed, and %V (uppercase) means version in repo
02:35<jm_>that's for installed only
02:36<snogglethorpe>not srue tho
02:36<snogglethorpe>e.g.: aptitude search -F"%p%v%V" "^xserver-xorg-core$~i"
02:36<snogglethorpe>to see both
02:36<axiusnew>so this would mean i have the latest version installed ? :
02:36<axiusnew>mailscanner 4.78.17-2 4.78.17-2
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02:37<jm_>just use apt-cache policy
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02:38<snogglethorpe>axiusnew: yes
02:38<axiusnew>thats what i needed :) thank you
02:39<snogglethorpe>hm, that's annoying, apt-cache policy only works if i'm root...
02:39<axiusnew>i installed using a mailscanner package i have created using alien because the newer version had solved a bug, and now i wanted to see what version is currently in the repo to check if there is a newer one :)
02:39<jm_>snogglethorpe: naah it works as user
02:39<snogglethorpe>jm_: not here it doesn't
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02:40<snogglethorpe>hm, it was an unreadable-to-world file in /etc/apt/preferences.d
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02:41<snogglethorpe>argh i guess i've gotta restart and see if reverting xorg solves myprob or not... :(
02:42<axiusnew>thank you very much for your help, if it's not too much to ask, could you give me a hint as to how to check other repos for newer versions of the package i'm interested in ? (i'm currently using squeeze main non-free contrib)
02:42<jm_>rmadison
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02:42<jm_>but if you mean unofficial ones then this won't work
02:43<snogglethorpe>axiusnew: you mean, other than just adding them to your sources.list, and trying?
02:43<axiusnew>no, i'm interested in official ones :) thank you very much
02:43<axiusnew>yeah :)
02:44<snogglethorpe>you can always comment-out the entry later if thigns don't seem to be to your liking...
02:44<axiusnew>since i'm new to linux and don't know every official repos out there :)
02:44<axiusnew>that is a good ideea but i would need to know witch repos i need first and i don't right now :) so rmadison is what i need i think :)
02:45<axiusnew>great help guys .. thanks :)
02:46<axiusnew>interesting, the results i got back were:
02:46<axiusnew>mailscanner | 4.55.10-3 | etch-m68k | source, all
02:46<axiusnew>mailscanner | 4.55.10-3 | oldstable | source, all
02:46<axiusnew>mailscanner | 4.74.16-1 | testing | source, all
02:46<axiusnew>mailscanner | 4.74.16-1 | unstable | source, all
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02:46<axiusnew>sorry for that
02:47<axiusnew>so the latest version for that packet i was searching is mailscanner | 4.74.16-1 according to http://qa.debian.org/madison.php?package=mailscanner&a=&b=&c=&s=
02:47<axiusnew>i'm guessing that it doesn't search non-free or contrib
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02:47<axiusnew>so these arent official repos ? (sorry if my question sounds stupid)
02:48<jm_>it does search non-free
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03:06<edbian>Is all the software in the repos legal?
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03:09<jmm>hi.
03:13<bittin>hi
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03:19<snogglethorpe>axiusnew: i got the impression they were official repos in effect, but there was also some attempt to try and avoid that appearance... bad politics you know
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03:51<KTL>in case of a filesystem with many different userid's, groupid's and file permissions, how can i tell who exactly can do what with a subdir deeply nested?
03:52<KTL>somehow i need union of all constraints, or the intersection of all permissions
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03:56<Myon>KTL: man 2 access
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04:07<lore>ola
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04:10<Bacteria>Hey all, I've upgraded my system from lenny to squeeze and I can't get my sound module to autoload.
04:11<Bacteria>I'm tempted to put the modprobe command in the rc.local file, but thats a nasty hack.
04:11<lore>olaaaa
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04:13<Bacteria>o/
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04:26<borden>Bacteria: try "asoundconf set-default-card SoundDriver"
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04:27<Bacteria>I don't have an asoundconf
04:27<Bacteria>I think that was removed.
04:28<Bacteria>I've tried quite a number of suggestions.
04:28<borden>install "alsa-utils" package
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04:31<Bacteria>Yeah, I've got alsa-utils. But I think in the latest version alsaconf has been removed from the package.
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04:32<Bacteria>Going to reboot
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04:38<Bacteria>I've resorted to manually running modprobe via rc.local :(
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04:38<cockroach>hey. does anyone happen to know why xserver-xorg-input-evtouch has been thrown out of testing?
04:38<dawnspirit>godd morning
04:38<dawnspirit>good*
04:39<dawnspirit>hem i've a little problem
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04:39<dawnspirit>i'd like to install ldconfig
04:39<dawnspirit>but i did't find it
04:40<dawnspirit>does anyone can help me ?
04:40<gsimmons>cockroach: Xorg transition.
04:41<cockroach>dawnspirit: it's in libc-bin
04:41<cockroach>gsimmons: so it should just be a temporary absence, right?
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04:42<gsimmons>cockroach: That's right, you can subscribe to its source package (xf86-input-evtouch) on the PTS for further updates.
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04:42<cockroach>gsimmons: okay, thanks. i'll just use the package from sid for now and wait until it gets back in
04:43<dawnspirit>thx crokroach
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04:43<dawnspirit>crockroach*
04:43<cockroach>heh
04:44<orjan>Whats the config file to add a boot option to grub2 in squeeze?
04:44<gsimmons>dpkg: tell orjan -about grub2 config
04:44<orjan>gsimmons: thanks
04:45<debianite>orjan: the only file one should edit is /etc/default/grub
04:46<orjan>ok
04:47<orjan>hmm it's not obvious how to add boot options to /etc/default/grub
04:47<debianite>each time i install a new kernel image grub take an enormous amount of time runing update-grub, is this normal?
04:48<debianite>orjan: which options do you have in mind?
04:48<orjan>acpi_pm_good
04:49<debianite>orjan: well, my gess is that they shoul go next to the quiet option on /etc/default/grub
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04:50<djnomad>im new to debianandI cannot get my nvidia to install
04:50<gsimmons>Bacteria: Just stating the module's name in /etc/modules is sufficient, though you shouldn't even need to do that. Did you inadvertently blacklist snd-hda-intel?
04:51<cockroach>hmm, is there a way to figure out what resoltion xorg is running at from the outside? it seems my display can't display the resolution but before trying to fix that i'd like to be sure that's the actual problem...
04:51<KTL>Myon, thanks
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04:53<Bacteria>gsimmons, I don't believe I have blacklisted it, because if I run modprobe snd-hda-intel it loads.
04:54<dawnspirit>can i force the installation of libc-bin ? because it has problem with lbc6
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04:55<cockroach>dawnspirit: huh? did you try to install it using dpkg?
04:55<jm_>cockroach: x logfile
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04:56<Bacteria>gsimmons, cheers, I didn't see that.
04:56<Bacteria>I'll test it out.
04:56<dawnspirit>crockroack yes this is what i made 'cause i don't have it in synaptic and "deb" is not installed
04:56<cockroach>jm_: not sure where. it mentions four modelines but... oh, just found something, nevermind
04:56<themill>!wayttd dawnspirit
04:56<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, dawnspirit?
04:56<cockroach>dawnspirit: use apt-get :)
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04:57<dawnspirit>i have to install the ld command
04:57<dawnspirit>crockroach, apt get don't find the package
04:57<cockroach>dawnspirit: ld? ld is in binutils
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04:57<cockroach>dawnspirit: you were talking about ldconfig before, i think
04:58<cockroach>dawnspirit: "apt-get install libc-bin"?
04:58<dawnspirit>yes it doesn't work
04:58<dawnspirit>actualy, when i was looking for ld, people were talking about ldconfig
04:58<cockroach>dawnspirit: try running "apt-get update" first
04:58<dawnspirit>that's why i mistaked
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04:59<cockroach>dawnspirit: i see. well, after running "apt-get update", "apt-get install libc-bin binutils" should give you ldconfig *and* ld
04:59<Bacteria>gsimmons, yeah, that worked.
04:59<Bacteria>I don't know how I missed that one.
04:59<themill>dawnspirit: what have you been doing recently? How did you get your box into this state? libc-bin shouldn't need manual installation -- if you're running squeeze you should have it anyway and if you're running lenny you don't want it.
05:01<dawnspirit>yes i think the one i need is binutils
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05:05<dawnspirit>euh
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05:05<dawnspirit>i've big problem D=
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05:06<dawnspirit>i've made a big mistake and....
05:06<dawnspirit>i don't have ldconfig anymore
05:06<modbay>ls
05:06<modbay>ls -al
05:06<dawnspirit>i think
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05:07<amphi>dawnspirit: apt-file search ldconfig will tell you what package it's in; you can then reinstall the package
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05:08<dawnspirit>apt-file : command not found
05:08<dawnspirit>=/
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05:09<amphi>dawnspirit: install it ;)
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05:10<cockroach>dawnspirit: 'dpkg -S ldconfig' will also tell you the package
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05:10<mrnice>hi, how can i find out which interface is using which interrupt and bus id?
05:10<amphi>and do apt-file update; here, on testing, the package with ldconfig is libc-bin
05:11<jm_>mrnice: cat /proc/interrupts
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05:12<mrnice>jm_, there is see eth0-rx1 - eth0-rx3
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05:13<dawnspirit>manpages-fr-extra: /usr/share/man/fr/man8/ldconfig.8.gz
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05:13<mrnice>jm_, but no ethx, so i dont know if eth0-rx3 is really eth3
05:14<jm_>mrnice: also lspci -v will show it
05:15<dawnspirit>what i have to do with this name ?
05:15<dawnspirit>*path
05:15<mrnice>jm_, lspci -v doesnt show ethx
05:15<mrnice>jm_, am i missing something?
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05:15<jm_>mrnice: paste its output on some pastebin
05:16<amphi>dawnspirit: that's a manpage; it looks looks like libc-bin or equiv. is not installed there
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05:17<amphi>dawnspirit: dpkg -S only searches for files in installed packages, by the way
05:17<dawnspirit>but i can't install apt-file without ldconfig
05:18<amphi>dawnspirit: aptitude won't run?
05:21<dawnspirit>i've the error : dpkg : « ldconfig » introuvable dans la variable PATH. ( dpkg : <<ldconfig>> unfindable in PATH variables. )
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05:24<amphi>ouf - how did you 'lose' it in the first place? ;)
05:24<dawnspirit>ehm
05:25<amphi>dawnspirit: you could boot from a cd, and try cp-ing ldconfig to /sbin
05:25<dawnspirit>amphi : because i tought ldconfig and ld was the same thing so i updated libc6 in libc-bin with the --auto-deconfigure argument and an error has stop the installation so i don't have ldconfig anymor
05:26<dawnspirit>e
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05:26<viliny>Hello!
