| --- | Log | opened Mon Mar 08 00:00:01 2010 |
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| 00:01 | <dext_hack> | hello |
| 00:01 | <bja> | !ask |
| 00:01 | <dpkg> | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 00:02 | <dext_hack> | ok i am running back track 4 on vm work station and its running vary slow any answers? |
| 00:03 | <bja> | !backtrack |
| 00:03 | <dpkg> | BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>. |
| 00:03 | <dext_hack> | thanks |
| 00:03 | <bja> | 2yw |
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| 00:37 | <meglaw> | morrn |
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| 00:47 | <hachi> | what's the name of the package archive where I can look up things by date, sorta? |
| 00:48 | <hachi> | I'm looking for an old version of libperl-dev, 5.8.8-12 in particular |
| 00:48 | <gsimmons> | dpkg: tell hachi -about sdo |
| 00:50 | <hachi> | might wanna update that factoid to not say "unmaintained" and instead say "gone" |
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| 00:52 | <hachi> | hang on wait... the factoid says unmaintained about the one that is still up |
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| 00:52 | <hachi> | and recommends I use one that doesn't even have a DNS entry |
| 00:52 | <hachi> | the dev one is up though, so whooo |
| 00:52 | <gsimmons> | hachi: What part of "soon to be" is not clear? |
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| 00:55 | <hachi> | ooops, the part where I didn't translate it correctly in my head |
| 00:55 | <hachi> | sorry |
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| 02:51 | * | casa_is_not_here is away: Zurzeit abwesend |
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| 02:54 | <weasel> | casa_is_not_here: torn that off. |
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| 02:54 | <weasel> | casa_is_not_here: both the nick change and the public message. |
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| 03:12 | <jae> | You know what's annoying about Debian? Things like this: http://bugs.debian.org/572031 |
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| 03:13 | <babilen_zzz> | jae: no need to spam the channels - bugs happen and the issue is fixed upstream |
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| 03:22 | <jmm> | hi. |
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| 04:13 | <sawyer> | hey all |
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| 04:13 | <jmm> | hi. |
| 04:13 | <sawyer> | i was wondering if there was any specific application to do an automatic shutdown when the comp has been idle for a while. |
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| 04:14 | <sawyer> | perhaps any way to configure X or GNOME for this. |
| 04:14 | <jmm> | umm isn't shutting down a bit strong ? |
| 04:14 | <babilen> | sawyer: How do you define "idle" ? |
| 04:14 | <sawyer> | babilen, for instance when i go to sleep |
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| 04:15 | <sawyer> | actually, scratch that, i'll depict it better |
| 04:15 | <babilen> | alright :) |
| 04:15 | <sawyer> | if i watch a movie, when i'm done watching the movie, i want it to shut down |
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| 04:15 | <sawyer> | perhaps this could be done using the application, but if there was a way the window manager could handle this.. (though i don't know how) |
| 04:15 | <jmm> | mplayer foo.avi ; shutdown -h now |
| 04:15 | <jmm> | :) |
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| 04:15 | <sawyer> | hehe |
| 04:16 | <jmm> | I guess you can make some shortcut if you want to do it from gnome. |
| 04:16 | <jmm> | replacing mplayer, by your favorite player. |
| 04:16 | <sawyer> | but that won't work for GUI, i'd probably have to create a bash script that wraps the mplayer command and then associate all video files with it, but that's a hassle |
| 04:17 | <sawyer> | a shortcut to what? |
| 04:17 | <babilen> | sawyer: You can configure gnome-power-manager to put the computer to sleep when it is idle for a while (gnome-power-preferences) - not sure if it is possible to shut it down. |
| 04:17 | <jmm> | a shortcut to the mplayer command. hehe I'm not very good with GUI. |
| 04:18 | <sawyer> | i understood that "sleep mode" isn't really healthy to the computer or the operating system |
| 04:18 | <babilen> | sawyer: But given that shutting down the system might lead to data loss - I would suggest to either let it sleep or hibernate |
| 04:18 | <babilen> | sawyer: Why would that be? |
| 04:18 | <sawyer> | i'm not sure |
| 04:18 | <sawyer> | it's writing all the memory to disk, no? |
| 04:18 | <sawyer> | would it be able to retrieve everything without loss of pointers, etc.? |
| 04:19 | <sawyer> | seems like risky business, but i might just be ignorant in that regard |
| 04:19 | <jm_> | yes |
| 04:19 | <babilen> | no - that's hibernate not suspend (i.e. sleep) |
| 04:19 | <sawyer> | hmm.. i'm confused |
| 04:20 | <babilen> | sawyer: You can either: (i) hibernate the computer (RAM content is written to disk and read into RAM if you start again) and (ii) RAM content is left as it is and the RAM is constantly powered during sleep |
| 04:20 | <babilen> | the latter being "suspend" or "sleep" |
| 04:20 | <sawyer> | oh |
| 04:21 | <sawyer> | so hibernate is the one i fear |
| 04:21 | <sawyer> | (perhaps without just) |
| 04:21 | <jm_> | there's nothing to fear about it |
| 04:21 | <babilen> | both work fine, the difference is that your system will survive a power outage if you hibernate and the RAM content is lost if you suspend |
| 04:22 | <babilen> | sawyer: both work well - resume from hibernation takes longer than resume from suspend |
| 04:22 | <babilen> | sawyer: The only thing that might go wrong is when you resume a hibernated system with a different kernel version (you are warned about that risk though) |
| 04:23 | <sawyer> | babilen, interesting... i think i'll pick the gnome sleep on idle in the power management preferences interface |
| 04:23 | <sawyer> | thank you both babilen and jm_ :) |
| 04:23 | <babilen> | :) |
| 04:23 | <sawyer> | and jmm |
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| 04:25 | <jmm> | :) |
| 04:26 | <icebrain> | babilen: when I do that it just warns me, and after a reboot and proper kernel selection it works fine |
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| 04:32 | <spons> | back |
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| 04:32 | <spons> | works i think |
| 04:32 | <spons> | thanks |
| 04:33 | <spons> | now lets solve the auto mount ntfs drives:p.. stupid passwords everywhere |
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| 04:36 | <spons> | solved |
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| 05:01 | <prem> | hi all.. |
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| 05:02 | <prem> | I have downloaded a .mkv file using vuze in lenny..but after the downlaod the "Audio/Video" info of the file shows nothing |
| 05:02 | <prem> | everything is given as 0 / Null.. |
| 05:02 | <prem> | why is it so..?now i cant play the file also.. |
| 05:02 | <prem> | how to play a .mkv fiel format in debian |
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| 05:07 | <babilen> | prem: You could try vlc/mplayer from debian-multimedia ("/msg dpkg dmm") - not sure if that will help you though as it could also be a corrupted file |
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| 05:08 | <prem> | babilen, am sure.,it is a 2GB movie file..but I am surprised..the Audio/video tab in Properties box is showing nothing.. |
| 05:08 | <prem> | is there anyway to fix it..? |
| 05:08 | <prem> | babilen, i did tried with both vlc and mplayer but didnt help |
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| 05:09 | <babilen> | prem: from dmm? |
| 05:10 | <prem> | no i installed from mainstream..pacakges.debian |
| 05:10 | <prem> | is there a big diff between these repos..? babilen |
| 05:11 | <babilen> | It *might* work with mplayer or vlc from dmm - they are compiled with more (non-free) codecs and it could be due to that. But could you try playing the movie from the command line with "vlc <movie>" and paste the output to a pastebin? |
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| 05:11 | <babilen> | !dmm |
| 05:11 | <dpkg> | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 05:11 | * | MeCooL i`m back |
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| 05:17 | <prem> | well babilen ..vlc from command line is not throwing any error..jus simply playing..but with no audio and no video.. |
| 05:17 | <prem> | anyway i will install from dmm and check |
| 05:17 | <babilen> | do that - it might work |
| 05:17 | <babilen> | prem: try mplayer as well |
| 05:17 | <prem> | k babilen |
| 05:17 | <babilen> | good luck :) |
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| 05:33 | <Rafts> | hi good day |
| 05:33 | <Rafts> | is there somebody who can help me? |
| 05:33 | <babilen> | no |
| 05:33 | <Rafts> | ;P thank you |
| 05:33 | <babilen> | in other words: Just ask :) |
| 05:34 | <Rafts> | a little problem in my debian lenny server.. |
| 05:34 | <babilen> | pray continue ... |
| 05:34 | <Rafts> | i can't update it.. with aptitude update |
| 05:34 | <Rafts> | can't connect on servers of sources.list |
| 05:35 | <babilen> | could you paste the output of "aptitude update" to a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) |
| 05:35 | <babilen> | have you tried other mirrors? |
| 05:36 | <Rafts> | getted from here.. http://www.sourceslist.eu/sourcesdebianlenny.list |
| 05:37 | <Rafts> | http://paste.debian.net/63163 |
| 05:37 | <Rafts> | here u are |
| 05:37 | <babilen> | Rafts: That sources.list is a complete mess and i'm not willing to support it |
| 05:37 | <babilen> | !sources.list |
| 05:37 | <dpkg> | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 05:37 | <themill> | Whoever wrote that sources.list needs to get a clue |
| 05:37 | <babilen> | Rafts: Start with the sources.list outlined above - and come back |
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| 05:44 | <Rafts> | sorry -- here iam |
| 05:45 | <Rafts> | ok.. |
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| 05:47 | <Rafts> | interesting.. now it work! ;) thanks |
| 05:49 | <Rafts> | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 05:49 | <Rafts> | 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 05:49 | <Rafts> | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 05:49 | <Rafts> | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 05:49 | -!- | Rafts was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
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| 05:49 | <Rafts> | sorry |
| 05:50 | <themill> | dpkg: tell Rafts about new archive key |
| 05:50 | <Rafts> | This is the error--- http://paste.debian.net/63166 |
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| 05:50 | <babilen> | Rafts: Please use an official sources.list as exemplified in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list and follow the factoid dpkg just told you about |
| 05:51 | <Rafts> | ...interesting bot :) |
| 05:51 | <themill> | (except change "stable" to "lenny" in that example) |
| 05:51 | <babilen> | ^^^^^ *important* ^^^^^ |
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| 05:54 | <Rafts> | i debian-archive-keyring <-- seems to be installed.. |
| 05:54 | <Rafts> | to upload a new key? |
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| 05:55 | <rolnikov> | Hi |
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| 05:55 | <babilen> | welcome |
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| 05:56 | <rolnikov> | Can anybody explain me why aptitude prints me 'no candidate version found for icedove-3.0' if i use squezee |
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| 05:56 | <rolnikov> | it complete me its package name when i press Tab |
| 05:57 | <babilen> | rolnikov: That package is in experimental and you should not use it |
| 05:57 | <rolnikov> | does fact that i use amd64 distribution can impact it ? |
| 05:58 | <rolnikov> | oh |
| 05:58 | <rolnikov> | so why bash completes me its name ? |
| 05:58 | <rolnikov> | hmm |
| 05:58 | <babilen> | rolnikov: See the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy icedove-3.0" |
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| 05:58 | <babilen> | rolnikov: I guess that you have/had experimental in your sources.list (maybe deb-src only) |
| 05:59 | <rolnikov> | hmm i'll check it |
| 05:59 | <rolnikov> | apt-cache policy icedove-3.0 gives me : |
| 05:59 | <rolnikov> | icedove-3.0: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: |
| 05:59 | <babilen> | !pastebin |
| 05:59 | <dpkg> | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 06:00 | <babilen> | rolnikov: You could paste your sources.list - and the output of "apt-cache policy" ... |
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| 06:02 | <rolnikov> | http://paste.debian.net/63167/ |
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| 06:02 | <rolnikov> | i have one entry with experimentAL... |
| 06:02 | <rolnikov> | i'll remove it and check again |
| 06:02 | <babilen> | Rafts: Please don't /msg me or other people in this channel if they haven't expressed their approval |
| 06:03 | <babilen> | Rafts: Stop it |
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| 06:03 | <babilen> | !tell Rafts -about msg |
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| 06:03 | <Rafts> | sorry.. |
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| 06:04 | <rolnikov> | http://paste.debian.net/63168/ |
| 06:04 | <babilen> | Rafts: Read the pastebin factoid above and paste your errors - and *ask* *in* *the* *channel* |
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| 06:06 | <babilen> | rolnikov: sources.list + "apt-cache policy" (look! there is no "icedove-3.0" in that command) |
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| 06:06 | <babilen> | rolnikov: But you shouldn't install that package anyway ... |
| 06:06 | <Rafts> | http://paste.debian.net/63169/ |
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| 06:07 | <rolnikov> | babilen: ok, i understand You, but its confusing when bash completes me packages names which i can not instal |
| 06:09 | <babilen> | rolnikov: As i said: It might be due to the fact that you had experimental in your sources.list and that package name is therefore known to exist |
| 06:09 | <babilen> | rolnikov: Not sure how to update the list of installable packages for bash-completion though - sorry |
| 06:09 | <rolnikov> | spox |
| 06:09 | <rolnikov> | no problem, thanks for advice |
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| 06:11 | <Rafts> | babilen: when try to update key.. http://paste.debian.net/63169/ |
| 06:12 | <babilen> | Rafts: Do you use the official sources.list now? |
| 06:12 | <Rafts> | yes |
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| 06:13 | <babilen> | Rafts: Install/Update the debian-archive-keyring (you might get an error - ignore it *this time) or use a different keyserver |
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| 06:16 | <hendry> | where has dos2unix gone? http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sysutils.html |
| 06:16 | <koollman> | hendry: tofrodos |
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| 06:32 | <hever> | Wasn't there a tool to parse the commandline history? I'm for example looking for a special command I executed in the past and I'm going to find it fast |
| 06:32 | <petemc> | ^ r |
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| 06:32 | <jm_> | modern shell also have keybindings which trigger history search etc. |
| 06:33 | <petemc> | thats what control r does |
| 06:33 | <petemc> | as im sure you know jm_ |
| 06:33 | <jm_> | ahh that was ctrl-r, i thourgh your'e referring to the ^ or r built-ins ;) |
