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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-02-28

---Logopened Sun Feb 28 00:00:37 2010
00:00<jordanb>So #ubuntu here is pretty much like #debian on freenode? ;)
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00:01<sney>there isn't even an #ubuntu on this network
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00:01<sney>ubuntu (and bt4 and others) users show up in here because someone told them it's basically the same
00:01<sney>and you know, maybe it's similar, but it's not similar enough for a bunch of debian users to provide useful suppot
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00:02<jordanb>Makes sense.
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00:13<momo>salut tout le monde
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00:15<sney>!fr
00:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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00:45<meowcats>"do you have a hard drive or is it a lap top?"
00:45<meowcats>lol
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00:49<chrisf826>hello
00:50<rastasean>whats up
00:50<chrisf826>not much, looking at the new debian stable
00:50<chrisf826>5.0 looks really nice
00:50<rastasean>whats your system?
00:51<chrisf826>i am using a p4 stepping 9 (early northbirdge) 2.6 ghz
00:51<chrisf826>768 mb of ram
00:51<chrisf826>not the fancu multi core p4's
00:51<chrisf826>fancy
00:52<meowcats>debian stable is nice, but somewhat outdated packages
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00:52<chrisf826>it seems that debian was shooting for reliability
00:52<chrisf826>making that decision
00:53<meowcats>yes, but its hard to find support for such old apps
00:53<meowcats>like firefox 3.0
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00:53<meowcats>hard to find plugins
00:53<chrisf826>is that why people use ubuntu?
00:53<chrisf826>for desktop
00:54<meowcats>chrisf826 check out debian testing/squeeze
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00:54<chrisf826>meowcats: i heard that one of my old friends is now a higher up in the debian development crew :)
00:55<chrisf826>meowcats: ben collins
00:55<meowcats>neat
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00:55<meowcats>i just did a clean install of squeeze last night, now i just need to configure alsa
00:56<chrisf826>squeeze use the recent versions of alot of the apps?
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00:56<jordanb>Debian stable isn't really a desktop OS.
00:56<meowcats>yes, and the packages go through a testing phase in the unstable branch before they are put into testing/squeeze
00:56<jordanb>Debian testing works much better for that.
00:56<chrisf826>ahh cool
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00:57<chrisf826>this is the official debian channel?
00:57<meowcats>yes, so things are somewhat unstable in testing, but it wont break as much as unstable
00:57<meowcats>and yes, packages are *very* current
00:57<chrisf826>thanks :)
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00:58<chrisf826>i am thinking of replacing my scanner
00:58<meowcats>get an hp
00:58<chrisf826>its the only device i have that the unix scanner libs does not support these days
00:58<chrisf826>yeah i heard that hp's are the most robustly supported
00:58<meowcats>yes
00:59<meowcats>im unfortunate to own an ATI 4850
00:59<meowcats>kick ass card
00:59<meowcats>but ATI kind of ignores linux
00:59<chrisf826>i own a canon lide 600
00:59<chrisf826>god awful...
01:00<chrisf826>i have found out how to make it do some things inlinux, somsone i found on the net hacked the thing
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01:00<chrisf826>and i extended the hacks
01:00<chrisf826>the phillips chipset this device uses is very strange
01:00<jordanb>I have an epson.
01:00<meowcats>i installed KDE for a while last night to see it (i come from xfce)
01:00<jordanb>It sues that iscan software.
01:00<chrisf826>its a high level type interface
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01:01<meowcats>it was an awful experience!
01:01<jordanb>It's kinda crappy but it produces good results.
01:01<chrisf826>jordanb: iscan uses a high level assembly language api to access the chip
01:01<chrisf826>jordanb: the function calls appear to be high level fairly, simple
01:02<chrisf826>but i am not familiar with the chip to do much with it
01:02<jordanb>yeah
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01:02<jordanb>Maybe somebody could make libsane work as well as iscan, but currently the quality with the latter is much better.
01:02<chrisf826>the chip also has 10 reprogarmmable lines that you can assign software macros
01:03<chrisf826>to do various scan steppings
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01:03<chrisf826>jordanb: i bet canon doesnt like the fact that major oem's will not package their devices with their boxes now
01:04<chrisf826>jordanb: due to not being cross platform
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01:04<jordanb>?
01:05<chrisf826>jordanb: yeah dell/hp and a couple others have certain platform support requirements for their boards
01:05<chrisf826>jordanb: and what is packaged with the machines
01:05<chrisf826>for consumers
01:05<jordanb>What does that have to do with iscan?
01:06<chrisf826>not directly
01:06<chrisf826>but canon does not publish any support for non windows devices
01:06<chrisf826>for most of their products
01:06<jordanb>Oh
01:07<jordanb>Yeah when I bought my epson I recall doing research and finding that, at the time, it had the best linux support.
01:07<jordanb>I just wish I could get good results out of libsane rather than having to use iscan.
01:07<jordanb>But as much as I use it, I can get by with iscan.
01:09<chrisf826>ahh the best support is the hp multi function machines
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01:09<chrisf826>wow
01:10<chrisf826>they wrote libsane to work on windows
01:10<chrisf826>interesting test platform
01:10<chrisf826>:)
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01:13<muaylek>I turned off the laptop at the middle of debian installation, and now I can't load windows or debian.
01:13<meowcats>lexmark has decent drivers too
01:13<chrisf826>http://www.juergen-ernst.de/info_sane.html
01:13<meowcats>even debian packages
01:13<chrisf826>interesting geek stuff
01:13<chrisf826>on that scanner
01:14<muaylek>I tried to installed again but I stuck at choosing a partition
01:14<jordanb>muaylek: Which step in the installation?
01:14<muaylek>guided: partition is too small.
01:14<jordanb>If you did it when it was writing the partition information you might have scrambled your disk.
01:15<meowcats>choose guided, but then change the size of it :p
01:15<muaylek>manually: stuck at the middle of reading the partition table
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01:16<muaylek>now I get into BIOS and do harddisk self-test
01:16<muaylek>and it got stuck at 20%.
01:16<jordanb>I think you should try waiting a while.
01:17<jordanb>Is the hard drive access light still on?
01:17<muaylek>about 1 hr and nothing new happened
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01:18<muaylek>no I think
01:18<muaylek>I can't feel hard-disk spinning either
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01:20<jordanb>I don'tknow.
