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00:10<Glinuxin>hola
00:10<JustRob>Aside from pure debian cut down by hand, which debian based distros are supposed to be the most lightweight?
00:11<Glinuxin>alguien habla español
00:11<sney>everything debian-based has more crap in it than debian
00:11<sney>if you want something lightweight install the base system and work your way up from there
00:11<sney>!es
00:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:11<JustRob>That's what I figured.
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00:12<sney>the base system - aka what installs if you try to use the netinst without a network, or don't select any tasks - is very tiny.
00:12<sney>it doesn't even have less
00:12<JustRob>I've been meaning to customize a personal package list for my needs. It's just so daunting a task.
00:13<snogglethorpe>JustRob: well, a basic install is actually pretty minimal
00:13<JustRob>I know I can cut down a stock kernel by a shitton per box I have it on.
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00:14<snogglethorpe>JustRob: it won't put in all that crap unless you actually tell it to do so
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00:14<sney>the debian kernel is modular and a lot of the modules are in separate packages, it's not a big space saver to roll your own
00:15<JustRob>Oh I know, I've just always wanted to be able to say I put something together myself, if only by package selection.
00:15<sney>sounds like the way I do installs
00:15<snogglethorpe>sney: hmm, that's not true ime -- the deb kernels typically come with a _huge_ selection of drivers /lib/modules...
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00:16<snogglethorpe>sney: building your own lets you only pick the ones you need, which is an enormous savings in many cases
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00:16<snogglethorpe>(after all the current kernels take like 80MB on disk)
00:16<JustRob>Put together an image disc with only exactly what I need for a base install depending on what I use that machine for.
00:16<snogglethorpe>(a custom kernel probably around 5MB)
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00:17<JustRob>I have this one older laptop that I just love the feel and size of. The keyboard is pretty decent on it to. I use that machine for absolutely nothing but basic distraction free text entry. Wouldn't need much more than bare minimum plus vi
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00:18<JustRob>Part of me has a masochistic desire to test the claim that we can still get a functional system onto a 486 with 8mb ram
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00:20<paket>hi
00:20<paket>hi
00:21<paket>how to enable sound?
00:21<paket>alsa driver to function
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00:28<JustRob>Any opinions on Linux From Scratch?
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00:29<Nemoder>a fun way to learn about linux. a terrible way to maintain a usable system
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00:30<goodger>I concur totally with Nemoder
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00:31<JustRob>I think I'm looking for the fun way to learn part more than the usable system. I figure at the least it will teach me what I need to look at when I start stripping down a base distro for myself.
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00:32<adb>JustRob, try "buildroot" ..
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00:33<JustRob>I don't need to go that small and targeted
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00:38<adb>mine lay on ~600 megs , X included
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00:40<paket>does any one know how to enable sound mepis 8? alsa driver misfunction or sthg
00:40<sney>!mepis
00:40<dpkg>MEPIS is a live CD distribution based on Debian Lenny (as of version 8.0). SimplyMEPIS and antiX are not supported in #debian. http://www.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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00:41<paket>sound device is sthg HDA intel IC7,,,after installing updated drivers no sound whatsoever...
00:44<alvarezp>Hello, does anybody know of a program to allow others to see my screen and to hear my microphone at the same time? Like an online conference system in a LAN.
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00:46<Nemoder>alvarezp: perhaps a combination of vnc and mumble?
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00:47<goodger>alvarezp: you'll want to combine VNC and, e.g., Ekiga; I know of no program that combines all this functionality
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00:49<alvarezp>Nemoder: goodger: Mumble sounds good. I wanted to avoid VNC, but it is actually fine for this.
00:49<alvarezp>thanks guys
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00:50<Nemoder>alvarezp: I'd recommend x11vnc to share an active desktop instead of a separate vncserver
00:51*alvarezp reads about x11vnc.
00:53<sney>doesn't gnome-meeting have some kind of screen sharing functionality
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00:54<alvarezp>sney: that would be Ekiga... and as far as I remember, it does not.
00:54<sney>hmm
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03:42<sickly>?
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03:51<grx>hi
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03:59<StarkD>how do I set default browser for .desktop-URL-files? I can't find a "open with..." option
04:00<StarkD>Preferred Applications, "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and "update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser" does not help
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04:02<goodger>StarkD: right-click, hit "properties" and select "open with"
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04:05<ikonia>test
04:05<StarkD>goodger: there isn't any "open with" in properties
04:06<goodger>StarkD: are you on GNOME?
04:06<goodger>you need to be right-clicking a .desktop-URL file, if that wasn't clear
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04:08<StarkD>goodger: yep I am using gnome and I right-clicked on a .desktop file
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04:09<StarkD>running Lenny vanilla
04:09<goodger>StarkD: then there should be a tab entitled "Open With" in the Properties dialogue
04:10<StarkD>goodger: well there isn't :P not on mine or my mothers computer
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04:11<goodger>StarkD: what tabs are there?
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04:11<StarkD>goodger: Basic, Emblems, Permissions, Notes, Link
04:12<goodger>StarkD: you have right-clicked a directory by mistake
04:12<cahoot>poke around in gconf-editor?
04:12<StarkD>I dragged and dropped a bookmark from iceweasel to the desktop. it shows as a .desktop file in terminal. that could be the problem?
04:13<goodger>one second
04:14<goodger>ah.
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04:14<goodger>yes, this is treated as a special case by Nautilus
04:15<goodger>it will open in whatever web browser is selected in Preferred Applications
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04:15<StarkD>well no it doesn't, that is the problem I have
04:15<goodger>what browser does it open in?
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04:16<StarkD>epiphany
04:16<goodger>I hate to say "works for me", but it does
04:16<priya>hi all
04:16<goodger>and you selected Iceweasel in Preferred Applications?
04:16<goodger>hello priya
04:16<StarkD>goodger: hm ok, it does not work for me on two different computers
04:17<goodger>StarkD: are you certain that you selected Iceweasel in Preferred Applications?
04:17<StarkD>goodger: yes it is set to iceweasel. it works from all other links I have tried so far
04:17<priya>i need help instaling driver for a serial comport addon board to my pc
04:17<goodger>you may be required to log out and back in (or at least kill and restart the nautilus process) before it will take effect
04:17<priya>i have the cd i have the linux folder but how do i install drivers in linux lenny server
04:18<StarkD>goodger: I have tried fixing this for several days :)
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04:19<nick84>ciao
04:20<nick84>list
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04:22<goodger>StarkD: paste the output of gconftool-2 --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command
04:22<StarkD>goodger: gnome-www-browser %s
04:22<priya>any help anyone
04:22<goodger>StarkD: so the database thinks you want epiphany after all
04:23<StarkD>goodger: but I have set "update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser" to iceweasel?
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04:24<StarkD>priya: I don't know a thing about drivers, but are there any .deb files?
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04:24<goodger>StarkD: execute:
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04:25<goodger>gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command --type string 'iceweasel -new-tab "%s"' && gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/https/command --type string 'iceweasel -new-tab "%s"'
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04:27<StarkD>goodger: that changed the former command to iceweasel -new-tab "%s" but the file still opens up in epiphany. should I log out and in?
