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00:30<mercutio22>having some trouble with compiz
00:30<mercutio22>many plugins cannot be enabled
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00:44<elz>debian lenny is great, I was getting tired of ubuntu
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00:45<eightyeight>yes it is
00:46<eightyeight>although i wonder what specifically about ubuntu he was getting bored with
00:46<sney>probably the cavalier attitude towards stability
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00:52<goodger>it's not so much a cavalier attitude toward stability as a total failure to plan for testing in the release cycle
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01:55<bleck>anyone here from australia?
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01:55<bleck>I need someone to run a test for me from australia
01:55<bleck>there can't possibly be 342 idle people here right?
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02:01<bob493>is there an easy guide for debootstrap?
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02:31<sheldonh>where can i find a list of variables (like CURDIR, DESTDIR) available in debian/rules files?
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02:31<clin>for defined var, you can check with `env`
02:32<sheldonh>i want a variable that refers to debian/<packagename>-<packageversion> so i can mkdir -p debian/<packagename>-<packageversion>/tmp, so i can put a bunch of stuff in there that dh_install will then install for me
02:32<clin>or echo $VAR
02:32<sheldonh>i don't think that gives me everything, though
02:33<sheldonh>if i add an env-check target that runs env, not even CURDIR occurs in the output
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02:33<sheldonh>but i think that's because env gives me shell variables. i want make variables
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02:34<sheldonh>i'm sure it's burried away in the policy somewhere :)
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02:35<jm_>sheldonh: CURDIR is set by gnu make
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02:36<sheldonh>jm_, makes sense. DESTDIR?
02:36<jm_>sheldonh: that's specific to each package and its build system I believe
02:37<sheldonh>jm_, hmmm. don't think so. it's quite popular to do "${MAKE} INSTALLDIR=${DESTDIR} install" in debian/rules:install, yeah?
02:37<sheldonh>so DESTDIR's kinda gotta be coming from... something... maybe dpkg-source
02:38<jm_>sheldonh: that's because it's quite popualr to use automake ;)
02:38<sheldonh>i mean dpkg-buildpackage
02:38<jm_>let's check
02:39<jm_>didn't you mean make DESTDIR=foo ?
02:39<sheldonh>dpkg-buildpackage's manual page doesn't mention it. somehow, there must be some access to "name of package i'm building" and "version of package i'm building" :(
02:39<sheldonh>i don't want to have to fix the mkdir in the build target for each version bump :)
02:40<jm_>why not mkdir with relative path?
02:40<sheldonh>i do. but i have to create debian/<pkgname>-<pkgversion>/tmp (because that's where dh_install will look for the stuff i named in debian/<pkgname>.install
02:41<sheldonh>i could just mkdir -p debian/juniper-mibs-10.1R1.8/tmp, but that would have to change for every upstream release
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02:42<jm_>why not create just debian/tmp ?
02:42<sheldonh>jm_, because i thought dh_install would fail to look in there :)
02:43<sheldonh>fortunately, this is for lenny. i forgot. debhelper 7 falls back to debian/tmp. yay!
02:44<jm_>sheldonh: I think you can tell it where to find stuff
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02:47<sheldonh>jm_, yeah, with --sourcedir. let's do that, then :)
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02:49<sheldonh>jm_, how annoying. "dh_install --sourcedir=/tmp/buildd/juniper-mibs-10.1R1.8" gives "cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/JuniperMibs/mib-SNMPv2-SMI.txt': No such file or directory" :(
02:49<sheldonh>jm_, (i actually told it dh_install --sourcedir=$(CURDIR))
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02:51<sheldonh>debian-mentors time, i think :)
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03:01<sheldonh>jm_, am i supposed to create debian/tmp myself? other rules files i've inspected seem to assume something else created it
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03:04<sheldonh>ah. the "something else" is usually the upstream makefile, and a lot of my headache came from there being no such thing :)
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03:04<sheldonh>things are always more complicated when you believe in magic :/
03:05<jm_>sheldonh: yeah, upstream makefile typically does this
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03:07<sheldonh>sorted now. thanks for the hand holding, as always :)
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03:14<codexveritas>alright, I want to connect a debian workstation to an OpenBSD firewall/NAT gateway to the internet via DHCP cable connection via two NICS : internal netblock /
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03:15<codexveritas>The debian box IP will be
03:15<codexveritas>is it as simple as just configuring the Debian NIC to resolve to that IP basically more or less ?
