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00:15<GhostlyD1ath>Hello, I had plugged in a SATA/IDE to USB converter but dmesg says "driver sd needs updating", however on reboot it now works?
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00:16<sney>driver sd may need updating to fix a bug
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00:36<Fliptop>Hello all.
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00:36<JustRob>Is there a modern howto or guide for recompiling a kernel
00:36<JustRob>the best I can find are like 5 years old
00:37<Fliptop>Well now, this is awesome!
00:37<kenyon>!tell JustRob about compile kernel
00:38<JustRob>thank you
00:38<Fliptop>This is the first time I have played with XChat
00:38<JustRob>xchat kicks ass
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00:39<Fliptop>This is going to come in handy.
00:39<Fliptop>yea man it's very cool
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00:41<Fliptop>Well, thats just fantastic my mouse just took a dump on me.
00:44<adb>http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage
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00:52<Fliptop>Well, it has been awesome to chat with you guys; however, it's getting later where I am.
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01:00<ml|>JustRob: you might want to read the kernel-handbook /msg dpkg kernel-handbook
01:03<chealer>JustRob: unless things changed relatively recently, kernel compiling documentation leaves much to be desired. I'd say not really.
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01:05<ml|>I'd just use debian's kernel, unless you have some need or want to learn
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01:09<JustRob>well...I'm guessing recompiling is what I want
01:09<JustRob>device /dev/sda(x) does not exist
01:09<JustRob>simple as that
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01:10<twb>JustRob: depends WHY you want to roll a kernel.
01:10<twb>If it's just for ricing (i.e. "to it go faster!"), I wouldn't bother.
01:10<sney>sounds like he's adopting the damn the torpedoes approach to hardware support troubleshooting
01:10<JustRob>dmesg will show the flash drive I have plugged in, at boot time. lsusb detects it correctly, but it is not being detected when I plug it in after boot, and that dev is just not there for me to mount it from
01:11<ml|>sney: heh
01:11<JustRob>kinda yeah sney
01:11<samaira>i am having some issues with dvd and cd burning. I have tried to fresh installation of debian. but the dvd is not loading properly or it will load and freeze. i am using dvdrw connected through usb.
01:11<JustRob>lenny as console only is running plenty quick on this p200 so I have no issues there
01:11<twb>JustRob: good man.
01:11<twb>X is for wimps
01:12<JustRob>distraction free writing machine
01:12<JustRob>I've got an orinoco gold card in there for maintenance, but when I need to just do work, I pop the bastard out and go sit somewhere with just my headphones plugged into my iphone and type away
01:12<ml|>you can try a bpo kernel, if that is your issue
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01:13<JustRob>bpo?
01:13<JustRob>Honestly I really don't feel like messing with a new kernel. Last time I rolled one custom was...readhat 7?
01:13<JustRob>er...-a
01:13<ml|>/msg dpkg bpo
01:13<twb>!tell JustRob -about bpo
01:14<twb>ml|: !tell saves retyping for the other guy :-)
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01:14<ml|>twb: yeah, but he learn ;)
01:14<ml|>*will
01:14<twb>hand waving
01:15<JustRob>any ideas on why that device is not being created yet dmesg identifies it as sda/sda1 at boot?
01:15<JustRob>before I mess with a new kernel
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01:15<twb>JustRob: do you get a shell?
01:15<JustRob>I have nothing but shell...
01:16<twb>JustRob: examine /proc/partitions.
01:16<JustRob>it's listed there
01:16<twb>JustRob: then I guess it's udev's fault
01:16<JustRob>I looked there first
01:16<twb>If it's in /proc/partitions but not /dev, then blame udev
01:16<JustRob>er...
01:16<JustRob>strike that
01:16<JustRob>it's not in /proc/partitions
01:17<JustRob>weird...could have sworn it was...unless it was there that last time I rebooted but not now since it's not plugged in
01:17<twb>Then your kernel can't see the device, or (for e.g. usb keys) can't recognize that it's a storage device
01:17<JustRob>dmesg sees it
01:17<twb>pastebin dmesg
01:17<JustRob>differnet machine
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01:19<ml|>JustRob: if it's usb, you might want to use usbmount, ask dpkg; after you find the issue of course
01:20<JustRob>sd 0:0:0:0 [sda] Assuming drive cache: write though
01:20<JustRob>irq 11: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
01:21<JustRob>handlers: [<c5073fff>] (usb_hcd_irq+0x0/0x72 [usbcore])
01:21<JustRob>disabling IRQ #11
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01:21<JustRob>that's the specific part of dmesg
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01:27<JustRob>ok, watching it...udev is timing out when polling the usb drive...I think
01:28<JustRob>INFO: tash scsi_eh_0:662 blocked for more than 120 seconds.
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01:28<JustRob>"echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hunt_task_timeout_secs" disables this message.
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01:31<aaj>hi i am not getting external or internal storage device icon on desktop, how to enable icon display
01:32<aaj>but devices are getting auto mounted
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01:40<aaj>gconf-editor shows /apps/nautilus/desktop/volumes_visible is enable
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01:46<JustRob>Is there a way to force udev to rescan?
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01:49<dbbolton>reboot
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01:52<jm_>JustRob: rescan what?
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02:01<aaj>JustRob, /etc/init.d/udev reload
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02:02<aaj>jm_ i am not getting icons for mounted partition
02:02<jm_>aaj: me neither
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02:02<aaj>so require to unmount partition each time by umount
02:02<aaj>not even in nautilus left panel
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02:04<aaj>jm_, in old kernel it was getting displayed icon on desktop as well in nautilus so that it was able to umount from right click on that icon
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02:06<spaceace>hi
02:07<spaceace>if anyone remembers, i was having dramas with my server and i can't work out how to install a kernel from a livecd onto my installed O/S.
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02:08<spaceace>help :(
02:08<blarson>spaceace: chroot and dpkg -i
02:09<jm_>aaj: sorry, I can't help you with gnome or kde or any DE, I am not using them
02:10<spaceace>blarson: I've got my Rescue Mode running, i've chrooted, but dpkg isn't a valid command
02:10<spaceace>nor is bash
02:10<spaceace>i am doing something wrong, clearly
02:11<blarson>Sounds like you are missing more than the kernel.
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02:11<snogglethorpe>is BTS down now/
02:11<snogglethorpe>?
02:11<snogglethorpe>"Querying Debian BTS for reports on linux-2.6 (source)...
02:11<snogglethorpe>Unable to connect to Debian BTS; continue [y|N|?]? "
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02:11<jm_>spaceace: how did you chroot?
02:12<twb>snogglethorpe: wfm "bts show mg"
02:12<spaceace>jm_: i put the debian netinstall disc in, went to rescue mode.. specified the root and clicked start shell from /dev/sda1
02:12<blarson>snogglethorpe: bugs-master is up and appears to be running normally
02:12<spaceace>it was already chrooted, by the looks
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02:14<jm_>spaceace: yeah rescue mode is different, you should not need to chroot at all
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02:14<spaceace>the problem is that i don't have package manager now.
02:15<snogglethorpe>there's a "bts" command somewhere? what pkg?
02:15<jm_>do you see /usr/bin/dpkg?
02:15<spaceace>no
02:15<jm_>are you perhaps using separate /boot partition?
02:16<spaceace>usr is empty
02:16<jm_>is /usr a separate partition?
02:16<spaceace>must be
02:16<spaceace>i set this machine up 3 years ago
02:16<spaceace>i forgot how it was
02:16<spaceace>haha
02:16<jm_>right, so try mounting it, cat /etc/fstab
02:16<spaceace>ah, of course. i feel foolish now. one sec
02:17<spaceace>haha that did the trick
02:18<spaceace>thank you so much
02:18<jm_>no worries
02:19<spaceace>what is the latest kernel?
02:19<jm_>depends on which release you're using
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02:19<spaceace>i'm running lenny
02:19<jm_>2.6.26 and 2.6.30 from backports
02:19<spaceace>cheers
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02:23<fossiiil>I have problem on Debian with xfce4-xkb-plugin 0.5.3.3-1 (xkb layout switch plugin for the Xfce4 panel). I setup it in GUI, but it won't remember the settings next time i log in. How to overcome this limitation?
02:24<jar>try #xfce on freenode
02:24<fossiiil>thanks, i was not aware on this channel
02:24<jar>no problem
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02:30<viliny>Hello!
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02:32<viliny>Quick question, i have a server machine acting as a dhcp server amongst other things and all my traffic at home goes through that 2 nic computer - i recently discovered nomachine nx and fell in love. Now -> Id like to connect to my desktop which is behind the beforementioned server. How can i specify which port the desktop server listens to?
02:32<viliny>Redirecting ssh traffic away from the server isn't an option
02:32<viliny>default 22 that is
02:33<jm_>you can change the port for sshd on the desktop and forward that one
02:34<the-dude>or listen ssh on mutiple ports
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02:35<viliny>so i should approach the issue by changing the ssh port instead of the nx config?
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02:35<viliny>thank you
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02:41<viliny>Talk about meta, admining a ubuntu server through a nx connection with a debian os client running inside a virtual machine on a windows xp machine :)
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02:54<totone>Salut | Hi | Hallo
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02:55<MeglaW>hay can i make it so when a person loggs in he/she does not get a shell but irssi?
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03:00<rass0>Good morning
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03:03<blarson>MeglaW: Just change the login shell in /etc/passwd
03:04<MeglaW>then its global right?
03:04<babilen>yes
03:04<MeglaW>ah ok, and on a user level?
03:04<babilen>err - you set the shell *per user*
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03:06<MeglaW>aha ok
03:06<babilen>have a look at that file - you basically specify something that will be executed on login to gain a shell. Have a look at 'man 5 passwd'
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03:07<babilen> The command interpreter field provides [...] the name of the initial program to execute
03:07<viliny>root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash is how mine looks in syntax
03:08<babilen>viliny: don't irc as root! well, don't use it as your 'normal' account
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03:08<viliny>babilen, i don't :)
03:08<babilen>good :)
03:08<MeglaW>awesome that worked good blarson
03:08<MeglaW>babilen even
03:08<MeglaW>thx
03:09<babilen>np - may your users have fun :)
03:09<MeglaW>hehe
03:09<MeglaW>now i just find a way to disable commandsending in irssi or bind / to another sign or whatever
03:09<viliny>will the users be able to shut down irssi and be presented with a shell?
03:10<babilen>MeglaW: what are you trying to do?
03:10<MeglaW>setting up a few dedicated irc terminals
03:10<babilen>as in 'locked down' ?
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03:10<MeglaW>yeah trying to find out how anyway
03:10<MeglaW>it does not need to be foolproof
03:10<MeglaW>just a litte bit
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03:12<babilen>MeglaW: Alright - Could you answer viliny's question please? Not sure how this is handled.
03:12<MeglaW>viliny: i donno, i'll try
03:13<MeglaW>nope, when irssi is quit user getts logged out
03:13<viliny>Im slightly intrigued by this
03:13<viliny>oh cool :)
03:13<babilen>:)
03:13<babilen>Thought so - as there is no alternative command interpreter given ...
03:14<MeglaW>does not seem to be able to suspend prosess either
03:15<babilen>You should still note that irssi itself is able to download/execute scripts and do a couple of other things *you* might not want your users to do
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03:16<sney>it's also extremely configurable. disabling things like /exec support should be well within the realm of possibility
03:16<MeglaW>yes
03:16<jm_>welcome to 1995 and ircii daemon mode ;)
03:16<babilen>hehe
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03:17<MeglaW>what? how?
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03:18<babilen>never had to - if nobody else here has an idea -> ask in #irssi @ irc.freenode.net
03:18<babilen>or check it's documentation
03:18<MeglaW>freenode?
