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00:01<snogglethorpe>twb: hm, what's the lifetime of that...?
00:01<twb>snogglethorpe: hm?
00:01<snogglethorpe>scratch 'n' sniff flowers
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00:01<twb>I can't smell myself, let alone netbooks over in china
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00:02<snogglethorpe>my big beef with netbooks is that I can't find a model that doesn't have a huge freaking hot-spot right under the keyboard
00:02<snogglethorpe>if you don't mind a little finger-toasting, there seems to be plenty of choice
00:03<twb>snogglethorpe: Eee PCs use the keyboard's backplate as a heat transfer medium
00:03<twb>snogglethorpe: but just turning on CPU scaling ought to avoid overheating -- unless you're trying to run GCC or something on it
00:04<snogglethorpe>hm, well actually...
00:04<snogglethorpe>not sure what else i'd do with ti...
00:05<twb>snogglethorpe: erm, GCC belongs on the computer farm. Netbooks are there to run a tty, Emacs and ssh.
00:05<snogglethorpe>well.... not always in net range...
00:05<twb>snogglethorpe: get a longer cable :-)
00:06<twb>If I wasn't so disgusted by telcos, I'd just get one of those 3G modems for my netbook.
00:07<snogglethorpe>hm i had a friend come to japan... iphone _automatically_ connected and...
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00:07<xwd>Turns out that running Iceweasel in root makes plugins load fine, it's when I run it as myself that they don't show up.
00:07<snogglethorpe>charges were not small
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00:08<xwd>Probably because I don't have access to /usr/lib/mozilla
00:09<twb>snogglethorpe: well, it's IMAP client doesn't IDLE
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00:14<ml|>xwd: yes you do from wht you said before ... < xwd> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2010-02-24 21:49 /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ -> /etc/alternatives/
00:14<xwd>I think I had to sudo to do that
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00:15<xwd>I just use chmod to give myself read permissions, right?
00:15<ml|>but still wierd, look at the permissions
00:15<ml|>no need
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00:17<xwd>drwx------ 4 root root 4096 2010-02-24 23:23 mozilla
00:18<xwd>The plugins folder I have access to, but the mozilla folder above it I don't have access to.
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00:19<ml|>drwxr-xr-x that's waht you should have for mozilla folder
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00:20<xwd>I'll set it to that.
00:20<ml|>and the plugins folder
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00:21<xwd>Plugins folder I already have access to, the mplayer plugins work now.
00:22<ml|>did you change permissions before?
00:22<blueglasses>i'm installing a new box on a virtual machine and the installer asks me if I want to set up LVM, do i need LVM on a virtual machine? why?
00:22<ml|>must had been that .deb you used?
00:22<snogglethorpe>i'd think not...
00:22<twb>snogglethorpe: apparently the N450 includes a GMA 3100 on-die, but it's not clear to me if that's GMA 945 family (sane), or a GMA 500 family (poulsbo paperweight crap).
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00:23<xwd>Well, I figured out what my problem was.
00:24<ml|>!congratulate xwd
00:24<dpkg>Woohoo xwd, you did it!
00:24<ml|>but weird
00:25<ml|>and you removed ~/.mozilla/plugins ?
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00:25<xwd>Just emptied it now, I uninstalled flashplugin-nonfree before changing permissions.
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00:26<xwd>To prevent conflicts. I'm installing the package now.
00:26<ml|>try to remember I come across this again, still wierd
00:26<xwd>Yeah, everything works the way it's supposed to.
00:27<blueglasses>btw, whats the default mozilla folder? my firefoz is saying desktopcouch (a python program) wishes to access the password of Desktop couch user authenticacon on the default key(something)
00:27<twb>snogglethorpe: ah, and according to Wikipedia, the N450 and N470 support "MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, Intel 64, XD bit (an NX bit implementation), Hyper-Threading"
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00:28<twb>snogglethorpe: so you can put Debian/amd64 on and should get better performance out of each MIPS, due to x86-64 being a much higher lowest-common-denominator than i386 is.
00:28<snogglethorpe>hm, maybe the n270 is the old 32-bit-only atom?
00:28<xwd>Well, I think that's enough debugging for one night, I've got a test tomorrow I need to study for. Thanks again for your help.
00:28<twb>snogglethorpe: the previous generation could architecturally do x86-64, but it was disabled for some reason
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00:29<ml|>good night
00:29<twb>No hardware VT, though :-(
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00:31<sney>the n450 eees have been a bit of a pain to get installed
00:31<snogglethorpe>i suppose running vms is asking a bit much of an eeepc anyway...
00:31<snogglethorpe>sney: why?
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00:31<twb>snogglethorpe: can still use LXC and such
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00:33<sney>snogglethorpe: mostly because of asus's love of brand new hardware that isn't fully supported by the kernel yet. but also due to some hinky weirdness that's hard to nail down
00:33<sney>for instance the wifi should work perfectly with ath9k, but sometimes doesn't
00:33<blueglasses>snogglethorpe, i runed a debian vm on top of ubuntu on instaled with wubi, inside windows 7 starter on a hp mini
00:34<blueglasses>and it runed ok
00:34<sney>runed huh
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00:34<sney>why would you run debian in a vm inside ubuntu?
00:35<sney>not that they're the same thing, but it's close enough that that's silly
00:35<blueglasses>because i needed it for testing purposes
00:36<blueglasses>i'm installing one right now
00:36<sney>ah, I guess that makes sense
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00:37<snogglethorpe>sney: ergh
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00:38<snogglethorpe>'course i can't use wifi at work anyway, due to the proprietary non-standard authentication scheme they use, which requires you to run a windows app while using wifi...
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00:39<snogglethorpe>(kinda matches the "windows only" usb memory-sticks they bought 10,000 of )
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00:40<blueglasses>you could run the windows app using wine
00:40<ikarus>snogglethorpe: and you patched the kernel to simply support it I assume ?
00:40<ikarus>blueglasses: doubt it
00:40<ikarus>blueglasses: it probably hooks into low level APIs
00:41<snogglethorpe>blueglasses: hm, i've never actually been able to get a hold of a windows copy here, despite teh fact that we have a site-license!
00:41<blueglasses>ikarus you can allways use a windows virtual machine inside linux
00:42<ikarus>blueglasses: yes, but that wouldn't see the network as being wifi
00:42<ikarus>unless you do ugly stuff
00:42<ikarus>ah well, work
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00:44<blueglasses>well... you could simply make a hole at work and use a windows machine to give you wifi
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00:47<blueglasses>but that would break security at work, i guess
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00:52<snogglethorpe>hmm, for some models (even new ones) ont he ASUS website, it specifies "GNU Linux" as the OS...
00:53<snogglethorpe>well, in addition to XP
00:53<snogglethorpe>but still
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00:58<blueglasses>ikarus do you mean he created a kernel module for that proprietary driver, or, did he extract the driver?
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01:00<sney>snogglethorpe: I think there are some proprietary drivers that "work" which asus doesn't mind using under xandros
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01:14<kcynice>hi, is anyone know how to comiple gcc-1.40 source code under current release of gcc?
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02:21<Guest531>en que colegio estas
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02:26<enano__>en que colegio estas
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02:48<beers>I have just install bugzilla3 via apt-get on debian lenny. I have setup a working apache server and a mysql databse. But I dont know what to do next to end up with a working bugzilla.
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02:49<beers>I proberbly need to make somce changes to apache so it knows how to handle bugzilla3 but I dont know what to do
02:50<beers>can somebody lead my in the right direction
02:50<jm_>try /usr/share/doc/bugzilla3/README.Debian.gz
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02:52<beers>gonna unpack it rightaway so I can start reading
02:53<jm_>don't unpack it
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02:53<jm_>use an editor that handles this properly
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02:53<beers>can you sugest such an editor?
02:53<jm_>vim, emacs, ... or even zless (or less with proepr setup)
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02:58<twb>jm_: plain less and w3m will, thanks to lesspipe(1)
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02:58<twb>(w3m is a pager as well as a browser.)
02:59<jm_>twb: yes, that's why I said with a proper setup
02:59<twb>Oh, sorry, I misread you
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04:00<jmm>hi everyone.
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04:01<jmm>does anyone know which preseed's d-i parameter change the install method ? I'd like not to use netinstall.
04:01<twb>jmm: what do you mean by that?
04:02<jmm>umm I made a small custom installation CD, but it download the packages on some debian's mirror, I would like to install packages from the cdrom.
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04:02<jmm>so network is not needed anymore.
04:03<twb>Just perform the install with the network cable unplugged.
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04:04<jmm>hehe it would be a solution, but since I'm not the one using this CD, I'd like to make sure it take packages from CD.
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04:06<the-dude>jmm: just do a normal install and export used parameters afterwards
04:06<the-dude>or check syslog while installing
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04:06<twb>Unless you stop it, it'll try to talk check security.d.o for security patches.
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04:06<themill>jmm: if all the packages it wants to install are on the cd and up-to-date, then it won't install packages from the network
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04:07<jmm>themill: without setting anything ? super cool.