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03:16<codexveritas>oops not ''
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03:17<codexveritas>I mean all I should have to do on the Debian side is simply have it resolve to that static internal IP right ?
03:17<codexveritas>I would imagine all the complicated stuff is done on the firewall/NAT box
03:18<jmm>you'll need to change your routes too,
03:18<codexveritas>jmm: thanks for the info
03:18<jmm>to use that nat box as gateway.
03:18<jmm>also dns resolutions need to be setuped.
03:20<codexveritas>I don't have much experience with routing tables but it looks like I will have some now
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03:21<codexveritas>I think I already knew about the DNS resolution that is what I meant by resolve to the static IP. I don't plan on having a reverse DNS resolution from an actual human readable domain name
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03:21<codexveritas>at least not right now
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03:27<codexveritas>Do you mean even if I'm not offering services to the outside world I still need an internal human readable DNS name (not to the outside world) in /etc/hosts just to get it to function ?
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03:27<jmm>codexveritas: no I mean that your computer need to access some dns server, to be able to resolve remotes names to ips.
03:27<codexveritas>oh ok thanks
03:29<codexveritas>I've been using *NIX at home for over a decade but always just as a single workstation that is why I'm am somewhat ignorant on networking. This is my first time setting up a home network LAN/NAT-GATEWAY/firewall network
03:29<codexveritas>I'm in for a crash course in networking
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03:30<codexveritas>jmm: I guess the OpenBSD NAT box will take care of that delegation
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03:39<codexveritas>jmm: actually I just now read a HOWTO on IP masquerading on Debian and there is only 4 steps and it is very easy
03:39<codexveritas>I was right all the complicated stuff I already took care of on the OpenBSD box
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03:41<codexveritas>actually I'm not running Debian at all but FreeBSD. I lied just to ask basic Networking questions. Aren't I clever ?
03:41<codexveritas>bye bye
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03:43<gerald>hello.. I have an APC InfrastruXure Manager appliance running some flavour of Linux - I have no idea what processor/architecture is running inside..
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03:44<gerald>I want to rebuild it with Debian (or the distro starting with "U")..
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03:47<TIBS01>ello ppl
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03:47<TIBS01>got a question is there a new kernel been released
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03:47<TIBS01>The following packages will be upgraded:
03:47<TIBS01> dpkg dpkg-dev linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 linux-libc-dev
03:47<dpkg>TIBS01: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
03:48<TIBS01>shell:~# uname -a
03:48<TIBS01>Linux shell 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 10 08:59:21 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
03:48<TIBS01>so whys it asking to upgrade it
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03:57<TIBS01>anyone know
03:57<gsimmons>dpkg: tell TIBS01 -about dsa
03:57<gsimmons>TIBS01: See DSA 2011-1 and DSA 2012-1.
03:57<TIBS01>dpkg: tell TIBS01 -about dsa
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04:00<TIBS01>so basicly
04:00<TIBS01>its the same version just a fake update
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04:09<bob493>when using debootstrap you direct it to download the files to your new root dir, right?
04:09<gsimmons>TIBS01: No, the versions of the relevant packages were incremented. Your linux-image package has the same name as there is no ABI change. Consider subscribing to the debian-security-announce mailing list.
04:09<bob493>like '/mnt/root'
04:09<TIBS01>ok thanks gsimmons
04:10<TIBS01>mmm;,k ks
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04:33<jiso>is there anyone who have some time? I want to clarify some things about verifying gpg signatures
04:33<jiso>so I need so help with that topic
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04:34<babilen>just ask
04:35<babilen>people will answer if they can
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04:35<jiso>Example.I have downloaded file X.file and I have also downloaded X.file.sig
04:36<jiso>I need the public key used to create the X.file.sig in order to be able to verify it, right?
