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00:00<JustRob>this machine is just so slow that it took forever to get to the "shell in rescue mode" options
00:00<mercutio22>ml|: no dice. I will try hwinfo when I finish installing some packages here
00:00<priya>anyone can help me patch a file to my source code for my moschip 9865 serial comport board
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00:06<ml|>mercutio22: can also try dmidecode
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00:10<MikeGreene>hi is anyone here ?
00:10<priya>i get this error when i run make to compile the driver for my serial comport baord make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build/: No such file or directory. Stop.
00:10<MikeGreene>I'm having some trouble getting ssh configured would anyone be willing to lend me assistance?
00:10<priya>please help
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00:11<MikeGreene>Need help with SSH anyone?
00:12<jar>MikeGreene: what kind of help do you need?
00:12<MikeGreene>I am tring to login via ssh to a server
00:12<MikeGreene>so I need to configure it to allow this :S
00:12<MikeGreene>I have kvm access to the server currently
00:12<jar>sudo apt-get install openssh
00:12<jar>that's about it
00:13<MikeGreene>couldn't find package openssh
00:13<jar>er oops
00:13<jar>sudo apt-get install openssh-server
00:13<MikeGreene>package open-ssh server is not available, but is referred to by another package
00:13<MikeGreene>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
00:13<jar>have you updated your apt lately?
00:14<MikeGreene>but my source list
00:14<MikeGreene>is f*ed I'm sure
00:14<jar>i'd take care of that then
00:14<MikeGreene>next question
00:14<MikeGreene>how do I take care of that
00:14<jar>not really sure, put the right values in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
00:14<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
00:15<jar>adb: thanks, bro
00:15<ml|>openssh-server not open-ssh server
00:15<MikeGreene>sources: event not found
00:15<jar>oh i didn't catch that he used that, ml|
00:15<jar>good call
00:16<jar>MikeGreene: sudo apt-get install openssh-server, not open-ssh-server
00:16<MikeGreene>thats what I used
00:16<adb> sudo ?
00:16<MikeGreene>first time
00:16<MikeGreene>and I have root no need for sudo
00:16<jar>adb: I do everything w/ sudo
00:16<MikeGreene>probably a good one
00:16<MikeGreene>but my only concern is getting this working
00:16<jar>i think so
00:17<MikeGreene>so dpkg all that is great
00:17<ml|>it's preference to use sudo
00:17<MikeGreene>what do I need to do to fix my sources list
00:17<jar>a text editor
00:17<adb>nano /etc/apt/sources.list
00:17<MikeGreene>yep I'm in the sources list already
00:17<MikeGreene>what should I have there
00:18<MikeGreene>is there a catch all line
00:18<MikeGreene>to access all mirrors?
00:18<adb>read above
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00:18<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
00:18<MikeGreene>I read above I couldn't discern any useful information
00:18<ml|>no, read dpkg
00:18<MikeGreene>I know where the list of repositories is already
00:18<ml|>"man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
00:18<MikeGreene>I know it has lines like " blah blah blah" and "blah blah blah"
00:18<MikeGreene>don't care about country code
00:18<MikeGreene>I don't know how to run "aptitude update"
00:19*jar 's sources.list has no blah's
00:19<MikeGreene>no but dpkgs statement does
00:19<MikeGreene>be more specific
00:19<MikeGreene>I'm a new user
00:19<MikeGreene>quoting faqs gets me nowhere if I don't understand what your quoting
00:19<jar>well you need to verify the validity of your sources.list
00:19<MikeGreene>sounds good
00:19<MikeGreene>how do I do this?
00:19<jar>pastebin it
00:20<jar>copy and paste the contents of sources.list
00:21<MikeGreene>k give me a sec while I figure that out
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00:23<MikeGreene>something better than pastebin :S
00:23<MikeGreene>I can't figure out how to select text on this damn kvm
00:24<jar>are you sure you've run apt-get update?
00:25<jar>like, recently?
00:25<ml|>that shouls be fine aptitude update then try installing it again
00:25<jar>yeah, it seems like you haven't updated lately is what the problem is.
00:26<ml|>jar: should use aptitude /msg dpkg why aptitude
00:26<jar>ml|: most of the advantages of aptitutude are now in apt
00:26<jar>im fine w/ apt
00:27<jar>the reverse dependency checking is pretty much the exact same
00:27<ml|>hmm, you sure about that; anyways I prefer aptitude
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00:28<jar>ml|: pretty sure
00:28<jar>ive not had issues w/ apt in a couple years now
00:28<ml|>to each it's own ;)
00:29<MikeGreene>looks like its having some problems updating
00:29<MikeGreene>but I don't know why
00:29<MikeGreene>brings me back to my sources list
00:29<MikeGreene>being messed up
00:29<jar>you should refresh your mirrors
00:30<MikeGreene>how to do that?
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00:34<JustRob>Take a dry cloth, preferably microfiber and wipe them down vigorously...
00:34<MikeGreene>Rob your alright
00:34<MikeGreene>but on a more serious note
00:35<MikeGreene>so put that in my source list ?
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00:35<JustRob>I'm just in a goofy mood..
00:35<jar>MikeGreene: pick a mirror and yeah, replace your current liness
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00:36<MikeGreene>so I'm doing this in a browser then
00:36<citrus>what is this country?
00:36<MikeGreene>and then editing source file
00:36<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
00:40<priya> i get this error when i run make to compile the driver for my serial comport baord make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build/: No such file or directory. Stop.
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00:40<priya>what does this mean
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00:43<karme>priya: where and how do you run make?
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00:44<karme>priya: is the code for your module really a patch or is it intended to be built out of tree?
00:45<Ipsilon>I'm not sure how to say this. But i'm installing grub since i got error 17. I want to know the syntax for the command
00:45<Ipsilon>linux is going to be installed in sdb2
00:46<Ipsilon>the tutorial uses hda... which is not what i have
00:46<Ipsilon>and even so.. it's sda, not sdb
00:46<Ipsilon>*sdb, not sda
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00:48<Ipsilon>grub > root (sdX,1)
00:48<Ipsilon>i wan't to know what to write in the X place
00:48<priya>i dont have a clue i have a moschip 9865 serial comport board that im am adding to my pc to have more serial comports but i need to add the driver for the baord to work so in the doc. file it states after i have all the files in a folder extratected than use make to compile
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00:50<karme>priya: so likely out of tree
00:50<karme>priya: it probably expects /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build/ to be a symlink to your kernel source
00:50<karme>priya: but please paste your complete output somewhere
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00:51<priya>ok i will i will private u
00:51<karme>priya: please don't
00:51<priya>ok than were
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00:52<karme>!tell priya about paste
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00:52<priya>also i read online that i need to patch the source code for this board as thier is a problem with the source code and i have no clue hot to patch it
00:52<priya>ok i will paste it their
00:53<chealer>Ipsilon: I guess that would be 1
00:53<karme>priya: did you take a look at the links posted earlier?
00:53<Ipsilon>yeah, i'm guessing that too.. but sudo grub won't work
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00:55<priya>no but i did now
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00:56<priya>i will be back hockey gam,e is back on sweden vs finland
00:56<Ipsilon>nm. I'll try fixing it by installing kubuntu. Seems like the safest bet
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01:02<ramya>Any body getting my messages on xchat???
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01:04<priya>ok i pasted it to here
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01:07<karme>priya: the -C option tells make to first change into that directory
01:07<karme>priya: but this directory obviously does not exist => error
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01:09<priya>ok need help on that
01:10<priya>how do i do that
01:11<karme>priya: did you read the documentation that comes with that module?
01:11<priya>let me do it again over maybe i missed a step
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01:12<karme>priya: you also should provide more information - is that module downloadable somewhere?
01:13<karme>priya: as already posted above:
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01:13<karme>priya: it probably expects /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build/ to be a symlink to your kernel source
01:13<priya>were do i get that from
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01:16<karme>priya: read again
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01:17<karme>priya: you would stop at the ...
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01:19<priya>im new to linux and learning alot but along ways to go to understand all this
01:19<karme>priya: you will have to read some stuff and try to understand it
01:19<priya>just to load a driver for a add on card for this pc is harder than adding drivers in windows for same card
01:20<karme>priya: tell the manufacturer
01:20<priya>in linux
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01:20<priya>yes forsure
01:20<priya>i am not buying this card again
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01:25<karme>priya: reading it looks like the kernel headers are good enough
01:26<karme>priya: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.26-2-686
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01:33<karme>priya: btw - be carefull where you run that rm command
01:34<karme>priya: and in general be carefull if you are root
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01:39<priya>ok it owrked it did install the drivers finally
01:41<priya>ttyS0 is the one that came with the motherboard it like com 1 on windows
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01:41<priya>but what ones are these ttyD0
01:42<meowcats>in ntbatch i can do "%~nA" to get the file name without the extension
01:42<gsimmons>priya: They are likely your desired character devices (see dmesg).
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01:42<meowcats>how would i do this in dash?
01:45<priya>ok can i change them to ttyS1 and ttyS2
01:45<jm_>meowcats: doesn't its man page explain various parameter expansion options?
01:45<karme>meowcats: something like ${X%*.*} should work
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01:48<karme>!tell priya about udev
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01:50<priya>ok lots off reading lol
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01:55<meowcats>karme thanks that works :)
01:55<meowcats>jm_ yes however man page was "too thorough" to decipher
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02:07<JustRob>DSL is a debian based distro right?