| 06:33 | <jm_> | petemc: see above |
| 06:33 | <hever> | whow thats really helpfull, thank you ! |
| 06:34 | <petemc> | jm_: :) |
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| 06:38 | <hever> | petemc, are there search place holders or a regexp engine ? |
| 06:39 | <hever> | I'm looking for command and a special argument |
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| 06:40 | <babilen> | hever: Not sure if Bash supports that, but you can always grep within ~/.bash_history |
| 06:41 | <hever> | well thats the best |
| 06:41 | <babilen> | (assuming that the command has already been written to that file) |
| 06:41 | <jm_> | you can use fc to search for a regex |
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| 06:41 | <babilen> | jm_: +1 |
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| 06:47 | <Guest3> | we are currently looking at alternatives to LIDS and have narrowed it down to SELinux, OSSEC or GRSec. anyone have any reason why we should choose OSSEC. or for that matter why we should even give up LIDS? |
| 06:47 | <prahal> | Guest3, there is also tomoyo |
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| 06:49 | <slydder1> | prahal: would tomoyo work within a vserver or openvz container? |
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| 06:50 | <prahal> | good catch . That remains to be checked |
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| 06:50 | <slydder1> | that's the main problem we are facing with LIDS and the only reason we are considering the move to ossec |
| 06:50 | <slydder1> | however. ossec has no mac and root restrictions that we would like to see. |
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| 06:51 | <slydder1> | at least I haven't found any mention of such for ossec in any of the reading I have done. |
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| 07:04 | <ottoshmidt> | what's the difference between aptitude clean and aptitude autoclean? |
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| 07:05 | <locklace> | man aptitude |
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| 07:07 | <ottoshmidt> | locklace, autoclean explanation is ambiguous for me that's why asked here |
| 07:07 | <slydder1> | dpkg aptitude |
| 07:07 | <dpkg> | methinks aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 07:07 | <slydder1> | ahh |
| 07:08 | <babilen> | ottoshmidt: autoclean keeps certain packages - for example the ones that are currently installed, so that you can reinstall them without having to download them first |
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| 07:08 | <babilen> | ottoshmidt: (because the currently installed ones are still downloadable) |
| 07:08 | <ottoshmidt> | babilen, thanks |
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| 07:09 | <babilen> | ottoshmidt: I would just use "autoclean" once in a while ... Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 07:09 | <babilen> | ottoshmidt: Disregard that question ... |
| 07:09 | <ottoshmidt> | sid/squeeze |
| 07:10 | <babilen> | it might be handy to have "old" packages around ... you can get them from snapshots though too |
| 07:10 | <ottoshmidt> | man page said "Removes any cached packages which can no longer be downloaded. This |
| 07:10 | <ottoshmidt> | allows you to prevent a cache from growing out of control over time |
| 07:10 | <ottoshmidt> | without completely emptying it. |
| 07:10 | <babilen> | yes |
| 07:10 | <ottoshmidt> | "Can no longer be downloaded" - was unclear for me at once |
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| 07:11 | <babilen> | ottoshmidt: If a new version of a package is released the old one is no longer "downloadable" (from the mirrors) |
| 07:12 | <ottoshmidt> | I see now :) |
| 07:12 | <babilen> | ottoshmidt: So you'll basically delete all packages that you had installed once, but have been upgraded to a new version |
| 07:12 | <babilen> | ottoshmidt: As i said - it might still be a good idea to have old versions laying around in case something breaks your sid |
| 07:13 | <[fFf]> | Hi, is there anyone of the DSA team? |
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| 07:17 | <maxp> | Hi ! :) |
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| 07:17 | <maxp> | I have a problem |
| 07:18 | <maxp> | I have installed 4GB in my laptop |
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| 07:18 | <maxp> | install linun-image-bigmem |
| 07:18 | <maxp> | uname -r shows: 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 07:18 | <maxp> | but debian (lenny) sees only 3.3GB |
| 07:18 | <maxp> | should I set some flag somewhere to enable 4GB ? |
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| 07:20 | <babilen> | [fFf]: why? |
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| 07:21 | <jm_> | maxp: which HIGHMEM option does bigmem enable? grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 07:21 | <maxp> | ee ?? I have only installed this bigmem image :) |
| 07:22 | <jm_> | so run the command to see which kernel options are enabled ... |
| 07:23 | <maxp> | it says: |
| 07:23 | <maxp> | # CONFIG_NOGHIGHMEM is not set |
| 07:23 | <maxp> | # CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G is not set |
| 07:23 | <Rafts> | babilen: i was at lunch.. debian-archive-keyring is installed.. |
| 07:23 | <maxp> | CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y |
| 07:23 | <jm_> | so it's the right option |
| 07:23 | <maxp> | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 07:24 | <maxp> | # CONFIG_DEBUG_HIGHMEM is not set |
| 07:24 | <babilen> | Rafts: up-to-date? |
| 07:24 | <maxp> | perhaps I should set this CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G ? |
| 07:24 | <jm_> | naah, 64G option should do it |
| 07:24 | <babilen> | maxp: Have you booted the -bigmem kernel? (Just checking :) |
| 07:24 | <maxp> | yes |
| 07:25 | <jm_> | babilen: presumably yes, otherwise uname -r would not pick up this config file |
| 07:25 | <maxp> | it is on the first position in GRUB and my VM does not work now :) |
| 07:25 | <erik> | will debian use upstart? |
| 07:25 | <maxp> | dont know :( |
| 07:25 | <jm_> | maybe check if there's anything in dmesg output about it |
| 07:25 | <babilen> | jm_: Ah i see it in my backlog now - just continue ;) |
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| 07:26 | <babilen> | erik: Read "The future of the boot system in Debian |
| 07:26 | <icebrain> | erik: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/09/msg00003.html |
| 07:26 | <jm_> | I used to use custom compiled kernel with 32bit release and HIGHMEM64G enabled and it showed all of the memory IIRC, but I have disabled it later on, will check what my bro's machine shows |
| 07:26 | <babilen> | erik: on the debian-devel- ^^^^ |
| 07:27 | <erik> | babilen, that was a long time ago.... |
| 07:27 | <babilen> | erik: So? |
| 07:28 | <icebrain> | erik: Sep 2009, how is that a long time? |
| 07:28 | <erik> | things change in 6 months, but hey what should I say when you link a 2 page mail from a 4 word question.. |
| 07:28 | <babilen> | erik: It's the information you asked for and the official announcement - what more can you ask for? |
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| 07:29 | <babilen> | erik: You can use dependency based boot in squeeze/sid ... It will be part of the next release and well ... what else is there to say? |
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| 07:33 | <maxp> | must reboot :/ |
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| 07:33 | <erik> | babilen, While very thankfull for the link, it would have been nice to answer the question as well. :-) |
| 07:35 | <babilen> | erik: <quote>The planned time frame for this is to replace /sbin/init with upstart |
| 07:35 | <babilen> | for Squeeze, and see if we manage to change the very early boot to |
| 07:35 | <babilen> | become event based in time for Squeeze too |
| 07:35 | <babilen> | </quote> |
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| 07:36 | <babilen> | erik: Just read the announcement |
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| 07:38 | <maxp> | tell, command top will see 4GB or not ? |
| 07:38 | <maxp> | I have changed CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 07:39 | <maxp> | and comment config for 64G but still nothing |
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| 07:43 | <erik> | anyways I asked because I just used upstart today on Ubuntu, and you really need to know about it since /etc/rc*.d still exists. |
| 07:43 | <erik> | babilen: I have too little time to read it :-) My daughter wakes up every minute, so I just finnished reading it, thanks for the quote. |
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| 07:43 | <jm_> | maxp: that config file is what was used when the kernel was built, you can change it all you want and changes won't have any effect |
| 07:44 | <maxp> | jm_: so I should then recompile it, right ? |
| 07:44 | <maxp> | is it hard to do ? :D |
| 07:44 | <jm_> | maxp: yes, but it's mostly pointless since it's already using the right options |
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| 07:44 | <maxp> | even htop shows 3.3 :( |
| 07:44 | <maxp> | btw. my bios sees 4GB |
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| 07:45 | <erik> | maxp, grep MemTot /proc/meminfo |
| 07:45 | <jm_> | i'll check on my brothers machine later today, he recently bought another 2G so we shall see |
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| 07:46 | <maxp> | erik: 3367236 KB |
| 07:46 | <maxp> | 3368236 KB* |
| 07:47 | <maxp> | maybe I should install 64bit version of lenny ? |
| 07:47 | <babilen> | you can try the 64bit kernel with 32bit userland |
| 07:47 | <erik> | maxp, are you sure it's not used by something elsed |
| 07:48 | <jm_> | well that should help, or or simply use the amd64 kernel first |
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| 07:48 | <maxp> | even if I have intel CPU ? (dual core) |
| 07:48 | <jm_> | yes |
| 07:48 | <erik> | http://madduck.net/blog/2009.11.18:ram-reclaimed-mystery-solved/ |
| 07:48 | <babilen> | !why amd64 |
| 07:48 | <dpkg> | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 07:48 | <maxp> | ok, will try :) |
| 07:49 | <jm_> | i think that madduck post was for a full 64bit release |
| 07:49 | <erik> | quote "Despite the 4× 1Gb RAM modules I added, the BIOS (and Linux) only sees 3072 Mb. " aah sorry also bios |
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| 07:50 | <jm_> | so it was a matter of using the remap option in the BIOS - not quite sure if this applies to 32bit releases |
| 07:50 | <BlackFate> | erik, if bios only reports 3gb then you should check your hardware |
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| 07:51 | <babilen> | erik said that the BIOS sees 4GB |
| 07:51 | <ml|> | maxp: are you sure your laptop supports 4gb of memory; some mobo bios do not; dos it show full 4gb in bios? |
| 07:51 | <maxp> | I'm wondering what will stop work when I run 64-bit core :D |
| 07:51 | <BlackFate> | ah soz.. then its 32bit of you linux that on sees 3gb |
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| 07:51 | <maxp> | I have checked that. bios sees 4GB |
| 07:51 | <ml|> | ah, just saw nevermind |
| 07:51 | <jm_> | maxp: in the past iptables didn't work |
| 07:51 | <maxp> | wireless card ? :D |
| 07:51 | <erik> | I have no such problem I've been using 64GB on servers since 2005. :-) |
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| 07:52 | <maxp> | ok, truth time - reboot :) |
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| 07:52 | <jm_> | speaking of this - I wonder if it's feasible to convert 32bit installation to a 64bit one without reinstall |
| 07:52 | <BlackFate> | erik, yes but if you use 32bit systems you sould compile kernel with high memory support OR install 64bit system |
| 07:52 | <erik> | jm_, chroot |
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| 07:52 | <jm_> | erik: yeah I was thinking debootstrap and then reinstall existing packages |
| 07:53 | <erik> | BlackFate, indeed |
| 07:53 | <jm_> | I will test this procedure if I get new workstation soon |
| 07:53 | <babilen> | jm_: It's not - there is a guide somewhere but it has *WARNING* and *DANGEROUS* written all over it. The people who tried it failed miserably most of the time |
| 07:53 | <jm_> | babilen: hehe |
| 07:54 | <babilen> | jm_: That was switching a live system though and not a debootstrapped new installation and a switch |
| 07:54 | <jm_> | what's one more failed attempt when someone pays you to do it |
| 07:54 | <BlackFate> | erik, 32bit with high mem support is said to have speed regressions, but i dont think it is noticeable |
| 07:54 | <erik> | Just boot a 64bit kernel and to a chroot install. no problem. |
| 07:55 | <jm_> | indeed, that's what my plan says - boot 64bit grml, debootstrap 64bit release over 32bit one, reinstall the rest |
| 07:55 | <jm_> | or is instead of says |
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| 07:56 | <jm_> | i'll search for that dangerous post when this becomes reality (i.e. when my order is approved) |
| 07:57 | <babilen> | jm_: http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ |
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| 07:58 | <jm_> | babilen: thanks |
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| 08:03 | <maxp> | ok, its getting strange |
| 08:04 | <maxp> | on amd64 still 3.3G and my iwl3945 does not want to connect to net :/ |
| 08:04 | <jm_> | interesting, did you check for any remap options in the BIOS? |
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| 08:05 | <maxp> | yes, but can't find anything about it |
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| 08:23 | <anna> | http://imgnow.info/03-07-10-boobs.jpg/ do my boobs look small? lol |
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| 08:24 | <OdyX> | !spam |
| 08:24 | <dpkg> | i heard spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt . See also <greylisting>, <list spam>. |
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| 08:24 | <b2man> | hali |
| 08:25 | <b2man> | van itt valaki aki tud magyarul? |
| 08:25 | <jm_> | !hu |
| 08:25 | <dpkg> | somebody said hu was Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
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| 08:29 | <[fFf]> | babilen: I'd like to contribute to Debian in this way |
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| 08:31 | <babilen> | [fFf]: are you a DD/DM? |
| 08:31 | <[fFf]> | babilen: no |
| 08:31 | <babilen> | [fFf]: Read: http://www.debian.org/security/faq |
| 08:31 | <[fFf]> | babilen: need to be_ |
| 08:32 | <babilen> | [fFf]: The easiest way would be to fix bugs, contribute patches or have your packages sponsored by DDs/DMs |
| 08:32 | <[fFf]> | I'm not a programmer |
| 08:32 | <[fFf]> | I'm a sysadm |
| 08:32 | <jm_> | not all tasks require programming skills |
| 08:33 | <jm_> | and even many sysadmins have some programming skills |
| 08:33 | <babilen> | I would suggest to write to the debian-security mailing list and ask how you could help |
| 08:33 | <[fFf]> | I know some programming languages but I work mainly on production servers |
| 08:33 | <[fFf]> | DSA and security team aren't they different? |
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| 08:35 | <[fFf]> | babilen: is the correct path to became a Debian system administrator? |
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| 08:35 | <babilen> | I don't quite understand ... You mean someone who is an administrator *within* the Debian project? |
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| 08:36 | <babilen> | [fFf]: Just ask on that ML. The right people will read your mail and guide you |
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| 08:36 | <[fFf]> | I mean http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA |
| 08:36 | <babilen> | [fFf]: It's a long way to become a member of the DSA |
