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---Logopened Tue Mar 09 00:00:04 2010
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00:05<adb>timus, may paste a pic(screenshot) of that rubberband ?
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00:07<timus>some people call it marching ants
00:07<adb>timus, even that name don't say me nothing ;)
00:12<timus>see how computer and timus' home are selected
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00:13<ml|>timus: yes, but that is not debian
00:13<adb>yes, and what's wrong ?
00:13<timus>yap.. that's mint8
00:14<timus>because debian squeeze is not working
00:14<ml|>on;y debian is supported here
00:14<timus>i know :)
00:14<adb>debian squeeze is not working? what exactly ?
00:14<ml|>you won't help here with that, try mint's channel
00:15<timus>ok, the issue is that the translucent rubberband selection is not working in my squeeze
00:15<ml|>heh, to late
00:15<ml|>good luck
00:16<adb>ml|, let him report a bug about mint to bts ..
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00:16<timus>ok... this is not an issue with mint... it was only for illustration purposes
00:17<timus>that same selection effect is not working in debian squeeze
00:17<ml|>timus: get debian working and you will get help then
00:17<adb>timus, do the same with squeeze
00:17<adb>the pic , i meant
00:18<timus>i have checked this one yesterday on debian 5.0... it was working...
00:18<timus>so... yes i have a debian that is working as expected but not with squeeze
00:19<adb>timus, so posted the report bug ?
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00:20<timus>nope... i will search some more..
00:20<timus>i need to crash...
00:20<timus>thanks for the time guys
00:20<ml|>he can't not even using debian
00:20<timus>i have a working debian on a vbox snapshot
00:21<twb>16:15 <timus> ok, the issue is that the translucent rubberband selection is not working in my squeeze
00:21<twb>I thought he was making some sad joke on the name
00:21<twb>Then I realized: goddamn compiz
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00:22<timus>in squeeze?
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00:22<ml|>timus: comeback when you are uding debian
00:22<twb>Squeeze hasn't even been released yet, so there's plenty of time for GNOME to add even MORE bugs
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00:22<ml|>twb: hah
00:22<timus>lol ml...
00:22<timus>i am using debian :)
00:23<ml|>no you not, that was mint
00:23<twb>Like calling a quicksilver clone a "graphical shell".
00:23<timus>debian5:/home/timus# uname -r
00:23<ml|>that's from vbox I take it?
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00:24<timus>i have 4 virtual machines running
00:24<timus>one mint8
00:24<timus>one ubuntu 9.10
00:24<timus>another running w7
00:24<khades>one hug for u
00:24<timus>another winxp
00:24<timus>another one running debian squeeze
00:24<timus>running on w7 64bit
00:25<ml|>I doubt you will get muvh help then, but good luck
00:26<ml|>better if you explain this from the start
00:27<timus>sorry to confuse then ....
00:27<ml|>why not just install debian for real?
00:28<timus>here is the capture of my debain squeeze
00:28<timus>Debian in bare metal?
00:28<timus>i am working for a company that uses mostly windows
00:29<timus>i might use debian in my host machine in the future....
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00:29<timus>but it should no matter much using debian in a guest environment
00:30<ml|>well, drivers an such are not the same
00:30<timus>yes... but i should have better mileage in vbox
00:30<timus>as the driver will not change much
00:30<timus>it was working in lenny...
00:31<ml|>I still don't see what you mean
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00:32<twb>In a single sentence, what is the issue you want to resolve, and how does it relate to Debian?
00:33<timus>rubberband selection in Gnome desktop is not working in debian squeeze
00:33<twb>I'd like to either solve it or move discussion to #debian-offtopic.
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00:33<twb>timus: and Debian is a vbox guest?
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00:34<twb>timus: open a terminal and run "xdpyinfo | grep Direct". Does it say "yes" or "no"?
00:34<twb>(That is, a terminal inside the Debian guest.)
00:35<timus>debian5:/home/timus# xdpyinfo | grep Direct
00:35<timus> class: DirectColor
00:35<timus> class: DirectColor
00:35<timus> class: DirectColor
00:35<timus> class: DirectColor
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00:36<adb>twb, good trap ..
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00:36<twb>adb: unintentional.
00:36<timus>stupid me...
00:36<ml|>timus: are you running X as root?
00:36<twb>timus: does it say "Direct Rendering: yes" or "Direct Rendering: no"?
00:38<timus>xdpyinfo don't have a string Direct Rendering?
00:38<twb>Sigh. OK, let me install it and find out...
00:39<sney>glxinfo is the one with the Direct Rendering string
00:39<timus>by the way, i am not running as root
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00:40<timus>glxinfo needs mesa-utils
00:40<ml|>sney: is correct
00:40<timus>i will try to install
00:40<twb>sney: thanks; brain fart.
00:40<timus>debian5:/home/timus# glxinfo | grep Render
00:40<timus>OpenGL Warning: Failed to connect to host. Make sure 3D acceleration is enabled for this VM.
00:41<twb>timus: OK, this is the problem. Your guest doesn't have 3D acceleration, which compiz needs to most of its effects efficiently (i.e. at all).
00:41<twb>timus: you need to talk to the virtualbox people to find out how to make 3D acceleration work in guest VMs.
00:42<timus>ok... let me enable 3d acceleration in vm
00:42<timus>but before i do that
00:42<timus>why would we need 3d accel in Gnome?
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00:42<ml|>but he said it worked in lenny vm
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00:43<ml|>compiz needs 3d
00:43<timus>yes, it is working in lenny vm.
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00:43<timus>and it is working in mint8 and ubuntu9.10 too
00:43<longjon>irc:// #eliteteam
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00:43<adb>!ops longjon,
00:43<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: longjon,
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00:43<sney>wow, not even a spambot.
00:45<twb>timus: Compiz needs 3D acceleration. If you don't like it, take it up with GNOME. We can't stop their idiocy.
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00:45<timus>what the ... GNOME needs this one now?
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00:46<twb>timus: no, compiz. It's a window manager.
00:46<twb>timus: nothing stops you using a different WM with GNOME.
00:46<timus>i am assuming i am using the default
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00:46<timus>metacity ?
00:46<twb>IIRC you can go into the GNOME configuration doohickey and set "wanker graphic effects" to "none", which will actually make GNOME use metacity.
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00:47<twb>timus: if you examine your process table, you'll probably find it's running compiz, not metacity, right now.
00:47<ml|>or remove compiz
00:47<ml|>doubt you have compiz working in your other vm's
00:48<timus>debian5:/home/timus# ps ax | grep compi
00:48<timus> 6370 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep compi
00:48<ml|>afaik vbox does not support 3d
00:49<timus>debian5:/home/timus# ps ax | grep metacity
00:49<timus> 1231 ? S 0:03 /usr/bin/metacity
00:49<timus> 6372 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep metacity
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00:49<adb>new trap ?
00:49<ml|>adb: his own
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00:49<timus>dang.. stupid me... disconnected again...
00:49<timus>how can i paste a long string here....
00:50<ml|>dpkg: tell timus about pastebin
00:50<sney> it's for winners
00:50<timus>so yes, i am using metacity not compiz
00:50<ml|>you can't read what dpkg said
00:50<ml|>!win sney
00:50<dpkg>Congratulations, sney! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
00:50*sney makes a giant fish sculpture
00:51<ml|>sney: add it to your previous set ;)
00:52<timus>by the way, vbox does support experimental 3d support
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00:53<timus>anyway, i need to crash....
00:53<timus>i will investigate if this is an issue with vbox video driver
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01:18<twb>I'm glad that's over
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01:54<twb>T'so's blog suggests that an ATA "SECURITY ERASE" command can be used to blat part of an SSD that aren't reachable as ordinary blocks.
01:54<twb>How do I issue such a command?
01:55<meglaw>try defragging it
01:55<twb>meglaw: um, that assumes there's a filesystem there.
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01:57<twb>The goal is a cheap way to make data recovery very expensive, without physically destroy the SSD itself.
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02:09<sig_wall>twb: Victoria or MHDD (very dangerous programs for servicing HDDs) may call "Security erase".
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02:10<twb>sig_wall: hey, btw, I got btrfs booting from extlinux 4.0~alpha
02:10<twb>sig_wall: I had to manually modprobe crc and zlib in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, in the right order, before btrfs
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02:14<sig_wall>ah, hdparm has --security-erase option
02:17<twb>sig_wall: the manpage for that is VERY scary
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02:17<twb>I don't think I'll try it with other disks in the machine :-)
02:18<jm_>twb: why not use instead?
02:18<jm_>that's from hdparm author and is intended to be used for SSD-s that support TRIM
02:18<jm_> of course
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02:20<jm_>although now that I read it you are probably looking for something else
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02:25<twb>AIUI TRIM is a GC flag, it doesn't actually force erasure
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02:26<twb>But this SSD was used for Windows 7, so it occurred to me that it probably has an existing, full, stupid allocation table inside the FTL, and I might erase it before installing Debian.
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02:28<jm_>yup, I misread your original request, sorry
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02:29<twb>My question was also more about general data destruction on SSDs than my immediate desire to "factory reset" the performance of the SSD.
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02:37<twb>"parted /dev/sdb print" reports sector size logical/physical of 512B/512B.
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02:38<twb>How do I tell it to expect 4k or 128k blocks?
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02:40<twb>Oh, and I intend to use gpt disk labels, if that matters.
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03:08<twb>Never mind.
03:09<twb>Regarding suspend-to-swap, is it adequate to have exactly 2GiB of swap for 2GiB of RAM, or should I allocate a little extra? I don't expect to ever use the swap for anything *but* suspend-to-ram.
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03:10<EmleyMoor>What support is there these days for CD/DVD direct label technologies?
03:10<twb>EmleyMoor: "direct label"?
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03:11<EmleyMoor>LightScribe, LabelFlash, LabelTag...
03:11*twb googles
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03:15<twb>EmleyMoor: the burning software is "wodim" or "cdrecord" (or perhaps "growisofs"). Googling indicates that as at 2007, support for lightscribe was only via a proprietary SDK.
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03:15<twb>Hmm, but there are comments that contradict that.
03:15<EmleyMoor>I get the impression that only LightScribe can (at a pinch) be used and support for it has got worse...
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03:16<twb>EmleyMoor: they devs appear to live at #cdrkit here on OFTC.
03:16<jm_>twb: in my experience suspend to disk achieves very good compressionr atios, so 2G should be fine
03:16<twb>jm_: oh, I didn't realize it compressed it.
03:17<jm_>twb: both uswsusp and tuxonice do
03:17<twb>It's implemented in userspace?!
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03:28<jmm>hi #debian !
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03:44<jm_>if you're the one who asked about 4G mem yesterday - I checked at home and my ro's 32bit kernel with HIGHMEM64G enabled sees it all
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03:46<camel__>what is the story with running binary-only programs that need /etc/termcap?