01:20<jordanb>Cutting power in the middle of a disk operation is always a bad idea.
01:21<jordanb>I guess it's possible that you had a head crash or something.
01:22<muaylek>so I should get it fixed like a normal computer, right
01:22<jordanb>That would be my guess.
01:22<muaylek>okay. Time to pay
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01:34<rastasean>hello guys. can i get help. i'm trying to send a file on my system via ssh. its a rather large file but ftp is not enabled on the other computer. I have read about the scp but itsn't working for me
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02:04<fahim>hello
02:04<cryingthug>fahim: hello
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03:34<Bacteria>Hey, uh, how come when I try to uninstall apache2 it tries to also uninstall gnome as well?
03:37<meowcats>because apaches knows that gnomes are bad for your health
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03:40<eix_>phew, wicd network manager kicks me out off wlan in my room (~40%), i'm in the kitchen right now (~80%) ...
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03:41<eix_>happens both in lenny+bpo as in jaunty (oops...)
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03:47<karika200>er 192.168.0.104
03:48<karika200>sry
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04:05<newbie2this>I just got this os but everytime i go to start it it has my resalution cranked up how can i fix this?
04:06<newbie2this>I dont want to fry my moniter
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04:24<andrew1618>Ok so here is the story, I set up debian about a week ago, wrote down my root password and have su-ed to root many times using it. I go away for 2nights, 2 days and come back, I can login to my user account but not into root using the password I wrote down. I have double checked I have typed in the right password. What the heck has happened? The computer was off whilst I was gone as well (As far as I know). The only thing I
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04:25<Shadow193>Hi all
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04:33<newbie2this>andrew maby the cap lock or case sensative something?
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04:33<Bacteria>Hey, for some reason networkmanager keep clearing my resolv.conf
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04:33<Bacteria>Anyone have any ideas why this is happening?
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04:37<cahoot>'clearing' as in emptying+
04:37<cahoot>?
04:38<andrew1618>I shall be back
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04:39<Bacteria>cahoot, yeah, it empites it and leaves a comment saying configured by NetworkManager
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04:40<Bacteria>It was doing this before and I did a reboot. But it's doing it again.
04:41<cahoot>Bacteria: unless you specifically need n-m I'd risk a suggestion to use wicd instead
04:42<Bacteria>Aye. I'll install that now.
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04:43<aster>hi there
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04:43<Shadow193>yo
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04:44<aster>anyone knows how it's going support for gma 500?
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07:42<ManiDhillon>Okay Ubuntu is derivative of Debian but then why Ubuntu is running perfectly on my NoteBook while Debian's screen is distortrd after complete installation.
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07:46<lantizia>Hey could someone point me in the right direction on that info about getting i386 stuff installed on amd64?
07:46<usuario>ola
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07:46<lantizia>and by that I mean the extra thing thats in the latest version of apt
07:47<kop>ManiDhillon: Because Ubuntu follows sid, the unstable branch. What notebook?
07:47<ManiDhillon>Ackop er Aspire 5738 G
07:47<ManiDhillon>kop Acer Aspire 5738 G
07:48<kop>ManiDhillon: I don't know. It might, possibly, be that you would benefit from a newer kernel from backports.org.
07:48<kop>lantizia: What extra thing? What latest version? (I'm curious.)
07:49<ManiDhillon>kop Okay I'll try that. Thanks man.
07:49<kop>ManiDhillon: Or there may be some other frobbing. I know there's a special package for the eee.
07:49<icebrain>it's probably the graphic drivers, Ubuntu uses the official (closed-source) by default, doesn't it?
07:49<lantizia>kop: it was a thing they put in to the latest version of APT/dpkg that meant it could recognize i386 as being workable on amd64
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07:51<hachi>hi all, how can I upgrade packages selectively on the commandline without flagging them with the 'installed by request' flag or whatever it is...
07:51<icebrain>ManiDhillon: I think you should install nvidia's official drivers. /msg dpkg nvidia
07:52<hachi>I'd like to be able to keep library packages and things in the state that will let me 'autoremove' them one day if I don't need them
07:52<ManiDhillon>kop I have a notebook not netbook. icebrain I have ATI MR 4570 HD
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08:08<ManiDhillon>sidh, well are you using any Solaris derivative?
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08:14<lantizia>hey is anyone familiar with this [arch=i386,amd64] business in your sources.list?!
08:14<lantizia>maybe some documentation somewhere
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08:50<Fnan>Hi all
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08:50<Fnan>Al salam 3alikm ..
08:51<Fnan>=)
08:51<Fnan>bay bay ..
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09:05<valdyn>lantizia: thats obsolete
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09:25<lantizia>valdyn, carwe
09:25<lantizia>valdyn, care to elaboray
09:25<lantizia>damn this laptop keyb
09:25<lantizia>been playing too much frozen bubble... all I know now is left/right and fire
09:25<valdyn>lantizia: sid had multiarch support like that for a short while. It's removed and being redone
09:25<lantizia>ok so whats the current thinking then?
09:26<valdyn>lantizia: no idea, I havent not followed the recent development
09:26<lantizia>OK so in my situation... running amd64... but I need a program from a i386-only repository
09:26<hemanth> what library must be installed to get cuddlefish python?
09:26<lantizia>anything smarter than grabbing the debs individually?
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09:28<lantizia>valdyn?
09:29<valdyn>lantizia: dont use the i386 repo
09:29<valdyn>lantizia: theres always a better solution
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09:37<david>HOLA
09:37<david>HI
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09:37<Guest227>HOLA
09:37<Guest227>HI
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09:45<Guest228>bonjour
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09:46<Guest228>y a t'il des utilisateurs de debian avec xfce?
09:46<valdyn>!fr
09:46<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
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09:56<aheron>is there any way to detect all the nonfree package that are installed on my system??
09:57<pusling>vrms
09:57<aheron>??
09:58<pusling>apt-cache show vrms
09:58<aheron>oh firts time seeing that thanks body
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10:04<karme>aptitude search '?and(?installed,?section(non-free))' or if you also want contrib: aptitude search '?and(?installed,?or(?section(non-free),?section(contrib)))'
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10:06<karme>short form: aptitude search '~i~snon-free'
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10:09<ladoga|banaani>how to fetch some package always from unstable while keeping on using testing?