05:26<dawnspirit>good morning viliny
05:26<amphi>why were you doing that?
05:27<viliny>Small problem here -> Pidgin comes with lenny. apparently pidgin isn't upgraded as long as one release is alive
05:27<amphi>viliny: perhaps there is a backport?
05:27<viliny>i come from ubuntu and running debian for the first hour now, how exactly would i go about acquiring a newer version of pidgin?
05:27<viliny>okay i saw that mentioned in some google results amphi
05:28<amphi>!tell viliny -about bpo
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05:28<viliny>thank you amphi :)
05:28<viliny>my first impression with debian is that it isn't as free-going as ubuntu
05:29<petemc>what does free-going mean?
05:29<mrnice>jm_, http://pastebin.com/d7222dc89
05:29<viliny>installing stuff left and right wildly
05:29<dawnspirit>amphi : 'cause i need ld to install nvidia drivers
05:29<jm_>yeah because debian would definitely use something totally different to ubuntu which has apt
05:30<seeS>free-going?
05:30<jm_>mrnice: is this a multi-port card?
05:30<mrnice>jm_, yes it is
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05:30<viliny>seeS i just mean that i got a sort of stricter feel of debian now, it even told me that my attempt to sudo stuff was going to be reported :)
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05:31<seeS>oh, i've never looked at debian that way
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05:31<mrnice>jm_, onboard 4 port intel 82576EB on a supermicro 5520 chipset server board
05:32<jm_>mrnice: hmm don't really have experience with those - sorry, why do you need the info on interrupts?
05:32<seeS>"Debian - when Ubuntu doesn't give you enough discipline"
05:32<viliny>heh
05:32<viliny>oh yeah, and theres a lecture followed by every use of the sudo :)
05:33*seeS doesn't use narky sudo
05:33<amphi>viliny: you could uninstall it ;)
05:33<viliny>hehe... hey one small issue: W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C
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05:33<mrnice>jm_, i need it for bonding, so i bond the nics with different pci buses, my guess is that eth0 and eth1 share the same bus, but i am not shure
05:33<viliny>Reason to get worried?
05:33<amphi>dawnspirit: you thought you needed to update libc for an nvidia driver?
05:33<petemc>viliny: read what it says about keys on backports.org
05:34<jm_>mrnice: ahh, is there more info in dmesg perhaps?
05:34<viliny>it tells me to correct it with apt-get update but apt-get update is what gave me the error in the first place
05:34<petemc>no
05:35<mrnice>jm_, thx, good info, in dmesg i got the MAC's :)
05:35<viliny>petemc, gotcha, thank you that worked :)
05:35<jm_>mrnice: but how will that help? ifconfig also shows MAC address
05:35<dawnspirit>amphi : no, i need ld and i confused with ldconfig
05:35<seeS>doesn't lspci tell you which bus things are on
05:35<jm_>it does, but which ethX does that link to?
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05:36<mrnice>jm_, take a look http://pastebin.com/d2d239334
05:36<viliny>thank you guys, a newer version of pidgin is installing as i type this. Really helpfull
05:36<jm_>viliny: it tells you to use gpg and apt-key or apt-get
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05:37<viliny>jm_, apt-get install debian-backports-keyring did the trick :)
05:37<jm_>viliny: sure
05:37<dawnspirit>amphi : E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
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05:38<jm_>mrnice: still don't see how that helps
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05:39<viliny>Has anyone here use virtualbox and the client additions in debian?
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05:39<viliny>worked well in ubuntu and i installed them here as well, but doesn't seem like they are active
05:39<jm_>works fine in debian too
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05:40<mrnice>now i know which mac uses what pci bus
05:40<viliny>jm_, yeah i bet, but not for me right now... wonky window mouse focus and no seamless mode or autoresolution going on as far as i can tell. Is there anywhere i need to activate them after running the .run file that the image in virtualbox has?
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05:44<mrnice>jm_, 0000:07:00.1: eth1: (PCIe:2.5Gb/s:Width x4) 00:30:48:ce:f0:c5 this is all i need :)
05:44<jm_>viliny: I don't think I did anything like that, but it was a while ago
05:45<jm_>mrnice: ahh doh, it mentiones bus ID too, I missed that earlier
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05:45<viliny>weird jm_ - and now it just gives me "sudo: ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run: command not found"
05:46<viliny>okay sudo bash helped
05:47<jm_>viliny: is it executable? ahh you fixed it
05:47<viliny>ill try and reboot now
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05:55<dawnspirit>so...
05:55<dawnspirit>amphi : i will reinstall
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05:57<amphi>dawnspirit: as I said, you could try to copy the ldconfig from an install cd, and see if that lets you reinstall libc-bin
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05:58<viliny>jm_, did not work
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05:58<viliny>any way to see if it's even installed?
05:58<petemc>viliny: why arent you using the debian packages?
05:59<jm_>viliny: is your guest linux?
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05:59<dawnspirit>amphi ok thx ;)
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05:59<marco_n>good morning
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06:00<viliny>petemc, there are vbox packages for debian? jm_ win xp running virtualbox with debian 5 inside
06:00<petemc>apt-cache search virtualbox
06:00<jm_>viliny: there's stuff like virtualbox-ose-guest-utils for debian (and guest-x11)
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06:01<viliny>thanks guys, i was using the .run file on the cd image vbox provides
06:02<cockroach>on an asus umpc (with intel mobile 915gm) on of my video outputs seems to have vanished with kernel 2.6.32 (with 2.6.30 i have VGA1 and LVDS1, with 2.6.32 only VGA1). any idea, anyone?
06:02<cockroach>on of => one of
06:03<amphi>cockroach: how odd; does the panel work? ;)
06:03<viliny>jm_, theres too many choices - and the one i just picked wants me to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 ... that can't be right?
06:03<cockroach>amphi: no, not at all. that is maybe, but at a resolution that it doesn't support :)
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06:05<amphi>cockroach: /var/log/Xorg.0.log has anything interesting?
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06:05<cockroach>amphi: not really. i'm currently on .30, saving xorg.log, then i'll compare with .32
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06:08<cockroach>was i just speaking in here? :)
06:08<petemc>yes
06:08<cockroach>okay, thanks. remind me not to kill random processes :)
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06:09<petemc>dont forget not to kill random processes, cockroach
06:09<cockroach>thanks!
06:09<petemc>np!
06:10<cockroach>amphi: for starters, LVDS is mentioned in 2.6.30's dmesg but not in 2.6.32
06:10<Viliny>jm_, are you till here? installing the repository packages for virtualbox utilies also installed me a new kernel image... and it's 486 - does that mean im running a 486 architecture kernel right now after choosing that one in grub?
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06:43<Viliny>Hello, getting this error when trying to start virtualbox giest additions in debian: modprobe vboxguest failed
06:44<Viliny>anyone have experience with this?
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06:44<seeS>does dmesg tell you why it failed?
06:45<Viliny>how do i get about finding that out?
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06:45<seeS>dmesg | tail
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06:46<Viliny>well i found this there: vboxguest: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
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06:48<seeS>that would be the problem, but what it means i have no idea
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06:51<Viliny>could all of this be a problem with the debian kernel being old or something?
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06:52<debianite>Viliny: what version of Debian and kernel are you runing?
06:53<Viliny>lenny 2.6.26-2-686
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06:53<mix22891>hello. im going to install debian for the first time, what i need to download gnome or kde? i don't even gone what ar them
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06:54<debianite>Viliny: ok, what version of virtual box are you raning? Virtialbox ose or from the website?
06:55<Viliny>3.1.4r57640 on a windows xp machine
06:55<Viliny>Xp(Debian)
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06:55<debianite>Viliny: Ha ok, yuo have a windows host and a Debian guest, is tha it?
06:56<Viliny>yes yes
06:56<Viliny>work machine and i want to use linux here
06:56<Viliny>my problem here is i can't get the guest additions to work properly in debian
06:56<debianite>Viliny: and all you need is to install Vbox additions?
06:56<Viliny>but i rather think that vbox expects a little newer kernel
06:56<Viliny>yes debalance
06:57<Viliny>*debianite
06:57<debalance>^^
06:57<Viliny>sorry sir :)
06:57<debalance>no problem ;)
06:57<mix22891>any1?
06:58<Viliny>mix22891, what is it exactly that you are asking?
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06:58<Viliny>mix22891, Gnome comes with debian installer if you choose to install it
06:58<debianite>Viliny: I'm not sure if your problem is the kernel's age...
06:58<Viliny>debianite, any clues though?
06:58<mix22891>there are gnome and kde. qhat are them?
06:58<mix22891>versions
06:59<debianite>Viliny: one thing you can do is install a newer kernel Debian backports, 2.6.30 I think
06:59<mix22891>what to download?
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06:59<mix22891>debian-live-503-i386-gnome-desktop.iso
06:59<Viliny>mix22891, why are you going to download either one separately if you don't even know what they are?
06:59<debianite>Viliny: and then try to run the vbox additions script...
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06:59<mix22891>debian-live-503-i386-kde-desktop.iso
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07:00<Viliny>mix22891, ah now i get it... didn't know debian came with both
07:00<debianite>Viliny: but be sure to instal the kernel heders that go with it
07:00<mix22891>again. im going to install debian for the first time
07:01<Viliny>debianite, i followed some instructions that made me install some programs that maybe do that automaticly... does that make any sense? no i guess not - but yeah, did some kernel fiddling in ubuntu and installed headers then too
07:01<mix22891>that mean that i don't know noting about
07:01<mix22891>debian
07:01<Viliny>mix22891, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/difference-between-linux-kde-gnome-desktop.html
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07:02<debianite>Viliny: add the Debian backports to your apt sources and try to compile the vbox additions again
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07:03<Viliny>debianite, i have the backports, im just not 100% on where to start looking for the kernels
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07:03<bittin>iam trying to create a deb file for the latest wmii, somone can check an error message?
07:03<debianite>Viliny: Just fire up aptitude and search for linux-image-2.6.30
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07:04<Viliny>im in synaptic at the moment, ok or absolutely go for apti?
07:04<debianite>Viliny: or aptitude search linux-image-2.6.3
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07:05<bittin>http://pastebin.com/f72598a05
07:06<debianite>Viliny: on backports you have linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2
07:06<Viliny>debianite, oaky i think i got it now - one minute and ill start debian into the new image :)
07:06<gsimmons>mix22891: Note that Debian Live images do not have a hard disk installation option. Ask dpkg about "install debian" for installation media (/msg dpkg install debian).
07:06<debianite>Viliny: ok...
07:06<Viliny>2.6.30-bpo.1-686 though
07:07<debianite>Viliny: thats ok, just be sure to install the headers too
07:07<Viliny>what exactly are the headers?
