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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-03-10

---Logopened Wed Mar 10 00:00:05 2010
00:00<tool>thanks
00:00<bja>np
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00:00<Sarahzz>http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268197248.jpg do my boobs look small?
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00:18<tool>is there a gui version of scp?
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00:25<skraps>tool: apt-cache search scp
00:26<skraps>tool: "apt-get install secpanel"
00:26<tool>k
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00:29<skraps>tool: i suggest chilling in the ubuntu channel on freenode, much better support over there
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00:52<lucien>po
00:55<snogglethorpe>hm, what I've seen of ubuntu support is 500 people all giving the wrong answer :O
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02:04<Chaos`Eternal>howto add default network interface configuration into a livecd?
02:05<Chaos`Eternal>i tried write a hook in config/chroot_local-hooks to overwrite /etc/network/interfaces
02:05<Chaos`Eternal>but seems not work
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03:09<neeraj>hi
03:10<neeraj>how r u ?
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03:27<jmm>hello #deeeeeeeebian !
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03:34<IdeMaddy>Hi
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03:35<IdeMaddy>Anyone can suggest me a program for lan testing?
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03:35<meglaw>i dont understand the manpage for lastlog
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03:35<meglaw>how can i get a list of a users hosts used for login
03:36<user52562>IdeMaddy: iperf
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03:36<meglaw>how can i make the colum bigger so i can see the entire hostname
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03:38<IdeMaddy>User52562: Thanks, i'll try immediately
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03:53<yayoi740>Hi
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03:53<yayoi740>HELLO
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03:54<yayoi740>¤À¤ì¤«¤¤¤Þ¤¹¤«¡©
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03:54<yayoi740>FUCK YOU!!
03:57-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
03:57-!-mode/#debian [+q yayoi740!*@*] by weasel
03:57-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
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04:02<IdeMaddy>User52562: Thanks for tip! iperf work perfectly!!!
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04:03<user52562>you're welcome
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04:05<sheldonh>can i get mysql-dfsg-5.0_5.0.51a-24+lenny2.dsc somewhere? i don't want the +spu1, because i'm step-importing into git
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04:09<gsimmons>sheldonh: Yes.
04:09<sheldonh>gsimmons, excellent! where? :)
04:10<gsimmons>sheldonh: http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/mysql-dfsg-5.0/5.0.51a-24%2Blenny2/
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04:11<sheldonh>snapshots... mmmmm... thank you so much, i wish i'd known about this last year! :)
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04:14*MeCooL i`m back
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04:29<Kaji>Hello guys there ..^^ i am new to debian used freebsd before and want to install zabbix.. so there isnt much of a problem but when i use aptitude install zabbix-server-pgsql he uses 1.4.6-1 when i look at http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/z/zabbix/ there ist 1.8.1-1 too and i want to use that :)
04:30<Kaji>can anyone help me?^^
04:30<jm_>1.4 is in lenny, 1.8 is in testing/unstable
04:31<gsimmons>Kaji: zabbix 1.8 is available in lenny-backports ; /msg dpkg bpo
04:33<Kaji>ah ok . than i should use that..^^ debian is somehow a strong difference too freebsd but i will get into that :) thanks ^^
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04:52<knoppix_>abcd
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04:53<Shadow193>hi
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04:57<ucenik14>KPOIP
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05:00<shaggy_>Hey, i am again for sum reason missing update-grub....? grub-pc says should be replaced by one of grub-ieee1275 grub-efi-ia32 grub-efi-amd64 grub-coreboot grub-common ? grub-common is installed ...?
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05:04<shaggy_>anybody?
05:04<azeem_>shaggy_: which version of grub-common?
05:05<shaggy_>azeem_: 1.98-1
05:05<azeem_>just because something says it's being replaced by something else doesn't mean *all* files are in the new package
05:06<azeem_>it just means *at least one* file is also in the other package
05:06<ucenik14>ko si ti bre\
05:06<shaggy_>is there a meta package for grub ?
05:06<shaggy_>i have grub-common and grub-pc is not installable?
05:07<azeem_>why is grub-pc not installable?
05:07<shaggy_>azeem: Package grub-pc is not available, but is referred to by another package.
05:07<shaggy_>azeem: replaced by etc..
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05:09<azeem_>shaggy_: what version of Debian are you running?
05:09<shaggy_>azeem: what package is supposed to have the binary / script update-grub in it?
05:09<shaggy_>azeem: sid
05:09<azeem_>grub-pc
05:09<shaggy_>aww? broken repo list?
05:09<azeem_>shaggy_: well if you run sid, you're supposed to fix this yourself anyway
05:09<azeem_>and not ask here
05:10<shaggy_>azeem: i kind of understand linux in training for sys admin... want to learn....
05:10<jm_>it looks like it depends on older version of grub-common
05:10<azeem_>shaggy_: then use stable
05:11<jm_>or not, it's packages.debian.org showing older version of it
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05:11<jm_>anyway check its dependencies
05:11<shaggy_>azeem: can't do that i love beta software. i do a decent job of fixing it
05:11<azeem_>shaggy_: pastebin the full output of "apt-get install grub-pc"
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05:11<azeem_>shaggy_: then just fix it and do not bother us
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05:12<shaggy_>azeem_: if i new how i wouldn't be here? i appraiate help ... if you dont want to help then dont? ... ?
05:12<azeem_>11:10 < azeem_> shaggy_: pastebin the full output of "apt-get install grub-pc"
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05:12<azeem_>shaggy_: it's not about me, it's about draining support resources in general
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05:13<shaggy_>azeem_: http://www.pastebin.ca/1831565
05:13<azeem_>shaggy_: did you run apt-get update?
05:14<azeem_>pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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05:14<azeem_>then pastebin "apt-cache policy grub-pc"
05:14<shaggy_>azeem_: yeah.. just saw that. running agian.
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05:15<shaggy_>azeem: http://pastebin.ca/1831567
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05:17<azeem_>that's weird
05:17<azeem_>also pastebin the output of apt-get update
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05:18<shaggy_>azeem_: http://pastebin.ca/index.php
05:18<shaggy_>azeem_ : srry http://pastebin.ca/1831568
05:18<azeem_>ok, no idea
05:19<jm_>impressive, he's also using experimental ;)
05:19<azeem_>which arch are you on?
05:19<shaggy_>azeem_: x86
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05:20<shaggy_>jm_: i installed something small from expermintal : ( .. i forget what now. you guys chew me for it last time ... i think koffice ?
05:20<jm_>shaggy_: yes, I think I remember that
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05:21<shaggy_>jm_ as long as i dont apt-get -t expermintal dist-upgrade
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05:24<shaggy_>would it be a good idea to download grub-pc package and install manually?
05:24<jm_>why was it removed in the first place?
05:25<shaggy_>jm_: i dont know ? i didn't remove it? i update nightly. today i got a kernel upgrade and post init fails with update-grub. i check for executable not there ...
05:26<jm_>shaggy_: you should pay more attention to what is going on with upgrades
05:26<jm_>you're definitely not suitable to use unstable branch
05:26<shaggy_>jm_: what did i miss?
05:26<jm_>shaggy_: the reason why it removed grub-pc
05:27<shaggy_>would that have been listed under packages to be removed?
05:28<jm_>don't think so, but when it says it will remove something you can run aptitude why-not foo
05:28<shaggy_>jm_ ... :( i have been running debian unstable for a least a couple of monthes... i learning a good deal... which was the goal? i mean i didn't come here with OMG update fails?
05:29<jm_>shaggy_: yes, but you should not use it if you can't fix siutations like this, or investigate it properly
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05:31<shaggy_>jm_ hopefully I learn? i did at least decent? i figured out what was missing. but not why.
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05:33<jm_>shaggy_: what happens if you run aptitude install grub-pc?
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05:33<shaggy_>jm_: No candidate version found for grub-pc
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05:34<jm_>shaggy_: did you try using any other mirror?
05:35<shaggy_>jm_: no ... how would i do that? i know ftp.debian resolves diffrently on a locaion based system. .. another domain for repo?
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05:35<jm_>shaggy_: try using ftp.se.debian.org or whatever
05:35<shaggy_>jm_: what about online repo? wget package and install manualy?
05:36<jm_>shaggy_: sure that will work, but you will not know why it fails
05:36<shaggy_>jm_: then ftp.se.debian.org it is..
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05:40<shaggy_>jm_: nope ... made changes to sources.list updated and tryed to install and same issue... says replaced no installation canidate
05:41<shaggy_>is there a way to clear all the informatin apt has on avialbe packages and then update again to download lists from scratch?
05:41<shaggy_>lists not package cache btw
05:41<jm_>shaggy_: the stuff is in /var/lib/apt/lists
05:42<jm_>for whatever reason it thinks it isn't a candidate for installation but it has the right priority
05:42<babilen>shaggy_: Just move them somewhere else (i.e. keep a backup)
05:43<jm_>do you have any settings in /etc/apt/apt.conf ? or apt.conf.d?
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05:45<shaggy_>conf.d has some config files
05:45<shaggy_>00trustcdrom 01autoremove 10apt-listbugs 10periodic 15update-stamp 20archive 20listchanges 70debconf 99update-notifier
05:47<shaggy_>jm_ nothing non standard i wouldn't think .. nothing hand edited there ..
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05:48<jm_>shaggy_: how about preferences file?
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05:48<shaggy_>jm_: doesn't exist
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05:49<shaggy_>sorry its called apt-file.conf
05:51<shaggy_>jm_: nothing looks to unstandard to me. . i can pastbin if you'd like?
05:51<babilen>go for it
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05:52<shaggy_>http://pastebin.ca/1831613
05:52<jm_>shaggy_: does it show anything useful if you enable debugging?
05:53<shaggy_>jm_ how would i do that?
05:53<jm_>apt-file is not really relevant for this
05:53<jm_>shaggy_: you can enable it in apt.conf
05:53<shaggy_>apt.conf != apt--file.conf?
05:53<jm_>see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
05:53<jm_>correct
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05:59<Worf_>hello there. i just needed to upgrade udev from lenny to testing, and now it spams me with warnings about obsolete rules. kernel 2.6.32 from backports. i realize this is only a warning and i now could just fix all the rules manually, but maybe someone here has a better idea?
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06:01<babilen>Worf_: You are upgrading from lenny to squeeze, but had a bpo kernel installed before?
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06:02<maxp>hello
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06:03<Worf_>babilen: i needed to upgrade xorg which needed to update udev. i try to keep the rest at lenny. is this udev warning kernel related? ( like - will a testing kernel just do fine? )
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06:05<babilen>Worf_: I would not mix releases. And you'll need a kernel >= 2.6.27 so a kernel from testing works fine (one from bpo too)
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06:05<Worf_>babilen: i would not too. that's why i use lenny (+backports) on most machines. but sometimes you just have little choice
06:06<babilen>Worf_: What is "this udev warning" anyway?
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06:06<Worf_>about 10 pages of: udevd[4831]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules:5
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06:07<Worf_>one warning per rule, so in total several hundred
06:08<and1bm>I have this warnigs here on a pure squeeze too
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06:08<ml|>there is atleast one bug on that
06:08<Worf_>several bugs.
06:08<shaggy_>jml: i read throught the guide found the debug lines . created file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02Debug with same perms as other files in dir. and i get no output out of apt
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06:09<shaggy_> jm_: i read throught the guide found the debug lines . created file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02Debug with same perms as other files in dir. and i get no *debug* output out of apt
06:09<babilen>Worf_: They are warning, so you might want to ignore them. Follow the bugs and upgrade to testing, as you might run into an inconsistent state when you mix stable and testing.
06:09<shaggy_>jm_: is there a special way to invoke?
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06:10<jm_>shaggy_: you just pasted the debug lines from configure-index.gz as is?
06:11<shaggy_>jm_: changed false to "true" and tryed w/ no results swich to config style of other files .. APT::Debug::property "value";
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06:12<shaggy_>jm_: first line APT::Debug::pkgDepCache::Marker "true";
06:12<dumle>Hi, I am compiling something and it errors up with "checking size of short... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (short), 77" What could this mean ?
06:12<jm_>shaggy_: move the file to /etc/apt/apt.conf (careful not to overwrite any files)
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06:14<babilen>Worf_: I wonder which package included '/etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules' am unable to find it. But it looks as if you have several packages installed that shipped udev rules, which are in a deprecated format
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06:15<jm_>isn't that a symlnik?
06:15<shaggy_>sudo mv -i /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02Debug /etc/apt/apt.conf && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install grub-pc
06:15<babilen>Worf_: I would highly recommend to either stick to stable (preferred) or upgrade to squeeze and *not* mix releases
06:15<shaggy_>jm_ no debug info ?
06:15<jm_>shaggy_: let me try
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06:16<babilen>Worf_: It's probably a symlink to /etc/udev/logitechmouse.rules shipped with kcontrol and you would have to upgrade that package too.
06:16<babilen>,versions kcontrol
06:16<judd>kcontrol -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6
06:16<Worf_>babilen: yeah .. i just found out ...
06:16<ml|>babilen: too late he already did ;)
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06:17<jm_>shaggy_: it spits crapload of info at me
06:17<babilen>Worf_: See ^^^ it's a package that is not available in testing and the version shipped with lenny uses a deprecated format which triggers the warnings
06:17<shaggy_>jm: hmm pastbin apt.conf file
06:17<shaggy_>http://pastebin.ca/1831636
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06:19<pkkm>How to refeive mail via POP3 after I configured Debian like in this tutorial: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p5 ?
06:20<babilen>pkkm: etch?
06:20<dumle>Hi, I am compiling something and it errors up with "checking size of short... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (short), 77" What could this mean ?
06:20<petemc>pkkm: the standard way to retrieve mail is with a mail client
06:20<blueglasses>isn't sudo installed by default on debian server edition?
06:20<babilen>pkkm: Haven't read the tutorial, but you probably want to either (i) let your MTA receive mail delivered to your host or (ii) use getmail/fetchmail to fetch them from your ISP
06:20<pkkm>babilen, lenny
06:20<petemc>blueglasses: there is no server edition
06:21<petemc>blueglasses: if you want sudo, aptitude install sudo
06:21<ml|>blueglasses: nope ^
06:21<jm_>shaggy_: add them in debug block: Debug { foo "true"; ... }
06:21<babilen>pkkm: Or just use a mail client capable of retrieval - several clients can do this
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06:21<blueglasses>petemc, ok thx's
06:22<pkkm>babilen, I dont get this
06:22<pkkm>babilen, I did exactly like in this tutorial, and how to receive mail in Thunderbird?
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06:23<pkkm>babilen, what is the pop3 user and pas?
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06:23<babilen>pkkm: What are you trying to do? You can have mail delivered to your host or fetch it from your ISP. The latter can be done in two ways: (i) use getmail/fetchmail/... or (ii) use a mail client like evolution/icedove/.... and have that client fetch the mail for you
06:23<babilen>pkkm: Ok, i guess i'll have to take a look at that tutorial. Or you could describe what you have done so far
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06:25<pkkm>babilen, I have configured my server like in that tutorial, and I want to receive mails on another computer.