02:07<jar>no idea
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02:08<JustRob>Is there a published list of the minimum sys reqs for a base package debian lenny install?
02:11<JustRob>hmm...minimum 64mb ram eh?
02:11<jar>that's what it says
02:12<JustRob>well, this thing has 64, and I don't plan on using a wm at all, MAYBE icewm if that
02:12<jar>id recommend learning how to effectively use screen instead
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02:13<JustRob>Oh, I'm very comfortable with screen
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02:13<jm_>did you figure out mach64 and DRI?
02:13<JustRob>and I'm buddies with the console, so running cli only is not an issue
02:13<JustRob>nah, I'm going to work on that later
02:14<jar>why is it practically impossible to use line numbers w/ emacs
02:14<JustRob>I want to see how responsive I can make this other older laptop for just text entry duties
02:14<JustRob>what options does expert install give me?
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02:32<JustRob>wow, this install didn't detect my dlink card which 4 previous installs got without a problem but my orinoco gold wireless card worked in less than a second...scary
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02:38<priya>ok good nite all and thanks for alot of help be back tomrrow to learn more
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02:51<gsimmons>JustRob: Which D-Link device, out of interest?
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03:09<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
03:09<x>подскажите пожалуйста
03:09<x>есть кто живой?
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03:13<JustRob>Ok, these install instructions say to cd to a directory that doesn't exist in the package contents. Nice.
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03:29<JustRob>ok, found the correct package I needed and am progressing with the mach64 procedure, wish me luck
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03:33<franklin>FYI, on my system, aptitude, nano, lynx, powertop... crash with SIGSEGV (see Bug#570915 for workaround)
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03:36<jm_>nice one
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03:47<domzinique>how do I find out whether my debian is lenny or squeeze?
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03:47<jm_>!which release
03:47<jm_>try /etc/debian_version
03:47<domzinique>it returns 5.04.
03:48<jm_>so it's lenny
03:48<domzinique>is testing dvd same as squeeze?
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03:49<jm_>testing is still updated a lot so some packages might be outdated - there's not much point in using testing DVD-s
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03:49<JustRob>well, I finally was able to compile the mach64 module, installed it, and lo and behold, it didn't work
03:49<JustRob>still not getting direct rendering
03:50<jm_>did you load it?
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03:50<jm_>check kernel messages (dmesg)
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03:51<domzinique>jm_ so what's the best way? that I change my repos and upgrade from the internet?
03:51<JustRob>lemme reboot just to clear my mental caches here. Too many years of windows have me in the bad habit of rebooting to clear my mind when I have a problem
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03:51<jm_>domzinique: if that's an option yes, but beware - testing is nowhere near as problem free as lenny
03:52<JustRob>btw, standard system only install from a lenny cd #1 is taking forever on this p200mmx/64 laptop I had mentioned earlier.
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04:07<domzinique>I'm trying to upgrade to squeeze from Lenny. dpkg says "s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.lis" Does that mean I have to add that at the end of URL?
04:07<jm_>no it means replace lenny with squeeze
04:07<domzinique>meaning, wherever I find lenny, I type squeeze?
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04:08<jm_>well yes, replace it
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04:09<domzinique>If i comment out security and volatile sources, I'm left with only one non-free source, which does not have "lenny" in it. Should i make it testing from stable?
04:10<jm_>make it squeeze instead of stable - but I fail to see why you have a separate entry for non-free
04:12<domzinique>err, adding that line in the sources.list was the first thing I learnt in debian. Can I do without that?
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04:13<jm_>you can have all sections covered by a single line: deb http://ftp.<country> squeeze main contrib non-free
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04:14<domzinique>ty jm_. You've helped me out a lot of times...
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04:21<augeas>this isnt big prob but during a boot my debian switches console from 1 to 6 just when it goest into runlvl 2, i mean on tty6 it starts from INIT: entering runlevel 2, and continues with starting all daemons on this tty, its not a big deal but i its driving me crazy and i cannot think of anything else i could check
04:22<jm_>tried using console=tty1 kernel parameter?
04:23<jm_>it started doing this for me at some point in the past, not quite sure when but I think it was when I upgraded to testing (whatever testing was back then)
04:23<augeas>yup, it goes on tty1 as follows, just before going into runlvl 2 switches to tty6, last two days was pretty busy for me trying to find out what did i do as it wasnt like that before
04:24<augeas>jm_: this is debian lenny + some backports - X
04:24<augeas>without X
04:24<jm_>no, console=tty1 is a kernel parameter, it helped restore it for me back then (at least IIRC)
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04:25<augeas>i can try, brb
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04:34<augeas>jm_: it worked, i could save me a lot of time coming here sooner ;)
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04:37<jm_>augeas: :)
04:38<augeas>jm_: did u think why it suddenly started to happen like that ?
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04:39<jm_>augeas: no, I didn't bother investigating it, but I think I saw it mentioned in BTS too
04:40<augeas>ok jm
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04:44<jm_>augeas: maybe this one
04:45<jm_>ahh more like the one it references 566501
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04:48<jm_>haha nice, it includes vcstime - I wrote something like that many years ago when I used tty exclusively
04:49<jm_>should be possible to figure out where in its init script it changes the tty and then dig further
04:49<jm_>since apparently no-one will bother with that bug report
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04:57<augeas>no one will bother but it was disturbing and annoying thing
04:58<jm_>yeah but maybe if you investigate further and add to bug report it will at least help someone else
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05:35<augeas>jm_: i give up, did 10 reboots, with kernel option console=tty1, i can admit that info coming to that console but 2 times out of 10 i had my console switched to tty6 anyway, the only difference is now all info keeps going on tty1
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05:35<jm_>augeas: correct, this won't prevent a switch
05:36<augeas>jm_: well if u try setupcon over and over, then for me 1-2 times out of 10 it switches console for no reason, even in verbose it doesnt give any info what is happening
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05:36<jm_>augeas: it's not setupcon, see bug 566501
05:37<augeas>jm_: setupcon is a part of console-setup
05:37<jm_>augeas: yup
05:38<augeas>console-tools even
05:38<augeas>dont know where to go from here
05:38<jm_>augeas: maybe debug where in /etc/init.d/ the switch occurs
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05:40<jmm>ew that steamer is the slowest storage I used for years.
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05:43<rb>hello averybody
05:43<jmm>hi rb.
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05:53<mammadori_>(with LC_ALL != C and after dpkg-reconfigure anything with a dialog) broken chars near "cancel" after tabbing anyone?
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06:09<augeas>jm_: hmm, uses consolechars to set the font for all alvailable consoles
06:09<augeas>jm_: if u try for example /usr/bin/consolechars --tty=/dev/tty1 -f lat0-sun16
06:10<augeas>jm_: it changes console to tty1 and so on
06:10<augeas>at least i know why now :P
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06:14<jm_>augeas: ahh so it just needs to be done in reverse order?
06:14<jm_>try changing thatm should be a trivial patch
06:15<jm_>the same thing appears twice in the script
06:15<augeas>jm_: yes
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06:15<augeas>jm_: again when it set up : # Per-VC font+sfm
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06:16<augeas>jm_: strange is when i played with options for consolechars if u add -v for verbose it does come back to the console where us started from and gives u output
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06:18<jm_>augeas: maybe it's consolechars that should restore the tty back
06:18<jm_>i would certainly not expect it to switch tty on me
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06:21<augeas>jm_: do u know command to change console ?
06:21<jm_>augeas: yes
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06:22<augeas>jm_: which is ?
06:22<jm_>augeas: chvt
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06:23<augeas>jm_: ty
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06:24<jm_>let me guess, you'll use it at the end of the init script? :)
06:26<augeas>jm_: unfortunately i cannot code in C and rebuild consolechar to not change console unexpectedly if u mean than :)
06:27<jm_>augeas: perhaps a good start is to add to this information to the bug report, and someone else will handle it from there
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06:30<jm_>augeas: very quick check in the code doesn't reveal anything special for verbose mode, just some printing on screen
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06:32<augeas>jm_: but printin on screen back to the same console ? cuz for me it looks like -v does chvt back to where it was and gives the details what it did
06:34<jm_>augeas: well it doesn't specify where to print, it just calls fprintf(stderr, ...)
06:34<augeas>jm_: /usr/bin/consolechars --tty=/dev/tty4 -f lat0-sun16 -v ( it looks like go to tty4 change font and with -v go back to tty1 and give output)
06:34<augeas>i see
06:35<jm_>augeas: that's also a useful point for whoever wants to debug it
06:36<augeas>jm_: what i can think of, get some older ver, check if that happens too, and then compare if the older works ok
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06:36<jm_>augeas: older version of console-tools?
06:36<augeas>jm_: yes, whichever .deb contains consolechar
06:36<jm_>augeas: right, good idea
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06:39<augeas>etch should be fine i guess, gonna try it
06:39<jm_>yeah next step would be to try consolechars from etch built on lenny
06:40<AzaToth_work>If I have an bridge for eth1 and wlan0 (br0), and ifconfig says eth1 is PROMISC, but seems not to until I manually set promisc again (all under etch), where should I look for the problem?
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06:43<AzaToth_work>erm, not really etch any more, but...