| 08:37 | <[fFf]> | I've no time costraints... |
| 08:37 | <[fFf]> | :-) |
| 08:37 | <babilen> | [fFf]: then "Find a task in the request-tracker and send a patch" |
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| 08:38 | <babilen> | the request tracker is login-only though |
| 08:38 | <[fFf]> | yes |
| 08:38 | <babilen> | I would ask on that ML - they'll know |
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| 08:39 | <babilen> | or ask in #debian-security |
| 08:39 | <[fFf]> | asked some ours ago, now I'm waiting |
| 08:41 | <[fFf]> | what do you think requirements are? LDAP, bash scripting, Perl, Puppetd, postfix, apache...? |
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| 08:46 | <babilen> | [fFf]: jesus - complete brainfuck. I parsed "DSA" as "Debian Security Advisory" and not "Debian System Administrators" |
| 08:47 | <[fFf]> | :-) |
| 08:47 | <[fFf]> | I suspected something similar... |
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| 08:55 | <babilen> | [fFf]: http://dsa.debian.org/dsablog/ ask on the debian-admin ML and/or on #debian-devel for guidance |
| 08:55 | <babilen> | [fFf]: knowledge of puppet would be good (see first post) |
| 08:56 | <[fFf]> | ok |
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| 08:56 | <babilen> | (second post rather) |
| 08:56 | <[fFf]> | I've read the blog yet |
| 08:57 | <[fFf]> | do you think #debian-devel would be a good starting point? |
| 08:57 | <babilen> | ask there if you are interested in "accepting the mission" :) |
| 08:58 | <[fFf]> | ok |
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| 09:11 | <hatoon> | anybody here already install the wireless on dell vostro? |
| 09:11 | <babilen> | it's possible |
| 09:11 | <avu> | if by 'install the wireless' you mean 'use the wifi' then yes |
| 09:11 | <avu> | for me, it just works, I'm using squeeze though, not lenny |
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| 09:12 | <babilen> | hatoon: paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" please |
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| 09:12 | <hatoon> | ok |
| 09:13 | <babilen> | since it's one line you can just paste it in here :) |
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| 09:13 | <hatoon> | atheros ar5001 |
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| 09:13 | <hatoon> | babilen, |
| 09:14 | <babilen> | that's not the complete output |
| 09:15 | <hatoon> | and an atheros 5001 |
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| 09:17 | <babilen> | hatoon: If you don't give me the exact output there is very little *I* can do. avu might be able to help. You might want to "/msg dpkg atheros" in the meantime |
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| 09:19 | <avu> | my vostro doesn't have an atheros card but some broadcom chip |
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| 09:25 | <hatoon> | I see I have to enable the kernel? |
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| 09:28 | <babilen> | hatoon: You could start by providing the output of the command i gave you |
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| 09:31 | <hatoon> | tell me how do I paste the output of the command here |
| 09:32 | <ikarus> | huh |
| 09:32 | <ikarus> | why does my udev package seem to be missing udevinfo |
| 09:32 | <OdyX> | !tell hatoon about paste |
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| 09:34 | <hatoon> | the point is that the output of this command in text mode and I can not put it here in the channel, you know? |
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| 09:34 | <babilen> | !tell hatoon -about pastebinit |
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| 09:34 | <ml|> | !gpm |
| 09:34 | <dpkg> | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the application itself interprets the mouse clicks. |
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| 09:35 | <babilen> | hatoon: "lspci -nn|grep -i network|pastebinit" |
| 09:35 | <hatoon> | ok |
| 09:35 | <ml|> | another option gpm and for future usage :) |
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| 09:36 | <ml|> | babilen: pastebinit does not work with pastebin.com atm |
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| 09:36 | <babilen> | wtf? it's the worst piece of python code i've seen anyway |
| 09:36 | <ml|> | pastebin.com changed something, seen it? they redesign it a bit |
| 09:37 | <OdyX> | pastebin -b http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:37 | <babilen> | make that "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or? |
| 09:37 | <gsimmons> | ikarus: It is replaced by 'udevadm info'. |
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| 09:39 | <babilen> | hatoon: i'm interested in the PCIID - it's at EOL in [.....] |
| 09:40 | <ml|> | babilen: yes pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net |
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| 09:43 | <hatoon> | Output is in paste.debian.org |
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| 09:43 | <ml|> | well paste or type the url ;) |
| 09:44 | <flo`> | which java should i install? |
| 09:44 | <babilen> | flo`: openjdk |
| 09:44 | <flo`> | iced tea? sun? openjdk? |
| 09:44 | <flo`> | ok |
| 09:45 | <flo`> | what's the dfference between them? |
| 09:45 | <babilen> | flo`: or sun's (if you need the browser plugin) many people complained about icedtea |
| 09:45 | <babilen> | !openjdk |
| 09:45 | <dpkg> | OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
| 09:46 | <babilen> | flo`: I have no idea though if the free plugin is better these days |
| 09:46 | <flo`> | thank you =) |
| 09:46 | <babilen> | flo`: What do you need Java for? |
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| 09:46 | <flo`> | jaolt |
| 09:46 | <flo`> | it's a ebay-manageent tool |
| 09:47 | -!- | mode/#debian [+l 407] by debhelper |
| 09:47 | <hatoon> | put the lspci-nn | grep-i network | pastebin the output was to pastebin the net |
| 09:47 | <hatoon> | put the lspci-nn | grep-i network | pastebin the output was to pastebin |
| 09:47 | <babilen> | flo`: try it with openjdk - it'll probably work |
| 09:47 | <babilen> | hatoon: Give us the URL |
| 09:47 | <babilen> | hatoon: Or the pciid (end of line in [....]) |
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| 09:48 | <hatoon> | http://pastebin.com |
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| 09:49 | <ml|> | hatoon: should do --> "lspci -nn|grep -i network|pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" |
| 09:50 | <ml|> | and then gives the full url |
| 09:50 | <babilen> | hatoon: and give us *the complete* URL |
| 09:50 | <babilen> | ml|: *high five* |
| 09:51 | * | ml| high fives right back |
| 09:51 | <hatoon> | ok |
| 09:51 | <gsimmons> | ml|: Note that Lenny's pastebinit version doesn't know about paste.debian.net. |
| 09:52 | <babilen> | won't it work? |
| 09:52 | <ml|> | gsimmons: ok, did not know that |
| 09:52 | <babilen> | *sigh* |
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| 09:53 | <ml|> | maybe ... http://pastebin.ca/ then? |
| 09:53 | <babilen> | hatoon: Just get us the pciid. You find it in the end of the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network". It's the [abcd:2342] part |
| 09:53 | <ml|> | yeah at this point just type it |
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| 09:53 | <hatoon> | http://paste.debian.net/63194 |
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| 09:54 | <babilen> | ,pciid 168c:001c |
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| 09:54 | <ml|> | it worked :) |
| 09:54 | <ml|> | but judd is gone now hehe |
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| 09:54 | <babilen> | jesus |
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| 09:55 | <gsimmons> | <judd> [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
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| 09:56 | <ml|> | gsimmons: to the rescue :) |
| 09:56 | <themill> | babilen: sorry... timing :) a little maintenance going on. |
| 09:57 | <babilen> | kmuto and gsimmons came to the rescue |
| 09:57 | <babilen> | !ath5k |
| 09:57 | <dpkg> | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>. |
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| 09:57 | <ml|> | hatoon: ^^^^ |
| 09:57 | <babilen> | hatoon: ^^^^ |
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| 09:58 | <hatoon> | wha should I do? |
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| 09:59 | <hatoon> | my kernel 2.6.26 |
| 09:59 | <babilen> | hatoon: install wireless-tools, modprobe ath5k, "dmesg|tail -n 10" --> paste, try to configure your card |
| 09:59 | <babilen> | hatoon: see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 10:00 | <ml|> | hatoon: and wiki page dpkg just showed you |
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| 10:01 | <maxp> | does any have intel 945 chipset with 4GB ? :D |
| 10:02 | <ml|> | maxp: maybe a hardware issue at this point? |
| 10:02 | <babilen> | not supported AFAIR - 3.3GB max |
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| 10:02 | <ml|> | he says his bios shows full 4gb tho |
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| 10:03 | <hatoon> | wireless-tools installed and now what do I do? |
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| 10:03 | <babilen> | quote from thinkwiki: "Due to Intel 945 chipset limitation, addressable memory will be (4GB - I/O space) ~ 3.2GB" |
| 10:03 | <babilen> | hatoon: read |
| 10:03 | <lancelot_of> | latex preview does not work in my emacs, showing just "block icons" near images or formulas. Any hint/help/suggestion? |
| 10:04 | <ml|> | if that is the case then, out of luck; will only see ~ 3.2bg |
| 10:04 | <ml|> | I same issue with my bios ;( |
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| 10:05 | <ml|> | judd: wb |
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| 10:05 | <Pryon> | lancelot_of: does it render normally outside of emacs? |
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| 10:05 | <ml|> | dpkg: wb judd |
| 10:05 | <dpkg> | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! judd has returned! |
| 10:05 | <maxp> | so, I will have to be happy with 3.2GB :/ |
| 10:06 | <ml|> | seems do |
| 10:06 | <ml|> | *so |
| 10:06 | <maxp> | what for toshiba says about max 4GB if man cannot use it ? |
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| 10:06 | <babilen> | maxp: It's the maximum RAM you can put in your notebook - if it is addressable is a completely different story |
| 10:06 | <maxp> | anyway, virtual machine works better :) |
| 10:06 | <babilen> | maxp: Same story here with T60 - don't be sad :) |
| 10:06 | <maxp> | :) |
| 10:07 | <ml|> | yeah you are not the only one |
| 10:07 | <lancelot_of> | Pryon, dunno how to try outside of emacs... |
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| 10:07 | <maxp> | oh, do You use Wine ? |
| 10:07 | <babilen> | lancelot_of: compile the latex source? |
| 10:07 | <babilen> | lancelot_of: with pdflatex for example |
| 10:08 | <lancelot_of> | babilen, pdflatex compiles properly and all is good in the pdf file |
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| 10:08 | <hatoon> | thanks, I'll read and make any doubt speak with you again? |
| 10:09 | <babilen> | lancelot_of: Must be related to your emacs setup then. Contact St. IGNUcious at #emacs @ irc.freenode.net if nobody can help you here. (I can't) |
| 10:09 | <ml|> | hatoon: read try, if you have questions come back and ask the channel |
| 10:09 | <babilen> | lancelot_of: I assume that you have auctex installed and that the problem is with that? |
| 10:09 | <babilen> | hatoon: try the second step i told you about earlier |
| 10:10 | <lancelot_of> | babilen, auctex is installed on my syste, |
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| 10:10 | <lancelot_of> | so i'm going to ask in #emacs on freenode, thanks anyway |
| 10:10 | <hatoon> | ok |
| 10:11 | <babilen> | lancelot_of: Cult of vim here, so not much help. I guess that you miss the proper fonts or that you need to include some auctex incarnations in your .emacs to get it working |
| 10:11 | <babilen> | lancelot_of: good luck |
| 10:12 | <babilen> | s/incarnations/prayers |
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| 10:14 | <babilen> | hatoon: Could you try "modprobe ath5k" and paste the output of "dmesg | tail -n 23" to a pastebin (as practiced before) |
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| 10:15 | <babilen> | hatoon: After you've done that, you'll have to decide how you want to use your wireless adaptor. Id est: Which tool do you want to connect with? I would suggest either wicd/wicd-curses from backports or wpasupplicant's roaming mode |
| 10:16 | <babilen> | hatoon: You can find information about these programs on the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 10:16 | <babilen> | hatoon: Along with the steps needed to configure them |
| 10:16 | <babilen> | hatoon: good luck :) |
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| 10:22 | <suryan> | is there any application that converts the ascii text to unicode text ????? |
| 10:22 | <suryan> | we hav web-based applications for converting the ascii text |
| 10:23 | <suryan> | i jus want to know whether there is any stand-alone application for that ??? |
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| 10:23 | <babilen> | iconv maybe |
| 10:23 | <babilen> | also a online in perl/python/... |
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| 10:24 | <babilen> | s/online/oneliner |
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| 10:24 | <suryan> | the package is iconv ???? |
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| 10:24 | <babilen> | and btw - ascii is valid utf8 |
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| 10:25 | <suryan> | it is enough for me to convert the ascii tect to utf-8 |
| 10:26 | <wolf> | it can be converted automatally to some degree |
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| 10:28 | <suryan> | i have found an web based convertor |
| 10:28 | <suryan> | but unable to find out stand alone appl for conversion |
| 10:28 | <suryan> | it seems iconv is not a fully encoding application for that thing |
| 10:29 | <themill> | suryan: if it's truly ascii text, there is no conversion to be done |
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| 10:30 | <babilen> | suryan: conversion from ASCII to UTF8 is a no-op - no conversion necessary |
| 10:30 | <suryan> | i am unable to render some ascii based text copied from web pages in gedit |
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| 10:30 | <babilen> | suryan: Could you provide an example of that text? |
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| 10:31 | <suryan> | so there is a need to convert the ascii text to unicode so that the editor can render it |
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| 10:31 | <suryan> | e-paper text |
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| 10:31 | <suryan> | copy it into txt editors |
| 10:31 | <suryan> | the text is encrypted |
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| 10:32 | <wolf> | you can try to open it using emacs ? |
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| 10:33 | <babilen> | suryan: It is most likely not ASCII encoded text then. |
| 10:33 | <Guest707> | do you know if there is a way to say 'no' by default when dpkg asks for update a conffile? |
| 10:34 | <suryan> | i mean without the installation of that particular font we can't render it i think so ???? |
| 10:34 | <babilen> | suryan: every font can render ASCII characters |
| 10:35 | <suryan> | the ascii text of web pages can be rendered in our editors iff that font is installed |
| 10:35 | <suryan> | for that can't we convert it into unicode directly and display it ??? |