04:07<twb>I guess I'd use jigdo to automate that part
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04:07<twb>jmm: it'll still check the network for updates, but it just won't find any
04:08<themill>jmm: all the installers (business card, netinst, CD1, ...) are identical -- they just have different packages on the CD
04:08<jmm>thanks for the infos guys , I'll try this now.
04:09<jmm>oh btw, if I check in /var/cache/apt/archives/ on an fresh debian install ( from CD, using the network ), I should have all packages missing from CD right ?
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04:13<jmm>oh those are not ordered like on install CD.
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04:14<jm_>jmm: apt-cache show apt-move
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04:15<jmm>oh cool ! thanks again !
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04:24<khades>will nouveau will be thrown away in 2.6.33-debian?
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04:31<twb>themill: they also have different drivers in the ramdisk
04:31<twb>themill: e.g. the CD one will have drivers for CD drives
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04:32<themill>business card, netinst and CD1 are all CD images
04:33<themill>(and I did say *installer* not initramfs...)
04:33<twb>Sure, but the USB/HDD and netboot installers won't have CD drivers in their ramdisks
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04:33<twb>themill: the installer is just a kernel and a ramdisk. The rest is optional.
04:34<themill>We were talking about differences in the installer.. the optional stuff that you are trying to ignore
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04:53<mihkel>Hi. Lately iceweasel acts weird.
04:53<mihkel>Sometimes when I close a tab the whole thing gets killed
04:53<mihkel>is what I get
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04:54<twb>mihkel: are you running any extensions that mess with tabs?
04:55<jm_>mihkel: yesterday someone said it helps if you downgrade libcairo2
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04:55<mihkel>jm_, I just looked ate aptitude log file and it seems this problem started after upgrading cairo
04:56<themill>!dbugs 561859
04:56<mihkel>so I just downgrade
04:56<dpkg>#561859:G[libcairo2] Breaks iceweasel (RenderBadPicture when closing tab) (moreinfo); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:18:05 UTC [551570 551852 555412 562698]
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04:57<jar>BEER IS GOOD
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04:59<beer>nope I have a small problem
05:00<twb>beer: I hear you can get medication for that now
05:01*jar dinks beer
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05:02<beer>I am trying to settup bugzilla3 on debian lenny. my params for bugzilla looks like and mye default file for apahce looks like I can access localhost and see index.htlm byt when I try to access it I get a "The requested URL /cgi-bin/index.cgi was not found on this server." error
05:03<beer>I think it is something with urlbase in params fil but I am not sure
05:03<jar>beer: there's some semi sensitive info in there you might want to quickly edit...
05:03<beer>what inf?
05:03<jar>line 113
05:04<jar>i wouldn't leave that on pastebin too long
05:04<beer>it was there as default. have not change that line
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05:05<beer>but back to the problem. Do anyone knows that I am during wrong?
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05:09<prem>hi all
05:09<prem>i downloaded a debian pool using debmirror a month before..but now i realise.,I need to upgrade that pool for the lastest packages..
05:10<prem>so is there any tool which will replace only the updated packages in my pool..?
05:10<twb>prem: debmirror will do that
05:10<prem>twb, it does..but I am left with the old package as well
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05:11<twb>prem: I don't believe you.
05:11<prem>am lookign for a replacement of the old package with the latest one
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05:12<prem>twb, pardon..I didnt get you
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05:15<twb>prem: I'm saying that you're lying.
05:15<twb>Because debmirror's manpage states: "2. clean up unknown files -- Any files and directories on the local mirror that are not in the list are removed."
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05:17<prem>twb, may be thats mistake..I didnt wait till it downloads everything..I checked in the middle and found there are duplicates and stopped in the middle
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05:17<twb>prem: that's why
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06:08<val_>hi guys. how do you restart a service like postgresql from a posinst script?
06:09<jm_>val_: invoke-rc.d isn't it?
06:09<val_>if you just do /etc/init.d/postgresql restart from the postinst script then it makes the script hang and the package instalation fails
06:10<jm_>it's highly likely this is mentioned in devel guide(s)
06:10<val_>jm_: I couldn't find it anywhere
06:11<themill>It should be with invoke-rc.d and restarting shouldn't fail
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06:12<val_>ok, I'll give it a try
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06:14<jm_>hang suggest that the process doesn't detach
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06:16<kevix1>just to be obvious, you need to be root to do /etc/init.d/[service] restart
06:16<jm_>kevix1: you need to be root to install packages first
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06:20<themill>val_: it's also not going to be called "postgresql" in debian but more likely to be "postgresql-8.3" or similar.
06:21<val_>themill: thanks
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06:29<val_>hi invoke-rc.d causes the same issue
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06:30<val_>it does restart postgres
06:30<val_>and the end of the postinst script is reached
06:30<swarna>is there any patch to install and run launchpad in debian
06:30<val_>but after that apt hangs
06:30<themill>val_: try adding set -x to your postinst script so that you can see what is going on in more detail
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06:31<goodger>swarna: Launchpad is a proprietary product of Canonical, so is not publicly available
06:31<swarna>installing launchpad asks for lot of ubuntu dependancies and expects user to be using ubuntu
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06:31<val_>themill: ok, I will but don't think it's going to tell me alot because the postinst script finishes anyway
06:31<goodger>oh, they released it?
06:31<swarna>goodger, If I am not wrong..launchpad is released public..recently
06:32<val_>it's whatever starts the postinst script that hangs
06:32<goodger>well, if Canonical do not support Debian then it will not run on Debian
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06:32<themill>val_: those two statements are entirely contradictory
06:32<swarna>so it should get install irrespective of the distro
06:32<val_>themill: how come? 0_O
06:33<swarna>goodger, so it cant b einstalled..!!!??
06:33<themill>val_: if the postinst has finished, then it can't be something in the postinst that's causing apt to hang.
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06:34<goodger>swarna: "right now, Launchpad can only be built and run on Ubuntu Hardy, Jaunty and Karmic"
06:34<goodger>this means that when they make it run on Debian, it will do so, but not before
06:35<swarna>yet no patch to override it ..!? goodger
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06:36<val_>themill: well, the last statement gets reached, that's for sure
06:36<themill>swarna: you'll have to make them yourself. When you do, send them to canonical so they can include them.
06:36<goodger>the Ubuntu compatibility mode for Debian is called "Ubuntu"
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06:37<val_>themill: I have got an echo command and an exit 0 at the bottom of the postinst and both get printed out
06:37<themill>val_: so it's not your postinst that's hanging apt then. It's what comes after that.
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06:38<jm_>try calling dpkg with --debug=scripts
06:38<jm_>actually its debug=2
06:39<val_>themill: what comes after that? and why would something in the postinst script cause something after that to hang?
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06:39<themill>val_: that's my point -- things in the postinst *won't* cause something later to hang.
06:40<val_>themill: obviously not true. if I remove the invoke-rc.d postgresql-8.3 restart from the script everything works as expected.
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06:43<matjas>I'm using debian unstable and with today upgrade of libgl1-mesa-dri-7.7-4 I have to install also libdrm-radeon1, but sinse I don't have an radeon graphics I think that I don't need it? any sugestions?
06:44<goodger>matjas: I would just allow it to install, it won't hurt
06:44<matjas>for example I do not need to install libdrm-nouveau1 with the upgrade of mesa
06:45<matjas>goodger: I know it would not hurt but why install unneded package?
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06:46<jm_>because it simplifies packaging and ensures people don't run into problems due to missing packages
06:46<matjas>jm_: so it also should install libdrm-nouveau1
06:47<jm_>matjas: there's no kernel with nouveau support in debian, or is there?
06:47<matjas>jm_: don't know I build my own kernels
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06:48<jm_>matjas: right, but packages are based on what debian provides - I expect it to install that too in the future
06:48<matjas>jm_: I don't like bloat
06:48<jm_>matjas: no-one does (except HW vendors/shops)
06:49<matjas>jm_: maybe It should be installed with other radeon related package for X
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06:49<jm_>matjas: which one? video driver? that too is typically installed by default
06:51<matjas>jm_: but I don't have radeon video driver installed - only the xserver-xorg-video-intel
06:51<jm_>matjas: yup, it's possible to achieve this, but it's not like that by default
06:51<matjas>jm_: agree - not by default
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06:52<matjas>jm_: so I would also want to achieve this with radeon-drm
06:53<jm_>matjas: you'll need to build your own package then
06:53<matjas>jm_: :)
06:53<matjas>jm_: or mayby suggest it to the debian-X packagers
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06:54<jm_>matjas: that's definitely an option for the future
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06:55<matjas>jm_: I'm not sure if anyone wants to install libgl1-mesa-dri also needs to install libdrm-intel1?
06:56<jm_>matjas: well I agree with you, certainly not me with nvidia driver :)
06:56<matjas>jm_: I think yes since only intel was supporting dri
06:56<jm_>matjas: not anymore, nowadays DRI is available both for ATI and nvidia
06:57<matjas>jm_: yes
06:57<matjas>jm_: and there sould be a choice based on your system config
06:57<jm_>matjas: that's where the problems would start, and in general the idea is too not have a lot of questions
06:58<matjas>jm_: possible :)
06:59<matjas>jm_: ok, I think that I'll ask on debian-x specific channel
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07:04<val_>can anyone point to some sort of doc where it explains how to restart a service when installig a debian package?