10:10<ladoga|banaani>...for rest of stuff
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10:17<karme>!tell ladoga|banaani about pinning
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10:18<Lethalman>ladoga|banaani, set default release to testing and add unstable to sources.list and you're done
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11:19<otakup0pe>hi quick question. i can't seem to find the kghostview package. it's listed on packages.debian.org but i can't find it on my debian machine
11:19<otakup0pe>this seems like something very silly which i am doing wrong but for the life of me i can't figure it out
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11:21<jordanb>What distribution is it in?
11:21<jordanb>For instance, do youhave testing and is the p.d.o listing not in testing?
11:21<jordanb>Same for non-free, etc.
11:21<cahoot>otakup0pe: aptitude search kghostview returns nil?
11:23<cahoot>otakup0pe: also - you have a sane sources.list?
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11:26<Commander_Keen>Hi there
11:26<jordanb>Let's start a border blaster radio station.
11:27<Commander_Keen>i just want to test debian and i am wondering what iso i have to d/l.... 64-bit Intel CPU ... what iso do i have to take?
11:27<cahoot>i386 or amd64
11:28<Commander_Keen>what's the difference for me?
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11:29<otakup0pe>yeah i can't find it in aptitude either
11:29<cahoot>depends on how much ram you have
11:29<Commander_Keen>4 GB
11:29<otakup0pe>it's pretty sane. it's lenny, backports and a repo for work
11:29<otakup0pe>this is the first time i've seen a package dissapear
11:29<otakup0pe>on wait no i'm on unstable nm ^_^
11:29<otakup0pe>and kde seems to have other problems right now anyway.
11:30<cahoot>Commander_Keen: might be useful to choose amd64 then
11:31<Commander_Keen>hm strange ... amd for a intel cpu
11:31<Commander_Keen>:D
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11:31<cahoot>!amd64
11:31<dpkg>i heard amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>.
11:32<Commander_Keen>ok
11:32<Commander_Keen>thx that answers my question
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11:32<yow>Commander_Keen: i'd go for amd64 if i were u, to take advantage of the 64-bit CPU. However, u may find that not all i386 apps have been ported to amd64.
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11:35<yow>Commander_Keen: anyway, have to go to bed now as it's 00:35 CST now.
11:35<yow>have a good day everyone.
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11:35<Commander_Keen>thx and bye
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11:37<crazycheese>hey all, I have a sound trouble. Every time I start the machine, the sound card is completely turned off, regardless of how I set it before. Im running debian testing x64, alsa, pulseaudio, xfce all from current testing. Hw is athlon II x2 240 on ASUS M3N78-EM board. The onboard codec is: ALC1200. Uname --all: Linux debian-linux 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux. Lspci: http://dpaste.org/X
11:37<crazycheese>VGe/
11:37<crazycheese>lspci: http://dpaste.org/XVGe/
11:37<cahoot>crazycheese: alsa-utils installed?
11:38<crazycheese>yes
11:38<crazycheese>snd card works, it is simply turned off AND muted every boot.
11:39<cahoot>crazycheese: what does /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 give?
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11:39<crazycheese>"Resetting ALSA card 0...done."
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11:40<cahoot>crazycheese: and speaker-test confirms?
11:40<crazycheese>cahoot: is it enough for reboot? The volume is unchanged, I think I have to reboot to confim this :(
11:40<crazycheese>confirm
11:40<cahoot>crazycheese: just try alsa force-reload
11:42<crazycheese>cahoot: If this way, yes seems everything is up and vol @ 100. I will reboot to test out. Thanks a lot! Bb in 1 min.
11:42<MeglaW_>stupid tor wont give me a hostname file
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11:44<crazycheese>cahoot: No, after reboot its back to off and muted. Dang..
11:45<cahoot>crazycheese: check you have symlinks to alsa-utils in /etc/rc2
11:46<cahoot>err rcS
11:46<crazycheese>kk
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11:46<crazycheese>cahoot: S21alsa-utils
11:47<crazycheese>cahoot: its here.
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11:47<cahoot>crazycheese: alsa-utils is responsible for unmuting and to set sane levels
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11:48<crazycheese>cahoot: Im pretty sure pulseaudio has nothing to do with it, and card was muted before I installed PA too.
11:48<crazycheese>cahoot: but thx for tipps! :)
11:48<cahoot>crazycheese: it's s50 here
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11:49<cahoot>well S50
11:49<crazycheese>cahoot: S21alsa-utils -> ../init.d/alsa-utils. Seems correct.
11:50<crazycheese>cahoot: system is 6 months old, I thought its something with kernel etc, but nothing has changed although its uptodate... :(
11:50<Fr1sT>hello! Russians have?
11:50<cahoot>crazycheese: could enable bootlogd and see if some error is logged
11:50<crazycheese>Can anyone suggest some good bootlogging utils(not graph), beside bootlogd?
11:51<crazycheese>cahoot: oops...
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11:51<crazycheese>cahoot: :) Thought in that way :) But I have no in-depth knowledge on debian. Thanks for tips cahoot!
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11:52<crazycheese>Isnt there an option for bootloging beside installing some additional things like bootlogd? Any other boot loggers?
11:53<abrotman>!bootlog
11:53<dpkg>hmm... bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
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11:53<crazycheese>thx abrotman!
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11:59<Elessar>Hello.
11:59<Elessar>On a debootstraped system, I have debconf/whiptail glitches I have never seen before.
12:00<Elessar>The <Ok> <Cancel> buttons, for instance, appear with extra abnormal letters in them. I think they are generated by bold or color instructions for hotkeys.
12:00<Elessar>Has anybody already seen that?
12:01<sney>could be a font or locale issue
12:01<Elessar>Well, same problem with xterm, rxvt-unicode and linux console.
12:01<Elessar>Even from a debian-live system, chrooting into mine.
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12:01<sney>locale settings are global
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12:02<sney>try dpkg-reconfigure locales and make sure you've got what you need
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12:02<Elessar>http://vanvogt.ortolo.eu/~tanguy/debconf.png
12:02<Elessar>Yes, well, it happens even with the C locale.
12:03<sney>hmm.
12:03<Elessar>Or the POSIX locale, too.
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12:03<Elessar>I wonder if it is not a terminfo problem, but what exactly, no idea.
12:05<Elessar>Same with TERM=vt102, by the way.