03:18<MeglaW>the official chan is on ircnet
03:18<MeglaW>im there now. :)
03:18<MeglaW>and iv read docu ofc.
03:19<jww>hi.
03:19<babilen>ic
03:19<viliny>jww, bonjour
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03:38<veera>Hey...um.
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03:39<xxxx>f
03:39<viliny>Hey veera
03:39<xxxx>does anyone here know how to get good antivirus software for the debian derivatives? I was hacked by some script kiddy who wrote a trojan for a server for a multiplayer game and I want to know how to prevent this in the future
03:40<aaj>afer upgrading kernel in lenny getting error as Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
03:40<xxxx>why do you guys block tor users? if you want a channel with no tor users, use #debian on freenode
03:40<veera>Can someone help me? I'm using two very different screens (a little netbook screen and a 18.5" lcd tv) and right now I have the same resolution in both and they're clones too.
03:41<babilen>xxxx: try clamav (/msg dpkg clamav)
03:41<veera>I'm a bit of a newbie and also not a native English speaker but I'm patient and curious!
03:41<babilen>veera: Have a look at xrandr
03:42<xxxx>babilen, will that stop the script kiddies?
03:42<viliny>veera, http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Xrandr_ja_kaksi_n%C3%A4ytt%C3%B6%C3%A4 :)
03:43<babilen>veera: Or your Desktop environment's settings manager (gnome-display-properties for example)
03:43<sney>the best thing to stop script kiddies short of unplugging the network cable is security through obscurity
03:43<xxxx>sney, could you elaborate, please
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03:43<veera>oooh. thanks babilen, i'll go read that!
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03:44<babilen>reminds me of: http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~traenk/scissors.pdf
03:44<sney>make it confusing. change default ports and things. you can also use iptables to redirect certain kinds of traffic. go nuts, have fun
03:44<babilen>xxxx: read the "Securing Debian Manual" and implement as many measures as you want to
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03:45<viliny>how would bastion work for this purpose babilen ? (referring to xxxx's problem)
03:45<rass0>hi again jww
03:46<snogglethorpe>hm
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03:47<snogglethorpe>reportbug seems unable to contact the BTS, and I don't _think_ it's a local/firewall prob -- there's a firewall here, but I tried using a tunnel through it (which works otherwise), and still no joy
03:47<snogglethorpe>it's trying to contact "busoni.debian.org"
03:48<azeem_>snogglethorpe: you're more likely to get feedback on infrastructure issues in #debian-devel
03:48<snogglethorpe>and I can connect to busoni.debian.org wiht a web-browser
03:48<azeem_>but dondelelcaro ^^
03:48<snogglethorpe>azeem_: hm, ok
03:48<snogglethorpe>thx
03:48<blarson>snogglethorpe: Your firewall probably blocks port 25
03:48<snogglethorpe>blarson: port 25? this is the initial BTS query, not a submission
03:49<ml|>bts is working fine here
03:49<babilen>snogglethorpe: Can't you test this and verify that your firewall is not the culprit (disable it for a second?)
03:49<snogglethorpe>blarson: also, as i mentioend, I tried via a http tunnel (and verified reportbug was using it), and it didn't work there either
03:49<babilen>here too
03:49<aaj>upgrading kernel is problem??
03:50<snogglethorpe>babilen: not my firewall so can't disable it, but i can bypass it with a tunnel, and that doesn't change anything
03:50<babilen>aaj: Could you elaborate on that? What are you trying to do? It shouldn't be a problem to install new kernel packages ..
03:50<aaj>old kernel works fine and new kernel after login throws error Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
03:51<babilen>aaj: What is the old and the new kernel?
03:51<aaj>babilen, new kernel works fine but always throws this message after login
03:51<aaj>old kernel 2.6.26 and new 2.6.32
03:51<aaj>new 2.6.33 as well
03:51<babilen>aaj: Where is the new 2.6.32 kernel from?
03:51<ml|>self compiled with same .config?
03:51<aaj>babilen, from kernel.org
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03:52<aaj>ml|, almost same + enabled new feature
03:53<ml|>and original .config from debian? and did make oldconfig, to use new stuff?
03:53<aaj>ml|, i used make menuconfig
03:53<babilen>aaj: How did you build the package? make-kpkg? make *config, make ... ?
03:54<aaj>babilen, yes with make-kpkg
03:54<ml|>maybe, some wrong setting, try with bpo kernel?
03:55<aaj>ml|, with bpo as well i faced same error.
03:55<rass0>do any of you know about suPHP ?.. and is it any good ?
03:55<aaj>so i compiled kernel but still same error
03:55<veera>okay babilen, cheers for guessing my language.. i think the problem is that my xorg.conf file is too simple and i'm a bit scared to modify it on my own.
03:55<ml|>with 2.6.32-bpo.2-686?
03:55<veera>gnome's display manager has no clue that there are two separate screens at all. i printed out a HardInfo and it knows the are two screens and their optimal resolutions, but only one resolution is shown in the Display section.
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03:56<aaj>ml|, yes
03:56<babilen>veera: Could you try setting it through xrandr?
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03:57<ml|>aaj: hm, check bts; might find something and/or lkml
03:57<viliny>veera, a huge resolution?
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03:58<veera>babilen, sure...maybe i'll study xrandr's man pages first
03:58<babilen>:)
03:58<veera>villiny, yeah i get the bigger screen's resolution, and the little netbook screen shows a small piece of it.
03:59<babilen>ah - you want to disable the "Mirror Screen" setting ..
03:59<viliny>Hmm, i use the nvidia settings tool at home for managing my screens, i guess thats little help to you right now
03:59<ml|>veera: /msg dpkg xstrikeforce for help with that
04:00<veera>yes babilen, i'd rather have them two screens working separately and perhaps be able to drag and drop items from one to the other.
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04:02<veera>i was wondering about nvidia....
04:03<veera>i don't have it installed myself.
04:08<veera>hm.
04:08<veera>xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1360x1360 (desired size 2384x768)
04:08<veera>babilen, according to the website you linked, xorg.conf needs to be touched.
04:10<veera>so... um... the "screen" section is this simple there:
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04:10<veera>Section "Screen"
04:10<veera> Identifier "Default Screen"
04:10<veera> Monitor "Configured Monitor"
04:10<veera>EndSection
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04:10<veera>sorry.
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04:12<ml|>veera: use a pastebin <-- ask dpkg
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04:14<veera>let's see
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04:17<babilen>veera: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
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04:17<babilen>veera: I still think that you should be able to set this through gnome-display-properties. Have you disabled the "Mirror Screen" setting?
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04:19<veera>babilen, i don't have such a setting there at all. only resolution, rotation and refresh rate.
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04:19<veera>i'm running debian stable if that makes any difference.
04:20<babilen>veera: Hmm - I must have a newer version here. Do you have "Detect Monitors" ?
04:20<babilen>veera: That'll be it
04:20<babilen>veera: Can you see both displays?
04:21<veera>babilen: no, on both counts
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04:23<babilen>veera: Could you paste the output of "xrandr" please?
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04:24<veera>sure, once i've figured out this pastebin business.
04:25<Guest533>identify cymyst7
04:25<babilen>veera: http://paste.debian.net -> paste into textbox -> send -> paste URL ;)
04:25<veera>that's what i was thinking :)
04:25<veera>http://paste.debian.net/62203/
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04:26<veera>1360x768 is the bigger screen's optimal display, 1024x600 is the little one.
04:26<babilen>OK - it detects your monitor. You should be able to follow the instruction on the XStrikeForce page. No idea why gnome-display-properties does not work (might be due to old GNOME packages though)
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04:29<veera>i'll try. thank you very much for your help, babilen, viliny and ml|.
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04:30<babilen>veera: Good luck
04:30<veera>thanks :)
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04:33<pajero>I need ethernet driver for Dell R710, anybody who can help?
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04:34<babilen>pajero: paste the output of "lspci -nn | grep -i ethernet
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04:35<pajero>currently established. end when I do.
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04:35<babilen>what?
04:35<babilen>!confuse pajero
04:35<dpkg>Yes, those are their ferret today, pajero? Pants of the Republic of Liechtenstein with extra crabpaste.
04:37<babilen>don't /msg people please and me in particular
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04:43<sid>hi all. when i insert pen drive it automatically usinf root permissions. how do i overcome this ?
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04:45<tzafrir>hi, I have some questions regarding certificate.
04:46<tzafrir>Evenr since I upgraded from Lenny to squeeze, I can no longer connect via SVN to https://origsvn.digium.com (e.g.: repo https://origsvn.digium.com/svn/asterisk )
04:46<xxxx>babilen, I already had clamav installed when I got the trojan
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04:47<tzafrir>At first glance this seems to be due to a server certificate signed by md5
04:47<tzafrir>Sadly this was not fixed yet, so I just want to be sure that this is the only problem there
04:47<tzafrir>(using a self-signed certificate is fine there - it is a service used by rather few people with good communication channels)
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04:49<tzafrir>alternatively: any idea how to force my svn client to allow using it?
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04:52<izeid>Where can the differences between 5.03 and 5.04 be read?
04:53<jar>In a web browser or any sort of application that supports UTF-8 codec text.
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04:53<gsimmons>dpkg: tell izeid -about 5.0.4
04:53<izeid>jar: where is the file?
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04:56<pjoshi>where can i find ip_gre module ??
04:57<izeid>can d-i in 5.04 handle ext4?
04:57<izeid>pjoshi: apt-file find ip_gre ?
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04:58<pjoshi>aptitude search ip_gre
04:58<pjoshi>no package found..
04:59<izeid>pjoshi: i don't think aptitude search looks in the file list, but apt-file does
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05:00<pjoshi>oh.. i did find / -name ip_gre.. no luck in this ........ i'll try apt-file as well just a min
05:01<pjoshi>no.. apt-file also cannot find this module.
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05:04<alfadir>pjoshi: you need a kernel configured with CONFIG_NET_IPGRE (eh not sure what stock debian kernel has)
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05:04<jm_>you can check in /boot
05:04<alfadir>pjoshi: "IP: GRE tunnels over IP" when configuring a kernel..
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05:05<alfadir>hmm should be configured.. CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=m
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05:06<alfadir>hmmm in /boot/config-2.6.32-trunk-amd64
05:06<jm_>right in the /boot/config-foo file
05:06<alfadir>ip_gre.ko
05:06<alfadir>/lib/modules/2.6.32-trunk-amd64/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko
05:06<pjoshi>alfadir & jm_ : u guys are right..
05:06<alfadir>i have it..
05:07<alfadir>sudo modproble ip_gre ?
05:07<pjoshi>my kernel does not support that..
05:07<alfadir>sudo modprobe ip_gre ?
05:07<alfadir>pjoshi: what kernel do you have ?
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05:08<pjoshi>2.6.18.2
05:08<alfadir>oh
05:09<alfadir>well the kernel has it..
05:09<alfadir>http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.18.2/net/ipv4/ip_gre.c
05:09<alfadir>question is if it is configured ..
05:10<alfadir>pjoshi: try : grep NET_IPGRE /boot/config-2.6.18*
05:10<pjoshi>yes.. its not configured /boot ... # CONFIG_NET_IPGRE is not set
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05:11<veera>just wanted to say thank you for the good links, i have my two screens working pretty much like i wanted now. :)
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05:12<pjoshi>how can i enable that.. do i need to download new kernel ??
05:12<alfadir>pjoshi: not sure ... never had to rebuild debian kernels
05:12<veera>/exit: have a good day/night wherever you live.
05:13<veera>oops
05:13<alfadir>pjoshi: but there is probalby an easier way.. in debian to rebuild kernel
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05:13<alfadir>http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html
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05:14<KrimZon>my opengl has stopped working, and if i try to install the nvidia kernel from the repos it says it depends on linux-image-something but it's not installable
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05:14<KrimZon>what do i have to do?