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07:08<petemc>val_: invoke-rc.d service restart
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07:08<jc_linux>good morning
07:08<val_>petemc: tried that but it causes the install to hang
07:09<petemc>val_: what are you doing, exactly
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07:10<val_>inside the postinst script updating postgres conf files and then attempting to restart it
07:10<jc_linux>I am have problem for apply patches for compile iptables under debian lenny
07:12<jc_linux>if i dont apply patches i no have problems
07:12<jc_linux>I need IMQ+L7 in iptables 1.4.2
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07:16<val_>ok, the postinst script execs /usr/share/debconf/frontend
07:16<val_>which in turn runs the postinst scrip
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07:17<val_>but the frontend perl script hangs at line 93
07:18<val_>1 while ($confmodule->communicate);
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07:19<val_>the perl scripts have debug statemets in them
07:19<val_>does anyone know how to turn these on?
07:19<zp>How can I save google's search results using wget? (or maybe there is another option?)
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07:22<rektide>i'm interested in trying to use Debian to install into ~/.local
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07:23<rektide>a second installed base of software in my home directory
07:24<rektide>it'd probably be relatively simple to debootstrap into that directory, but i was hoping someone might have heard of a more integrated approach
07:25<kevix1>val_: the debian binary package is supposed to start and/or stop any services it requires without issue. if this is not happening, look at the bug system and it may be a bug
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07:27<val_>kevix1: it has never worked for me. have you seen an example of how it's done? and where is the bug system?
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07:30<val_>I have seen debian packages restart services when doing a dist upgrade but keep forgeting to take a note of which package is doing it so that I can take a look at its source.
07:30<jm_>pretty much any daemon package
07:31<val_>I think I have looked in the postgres and ssh packages but didn't see it
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07:34<jm_>openssh-server has it
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07:36<val_>yes, it does
07:36<val_>just took another look at it
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07:42<uveral>como t llamas?
07:42<uveral>estas por hay?
07:43<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:43<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
07:43<uveral>k pasa'
07:44<uveral>olle de donde hablas?
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07:45<uveral>k pasa?
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07:49<ool>im trying to get a usb wifi to work in lenny any help please.
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07:52<peppelo>hi ool
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07:54<ool>anyone here
07:55<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>.
07:55<jmm>hi ool .
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08:01<ool>ok thanks! im new to lenny i just want pointing i the right direction.. i have a external usb wifi , a fresh install of lenny on a old laptop, is there any software repository that i can look through to help may be use it!?
08:02<gsimmons>ool: At least state the brand/model (and version, if available) of the device you're attempting to use.
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08:08<ool>ok its a hawkings hi gain -hwu8dd i have a ubuntu set up elsewhere it works with that i believe the driver is a ZyDAS driver..
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08:09<ool>also there is no ifconfig with the lenny install what would i need??
08:10<jmm>ool: it there but maybe not in your path.
08:10<jmm>try /sbin/ifconfig
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08:11<ool>sorry just a live cd not install
08:11<jmm>still ifconfig should be here.
08:12<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ool -about zd1211rw
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08:13<kevix1>ool: lspci is helpful
08:13<kevix1>ool: or lsusb (dependign upon the bus)
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08:14<ool>ok ifconfig is in sbin but its not a command in terminal!
08:15<jmm>I'm not sure about what your mean.
08:16<themill>ool: you just run "/sbin/ifconfig" instead
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08:16<kevix1>if an executable is in your PATH, you can use it by typing 'XXX', otherwise you need to specfiy the absolute path (/sbin/ifconfig)
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08:20<ool>ok thanks folks! would the driver info be on the live disk.. and is it just a mater of figuring it out..
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08:25<ool>kevix1: as the labtop is not connected to the internet yet. can you (apt-get install things from cd)
08:26<ool>or is there other methods!
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08:27<ool>thanks for the patience everyone!!
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08:33<val_>does anyone know what db_stop function does in postinst scripts?
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08:33<kevix1>ool: you can use 'apt-get --print-uris ...' to get the URLS of the files to downloads from a net-connected machine
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08:35<ool>ok i ll have a look ! ta
08:38<kevix1>val_: /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
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08:40<val_>kevix1: calling this fixed the issue with restarting postgres
08:40<val_>saw it in the postgres package postinst
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08:42<ool>just a thought but if i just reboot with the usb wifi still attached will the op just recognise it and install appropriately?
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08:50<neocortex>Hello, anyone using ThinkPad T400s?
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08:50<neocortex>I would really appreciate any help!
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08:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:52<neocortex>I am running Debian testing (amd64) on ThinkPad T400s with Intel dual core chip. When reboot or shutdown I am receiving THERMAL ALLERT message.
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09:09<Guest578>hola raul
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09:16<k1lumin4t1>Hi there
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09:17<k1lumin4t1>I have a local apt mirror for i386 binary packages. Do you think it could be possible to use jigdo (jigdo-lite) against this local mirror through a local webserver instead of a remote one?
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09:19<gsimmons>k1lumin4t1: Sure, just specify the URL to it when prompted during jigdo-lite operation.
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09:19<Gonza>Quien eres???
09:20<k1lumin4t1>gsimmons, thanks
09:20<Lucario>Gonzalo,soy Juan Raúl
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09:20<Gonza>de que colegio eres??
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09:20<Lucario>Tu vecino
09:20<Gonza>de que colegio eres??
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09:20<Lucario>De Pablo Picasso
09:21<Lucario>Y tú?
09:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:21<Gonza>del cristo de la yedra
09:21<k1lumin4t1>Lucario, Gonza: /join #debian-es
09:21<Lucario>Soy de La Línea
09:21<Gonza>que linea??
09:22<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para debian en Espanol por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es
09:22<k1lumin4t1>smells like trolls spirit
09:22<Lucario>La ciudad de La Línea
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09:33<jmm>heh guys, I copied some .debs on my custom cdrom in /pool/, but d-i still download those from the network. did I miss something ?
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09:38<kmap>jmm: Maybe there's a "Packages" file which needs to be updated?
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09:39<jmm>kmap: I look at this.
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09:40<kmap>jmm: Right. I don't really know how you would update the Packages file; dpkg-scanpackages might help
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09:42<beers>what is the debian package name that inclues the perl moduel cal CGI?
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09:43<themill>beers: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file
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09:45<beers>I have tried to seach for it via synaptic but there is to many hits on CGI perl to I can tell witch one
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09:45<themill>does synaptic do contents searching now?
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09:46<themill>"apt-file search /" is what you want. You'll actually find that it's part of perl itself.
09:46<beers>I just press the seach button an let the developer for care about witch kind of seach
09:46<kevix1>beers: dpkg -S will search on your system, otherwise use apt-file
09:46<themill>beers: umm... that's not how tools work. You don't pick up a hammer to put in a screw and hope that the designer of the hammer took care of what sort of tool you wanted
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09:51<jmm>so guys, do I need to do something special, when I add packages to a netinstall CD ? I just added my debs in /pool/s/so/somesoftware, but the installer keep on downloading on the network.
09:52<jmm>erm in /pool/main/s/so/somesoftware
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09:54<Yagd>What is language of this channel?
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09:55<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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09:56<Yagd>Thx :)
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09:57<nenazo>ai alguien????????
09:57<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:57<nenazo>d donde eres ??
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10:17<acu>squeeze is on a "trunk" kernel - this means that the future release will be a different kernel ?
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10:18<goodger>acu: it's still using linux, "trunk" is just a version identifier from source control
10:19<themill>!kernel abi
10:19<dpkg>Debian kernel packages have an <ABI> to indicate when out-of-tree modules must be rebuilt; upgrading from a package with 2.6.26-1-686 to another 2.6.26-1-686 doesn't require fglrx/nvidia/etc to be rebuilt, but upgrading from 2.6.26-1-686 to 2.6.26-2-686 does. Development kernels have the ABI "trunk" to indicate the ABI is unmanaged and you probably need to rebuild out-of-tree modules every time you upgrade the kernel package.
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10:21<acu>thanks themill and goodger - I want to install squeeze on few webservers - and I wonder whether I should wait until it is stable - though I have no way to know how far (or close) squeeze is to stable
10:22<themill>acu: still very much a moving target at present and it has no security support yet. It's not ready for server use.
10:22<goodger>uhhh, at a rough guess, nine months
10:22<goodger>so no, install lenny.
10:22<themill>The kernel ABI is unlikely to be an issue for servers unless you need out-of-tree network drivers (unlikely), but the rest of it is still very much changing and breaking as usual.
10:24<acu>you guys scare me - I thought it is 3 months at most - squeeze has almost the latest of everything - postgresql etc
10:25<acu>Usually I go right opposite to any advise
10:26<Titan8990>acu, the squeeze freeze was recently delayed due to too many release-critical bugs
10:26<Titan8990>i would advise against running it on anything in production
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10:27<acu>Thanks Titan8990: I will certainly give a thought - if the freeze was here I would be OK
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10:29<Titan8990>even with the freeze, security support will not start until a short time after release
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10:29<Titan8990>which was talked about being late this year. I'm not sure how the freeze effects that
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10:31<odla>hi i installed the meta-package xfce-desktop and it brought in vlc and i am trying to watch a .mp4 in vlc ... the video shows up fine but i have no audio ... any ideas what i need to install?