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07:08<debianite>there is a package called linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-686
07:08<debianite>Viliny: you have to install that one so you can compile stuff
07:08<Viliny>ah i see
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07:09<bittin>ah sorry the error message is: error: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2 and Patch 02-config-local-mk.patch does not remove cleanly (refresh it or enforce it with -f)
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07:09<debianite>Viliny: and also build-essential and module-assistant
07:09<Viliny>those i have debianite
07:10<prem>is there any package in debian which asks for a prompt "What do you want to do?" ..when I insert a audio/video cd
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07:11<debianite>Viliny: ok great, I thing if you run module-assistant update && module-assistant prepare, it will install the headers for you
07:11<prem>any such application in debian..? am running squeeze..
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07:16<Viliny>Yaaay atleast the opengl module built successfully :)
07:16<mix22891>Viliny: i just read http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/difference-between-linux-kde-gnome-desktop.html and im still confuse!
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07:16<bittin>Somone feel like building a newer wmii then those in the repos for me? iam failing at compiling
07:16<Viliny>debianite, the installation finished without errors now... was a kernel issue it seems - thanks a TON for the help!
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07:17<Viliny>mix22891, basicly it's 2 different desktop systems... if you don't know which one you want i recommend gnome personally, but someone else might think differently
07:17<Viliny>mix22891, it doesn't limit you in the future, you can have both kde and gnome installed and switch freely between them
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07:18<Viliny>mix22891, it's like a windows theme if you really break it down into simplistic explanation
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07:19<debianite>Viliny: you are very welcome , glad I could help :)
07:20<Viliny>i too am glad :) mix22891 are you still confused?
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07:20<mix22891>thanks god!
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07:20<mix22891>now im not
07:21<Viliny>mix22891, there are others in addition to kde and gnome as well when you get comfortable with linux
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07:23<mix22891>im using ubuntu. i want move to debian becuse ubuntu based on debian.
07:24<Viliny>why?
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07:30<mix22891>its look like windows????? i don't want to remember windows!!!
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07:30<Viliny>what did you end up choosing?
07:30<Viliny>ubuntu uses gnome by default
07:31<mix22891>how kde looks like?
07:31<Viliny>i have a fresh installation of debian here - i too came from ubuntu usage and wanted to expand my knowledge to debian
07:32<Viliny>mix22891, how kde looks like? 1# i gave you the article with screenshots to both desktop systems #2 If your not running KDE at the moment then you are running Gnome - and if your running gnome then you should see something very similar to ubuntu which you said you had been using before and if thats all true then i can't understand the windows comment you made
07:32<mix22891>this is gnome?: http://www.opensourcedeal.com/images/products/Debian_1.gif
07:32<KTL>i have some problems with managing file permissions, i want to know easily who can read/write/execute files deeply nested in a directory hierarchy. Every node in the tree traversal could have other rights, need to know if the rights are sufficiently and not excessively chipped off
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07:33<KTL>(and i want to backup these rights...)
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07:33<mix22891>lol
07:33<KTL>i need to tell the enduser who is capable of fiddling with files
07:33<mix22891>Viliny :)
07:34<Viliny>mix22891, that is almost exactly how my desktop looks like right now and yes thats gnome
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07:34<mix22891>oh no
07:34<mix22891>its look like windows
07:35<mix22891>my computer
07:35<Viliny>http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/compfac/pics/kde2-1.jpg
07:35<Viliny>thats kde
07:35<Viliny>albeit a pretty old one i guess
07:35<Viliny>heres a newer one: http://www.desktoplinux.com/files/misc/kde4-desktop.jpg
07:36<mix22891>Viliny . cool kde looks more profesional
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07:36<Viliny>i think the opposite
07:36<mix22891>what is opposite (sorry my english)
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07:37<Viliny>well in this case, i think opposite to what you think meaning: i think gnome looks more professional
07:37<Viliny>while you think kde looks more professional
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07:37<Viliny>hence, we have opposite oppinions
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07:38<mix22891>ok
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07:38<Viliny>where are you from?
07:38<mix22891>me?
07:38<Viliny>yes, what is your language?
07:38<mix22891>ISrael
07:39<Viliny>okay well that doesn't help me - could have managed finnish and swedish :)
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07:40<mix22891>hebrew
07:40<mix22891>עברית
07:41<Viliny>??????
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07:42<mix22891>hebrew is my language
07:42<Viliny>yes
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07:42<Viliny>can you see what this says? ??????
07:42<mix22891>and that me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D14DQnl3ghU dancing:)
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07:43<mix22891>and no
07:43<mix22891>wortal kombat lol
07:43<mix22891>mortal*
07:44<Viliny>lift your arms up higher
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07:46<mix22891>my choice moving to debian is good?
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07:46<locklace>!start a distro war
07:46<dpkg>Debian Rulz
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07:47<Viliny>mix22891, i think it might be a bit unneccesary seeing as how ubuntu seems to be a easier version of debian
07:47<mix22891>what about ubuntu?
07:48<mix22891>ok! Viliny . cool
07:48<mix22891>you very helped me and strong my choice.
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07:48<Viliny>glad if i could help :)
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07:51<mix22891>samba scanner?
07:51<Viliny>what?
07:51<mix22891>how do i install the script
07:51<mix22891>?
07:52<Viliny>you want to install samba?
07:52<mix22891>its a scanner
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07:52<mix22891>yes
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07:52<Viliny>still in debian?
07:52<mix22891>yes
07:52<Viliny>have you tried the package manager?
07:53<mix22891>this: samba-latest.tar.gz ?
07:53<Viliny>ah
07:53<Viliny>just open a terminal and typ "apt-get install samba" and it does it for you automagically
07:55<Viliny>you need root priviledges to do that though
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07:56<mix22891>what are roor privileges?
07:56<mix22891>root*
07:56<Viliny>super user, admin
07:56<mix22891>im the admin
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07:57<Viliny>did you try apt-get then?
07:57<mix22891>yes
07:57<Viliny>did it work?
07:57<amdgoon>!tell mix22891 about root
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08:01<mix22891>how to open samba scan?
08:01<Viliny>what is samba scan?
08:01<mix22891>cool scanner
08:02<Viliny>you mean like an actual scanner you have there? to scan papers and stuff with and you want samba to share it or something?
08:02<mix22891>to scan computers :)
08:02<mix22891>for shering
08:03<mix22891>hack hack hack
08:03<Viliny>try Places->Network
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08:03<usuario>ola
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08:04<mix22891>Viliny with smb you can hack
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08:05<Viliny>im not really understanding you now mix22891
08:06<Viliny>you want to scan the network for other computers?
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08:07<mix22891>yes
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08:08<Viliny>well thats not what samba is for
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08:09<lorenzo>o il canale italiano ?
08:09<Viliny>firefox isn't supported on debian?
08:09<bremner>!iceweasel
08:09<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
08:09<Viliny>lorenzo, no
08:10<bremner>!tell lorenzo about it
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08:10<Viliny>Soltanto inglese qui
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08:14<Viliny>bremner, right - thank you :)
08:16<mix22891>Viliny http://www.johannes-bauer.com/sambascanner/index.php
08:17<Viliny>that page has installation instructions mix22891
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08:23<mix22891>see this http://img.brothersoft.com/s_screenshot/softimage/s/smb_resource_scanner-336525-1265173348.jpeg
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08:24<Viliny>did you not install it already?
08:24<mix22891>i don't know how to use it
08:25<mix22891>no icon for smb
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08:27<mix22891>93% of the downloaaaaaaaaad
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08:28<Viliny>theres the installation instruction down on that page
08:28<Viliny>that you pasted here
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08:31<mix22891>live cd of debian isnt make an H.D install?
08:32<gsimmons>mix22891: No.
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08:34<mix22891>o just finish to download live cd
08:34<mix22891>:(
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08:35<ansgar>I want to connect two computers via WiFi. I tried hostap mode first, had no success and then tried ad-hoc mode.
08:35<gsimmons>mix22891: I did point this out to you over an hour ago.
08:35<ansgar>But it didn't work either (http://paste.debian.net/60377/).
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08:36<ansgar>The WLAN cards are a Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN (iwlagn driver) and a Atheros card using the ath9k driver.
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08:37<imganquan>hi all. nautilus-open-terminal doesn't work, I'm in sid. How about yours?
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08:38<bremner>imganquan: maybe one of the 177 bugs of nautilus has something to say about this?
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08:39<mix22891>im here: http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian-cd/i386/
08:40<mix22891>what to download
08:41<petemc>read the install guide
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08:41<lorenzo>italy ubuntu?
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08:42<imganquan>bremner: I searched in bugs.debian.org/nautilus, but I didn't got useful infomation. So I asked here,anyone has the same problem?
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08:42<lancelot_of>hi all
08:42<petemc>mix22891: http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian-cd/i386/iso-cd/ , theres a 150meg netinst in that dir
08:42<lorenzo>italy ubuntu?
08:42<imganquan>bremner: thank you all the same. good guy,
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08:42<lorenzo>ubuntu italian?
08:42<lancelot_of>how to install/use a wifi printer on debian?i've never used a network printer, any suggestion?
08:42<petemc>lorenzo: irc.freenode.net
08:43<mix22891>petemc ty ill do it
08:43<lancelot_of>lorenzo, irc.freenode.net channel #ubuntu-it
08:43<lorenzo>chat italy?
08:43<bremner>imganquan: great. To prevent grumpy responses when talking about sid, it is always good to start with "I searched the BTS, but " :)
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08:44<lancelot_of>lorenzo, pvt with me
08:44<imganquan>bremner: thank you bremner. :o)
08:45<mix22891>prey, white rabbit, prey!
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08:46<bremner>imganquan: a wild, probably wrong guess, but do you have gnome-terminal installed?
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08:47<imganquan>bremner: of course.
08:48<lancelot_of>how to install/use a wifi printer on debian?i've never used a network printer, any suggestion?
08:48<bremner>lancelot_of: I suggest being patient :).
08:48<jm_>first check if printer is supported in linux
08:48<bremner>then use cups
08:48<lancelot_of>bremner, of course, it seemed to me my post confused between many others, sorry
08:48<lancelot_of>:)
08:49<jm_>next check how it communicates, if it's jetdirect use cups (socket:// ...)
08:49<bremner>the cups add printer dialog should be straightforward. It helps to know the ip address of the printer, but there is also a scan built in
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08:50*bremner just bought a samsung printer that supports cups directly (ipp://) pretty cool!
08:50<jm_>which model is that?
08:50<bremner>ML-2851ND
08:50<jm_>ahh much better than my new 1640 :)
08:51<bremner>It was CAD200 including taxes and shipping...
08:51<lancelot_of>should i write any network conf file before using cups?