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03:47<camel__>debian used to have a termcap-compat package, but it seems long dead. does anyone know why it was removed? (maybe there's a workaround in debian now?)
03:47<jm_>!bts 323139
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03:48<jm_>anyway, that's the bug number listing the reason for its removal
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03:51<camel__>jm_: ah. 'too much work to maintain' seems the reason. no workaround :( oh well :/ thanks anyway
03:51<alfadir>hi, mplayer streaming crashes x.. did work yesterday.. hmm similar experiences ?
03:51<twb>IIRC ncurses is orphaned, too
03:52<jm_>camel__: it's probably fixable with LD_PRELOAD, but very few people can be bothered writing that
03:53<babilen>... you could write a little shellscript that wraps the original executable (if applicable)
03:53<jm_>back then it was enough to recompile those tools and link with ncurses, but my guess is lots of changes will be needed nowadays to compile old code with modern gcc
03:53<twb>Or just make a Sarge chroot and run it in there long enough to get the data out, then burn it to the ground
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03:54<camel__>twb: i need to run this program all the time, alas, so i'm stuck for now.
03:54<jm_>what kind of tool is it?
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03:54<twb>I bet it's for talking to industrial machinery
03:54<camel__>it's an electronic circuit simulator
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03:56<camel__>i _think_ it is worrying about termcap because of tcl, but i'm not sure, it just aborts after complaining 'Cannot read termcap database;'
03:56<camel__>ah, sure enough, strace says it's just trying to read /etc/termcap
03:56<jm_>I suppose preloading ncurses won't work with it
03:57<camel__>just tried now - no luck.
03:58<camel__>so i guess i need to just figure out what to put into /etc/termcap to keep it happy and then i should be set
03:58<camel__>(i know nothing about terminfo stuff ;)
03:58<jm_>you can steal that file from some old package
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03:59<jm_>but maybe it also needs libtermcap
03:59<camel__>jm_: brilliant idea
04:00<camel__>i have some ancient termcap file
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04:00<camel__>worked instantly :) (i'm here in .jp using rxvt-unicode and it has an entry!)
04:00<camel__>why not just make _that_ a termcap-compat package. i dunno
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04:00<camel__>in any case, yeah I guess I'm "lucky", this program has quite a few shared library dependencies
04:00<camel__>but libtermcap is not one of them (quite certain)
04:01<camel__>so either it's statically in there (looks like it got sucked in while they built TCL)
04:01<camel__>or it is just being weird and reading that file directly
04:01<camel__>it works, so, thanks#%!#%!#()%*!#(
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04:10<maxp>what to do, if I have printer and dont have any drivers for linux, but I have windows which has drivers for it ?
04:11<twb>maxp: throw it out and buy an old LaserJet from the early 90s
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04:13<maxp>eeh... can't do that. it's company's printer :D
04:13<jmm>what printer is it ?
04:13<maxp>infotec 4180 MF
04:13<twb>OK, so what you do is balance it on the edge of the desk and wait for someone to knock it onto the hard floor
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04:14<twb>(Seriously: it probably speaks PCL5e natively, and you just need to set up CUPS with the right .ppd.)
04:14<maxp>twb: it is big printer with xero standing in the corner of the room :)
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04:14<twb>maxp: put a pot plant on top of it, then, and wait for caretakers to water it
04:15<maxp>twb: good thought :)
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04:18<Guest194>hi zusammen :D
04:19<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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04:24<Guest196>onur stinkt :D
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04:49<babilen>casa_is_not_here: Turn that *off*, please.
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04:50<jm_>the same has been requested yesterday, to no avail it seems
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05:40<orjan>Sorry a little OT. I'm writing a new CV. I knew the first kernel I used was 2.0.9. Where can I find info on when it was released?
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05:42<jm_>shouldn't be too hard to find announcement in mlist archives or whatever
05:42<orjan>themill: thanks
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05:44<orjan>ah it was 16-Aug-1996, thanks again
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05:45<twb>And since then Linus *still* hasn't made a backward-incompatible change
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05:45<twb>Whither his sense of ADVENTURE?
05:45<themill>yeah, right
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05:53<felixd>Hi. I have problems with transfer speed from Novell Server (IPX,802.2,ncpfs).
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05:54<felixd>Should be around 100Mbit :) and is around 130-150 kb/s
05:55<twb>felixd: considered migrating to a TCP/IP stack?
05:55<felixd>I can't do that
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05:55<felixd>I HAVE to use IPx ;/
05:56<felixd>thats the problem
05:56<twb>felixd: what about sneakernet?
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05:57<felixd>? :)
05:57<felixd>you want tme to move
05:57<felixd>data on hdd or sth ?
05:57<felixd>I need to have access from Debian machine to Novell Data Server
05:58<felixd>Novell uses IPX
05:58<felixd>I can't do anything else
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05:59<twb>felixd: "sneakernet" is where you put the data on a tape or a hard disk, then walk to the other machine and plug the tape/disk in there
06:00<felixd>yeap found on wikipedia but I can't do that
06:00<twb>Then I dunno. I never touched IPX.
06:00<felixd>I need "any" solution how to fix IPX speed ;)
06:00<felixd>k thnx :)
06:00<twb>felixd: trunk two ipx lines? :-P
06:00<felixd>hehe ;]
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06:01<felixd>I'm checking if it can be switch problem
06:01<felixd>becosue net here in office is terrible ;)
06:01<felixd>maybe I've plugged my rj-45 into wrong port ;]
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06:08<felixd>I think it's
06:08<felixd>Phisical problem ;]
06:08<felixd>or switch
06:08<felixd>TCP/IP 700-800kb/s lol
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06:19<felixd>Lol Solved ;)
06:19<felixd>Cabels/Switch problem
06:19<felixd>need to find netwo
06:19<felixd>rk admin
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06:56<Debian911>Wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction of migrating from a Raid1 to Raid0 array with mdadm - google is only showing movements to a Raid1 array
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07:15<gray_fox>hi everybody
07:15<Debian911>Wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction of migrating from a Raid1 to Raid0 array with mdadm - google is only showing movements to a Raid1 array
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07:24<gray_fox>i have to write a script in bash, how can i find which desktop environment is in operation?
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07:25<jmm>gray_fox: using ps ?
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07:27<gray_fox>i need use some parameter?
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07:28<beers>does someone know how to set a MPI 2 up? I am trying to compile a program that cannot find teh default mpi2
07:30<pwork>Hello, I run a 64b lenny and can't get microphone to work on it, because alsa version is too old. I removed alsa from package management, compiled a brand new one, and mic did work, but I couldn't upgrade kernel and libc packages anymore, due to dependencies. Yesterday, I uninstalled this manual alsa, upgraded what was locked, and created a 64b sid chroot, then put new debian-managed alsa package and mumble 1.2 in it
07:31<pwork>Now, the problem is that when I start mumble in the chroot, it uses the lenny 64b host alsa driver/daemon/module, but not the ones installed in the sid chroot
07:31<pwork>How can I do to hotplug/hotreplace alsa when getting in the chroot ?
07:32<pwork>lenny's alsa is 1.0.15 and sid's one is 1.0.22
07:33<beers>do you know if there is a new version of alsa in backport?
07:33<pwork>beers, I checked it before, and there wasn't
07:33<pwork>beers, That's why I built it from alsa sources at first, and packaged it in a .deb
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07:34<pwork>But it overwritten some kernel and libc files, that's why it was locked for upgrade after
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07:34<pwork>Now, this is solved. The only problem is to disable the host alsa, and enabling the chroot alsa when entering the chroot
07:34<pwork>Since the chroot shares the kernel with the host, I don't know if this is possible. I'm ne in chroot
07:34<gray_fox>jmm, thanks, i solved...
07:35<beers>lucky me. The time I did have the same problem as you (to old alsa) testing was stable enough to upgrade to
07:36<pwork>In fact, I noticed that the lenny's host alsamixergui and the sid's chroot gnome-alsamixer are countroling the same alsa conf. Host and chroot share the same /home
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07:36<pwork>beers, Ok, but I have the constraint not to move from the stable disto
07:37<pwork>I can't shift to testing, that's why I did chroot it
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07:38<beers>there are stil to many problems with testing (I think ) to I would upgrade
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07:38<beers>just of interrest: why are you forced to use stable?
07:39<pwork>beers, because I share the same environment with some people, and that we must stand on the same software environment
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07:39<pwork>Very strong constraint, so everyone runs stable
07:41<pwork>libasound2 1.0.22 is in backports :)
07:41<pwork>But I don't find alsa packages
07:42<gsimmons>pwork: You could just use a backported 2.6.32 kernel image package, which provides ALSA 1.0.21.
07:42<pwork>gsimmons, I wouldn't need to install the alsa-base, alsa-driver and alsa-tools drivers that way ?
07:43<jm_>i use alsa packages from stable with various newer kernels, so far no issues
07:44<pwork>jm_, yeah, new kernels must be backward compatible I suppose
07:44<pwork>I wonder if /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop in the host, then /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start in the chroot, would hot-shift alsa version
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07:46<pwork>The allmighty sound chipset is audio_intel_hda
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07:50<pwork>In fact, I don't really know what is faulty in getting this chipset to work on lenny : either kernel modules, either alsa driver
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07:52<pwork>I'll get back to you tonight, when I'll get back on it :)
07:52<pwork>Have a nice day
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08:01<felixd>twb: Got it ;) ncpmount -o tcp -A IP_of_Novell_server _u user -p pass -s server-name ;)
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08:01<felixd>-o tcp makes big change (not using ipx, and NOT using UDP)
08:01<felixd>UDP works 2x slower than TCP/IP
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08:04<Guest213>hi there
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08:20<jmm>does anybody know some teamviewer comptable tool ? I gotta use that shit :(
08:20<jmm>compatible even.
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08:23<felixd>jmm try
08:24<jmm>felixd: let's try it.
08:25<jmm>does this works with teamviewer too ?
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08:25<felixd>aa you wanted compatible ;)
08:26<jmm>yea but I can choose only the client hehe :)
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08:27<marco>hay alguien
08:28<marco>hay alguien
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08:28<Guest215>hay alguien k able español
08:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:29<Guest215>por k aki no hay ningun español
08:30<Guest215>o que
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08:38<gengxj>I'm compiling linux kernel 2.6.10, I compiled the kernel successfully but I can't boot it. It gives message "could not open directory /lib/modules/2.6.10: no such file or directory". Does there anyone know why?
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08:39<jmm>gengxj: did you make modules_install ?
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08:39<gengxj>jmm: yes, I have checked. Everything is right.
08:40<jmm>so /lib/modules/2.6.10 exist right ?
08:40<jmm>sound a bit strange.
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08:41<rpetre>does it have support for the filesystem the modules are on?