10:31<odla>or could it be pulseaudio?
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10:31<odla>nevermind it was pulseaudio
10:32<Titan8990>odla, thats not the name of the xfce meta package... unless its changed in testing/unstable
10:32<leejongwook>[Q] how do i change desktop manager ? from gnome to other
10:32<Titan8990>judd, versions xfce-desktop
10:32<judd>Sorry, no package named 'xfce-desktop' was found.
10:32<odla>Titan8990, it is in squeeze
10:32<Titan8990>odla, not according to judd
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10:32<Titan8990>judd, versions xfce4-desktop
10:32<judd>Sorry, no package named 'xfce4-desktop' was found.
10:32<odla>Titan8990, i guess it's a task ... i believe it just runs tasksel install xfce-desktop
10:33<odla>Titan8990, if you type aptitude install xfce-desktop it runs that task
10:33<Titan8990>odla, "xfce4" had always been the meta package
10:33<Titan8990>and there had previously only been a task to install gnome
10:34<Titan8990>leejongwook, are you using a display manager?
10:34<leejongwook>Titan8990, :) GNOME
10:34<odla>otter@debian:/usr/share/tasksel$ cat debian-tasks.desc | grep xfce .. Task: xfce-desktop .. xfce4 .. Test-preferred-desktop: xfce
10:34<odla>Titan8990, ^^^
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10:34<odla>anyways purging pulseaudio solved my problem though i'm sure there's other better work arounds
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10:35<Titan8990>leejongwook, thats the deskop environment, not a display manager... I will assume gdm...
10:35<Titan8990>leejongwook, gdm should have a "select session" thing where you can select other desktop environments
10:35<leejongwook>Titan8990, i have '/etc/init.d/gdm'
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10:35<odla>Titan8990, you can install kde as a task in lenny too
10:35<Titan8990>odla, good to know, thanks
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10:36<leejongwook>Titan8990, i see :) 'select session'
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10:36<Titan8990>odla, ah, i see a lot of tasks there that are not displayed in the TUI for tasksel
10:36<odla>Titan8990, yup ;)
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10:37<leejongwook>Titan8990, thanks :)
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10:37<leejongwook><--- logout to find 'select session'
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10:40<neocortex>Hello! I just installed Debian testing on ThinkPad T400s. Please, I need two things to fix. First is how to make Nautilus not to open every time I click on a folder?
10:42<Japsu>neocortex: Look for mouse settings, switch from one-click mode to double-click mode
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10:43<neocortex>Japsu: Not that, sorry, but the fact that in open Nautilus, when I click on a folder, it opens it in a new window.
10:43<perk>neocortex, click with your middle mouse button
10:43<neocortex>perk: But, in Ubuntu, that comes naturally, and with left click
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10:44<perk>neocortex, so there is obviously a difference in default configuration between ubuntu and debian versions of nautilus then
10:44<Titan8990>neocortex, preferences -> always open in browser window
10:44<Titan8990>find that option and select it
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10:45<Titan8990>perk, yeah, never nautilus version dropped that as the default setting
10:45<Titan8990>err newer
10:45<perk>oh, so wikipadular is wrong also?
10:45<neocortex>Titan8990, Thank you! That helped!
10:46<Titan8990>no idea what wikipadular is
10:46<perk>nautilus 2.6 switched to what's called a _spatial file manager_
10:46<perk>Titan8990, aka wikipedia ;)
10:46<neocortex>Another thing is how to disable Bluetooth permanently? It is always on when I start Debian.
10:46<Titan8990>i just recalled reading a slashdot article about it
10:47<perk>neocortex, blacklist the bluetooth modules (add lines "blacklist <module>" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf)
10:47<neocortex>perk, I just installed Debian and Nautilus is 2.28
10:47<Titan8990>add them to /etc/modprobe.d/<file not created by the system>
10:48<amphi>neocortex: or disable it via /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth
10:48<Titan8990>perk, changes to the blacklist file can be overwritten when upgrading debian versions, say lenny->squeeze
10:48<Titan8990>its recommended to make a new file for user settings
10:48<perk>Titan8990, ok. learning something every day.
10:49<neocortex>So, guys, what should I do?! I am not as good as you! I need advices! :-)
10:49<neocortex>How to disable Bluetooth?
10:51<cahoot>echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/bluetooth_enable
10:51<Titan8990>perk, hehe, same :). i just read about it on debian-users mailing list last week or so... had to switch up my systems
10:51<cahoot> or such
10:51<perk>Titan8990, hah :D
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10:53<Japsu>neocortex: Fn+F5 IIRC
10:54<neocortex>Japsu, is that for permanent off? Even after reboot or shutdown?
10:54<Japsu>neocortex: anyway, there's that fn combination that cycles between radio modes, only some of which include bluetooth
10:54<Japsu>neocortex: nope.
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10:54<neocortex>What about: echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/bluetooth_enable?
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10:55<majk>Hello. I have specific question about diskless and PXE. I'm trying to boot diskless machine (no nfs or hard/flash/cdrom drive), where initrd are cpio/gzipped data of debian/lenny installation. I boot this initrd via PXE. What I need is to continue with initramfs as real-root-fs...I'm tryig to get it to work, but finally I always get kernel panic for init :(
10:55<majk>is it possible to continue with initramfs as rootfs ?
10:55<neocortex>cahoot, So, no permanent switch?
10:55<Japsu>Wasn't there some package that makes an /etc/sysfs.conf where you can set sysfs thingamajies permanently?
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10:57<cahoot>devices/platform/thinkpad_acpi/bluetooth_enable=0 in /etc/sysfs.conf perhaps?
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10:58<cahoot>well change thinkpad_acpi to correct value
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11:09<Nabilou>Hi all
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11:16<Nabilou>I try to compile a package but i get an error message :
11:16<Nabilou>Any ideas?
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11:17<mjt>Nabilou: apt-get build-dep $yourpackage
11:17<Nabilou>By the way, this message appear while running "make"
11:17<Mannenigata>Hi guys. I have a wierd issue with Lenny on sparc. I installed with the net boot image via putty and everything went fine. The server works perfectly until I disconnect putty and turn off the Desktop machine I served the image with. Then the sparc machine becomes unreachable on the network. If I re-connect putty it works again. Any Ideas? I'd like to be able to turn off the desktop when I'm not using putty. Thanks in advance.
11:17<Nabilou>mjt, I'm goind to try it
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11:18<mjt>Nabilou: but i guess you'll have more probs. since that package wants to do something with your kernel, probably compiling kernel modules, which is a bit difficult thing
11:19<mjt>Nabilou: and by the way, debian packages aren't built this way (by running "make") - use dpkg-buildpackage or just `./debian/rules build'
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11:22<Nabilou>mjt, Actually I said something wrong... I am not trying to build a package but to install from sources
11:22<Nabilou>Sorry :
11:23<Nabilou>Sorry for my english
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11:25<mjt>in that case you'll have to provide much more details about the package you're trying to compile from source. And depending on that, maybe ask for help from them. My only guess - again - is that for kernel modules it's a bit more difficult. Provided you actually, really _want_ to build it.
11:25<samaira>hi all. i have almost 1gb unpartitioned space on my hard drive. i would like to use this space as swap temporarily. what is the best way to accomplish the task ? please guide me.
11:25<jhutchins_lt>Nabilou: You may actually want to build a package and install it.
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11:26<jhutchins_lt>samaira: Use fdisk or cfdisk to label the partition as swap, mkswap to format it, swapon to enable it.
11:27<mjt>jhutchins_lt: he said the space is unpartitioned
11:27<jhutchins_lt>Ah, extra step to create a partition with fdisk then.
11:27<mjt>in that case fdisk will require reboot
11:28<mjt>but there's parted and gnu-fdisk which does not
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11:28<mjt>but it again depends on the actual placement of the unpartitioned space - everything's ok if it's at the end
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11:30<lancelot_of>how to set /etc/default/grub in order to have splashy boot working on my eeepc 1000H?it seems none of the resolutions i tried to be correct:1024x768,1024x600,800x600
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11:31<lancelot_of>obviously grub2 is installed on my system
11:32*mjt likes old-fashioned text boot messages...
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11:36<samaira>jhutchins_lt | thank you. i will google fdisk and will activate the swap.
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11:37<Titan8990>the fdisk manpage in debian recommends you do not use fdisk....
11:37<fran>SPEAK SPANISH?
11:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:38<fran>SPEAK SPANISH????
11:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:39<mjt>!tell fran -about es
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11:39<themill>fran: /join #debian-es
11:39<fran>speak spanish plaese
11:40<adb>fran, : Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda
11:40<themill>fran: /server ; /join #ubuntu
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11:41<themill>actually, #ubuntu-es would be better.
11:41<mjt>@themill anyway
11:41<mjt>+q = quiet, right?