05:14<alfadir>pjoshi: old but maybe helps http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
05:15<alfadir>pjoshi: newer howto..
05:15<babilen>pjoshi: Which version of Debian are you running anyway?
05:15<alfadir>pjoshi: http://www.howtoforge.com/roll_a_kernel_debian_ubuntu_way
05:15<pjoshi>debian 3.1
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05:16<alfadir>sarge..
05:17<babilen>pjoshi: You *really* should consider upgrading to lenny .. '/msg dpkg sarge->etch' and '/msg dpkg etch->lenny'
05:17<alfadir>pjoshi: consider 5.0.4
05:17<babilen>or just reinstall :)
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05:17<babilen>pjoshi: sarge is like 5 years old and *not supported at all*
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05:17<ml|>I vote reinstall ;)
05:17<babilen>+1
05:17<alfadir>pjoshi: do you have some special software that needs such an old system ?
05:18<ottoshmidt>what could cause videos to be uncolored, not absolutely black and white, but hardly colored :(
05:18<ottoshmidt>?
05:18<babilen>ottoshmidt: clean your glasses? alternatively: adjust monitor settings :)
05:18<pjoshi>I wish to upgrade.. we've got few of our old applications working on that..
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05:19<ottoshmidt>it wasn't so before, and this problem persist in totem as well as in mplayer
05:19<KrimZon>ottoshmidt: saturation in the playback/filter settings for the media player being used
05:19<babilen>pjoshi: Try them on a different (lenny) system - fix bugs and make the move. It's about time!
05:19<ottoshmidt>KrimZon, will check
05:19<pjoshi>:).. sure.. i'll start working on it..
05:19<KrimZon>i had flipped colours one time, i think it was a setting
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05:33<ottoshmidt>KrimZon, could that be a xorg issue, or xorg settings?
05:34<KrimZon>hmm, i reinstalled the nvidia evil installer
05:34<ottoshmidt>I suspect nvidia as well btw
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05:35<KrimZon>probably had a kernel update without noticing
05:35<ottoshmidt>but why is flashplayer showing good colors on youtube ?
05:35<KrimZon>did adjusting colour settings help in the other media players?
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05:36<KrimZon>some might look for settings in gnome, flash probably doesn't
05:36<ottoshmidt>tried saturation and stuff but didn't help.. and I don't think it's a settings issue 'cause all players have this
05:36<ottoshmidt>hmm gnome settings?
05:36<KrimZon>it could also be codecs themselves
05:37<ottoshmidt>might be.. so i need to exclude step by step.
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05:38<KrimZon>if you download a flv or mp4 from youtube, does it look right or wrong in movie player?
05:39<ottoshmidt>shall try
05:39<ottoshmidt>i want first exclude vid driver.. I use nv driver (free) so it shouldn't have problems right?
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05:41<KrimZon>i'm not sure, but i doubt it'd be the video driver and i'm not sure what you could do to exclude it
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05:41<sid>i have inserted a pen drive in system and it has took root permissions. i am unable to cut and paste and use the pen drive properly. i have tried chown, chgrp but nothing is working. please guide me
05:42<ottoshmidt>KrimZon, I mean otherwise I wouldn't have colors in pictures, youtube etc.
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05:43<jm_>!tell sid -about vfatrw
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05:45<ottoshmidt>KrimZon, mp4 from youtube has troubles as well
05:46<KrimZon>hmm... i guess flash could be using its own codec, that's the whole reason it's used for video at the moment
05:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 412] by debhelper
05:47<ottoshmidt>KrimZon, know any codec pack name in debian?
05:47<KrimZon>i'd search in synaptic for 'codec'
05:47<KrimZon>i dont know any off the top of my head
05:48<sid>i have hda1, hda5, scd0, hdc, fd0, scd0 as partitions listed in fstab. should i use scd0 for partition and floppy1 as mount point
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05:48<jm_>scd0 is for cd-rom, not for USB storage drives
05:49<ottoshmidt>sid, what is your mtab output
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05:49<ottoshmidt>?
05:49<sid>wait a minute
05:49<ottoshmidt>KrimZon, thanks for guidance
05:50<KrimZon>np
05:50<sid>/etc/mtab : http://pastebin.com/segmcJi3
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05:51<screenn>trying to upgrade to testing and have some problems with udev
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05:52<screenn>that's what I have: http://paste.debian.net/62212/
05:53<screenn>it's a remote server, and I'm afraid to lose control after reboot, what do you think?
05:53<jm_>!tell screenn -about udev squeeze
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05:55<screenn>jm_ are you sure I can reboot into new kernel?
05:56<jm_>screenn: do you have it installed?
05:56<screenn>yes, I have already installed all except udev package
05:56<jm_>should be ok
05:57<screenn>I feel adrenaline
05:57<screenn>ok, let's try!
05:58<screenn>I did it, now waiting for the ping
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05:59<screenn>seem's it works!
06:00<screenn>yeah I've new kernel - 2.6.32-trunk-686
06:00<screenn>nice
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06:01<screenn>jm_ thanks
06:02<jm_>screenn: np
06:03<sid>i am using xfce4
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06:14<sid>somebody please help
06:18<jm_>for non-DE way to solve this problem see what dpkg told you, for XFCE it's best to find someone who can help with it
06:18<jm_>!xfce
06:18<dpkg>Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See http://bugs.debian.org/526171 . http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net.
06:18<jm_>maybe try asking there too
06:19<jm_>maybe wiki also has something about it
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06:36<ottoshmidt>sid, which one is your usb devise?
06:36<ottoshmidt>check: ls -la /dev/disk/by-id/usb*
06:38<sid>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 2010-03-03 17:10 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-JetFlash_TS4GJFV30_LJTL7M8M-0:0 -> ../../sda
06:38<sid>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2010-03-03 17:10 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-JetFlash_TS4GJFV30_LJTL7M8M-0:0-part1 -> ../../sda1
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06:39<sid>the output of the given command
06:39<ottoshmidt>but there is no /dev/sda1 in your mtab
06:39<sid>yes
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06:39<sid>excuse there is an entry.......
06:40<sid>/dev/sda1 /media/disk vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=winnt,uid=1000$
06:40<ottoshmidt>and it's read-only yet?
06:40<sid>when i have tried to change ownership, it has given error of read-only
06:41<sid>i think o
06:41<jm_>it's mounted rw for uid 1000 by the looks of it
06:44<ottoshmidt>sid, try formatting that usb
06:44<ottoshmidt>after backing up all data
06:44<sid>wait a minute i will see what can i delete
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06:50<sid>i can delete pretty much evrything. is it okay if i give the command fdisk /dev/sda ?
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06:54<jm_>fdisk will not do anything without user action, even then, carefully check which device you're working with
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06:56<bremner>gparted is a nice alternative
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07:03<popelle>hola
07:03<sid>i have deleted evrything using gparted but how should i format it back to fat32 ?
07:03<popelle>hola¿
07:03<popelle>eres español
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07:07<bremner>sid: using gparted again?
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07:08<sid>yes, i already did it and flash drive is empty. how do i format it to fat32 ?
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07:08<bremner>sid: click the "format to fat32" button in gparted, more or less
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07:08<popelle>hola
07:08<sid>it is greyed out ......
07:08<bremner>!tell popelle -about es-social
07:09<popelle>not speking eglish s
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07:09<bremner>sid: make a partition first?
07:09<popelle>buenas terdes
07:10<popelle>como estais
07:10<jm_>also ensure you have dosfstools package installed
07:10<bremner>!es-social
07:10<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:10<sid>first should i make a primary partition of ext3 and then format the other part to fat32
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07:12<bremner>sid: I dunno, do you want an ext3 partition and a fat32 partition?
07:13<bremner>If you're not sure you want an ext3 partition on your pen drive, you probably don't
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07:13<sid>no i want only fat32 but it is greyed out. is there any way through command line ?
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07:13<bremner>sure, mkfs.vfat, I think
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07:14<bremner>mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1 I suppose
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07:18<xover>how does debian keep time?
07:18<jm_>!set time
07:18<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
07:18<petemc>egg timer
07:18<xover>i dont see ntp running
07:18<xover>yet its correct
07:18<weasel>apt-get install ntp
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07:19<jm_>it might only use ntpdate at boot/ifup
07:19<xover>cant see any ntpdate scripts running eithe
07:19<petemc>motherboards have clock chips
07:19<jm_>it might also be a very very special system with a good clock, but I don't see that happening
07:19<petemc>ors
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07:25<sid>it has shown this error : mkfs.vfat: Device partition expected, not making filesystem on entire device '/dev/sda' (use -I to override) and I am googinfg
07:25<jm_>what did you type?
07:25<sid>mkfs.vfat /dev/sda
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07:26<jm_>you were told to type: mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
07:26<jm_>note the number 1
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07:28<sid>after i have received this error : /dev/sda1: No such file or directory. i tried sda. i did cross verfiy by ls -la /dev/disk/by-id/usb* and it is showing only one sda but no sda1
07:28<jm_>did you create the partition with fdisk/gparted?
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07:30<sid>i did not created any partition with the fdisk and gparted. flash drive is unallaocated space/
07:30<jm_>you need to create a partition first and then mkfs it
07:30<sid>first by giving the command fdisk /dev/sda1 and then mkfs.vfat /dev/sda1
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07:32<jm_>no, fdisk /dev/sda then use the commands in fdisk to create a partition (or use gparted), then write changes to the drive and then proceed with mkfs
07:34<sid>if i use gparted it is showing to format the drive in ext2, ext3, linux-swap and unformatted for primary partition and extended partition nothing.
07:34<jm_>don't format it in gparted, just create a partition
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07:36<sid>i will create a 100 mb primary partition with ext3 system. is that okay
07:36<jm_>not if you want to use this with windows as well
07:37<sid>then how should i proceed ?
07:37<jm_>the way I explained above, create a partition and don't format it
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07:38<sid>first i will create a partition and do nothing and then i will give mkfs command
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07:40<sid>now it is showing fat32 option. should i format it directly by giving primary partition - fat32 option
07:40<sid>what a mess with gui
07:40<jm_>you can do that too
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07:44<sid>when i have given the ls - la command it has shown the following and i need to change this behavious
07:44<sid>drwxr-xr-x 2 sid root 4096 1970-01-01 05:30 .
07:44<sid>drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2010-03-03 18:16 ..
07:45<jm_>ls -l where?
07:45<sid>to the disk
07:46<sid>ls - la /media/disk
07:46<jm_>that looks just fine
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07:56<xover>I have set my clock using ntp, but its not updating, what is the issue
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07:58<xover>i have uncommented this line
07:58<xover>server pool.ntp.org
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08:01<themill>xover: the out-of-the-box config should be enough. How far out is the clock at present?
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08:02<xover>just three hours
08:03<developer>does anybody know anything about using jboss as a daemon process?
08:03<xover>themill: why doesnt it update?
08:03<developer>Im about to try out tanukisoftware community version
08:04<jm_>because ntp only updates tiny fractions at time, use ntpdat-debian to update such big difference in one go
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08:09<sid>i have formatted the flash drive due to those kind of default permissions, it is not easy also to copy from them
08:09<jm_>sid: those permissions give read access to everyone and write access to you
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08:12<xover>themill: in case your wondering, its because its so far out that it has to be set manually.
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08:13<sid>now i have issue with external dvd with same permissions and it is unmounting and mounting itself
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08:15<e3nn>how to record My Desktop in ubuntu exept using gtk-recordmydesktop
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08:18<xover>slackware is great.