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08:41<weasel>why such an ancient kernel?
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08:41<gengxj>make mrproper; make menuconfig; make bzImage; make modules; make modules_install; mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10;
08:42<gengxj>this is how i compile the kernel
08:43<gengxj>rpetre: yes, I have compiled many times. I'm sure i have compiled the file system into kernel.
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08:44<darsie>Hi! I got a now computer and copied my disk to the new disk and now I can't install grub. Can somone help me?
08:45<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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08:47<o_be_one>hi !
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08:48<o_be_one>i want to know if there is a bug in compiz with last update of squeeze ?
08:48<o_be_one>because i cant switch desktop ;(
08:48<o_be_one>after my latest update (sorry for these 3 lines)
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08:50<gengxj>jmm: Do you know why? Can you give me some advice?
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08:54<jack7>hola hay alguien español
08:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:55<jmm>why the hell does spanish speaking come every days there ?
08:55<snogglethorpe>gengxj: "don't take any wooden nickels"
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08:56<goodger>see a penny and pick it up, and all day long you'll have a worthless and possibly contaminated piece of copper damaging your wallet
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08:56<gengxj>snoggelthorpe: what do you mean?
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08:57<snogglethorpe>gengxj: i'm not sure
08:58<gengxj>snogglethorpe: I'm considering maybe it's the initrd file's problem.
08:58<gengxj>snogglethorpe: how to generate initrd file in linux 2.6.X?
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08:59<snogglethorpe>gengxj: did you specify the initrd to the bootloader properly?
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08:59<gengxj>yes, it's correct. the format is the same as the original kernel which is 2.6.26
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09:00<gengxj>snogglethorpe: i use mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10 to generate initrd file.
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09:01<snogglethorpe>hm, yeah but you gotta tell the bootloader to load it too...
09:02<gengxj>snogglethorpe: yes , i have writen initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.10 in menu.lst
09:02<ABCD>snogglethorpe: that piece of advice is *very* old - it refers to old fairs that gave out wooden nickels as prizes for things, which you could only exchange at that fair - some people would later try to pass them off as real money(!), apparently
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09:02<darsie>jm_: That almost did it, but then I got from 'grub-install /dev/sda': "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly."
09:02<snogglethorpe>ABCD: no doubt worth a fortune now
09:02<jm_>darsie: is /boot a separate partition?
09:03<ABCD>snogglethorpe: :D
09:03<darsie>jm_: no, a ext4 partition.
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09:03<darsie>I tried making a separate ext2 boot part, but grub could not mount it.
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09:04<darsie>I use the Knoppix live CD.
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09:05<darsie>Debian 4.0 netinstall rescue CD stops at detecting hardware (CD drives?)
09:05<darsie>but /boot/grub/stage1 is there.
09:06<jm_>darsie: knoppix used to use "nodev" option back then verify that it's not mounted with that
09:07<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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09:08<darsie>jm: /dev/sda3 on /target type exit4 (rw,relatime,barrier=1,data=ordered)
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09:09<o_be_one>i want to know if there is a bug in compiz with last update of squeeze ? Because i cant switch desktop after my latest update ... :(
09:09<jm_>darsie: are you sue grub supports ext4?
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09:09<darsie>jm_: No.
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09:09<darsie>jm_: That's why I tried with a ext2 boot part, too. But strangely grub cannot mount it.
09:10<jm_>darsie: was /boot a separate partition in that attempt?
09:10<darsie>whole system in ext4
09:10<jm_>are you sure you have /proc mounted and files in /dev working as they should in chroot?
09:11<jm_>darsie: how can whole system be ext4 and /boot ext2?
09:11<darsie>It seemed so.
09:12<darsie>jm_: well, I made a boot partition as well and tried to make grub: root (hd0,1); setup (hd0).
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09:12<darsie>the boot part was not mounted or anything then.
09:13<jm_>darsie: you need to use grub-install with --root switch in case you're using separate /boot partition
09:13<jm_>and yes, it needs to be mounted
09:13<jm_>uh not --rot, what was it, --directory?
09:13<darsie>I'll try with my boot partition then again...
09:14<jm_>but I have to go now, sorry - in ext4 case I am not sure it can mount it, I have not used ext4 yet
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09:14<darsie>ok. thanks ...
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09:35<darsie>I got grub to boot. Now it stops at: Begin: mounting root files system .. Begin: running /scripts/local-top ... done. begin: waiting for root file system ...
09:36<darsie>ohh, it did something ...
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10:18<darsie>it works. I had to change sda3 (which knoppix uses) to hda3.
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10:27<maxb>Is there a timeline for the move of etch to planned?
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10:29<twb>Can I make a dpkg diversion from /usr/lib/syslinux/menu.c32 to /boot/ ?
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10:29<twb>That is, as a sysadmin, not a packager.
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10:30<Shadow193>Hi all
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10:31<Jandres>\j #ubuntu
10:31<Jandres>como salto a ubuntu
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10:32<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
10:32<twb>OK, this works: dpkg-divert --local --divert /boot/menu.c32 --rename /usr/lib/syslinux/menu.c32
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10:32<bja>Jandres: en tu cliente ponle el servidor y ahí entra al canal ubuntu-es con /j #ubuntu-es
10:32<twb>dpkg-divert just really sucks at arg order / meaningful error reports.
10:33<Jandres>ok gracias
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10:52<tehtrk>At boot, does Debian expect there to not be an mtab in /etc/ or does it expect there to be a blank mtab in /etc (if all filesystems were properly unmounted at last shutdown). Or does it care?
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10:55<Titan8990>tehtrk, I have restored backups which did not exclude /etc/mtab, so it being there with info in it should not be a problem
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10:55<tehtrk>Titan8990: ok cool, thanks
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11:00<realu>how do i mount a share in a way that a user has rw rights on it?
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11:02<realu>i can mount so that root has rw rights but as a user i have ro rights on the share
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11:11<eldowan>It seems that I'm getting DHCP offers from an address outside of my LAN from multiple hops away. This is only affecting 2 of my systems, and is apparaent in the syslog of the dhcp server. I see lines like this only on the machines effected: "localhost dhcpd: DHCPREQUEST for 199.30.xx.xx (206.112.xx.xx) from 00:14:d1:18:xx:xx via eth1 "
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11:12<bja>eldowan: is this on laptops?
11:12<eldowan>I'm not even sure where to start looking for this. All others on the LAN get regular logs, and none include anything similar to that. on the machines affected, I see this: DHCPOFFER from 206.112.xx.xx
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11:12<eldowan>bja: no, on two debian lenny boxes that have been in place for a few years. I've only noticed this today.
11:13<amitz>what to google if I want to know the usage of user "irc" in debian default installation?
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11:14<sdk>Just wondering if anyone knows how to insert files into VirtualBox-OSE? I want to put a file into a headless vbox filesystem, but can't figure out how. ANy ideas?
11:14<sdk>From GNU/Linux, that is.. I'm sshed into the host system.
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11:15<jmm>I'm not sure about what you mean sdk.
11:15<amitz>sdk: use scp
11:15<sdk>and wnt to put a file into the guest vbox system.
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11:15<jmm>both linux ? do as amitz suggested.
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11:16<bja>sdk: scp
11:16<sdk>jmm: I have a Debian host running a Win2k3 (headless)guest. I want to load a file from Debian directly into the guest OS.
11:16<petemc>amitz: did you look at the entry in /etc/passwd?
11:17<eldowan>sdk: try samba or smbfs ?
11:17<bja>eldowan: Check the subnet you have those machines running. Maybe misconfigured hw
11:18<eldowan>sdk: alternatively, can you RDP into the W2k3 guest, and use winscp ?
11:18<eldowan>bja: same subnet as all the other machines on the LAN. I have a laptop plugged into the next port on the dumb switch, and its logs show correctly.
11:18<amitz>petemc: just deduced /etc/passwd usages. Thanks.
11:19<bja>eldowan: can you tap the gw, if so its time for tcpdump or wireshark
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11:20<eldowan>bja: I'm root. Its headless with no kde installed. I guess tcpdump it is.
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11:20<eldowan>bja: no WM installed, kde, gnome or otherwise
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11:24<rpetre>eldowan: you can do tcpdump -s 0 -w file.dump and analyse the file.dump with wireshark on another machine
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11:25<eldowan>rpetre: sounds like that is in the cards for me. Thanks.
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11:26<rpetre>eldowan: just add relevant filters so the dump file doesn't become unwieldy
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11:27<eldowan>rpetre: will do.
11:27<violetta>im violetta
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11:39<serlli>tu madre
11:40<serlli>que te vallas
11:40<bja>!es-social isi
11:40<dpkg>isi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:40<rpetre>oh :)
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11:40<bja>hmm it should also work without a nick :(
11:40<rpetre>no, i used it in reverse
11:41<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
11:41<serlli>en españo andalu coño
11:41<babilen>isi, serlli ^^^^^^
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11:41<bja>!ubuntu-es serlli
11:41<dpkg>serlli: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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11:43<babilen>isi, serlli: stop it please
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11:51<sney>!es-social kerorin
11:51<dpkg>kerorin: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:51-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
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11:53<sney>Ganneff: it turns out they're all little kids
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11:53<bja>11 to 13 years old
11:54<bja>There is a sale on Spain of netbooks with ubuntu preinstalled :(
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11:54<muzy>But ubuntu is not debian.
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11:54<sney>ubuntu's default xchat install includes debian servers in the server list. these kids probably just connect to all of them.
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11:55<muzy>So if someone has ubuntu he/she/it should maybe join an ubuntu channel to get help
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11:55<bja>there are a few that have learned how to use is. They now connect directly to other channels. To chat with their friends
11:55<sney>they're not joining for help, they're little kids joining a chat room to say "hola" and try to hang out with everyone
11:56<sney>they don't comprehend that IRC is for other things than that
11:56<muzy>that is hilarious
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11:56<rpetre>not after a while :(
11:56<bja>The first 20 or so, are kinda cute, the next one is a pain ...
11:57<muzy>Well in my honest opinion they should know what this channel is for when they entry
11:57<bja>Eres un pequeño desgraciado que no entiendes ni dos pepinos
11:57<bja>muzy: Do you know what the previous line says?
11:58<muzy>Not unless I paste it in google translator.
11:58<bja>There you go, the same happens to them
11:58<muzy>I can just guess what it means.
11:58<rpetre>undernet effect :)
11:59<sney>I don't understand what the cucumbers have to do with anything, bja
11:59<muzy>o.O the german Translation is weird
11:59<bja>sney: its a polite way of saying "you understand sh..."
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12:01<rpetre>can the ubuntu xchat maintainer be contacted to have the default config redirected to freenode/#ubuntu in the next release?