11:41<Mannenigata>Hi guys. I have a wierd issue with Lenny on sparc. I installed with the net boot image via putty and everything went fine. The server works perfectly until I disconnect putty and turn off the Desktop machine I served the image with. Then the sparc machine becomes unreachable on the network. If I re-connect putty it works again. Any Ideas? I'd like to be able to turn off the desktop when I'm not using putty. Thanks in advance.
11:41<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
11:41<Titan8990>themill, how did you determine he was a ubuntu user?
11:42<themill>Titan8990: client version string with "ubuntu" in it...
11:42<Titan8990>themill, ah
11:42*Titan8990 still needs to alter his version string....
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11:43<kevix1>Mannenigata: what do you mean 'via putty'. putty is an ssh client.
11:43<Titan8990>kevix1, no, putty can also handle serial connections
11:43<Titan8990>and telnet....
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11:43<mjt>actually putty is quite universal "terminal" client
11:43<kevix1>Titan8990: oh. didnt know that.
11:43<Titan8990>yep, i prefer it over cutecom/minicom when dealing with serial consoles
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11:44<samaira># fdisk /dev/hda. then "t". it has shown the message and i immediately pressed ctrl+c. messgae : The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4864.There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,and could in certain setups cause problems with:
11:44<kevix1>so then Mannenigata can reach the server from serial but not ethernet?
11:45<Mannenigata>Kevix1: It's a sun machine without monitor so putty is the only way to control it
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11:45<Titan8990>Mannenigata, via serial console?
11:45<Mannenigata>I can reach the server from ethernet when putty is connected, but not when it's disconnected
11:45<kevix1>if so, that would mean that the kernel is not loading the correct eth modules upon boot?
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11:46<Mannenigata>yes putty via serial (LOM)
11:46<samaira>it did not shown any partitions list. it has prompted me to enter a character. when i have given character "l". it has shown the following :
11:46<Titan8990>Mannenigata, have you configured ethernet networking?
11:46*mjt idly notes that fdisk "friendly" messages should go away in this epoch...
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11:47<Mannenigata>yes ethernet works when the putty is connected via serial.
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11:47<Titan8990>Mannenigata, what happens if you connect via ssh to the box, then disconnect from putty? does the ssh session stay open?
11:48<skrite>hey all
11:48<kevix1>are you suggesting that the serial communicaction start ethernet communication and when you disconnect serial, the ethernet stops?
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11:48<skrite>anyone using gnome-shell notice that (most) of the keyboard shortcuts are not working?
11:48<skrite>or know a work-around
11:48<Mannenigata>yes ethernet stops when I disconnect serial
11:49<Mannenigata>It used to work great, but I reinstalled yesterday and now this
11:49<Titan8990>Mannenigata, any sign of problems in dmesg or /var/log/messages?
11:49<kevix1>is there a special setup when you bring down/up serial, that if affects eth? ifup/ifdown ?
11:50<Mannenigata>I'll check /var/log/messages
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11:53<sney>Mannenigata: also check if you're sending a BREAK somehow when disconnecting serial.
11:53<Mannenigata>nothing in /messages about it, last entry was 6:25 and I tried to disconnect serial at 7:30
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11:53<Titan8990>themill, our friend is back
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11:54<sney>sunday comes early this week
11:54<Mannenigata>how do I check for BREAK...syslog?
11:54<jhutchins_lt>samaira: Sorry, real work intervened.
11:54<jhutchins_lt>samaira: m for menu in fdisk.
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11:54<sney>probably, and check your serial client to see if it's sending break on disconnect
11:54<jhutchins_lt>samaira: p to "print" partition info.
11:54<jhutchins_lt>samaira: t is for setting partition type.
11:54<Titan8990>the fdisk manpage recommends using cfdisk
11:55<sney>depending on the age/configuration of the Sun machine, it may make a system beep when BREAK is received
11:55<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: Wonder why?
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11:55<sney>actually I'm not sure if dmesg could log break since it pauses the OS
11:55<Mannenigata>hmm....machine is old. I think 2001
11:55<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, "fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things - usually it happens to produce reasonable results."
11:56<Titan8990>"There are several *fdisk programs around. Each has its problems and strengths. Try them in the order cfdisk, fdisk, sfdisk."
11:57<mabuse>hey out there, I installed a debian sys on a 2.nd disk and want to add this installation into the grub of my main installation on disk 1 (/dev/hda)
11:57<mabuse>what I have to invoke?
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11:57<samaira>it is strange. i am unable to figure out the unpartitioned space :
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11:58<jhutchins_lt>Titan8990: Hadn't seen that before, but I started using fdisk a long time ago, it's been a while since I read the man page. I've always had good results with fdisk, and had a few problems with cfdisk.
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11:59<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, the above I have found only in the debian manpage... the manpages on other systems do refer to it as buggy but don't go into the detail that the debian manpage does
11:59<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, i had used it for a long time as well
12:00<jhutchins_lt>samaira: What makes you think you have unpartitioned space?
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12:00<samaira>while I have installed system, i specifically left 1 gb for future use
12:00<jhutchins_lt>samaira: Why do you have so many partitions?
12:01<jhutchins_lt>samaira: There would appear to be space between 4742 and 4864
12:01<samaira>i have installed system : boot, var, usr, home, root partition : seperate folders.
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12:01*jhutchins_lt predicts the /var or / partition will run out of space.
12:01<Titan8990>when going a route like that, i recommend LVM, without allocating all of the VG
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12:02<Mannenigata>That seemed to do the trick. I found a setting called flow control. It was on xon/xoff, So I changed it to none and it seems to work. Thanks a million guys
12:02<jhutchins_lt>samaira: So have a look at the man page for fdisk or cfdisk and allocate that last section of the drive as a swap partition.
12:02<Titan8990>Mannenigata, that setting gave me crap on cisco aironets
12:02<Titan8990>Mannenigata, good to hear its fixed
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12:03<samaira>right now i am looking at man page. the man page is big.
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12:05<rpgdude>i cannot start gnome-shell
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12:06<rpgdude>i get: Shell killed with signal 11
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12:06<Titan8990>i thought it was gnome-terminal
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12:08<jhutchins_lt>samaira: We're encouraging you to go to the man page rather than just giving you commands so you'll understand what you're doing better.
12:08<samaira>right now i am studying man page
12:10<kop>samaira: "man less" to find out how to go to the top and bottom of a man page, and how to search forward and backward. Marks are also useful but not necessary. Searching is a crucial man page reading skill becuase you often don't want to read the whole thing.
12:11<bja>samaira: less usually has the same keybindings as vim
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12:15<kop>bja: And some of the same as emacs as well.
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12:17<bja>!editor war
12:17<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice
12:17<bja>Is there a way to manually setup a wireless link using dhcp?
12:18<sney>you mean like with iwconfig?
12:18<bja>Forget it i fgi and on the tenth page it appeared
12:19<bja>snel dhclient [interface]
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12:19<bja>sney: sorry, typo
12:19<sney>well dhclient is how you do it regardless of interface type
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12:19<jhutchins_lt>bja: Put the wireless details in /etc/network/interfaces
12:19<sney>but you may need to manually associate to the AP using iwconfig.
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12:20<sney>/etc/network/interfaces isn't doing it 'manually'
12:20<jhutchins_lt>bja: I assume you want to set up the wireless connection manually, then get an address via dhcp, right?
12:20<bja>jhutchins_lt: too many wireless networks
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12:21<bja>i have no problem setting up wireless, as long as i had the network key and a valid ip i cuould statically linked, i'll be away for a few days from the office and i missed the dhcp part :)
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12:23<rpgdude>it looks like gnome-shell does not support multiple monitors yet
12:24<smop>how do i prevent debian from auto-starting services after installing them?
12:24<smop>(and who came up with that horrible idea)
12:24<bja>sney: i use this cli program that actually changes the profile, but i just forgot its name :(
12:24<dpkg>methinks policy-rc.d is a mechanism which allows you to prevent certain init scripts from being run. see
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12:25<themill>smop: they only start straight away if they ship with sane defaults and it is secure and sensible to start them straight away. Otherwise, they are normally disabled until manually configured in /etc/default/$package
12:25<smop>themill: hmm that script is long and greek. happen to have the command handy to prevent debian from auto-starting *anything* after an apt-get install?
12:26<smop>themill: auto-starting a service in its default config is an absolute no-go on a production host
12:26<themill>depends on what that default config is
12:26<smop>well, let's just say i'm not willing to trust some pkg maintainer to decide over my default config
12:27<smop>however, how do i turn that off?
12:27<themill>And if you had a power failure or similar it would then autostart on the next boot so you'd be in the same situation.
12:27<bja>sney: Ijust remembered the f name its ifscheme :) This german is driving me crazy
12:27<jhutchins_lt>smop: If nothing starts, you won't have anything to work with.
12:27<smop>themill: yea well, that's the same bug. i don't want to auto-enable the init scripts nor to start itself.
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12:28<smop>jhutchins_lt: /etc/init.d/foo start is not that hard to type
12:28<jhutchins_lt>smop: Try setting it up as a default and learning what it's doing, then you can decide what needs to be on and what doesn't.