08:18<xover>oops. wrong channe;
08:18<xover>debian too
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08:19<jww>lol @xover.
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08:26<screenn>!tell screenn -about udev squeeze
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08:43<developer>Hello guys I'm having a HP ProLiantML server with Debian (installled amd64 iso). Now Im about to download an additional software and I dont know which iso to choose! The provided variant are Linux Itanum 64bit, Linux PPC 64bit and Linux x86 64bit. which iso should I choose? Im thinking about Itanum but wants to be sure
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08:44<weasel>itanium is the one that's certainly wrong
08:44<weasel>PPC also.
08:44<jww>hehe
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08:44<weasel>if you want 64 bit then amd64 is the image you want, else i386.
08:44<developer>okej good that I checked here then
08:44<weasel>also, chances are the original installer won't support your network cards due to firmware issues
08:44<weasel>dannf built a script to patch them properly
08:45<LordZalzer>anybody here who know if there are any plans that this bug fix for PHP will be added to PHP 5.2 in Lenny http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=23229
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08:45<developer>so I should go for the i386 version?
08:46<weasel>no, it doesn't matter for the firmware thing
08:46<weasel>[see http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant]
08:46<weasel>how much ram do you have?
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08:46<developer>2GB
08:46<weasel>i386 is probably the better choice unless you have anything that would benefit from larger and more registers
08:47<developer>both on debian and the software that Im donloading?
08:47<weasel>yeah
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08:48<weasel>developer: which ML?
08:49<developer>okej now that I already have installed the amd64 version of debian, could I install i386 isos on it or do I have to reinstall debian?
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08:49<developer>ML110
08:49<weasel>developer: you can also stick with amd64
08:49<weasel>and probably no evil firmware required for the ml110
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08:49<weasel>(g4?)
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08:50<developer>g4 what do you mean with that
08:51<developer>HP ProLiant ML110 T05 Intel E7400 that the server I got
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08:53<realu>hi
08:54<sid>how do i configure flash drives, dvd and cd to have permissions to the user and root only.
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08:55<sid>and no executio rights to root
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08:56<realu>sid: i don t think its possible to ser permissions on a cd
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08:58<sid>it has become an issue for me. when i access a cd or dvd , all the files in the cd, dvd and flash drive are assuming root permissions and they are difficult to cut and copy and paste
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08:59<realu>i think you mount the media in the wrong way
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09:00<sid>how do i mount the media in right way ?
09:00<realu>mom
09:00<realu>make the dir as user
09:00<sid>i am using xfce4
09:00<realu>mount into it as root
09:01<anita>olaa
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09:01<realu>i m a beginner myself
09:01<anita>sabes español?
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09:01<anita>si o no
09:01<jm_>sid: paste the output of ls -l for some dir with files on pastebin
09:01<anita>??
09:01<sid>ok
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09:02<anita>pero si o no??in spanish please
09:02<weasel>!se
09:02<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
09:02<weasel>erm
09:02<weasel>!es
09:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:02<anita>you skip english?
09:02<weasel>(close enough:)
09:02<anita>iḿ ana
09:02<anita>and you?
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09:03<sid>some files in the directory : http://pastebin.com/CYfDymQq
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09:04<sid>IDENTIFY
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09:05<weasel>sid: it's me.
09:05<jm_>sid: not how the files are owned by you, but they lack writable bit, so try to find where to set how xfce is configured for this (like I already said, askin #xfce too)
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09:05<sid>ok
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09:06<sid>irc.freenode.net
09:06<realu>!de
09:06<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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09:07<celiitha>adonde vas
09:08<celiitha>ers feo
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09:13<kochi>y tu warra
09:13<kochi>jajajaja
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09:33<developer>I'm having a debian(amd64) server and I'm about to download additional software. This new software that I intend to download are provided with these versions: Linux Itanum 64bit, Linux PPC 64bit and Linux x86 64bit. Which one should I choose?
09:34<ansgar>developer: x86
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09:37<developer>angsar: I thought that only amd64 iso was compatible with my debian amd64
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09:41<ansgar>developer: The 64bit architecture from AMD and Intel is called either x86-64, AMD 64, Intel 64 or x64. (Intel also has IA-64 used by the Itanium.)
09:43<ansgar>developer: So x86 64bit is amd64. PPC is PowerPC as used by (for example) Apple. At least before they switched to Intel.
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09:44<developer>ansgar: thanks again
09:44<developer>any link for a site or article containing all the essential stuff for a Linux user?
09:45<petemc>that would be a big article
09:46<goodger>the only thing I know of that comes close is a 1500-page book that, to my knowledge, has gone out of print
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09:48<developer>ok not that deep then something covering the essentials with 5 to 20 pages!
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09:50<Dam0>hello
09:51<Dam0>i just installed linux over windows and now i want to install windows on the cesond harddrive that linux has been on....what to i have todo to my second drive so i can run windows/install windows?
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09:56<jww>what about asking in #windows ;)
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09:59<xover>is there a channel for open office?
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10:02<BlackFate>xover, not in this server
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10:03<xover>BlackFate: which one?
10:03<koo>hi
10:03<BlackFate>freenode
10:03<xover>ta
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10:04<koo>*-)
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10:43<danielcrakk>hola!
10:43<danielcrakk>hay alguien?
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10:48<screenn>postfix+mysql question http://pastebin.com/0UPtENXW
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10:52<bja>screenn: postfix runs on a chroot, its easier to connect postfix to mysql through an ip like 127.0.0.1
10:52<bja>screenn: its better explained here http://workaround.org/book/export/html/42
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10:58<iredena>Elena70
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10:59<bja>!es-social iredena
10:59<dpkg>iredena: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:59<iredena>what
11:00<iredena>what??????????????
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11:06<kochi>ola
11:07<kochi>jajajajajajaja
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11:07<jww>!es
11:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:07<jww>ahah I've been the fastest that time !
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11:08<bja>jww: es-social $1 works best
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11:08<jww>righ bja.
11:08<jww>!es-social
11:08<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:08<jww>:)
11:09<bja>!es-social jww
11:09<dpkg>jww: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:09<bja>see the difference?
11:09<jww>yep.
11:09<ass>hello
11:09<jww>!moo bja
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11:09<jww>meh.
11:09<kerorin>tola
11:09<kerorin>feo
11:09<ass>hllo
11:10<ass>mongola
11:10<kerorin>mongolaso
11:10<ass>q pajoooo
11:10<ass>mongolooooooooooooooo
11:10<kerorin>tu
11:10<ass>kekorin es fereeeegooo
11:10<kerorin>que te zurzan
11:10<ass>que te zurzan
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11:12<ass>disculpen tengo una duda
11:12<kerorin>que duda señor
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11:23<developer>I cant see my usb stick, what should I do to get the content in it?!
11:24<Polleke>glasses?
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11:24<developer>hehehe in debian!
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11:25<themill>,info xzoom
11:25<judd>xzoom (x11, optional): magnify part of X display, with real-time updates. Version: 0.3-23; Size: 14.1k; Installed: 44k; Homepage: ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/libs/X/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/xzoom
11:25*themill hides
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11:26<ml|>heh
11:26<Polleke>developer, it's been a while since I used usb.. IIRC try looking at lsusb
11:26<jww>developer: yea, try plugin the usb stick , and look at dmesg
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11:27<jww>in the last lines, you'll see something about it.
11:28<developer>ok
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11:30<developer>ok hitting dmesg showed information about my usb stick
11:30<developer>how do I actually get the content?
11:30<developer>any link with information?
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11:30<bremner>developer: are you running Gnome or KDE or XFCE? all of these should mount it. Otherwise pmount is a good option
11:31<ml|>developer: pastebin that dmesg output to get more help; with usb try usbmount
11:31<themill>!automount
11:31<dpkg>If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>.
11:33<developer>Im using gnome
11:34<developer>and it's not auto monting the usb
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11:34<themill>developer: do you have "gnome-volume-manager" installed (the output of "dpkg -l gnome-volume-manager" will tell you)
11:34<babilen>developer: The stick should appear in nautilus and you should be able to mount it by clicking it (if not already automounted)
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11:35<luismi>ola
11:35<bja>!es-social
11:35<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:35<bja>!es-social luismi
11:35<dpkg>luismi: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:35<usuario>ola
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11:35<luismi>k aces?
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11:35<babilen>*sigh*
11:36<bja>Señores, como dijo el bot esto no es un canal social en español
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11:37<developer>yes I having LVM om my comp
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11:38<bremner>LVM != gnome thing
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11:38<developer>ok
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11:38<developer>is there any way to mount the usb and unmount it from the commandline?
11:39<bremner>yes, I already mentioned pmount, and someone else suggested usbmount
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11:40<developer>none of those command where found in the bash
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11:40<geckos>developer, mount -t type /dev/usbdev /directory ?????
11:40<geckos>developer, and then umount /dev/usbdev
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11:41<ml|>dpkg: install it
11:41<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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11:42<sid>IDENTIFY
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11:42<geckos>fail
11:42<geckos>!mount
11:42<dpkg>somebody said mount was a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem. `man 8 mount`. See also <reference>, <fstab>.
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11:44<ml|>geckos: the previously mentioned tools makes thing easier, than mount as a regular user
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11:45<geckos>ml|, =/ sorry..
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11:46<geckos>ml|, I didn't see the the previous messages
11:46<geckos>s/the the/the/
11:46<ml|>geckos: np, not needed, just saying
11:46<geckos>ml|, (:
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11:48<geckos>I got problems with usb too..
11:48<geckos>But I think that is hardware fail..
11:48<developer>tried mount /dev/usbdev and got the outprint that can't find /dev/usbdev in /etc/fstab
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11:49<ml|>usbdev = your actual /dev/...
11:49<geckos>developer, USBDEV need to be replaced by the real device
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11:51<geckos>dmesg can tell you what device entry in /dev/ point to your usb device
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11:52<geckos>try `dmesg | grep usb' and search for sdb sdc sdd or something like
11:53<developer>ok I'll try it
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11:53<geckos>ml|, I think I'm not really didactic
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11:55<ml|>geckos: you are doing fine, imho
11:55<developer>how do I make a search?
11:56<ml|>search = look for sdX
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11:58<geckos>ml|, sorry offtopic but what is imho (I do not speak native english)
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11:58<adrian15515>hola
11:58<babilen>developer: Just unplug your usb device and replug it. Then run "dmesg|tail -n 23" and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net if you are unsure which device (/dev/XXX) your usb uses
11:58<ml|>dpkg imho
11:58<dpkg>imho, imho is in my humble opinion
11:58<babilen>geckos: In my humble opinion
11:59<geckos>ty ml and babilen
11:59<ml|>dpkg: es-social adrian15515
11:59<dpkg>adrian15515: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:12<Rodri>olaaa
12:12<Rodri>xDDDDD
12:12<Lauriki>HOLA
12:12<Rodri>jajajaj
12:12<Rodri>xD
12:12<Rodri>k way
12:12<ml|>dpkg: es-social Rodri
12:12<dpkg>Rodri: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:13<Lauriki> ???
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12:13<Rodri>eh?
12:13<developer>I even tried ti install the usbmount package from synaptics and still Im not able to mount my usb stick
12:13<Lauriki>ke te calles guiri
12:13<developer>do I need a reboot?
12:13<Lauriki>tonto ke eres tontoooooooo
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12:14<ml|>developer: usbmount will mount it for you in /media/usb..
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12:15<developer>Im getting command not found when typing usbmount in the bash
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12:15<geckos>try sudo usbmount
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12:16<ml|>it's not a command
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12:16<ml|>!usbmount
12:16<dpkg>well, usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html, or apt-get install usbmount, or does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>.
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12:18<developer>how do I run that script?