06:25<babilen>pkkm: Looks as if you want to use courier-imap locally. You would configure your mail client (e.g. icedove) to fetch mails from your local IMAP server (i.e. the courier-imap instance you've installed)
06:25<shaggy_>jm_: tons and tons of debug info. mostly following Deps.. no erros etc..
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06:26<ryks>hello all
06:26<ryks>nice to be in debian again
06:26<ryks>:)
06:26<ryks>have a problem
06:27<pkkm>babilen, no, I don't want to do it locally. I have courier-imap, postfix etc. on my server and want to receive mails on my laptop.
06:27<ryks>i wanna install a prg ,but i cannot
06:27<ryks>select it
06:28<babilen>pkkm: It look as if courier-imap is configured to serve mails from $HOME/Maildir to users - just point your mail client to the server running the IMAP service and fetch your mail
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06:28<ryks>i have the admin pass but on the add remove prg i cannot push enithing
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06:29<babilen>pkkm: What happens if you try to fetch mail from your server?
06:29<pkkm>babilen, use my Debian username and password?
06:31<babilen>pkkm: probably
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06:32<jm_>shaggy_: it would probably be best to compare it to a working setup
06:32<shaggy_>jm_: There is lots of debug info.... is there something specific among the debug info i should be looking for? There are no errors of any kind. If marks several items as dependancys ... but these could very well be deps of unconfiuged kernel packages. .. and says no install canidate for grub-p
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06:33<jm_>shaggy_: I am affraid I'm not familiar with it
06:33<shaggy_>jm_ aww
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06:33<shaggy_>jm_ any advice you can give me as a direction to head?
06:34<shaggy_>jm_ thanks for help btw
06:35<jm_>shaggy_: well get the same output for a case where apt can install a package and compare them, this will probably be a big task
06:36<shaggy_>jm_ i have a debian server... remove grub-pc install grub-pc save debug output to file and diff it?
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06:37<jm_>shaggy_: or better yet, simply install another package that you don't have yet, I recommend sl for some fun
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06:38<xayon>jm_: sl will drive u crazy
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06:39<pkkm>babilen, 'Sending of password did not succeed. Mail server fora4u.pl responded: chdir Maildir failed'
06:39<shaggy_>jml: thanks for the help have a good 1
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06:42<babilen>pkkm: looks as if your courier configuration is borked - check the logs and google for the errors. Read the courier documentation ..
06:43<babilen>pkkm: "/msg dpkg tutorials" - looks as if the (outdated) tutorial you've followed did not work as expected.
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06:44<Sarahzz>http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268221440.jpg do my boobs look small?
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06:46<babilen>!ops Sarahzz spams on freenode and oftc and changes hosts
06:46<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: Sarahzz spams on freenode and oftc and changes hosts
06:47<petemc>thats been going on for days, assume the network peeps know about it
06:47<@Ganneff>we know. i have triggers and kill em on sight, but...........
06:48<@Ganneff>for that one needs a message first
06:48<meglaw>http://www.viddler.com/explore/GuavaMoment/videos/1/
06:48<petemc>so i shouldnt be asking anyone to rate my chest size, lest i trigger your bad
06:48<babilen>Ganneff: I know - I'm just not sure how to report it on OFTC and, well, thought it should be reported as it is always the same user today with different hostmasks
06:49<@Ganneff>#oftc, but never ever repaste the spam text
06:49<babilen>Ganneff: sure :)
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06:52<vatsala>how do i launch apache in debian? i'm new to linux i tried apachectl start by looking at the man pages
06:52<vatsala>but it says httpd.conf file is missing
06:52<petemc>vatsala: how did you install apache?
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06:53<pkkm>babilen, do You know how to make it work?
06:55<babilen>pkkm: Read the documentation and check your logs. Your configuration is faulty and it's *your* responsibility to get it right. Ask specific questions in here. I'm not willing to walk you through a complete postfix+mysql+courier+.. setup
06:57<knoppix_user018>about debian 6: I tested KUBuntu 9.10 live CD and kaffeine was hopelessly broken. As I understand, there does not exist a version on kaffeine which works properly AND is compatible with KDE4. So, are you debian distro developers a) revert yout decision and make it with KDE 3.5 b) offer broken kaffeine or c) wait until the kaffeinen team can get out a version that works properly with KDE 4?
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06:58<babilen>pkkm: It might be a good start to find the reason why the courier instance running on fora4u.pl is unable to 'chdir Maildir'. it's probably the 'postconf -e 'home_mailbox = Maildir/' step
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06:59<babilen>knoppix_user018: Probably c) - maybe with Debian specific patched. Check applicable bug reports for information about this bug in kaffeine
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07:01<adb>, versions kaffeine
07:01<judd>kaffeine -- etch: 0.8.3-1; lenny: 0.8.7-1; sid: 0.8.7-1; squeeze: 0.8.7-1; experimental: 1.0~pre3-2
07:01<knoppix_user018><babile: I have no idea how to do that. All I know I was planning to install KUbuntu 9.10 but after testing it's liveCD and noticing that kaffeine is broken, I decided to dump it and install debian lenny instead.
07:01<wrksx>Hi all. Do you know how can I enable the automatic updater (I use gnome) ?
07:01<wrksx>it's gone after a reinstall.
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07:02<babilen>knoppix_user018: I suspect that you don't run into these bugs when you use Debian/stable, correct?
07:02<knoppix_user018>with lenny, kaffeine runs just fine.
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07:03<babilen>wrksx: You are probably missing synaptic - or it is not running/applet not started
07:03<pkkm>babilen, so, changing it to /var/mail would be a good idea?
07:04<babilen>pkkm: Check your courier logs and figure out *why* it fails ... Does you user have a ~/Maildir ?
07:04<knoppix_user018>btw: could someone include a package to correctly installdriver for Canon LBP-660 laser printer ? - I have not yet installed this on lenny, but I have installed it to KUbuntu 7.10 - where it worked after doing: rmmod apparmor
07:04<pkkm>babilen, no
07:04<babilen>pkkm: that might just be the problem
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07:05<pkkm>babilen, would `postconf -e 'home_mailbox = /var/mail'` work?
07:06<babilen>pkkm: mkdir -p /home/usename/Maildir/{cur,new,tmp} (or configure postfix/procmail/whatever to create them automatically when new mail arrives)
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07:08<knoppix_user018>I don't know what is the debian policy of hardware support, but if it helps, I could even set up a PC with debian testing and connect the Canon LBP-660 to it and give one of the developers username and password to it ...
07:08<wrksx>babilen: Synaptic is not missing. Which applet were you talkin about ?
07:09<babilen>wrksx: Start synaptic it has an applet IIRC that dock into the panel and informs you of updates. I don't use synaptic so I can't tell you exactly how to enable that. Also right-click on the panel and "add to panel .." it might be in there as well
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07:11<adb>knoppix_user018, why don't you come here as debian user ...?
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07:12<babilen>wrksx: Or just use aptitude :)
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07:13<knoppix_user018>I used knoppix 5.3.1 for a long time. Unfortunately, it is now quite outdated, and the knoppiux 6.x series is broken (network does not work at all. Maybe it would, if you own IPv6 -capable router or youtr ISP supports IPv6. But IPv4 is broken with both knoppix 6.0 and 6.2
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07:14<zem>wrksx: it's update-notifier
07:14<adb>!tell knoppix_user018 about knoppix
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07:14<wrksx>zem: where can I find it ?
07:15<adb>install it
07:15<zem>wrksx: synaptic, apt-get, aptitude
07:15<wrksx>ok found it
07:16<babilen>zem: thanks - I never touch these things :)
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07:16<zem>babilen: you don't miss much, doesn't work for me anyway (actualy, notifier does, update manager doesn't)
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07:17<knoppix_user018>And one hint for the developer team: when installing xwindow, no NOT make the default to be GUI login until after the user has confirmed that the video works ok. There's nothing worse than have a system where there is an incorrect modeline so the GUI screen does not show properly, but the machine still takes you tao GUI login !
07:17<wrksx>How can you know there are updates waiting without this applet ?
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07:18<babilen>wrksx: You just run 'aptitude update' manually and read the output
07:18<knoppix_user018>also: even if gnome is the default with debian, it should be clearly stated, how to install xwindow without gnome. Or, make xwindow to install automatically when doing aptitude install kde
07:18<wrksx>ok
07:19<wrksx>the command only check updates without comit anything ?
07:19<babilen>yes
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07:19<knoppix_user018>with lenny, I ended up installing gnome against my will (some dependency probably caused it to install) so I just removed gnome and then installed kde
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07:20<adb>knoppix_user018, use a mailing list for all your wish , is better
07:20<knoppix_user018>is there a web inrterface to a mailing list ?
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07:20<adb>!tell knoppix_user018 about mailing list
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07:21<themill>knoppix_user018: you need to write up each of these things as a wishlist bug against the debian-installer package. You need to provide concrete details too. Telling people here is useless.
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07:22<themill>knoppix_user018: and it should be one thing per bug. Details like exactly what you did and what was installed are necessary. /msg dpkg reportbug
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07:24<wrksx>babilen: I'm trying to use "aptitude update". But I got no summary on the output
07:26<babilen>wrksx: You should get something like: "Current status: 15 updates [+15], 0 new [-1610]" - paste your output to http://paste.debian.net please
07:26<wrksx>it's in french
07:26<wrksx>how can I change language ?
07:27<wrksx>I've been told about a -C somthing but I just can't remember
07:27<themill>!localised errors
07:27<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
07:28<zem>babilen: need -v for summary?
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07:29<babilen>zem: no AFAIK
07:29<zem>well... i do :)
07:29<zem>doesn't give me summary withou it
07:29<babilen>zem: It might be something that changed between lenny and squeeze though
07:30<wrksx>I can't make paste zone to work
07:30<zem>http://debian.pastebin.com/VsRxVCFf
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07:30<babilen>Or hidden somewhere in my ancient configuration :) I'll check
07:30<wrksx>http://paste.debian.net/63494
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07:31<babilen>wrksx: right - give me a second :)
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07:35<wrksx>babilen: don't bother with my output, I just tried with -v argument and it's ok
07:35<wrksx>Current status: 0 broken [+0], 53 updates [+0], 22149 new [+0].
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07:37<babilen>wrksx: I haven't configured it explicitly AFAICT. I have not set Aptitude::CmdLine::Verbose or created an alias ... *shrug*
07:38<wrksx>babilen: as I said don't bother with it.
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07:39<zem>babilen: must be voodoo then :D
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07:40<babilen>zem: I guess, that it is rather related to different aptitude versions and that the summary is printed by default in newer aptitude versions - or Voodoo :)
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07:41<wrksx>babilen: Forgive me but can you quckly explain to me how can I commit the new updates with aptitude ?
07:41<zem>babilen: i don't think there are much newer versions of aptitude than what i have (unless you have sid)
07:42<babilen>wrksx: You probably want to read "man aptitude" -> safe-upgrade and full-upgrade or the aptitude manual http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/index.html
07:42<babilen>!tell wrksx -about reference
07:43<babilen>wrksx: The Debian reference is also a very good read :)
07:43<wrksx>gonna cec kit
07:44<wrksx>check it
07:44<wrksx>thx for your help
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07:50<Lin>hi i'm planning install a proxy to apt here, i have found 3 of them apt-proxy, apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng, all my servers are debian, but desktops are ubuntu/debian. I need some funcionalities (in order of importance). 1. Be able to handle multiple distributions/releases/versions on same server (mandatory) . 2. Easy browseable strucuture (allowing me to share as a repository) (desired). 3. Seamless client configuration (as http_proxy or
07:50<Lin> apt::proxy) (optional).
07:51<Lin>which one is recommended?
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08:00<boolean>i am trying to run module assistant m-a prepare and gets the following error
08:00<boolean>linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.2-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.32 but it is not installable
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08:01<babilen>,versions linux-kbuild-2.6.32
08:01<judd>linux-kbuild-2.6.32 -- sid: 2.6.32-1; squeeze: 2.6.32-1
08:01<babilen>,versions linux-kbuild-2.6.30
08:01<judd>linux-kbuild-2.6.30 -- lenny-backports: 2.6.30-1~bpo50+1
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08:02<babilen>boolean: That package is not yet available from backports. You can backport if from squeeze/sid yourself. "/msg dpkg ssb" to learn how
08:02<boolean>ok :) thanks
08:03<boolean>also.. I get the following error when trying to run one of my programs:
08:03<boolean>Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
08:03<boolean>i understand it is a 32/64-bit library problem
08:03<babilen>boolean: You are using i386?
08:03<boolean>64
08:03<boolean>amd64 and trying to run a 32bit app
08:04<babilen>which program is that? You might have to set LD_PRELOAD correctly and/or install ia32-libs
08:04<jm_>yeah I think it means the app is trying to use 64bit file
08:04<babilen>exactly
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08:04<boolean>I can't find the libxfce.so anywhere
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08:05<babilen>boolean: It's part of gtk2-engines-xfce and unfortunately not shipped in ia32-libs
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08:06<boolean>i have also did aptitude inatall ia32-libs-gtk
08:06<babilen>boolean: You could port that library yourself or use a 32bit chroot for that application
08:06<boolean>no
08:06<boolean>so how can I find it myself?
08:06<boolean>and install it
08:06<jm_>or maybe don't use xfce gtk engine?
08:07<boolean>you suggest i should use gnome as desktop instead?
08:08<jm_>naah, gtk engine used is a different choice to desktop - typically one selects it by running gtk-chtheme
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08:09<babilen>boolean: How did you install the program that fails to run now?
08:09<boolean>it is a custom program
08:09<boolean>not included in aptitude
08:09<babilen>boolean: compile it for your architecture then
08:09<jm_>maybe the tool itself selects given engine then, in this case I assume changing it won't help
08:10<babilen>or use a 32bit chroot to execute it.
08:10<babilen>You could also try to cross compile that library
08:11<boolean>if I need more 32 bit programs chroot is probably the best?
08:11<jm_>yes
08:11<boolean>then i should uninstall the ia32 libs?
08:11<jm_>up to you
08:11<babilen>not necessarily - but you could do it
08:12<boolean>i want it as clean as possible
08:12<babilen>boolean: Take a look at debootstrap, pbuilder and cowbuilder (you probably want debootstrap)
08:12<babilen>boolean: take a shower with it then :)
08:12<boolean>:p
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08:13<boolean>debootstrap looked simple :)
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08:14<babilen>and a skill worth learning
08:14<boolean>debootstrap is the same as 32bit chroot?
08:14<babilen>no
08:14<babilen>!debootstrap
08:14<dpkg>debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap
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08:15<boolean>i can create a 32bit chroot with debootstrap
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08:16<jm_>yeah I think there are details on the amd64 debian page if you need them
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08:17<boolean>should I be looking for i386 ?
08:17<boolean>shouldn't
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08:20<jm_>yeah, I was trying to say thay their page has hints how to install a 32bit chroot
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08:23<boolean>ah
08:23<boolean>ok:)
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08:24<tonystark>hello
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08:29<THZone>Hi. Is anyone floating around that could help me with NTOP?