04:27<goodger>StarkD: yes
04:27<StarkD>okay brb
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04:32<StarkD>goodger: I even rebooted, same thing :/
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04:33<goodger>StarkD: what is the URL you are trying to execute?
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04:33<StarkD>goodger: just some random idg.se
04:33<goodger>mmm
04:34<goodger>try running: gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/about/command --type string 'iceweasel -new-tab "%s"' && gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/unknown/command --type string 'iceweasel -new-tab "%s"' && gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/applications/browser/exec --type string 'iceweasel'
04:34<goodger>apart from that, I cannot help, I am afraid
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04:41<StarkD>goodger: gah no change... I give up :P
04:41<goodger>very annoying :/
04:42<StarkD>goodger: yeah, a bit weird. but thanks for your help
04:42<goodger>either you're doing something really fundamentally improperly or your system has hit quite a large bug
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04:46<StarkD>well both of them are just debian lenny with default settings really
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04:46<StarkD>i have two backports for adobe flash and skype but that is it
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04:48<StarkD>is this worth to report as a bug?
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04:50<StarkD>msg dpkg report bug
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04:50<StarkD>ops
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05:53<mix22891>hello. no bluetooth program work on my computer
05:54<mix22891>any help?
05:54<mix22891>computer*
05:59<goodger>mix22891: are you using Debian squeeze/testing?
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06:40<StarkD>I get a "SMTP send failure: (110, 'Connection timed out')"
06:40<StarkD>when using reportbug
06:40<StarkD>can I just e-mail the report instead?
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06:46<Gathond>yes, SMTP is email
06:46<Gathond>so it is just trying to email it, putting the same content in your email client and sending it to the same address should be fine
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06:51<StarkD>Gathond: OK good. What should I write as subject?
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06:52<paco>hi all, is this an help channel? i have some troubles with my cpu scaling
06:53<Gathond>StarkD: doesn't reportbug produce that as output as well?
06:53<Gathond>paco: it is so long as you are running debian, it is rather dead in here today though
06:55<StarkD>Gathond: ah indeed it does. thanks
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06:56<chiku>which is the recommended package manager apt-get or aptitude?
06:57<Japsu>chiku: aptitude (since lenny)
06:57<paco>Gathond: maybe my english is not so good but i don't understand if you can help me
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06:58<goodger>paco: you should ask your question, and if someone can help, they will do; but there are not many people here
06:58<Fill23>how to mount ntfs partitions? and how to setup debian so it mount this partitions on startup?
06:58<goodger>!tell Fill23 about ntfs-3g
06:58<paco>ok thanks.
06:58<goodger>paco: you could also try !debian-it, but this will be even more empty
06:58<goodger>sorry, #debian-it
06:59<Fill23>Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. How do i ask this bot this question?
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07:00<goodger>Fill23: /msg dpkg user accessible ntfs
07:00<Fill23>thx
07:02<paco>My problem is that no cpufreq driver seems to work with my cpu (intel SU2300); hp mail support (the pc is a HP notebook) said me that my cpu frequency scaling is based on C states and voltage management is realized thanks to speedstep technology
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07:03<paco>(^obviously no Linux support is provided by HP)
07:03<azeem>paco: why obviously?
07:03<goodger>paco: it appears Linux doesn't support frequency scaling for the Celeron line, unfortunately
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07:04<Fill23>goodger this link "http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage" from bot messege redirects to "http://www.tuxera.com/#usage" and it seems proprietary product cause they sugest me to buy it.
07:05<paco>azeem: because HP offers only support for Windows7 (the builtin OS for that notebook)
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07:05<paco>goodger: So dou you think I have no hope?
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07:06<gsimmons>Fill23: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage
07:06<goodger>Fill23: you needn't download it from there, just install with APT
07:06<goodger>paco: it's possible you can follow this: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_SpeedStep_working_on_P4-class-Celeron_based_ThinkPads
07:06<goodger>but it is rather complex
07:07<goodger>also, I am unsure that it applies to your processor
07:07<azeem>the SU2300 is not P4-based, though I think?
07:07<goodger>indeed
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07:08<paco>azeem: i think so
07:08<Fill23>so by default i can't mount ntfc on debian? if yes will this command be sufficient "aptitude install ntfs-3g"?
07:09<Fill23>to install driver i mean not to mount
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07:09<goodger>Fill23: you can mount it read-only with the "ntfs" filesystem, but you need to install the ntfs-3g package to support read/write
07:10<goodger>and yes, that command will install the package
07:10<paco>goodger: modprobe does not load p4_clockmod module (it says "no suck device"), i think compiling it statically into the kernel does not solve my problem
07:10<goodger>you then need to mount the filesystem with -t ntfs-3g, as documented elsewhere
07:11<goodger>paco: well, if you are using a Celeron, then you may be without hope here
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07:12<Fill23>when i try to mount ntfs partition in default Gnome file browser, it show an error in wich it tells me somthing about wrong parameters of "mount" command
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07:12<Fill23>right now i jst want ot be able read files from partition
07:12<paco>do you know why celeron is not supported by Linux? are they working on it or they have no plans?
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07:14<Fill23>want to be able to* sry
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07:14<goodger>paco: it's possible that Intel has not properly documented it for that processor
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07:16<paco>goodger: damn, so i am forced to use windows :S
07:16<goodger>paco: if you want to use frequency scaling, yes
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07:19<paco>goodger: this is a notebook designed for high powersaving, using it without frequency scaling it is like waste my money. Next time I'll look better before buying a PC
07:19<goodger>paco: it is unfortunate, yes
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07:20<paco>goodger: ok, thanks a lot for your help
07:21<goodger>paco: that's OK
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07:39<Fill23>goodger: If i have 'rus' locale do i have to change "/dev/hda3 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.utf8 0 0" defaults.locale to ru.RU ?
07:40<goodger>defaults,locale=ru_RU.utf8 is probably most sensible, yes
07:41<goodger>though I imagine leaving locale unset will be OK...
07:41<Fill23>ok thx
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07:51<Fill23>ntfs-3g throws this "Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use" i've shutdown windows via it's gui menu without any errors
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07:55<petemc>Fill23: you should be able to force it
07:55<Fill23>is that okay to use force option?
07:55<Blobben>Every time I compile a new kernel from kernel.org, even if it's the exact same version as the one i'm using. It always freezes on the line "Loading, please wait..." when booting the kernel from GRUB. Anyone have any ideas?
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07:56<Fill23>i'm kinda newbie in this and don't want to lose data on partition i'm trying to use
07:56<Blobben>I've tried both the Debian-way and compiling it the traditional way.
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07:58<locklace>Blobben: maybe your kernel config is wrong or you messed up the initrd setup
07:59<Blobben>locklace: Shouldn't be, I didn't have do create an initrd when using make-kpkg.
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07:59<Gathond>that should only occur after, are you sure the kernel is compiled for the right CPU architecture
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08:00<Blobben>Gathond: Hmm, not 100%. I didn't get the option to pick architecture when downloading.
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08:03<Gathond>its not when downloading
08:03<Gathond>it is when you configure it before compiling it
08:03<Gathond>you DID configure it ... right
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08:03<Gathond>I'm pretty sure the default .config (if there is one) won't work on much
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08:04<Blobben>ah, I copied the old working .config.