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08:51<jm_>yeah about the same in euros here
08:52<bremner>lancelot_of: it is not required.
08:52<bremner>jm_: europe gets ripped off, again
08:53<lancelot_of>bremner, how does cups recognize wifi printer if it's not associated with any network?
08:53<jm_>bremner: :)
08:54<bremner>lancelot_of: ah, good point. You'll have to read the manual. Mine is wired ethernet...
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08:55<bremner>there are two layers: first the printer needs an IP address, then cups can take over
08:55<Viliny>gsimmons, debian has a livecd thats incapable of installing debian on local hd?
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08:55<bremner>lancelot_of: it might be good to attach the printer to wired ethernet (if possible) for setup
08:56<lancelot_of>bremner, is it possible to attach the printer to a pre-existing wifi home network? or is it necessary to use the printer server?
08:57<mix22891>can i installing debian onthe hd from a livecd?
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08:57<jm_>only if you use debootstrap
08:58<bremner>lancelot_of: like you, I haven't read your printer manual :), but I guess any wifi network should do
08:58<bremner>the trick is how to tell the printer what SSID and key to use
09:00<lancelot_of>bremner, right, but i'd like to read the manual if any useful information would be there :( maybe i've done a disaster, my printer is lexmark x7675 and i'm reading bad things about linux support
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09:02<lancelot_of>infact the printer model is not included in cups
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09:02<bremner>lancelot_of: have you looked on linux-printing.org ?
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09:03<bremner>back later
09:04<Punk>hi
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09:05<ansgar>I have a problem with the ethernet card in another computer: it works when connecting to my other computer, but not when connecting to the DSL modem.
09:05<Viliny>ansgar, no lights?
09:05<ansgar>The lights are on. The kernel says auto-negotiation was successful as well.
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09:06<Viliny>ansgar, wrong kind of cable?
09:06<ansgar>I can even see some ARP request coming from the DSL modem (using tcpdump).
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09:07<ansgar>But I get no reply when sending DHCP requests (or pinging after configuring the network manually)
09:08<Punk>oh, my slam
09:08<ansgar>If tcpdump wouldn't show any packages, I would guess it was the wrong type of cable, but if I can seem something?
09:09<Viliny>yeah i was just a wee bit curious if it might be a crossover cable since you had luck connecting it to another computer
09:09<Viliny>of course you could check that quickly by using this working cable with that computer
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09:09<ansgar>Viliny: Don't most network cards handle both nowadays?
09:09<Viliny>yeah i believe so, but what about the dsl modem?
09:10<ansgar>(I only have one network cable here right now, using it to connect to the DSL modem right now)
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09:10<ansgar>I'm not sure, but the kernel says it negotiated 100MBit half duplex with the other side. The link indicator on the DSL modem lights up as well.
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09:11<Viliny>weird... well im just bouncing off ideas from my end
09:11<Viliny>i have little more to guess at this point
09:11<Viliny>good luck sir :/
09:11<jm_>try configuring it manually then ping the other and and see if leds blink on both sides
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09:12<jm_>and=end
09:12<volta>morning ... question: how to change the encryption algorithm used for the passwords in /etc/shadow?
09:12<jm_>volta: try /etc/pam.d/common-password
09:13<volta>ok, default is md5
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09:13<volta>i have an old shadow file with passwords starting with $2a$, md5 is indicated by $1$
09:14<jm_>2a is blowfish
09:14<volta>yup
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09:15<volta>what should i change in /etc/pam.d/common-password to make them *readable*
09:15<ansgar>jm_: Interesting. The activity led on the DSL modem is active when I see incoming packets, but not for outgoing ARP requests.
09:15<jm_>ansgar: so your host doesn't get ARP replies or what?
09:15<Punk>im fat slam, is debian for me?
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09:16<jm_>ansgar: sorry need to go
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09:16<ansgar>jm_: Yes, I don't get arp replies, or replies to DHCP requests.
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09:19<Punk>yo
09:19<Punk>freestyler
09:19<Viliny>rock the microphone?
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09:19<Punk>lol
09:20<Punk>how do i rock the microfhone?
09:20<Ganneff>elsewhere
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09:20<Punk>alon?
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09:20<beers>does anyone know if the black screen when using more than one screen problem has truely gone from kde (https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156475 ) ?
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09:21<Punk>make sex
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09:22<Punk>4min' left
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09:22<Viliny>Punk, http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/bomfunk+mcs/freestyler_20022119.html
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09:27<Punk>at last i bring out that thing of my nose
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09:35<jmm>hi .
09:35<jmm>killall -9 dentist
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09:37<debianite>jmm: dentist > /dev/null
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09:37<jmm>I agree :)
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09:39<Bushmills>does one really have to go through tools such as find, to tell chmod to limit actions to files, or directories only? happens frequently enough that one want to change permissions recursively, but differently for directories and other. i can hardly believe that this pretty common situation hasn't been accounted for with chmod
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09:41<locklace>Bushmills: it's precisely what find is for. if you use zsh, you don't need find, because its wildcard patterns are a strict superset of find's functionality
09:41<jmm>Bushmills: what did you expect ? some chmod option ?
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09:41<Bushmills>yes, probably. something which makes -R option actually useful.
09:42<Bushmills>without, treating directories and files identically for setting permissions can't really be the aimed for intention for -R
09:42<locklace>Bushmills: find+chmod is exactly in line with unix philosophy. having some weird filtering options in chmod would not be, since you'd then have to duplicate them in every other command that supported recursion
09:42<jmm>locklace is right.
09:42<Bushmills>locklace: but then, chmod wouldn't need a -R option, as find handles that as well
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09:43<themill>Bushmills: if you use relative modes not absolute modes is frequently enough for chmod -R anyway.
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09:43<Bushmills>so you can set files word-readable but not set directories world-executable, without setting files executalbe?
09:44<themill>"frequently"...
09:44<locklace>the best solution is still having sufficiently good glob support in your shell
09:45<themill>locklace: doesn't that violate the "one tool for one job" principle?
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09:46<locklace>no. modern shells do tons of things that you used to have to call separate programs for, and that's good, because the rules for interactive shells are different to those for pipeline utilities.
09:47<locklace>there's also no reason to have crippled glob capabilities, and there hasn't been for years and years
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09:47<Bushmills>jmm, yes, an option. like -R, maybe -r, with the difference that it matches files (or directories) only. whatever makes more sense.
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09:48<jmm>Bushmills: really I'm sure you don't want to learn a new option for every tool that can be used on files and directory.
09:48<jmm>:)
09:49<Bushmills>well, removing -R would also be a possibilty
09:50<locklace>no, since it's part of posix
09:50<Bushmills>" it's precisely what find is for." :D
09:51<locklace>Bushmills: "The perm symbol X shall represent the execute/search portion of the file mode bits if the file is a directory or if the current (unmodified) file mode bits have at least one of the execute bits (S_IXUSR, S_IXGRP, or S_IXOTH) set. It shall be ignored if the file is not a directory and none of the execute bits are set in the current file mode bits."
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09:52<lancelot_of>bremner, based on linuxprinting.org no support for lexmark x7675 is given for linux
09:52<lancelot_of>no drivers, i mean
09:52<lancelot_of>it's so hateful
09:53<bremner>bummer. Can you return the printer?
09:53<lancelot_of>still compatibility problems with linux in 2010
09:53<lancelot_of>bremner, dunno, i suppose i can't
09:54<Bushmills>locklace: that reads as it was possible with chmod after all, but still i need to reread that a few times more till i actually understood that.
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09:58<Bushmills>right. got it.
09:59<Bushmills>chmod *can* do that.
09:59<Bushmills>that's possibly one of its more obscure features
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10:08<Bushmills>works perfectly in a +rX setting.
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10:44<elisa34>ciao
10:44<jmm>hi..
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10:47<elisa34>hi. here speack only english?
10:48<jmm>yes.
10:48<elisa34>because i'm italian person, and my englis is very horryble, hihi.
10:48<jmm>!it
10:48<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:48<jmm>hihi :)
10:49<elisa34>ok, grazie/tanks
10:50<jmm>ciao a tutti.
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10:57<Chrono_Masters>anyone knows what will be the name of next Debian testing? Now id Squeeze
10:58<Chrono_Masters>5.0 = Lenny ;;;; 6.0 = Squeeze ;;;; 7.0 = ????
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11:28<bja>Sigue las instrucciones para instalarlo, basicamente lo descomprimes en el archivo de pluggins de ff/iw dentro del subdirectorio de tu usuario
11:29<locklace>!pie bja
11:29*dpkg hits bja in the face with a cream pie
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11:29<bja>!beer locklace
11:29*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for locklace
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11:30<lancelot_of>is there anyway to compile printer drivers for linux from win drivers?my printer is unsupported on linux :(
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11:33<cahoot>lancelot_of: linuxprinting.org didn't help?
11:34<bja>lancelot_of: is your printer supported on Mac ?
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11:36<jmm>lancelot_of: it's probably not possible. do you have the sources of the drivers at least ?
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11:44<tuxcrafter>what is going on with the diffutils package lately
11:44<tuxcrafter>why so many updates in testing
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11:44<tuxcrafter>and wy cant i downgrade the pacakge with apt-get diffutils/stable
11:45<tuxcrafter>i seem to allowed it to upgrade to an unstable package
11:45<tuxcrafter>and i try to keep all my packages from stable
11:45<bja>!downgrade
11:45<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
11:46<tuxcrafter>ok ok
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11:46<tuxcrafter>i will try to purge it first
11:46<tuxcrafter>then install it again
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11:47<tuxcrafter>i am just a bit supprised it slipt thourgh my qa systems
11:47<tuxcrafter>i got 10 debian stable serves now with diffutils from unstable
11:47<weasel>how can that even happen
11:48<weasel>or, in other words, why on earth do you have unstable sources in your sources.list on those machines
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11:49<tuxcrafter>ow i use pinning a lot
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11:50<themill>and now you wonder why you've got packages from unstable....
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11:51<tuxcrafter>no i only wonder wy i managed to get the diffutils from unstable
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11:51<tuxcrafter>apt-show-versions | fgrep /unstable
11:51<tuxcrafter>shows it is the only package from unstable :D
11:52<themill>The package also hasn't had an update in testing for 5 months so you're really out on your "so many updates in testing" conjecture
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11:53<tuxcrafter>themill: how can i chack that for my self :D
11:53<tuxcrafter>in the changelogs?
11:53<themill>!qa
11:53<dpkg>[qa] Quality Assurance. Debian Quality Assurance: http://qa.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org debian-qa@lists.debian.org #debian-qa on irc.oftc.net.
11:53<tuxcrafter>or is there some nice dpkg tool
11:53<themill>Specifically, http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/diffutils.html
11:53<tuxcrafter>i always check the rmadison tool for versions
11:54<themill>fsvo "always"
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11:55<tuxcrafter>themill: is that info available form a cli debian tool?