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12:21<ml|>it should be running already; check /media/usb1/ for contents of said usb drive
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12:26<ml|>* /media/usb0/
12:27<developer>I found 7 different maps in /media but none of them contained the usb files
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12:28<ml|>did you unplug it then back in?
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12:29<ml|>after the install that is
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12:30<developer>yes
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12:30<ml|>and nothing in /media/usb0/ ?
12:30<developer>the lamp on my usb starts to glow after some second, don't really remember if it did it befor the install or not
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12:30<developer>no
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12:33<developer>the stick is formated with fat32
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12:33<developer>don't know if it makes any difference
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12:37<ml|>usbmount, does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable.
12:38<ml|>only need to that once
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12:43<developer>is there any difference between FAT and FAT32?
12:43<weasel>32?
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12:44<developer>ok then I will go for just FAT
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12:49<jhutchins_lt>developer: vfat
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12:56<geckos>there is a way to #debian do not show me the non human messages.. like Rambo connected, ChuckNoris quit etc
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12:56<geckos>??
12:56<themill>geckos: depends on your irc client
12:56<Muzer>he is using irssi
12:56<Muzer>according to CTCP VERSION
12:57<geckos>themill: I got irssi(running now) and xchat
12:57<ml|>geckos: /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS <--- should do
12:58<babilen>geckos: /save - to keep it
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12:58<geckos>testing
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13:00<babilen>geckos: You probably want to ignore CRAP and CLIENTCRAP too ..
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13:05<geckos>ty guys
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13:09<rjent>Greetings, looking for good performance back end NAS to work with Debian servers. Any recommendations?
13:09<ml|>geckos: just keep in mind, you now might be talking to yourself now if the person you are helping leaves ;)
13:10<bremner>tab completion is good for noticing that
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13:16<geckos>ml|: you right.. I keep the QUITS
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13:17<geckos>afk
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13:20<lcb>Hello. someone please help me on this matter related to mount 'usrquota,grpquota' / fstab? I'm using debian pastbin to simplify the question, at the line 44. http://debian.pastebin.com/SZKRhBGB
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13:36<rjent>lcb, so your question is do you need the usrquota,grpquota on the line?
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13:41<DHD2>How do i install PHP 5.2.13 on a debian server?
13:42<themill>,versions php5
13:42<DHD2>?
13:43<sney>I guess judd is down again
13:43<babilen>5.2.13 is not available as a Debian package
13:43<themill>, versions php5
13:43<babilen>DHD2: Which Debian release are you running?
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13:43<sney>themill: it's not going to work if the bot isn't here
13:43<themill>judd versions php5
13:43<DHD2>babilen, im not sure, how do i check?
13:43<themill>sney: umm.. the bot tells me that it is..
13:43<ml|>me too, why not here?
13:44<babilen>cat /etc/debian_version
13:44<DHD2>babilen, Its 5.0.4
13:44<ml|>judd> php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5
13:44<babilen>Ok - you can install php 5.2.6 on that
13:44<babilen>\o/
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13:45<DHD2>babilen, is that good or bad ? :S
13:45<sney>5.2.6 is stable and compatible with everything i've thrown at it, not sure why you'd need 5.2.13 specifically
13:45<babilen>Given that PHP is bad, it's bad.
13:45<babilen>DHD2: Why do you think that you need php 5.2.13 ?
13:46<DHD2>Well it's just my "i want the latest"-version sense telling me that
13:46<DHD2>i'm just going to run Drupal sites on this vps
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13:46<DHD2>and i know its not working with 5.3
13:46<babilen>DHD2: Resist the urge and just install the stable version. It's hard to cure that syndrome if you have given in for too long.
13:46<babilen>DHD2: Just install drupal - it'll pull in whatever it needs
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13:47<DHD2>yeah, but i have the sites installed on another server, so i'm just going to move it
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13:47<DHD2>and i want to make sure its not 5.3 i get
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13:47<babilen>DHD2: You will get 5.2.6
13:47<sney>DHD2: I'm running a Drupal6 site on Lenny using 5.2.6. It's fine.
13:47<DHD2>okay, so apt-get install drupal ?
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13:48<DHD2>its my first time running Debian, so bare with my newbie questions..
13:48<babilen>aptitude install drupal6
13:48<babilen>no problem
13:48<ml|>!wb judd
13:48<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned!
13:48<judd>OK, I'm back! Stop panicking!
13:48<ml|>hehe, :)
13:49*babilen runs around screaming
13:49*themill swears at services
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13:50<zizban>what is the uri handler for http in Totem?
13:50<babilen>DHD2: It's always a good idea to install exactly the packages *you* need. Let aptitude figure out the dependencies. If you are not sure about the name of a package "aptitude search <pattern>" - Read the manpage (man aptitude) and the debian reference ..
13:51<DHD2>babilen, I will - its installing drupal6 now :) - Thanks both of you
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13:51<babilen>you are welcome
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13:55<Golfgeo>Hi all
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13:56<Golfgeo>Got a small problem... fdisk and cfdisk show different partition tables for my usb harddisk...
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13:56<Golfgeo>I believe it has something to do with the 1024 sector size, but the question is: how can I erase them both to start a new?
13:56<Golfgeo>I believe it has something to do with the 1024 sector size, but the question is: how can I erase them both to start a new?
13:57<Golfgeo>Dammit, sorry for the double post.
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13:59<realu>what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude ? they seem to do the same
14:00<ml|>dpkg: why aptitude
14:00<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
14:00<realu>thanks
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14:01<ml|>np
14:01<realu>dpkg: why debian
14:01<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
14:01<ml|>realu: use /msg dpkg ...
14:01<realu>ok will do
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14:02<sney>Golfgeo: fdisk is weird sometimes. is everything working?
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14:02<realu>now i now a bot who can answer all the questions of my boss ;)
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14:03<ml|>realu: /msg dpkg bot ;)
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14:06<ml|>using either fdisk or cfdisk to create a new partition table should do?
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14:10<realu>does anyone have the effect that the AltGr key dosen t work in an lenny running as guest on kvm on a squeeze?
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14:11<Muzer>realu: Don't most virtualisation tools lock the AltGr key for their own use?
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14:11<Muzer>(eg simulations of keypresses which would normally go straight to the OS)
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14:12<realu>hm maybe but i get an error msg in the guest
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14:13<realu>will post error msg as soon as i get the vm booted
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14:17<realu>atkbd.c: unknown key pressed
14:17<sernylan>I tried installing Lenny on January 3. Failed at loading gdm, which I guessed to be the xserver. Went to Squeeze, which worked, but a lotta other bugs. Since been a new release of Lenny, wondering if I should try that.
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14:18<realu>... use 'setkeycodes 00 <keycode> to make it known
14:18<realu>anyone an idea what im doing wrong
14:18<realu>?
14:18<new2this>i am attempting to get Code::Blocks installed on my system using the instructions given on this site: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-compile-and-install-codeblocks.html I get this error after build: g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus). can anyone help?
14:19<bja>realu: Check what type of keyboard is your host detecting
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14:21<ml|>sernylan: can't hurt
14:22<developer>if I install debian with or without LVM what's the difference?
14:22<realu>bja, how do i check that?
14:22<sney>lvm is like software RAID, if you're using it you'd know
14:22<realu>lspci?
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14:23<realu>developer, lvm makes sense with raid hardware or a lot of hd's
14:23<realu>you can for example build a logical volume (like a hd) over several hd's
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14:24<developer>seems like lvm makes readin USB FAT formated much more trickier
14:24<ml|>developer: usb readable now?
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14:24<developer>no
14:24<bja>realu: I can't remember, the last time it happened to me i fgi but i just can't remember
14:25<realu>lol
14:25<karme>lvm is always a nice to have and shouldn't interfere with a fat fs on a usb disk/stick at all
14:25<realu>brb got to smoke - will find it out soon ;)
14:25<bja>realu: I just quitted, its not that hard
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14:25<realu>but the problem ois the same with different hosts (different computers)
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14:26<realu>bja, i just started again ;P
14:26<ml|>developer: why not?
14:26<bja>realu: Believe me take the time to quit again :D
14:26<bja>If you need someone to shout at count with me
14:26<realu>karme, i disagree - one should use lvm only if one s got a reason for it
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14:26<realu>makes things complicated
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14:27<developer>Im thinking of rebooting my whole system and install without LVM
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14:27<realu>bja, thanks for the offer, i ll come back at it :)
14:27<karme>realu: snapshots and volume resizing are always nice to have
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14:28<realu>karme, yes thats true - but doesn t help if some other idiot has to understand it ;)
14:28<realu>i like to take a vacation from time to time
14:29<realu>brb
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14:29*karme did not want to suggest to use lvm on a usb stick / external drive with a fat fs on it
14:29<karme>realu: i think most people know lvm now
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14:31<new2this>can anyone help with an issue i am having with installing Code::Blocks on lenny from source? or suggest another method of installation?
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14:37<dondelelcaro>new2this: is that a perl module?
14:37<Mady>whats?
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14:38<dondelelcaro>oh, it's an ide
14:38<dondelelcaro>new2this: anyway, you'll have to provide the error message that you're getting
14:39<new2this>i am not sure if it is perl or just straight up written in c
14:40<dondelelcaro>it's in C++ most likely
14:40<new2this>g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus)
14:40<new2this>Please submit a full bug report.
14:40<new2this>See <file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.3/README.Bugs> for instructions.
14:40<new2this>make[2]: *** [../../src/include/sdk_precomp.h.gch] Error 1
14:40<new2this>make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/darkness/cb/codeblocks-8.02/src/include'
14:40-!-new2this was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
14:40<ml|>heh
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14:41<new2this>sorry,
14:41<ml|>dpkg: tell new2this about pastebin
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14:45<littleomar>How do I configure icewm-lite to use the menu file that I created? I am running lenny 5.0. I looked in the manual, but I don't understand the explanation.
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14:46<new2this>http://paste.debian.net/62290/
14:46<new2this>that is the full output of the process of attempting to compile from source
14:47<new2this>thanks ml| for telling me about pastebin
14:47<ml|>np
14:48<littleomar>new2this: 421: sh: svn: not found
14:49<littleomar>new2this: apt-get install subversion
14:49<new2this>littleomar: i'll try it, thanks...
14:50<DHD2>I'm trying to set a root password for my mysql database, but it just says acceerror: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
14:50<DHD2> - what do i do?
14:50<sney>'dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server' should prompt you for a root password
14:51<DHD2>it just gives me a new terminal line
14:51<realu>sney, and what if i had a password already set and forgot it ? then dpkg-reconfigure doenst work
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14:52<DHD2>what to do then realu ?
14:52<sney>setting a new password is part of the mysql setup process. if you lose your password then that's your own problem.
14:52<realu>i know ;)
14:52<DHD2>Well, ive got the password but i cant change it?
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14:53<realu>dhd2, sorry i don t know how to change it
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14:54<DHD2>hmm, i have the right password, and i can log into mysql .. but i cant connect from fx mysql front
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14:55<babilen>!i forgot mysql's root password
14:55<dpkg>If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html, or <mysql initial password>
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14:56<realu>thanks!
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14:58<DHD2>When i try to create a database: mysqladmin create test1 ... it gives me: error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' ... how do i use the password?
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15:03<geckos>!ignore
15:03<dpkg>rumour has it, ignore is the only method a selfish person is able to deal with those who think in a different way, or the only method a busy person has to deal with annoying pests.
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15:03<Mariia>hola
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15:04<DHD2>No one?
15:04<sney>wow, I didn't even get through typing !es
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15:04<geckos>sney: me too
15:04<sney>DHD2: man mysqladmin
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15:04<ml|>sney: should use es-social nick
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15:05<sney>ml|: yeah, that was coming next, but "hi" in any language is innocuous by itself
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15:05<ml|>yeah, but hola usually means ...