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08:04<Gathond>from /boot i.e. from a debian kernel?=
08:04<Blobben>yes
08:04<Gathond>then you probably do need an initrd as locklace suggested
08:04<Gathond>as that is configured to need one
08:05<Gathond>although I would expect it to go further then loading
08:05<Blobben>Actually, I got the FSM mount error message earlier today. And I created an initrd and that was fixed. Now the old problem when it freezes on loading occurs.
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08:08<locklace>if you're going to compile the kernel, you should know how to configure and set it up
08:09<Blobben>Yes, that's why i'm confused. It's not even a error message, it just freezes on Loading.
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08:12<locklace>my advice, learn how to configure the kernel, and build in the disk and fs drivers you need to find and mount your root fs so you don't need an initrd
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08:19<Blobben>locklace: I'm getting a little confused, isn't root fs mounted automatically? And isn't the fs drivers already built with the kernel as long as you don't remove them?
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08:21<Gathond>Blobben: they usually reside in the initrd (if there is one) or in the kernel itself
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08:22<locklace>if you use a distro config like the one for debian kernels, all the block and fs drivers are built as modules and the initrd must be loaded so that the necessary modules for your fs and hw can be detected and loaded at boot
08:22<debuse>i all, i'need help with grep. I'm trying to grep all lines starting with a number followed by a dot (ex. 19. ). Can anyone help me ?
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08:23<locklace>the right way to do it if you're building your own kernel is to compile the block and fs drivers you need into your kernel, so that an initrd is not required to find and mount the root fs
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08:24<Blobben>ok, i'll try that. Thanks.
08:25<locklace>debuse: man grep. grep -E '^[0-9]+\.' <file> is one way
08:25<samaira>i have some unmet depencies packages in my system, can somebody please guide me about how to remove them. link : http://wardhan.pastebin.com/d6df36d68
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08:27<locklace>samaira: how did you end up in this state? what version of debian? pastebin your sources.list and the output of 'aptitude update && aptitude -s safe-upgrade'
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08:32<bittin>do this package work http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/wmii-hg_hg2550_i386.deb
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08:35<debuse>locklace: thanks how can i tell grep to also filter all lines containing a star "*"? if i pipe a new grep it filter on the previous grep and not to the whole file. (P.S. I hate regex)
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08:36<locklace>debuse: yeah, just pipe the output of the first grep to "grep -v \*"
08:37<locklace>debuse: but i'm not going to walk you through basic regular expressions. if you need them you should learn them.
08:38<debuse>locklace: ok. thank you !
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08:41<samaira>locklace || sources.list : http://wardhan.pastebin.com/d4621a754. apt-get update : http://wardhan.pastebin.com/d33acfcef
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08:42<samaira>my debian version : 5.0.4. i am using stable and backports
08:43<locklace>samaira: looks fine to me
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08:43<samaira>ok
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08:57<Fill23>why when i'm start a terminal it's not getting focus, like if browser is open and i start terminal focus still is on browser and i have to use alt+tab
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09:01<davide1989>ciao a tutti
09:02<davide1989>qualcuno mi può aiutare?
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09:02<stuckey>judd: versions clive
09:02<judd>clive -- etch-backports: 0.4.14-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.4.18-1; lenny-backports: 2.2.5-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.2.8-1; squeeze: 2.2.8-1
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09:05<goodger>!debian-it
09:05<dpkg>methinks #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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09:27<agustin>ein? a que servidor me conectado?
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09:29<ufotech>Hi. Having issues here installing vmware-server2.0.2 on lenny
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09:30<ufotech>compiling modules fails with:"...slight difference in the kernel config.."
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09:31<agustin>... compare de version of gcc instaled with version of kernel compiled
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09:33<ufotech>I fixed that already by linking gcc to gcc4.1 and got much further.
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09:33<ufotech>now I get this:
09:34<ufotech>insmod: error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config7/vsock.o': -1 Unknown symbol in module
09:34<ufotech>There is probably a slight difference in the kernel configuration between the
09:34<ufotech>set of C header files you specified and your running kernel. You may want to
09:34<ufotech>rebuild a kernel based on that directory, or specify another directory.
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09:35<agustin>i have similar problem with de ati drivers in debian lenny :(
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09:36<ufotech>That points to the kernel-config then, rather than the driver
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09:37<ufotech>I wonder if I installed the wrong header-package...
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09:37<agustin>ufotech, maybe
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09:40<ufotech>how difficult is it to step back to kernel 2.6.18-6-686 on a running system? It all worked there
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09:42<ufotech>can I change to an older kernel just by installing some packages - or do I need to reinstall the whole system?
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09:43<locklace>you definitely don't want to attempt that if you're on lenny or later
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09:44<ufotech>What else if it worked perfectly on 2.6.18-6-686 and it doesn't now!
09:44<rascal999>using xrandr, how do I use my CRT monitor as a second monitor?
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09:46<akarito>Would it be a Mac problem or ATI problem with resolutions?
09:47<akarito>On ATI Rage 128.
09:47<ufotech>More precisely: On the 2.6.18 I had vmwarServer1.0.x running smoothly
09:48<ufotech>On the 2.6.26 it would not compile at all. Then I tried vmwareServer2.0.
09:48<ufotech>That would work half way throug but failed with the vsock module
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09:58<akarito>I also have the same problem with an ATI that has no name (that I can find) on i386, fglrx doesn't support it, so I'm figuring it's a problem with the Open Source driver that I can't get a higher res.
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10:17<rascal999>xrandr --output LVDS --auto --left-of VGA sets up the screens but the taskbars move over to CRT, how do I keep them on laptop screen?
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10:34<jjsg82> hi to all,
10:34<jjsg82>i made a full install of kde from debian sources "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main" with aptitude install kde-full, and i installed fine, but when startkde show me and error "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to the X server", thanks and sorry for my poor english
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10:37<locklace>jjsg82: no clue about kde, but guessing from that message that "startkde" is something you should stick at the end of your ~/.xinitrc and then start x with "startx"
10:39<cahoot>(or install kdm|gdm)
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10:57<usuario>hello?
10:57<usuario>hola
10:58<usuario>syllis
10:58<usuario>coucleysis
10:58<usuario>sillys
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11:00<giuseppe>ciao
11:00<usuario>adios
11:00<giuseppe>!list
11:00<dpkg>giuseppe: VATTENE VIA
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11:00<giuseppe>perchè
11:00<giuseppe>cosa ho fatto?
11:01<giuseppe>rispondete e poi vado
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11:03<giuseppe>dpkg: sto attendendo una tua risposta
11:03<dpkg>giuseppe: bugger all, i dunno
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11:05<giuseppe>bugger all
11:05<giuseppe>adios
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11:18<mercutio22>Hello.. I am trying to install debian to a netbook. I used netbootin to create a usb installer from the netinst image. The installation process fails to find a cdrom drive and wont proceed. Any suggestions on how to proceed?
11:19<ansgar>mercutio22: There is a hd-media boot image that will look for an .iso image.