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04:37<azeem_>jiso: yes
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04:43<bob493>ok I just installed a deb via debootstrap... what do I need to add to boot? kernel + master boot loader?
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04:45<azeem_>bob493: maybe
04:45<azeem_>installing via debootstrap isn't supported
04:48<bob493>supported by who? :P
04:49<Patrick^>Does anyone know how to remove that annoying list of messages that appear after upgrading from Lenny to Squeeze which says something like SYSFS={} and that the next update of udev will update something. Sorry I cannot be more specific.
04:50<bob493>patrick: i think it has to do with the kernel supporting udev
04:51<bob493>I think installing a newer kernel will fix the issue, but I'm not sure on it :P
04:51<Patrick^>bob493: hmm, but didn't a new kernel get installed when upgrading?
04:53<Patrick^>I found it, it looks something like this: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_libticables2-1.rules:4
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04:54<babilen>Patrick^: It is likely to not yet updated udev rules shipped by some packages. You shouldn't see more than, say, 2-5 of these messages and you can ignore them.
04:54<bob493>Patrick: ahh :)
04:54<bob493>good to know :)
04:54<babilen>Patrick^: If you are worried -> find the package that shipped the specific rule and upgrade/patch the file in question
04:55<Patrick^>babilen: hmm, how do I upgrade/patch it?
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04:56<babilen>Patrick^: Well, you edit the udev rules file to comply with the new format. Google for these messages to learn how. You could also backport the package from sid, if it is upgraded there.
04:56<babilen>Patrick^: How many of these messages do you get?
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05:02<Patrick^>babilen: about 30 of them, it's a guess
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05:02<babilen>That are too many (IMHO) - are you sure you have upgraded all packages? (I assume that you've upgraded to squeeze)
05:03<babilen>But as i said - you can safely ignore them. They are deprecation warnings
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05:03<Patrick^>Well, I want to remove them if possible.
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05:03<Patrick^>Everything should've upgraded
05:04<babilen>Patrick^: If you care about it --> google for the error message. You'll find documents that explain how the format changed and which parts you would have to patch/change
05:04<babilen>Patrick^: Try to figure out which rules files are the culprits and check if they changed in newer packages ..
05:04<Patrick^>babilen: ok, thanks. I'll try that.
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05:09<peej>which debian mta should I choose if I want speed?
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05:13<babilen>peej: Why not exim?
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05:17<peej>babilen, sure, if exim is faster than postfix or qmail for a large number of mails. The criterion is fast, for a default config (or easily tweakable config)
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05:40<peej>postfix seems to be the sensible choice for speed, when you factor in the concept of future maintainability
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05:41<babilen>is postfix really faster than exim? Could not really find good benchmarks
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05:47<peej>I suspect there is not much difference. I could not find benchmarks though.
05:47<peej>Is postfix gpl though?
05:48<themill>IBM Public License
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05:52<peej>is that gpl compatible?
05:52<berto>peej: how many users/mails per second are you talking about?
05:52<berto>in other words, how fast do you need it to be ?
05:53<themill>peej: I don't intend to read it to find out... it *is* DFSG-free however.
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05:53<peej>no idea. Assume it is a spammer who wants it (it isn't, but that's the requirement equivalent)
05:53<berto>postfix is usually said to be faster
05:54<berto>but there are large scale exim installations too
05:57<bremner>themill, peej: I'm pretty sure that the IBM Public License is not gpl compatible, at least if it is the same as the "Common Public License" used by IBM for COIN-OR
05:59<themill>bremner: I believe you're correct. peej could ask google or even read the licence himself if he cared.
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06:11<hit>hi everyone!
06:12<NicolasSchiller>hi there
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06:12<hit>who have read the APUE
06:12<hit>written by Rich Stevens
06:13<babilen>hit: The percentage might be higher in here than in other places, but do you have a Debian related question?
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06:14<hit>I just want to find some one who have read this book
06:14<babilen>you succeeded :)
06:15<babilen>!win hit
06:15<dpkg>Congratulations, hit! You have won the US presidency!