| 10:35 | * | themill thinks suryan has a different meaning of "ascii" to everyone else here |
| 10:36 | * | babilen too :) |
| 10:36 | <suryan> | then what is the name of the convertor ??? |
| 10:36 | <suryan> | does it exists ??? |
| 10:36 | <babilen> | suryan: ASCII to UTF8 *needs no conversion* |
| 10:37 | <babilen> | suryan: If you are looking for a converter between different encodings (say latin1 to utf8) use iconv |
| 10:37 | <wolf> | it's not necessary at all to convert |
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| 10:38 | <babilen> | suryan: "man iconv" |
| 10:38 | <suryan> | what is the kind of text in the proprietary web pages ????? |
| 10:38 | <babilen> | suryan: And it would be great if you could provide an example of the data you are working with, so we can *really* help you |
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| 10:39 | <suryan> | for ex: http://eenadu.net |
| 10:39 | <suryan> | if you open the site |
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| 10:39 | <suryan> | what is the kind of font that you are goin to look ???? |
| 10:39 | <themill> | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252"/> |
| 10:39 | <themill> | <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"/> |
| 10:40 | <themill> | yay... a mix of encodings on the one page :( |
| 10:40 | <babilen> | \o/ |
| 10:40 | <suryan> | you can properly see the page unless you install the eenadu fonts |
| 10:40 | <babilen> | at least they specify an encoding (unlike wikipedia in their DB structure for example) |
| 10:41 | <babilen> | suryan: That is not ASCII - but (probably) one of the encodings mentioned above windows-1252/ISO-8859-1 (i.e. latin1) |
| 10:41 | <babilen> | or some indian encoding |
| 10:41 | <suryan> | yes this is indian encoding |
| 10:41 | <themill> | that page is full fail... it has 11 <html> tags.... and each one tries to introduce some different section in different encoding including utf-8 and latin-1. |
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| 10:42 | <suryan> | you can't copy the text from the site to scribus for modifying the text ... |
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| 10:42 | <suryan> | tell me how to render the text into scribus ????? |
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| 10:43 | <themill> | suryan: that page doesn't have any text that is in ascii. It's a wonder that any browser manages to render it at all. |
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| 10:44 | <suryan> | you mean that the browser is internally converting the ascii to unicode ??? |
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| 10:44 | <themill> | THERE IS NO ASCII THERE |
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| 10:46 | <suryan> | ok ..... then how can i copy that text into sribus ????? |
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| 10:47 | <suryan> | i am unable to render it in scribus |
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| 10:49 | <suryan> | can i render the text in scribus .... if yes how ????? |
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| 10:50 | <babilen> | suryan: Does your browser render that text correctly? |
| 10:50 | <suryan> | yes |
| 10:50 | <babilen> | amazing |
| 10:50 | <suryan> | i hav installed the appropriate fonts |
| 10:50 | <suryan> | eenadu fonts which are not authenticated |
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| 10:53 | <suryan> | here is the font for viewing tht pagehttp://cid-88702a43d09358f3.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Public/eenadu.xyz |
| 10:53 | <suryan> | rename the font as eenadu.ttf and update the font cache |
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| 10:53 | <suryan> | you will be able to view tha page properly |
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| 10:54 | <Anubis169> | hi all |
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| 10:55 | <Anubis169> | i'm running lenny and i'm having a hard time getting realplayer to install |
| 10:56 | <Anubis169> | it keeps talking about wanting dependancies that're already installed, but it says it can't find them |
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| 10:58 | <suryan> | you got the font of that page ???? |
| 10:58 | <babilen> | no |
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| 10:58 | <babilen> | !tell Anubis169 -about realplayer |
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| 10:59 | <babilen> | Anubis169: Sorry - but that player is not supported in here. |
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| 10:59 | <Anubis169> | ah, fair 'nuff |
| 10:59 | <babilen> | Anubis169: I might take a look at the errors, so paste them to a pastebin |
| 10:59 | <Anubis169> | thanks anyway :) |
| 11:00 | <babilen> | But it's probably due to bad packaging (is the package for Debian? which version?) and i can't help |
| 11:00 | <babilen> | you might be able to play with the contents of the debian/ directory to get it to install |
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| 11:00 | <Anubis169> | i think it's an x86 on x64 thing, but i'm not sure how to go about it |
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| 11:01 | <babilen> | probably not possible - have a look at the alternatives. The factoid dpkg told you about mentions them |
| 11:01 | <babilen> | "not possible" == without knowledge and work :) |
| 11:01 | <budo> | need help on how to get java up and running for java games |
| 11:01 | <Anubis169> | hehehe |
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| 11:02 | <babilen> | Anubis169: You could for example install it in a 32bit chroot - or try your luck with ia32-libs .. |
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| 11:05 | * | Anubis169 blinks |
| 11:05 | <suryan> | hey |
| 11:05 | <Anubis169> | erm.. *confuzzled look* |
| 11:05 | <suryan> | download the font and update your cache |
| 11:05 | <budo> | need assitance. java installed and yet the iceweasel browser not pickin it up |
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| 11:06 | <Anubis169> | babilen: you know how? |
| 11:06 | <ikarus> | budo: what does about:plugins say ? |
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| 11:07 | <babilen> | Anubis169: http://blog.shadypixel.com/realplayer-on-x86_64-amd64-linux/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/534 *might* help |
| 11:08 | <babilen> | Anubis169: I would still consider the alternatives (codecs from debian-multimedia) "/msg dpkg real codecs" and "/msg dpkg dmm" |
| 11:08 | <Anubis169> | i tried that |
| 11:08 | <Anubis169> | i'm trying to play stuff from the OTR archives |
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| 11:08 | <Anubis169> | and it says i need some weird voice codec |
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| 11:08 | <babilen> | *shrug* |
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| 11:09 | <Anubis169> | this is turning out to be more trouble than it's prolly worth, but it's personal now :P |
| 11:09 | <babilen> | hehe :) |
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| 11:09 | <babilen> | and the gstreamer/ffmpeg plugins did not work at all? |
| 11:10 | <babilen> | what about mplayer from debian-multimedia? |
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| 11:14 | <budo> | icedtea-gcjwebplugin is already the newest version. |
| 11:15 | <budo> | ok ill check -ikarus |
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| 11:15 | <budo> | it reads icetea enabled |
| 11:15 | <babilen> | budo: You might also want to try java's browser plugin - I heard some complains about icedtea |
| 11:16 | <babilen> | !tell budo -about java |
| 11:16 | <babilen> | budo: read the wiki page - you'll find the information you need there |
| 11:16 | <budo> | thank you |
| 11:16 | <babilen> | budo: Not sure if that will help with your problem, but it's worth a try if playing these games is important for you |
| 11:17 | <babilen> | budo: I meant SUN's java browser plugin :) |
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| 11:18 | <babilen> | budo: sun-java6-plugin it is |
| 11:18 | <budo> | got it : ) |
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| 11:25 | <ryan_> | im trying to resrict sftp users to there directory, could I do that with just debian's file permissions? |
| 11:25 | <ryan_> | such as removing read from all other users? |
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| 11:25 | <ryan_> | or would that be a bad thing |
| 11:25 | <BlackFate> | ryan_, way bad |
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| 11:26 | <petemc> | ryan_: look at scponly |
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| 11:26 | <ryan_> | was using the make_chroot_jail script but the user cant even login |
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| 11:31 | <ryan_> | but will scponly stop them from seeing the rest of the filesystem? |
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| 11:32 | <ryan_> | nope it didnt |
| 11:32 | <petemc> | ryan_: it can be used with chroot |
| 11:33 | <petemc> | or you can look into rbash |
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| 11:34 | <petemc> | 3http://sublimation.org/scponly/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Chroot_and_Debian |
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| 11:48 | <geckos> | I want to use gnome and icewm.. changing at gdm session option.. (so far so good).. now.. I want to start a program (xmodmap ~/.xmodmap) only when I'm choose icewm.. I read the manual of IceWM but cannot find one script that runs only when IceWM starts.. |
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| 11:49 | <cesurasean> | I need some inspiration. Yuck. |
| 11:49 | <cesurasean> | Anyone else feel like throwing their laptop into the river and switching career paths? |
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| 11:50 | <geckos> | .xsessions can be a candidate.. but I make it work |
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| 11:52 | <grav> | Hello there! I am experiencing the following php-bug: http://bugs.php.net/45553 |
| 11:52 | <grav> | I have upgraded php using apt-get, and my php-version is now PHP 5.2.0-8+etch16 |
| 11:53 | <grav> | Anyone knows if I can upgrade php 5.2 further? As I understand 5.2.0-8 means 5.2 with 8 levels of patches |
| 11:54 | <geckos> | brb |
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| 11:55 | <babilen> | grav: I guess you need to upgrade to lenny |
| 11:55 | <babilen> | ,versions php5 |
| 11:55 | <judd> | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny6; sid: 5.3.1-4; sid: 5.3.1-5; squeeze: 5.3.1-5 |
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| 11:56 | <grav> | Ok, so I have to upgrade whole system to lenny? |
| 11:58 | <grav> | Ok, thanks for the info. I guess I'll have to work around the bug then ... :-/ |
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| 12:02 | <locklace> | grav: or build your own php, it's not exactly rocket science |
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| 12:03 | <geckos> | i'm back |
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| 12:09 | <saad> | hi |
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| 12:41 | <User_007> | hello, i am using Squeeze AMD64. I use radeon driver and after some apt upgrades my when i use glxgears i get just 200fps and i have a big CPU use. |
| 12:43 | <User_007> | by the way, when it works i have low CPU usage and about 800fps |
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| 12:43 | <User_007> | (on glxgears) |
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| 12:45 | <User_007> | when i do glxinfo grep direct, i got direct rendering, and mesa version is the 7.7 (squeeze) |
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| 13:17 | <Shadow193> | Hi |
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| 13:18 | * | MeCooL :) |
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| 13:27 | <d5t_ubuntu> | .part |
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| 14:09 | <thethirdgolem> | hello |
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| 14:11 | <babilen> | welcome |
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| 14:12 | <thethirdgolem> | im a new user of irc |
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| 14:13 | <bja> | !tell thethirdgolem about irc tutorial |
| 14:14 | <thethirdgolem> | ?? |
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| 14:15 | <bja> | Read the link, it will give you hints on what to do and what not to do. Some will be counterintuitive. Generally helpfull |
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| 14:15 | <thethirdgolem> | thnk |
| 14:15 | <bja> | np |
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| 14:22 | <sonofthebong> | does anyone know where i can get a module for the kernel in the debian netinstall cd so that it can recognize my dell proprietary driver ? i boot the cd and choose language and kbd layout then it stops when it its mouting my cd-rom |
| 14:23 | <sonofthebong> | im running a dell inspirion 531 |
| 14:23 | <sonofthebong> | or anyone heard about this ? |
| 14:24 | <locklace> | driver for what |
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| 14:25 | <sonofthebong> | my sata controller on the dell inspiron 531 |
| 14:25 | <sonofthebong> | i can only install using some debian cds that have been backported |
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| 14:26 | <sonofthebong> | but i wanted to use the stock netinstall |
| 14:26 | <sonofthebong> | i looked for it in the debian website found no info about it |
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| 14:26 | <sonofthebong> | in google there are tons of topics about this problem on this machine |
| 14:26 | <jcole> | sonofthebong: you might need to apt-get source the debian installer and include it in the build |
| 14:26 | <sonofthebong> | no solution other than the backported cds |
| 14:26 | <locklace> | try a backport installer image, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 14:27 | <sonofthebong> | i allreday used the backport installer i wanted to see if there is a way to use the default netinstall cd |
| 14:27 | <sonofthebong> | already* |
| 14:27 | <locklace> | did the backport image work? |
| 14:27 | <sonofthebong> | yeah |
| 14:27 | <locklace> | so what's the problem? |
| 14:27 | <locklace> | the backport image has a much newer kernel than the current stable installer image |
| 14:28 | <sonofthebong> | humm , i just wanted to know/find another solution if possible to this but if this is all there is no problem |
| 14:28 | <locklace> | it exists to solve exactly this kind of problem |
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| 14:29 | <locklace> | sonofthebong: maybe you are confused about what the backport installer image is. it will still install exactly the same version of debian as the normal installer; it's just that the installer itself will be smarter about being able to detect your hardware in order to get you bootstrapped |
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| 14:29 | <mjbizi> | helo |
| 14:29 | <sonofthebong> | ooo nice ! |
| 14:29 | <jcole> | sonofthebong: like locklace said... it doesnt matter which netinst .iso you use, you can always install the kernel of your liking afterwards |
| 14:30 | <sonofthebong> | i tought the backport installer had differences between the default installer |
| 14:30 | <mjbizi> | I would ask you for help |
| 14:30 | <sonofthebong> | sorry for the english folks im from brasil |
| 14:31 | <sonofthebong> | thanks for clearing this up for me ! |
| 14:31 | <mjbizi> | php -v returns php: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 14:31 | <locklace> | !tell mjbizi about how to ask |
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| 14:34 | <mjbizi> | ok |