12:01<sney>ah, I thought maybe it was your version of dpkg's !confuse script
12:01<ml|>rpetre: sadly it has being done
12:02<sney>when you start xchat for the first time in ubuntu it just shows you the server list, like any other distro or even the windows one
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12:02<sney>maybe if they renamed "Debian servers" to "OFTC" in the server list it would drop off the first page, that could solve it
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12:02<sney>but I think they source a lot of their application debs from Debian sid and then mangle them
12:03<rpetre>oh, ok, then we just need to wait for the "bad" release to become obsolete
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12:04<torstefan>Hey. I'm trying to load a firmware into a usb-sound card. I use udev. and this is the rule for udev : ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="usb", DEVPATH=="/*.0", ENV{PRODUCT}=="763/2806/*", RUN+="/usr/local/sbin/madfuload -l -3 -f /usr/local/share/usb/maudio/ma006100.bin"
12:05<torstefan>But I don't know if it has loaded the module
12:05<torstefan>is there a way to find out?
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12:05<torstefan>or if it has loaded the firmware into the device
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12:06<torstefan>lsusb: Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0763:2806 Midiman M-Audio Transit DFU
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12:07<retrospectacus>torstefan: lsmod?
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12:10<torstefan>lsmod shows the modules in the system. I think the fw isn't loaded into the card, due to wrong address. Like: DEVPATH=="/*.0",
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12:11<torstefan>but dmesg tells me :usb 1-3.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0763, idProduct=2806
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12:14<torstefan>But there isn't a usbfs on my system. I get the error: Mar 9 16:38:59 pwwrpad madfuload: cannot open /proc/bus/usb/001/007: No such file or directory
12:15<torstefan>like my /proc/bus/usb is empty
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12:16<torstefan>and I get
12:16<torstefan>[1715][root@pwwrpad:~/Downloads/madfuload-1.2]$ mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb
12:16<torstefan>mount: unknown filesystem type 'usbdevfs'
12:16<torstefan>when I try doing it manual
12:16<Titan8990>your root prompt ends with "$"?
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12:18<torstefan>heh.. yeah.. you know the switch to make it switch when i go into root?
12:18<Titan8990>torstefan, its the PS1 env variable
12:18<ml|> .bashrc?
12:18<Titan8990>torstefan, /etc/profile or maybe /etc/bash/bashrc
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12:19<Titan8990>torstefan, what version of debian?
12:19<torstefan>Yeah, but I have a custom prompt. And the switch I use dosen't change that symbol
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12:20<ml|>torstefan: just change the prompt for root
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12:21<torstefan>yes, i can probably just to that. kiss :)
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12:37<sdk>When graphics people talk about "tearing" in video, to what are they referring? What is 'tearing'?
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12:37<rpetre>incomplete rendering of frames, iirc
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12:38<sdk>Oh, so when you're watchign video, it's like one frame is partially overlain on the previous frame and neither are clear?
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12:38<rpetre>when the bottom half of the frame lags visibly and you see "faults"
12:38<rpetre>something like that
12:38<rpetre>disclaimer: i'm no "graphics people" :)
12:38<sdk>I see, like a tear in the time continuoum.. got it.
12:39<rpetre>i visualize it more like a torn piece of paper
12:39<retrospectacus>lack of vertical sync - the video card starts drawing the next frame when it is available, instead of waiting til it is at the top of the screen again
12:40<sney>and then the monitor's refresh has to catch up
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12:41<sdk>Kk, got it. So, I'm experiencing massive amounts of tearing with the ati drivers. and lag. excellent. Hopefully, knowing the name for the problem is some portion of having it solved, or at least one hopes.
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12:42<sdk>or rather the xorg-server-ati driver(s).
12:42<rpetre>some may argue the name of the problem is "ati card" :D
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12:43<sdk>rpetre: tht may be the case, but I can't afford to buy another card, so I'm sort of stuck.
12:43<rpetre>yeah, i know, it was just a warning and a stupid joke :)
12:43<ml|>nvidia is not much better ;)
12:43<sdk>Just out of curiosity, other than Nvidia and ATI, what other possibilities are there?
12:43<paultag>sdk, a working 20 dollar card is better then a bricked 3000 dollar card
12:44<sdk>None, yes?
12:44<paultag>sdk, Intel :)
12:44<sdk>paultag: agreed, for sure.
12:44<paultag>sdk, that happened when I first switched
12:44<rpetre>sdk: depends for what, intel cards got pretty decent lately
12:44<ml|>only if intel made cards
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12:47<sdk>My wife bought me a Radeon HD 4890 for Christmas, and it's been giving me nothing but problems since. I even went to so far as to try building the ATI catalyst drivers, but Xorg 7.5 is not supported. This is challenging.
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12:47<paultag>sdk, ahhh yes, they changed the driver spec IIRC, and it bricked the nonfree drivers, nvidia fixed theirs, but ati is still broken IIRC. We were dealing with getting this straight with Ubuntu 9.04
12:48<rpetre>hm, and you can't change it, cause it would offend the mrs... tough...
12:48<sdk>Heh, I've even considered going to Ubuntu just to try the drivers.
12:49<paultag>sdk, they are the same as Debian testing :)
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12:49<paultag>sdk, we pull from Testing / Unstable ( 10.04 is a LTS -- Testing ) every 6 months, and stabilize
12:50<sdk>rpetre: not a matter of that, it's a matter of I can't return it now, been too long, and we don't have the cash to get another, unless I get an uber el-cheapo. I might just use the old card for a month and hope someone catches up.
12:50<rjent>Greetings, looking for help with apt-cacher, :3142/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages 403 Access to cache prohibited
12:50<michi7x7>how can i use grub-legacy with the grub-legacy "stage1"-file?
12:50<michi7x7>i need it for dmraid
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12:50<paultag>sdk, hold on a sec, let me see if I can find something
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12:51<sdk>btw, in case anyone was wondering, my nick is not for Sys Dev Kit, it's initials. A developer I am not. :)
12:52<sdk>paultag: Thanks! Take whatever tiem you need. I'm here until 3 and then from 4 until 6 EST. :) then again all day tomorrow.
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12:53<paultag>sdk, never takes that long :P
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12:54<paultag>sdk, OK. We had enough 12 year olds complain about Ubuntu not supporting their card. There is a package that _should_ work, but is totally untested ( because aforementioned bug reporters are 12 )
12:55<sdk>I'm neither 12, nor inexperienced. I've written some bug reports in my time. Feed me, Sir.
12:55<paultag>sdk, good good :)
12:55<paultag>sdk, this is against an old version of Ubuntu --
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12:56<ml|>just one thing, this it not ubuntu tho
12:56<paultag>ml|, nope
12:56<paultag>ml|, but the dsc can be built against debian
12:56<paultag>ml|, it's tragic when debian folk disregard ubuntu fixes.
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12:56<sdk>If there's a way to hack together Ubu -> Deb, I'll figure it out.
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12:56<sdk>I'm nothing if not tenacious.
12:57<paultag>sdk, they have about a 80% shot of being all OK, but there are always differences
12:57<paultag>sdk, most of the ubuntu packages are rebranded debian
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12:57<bja>Gentlemen, I believe this discussion is ot. Please.
12:58<sdk>paultag: understood. I've often used Ubu debs in Deb and Deb debs in Ubu. well, not often, but ..
12:58<sdk>bja, ml| sorry, and understood.
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12:58<bja>sdk: np
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13:03<paulg>Hi! I'm using Debian Sid and since about 1 week I don't have sound anymore.. Do you have the same problem?
13:03<paultag>paulg, nope, but I like your name, so let's get you some help. What are you using, pulse, alsa, oss, what?
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13:04<paulg>thx, I like your name too :) . I quite good at adminitring debian but I have absolutly no skills about sound..
13:05<paulg>I have test all this backends with vlc, and nothing works
13:06<paultag>Righto. What backends paulg?
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13:06<paulg>pulseaudio, alsa and oss
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13:07<paultag>paulg, pop open alsamixer, and check that all the volume levels are high
13:07<paultag>paulg, I spent two days debugging and recompiling my sound drivers to find I had it muted
13:07<paulg>it's all ok, and nothing is muted
13:07<paultag>paulg, OK.
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13:08<paulg>It looks to be a low level problem..
13:08<paultag>paulg, OK
13:08<paultag>`lspci | grep -i audio`
13:08<paulg>00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
13:09<paultag>I have the 82801G :)
13:09<paulg>it's close :)
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13:09<paultag>paulg, should be the same driver
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13:10<paulg>yes, do you know the name?
13:10<paultag>paulg, no, I'm looking it up now
13:10<paulg>to see if I have it loaded
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13:11<paultag>snd_hda_intel <-- I think
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13:11<paulg>snd_hda_intel 18147 7
13:11<paulg>I have it
13:11<paultag>do you have a SNP kernel?
13:12<paulg>smp yes
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13:13<paultag>paulg, cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
13:14<paulg>Codec: SigmaTel STAC9205
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13:14<paulg>Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
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13:14<AnnaBanz> do my boobs look small?
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13:15<rafael_>someone could take a look to the Release of ?
13:15<paultag>One sec paulg
13:16<paulg>paultag, ok thx again
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13:17<paultag>paulg, what box is yours?
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13:17<paultag>Dell (unknown)
13:17<paultag>Dell Precision
13:17<korya>привет всем ...
13:17<paultag>Dell Inspiron
13:17<paultag>Keep EAPD on (e.g. Gateway T1616)
13:17<paulg>Dell vostro 1700
13:17<paultag>paulg, is the dell-m42 module loaded?
13:18<paulg>no, but have one called "dell_laptop"
13:18<paultag>paulg, no dell-m4*
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13:19<paulg>no I had done that "lsmod|grep dell"
13:19<paultag>paulg, OK.
13:20<paultag>paulg, can you try loading dell-m43 ?
13:20<paulg>and I can't load it, it's not found
13:20<paultag>sorry m42
13:20<paultag>paulg, any of them?
13:20<paultag>Interesting, those are all the drivers that use the STAC9205/9254 set
13:20<paulg>paultag, the bash autocompletion doesn't find anythind like that
13:20<paultag>paulg, long shot, what about eapd
13:20<paultag>paulg, OK
13:21<paulg>what is it? a module?
13:21<paultag>paulg, yeah
13:22<paulg>no, nothing begining by ea*
13:22<paultag>paulg, cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/info
13:22<paulg>it's weird!
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13:22<paultag>paulg, anything with something that looks like a manufacturer string
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13:22<paulg>paultag, id: STAC92xx Analog
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13:23<paultag>paulg, OK let me dump you a list
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13:23<paulg>paultag, OK
13:24<paultag>paulg, from the ALSA documentation --
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13:24<prahal>is there a debian channel for emulation (ie building packages for other archs ?)