11:55<bja>links2
11:55<tuxcrafter>i made a mistake somewhere and i need to make the changes smaller i do it again
11:55<tuxcrafter>bja: no do not meer a cli webrowser vor rss reader :D
11:56<tuxcrafter>/meer/mean/
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12:01<bja>What is the difference between nc and socat, they actually pretty much do the same but is there a pragmatic difference to choose one over the other at the time of writing a script?
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12:02<koollman>bja: nc is simpler and handles less
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12:03<bja>koollman: What do you mean by handles less?
12:03<koollman>bja: I would use nc when it does the job, and turns to socat when I need some extra features, like ssl handly or fifo manipulation
12:03<koollman>s/handly/handling/
12:03<locklace>bja: socat offers a large superset of the functionality of nc
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12:03<bja>koollman, locklace: thx
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12:04<stack_underflow>i installed xfce4 a while back and now when i try to remove it, it seems as if all the other packaged it installed are still on my hard drive (i can run the xfce terminal and i still get the option to use xfce when i log in); i've tried 'aptitude purge xfce4' but it doesn't seem to do anything
12:05<kop>If I've got a "git clone" command that checks out the master branch, how do I check out another branch?
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12:08<bja>kop: man git-branch
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12:09<kop>bja: I did. I got a new branch, but that's not what I want. I tried "origin/foo", but it told me that foo is remote and "git branch" says my current branch is "no branch".
12:09<bja>what is the output of git branch
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12:11<kop>bja: * (no branch)\n master
12:11<bja>kop: git checkout master
12:11<kop>bja: But I don't want to be in master.
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12:12<kop>bja: I want to be in allmerged, which is not local.
12:12<kop>bja: So I want a copy of the allmerged branch.
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12:12*kop finds darcs a whole lot easier.
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12:15<bja>kop: http://ktown.kde.org/~zrusin/git/git-cheat-sheet.svg
12:15<kop>bja: Thanks much.
12:16<bja>np
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12:21<dhastha>need help: how to install and configure heartbeat in debian server?
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12:27<steko>hi
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12:27<bja>&!
12:28<steko>someone can explain how Packages/DiffIndex stuff works on the server side ? I'd like to help this repository http://debian.cran.r-project.org/ not sending ~500 kB each time
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12:34<Guest509>\server red-latina.org
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12:37<locklace>kop: git checkout -t allmerged
12:38<dhastha>anybody know heartbeat
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12:39<edbian>Is there a way to connect to sftp debian server windows client without installing additional software on the client?
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12:40<locklace>are you asking if there's a way to connect to an ssh server without installing an ssh client
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12:41<edbian>locklace: I guess I simply wasn't clear on what sftp was. Is it just ftp in an ssh tunnel?
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12:41<riberto>Hi all, I just downloaded and installed via NET and can't get the laptop's wifi to connect to my base? any tips WILL be appreciated
12:42<locklace>edbian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSH_file_transfer_protocol
12:42<edbian>locklace: Thanks
12:42<locklace>!tell riberto about wifi
12:42<riberto>yes, I know I must set up wifi?
12:43<riberto>3945 on Panasonic Toughbook CF-51
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12:43<bja>!tell riberto about unix lessons
12:44<riberto>you mean lack of unix lessons?
12:44<locklace>!iwlwifi
12:44<dpkg>iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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12:45<riberto>ok! Thanks
12:45<bja>!next
12:45<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:45<riberto>lol
12:46<riberto>what should I type in open console?
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12:47<locklace>riberto: echo "i need to read what dpkg told me"
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12:57<riberto>in SuSE I must tell system about package sourses, ie: pacman, etc must I do that after installing debian?
12:58<mikegrb>an initial sources list should be set up for you automagically
12:59<riberto>just ran synaptic and asked it to find "firmware-iwlwifi" and came out blank? is there another way? please forgive this newbies queries!
12:59<locklace>!non-free sources
12:59<dpkg>non-free sources is probably edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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13:01<riberto>I have always looked up to Debian as the top OS but why is it so much harder than others to setup?
13:02<locklace>the problem isn't debian, it's your reading comprehension
13:02<riberto>i routinelly run OpenSuSE and now Kubuntu, just that I wanted to explore Debian
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13:03<riberto>you are probably right! I better stick to other OS's made for idiots like me, sorry to disturb you.
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13:04<locklace>riberto: /msg dpkg iwlwifi ; /msg dpkg non-free sources
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13:05<Minase>hello
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13:05<Minase>:nunu:
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13:05<Minase>can anyone help me please? have a problem with debian
13:05<locklace>!tell Minase about ask
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13:07<Minase>I have a problem with copying files in debian latest version
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13:07<Minase>after a while the whole sistem freeze and only a hard reset will make the machine responsive
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13:08<locklace>Minase: what exactly are you doing that's making the system freeze
13:08<Minase>just moving / copying files
13:08<Minase>from NTFS partitions
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13:08<locklace>how, with cp?
13:08<Minase>i installed debian today with latest updates
13:08<locklace>and paste the output of uname -a
13:08<Minase>i used for begining KDE
13:09<Minase>great speed over 50MB/s
13:09<Minase>but after a while it remained in waiting no more copying
13:09<Minase>installed gnome
13:09<Minase>the whole sistem freeze...
13:09<Minase>after that KDE started to freeze to
13:09<Minase>this happen only when i copy from NTFS to NTFS
13:10<Minase>actually didnt tried from ext3 to ext3
13:10<Minase>no error log is recorded
13:10<Minase>for this problem
13:11<bja>!enter
13:11<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
13:11<Minase>i have 2.7 GB swap space
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13:12<locklace>try the ext3 to ext3, and also try it with plain cp from the commandline instead of using gnome/kde guis, and also when it starts to slow down before freezing, run top and see if there's anything eating cpu, and also confirm whether you're using ntfs-3g
13:12<locklace>and paste the output of uname -a
13:13<Minase>Linux server1 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 10 08:59:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
13:13<locklace>and if you can duplicate the problem with plain cp, try it again with x shut down
13:13<Minase>this is a risky one :)
13:13<Minase>but i will try
13:14<Minase>.. btw how can i kill X
13:14<Minase>?
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13:15<locklace>"invoke-rc.d kdm stop" i guess, replacing kdm with gdm or whatever you're using
13:16<Minase>stopped now i will try to copy something
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13:20<Minase>sorry client dropped
13:20<Er>OLAA
13:21<Minase>if i use Cp source destination
13:21<Minase>it gives error
13:21<Minase>i have user cp -r is this good?
13:21<Minase>used*
13:21<Er>illo abla en españoo
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13:22<Er>olaaa
13:22<locklace>Minase: sure, if a recursive copy is what you want
13:23<locklace>!es
13:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:23<Er>jc lfnf +c
13:23<Er>ff f fjo kf nç
13:23<Er> f ¡f
13:23<Er>f
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13:24<Er>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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13:25<Er>olaa
13:25<locklace>!slap Er
13:25*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Er's face
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13:25<Er>ola
13:25<Minase>till now it didnt block lets see i am copying over 500GB,but for test i copy a 50gb folder
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13:26<Er>ola bititit
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13:26<Minase>btw FDClone is same as console? i mean it's just a gui for console right?
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13:27<locklace>it appears to be a text-based file manager
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13:27<Er>puta
13:28<Er>jbnofgkbl
13:28<Er>btbrf
13:28<Er>vb
13:28<Er>bbg
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13:29<simonft>How can I get cron to stop sending me mail?
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13:32<petemc>simonft: you can set MAILTO="", or append >/dev/null 2>&1 to the command cron will run
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13:33<Minase>sorry back
13:33<Minase>the server has freezed again
13:33<Minase>with X closed
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13:34<locklace>Minase: ok. at least we have ruled out x and all the de junk. it is going to be either a hw or driver problem
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13:34<Minase>hardware cant be :)
13:34<Minase>on windows every file can be moved normally
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13:35<locklace>Minase: can you install the kernel from lenny-backports, reboot, and try again
13:35<simonft>petemc: thanks
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13:35<Minase>for moment im stuck
13:35<Minase>i need to wait till tomorow when someone goes to reboot the server
13:35<Minase>im not near it
13:35<locklace>Minase: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/i386/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686/download
13:36<locklace>get that and install it with dpkg -i when you can
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13:37<Minase>if the problem still persist?
13:37<Minase>what can i do ?
13:37<bja>Come back and ask again
13:37<Minase>ok i will try that tomorow :)
13:38<Minase>thank you
13:38<Minase>btw 1 more question
13:38<locklace>btw was that last attempt with ext3 or ntfs
13:38<Minase>from NTFS to EXT3
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13:38<Minase>in windows vista my RDNS is automatically setup
13:39<Minase>in linux it does seem it isnt
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13:39<Minase>i obtain my IP from DHCP server
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13:39<Minase>what can i make to setup RDNS
13:39<Minase>already created PTR and still no results
13:40<Minase>it is a way to send a query or something like that to my ISP DNS server to recognize my RDNS ?
13:40<petemc>where did you create it?
13:40<Minase>in my DNS server
13:40<Minase>if im not wrong the DNS is MYDNS
13:41<Minase>yeah thats the name of dns server MYDNS
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13:41<bja>Minase: usually isp will not let you do RDNS to your domain name for some administrative reason. If they don't set it up, there is no way you can alter their dns server
13:41<proc>moin moin
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13:42<Minase>i think is not an ISP issue
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13:42<bja>Minase: Believe me it is
13:42<Minase>because on other OS the RDNS is created automatically
13:42<Minase>with same IP address and same submask
13:43<petemc>Minase: you can configure dhclient to send a hostname with the dhcp request
13:43<Minase>let me google a little to see more about this :)
13:44<Minase>any info how i would make this ?:|
13:44<petemc>look in /etc/dhclient.conf
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13:45<Minase>thank you good to be noted :)
13:45<Minase>if i modify with VI the settings will remain right?
13:46<Minase>or the file is autogenerated?
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13:51<Minase>ok as soon as i will get access to machine i will try the above methods
13:51<Minase>thank you very much for your time and help
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13:52<Secretar>hello
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13:55<poliane>Bely
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13:56<poliane>oi
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13:56<poliane>¬¬'
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13:58<poliane>^ ^
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13:58<Michey>привет
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14:04<poliane>oun
14:04<poliane>oi michey
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14:05<bja>!tell poliane about br
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14:08<kapal>Hello! I am using Debian Lenny, and when I type 'LANG=C ls --help' as root I dont get the default locale, what could be wrong? The same as regular user is ok? Any tip appreciated? I don't have a clue how to google it up. Keywords also apprecieated.