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| 15:01 | <deubeuliou> | hi. I once saw debian wine bottles sold somewhere, but I can't find them anymore. Do you know if someone still sells them ? |
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| 15:04 | <SeCt> | You will have to search for the beaujolais nouveau 2008 |
| 15:05 | <SeCt> | They changed the logo inside out though |
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| 15:05 | <deubeuliou> | SeCt: ok, thanks |
| 15:06 | <SeCt> | Youre welcome |
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| 15:07 | <deubeuliou> | ah, you are speaking of the bottle with the modified debian logo ? I was speaking about this bottle: http://www.insidesocal.com/click/debian-wine.png |
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| 15:09 | <SeCt> | deubeuliou: Ok cool. Didnt know there was a debian wine.. |
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| 15:09 | <deubeuliou> | ok |
| 15:09 | <sney> | open source wine |
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| 15:13 | <deubeuliou> | found it: http://www.cafe-libertad.de/shop/essen-trinken/wein-rum/debian-wein.html :) |
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| 15:15 | <sney> | cheap stuff |
| 15:16 | <deubeuliou> | probably, yes. but still it's fun as a gift |
| 15:16 | <sney> | I mean it doesn't cost much. but a lot of the pricetag on wine is just prestige tax, so it might be perfectly fine tasting |
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| 15:17 | <Isabella> | hola |
| 15:17 | <sney> | hi |
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| 15:34 | <Phoenix_the_II> | If any could help me in iptables + ip ruiles ? |
| 15:34 | <Phoenix_the_II> | http://paste.debian.net/63243/ |
| 15:34 | <Phoenix_the_II> | what i try here is to make an certain ip range forced over the connection 'xs4all' |
| 15:34 | <Phoenix_the_II> | yet while the packages do go out on the xs4all connection, and i do receiver replies, the original PC which issued the request will never receive any data |
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| 15:34 | <Phoenix_the_II> | -_- |
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| 15:35 | <rleigh_> | i folks. I'm trying to set up a dual screen display with X. My config is at http://paste.debian.net/63245/ It's giving me an apparently cloned display until I run 'xrandr --output DVI-0 --left-of DVI-1'. |
| 15:35 | <althaser> | what do you use to manager your sound devices ? |
| 15:36 | <rleigh_> | I'm unsure what I'm missing in xorg.conf to to this by default. Any ideas? |
| 15:37 | <rleigh_> | Phoenix_the_II: Can't what you want just be done with 'ip route'? Do you really need iptables for this? |
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| 15:37 | <Phoenix_the_II> | rleigh_, once i get this working. I rather do this port/protocol based |
| 15:38 | <Phoenix_the_II> | and i done this once before. in debian etch |
| 15:38 | <Phoenix_the_II> | but it seems the old ways don't quite work anymore ;( |
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| 15:39 | <irene_lawapa> | ola |
| 15:40 | <jcole> | rleigh_: first off you have Screen0 and Screen1 ... you only want a Screen0 if a "shared" dual display |
| 15:40 | <jcole> | rleigh_: s/want a/want only |
| 15:41 | <rleigh_> | jcole: If I omit screen1, how do I specify that screen0 has two displays? I've put a Virtual resolution in the display section, but I'm not sure how to tell it to use both monitors there. |
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| 15:42 | <rleigh_> | AFAICT there's only one display allowed per screen (according to the docs) |
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| 15:49 | <jcole> | rleigh_: i found this on ubuntu wiki -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Multihead#line-27 |
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| 15:50 | <jcole> | rleigh_: no "Monitor" definitions in "Screen" |
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| 15:52 | <rleigh_> | jcole: Thanks! Examples do seem to be quite thin on the ground for the very latest xrandr stuff. |
| 15:52 | <rleigh_> | I'll give this a try soon. |
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| 15:54 | <jcole> | rleigh_: no problem.. a nice feature would be for xrandr to create an xorg file using the current display settings |
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| 15:55 | <rleigh_> | That would be awesome if it were possible! I used X -configure, but it doesn't do the best job. |
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| 15:57 | <jcole> | rleigh_: when using the nvidia control gui, it will create both an xorg file and a user specific ~/.nvidiarc file (which configures the display before your desktop environment) based on your current display settings... i dont see why xrandr couldn't do the same |
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| 16:12 | <ElWaPeRaS> | ola |
| 16:12 | <ElWaPeRaS> | hola |
| 16:12 | <ElWaPeRaS> | hay alguien? |
| 16:12 | <koollman> | !es |
| 16:12 | <dpkg> | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 16:12 | <ElWaPeRaS> | hola |
| 16:13 | <ElWaPeRaS> | no hablais mucho? |
| 16:13 | <ElWaPeRaS> | ¿? |
| 16:13 | <locklace> | !es-social ElWaPeRaS |
| 16:13 | <dpkg> | ElWaPeRaS: Este no es un canal social, este es un canal de soporte tecnico en Ingles, si necesitas soporte para Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 16:13 | <ElWaPeRaS> | jooooooo |
| 16:14 | <ElWaPeRaS> | no me hecheis |
| 16:14 | <ElWaPeRaS> | xDDDDDDD |
| 16:14 | <ElWaPeRaS> | decid algo!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 16:20 | <michi7x7> | hi all |
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| 16:20 | <michi7x7> | i'd like to use dmraid on debian testing |
| 16:20 | <SecT> | Hello |
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| 16:20 | <michi7x7> | now i ran into grub-problems (as expected) |
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| 16:21 | <michi7x7> | using grub-legacy would be enough for the moment, but how can i use it? |
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| 16:22 | <michi7x7> | seems like grub-common is only working with grub-pc |
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| 16:22 | <michi7x7> | (read error on stage1) |
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| 16:24 | <michi7x7> | noone any ideas? |
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| 16:27 | <ElWaPeRaS> | olaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:27 | <garcrack> | holaaaa "el waperas" |
| 16:27 | <ElWaPeRaS> | k tl<' |
| 16:27 | <ElWaPeRaS> | ?¿ |
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| 16:27 | <SecT> | Michi7x7: Sorry i have no idea |
| 16:27 | <garcrack> | bn y tu carabellota? |
| 16:27 | <kop> | !br |
| 16:27 | <dpkg> | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:27 | <ElWaPeRaS> | no hablo contigoo Sect |
| 16:27 | <noflash> | ElWaPeRaS, please english only here |
| 16:28 | <ElWaPeRaS> | por que? |
| 16:28 | <noflash> | #debian-br |
| 16:28 | <garcrack> | es tonto eto jajajajajajajja |
| 16:28 | <ElWaPeRaS> | br |
| 16:28 | <ElWaPeRaS> | ja |
| 16:28 | <garcrack> | ja |
| 16:28 | <ElWaPeRaS> | ja |
| 16:28 | <garcrack> | ja |
| 16:28 | -!- | mode/#debian [+b *!*Xxpochola@*.Red-88-0-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] by Ganneff |
| 16:28 | <noflash> | go there |
| 16:28 | -!- | mode/#debian [+b *!*zx942@*.Red-88-0-217.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] by Ganneff |
| 16:28 | <michi7x7> | SecT, i know how to get it working using Grub-Legacy |
| 16:28 | <michi7x7> | did it more than once |
| 16:28 | <kop> | ElWaPeRaS: Because this is debian support for english speakers and there another channel for portugues. |
| 16:29 | <michi7x7> | the only problem is the depency between grub-legacy and grub-common |
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| 16:29 | <kop> | Are there any applications that put a keyboard on the screen so I can detect if all the keys on my keyboard work? |
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| 16:30 | <SecT> | And Grub 2? |
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| 16:30 | <michi7x7> | SecT, Grub 2 has no dmraid-support |
| 16:31 | <dkr> | kop: you could use xev it's just text, but it displays the details of each keypress |
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| 16:31 | <kop> | dkr: Thanks. I'll check it out. (I'm also looking at keytouch....) |
| 16:32 | <michi7x7> | kop, there are a view x-tools, which can display keyboard-events |
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| 16:32 | <michi7x7> | but xev should to it |
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| 16:34 | <michi7x7> | i'll try lilo instead of grub... |
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| 16:38 | <kop> | Well, that sorta worked. By the time I got to printscreen/sysreq something funky happened and I had to kill the xterm. But it seems ok. |
| 16:39 | <michi7x7> | !de |
| 16:39 | <dpkg> | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:40 | <SecT> | Good luck Michi |
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| 16:40 | <michi7x7> | i don't think they know... |
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| 16:41 | <SecT> | I dont know much about raid. Never used it. |
| 16:42 | <michi7x7> | i know quite much, and i ran into problems with every distro till now |
| 16:42 | <michi7x7> | except gentoo O_o |
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| 16:43 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: what's the problem? |
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| 16:43 | <michi7x7> | grub and dmraid |
| 16:43 | <bja> | dondelelcaro: went to .de he is beeing tended to there |
| 16:43 | <dondelelcaro> | cool |
| 16:44 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: what about it? you just use a raid1 boot device, and you're done. |
| 16:44 | <michi7x7> | bja, i still enjoy talking english |
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| 16:44 | <michi7x7> | my boot-device is raid0, my home is raid1 |
| 16:44 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: so your boot device needs to be raid1 |
| 16:45 | <michi7x7> | hm? |
| 16:45 | <michi7x7> | bad idea, i like speed |
| 16:45 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: uh... /boot is only read once, and never used again |
| 16:45 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: there's no point in having it raid0 |
| 16:45 | <kop> | michi7x7: Boot loaders don't do raid. |
| 16:46 | <michi7x7> | yes, but grub fails binding the linux devices to bios devices |
| 16:46 | <michi7x7> | just tell me step to step what to do, and i'll try |
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| 16:46 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: no, it doesn't. It works perfectly fine if /boot is a raid1 device |
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| 16:47 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: you either have a separate /boot which isn't raided, or you have a /boot which is raid1; either way works |
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| 16:47 | <michi7x7> | so you just don't use the raid as raid |
| 16:48 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: as far as the bootloader is concerned, it doesn't see the raid |
| 16:48 | <michi7x7> | which works (of course) since its read only |
| 16:48 | <ikarus> | Linux raid partitions just have a special block near the end |
| 16:48 | <michi7x7> | but thats not the problem |
| 16:48 | <michi7x7> | grub could load the stages from the raid |
| 16:48 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: but it works perfectly well when you put new kernels on it and change the menu.lst, for example |
| 16:48 | <michi7x7> | it simply fails getting the root-device for linux |
| 16:48 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: it can load the stages, but it won't be able to load the kernel |
| 16:49 | * | ikarus still has the occaisional fight with grub.... |
| 16:49 | <dondelelcaro> | michi7x7: grub has nothing to do with the root device once it has loaded the kernel |
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| 16:49 | <michi7x7> | hmm yes |
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| 16:50 | <michi7x7> | it's possible to use raid0 with grub-legacy (grub1) |
| 16:50 | <michi7x7> | i've done it more than once |
| 16:50 | <dondelelcaro> | only if your slice size is large enough |
| 16:50 | <dondelelcaro> | and that's a crapshoot; it may suddenly stop working |
| 16:50 | <kop> | michi7x7: Or your kernel is small enough. You got lucky. |
| 16:50 | <michi7x7> | 3mb, and not on the first partition |
| 16:51 | <dondelelcaro> | doesn't matter what partition its on |
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| 16:51 | <michi7x7> | never mind, it worked with grub1 |
| 16:51 | <michi7x7> | every time till now |
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| 16:51 | <dondelelcaro> | *shrug* |
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| 16:51 | * | dondelelcaro has only done this kind of setup a few hundred times |
| 16:51 | <michi7x7> | since i don't have any idea of those files debian installs into /boot/grub/ |
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| 17:03 | <jiohdi> | my system is randomly locking up.. what log would I view to see what caused the crash? |
| 17:04 | <kop> | jiohdi: The console itself by preference. |
| 17:05 | <michi7x7> | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 17:05 | <michi7x7> | i love it... |
| 17:05 | <bja> | Else look into /var/log and take your pick. then go one with the next one |
| 17:08 | <jiohdi> | kop, I dont understand what you mean |
| 17:09 | <SecT> | Does anybody know how to view the current cpu temp in Lenny? |
| 17:09 | <bja> | acpi -V |
| 17:10 | <bja> | grep Thermal if you only need the temp |
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| 17:11 | <SecT> | Works like a charm. Thanx Bja |
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| 17:12 | <bja> | np |
| 17:12 | <SecT> | 55 degrees celcius |
| 17:12 | <bja> | Running a little hot for my taste, |
| 17:12 | <SecT> | How can i cool it down |
| 17:13 | <bja> | Checking that vents aren't blocked and also that there isn't too much dust inside the casing |
| 17:14 | <SecT> | Well im sporting a Toshiba Satellite L300. Dual core T6400. Its quite new. |
| 17:14 | <SecT> | Maybe i can edit a config file? |
| 17:15 | <bja> | Any multithreaded programms running which are encrypting or decrypting large amount of data? |
| 17:15 | <bja> | SecT: powertop can help you find little power hugs |
| 17:15 | <bja> | powerhogs |
| 17:15 | <SecT> | No just xchat, a terminal and epiphany |
| 17:16 | <bja> | While the battery is charging, sometimes the temp goes up |
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| 17:16 | <bja> | running top can give you a clue of something you might be running on the background |
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| 17:17 | <SecT> | wow never used this utility |
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| 17:19 | <supaman> | hey, I am trying out a bit of kernel helping (as in the kernel tree itself) and trying to use the command git send-email (as per instructions from Greg Kroah-Hartman) but all I get is "git: 'send-email' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'." but git-send-email is mentioned in the man page (and that gives me command not found) |
| 17:19 | <SecT> | So i can actually follow the suggestions made by the application? |
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| 17:20 | <supaman> | is there something special about the debian version of git? |
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| 17:20 | <jiohdi> | is there a live debian version floating about? |