11:19<mercutio22>ansgar: hmm good to know. Will look into it. Thanks
11:20<ansgar>mercutio22: See also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
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11:37<hsb2>WINDOWS FOR EVER
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11:37<locklace>!ops hsb
11:37<hsb2>WINDOWS FOR EVER
11:37<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: hsb
11:37<hsb1>WINDOWS FOR EVER
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11:39<Rollout>question: I am trying to install the Nvidia drivers instead of the NV driver (due to choppy video), I am running squeeze. It fails to install via the debian way (apt), I found several articles on this, however not found a working solution. Anyone know a good tutorial for this? or a easy trick?
11:39<themill>!nvidia squeeze
11:39<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.
11:39<Rollout>ty themill
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11:44<Fill23>how to this line "/dev/sda1 /media/OS defaults,locale=ru_RU.utf8 0 0" add two options: "-t ntfs-3g" and "-o force"?
11:45<Fill23>line from fstab file
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12:08<brlancer>Anyone use links2? I've set the default background color to white but it still comes up gray; I can't get it to respect any change to "background_color" - anyone else have success?
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12:22<MrStarbuck>just a quick question: Can anybody a suggest a simple and efficient graphical FTP client for X?
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12:23<Torsten_W>MrStarbuck, gftp
12:23<MrStarbuck>is filezilla any good?
12:24<MrStarbuck>Mh i think gftp will do thanks
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12:37<oqlt>!cups setup
12:37<dpkg>cups setup is, like, "aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
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12:46<lore>ubuntu italy?
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12:59<chiku>how I can find the pgp key for this repository ? http://people.debian.org/~ssm/puppet/unstable/
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13:39<Andrewx>I need help with java.
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13:39<Andrewx>Is this supported here?
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13:41<hasfel>hola
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13:46<hasfel>ola
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13:54<bolt>ola
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13:59<mercutio22>damn... I can't install debian to my netbook because my ethernet device is not recognized and my wireless connection is wpa. The installer will not accept a wpa key
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14:58<Teow>What is a good benchmark tool for looking at CPU/FS/RAM performance and comparing them to other servers?
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15:07<mercutio22>hi, I just installed debian and kde, but I don't see a network manager app. What do I need to install?
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15:08<matjas>mercutio22: which wersion of debian? stable/testing/sid?
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15:10<matjas>mercutio22: in testing/sid there is package knetworkmanager
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15:10<gsimmons>mercutio22: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#KDE
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15:11<mercutio22>matjas: something must be wrong with my sources. No such package is found. would you care to paste me your sources file?
15:12<matjas>so you have probably stable aka lenny
15:12<matjas>in lenny there is a package named network-manager-kde
15:12<meowcats>why does "deleting" in thunar take so long?
15:13<matjas>mercutio22: you can also follow gsimmons link
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15:15<chealer>matjas: the binary is called knetworkmanager. and it's no more in testing/unstable.
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15:16<mercutio22>chealer, what replaces it?
15:16<gsimmons>s/binary/source/
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15:16<matjas>chealer: oh you're right, sorry :]
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15:19<mercutio22>So am I left with no app to connect to wifi?
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15:19<matjas>mercutio22: http://packages.debian.org/sid/network-manager-kde
15:20<mercutio22>matjas: I am using testing though
15:20<xwd>I enabled Splashy without enabling a desktop environment to start before login, so the splash screen keeps me from logging in.
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15:20<xwd>Is there some sort of key combo I can press to make Splashy disappear and show the console?
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15:22<matjas>mercutio22: I think you can safely install it from unstable
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15:22<mercutio22>matjas: but I would have to solve dependencies by hand right?
15:23<matjas>mercutio22: I think not sonce testing and unstable share the same network-manager version
15:23<maria>ola eres astronauta?¿?¿
15:23<matjas>mercutio22: you should double check on this
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15:24<mercutio22>matjas: no... dpkg asks for other packages
15:24<mercutio22>crap
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15:24<matjas>mercutio22: you should install it using apt-get or aptitude
15:24<matjas>mercutio22: after adding unstable repo to your sources.list
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15:25<ml|>!tum
15:25<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
15:25<mercutio22>matjas: exactly, I will be forced to use unstabvlew
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15:25<matjas>mercutio22: or you can try apt-get -f install after dpkg
15:25<mercutio22>I'd like to remain in testing
15:25<mercutio22>=P
15:25<mercutio22>alright
15:25<matjas>mercutio22: ok, try apt-get -f install
15:26<ml|>mercutio22: follow what dpkg just said to use sid and testing
15:26<xwd>Can I make a live disk and use it to edit my grub config file and disable splashy?
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15:29<ladoga|banaani>just remember to comment out unstable from your /etc/apt/sources.list after installing it and run apt-get update
15:29<matjas>mercutio22: you can also try to install wpa-gui and run your wireless setup using wpa_supplicant and ifupdown
15:30<ladoga|banaani>i too fetch some packages fro unstable now and then
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15:30<ladoga|banaani>but otherwise keep on using testing
15:31<ml|>ladoga|banaani: if you follow what dpkg said there is no need too
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15:31<ml|>comment out unstable from sources.list that is
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15:32<xwd>So there is no way to make Splashy show the console if it hangs at the end because I don't have a window manager set to start up before login?
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15:32<ladoga|banaani>ok...thanks
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15:33<ml|>np, but make to follow it exactly
15:33<ml|>*sure
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15:56<stian1979>Something went bad today, upgraded from lenny to squeeze and I lost the network manager. What package should I try to install?
15:57<stian1979>I have tryed apt-get install knetworkmanager, apt-get install network-manager-kde but they don't find a candidate
15:57<sney>apt-cache search network-manager
15:57<sney>or just use wicd, it's better
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16:00<stian1979>I think the network manager package is installed, but the kde gui is missing
16:00<ml|>judd versions network-manager-kde
16:00<judd>network-manager-kde -- etch: 1:0.1-2; lenny: 1:0.2.2-2; sid: 1:0.9~svn1088283-1
16:01<gsimmons>stian1979: knetworkmanager's network-manager-kde doesn't work with NetworkManager 0.8 (Debian bug #569799). Its replacement will eventually migrate from unstable, use something else in the meantime.
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16:01<stian1979>wifi radar or wicd?
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16:09<bremner>I'd recommend wicd
16:09<jpinx-eeepc>yea - wicd "just works" even in my 901 ;)
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16:18<pos>I can recommend using network-manager-gnome in KDE, it works quite well and docks in the tray as expected, until kdenetworkmanager is upgraded
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16:34<xwd>How can I set up a window manager to start up at boot?
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16:37<Zhila>xwd: typical setup would be to install a desktop manager, installing one should automatically set itself up to run at start
16:37<Bacteria>xwd, do you mean something like gdm?
16:37<Bacteria>Yeah.
16:37<xwd>I installed Xfce4, but it doesn't start up at boot.
16:38<xwd>I need to log in and manually type "startxfce4" to get it to run.
16:38<Zhila>xwd: other than that, you'd have to edit init scripts to start X plus your desired window manager for the desired run level
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16:39<Zhila>xwd: more than likely, Xfce4 doesn't specify a desktop manager in it's dependency, so you'll have to install one yourself
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16:41<runev>Anyone know if getting one of those USB to VGA adapters to work with X is relatively easy or a real pain? Considering buying one to get dual monitors on my thinkpad
16:41<Zhila>xwd: http://packages.debian.org/sid/x-display-manager those are a list of desktop managers you can use
16:42<xwd>I set up one of those to load at start?