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14:38<teage>Does anyone here know how to invoke the themes manager from the terminal?
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14:39<Titan8990>for kde? gnome? xfce? amarok?
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14:39<Titan8990>chrome? firefox? compiz?
14:39<teage>I am working on a live cd and am almost finished, i can invoke synaptic from terminal, but i dont know the command for the themes.
14:39<teage>its for gnome
14:40<gernot>Hi. It seems that I have a big problem with my DVD drive on squeeze. An application (such as nautilus or lshw) trying to access /dev/hda will just freeze. This is the last line of an strace then: open("/dev/hda", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK. This is potentially relevant dmesg output: http://debian.pastebin.com/d63989c1d
14:40<Titan8990>not sure for gnome... i would try gnome[tab] a couple times and see if anything looks applicable
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14:41<gernot>It's a SATA drive that didn't cause trouble with Ubuntu before.
14:41<maykol>hola
14:41<Titan8990>gernot, your running unstable?
14:41<bja>teage: if you have running gnome install create a direct access or whatever is called (hit the right button on top of the app) then start picking its brain till you fing what you are looking for
14:41<gernot>Oh it was called /dev/scd0 then.
14:41<maykol>soy nueno en xubuntu
14:41<bja>!ubuntu
14:41<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:41<gernot>Titan8990, I'm running testing.
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14:42<Titan8990>gernot, have you checked the BTS for your problem?
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14:42<teage>bja, what do you mean by direct access, im chrooted into the directory where will be my livecd at the moment with nothing more then a command line interface.
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14:43<teage>bja, im not sure where the gui theme manager would be located or as i would just go there with nautilus
14:44<bja>teage: How do you invoke the theme manager from the graphical part?
14:44<teage>system preferences
14:44<teage>system/preferences/appearance
14:45<bja>ok hit it with the right mouse button and it should appear a make link on Desktop or something similar
14:45<Titan8990>teage, if you go to edit menu, does it let you look at that entry?
14:45<bja>generate it and try editing it , the command line should be there
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14:45<bja>sorry it's been a long time since i used gnome
14:46<teage>titan8998, im chrooted
14:46<gernot>Titan8990, I tried. I also tried searches for all kinds of important looking messages, but didn't find anything. I was hoping somebody could maybe point my research in a more specific direction.
14:46<bja>teage: wait a sec i'll get it to you in a min
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14:46<teage>titan8998, im in what will be the new livecd with no graphical interface
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14:47<teage>titan8998, i can invoke certain graphical interfaces with commands, i just need the command for the appearance gui
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14:48<Titan8990>teage, i have a feeling that if your looking to change themes via the command line, there is a config file that can do it
14:48<bja>teage: gnome-appeareance-properties %F
14:48<teage>titan8998, yes. that would be helpful too
14:49<teage>bja, thanx
14:49<Titan8990>teage, most IRC clients allow for tab-completion of nicks
14:49<teage>i will try that
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14:50<teage>hmmm. I wonder if i have to install it
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14:51<Titan8990>its likely part of the gnome meta package or the debian-dekstop task
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14:52<teage>I think you may be right titan8990
14:52<teage>thanx guys for the help
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14:55<Miilek>hallo, I have problem with wifi, after saturdays update...since then I can not to connect to internet via wifi... have please somebody some idea, how to handle it?
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14:58<Miilek>I really don't know, where can be a mistake - all settings seems correct, before update (I'm not sure, if was updated NetworkManager) works correctly and since update I'm allow to see all wireless access points around, but I can not to connect to my network.
14:59<Miilek>I have Debian Squeeze, kernel 32-trunk, KDE 4.3.4
15:00<cahoot>you wifi device is of interest
15:00<cahoot>your
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15:00<Miilek>I'm off topic?
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15:00<kop>Miilek: Not at all, but he needs info.
15:00<kop>Miilek: Like what your wifi card is.
15:01<Miilek>sorry then - can you tell me, where can I try to ask to help?
15:01<kop>Miilek: You can ask here.
15:01<cahoot>Miilek: what kind of wifi device ?
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15:02<Miilek>Intel PRO 3845 ABG/BG, driver iwl3945, proprietary driver is in version 2
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15:02<Miilek>I thing, that problem is somewhere in NetworkManager settings, but I really have not any idea, where the mistake can be
15:03<Miilek>*think :)
15:03<cahoot>Miilek: (as root) modprobe -r iwl3945; modprobe iwl3945; dmesg, paste the last 20 or so lines on a pastebin (not here)
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15:04<Miilek>I'm afraid, that I don't know, what pastebin you mean, I'm not ordinary user of IRC :(
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15:05<cahoot>!paste
15:05<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
15:06<Miilek>thanks, I try it, one moment
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15:09<Miilek>http://paste.debian.net/60417/
15:09<Miilek>success :)
15:09<cahoot>?
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15:10<cahoot>miracle?
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15:10<Miilek>:) no, I'm just glad, that pastebin works, it is first time, when I use it and I like it...
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15:11<cahoot>Miilek: ok - no error in the paste, the 'driver' loads fine, no complaints. So I'd guess it's network-manager making trouble
15:11<Miilek>I think so
15:11<Miilek>but where:(
15:12<cahoot>Miilek: does wlan0 show up in n-m?
15:13<Miilek>wlan0 is indicated up, when the LED is lighting, and that is, when starts n-m
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15:13<Miilek>and so, iwconfig wlan0 tells, that it is up, but unassociated
15:14<Miilek>I can show you what iwconfig shows, if it helps..
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15:24<Miilek>I'm with the wifi unhappy since last weekend, and since then I try to solve it, I try, what I can, and now I don't have any other idea, than ask here..
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15:27<teage>I have found it
15:27<teage>command= gnome-control-center
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15:30<Miilek>If it is message for me, I have KDE....:)
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15:31<teage>Miilek, i was in here about an hour ago looking for the command to start theme manager from command
15:32<teage>was just sharing my findings
15:32<Miilek>I'm just joking;) Sorry:)
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15:33<teage>no punt taken
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15:53<tuxcrafter>hi all just to come back to some topic that passed by today
15:53<tuxcrafter>http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/diffutils.html
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15:53<tuxcrafter>is it possble to get the above package info from the cli with a debian tool?
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15:54<tuxcrafter>not a cli webbroser or rss reader
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15:59<tuxcrafter>the version information in normaly get with rmadison
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15:59<tuxcrafter>but the news part would be nice to get with a command pacakgename
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16:11<sdk>Quick question.. I've noticed on /tmp and /var/tmp there is a 't' at the end of the rights column 'drwxrwxrwxt'. I am assuming that 't' means it is a 'tmp' directory? If so, how do I manually create a 'tmp' directory with the same privileges? I RTFM and nada, btw.
16:12<azeem>sdk: man chmod I think
16:12<azeem>the t stand for "sticky bit" I think
16:12<sdk>azeem: Beaut, I'll look, thanks.
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16:14<sdk>azeem: indeed, it is. Thanks much.
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16:21<tester>hello
16:22<tester>i have some problems with AV Linux
16:22<tester>.......
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16:23<EmleyMoor>On the Debian setup with the Gnome desktop on my laptop, or when accessing the laptop, tabs in the terminal get titled. This does not happen on my desktop. What am I missing?
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16:25<EmleyMoor>Ah, found out a bit
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16:26<tar23>hi i am new in ubuntu and i have a problem concerning installation process of new programs
16:26<EmleyMoor>Not a lot though
16:26<EmleyMoor>!ubuntu
16:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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16:26<tar23>who might help?
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16:32<tuxcrafter>i dont get it i purged diffutils installed it again
16:33<tuxcrafter>and i have my debian apt-cache policy on stable as default
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16:33<tuxcrafter>and it is installing the unstable version of diffutils
16:33<tuxcrafter>instead of the stable package
16:34<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/d26c4dac6
16:34<tuxcrafter>why is apt-cache policy telling there is no stable version
16:34<tuxcrafter>but http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/diffutils.html does say there is a stable version and so does rmadison
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16:37<tuxcrafter>he wait rmadison is also saying there is no stable version but only the source not a i386 build
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16:38<tuxcrafter>why is diffutils automaticly installed and is telling me it is dangeraus to remove
16:39<gdb>I don't see any package called diffutils in stable.
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16:40<gdb>It looks like you're referring to this, yes? http://packages.debian.org/source/stable/diffutils
16:41<gdb>If you referr to that page, you'll see that it indicates that the source package "diffutils" builds the binary package "diff". Why the discrepancy? I don't know.
16:41<tuxcrafter>http://debian.pastebin.com/d1424471a
16:42<gdb>Also, the diff package is marked "essential" so it can't be removed.
16:42<tuxcrafter>^ my apt config
16:42<tuxcrafter>yea but diff is in the stable repository
16:42<tuxcrafter>the diffutils is in unstable
16:42<tuxcrafter>and it seem to have installed diffutils automaticly
16:43<tuxcrafter>should i just purge diffutils with --force and keep the diff package installed
16:44<gdb>Ah, you're talking about diffutils 1:2.9-2 from unstable?
16:44<tuxcrafter>yes
16:44<tuxcrafter>i think i see what happend
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16:45<tuxcrafter>nope still dont see it
16:45<tuxcrafter>how can i see what programs depend on diffutils
16:46<tuxcrafter>or wat package pulled in it
16:46<gdb>apt-cache rdepends diffutils
16:46<tuxcrafter>Reverse Depends: diff
16:46<tuxcrafter>wierd
16:46<tuxcrafter>no other packages use it
16:46<gdb>What is the version of 'diff' you have installed?
16:46<gdb>the package? is it the stable one?
16:47<gdb>Which would be 2.8.1-12
16:47<tuxcrafter>dpkg --status diff shows Version: 2.8.1-12
16:47<dpkg>tuxcrafter: no idea
16:48<tuxcrafter>maybe debootstrab lenny pulled diffutils in
16:48<gdb>And that is the stable version...
16:48<tuxcrafter>and sinse it is only available in testing it installed the testing package
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16:49<tuxcrafter>and somehow the unstable version of the package was installed by an upgrade
16:49<tuxcrafter>nope i purged the diffutils
16:50<tuxcrafter>and with a apt-get upgrade it wants to install diffutils again
16:50<tuxcrafter>seems i cant get rid of the package without compete removing the source.list of unstable...
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16:52<tuxcrafter>even with the source.list of testing it wants to intall the package
16:52<tuxcrafter>but testing packages i can live with and dont bug my notification systems so much
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16:53<tuxcrafter>just dont get why it wanst to install the diffutils on the first place...
16:54<gdb>What does apt-cache policy diff and apt-cache policy diffutils tell you? Anything interesting?