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| 17:22 | <supaman> | jiohdi: http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
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| 17:26 | <bayar> | hello all |
| 17:26 | <bayar> | how to block urls without proxy |
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| 17:27 | <bja> | bayar: if you know the ip, iptables can help you |
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| 17:28 | <bayar> | bja there is many sites using dns roundrobin |
| 17:28 | <bayar> | and |
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| 17:29 | <bayar> | i used iptables to block keywords |
| 17:30 | <mjbizi> | ned file libssl.so.0.9.8 64 bit |
| 17:31 | <bayar> | the problem : iptables dont block only the site exemple.com but all other sites where in there pages a link (<a href) to exemple.com |
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| 17:36 | <judd> | It's OK! I'm back. Stop worrying about me. |
| 17:36 | <bja> | ,wb |
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| 17:37 | <kop> | bayar: Do you want something like squid or dansguardian? |
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| 17:38 | <kop> | bayar: Proxies can be transparent. |
| 17:39 | <bayar> | dansguardian is a rpoxy? |
| 17:39 | <bayar> | a proxy? |
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| 17:45 | <bayar> | dansguardian work only with proxys ? |
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| 17:47 | <bja> | I need to convert an hex ip to standard format, can someone give me a search key for google |
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| 17:47 | <bayar> | bja you can use a calculator |
| 17:48 | <bayar> | hex >> dec |
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| 17:48 | <bja> | byar thx, non available at the moment |
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| 17:49 | <bayar> | gnome-calculator |
| 17:50 | <rjent> | On a leased system how do I tell what architecture it is running? |
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| 17:52 | <bayar> | uname -a ? |
| 17:52 | <sney> | he left but it's uname -m really |
| 17:52 | <quinque> | @bja: try sipcalc .. has prety much everything |
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| 17:55 | <bja> | quinque: thx allready solved the problem :) |
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| 17:59 | <bja> | bayar: if you want to block a site, you will need a proxy, specially if they do round robin dns. The alternative solution is far too complex |
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| 18:00 | <bayar> | bja. i can't use proxys |
| 18:01 | <bayar> | so i need an alternative solution |
| 18:02 | <bja> | bayar: If you can use iptables, you can use a proxy :) |
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| 18:02 | <sney> | transparent squid proxy, nobody will know it's there |
| 18:02 | <sney> | they can do image caching as well to save on bw |
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| 18:04 | <bayar> | sney bja . i cant use a proxy becaus i 'am using a load balancer |
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| 18:05 | <bayar> | the loadbalancer will not be able to view the source of the connexions |
| 18:06 | <bayar> | the source will be the proxy |
| 18:06 | <bayar> | and will forward all the trafic in the same way |
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| 18:06 | <bja> | You can have multiple proxies, the same way you are using iptables now |
| 18:07 | <sney> | and this is why it's good to plan in advance when you're designing a network. |
| 18:08 | <bja> | Master sney, You've spoken with truth. We your padewans bow to your Infinte knowledge. |
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| 18:09 | <sney> | :P |
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| 18:13 | <koollman> | bayar: are you sure that with the same source and a different destination, the loadbalancer won't balance connections ? |
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| 18:21 | <bayar> | koollman yes |
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| 18:25 | <bayar> | koollman i cant do that with bind |
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| 18:26 | <bayar> | to redirecte www.exemple.com to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:34 | <bja> | bayar: look where your point of failure is. Where all your traffic reaches/leaves your network. Those are the places to put the proxys |
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| 18:36 | <sprink> | I can't find out for the life of me, how to get dpkg to reinstall config files for a package |
| 18:36 | <sprink> | reinstalling the package doesn't work |
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| 18:43 | <Nemoder> | sprink: try purging the package then reinstalling |
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| 19:20 | <twb> | Why does sudo-ldap need its own package? Why can't ldap go via pam, like everything else? |
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| 19:22 | <abrotman> | you want ldap to authenticate against pam ? |
| 19:22 | <twb> | *via* pam |
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| 19:22 | <twb> | i.e. libpam_ldap |
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| 19:22 | <twb> | You know, the same way that login(8) uses ldap. |
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| 19:25 | <abrotman> | right .. you want ldap to use pam for its password checking .. |
| 19:25 | <abrotman> | or you want it to use whatever pam backend you've chosen? |
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| 19:25 | <twb> | I'm asking why there's a *separate* package sudo-ldap |
| 19:26 | <abrotman> | because not everyone uses sudo ? |
| 19:26 | <twb> | Huh? |
| 19:26 | <twb> | Obviously if you didn't want sudo, you wouldn't install sudo *or* sudo-ldap. |
| 19:27 | <astronut> | twb: because sometimes sudo privlidges aren't stored in /etc/sudoers |
| 19:27 | <twb> | astronut: ah, that makes more sense. |
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| 19:27 | <twb> | So sudo-ldap is a way to distribute the sudoers file via LDAP rather than a flat file. |
| 19:28 | <astronut> | well, sudo privlidges not the file itself, but yes, i would assume so |
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| 19:28 | <abrotman> | twb: doesn't it have a fancy description? :) |
| 19:28 | <twb> | abrotman: it doesn't. |
| 19:28 | <astronut> | http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/readme_ldap.html << first google result |
| 19:29 | <astronut> | it's the result of ./configure --with-ldap for sudo |
| 19:29 | <abrotman> | twb: okay .. so that version has ldap support, so what astronut said makes sense. I personally haven't seen sudo privs in LDAP, but i have seen tons of other things stored in ldap, so why not?! :) |
| 19:30 | <twb> | abrotman: because if the only point was to bypass pam, that would be stupid. |
| 19:30 | <astronut> | well, if you have 50,000 computers on a network, do you really want to have to manage 50K sudoers? |
| 19:30 | <twb> | Sigh. |
| 19:30 | <abrotman> | astronut: NIS+!!! |
| 19:31 | <astronut> | !slap abrotman |
| 19:31 | * | dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across abrotman's face |
| 19:31 | <astronut> | oh, NIS+... oh well |
| 19:31 | <astronut> | anyway, kerberos+ldap ftw |
| 19:32 | <SecT_> | O my goodness |
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| 19:37 | <sprink> | so after purging apache, and reinstalling the apache2 package |
| 19:37 | <twb> | Sun dropped NIS+ |
| 19:37 | <sprink> | I still don't have anything in /etc/apache2 |
| 19:37 | <abrotman> | sprink: wrong package .. apache2.2-common |
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| 19:39 | <sprink> | abrotman: thank you |
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| 19:49 | <pwork> | Hello, to get mumble 1.2 (requires glibc 2.10) working on a lenny host, I just installed a sid chroot : the /home is shared with the chroot, so that the .bashrc is shared too. I'd like to get a different .bashrc profile for the chrooted sid, how can I do this please ? |
| 19:50 | <pwork> | I use schroot -c sid -p someSidApp through scripts on the host in fact |
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| 19:50 | <koollman> | pwork: something like 'if [ -e /this/is/only/inside/chroot] then ; ...' ? |
| 19:51 | <pwork> | koollman, thanks for the idea, but since /home is shared with the chroot, I can't know that way if I'm in the chroot or not |
| 19:51 | <koollman> | or grepping the content of /etc/debian-_version ... |
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| 19:52 | <pwork> | koollman, yeah, this is good |
| 19:52 | <koollman> | pwork: home is shared, but / isn't. (else it wouldn't be a chroot, right ? :) ) |
| 19:52 | <koollman> | inside the chroot, just touch /thisismychroot, and test for it |
| 19:52 | <pwork> | I wonder if there's a smart way to do this in fact. I don't really want to hack or tweak the OS |
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| 19:52 | <twb> | abrotman, astronut: fyi #573108 |
| 19:53 | <abrotman> | !dbugs 573108 |
| 19:53 | <dpkg> | #573108:W[sudo-ldap] Clarify what "ldap support" means. (); Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:39:02 UTC [] |
| 19:54 | <pwork> | The problem that occurs is that in the host, I created a 'mumble' sh script, in the PATH, but in the chroot, I don't want 'mumble' to be interpreted as this script, but as the /usr/bin/mumble installed in the chroot |
| 19:54 | <pwork> | Just tell if not clear :) |
| 19:54 | <koollman> | simple enough |
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| 19:55 | <koollman> | pwork: I would test in the script you created, not in .bashrc |
| 19:56 | <koollman> | (and I assume that script is in /home, else there would be no confusion anyway) |
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| 19:57 | <pwork> | Yeah, this script in in the /home, and referenced in the PATH variable through the .bashrc |
| 19:58 | <koollman> | inside the script, look for /usr/bin/mumble, if it's there, exec it, else chroot |
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| 20:00 | <pwork> | koollman, man schroot :) This can be tweaked in schroot.conf |
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| 20:07 | <ryan_> | hello im wanting to do a remote debian install |
| 20:07 | <ryan_> | do I have to use the swap space like most guides want me to or can i use a empty partition |
| 20:09 | <petemc> | ryan_: empty partition should be fine, the install guide covers this |
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| 20:12 | <pwork> | koollman, thanks for help :) Did the /imInTheChroot solution, and it works fine ;) |
| 20:12 | <pwork> | Bye bye, time for a good ZZzz |
| 20:12 | <ryan_> | hehe this should be fun |
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| 20:41 | <parallelday> | hi |
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| 20:48 | <parallelday> | So, can anyone tell me whether in general Testing or Unstable is better for a the desktop? Supposidly Testing is more stable, but it can also take longer for critical bugs to get fixed. |
| 20:48 | <parallelday> | That might be put into Unstable right away. |
| 20:48 | <bremner> | parallelday: if you have to ask, you shouldn't use unstable |
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| 20:50 | <EmleyMoor> | I've got a .iso that when I put it to a DVD, has a different md5sum - tried with more than one DVD |
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| 20:50 | <bremner> | parallelday: or in a more friendly manner, with unstable, aptitude upgrade can trash your system |
| 20:50 | <parallelday> | @bremner: does that include Sidux as well? or is Sidux a good bit more stable than unstable? |
| 20:50 | <abrotman> | sidux is not debian, ask them |
| 20:50 | <parallelday> | true, but it's based on unstable and updated quarterly. |
| 20:51 | <abrotman> | sidux is not debian, ask them |
| 20:51 | <icebrain> | parallelday: #sidux at oftc |
| 20:52 | <bremner> | does it matter what file system I use on a small usb key? It has a luks volume, so basically it will only be mounted on linux. |
| 20:52 | <abrotman> | bremner: the argument against journaled filesystems has been made .. ultimately up to you |
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| 20:52 | <abrotman> | simonrvn: your bot is lost ... |
| 20:53 | <parallelday> | Well anyway, would it be accurate to say that Debian (lets say Testing) suffers from less instances of dependency hell than Ubuntu when manually installing packages and having to fetch the dependencies from the repos before hand? |
| 20:53 | <abrotman> | parallelday: most of us don't use ubuntu |
| 20:53 | <bremner> | why are you manually install packages? |
| 20:53 | <parallelday> | occasionally there are packages that aren't in the repos. |
| 20:53 | <abrotman> | parallelday: packages should almost always be in installable |
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| 20:54 | <bremner> | I don't think it will make much difference what distro you use, 3rd party packages are problematic |
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| 20:56 | <bremner> | so any reason not to use fat32? is it fragile? |
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| 20:57 | <abrotman> | bremner: it's a crappy filesystem? :) |
| 20:58 | <parallelday> | I thought the only advantage NTFS had over FAT32 was that it was more secure. But that FAT32 is still the superior FS as far as speed is concerned. |
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| 20:59 | <bremner> | well, I don't care about speed, just reliability. I supposed ext2 is probably the winner |
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| 21:00 | <parallelday> | I haven't heard of too many people having problems with Ext4 despite all of the commotion surrounding it. |
| 21:00 | <parallelday> | What's ext2 have that 3 doesn't? |
| 21:00 | <abrotman> | it's not journaled |
| 21:00 | <abrotman> | and lots of people have been having ext4 issues |
| 21:00 | <parallelday> | Why would you want an FS that's not journaled? |
| 21:01 | <abrotman> | flash has a limited number of writes during its lifetime .. right? |
| 21:01 | <EmleyMoor> | On a USB key, you don't want a journal - you will wear it out |
| 21:01 | <mrcoolhead> | abrotman: What issues have they beed having with ext4? |
| 21:01 | <abrotman> | mrcoolhead: i've heard various things |
| 21:01 | <parallelday> | @mrcoolhead: people loosing data from power outages |
| 21:02 | <abrotman> | mrcoolhead: you'd do better to look over LKML stuff or kerneltrap stuff |
| 21:02 | <mrcoolhead> | abrotman: Any first hand experience? |
| 21:02 | <abrotman> | mrcoolhead: no, i like my data |
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| 21:03 | <parallelday> | From what I've read (don't have the article handy) Ext4's problem with data loss isn't due to an error in the FS it's self. It's that applications don't take advantage of how it's managed differently from Ext3. |
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| 21:03 | <bremner> | I seem to recall Theodore Tso blogging on this topic. |
| 21:03 | <mrcoolhead> | I have been using ext4 on some machines with no problem. |
| 21:04 | <parallelday> | Or, Ext3 had some sort of "bug" that apps took advantage of that's not in Ext4. So, Ext4 is supposted to adhere more closely to POSIX standards than Ext3. |
| 21:04 | <abrotman> | mrcoolhead: good for you! |
| 21:04 | <parallelday> | And I think that most of the problems (maybe all of them) were fixed with patches that were released over a year ago. |
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| 21:06 | <mrcoolhead> | abrotman: I will check out LKML |