06:16<hit>I'v just finished chapter 3
06:16<NicolasSchiller>i got a debian question. i made the mistake to send in my mysql the statement "drop database mysql" ( don't lough plz ^^ ). now i try to get a mysql server running again. what can i do?
06:17<hit>but i got a problem!
06:17<NicolasSchiller>or does anybody know where i can find information?
06:18<zem>NicolasSchiller: recreate database from backup?
06:18<NicolasSchiller>there is no dump file
06:18<hit>I have no idea about the exercise 3.2
06:19<babilen>hit: try ##c over at freenode
06:19<hit>got it
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06:20<NicolasSchiller>the only way i see is to clean my system from all traces an reinstall mysql-server or set up new OS
06:20<NicolasSchiller>-an + or
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06:20<zem>if reinstalling isn't problem, just purge mysql-server in aptitude and reinstall
06:21<NicolasSchiller>the packet manager isn't able to remove it
06:21<NicolasSchiller>have to do it maunally
06:22<zem>ummm... why isn't it able to remove it?
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06:23<zem>i think there is allso reinstall option in aptitude, so could just try that if something depends on mysql
06:23<zem>there is reinstall in synaptic
06:24<NicolasSchiller>hmm, synaptic... lemme try
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06:27<NicolasSchiller>E: mysql-server-5.1: Paket is in very bad inconsistent status - you should
06:27<NicolasSchiller>that's everything i got back
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06:28<NicolasSchiller># aptitude purge mysql-server-5.1 gives some failures
06:28<NicolasSchiller>1 is:
06:28<NicolasSchiller>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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06:30<zem>error code is: Package is in very bad inconsistent state-- you should try reinstalling it before attempting a removal
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06:32<babilen>NicolasSchiller: And always paste the complete output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin)
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06:34<NicolasSchiller>the problem is: right now my system is german
06:35<babilen>!tell NicolasSchiller -about localized errors
06:36<biophysics>hi, can anyone help me how to use this code? I tried to compile this with g++ and gcc and it fails.
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06:43<adb>biophysics, see #gcc on
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06:43<biophysics>thank you
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06:49<NicolasSchiller>reboot brb
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07:00<NicolasSchiller>k # aptitude purge mysql-server-5.1 gives:
07:00<NicolasSchiller>Reading package lists... Done
07:00<NicolasSchiller>Building dependency tree
07:00<NicolasSchiller>Reading state information... Done
07:00<NicolasSchiller>Reading extended state information
07:00<NicolasSchiller>Initializing package states... Done
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07:02<NicolasSchiller>haha, have been kicked^^
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07:14<EmleyMoor>One for UK users only, I guess: has anyone managed to get the BBC iPlayer Desktop working on an amd64 system?
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07:17<NicolasSchiller>cause of my mysql problem: if i post complete output i'll be kicked from channel by debhelper. does a pm work?
07:17<jm_>!tell NicolasSchiller -about paste
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07:21<REAL1>hello all, got some problem
07:21<REAL1>real1@avocado:~$ sudo apt-get update
07:21<REAL1>E: Type 'W��K' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/karmic-partner.list
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07:21<REAL1>any idea?
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07:22<avu>REAL1, you're not using debian, ask #ubuntu
07:22<NicolasSchiller> here is the output
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07:24<othor>After updating from lenny to squeeze my hard drive shortcuts disappeared (i.e. the ones that appear in Places, computer:/// in nautilus and on the desktop), how would one go about getting them back?
07:25<peej>gpl vs dfsg for postfix : - my understanding is that object code developed for the code can be distributed by a developer under developer's own licence. So, could make a special proprietary version, but not a gpl version. Ie end user lock-in can grow if you blindly choose a propietary version.
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07:30<babilen>NicolasSchiller: Please don't /msg people - tell the channel
07:32<NicolasSchiller>babilen: i already did. but maybe you've overseen my post
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07:33<babilen>NicolasSchiller: Yes - I was afk. What happens if you try to reinstall the package?
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07:43<babilen>NicolasSchiller: You are missing the .deb file. How have you installed it?