16:54<gdb>And perhaps apt-cache policy diff-doc
16:54<gdb>(if you have that installed)
16:55<Titan8990>tuxcrafter, aptitude why diffutils
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16:56<tuxcrafter>Titan8990: gdb: http://debian.pastebin.com/d4619cba2
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17:00*tuxcrafter is doing apt-get install diffutils/testing and is removing the unstable sources.lost
17:00<tuxcrafter>just don't see why it wants to have diffutils installed....
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17:01<tuxcrafter>i only have 2 packages installed from testing all the rest is from stable
17:02<tuxcrafter>i alsways check the system with apt-show-versions | fgrep /testing
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17:08<sdk>quick question.. is this scenario possible: someone uploads a .jpg with executable code hidden in the image to a directory chmodded 777, then they go to that directory with a browser and click on the .jpg, could they execute code on the local system?
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17:10<azeem>sdk: what do you mean with "hidden in the image"?
17:10<sdk>Our web developer has asked me to create a directory that will allow users to upload images from the 'Net, and I cannot figure out how to allow the php script to write to a directory without having it 777. For some odd reason 766 will not work.
17:10<azeem>either it's an executable, or an image
17:11<locklace>sdk: if they exploit a hole in the jpeg library used to render it
17:11<retrospectacus>the 6 means the webserver cannot read the directory contents
17:11<sdk>azeem: I do not know, actually. I thought it was technically possible with steganography to hide executable code in an image...
17:11<locklace>sdk: also, you seem to be completely confused about the meaning of the executable bit for directories
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17:12<retrospectacus>code perhaps, but not code that the webserver or browser would execute
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17:12<sdk>locklace: please eddicate me, or tell me where to educate myself.
17:12<locklace>!permissions
17:12<dpkg>For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232>
17:13<sdk>retrospectacus: Ok, that helps.
17:13<diem>hi all .. does anyone knows who manages entries in /media ? (what creates them ? :D )
17:13<sdk>locklace: thanks!
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17:13<tuxcrafter>diem: hal mount i believe
17:13<locklace>retrospectacus: depends whether you consider code jumped to by the jpeg library used by the browser to be "code that the browser executes"
17:14<diem>tuxcrafter: because I've cleaned mine .. and now it complain that /media/usb0 doesn't exists (tried to restart hal and the whole pc .. didn't helped :( )
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17:15<tuxcrafter>diem: is your rule in fstab?
17:15<tuxcrafter>then you need to manually make it
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17:15<diem>tuxcrafter: nope. it's a usb hdd .. which until today's update (unstable) I could access the disk with a simple click on nautilus
17:15<diem>it would detect it based on hal events
17:16<diem>now it still detects .. but gives me a "Not authorized" :( .. lxsession (my session manager) looks broken on latest release, reverted to the one before upgrade :(
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17:17<retrospectacus>locklace: yes, I suppose. But the server should be fine.
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17:18<tuxcrafter>diem: ah that can also be some other nasty problem
17:19<tuxcrafter>i dont use gnome or nautilus
17:19<tuxcrafter>but you can do something evil and start nautilus with root permissions and see if it mounts the device then
17:19<tuxcrafter>then you know there is a policy for your using not working
17:20<diem>tuxcrafter: no :) .. it's this bloody policykit
17:21<diem>tuxcrafter: when calling the gnome app to check the policykit permissions I get a list with 4 entries only .. it was supposed to be several dozens :(
17:21<tuxcrafter>hmm policy is nasty
17:21<tuxcrafter>i never found a good doc to debug it
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17:21<tuxcrafter>i always use trial error stuff like removing it and reinstall
17:22<diem>but I was trying to look who manages and creates entries in /media .. since it was nice to have them created automatically containing the label of the FSes on hotplug .. now it doesn't work anymore
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17:23<locklace>sdk: one example among many, http://www.juniper.net/security/auto/vulnerabilities/vuln36712.html
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17:30<diem>tuxcrafter: sweet .. seems that this is my problem : https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24198 ... at least same error message on .xsession-errors
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17:45<gdb>I generally correct that by deleting (or renaming) the /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_Release file and then running 'aptitude update' again.
17:48<bja>gdb: I usually wait for someone to fix it, since i have the valid keys :
17:48<bja>)
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17:49<bja>gdb: anyway, it shouldn't happen and sometimes it is a minor mistake on the ftp signing process :)
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17:57<bja>gdb: how proficient are you with sshd?
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17:58<gdb>bja: It can happen if you have a poorly configured firewall somewhere (ie; on a corporate network). The issue went away with an MTU change on my network interface. What's your sshd question?
17:58<gdb>bja: Sorry for the slow response, I'm on a boring conference bridge. ;-)
17:59<bja>Special purposse key with ssh , i'll be checking the mtu, since my lap ran out of batt
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17:59<gdb>bja: I dropped mine from 1500 to 1492
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18:01<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>hi!
18:01<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>I have a question regarding packaging for lsb
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18:02<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>I am wondering if anyone has a simple example for how to create a lsb compliant package that would also work for debian
18:03<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>I am trying to package an open source tool written in C++ with autotools as the package system
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18:03<azeem>mib_qnxikd5ubu1h: lsb packages work on Debian
18:03<azeem>so figure out how to create an lsb package and you're set
18:04<azeem>unfortunately, we cannot help you with that
18:04<silencio>#debian-mentors
18:04<azeem>eh, no
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18:04<azeem>that is for .deb packages
18:05<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>azeem: I am also soliciting knowledge on drawbacks with different solutions. If it is better to just package separately for .deb and .rpm we will do that.
18:05<azeem>depends on your target audience
18:05<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>rosecompiler.org
18:06<azeem>it's open source?
18:06<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>our target audience is C/C++/java developers and high performance computing applications
18:06<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>yes
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18:06*bittin is away: I'm busy
18:06<azeem>then I suggest seperate packaging for Debian and RedHat
18:06<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>BSD licensed
18:06<azeem>bittin: please turn off noisy away
18:06<themill>bittin: please turn that off
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18:08<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>what is the advantage for separate packaging? Ideally we'd like to provide packages for compiling for source as well
18:08<azeem>compiling for source?
18:09<azeem>the advantage is that Debian or RedHat might directly ship your project
18:09<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>What we'd like to do is something like .deb.src for debian and redhat as well as binary packages
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18:10<azeem>right, that'd be part of the package creation process
18:11<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>Silencio mentioned debian-mentors. Do you know if there are mentors available that could help us with doing this the right way?
18:11<azeem>I don't know whether they are available
18:11<azeem>also, from the first look, rose looks like a rather complicated project?
18:12<azeem>do you need any bootstrapping etc.?
18:12<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>no, we don
18:12<silencio>mib: yes
18:13<silencio>I suggest subscribe to mail list
18:13<azeem>mib_qnxikd5ubu1h: however, #debian-mentors is for *helping*, it's not for finding people to do the work for you
18:13<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>we don't need to bootstrap
18:13<azeem>just saying
18:13<silencio>or irc if you prefer
18:13<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>we have 3 staff available here that can do the work
18:13<silencio>I support this,
18:14<azeem>mib_qnxikd5ubu1h: do they know about Debian packaging?
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18:14<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>azeem: no, unfortunately not. But they are all very experienced with the C/C++ linux development stack and get up to speed fast.
18:14<azeem>k
18:15<azeem>!rfp
18:15<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
18:15<azeem>you could request your project be packaged; however that does not guarantee it will actually be picked up by a Debian Developer
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18:18<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>dpkg: we don't mind doing the work ourselves. for now I think we just need an example for how to do it for an autotools project and maybe some guidance so that we do it the right way
18:18<dpkg>You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, mib_qnxikd5ubu1h
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18:19<azeem>dpkg is the channel bot
18:19<dpkg>azeem: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
18:20<themill>mib_qnxikd5ubu1h: if you already have autotooled the project, then creation of a .deb isn't so bad. The new maintainer's guide, developer's reference and policy should be on your reading pile at this stage: /msg dpkg nmg
18:21<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>azeem: our project already does a clean 'make dist', is organized in the ./lib ./bin structure, follows gnu coding standards, etc
18:21<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>azeem: so it should be straight forward
18:21<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>themill: yes, I think so as well.
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18:27<mib_qnxikd5ubu1h>azeem & themill & silence: thank you very much for you advice! I will check out the guide and #debian-mentors
18:27<themill>np. happy hunting
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18:33<cmyers>*sigh* has anyone done a dist-upgrade in unstable recently that can confirm xorg is working for them?
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18:34<Bacteria>I upgraded from lenny to squeeze about 2 days ago.
18:34<Bacteria>Had to play around a bit to get xorg to work.
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18:35<cmyers>I am using the proprietary nvidia driver which I also just upgraded, so there are a lot of variables here =(
18:35<valdyn>cmyers: read the log ?
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18:35<Bacteria>If you upgraded the kernel, you want to recompile the nvidia drivers?
18:36<Bacteria>My errors were usually that xorg couldn't find the driver or that there was no screen.
18:36<valdyn>!noscreensfound
18:36<dpkg>from memory, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem.
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18:37<valdyn>dpkg: noscreensfound =~ s/noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question.//
18:37<dpkg>that doesn't contain 'noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question.', valdyn
18:37<cmyers>valdyn: I read the log. screens are found, X starts up, but the screen stays black with just a cursor. I can move hte cursor but my window manager is not loaded
18:37<valdyn>dpkg: noscreensfound =~ s/dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question.//
18:37<dpkg>OK, valdyn
18:37<cmyers>there are no obvious errors in the log
18:37<Bacteria>Hmm.
18:37<cmyers>ctrl+alt+bksp doesn't kill X, I have to hard reboot
18:37<cmyers>virtual terminals don't work either
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18:37<valdyn>cmyers: go to a console, try "DISPLAY=:0 xterm", see if taht gives you that xterm in X
18:38<cmyers>valdyn: I tried, but couldn't get to a console.
18:38<cmyers>I guess I could try to ssh in from another box
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18:38<valdyn>cmyers: nvidia drivers break the console for me too, but X works ok
18:38<cmyers>my setup is a little complicated because I have 2 vid cards and 4 monitors
18:38<cmyers>but it was all working before upgrade
18:39<cmyers>I tried changing nvidida driver to vesa, and X won't load with that either
18:39<cmyers>not even for one monitor
18:39<Bacteria>Hmm.
18:39<cmyers>lemme try downgrading the driver / my kernel and see if either/both of those fixes me
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18:42<cmyers>the older nvidia driver finds errors with the 32-bit opengl libs which the newer one did not, perhaps their location moved.
18:42<cmyers>this is version 185.x persus 190.x
18:42<cmyers>versus*
18:43<valdyn>cmyers: debian changed 32-bit library locations, as did nvidia drivers, i dont know at which version.
18:43<cmyers>so I probably need hte newer drivers.