12:28<jhutchins_lt>smop: It's damned hard to type if you didn't start any consoles.
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12:28<smop>jhutchins_lt: every other non-debian distro in existence begs to disagree
12:28<smop>so well, is the response there is no way to disable this behaviour?
12:29*themill likes how people throw around the words "production server" as an excuse for not doing something and then show that they're actually doing their testing on said "production server"...
12:29<jhutchins_lt>smop: Sorry, I've run at least six over the last ten years.
12:29<smop>jhutchins_lt: gentoo doesn't do it, no redhat flavor does it afaik, slack doesn't do it. for others i'd have to look.
12:30<jhutchins_lt>smop: I think there's info on service configuration on the wiki. Gentoo and redhat are two I've worked with extensively and you're quite wrong.
12:30<smop>however, not looking for a flamewar actually. i just need to get rid of this behaviour, where's the switch?
12:30<themill>redhat and centos certainly do, but hey.
12:30<jhutchins_lt>Dunno about slack.
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12:30<themill>smop: dpkg gave you the documentation for the switch. Your choice whether to read it or not.
12:31<jhutchins_lt>smop: SysV init scripts are controlled by symlinks in the runlevel folders. There are various tools for managing the symlinks, I suggest you look to the documentation.
12:31<smop>okay, reading up on policy-d
12:31<smop>at a glance it looked like it only acts on already installed pkgs (i.e. after the daemon is already running)
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12:34<smop>so with policy.d i have to enumerate all the init scripts i want to suppress before installation?
12:34<smop>and then remove the entry from policy.d when i want to start the service manually?
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12:49<chase>I just installed debian. Was an ubuntu user and am becoming acquainted. How is the best way to install chromium in debian? I usually used ubuntu ppas but can't seem to find any chromium ones. I was going to compile it but the source tarball is over 800 megs, which doesn't sound fun.
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12:51<Titan8990>chase, unless you specifically wanted your browser to be fully "free", there are deb packages from chrome beta out there
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12:52<eightyeight>chase: google has a debian repository
12:52<chase>Ah, found one, thanks.
12:52<bremner>I'd be satisfied with a browser that didn't think it had the right to mess with my apt configuration
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12:53<Titan8990>bremner, which does?
12:53<eightyeight>bremner: what browser messes with your apt config?
12:53<bremner>chrome, afaik
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12:54<bremner>adds the google repo
12:54<eightyeight>i've always added it manually
12:55<bremner>anyway, I think there is no excuse for not getting chrome into sid. The company has the resources...
12:55<ml|>there is a way to prevent that, don't remember atm; touch ...
12:56<themill>bremner: I gather that opera does too. But this isn't necessarily a bad thing -- you want to have security updates on something like a browser, don't you? This is precisely why sources.list.d was created after all.
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13:02*bremner does not want package authors that think they are smarter than me, or that their choices override those of the distro.
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13:05<bremner>anyway, to each their own.
13:06<dj3mb3>hi to everybody
13:06<dj3mb3>I have an annoying prob, with bluetooth pairing, someone can help me?
13:07<themill>bremner: Things that people install from a random downloaded .deb/package/source tend to not get updated properly. Perhaps it's a sane default to ensure that the package is updated correctly? (I'm not talking about the implementation of it here... that looks a bit weird).
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13:09<kop>!tell dj3mb3 about ask
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13:10<bremner>themill: at the point they think it is ok to have a cron job to reset the configuration on my machine, we have nothing more to discuss. I agree that installing things from random sites is problematic. The correct(ish) way is to do the installation by adding the source manually.
13:10<themill>bremner: as I said, that implementation looks pretty weird. It only needed to drop a file into sources.list.d and the local admin can then mess with it as a conf file and everyone could be happy.
13:11<bremner>I don't think the package should add the conf file, I think the admin should. But perhaps we should just agree to disagree.
13:13<themill>bremner: Given the inability of the average punter in #d to successfully edit their sources.list ... we'll just have to disagree ;)
13:14<bremner>I'm ok with those people not being able to use chrome :)
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13:15<themill>Ahh.. but they will download the .deb manually and install it with gdebi from nautilus!
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13:16<bremner>the cares of the world are too great for one man to bear
13:17<themill>!beer bremner
13:17*dpkg pours a pint of Yuengling Lager for bremner
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13:29<jhutchins_lt>So how is Chrome for linux? It's not just the windows version with embedded wine is it?
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13:30<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, no and i find it excellent
13:31<Titan8990>jhutchins_lt, after about 6mos of usage (i got invited to early dev builds) i have trouble switching back to anything else
13:32<ml|>Titan8990: have they added masterpassword option yet?
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13:33<Titan8990>ml|, not sure, don't typically use features like that
13:33<Titan8990>with extensions now, wouldn't be suprised if there is an extension for it
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13:34<ml|>something like that needs to be builtin I would think
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13:35<amdgoon>after dist-upgrade, I am getting two problems when the kernel boots. Both are on linux.debian.bugs.dist: #562024 an #507788. Anyone else having these? Should I just wait for a patch?
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13:37<yo>alguien me lee??
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13:37<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
13:37<yo>si alguien lee k diga algo
13:38<ml|>yo si, pero lee ariva
13:38<yo>arriba donde?
13:38<yo>soi nuevo en esto
13:39<themill>uo: /server ; /join #ubuntu-es
13:39<yo>es la primera vez k entro
13:39<yo>themill por k escirbes tan raro?¿
13:40<yo>por k nadie escrbe na?
13:40<Guest612>speak english please
13:40<yo>no se ingles
13:40<themill>yo: /server ; /join #ubuntu-es
13:40<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para debian en Espanol por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es
13:41<yo>me e kedo igual
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13:41<ml|>yo, aqui es ingles so la mente as lo que themill dijo
13:41<yo>boi a vuskar otro xat en español mejor
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14:00<joevandyk>Hey! I need to build a patched Ruby debian package. This is on 8.04. Any suggested reading?
14:00<joevandyk>The docs I'm looking at say to use: "dch -l local 'blah blah'", but my version of dch doesn't seem to support the -l option.
14:00<joevandyk>so I assume i'm reading either outdated docs or too new docs
14:00<Titan8990>joevandyk, wrong channel
14:00<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
14:01<joevandyk>err, i think i'm asking about how to use dch and devscripts correctly.
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14:03<jackyf>joevandyk: you can do 'dch -i' and write 'blah blah' manually
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14:20<maria6A>hay algien
14:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:21<themill>maria6A: /server ; /join #ubuntu-es
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14:39<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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14:54<iceblock>could anybody help me with iptables; iprange module isnt loaded and it does not exist under /lib/modules :\
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14:54<Titan8990>iceblock, xt_iprange maybe?
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14:55<iceblock>Titan8990, as in use with iptables or module?
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14:56<Titan8990>iceblock, I checked check /lib/modules for iprange and thats what I found
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14:57<iceblock>my /lib/modules is empty
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14:57<Titan8990>iceblock, you should a dir there named $(uname -r)
14:57<Crunchbang>Русские есть?
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14:58<iceblock> its completly empty
14:59<Titan8990>iceblock, example: /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/
14:59<iceblock>nop, not there
14:59<Titan8990>iceblock, what version of debian and what kernel?
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15:00<iceblock>its 2.6.18-164.10.1.el5.028stab067.4
15:00<Titan8990>iceblock, alright....
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15:01<Titan8990>thats redhat enterprise linux 5
15:01<Titan8990>this is debian
15:01<Titan8990>iceblock, wrong channel man
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15:02<Titan8990>iceblock, you can check /etc/issue to see if its real RHEL or centos
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15:03<iceblock>all this time i've believed i used debian because according to the vps panel
15:03<iceblock>it says i do
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15:03<Titan8990>centos is not a bad production OS... but it does have its differences from debian and will take time to learn if you are only familiar with debian
15:04<iceblock>ostemplate debian-5.0-i386-32bit-minimal-20090217 - thats what my panel says :\
15:04<Titan8990>iceblock, yeah... I had a lot of bad luck with VPS providers myself until i settled in at
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15:05<iceblock>i've been using apt-get and it connects to lenny/updates
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15:07<iceblock>and i havent even touched rpm packages
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15:09<Titan8990>iceblock, openvz runs on the host's kernel
15:09*bremner wishes he could find a nice, not too expensive VPS provided in Canada. The mostly seem to be OpenVZ, and I'd prefer Xen
15:09<Titan8990>so if its an openvz VPS and you did a uname -r you would see the host's kernel... you don't have one of your own
15:10<iceblock>i got hypervm
15:10<themill>bremner: why in .ca? Does it really make a difference to you?
15:10<Titan8990>yperVM is a multi-tiered, multi-server, multi-virtualization software product allowing a VPS vendor to provision, manage and delegate Xen or OpenVZ based virtual private servers.