16:42<Zhila>yes
16:42<xwd>Okay, thanks.
16:42<Zhila>as long as they work with x-session-manager (which I'm assuming they all do) it should work with Xcfe4
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16:44<Zhila>xwd: actually, it appears only kdm and gdm have dependency on x-session-manager... the other three might require extra setup work...
16:44<xwd>How hard would it be to get slim working?
16:45<xwd>Or should I just go with kdm or gdm?
16:45<Zhila>I've never used slim myself...
16:45<Zhila>I'd say, best to go with gdm, since xfce4 is GTK based, that will minimize dependencies
16:46<ml|>I don't think slim is still being developed
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16:49<xwd>I just tried installing gdm and it killed X and dumped me into the console.
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16:49<gsimmons>ml|: It has a new maintainer (who is also the Debian package maintainer).
16:50<xwd>It looks like the console is still busy, though.
16:50<ml|>gsimmons: ah, good to know
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16:56<xwd>Great, gdm does exactly what I want it to.
16:56<xwd>Thanks.
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17:18<bighornram>I have NO speaker icon in squeeze but I have sound! Don't find anything on google but no sound issues.
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17:20<xwd>which window manager are you using?
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17:20<bighornram>metacity
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17:22<bighornram>i just was able to add it by right click and add option. simplist solution!
17:23<xwd>It's how I solved it in Xfce4. :P
17:23<bighornram>I guess it will be there when I reboot??
17:27<bighornram>all good, bye...
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17:59<magnetschieber>nabend
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18:03<jmut>I used http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-puttingonhold to put all php related packages on hold. with dumping selections.txt file and setting again. I then run apt-get update but when I see apt-show-versions -u |grep upgrade|grep php I still see php files listed
18:03<jmut>does it mean that on dist-upgrade I will have them installed anyhow
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18:10<jmut>should be fine on dist-upgrade I see them on "The following packages have been kept back" list
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18:10<usuario>cf
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18:18<stian1979>Upgraded to squeeze and lost the sound on the laptop. can not get my head around the problem.
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18:24<renkoino>hi, anyone can let me know the meaning of red word in backtrack?
18:24<renkoino>pppd doesnt work, does it?
18:25<ml|>!backtrack
18:25<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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18:25<abrotman>renkoino: try the backtrack support channel, this isn't it
18:26<tim>hello all
18:26<renkoino>oh, cheers mate, i am a new man
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18:27<tim>Any suggestions for installing drivers for a CanoScan 3000F USB flatbed scanner?
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18:30<tim>I'm a noob to Linux but have previous Unix experience. Just not with scanners. Any help out there?
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18:31<stian1979>I really can't get any way with this dell. I have a intel ICH6 soundcard and I can not find a way to get sound out of it. It was working before I upgraded to squeeze
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18:32<tim>quit
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18:33<abrotman>stian1979: does sound work for root at the console ?
18:33<abrotman>!alsa checklist
18:33<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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18:37<stian1979>how do I test if it work for root at the console?
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18:44<stian1979>dpkg: 1 how can I add myself to the audio group? 2 this I have done but without geting anywhere. 3 arts or esound? 4 OSS modules? 5 yes. 6 did something, but still no sound. 7 did not work.
18:44<dpkg>stian1979: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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18:46<vhann>dpkg: Am I #2?
18:46<dpkg>vhann: I don't know, could you explain it?
18:46<ml|>stian1979: dpkg is a bot
18:46<vhann><3 dpkg
18:47<stian1979>dpkg: I'm afraid
18:47<dpkg>stian1979: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
18:47<abrotman>stop playing with the bot
18:47<abrotman>stian1979: type 'groups' .. do you see 'audio' there ?
18:48<vhann>abrotman: Well, what were these funny messages there for if not to have fun with the bot?
18:48<abrotman>you odn't have to do it here
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18:49<stian1979>only thing I get is root when I type groups
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18:49<abrotman>stian1979: as your user, not root
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18:51<stian1979>It's a friends computer, I only have the root password
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18:54<ml|>if you have permission su to that user ... su -l 'username'
18:55<stian1979>created a new acount and typed groups and now only show stian
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18:57<stian1979>I did the su-l thing and the other user has audio listed
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18:58<ml|>keep following the checklist dpkg said
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19:00<abrotman>stian1979: is alsa-utils and linux-sound-base installed ?
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19:05<stian1979>abroman: yes they are
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19:05<mercutio22>what is the equivalent of gdebi for KDE?
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19:06<stian1979>how can I check if esound and arts are running?
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19:07<ml|>mercutio22: gdebi-kde
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19:07<abrotman>huh?
19:08<abrotman>stian1979: ps aux
19:09<mercutio22>ml|: thanks
19:09<ml|>np
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19:11<stian1979>abroman: ps aux don't show any esound or arts
19:11<abrotman>okay, that's a good thing
19:11<abrotman>stian1979: lspci -nn | grep -i Audio .. what is the line that appears ?
19:11*montel remembers abrotman from freenode
19:11*abrotman is still on freenode ...
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19:15<ml|>mercutio22: for next time you can use apt-cahe search gdebi or aptitude ... to search for paclages and can use aptitude show packagename for more info
19:15<zebrapig>abrotman, I'm not allowed to be on freenode :p
19:15<abrotman>ok
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19:16<stian1979>it apears 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:266e] (rev 03)
19:17<ml|>judd pciid 8086:266e
19:17<judd>[8086:266e] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:266e http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module.
19:18<abrotman>stian1979: `uname -a`
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19:19<stian1979>2.6.32-trunk-686
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19:26<mercutio22>in gnome, there was an option to set two-finger mouse scrolling. Is it possible to have that in KDE?
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19:31<stian1979>tryed a different kernel and still not working this sound
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19:36<augeas>stian1979: lsmod | grep snd
19:38<stian1979>augeas: what would I be looking for there?
19:38<augeas>u should have something like
19:38<augeas>snd 48564 5 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcsp,snd_pcm,snd_timer
19:38<augeas>and i am on the same kernel
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19:39<mc74x>holas alguien tiene manuales de nmap
19:39<stian1979>I did not have the snd 48564 5
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19:40<bremner>!tell mc74x -about es
19:41<augeas>if u have the intel one ac97 is enough i guess
19:41<mc74x>ok gracias
19:41<bremner>de nada
19:42<stian1979>snd_intel8x0, snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codem, csnd_ac97_codec I have
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19:43<ml|>stian1979: did you follow the checklist?
19:43<stian1979>yes I did
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19:43<stian1979>and everything seams to be ok
19:44<stian1979>This is tooooo stupid
19:45<stian1979>shaked the laptop in anger and the sound started to work
19:45<augeas>err?
19:45<augeas>that wasnt soft prob then
19:46<mercutio22>hey ml| I am a bit worried about inserting that sid line on my sources.list file. Should I do this ---> http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html?
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19:46<stian1979>nope, how could I ever doubt linux, seams something lose inside. just have to remember to shake it now and then if it stop working :D
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19:47<stian1979>Thank anyway, I have learned a few things even it did not solve my hardware problem
19:47<ml|>mercutio22: if you want, but if you follow dpkg there is no need for all that; I've never had an issue
19:47<augeas>stian1979: yw
19:48<mercutio22>ml|: hmm.. can you make dpkg post that info again?