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08:31<babilen>!ask
08:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:31<THZone>Oh. Sorry.
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08:33<THZone>I'm trying to get NTOP to allow me to select a different interface (I have two external interfaces) to view the stats. But when I click on the "change" link, it tells me I need to start NTOP with the -M switch. That doesn't seem to do anything (ntop stop | ntop start -M). Also, I need to change the password as I think I mistyped the password when I was configuring it.
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08:40<pkkm>I've been disconnected when I was removing software via SSH. How to bring apt to foreground? Part of my ps -ax:
08:40<pkkm> 1674 pts/2 R+ 0:00 ps -ax
08:40<pkkm>11935 pts/0 S+ 0:00 apt-get purge postfix libsasl2-2 sasl2-bin libsasl2-modules ...
08:40<pkkm>18195 pts/1 S+ 0:00 whiptail --backtitle Package configuration --title Cyrus SA ...
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08:44<Luarazz>http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268228662.jpg does my ass look big?
08:44<boolean>thanks for the help
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08:44<boolean>damn virus spreaders...
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08:47<pkkm>why don't you ban this f***** spammer?
08:48<jmm>lol.
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08:48<jmm>it's funny still.
08:48<THZone>To be honest, there's no point.
08:49<THZone>Just don't click links on IRC that you don't recognize.
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08:49<THZone>And, well... I don't recognize her ass.
08:49<@Ganneff>*sigh*. of course its (network wide) banned already. but that can only happen after at least one spam.
08:49<THZone>So I shall refrain from putting my mouse there ;)
08:49<@Ganneff>and discussing it here is nothing but giving them extra attention and also heavily offtopic, so go elsewhere.
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08:49<THZone>Ganneff: sorry.
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08:50<THZone>Ah - I have ntop reinstalled... but I can't seem to log in (I am SO sorry for asking NTOP questions here...)
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08:51<petemc>ntop requires a login?
08:51<THZone>to change settings.
08:51<THZone>and apparently it's fixed O.o
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08:53<petemc>THZone: zless /usr/share/doc/ntop/README.Debian
08:53<gsimmons>THZone: See /usr/share/doc/ntop/README.Debian to set an administration password. Add -M within GETOPT (and uncomment) in /etc/default/ntop if you require it.
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08:57<THZone>Yepp, I fixed that.
08:57<THZone>apparently *duh* I had to restart ntop :p
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08:58<THZone>Now I just want to get it so I can see BOTH of my external interfaces... right now I can only see eth1. eth0 and eth1 are external interfaces.
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08:59<THZone>woot. got it.
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09:00<THZone>Thanks folks!
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09:00<rpetre>THZone: debian packages come with pretty useful /etc/default/<service> files, look in the init script for how the parameters are used (the README.Debian mentioned above lists most of the kung-fu usually)
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09:13<Eruonen>Can anyone help me with installing Debian from an USB stick? I wanted to try Debian, since I'm getting sick of Windows, but the installation process is killing me. The problem is that it always asks for a CD-ROM during installation (I have no CD drive) and I can't do a net install at the moment either. I have the entire CD-ROM ISO on my USB stick, and I tried mounting it (mount /dev/(usb drive) /cdrom). It mounted successfully, but now the installer can'
09:14<Eruonen>Anyone have experience with installing from USB who might know what I'm doing wrong?
09:15<Eruonen>Actually, I used mount -t vfat, because it wouldn't work otherwise
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09:15<GeorgeDorn>Eruonen: Have you tried mounting the iso itself?
09:15<adb>!debian.exe
09:15<dpkg>debian.exe is probably a way of installing Debian Lenny from Windows using a network connection, available from http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ . It copies <GRUB2> to C: drive, downloads a <netboot> kernel/initrd from a Debian mirror, and creates entries in NTLDR's boot.ini for loading Debian-Installer via grub4dos. See also <win32-loader>
09:16<Eruonen>adb, I don't currently have a network connection.
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09:16<Eruonen>GeorgeDorn, no.. I guess I should do that. A guide told me to extract the iso to usb
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09:17<GeorgeDorn>I installed from USB myself but I had a network connection which made it a lot easier ofcourse.
09:18<rpetre>hmm, i upgraded iceweasel recently (squeeze here) and my x-www-broser alternative reverted to epiphany. what's the proper way to customize alternatives so i don't get this again?
09:18<Eruonen>Yes. I don't have physical access to a router, only wireless
09:18<Eruonen>But it will not find the wireless device drivers
09:18<Eruonen>Of course, it could be me. I am pretty new to this stuff
09:20<GeorgeDorn>Well, hours of fun ahead then :)
09:20<GeorgeDorn>Depending on how you define fun ofcourse. ;)
09:20<Eruonen>when I access /cdrom, by the way, it shows the same files as the actual CD-DROm would have
09:20<Eruonen>hahaha
09:20<Eruonen> thanks for helping me, by the way!
09:21<GeorgeDorn>I'm not much help as I'm no expert either. In fact I should shut up now and give the experts a chance to have a word in edgewise.
09:21<gsimmons>Eruonen: How did you prepare the USB stick for Debian installation?
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09:24<Eruonen>I tried several methods, all of which I found on Google. I have tried unetbootin before but that did not work out. Now I used debian.exe to start the installation (works fine) and I wanted to use the USB stick to get the installation files in stead of the CD-ROM
09:24<Eruonen>Currently, the USB stick is not bootable
09:24<Eruonen>it only has an exact copy of the CD-ROM contents
09:26<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Eruonen -about usb install
09:27<Eruonen>I somewhat tried following that guide too
09:27<Eruonen>Of course, I have to do it with a WIndows system
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09:27<Eruonen>I did format it as FAT16
09:27<adb>if 'USB stick is not bootable' no ways
09:28<Eruonen>I did it with a bootable USB stick before, got the exact same error
09:28<Eruonen>CD-drive not found
09:28<Eruonen>can't load files from cd
09:29<Eruonen>I'll try it again from the start
09:29<Eruonen>so I can come with less vague descriptions of my problem
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09:30<adb>follow 'exactly' the guide , not 'somewhat'
09:32<Eruonen>Yes, I understand. I meant somewhat because I can't use the linux commands when I'm preparing the USB stick in Windows
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09:32<adb>and formating a usb stick it will lost 'bootable' behavior
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09:34<Eruonen>Yeah, I just formatted it so I can start fresh
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09:34<babilen>Eruonen: You probably copied the contents of the image and not the image *file* itself - Try to follow "The easy method" and come back if you still have problems
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09:37<babilen>Eruonen: But given that you don't have network access you'll probably want to install a minimal system and get your network connection running afterwards (probably by transferring .debs by hand) or use CD1/DVD1 for the installation. Can't you boot from a cd drive?
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09:38<babilen>Eruonen: You could also try to cope a CD1/DVD1 image to the usb stick (as detailed in the usb install guide) - but i'm not sure if you can use it in lieu of the netboot images.
09:38<Eruonen>Will do, thanks
09:38<Eruonen>No, I don't have a CD drive available
09:39<babilen>Eruonen: From what i've read in the backlog you also don't have network connectivity during the installation?
09:39<michi7x7>can i use the debian build-system to compile my system for myself, since my cpu supports sse4.2
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09:39<Eruonen>That is correct
09:39<michi7x7>just like in gentoo
09:39<babilen>michi7x7: Use gentoo if you don't want to use a binary distribution
09:39<michi7x7>babilen, i've been using it, but their package-tree is awful...
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09:40<michi7x7>but the speed was amazing
09:40<babilen>Eruonen: As I said - you could install a minimal system with the netboot images and we'll have to work on the network afterwards or you could try to copy a CD1 DVD1 image to the stick. But i'm not sure if the latter will work
09:41<babilen>!greenhouse
09:41<dpkg>Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. See also <diminishing returns on bogomips>. Hug a tree, use Debian!
09:41<Eruonen>I could try the netboot version, but I only have wireless network access
09:41<michi7x7>Eruonen, the installer will search for available packages on the disk
09:41<Japsu_>!diminishing returns on bogomips
09:41<dpkg>it has been said that diminishing returns on bogomips is where you spend more time compiling everything, but fare to gain less CPU time than you wasted in the first place. See also <diminishing returns>. Eg., Runtime savings vs compile time wasted.
09:42<michi7x7>babilen, it's quite nice to have everything compiled by yourself
09:42<michi7x7>at least some major-programs
09:43<gsimmons>babilen: ITYM "netinst". CD1 images work fine, provided sufficient space is available on the stick.
09:43<Eruonen>4GB stick
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09:43<babilen>gsimmons: great - haven't tried it yet
09:44<babilen>Eruonen: You should be able to copy a CD1 image to the stick then. There are various flavours for different desktop environments
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09:44<charli>hola
09:44<michi7x7>is there anything like gentoos "make.conf" ?
09:44<charli>no
09:44<charli>how are you
09:45<babilen>michi7x7: Debian is a binary distribution - take a look at FreeBSD if you are fed up with Gentoo's sub-par package quality.
09:45<babilen>michi7x7: no
09:45<charli>a im abigail 6
09:45<babilen>!es-social
09:45<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:46<Eruonen>Alright, I will copy the CD1 image to the stick
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09:51<babilen>Eruonen: Make sure that you plave the yadda.iso *file* on the stick not it's content
09:51<Eruonen>Yes, I'll do that. Thanks babilen :)
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09:54<boolean>hello again
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09:55<babilen>welcome
09:55<boolean>i just read on a page that you could compile the 32bit kernel to make use of 64GB of memory. maybe I should do that instead of makina a chroot?
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09:56<michi7x7>boolean, what do you mean?
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09:57<boolean>not every program is 64bit yet, and rinning 32bit applications needs 32bit libraries and somtimes they don't exist. maybe it is better to recompile a 32bit kernel to support my 8gb of ram? and then just run 32bit applications until 64bit is better supported
09:57<OdyX>1 or 0, it depends…
09:57<boolean>depends on what?
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09:58<OdyX>boolean: you are either 0 or 1, it depends on the moment.
09:58<boolean>i'm 0 at the moment
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09:58<OdyX>boolean <= not boolean;
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09:58<boolean>error: could not compute
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09:59<boolean>is there a 32bit kernel for debian that supports more than 4gb of ram?
09:59<michi7x7>boolean, you won't have to reconfigure the kernel, bigmem is enabled by default i think
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09:59<boolean>ah
09:59<boolean>ok
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10:00<boolean>there isn't a patch I need to apply or something? the option is available in all kernels?
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10:00<michi7x7>it should be enabled by default
10:00<boolean>yeah ok
10:01<babilen>boolean: Take a look at the -bigmem kernel package
10:01<boolean>how many runs 64bit linux anyway?
10:01<babilen>boolean: You can also run an amd64 with 32bit userland
10:01<boolean>oh.. i can?
10:01<babilen>s/an amd64/an amd64 kernel
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10:02<boolean>I install the 32bit debian first then? and later compile a 64bit kernel?
10:02<babilen>you install it
10:02<babilen>You don't have to compile it
10:02<michi7x7>boolean, that would be quite senseless
10:02<boolean>why?
10:03<boolean>yeah
10:03<boolean>probably
10:03<boolean>since every app is talking in 32bit
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10:03<michi7x7>i would use everything as 64bit
10:03<babilen>http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6-amd64 (is available for i386 *and* amd64)
10:03<michi7x7>everything else should be working as 32bit
10:03<boolean>then I get all these 32bit library errors now and then. unless I make a chroot
10:04<michi7x7>like?
10:04<boolean>like this one
10:04<boolean>Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libxfce.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
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10:05<michi7x7>interesting, but it's just a warning
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10:05<michi7x7>and glib/gtk do throw many warnings
10:05<babilen>boolean: So, you don't want to use a chroot? What is this program anyway? Given that you would reinstall you box it must be quite important for you :)
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10:06<zeroXten>how can i tell debian to not run things just after installing them?
10:06<boolean>i just thought that I would stumble over similar errors in the future
10:06<michi7x7>i don't think so
10:07<babilen>boolean: You basically only run into it when you are trying to get some proprietary binary something to work
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10:10<boolean>like nvidia drivers? :p
10:11<deavid>is possible to see a list of tcp connections for each process? anyone knows if there is a package for that?
10:11<Alam_Lenny>qps and lsof can do that
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10:12<topro>using reportbug, how can I see that my report has been sent? the last promt I get is "Bug report written as /var/tmp/linux-image-2.6.32-3-686.bug" and it doesn't show up yet in the bugtracker.
10:12<deavid>ok, i'll try them :-) i want the ip's and ports...
10:13<boolean>is there a plan to include libxfce.so in the ia32 libs?
10:14<babilen>boolean: Which program are we talking about here?
10:14<babilen>topro: It takes a while and you will get a confirmation email
10:14<boolean>babilen: firefox :p
10:14<babilen>*sigh*
10:14<babilen>boolean: Just install iceweasel
10:14<boolean>no
10:15<boolean>i don't want to :p
10:15<boolean>i want firefoc
10:15<babilen>boolean: Or use a 64bit version of firefox
10:15<boolean>x
10:15<boolean>i don't think there is
10:15<babilen>boolean: Why is that?
10:15<michi7x7>compile it for yourself O_o
10:15<topro>babilen: I'm such an impatient person ;) do you have an estimation of 'a while'. in other words, how long to wait before getting worried that I made a mistake using reportbug
10:15<boolean>babilen: because people have stability problems with iceweasel
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10:16<michi7x7>actually, iceweasel IS firefox...
10:16<babilen>!iceweasel
10:16<dpkg>Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel
10:17<babilen>topro: Dunno - 10 - 60min maybe?
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10:17<babilen>!why iceweasel
10:17<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
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10:17<topro>ok, I'll wait another hour ;)
10:18<Eruonen>interesting
10:18<Eruonen>!dfsg
10:18<dpkg>well, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
10:18<michi7x7>babilen, as i said: iceweasel IS firefox
10:18<michi7x7>except some pixmaps...
10:18<michi7x7> rebooting...
10:18<boolean>it isn't
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10:19<johan>aren't there also some minor patches being appliced to iceweasel which makes the iceweasel versions differ from the firefox versions?
10:19<babilen>boolean: Care to elaborate?
10:19<rpetre>debian-specific, as there are in countless other programs packaged in debian
10:19<babilen>anyway - firefox is not supported in here. Go to #firefox / #mozilla if you need support for it
10:20<boolean>because people experience stability problems with iceweasel that they don't when using firefox
10:20<themill>boolean: nonsense. They're both crashy pains in the backside at times.
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10:21<babilen>boolean: If there really are reported bugs in iceweasel that are due to debian-specific patches, they might get resolved soon. Could you point me to one?
10:21<boolean>i can't
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10:21<nervoustwitch>i patched iceweasel with chrome :)
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10:22<maury>ciao
10:22<rpetre>speaking of iceweasel, i just upgraded it and noticed /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser pointing to epiphany again. What's the proper way of setting alternatives so this doesn't happen again?