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15:06<ml|>anyways just suggesting is all
15:06<sney>I try not to jump the gun with the dpkg responses
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15:07<ml|>me too but usually 99% with hola can't go wrong
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15:09<realu>thanks for the help & bye
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15:12<adb>j #d-moldova
15:12<sney>adb is your / key broken
15:12<adb>yeah, ..
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15:13<lcb>rjent , i apologize, in meanwhile i had to leave for a bit. Indeed i would like to know if the location and syntax of the line is correct, since the following line is similar and the other doubt is if i need to do something else after saving the fstab. (lime making or mounting any dir etc. to refresh your memory the info is at http://debian.pastebin.com/SZKRhBGB
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15:13<lcb>* lime /like...
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15:14<rjent>lcb, as I recall is add the options to the partition you want to run quotas on. Please know that it has been about 3 years since I last setup a system with quota.
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15:15<rjent>lcb, in my case I only wanted user quotas not group so I did not include the grpquota
15:15<lcb>rjent, it's ok. i'm only trying to follow those instructions from the site.
15:16<lcb>rjent, well, so i'll remove the package quote
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15:17<lcb>rjent, thanks :)
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15:19<rjent>lcb, welcome. Please post back and see if you can report quotas on the disk
15:20<lcb>rjent, i will. thanks.
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15:26<eme>hola
15:26<geckos>!es
15:26<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:26<eme>helo
15:26<sney>!es-social
15:26<dpkg>Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:26<eme>dg4
15:27<eme>hola
15:27<ml|>!es-social eme
15:27<dpkg>eme: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:36<geckos>PUBLIC HILIGHT
15:36<CRACKBOY>hello all
15:36<geckos>ops, my bad
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15:38<CRACKBOY>?
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15:38<geckos>?
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15:39<ml|>geckos: he/she left
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15:41<geckos>ml|: I see
15:42<new2this>littleomar: are you still there?
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15:42<CRACKBOY>hello guys Need help under Ubuntu 8.10 please !!!
15:42<ml|>!ubuntu
15:42<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
15:42<CRACKBOY>yeh
15:42<CRACKBOY>i download
15:43<CRACKBOY>firefox 3.6.tar.bz
15:43<CRACKBOY>i extract it
15:43<CRACKBOY>i can run it by tapping ./firefox
15:43<ml|>CRACKBOY: /j #ubuntu on freenode
15:43<CRACKBOY>but i want install it in systerm files
15:43<CRACKBOY>what das mean ?
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15:43<new2this>i got this message this time...
15:43<geckos>CRACKBOY: means join the ubuntu chanel
15:43<new2this>svn: Path '../../..' ends in '..', which is unsupported for this operation
15:43<new2this>scriptbindings.cpp:10:25: warning: ../../../../src/include/sdk_precomp.h.gch: not a PCH file
15:43<CRACKBOY>yes
15:43<CRACKBOY>whi i can install firefox3.6
15:44<CRACKBOY>i've the package
15:44<CRACKBOY>there are not ./configure
15:44<CRACKBOY>and make install
15:44<CRACKBOY>but not working with this
15:44<CRACKBOY>please guys help :s
15:44<CRACKBOY>who*
15:44<ml|>you can't install the tar from firefox, it's a binary and join ubuntu channel
15:44<geckos>CRACKBOY: ubuntu doesn't come with firefox by default?
15:45<CRACKBOY>yes but old version
15:45<CRACKBOY>i want the newest :) 3.6 neamly
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15:45<ml|>CRACKBOY: Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net)
15:45<geckos>CRACKBOY: join the ubuntu channel I'm there
15:46<CRACKBOY>okéy thx
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15:46<new2this>can anyone help with an issue i am having with installing Code::Blocks on lenny from source?
15:46<new2this>tried before but got a new error message... :(
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15:51<geckos>new2this: this seems like perl module !?
15:51<new2this>i think it is written in c++
15:53<geckos>new2this: did you google it?
15:54<new2this>got it from C++ All-in-one for dummies, googled it and got this site: http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-to-compile-and-install-codeblocks.html
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15:55<new2this>found that i was needing subversion as well, tried after installing it and now have a different error during make
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15:55<geckos>new2this: I don't know what code::block is.. (seems like an IDE) but I got this.. http://apt.jenslody.de/
15:55<geckos>looks good
15:56<new2this>geckos: awesome, i am going to try their method now...
15:56<new2this>thanks
15:58<sylar>how to find the max jumbo frame supported by my NIC?
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15:59<geckos>new2this: np
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16:00<geckos>new2this: let me know if works
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16:04<geckos>brb
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16:08<geckos>hi
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16:09<sernylan>I've spent some time searching on open source graphics card support, and I'm finding documentation is, well, not as lucid as it was 10 or 15 years ago.
16:10<sernylan>In part, I suppose, because we didn't have closed source drivers to confuse the issue.
16:11<new2this>working through it right now geckos, will let you know once i get up and running...
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16:12<kop>sernylan: From what I've overheard here sound pretty much works these days. I could be totally wrong.
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16:15<geckos>new2this: OK
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16:20<jhutchins_lt>judd: versions phpbb2
16:20<judd>phpbb2 -- etch: 2.0.21-7; etch-security: 2.0.21-7
16:21<sernylan>kop: Here, it kinda works. Usta have to recompile the kernel in the snow, uphill, both ways -- but at least all the apps expected the same sound server.
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16:31<new2this>geckos: Jens' unofficial debian-repository worked like a charm. i got code::blocks up and running without issue
16:31<new2this>thanks again
16:31<geckos>new2this: thanks to google (:
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16:32<jhutchins_lt>judd: versions zip
16:32<judd>zip -- etch: 2.32-1; lenny: 2.32-1; squeeze: 3.0-2; sid: 3.0-3
16:32<geckos>thank*
16:33<ml|>jhutchins_lt: you can /msg judd
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16:33<new2this>yup, should of looked more on google, lol... thanks...
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16:38<dutchfish>judd versions zip
16:38<judd>zip -- etch: 2.32-1; lenny: 2.32-1; squeeze: 3.0-2; sid: 3.0-3
16:40<ml|>dutchfish: you can /msg judd
16:40<bja>!tell dutchfish about selftell
16:41<streuner>haha
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17:09<cesurasean>backup:~# hostname -f
17:09<cesurasean>hostname: Name or service not known
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17:12<ml|>cesurasean: does uname -a show your hostname?
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17:16<cesurasean>no, it does not.
17:16<ml|>hmm, do you have /etc/hostname
17:17<cesurasean>yes
17:17<ml|>and that is correct?
17:17<cesurasean>yes
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17:19<ml|>did you mess with it recently, if at all? and was it working correctly, is it a resent thing?
17:20<cesurasean>yees, recent
17:20<ml|>ah, you changed it
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17:21<ml|>cesurasean: you can try restarting networking
17:21<cesurasean>should /etc/hostname be domain, or domain.domain.com?
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17:23<geckos>hi again
17:23<geckos>?
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17:23<ml|>man hostname
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17:24<ml|>you should also change /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts with new hostname
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18:45<Kieran>Help!
18:45<bja>!ask
18:45<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:47<Kieran>I have a server program listening on port 25565, and I can see that it is listening on netstat, and I have checked that the port is open in iptables, YET STILL when I scan the port from another computer on the network, it says that it is closed and the matching client program won't connect either.
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18:49<kieranmenor>What do I do?
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18:49<bja>kieranmenor: do you have a firewall in between the two machines?
18:49<kieranmenor>no
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18:49<edhunter>kieranmenor: perhaps its only listening on localhost?
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18:50<bja>kieranmenor: netstat -pantu |grep 25565 can you paste the output?
18:50<bjoern_c>hi i'm searching for an backup tool, this tool must have some options for making backups via cronjob and via network (Internet) optional should it work for making Backups on an lokal NAS or an external ntfs partioned HDD, can anybody give me an tip for an Backup tool which can do this things ? (and sorry for my bad english)
18:51<kieranmenor>tcp6 0 0 :::25565 :::* LISTEN 23307/java
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18:51<retrospectacus>bjoern_c: most backup tools will handle those things
18:52<kieranmenor>i have other services running on the machine that work perfectly
18:52<retrospectacus>bjoern_c: I use rsnapshot
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18:52<ml|>bjoern_c: rsnapshot should do, not sure about ntfs part; me too
18:53<edhunter>bjoern_c: you can try luckybackup (not sure if its in testing/stable or just in sid). that uses rsync to do the actuall backups
18:53<bja>kieranmenor: if you are using ipv4 your service will not show up
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18:53<bja>i've hear bacula is ok
18:53<ml|>so does rsnapshot, use rsync
18:53<kieranmenor>i refuse to believe that because http and https look the same and work fine on v4
18:54<kieranmenor>tcp6 0 0 [::]:www [::]:* LISTEN
18:54<kieranmenor>tcp6 0 0 [::]:https [::]:* LISTEN
18:54<kieranmenor>tcp6 0 0 [::]:25565 [::]:* LISTEN
18:54<kieranmenor>etc
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18:54<bja>netsta -pantu|grep 80
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18:54<kieranmenor>oops
18:54<bjoern_c>hmm ok thanks what do u thing about baculer? (flexbackup i won't use - because i had big problems with this tool, it had crash my FAT of my Backup HDD so i won't use this tool anymore ^^)
18:54<ml|>dpkg: pastebin
18:54<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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18:57<bjoern_c>and one question, can i install on the same /boot/ section two kernels which belongs to two differential root pratitions?
18:57<ml|>rsnapshot with ssh will good for internet, since it's secure
18:57<bjoern_c>ml|, yes shh is good because the backup will going over internet
18:58<kieranmenor>so i don't really get it :/
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18:58<bjoern_c>kieranmenor, =
18:58<bjoern_c>?
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18:59<kieranmenor>regarding the port problem
18:59<ml|>you also just use rsync, but rsnapshot is better, imho
18:59<ml|>*can
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18:59<bjoern_c>hmm ok so then i will read the manuals thanks a lot
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19:00<edhunter>kieranmenor: can you paste the whole output of the netstat command? (in a pastebin this time ;) )
19:00<ml|>bjoern_c: /msg dpkg rsnapshot
19:00<kieranmenor>what command exactly?
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19:00<edhunter>kieranmenor: netsta -pantu
19:01<bjoern_c>ml|, thanks
19:01<ml|>np and man rsync ;)
19:02<ml|>you will still need to know how rsync works regardless
19:03<kieranmenor>well
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19:03<kieranmenor>i wouldnt want to paste the entire output
19:03<kieranmenor>there are a lot of people connected to the server right now
19:03<ml|>bjoern_c: one last thing, use a ssh with a passphrase
19:03<kieranmenor>what exactly do you need?
19:04<bjoern_c>ml|, so i think the howtos and manuals will tell me all about i have to know or there are some problems with rsanc i should know?
19:04<bjoern_c>ml|, yes you are right
19:04<bjoern_c>^^
19:04<ml|>yes, they should; just need to read and understand how it all works
19:04<bjoern_c>but there are some options to use afio ?
19:05<edhunter>kieranmenor: well i suspect that you also have ipv4 listening on port 80 and not just ipv6
19:05<ml|>look into keychain for ssh key retention
19:06<ml|>bjoern_c: ^ or can just use ssh-add
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19:07<llimeht>kieranmenor: is this squeeze or lenny?