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19:49<ml|>mercutio22: do /msg dpkg tum
19:49<ml|>just follow it exactly
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19:51<mercutio22>ml|: hmm I overlooked that echo line instruction.. I will do that now
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19:51<drc_>aloha
19:53<drc_>anyone ever have trouble getting installer to recognize raid partitions? I'm using nforce mediashield enhanced software raid i think
19:53<ml|>mercutio22: that is very important or else you'll end up with sid
19:54<mercutio22>ml|: yeah, it figures. Luckly I havent issue an update command yet
19:54<mercutio22>ml|: I did install some sid packages though
19:54<ml|>or upgrade
19:54<mercutio22>ml|: yeah, upgrade commands I mean
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19:55<ml|>good, you should be fine
19:55<drc_>it just keeps recognizing 4 drives instead of 1... most other distros seem to find it properly
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19:59<abrotman>drc_: it's probably not real raid
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20:02<drc_>its definitely not hardware raid
20:02<drc_>its builtin software raid on the 780i
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20:03<xgoro>Hi!
20:03<drc_>its just a pain that ubuntu recognizes it fine, so do a bunch of others and all i really want is debian :(
20:04<drc_>gonna try testing release.. it said some stuff about raid functionality
20:04<xgoro>Anyone here able to get apt-proxy working??
20:04<xgoro>I Just installed it and it fails to get all updates
20:04<ml|>drc_: you can try kmuto /msg dpkg kmuto
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20:08<drc_>ml|: ty
20:08<abrotman>xgoro: i've had more success with approx
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20:10<mercutio22>during installation I didn't have internet connection and I ended up with only the debian base installation. Later I installed the KDE desktop but I still miss audio playback. Which packages should I install? Pulseaudio + alsa-base is enough?
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20:12<mercutio22>nevemind, I got it
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20:16<sickly>test
20:17<mercutio22>back in
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20:20<crplague>this channel is quite quiet
20:21<kmap>!shout
20:21*dpkg HELLO HELLO DOES ANYBODY HEAR ME? OHHH I AM SO LONELY PLEASE HELP ME PLEEEEASE!!! ... HELLO? DOES ANYBODY HEAR ME?
20:21<Knorrie>:)
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20:21<sernylan>I'm using squeeze amd64. I've got sound, but an interaction bug between a few apps I don't know what to blame.
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20:23<sernylan>I might have iceweasel open with totem and flash-player plugins. I can have an audio player like qmmp open simultaneously, alternate between them.
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20:24<mercutio22>is there a volume app in the kde desktop? I don't see it
20:24<sernylan>I open a sound editor like audacity or sweep. Audio playback in the other applications blows a fuse.
20:24<kmap>sernylan: I don't know if this would help, but ask dpkg about dmix
20:24<kmap>mercutio22: kmix has to be installed/started
20:24<abrotman>there's also pulse now i suppose
20:25<mercutio22>kmap: thanks I will look into it
20:25<sernylan>Iceweasel will recover without restart if you close all tabs and open them again.
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20:34<mercutio22>crap.. I still get no audio in flash
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20:34<crplague>changed output?
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20:39<mercutio22>yeah probably that was it
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20:39<mercutio22>I also installed pulseaudio
20:39<mercutio22>I will revert that
20:39<mercutio22>brb
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20:47<mercutio22>I think I borked audio playback. it was working before but I though the lack of a mixer app indicated it wasnt. I removed pulseaudio and probably messed with other stuff I shouldn't have. Any suggestions on how to recover the base-installation situation?
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20:50<bremner>mercutio22: did you remove packages, or rm -rf /usr/blah
20:51<mercutio22>bremner: I removed pulseaudio via aptitude
20:51<bremner>mercutio22: the first thing you need is alsamixer
20:52<mercutio22>bremner: yep, I have that
20:52<bremner>so you checked everything is unmuted and so on?
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20:53*bremner has no pulseaudio on this squeeze install, sound is ok
20:53<mercutio22>bremner: every volume bar is up high
20:53<mercutio22>bremner: any other suggestions?
20:53<bremner>no MM on the bottom of the bar?
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20:54<mercutio22>bremner: speaker!
20:55<mercutio22>bremner: how do I change it?
20:55<bremner>hit m
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20:56<bremner>try speaker-test as a noise generator
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21:05<mercutio22>bremner: YEAAAAAHHHH!!
21:05<mercutio22>=]
21:05<mercutio22>thanks
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21:08<bremner>mercutio22: You're welcome. I know how frustrating sound on linux can be.
21:08<james_>It's so worth it once it works though.
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21:08<crplague>xorg.conf is wrost!
21:09<adb>it was ..
21:09<bremner>nah, xorg.conf is mostly not needed anymore.
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21:11<mercutio22>now, whats the name of the kde gui to unpack compressed files?
21:11<edhunter>mercutio22: ark perhaps?
21:13<mercutio22>edhunter: hmm yeah I guess thats whats I am looking for
21:13<mercutio22>thanks
21:13<james_>Can anyone instruct me a bit on using gnus in Emacs?
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21:19<priya>hi all
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21:20<priya>im running debian lenny linux server i need to compile something but the make commnad does not work i get error bash: make: command not found
21:20<priya>how do i fix this
21:21<james_>What you need are the build-essentials.
21:21<james_>Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone?
21:21<abrotman>that'd be a good start
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21:22<priya>ok were and how i get that
21:22<james_>The command is, first, "su"
21:22<james_>Then, type "apt-get install build-essentials"
21:22<james_>That should do it.
21:23<abrotman>use aptitude
21:23<james_>After your password, I mean.
21:23<james_>He's right, you can go with that.
21:23<priya>u lopst me
21:23<james_>abrotman, maybe you can take a stab at it.
21:24<priya>what u mean i log in as root enter my password than add the apt-get command
21:24<james_>NEVER log in as root.
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21:24<james_>Use the "su" command in a terminal.
21:24<abrotman>priya: use 'su' to be come root, when you have the "#" shell prompt, use `aptitude install build-essentials'
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21:25<priya>im runng debian lenny linux server headless so dont login with putty as root
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21:26<james_>It's not the safest route.
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21:26<simy>Hello. I have a question is a quad core at 2.8 or so Ghz worth the extra threads then a dual core of the same net speed in a linux box, running 2 full X server sessions 90% of the time, and some games (without both X servers)
21:27<james_>simy: Not sure I understand the question? Are you trying to buy a new computer?
21:27<priya>ok i will try again when i installed this server i did not install desktop gui just the base
21:28<simy>james_, yeah, trying to decide if I should buy a 2 core processor or 4 core. Assuming both are the same speed which would perform better, As i understand it that each core is as fast as the speed given divided by all cores
21:28<simy>so is the cost difference worth running twice the threads/cores?
21:29<hybrid-kernel>depends on what you do really
21:29<james_>simy: Yeah, I see your point now. I'd just go with the cheap solution, since you're not going to see a HUGE difference with your setup, imho.
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21:30<simy>Jeff uses the system locally runs some flash games, browses the web uses mail, etc. usually 2-3 browsers at once, and 1 email client, and a small opengl game. I remote into the machine to run larger things, computational things usually, such as compiling if I need to (not very often) downloading files, browsing some websites, etc.