10:22<maury>!list
10:22<dpkg>maury: VATTENE VIA
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10:22<babilen>rpetre: use update-alternatives
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10:23<maury>!list
10:23<dpkg>maury: VATTENE VIA
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10:23<babilen>maury: stop it please
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10:25<rpetre>babilen: i surely used u-a when setting it, not sure if i used it right, i'll try to go again through the manpage, but some "best practices" link would be appreciated
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10:27<boolean>babilen: also some people report that iw uses more resources than ff
10:28<babilen>rpetre: It's explained in the manpage and you probably find more information on the interweb
10:28<rpetre>babilen: yeah, thanks, i guess
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10:28<babilen>boolean: "some people report" WTF? Report specific bugs with reproducable problems and come back.
10:28<rpetre>boolean: [citation needed]
10:29<babilen>boolean: ^^^^^^
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10:31<babilen>boolean: The only real problem might be related to different UA strings, but that is rather due to shitty websites and not a real problem with IW. It can also be easily solved with UA-switcher
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10:32<babilen>anyway - nuff said. This is #debian and we support *our* packages - If you are unhappy with them, recompile them or contact upstream for support
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10:34<babilen>rpetre: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/91 and http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html (11.10)
10:35<babilen>rpetre: But the manpage really is the best document :)
10:35<rpetre>babilen: thanks
10:35<rpetre>i used the manpage before, but seems like not enough
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10:37<babilen>rpetre: What is sensible-browser opening?
10:37<rpetre>epiphany, ofc (due to x-www-browser)
10:38<rpetre>are the priorities ofthe alternatives split into intervals by policy, like pinning priorities, for instance?
10:39<rpetre>i always updated alternatives by going into interactive mode with --config, but i don't like that too much
10:41<babilen>me too - not sure how the priorities are determined. Skimmed policy but did not find anything applicable ...
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10:41<rpetre>hm, i think the postinst reinstalled the alternative with lower priority, i'll dig deeper in u-a's source
10:41<rpetre>yeah, that's why i asked here :)
10:42<babilen>rpetre: You might want to ask in #debian-mentors about u-a priorities and (maybe) report a bug if reinstallation always leads to a change in u-a settings
10:43<babilen>rpetre: Ah, i'll ask. Something i wanted to know anyway :) (feel free to join)
10:43<rpetre>eh, i'm not really sure what i've done so i can't compose a proper bugreport
10:43<babilen>hehe
10:43<babilen>I meant: configure u-a, reinstall package, settings still valid?
10:44<rpetre>just wanted tolearn "the right way" so i'll know what to look after
10:44<rpetre>hm, goodpoint
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10:46<rpetre>might not even be iceweasel, i see it got updated a week ago, i noticed only today that links from irssi (gnome-terminal) open in epiphany, but yet again, my gnome/iceweasel have weeks of uptime usually
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10:47<babilen>That's hard to diagnose then. If you are able (and willing to spend the time) to do so a bug report would be welcomed ...
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10:48<rpetre>i'll try a reinstall now
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10:48<Gemmazz>http://imgnow.info/DSC-1268236132.jpg does my ass look big?
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10:49<boolean>!
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10:49<bja>_
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10:50<boolean>why do people like to spam?
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10:51<rpetre>they make money out of it
10:51<rpetre>and these are bots
10:51<overmind>boolean: Why people likes breaking cars windows?
10:52<boolean>for the same reason? :p
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10:52<rpetre>aha, i think i found the culprit, i removed iceweasel-gnome-support today
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10:57<babilen>rpetre: \o/ - I would say KCI Error
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10:58<rpetre>is that an alternative (heh-heh) for "PEBKAC issue"?
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10:59<rpetre>still, i don't like that it screwed with my alternatives
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10:59<rpetre>oh well, movin' on
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11:03<rpetre>... and it was "gnome-www-browser" that needed prodding, KDI indeed :)
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11:03<babilen>rpetre: Keyboard-Chair-Interface ;)
11:04<babilen>rpetre: Good to hear that you've solved it
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11:05<rpetre>yeah, debian always makes it easy for me to solve my problems, i'm only left with the philosophical issues, whether it was The Right Way or not :)
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11:07<yeban>Xorg using very high cpu.
11:07<yeban>cpu usage jumps to 101 on switching windows or resizing it
11:07<yeban>i am using 2.6.32-3
11:08<yeban>usage has become a pain
11:08<yeban>pls help
11:08<babilen>rpetre: I would say: "You've followed the path to enlightenment!"
11:08<yeban>other details, i use the default configuration for X, i.e I have no xorg.conf
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11:09<bighornram>does the current squeeze need a spash image configured to replace the now black screen while booting?
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11:09<babilen>yeban: more details ... DE/WM? graphic card? driver? debian release? ...
11:09<babilen>bighornram: no
11:10<babilen>bighornram: But you shouldn't get a black screen while booting
11:10<bighornram>I have a black screen now where I used to get info on boot.
11:10<babilen>bighornram: Did you install some splash-something?
11:10<bighornram>no
11:10<yeban>babilen: DE/WM - i tried with all i had; xfce4, lxde, awesome, xmonad
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11:11<babilen>bighornram: which version of debian are we talking about here? Does not sound like something that happened in lenny
11:11<bighornram>squeeze
11:11<yeban>babilen: graphic card : intel X3300
11:11<babilen>bighornram: I have no idea - I don't experience that problem ..
11:11<yeban>babilen: debian: squeeze, 2.6.32-3
11:12<yeban>babilen: driver : not sure, i had installed the following package xserver-xorg-video-intel
11:12<babilen>bighornram: When does this happen?
11:13<bighornram>I changed the name of the bootscreen image in grub2 which happens as before, though after initializing that image goes to black and I used to get info scrolling. now the info has disappeared and only have black screen unitl gnome starts. has been a week or 2 I think. (don't know for sure)
11:13<babilen>yeban: Hmm - could it be that you are missing some firmware for that card? Anything in Xorg.log?
11:13<babilen>bighornram: *shrug*
11:14*babilen needs a coffee :)
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11:15<bighornram>babilen: yea not a big deal just thought maybe I'm missing an image or something.
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11:16<babilen>bighornram: squeeze does not use a splash image for boot by default ...
11:16<bighornram>I've never had one.
11:17<babilen>me neither :)
11:17<boolean>is gnome more stable than kde?
11:17<bighornram>just found a forum entry with same issue...reading
11:17<babilen>boolean: use xmonad or wmii
11:18<babilen>boolean: KDE and GNOME are quite stable (kde 3.x)
11:18<boolean>but not 4? :s
11:18<Hydroxide>kde 4 is reasonably stable in current incarnations
11:18<Hydroxide>was worse when it was pretty new
11:18<boolean>what kde is lenny using at the moment? far behind?
11:19<Hydroxide>boolean: probably 3.5.5, though squeeze will have kde4
11:20<Hydroxide>boolean: sorry, 3.5.9
11:20<Hydroxide>boolean: works fine though :)
11:21<boolean>what about backport of kde? is it "stable" enough?
11:22<Hydroxide>I'm not aware of a reliable and maintained backport of kde4 for lenny, and if it exists, #debian doesn't support it
11:22<boolean>hmm
11:22<boolean>ok
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11:22<babilen>!kde4
11:22<dpkg>hmm... kde 4 is the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. Backports of older versions for lenny are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ See also <kde squeeze>.
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11:23<Hydroxide>boolean: what dpkg said is true, but note the "of older versions" part and the lack of support for those :)
11:24<babilen>dpkg never lies :)
11:24<dpkg>babilen: are you smoking crack?
11:24<Hydroxide>actually, that URL no longer makes it obvious where to find the old kde4 backports to lenny
11:24<babilen>err
11:24*Hydroxide grins at the bot
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11:28<boolean>how long will it take before kd4 likely will get into lenny then?
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11:28<babilen>boolean: When it's ready. Check the ML and ask in #debian-kde
11:28<boolean>ok
11:28<boolean>thanks
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11:29<Torsten_W>kde4 will never go to lenny
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11:29<boolean>oh :s
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11:30<boolean>stable then
11:30<boolean>next stable
11:30<boolean>sid?
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11:30<Torsten_W>next stable is squeeze
11:30<Torsten_W>and squeeze wil come with kde4
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11:32<babilen>Torsten_W: thanks for the clarification - I always read questions like these as: "when will it be in unstable/testing" :(
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11:32<Torsten_W>it is allways in unstable and testing
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11:34<babilen>true
11:34<linux_used>hi all, this is not strictly Debian, but is there some tricky way to make phpmyadmin really believe I am actually root ?? thanks in advance and sorry if it's O.T. ; I was trying a couple hours..
11:34*babilen deletes backlog from reality
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11:35<boolean>is stable mostly considered for servers while testing could be for regular users?
11:35<bighornram>babilen: commented out # set gfxpayload=keep from 00_header file, now I see info instead of black screen.
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11:36<themill>boolean: absolutely not. Stable is for those who actually want to get work done rather than tinker with their machines all day. (All my boxes including all the desktops/laptops etc run stable)
11:36<boolean>ok :)
11:36<babilen>bighornram: great. I'll keep that in mind
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11:36<boolean>sorry for all my questions
11:37<babilen>bighornram: Let's see if a bug was filed against grub-common about this
11:38<bighornram>I'm not sure if that line came in from a previous backup of mine. There was an issue a while back concerning the font size on boot where entering that line would return to smaller resolution
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11:39<bighornram>so the line may or may not have been added by me, not sure.
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11:39<babilen>bighornram: I don't have it here - so you probably added that yourself
11:40<bighornram>I'll leave it out then. I had the backup of that file for the background image change.
11:40<bighornram>and did a reinstall since then
11:41<bighornram>cool. thanks for the help
11:41<babilen>bighornram: You might want to install the file that came with grub-common and test if you run into the same problem/diff it against your file
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11:41<bighornram>good idea
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11:42<babilen>!tell bighornram -about confmiss
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12:06<Betty>en Austria se abla español, oq??????????''
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12:07<boolean>#debian-es
12:07<babilen>!es-social
12:08<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:08<babilen>!ubuntu-es
12:08<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
12:09<bja>babilen: ubuntu-es nick works better
12:10<babilen>bja: Yeah i thought about that one second after I hit enter :)
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12:16<nextime>hello, is there any place where i can find the packages for xorg 7.4 for sid?
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12:17<usuario>wenas
12:17<Torsten_W>nextime, what?
12:18<Torsten_W>in sid is xorg 7.5
12:18<nextime>Torsten_W : i know, but i need to downgrade to 7.4
12:18<Torsten_W>then you shouldn't use sid
12:18<usuario>spain plz
12:18<Torsten_W>!es
12:18<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
12:18<themill>!ubuntu-es usuario
12:18<dpkg>usuario: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
12:19<Torsten_W>nextime, use stable
12:19<nextime>Torsten_W : please, don't. I use sid from more than 10 years, i know what i'm doing.
12:19<babilen>then do it :)
12:19<dutchfish>good evening to all
12:19<nextime>babilen : i just need to find 7.4 xorg pckages :)
12:19<babilen>!tell nextime -about snapshots
12:19<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg
12:19<judd>xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+3; squeeze: 1:7.5+3
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12:20<babilen>dutchfish: evening
12:20<boolean>,versions ath9k
12:20<judd>Sorry, no package named 'ath9k' was found.
12:20<boolean>,versions kernel
12:20<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found.
12:20<babilen>boolean: What are you trying to do?
12:20<nextime>babilen : snapshot.debian.org isn't working here. snapshot.debian.net is working, but latest xorg package seem to be 7.3
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12:21<boolean>just wanted to know what kernels are in each version
12:21<boolean>build
12:21<nextime>oh ok
12:21<nextime>snapshot.debian.net isn't updated
12:21<lancome>suca
12:21<nextime>snapshot-dev.debian.org is working
12:22<nextime>good
12:22<themill>nextime: that's exactly what dpkg said
12:22<lancome>hello
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12:22<lancome>hello
12:22<themill>!ubuntu-es lancome
12:22<dpkg>lancome: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
12:22<bja>!es-social usuario
12:22<bja>one second too late craps :(
12:22<dpkg>usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:22<bja>add the lag an then guy went for a cup of coffee before my message appears :)
12:22<boolean>is linux-next the same as squeeze?
12:22<nextime>ok, thanks
12:22<nextime>bye
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12:23<dutchfish>boolean: no
12:23<lancome>hello wath you name
12:23<babilen>boolean: linux-next? Squeeze is the name of the next Debian release
12:23<lancome>name
12:23<boolean>linux-next is the next kernel then?
12:23<lancome>? hello
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12:23<babilen>!es-social lancome
12:23<dpkg>lancome: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:24<boolean>which will be included in squeeze
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12:24<dutchfish>boolean: no, linux next is the kernel release that is like SID is to debian, the rc candidates are the next kernel
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12:25<dutchfish>boolean: you can consider it a testing branche in git
12:25<Hydroxide>boolean: squeeze is currently planned to release with 2.6.32, with a few bits backported from newer stuff, in approximate synchronization with Ubuntu Lucid and RHEL 6. linux-next is entirely unrelated to squeeze, and has no direct relation to debian besides having an indirect influence on future Debian kernels post-squeeze
12:25<babilen>boolean: It's basically a git tree that merges (a lot of?) all the developer and maintainer trees
12:26<boolean>ok :)
12:26<boolean>thanks
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12:32<bja>postfix package should create a mydomain file on debian also, or is there an other place where it gets its fqdn?
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12:34<themill>bja: main.cf points towards /etc/mailname for myorigin
12:34<lancome>majain
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12:42<Betty>Holaaaaaaaaaaaa
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12:42<men>hola
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12:44<Betty>Hola de donde eres men???????????????
12:44<men>de colombia
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12:44<men>y vos
12:44<Betty>de España
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12:44<men>mmmm interesante
12:44<Guest369>!es-social
12:44<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:44<lancome>yo soy de españa
12:44<Betty>Tu ves Patito Feo yo sí
12:45<lancome>¿follamos?
12:45<Guest369>stop it please
12:45<lancome>silo veo
12:45<lancome>es mu chulo
12:45<Betty>Lacome q Eres chico o chica???????????
12:45<Guest369>!ubuntu-es Betty lancome men
12:45<dpkg>Betty lancome men: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
12:45<lancome>chico
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12:46<Betty>Vete a La mierda
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12:46<Guest369>lancome Betty: Stop it! This a *DEBIAN* support channel
12:47<Hydroxide>lancome, Betty, men: you have been silenced in this channel for 10 minutes, or longer if you continue to ignore dpkg. we have nothing against spanish speakers or the spanish language, but in here we only speak English and only discuss Debian support issues.
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12:54<rich>hi, I need to use regular firefox with debian 64 bit, and I'm running into a problem loading libraries.
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12:55<rich>when I run firefox I see "Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib .../libclearlook.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
12:55<rich>The 32 bit library is in /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/
12:55<Torsten_W>you need?
12:55<Torsten_W>qhy?
12:55<Torsten_W>why
12:55<rich>How do I tell firefox to load the 32 bit libraries?