15:10<Titan8990>iceblock, still looks like it could be either or
15:11<bremner>themill: well, in my more paranoid moments, I'm not wild about things like the patriot act
15:11<iceblock>cat /etc/issue gives Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
15:11<Titan8990>iceblock, then it sounds like your on openvz
15:11<themill>bremner: fair enough
15:11<iceblock>does it mean i might be on debian after all? :P
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15:12<Titan8990>sorry for the confusion, openvz had slipped my mind
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15:13<iceblock>np :P
15:14<iceblock>back to the initial question; iprange, where is it :P
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15:17<Titan8990>iceblock, i don't think your going to have any ability to load/unload modules under and openvz setup
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15:17<iceblock>is there a workaround maybe so i can set my iptables to ban iprange?
15:18<Titan8990>iceblock, i would check #netfilter on
15:18<locsmif>Iceweasel keeps crashing intermittently when using CTRL-W to close a tab. Sometimes it does what it's supposed to do, other times this key combo causes IW to just cold 'quit'.
15:18<themill>!btssmite locsmif
15:18*dpkg beats locsmif around the head repeatedly with and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if locsmif is running testing or unstable
15:18<locsmif>Does anybody else have these issues? Running Debian Unstable
15:19<Titan8990>locsmif, if you use ctrl+w to close the last remaining tab, it exits the app
15:19<iceblock>titan8990, alright. ill do that. thanks a lot for the help, really appreciate it. :)
15:19<Titan8990>locklace, unstable? what themill said
15:19<themill>!dbugs 561859
15:19<Titan8990>iceblock, np
15:19<dpkg>DONE:#561859:G[libcairo2] Breaks iceweasel (RenderBadPicture when closing tab) (moreinfo); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:18:05 UTC [551570 551852 555412 562698]
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15:19<themill>(plus several others)
15:19<locsmif>Titan8990: ah, thanks for replying, but that's not the case here.
15:19<locsmif>Titan8990: ack
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15:21<locsmif>themill: .. apparently..
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15:22<themill>yes, that's another dup
15:22<sun>hi does anyone have skype working on testing? i can't complete the test call
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15:24<locsmif>themill: it says to downgrade libcairo2 to testing...I've done so...will see .. :)
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15:25<sun>hi does anyone have skype working on testing? i can't complete the test call
15:25<karme>!tell sun about repeat
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15:44<skrite>someone recommend a good front end to mysql database? something like maybe a cross between MS access and mysql-query-browser?
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15:45<Titan8990>MS access's equivelent is openoffice base
15:45<Titan8990>its not really a fronted... it IS a database
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15:46<karme>you can use many db with oobase
15:46<Titan8990>phpmyadmin is only other GUI tool for mysql that i know of
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15:46<Titan8990>skrite, not recommended if the server is exposed to the net
15:46*karme prefers cli anyway
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15:48<karme>oobase should work well for "medium experienced" users
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15:49<eder_>Somebody knows if can i use firewallbuilder with a interface web?
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15:50<dpkg>The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. #shorewall on
15:51<karme>Titan8990: shorewall does have a web ui?
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15:53<Titan8990>karme, thought it did, but looks like it doesn't
15:53<karme>then !ferm ;-P
15:53<Titan8990>eder_, if you just need a dedicated firewall appliance with a webgui, i use pfsense which is quite nice but not debian
15:53<Titan8990>and only supports x86
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15:54<eder_>thanks titan, i think pfsense does what i need!
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16:32<freddy>how do i turn on the compositing in KDE 3.5?
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16:36<chealer>freddy: ask #debian-kde
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16:40<jar>im surprised a kde3 fork hasn't occured yet given so much hate for 4
16:41<jar>I always liked KDE3, but never used it. KDE4 just seems silly though.
16:43<Titan8990>kd4 has improved tremendously since in first released
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16:43<jar>I've played with the past few released, my mom used KDE4 and demanded I let her use GNOME again.
16:43<jar>It's just an icky, icky envrionment now.
16:44<jar>QT4 is neat, but just.. ew.
16:44<jar>Whoever uttered the sentence, "WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF WE MADE A DESKTOP OUT OF WIDGETS?" should be hanged.
16:45<freddy>lol agreed Jar
16:45<jar>Hey guys, apparently themill thinks DE discussion is radically off-topic.
16:46<jar>Gotta censor myself, sorry.
16:46<themill>jar: this is a help channel, not a discussion channel.
16:46*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
16:46*jar points towards his ass
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16:46<themill>jar: please take a break from #debian and try to be more signal and less noise in the future.
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16:49<benjamin_baka>How do i install spim onto my debian lenny amd 64 machine? which dep source do i use?
16:50<benjamin_baka>yes. I would like to learn MIPS
16:51<Titan8990>so your saying spim has something to do with the MIPS arch?
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16:52<themill>benjamin_baka: it looks a lot like you're going to have the joy of compiling it yourself. Look at checkinstall or stow to help manage the install/uninstall process.
16:52<themill>benjamin_baka: and if you like it that much and think its useful to others, consider packaging it for debian. /msg dpkg nmg
16:54<Titan8990>is checkinstall actually safe to use?
16:54<Titan8990>ah, must be, included in main repos
16:54<themill>,versions checkinstall
16:54<judd>checkinstall -- lenny: 1.6.1-8; sid: 1.6.1-10; squeeze: 1.6.1-10
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16:55<Titan8990>i was actually looking at the source for it today
16:55<themill>Titan8990: it wasn't in etch because it interacted badly with etch's libc, but yeah, it's not bad. (not that I've actually used it since sarge, I think)
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17:22<benjamin_baka>There is nothing concrete here. I have just followed the tutorial but no results for MIPS
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17:33<Phr3ak>oh fuck off diggy
17:33<Phr3ak>ya, sure
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17:34<Phr3ak>This dood is trolling ppl
17:34<Phr3ak>say it again diggy
17:34<diggy>fuck off yourself
17:34<bja>Gentlemen you can allways pm yourselves
17:35<Phr3ak>he's now sendimg me dirty pm's
17:35<diggy>good luck
17:35<bja>Phr3ak: there is an /ignore command
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17:36<Phr3ak>i don't know how your doing it
17:36<Phr3ak>probably hacking
17:36<Phr3ak>i'm reporting you as we type
17:36<Phr3ak>NO FUCK YOU GUY
17:36<Phr3ak>oops wron gwindow
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17:37<Phr3ak>NO FUCK YOU GUY
17:37<Phr3ak>NO FUCK YOU GUY
17:37<Phr3ak>NO FUCK YOU GUY
17:37<Phr3ak>NO FUCK YOU GUY
17:37<Phr3ak>NO FUCK YOU GUY
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17:37<tjfontaine>was he removed by dpkg?
17:37<bja>!beer tjfontaine
17:37*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for tjfontaine
17:37<diggy>hey guys, someone can say what he want from me?
17:38<tjfontaine>bja: ok
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17:38<rektide>i really messed up in aptitude and broke 151 packages... how do i exit without saving any changes ?
17:39<dondelelcaro>rektide: undo pending; it's a menu option
17:39<dondelelcaro>rektide: err, undo, or Forget pending actions, rather.
17:39<dondelelcaro>(depending on what you want to do)
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18:01<EmpJoe>Hey how do i add a startup program on debian lenny?
18:01<EmpJoe>O dpm
18:01<EmpJoe>I use the text version
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18:02<themill>!es-social bja
18:02<dpkg>bja: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:02<themill>bja: yes. :)
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18:11<rektide>thanks for the aptitude salvation dondelelcaro
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18:12<EmpJoe>I use the text version
18:12<EmpJoe>of debian
18:12<EmpJoe>i need to know how to add start up programs.
18:12<dpkg>/etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>
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18:14<silencio>Empjoe: you could use: rcconf
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18:33<bja>!ubuntu-es themill
18:33<dpkg>themill: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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18:48<kardan_>hi, have an isl3886 wireless card. the module p54pci is loaded, but the device doesnt appear in ifconfig or /proc/net/dev - while loading the module, dmesg says "p54pci 0000:02:06.0: Cannot find firmware (isl3886pci)"
18:48<kardan_>nick kardan
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18:50<abrotman>did you try the firmware packages ?
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18:54<kardan_>abrotman: i dont know the package. in some german board from 2005 i found the hint to install acerhk. there is acerhk-source - maybe this could be a try
18:54<abrotman>kardan_: aptitude search firmware
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18:55<themill>,pciid 1260:3886
18:55<judd>[1260:3886] is 'ISL3886 [Prism Javelin/Prism Xbow]' from 'Intersil Corporation' with kernel module 'p54pci' in lenny. See also
18:56<kardan_>(it install support for the special keys of my medion laptop first, to enable wlan)
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19:04<chase>Apparently there is some problem with 64 bit and hulu?
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19:04<user01>\msg dpkg aptitude
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19:05<abrotman>chase: doesn't hulu run in flash?
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19:06<chase>yeah, apparently the 64 bit flash isn't compatible with hulu
19:06<chase>googled it and lots of results, after hulu broke for me when installing 64 bit debian
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19:20<alex_111>hello. I'm trying to build an iso with live-helper, but it fails to find the package "aufs-modules-2.6-486". apt-cache policy is "unable to locate" this package. Is that a problem with live-helper or with the depos?