19:07<kieranmenor>all the port 80 connections say tcp6
19:07<kieranmenor>lenny
19:08<bjoern_c>ml|, ok
19:08<ml|>bjoern_c: this should help after you understand the basics ... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=47836
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19:10<bjoern_c>ml|, ok thank you i will read it if i have problems, then i would ask in this channel if i'm allowed :)
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19:11<ml|>sure, good luck
19:12<bjoern_c>thanks i hope that these Backups will be better as my old backups (the problem with flex Backup) so all my Backups are lost and today i had needed them because i've setting up a new debian and windows -.-
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19:13<bjoern_c>but ok i think is was my mistake... but i wouldn't use flexbackup anymore ^^
19:13<ml|>should, you just restore file by file if needed, nothing is hidden
19:14<ml|>simple as cp ... or rync ...
19:14<bja>kieranmenor: try telneting to your aplication using the full ip address and see if it answers you
19:14<ml|>*rsync
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19:14<kieranmenor>it may have something to do with the tcp6 thing afterall
19:14<bjoern_c>yes but flexbackup have shooted every file allocation and so on
19:14<kieranmenor>but now i'm just puzzled that the http server seemingly has no v4 listener
19:15<ml|>shooted?
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19:15<bjoern_c>yes the hdd was formated with ntfs and ntfs-3g said after i wanted to backup, that the filesystem was corruptet
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19:16<ml|>ouch
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19:16<ml|>but, may have being an fs or hdd issue?
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19:17<ml|>I use linux fs's, so can say on ntfs
19:17<bjoern_c>and now i'm watching for the system recovery which is now running the important files are ok but the others i'ved backuped for the new system are gone... i hope you understanding me, what i want to say...
19:17<ml|>*can't
19:18<ml|>yes, I do
19:18<bjoern_c>ok
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19:19<bjoern_c>hmm i had used Windows for the last 3-4 years, and now i wanted to go back to debian so all my HDD's and so on was formated with ntfs oder fat 32 ^^
19:19<bjoern_c>but the wlan card was horrible to configure ..
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19:20<ml|>if, you don't need to use ntfs, I'd use a linux fs
19:20<bjoern_c>no i've to use windows compatible filesystems
19:21<bjoern_c>because i have to work with some Software which works only on Windows (MatLab or AnSoft Designer)
19:21<geckos>ml|: wzup
19:21<ml|>geckos: ?
19:22<geckos>ml|: what's up
19:22<ml|>geckos: ot goes to #debian-offtopic ;)
19:23<geckos>ml|: I mean with bjoern_c
19:23<geckos>:O
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19:23<ml|>ah, read up; talking about backups
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19:26<kieranmenor>meh
19:26<kieranmenor>http://pastebin.com/KEHwgHhk
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19:27<kieranmenor>it puzzles me why 21 is apparently open on both ipv4 and ipv6 when 25565 is only on ipv6
19:27<kieranmenor>when they apparently look the same according to netstat
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19:28<bjoern_c>ok i think i would go to bed - so thanks a lot ml| i think i can help myself with this backup tool but if i have some problem i will ask you or this channel again ;) so g n8 @ all
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19:28<ml|>good night
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19:30<kcynice>my debian can't start x after my system has a ati HD 4870 video card installed. is there any driver available?
19:31<geckos>kieranmenor: firewall?
19:31<kieranmenor>none
19:32<kieranmenor>well
19:32<kieranmenor>iptables, but that is properly configured
19:32<kcynice>kieranmenor, you said 'none' to me?
19:33<kieranmenor>no hardware firewall, i meant
19:33<ml|>kieranmenor: I'd double check to make sure
19:33<kieranmenor>but iptables is on the server
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19:33<geckos>!xserver-xorg-video-ati
19:33<geckos>kcynice: `aptitude show xserver-xorg-video-ati'
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19:34<kcynice>ok, i will have a try, thanks
19:34<geckos>kcynice: isn't this?
19:34<kieranmenor>http://pastebin.com/GXuPy46P
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19:36<kcynice>geckos, the output is: Package: xserver-xorg-video-ati; State: installed; Version: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4....
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19:37<geckos>kcynice: X stops with any error message?
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19:38<kcynice>oh, im not sure, because when the gdm would start, the screen became black with only three words: out of range. So, i have to remove the video card and use the embedded video card of the main board
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19:40<geckos>kcynice: weird
19:40<geckos>kcynice: the card works for sure?
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19:41<kcynice>yes, im sure. the card is new, it works for windows perfectly
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19:41<kcynice>i don't know how to find the error messages with the log by dmesg command
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19:44<kcynice>if i use that new card, i would can't start x and can't use irc software
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19:48<geckos>kcynice: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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19:49<geckos>suppose you udse Xorg
19:49<geckos>use *
19:50<ml|>kcynice: you can use irc in a shell, if you use cli one, like irssi
19:50*CkhiKuzad <3s irssi
19:50<ml|>!irssi
19:50<dpkg>irssi is probably the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
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19:50<CkhiKuzad>im using xchat though
19:50<ml|>heh
19:51*CkhiKuzad 's head explodes
19:51<kcynice>ok, i will have a try later after i install my new card and reboot
19:51<CkhiKuzad>sorry, too much horseradish
19:51*CkhiKuzad repairs head
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19:52<kcynice>geckos, i have opened the log file, but how to find what's wrong to my card?
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19:52<ml|>look for EE read the top of the file
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19:53<kcynice>oh, but no such lines
19:54<ml|>well, you are using onboard now?
19:55<kcynice>yes. i will new the new card later to have a try
19:55<ml|>/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old if you used the new card recently
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19:57<kcynice>no such lines too. i will reboot now.
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20:13<question>hi
20:13<question>i have some question
20:13<question>i can ask
20:13<question>?
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20:14<question>i can't install internet download manager
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20:21<banished>Hi, if there is an open source project providing .deb files, where would I have to go to propose them for inclusion in the debian archives?
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20:27<abrotman>banished: you can file an RFP and point at those packages .. though they may not be up to snuff
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20:31<wakemaster39>Sorry if this is the wrong spot, but wondering if anyone knows about GRUB error 2 or point me in direction of a channel that could give me a hand
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20:32<abrotman>with which distro?
20:32<wakemaster39>squeeze testing
20:34<wakemaster39>i forgot a 2, it is GRUB2 that is installed
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20:40<kcynice>im back, with ati hd 4870 video card installed
20:41<kcynice>i downloaded and installed the ati driver 10-2. but the new problem is, the mouse is disappear, although i can know its moving
20:41<kcynice>i just can't see the arrow while its moving
20:41<kcynice>how to fix it?
20:43<banished>kcynice: what's in your xorg.conf?
20:44<kcynice>i think it did have been reconfigured during the new driver installing
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20:48<kcynice>i have a look at this file, its simple: "Identifier 'Configured mouse', driver mouse" in section "InputDevice". any ideas?
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20:49<jagsph>Hi, im in #debianppc and everyone is idle. Is there anyone here who can assist with an SDL issue on PPC Arch?
20:50<abrotman>just ask, don't ask to ask .. and be patient
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20:51<jagsph>ok, any sdl application crashes with "Illegal Instruction". Supertux,Pingus are both affected.
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20:52<jagsph>Also, on another PPC mac which had Ubuntu installed. This issue was not present in their build of SDL.
20:53<kcynice>thanks, all. i hope i can resolve the problem next time. see yous next time.
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20:54<abrotman>jagsph: which version of Debian? did you check the BTS?
20:55<jagsph>abrotman: Tried Testing/Unstable. What is BTS?
20:55<abrotman>jagsph: bugs.debian.org
20:55<bja>!tell jagsph bts
20:56<jagsph>abrotman: yes, I did search, I did not make a posting. I did not find any relevant information.
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20:57<jagsph>abrotman: my search was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=libsdl1.2
20:58<abrotman>jagsph: unfortunately for you .. libsdl is broken into about a bazillion packages
20:59<jagsph>abrotman: =\
20:59<abrotman>jagsph: perhaps try strace or ltrace or gdb and see if you can narrow it down
21:01<jagsph>im not familiar with using those utilities. i will install strace, ltrace, and gdb. do you have any usage suggestions
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21:03<ml|>their man pages should help, if not google/a search engine should
21:03<jagsph>read(3, 0x104c0314, 4096) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
21:03<jagsph>--- SIGILL (Illegal instruction) @ 0 (0) ---
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21:05<abrotman>probably more above that
21:06<jagsph>abrotman: ill put it in a pastebin.
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21:08<jagsph>http://rootnexus.pastebin.com/vv5VKGkC
21:11<abrotman>jagsph: your system is fully up to date? right ?
21:12<jagsph>abortman: I just did an update and added the unstable / testing sources to apt
21:12<abrotman>and nothing is held back ?
21:12<jagsph>abrotman: nothing, i did an aptitude upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
21:12<abrotman>eh ..
21:13<abrotman>why not .. aptitude update and aptitude full-upgrade ?
21:13<abrotman>i mean .. why mix ?
21:13<jagsph>abrotman: a did a dist-upgrade after an upgrade, because packages were held back.
21:13<ml|>that's what full-upgrade does using aptitude
21:14<jagsph>abrotman: it was recommended as a safe solution to do an upgrade before a dist-upgrade if it is not necessary i wont do it again.
21:14<abrotman>i meant the mixing of apt-get and aptitude
21:14<jagsph>abrotman: i was not aware it was an issue.
21:15<abrotman>i was just curious why ..
21:15<ml|>and which release did you want to use, testing or sid?
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21:16<abrotman>jagsph: could you try reinstalling the pingus package and pingus-data package
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21:16<jagsph>ml|: sid
21:17<jagsph>abrotman: i believe they were upgraded. ill install a different sdl application, bother supertux/pingus do the same.
21:17<ml|>ok, since you mentioned testing also, you can remove the testing sources then if you have them
21:18<jagsph>ml|: i did. i started with a testing iso install, then upgraded to sid.
21:19<ml|>just wondering, some do not understand some of that
21:19*abrotman has difficulty ...
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21:42<delorean>ola
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21:48<Guest94>ola
21:49<Guest94>good night for debian user
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21:59<twb>I have a scratch amd64 sid VM. I'm trying to convert its root (not /boot) filesystem to btrfs.
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22:00<twb>But the initramfs can't find it.
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22:05<sney>twb: try adding insmod btrfs to grub
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22:06<sney>I'm not sure what file it'd go in on grub2, but it's gotta be something in /etc/grub.d
22:06<twb>sney: surely that only matters for /boot?
22:06<sig_wall>twb: you have to explicitly specify fstype: place "rootfstype=btrfs" into kernel command line
22:06<twb>sig_wall: ah.
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22:08<sig_wall>also if your btrfs is on raid hook needed to run "btrfsctl -a" at premount initrd stage
22:09<twb>It's a single-disk qemu instance.
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22:10<twb>Once .33 hits sid I want to try btrfs for my single-SSD netbook, which isn't mission critical.
22:10<twb>sig_wall: btw, is that rootfstype=btrfs trick documented somewhere? I didn't see it on the btrfs wiki.
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22:13<twb>sig_wall: also, do you know if the UUID is changed by btrfs-convert?
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22:13<sney>if UUIDs changed then what would be the point
22:14<ml|>usually only on new fs creation
22:14<sig_wall>twb: it is not btrfs problem but klibc's. klibc fstype used by initramfs does not detect btrfs filesystem, so we need to specify explicitly
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22:15<twb>sig_wall: I didn't mean to imply it was btrfs' fault
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22:15<zac_>hello, is anyone available to give me a hand?
22:16<twb>sney: in-place conversion, even if it was one-way and changed the UUID, would still be useful
22:16<cryingthug>what do you need zac?
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22:16<ml|>zac_: just ask
22:16<zac_>well, thanks...
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22:16<zac_>I'm trying to post a but at wine bugs...
22:17<sig_wall>i have no idea why initramfs uses "fstype" of poorly maintained klibc and does not use more advanced blkid...