06:43<AzaToth_work>ifconfig still is etch version
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06:57<augeas>jm_: etch consolechar works like a charm i didnt even install it just extracted
06:57<jm_>augeas: ok so I guess diff on consolechars.c is in order
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06:57<augeas>jm_: someone didnt bother to check what's wrong that why in squeeze i couldnt find console-tools anymore just kdb
06:58<jm_>(bt it uses stuff from other files too)
07:00<augeas>jm_: but there must be a bug
07:01<augeas>[augeas@vemox ~/console-tools/usr/bin]$ ./consolechars -V
07:01<augeas>consolechars: (console-tools) 0.2.3
07:01<augeas>and same with the lenny one
07:01<augeas>they are the same version
07:01<jm_>augeas: yeah maybe some other files changed
07:01<augeas>when i mv consolechars.etch /usr/bin/consolechar
07:01<augeas>it works as it should be
07:02<augeas>do i miss something ?
07:02<augeas>jm_: i would agree if the replacement wouldnt work
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07:02<jm_>augeas: actually even package version is almost the same
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07:03<jm_>with only some minor fixes
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07:04<augeas>jm_: cant stay on this anylonger for now, will be back later
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07:10<jm_>augeas: so my next guess would be the change is in some headers it's built against
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07:33<mercutio22>I am having troube setting up kmail which notifies me it has successfully checked for messages but there are none in my inbox. I tried to set it up like evolution in another machine
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07:41<mercutio22>it seems new mesages are being stored in the thrash folder!
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07:49<johan>Hello, I would like to mount /home from the network whenever a user logs in, but the only script that I know of which is run at login is the ~/.bashrc and I don't think I can use that since I'm replacing all of /home, at least it hasn't worked out so far... so is there any other script which is run or could be run at login? how would I go about setting that up?
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07:53<themill>,info libpam-mount
07:53<judd>libpam-mount (admin, extra): PAM module that can mount volumes for a user session. Version: 0.44-1+lenny3; Size: 96.7k; Installed: 280k; Homepage:
07:54<themill>johan: ^^ not something that I've done myself, but that's the tool for it.
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07:55<johan>interesting... thanks themill
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07:58<baffled>Hi folks, My dist-upgrade on a sid box blew up yesterday and I am hoping for some help before I do major damage.
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07:59<baffled>It had old packages such as libc6 at 2.7.13 and kernel 2.6.15 and when I did a dist-upgrade it told me it couldn't upgrade to libc6 2.10... because my kernel is to old.
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08:01<baffled>I said I couldn'''t upgrade to a newer kernel because all the packages it needed for initramfs et al needed newer libraries than were on the machine.
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08:03<baffled>So I managed to finally get a newer kernel installed which didn't need initramfs and try to proceed with the dist-upgrade and dpkg looked like it was going to do it by --auto-deconfiguring libc6 to install libc-bin and then it segfaulted and I've not been able to do anything since without dpkg or apt-get... segfaulting.
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08:04<baffled>dpkg complains of a parsing error in the available file but the file looks okay to me and the error line moves around so I am not sure if that is where the problem is.
08:04<dpkg>that's too long, baffled
08:06<baffled>I would appreciate some suggestions on things to check to either find the problem/broken program or database or whatever.
08:07<baffled>dpkg: how can I state it most clearly?
08:07<dpkg>baffled: are you smoking crack?
08:08<baffled>dpkg: it might help.
08:08<dpkg>i don't know, baffled
08:08<baffled>dpkg, I hope you're a bot.
08:08<dpkg>baffled: wish i knew
08:08<jm_>settle down, dpkg is a bot
08:09<baffled>I thought so but it fooled me for a second.
08:09<baffled>At this juncture however it may know more than I do! 'grin'
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08:12<baffled>So can anyone give me any ideas how to check where my dpkg/apt system is broken?
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08:22<augeas>jm_: after longer investigation it is 100 x /usr/bin/consolechars --tty=/dev/tty4 -f lat0-sun16 i found all 3 packages did the swotching eventually on more or less often ocasion
08:22<augeas>jm_: the strace of that command doesnt show anything strace
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08:22<augeas>jm_: it goes to tty 4 waits for activation does what it has to do and it goes back at least what strace shows
08:23<augeas>jm_: ioctl(3, VIDIOC_S_COMP or VT_WAITACTIVE, 0x1) = 0 ( i believe this is where it should be back to tty1 but it isnt quite often
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08:23<augeas>jm_: then i found post blaming kernel side of this happening
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08:24<augeas>jm_: so i am back to 2.6.30 from backports and did repeat 100+ times that command with no luck experiencing that annoying switch wich is good and bad
08:25<augeas>jm_: what is wrong with my kernel then :/
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08:26<kevix1>baffled: I think you 'rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin' and 'apt-get update' (but double check that first)
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08:27<jm_>augeas: ok kernel bisect would find this, but with so many changes it will be a looooooong process
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08:28<augeas>jm_: my knowledge is too low to go after kernel i am afraid
08:28<augeas>jm_: always does make oldconfig carefully chosing the differences and it should be more or less not a problem
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08:29<root>need help i have bought aspire 5738z but not able to install xp or vista in it showing error
08:30<jm_>augeas: yeah that's good enough for bisection
08:30<baffled>kevix1: thanks, I'll look at that.
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08:44<Mohsin>where you from?
08:44<root>i cang guess whre u from
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08:45<root>pak or india
08:45<root>ok wron guess
08:45*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
08:45<Mohsin>what do you?
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08:46<Mohsin>i dont understand
08:46<root>ass. system eng.
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08:47<themill>Mohsin, root: this isn't actually a social channel. If you want to chat, /join #debian-offtopic, /join #moocows or take it to a /msg
08:47<Mohsin>business man
08:48<Mohsin>produce homeland security
08:48<Mohsin>software and hardware
08:48<kmap>Mohsin: Please do NOT use this channel for chitchat. Please move to one of the channels listed by themill
08:49<root>ok themilca u help me i have bought aspire but not able 2 install xp or vista any suggestions
08:49<root>aspire 5738z
08:49<kmap>root: This is a channel for Debian related questions
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08:49<kmap>root: Please take your Windows related questions to a Windows forum. Thanks.
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08:50<root>any substitute for itune in debian
08:50<kmap>root: Rhuthmbox
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08:50<KTL>how can i make it so that when a file is marked with no-write that it cant be deleted too? without touching the parent map permissions? can ACLs help me here?
08:51<jm_>KTL: chattr can be used to make files immutable if that's what you want
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08:52<KTL>for everyone mmm ...
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08:54<KTL>something related: does anyone here about a tool that can tell me who can do what with a file? (the tool has to look at the permissions on the parent dir, if one of these blocks access then that has an influence)
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08:55<root>i have installed back track4 and my headphone port not working help
08:56<mercutio22>what is the equivalent of synaptic package manager in kde?
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08:56<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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08:57<themill>root: ^^ you're still in the wrong place no matter which way you look at it
08:57<kmap>mercutio22: I think it must be kpackagekit, I am unsure, though
08:57<themill>mercutio22: there's nothing stopping you using synaptic. (adept is supposed to be the alternative, I don't know if it still eats your first born though)
08:57<mercutio22>kmap: thaks
08:57<bremner>mercutio22: I suggest just use synaptic in kde
08:58<usuario_>ok im listening yours voices
08:58<mercutio22>bremner: any particular reason?
08:58<themill>mercutio22: "konsole -e sudo aptitude"
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08:58<bremner>mercutio22: my recollection is that the kde package managers are not as well developed
08:59<bremner>or, as themill suggests, just use aptitude in a terminal
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08:59<mercutio22>yea, I use aptitude, but I like the GUI for looking at info, triaging packages with mouse clicks etc
09:00<root>is linpus linux debian based
09:00<jmm>don't use the name of root in vain.
09:00<root>ok dude
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09:00<kmap>!tell root about linpus
09:01<bremner>mercutio22: understood. You can also try adept, the kde "equivalent" of synaptic. Maybe it got better lately.
09:02<kmap>Ah, adept it is.
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09:17<forlong2>I have a problem with my wifi card, chipset is rt2500 so it is correctly installed with the last debian, I have installed wpa_supplicant but when i try to connect to my network i got this
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09:19<gsimmons>forlong2: Which device, specifically? At a guess, you don't have userspace firmware installed for your device (provided by the firmware-ralink package in non-free).
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09:22<forlong2>it's a pci card hercule HWGPCI-54-V2 and no I have not installed any driver of firmware because the device is display correctly with iwconfig
09:22<forlong2>of = or
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09:23<gsimmons>forlong2: That doesn't matter. The driver for your device requests firmware when the radio is to be activated.
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09:25<forlong2>alright I'm gonna look into it thanks
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09:38<forlong2>it works thank you gsimmons :D
09:39<gsimmons>forlong2: np. Out of interest, what is your device's exact PCI ID? (lspci -nn | grep 1814)
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09:41<gsimmons>forlong2: Uh, that's incomplete. I was expecting either 0301 or 0302.
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09:43<forlong2>00:0a.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI [1814:0301]
09:43<forlong2>that's the entire line
09:43<gsimmons>Right, thanks.
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09:45<jricart>gsimmons, forlong2: according to the recommended driver (rt2500pci) to use doesn't require any firmware
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09:49<gsimmons>jricart: forlong2's device (which is actually RT2561-based) uses the rt61pci driver.
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09:50<jricart>gsimmons: oh! now I see.. sorry, my bad..
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10:18<d4n1s>Hello Ubuntu
10:18<d4n1s>How you doing?