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19:23<bja>judd: versions aufs-modules-2.6-486
19:23<judd>aufs-modules-2.6-486 -- lenny: 2:2.6.26-6+lenny1
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19:25<alex_111>sorry, is "versions" a command? I dont have it installed
19:25<themill>!dbugs 552369
19:25<dpkg>DONE:#552369:N[] RM: linux-modules-extra-2.6 -- ROM; also requested by ftpmaster (moreinfo); Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:27:01 UTC []
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19:26<lotus-blade>can anyone tell me how to get my screen resolution to the right size? I am using a NVIDIA card
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19:27<alex_111>lotus: try using "arandr"
19:28<alex_111>thanx for the info, themill; do you know a way to fix the problem (that live helper still asks for that package)?
19:28<themill>I've never touched livehelper
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19:29<bja>!tell lotus-blade about nvidia
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19:33<retrospectacus>lotus-blade: xrandr -s 1280x1024 or whatever
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19:40<lotus-blade>where are the available modes found?
19:41<lotus-blade>1280x1024 not found
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19:41<bja>lotus-blade: have you configured your card correctly, does your card support that resolution?
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19:44<lotus-blade>not sure it using what it installed by default. not even sure if it is using a good driver
19:44<EmpJoe>Guys how do you add stuff with rcconf
19:44<EmpJoe>like ADD them
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19:48<edhunter>EmpJoe: never used rcconf but have you tried with update-rc.d? (dont know which debian version you have so this might not be an option)
19:48<EmpJoe>i have the latest lenny
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19:51<edhunter>EmpJoe: not sure if it works with lenny.. perhaps someone else can provide you with more help..
19:51<EmpJoe>Could i set up a cron to run
19:51<EmpJoe>like at startup
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20:00<lotus-blade>every time i try to install nvidia kernels it tells me they do not exist
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20:01<lotus-blade>is there something special I am supposed to do to get them?
20:05<chealer>lotus-blade: what do you mean by nvidia kernels?
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20:08<lotus-blade>this stops all installs
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20:10<lotus-blade>I have been following all the links dpkg sent me to
20:10<lotus-blade>nothing works. it all comes back to nvidia-kernel-source
20:12<shaggy_>How can I have a LV with 1 GB Space and fill it with 2.3 GB ???? Doesn't that defeat purpose of LV?
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20:15<shaggy_>could it be related to the fact that I used dd to test the compacity of lv?
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20:24<dondelelcaro>shaggy_: huh?
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20:26<shaggy_>I created an logical volume for /tmp filled formated it JFS 1000 MB and dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/outfile and it copied to 2GB before i stopped it..? why didn't it fill up?
20:26<@weasel>what does du show?
20:26<@weasel>how much space is the file actually using?
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20:27<shaggy_>i believe i check it and it said 2GB but let me run again so i can be sure
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20:29<shaggy_>there is a file list 2.6G as "." but the file outfile is not listed?
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20:29<@weasel>I don't understand what you're saying
20:30<shaggy_>du -h
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20:30<shaggy_>4.0K .ICE-unix
20:30<shaggy_>4.0K .X11-unix
20:30<shaggy_>2.6G .
20:30<@weasel>paste the output of 'ls -la; du -smc *; df -m .' on
20:31<@weasel>(when run in /tmp)
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20:34<shaggy_>i cant paste sorry but outfile is listed in dir from ls and "2605 outfile"
20:34<@weasel>what what does df -m report?
20:35<shaggy_>it doesnt show tmp? is that because it is an lvm?
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20:35<@weasel>no, it means you haven't mounted it
20:36<@weasel>and you're still writing to /
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20:36<shaggy_>hmm... why would installer have me create partitions but never mount them?
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20:37<shaggy_>so should i add lines to /etc/fstab to mount all my lvm partitionS?
20:37<@weasel>of course
20:37<shaggy_>ahh .. I thought installer did that itself... when it installed the base system ... ?
20:37<@weasel>lvm only makes block devices, it doesn't magically cause filesystems on them to be mounted
20:37<shaggy_>because i have /usr and other /var sepearate also
20:38<@weasel>are you sure you actually told it what you wanted to do with those LVs?
20:38<@weasel>are you sure you do?
20:38<@weasel>do they show up in df?
20:38<@weasel>do they show up in mount? fstab? /proc/mounts?
20:38<@weasel>if not then no, you haven't.
20:38<shaggy_>so why didn't installer is my question?
20:38<shaggy_>i told it us lvm lv tmp as /tmp etc
20:38<@weasel>you might have created the LVs but you failed to tell partman what you wanted to use each LV for
20:39<shaggy_>hmm.. well im hosed now huh?
20:39<shaggy_>if i mount /usr it will go over top of /usr that has all bins
20:39*weasel wouldn't put /tmp on lvm anyway. tmpfs rocks
20:40<@weasel>go to single user mode, move /usr aside, create a new, empty /usr dir, mount the new usr filesystem on that, move stuff over. done.
20:40<shaggy_>i had a few more important dirs lvm .. i had /var and /usr
20:40<@weasel>ditto for var
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20:41<@weasel>(tho why anyone would put /usr onto a different filesystem these days...)
20:41<shaggy_>hmm? my first home server
20:41<shaggy_>just playing with it.
20:41<@weasel>how big are your disks?
20:42<shaggy_>1 160 GB PATA
20:42<shaggy_>thats it haha.
20:42<@weasel>10gb /, a bit of swap, rest unpartitioned for now, mount where and when you use it.
20:42<@weasel>carving up your disk into many different filesystems from the beginning is probably not a good strategy anymore
20:42<shaggy_>i want to use diffrent FS for certian dirs. like XFS for FTP dir. jfs for /usr
20:43<shaggy_>well wont jfs out perform XFS for small files like binarys or config?
20:43<@weasel>it just won't matter.
20:43<@weasel>you'll never notice any difference.
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20:43<shaggy_>but i will learn more?
20:43<@weasel>sure, shooting yourself in the foot will teach you plenty.
20:44<@weasel>otoh you will not want to run any production system like that
20:44<shaggy_>what do i lose?
20:44<@weasel>useless complexity bad, mk?
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20:45<shaggy_>as soon as i set it up . i am probably reinstalling anyway to make all partitions encrypted also.
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20:45<shaggy_>thanks for help tho
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21:15<EmpJoe>lets see
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21:31<chengf>Is there any body here?
21:31<EmpJoe>ooo me :P
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21:45<jay_>hello to all, I use network-manager-gnome to connect to my wireless networks, but I can only use it with a graphical environment, and it doesn't even work that well since it will drop the connection after a few minutes and I have to reconnect it manually, that means I cannot leave my computer downloading a big file all night since it will only download for a few minutes, does anyone know what package can I use to connect to my wireless without the need of network-
21:45<jay_>manager, even if it's through command line???
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21:49<ctrl>jay_: i dont know,sorry. but, do you know wicd?
21:49<ctrl>IMO is a lot better than network manager
21:50<jay_>ctrl I've tried wicd but it will not respond for some reason
21:50<jay_>I don't know about IMO however
21:50<ctrl>IMO = In My Opinion :)
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21:54<jay_>ctrl hahahah, ok, gotcha, well, I just installed WICD and it will not respond or it will give me a message about root not able to use it while I try to run it as a regular user
21:56<ctrl>no idea, sorry
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21:57<jay_>ctrl ok, that all right, I'll try the Debian forums then, thanks
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22:06<sanjoyd>Has anyone ever used a Samsung Syncmaster with Debian?
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22:07<sanjoyd>I'm facing some weird problems.
22:08<sanjoyd>The resolution is 1920x1080 all right, but the monitor seems to stretch it out for some reason.
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22:08<sanjoyd>And the weird part is that I've already got it to work on a dual display setup.
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22:25<abrotman>sanjoyd: stretch it out ?
22:29<sanjoyd>abrotman: Uhh, right parts of the desktop is outside the monitor.
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22:30<sanjoyd>abrotman: Any idea?
22:30<abrotman>do you perhaps have some virtual desktop space ?
22:30<sanjoyd>Not really. Wait
22:31<sanjoyd>abrotman: More like something's wrong with the monitor.
22:32<sanjoyd>I am getting a 1920 X 1080 display which is stretched out horizontally.
22:32<sanjoyd>and hence the whole of it does not fit inside the monitor.
22:34<abrotman>sounds like the desktop being displayed is larger than your resolution (the monitor is fine, just that it's givng you more real estate than the monitor can display)
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22:40<sanjoyd>But not resolution-wise. I get an exact 1920x1080, which is what my monitor supports.
22:40<sanjoyd>For some reason that 1920 x 1080 is stretched out not to fit.
22:40<sanjoyd>Even if I take screenshort
22:40<sanjoyd>I get a 1920 X 1080 image.
22:41<sanjoyd>Am downloading Ubuntu now. Lets see if the monitor works there.
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23:15<jhutchins_lt>sanjoyd: Not all images are scaled at 16x9.
23:16<jhutchins_lt>If you view something that's 4x3, and it's expanded to fit the screen, it's going to be stretched.
23:16<jhutchins_lt>sanjoyd: Some things will scale, other things will stretch.
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23:40<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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