12:55<Torsten_W>use iceweasel
12:55<khades>ld_preload
12:56<Torsten_W>it's 64bit
12:56<rich>(Site with remote browser detection needs firefox. iceweasel won't work. It's great, but I need firefox)
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12:57<mjk>rich: You can fake the User agent with various Firefox/Iceweasel addons.
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12:58<rich>khades: You are awesome!
12:58<rich>Thank you!
12:59<lancome>tu puta mother
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12:59<khades>rich: ther's somelike ld_preload but for paths, described in wiki
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13:01<rich>Hmm, I was running iceweasel. not solved yet.
13:02<komputes>How can I regenerate a dpkg status file if it has been deleted or is corrupted?
13:02<rich>export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/.../libclearlooks.so ; ./firefox didn't work. still loads 64 bit library. is there a different syntax?
13:02<khades>ehm
13:02<khades>u ned to use 32bit firefox
13:02<khades>and u're usin 64libs
13:02<khades>why?
13:02<locklace>!u
13:02<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
13:03<rich>I'm trying not to use the 64 bit libs.
13:03<khades>install ia32-libs then
13:03<komputes>I reallt like this bot ;)
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13:03<khades>and ia32-gtk
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13:04<khades>!fuck
13:04<dpkg>fuck is probably you
13:04<khades>oO
13:04<khades>!meow
13:04*dpkg breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow...
13:04<khades>dammit
13:04<khades>dpkg is 42
13:04<dpkg>i don't know, khades
13:05<rich>could not find package ia32-gtk. different name?
13:06<themill>khades: enough!
13:06<lancome>tu madre
13:06<rich>ia32-libs-gtk already installed
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13:06<khades>so firefox should run instantly
13:06<khades>themill: why so serious?
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13:07<themill>khades: this isn't a social channel.
13:07<khades>this is serious channel
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13:08<khades>very serious
13:08<khades>so serious that even bot can meow
13:09<khades>!moew
13:09<khades>!meow
13:09*dpkg breaks out in song! meow meow meow meow meow meow meow meow...
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13:09<themill>khades: please take a break from #debian and try to be more signal and less noise in the future.
13:09<rich>ok, if I set LD_PRELOAD to the 32 bit version of libclearlooks.so, I get "ERROR: ld.so: object '/emul ... cannot be preloaded, ignored." Hmm Do I need to use t he 32 bit ld.so somehow?
13:10<themill>khades: many of the people in the channel are at work and they can spend enough time to help people in the channel between things at work but don't want to have to try to find the questions amongst you playing with the bot
13:10<sney>rich: this isn't officially supported, but you may be able to install the i386 iceweasel deb and use that.
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13:10<sney>khades: you can play with the bot in a query window (/msg) to keep it out of our hair
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13:11<rich>Thanks. I'll keep at it. It's just a hassle. download the firefox source , and it will id itself as "Namoroko" .
13:11<sney>current codename, right?
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13:12<sney>hmm, you might be able to download the precompiled firefox tarball and install it using stow
13:12<sney>that one is standalone so it may play nicer with this proprietary thing you're doing\
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13:20<khades> there's a guy with ip=94.167.217.87 that abuses me with postin in private that my mother is paid-whore in spanish
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13:21<lancome>habla con lancome
13:21<khades>ye
13:21<khades>that one
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13:21<khades>and that one too
13:21<noflash>khades, that has what to do with debian?
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13:22<khades>noflash: he's gone there to me from that chat oriented to solve debian problems
13:22<sney>!es-social lancome
13:22<dpkg>lancome: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:22<Guest376>khades: You should probably contact an op (!op reason) or just let themill know about it. It's hard to verify though
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13:22<khades>anyway
13:22<khades>what is zorra in spanish?
13:23<noflash>or you could ignore it
13:23<khades>and mierda
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13:23<themill>khades: we said less noise more signal after your last break from #debian...
13:23<sney>khades: they're little kids from spain who think that all IRC channels are for goofing around with their friends. good thing people like you and I know that's not always true. ;)
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13:23<babilen>khades: or just /ignore them
13:24<sney>There is also #debian-offtopic when you have to get your ya-yas out.
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13:32<rg>hi there, little question. i've installed a fresh lenny, i've had it before, the problem: with lenny repositories i havent the latest packages (stable packages), so can i put testing repositories on sources.list?
13:33<rg>would be that a problem?
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13:33<dkr>!tell rg about backports
13:33<kop>rg: Not in a simple fashion. You would then update to testing and be running testing, not stable.
13:33<khades>stable and latest are different tings
13:33<bja>rg: you would go to "inbetween releasees hell" not a nice place to be
13:33<Solver>dkr: took the words right out of mouth :)
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13:34<Solver>rg: I'd recommend backports.org to using testing repos
13:34<sney>it's sometimes runnable but not recommended. ymmv.
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13:34<sney>and yes, backports has a lot of newer stuff.
13:34<khades>not so lot
13:34<khades>wish there were more
13:34<rg>gonna check backports
13:36<khades>rg: what fresh soft do u need?
13:36<rg>vlc
13:36<rg>network applet
13:36<rg>can i find that on backports?
13:36<khades>backports.org
13:37<sney>www.backports.org
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13:58<boolean>what is the name of the nvidia module if i want to install it with module assistant? m-a a-i ...
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14:01<boolean>should I choose 2.6-amd64, 2.6-openvz-amd64, common or just 2.6-amd64 or 2.6-openvnz-amd64?
14:01<boolean>what is the difference?
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14:01<sney>boolean: it's just m-a a-i nvidia
14:01<sney>module-assistant will figure out the rest for you
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14:02<boolean>oh :) how nice :)
14:02<sney>yes, it's a great tool
14:02<boolean>what should I do after installing it?
14:02<boolean>to enable the nvidia drivers
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14:03<sney>boolean: there's a tool called nvidia-xconfig
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14:05<boolean>the build failed :s
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14:05<brunux>somebody from Brazil ?
14:06<boolean>make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64'
14:06<boolean>NVIDIA: left KBUILD.
14:06<boolean>nvidia.ko failed to build
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14:08<boolean>Building modules, stage 2.
14:08<boolean>MODPOST 0 modules
14:08<boolean>what does that mean?
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14:11<babilen>boolean: paste the complete output please
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14:12<boolean>where is the logfile stored? i just view it in the ncurses view
14:13<boolean>nevermind
14:13<boolean>1 sec
14:13<boolean>whats the address for pastebin?
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14:17<rpetre>!paste
14:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
14:17<boolean>http://pastebin.com/KqkikmYp
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14:18<sney>boolean: you're on squeeze? the squeeze nvidia non-free is broken currently, you need the one from sid. /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze for details.
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14:19<boolean>is there a way to install the sid nvidia with module assistant?
14:19<sney>yes
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14:19<sney>our bot dpkg has the instructions
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14:19<sney>do /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
14:20<boolean>ah. ok :)
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14:26<Handala>hello, im looking for help with knoppix
14:26<Handala>anybody
14:26<sney>why would we be able to help you with something we don't use?
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14:26<sney>!knoppix
14:26<dpkg>Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems.
14:26<boolean>is there a reason why i should use apt-get update instead of aptitude update?
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14:27<sney>boolean: not necessarily, some of the factoids haven't been updated to say aptitude yet. but both work.
14:27<kenick>hello there, does anyone have any ideas for what words to search when i want to secure my apache2 server? the point is that i can read out all files on my whole system via php (for example) and of course I dont want that
14:27<kenick>i just dont have the right words to search
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14:37<edrz>don't use php?
14:38<boolean>sney, http://pastebin.com/6GGdJLPM
14:38<edrz>oh. was that not helpful?
14:39<sney>boolean: see lines 23 and 24
14:39<boolean>haha
14:39<boolean>yeah.. i did now :p
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14:39<boolean>sorry
14:39<sney>easy fix
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14:47<zeus>Hi all, I'm plaiing to buy a new Eth pci card. How can i know if lenny supports it ? I've tryed a search on kmuto.jp with the card name but with no results. Kmuto infact want the lspci output i haven't.
14:48<sney>what's it called?
14:48<zeus>TP-LINK TF-3239D
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14:49<sney>hmm, never heard of tp-link
14:49<sney>oh, it's realtek.
14:49<zeus>It seems it based on RTL8139D
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14:50<jensemann12>Helo
14:50<sney>zeus: it will probably work fine.
14:50<sney>my firewall computer currently has 2 RTL8139 NICs
14:50<jensemann12>What OS are you on?
14:50<sney>Debian GNU/Linux 'testing'
14:50<sney>you?
14:51<jensemann12>Backtrack 4 ;)
14:51<sney>this channel is not for backtrack
14:51<zeus>sney: The chipset seems to be supported according kmuto but ... id like to be shure
14:51<jensemann12>Witch is?
14:51<zeus>sney: i'm on lenny 2.6.26
14:51<sney>but before you leave, can you tell me who told you using bt4 would make you a leet hax0r?
14:52<jensemann12>WTF? No idea
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14:52<sney>zeus: the 8139too driver has been in the kernel for quite some time now, it's a very common NIC, you'll be fine
14:52<jensemann12>Im just messing around like always
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14:52<jensemann12>Hi
14:52<sney>oh, we just get a lot of kids in here running bt4 who have never touched linux before asking how to exploit ssh and stuff
14:53<zeus>sney: ok. Thank you man !
14:53<sney>anyway, #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net
14:53<jensemann12>thanks!
14:53<boolean>the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command didn't do anything
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14:53<sney>boolean: what step are you on?
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14:54<boolean>configuring xorg.conf
14:55<boolean>last step
14:55<boolean>i could do it manually
14:55<sney>yeah, or use nvidia-xconfig
14:55<boolean>the manual said I shouldnt use it because of a bug
14:55<sney>either way works, just changing the driver to "nvidia" is often enough
14:56<boolean>this method is generally not recommended due to an important X bug (504692)
14:56<sney>manual is fine then... nvidia-xconfig worked last time I used it, but that was a little while ago
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15:13<mantas>ola
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15:15<boolean>sney, that restart of X didn't go well
15:16<boolean>i just used the empty xorg.conf file
15:16<boolean>the default one
15:16<boolean>maybe i should edit it completely? adding modes etc?
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15:18<boolean>http://pastebin.com/TqBqj4kE
15:18<boolean>and i don't have the glxinfo command
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15:21<Betty>M encanta Alam
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15:21<sney>boolean: if you don't have glxinfo you need mesa-utils
15:21<Betty>Adiós
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15:22<sney>boolean: also, I usually generate my xorg.conf with X -configure
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15:23<Betty>ya estoy aqui
15:23<drewdavis>!spanish
15:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:24<ml|>!es-social Betty
15:24<dpkg>Betty: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:24<boolean>i'll try the x -configure
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15:25<Betty>callate ya tu!!!!!1
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15:25<javi>Hola
15:26<Betty>dhola
15:26<ml|>!es-social javi
15:26<dpkg>javi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:26<sney>!ops betty and javi no comprenden
15:26<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: betty and javi no comprenden
15:26<javi>souy nuevo aquiok sorry
15:26-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*javi@*.147.19.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] by Ganneff
15:26<Betty>de donde eres?????????????'
15:26-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Bea321999@81.36.238.*] by Ganneff
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15:27<ml|>Gathond: thanks
15:27<ml|>oops
15:27<Hydroxide>Ganneff: fwiw, at least Betty had been silenced for 10 minutes earlier.
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15:27<@Ganneff>now its forever
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15:28<Hydroxide>ok
15:28<ml|>:)
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15:37<voicesinmyhead>hi noob here to ubuntu karmic kaola...is there anything more lite than ubuntu os??
15:38<sney>we don't support ubuntu in #debian
15:38<@Ganneff>!ubuntu
15:38<sney>please go to #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
15:38<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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15:39<voicesinmyhead>im noob to linux as a whole.. just wanted to know if there is a lite os in debian
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15:40<Cyrus>Have you asked one of your voices first? :P
15:40<babilen>voicesinmyhead: It depends on what you install. If you start with a minimal system (netinstall) and just add whatever you need you'll end up with a pretty light system
15:41<shaggy_>Is there something simlir to Ubuntu Technical blueprints of specs for debian releases?
15:41<sney>probably, what are the ubuntu blueprints like?
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15:42<voicesinmyhead>my intel chipsets arent getting properly recognised in ubuntu.. so was looking for a lighter linux based os.. just made a switch from windows.. love linux
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15:42<sney>which intel chipsets? the new graphics chip isn't supported yet, it's too new, but everything else should work fine
15:42<shaggy_>they have information like moving init.d/ scripts to upstart system planned use of 2.6.33 kernel etc
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15:43<sney>that stuff is usually all in the mailing lists
15:43<shaggy_>sney: no wiki page for it?
15:44<voicesinmyhead>i read about linux limpus lite.. is it debian?
15:44<sney>voicesinmyhead: no, if it doesn't say debian it isn't debian. many things (like ubuntu) are based on debian, but they are not the same thing.
15:45<sney>shaggy_: not that I'm aware of, but all mailing list posts are archived online.
15:45<voicesinmyhead>what is debian all about?.. what is the key difference.. all ive tried is ubuntu for 2 days
15:45<ml|>!based on debian
15:45<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
15:46<sney>shaggy_: though now that I've looked, this seems to be a good start for the next release: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze
15:46<shaggy_>sney: thank you just what i was looking for.
15:46<ml|>voicesinmyhead: there is plenty information at ... http://www.debian.org
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15:46<voicesinmyhead>if u guys can tell me what is debian all abt then maybe i can make a switch to debian... only wanna know if there is a lite os in debian or if it will support intel
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15:47<ml|>voicesinmyhead: read what babilen said already, there is only one debian
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15:48<voicesinmyhead>ok ml thanx guys
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15:52<bja>Who let the trolls out?
15:52<bja>Gentlemen, javi allready reached enlightment, he is on #debian-es :)
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15:54<locklace>i still say it's time to invade spain
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15:54<babilen>bja: hehe :)
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15:55<bja>locklace: I am for that, but first it would be Gibraltar
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15:56<cesurasean>The only thing about installing PHP 5.2.x on squeeze has been "-bash: php: command not found" otherwise, it was able to install from the debs without much problems.
15:57<babilen>cesurasean: Where did you install it?
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15:57<cesurasean>server3:~# whereis php5
15:57<cesurasean>php5: /etc/php5 /usr/lib/php5 /usr/share/php5
15:57<babilen>cesurasean: dpkg -L php5 might give you a clue
15:58<babilen>cesurasean: And that's not what you expected?
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15:58<cesurasean>babilen, do I need to export my path to PHP to my PATH?
15:58<cesurasean>I should be able to run "php" from command line. correct?
15:58<babilen>cesurasean: I have no idea. I never used php :)
15:59<seanius>apt-get install php5-cli
15:59<cesurasean>seanius, thx
15:59<babilen>cesurasean: But you could try to run it with a full path, and if that achieves the expected result you could add that dir to your PATH
15:59<babilen>seanius: +
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16:17<bja>bja ping
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16:26<jthomas_sb>I purchased two SSL certs from domain.com today, and they arrived about the same time without *any* info as to the order number nor the domain. I have the .key, the .csr, and the (emailed) .crt files. Is there a way to compare the .key or .csr with the emailed cert so I know which all go together?