10:19<cahoot>I think Ubuntu has left the room
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10:19<d4n1s>.... what a noobish answer
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10:20<cahoot>would suit you I guess
10:20<d4n1s>Yes it would
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10:21<d4n1s>I would like to discuss the reasons for installing linux into my computer
10:22<amphi>into what else were you thinking of installing it?
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10:22<d4n1s>I guess windows... or I was thinkin of getting a mac
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10:23<d4n1s>I don't want the disadvantages of windows coz I already know them. I need the advanatages/dis of linux
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10:23<yehia>hello, how to make my system work like this theme " " .... iam using ubuntu 10.4
10:24<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:25<dr^mart>debian-testing-1386 can be installed in virtual box?
10:25<yehia>any body here can answer my question ?
10:26<cahoot>yehia: ubuntu isn't on topic here
10:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
10:26<yehia>where can i get this topic ?
10:26<jmm>juste type /topic
10:26<d4n1s>I took a fast look at the link, and so far I can tell that windows have exacly what debian
10:27<cahoot>d4n1s: just use what suits you best
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10:27<yehia>jmm, what is the right topic which i should type it here to ask about my question ?
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10:27<d4n1s>Can you help me to choose what suits me best?
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10:27<jmm>yehia: oh channel, not topic, /join #ubuntu
10:27<amphi>yehia: /join #ubuntu on
10:27<yehia>oh ok
10:28<jmm>d4n1s: better try both before choosing.
10:28<jmm>ask questions about stuff you don't understand, won't help you.
10:28<d4n1s>I am talking u from ubuntu
10:28<d4n1s>I got windows in my main pc and ubuntu in my other
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10:29<jmm>so what do you think ? do you enjoy ubuntu ?
10:29<d4n1s>Not really.
10:29<cahoot>d4n1s: maybe you should really read the link I posted - seems you missed the point
10:29<d4n1s>If I am about to download an installitation from a site over internet rather than download manager I am having trouble installing it
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10:30<d4n1s>overall its almost the same as windows
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10:31<d4n1s>cahoot: I just read the main points, but it seems like windows is not lacking in any of them too.
10:31<jmm>so, if it's ( in your point of view ) the same than windows,
10:31<jmm>you should get at least 1 point in favor of linux, it's free.
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10:32<mercutio22>I have no internet connection on an asus 1008ha netbook. I found this: Then I followed and compiled the atl1e.ko module, but it is still not working. how can I check if the module is really loaded?
10:32<Bomby>vrun roman pe aici
10:32<augeas>mercutio22: lsmod
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10:32<mercutio22>I meant... no ethernet
10:32<d4n1s>jmm: If you think that i am not a stupid person I could easily google many free cd keys and activation crack for windows
10:33<jmm>not free as in free beer.
10:33<jmm>you didn't read what's cahoot said.
10:33<mercutio22>augeas: hmm... it is loaded indeed
10:33<jiohdi>anyone find that icedove stopped working after the last update? its says `GLIBC_2.1.3' is missing
10:33<d4n1s>Ok I will just give me some time
10:33<mercutio22>ifconfing shows no ethernet adapter though
10:34<cahoot>mercutio22: asking help with you ubuntu here is off topic
10:34<augeas>mercutio22: what about /etc/network/interfaces ? got all in order there ?
10:34<mercutio22>cahoot: I am on debian
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10:35<gsimmons>mercutio22: Uh, AIUI, your EeePC model requires use of the atl1c driver, not atl1e.
10:35<themill>d4n1s: you're still in the wrong place: /server ; /join #ubuntu
10:35<d4n1s>jmm: While reading I came up with a question, is it possitive that Linux are free? Doesnt this make linux developers have no motivation?
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10:35<d4n1s>Themil I am talking for linux in general
10:36<themill>d4n1s: in which case, tri ##linux on This isn't a discussion channel.
10:36<amphi>d4n1s: or #linuxhelp
10:36<d4n1s>:O than what it is?
10:36<themill>d4n1s: and try reading the things that people point you towards.
10:36<d4n1s>Ok could anyone answer my question before I leave?
10:37<mercutio22>gsimmons: really? how did you note that?
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10:38<gsimmons>mercutio22: Assuming is correct, "Atheros L1C" is the Ethernet chipset found within your model ; /msg dpkg atl1c
10:39<gsimmons>(that and atl1e is in Debian kernel images since linux-2.6 2.6.26-1)
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10:39<mercutio22>gsimmons: hmm I wonder why its not working here... I am using squeeze
10:40<mercutio22>gsimmons: I guess I should remove that module then?
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10:40<d4n1s>... Other channels are inactive... only ur active
10:41<gsimmons>mercutio22: If you want. What kernel are you using? (uname -r)
10:41<mercutio22>gsimmons: 2.6.32-trunk-686
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10:44<gsimmons>mercutio22: Is AR8131 or AR8132 listed in lspci output? Did you check "ifconfig -a"?
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10:47<mercutio22>gsimmons: Yeah, lspci does not show an ethernet adapter
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10:50<mercutio22>gsimmons: weird, by compiling the source I should have had the atl1c.ko module then right?
10:51<gsimmons>mercutio22: I don't see one, only your wireless adapter (AR9285) is present. Have you enabled Ethernet with your system's BIOS?
10:51<mercutio22>gsimmons: I haven't changed any bios settings as long as I know. just a sec I will check
10:51<ansgar>mercutio22: I had the problem that the ethernet adapter was disabled due to a bug (see
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10:53<ansgar>mercutio22: Maybe your problem is related? My wireless card was on another PCI bus (starting with 02:...) though.
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10:55<mercutio22>yeah, lan device is enabled in boot
10:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 408] by debhelper
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10:58<Lantizia>Hey I like to disable root access (I use sudo instead) on my servers and I normally do it by deleting and locking the passwd on root... but a web interface I need uses root to authenticate it's login so I can't lock or delete the root passwd - but would still like to disable root access on anything but that web interface. Any ideas?
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10:59<Lantizia>I'm thinking perhaps changing the shell anyone gets by logging in as root to nothingness... or disabling root via SSH - but what other possibilites could there be?
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11:01<mercutio22>what could cause my wired adapter not to show on lspci?
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11:03<ansgar>mercutio22: This issue I mentioned affects at least the 1005PE, 1005HA, 1201N models. So the 1008HA might be affected as well.
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11:06<Lantizia>mercutio22: could be on lsusb
11:06<mercutio22>ansgar: which issue? sorry I has have been disconnected
11:06<Lantizia>mercutio22: even internal adapters can be on the usb bus
11:06<ansgar>mercutio22: I had the problem that the ethernet adapter was disabled due to a bug (see
11:06<ansgar>mercutio22: Maybe your problem is related? My wireless card was on another PCI bus (starting with 02:...) though.
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11:14<mercutio22>Lantizia, ansgar: maybe its that "IMC networks" thing?
11:14<ansgar>mercutio22: No, my 1005PE has that as well. Maybe Bluetooth?
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11:15<gsimmons>No, webcam.
11:15<ravi>hi, I run Debian lenny with VIA K8M890CE VGA card and 23" Acer H235H monitor, I am not getting 1920x1080 reslution
11:15<gsimmons>mercutio22: Unless #debian-eeepc has any better ideas, try using 2.6.32-2-686 from unstable.
11:16<ravi>a max of 1680x1050 is shown on Screen Resolution Preferences and a gap of few inches on left and right comes
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11:17<ravi>how to get the full resolution, it comes fine in windows xp
11:17<mercutio22>ansgar: yeah... not the ethernet device
11:18<mercutio22>gsimmons: alright... I will move there
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11:18<ravi>I've used xserver-xorg-video-openchrome driver too
11:22<ravi>any pointers?
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11:24<orangegene>I'm experiencing some strange behavior with the music program audacious. The entire window including the playlist is just a white/grey box and the music is still playing. How can i begin searching to find out what is wrong/going on?
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11:34<jiohdi>anyone else have icedove quit on them after the recent updates?
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11:37<dsf7sd6f89s>Hello everybody
11:38<dsf7sd6f89s>how can i retrieve hidden proccess on my debian?
11:38<jiohdi>if I cannot get icedove back, any suggestions for a mail client that can handle google mail
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11:39<kop>dsf7sd6f89s: What do you mean "hidden"? "ps ax" shows all processes including those without a controlling tty.
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11:39<dsf7sd6f89s>You have 3 process hidden for ps command
11:39<dsf7sd6f89s>Checking `lkm'... You have 3 process hidden for readdir command
11:39<kop>dsf7sd6f89s: And what did you type to get that?
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11:40<dsf7sd6f89s>this is my rootkit log
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11:41<kop>dsf7sd6f89s: What rootkit? Sounds like it's something that should be explained in it's manual.
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11:41<Alexkup>Ïðèâåò âñåì !!
11:41<root2>hi all hope all is well
11:41<kop>!tell Alexkup about ru
11:42<jmm>!tell root2 about root
11:42<root2>ok lol
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11:42<root2>hi sam
11:42<jmm>lol it's not you that was logged as root earlier I hope !
11:42<root2>i usin bt4
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11:43<root2>linux i beleave
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11:44<dsf7sd6f89s>kop, its rkhunter, it showing me that i have bindshell infected
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11:44<samaira>just now i have written iso image of debian update dvd. the system is not recognising my dvdrw conected through usb, i have tried # mount command, but it is of no use. please guide me.