18:43<cmyers>or to pass some archaic flag to the nvidia installer.
18:43<cmyers>one of hte two.
18:43<cmyers>yeh, the old driver won't work now.
18:44<cmyers>I'm going to try downgrading my kernel then
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18:44<cmyers>I was on 2.6.32-amd64-trunk - dunno what the "trunk" means
18:45<cmyers>trying 2.6.31
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18:47<cmyers>bam, works
18:47<cmyers>ok, so something in 2.6.32 different from 2.6.31 breaks my xorg/nvidida drivers stuff.
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18:53<retrospectacus>!nvidia squeeze
18:53<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
18:53<retrospectacus>you have to recompile the nvidia driver when you upgrade the kernel, iirc
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19:08<cmyers>retrospectacus: yeh, I am aware. I was doing that (but not the debian way, using their installer script)
19:08<cmyers>my assertion (I think this is the case) is that the newest nvidia installer, or Xorg currently in sid, or both together, are incompatible with the 2.6.32-amd64-trunk kernel.
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19:14<Pupuser402>hi. the second partition on my drive is labled hda4 and i want it to be hda2. there are no partitions between 1 and 4. is this possible?
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19:16<shaggy_>ahhh wierdest dns issue ever!
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19:18<shaggy_>I set customer fedora based dns server up. works recursive uses opendns servers as forwards but i cannot apt-get update successfully with that dns server set as my primary but i can resolve other fdqn IE google.com ? i dont understand
19:18<shaggy_>everything works but apt-get update
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19:20<shaggy_>also ftp.debian.org resolves as ftp.debian.org.hsd1.ca.comcast.net -> 208.67.219.132
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19:21<shaggy_>help please?
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19:22<james_>Takes a minute for people trying to find the answer.
19:22<valdyn>shaggy_: all .org domains broken like that?
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19:26<shaggy_>yessir
19:26<shaggy_>just check
19:26<shaggy_>ed*
19:26<shaggy_>problem is with server
19:27<valdyn>shaggy_: try a different mirror
19:27<shaggy_>Id like to fix server haha
19:27<valdyn>shaggy_: debian seems to be using some kind of location based dns resolution - your mirror might be broken
19:28<valdyn>shaggy_: *my* ftp.debian.org is in .nl
19:29<valdyn>shaggy_: ftp.debian.org has address 130.89.149.226 , 226.149.89.130.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer kassia3.snt.utwente.nl
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19:29<shaggy_>its the server .. google.org wont resolve
19:29<valdyn>shaggy_: i see
19:29<shaggy_>server fail. log shows "network unreachable resolving 'googl.org/DS/IN':
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19:30<valdyn>shaggy_: googl.org has no ip ( or was that a typo ?)
19:31<shaggy_>typo sorry
19:31<shaggy_>i hate fedora
19:32<shaggy_>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.protocols.dns.bind/msg/cc01a56c8e459e16
19:33<shaggy_>this look instresting but i dont fully understand
19:33<shaggy_>related to dnssec.. i thought i disabled
19:35<shaggy_>fixed. i think
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19:36<shaggy_>WORKS!
19:36<bja>!next
19:36<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
19:36<james_>He doesn't actually have to LEAVE, per se.
19:36<james_>lol
19:36<shaggy_>i love debian because there config files arn't fucked like rhel/fedoras
19:37<james_>Megaf_: You caused a lot of trouble the other day. lol
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19:43<retrospectacus>lenny. qmail... http://pastebin.ca/1802154 - why is it saying excessive incoming connections when the service file says unlimited?
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19:43<retrospectacus>the service never does come back on- I have to restart xinetd
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20:04<mixter_>hi! after updating lenny to revision 4, released in late january, it seems like my mysql-server is slower. it takes several seconds running queries that (if remembered correctly) took only fractions of a second before. has anyone heard of such problems before? is there any way to downgrade the mysql-server for testing?
20:04<bja>!downgrade
20:04<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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20:06<mixter_>bja: thats true... maby downgrading isn't the best solution even to test :-/ i'll try running the database on another machine with an older mysql instead
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20:08<bja>mixter_: the time command is your friend
20:08<mixter_>bja: yes :-) it's great! thanks...
20:09<bja>np
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20:24<teage>Is there a debian program similar to the windows program imageburn?
20:25<bja>what does imageburn do?
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20:26<teage>it allows you to customize iso files within the iso file itself
20:26<teage>without the need to mount and extract and all that
20:26<petemc>no it doesnt
20:27<teage>if i try the linux way my end result is no bootable media found
20:27<teage>and
20:27<teage>yes
20:27<teage>it does
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20:27<petemc>it may provide the illusion of that, but iso9660 is read only, so it would have to copy it somewhere, then rebuild it
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20:28<cmyers>I don't think teage cares about the implementation, only the apparent functionality.
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20:28<teage>petemc, hmmm, well that may be true, regardless i am just trying to make my iso bootable
20:29<petemc>im sure mkisofs can do that
20:29<teage>i could prolly run imageburn under wine but i would rather use something native
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20:29<cmyers>teage: you are creating an ISO from a directory in your regular file system? or modifying an existing iso?
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20:30<teage>cmyers, its already modified so i guess from a directory would be the correct
20:30<cmyers>petemc is right that mkisofs should do everything you need, but if you want a GUI instead of messing with CLI options, I suggest K3b.
20:31<cmyers>I believe it can create a data disk from a directory and has a "bootable" checkbox or something along those lines.
20:31<teage>i have extracted the contents and done my modifying so all i want is to make it back to iso format
20:31<teage>i will try the mkisofs
20:31<teage>thanx you guys
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20:31<cmyers>no problemo =)
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21:20<LAci>sziasztok
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21:21<bja>!moo
21:21<bja>:(
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21:35<juken>When I go to install xserver-xorg-core, I know that I don't need and won't be using all of the "extra packages" that it lists. Is there a way to install only the mandatory packages?
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21:36<juken>I suppose the question goes for any application that I'd like to install, really.
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21:51<seeker>i can not get my facebook chat to work with my debian box what do I need to download
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21:58<abrotman>seeker: using what ?
21:59<seeker>abrotman: iceweasal
21:59<abrotman>you mean the in-browser chat ?
21:59<seeker>yes
21:59<abrotman>that flaky PoS ?
22:00<seeker>this is true but it works on my windows box so just thought i would try to make it work on this one also
22:00<abrotman>maybe try another browser
22:00<seeker>ok that raises another issue if i download firefox then how do i install
22:01<seeker>will apt-get install mozilla firefox do the trick
22:01<abrotman>it works in iceweasel here
22:01<abrotman>seeker: which version of debian ?
22:01<seeker>ok so what is different between here and there
22:01<seeker>2.6
22:02<seeker>how much hd does 5 take
22:02<abrotman>2.6 is not a version of debian
22:02<seeker>lenny then
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22:02<abrotman>you could try epiphany or konqueror
22:03<seeker>ok thanks
22:03<BobHartge>is it a java app?
22:03<seeker>not sure
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22:04<BobHartge>might check and see if java is enabled.
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22:08<BobHartge>you may need to install a java run time package if it is a java applet.
22:12<seeker>bobhartge: how do i do that
22:14<abrotman>!install java
22:14<dpkg>For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>.
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22:24<BobHartge>abrotman: thanks I was looking for the info I used.
22:25<seeker>ok thanks guys
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22:30<shaggy_>if i am running sid and a want a snownews rss reading deb only avialbe for lenny would it be a bad idea to download deb and install anyway?
22:31<shaggy_>anybody?
22:32<cmyers>shaggy_: a lenny deb *might* work on sid
22:32<gsimmons>shaggy_: You probably want to be using newsbeuter instead, as mentioned in the package's removal request (Debian bug #468778).
22:32<cmyers>it just isn't guarenteeed
22:32<cmyers>also, that.
22:32<shaggy_>gsimmons . good call i will look into it
22:32<shaggy_>also for fun : WORKS!
22:32<shaggy_>WORKS!
22:33<shaggy_>no "another happy customer leaves the building?"
22:34<kmap>!next
22:34<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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22:58<itsShaggy>Its shaggy_ again haha srry to annoy you guys but irssi work
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23:33<prem>hi..
23:33<prem>any autorun software application is there in debian..?
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23:33<prem>I couldnt find one in squeeze..
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23:35<quietman>What sort of autorun software application?
23:36<prem>quietman, on inserting a new audio/video cd.,a prompt for askign "what to do?"
23:37<prem>is any such package is there for nautilus..?
23:38<quietman>That depends what desktop environment you're using, but in Gnome and KDE, yes.
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23:39<prem>quietman, am asking for gnome
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23:41<prem>whats the package for autorun in gnome..?any idea
23:42<quietman>Sorry, haven't used gnome for a while. I would expect there to be something in the settings menus, maybe "preferred applications" or the like?
23:43<doobiean>i think it's sessions
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23:46<quietman>Just found an old thread (2008) pointing someone at Control Center -> Look and Feel -> File Management -> Media
23:47<lostin>When running this "daniel@my-pos:~$ gpg -d /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg" I get this "gpg: decrypt_message failed: unexpected data" This file has not been modified in anyway. Any ideas?
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23:48<prem>quietman, yeah you are correct..thanks
23:49<doobiean>quietman, it's sessions - under preferences - although could be wrong, i'm not :) - i'm using e17 now though - i could be called session manager
23:49<jar>e17 is still being developed?
23:49<jar>wow
23:51<doobiean>for lenny, add deb http://packages.enlightenment.org/debian lenny main extras to your sources.list
23:52<vantage>Hi, I'm booted using kernel 2.6.29-2 right now and my raid 1, lvm2 root partition is mounted correctly and shows up under dmsetup, however, none of the lvm2 tools show any output. Any idea why that is?
23:52<vantage>pvscan comes up empty, as does lvscan, and pvdisplay
23:52<jar>doobiean: I'm just surprised raster hasn't thrown away the current e17 backend.
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23:52<vantage>but dmsetup ls shows the mounted lvm device
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23:54<doobiean>jar, yea i like it better than anything - although the file manager is weird - so i use thunar alot
23:54<jar>doobiean: Well, you do know that there was a completed e17 back in like 2002, right? :P
23:55<jar>then raster was like
23:55<jar>HMM NAH
23:55<jar>and started over
23:55<jar>EFM was neat, though
23:55<jar>:[
23:55<jar>i liked that version of e17 because it was more like e16
23:56<doobiean>i think its a work in progress, they add stuff and throw some stuff away
23:56<jar>well
23:56<jar>ive followed e17 since before the "e" directory in the e17 svn server was buildable
23:57<jar>i think the libs they push out are bitchin and all
23:57<jar>but E as a desktop has come and gone for me
23:57<jar>i'm an xfce man now
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