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12:05<babilen>Just joined, but could it be: #571044?
12:05<Elessar>Yes, looks like.
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12:06<babilen>alright - before you keep on configuring your locale :)
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12:07<babilen>might i suggest installing apt-listbugs? you are running sid, aren't you?
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12:08<sney>it's a fresh debootstrapped install, babilen
12:09<indigo6>Good morning, everyone...
12:09<indigo6>I'm having a strange problem with repartitioning my drive -- debian is installed on sda3 (55 Gigs), so I've left that partition untouched, but I made all the space before that into sda1 -- which should be about 80 Gigs... but it's only reading as 55 ??? I followed the usual steps... cfdisk, then mkfs.ext3... all looks good, and even fsck says no errors -- Any ideas?
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12:09<babilen>sney: ah, stable?
12:10<sney>babilen: don't know, but apt-listbugs wouldn't help with installing
12:10<indigo6>Sorry to interrupt -- I posted this in debian-kde, too, but not sure it's a kde thing... I'll just idle and wait to see if anyone knows what might be going on.
12:10<babilen>sney: sure
12:10<abrotman>indigo6: fdisk -l /dev/sda .. as root
12:10<indigo6>ok
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12:12<indigo6>interesting....
12:12<indigo6>/dev/sda1 1 10273 82517841 83 Linux
12:12<indigo6>/dev/sda2 18960 19457 4000185 5 Extended
12:12<indigo6>/dev/sda3 10274 17567 58589055 83 Linux
12:12<indigo6>/dev/sda5 18960 19457 4000153+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris
12:12<indigo6>Partition table entries are not in disk order
12:13<indigo6>from cfdisk --
12:13<indigo6> sda1 Primary Linux ext3 84498.31
12:13<indigo6> sda3 Primary Linux ext3 59995.20
12:13<indigo6> Pri/Log Free Space 11449.59
12:13<indigo6> sda5 Logical Linux swap / Solaris 4096.19
12:13<sney>here it comes
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12:13<babilen>!tell indigo6 -about paste
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12:14<DervishD>Hey guys, Im having a problem with update-initramfs after todays full-upgrade. New version is 0.93.4 but on updating the initrd it gets stuck on "Copying module directory kernel/drivers/char/agp". Anyone have a similar problem?
12:15<indigo6>sorry... paste for future notice, no problem
12:15<jhutchins_lt>DervishD: stable?
12:16<DervishD>jhutchins_lt, no, testing
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12:16<jhutchins_lt>DervishD: Congratulations, your test has successfully found a problem!
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12:18<DervishD>jhutchins_lt: lol. The problem is aptitude is now also stuck. Because update-initramfs was just sitting there i forced aptitude to quit with Ctrl>C. dpkg -- configure -a also doesn't do anything to fix update-initramfs. I'm lost here.
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12:21<jhutchins_lt>DervishD: I would suggest manually making sure that grub isn't going to try to boot the new kernek, then look at the actual utilities like mkinitrd or whatever's in testing.
12:22<DervishD>jhutchins_lt: I'll have a look @ mkinitrd to see if I can find anything out.
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12:24<jhutchins_lt>s/kernek/kernel/
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12:28<MASTERPC>problem with nvidia driver 190.53 complied
12:29<sney>!details
12:29<dpkg>If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable.
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12:50<usuario>marmota
12:51<usuario>holaaa
12:51<Muzer>what's the easiest way to get a list of network interfaces?
12:51<Muzer>from the shell
12:51<usuario>en español....
12:52<weasel>ifconfig?
12:52<weasel>!es
12:52<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:52<Muzer>weasel: Quite hard to parse in a script
12:52<Muzer>actually, maybe not
12:53<Muzer>yeah, managed it, thanks
12:53<Muzer>ifconfig | cut -d " " -f 1 | grep -v ^\$
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12:54<themill>Muzer: "ip a" might be better for you
12:55<weasel>s/a/l/
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12:55<themill>fair call
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12:58<Muzer>that looks harder to parse to me actually
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13:00<ikarus>it is
13:03<themill>*shrug*. At the risk of turning this into #bash where everyone feels the need to provide their own one-liner for processing a bit of output: ip l | sed -nr 's/[[:digit:]]*: (.*):.*/\1/p'
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13:06<Muzer>that's a lot more scary-looking than the ilwlist one :p
13:08<Muzer>is there any particular reason to use ip though?
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13:11<Muzer>oh, and is there a better way to find out which cards have wifi than simply the ones with "wlan" in their name? :p
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13:12<Muzer>ah, very simple actually
13:12<themill>Muzer: looking for wlan won't work for a lot of different drivers -- ipw2x00 gives ethX, atheros gives athX, ...
13:12<Muzer>iwconfig 2>/dev/null | cut -d " " -f 1 | grep -v ^\$
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13:12<ravi>I'm caught in a catch-22, apt-get is stuck, it has to configure few packages incl. udev
13:12<themill>! what's my wireless
13:12<dpkg>Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>.
13:12<Muzer>that one should list all wifi cards for every driver
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13:13<ravi>"udev" which can't happen unless there is a newer kernel
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13:13<Muzer>any reason why this won't work? iwconfig 2>/dev/null | cut -d " " -f 1 | grep -v ^\$
13:13<themill>!udev squeeze
13:13<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>
13:13<ravi>it is insisting on "apt-get -f install"
13:13<ravi>when I do that it tries to configure udev
13:14<ravi>how to make it forget to do "apt-get -f install" ?
13:14<themill>Muzer: should work out.
13:14<peej>ugh, sed. ip l | cut -f2 -d: | grep "^ " for the list of interfaces thing
13:14<themill>peej: yes, because two pipes is naturally better :)
13:14<ravi>apt-get clean didn't work, it brings those packages once again
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13:15<peej>themill, your point is well taken but ... sed.... <shudder>
13:15<themill>ravi: what does "aptitude -f install linux-image-686" want to do (substitute -amd64 or whatever as appropriate)
13:15<Muzer>I do prefer cut and grep, it makes much cleaner code - but I could have written that sed :p
13:15<ravi>themill: ok
13:16<themill>ravi: stick the entire output in a pastebin; /msg dpkg paste
13:16<Muzer>also, why [[:digit:]] instead of simply [0-9]?