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11:45<augeas>ps x
11:45<kop>dsf7sd6f89s: Humm... Don't really know what that means. Unless it's a false alarm if your system has been rooted then the only way to be _sure_ you're clean is to wipe the disk and re-install. Gotta go.
11:45<kop>samaira: You might try the install guide at
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11:48<samaira>kop | i am not trying to install the os. i am trying to access the dvdrw connected through usb.
11:48<root2>just got a bot messaging me?
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11:50<root2>samaira what o/s u using?
11:50<samaira>debian lenny 5.0.4
11:51<kop>samaira: Are you the one with the usb/dvd problem?
11:51<root2>mmmm is there no help on there site or forum search?
11:51<kop>samaira: You installed, and now you can't see the usb dvd?
11:52<kop>samaira: You might very well benefit from using a newer kernel. Get one from There are instructions on that site. (It's 'semi-official' debian.)
11:52<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list>
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11:53<root2>she's off like a rocket !!!! lol
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12:11<samaira>when i connect the external dvdrw, the system is freezing. please help me.
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12:14<mao_>Is there a russian debian channel around?
12:14<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
12:15<mao_>oh shitnode
12:15<mao_>no thanks
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12:18<mao_>I would also use a word made by concatenation of a really offencive word for "jew" and "node".
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12:26<mao_>Hmm are there any WMs which IRCs are being hosted here, not on stupidnode?
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12:30<sney>mao_: /list
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12:31<mercutio22>all the options in the kde login manager are greyed out. Help says I need to use administrator mode. how do I do that?
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12:31<mercutio22>I see no adm mode button
12:32<Guest178>as far as i know that is something that is gonna be fixed in 4.4
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12:32<Guest178>but plz visit #debian-kde for support
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12:33<mercutio22>ok.. thnaks
12:33<mao_>sney: wow that's a really good advice, thank you very much!
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12:34<avu>mao_, wmii and dwm, also awesome iirc
12:35<dacorsa>someone can read this ^^^^
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12:35<mao_>I read that dante_2core
12:35<mao_> dacorsa
12:35<mao_>avu: thanks
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12:37<mao_>someone can read this ^^^^
12:37<mao_>i can
12:37<dante_2core>mao_: wut? :P
12:38<mao_>dante_2core: sorry, false alarm
12:38<dante_2core>:D *tips hat*
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12:39<dacorsa>ok but do you know how solve?
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12:45<mao_>Hello, I would like to report op abuse
12:45<mao_>where can I do this?
12:45<MeglaW>msg me
12:45<MeglaW>i'll handle it
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12:47<mao_>MeglaW: i was banned at #sidux for talking about rape and molestion
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12:47<MeglaW>yes, sounds like you deserve it.
12:47<MeglaW>is it offtopic, expect to be kicked.
12:48<mao_>I expected to be kicked.
12:48<mao_>it didnt come to my mind
12:48<mao_>that i could be banned
12:48<MeglaW>well now u know
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12:48<sney>I think it's #oftc or maybe #support for general network whining
12:48<MeglaW>better luck next life or nick and host.
12:49<mao_>MeglaW: wow, ban evading is very rude and offencive
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12:50<yehia>i want to change permission - can any one help me
12:50<Torsten_W>then do that
12:51<yehia>how can i change the permission to access some folder
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12:51<mao_>Sorry I dont have permissons to answer your question yehia
12:51<mao_>pls change my permissions first
12:51<sney>yehia: read 'man chmod'
12:51<sney>!ops mao_ is trolling here, too
12:51<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: mao_ is trolling here, too
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12:51<mao_>yehia: chmod <mode> directory
12:52<yehia>mao_ why you dont have permission to answer my question?
12:52<mao_>it was a joke
12:52<mao_>chmod a+rwx /home
12:52<mao_>replace home with your directory
12:53<yehia>mao_ can we talk in private ?
12:53<azeem_>mao_: don't give ill advise, please
12:53<mao_>azeem_: ( mao_) replace home with your directory
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13:14<shawncm217>I'm having trouble with the official US mirror. It freezes during install after downloading package 810 of 810 and it crashes during updates saying a file could not be found. (It never lists the file.) I tried coming here over the weekend and a user suggested it was a transparent proxy on my ISP causing the issue. I'm now at work, on a different ISP and am still having the issue.
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13:17<yehia>i need some one to be patient with me please
13:17<yehia>i need some help
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13:19<amphi>!tell yehia -about ask
13:19<bremner>shawncm217: why not try a different mirror? there is a big list.
13:20<yehia>i have a tar.gz file and i need to extract it in some folder - this folder where i need to extract in is not giving me a permission to extract in it , i dont know what to do
13:20<yehia>here is the link for what i need to extract
13:20<yehia>i have it on my desktop now
13:21<amphi>yehia: where are you trying to extract it to?
13:22<yehia>amphi i try to extract it in the ( usr/share/fluxbox/style )
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13:23<amphi>yehia: you could just extract it in ~/.fluxbox/style or whatever (ie. in your $HOME)
13:23<shawncm217>bremner: Ideally, I'd like to verify the US on is broken and get it fixed. Plus, I have the same issue on other mirrors. Occasionally, I find one that works, but it still doesn't always find updates and even when it does the "Install Updates" button on the GUI doesn't work. I click it and nothing happens.
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13:23<yehia>the folder is not giving me a permission to extract it in there
13:24<amphi>yehia: in any case, your user cannot extract it under /usr/share
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13:24<yehia>ok guide mep lease
13:24<amphi>yehia: in ~/.fluxbox/styles ?
13:24<yehia>can we talk in private and show you what i did
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13:25<amphi>or does fluxbox stuff go under ~/.config now? I don't use fb myself
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13:27<amphi>yehia: if you don't need the theme installed system-wide, ie. available to multiple users, better put it wherever in $HOME fluxbox wants it; man fluxbox will tell you where, I expect
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13:27<retrospectacus>just be root when you untar it, then you can write to /usr/share
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13:32<lancelot_of>hi all since today i get "ERROR: Cannot find installation directory.
13:32<lancelot_of>" when i launch acroread...any suggestion?
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13:38<sney>lancelot_of: use epdfviewer? I haven't touched the adobe one in a long time
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13:40<mao_>Hello, can someone help me with emacs?
13:40<mao_>I am trying to activate
13:40<mao_>however when i press shift+arrow
13:40<lancelot_of>sney, maybe i'll do, but i want to understand what happened without my will
13:40<mao_>nothing happens
13:41<lancelot_of>mao_, #emacs on freenode
13:41<mao_>lancelot_of: sorry, i cant go to freenode
13:41<sney>it's against his religion
13:41<sney>I guess you're up a creek then mao
13:42<lancelot_of>mao_, np,it was just a suggestion ;)
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14:12<ikarus>damn, why did upgrading the kernel within lenny suddenly cause the kernel to get too large for lilo to load ?
14:12<ikarus>is the limit machine specific and was I just barely on the line so far ?
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14:20<sney>ikarus: it might be lilo specific
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14:21<jv>after trying almost all the distros out there I am finally going to check debian
14:22<sney>saving the best for last? ;)
14:22<sney>what did you like so far
14:22<jv>yes, but having a problem in install with lazy unetbootin method
14:22<jv>can't install :)
14:22<jv>can't find cdrom
14:23<jv>with arch all I had to do was mount sdb into /src
14:23<jv>and the install would work
14:23<khades_>good night
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14:23<sney>if you want to do the same kind of install as a mount-and-bootstrap, we have debootstrap
14:24<sney>there is also the netinst cdrom iso which can be burned to a cd or loaded from a USB stick/sd card/other removable media
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14:24<jv>ah! saw briefly the mention to debootstrap but didn't pay too much attention :(
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14:25<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
14:25<jv>sney. Problem is that this netbook does not have cdrom ..I downloaded the iso and using unetbootin extract the iso to the usb drive
14:25<sney>there are a couple more steps to a usb install than that
14:26<sney>it can't understand an extracted iso
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14:26<sney>what netbook is it?
14:26<jv>eeepc 1000h
14:26<sney>ah, I have nearly the same one.
14:26<jv>great small thingy, huh?
14:26<sney>install squeeze following the USB install method from the debian installer manual:
14:26<sney>!usb install
14:26<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
14:27<sney>and check out #debian-eeepc as well, we/they have a lot of tips and tricks
14:27<jv>k, tx
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15:01<chealer>I'm experiencing a num lock issue under testing since a few months. Is it a known issue that keys are interpreted as digits when the num lock light is off, and vice versa?
15:02<james_>Never had that happen to me. Do you have a big reason to use num lock?
15:03<chealer>I just realize this is related to the num lock state on the laptop's keyboard (the issue is on my USB keyboard plugged to the laptop)
15:03<chealer>it looks like enabling num lock on the laptop makes the other keyboard work as expected
15:03<chealer>james_: no
15:04<james_>Hmm. Interesting.
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15:13<dante_2core>always fun to see new ppl on IRC xD
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15:14<james_>We were all that way once.
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15:14<james_>I'm one to talk. lol
15:15<dante_2core>took me forever to even notice IRC was around, haha
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15:15<james_>No kidding? I knew it existed, I just had no idea how fast it was if you needed help.
15:16<james_>Forums are the way of the past.