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| 21:07 | * | EmleyMoor has something weird going on with his DVD drives |
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| 21:23 | <bja> | !qotd0 |
| 21:23 | <dpkg> | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 21:25 | <parallelday> | ? |
| 21:27 | <twb> | "the ext4 data loss problem" is that ext4's default cache time is reasonable, whereas ext3's default cache time is tiny. |
| 21:28 | <twb> | So if you have an outage (i.e. no UPS), you have a bigger window of data that isn't flushed to disk. |
| 21:28 | <parallelday> | Yeah, that's basically it in a nutshell. |
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| 21:28 | <twb> | e.g. you lose the last five minutes of work instead of the last five seconds. |
| 21:28 | <parallelday> | With HDD's it's not so bad. But with flash memory...ugh |
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| 21:29 | <parallelday> | But, if you have flash memory I don't think your going to be keeping things that change a lot on your flash memory partition either, at least at this point where it's so expensive. |
| 21:29 | <abrotman> | bremner: you may also want noatime |
| 21:29 | <twb> | parallelday: um, with SSDs (i.e. MTD with hardware FTL) it's a good idea for the time to be larger, because it reduces the number of erases. |
| 21:29 | <bremner> | ah good point. |
| 21:30 | <twb> | You won't lose any more during an outage with SSD than an HDD. |
| 21:30 | <parallelday> | I was referring to the much lower write limit on SDD's than HDD's. |
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| 21:31 | <twb> | parallelday: please demonstrate that this remains an issue for current-generation SSDs, with a hardware FTL, and assuming a lifetime of three or five years. |
| 21:32 | <parallelday> | I thought SSD's lasted about a year of heavy desktop use if you used it as your primary HD partition. |
| 21:32 | <parallelday> | 100,000 to 1,000,000 writes I've heard. |
| 21:32 | <astronut> | much higher now |
| 21:32 | <twb> | I'm not interested in hearsay, I'm interested in empirical evidence. |
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| 21:32 | <parallelday> | Then my information must be outdated. |
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| 21:34 | <astronut> | The drive will have a minimum of 5 years of useful life under typical client workloads |
| 21:34 | <astronut> | with up to 20 GB of host writes per day. |
| 21:34 | <astronut> | http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/mainstream/mainstream-sata-ssd-datasheet.pdf |
| 21:34 | <astronut> | datasheet for intel SSDs |
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| 21:35 | <Guest154> | does anyone know where one can as knoppix questions nowadays |
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| 21:35 | <parallelday> | Well, maybe I'm thinking of the crappier non-Intel ones. Because I've heard that some of the other ones have crappier JMicron controllers. |
| 21:35 | <Guest154> | the old channel seems to be defunct now |
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| 21:36 | <abrotman> | Guest154: it's not here |
| 21:36 | <abrotman> | Guest154: maybe try ##linux on irc.freenode.net .. |
| 21:36 | <twb> | Guest154: or you could migrate to Debian Live |
| 21:36 | <bremner> | meh, is there some alternative to http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/index.php |
| 21:36 | <Guest154> | well it is a debian derivative so this is the closest I could find |
| 21:37 | <abrotman> | Guest154: maybe try ##linux on irc.freenode.net .. |
| 21:37 | <Guest154> | that is for general linux questions, not problems with knoppix 6.2 |
| 21:37 | <astronut> | parallelday: the 1e6 writes was about 2-3 years ago, even modern jmicron ones can do much more than that |
| 21:37 | <bja> | !tell Guest154 about knoppix |
| 21:37 | <abrotman> | this channel is definitely not for knoppix |
| 21:37 | <Guest154> | there must be something closer than that |
| 21:37 | <twb> | astronut: do the intel units support TRIM? |
| 21:37 | <astronut> | twb: yes |
| 21:38 | <astronut> | jmicron ones just have shitty performance |
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| 21:38 | <twb> | Running .33 from experimental with btrfs -o ssd, do I need to do anything else to get my kernel to issue TRIMs? |
| 21:38 | <EmleyMoor> | My DVD RW drive can't read the whole disc any more, it seems |
| 21:38 | <astronut> | twb: i think so anyway |
| 21:39 | <abrotman> | EmleyMoor: it just stops? does the laser get stuck? bad disc ? |
| 21:39 | <astronut> | http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/intel-ssd-firmware-02hd-brings-back-trim-support-sans-bugs/ implies so |
| 21:39 | <icebrain> | Guest154: try the forum... |
| 21:39 | <EmleyMoor> | abrotman: No, it ends prematurely. Has done it with multiple discs after same amount |
| 21:40 | <Guest154> | I have tried freenode and here, do you suppose there could be a knoppix channel elsewhere, ##linux I assume was a joke |
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| 21:40 | <abrotman> | EmleyMoor: sounds like a hardware issue/dying drive |
| 21:40 | <abrotman> | Guest154: on irc.freenode.net .. try ##linux .. stop being a pain |
| 21:40 | <icebrain> | Guest154: there's a topic in the forum about irc.knoppix.net/#knoppix |
| 21:40 | <Guest154> | what hostility |
| 21:40 | <twb> | astronut: another thing I've wondered is how hard it'd be to bypass the FTL, for espionage or data recovery purposes. |
| 21:40 | <parallelday> | When the netinstall CD fetches packages from the Internet. Do you have to manually apt-get the packages? Or does it provide a template where it asks you if your using say a desktop or server, Gnome or Kde, etc? |
| 21:41 | <abrotman> | icebrain: no such host |
| 21:41 | <abrotman> | parallelday: the latter, though many skip that and do it manually after the install has finished |
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| 21:41 | <icebrain> | abrotman: yeah, it seems it's dead too |
| 21:41 | <astronut> | twb: firmware update |
| 21:41 | <astronut> | possibly undocumented interface or through JTAG |
| 21:41 | <twb> | Cool. |
| 21:44 | <Guest154> | I came here to report a dpkg problem, but had just found that the #knoppix channel at freenode is now defunct and thought someone here might know where to address knoppix questions now |
| 21:44 | <abrotman> | you've been told numerous times |
| 21:44 | <Guest154> | but the hostility makes me not even want to mention what I came here for |
| 21:45 | <ricairon> | could anyone help in this problem? my eclipe shows this error ..http://www.4shared.com/file/237253741/3082d379/Captura_da_tela.html |
| 21:45 | <parallelday> | Knoppix's website doesn't give the currently functioning Knoppix channel? |
| 21:45 | <kop> | Guest154: If it's a knoppix problem we don't want to know. If you can reproduce it on Debian, then fine tell us. |
| 21:45 | <bremner> | does this USB key fail look familiar: http://paste.debian.net/63272 |
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| 21:45 | <abrotman> | bremner: uname -r ? |
| 21:46 | <bremner> | 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 21:46 | <parallelday> | If it doesn't, than I'd assume that there isn't one. The Knoppix webpage would probably be more up to date with this than a Debian IRC channel. |
| 21:46 | <abrotman> | Knoppix is offtopic here. Please discuss this somewhere else |
| 21:46 | <Guest154> | I use debian I have friends I try to help who use knoppix. goodbye |
| 21:46 | <bja> | Guest154: Take a look around, how many differences are in Debian based distros. Don't expect this channel to know all the differences. Hope you solve your problem and find a solution fast |
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| 21:47 | <Guest154> | I only asked it there was a channel |
| 21:47 | <Guest154> | since the one at freenode is defunct since 2008 |
| 21:47 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 21:47 | -!- | mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-69-203-124-233.nyc.res.rr.com] by abrotman |
| 21:47 | <bja> | Guest154: if you find one, let the channel know to update the factoid |
| 21:47 | -!- | mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 21:47 | <abrotman> | Guest154: please use ##linux on irc.freenode.net .. you've been told a few times |
| 21:47 | <abrotman> | Guest154: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 21:47 | * | bremner was just in #knoppix on freenode |
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| 21:48 | <abrotman> | bremner: is the device pretty new ? |
| 21:48 | <bremner> | yeah |
| 21:49 | <bremner> | I thought these things were completely generic now, should I try a kernel upgrade? (running squeeze) |
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| 21:49 | <sney> | "I demand you help me with this problem on an OS you don't use. if you don't help me you are an asshole" where do these guys come from |
| 21:50 | <bja> | I droped a can full of worms, maybe one got into irc ? |
| 21:50 | <sney> | ha maybe |
| 21:50 | -!- | mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 21:50 | -!- | mode/#debian [-b *!*@cpe-69-203-124-233.nyc.res.rr.com] by abrotman |
| 21:50 | -!- | mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 21:50 | <abrotman> | it would help if you guys wouldn't keep talking to him .. he was directed to the forum and ##linux pretty quickly .. |
| 21:51 | <abrotman> | bremner: the only kernel upgrade is the -3- in sid |
| 21:51 | <abrotman> | unless you compile your own |
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| 21:52 | <twb> | Google's HR people told me my "linux internals" skills weren't up to snuff, so I gotta start rolling my own kernels. |
| 21:53 | <twb> | That'll make me smarter, right? \end{ricer} |
| 21:53 | <abrotman> | twb: you should ask them what they meant .. |
| 21:53 | <bremner> | HR people know what linux internals are? |
| 21:53 | <twb> | abrotman: I was talking to the HR drone, who was reading notes post-facto from the technical people. |
| 21:54 | <abrotman> | that's not really helpful, pretty vague .. oh well |
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| 21:54 | <othor1> | I am trying to get alsa to work with iec958 output. If gstreamer-properties test works on both analog and digital outputs but when running Totem only analog output works, any ideas? |
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| 21:56 | <twb> | othor1: is the source digitally encoded? |
| 21:56 | <othor1> | The only way I have been able to get it to work consistently is forcing sound playback to the digital only (have to choose 'AD198x Digital' in the driver list instead of ALSA), but that way I can only use one app at a time |
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| 21:57 | <othor1> | with sound that is |
| 21:57 | <twb> | othor1: sounds like you can't hardware mux in digital. |
| 21:57 | <othor1> | I thought so too, but then mplayer and vlc work at the same time |
| 21:57 | <othor1> | both using alsa directly |
| 21:58 | <twb> | Then it's gnome's fault |
| 21:58 | <parallelday> | what is a "transitional dummy package" |
| 21:59 | <abrotman> | parallelday: it's a package that is there for when you do a version change like etch->lenny .. to facilitate a major package change |
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| 22:02 | <othor1> | what media player do you recommend instead of totem? |
| 22:02 | <abrotman> | for what type of media / |
| 22:02 | <abrotman> | ? |
| 22:03 | <parallelday> | I've usually had good luck with VLC. |
| 22:03 | <othor1> | Same here but it doesn't like dual display setups, it insists on full screening on the wrong display |
| 22:03 | <parallelday> | 1.0.2 is pretty jank though. |
| 22:03 | <ml|> | mplayer works great for me :) |
| 22:04 | <othor1> | can't stand the interface |
| 22:04 | <abrotman> | othor1: what type of media? |
| 22:04 | <othor1> | Mostly videos/movies |
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| 22:04 | <abrotman> | othor1: i think your choices are pretty much totem-gstreamer/totem-xine/vlc/mplayer |
| 22:05 | <abrotman> | or straight xine i guess |
| 22:05 | <twb> | What I've seen of totem was pretty laughable |
| 22:06 | <abrotman> | works fine here .. |
| 22:06 | <twb> | e.g. picking the wrong colourspace for a DVD |
| 22:06 | <abrotman> | the only thing i haven't gotten totem to play is the movies from my digicam .. and mplayer can't do it either |
| 22:07 | <othor1> | any easy way to get a more modern day version of vlc for lenny? |
| 22:07 | <abrotman> | ,versions vlc |
| 22:07 | <judd> | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; squeeze: 1.0.4-2+b1; sid: 1.0.5-2 |
| 22:07 | <othor1> | current "stable" is very old |
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| 22:07 | <abrotman> | othor1: maybe /msg dpkg dmm .. not sure what version they have there |
| 22:08 | <ricairon> | http://www.4shared.com/file/237253741/3082d379/Captura_da_tela.html |
| 22:08 | <twb> | !tell othor1 about backports |
| 22:08 | <ricairon> | ??? any solution? |
| 22:08 | <abrotman> | oh, doesn't seem to have vlc |
| 22:08 | <abrotman> | twb: there's no vlc there |
| 22:08 | <twb> | OK |
| 22:08 | <othor1> | Yes first place I looked |
| 22:09 | <othor1> | Recommend installing package from another version? (i.e. sid) ? |
| 22:09 | <twb> | othor1: maybe just migrate to testing |
| 22:10 | <twb> | It should be the new stable within six months |
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| 22:11 | <abrotman> | othor1: no, it' snot recommended to mix |
| 22:11 | <othor1> | Didn't think so, different dependencies I would suppose |
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| 22:14 | <parallelday> | I'm excited about moving from Ubuntu to Debian Testing. It's probably just going to function pretty much how I'd expect it to and their won't be much to get excited about though. But the prospect of more frequently updates packages instead of waiting 6 months sounds good. |
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| 22:15 | <othor1> | I considered that but also the fact that most agree that if you have to ask wether you should or not, you probably shouldn't. So I myself am not sure |
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| 22:18 | <othor1> | Are there any complications of migrating from lenny to squeeze? |
| 22:19 | <sney> | sometimes, but usually it is a painless process provided you follow the instructions exactly and don't skip any steps |
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| 22:20 | <ml|> | othor1: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 22:21 | <ml|> | dpkg: es-social ml| |
| 22:21 | <dpkg> | ml|: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 22:22 | <ml|> | great :) |
| 22:22 | <ml|> | Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Inglés. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Español, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 22:22 | <ml|> | oops |
| 22:22 | <sney> | !spam ml| |
| 22:22 | <abrotman> | ml|: that's what /msg is for .. |
| 22:22 | <ml|> | abrotman: was just testing in channel ;) |
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| 22:26 | <paggas> | hmm? |
| 22:26 | <icebrain> | btw, it's "línea" |
| 22:26 | <paggas> | !spam paggas |
| 22:27 | <abrotman> | enough ? |
| 22:28 | <sney> | icebrain: unfortunately the bot hates accents and things. it's also Español and Inglés |
| 22:29 | <twb> | Also, encoding in IRC is guesswork |
| 22:29 | <twb> | Because there's no facility to negotiate an encoding in-band. |
| 22:30 | <sney> | eventually it will all be unicode by default. hmm, maybe we should put in a wishlist bug for xchat to be set to unicode instead of whatever US-ASCII it uses by default |
| 22:31 | <abrotman> | sney: i'd guess that's more of a gtk/gnome issue .. could be wrong |