13:25<paultag>paulg, then set it in the /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf file
13:25<paultag>e.g. "options snd-hda-intel model=MODEL"
13:25<paultag>paulg, I have to run, hopefully that works, if not just idle :)
13:25<prahal>for example I need an initrd for a kernel not for the architecture I am under . As the initramfs is generated automaticall yon install I don't know how I could get it without the arch ?
13:26<paulg>paultag, ok thx very much
13:26<paultag>paulg, sure thing. Hope that works!
13:26<paulg>paultag, me too ;)
13:26<Titan8990>!cross compile
13:26<Titan8990>!listkeys compile
13:26<dpkg>Factoid search of 'compile' by key (15 of 35): #debian compile ;; #debian compile kernel ;; #debian kernel compile ;; 2.6_compile ;; _default compile ;; _default compile wlan-ng ;; _default hurd-compile ;; _default precompiled kernel modules ;; bytecompile ;; compile c ;; compilercache ;; crosscompiler ;; linux compile ;; nvidia compiler fix ;; package recompile.
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13:27<bja>Titan8990: /msg the bot please, less spam on the channel :)
13:27<prahal>no cross compilation fails due to deb-gencontrol requiring to be on the arch
13:27<prahal>and I was told cross compilation is not supported by debian thus it is unlikely tobe workedaround
13:28<ikarus>you might want to look at emdebian
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13:28<ikarus>one of their project goals is support for crosscompiling .deb's
13:28<prahal>so the thing I want to compile is a kernel and I need another kernel and its initramfs for the same arch to be able to build it via qemubuilder
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13:29<ikarus>prahal: make-kpkg does support cross compiling
13:29<prahal>I already tried to build the kernel with emdebian . ie it builds fine but fails at deb-gencontrol while trying to package it
13:30<amitz>is next debian plant to stay with openbsd-inet or move to xinetd?
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13:31<prahal>ikarus, and the kernel also have a deb target ... this would be a short term workaround . The kernel I grabbed from alioth pkg-fso already have a debian dir with a rule . Only this rule only works when on the arch or in qemu
13:32<ikarus>prahal: yup, but make-kpkg works on a plain kernel source (without debian/ dir) and yes, it produces .deb's
13:32<prahal>ie I already have a custom cross compiled kernel . Only I try to use the alioth one build with its rules as it contains specific commands (those I could do by hand but would ends up behing weird in the long run
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13:34<prahal>ok then I go with my own custom kernel for monthes to come ? ie this alioth kernel is heavely patched
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13:34<prahal>and I would like the patch and to stay in sync with its repo
13:35<ikarus>prahal: it isn't heavily patched
13:35<ikarus>and you can take the Debian kernel, remove the debian/ dir after applying any patches still in it
13:35<ikarus>then use make-kpkg to build it
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13:36<prahal>ok I ll take a third look at it ... though it makes the debian packaging from alioth totally useless
13:37<prahal>and I still won't be able to use qemubuilder :/
13:37<prahal>for other needs that is
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13:37<vhann>Sorry to bother you guys, but I'm in a hurry: does someone know how to test if a BASH script is run in the background or not (namely if using 'read' will cause the script to stop or not)? Checking for 'i' in '$-' and checking if PS1 is set don't work?
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13:38<babilen>vhann: try #bash @ too
13:38<vhann>babilen: Thanks, I'll check
13:39<bja>vhann: ps -AF|grep your_script__name
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13:39<Titan8990>babilen, i think both .org and ,net work
13:39*Titan8990 goes to check
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13:39<Titan8990>babilen, yep, both will resolve properly
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13:41<vhann>bja: I don't think there will be any difference using ps between './script and ./script &'
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13:41<babilen>ah - great. Seems as if i treat TLDs as an ordered set .org - .edu - ... - .com and my fingers like typing .org ;)
13:42<bja>vhann: I missinterpreted your question
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13:42<vhann>bja: Thanks for trying nonetheless ;)
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13:44<chrono24>hello, is there any way to know when a package will go from testing to stable ?
13:44<currito>q soi español
13:44<babilen>chrono24: no
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13:44<ml|>!es-social currito
13:44<dpkg>currito: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:45<babilen>chrono24: If you are interested about the reasons that keep a package from going into testing check the PTS
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13:45<prahal>ikarus, do you know the pkg-fso team ? cause CONFIG_JFFS2_FS is set to '' instead of 'y' . I ll report though if it could get fixed faster , the better I believe
13:46<babilen>chrono24: The reason is, that you can never be sure when a bug will be fixed and when other transitions of dependend packages are scheduled
13:47<ml|>well, there is one way; when testing becomes stable
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13:50<themill>chrono24: packages never go from "testing" to "stable" until a new stable release is made once every year or two
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13:56<interbird>I just f**cked up mu sid-update due to low diskspace. X hangs. I can boot to console. What's the best cli-command to get it right? apt-get or aptitude? (i made space)
13:56<drewdavis>Never aptitude in sid.
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13:57<interbird>kee, any reason why not?
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13:57<ml|>just retry the update/upgrade; hopefully it will just work
13:57<chrono24>ok tks
13:58<Titan8990>!why aptitude
13:58<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
13:58<bja>!tell interbird why not aptitude
13:58<ml|>I prefer aptitude, but too each thier own
13:58<bja>!tell interbird about why not aptitude
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13:59<retrospectacus>interbird: apt-get -f install
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14:03<interbird>gonna go with apt-get; all packages were downloaded but during installation the disk went out-of-space; apt-get update or apt-get -f install as retrospectacus proposes... (?)
14:03<chrono24>Ohh I see, thanks for the info
14:04<drewdavis>That's an over-view of the issues with aptitude in Sid. Some people choose to use it anyway. Personally, I prefer apt-get even on stable, but to each their own.
14:04<bja>!tell peter_ about de
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14:05<ml|>drewdavis: sidux is not sid
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14:06<drewdavis>It's a binary compatable pre-configured desktop based on sid. The aptitude vs. apt-get arguement applies equally to both.
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14:07<interbird>thanks for the replies; gonna try some; (tao-doc of 512MB? almost a cd of documentation? wtf...)
14:07<Titan8990>why must people treat forums as a community documentation location.... haven't people heard of wikis
14:07<themill>drewdavis: the reasoning there is nonsense. 99+% of the time, aptitude will work out what to do correctly while apt-get will just give up and leave you wondering what to do. In the remaining 1% of the time, you can manually steer aptitude more easily with the interactive resolver than you can fix problems using apt-get.
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14:08<canis>how do i use this thing?
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14:08<canis>vsayer, are you a bot?
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14:08<bja>!tell canis about irc tutorial
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14:10<ml|>based on does not equal sid
14:10<drewdavis>themill: Look, I'm trying to start another round of the aptitude vs. apt-get flame war. I shouldn't have said never, but there are good reasons to stick with apt in a rolling distro.
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14:14<canis>how do i join a channel when all i've got is a url for it?
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14:15<canis>can anyone tell me?
14:15<canis>don't be afraid ... :-)
14:15<drewdavis>ml|: And access to a newer kernel and a colorful init script don't make sidux different enough from sid to just toss out their findings.
14:16<ml|>that's your view
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14:17<ml|>it's still not debian/sid
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14:31<prahal>found out : DEB_HOST_ARCH=armel should be appended for to build cross compiled packages
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14:31<prahal>the same way one can build a versatile kernel for qemubuilder
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14:32<bahamat>can someone point me to instructions on building THE debian kernel, and all associated stuff (modules, etc)? I know how to build A kernel with make-kpkg, but I want exactly the debian one, but I want to tweak one minor thing.
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14:34<ml|>bahamat: just cp /boot/config- then
14:34<bahamat>ml|: it doesn't work that way
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14:35<bahamat>user52562: that wasn't what I'm looking for
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14:35<ml|>"but I want exactly the debian one, but I want to tweak one minor thing" and then just change what you need
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14:35<bahamat>ml|: because that doesn't give me EXACTLY the debian kernel
14:36<ml|>how does it not?
14:36<Titan8990>!kernel compile
14:36<dpkg>i guess kernel compile is To (re)build the official kernels, see ; for personal kernel packages it is simpler to just use <make-kpkg>
14:37<bahamat>the stock debian kernel includes several patches, plus there are several independent modules that link to it. I want to generate all of that myself
14:37<babilen>bahamat: ^^^^
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14:37<bja>!tell bahamat about debian kernel
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14:38<bahamat>babilen: yes, that's closer to what I was looking for, thanks
14:38<ml|>ah, ok you want more than just .config
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14:39<interbird>apt-get install -f does not work; apt-get upgrade also not; both recommend dpkg --configure -a but the last complains about /etc/defoma/hints/bla bla bla must be followed by a colon. Cannot uninstall or purge because the repository is broken. Any way to fix this ? (sid)
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14:40<babilen>interbird: First: don't use sid. Second: Paste the output to a pastebin and tell us what you've done so far and how YOU ended up in this mess. Note that sid is not officially supported in here
14:40<ml|>the kernel-handbook is great for that
14:40<babilen>!tell interbird -about why aptitude
14:41<babilen>interbird: Check the BTS for applicable information too
14:41<interbird>babilen: I use sid because Lenny and Testing are broken on Intel i8/9x; I just need a good fix command.
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14:41<interbird>i know it exists
14:42<babilen>It's hard to help you without more information though
14:42<dondelelcaro>interbird: you need to give us the complete output
14:42<babilen>interbird: And how is Lenny/Testing broken on i8?
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14:43<interbird>babilen: crashing X (hard hang)
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14:43<interbird>mostly when using ctrl-alt-fx
14:44<interbird>dpkg parse error: /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0194 near line 0
14:44<dpkg>interbird: no idea
14:44<babilen>interbird: stab in the dark:
14:45<babilen>interbird: Paste the *complete* output to a pastebin
14:45<drewdavis>Shouldn't that be apt-get -f install? Not apt-get install -f.
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14:46<interbird>babilen: yeh, i suspected that too, because linux-mint 8 also has the same hanging behaviour and that distro has KMS enabled too
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14:47<interbird>drewdavis: nope, still same response -- dpkg --configure -a which complains about ^ (near line 0)
14:47<interbird>gues i must delete some incomplete files...
14:48<babilen>interbird: *paste* *complete* *output* *to* *a* *pastebin* (e.g.
14:48<interbird>what idiot configured mc to use nano instead of it's internal editor?
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14:50<muzy>no idea
14:50<muzy>it sucks
14:50<interbird>babilen: no can do; i'm in text-console on a wire on that box; don't want to type all this shit over; gonna figure it out, thanks !