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07:44<NicolasSchiller>via apt. but problem was i deleted the database mysql. so now i can't install, reinstall or uninstall via packet manager
07:44<babilen>and aptitude is unable to find/download it. I guess there is something wrong with your sources.list
07:44<babilen>,versions mysql-server-5.1
07:45<judd>mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.41-3~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.44-3; squeeze: 5.1.44-3
07:45<babilen>NicolasSchiller: Which version of debian are you using?
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07:46<NicolasSchiller>uname -a = Linux nyx 2.6.30-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 4 00:53:20 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux | cat /etc/issue = Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid \n \l
07:46<bremner>peej: dfsg != proprietary. Read
07:47<babilen>NicolasSchiller: bbl - lunch is ready
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07:52<jm_>NicolasSchiller: what state is the package in?
07:53<peej>bremner, the postfix licence seems to allow non-binary distribution, with no obligation to release source if you are a developer of postfix. That allows proprietarization.
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07:54<NicolasSchiller>dpkg -l | grep mysql = iFR mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-2 MySQL database server binaries
07:54<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep mysql = iFR mysql-server-5.1 5.1.37-2 MySQL database server binaries
07:54<peej>however as released, postfix in debian doesn't violate source distribution requirement. At least that's my understanding.
07:54<jm_>that's probably why you get the error
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07:55<peej>bremner, sorry: s/non-binary/binary/ in above
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07:56<NicolasSchiller>priority ticket brb
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08:05<babilen>NicolasSchiller: That version of mysql-server-5.1 is not in the archives
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08:10<bremner>peej: it seems you have strong feelings about GPL versus non-copyleft licenses. This is fine, but not really a debian support issue, since the BSD license and friends also meet the Debian definition of free.
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08:10<babilen>NicolasSchiller: As i said - check you sources.list (paste it + output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1"), "aptitude update", "aptitude -f install" ... download the package by hand and try to install it ...
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08:11<babilen>NicolasSchiller: Also try running "aptitude (auto)clean" and try to reinstall it again
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08:11<peej>Feelings don't come into it. I'm curious about how DFSG differs from GPL when applied to the postfix licence and what issues this could result in.
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08:18<NicolasSchiller>lots of output now^^
08:18<usuario>ay alguien?
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08:19<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:19<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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08:25<babilen>NicolasSchiller: 1. I guess your squeeze sources don't work (your mirror setup is broken) 2. You don't want backports if you are running squeeze 3. Try purging the package ("aptitude purge <pkg>" "dpkg --purge <pkg>"
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08:25<babilen>NicolasSchiller: disregard 1. - it probably works
08:26<babilen>NicolasSchiller: You can also force certain actions with aptitude and dpkg - see the manpage
08:26<babilen>NicolasSchiller: dpkg -i also complains about /etc/rc2.d/S92mysql not being a symlink? Where is that file from and what is it?
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08:35<amol112>hi all i am installing driver but getting error as insmod: error inserting 'xseries.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module
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08:40<mercutio22>my mail is getting flood with messages like these What did I do wrong?
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08:46<NicolasSchiller>babilen: i'm not sure because of /etc/rc2.d/S92mysql. it should be from an earlier installation from binaries ( mysql-5.1.36-linux-i686-icc-glibc23.tar.gz ) downloaded from
08:46<blockcold>hello how to install debian in harddrive
08:47<blockcold>there is no icon for installing in desktop
08:47<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
08:47<blockcold>hmm can u tell how to install via konsole
08:47<babilen>NicolasSchiller: You really seem to have a mysql mess. Clean it up - that also includes removing all traces of the (absolutely unsupported) installation from the tarball
08:48<blockcold>i am using sid
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08:48<blockcold>plz tell me how to install via command prompt
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08:49<NicolasSchiller>that's what i wanted to do from the beginning cause there are no relevant databases. the problem: i can't find information about this procedure
08:49<babilen>blockcold: See the installation guide
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08:49<blockcold>i can't understand that guide
08:49<themill>blockcold: why on earth are you running sid if you don't know how to do really simple things like that?
08:50<babilen>NicolasSchiller: Remove all files from said tarball and purge the debian package
08:50<blockcold>hmm my badluck why i install sid
08:50<themill>blockcold: sid is not designed for people who can't solve problems themselves and don't know their way around a debian box
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08:50<blockcold>so which is the best for me lenny ?