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15:16*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
15:16<dante_2core>mmh I just talked to friends on MSN messenger - started using IRC only after switching to linux and needing help
15:16<dante_2core>themill: sorry, thanks for the pointer.
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15:18<james_>dante_2core: He has a good point.
15:18<james_>themill: I apologize as well.
15:18<urbinek>how to manual recheck log files in fail2ban ?
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15:25<gernot>Hi guys. Squeeze simply freezes a few times a day. How can I investigate this? /var/log/dmesg doesn't contain any obvious errors.
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15:27<kop>gernot: Anything on the console? (Use a serial console and log the output.?)
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15:29<gernot>kop, a serial konsole is something for servers, isn't it? We're talking about a laptop computer here.
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15:36<dkr>gernot: he meant virtual console. i.e. ctl-alt-F1
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15:36<dkr>or just anything displaye don your screen at the time of the crash like a kernel panic message
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15:38<gernot>dkr, ah, well once the system freezes I can't switch to a vt. And I haven't yet spent all day in a vt. The freezes don't happen often enough for me to notice pattern.
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15:41<dkr>considering there is nothing written to logs, I'd run some test ont he disks, i.e. smartctl and hdparm
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15:44<gernot>The hardware is fine. So I assume looking into the logs in /var really is the thing to do? There's not another kind of debug log I would have to enable or something?
15:45<kop>gernot: Laptops used to all have serial ports. I don't know about these days. You'd have to look. There's very likely one in there somewhere, but whether there's a plug or not is another question.
15:46<kop>gernot: But then you'd need another computer (or terminal) to plug into the serial port.
15:46<gernot>kop, interesting. I'm sure this one doesn't have such a plug though.
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15:47<kop>gernot: In my imagination a usb port would substitute, but I don't know that there's any correspondance with reality in that thought.
15:48<gernot>Isn't there something with sending logs over the network for this kind of situation?
15:48<kop>gernot: It does work the other way, you can get a usb to serial converter that will let you use a usb port to monitor a serial console.
15:49<kop>gernot: Yes, all the syslog programs will do that (man rsyslog.conf (?). But that won't really help if it's a real hard crash.
15:50<gernot>Right. Well, maybe I'll try to keep a little xterm open for a while then.
15:50<gernot>Thanks to both of you.
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15:52<kop>gernot: Here's an answer:
15:53<kop>gernot: Install linux-doc then zless /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.26/Documentation/serial-console.txt.gz and run a serial console over usb.
15:53<kop>gernot: (Except that it won't be that version in squeeze.)
15:54<gernot>kop, I'll do that. Thanks.
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15:55<kop>gernot: Interesting. It also says you can use a network device as a console. There's less to go wrong and lock up with serial consoles though.
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16:14<Gbash>Debian Gurus
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16:14<james_>I have a question of philosophy. Why is it that some GNU software is considered incompatible, license-wise, with Debian?
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16:15<themill>dpkg: tell james_ about gfdl
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16:16<beojan>james: the gnu free documentation license allows certain parts to be marked unmodifiable
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16:17<james_>That's spitting at the idea of free software.
16:17<beojan>now imagine someone creates something, releases it under the GFDL (free according to GNU), and marks the whole thing as unmodifiable (properly called an invariant section)
16:17<beojan>it's nolonger free by GNU standards
16:17<james_>So they shot themselves in the foot...
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16:18<beojan>The free doc license is only GNU free by decree, not by the letter, nor spirirt of the law
16:18<james_>That does explain quite a bit.
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16:19<james_>I'm glad Debian leaders decided they'd remain free even if GNU does not.
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16:24<bremner>james_: feel free to ask on #fsf on freenode if you want a different answer :)
16:25<james_>bremner: That's a great idea!
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16:25<bremner>actually, it was a joke. I think the resulting discussion is not too illuminating. Your mileage may vary.
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16:26<james_>What I was thinking was, before making judgments, it might not be a bad idea to see what the "experts" believe.
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16:26<bremner>james_: yes. that is true.
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16:27<bremner>probably I am just a bit overexposed to the discussion.
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16:29<beojan>there is a reason they chose to put that in
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16:29<beojan>they wanted to prevent people who distribute non-free software with EMACS from removing the GNU manifesto
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16:30<james_>Which gets them more publicity.
16:30<beojan>what they should have done is just put the GNU manifest into the GPL
16:30<james_>But then people would use another license, I'm sure.
16:30<beojan>people can ship emacs without documentation, but not without the license
16:30<azeem>please take this to #debian-offtopic
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16:46<james_>Okay, stupid question.
16:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper
16:47<james_>I gave the info for freenode and joined #fsf. It's not letting me send anything.
16:47<james_>Is there something I'm doing wrong?
16:47<themill>james_: you probably want to ask in #freenode on that network.
16:48<james_>I'll give it a try, themill.
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16:51<kop>IIRC freenode is now requiring registered nics.
16:51<sney>I think they've had that requirement for years
16:51<james_>It is? Where do I go to get one?
16:51<sney>with nickserv, iirc it's /msg nickserv password email
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16:52<themill>It's not a network requirement, but it may be a channel requirement
16:52<babilen>james_: try "/msg nickserv help register"
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16:53<james_>Okay, finally.
16:53<james_>Thanks, kenyon.
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16:55<kop>Krudly. My iceweasel does not seem to be rendering window content any more. Time to kill it an start over I guess.
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16:57<kenyon>kop: killing iceweasel, almost a daily occurrence for me :(
16:57<kop>It won't killall, I'll have to use the pid.
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16:59<debacle>Hi my eth card is dropping packets apparently without reasons. Can anyone help me ?
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17:00<babilen>debacle: Have you tried different uplinks?
17:00<debacle>how can i see if the eth driver is working ?
17:01<debacle>babilen: yes, about 5 ! but i think it eth problem ...
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17:02<debacle>i have an intel 82571EB and this card has always had problems.
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17:02<babilen>which NIC do you use? (paste output of 'lspci -nn|grep -i network'
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17:02<sney>I think that's an e1000
17:03<sney>normally very good
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17:03<augeas>does anyone know where can i edit the "Open with..." list in gnome - squeeze ?
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17:04<debacle>0e:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:105e] (rev 06)
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17:04<babilen>,pciid 8086:105e
17:04<judd>[8086:105e] is '82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also
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17:05<mizmoose>Anyone got a moment to help with a simple partman issue? I'm way out of practice.
17:05<babilen>debacle: The problem you have is, that the NIC works, but you lose a lot of packets? And you tried different uplinks ...
17:06<babilen>mizmoose: Ask your question and somebody will help if he/she knows the answer
17:06<debacle>balbien Ip is !!!!
17:06<babilen>debacle: so?
17:07<mizmoose>thanks babilen.
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17:08<debacle>babilen: yes... i've tryed 5 cables ... one *NEW*. all cables works with other interfaces
17:08<debacle>babilen: try to ping
17:08<mizmoose>in short, someone has a partman recipe that's failing. the last bit is to create a /tmp partition and that's not happening. The recipe makes a boot-root partition, a swap area, and 5 other ext2 partitions
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17:08<mizmoose>the math looks fine, the only thing we can think of is that there's some limit to how many logical partitions it can make
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17:08<mizmoose>if there's a pastebin or somesuch I can put up the recipe
17:09<babilen>debacle: Ok - I actually meant uplinks as in ISP. You might not be able to change that. Do other hosts on the network suffer packet loss as well? I ask because it was almost always the uplink whenever we faced something like that.
17:09<babilen>augeas: right click on file -> properties -> open with -> tick default/use this from now on or something like that
17:10<babilen>mizmoose: (i can't help with partman though)
17:11<debacle>babilen: well i cannot change uplink. i can tell that placing my noteboot with the same configuration in place of the linux box gave me no problems !
17:11<mizmoose> for anyone who might have an idea
17:12<debacle>babilen: do not you think it's strange ? it seems something goes crazy when i try to reduce eth speed
17:13<babilen>debacle: How did you measure the packet loss?
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17:15<debacle>babilen: i simply ping the gateway from the linux client and i loose a loot of echo request. If i ping the host ( i loose a lot of echo requests. Any other way ?
17:16<debacle>ifconfig tell me RX packets:1130 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
17:16<debacle>and quite the same for tx
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17:19<debacle>is there a way to force linux to redetect / reindex pci cards ?
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17:19<babilen>debacle: Is it online now? Do you block ICMP traffic? inbound/outbound?
17:20<babilen>debacle: you can just remove/reinsert the module (modprobe -r e1000e && modprobe e1000e)
17:20<lorenita>hay alguien de estepona
17:20<babilen>debacle: What do you mean with 'reindex'
17:20<babilen>!tell lorenita -about es
17:20<debacle>no echo request block
17:21<debacle>i've simple restored autoneg on.
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17:22<lorenita>hay alguien de estepona??
17:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
17:22<babilen>lorenita: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
17:22<lorenita>babilen tu eres de estepona?¿
17:23<babilen>lorenita: no
17:23<lorenita>y de donde sos??
17:23<babilen>lorenita: stop it please
17:23<debacle>babilen: for reindex a mean a new hardware detection.
17:23<debacle>babilen: i'll try a modprobe
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17:23<babilen>debacle: ok - You could have meant ethN naming issues.
17:23<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para debian en Espanol por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es
17:24<lorenita>hay alguien de estepona ???