13:16<Muzer>much fewer keystrokes :p
13:16<ravi>themill: it says "unmet dependencies" do apt-get -f install with no packages
13:17<peej>Muzer, sigh, I can never remember those things. I have a cheat list for that for the next time I have to do a round of sed stuff.
13:17<mountains>does bob2 still hang out here?
13:17<themill>ravi: I've never seen aptitude say so little before...
13:17<ravi>it says lot more
13:17<ravi>it says hal depends udev,
13:17<Muzer>peej: I don't either - I just don't use ridiculous things like [[:digit:]] and use common sense instead :p
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13:17<ravi>initramfs-tools depends udev
13:18<ravi>this is with apt-get not aptitude, I didn;t use aptitude
13:18<themill>*sigh*
13:18<ravi>why?
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13:19<ravi>themill: I missed out that suggestion to paste, will do now
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13:19<Muzer>one thing I do hate
13:19<Muzer>is Zenity
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13:21<Muzer>zenity --list --radiolist --text="Your Wii has more than one WiFi card. Please select which wifi card you wish to use. If you don't know which is which, and you have another WiFi card plugged in that you don't want, press cancel, unplug it, wait a few seconds and rerun this program." --column='*' --column="Interface name" $(for f in $(iwconfig 2>/dev/null | cut -d " " -f 1 | grep -v ^\$); do echo FALSE; echo $f; done)
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13:21<Muzer>if it was sane and didn't force you to supply input for the checklist column, I wouldn't have to do that :p
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13:24<Helpme>hi everybody, i need your help
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13:24<Helpme>after starting my computer; grub show me the menu; I see "Load Linux 2.6.33" and "Loading initial ramdisk"
13:24<Helpme>and nothing else ; computer freeze
13:24<Helpme>My pb is that I have no msg to point at the pb (no log, no msg on the screen, nothing)
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13:25<ravi>themill: http://pastebin.com/YvwCHizF
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13:26<ravi>themill: that's the url of the pasted output
13:26<Helpme>My pb is that I have no msg to point at the pb (no log, no msg on the screen, nothing)the same pb with 2.6.30 and 2.6.32
13:26<abrotman>ravi: please use aptitude
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13:26<Helpme>the same pb with 2.6.30 and 2.6.32
13:26<Helpme>using debian's binary image
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13:27<Helpme>is there some log file where i can see what happend ?
13:28<ravi>abrotman: I am getting the same error with aptitude too, after this is fixed, i will use aptitude
13:28<abrotman>ravi: we want to see pastes using aptitude .. not apt-get
13:29<ravi>abrotman: oh
13:29<ravi>ok
13:30<ravi>aptitude -f install's?
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13:31<Helpme>no one to point to the right direction ?!!
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13:35<ravi>http://pastebin.com/dP6NNVSB
13:35<ravi>using aptitude
13:36<abrotman>ravi: do you want to do a full-upgrade ?
13:36<ravi>no
13:37<ravi>I don't even need the new udev
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13:40<peej>I've got a pcmcia wireless card in lenny that has crap network connectivity (losing about 50% of its pings) after I upgraded from etch. Possibly related to bug 504386. Wondering if I should install a new kernel.
13:41<abrotman>ravi: aptitude full-upgrade
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13:44*peej install the bpo kernel image for lenny ( 2.6.26-2-686 -> 2.6.30-bpo.1-686)
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13:46<cesurasean>which php packages are available on squeeze? is it possible install php 5.2.x? 5.3 does not seem to be well supported with Zend Optimizer...
13:47<cesurasean>do i have to backport 5.2.x?
13:48<abrotman>squeeze has 5.2.x
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13:50<chealer>cesurasean: only 5.3. It should be possible. that wouldn't be a "backport", but I don't think so.
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13:51<abrotman>judd: versions php5
13:51<judd>php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5
13:51<abrotman>oh .. it did flow in finally .. bleh
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13:52<muzy>Good evening everyone
13:52<muzy>I have a little issue with the debian installer
13:52<khades_>debian squeezed
13:53<muzy>I want to install debian from an usb-stick to a sd-card
13:53<TheFox>hi
13:53<muzy>the problem is, that the debian installer does not leave the hdd untouched
13:53<TheFox>i have a problem with my network interfaces
13:54<muzy>while installing the boot loader the setup write it to the hdd
13:54<muzy>has someone an idea howto solve the issue?
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13:55<cesurasean>TheFox, what is the problem?
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13:55<TheFox>i have 2 interfaces in my debian pc with 2 different ip adresses. but if i shutdown one of them, the ip adress is anyway pingable. why?
13:55<cesurasean>TheFox, how did you shut the interface down?
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13:56<TheFox>with "ifdown eth0"
13:56<cesurasean>is the card still connected when you run ifconfig?
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13:57<TheFox>eth0 is not in ifconfig listed, but the ip is pingable
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13:57<TheFox>only if i shutdown both interfaces no ip is pingable
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13:59<TheFox>only if i reboot the pc the ip adress of eth0 is not pingable
13:59<TheFox>this is very strange
13:59<TheFox>looks like the ip adress is in the cache or so...
14:00<TheFox>if i make the same with gentoo linux, the eth0 interface is really down
14:00<TheFox>but not with debian. why?
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14:04<TheFox>is there no debian guru out there, who can solve my problem?
14:04<cesurasean>TheFox, i believe networking has to be restarted for this to take effect.
14:05<cesurasean>/etc/init.d/networking
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14:06<karme>TheFox: sounds strange
14:06<karme>TheFox: try ip addr
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14:06<karme>TheFox: do you do any bridging?
14:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 411] by debhelper
14:07<TheFox>no
14:07<karme>TheFox: multiple addresses per interface?
14:07<TheFox>no
14:07<TheFox>2 real network interfaces with 2 different ip adresses
14:08<karme>TheFox: and the output of ip addr after ifdown ethX is?
14:08<karme>TheFox: dhcp in the game? or 2 interfaces with static addresses?
14:08<TheFox>on eachother os this works fine: if i shutdown one interface, this interface is also down. but not with debian. on debian i must restart my pc
14:09<peej>thefox, I think it's because any network interface can respond for the old ip address unless you fix it in proc 'cos it's in cache
14:09<karme>TheFox: nah
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14:09<karme>TheFox: you did some mistake somewhere ;-)
14:09<TheFox>2 interfaces with static addr
14:10<karme>TheFox: and you only used ifup and ifdown
14:10<TheFox>no, i have also one network wire on eth2. on eth0 is nothing connected but its pingable
14:10<TheFox>yes
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14:11<karme>TheFox: you should probably pastebin: /etc/network/interfaces and ip addr output after ifdown
14:11<karme>TheFox: unfortunately i have to leave now
14:11<karme>anybody else can jump in?