21:30<simy>for the games we play we could run 3 concurrently on this old 1ghz 1gb memory system just fine, lol so I'm not too worried about that
21:31<james_>Yeah, don't go for industrial-strength if that's all you're doing.
21:31<james_>I was working on a computer yesterday that could have had 20 users simultaneously, each with about 50 GB of HD space.
21:31<simy>ok quad cores wont show a real advantage over a dual core for me then...
21:31<simy>thats good to know :)
21:31<hybrid-kernel>agreed, unless you compile all the time or something along those lines, no need for quad
21:31<simy>but dual would be great for 2 x servers, right? I'm assuming
21:32<hybrid-kernel>2 x servers?
21:32<hybrid-kernel>oh nvm
21:32<hybrid-kernel>i misunderstood
21:32<simy>2 X window servers, and 1 X window client :)
21:32<hybrid-kernel>should be fine
21:32<simy>no problem :) you took it to mean 2*servers, lol
21:32<hybrid-kernel>you should get a reasonable gpu as well
21:32<hybrid-kernel>I love hardware acceleration for video
21:32<simy>hybrid-kernel, theres another question...
21:32<simy>:(
21:33<hybrid-kernel>?
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21:33<simy>I'm seeing recently Nvidia has been most linux friendly, but I'm weighing my options....
21:33<abrotman>no it's not
21:33<james_>It HATES linux in most cases.
21:33<ml|>yeah it's not
21:33<simy>I ment company, but, lol
21:33<simy>who is the best linux friendly company then?
21:33<hybrid-kernel>I dont really have any issues with mine, but maybe I'm an acception
21:34<james_>Intel's usually okay.
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21:34<simy>I was looking at the geforce 9800 GT
21:34<james_>I don't need anything non-free on my Intel machine.
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21:34<ml|>if INtel made desktop gpu's ;)
21:35<bremner>the ati radeon driver seems decent these days; don't know about 3d
21:35<simy>james_, I'll live with the license because I can choose whats installed, and I could run the free as in beer open source version, lol
21:35<abrotman>ml|: they do
21:35<james_>lol, well said.
21:35<abrotman>ml|: i think you mean 'if intel made discreet graphics cards'
21:35<ml|>abrotman: cards?
21:35<ml|>ah, yes
21:35<abrotman>erm .. discrete
21:36<ml|>haven't there been recent issue with intel driver tho?
21:36<zebrapig>Do you guys ever find yourself shouting out random computer related terms?
21:36<bremner>RAM!, err NO!
21:36<abrotman>ml|: not for me
21:37<james_>There is no system but GNU!
21:37<abrotman>ml|: and that's on three different laptops with different cards
21:37<james_>Whoops.
21:37<zebrapig>james_, njan?
21:37<ml|>ok, wondering, I see some people have issues
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21:37<simy>my GNU system always runs like nnew
21:37<simy>its got wiings since im double keying :/
21:38<james_>Well, this is awkward... somebody just pm'ed me without my saying anything to them.
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21:39<simy>EVGA Geforce 9800 GTX sound good for a GPU?
21:39<simy>I'm looking to spend a couple hundred now, and then nothing for another 5-7 years, lol
21:39<abrotman>simy: maybe you should use #debian-offtopic
21:39<abrotman>or ask ##hardware on freenode
21:39<james_>Depends, are you willing to spend that much time getting it to work?
21:40<simy>abrotman, they dont usually have as many linux folks... :(
21:40<abrotman>simy: you're not really asking about linux AFAICT
21:40<simy>james_, ideally no, thats the idea of asking, lol
21:40<james_>There you go. ;)
21:40<simy>abrotman, sorry, would an open ended question be better?
21:40<ml|>simy: do you care about 3d?
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21:41<simy>ml|, not my main concern... 1) needs to be from a linux friendly company, its my understanding that nvidia is nicer then ati, it also needs to run compiz fusion, or nexuiz, other then that i dont push it. But i would like it to last for awhile and run with a simple apt-get and or some slight xorg work, lol
21:42<hybrid-kernel>nexuiz is heavy 3d iirc
21:42<simy>hybrid-kernel, I run it at the lowest setting, lol
21:42<ml|>for compiz you need 3d if not mistaken
21:42<simy>I would prefer to not HAVE to run it at low settings, but...
21:42<simy>ml|, yes, and my poor card dosnt cut it...
21:42<james_>Compiz fusion relies on some graphical ability for your card, so a newer nvidia would probably work with the right drivers.
21:42<abrotman>simy: you're backwards .. Ati has released specs for people to make open drivers, nvidia has not
21:43<simy>abrotman, so they DID release stuff?
21:43<simy>ati it is then :) thanks abrotman
21:43<abrotman>like .. three years ago .. way to keep up
21:43<simy>sorry :(
21:43<hybrid-kernel>you could try nvidia + noveau but it's not getting good 3d performace atm
21:43<abrotman>hybrid-kernel: and only on certain cards
21:43<simy>hybrid-kernel, abrotman just took nvidia out for ati
21:43<simy>so now ill look in the ati relm :)
21:43<mercutio22>simy: watch out for rebranded models. You can get a cheaper one with the same specs.
21:43<abrotman>simy: if you really cared, you wouldn't use either really
21:45<simy>abrotman, then lets put it this way, who is the most linux friendly company that isnt only halfheartedly helping? I dont care if it turns out to not be ati or nvidia, but some other company. I'll put my money and get somthing half as good in windows for a better linux future.
21:45<ml|>abrotman: then what options are there besides ati and nvidia?
21:45<mercutio22>ml|: nailed it
21:45<abrotman>did he say it had to be discrete ?
21:46<simy>abrotman, I didnt impose any restrictions actually
21:46<ml|>not sure but use one for his question above
21:46<simy>other then linux friendly
21:46<abrotman>ml|: why? he didn't ask for it .. why create more complications
21:47<simy>although I havnt found a i3/5/7 board with integrated graphics, but i dont think ild notice core2 vs i3/5/7 performance to be honest
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21:47<simy>so if i need a core2 board with integrated graphics (Thats what I'm assuming your saying abrotman ) then ill look into those...
21:47<simy>intel graphics im assuming?
21:48<ml|>abrotman: just asking you since you said that above is all
21:49<simy>which is more linux friendly AMD or Intel?
21:49<simy>Intel, right?
21:49<abrotman>simy: i won't paste the link, but newegg has intel boards that have onboard intel video and do i3/5/7
21:49<james_>I've used both with success.
21:49<simy>abrotman, hmm, i didnt see them last i looked
21:50<simy>listed under i7/i5/i3/pentium boards?
21:50<simy>tis the only plce i havnt looked, lol
21:50<ml|>simy: if you can get away with using onbaord with the output you need I'd use that
21:51<simy>ml|, its prefered, i can spend more on ram :P
21:51<ml|>heh
21:51<simy>abrotman, could you msg me how you got to see that list, im still stumped. I can see core2 boards with onboard video but not anything that supports i7/i5/i3 processors
21:52<ml|>on board = intel is what I mean like abrotman suggested
21:53<simy>so onboard intel graphics.. can that run compiz, and or nexuiz (at higher then min settings and 800x600, lol)
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21:53<simy>I'm assuming drivers are included as a standard module?