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17:24<sney>!ops lorenita no comprende
17:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: lorenita no comprende
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17:25<babilen>debacle: I get quit some packet loss too when i try to ping you. and mtr readings do not look well too. You might want to try a newer kernel :-\
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17:25<babilen>debacle: Although e1000e is commonly used ...
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17:26<debacle>babilen: modprobe has frozen the os. It's a driver problem i think
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17:27<babilen>debacle: completely frozen?
17:27<debacle>babilen: anyway the card has stopped to work today and it was working very good. Apparently no reason.
17:27<debacle>babilen: yes, completely frozen ! :-)
17:27<babilen>debacle: might be a hardware issue
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17:28<babilen>debacle: alt+print+REISUB (press R - wait - E - wait - ... - wait - B) reboot
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17:29<debacle>babilen: i've already reinstalled kernel via aptitude ... but with no luck.
17:29<babilen>debacle: You could try a backported kernel for lenny
17:29<babilen>!tell debacle -about bpo
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17:30<babilen>debacle: But I doubt that this will help anyhting - Are you sure that the NIC is fine?
17:30<babilen>!tell debacle -about sysrq
17:30<Noturno99>hi people. my debian show to use in terminal: apt-get autoremove, but a lot of importante packages will be lost, what I have to do? onetime this happen with me and I lost all my important programs...
17:30<debacle>babilen: alt+print+REISUB (press R - wait - E - wait - ... - wait - B). do not work ... os frozen
17:30<babilen>debacle: OK - It works most of the time for "frozen" systems ...
17:31<babilen>debacle: You have to hold alt+print while pressing R - E ... - B
17:32<debacle>Yes the NIC is OK ... It's the second time it has this problem ... i had similar thingh about a hear ago (with lenny/testing). I reinstalled and all worked until this morning !
17:32<babilen>Noturno99: Use aptitude and paste the output - I guess you want to take a look at 'aptitude unmarkauto'
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17:32<babilen>debacle: weird
17:33<babilen>debacle: It might still be your ISP
17:33<Noturno99>i use debian in pt-bt
17:33<Noturno99>says that 1700 packages not installes
17:34<debacle>babilen: no it isn't :-( I think there is some strange EFI thing
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17:34<debacle>I'll do a fresh install ...
17:34<Noturno99>portugues brazil
17:35<babilen>ok ... good luck. drastic measure though :\
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17:35<babilen>Noturno99: 'man aptitude' -> 'unmarkauto' ... unmark all packages you want to keep
17:36<babilen>Noturno99: If you don't paste the output, I can't help you. You can run 'LANG=C aptitude ...'
17:36<debacle>babilen: BTW: Hardware is "Apple Mac Pro" and apple use a non standard EFI.
17:36<babilen>Noturno99: Paste your command as well
17:36<Noturno99>look at this
17:36<babilen>debacle: hmm, good luck then
17:36<debacle>babilen: Thanks a million !!!
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17:37<babilen>Noturno99: Of which command is this the output?
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17:38<debacle>babilen: the last tip. Never Buy Apple !! It's the best way to think different ! :)
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17:38<Noturno99>here, i used aptitude unmarkauto now:
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17:38<Noturno99>can I remove all of this?
17:39<babilen>Noturno99: You want to: "aptitude unmarkauto <pkg>" for all packages that you want to keep. Start with some gnome meta-packages. '/msg dpkg install gnome' to learn what meta packages are available. (gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment, ...)
17:40<Noturno99>i would like to know if can I remove this?
17:40<babilen>Noturno99: you *can* remove them - but i doubt that you actually want to. do you use gnome?
17:40<Noturno99>i use gnome, yes
17:40<babilen>Noturno99: Why do you want to remove gnome then? Which command is this the output of? Have you removed some packages prior to this?
17:41<Noturno99>no.. i just put 'aptitude unmarkauto'
17:41<babilen>Noturno99: And as I said -> '/msg dpkg install gnome' ... I would start with 'aptitude install gnome-core' or 'aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment'
17:41<Noturno99>before, i had installed some programs..
17:42<Noturno99>it's very strange
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17:47<Noturno99>babile: thanks
17:47<Noturno99>I have to go now
17:47<Noturno99>thanks too much
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18:27<kz0>sorry for the stupid question. wanted to try out debian, but I'm confused by the different architecture the different images come for. I'm currently using 32-bit (x86?) Windows. Do I want the i386 image?
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18:28<kz0>(Thanks in advance for any replies :))
18:28<koollman>kz0: yes, you want i386
18:28<kz0>ok, thanks :)
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18:39<Gunter>hi. i'm running debian stable and want to connect my samsung yp-z5 to my computer. i checked udev's libmtp7 rules and compared it to dmesg's output when plugging in the player. the "idVendor" and "idProduct" fields match perfectly, but still there is no device created under /dev. can anybody give me a hint?
18:41<goodger_>Gunter: when you say there is no device created, what device name are you looking for?
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18:44<Gunter>ls /dev/sd* displays my both other usb devices but not the player. ls /dev/hd* gives me an hdc and an hdd. trying to mount those ends up with mount telling me: "no medium found"
18:45<Gunter>an /dev/hdb doesn't seem to exist. very strange...
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18:46<goodger_>/dev/hda and /dev/hdb belong to devices plugged into your motherboard's primary master and slave IDE ports, respectively
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18:46<goodger_>evidently your HDDs or HDD/CDROM are plugged into the secondary master and slave ports
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18:48<Gunter>hda is my hard disk and - i'm sorry - hdc and hdd are my optical drives
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18:48<Gunter>was so eager to find a device file... :|
18:48<goodger>your primary slave socket is empty, then
18:49<goodger>hmm... about the player, you will need to ensure it presents itself as a mass storage medium
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18:50<goodger>googling links me to a review that tells me it defaults to some proprietary Windows Media protocol
18:50<kenyon>gah, the debian GFDL position is so annoying. fail
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18:51<goodger>Gunter: my first suggestion, therefore, would be that it is not set to USB Mass Storage mode, and you should set it manually
18:52<goodger>kenyon: that bug is about a maintainer's failure to create a non-free package for the documentation
18:52<goodger>do you have a question?
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18:53<kenyon>goodger: nope, just complaining.
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19:56<shaggy_>Hey, what updates the motd again? I check /etc/init.d/ but nada there
19:56<gsimmons>dpkg: motd
19:56<dpkg>somebody said motd was the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd. /etc/motd is a symbolic link to /var/run/motd on Debian systems, see motd(5) and motd.tail(5) for further information.
19:57<shaggy_>thanks i look into it
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20:20<guyhoozdis>ello, I'm looking into updating my kernel.
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20:20<guyhoozdis>I haven't done that in a LONG time... anybody around to help?
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20:22<Guest217>can someone tell me how to disable the sound that beeps every time i press backspace on login screen.. or reboot? I've tried 10 methods already
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20:23<dpkg>To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>.
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20:26<Guest217> "xset b off" in X, what does it mean by "in X"
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20:27<amdgoon>in X-Window System
20:27<amdgoon>or Xorg (?)
20:27<Guest217>xorg? you sure?
20:28<amdgoon>well, in the X gui
20:28<Guest217>unless i'm misunderstanding you. Why would it tell me to do that for system sounds
20:29<sney>there are clearly 2 different suggestions thre, Guest217
20:29<sney>if you need to turn off console beeps when not in the GUI, it is "setterm -blength 0" as dpkg just told you
20:30<sney>or set -o vi to stop it from beeping on tabs
20:31<Guest217>I tried the first two and they didn't work
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20:32<sney>there is also the hardware method of disconnecting the pc speaker
20:33<Guest217>The beeps come from the speakers every time I go to gdm.. or backspace in gdm when there is nothing.
20:33<Guest217>But i'ts really loud... I think it's comming from the actual speakers i'm using.. as in my 5.1 setup
20:33<sney>hmm, gdm
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20:34<Guest217>like dangerously loud
20:34<abrotman>that's normal
20:34<sney>so you'd need to tell xinit to do xset b off when gdm starts. You may be able to do it in gdm.conof
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20:34<sney>.conf even
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20:35<Guest217>Might be normal. But It's startles me even when i'm aware that it will happen... I'm talking very... very loud
20:35<Guest217>lemme try that
20:37<abrotman>you could .. turn the speakers down
20:37<amdgoon>xset q will list the bell state for an xterm; and what abrotman said
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20:38<Guest217>speakers don't have physical control of volume
20:38<Guest217>and lowering my linux volume isn't doing much
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20:39<abrotman>wtf kind of speakers don't have a volume knob ?
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20:39<sney>it's probably inconveniently located on the sub
20:39<Guest217>how does that matter in any way abrotman ?
20:40<amdgoon>xset b has the option of setting the volume, see the man page.
20:40<abrotman>Guest217: i meant to make it less annoying now, while you figure this out
20:41<Guest217>oh.. yeah, i can't
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20:41<Guest217>chugging the xset b 0 to the /etc/gdm/Init/Default?
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20:45<martin__>I'm guest217. Nothing
20:45<martin__>the noise is most definitely coming from the 5.1 speakers..
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20:56<mohand>i need help
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20:56<sney>he came, he asked, he left
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20:58<martin__>no one else gets or had the same problem?
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20:58<sparr>The OpenJDK javaws complains that jnlp files are not being cached in /home/sparr/.netx/cache/http/variousdomainnames/directories/filenames.jnlp while the Sun javaws complains that the network is unreachable and the jnlp files cannot be loaded from the web. Help?