22:18<zac_>Some of the folders I have at the 'Program Files' Directory for wine cannot be read over the terminal, I don't undestand why...
22:18<ml|>it would suck if UUID's changed
22:18<twb>sig_wall: it's still not working with root=/dev/hda2 rootdelay=10 rootfstype=btrfs.
22:18<cryingthug>zac_: I don't have much experience at that.
22:18<twb>FWIW I can confirm that blkid recognized /dev/hda2 and fstype doesn't.
22:20<zac_>thanks, cryingthug...
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22:20<cryingthug>zac_: what are you using wine for?
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22:20<zac_>It's a Portugues dictionary...
22:21<cryingthug>zac_: oh...
22:21<zac_>There isn't a free software to replace it, I'm quite sure...
22:22<zac_>You know... sometimes when you use the terminal to see the contents of a folder...
22:22<sney>#debian-br or #debian-pt might know, or might know about using wine to run that particular app
22:22<sig_wall>twb: i've also seen a depmod problems with btrfs, all of libcrc32c.ko, zlib_deflate.ko and btrfs.ko should be in initramfs.
22:22<cryingthug>zac_: I have installed wine many times but have not found much use for it. There is so much Free Software out there but I guess you have a special case.
22:23<zac_>some folders, because they are windows files, probably, they appear with a different name...
22:23<twb>sig_wall: maybe I should update-initramfs after installing btrfs-tools?
22:23<twb>sig_wall: I'm using the default initramfs module list ("most", IIRC), not the fancy new "dep"
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22:24<sig_wall>maybe
22:25<ml|>dpkg: info aspell-pt
22:25-!-zac_ [~zac@201.82.133.180] has quit [Quit: zac_]
22:25<ml|>too late
22:25<sig_wall>twb: can you check that libcrc32c and zlib_deflate are in initramfs ?
22:25<dpkg>aspell-pt: (Portuguese dictionaries for GNU Aspell (old package)), section text, is optional. Version: 1.5 (sid), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
22:26<sig_wall>twb: they may be not included even with MODULES=most..
22:27<ml|>heh, aspell-pt-pt is what he was looking for
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22:28<sig_wall>twb: i suggest to add libcrc32c, zlib_deflate and btrfs into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then update
22:29<twb>OK, I'll try that.
22:29<ml|>seems like a lot of work for btrfs atm
22:30<twb>ml|: it's still new and shiny
22:31<twb>I'm learning it now so that when it comes time for production deployments, my teeth will already be cut.
22:33<ml|>yeah, nothing bad in learning; but still a ways to go for btrfs, no?
22:33<sig_wall>I like btrfs file cloning and online defrag features
22:34<twb>We're currently using ZFS, which is a huge suck, if only because of bloody Solaris.
22:34<jar>what's wrong with solaris?
22:34<jar>i know we're in #debian but come on
22:34<ml|>!start a war
22:34<dpkg>start a war is probably GWB says you have WMD!!!! Mwhahaha
22:34<twb>jar: it's not the GNU userland by default
22:35<jar>so..?
22:35<jar>install it?
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22:35<jar>im not a fan of BSD userland either, so you know what i do? i install the GNU tools
22:35<twb>I'd probably like Nexenta if it wasn't for the whole CDDL/dpkg fight.
22:35*jar shrug
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22:36<twb>jar: I'm not the boss man for that host, so I'm not allowed
22:36<jar>you can install most of them in a userdir
22:36<jar>heh
22:36<twb>jar: easier to bitch about it
22:36<jar>just ./configure --preifx=/home/you/Apps
22:36<jar>and then export the path and ld path
22:36<jar>voila
22:36<jar>gnu tolls
22:36<jar>er, tools
22:36<jar>twb: At least you admit you're bitching >_>
22:36*jar ducks
22:37<jar>If you want help getting the GNU tools installed, it's not that difficult.
22:37<jar>the first thing i do on FreeBSD is install bash, for example
22:37<twb>Yak shaving blows.
22:37<jar>lol
22:38<jar>such is life
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22:38*jar points to his crotch
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22:46<twb>abrotman: sorry `bout that.
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22:52<twb>sig_wall: no hits from: zcat /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-2-amd64 | cpio -t | grep btrfs, so I guess you found the problem.
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22:58<jagsph>abrotman: I submitted a bug report on supertux with the strace and any relevant information. Thanks for your help.
22:59<abrotman>jagsph: they're probably going to ask you for more debugging info .. just make sure you follow up with them
23:00<jagsph>abrotman: I will follow up. I have 2 of these machines here.
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23:00<abrotman>jagsph: i have one, but it hasn't been turned on in ages ..
23:01<jagsph>abrotman: Im actually a Mac hater, but I got this one for $6 from a second hand store. My significant other loves it because it is pink and wants to keep it.
23:02<abrotman>jagsph: yes, i've heard the pink ones run faster .. or something
23:02<jagsph>The only way I can justify using it is with my favorite Linux distribution... Debian.
23:02<ml|>haha
23:03<abrotman>jagsph: did you try it on both of them? same issue on both ?
23:03<jagsph>abrotman: no the other system has ubuntu on it. it doesnt have the issue.
23:03<jagsph>abrotman: the other is also slower, because its not pink ;)
23:03<twb>abrotman: you know that cat 6 cabling is just cat 5e, except that the wire with the red racing stripe carries data instead of ground?
23:03<abrotman>ah .. okay
23:04<abrotman>jagsph: did you try other/smaller sdl games/apps ?
23:04<kop>twb: Silly. The other difference is that it costs more. ;)
23:05<jagsph>abrotman: I did try pingus. I will try tmw (the mana world) right now and see how that goes unless you can recommend another.
23:05<twb>kop: they have to recoup the R&D effort of trying racing stripes on different pins
23:05<abrotman>jagsph: i haven't coded stuff with SDL in a really really long time .. i don't know much about the current state of the games
23:06<jagsph>abrotman: i really dont know of any others off hand, im not a gamer although i will play some openarena from time to time. it wouldnt be an issue to me but the girlfriend loves penguin games.
23:07<abrotman>moon-launch! :)
23:07<jagsph>xlander?
23:07<abrotman>pink computers and penguin games ...
23:07<abrotman>moon-lander - An SDL game based on the classic moon lander
23:07<ml|>great combo ;)
23:07<abrotman>oh, mirrormagic is fun IIRC
23:08<twb>Moon Lander: an Interactive Newtonian Mechanics Adventure
23:08<jagsph>abrotman: im a big fan of prince of persia
23:08<jagsph>the original 2
23:09*abrotman thinks that isn't an SDL game ...
23:09<jagsph>abrotman: only if dosbox runs in sdl.
23:09<abrotman>ok
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23:09<jagsph>im about to test a few im waiting for apt to finish
23:09*abrotman waves
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23:10<jagsph>moon-lander=fail
23:10<abrotman>yeah, that's a pretty minimal game IIRC .. i'd guess mirrormagic will implode also
23:10<jagsph>mirror-magic=fail
23:10*abrotman really goes ..
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23:11<jagsph>someone said it may be because of software being compiled for altivec support, but my cpu not having it.
23:12<sney>altivec is power4 and up, I think?
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23:13<jagsph>sney: yeh thats what i heard. it doesnt make sense that debian would have software compiled specifically for it on the repo to me.
23:14<ml|>I thought it was power5 only
23:14<sney>unfortunately the number of people using older ppc hardware would be pretty low, so something like that could sneak by
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23:15<sney>apple users are notorious for disregarding the value and usefulness of older hardware
23:15<dondelelcaro>jagsph: there may be specific library variants bult with altivec, but it would be a bug otherwise.
23:15<jagsph>sney: you are right, thats a possibility, i wouldnt think it would be done intentionally
23:16<jagsph>dondelecaro: yeh. im not sure exactly which library it is. im hoping the individuals at the bug tracking system can help redirect the bug to the package causing it
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23:17<ml|>I would like to use my g5, but uses so much power compared to current hardware
23:17<jagsph>sney: this system is very useful for $6 its got 30gb hd,256mb ram... and can handle any word processing and browsing/email tasks i need... it also plays youtube with the proper greasemonkey script and mp3s'... im sure it could handle dvds also with an external usb drive.
23:18<sney>probably
23:18<ml|>can't beat almost free
23:19<ml|>and pink does not hurt ;)
23:19<sney>pinku
23:20<jagsph>ml|: nope you cant. the other one I have was the same price but with an 8gb drive and 266mhz processor instead of the 400.... im probably going to give it to away to someone that needs a very basic computer.
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23:20<jagsph>266 is just too slow, and the pink is way-cooler
23:20<ml|>heh
23:22<jagsph>lxde really helps. i use lxde on my core2 even though i wouldnt have a problem running gnome with compiz
23:24<twb>FWIW, I ran OS X 10.2 on a bondi blue imac without problems. Admittedly, all it did was act as an X11 thin client...
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23:24<ml|>jagsph: amen, no need for de
23:24<twb>I was pissed with it because the OF interface had a really sexy small font, but once you booted Debian, you were stuck with a great big font on the fbcon.
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23:25<jagsph>twb: I heard a lot of good things about osx, but apple ended support for ppc versions.
23:25<sney>could probably force a higher dpi
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23:26<twb>jagsph: OS X blows. POWER is a sexy architecture, but nowadays they're in locked-down gaming consoles :-(
23:26<ml|>yeah and can't be used on old hardware
23:26<sney>osx is okay but I hate its fans
23:27<jagsph>osx is a commercial operating system done right.
23:27<ml|>last comment on OS X ;) it's ok, nothing is perfect
23:27<twb>It's a crufty 80s unix
23:27<franki^>It's a goat, walking in the park, on a dark night.
23:27<twb>Even its windowing system is vendor-specific
23:28<bja>!ot
23:28<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
23:28<jagsph>well aside from all of that, before it turns into a war.....
23:28<ml|>lets continue in ot if you like ;)
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23:32<kop>Are there any alternatives to dhis when it comes to running a dynamic dns server? (It's the one I could find with aptitude on lenny.)
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23:36<JustRob> Is there a way to change the date stamp of a file? Or, is the date stamp on a file the creation date or modify date?
23:36<kop>(dhis isn't a dns server, it manages the dynamic dns registration and pingbacks and uses nsupdate to update bind zones.)
23:37<kop>JustRob: touch
23:37<JustRob>yeah, just thought of that as I typed it
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23:48<roszak>Hello everyone. I just installed Lenny with kernel version 2.6.26. Is it important to upgrade the kernel now, and if so, is there an easy command or set of commands to do that?
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23:49<sney>do you need a newer kernel for some reason?
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23:49<ml|>only if you need it, you would use bpo kernel; /msg dpkg bpo
23:50<roszak>sney: not really. not yet, i guess. i'm new to debian and noticed that its kernel is behind the current ubuntu clean install. I wondered if it was best practice to upgrade right away.
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23:51<sney>it's not.
23:52<sney>debian lenny (stable) has software and kernel versions chosen for stability. the only reason to upgrade is if you needed to support some newer hardware or if there was some functionality you were missing
23:52<roszak>ml|: thanks for the tip. I think I'll take sney's advice and hold off for now.
23:52<sney>ubuntu has lower standards for stability, which is one of many factors that drives people to switch
23:52<ml|>roszak: /msg dpkg reference and learn more about debian
23:53<roszak>sney: thank you. this is what drove me from ubuntu, in fact.
23:53<ml|>you might want the bpo sources anyways; but learn more about debian
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23:55<roszak>ml|: thanks. I'll explore. For now I'm pleased most of my hardware works "out of the box."
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23:55<ml|>:)
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23:56<ml|>roszak: just remember this it not ubuntu
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