14:12<karme>TheFox: maybe another machine claiming that ip?
14:12<TheFox>no
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14:13<TheFox>if i shutdown eth2 the both ip adresses are not longer pingable
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14:14<TheFox>/etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/jnw3LZw3
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14:15<chaos>what does NetworkManagerD.... do?
14:15<chaos>apart from eating my cpu
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14:16<icebrain>chaos: manages the network connections. If your network is static it's not very useful
14:16<chaos>cool, thx
14:16*chaos kills it
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14:16<TheFox>ip addr output http://pastebin.com/2TUVd6Xh
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14:18<peej>thefox, check the value of arp-ignore
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14:19<icebrain>chaos: that's not exactly my point. If you want to get rid of it, you should unninstall NetworkManager and configure your network in /etc/network/interfaces manually.
14:20<TheFox>arp-ignore?
14:20<icebrain>or you can install wicd, which is a lighter network manager
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14:20<chaos>icebrain: my network is configured in /etc/network/interfaces (both nics have static ips)
14:21<peej>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/arp_ignore
14:22<chaos>icebrain: but if i remove network-manager it'll remove a bunch of other packages which i want to keep
14:22<TheFox>peej: 0
14:23<icebrain>chaos: oh, ok.
14:23<peej>thefox, set it to 1 and see if that fixes the problem. My guess.
14:23<Lethalman_>chaos, which one
14:24<Lethalman_>chaos, they most probably recommend network-manager but don't depend on it
14:25<TheFox>peej: ok and that means?
14:26<icebrain>yeah, the only packages that depend on nm (at least in Sid) are networkmanager addons and the Sugar GUI
14:26<bremner>chaos: "aptitude why network-manager" might be helpful
14:26<peej>arp_ignore=0 means any interface will claim the ip on arp, 1 means only the interface with the ip responds.
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14:27<peej>debian may have defaults that differ from other distros here.
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14:28<chaos>Lethalman_: kde packages
14:28<TheFox>ok and where can i set it to 1 ?
14:28<Lethalman_>chaos, really they depend on network-manager or recommend them?
14:28<Lethalman_>ops
14:28<Lethalman_>*recommend it?
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14:29<conny>hi
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14:29<chaos>network-manager-kde depends on network-manager
14:29<bremner>well, why do you need nm-kde if you don't need nm?
14:29<conny>I hope this question isn't too stupid.. how do I configure gnome to be in a different language? I would like it to be german for some users
14:30<TheFox>peej: in /etc/sysctl.conf ?
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14:30<chaos-irssi>The following packages will be REMOVED kcontrol* kde* kde-core* kdeaddons* kdebase* kdenetwork* kdesktop* kdetoys* kdm* kicker* kicker-applets* knewsticker* konq-plugins* konqueror* konqueror-nsplugins* kpersonalizer* ksplash* kteatime* network-manager* network-manager-kde*
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14:31<chaos>i don't care why they would be removed ... i don't aim to fix debian :P i killed the thing eating my cpu i'm happy
14:31<Lethalman_>chaos-irssi, you will be able to remove it, but you need some knowledge of apt
14:31<chaos>i could kill it with dpkg obviously
14:31<chaos>but why bother?
14:31<Lethalman_>no you can't either
14:32<Lethalman_>ah ok
14:32<Lethalman_>if you don't care.. np
14:32<chaos>i could tell it to ignore everything and do what i said
14:32<Lethalman_>chaos, yeah and then try upgrading your system after that
14:32<Lethalman_>that's not the right way of doing things sorry
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14:32<chaos>exactly... why poke it for hours when i have better things to do?
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14:33<chaos>but i'm really grateful for the info but thx, no thx :)
14:34<peej>thefox: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/arp_ignore will do it until reboot, or you set net.ipv4.conf.all.arp_ignore = 1 in sysctl.conf
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14:35<TheFox>peej: IT WORKS!!! :D
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14:35<TheFox>thx you all for your help
14:36<TheFox>yippee
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14:47<peej>kewl
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14:48<peej>maybe I'll be a guru someday yet
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14:49<sney>I've been using debian on and off for about 10 years and I'm not a guru yet
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14:50<peej>heh, me too
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14:53<MeglaW_>same here sney and peej
14:53<MeglaW_>i will never be a guru, thay change stuff to quickly
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14:54<marcot>Good afternoon. Is there a search tool for the files in the source packages?
14:54<marcot>I want to find in each source package there's a file named foo.c
14:54<peej>marcot: apt-file search
14:55<marcot>peej: Doesn't apt-file search only the content of the binary packages?
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14:55<babilen>marcot: That won't search the *complete* source package, but those files that will be installed into the system
14:56<peej>ah, marcot, I misunderstood the question
14:56<marcot>babilen: Ok. I want a tool to search for the source packages.
14:56<babilen>marcot: Is this what you want or do you actually want to search the complete source package (stuff like debian/rules etc ...) ?
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14:57<marcot>babilen: Yes... I'm mostly interested in .orig.tar.gz, but it'll be good to be able to search debian/ too.
14:57<babilen>marcot: Not aware of such a tool, which does not mean that it does not exist. You could ask in #debian-mentors, they might know something ...
14:58<marcot>babilen: I asked in #debian-devel
14:58<TheFox>peej: hm, with apr ignore, there is a other problem. only one of the both interface work. but not both at the same time. i would use both interfaces on 2 different networks
14:58<babilen>marcot: And they don't know too?
14:58<marcot>babilen: I just asked. =)
14:59<babilen>marcot: I saw it ... :)
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15:03<peej>TheFox, navigate the directories at /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ - you can set the arp-ignore/accept stuff per interface, or for all - adjust to taste. I haven't played around with it myself, but that's what it looks like.
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15:05<Hanni>hey someone speaks german?
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15:05<TheFox>peej: thx for your help
15:05<TheFox>Hanni: yes, i speak german
15:06<babilen>!tell Hanni -about de
15:06<peej>dpkg, de?