08:51<blockcold>should i download lenny ?
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08:52<blockcold>but tell em one thing how can i install debian via konsole ?
08:52<blockcold>live draklive-install
08:52<babilen>blockcold: read the installation guide
08:52<blockcold>like draklive-install
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08:55<NicolasSchiller>babilen: got it working with reinstalling via INSTALL-BINARY from mysql-5.1.36-linux-i686-icc-glibc23.tar.gz
08:55<babilen>NicolasSchiller: Got what working?
08:55<NicolasSchiller>running mysql-server uninstall it and install other version from archives
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08:56<babilen>great - so you've sucessfully installed mysql from the squeeze package? Is it a production system btw?
08:56<adb>NicolasSchiller, anyways is not a debian package, so not supported
08:57<NicolasSchiller>babilen: it's just for testing
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08:57<babilen>NicolasSchiller: And don't use unsupported binary packages - or at least install them to /usr/local so you don't fuck up your system
08:58<babilen>NicolasSchiller: There is a mysql 5.1 package for lenny FYI
08:59<adb>lenny-backports: 5.1.43-1~bpo50+1
08:59<NicolasSchiller>babilen: thanks for the hint. our productive systems are always stable. but this was private interest
09:00<babilen>NicolasSchiller: It's available from backports as adb pointed out
09:00<adb>NicolasSchiller, bed habit using binary packages
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09:02<NicolasSchiller>sometimes using binarys is the only way. but i try to avoid
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09:02<adb>no , if needed use /msg dpkg ssb
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09:10<NicolasSchiller>i will. but anyway thy for help
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09:13<aurorixi>kien eres
09:13<mas>en q cole estas
09:13<adb>two -3 troll here
09:13<aurorixi>kien eres
09:13<Betty>en jaén y tu????????????
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09:13<aurorixi>en madrid
09:14<mas>en cordoba
09:14<adb>!ops Betty mas aurorix
09:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: Betty mas aurorix
09:14<themill>!ubuntu-es aurorixi
09:14<dpkg>aurorixi: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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09:14<mas>y eso de madrid e mentira
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09:14<jm_>gracias :)
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09:16<zobel>adb: wouldn't !es be enough before triggering the ops?
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09:16<jm_>they are trolls from the same IP, !es almost never helps
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09:16<jm_>but off now
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09:16<themill>zobel: it would be if it ever worked... it doesn't for the kids who don't even know that they're playing in public
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09:18<Guest651>i want to suggest a aplication to be packaged by Debian, MCU8051, it´s an IDE used to Program 8051 microcontroller
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09:18<babilen>Guest651: File an RFP
09:18<dpkg>Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>.
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09:19<babilen>Guest651: ^^^^
09:20<gsimmons>Guest651: Already requested in Debian bug #546549.
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09:23<Guest651>well, so i just wish that it can be included, ^^
09:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
09:23<ismael>you spicking inglish
09:23<themill>!ubuntu-es ismael
09:23<dpkg>ismael: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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09:24<ismael>you spicking spanish
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09:25<aurorixi>kien eres
09:25<ismael>este chat es penoso
09:25<aurorixi>kien eres
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09:25<zobel>please use a spanish speaking channel. thx
09:25<babilen>ismael, aurorixi: stop it
09:25<aurorixi>k kieres
09:25<ismael>alguien que habla con tigo
09:25<deavid>ismael: aurorixi: este chat es en INGLES.
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09:26<ismael>por que deavid pone ismael y aurorixi
09:26<babilen>!es-social ismael, aurorixi
09:26<dpkg>ismael, aurorixi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:26<ismael>una kosa
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09:27<themill>!ubuntu-es SeLeNa
09:27<dpkg>SeLeNa: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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09:27<themill>Do spanish schools get out early on Fridays?
09:28<SeLeNa>k ablo en español
09:28<@zobel>stop it, guys. or we will lock down this channel. Thank you very much.
09:28<deavid>probably they doesn't have school friday evening
09:28<themill>zobel: you realise it's been like this every day for a couple of weeks, don't you?