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14:51<sig_wall>using external editor is default mc setting
14:51<interbird>it was not
14:51<interbird>and the fool that changed it should be shot
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14:52<user52562>explort EDITOR="mcedit"
14:52<ml|>interbird: you can use pastebinit or if you have gpm to paste using a text browser
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14:52<interbird>i know all that; we are talking about using mc "out of the box" WITHOUT having to make any changes to get it USABLE
14:53<ml|>interbird: or even just use screen to copy in paste if you can install anyhting right now
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14:54<interbird>ml|: not looking for ways to paste stuff; either my problem can get solved in this channel or not; just looking to get dpkg or apt-get up again...
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14:54<ml|>interbird: ok, good luck
14:55<bja>interbird: take a break to figure things out and look at your notes on what have you done to restore things, sometimes the answear is just there
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14:57<sig_wall>interbird: you may file a ticket on
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14:58<sig_wall>or debian bugzilla..
14:58<interbird>bja: i like your suggestion. cool. but i just layed my problem here and nobody has suggested this file (at line 0) might be empty and should be deleted so dpkg will not bark at parsing this null-file. thanks anyway :-)
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14:59<rafael>i need to give experimental repo more priority than testing repo
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15:00<interbird>rafael: don't mix repositories
15:00<ml|>interbird: without the full output on your issue hard for anyone to help you
15:00<rafael>interbird: I really want to do it
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15:01<interbird>ml|: the full output i gave, typing it over ^
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15:01<bja>interbird: If there is no full output (facts) don't expect people in the channel to figure out your problem. Anything they say will be total speculation maybe causing more harm than good.
15:01<ml|>rafael: experimental is not a repo
15:01<themill>dpkg: tell rafael about experimental
15:01<interbird>ml|: problem was dpkg barked at parsing a 0-length file
15:02<ml|>interbird: you are not reading what all have said, good luck
15:02<babilen>interbird: run the command we requested the output of and pipe it into "|pastebinit -b" it will paste it for you
15:03<Vyrus001>i get the following err when starting x with the intel driver
15:03<Vyrus001>/usr/bin/X: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv
15:03<rafael>ok, i am currently chatting from irssi in a tty terminal, i want to install KDE 4.4.1 directly and I need some packages from experimental
15:03<ml|>rafael: wait untill they enter sid
15:03<rafael>ml|: thnaks, but i dont want to wait
15:03<Vyrus001>im 60% sure its a drm problem (libdrm2 issue) just not sure how to fix it, intel gm45 i915 laptop
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15:06<interbird>babilen: it stderr that has to be piped
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15:07<fredz>I have a problem viewing streaming video. The file will show in totem, it will show on a windows client, but will not show in epiphany or iceweazel. what am I looking for to resolve this?
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15:09<babilen>fredz: You need to install a suitable plugin. totem-mozilla or mozilla-plugin-vlc come to mind
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15:10<babilen>interbird: a little tip: "2>&1
15:10<drewdavis>Older bug, but is that similar to what you're seeing?
15:10<babilen>interbird: will redirect stderr to stdout in bash
15:10<Vyrus001>drewdavis: yea did that
15:10<Vyrus001>didnt solve my problem
15:11<Vyrus001>drewdavis: incomin pastebin of ldd for the driver
15:11<paulg>paultag: I've solved my problem! As I said, I don't know anything about sound managment and the solution was very stupid: "adduser paulg audio"
15:12<babilen>interbird: You could also redirect the complete output to a file and pastebin that "cmd &> file ; pastebinit file"
15:12<babilen>interbird: good luck
15:12<interbird>babilen: yeah, but that not work, also, pastebinit is not installed and i cannot install it due to the broken repo. But i tracked the problem to the empty file (i hope). Much obliged for your help.
15:12<interbird>s/that/that does/
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15:14<paulg>paultag: thx for the usefull commands you teach me
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15:17<michi7x7>what's exactly the meaning of grubs error 15 in stage1.5, i mean: which file is "not found", and what are possible reasons
15:17<Titan8990>michi7x7, usually a misconfiguration in menu.lst, or your kernel image is actually missing
15:18<interbird>babilen: got dpkg --configure -a running; deleted the incomplete files dpkg barked on; so the essence of my problem was incomplete files due to lack of diskspace that dpkg barked on while parsing. Next time this happens i'll have pastebinit installed. Thanks for the help.
15:18<michi7x7>Titan8990, but grub never enters its menu
15:18<Titan8990>!reinstall grub
15:18<dpkg>See Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/ Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>
15:18<Titan8990>michi7x7, then it probably can't find menu.lst
15:18<michi7x7>Titan8990, guess what i'm doing the last 2 hours...
15:19<Titan8990>trying to reinstall grub?
15:19<michi7x7>Titan8990, im using dmraid, so i really need infos which step fails
15:19<babilen>interbird: good to hear that.
15:19<michi7x7>otherweise i'll never find the error...
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15:20<Titan8990>michi7x7, reinstall grub
15:20<michi7x7>i've been trying this about 30 times now...
15:20<retrospectacus>do you have windows?
15:21<michi7x7>inside chroot'ed debian, inside live-cd, with new grub, with old grub
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15:21<michi7x7>i managed to get it working using the old one a few times before (without bigger problems)
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15:21<michi7x7>retrospectacus, yes, but linux+bootloader are both on the first partition
15:22<michi7x7>the menu.lst is correct, and installing grub using the grub-shell succeeds...
15:23<drewdavis>Vyrus001: I'm really not sure. Is this a new install?
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15:24<Titan8990>michi7x7, is /boot part of the raid?
15:24<michi7x7>that's the problem
15:24<michi7x7>but i got it working several times now...
15:24<Titan8990>grub1 may have some limitations on its ability to boot a /boot on a raid
15:25<michi7x7>it's loading kernel+initrd using bios-features, isn't it?
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15:26<michi7x7>Titan8990, why did you say "grub1 may have limits", grub2 isn't even able to handle raids...
15:27<interbird>The only thing i want to know now is the name, age, place of birth and sofi-number of this dude that thought using Midnight Commander was easier by configuring it by default to use an external editor (Nano) and setting half-tabs to true. This guy is either a dinasaur or completely devoted to nano.
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15:28<retrospectacus>I thought is uses your $EDITOR env.
15:28<interbird>is that so?
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15:28<michi7x7>Titan8990, btw: ubuntu can handle this raids out of the box, and i'm using the same grub-version as the install-cd i used there
15:28<interbird>then who changed that setting???????
15:28<Vyrus001>drewdavis: nope
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15:29<retrospectacus>it's up to the user, you set it to whatever you want in .bashrc or someplace
15:29<drewdavis>Have you tried to dpkg-reconfigure the driver?
15:29<retrospectacus>I don't really know, I don't use mc
15:30<fredz>babilen: I installed all mozilla plugins, now the video shows in iceweasel but not in epiphany. Any thoughts about that?
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15:31<michi7x7>how can i perform a "grub-quick-check" ?
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15:32<interbird>retrospectacus: From 2000 to until about 2008 mc used it's internal editor in almost every distro; So you are saying all these distro's changed their $EDITOR env-var? Or Debian derived ones? No matter, configuring mc or the $EDITOR to use nano is a BAD move after 8 years of having mcedit as the default. BAD !!
15:32<interbird>i'm angry about that, because i'm handicapt out-of-the box now when using mc.
15:33<ml|>interbird: either upstream changed that or debian dev did
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15:33<michi7x7>finally got it working
15:33<drewdavis>Vyrus001: Also, I'm assuming stable -> testing, correct?
15:33<retrospectacus>ok... I would guess that mc decided to use $EDITOR instead of mcedit
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15:34<retrospectacus>the distros didn't change, mc did
15:34<ml|>makes sense to use $EDITOR
15:34<Vyrus001>drewdavis: squeese
15:35<Vyrus001>just did an apt-get dest-upgrade is all
15:35<interbird>retrospectacus: plausible explanation; but nobody seemed to care about the impact then; bad.
15:35<Vyrus001>everything went fine except this
15:35<Vyrus001>drewdavis: also in that post... hes looking for the sym drmCheckModesettingSupported, my err does not say what sym, it just says sym not found
15:36<retrospectacus>interbird: if you don't like nano, you should set your $EDITOR to something else like vi or mcedit. Lots of apps use $EDITOR - less and svn to name 2
15:36<babilen>fredz: Not really - works here with totem-mozilla ;-\
15:36<Titan8990>retrospectacus, update-alternatives --list editor
15:37<retrospectacus>ah it's an alternative not a env.var ?
15:37<retrospectacus>I have ed, vim and nano as alternatives
15:37<ml|>you can do either
15:38<Titan8990>retrospectacus, that will change the sensible-editor which a more debian way of doing it than $EDITOR
15:38<Titan8990>either way is fine
15:38<Titan8990>you will find most applications with call $EDITOR, not sensible-editor
15:39<interbird>retrospectacus: I know al that; it's just that for 8 years mc worked on ever distro, from Debian to Suse, with it's internal editor. So, what caused the change that it now uses Nano. That's idiotic since much cli-ers use mc and now have to customize it before getting it to work as it used to. The English say: "Never change a winning team".
15:39<ml|>$EDITOR is better if you happen to use different distros
15:39<Titan8990>retrospectacus, and it sounds like you forgot to install emacs :p
15:39<themill>interbird: have you worked out why, checked for bugs and done something positive about it yet? Or are you just going to bitch and moan for another hour or so?
15:40<Vyrus001>drewdavis: ok wait... im a nub... didnt get the entire err msg
15:40<retrospectacus>interbird: what caused it, is that the mc devs decided to respect the user's $EDITOR choice instead of imposing mcedit on them
15:40<ml|>!win $EDITOR
15:40<dpkg>Congratulations, $EDITOR! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!!
15:41<Vyrus001>drewdavis: undefined symbol: drm_intel_bol_disable_reuse
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15:43<interbird>themill: i have not worked out why quite yet. i have no positive input yet also. i've done my bitching which, i must say, gives some relieve. i know i should turn this positive but it's nice to blast about some irritation. thanks for your angle, you're right.
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15:44<themill>interbird: please send your complaints to /dev/null where they will be much better appreciated.
15:44<michi7x7>themill, i'd prefer /dev/zero
15:44<interbird>/dev/null is out of space
15:44<michi7x7>interbird, send it to /dev/urandom, as this will answer ;D
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15:45<interbird>michi7x7: why spoils the answer surprise... :-)
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15:46<drewdavis>Vyrus001: I got nothing. And google has nothing too.
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15:48<drewdavis>Vyrus001: This is unlikely, but try moving /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old and startx. HAL might be able find problem.
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15:49<michi7x7>damn, my partition-table is unclean
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15:50<interbird>bja: unclean partition-table? you mean file-system?
15:50<Vyrus001>drewdavis: ok the issue is my
15:50<michi7x7>i mean partition-table
15:50<interbird>or, out-of-order entries?