16:28<dkr>yes, but I forget the exact options to openssl
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16:29<jthomas_sb>got it, with 'openssl x509 -text -in www.mydomain.com.crt'
16:29<jthomas_sb>it says the O= (organization). thanks!
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16:31<Belier>Can one limit the memory usage of one user?
16:31<jthomas_sb>a few bonks to the head should help ;)
16:31<Belier>and CPU % of usage =)
16:31<Belier>o_o
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16:32<dkr>give them a positively niced virtual machine? :)
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16:32<dkr>actually, there are shell limits for that stuff
16:32<dkr>we, cputime, not %
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16:32<Belier>oh
16:32<ledum>How do you change ulimit -n and how do I make it permanent ?
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16:33<Belier>then, how can I say, for example, than user "dalek" can use no more than 2 gb of ram?
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16:34<dkr>ledum: modify /proc/sys/fs/file-max in /etc/sysctl.conf?
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16:35<locklace>Belier: man limits.conf
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16:35<dkr>Belier: not sure. those things I mentioned ar ejust per shell
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16:35<Belier>googling*
16:35<stuckey>Hi
16:35<dkr>locklace: could pam apply across different login shells?
16:36<stuckey>I'm trying to use pdebuild to make a package, but I'm getting this error: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs libsane-dev libgtk2.0-dev libgimp2.0-dev
16:36<stuckey>Anyone know how I can fix that?
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16:36<stuckey>I have those package in the control file.
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16:37<Belier>oh, the limits.conf is the thing I was searching for!
16:37<Belier>thank you!
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16:37<locklace>dkr: no. the underlying mechanism is setrlimit(2), which is process-tree-scoped
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16:48<babilen>!tell stuckey -about mentors
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16:51<Baron_Munchausen>Does anyone use kppp anymore? Is it still being maintained?
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16:52<houms>does anyone know how I can view a php file without executing it from a website?
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16:53<babilen>Baron_Munchausen: Why shouldn't it be maintained. You might want to ask in #kde @ freenode where you can find their repository and check it yourself
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16:55<houms>anyone?
16:55<Baron_Munchausen>Well, it doesn't seem to work very well anymore. I am having a bizarre problem. It won't send the CR with the modem commands.
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16:58<Bertram>houms: I'm also interested if you ever get an answer ;)
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16:59<bja>houms: you will do that only if a part of the chain fails
16:59<houms>Does not seem like i will get one here.
16:59<houms>bja what do you mean?
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17:00<Brink>hi
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17:00<Brink>what is debian
17:00-!-hersoy [hhersoy@72.14.191.72] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
17:01<Brink>a fake version of windows or something
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17:03<bja>houms: If the configuration is not properly set then you will get the php code, else it will be executed on the server. And there is nothing you can do about it.
17:03<houms>I figured that. Wondering if there was anyway around it. its a wordpress site
17:03<Bertram>Brink: Debian is free rock-solid stable GNU/Linux distribution
17:03<Bertram>;)
17:04<Brink>Bertram: what do you mean rock solid
17:04<Brink>as solid as windows?
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17:05<ml|>/ignore the troll
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17:05<houms>as solid as windows? up with hope and down with dope. lay off the drugs dude
17:05-Brink:#debian-mil FUCK YOU
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17:06<Brink>houms: windows is good
17:06<ml|>Brink: don't message me or anybody
17:06<Brink>as it supports microsoft office
17:06<Brink>and games like age of mythology
17:06<Brink>which this shit probably cant
17:06*jthomas_sb thinks this could get even funnier
17:07<houms>at what? loaded on the proper hardware it makes a great paperweight
17:07<Brink>yea
17:07<jthomas_sb>Brink, I am sure you're aware what Debian is if you were able to get here with IRC.
17:08<houms>office? $500 to create word docs?
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17:08<jthomas_sb>thats what i hear it does, yeah
17:08<houms>if you think its so great ...good for you. use it all you like
17:08<ryan_>im using a debian box as a middle box/firewall does it still require the nics have a ip?
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17:08<bja>!ops Brink needs an invitation out
17:08<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bja complains about: Brink needs an invitation out
17:08<ryan_>its just forwarding both ways
17:08<Brink>no, i use IRC and decided to come in and see what this was with a simple google search i noticed it was a fake version of windows or something like that..
17:08<tuv>i can't find a simple systray battery monitor that would warn me about low battery levels. looking for a non-desktop-env one that i intend to use with openbox and stalonetrayer
17:09-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Brinkkk@78.151.245.*] by Ganneff
17:09-!-Brink was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [Brink]
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17:09<ml|>Ganneff: thanks
17:09<houms>and the crowd goes wild
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17:09<houms>+1 thanks
17:09<Baron_Munchausen>That's an interesting bot function. It detects if enough people have voted for a boot and then boots the named user, huh?
17:09<Bertram>Ohhh, brink was slowly openning his eyes to something new. ;)
17:09<ryan_>good how
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17:09<houms>pretty slick if you ask me
17:09<@Ganneff>!ot
17:09<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
17:10<houms>yeah so slow that the shades on the windows[sic] had drawn
17:10<bja>Ganneff: thx, this lag is killing me today
17:10<jthomas_sb>"imagine the chaos..." sounds like the general FLOSS ecosystem, and it works out fine! ;)
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17:11<Bertram>jthomas_sb: Chaos is yet just another over-complicated ordered system ;)
17:11<jthomas_sb>yeah, like the dang alphabet!
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17:11<@Ganneff>get ontopic again please.
17:12<jthomas_sb>oh yeah
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17:13<jthomas_sb>Anyone seen the Freescale Tablet thingy? Being ARM-based, it should support Debian (and Debian support it) out of the box, prety much, right? Once released of course
17:13<jthomas_sb>http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/freescale_debuts_200_chromium_tablet_integrated_webcam_linux_compatibility
17:13<jthomas_sb>I would love that hanging in my kitchen with Debian on it
17:14<chaos>i'm no ecosystem, thank you very much :P
17:14-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*Brinkkk@78.151.245.*] by Ganneff
17:14<chaos>and i don't think there's an order to my madness :P
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17:33<rg>having trouble with vlc whit opengl
17:33<rg>when i open a video with opengl selected vlc goes down
17:33<rg>why?
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17:39<stuckey>Anyone know which package provides imlibgdk?
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17:40<azeem_>stuckey: that sounds pretty outdated
17:40<babilen>very outdated
17:40<stuckey>I need it
17:41<babilen>!tell stuckey -about apt-file
17:41<azeem_>stuckey: look at archive.debian.org
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17:41<babilen>stuckey: apt-file and some grep-fu should tell you. Also check packages.debian.org and/or snapshots (/msg dpkg snapshot)
17:41<stuckey>apt-file finds nothing
17:42<stuckey>Website also gives nothing
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17:43<babilen>stuckey: search on pdo for imlibgdk - you'll find a package in etch
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17:44<dutchfish>i am wondering how to instruct grub2 to boot a certain number on next boot only and overriding once the default 0
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17:44<stuckey>babilen: i don't
17:45<babilen>stuckey: try harder
17:45<babilen>stuckey: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=imlibgdk&mode=filename&suite=oldstable&arch=any
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17:45<babilen>stuckey: last time and you owe me beer now
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17:48<tuv>i can't find a simple systray battery monitor that would warn me about low battery levels. looking for a non-desktop-env one that i intend to use with openbox and stalonetray
17:48<stuckey>Oh, you searched the contents of the packages, not package directories.
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17:51<babilen>!win stuckey
17:51<dpkg>Congratulations, stuckey! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
17:51<babilen>stuckey: Where is my beer?
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17:52<stuckey>babilen: beer for what?
17:52<stuckey>babilen: build me a deb file from the epson backend and I'll buy you some beer
17:52<babilen>o_O
17:52<adb>!beer babilen
17:52*dpkg pours a quart of Gulden Drak for babilen
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17:53<stuckey>This is nothing but a fucking headache
17:53<babilen>adb: thanks ...
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17:53<adb>babilen, yw
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17:53<stuckey>Tracking down depends blows
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17:53<boolean>sney, the nvidia driver is not in the modules folder, but the nv is.. should it be nv instead of nvidia? the manual said driver nvidia
17:55<boolean>someone else?
17:55<sney>weird timing, I just got back
17:55<boolean>ah :p
17:55<boolean>hehe
17:55<boolean>had a feeling :p
17:55<sney>nv is the free driver that comes with xorg, it works but doesn't offer much in the way of features or performance.
17:55<boolean>hmm
17:56<boolean>well.. the nvidia driver wasn't found
17:56<sney>nvidia is the nonfree driver actually made by nVidia themselves, it's the one you built with module-assistant.
17:56<boolean>xorg can't find it
17:56<sney>did you paste the error? /me scrolls up
17:56<boolean>nio
17:56<boolean>it was just a regular not found
17:57<boolean>and then i ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers
17:57<boolean>no nvidia there
17:57<sney>so what happens when you put nvidia in xorg.conf and try to startx?
17:57<boolean>it wont start.. nvidia driver not found
17:57<ml|>the wiki covers all this btw ... http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers /msg dpkg nvidia
17:58<sney>thanks ml|.
17:58<ml|>np
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17:58<sney>it's a squeeze system which can be a little hairy since it's using nvidia stuff from sid.
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17:59<ml|>might be of help ... /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
17:59<sney>already done long ago ml
17:59<boolean>driver not found isn't exactly covered in the wiki
17:59<ml|>ah, ok :)
17:59<sney>I'm going to go fire up my desktop, I can't remember the file structure from memory, brb
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18:00<ml|>boolean: and you followed the wiki from the start?
18:00<boolean>i did
18:01<boolean>ahh
18:01<boolean>Errors were encountered while processing:
18:01<boolean> nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-trunk-amd64
18:01<boolean>I: Direct installation failed, trying to post-install the dependencies
18:01<boolean>something to do with this?
18:01<boolean>happend when building the drivers with module assistant
18:01<boolean>it countinued though
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18:03<ml|>sometimes nvidia stuff does not work in squeeze; since some stuff is sid and not yet in squeeze and with trunk kernel, might things more difficult
18:03-!-sney` [~jesse@S010600184d79393c.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #debian
18:03<sney`>ok.
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18:04<sney`>boolean: do you have /lib/modules/2.6.32-trunk-amd64/nvidia/nvidia.ko?
18:05<boolean>yes
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18:05<sney`>so module-assistant worked
18:05<boolean>hmm
18:06<boolean>strange
18:06<ml|>boolean: pastebin that error so sney` can see it
18:06<sney`>did you do aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx
18:06<boolean>yes
18:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 382] by debhelper
18:07<sney`>and it installed/
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18:07<boolean>hmmm
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18:08<boolean>The following packages are broken: xserver-xorg-core
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18:09<boolean>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
18:09<boolean> xserver-xorg-core: Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-2 which is a virtual package. The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
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18:09<sney`>don't paste it all in here
18:09<sney`>that's what paste.debian.net is for
18:09<boolean>just three lines?
18:10<ml|>boolean: pastebin that error and the other together
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18:11<boolean>could it have something to do that I didn't have the xorg package installed? i just installed kde withoud xorg specified
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18:11<sney`>no, if you have any X functionality at all you have xorg
18:11<sney`>please pastebin the output of startx.
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18:12<boolean>http://paste.debian.net/63600/
18:12<boolean>ok
18:12<boolean>wait
18:13<sney`>I don't see any -t sid there
18:13<sney`>that part was important, can I see your apt.conf and sources.list please?
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18:15<boolean>is there a way to run X without needing to disconnect from irc?
18:15<sney`>forget about that for the moment and just show me sources.list and apt.conf
18:15-!-brendan__ [~brendan@adsl-71-149-255-186.dsl.mtry01.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: brendan__]
18:15<ml|>use a cli irc client in screen
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18:16<boolean>http://paste.debian.net/63602/
18:16<boolean>apt.conf APT::Default-Release "testing";
18:17<sney`>ok, that's fine. I was worried for a second.
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18:17<sney`>now install nvidia-glx but make sure it's "aptitude install -t sid nvidia-glx"
18:18<sney`>because otherwise it tries to install an older one and breaks
18:18<ml|>did you try installing anything else from sid? might ne the problem?
18:18<boolean>nothing else
18:18<boolean>ok
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18:18<boolean>should the driver be in the dir now?
18:19<sney`>yes, you should have nvidia_drv.so
18:19<boolean>yes, there it is:p
18:19<boolean>let me see
18:19<sney`>and putting "nvidia" in xorg.conf should work
18:19<boolean>need to restart x then
18:19<boolean>brb
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18:21<boolean>YES!!!
18:21<boolean>and my stupid fan finally got quiet!
18:22<sney`>you got the big ugly nvidia splash and everything? hooray
18:22<ml|>haha
18:22<boolean>that was the main reason why i wanted the drivers
18:22<boolean>didn't get a splash screen
18:22<sney`>sometimes it won't show
18:22<boolean>the fan said it all
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18:22<sney`>yeah
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18:23<sney`>and if you run glxgears now you'll get like a million fps
18:23<boolean>fan > splash screen
18:23<boolean>i haven't run glxgears before, but it looks nice
18:23<boolean>where is the fps?
18:23<boolean>oh
18:23<sney`>in the terminal window
18:23<boolean>there it is
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18:24<boolean>about 10000 fps
18:24<boolean>yeah!! and transparency work!
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18:25<sney`>I get about 12000 on my 8800GTS
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18:25<boolean>i have a 9600GT
18:25<sney`>sounds like it's working
18:25<boolean>10100
18:25-!-wired_ [~wired@S0106000e2e6e4523.ok.shawcable.net] has joined #debian
18:25<boolean>i wonder why it didn't install in the first place though
18:26<wired_>anybody know if you can connect a ext3 external HD to a ps3?
18:26<sney`>it doesn't get installed as a dependency, you need to install it manually
18:26<ml|>it's non-free stuff
18:26<sney`>it's the last step listed when you /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
18:27<sney`>wired_: I don't think so, I heard it only understands vfat
18:27<sney`>and I've only used vfat drives with mine.
18:28<wired_>darn
18:29<sney`>you can also stream media to it using upnp servers such as mediatomb or ps3mediaserver
18:29<boolean>but i did run the m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx
18:30<sney`>boolean: weird, oh well at least it was an easy fix
18:30<boolean>yeah :)
18:30<boolean>i installed xorg after i installed the driver though
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18:30<boolean>sure that could not have written over some files?
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18:31<sney`>anything's possible
18:31<boolean>i must have been
18:31<boolean>anyway
18:31<boolean>thanks alot both of you!
18:31<boolean>you saved my day
18:31<sney`>no problem
18:31<ml|>!beer sney`
18:31*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for sney`
18:31<boolean>i couldn't beare that fan anymore
18:31<boolean>bare?
18:31<boolean>beere?
18:32<sney`>bear
18:32*sney` beers ml|
18:32<boolean>haha
18:32<boolean>ok :)
18:32<sney`>I'm going back to the other room, it's too hot in here.