09:29<SeLeNa>k ablo en spain
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09:29<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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09:29<fossiiil>Are there some adult(xxx) games for GNU/Linux ?
09:29<babilen>None that i'm aware of. But it would surprise me if not :-\
09:30<babilen>But they would not be included in Debian anyway
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09:31<fossiiil>babilen: why?
09:31<deavid>fossiiil: have you tried to search in ?
09:31<fossiiil>deavid: thanks for tip
09:32<deavid>fossiiil: debian has a lot of sowftware for everyone. Adult material and games can be offensive and inadecuate to ship with debian
09:32<babilen>fossiiil: It would be regarded as offensive and therefore in violation of Debian's philosophy
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09:33<babilen>or DFSG even
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09:33<@Ganneff>totally wrong way of going there
09:33<@Ganneff>its not against dfsg or that
09:33<fossiiil>would not be tolerated by catholic puritans...well...dirtians
09:33<@Ganneff>also wrong way
09:34<babilen>Yes, i've just read it and did not find anything applicable. Just remember a thread on d-d about a porn downloader where one criterium for inclusion was that it does not ship any pronographic pictures itself
09:34<@Ganneff>try thinking much easier: youth laws about everywhere. we do not want to close all our mirrors, everywhere and apply age control
09:34<deavid>i suspect it's a matter of distribution
09:34<@Ganneff>thats a much easier start on it
09:34<babilen>and it would probably be forbidden to ship them to minors anyway
09:35<deavid>that means, that even if there were a adult repo, it will not be mirrored, and never will be on the DVD distro
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09:40<johnfg>hi guys
09:40<johnfg>Just did a fresh install of lenny. Had been having some serious hardware problems, now corrected.
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09:41<fossiiil>i just discover PID assigning is not random, but incremental :-)
09:41<johnfg>I've always installed flashplayer per
09:41<babilen>,versions flashplugin-nonfree
09:41<judd>flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8
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09:42<babilen>johnfg: You can either install flashplugin-nonfree from backports (/msg dpkg bpo) or flashplugin-adobe (IIRC) from debian-multimedia (/msg dpkg dmm)
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09:43<johnfg>Thanks, I'm trying your suggestion(s).
09:44<ml|>it's flashplayer-mozilla for dmm
09:44<babilen>johnfg: I assume that you want adobe's flash - If you are interested in a free implementation: /msg dpkg flash; and read the wiki
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09:44<babilen>ml|: ah :)
09:44<babilen>ml|: hi btw
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09:46<johnfg>babilen, Right, the free didn't work so well for me in previous installation.
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09:47<babilen>johnfg: Ok, than it is either flashplugin-nonfree from bpo or flashplayer-mozilla from dmm :)
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09:49<johnfg>guys, thanks to all. I'm installing it at present. I better send an email to the author of the directions I had used, so he can update them.
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09:50<johnfg>When I now do update-alternatives, what's the quicker way, so I don't have to look at all choices of alternates for different programs?
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09:53<johnfg>Thanks again. The answer, which I'll write down (:-), is update-alternatives
09:53<tuxcrafter>hi all my openoffice in debian unstable keeps crashing when i rightclick text in a table and press copy
09:54<azeem_>tuxcrafter: file a bug
09:54<bremner>peej: DFSG is not a license, it is a set of guidelines. GPL is one license that meets those guidelines, the IBM public license is another. That says that postfix is free enough for Debian. Whether it is free enough for you is a question for you to decide, all I can tell you is that "GPL compatible" is the wrong question, since that talks about using code in a project with GPL licensed code.
09:54<ml|>johnfg: update-alternatives --config "link group" man update-alternatives; there are several
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09:57<johnfg>ml|, What are you meaning by, "link group"?
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09:57<ml|>johnfg: like pager, editor, etc..
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09:59<peej>bremner, I appreciate your patience and clarity.
09:59<bremner>peej: you are very welcome
10:00<ml|>johnfg: for example you do update-alternatives --displayer pager or --list pager to get more info
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10:01<johnfg>ml|, So, I guess I did it correctly, when I did update-alternatives --config
10:01<ml|>yes, only needed if you have more than one installed tho
10:01<johnfg>Correct, i.e., for choosing between the two alternatives.