| 22:32 | <twb> | sney: practically speaking, that's how it works unless you're Japanese or Russian or a nut. |
| 22:32 | <othor1> | Ok I think I might just go through with the migration, but I am wondering, what about packages that are only available in "lenny" distribution (3rd party repositories etc) ? They should in theory be forward compatible right? |
| 22:32 | <sney> | all I know is every time I install xchat, I have to set it to UTF-8 myself, debian installs included. |
| 22:32 | <twb> | othor1: we can't comment on third-party repository status. |
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| 22:33 | <ml|> | you are on your own with that |
| 22:33 | <twb> | othor1: but personally, I would NEVER EVER EVER use a third-party package, because they're all terribly, terribly shit. |
| 22:33 | <sney> | othor1: many 3rd party repos do have a squeeze/testing section, though, such as dmm or the updated wine one |
| 22:33 | <twb> | Well, Opera's .debs aren't as bad as webmin's. |
| 22:33 | <abrotman> | twb: unless the software is self-contained ? |
| 22:34 | <sney> | and google's repo for chrome exists outside the stable/testing/unstable heirarchy |
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| 22:35 | <twb> | Chrome can FOAD, IMO |
| 22:35 | <ml|> | sney: they only have one called lenny, right? |
| 22:35 | <ml|> | the vbox repos just have one that work for all |
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| 22:36 | <sney> | chrome just has 'main' iirc. Google works from a shaky internal redesign of ubuntu so they don't really pay attention to debian standards, though chrome does seem to Just Work (tm) |
| 22:36 | <foka> | Hello! I have a question about which is the better kernel to use on Intel Core i3/i5 processor with Debian i386 system: linux-image-2.6-686? Or linux-image-2.6-amd64? I googled for some time and had not been able to find a page which discuss the merits of either, so I am trying my luck here. Thanks! |
| 22:36 | <sney> | foka: how much ram do you have? |
| 22:37 | <othor1> | I will look into this in more detail tomorrow, thanks for all the help |
| 22:37 | <foka> | sney, 2GB on this particular machine. :-) |
| 22:37 | <sney> | it really comes down to personal preference, though. both will work. 686 is better supported because more people use it, and amd64 supports all the CPU features and higher than 3.5GB ram |
| 22:37 | <bja> | !es-social bja |
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| 22:38 | <ml|> | if more than ~3.3gb and want to use all your ram you need amd64 or bigmem kernel, tho not exactly the same as amd64 |
| 22:38 | <sney> | foka: with 2GB you're not going to see a difference, except that 686 might be a little more stable. |
| 22:38 | <ml|> | or plan too to use more than 3.3gb |
| 22:38 | <twb> | foka: why don't you just run the CPU in native amd64 mode? |
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| 22:39 | <ml|> | yeah, I'd just use i386 if not going to use more than ~3.3gb |
| 22:39 | <foka> | sney, So, if I understand correctly, the -amd64 kernel will use some x86-64 instruction (with possibility of a tiny speed improvement), but might brings incompatibility with binary modules like 32-bit proprietary driver? :-) |
| 22:40 | <foka> | twb, You mean running the native Debian amd64 port? :-) |
| 22:40 | <twb> | foka: yes. |
| 22:40 | <sney> | foka: right, and just not being tested as much. but as you can see there are cases for both, so it's just whatever you feel like doing. there is no "right" answer. |
| 22:40 | <abrotman> | foka: for most people .. you'll never notice the difference of i386 or amd64 .. |
| 22:40 | <ml|> | yep |
| 22:41 | <twb> | In which case using the native ISA is better :-) |
| 22:42 | <foka> | twb, I'm configuring that particular machine for a friend, and to avoid problems (as those problems will come back to me, haha), I'm staying with i386 port for now. :-) |
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| 22:42 | <twb> | Well, if it's for someone who's going to want stupid proprietary crap, that's different |
| 22:43 | <foka> | sney, Thank you for the in-depth explanation. Now I know better. I was never sure. :-) |
| 22:43 | <foka> | abrotman, Very true, haha! |
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| 22:47 | <parallelday> | Why is it that ia-32 apps work and install fine in x64 Windows. But when it comes to Linux you have all kinds of problems with mixing them? |
| 22:48 | <parallelday> | Granted, most Linux apps are open source and ported to x64 so it's not an issue most of the time. |
| 22:48 | <foka> | abrotman, twb, ml|, sney: Thank you all for your help! Much appreciated! :-) |
| 22:49 | <parallelday> | I've successfully installed ia-32 emulators in x64 Windows but they won't run at all in x64 Linux. |
| 22:49 | <ml|> | np, enjoy debian :) |
| 22:49 | <abrotman> | parallelday: they're working on it .. |
| 22:49 | <abrotman> | !multiarch |
| 22:49 | <dpkg> | extra, extra, read all about it, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
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| 22:50 | <parallelday> | I was just curious as to why the difference between Windows and Linux when it comes to that issue. You can force dpkg to install the ia-32 app, which I've done and gotten to work. |
| 22:50 | <RustyRazor> | im trying to get sftp working but after adding the Match rule to chroot users it fails to connect |
| 22:51 | <adb> | parallelday, you are running debian ? |
| 22:51 | <parallelday> | I know that it has something to do with 32 bit libraries being required, which I don't see why you can't just have both the ia-32 and x64 libraries installed. |
| 22:51 | <parallelday> | Not yet, I'm planning on switching to Testing later this week. |
| 22:51 | <parallelday> | Ubuntu currently. |
| 22:51 | <adb> | parallelday, go ask in your distribution |
| 22:52 | <EmleyMoor> | To an extent you can - you can also easily have an i386 "jail" on amd64 |
| 22:52 | <foka> | parallelday, My experiment has been mostly pleasant, as in my machine(s) running Debian or Ubuntu amd64 port can usually run x86-32 applications just fine |
| 22:52 | <parallelday> | adb: This is more of a cross-distribution issue instead of just a Ubuntu or Debian or Fedora or insert_distro issue. |
| 22:52 | <foka> | parallelday, Of course, things get ugly if the libraries/executable are mixed (some 32-bit, some 64-bit), as that would usually fail. |
| 22:53 | <foka> | parallelday, What problem did you encounter exactly? |
| 22:53 | <abrotman> | parallelday: IIRC, win64 has basically the entire win32 stuff somewhere .. been awhile since i looked at it |
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| 22:53 | <parallelday> | I got Nero4Linux to install using the force architecture command for dpkg. But not emulators. I know that emus are usually coded in assembly, which is architecture important. |
| 22:54 | <sney> | in system32, naturally |
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| 22:54 | <parallelday> | How much extra space would it take up to fetch ia-32 bit libraries for installing ia-32 bit apps that aren't ported to x64? |
| 22:55 | <parallelday> | I wouldn't think it'd matter much in today's world of increasing HD space. |
| 22:55 | <foka> | parallelday, Ubuntu is usually fine in this area too, but of course, things like Adobe flash plugin (only 32-bit version available) being run with a 64-bit wrapper is tricky, hehe |
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| 22:55 | <parallelday> | I thought Flash was released for x64 Linux. |
| 22:56 | <abrotman> | kind of |
| 22:56 | <parallelday> | it does. but it's only for Linux according to Wikipedia. |
| 22:56 | <abrotman> | i think the current state is 'alpha' |
| 22:56 | <parallelday> | the main problem with Flash I've had is that it randomly will stop loading altogether, forcing me to restart my browser. |
| 22:56 | <parallelday> | I don't remember having that problem on my ia-32 computer. |
| 22:57 | <abrotman> | shocker |
| 22:57 | <bja> | !es-social sney |
| 22:57 | <dpkg> | sney: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat. |
| 22:57 | <EmleyMoor> | parallelday: I saw that with both i386 and amd64 |
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| 22:57 | <parallelday> | supposidly in the next major release they're going to have those issues fixed. |
| 22:58 | <sney> | thanks bja |
| 22:58 | <EmleyMoor> | (only difference was that the place where flash was supposed to be was black on i386, white on amd64) |
| 22:58 | <parallelday> | I would like to see Gnash get up to the level where it can replace Flash. |
| 22:58 | <foka> | parallelday, Thankfully, no such problem on my Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 installation; but I saw another problem: Clicking on flash window with the mouse is unresponsive for certain website. Oh well... |
| 22:58 | <parallelday> | Don't know if taht's ever going to happen though. |
| 22:59 | <abrotman> | luckily ubuntu problems belong in #ubuntu |
| 22:59 | <parallelday> | It might for videos, but probably not interactive games. |
| 22:59 | <parallelday> | Luckily I don't play Flash games. |
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| 23:00 | <foka> | parallelday, What do you intend to do exactly with your upcoming Debian amd64 installation? How do you plan to "mix" 32-bit binaries? |
| 23:00 | <parallelday> | Anyone try piping Flash videos to an external player rather than using Flash Player? |
| 23:00 | <EmleyMoor> | There's still no Shockwave for Linux - that's annoying |
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| 23:01 | <foka> | parallelday, apt-get install clive? :-) |
| 23:01 | <parallelday> | I wasn't really planning on using any ia-32 bit apps. I was just asking why the difference between x64 Windows working better with ia-32 apps and x64 Linux, not working as well. |
| 23:02 | <parallelday> | I guess because Windows is less fragmented and it's easier to make their limited libraries support ia-32 than on Linux where there tons and tons of libraries that would need to support it. |
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| 23:03 | <kop> | Where does kde keep it's application counter that puts "most used" applications at the top of the menu? I switched apps and want a reset. |
| 23:04 | <sney> | probably in ~/.kde somewhere |
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| 23:10 | <kop> | sney: Possibly .kde/share/config/kickerrc |
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| 23:21 | <timus> | hi all |
| 23:21 | <timus> | new here... |
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| 23:22 | <timus> | i want to learn more about Linux especially debian.... |
| 23:23 | <ml|> | timus: /msg dpkg reference |
| 23:23 | <bja> | timus: /msg dpkg unix lessons |
| 23:23 | <timus> | i am upgrading to squeeze |
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| 23:23 | <bja> | stop |
| 23:23 | <bja> | First thing get your basics right |
| 23:23 | <user_> | jember' |
| 23:24 | <bja> | Get your system to work like you expect it, then go looking for trouble |
| 23:24 | <ml|> | timus: first learn about debian then move to testing if you like |
| 23:25 | <timus> | i am looking trouble :) |
| 23:25 | <timus> | i have been using linux for a while... actually long time |
| 23:25 | <timus> | on and off for probably 10 yrs |
| 23:25 | <ml|> | well have fun then |
| 23:25 | <timus> | and I wanna deep dive |
| 23:25 | <timus> | to the bare metal |
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| 23:26 | <bja> | timus: linus from scratch |
| 23:26 | <ml|> | read what I suggested to learn about debian |
| 23:26 | <bja> | timus: or do as ml| says |
| 23:27 | <timus> | i did gentoo before.... i think stage 2... |
| 23:27 | <sprink> | join #c |
| 23:27 | <sprink> | eh. fail |
| 23:27 | <ml|> | or do as bja suggests if you want real trouble |
| 23:27 | <timus> | i am now trying to look for issues in my squeeze system. |
| 23:28 | <timus> | in fact i am using squeeze now... |
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| 23:28 | <sprink> | bye #debian. thanks for the help |
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| 23:28 | <bja> | timus: Why not go all the way up to experimental |
| 23:28 | <timus> | experimental ... hmmmm |
| 23:28 | <ml|> | dpkg: slap bja |
| 23:28 | * | dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across bja's face |
| 23:28 | <timus> | i want to help with squeeze though... |
| 23:29 | <timus> | in any way possible..... |
| 23:29 | <ml|> | I try too |
| 23:29 | <timus> | anyway... here is my first problem.... |
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| 23:29 | <timus> | i am using gnome.... |
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| 23:30 | <bja> | !nuke ml| |
| 23:30 | * | dpkg fires an 80 ton thermonuclear weapon at ml| |
| 23:30 | <timus> | i noticed that rubber band selection is not working in my case |
| 23:32 | <timus> | i know this would be one of the least to worry for hardcore programmers.... |
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| 23:32 | <timus> | but this is something that should be working one way or another |
| 23:32 | <ml|> | wait for a gnome user, for help with that |
| 23:33 | <timus> | note that latest debian 5.0 is working out of the box... same for ubuntu 9.10 and Mint8 |
| 23:34 | <timus> | it was only when i have upgraded my system to squeeze that rubber band selection is not working |
| 23:34 | <ml|> | have you checked bts? |
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| 23:34 | <timus> | not yet.. i will do that |
| 23:34 | <timus> | now... |
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| 23:43 | <timus> | can't find it in bts |
| 23:44 | <timus> | can someone confirm pls that rubberband effect is not working in gnome? |
| 23:44 | <timus> | i mean rubberband effect during selection |
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| 23:45 | <adb> | witch gnome? |
| 23:46 | <ml|> | *which |
| 23:46 | <ml|> | adb: seems like testing |
| 23:47 | <adb> | *which testing ? |
| 23:47 | <ml|> | as in debian release testing |
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| 23:48 | <timus> | gnome that comes with squeeze.... |
| 23:48 | <adb> | ml|, explain him that testing is for testers |
| 23:48 | <timus> | it shows 2.28.2 |
| 23:48 | <ml|> | adb: he knows |
| 23:49 | <ml|> | timus: you know right, what testing is? |
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| 23:49 | <timus> | a little, you mean debian testing right? |
| 23:49 | <ml|> | yes |
| 23:50 | <timus> | squeeze and testing should be the same as of now... right? |
| 23:50 | <adb> | ml|, bts -> timus |
| 23:50 | <ml|> | yes they are thesame |
| 23:50 | <ml|> | adb: he checked and did not find anything |
| 23:50 | <timus> | yes... i did check bts... |
| 23:51 | <timus> | and I will keep checking using different keywords... |
| 23:51 | <ml|> | timus: you might want to file a bug report with reportbug |
| 23:51 | <timus> | but i would appreciate if anyone can confirm that rubberband selection effect is broken in squeeze.... |
| 23:51 | <ml|> | timus: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 23:51 | <ml|> | like I said wait for a gnome user using testing |
| 23:52 | <ml|> | if you don't get a responce ask again in a bit and if you still don't maybe report it |
| 23:53 | <adb> | timus, or report, as it's done right now .. |
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| 23:53 | <timus> | i will probably... i search bts more... |
| 23:54 | <ml|> | timus: things like these are the reason it's called testing |
| 23:54 | <timus> | yap... i can understand. but i don't like to file duplicate issues too :) |
| 23:54 | <ml|> | if know one reports it, it won't get fixed if it's a real bug |
| 23:55 | <ml|> | yes, look some more if you like |
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