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18:33<ml|>sney: heh, thanks
18:33<boolean>i'm going to bed
18:34<boolean>again! thanks alot! finally I can start using linux. the fan was first priority
18:34<sney>learn good
18:34<ml|>never heard nv driver did not control the fan
18:35<boolean>now you have
18:35<boolean>also! kde4 is so nice!
18:36<sney>fan control probably varies by nvidia card
18:36<boolean>i was so disappointed when kde4 wasn't included in lenny, i just had to install squeeze
18:36<sney>it looked very vista-y last time I played with it
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18:37<boolean>it has some cool features
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18:37<boolean>i have to say that windows still is somewhat better than kde
18:38<bja>!lart boolean
18:38*dpkg holds boolean to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
18:38<sney>I don't really love kde either
18:38<boolean>haha
18:38<sney>but don't say the w-word around here, it makes the natives restless
18:38<ml|>haha
18:38<boolean>gnome doesn't look that good either :p
18:38<clemens>irc.onlinegamesnet.net
18:38<boolean>haha
18:38<boolean>i like the control with linux
18:38<boolean>i feel like home
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18:39<boolean>on windows i feel that i am standing in front of the fence with dogs between me and the house (windows), in linux i am in the house, and it's my house
18:40<icebrain>!windows
18:40<dpkg>PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work.
18:40<sney>groan
18:40<amphi>dogs? that's just the gentle Ballmer
18:40<icebrain>throwing chairs?
18:41<ml|>boolean: try to remember what you did; you will need to repeat some on new kernel installs
18:41<boolean>i have written some guides i call speed guides
18:41<sney>though after years of swearing I'd never stick a computer illiterate with linux so I didn't have to support their windows issues, I put Debian on my fiancee's sister's computer and according to her it's running "better than it ever has in its whole life"
18:41<boolean>just the steps to do a task
18:42*sney departs
18:42<ml|>and don't forget the wiki page, as it gets updated with new info
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18:42<boolean>haha
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18:42<boolean>kde has a windows theme
18:42<boolean>or gui style
18:43<ml|>windows 7 is based on kde4 ;
18:43<ml|>;)
18:43-!-GeoModTech [~Geo~Mod~T@c-71-61-250-56.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #debian
18:44<GeoModTech>greetings all.
18:44<icebrain>hi GeoModTech
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18:45<ml|>hello
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18:46<GeoModTech>If I add the "testing" distribution in my Synaptic apt frontend, does that enable the testing weekly builds or only the snapshot releases of Testing?
18:46-!-lotman_ [~quassel@dslb-088-073-130-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:47<azeem_>GeoModTech: there is neither testing weekly builds nor snapshot releases
18:47-!-moivoi [~moivoi@h203.89.219.67.cable.wstv.cablerocket.net] has joined #debian
18:47<azeem_>unless you are maybe talking about debian-installer
18:47<GeoModTech>I downloaded the Squeeze Official Snapshot and installed that.
18:48<GeoModTech>But, when adding repos to install software so that I don't have to download the DVD's and insert them. Should I add the "testing" or "squeeze" repos under distribution?
18:48<ml|>GeoModTech: /msg dpkg releases ; and /msg dpkg testing will explain
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18:50<ml|>GeoModTech: if use testing you will track testing, but if you use squeeze you track squeeze which will become stable at some point
18:52<GeoModTech>I'm guessing that testing and squeeze should not be mixed.
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18:53<root_>arnyf19@hotmail.com
18:53<root_>us
18:53<ml|>GeoModTech: message dpkg and you will understand it all better; but testing=squeeze at the moment
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19:12<TCW>how di I prevent squeeze from switching to framebuffer / kms?
19:13<TCW>intel 855GM here gives me trouble, I guess framebuffer / kms may be the reason
19:13<TCW>s/how di/how do/
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19:16<amphi>TCW: edit /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf ?
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19:17<amphi>.32 & X don't play nice here with a nice 965; I'm still running .30
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19:17<TCW>amphi, let me see
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19:18<TCW>amphi, and here the whole ox freezes as soon as gdm starts
19:18<TCW>s/ox/box/
19:18<amphi>ox, heh
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19:18<amphi>with .30 also?
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19:19<TCW>amphi, did not try .30, but I will if this does not work
19:21<TCW>amphi, changed modeset to 0 in the suggested file, screen still switches to framebuffer or kms (smaller font, broken screen, only half of the screen used)
19:22<amphi>ISTR last time I tried, X did sort of work, but was very slow & unresponsive
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19:22<amphi>I rather gave up on .32 then
19:22<amphi>until another incarnation comes down the tubes
19:23<amphi>I have other oddities, like xprop can't grab the mouse, xtrlock not working, ...
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19:26<TCW>hmm... no 2.6.30 available anymore
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19:27<TCW>amphi, by any chance... do you have the debian package for that kernel still in your apt cache?
19:28<amphi>TCW: sadly not
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19:29<TCW>and snapshot.debian.net is gone... lucky guy I am :)
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19:29<amphi>heh
19:29<abrotman>!sdn
19:29<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.net/ is an archive that contained all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. It is unmaintained since May 2008; ask me about <snapshot> instead.
19:30<abrotman>oh .. darn .. it's gone .. wtf
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19:30<abrotman>not taht .. i meant the other factoid
19:30<themill>!snapshots
19:30<dpkg>http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained.
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19:30<themill>dpkg, no sdn is <reply>see snapshots
19:30<dpkg>okay, themill
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19:31*themill is sure he already did that once before
19:31<abrotman>there we go!
19:31<abrotman>TCW: see above
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19:33<TCW>abrotman, I don't find linux-image-2.6.30* on s-dev.d.o
19:33<abrotman>find it where ?
19:34<abrotman>TCW: are you trying to match a running kernel? what is the 'dpkg -l' version number ?
19:34<TCW>abrotman, ahh... hold on
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19:36<adminuser>sniff
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19:36<TCW>http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/archive/debian-security/20091209T040846Z/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.30-2-686_2.6.30-8squeeze1_i386.deb <- abrotman, found it... I was just to dumb to get the meaning of the search field correctly :)
19:36<tuv>i can't find a simple systray battery monitor that would warn me about low battery levels. looking for a non-desktop-env one that i intend to use with openbox and stalonetray
19:36<abrotman>TCW: ah okay
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19:38<adminuser_>Hii
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19:40<jcole>"hostname -f" does not give my fully qualified hostname... it only gives me the short hostname... i noticed that "hostname -i" is reporting "127.0.1.1" which is the loopback ip and not my network ip... how do i "bind" hostname to my network ip?
19:40<TCW>btw. is it a bug that after installing a linux-image update-grub is not run?
19:40<themill>dpkg: tell jcole about multiple ask
19:41<abrotman>jcole: what's in /etc/mailname ?
19:41<jcole>if i do a "hostname {my network ip}" it returns the fully qualified hostname
19:41<jcole>abrotman: my fully qualified hostname...
19:41<jcole>abrotman: should i use that?
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19:43<abrotman>jcole: for what reason ?
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19:43<jcole>abrotman: i actually need to prepopulate postfix's debconf with a fully qualified hostname... our smtp server rejects mail if the hostname does not resolve
19:43<abrotman>for a smarthost ?
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19:44<jcole>abrotman: exactly
19:44<abrotman>you can try it
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19:44<jcole>abrotman: any tips? i need to repeat this configuration on multiple hosts
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19:45<abrotman>i would think it might be easier to configure postfix to not do that ?
19:45<jcole>abrotman: what generated /etc/mailname ?
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19:45<TCW>amphi, even with 2.6.30, no kms, no framebuffer, the bix crashes the same as soon as gdm starts
19:46<themill>jcole: can you pastebin /etc/hosts for us?
19:47<abrotman>TCW: try another X video drver ?
19:47<amphi>TCW: anything useful in the log?
19:47<TCW>abrotman, what different driver is there to test?
19:48<abrotman>vesa ?
19:48<TCW>amphi, nope... as the box freezes _completely_ nothing is logged
19:49<TCW>abrotman, hmmm... worth a try... but even if vesa would not crash the box... I want OpenGL :)
19:50<abrotman>want want want ...
19:51<jcole>abrotman: i cannot configure postfix to not have the external smtp server check hostnames... can i?
19:51<TCW>abrotman, as said, lenny runs fine on that box, _with_ OpenGL :)
19:51<abrotman>jcole: pretty sure you can
19:51<abrotman>TCW: intel card ?
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19:51<TCW>abrotman, I just hate to know when I upgrade that box to squeeze or beyond squeeze in the next years it will break
19:52<psych787>Speaking of VESA and OpenGL, is it possible to get GLX applications to just use software rendering under VESA or noveau drivers? I hate the propietary NVIDIA drivers, especially since some software rendering actually goes faster on my box than hardware acceleration.
19:52<TCW>abrotman, correct... 855GM
19:52<abrotman>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [8086:3582] (rev 01)
19:52<abrotman>TCW: that's mine .. i'm using it now .. works fine
19:52<psych787>GLX is the *only* reason I don't use VESA or noveau.
19:52<TCW>abrotman, here it is at least _almost_ the same... let me power it up again and check
19:52<psych787>Not to mention NVIDIA fouls up my realtime kernel suspend.
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19:55<jcole>abrotman:
19:55<jcole># Ignore incorrect hostname entry?
19:55<jcole>postfix postfix/rfc1035_violation boolean false
19:55-!-mentor is now known as Guest421
19:55<jcole>that MAY be it
19:55<abrotman>jcole: you'd do better to ask #postfix on freenode
19:55-!-Guest421 is now known as mentor
19:56<TCW>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device [8086:3582] (rev 02) <- apparently it looks like the same chip... what debian flavour do you run there?
19:57<jcole>abrotman: im a bit baffled of how /etc/mailname got the fully qualified hostname
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19:57<abrotman>jcole: man mailname ?
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19:57<psych787>I wonder, did anyone notice me? :|
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19:58<abrotman>psych787: you may want to ask again in awhile
19:58<psych787>k
19:59<User_007>what 8051 IDE dou you recommends for use on Debian?
20:00<TCW>abrotman, do you use sth different than debian stable on that hardware?
20:00*MeCooL i`m back
20:00<themill>MeCooL: please stop announcing your arrivals. We don't care.
20:01<abrotman>TCW: this machine is stable
20:01<abrotman>TCW: uhm .. squeeze :)
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20:01<TCW>abrotman, did I miss squeeze becomeing stable? ;)
20:01<User_007>abrotman, do you know what will be the next Debian Codename after Squeeze?
20:02<abrotman>TCW: no, i'm just having a lapse :)
20:02<abrotman>User_007: not decided yet
20:02<User_007>ok
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20:02<TCW>abrotman, anyhow, as said squeeze crashes here, may I ask what exact hardware / computer that is you use there? Toshiba A40 laptop here
20:02<abrotman>TCW: thinkpad G40
20:03<TCW>abrotman, so I guess I can rule out a general gfx driver bug... damn it
20:04<abrotman>TCW: have you tried moving your xorg.conf aside
20:04<abrotman>as a side note .. if you also still have an XF86Config-4 .. xorg will use that ..
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20:06<astronut>woooooooo! espn360 is finally working
20:06<TCW>abrotman, this box was never upgraded, fresh install of lenny or sid (using d-i or debootstrap), right now it is a lenny install upgraded to squeeze... so there was never a "real" xorg.conf, just the more or less empty ones
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20:07<TCW>Section "Device"
20:07<TCW> Identifier "Configured Video Device"
20:07<TCW>EndSection
20:07<TCW>abrotman, if you know what I mean
20:08<abrotman>TCW: so what happens when you start X ? did you look at the GDM/X logs ?
20:08<TCW>as a side note, grml "Hello Wien" (live distro based on debian with 2.6.31 does work with X)
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20:09<TCW>abrotman, a _complete_ freeze, does not even reply to ping anymore, everything seems to die as soon as gdm starts... so nothing is logged
20:09<abrotman>TCW: and you tried vesa ?
20:10<TCW>abrotman, not yet... but I am about to
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20:14<psych787>I would like to use the noveau, vesa, or nv driver with GLX applications like compiz by getting them to use software rendering. Is it possible to force that scenario?
20:14<TCW>(EE) Failed to load module "vesa" (module does not exist, 0) *eeks* :)
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20:15<TCW>abrotman, vesa works
20:16<abrotman>yay!
20:16<abrotman>TCW: aptitude install xorg ?
20:16<TCW>abrotman, why "yay"?
20:16<TCW>aptitude install xorg?
20:16<abrotman>at least it works ...
20:16<abrotman>TCW: if you aptitude install xorg .. do you get anything ?
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20:17<TCW>abrotman, what should I get there? You mean because the vesa xorg package was missing?
20:17<TCW>and "works" depends highly on what one considers as "working"... for me "vesa" does not qualify for "works" ;)
20:18<abrotman>TCW: just to see if anything is missing
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20:19<TCW>xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-scalable xorg-docs-core <- abrotman, I wouldn't "miss" those packages :)
20:19<abrotman>you think ...
20:20<TCW>abrotman, lets see... I install those "missing" packages and retry with intel as vide driver. Wanna bet? :)
20:20<abrotman>TCW: no, i already bet the mets would finish over .500 today ..
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20:22<TCW>abrotman, crash again
20:23<abrotman>BOOM!
20:23<abrotman>tried startx instead of gdm ?
20:23<TCW>abrotman, nope... I don't see how THAT should work... but if you think it might...
20:24<abrotman>TCW: you could just not try anything :)
20:25<TCW>abrotman, I think there is a difference :)
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20:26<TCW>but it's getting late here... and I am tired as hell
20:26<TCW>so, no more crashing today, god nite fellows
20:26<TCW>good even
20:27<abrotman>wait .. is he kidding ?
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20:34<Dan_E>is there a debian help channel?
20:34<amphi>Dan_E: this is it
20:35<Dan_E>i guess it is a very good system (no one asking for help)!
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20:42<amphi>!praise debian
20:42*dpkg prostrates herself before debian. "Can I have your baby, debian?"
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20:51<Cheryl>hello can anyone help please? I have been trying to install debian for a month now
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20:52<abrotman>why does it fail?
20:53<Cheryl>good question
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20:53<Cheryl>when I try to boot it the screen hangs
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20:55<Cheryl>cursor in top left corner
20:55<abrotman>the installer? or after the install ?
20:56<Cheryl>after
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20:56<abrotman>using which installer?
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20:57<Cheryl>i took your advice and repartitioned
20:57<Brink>!ops Ganneff banned me unfairly
20:57<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: brink complains about: Ganneff banned me unfairly
20:57<Cheryl>rather than resize because
20:58<abrotman>Brink: evading the ban is not a good way to get unbanned
20:58<Cheryl>cfisk and gparted disagreed
20:58<Brink>abim not
20:58<Brink>abrotman: im not
20:58<abrotman>so why are you complaining?
20:58<Cheryl>about the partition table
20:58<Brink>i still think it was unfair to ban me
20:58<abrotman>Cheryl: i didn't tell you to resize ?
20:58<Cheryl>no
20:58<abrotman>Brink: okay .. have a nice day
20:59<Brink>........