15:06<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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15:06<Hanni>ok
15:06<babilen>Hanni: Oder versuchs hier auf Englisch
15:07<Hanni>ich guck mal schnell in dem de channel
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15:11<Hanni>so i want to try debian 5 on my pc (windows) but when i try to use the mouse for the installation i can't use it.
15:11<Hanni>the ps/2 mouse and the usb mouse dont work
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15:14<mercutio22>hello
15:14<mercutio22>my screen keeps going black
15:14<mercutio22>cawn you help me out by looking at my .xsession-errors file?
15:15<mercutio22>hopefully I will be able to paste it before it happens again
15:15<mercutio22>just a sec
15:15<icebrain>mercutio22: use pastebin
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15:17<mercutio22>icebrain: sure.. will do
15:17<craigevi1>mercutio22: what video card? if its intel take a look at http://ikibiki.org//blog/2010/01/08/Xorg_tricks_for_Intel_users/
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15:19<mercutio22>here http://pastebin.ca/1815965
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15:19<francisco>hello
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15:19<mercutio22>craigevi1: yeah its intel. I will have a look
15:19<icebrain>!greet francisco
15:19<dpkg>G'day, francisco
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15:20<francisco>i haven't permissions tu rename my own default desktop icons in xfce
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15:22<mercutio22>craigevi1: I am using squeeze though, should I be affected?
15:23<craigevi1>mercutio22: the post is a bit old, i think squeeze has the version of xorg that the post was talking about, wont hurt to try
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15:23<ladoga|banaani>Lethalman_: thanks. i found it on apt howto, but forgot to reply
15:23<TurkuaZ>.
15:24<TurkuaZ>SeLam :))
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15:26<TurkuaZ>KimSe Yokmu :)
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15:29<peej>what's the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 (-> (2.6.30+20~bpo50+1)) and linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686 on backports?
15:30<weasel>TurkuaZ: don't do that.
15:31<weasel>peej: the former is just a metapackage, the other an actual kernel package.
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15:32<TurkuaZ>ne
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15:32<TurkuaZ>what ?
15:32<TurkuaZ> :)
15:33<Muzer>can someone give me sample iwlist scan output for: Open network, network with WEP, network with WPA? Oh, and is there an easy way to deduce (from a script) which wpa_supplicant driver to use?
15:33<weasel>ctcp the whole channel.
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15:41<mercutio22>sl
15:41<mercutio22>ls
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15:42<peej>weasel, ok, but the metapackage points me to bpo.1, but I am able to find a bpo.2. (http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686, http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686). I have no idea what the difference should be.
15:44<weasel>the metapackage is probably just horribly out of date
15:44<weasel>especially since bpo now also has .32 kernels
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15:56<XoniX>How can i set the program output and logging to english ?
15:56<peej>weasel - ah, that's useful
15:56<weasel>XoniX: LC_ALL=C
15:57<weasel>XoniX: (or en_US and similar as a value, and/or LANG, LC_MESSAGES etc as variables)
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15:59<XoniX>weasel: en_ALL=en_US doesnt work the program output doesnt change the output language.. recompile ?
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16:00<weasel>what's en_ALL supposed to be?
16:00<weasel>just set LC_ALL=C
16:00<weasel>(and maybe export it, depending on how you call stuff)
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16:03<edbian>Is there an N64 emulator in the repos?
16:05<gsimmons>edbian: Yes.
16:05<edbian>gsimmons, I can't seem to find one. package name?
16:05<XoniX>weasel: thanks
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16:06<gsimmons>edbian: /msg dpkg mupen64plus
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16:07<edbian>gsimmons, I can't find it! Is it in main?
16:07<edbian>gsimmons, On second thought. I'll do my own research. thanks for the help
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16:07<edbian>:)
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16:08<edbian>A better question: Is there a DSFG nintendo 64 emulator?
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16:21<jhutchins_lt>weasel: How do you actually set the localle for the system?
16:21<jhutchins_lt>weasel: Make a permanent language change?
16:22<weasel>etc/environment, etc/default/locale
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16:23<kenyon>!locale
16:23<dpkg>hmm... locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info.
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16:26<jhutchins_lt>tnx
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17:48<leejongwook>hello :)
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17:49<leejongwook>i found really good one, spent 2 years to find this. i would like to share if someone interesting in Korean language and virtual terminal.
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17:49<leejongwook>http://leejongwook.summerhost.info/ <-- :) i can write/read Korean within VT now
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17:49<leejongwook>bye :) everyone
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18:45<father0fnine>Does debian offer a graphics X browser that is even lighter/smaller than iceweasel? I need something that can be called up remotely and iceweasel lags to much.
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18:46<edhunter>father0fnine: i guess midori (gtk) arora (qt) are lighter than IW
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18:47<edhunter>konqueror probably also (kde)
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18:51<father0fnine>I will give them a try. thank you. I was curious if the KDE/QT/GTK libraries would weigh the rendering down or not.
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18:52<fgh>hi, im using chrome. why are videoclips so lagy?
18:52<edhunter>father0fnine: IW needs too much memory. generally speaking gtk needs less ram than KDE / Qt so midori is probably a good idea
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18:57<jozhee>faq
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19:54<junior>hi
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21:15<NevesUdi>noite
21:15<NevesUdi>alguem usa a kai ?
21:16<abrotman>!br
21:16<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:16<NevesUdi>good night
21:16<NevesUdi>Somebody use the kai for play xbox games on line ?
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21:17<abrotman>this channel is for Debian support
21:17<NevesUdi>exit
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21:30<JustRob>Is there a console app for viewing .doc files? Or is something like antiword and coverting it to plain text my best bet?
21:32<kenyon>JustRob: less, via lesspipe, if you have catdoc installed
21:33<JustRob>ah
21:33<JustRob>just have to hope it's not too complex a .doc file then
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21:34<abrotman>antiword ?