15:50<michi7x7>i'm using dmraid
15:50<Vyrus001>drewdavis: there are a bunch of other symbols in there that are simalar and the one its looking for isnt there
15:51<Vyrus001>so im not sure why that lib does not match, but thats where the issue is
15:51<michi7x7>/dev/mapper/XYZ_OS has the correct part-table
15:51<Vyrus001>hopefully this isnt an actual bug <_<
15:51<michi7x7>but /dev/mapper/XYZ_OS1 not
15:51<michi7x7>so i can't reinstall debian without running into problems
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15:52<interbird>you could dump them to hex and do a diff or so, and use a hd-tool to see wich one is current?
15:53<michi7x7>/dev/mapper/XYZ_OS1 represents one partition
15:53<michi7x7>but the installer don't recognizes that
15:53<interbird>and XYZ_OS is a mirror of that one ?
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15:53<michi7x7>XYZ_OS is the whole raid-disk
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15:53<michi7x7>and XYZ_OS1 is one part
15:54<michi7x7>like /dev/sda and /dev/sda1
15:54<michi7x7>but the installer doesn't get that
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15:54<michi7x7>every other partition is working as expected
15:54<michi7x7>only this one not
15:55<drewdavis>Vyrus001: I'm not seeing any bug reports about it, other then the one I posted earlier. Unless someone else here has an answer it'd probably be worth reporting.
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15:55<interbird>what's the "unclean" message?
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15:55<michi7x7>there is no "unclean" message
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15:55<michi7x7>but XYZ_OS1 doesn't behave as it should
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15:55<Vyrus001>drewdavis: yea sadly... im going to check to see if the sid verion of the lib is newer, perhaps it has just not been rolled yet
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15:56<Vyrus001>if that works then atleast ill have a fix, otherwise im going to have to just be stuck in vesa till they port a fix <_<
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15:56<interbird>i would boot from a live-cd and check...
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15:57<interbird>(if there would be any pr0n on it :-)
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16:00<Vyrus001>drewdavis: damnit... yea sid has the same version
16:00<Vyrus001>downloaded the deb and extracted to grep the lib for the sym
16:00<Vyrus001>not in there
16:00*Vyrus001 cries
16:01<Vyrus001>i RLY dont wana submit a bug report... a) ive never done that before and b) its a CRAP ton of work gathering all the log info and proof <_<
16:02<michi7x7>interbird, yes there is...
16:02<michi7x7>i will simply create the partition-table new
16:03<michi7x7>then there should be few problems
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16:03<flipflop>I have two laptops and one external disk (with debian), that disk work fine for each laptop (same S.O. in the same hd)
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16:04<interbird>i would dd the first 100MB's to an image or so...
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16:05<interbird>and use a live cd
16:05<flipflop>but I have a problem with the compatibility between graphics card
16:05<flipflop>laptop1 have a intel and laptop2 a nvidia
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16:06<flipflop>the problem is that intel card load nvidia-glx module!!!
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16:07<interbird>look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf for that; if no card specifies there, google for xorg.conf examples and adjust them to your needs.
16:08<flipflop>but the extarnal disk work in two laptop with two graphic card (intel and nvidia)
16:09<flipflop>in the external disk i have the S.O.
16:09<interbird>S.O. ?
16:09<interbird>Software Override ? :-)
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16:10<amphi>significant other?
16:10<flipflop>O.S. (in spanish Sistema Operativo XD)
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16:11<flipflop>in the external disk i have the O.S.
16:11<adb>debian ?
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16:12<flipflop>with lenny
16:12<mib_ggfe1t>How's works Debian 6?
16:12<flipflop>and both boot with that (Debian 5.0 lenny)
16:13<mib_ggfe1t>I'm not try now debian 6, but I want to know, how it's works
16:14<flipflop>the question is "how I force that laptop-intel load intel-glx module?"
16:14<flipflop>but now laptop-intel load nvidia-glx module
16:15<flipflop>even when laptop-intel load intel-graphic module...
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16:15<ml|>mib_ggfe1t: there is no debian 6
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16:16<interbird>For what it's worth, after updating my sid-system is more dead than ever; even console is not working. For now it's not sid but shit. Gonna take bja's advice and look a little harder a little more closely :-)
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16:19<ml|>the joys of sid ;)
16:19<interbird>hehe :-)
16:20<locklace>!broken in sid
16:20<dpkg>well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. see sid
16:21<flipflop>any idea ?
16:21<flipflop>good bye!
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16:22<interbird>pitty lenny is broken on i8/9x graphics cards
16:23<interbird>but maybe squeeze will ehh, squeeze that out...
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16:30<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement
16:30<michi7x7>nice bot, guys ;D
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16:33<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
16:33<dpkg>you're michi7x7 you donkey!
16:33<michi7x7>is there anything, this bot can't tell you?
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16:33<dpkg>i heard google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. Its website can be found at Ask me about <gmail>, <googleearth>, <chromium>.
16:34<michi7x7>and wtf are theese infos?
16:34<ml|>michi7x7: /msg dpkg selftell
16:35<dpkg>rumour has it, woman is a great package but it doesnt come with Howto-seven with documentation, or an Emacs addon for browsing manpages.
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16:35<michi7x7>ml|, selftell is buggy O_o
16:35<michi7x7>try it
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16:36<ml|>no it's not
16:36<michi7x7>i thought it would tell me something about itself
16:37<amphi>!tell michi7x7 -about msg the bot
16:37<ml|>michi7x7: /msg dpkg msg the bot
16:37<michi7x7>i've allready been chatting the bot directly for the last 10 minutes ;D
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16:38<interbird>gonna dive into some stale bits, cya guys 'n bots...
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16:44<michi7x7>who, dpkg fails :D
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16:45<bremner>michi7x7: the point is the rest of us are not as excited about the bot, so you could play with /query, and not bother anyone.
16:45<michi7x7>i like it
16:46<ml|>not here tho
16:46<amphi>michi7x7: you misphrased your query; /msg dpkg cthulhu
16:46<michi7x7>somebody should teach "him" what "god" means
16:47<ml|>no need
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16:58<mixter_>hi! i'm having problems with http pipelining when installing lenny (apt downloads packages through our firewall which doesn't support pipelining) and wonder if i could turn it off during the installation.
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17:22<dpkg>i guess women is woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux :, or
17:22<dpkg>hmm... women is woman > 1, or HOWTO Encourage Women in Linux :, or
17:22<dpkg>google is probably a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. Its website can be found at See also <chromium>, <gmail>, <googleearth>.
17:23<ml|>timus: /msg dpkg ...
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17:23<vook>anyone know of a way to fix the nagging "SYSFS{}....please use ATTR{}= to match..." messages at boot ?
17:23<ml|>vook: what release?
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17:24<timus>vook, is that the wacom from xorg?
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17:24<vook>I've seen it in Lenny, now I'm in squeeze 2.6.32-trunk-686-bigmem. I've seen it with every kernel, custom or otherwise, that I've used for months now.
17:25<vook>it's a udev issue
17:26<ml|>I don't remember ever seen that
17:27<vook>It doesn't seem to cause any problems, but it definitely clutters up boot.
17:27<vook>using "quiet" doesn't eliminate ti
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17:30<vook>maybe it is related to wacom - I don't have one though.
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17:30<vook>hmm, I'm going to disable /etc/udev/rules.d/z60..wacom and see what happens.
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17:35<timus>is this what you are getting?
17:35<timus>Mar 7 16:58:58 debian5 udevd[254]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules:78
17:36<ml|>he left
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17:42<timus>ah ok..
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17:44<timus>ml|, i think we chatted yesterday
17:44<timus>just in case you are interested
17:44<timus>the issue with rubberband selection not working was due to the mouse driver that comes with vbox
17:44<mettao87>hi guys.. I have a problem with synaptic touchpad. I just installed debian testing and now I can't open files with double click on the touchpad. Can you help me? thanks.
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17:45<timus>or i should say the xorg.conf from lenny need to be changed in squeeze to make it to wokr
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17:45<ml|>timus: glad you figured it out, I did not think it was debian related
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17:46<timus>hmmm.... that smells like an xorg.conf issue mettao87
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17:47<mettao87>timus: I think the same. but I can't find the xorg.conf file. in /etc/X11/ there is not.
17:47<timus>i hear like xorg server should be smarter now... can u try to remove xorg.conf? xorg should try to guess your hardware
17:47<timus>oh i see
17:47<quaker66>timus, xorg.conf is not needed at all in squeeze
17:48<ml|>quaker66: most of the time, but some still need it when X can't get things right
17:48<timus>i should say, in most cases xorg.conf is not needed
17:48<quaker66>ml|, yes it was my case
17:48<timus>but you may need to have one depending on your hardware
17:48<quaker66>i had to run Xorg -configure to generate a xorg.conf and then nvidia-xconfig.
17:48<quaker66>because without it it ran just for nv driver, nvidia drivers require xorg.conf
17:48<ml|>yes, but it has gotten better
17:49<timus>mettao87, can you copy the synaptic section from your old xorg.conf?
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17:50<mettao87>I have not and old copy of xorg.conf. Debian squeeze is a new installation on my laptop, I formatted.
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17:51<quaker66>mettao87, just stop any running X instance and run "Xorg -configure" under root.
17:51<ml|>you have the needed package for that to work?
17:51<quaker66>it generates file "" in current folder.
17:51<quaker66>rename it to xorg.conf and move to /etc/X11
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17:53<timus>how can i paste here again? I can share synaptic config for xorg.conf
17:53<mettao87>sorry, which are the instance who use X?
17:53<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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17:53<ml|>mettao87: huh?
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17:54<quaker66>mettao87, if you use GDM as your login manager, just switch to console and run "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" under root.
17:54<quaker66>and the same for kdm or xdm or anything else. just replace the word in command.
17:54<Punisher>Hi, i'm trying to install Debian using a USB stick. I've had all sorts of problems until now when I got the debian-installer to boot from USB. But I noticed that the installer has changed, it needs to boot the cd-rom and cannot find my ethernet card. Very strange. How can I install debian manually?
17:54<Punisher>*mount the cd-rom
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17:55<locklace>Punisher: what version of debian
17:55<Punisher>I've tried both stable and testing
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17:55<quaker66>Punisher, easy. install unetbootin, download some debian iso, format the flash to fat32, run unetbootin, select "Debian" as distro, then "debian testing hd-media" or "debian stable hd-media" or whatever hd-media
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17:55<quaker66>let it make flash
17:55<quaker66>you will see some files.
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17:55<quaker66>on the flash
17:55<locklace>Punisher: try a backport installer image,
17:55<timus>metta could also check
17:55<quaker66>copy there the iso so it is there with the files
17:56<quaker66>and boot the flash
17:56<quaker66>easy ;)
17:56<Punisher>quaker66: It's just that, if I had the old installers everything would've work. Debian Live works for example, but can't install from live.