20:59<Cheryl>so I repartitioned and reinstalled
20:59<Brink>i'm never using this version of windows ever now
20:59-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
20:59-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@78.151.245.16] by abrotman
20:59-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
20:59<abrotman>Cheryl: okay .. you still didn't answer which installer
21:00<Cheryl>clean install oh sorry you seem to have an agitator
21:00<Cheryl>which installer... debian lenny graphical custom
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21:01<abrotman>Cheryl: i386? amd64?
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21:01<Cheryl>latest 5.04?
21:01<abrotman>yes .. which architecture?
21:01<Cheryl>86-64
21:02<Cheryl>amd64
21:02<Cheryl>knoppix still runs ok that is what i used to contact you
21:02<abrotman>did you try i386 ?
21:03<Cheryl>no... amd64 booted after auto-install with preset defaults
21:03<Cheryl>but not custom
21:03<abrotman>did you try i386 ?
21:03<Cheryl>no
21:03<abrotman>what is custom ?
21:03<Cheryl>menu selection when installer boots
21:03<Cheryl>graphical ui
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21:04<Cheryl>lenny is on 10gig partition in extended partition
21:04<Cheryl>swap is in extended partition
21:04<Cheryl>8 gig
21:04<Cheryl>(remnant)
21:05<Cheryl>had to use custom install with pre-partitioned hd\
21:05<Cheryl>the only things I added were print server and file server wins
21:06<Cheryl>plus the update disk I told it to look at it but it did not seem to use it
21:06<Cheryl>installed from dvd
21:07<Cheryl>ethernet plugged into linksys infrastructure to dsl
21:08<Cheryl>core 2 duo 2.1g
21:08<Cheryl>intel dg964wh (obsolete but still works ok)
21:09<Cheryl>1G ram
21:09<Cheryl>(intel dg96*5*wh oops)
21:10<Cheryl>does lenny boot from extended partition?
21:10<Cheryl>the installer warned me bios might affect it
21:11<Cheryl>but I was going to chainload from primary later, just cannot figure out how to install grub
21:12<Cheryl>to theprimary partition for chain;oad
21:13<Cheryl>so what say you?
21:14<abrotman>i would try the i386 just to see if there's a difference
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21:14<Cheryl>OK I can do that... but still need to know how to install grub. it kept giving me errors.
21:15<Cheryl>I was trying to install from the knoppix live cd
21:15<Cheryl>since it is the only boot media I have that is not a full system installer
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21:16<Cheryl>I suspect I just do not know how but I have not been able to figure it out for over a week now
21:16<Cheryl>which is why I finally cam on here asking for help
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21:19<Cheryl>root@Microknoppix:/home/knoppix# sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/sda1 /dev/sda1
21:19<Cheryl>Installation finished. No error reported.
21:19<Cheryl>This is the contents of the device map /media/sda1/boot/grub/device.map.
21:19<Cheryl>Check if this is correct or not. If any of the lines is incorrect,
21:19<Cheryl>fix it and re-run the script `grub-install'.
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21:22<Cheryl>Hello? Got disconnected...
21:23<Cheryl>anyway the menu.lst(?) was not there and when I tried to create one it gave me errors
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21:26<Cheryl>Is there a way to paste a window into chat? The paste seemed to log me out with binary graphics or something...
21:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 364] by debhelper
21:28-!-Extero [~Saile@190-82-181-215.adsl.tie.cl] has joined #debian
21:29<Extero>alguien conose un programa para subir tonos al celular
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21:29<Hydroxide>!es Extero
21:30<Extero>hola
21:30<Hydroxide>!es
21:30<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:30<Hydroxide>Extero: ^^
21:30<Extero>gracias :-)
21:30<Hydroxide>de nana.
21:30<Hydroxide>*de nada
21:30<Cheryl>so I ran... uh... upate-grub? but not sure exactly what it does or why. Trying to figure out how grub can bootload without a kernel. or if I need to specify a kerne. but that seems lime another entire installation not a boot loader... just do not understand how to chain boot
21:31<Cheryl>tried reading for a month now to figure it out
21:31<Cheryl>got this far and no farther...
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21:32<Cheryl>anyway thanks for the suggestion yesterday I did not realize that gparted resizew/move was not bulletproof
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21:32<Cheryl>since it seemed to work but later when I tried to fix the partition order there was a conflict between what cfdisk reported in the table and what gparted reported.
21:33<Cheryl>I also see that grub-probe identifies ext3 partition as ext2.
21:34<Cheryl>and still not sure what all these different pieces are doing when I run them.
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21:36<Cheryl>Suggestion how to get grub installed on primary partition? Are you still there, or have I corrupted something in chat now?
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21:39<Cheryl>'use the paster bot or flood' what does that mean? this chat stuff is new to me. I spent my career working and never had time for chatting on the internet until now. Anybody?
21:39<houms> anyone streaming m3u? what are you using in kde4?
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21:41<amphi>!tell Cheryl -about paste
21:42<Cheryl>yes please help me learn these tools.
21:44<Cheryl>am I even in the right session? This is the default Debian session on the Knoppix live CD.
21:44<Cheryl>That is all I know about it.
21:44<amphi>Cheryl: yes, this is the support channel for debian
21:45<abrotman>'a'
21:45<dvs>eh
21:45<Cheryl>OK thanks. Convenient that Knoppix puts it in the xchat config
21:45<amphi>for once ;)
21:46<Cheryl>So ... what am I missing when I try to put grub on the primary partition? When I try to do 'update' and there is still no menu.st?
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21:51<cpet>Anyone with access to the site want to update my consulting ad?
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21:54<abrotman>cpet: "ad" ? you're probably in the wrong channel
21:54<cpet>http://www.debian.org/consultants/#Mexico
21:55<abrotman>cpet: at the top of that page, it tells you how to get your listing updated
21:55<cpet>been sending update emails for months no change
21:55<cpet>no even a reply
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21:56<abrotman>maybe ask #debian-www if that is still the correct procedure
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21:56<dondelelcaro>cpet: they tend to get batch provcessed, but if there is no response, send mail to debian-www@lists.debian.org
21:57<zy3g0>:D
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21:57<Ramon>hi..:
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21:57<cpet>dondelelcaro: regardless of the info I will be providing will be availble to anyone I dont wish to send such info to a mailing list
21:58<cpet>hence why I havent done it
21:58<dondelelcaro>cpet: uh... it'l be present on a web page?
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21:59<bja>cpet: If you are publishing on a web page what difference does it make to send it to a mailing list?
22:01*dondelelcaro personally prefers ferm to shorewall, too
22:01<dondelelcaro>echan
22:02*bja prefers raw iptables
22:02<bja>Once you understand the way it manages everything, its a delight to use it
22:03<dondelelcaro>ferm is fairly close, with lots of things that make it easier, like repeating rule
22:03<dondelelcaro>and honestly, you need to know how to use iptables no matter what you do
22:03<kop>bja: I find iptables clunky compared to pf.
22:04<cpet>Done if anyone could update it
22:04<cpet>kop I'm a BSD person myself but I do use Linux at times and Debian is a rather nice choice
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22:05<kop>cpet: There's lots of reasons to use Debian rather than OpenBSD. The reverse is also true but I default to Debian.
22:06*kop finds debian easier to administer than OpenBSD, which counts for a lot over time
22:06<cpet>kop I default to BSD I am also a ports developer, maintainer for it.
22:06<cpet>but thats out of scope
22:06<kop>cpet: Basically, apt rocks.
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22:06<cpet>well I wont get into OS wars here
22:06<cpet>I just want the consulting page updated is all
22:07<kop>cpet:)
22:07<Cheryl>I just would like some help with multi-booting... seems simple enough... not challenging enough for any of you to be interested in helping me?
22:08<cpet>Debian should be easily installed on a windows machine and using it's internal booting
22:08<cpet>not as fast as having it on a EXT fs but for simple learning it's fine
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22:09<Cheryl>that is fine except I am trying to multiboot bsd and linux
22:09<cpet>ah a bsd person
22:09<cpet>you may msg me if you want
22:09<Cheryl>cpet: thanks I will do that.
22:10<Cheryl>uh... I look in the right-hand frame..
22:10<bja>!start a firewall war
22:10<dpkg>OpenBSD's pf *owns* your sorry little ipchains ass.
22:11<bja>kop: ^^
22:11<bja>I've heard wonders of it, I just don't seem to get my hands on one machine with openbsd on it
22:12<cpet>bja: I just got finsihed with a client who has 5 servers running OpenBSD
22:12<cpet>bja: satisfied customer
22:13<bja>:-)
22:13<cpet>Migrated from Suse 10
22:13<cpet>I wanted him to goto FreeBSD since I am a developer for it but uh well
22:13<bja>cpet: What is he running on thosse 5 servers?
22:14<cpet>1 each Web server, Email server, DNS server, Second DNS server, and a monitoring box
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22:28<kop>bja: Yeah, but I'd still recommend it to anyone wanting to learn assembly language. It made the concepts crystal clear.
22:29<bja>kop: That was THE MANUAL for Asembly language, even if you didn't have one 360 around or where using a smaller processor
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22:33<adb>kop, 'it' is ?
22:34<kop>adb: Sorry, accidently crept into the channel. The IBM 360 Assembly Language Manual. I think they may still be selling it. After what, 40-ish years? http://www.amazon.com/Assembler-Language-Programming-Compatible-Computers/dp/0471886572
22:34<adb>kop, thanks ;)
22:35*abrotman liked his x86 asm book, not so much his sparc asm book
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22:37<adb>each processor has his own asm , i presume
22:38<bja>adb: basically they have their different instructions sets
22:38<cpet>adb: yes
22:38<adb>thanks you , how nice
22:38<bja>adb: there are some general rules but you have to take a lot of care with the registers architecture
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22:39<adb>oh registers ... i see bja
22:40<abrotman>the x86 was the peter abel IBM book .. don't remember the sparc book
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22:48<bja>courier vs. dovecot, which one do you put your money behind for pop3 server?
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22:49<cpet>dovecot
22:49<cpet>dont use pop3 only imap though
22:49<cpet>but thats preference
22:49<bja>cpet: why?
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22:50<twb>Waah. My sid qemu stopped working.
22:50<twb>qemu: could not load PC BIOS 'bios.bin'
22:50<bja>!sid
22:50<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
22:51<twb># file /usr/share/qemu/bios.bin ==> /usr/share/qemu/bios.bin: broken symbolic link to `../seabios/bios.bin'
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22:51<cpet>bja: extra port that needs to be open on the firewall? heh
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22:51<twb>Ah, I didn't realize sid was off-topic here.
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22:52<bja>cpet: good enough for me thx
22:52<twb>bja: is there a Debian channel for people, like me, who *do* know what they're doing?
22:52<twb>:-)
22:52<cpet>bja heh
22:52<sney>theoretically this is it, but people who *do* know what they're doing don't start by saying "waah, x stopped working"
22:53<twb>sney: I should s/Waah/Fuck/ ?
22:54<sney>more details, less waahmbulance.
22:54<twb>sney: I already did that.
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22:55<twb>0.11.0-6 is working with a symlink to ../bochs/BIOS-qemu-latest instead. Nothing in debbugs, I'm checking the changelog.Debian.gz now.
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22:56<bja>twb: a simple locate to the actual file and restoring the simlink shoud kick your butt out of the tight place, but you will first have to find the boot image of the rom .)
22:56<twb>bja: if the file exists, dpkg -S doesn't know about it.
22:56<twb>I suspect Recommends: bochbios changed to Recommends: seabios and aptitude safe-upgrade didn't tell me.
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22:57<twb>Yes, this is what happened.
22:57<sney>hooray, you fixed it!
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22:57<sney>!beer twb
22:57*dpkg deftly decants a fine Yuengling Lager for twb
22:57<twb>Ranting and whining is an integral part of the bugsquashing process.
22:58<ml|>reportbug :)
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22:58<twb>That's the next step.
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23:04<adb>, versions qemu
23:04<judd>qemu -- etch: 0.8.2-4etch2; etch-security: 0.8.2-4etch3; etch-backports: 0.9.1-10lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.9.1-10lenny1; lenny-security: 0.9.1-10lenny1; squeeze: 0.11.1-2; sid: 0.12.3+dfsg-1
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23:08<bja>brb
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23:12<twb>Grr, /usr/sbin/sendmail is being Too Clever.
23:13<twb>reportbug -i, I guess.
23:14<adb>twb, witch qemu version use ?
23:15<twb>adb: 0.12.3+dfsg-1
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23:15<adb>oh , the newest
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23:16<adb>and use the kqemu with ?
23:17<twb>I don't use kqemu or kvm.
23:17<twb>I *would* use kvm, if the idiot sysadmin hadn't stolen the VT-capable host to run bloody rppppoe.
23:18<sney>point to point to point protocol?
23:19<twb>Yes.
23:19<twb>3GHz quad-core being used to perform ADSL authentication and nothing else >:-/
23:19<twb>Oh, sorry, yeah. Typo.
23:20<sney>lol I'm just messing with you
23:20<sney>but yeah, sysadmin types love to claim the new hardware so they can use it for ...other things as well
23:20<twb>No, he did it because he's an idiot.
23:20<sney>'top' on that server would probably not only report auth calls
23:20<twb>And manglement won't let me take the machine back because it'll cause downtime
23:21<sney>oh.
23:21<sney>well, I would have claimed it to run ctorrent.
23:21<ml|>rtorrent ;)
23:21<twb>Well, technically, FSVO idiot = it was easier to steal someone else's box than to go through purchasing
23:21<twb>sney: rtorrent runs on his workstation
23:22<sney>ah oh well
23:22<twb>Even if you're using bittorrent for evil, that just requires an extra DNAT or so.
23:24<twb>I haven't done it lately because bittorrent makes the assumption that I like what other people like.
23:24<sney>we used to put hardware upgrades through on office supply POs, though that sort of thing might not fly in a smaller workplace
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23:32<twb>!bts show 573397
23:33<ml|>dpkg: dbugs 573397
23:33<dpkg>#573397:N[qemu-system] Broke after upgrade due to ignoring new Recommends: seabios. (); Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:30:01 UTC []
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23:34<ml|>!beer twb
23:34*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for twb
23:35<twb>Ninety minutes seems an awfully short brewing time...
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23:50<cesurasean>E: Package libc-client2007b has no installation candidate
23:51<cesurasean>what is the name of this package on squeeze?
23:51<gsimmons>cesurasean: Probably libc-client2007e.
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23:54<cesurasean>gsimmons, http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc-client2007b
23:54<cesurasean>why it would be called e, then?
23:54<twb>Presumably because it's following policy and encoding the soname in the binary name.
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23:57<ml|>dpkg: dbugs 572751
23:57<dpkg>#572751:N[rsnapshot] wrong path for cmd_rsnapshot_diff (pending); Sat, 06 Mar 2010 11:45:01 UTC []
23:57<ml|>oops
23:59<cesurasean>are you sure libc-client2007e and libc-client2007b are the same thing?
23:59<cesurasean>doesnt look like it to me
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