21:35<JustRob>converts word .docs to real file formats
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21:36<abrotman>i know what it is .. i was suggesting you use it :)
21:37<JustRob>oh, gotcha
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22:04<knoppix_>hello
22:04<knoppix_>i need help
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22:05<Guest278>hello , i need help installing knoppix 6.2.1
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22:06<p`Hm->hi
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22:07<wally1337>ok so here is my question: I installed debian 5.0 on the 23rd of feb. I wrote down my root password and was able to su to root to perform admin activities up until friday the 26th of feb when I went away. The computer was shutdown and the only odity that happened was booting into windows xp for abit of gaming that day. I get back on sunday feb 28th from a holiday and my root password absoloutely does not work, even after
22:07<wally1337> being checked a few times. Admittedly I did type it in incorrectly about 5 times however I soon double checked it with my written down password and typed it in correctly. Now it keeps saying it's the wrong password. What the heck has happened?
22:08<p`Hm->??
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22:08<p`Hm->did you try whit "toor"
22:08<wally1337>why would it be toor
22:09<Guest278>hello everyone
22:09<p`Hm->its the default one
22:09<Guest278>p`Hm?
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22:10<stack_underflow>I want to switch to google dns: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using.html#setup , would I use "Changing DNS server settings on a Debian server" or "Configuring DHCP client software on a Debian server"?
22:10-!-Guest278 is now known as Ben90
22:10<Ben90>can someone please help me?
22:10<adb>!knoppix
22:10<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
22:10<edhunter>wally1337: i think simplest thing to do would be to use a liveCD, change passwd and be done with it. no clue what the problem might be (unauthorized access perhaps?)
22:10<Ben90>ok
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22:18<router>hello
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22:27<hss>hi guys i install debian testing and have a grub problem. there is no menu.lst file under /boot/grub
22:27<sney>that's because it's grub2
22:27<hss>:S
22:27<ctrl>and is located in /etc
22:27<sney>most settings are in /etc/default/grub, and if you need it to detect a windows installation on another drive/partition, install os-prober
22:28<ctrl>equipo:/etc/grub.d# ls
22:28<ctrl>00_header 05_debian_theme 10_linux 30_os-prober 40_custom README
22:28<hss>ohh thx :)
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22:35<hss>sney, i try install os-prober its allready installed and when run os prober it recognize my winxp but i cant see under grub menu :S
22:35<sney>run update-grub
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22:40<hss>its ok thx i can see winxp under grub.cfg
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22:52<hss>guys i add testing non-free repos but cant found fglrx driver :S
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22:52<abrotman>not currently in testing
22:53<hss>:S
22:53<adb>change testing to squeeze
22:54<abrotman>won't help .. though it is a good idea
22:54<hss>wait a sec i already on squeeze :S
22:54<cesurasean>i can ping www.domain.com , but not domain.com. any clue as to what my problem would be? there is an A record for www, and everything. i don't see why this isn't working like it was before...
22:55<sney>hss: you will probably need to do a testing-unstable mix and use the ati driver from sid
22:55<cesurasean>because one of my domains im able to ping www.domain.com, and domaon.com
22:57<hss>sney, can u look @my sources.list here pls http://pastebin.ca/1816487
22:57<abrotman>that's a sure way to get it broken at a later date
22:57<abrotman>hss: comment out the last two lines
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22:59<hss>should i remove them _?
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22:59<adb>hss, add contrib non-free to line 6
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22:59<sney>hss: just put # in front of them
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22:59<hss>ok
23:00<adb>better remove them
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23:09<hss>sney, still cant found fglrx :S
23:10<sney>you could use radeonhd with firmware-linux-nonfree
23:11<sney>I don't have an ati card currently so I don't know what the procedure is for installing fglrx on squeeze
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23:12<hss>:( ok thx anyway
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23:13<freddy>hey, has anyone else seen this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569507
23:13<freddy>I've just run into it trying to update google earth.
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23:14<ctrl>freddy: i do not remenber if was that message, but i cant install it in sid
23:15<freddy>yep I'm on sid.
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23:15<freddy>but I installed it successfully only three days ago on a different pc.
23:15<ctrl>in sid too?
23:15<freddy>ctrl: yep.
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23:15<ctrl>give me a sec, i will try to install it now
23:16<freddy>I'm just running this. not actually building a package! sh ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin
23:16<ctrl>yep
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23:17<freddy>ctrl: my version is 5.1.3533.1731
23:17<ctrl>Uncompressing Google Earth for GNU/Linux 5.1.3533.1731....
23:17<ctrl>lets see...
23:17<ctrl>No protocol specified
23:17<ctrl>hum
23:17<ctrl>maibe xhost
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23:18<ctrl>installing...
23:19<ctrl>now i remember what was not good with googeearh
23:19<ctrl>install is ok, but i can not see the earth
23:19<ctrl>i only have a black window
23:20<freddy>ctrl: hmm. so the installer is working 4 u
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23:20<ctrl>yes
23:20<ctrl>with u
23:20<ctrl>with u+x
23:20<ctrl>and ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin
23:20<freddy>ctrl: okay well I get this #setup.data/setup.xml:1: parser error : Document is empty
23:21<ctrl>equipo:/tmp# ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin
23:21<ctrl>Verifying archive integrity... All good.
23:21<ctrl>Uncompressing Google Earth for GNU/Linux 5.1.3533.1731...............................................................
23:21<ctrl>(setup.gtk2:20484): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqt4engine.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
23:21<freddy>ctrl: nah its and internal binary in the installer that is failing.
23:21<ctrl>i dont have your error
23:21<freddy>ctrl: setup.gtk2
23:22<ctrl>is that a package?
23:22<ctrl>ah, no
23:22<freddy>its a binary in the installer
23:23<freddy>open("setup.data/setup.xml", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3
23:23<freddy>fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2294, ...}) = 0
23:23<freddy>mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0xb80c4000
23:23<freddy>read(3, "<?xml version=\"1.0\" encoding=\"IS"..., 16384) = 2294
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23:23<freddy>sorry bout that
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23:24<ctrl>we only get 4 lines
23:24<freddy>anyway it says the doc is empty. but its not.
23:24<ctrl>did you try building a .deb package?
23:24<freddy>nope
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23:24<ctrl>googleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth
23:25<freddy>does the package use the installer scripts or pull the installer apart?
23:25<ctrl>no idea
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23:34<freddy>ctrl: the package builder works. it has its own scripts/tools to pull apart the installer. so does not rely on the setup.gtk2 binary.
23:35<ctrl>ok
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23:36<ctrl>i have to restart xserver, i just added "load dri" in xorg.conf
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23:38<ctrl>i think i do not have direct rendering working...
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23:42<cesurasean>shouldn't i be able to ping as long as bind is running?
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