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17:56<Punisher>locklace: Ok, i'll try that.
17:57<timus>all... in my daemon.log, i am getting the following
17:57<timus>Mar 7 16:58:58 debian5 udevd[254]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules:78
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17:58<quaker66>timus, it says what you must do ;)
17:58<quaker66>edit te file and replace SYSFS{} with that ATTR{} or ATTRS{}, based on what you need.
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17:58<quaker66>or install upgrades. it may solve automatically
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17:59<timus>quaker66, what do you mean by install upgrades? I just updated my squeeze this morning... no dice
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18:00<quaker66>hmm okay.
18:00<quaker66>timus, well, now it is just a warning the function is deprecated.
18:00<quaker66>i think there will be upgrade fixing it until new udev is in.
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18:01<timus>ok, how can i clean it up for now?
18:01<timus>use ATTR or ATTRS? not that i don't have have a wacom device
18:01<quaker66>just ignore it.
18:01<quaker66>for now
18:01<timus>i removed this a while back....
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18:01<quaker66>if you dont have wacom, you can safely remove that file imho :P
18:01<timus>via aptitude remove xserver-xorg-input-wacom
18:01<quaker66>and if it doesnt disappear, remove it manually
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18:02<timus>i did get rid of him
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18:02<timus>but it installed the next aptitude safe-upgrade
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18:03<dpkg>i haven't seen '*!*', alex-
18:03<timus>wow nice command
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18:03<ml|>use /msg dpkg ....
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18:55<jhutchins_lt>timus: you probably have something like xserver-xorg-input-all
18:55<timus>just cleaned it again...
18:55<timus>not it is gone...
18:55<timus>now* it is gone
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18:56<jhutchins_lt>timus: You can safely remove xserver-xorg-input-all to keep it from reinstalling.
18:57<timus>ok thanks!...
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18:57<timus>i did that too....
18:57<timus>removed xserver-xorg-input-all together with xserver-xorg-input-wacom
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19:15<cesurasean>Question: If i remove PHP 5.3.x, and install the older 5.2.x deb, will i need debs for modules, or can i install libapache2-mod-php5 php-pear php5 php5-cgi php5-cli php5-common php5-curl php5-dev php5-gd php5-idn php5-imap php5-mcrypt php5-memcache php5-ming php5-mysql php5-ps
19:15<cesurasean> php5-pspell php5-recode php5-snmp php5-sqlite php5-suhosin php5-tidy php5-xmlrpc php5-xsl phpmyadmin squirrelmail squirrelmail-locales squirrelmail-viewashtml
19:15<cesurasean>with apt?
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19:16<abrotman>cesurasean: why would you do that?
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19:17<cesurasean>Zend Optimizer install problem. doesn't support 5.3
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19:18<abrotman>shouldn't you complain to zend? hasn't php5.3 been out for ages ?
19:18<cesurasean>abrotman, the encoded php files have to be recoded with zend, since zend is built against 5.2
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19:18<cesurasean>don't believe zend has came out with 5.3 fix yet
19:18<abrotman>cesurasean: and why are you running a server on squeeze/sid ? is this a public server ?
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19:19<cesurasean>because I need SNI.
19:19*abrotman wants no part of this
19:20<abrotman>it's not funny
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19:20<cesurasean>why not?
19:21<cesurasean>the question is will i have problems with the php modules as well? no?
19:22<bja>cesurasean: If you are looking for trouble, expect to find it. :|
19:22<cesurasean>it is also possible to install 2 different versions of php, correct?
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19:22<quinque>@cesurasean: yes, you will. you've got to downgrade the whole php stuff
19:23<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
19:23<cesurasean>quinque, that is as i suspected. i believe it can be done though.
19:23<abrotman>cesurasean: please don't ask us how to screw up your box .. you're creating a *very* insecure situation ..
19:23<quinque>@bja: like it so
19:24<cesurasean>abrotman, what do you suggest i do about the zend issue, then?
19:24<abrotman>cesurasean: stop doing dumb things with your PHP files
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19:35<AnnaBanz> do my boobs look small?
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19:44<AnnaBanz> do my boobs look small?
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20:23<gsimmons>maxb: Late March or early April, after 4.0r9 is issued (/msg dpkg 4.0r9).
20:24<maxb>excellent, thanks
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21:08<icebrain>sam1000: hi
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21:09<sam1000>hi icebrain
21:10<burt_>would anyone know why my driver/net/tg3.c doesn't compile when i build the kernel. i sort of need tg3.ko.
21:11<lobby>somebody know how to calculate across spreedsheets in openoffice
21:11<abrotman>burt_: why are you compiling ?
21:12<burt_>i need root mounted via nfs
21:12<abrotman>lobby: there's a on .. but usually it's the same as excel
21:12<burt_>i thought i need CONFIG_ROOT_NFS set ..
21:13<sam1000>voip calls
21:13<burt_>the netinst kernel could not mount root via NFS, that's how this all started.
21:13<burt_>I wanted to recomplie to see if the problem was kernel configuration.
21:14<icebrain>!tell sam1000 about smart questions
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21:16<sam1000>icebrain have idea abt voip calls; help
21:17<icebrain>sam1000: do you want software to make voip calls?
21:17<abrotman>sam1000: you need to ask an actual question
21:17<sam1000>yes my frnd
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21:19<icebrain>sam1000: I heard nice thing about ekiga, but never tried it.
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21:20<burt_>is there a .config i need to force build of tg3.ko?
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21:21<sam1000>wht abt skype will it work
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21:22<burt_>it is CONFIG_TIGON3=m in some .configs .. but when to go to build, that line is removed by the build and tg3.c just sits there
21:22<burt_>so .. anyone into this level of detail?
21:22<icebrain>sam1000: yes, but it doesn't come with Debian. You have to download the packages from Skype website
21:22<ml|>burt_: /msg -OFTC dpkg tg3 ; might help
21:25<sam1000>i will try ekiga
21:25<ml|>sam1000: join #ubuntu on freenode
21:25<icebrain>sam1000: well, both should work, but skype isn't supported
21:26<sam1000>how to join on freenode
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21:27<ml|>sam1000: /server then /j #ubuntu
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21:32<icebrain>sam1000: what's your irc client?
21:32<sam1000>xchat i gess
21:33<abrotman>wait .. wrong person :)
21:33<ml|> CTCP VERSION reply from sam1000: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu
21:33<abrotman>sam1000: please in your irc client type "/server"
21:33<abrotman>icebrain: sorry
21:34<bremner>or pull down the XChat menu, select network list, and FreeNode
21:40<sam1000>looking up takin long time does???
21:41<ml|>should not take long
21:41<abrotman>or is it these days ?
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21:42<ml|>did change, but old should still work
21:42<ml|>sam1000: try what abrotman just typed
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21:44<sam1000>network is unreachable....?
21:46<sam1000>i gess i give try frm mint
21:47<ml|>sam1000: just keep in mind ubuntu and mint are not supported here; only debian
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21:48<sam1000>i gess u r right.
21:51<sam1000>thanks u guys for u r time.bye
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21:51<bremner>OT: has IPv6 address 2001:19f0:feee::dead:beef:cafe
21:52<abrotman>that was painful to watch ...
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21:55<hatoon>anybody here have compiled kde4.4.1 in debian?
21:56<abrotman>maybe you would do better to ask #kde on irc.freenodenet
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21:58<Roasted>dumb question - can you use sudo apt-get install commands in debian? Or do you have to log in as root first, then apt-get install? Just wondering if Ubuntu's sudo-scheme for commands works on Debian as well. Just curious.
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21:59<jmho>hi, I'm using sid and tried out debsums, it showed FAILED for three files (two man pages, one "ini" file), what should I do now?
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21:59<jmho>just ignore / report bugs / reinstall packages?
21:59<ml|>Roasted: have to install and setup sudo in debian, if you want to use sudo
21:59<Roasted>so it's possible - just not by default?
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21:59<ml|>right noy by default
22:00<Roasted>ah okay. thanks much.
22:00<kisscoolman>i'm really stuck, i'm looking for a solution for hours, anyone can help me please ?
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22:00<kisscoolman>it's about openvz, and proxmox
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22:00<kisscoolman>I just upgraded my proxmox version, but i can't load modules anymore
22:01<kisscoolman>(vz modules)
22:01<kisscoolman>I'm running into "Module not found" every time
22:01<kisscoolman>has anyone a clue to get back my modules ?
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22:11<kisscoolman>anyone ?
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22:13<burt_>i'm still here.
22:14<burt_>ok, just "make" at the root of the kernel tree.. maybe kg3.c will complie that way ..
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23:25<snogglethorpe>anyone know how to figure out whether opengl proggies are / are-supposed-to-be hardware-accelerated or not?
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23:26<sney>ldd might give you a clue
23:26<snogglethorpe>some 3d-using progs seem to run really quickly even with tons of triangles (e.g. "meshlab"), but some (e.g. blender), seem to be dog slow
23:27<snogglethorpe>that's on a radeon-7xx machine
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23:27<snogglethorpe>but on this intel-965 (?) machine, blender runs very fast
23:27<sney>there's something funky about the new xserver and fglrx
23:27<snogglethorpe>not using fglrx
23:27<sney>hm, well
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23:28<snogglethorpe>afaik, if you're using recent enough mesa/kernel/X, then even recent radeons have 3d accel
23:28<snogglethorpe>but it's never very clear _how_ recent that means...
23:28<sney>yes, though as I understand it the newer the card, the more shaky the support
23:28<sney>r700 is still pretty fresh
23:28<snogglethorpe>and different proggies having radically different performance seems odd
23:29<snogglethorpe>i'd expect all to be fast or all to be slow
23:29<sney>maybe radeonhd is emulating something in software that they haven't finished implementing yet
23:29<snogglethorpe>the version maze is so confusing...
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23:30<sney>doesn't help when basically wants you to be using -current
23:30<prem>hi all..
23:31<prem>why linux-image is coming as "trunk" in squeeze..?
23:31<prem>any specific reason for the previous stable versions it was named without trunk..
23:31<snogglethorpe>dunno, but it's kind of annoying since "trunk" sorts incorrectly with numeric versions in grub's default kernel selection...
23:32<snogglethorpe>prem: later versions are named differently so i imagine it was some temporary brain damage
23:32<sney>prem: it's just the name of the current 'testing' kernel but it'll change again before squeeze freezes
23:32<prem>sney, snogglethorpe yeah..but there is no sid version till now..
23:32<prem>thats why I was surprised..
23:33<sney>squeeze's 32-trunk is the same as sid's 32-4, iirc
23:33<sney>don't think about it too hard.
23:33<snogglethorpe>hm, trunk showed up in unstable first iirc
23:33<snogglethorpe>it's gone now since there are more recent versions
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23:59<tool>do you know of any software that can transfer files between two desktops?
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