21:53<ml|>If some do 3d, should be fine for compiz
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21:55<simy>abrotman, can i msg you :)
21:56<bremner>maybe people were thinking of poulsbo when the thought of troubles with intel drivers. GMA500=spawn of satan.
21:56<abrotman>simy: this is why i told you to use #debian-offtopic
21:56<simy>okies, ill go there, im sorry
21:56*simy will be quiet in here now....
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22:05<Dan_E>I just installed Debian and need to know how to change the screen res. Says i can only get 800x600 but vid card can do 1280x1024
22:05<mike_>edit the file : /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:06<Dan_E>k
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22:06<abrotman>Dan_E: what is your video card? what is your version of debian ?
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22:06<ml|>xrandr might help
22:07<abrotman>or he's using some hardware that requires non-free binary drivers and hasn't installed them yet, and he's currently using the vesa driver
22:08<Dan_E>GeForce 6150 and Debian 5.0.4
22:08<mike_>same as my laptop
22:08<abrotman>!tell Dan_E about nvidia one-liner
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22:10<ml|>the nv driver works with that chip
22:10<mike_>Dan_E, Download the nvdia driver and install it. good luck
22:10<ml|>no that can break your system, when doing future stuff
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22:11<Dan_E>from where
22:11<Dan_E>no package?
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22:12<ml|>Dan_E: read what dpkg sent you
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22:12<Dan_E>sorry
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22:50<bremner>are there any alternatives to scponly? I'd like a single unix user, and configure read access to key1 and rw to key2 (sorta like gitolite/gitosis does for git).
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22:55<kop>How would I allow a user to mount, but be able to specify -o ro. The only thing I can think to do is have 2 mount points, one for rw and one for ro, in fstab. Seems a bit ugly.
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22:58<kop>bremner: Will scponly allow either ro or rw access?
22:59<bremner>kop: I think it relies on unix permissions
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23:00<bremner>so you could make several unix uses have the same homedir, fiddle with group writable and so on
23:03<ml|>kop: using sudo and specify the options you want only?
23:03<kop>bremner: Or acls. If you could control permissions with scponly you could use ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with command="scponly <rightconfigfile>" to do it with one use and keys.
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23:04<ml|>I use that for root so can only run one command
23:04<kop>ml|: I am unfond of sudo. In some sense it makes things less secure because only the user's password needs to be cracked to get root. (Of course it can be frobbed to restrict things further, but I never want that.)
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23:05<kop>ml| : I'm thinking of the "user" option in fstab. But it does not let the user use -o.
23:07<priya>hi all my linux lenny seerver does not have install build-essentials how to get that from the net
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23:08<adb>!tell kop about user accessible ntfs # as example fstab + user access
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23:08<kop>priya: Same way you install any other debian package. Do you know how to install things? (A newbie should _only_ get their packages from offical (or semi-offical) debian respositories.)
23:08<karme>priya: you mean "build-essential" right?
23:08<priya>yes
23:08<karme>priya: note the missing s
23:09<priya>i spelled it wrong here
23:09<priya>im learning linux
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23:09<priya>i need to get the package first than install it
23:09<kop>adb: That's fine. But sometimes I want ro and sometimes I want rw. That can't be done in a single fstab entry.
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23:10<james_>priya: The install process is a lot easier than that these days.
23:10*kop wonders where irssi puts /msg output. I didn't see adb's !tell.
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23:10<priya>ok please help out
23:10<ml|>kop: in a new window
23:10<james_>Okay, you can do it all with one command. Either 'apt-get' or 'aptitude', and give them an option.
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23:11<adb>!user accessible ntfs
23:11<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
23:11<james_>So, say you wanted something called 'foo'.
23:11<karme>priya: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html
23:11<kop>Humm. This time I got it. (But, adb, I'd already read it. Did you read my response?)
23:11<james_>Thanks, karme.
23:12<priya>ok i used apt-get install build essentials but i get error
23:12<james_>There has to be a hyphen between 'build' and 'essential'.
23:12<james_>No space.
23:13<james_>And are you running as root (admin)?
23:13<priya>yes i have just ran aptitude install openssh-server and that loaded fine
23:14<james_>That should be fine, then.
23:14<priya>sorry yes i did use hyphen
23:14<priya>ok i will do it again and write the error here
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23:16<kop>!tell priya about paste
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23:16<james_>Rather than putting your output here, there's a Debian site where you can paste it.
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23:17<priya>error i get couldn't find package build-essentials
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23:17<adb>build-essential* no s*
23:17<ml|>build-essential
23:18<ml|>!qotd49
23:18<dpkg><tcsetattr> build-essential contains all of the ... um ... essential stuff. For building.
23:18<priya>ok no s lol
23:18<james_>Compilers, make, that kind of thing.
23:19<priya>be back lets try again
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23:19<rizky>grrr
23:20*adb do an squeeze install on ps3
23:21<priya>lol sorry guys that s was the reason ok got it to download and install thanks for the help
23:22<ml|>adb: how is working or just doing it now?
23:22<karme>priya: tip: you can use tab completion to prevent such mistakes
23:23<adb>ml|, thats the second machine , is doing fine ..
23:23<priya>sorry new to that again what u mean tab completion
23:23<karme>priya: you type some letters and press tab
23:23<ml|>!congratulate adb
23:23<dpkg>Yay adb, you did it!
23:24<priya>ok got it
23:24<karme>priya: the shell will try to complete the rest
23:24<karme>priya: depending on the shell and setup used this works really well
23:24<priya>ic like texting
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23:24<karme>priya: default shell is bash and default tab completion is limited
23:24<karme>priya: you can change it to understand command options
23:25<karme>priya: in this case this would complete packagenames installable by aptitude
23:26<priya>ok i have a few more things to work out i need to install driver for my moschip serial comport board 9865 i have the linux files but i need to compile it first
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23:26<ml|>priya: you can install bash-completion to make a bit better
23:27<priya>but first i need to patch the source code how does one do that
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23:29<karme>priya: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_compiling_the_kernel_source_debian_standard_method
23:31<karme>priya: and http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO-6.html
23:31<ml|>priya: patch -p0 < patch.patch for example man patch
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23:34<priya>ok i will try it the file for this board witch one will be the source file thier are about 5 files in the folder with the source code for this board
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23:34<ml|>karme: this good for kernel stuff ... http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/
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23:36<karme>ml|: ah nice
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23:38<karme>ml|: hmm - doesn't cover make-kpkg
23:38<ml|>iirc it does
23:39<adb>!make-kpkg
23:39<dpkg>i heard make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>.
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23:51<priya>i need some help i have about 5 files and one Makefile witch one is the source file what is the end extension i need to patch it other wise i cant install the drivers for this dam moschip serial comport board
23:53<mercutio22>how can I know what is my ethernet device? lspci doesn't show it for some reason
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23:57<adb>hwinfo - Hardware identification system
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23:59<ml|>mercutio22: try lspci -nn | grep -i Ethernet
23:59<JustRob>Can I use a debian disc 1 in rescue mode to just quick partition a system or is there some kind of boot command I can use to bypass this installer process?
23:59<JustRob>nevermind
23:59<ml|>JustRob: you should be able too
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