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21:00<sney>martin__: I don't use gdm. maybe someone in #gnome-debian on would know
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21:01<martin__>if those 2 people in that channel are available eheh
21:02<sney>or just regular #gnome
21:02<martin__>ahah are you sure those are right? I'll check the channel list
21:04<martin__>other way around :P
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21:14<martin__>uhg.. this is just so annoying
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21:17<geekilized>hello everyone
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21:21<thayer>how do i install flash player?
21:22<abrotman>!tell thayer about adobe flash
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21:26<thayer>ok thanks everyoner
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21:34<geekilized>hello everyone
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21:37<geekilized>can anyone here help me ? i am new to debian
21:37<james_>Sure, what did you need?
21:37<geekilized>i have a few questions
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21:38<james_>That's what we're here for. :)
21:38<geekilized>is it safe for me to uninstall evolution?
21:39<james_>Yeah, if you don't like it.
21:40<geekilized>but when i mark it for removal why does it list gnome-desktop-enviornment as a package to be removed?
21:40<james_>Did you choose "complete removal"?
21:41<sney>gnome-desktop-environment probably depends on something provided by evolution
21:41<geekilized>so how can i safely remove evolution
21:41<sney>mail-reader, maybe
21:42<ehren>is there a way to find out which user killed a particular process (in a multiuser environment)?
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21:44<geekilized>is there a way to safely remove evolution?
21:44<chealer>geekilized: it is safe, yes
21:44<chealer>geekilized: gnome-desktop-environment is a metapackage. is it not needed to have the GNOME DE.
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21:45<geekilized>thanks chealer thanks a lot
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21:48<chiku>does my svnserve listen ipv4 hosts?
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21:54<geekilized>i have a question about kernels
21:54<sney>ask away
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21:56<sney>oh that reminds me I was going to take a closer look at the configuration of the current default testing kernel
21:56<geekilized>how do i install latest kernels? i am running on virtualbox and i tried to install guest additions and it said the kernel does not support something(i forgot what exactly it was)
21:57<geekilized>it said install kernel 2.6.27 or greater
21:57<sney>I think there is a vbox 2.6.30 in backports, hmm
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21:58<sney>what is the current output of uname -r ?
21:59<sney>you can get a newer kernel from backports. type /msg dpkg bpo for instructions
22:00<geekilized>on a terminal? it says no such file or directory
22:00<sney>no on irc
22:01<sney>dpkg is our bot
22:01<dpkg>sney: I give up, what is it?
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22:16<kardan_>hi, my atmel wifi card cant establish an encrypted connection: Bad password. the used networks are known to work for other machines. open nets are no problem. (dmesg only says: atmel_cs 1.0: firmware: requesting atmel_at76c504_2958-wpa.bin)
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22:17<gsimmons>kardan_: By encryption, do you mean WPA or WEP?
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22:17<_knight>hi, could any one help me understand solution to bug#567491? basically udev loaded input devices more than once and xserver-xrog cannot start
22:18<kardan_>gsimmons: somehow both. people say the networks are wpa encrypted, but the iwlist, wicd and others say WEP
22:19<abrotman>gsimmons: do you know much about the other WPA drivers? I was trying to use an AP over the weekend and it was the first time i'd used that machine with WPA, and it would get an IP, but couldn't actually do anything useful like query dns or go anywhere by IP
22:19<gsimmons>kardan_: It's likely WPA, but is being incorrectly reported. For your information, the atmel_cs driver doesn't support WPA.
22:19<abrotman>i thought maybe trying something like another WPA driver if that were a possible issue
22:19<gsimmons>abrotman: If it helps, I've listed drivers not supporting WPA in the 'nowpa' factoid. Were you using one of these?
22:19<abrotman>it is .. broadcom-sta IIRC
22:20<abrotman>it did work fine from windows (dual boot netbook HP 1150nr)
22:21*abrotman didn't think orinoco supported WPA at all, with or without firmware
22:22<gsimmons>abrotman: Hrm, that one (wl) should be fine. Yes, orinoco supports WPA, but only WPA1-TKIP.
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22:23<abrotman>gsimmons: i'll have to try it with another WPA AP. Another thought is that the AP was set for b/g/n connections, but changing it to just 'g' didn't change anything
22:23<_knight>how use write udev rules to prevent some device from being created under /dev?
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22:28<gsimmons>abrotman: Is your device one of the low-power BCM4312s? The b43 driver in 2.6.32 supports these now, at a basic level ; /msg dpkg bcm4312
22:28<abrotman>gsimmons: it is a 4312 .. not sure if it's low power
22:29*abrotman really does not enjoy broadcom hardware
22:30<abrotman>though i'd think if the b43 driver would have worked with it, the system would have tried to load that instead of the wl
22:30<gsimmons>Not if you blacklisted b43 (which is done by default in broadcom-sta now).
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22:30<abrotman>lovely ..
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22:40<johns>Anything I can restart to kick devkit-disks-da? Currently using 99% of CPU and making my laptop smell like burning.
22:40<johns>-daemon ;)
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22:41<kardan_>gsimmons: thanks for this info. btw my problem is exactly the same like here: - i just upgraded from lenny to squeeze too ( SMP i686)
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22:55<Azuvix>Hmm. Somebody tell me to go to #debian-offtopic so I can justify it.
22:56<sney>Azuvix: take it to #debian-offtopic
22:56<Azuvix>sney: Finally, I was beginning to think using gNewSense's new kernel wasn't working for the wireless.
22:57<Azuvix>sney: Thanks.
22:57<sney>heh, even
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22:59<Lillymon>My problems with Phonon backends are really starting to grate. My main music player is Amarok, and both Xine and GStreamer have problems. Xine plays everything right, but cuts off the last three seconds when stopping at the end of a track. GStreamer doesn't have that problem, but simply refuses to play any audio encoded by losslessONE (which happens to comprise about a quarter of my music).
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23:00<Lillymon>Am I just going to have live with this or is there something I can try to fix one or both backends?
23:01<Lillymon>I'm on GStreamer now, until I get tired of not having my FLCL music, then I'll switch back to Xine until I can't stand having the ends of tracks cut off any more, then it's back to GStreamer...
23:01<Azuvix>Lillymon: I took you for an anime fan. But that's beside the point.
23:02<Lillymon>According to the Amarok developers, the Xine problem is known to happen. I can find few references to this specific GStreamer problem, but don't know where the fault is (or if the lack of a problem means I'm the only one having it).
23:03<Lillymon>Amusingly, the exact same problem has appeared on this PC on Kubuntu Karmic with OSSv4 and Debian Squeeze with ALSA 1.0.21.
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23:03<Lillymon>The only commonalities are the hardware and KDE.
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23:05<Lillymon>All of my problems seem related to sound recently. The Phonon backends, my webcam not outputting sound (I'm trying to troubleshoot that on the Debian User Forums), and I had to restart ALSA earlier when it started glitching on me.
23:06<abrotman>tried not using KDE?
23:07<Lillymon>No, but Amarok only outputs to Phonon these days, so it's not so much a case of dumping KDE as it is a case of dumping Amarok. I did actually try Exaile recently, but it just couldn't match up to Amarok.
23:08<Lillymon>As far as I know, only Amarok and system sounds use Phonon on this PC. Everything else goes directly to ALSA.
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23:08<abrotman>quod libet?
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23:08<abrotman>guess it doesn't actually solve the problem, just work around it
23:10<Lillymon>That was my thought. I've considered mpd with a graphical frontend (it'd be nice to not need X for my music), but Phonon really should work. There's also the possibility that I may use other apps that rely on Phonon in the future.
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23:11<chealer>Lillymon: well, your problems "sound" like a bug or several bugs. you could search bug reports or file some.
23:11<Lillymon>GStreamer seems the most promising frontend. All of the files it won't play are FLAC files, so I could remux them to Vorbis or even to FLAC (my self-encoded FLAC files play perfectly, something about lossslessONE's file really rile GStreamer it seems).
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23:12<Lillymon>It seems preposterous to remux files that play perfectly for thousands of other users though.
23:14<Lillymon>I did once try a Google search for losslessone and gstreamer, which produced three results (nearly a Googlewhack!), none of which seemed to be discussing the two together.
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23:16<Lillymon>My best guess would be to file a bug report with GStreamer for this. Or would the KDE Bugzilla be the place to start?
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23:18<Lillymon>Seems curious that I could end up filing bugs on the KDE and GNOME bugzillas for the same problem.
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23:24<Rhapsody>If I'd know how long Lillymon would remain my main handle, I'd have given it more thought back in March 2001...
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23:25<Rhapsody>Right, screw it. I'll start on the KDE bugzilla.
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23:33<chealer>Rhapsody: does gstreamer read the problematic files in non-KDE applications?
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23:36<Rhapsody>I haven't tested, and I'm not sure how to. It would be good to try it though, what would be the easiest way?
23:39<Rhapsody>Hmm, Exaile depends on GStreamer.
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23:43<Rhapsody>One thing that's rather curious is that all files, even the ones the GStreamer backend won't play, have moodbar information. I say this is curious because the moodbar application uses GStreamer to parse the files to get this information.
23:44<Rhapsody>Exaile is playing a losslessONE file right now. This must be a Phonon problem then, GStreamer itself can play the files.
23:46<Rhapsody>Well I could just play these specific files in Exaile as a workaround...
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