10:02<johnfg>ml|, Exactly.
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10:05<ml|>johnfg: you can ls /etc/alternatives/ for a list of alternatives you can set
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10:42<kevin>hi eveyone
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10:43<goku>hi kevin
10:44<kevin>where is everybody
10:44<babilen>kevin: please state the nature of the technical emergency
10:44<kevin>i don't have a tehnical problem
10:44<kevin>i would like some hlep
10:45<babilen>well, ask your question then :)
10:45<babilen>kevin: and don't /msg me!
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10:46<goku>bye kevin
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10:48<babilen>Kellertuer: moin
10:48<Kellertuer>Ich versuche mich gerade an einem NFS mount. Das mounten klappt auch, gehe ich in das verzeichnis var/mymount/ kann ich auch wunderschön per ls den inhalt sehen, ich kann aber in kein Unterverzeihnis rein (cd: keine Berechtigung) und find so per Google nix. Ideen (außer rm -rf /) ?
10:48<dpkg>deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
10:48<babilen>Kellertuer: Oder versuche es hier auf Englisch :)
10:48<Kellertuer>mkay thx
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10:50<Kellertuer>So i sat the last hour getting my NFS mount to work. Mounting works fine, though the server is mac os. If i mount that under /var/mymount/ i can enter that directory and can get a listing. but i cant cd into any subdir. Suggestions?
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10:50<Francisco>hay alguien?
10:51<ml|>!es-social Francisco
10:51<dpkg>Francisco: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:56<shiznatix>Hello. I have been having massive problems with my video card (VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV515 PRO [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series]). I was trying to get 3d rendering to work but failed and thus reinstalled debian from scratch just the other day. Today, while watching a movie, x froze and after a hard reboot, I have this same problem that I kept having when messing with the prorpietary ATI drivers where the fonts are
10:56<shiznatix> super small everywhere. I don't get any errors but I am currently running the default drivers that debian installs itself. How do I get my system back to normal? My xconf here:
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10:58<locklace>shiznatix: you're best off asking in #debian-x, and #radeon on freenode
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10:59<shiznatix>locklace, thanks
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10:59<locklace>shiznatix: also paste output of "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-radeon" or whichever driver you're using
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11:01<locklace>shiznatix: can you try using this driver version instead,
11:01<locklace>it's much better than the stock lenny one
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11:03<ml|>dpkg: rocks
11:03<dpkg>Yer damned right...
11:03<shiznatix>locklace, sorry but, which one would best suit my card? I dont know much about the video card world
11:04<locklace>shiznatix: xserver-xorg-video-radeon_6.12.2-1~lenny1
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11:05<shiznatix>locklace, roger, will try
11:06<chl>when doing `aptitude safe-upgrade`, the console seems to hang at performing `Setting up grub-pc (1.98-1) ...'. Any place I can check what happened?
11:06<shiznatix>locklace, but is there a stable driver for ATI cards that will enable 3d rendering? I just want a stable system to play CS on
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11:07<chl>shiznatix: I think you may try 9.3 version, last time I heard someone said that 9.x still support ati series for linux
11:08<chl>but never successfully install it.
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11:12<chl>sorry, not aptitude safe-upgrade, but aptitude remove virtualbox
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11:13<johnfg>hi guys
11:13<babilen>welcome back
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11:14<johnfg>I plugged in my 8gb cruzer flash drive, and get this message: Cannot mount volume. Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume 'Cruzer'.
11:15<johnfg>I have no problem like this with Fedora 12.
11:15<chl>johnfg: have you tried mount it manually?
11:16<johnfg>chl, No, what would that command be?
11:16<fnmueller>johnfg: ntfs maybe
11:16<johnfg>I know something with mount, of course.
11:17<chl>mount -t vfat /dev/sdb? /path/to/dir/to/be/mounted
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11:17<johnfg>fnmueller, So, mount -t ntfs ? How do I find out what dev?
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11:17<fnmueller>johnfg: well, is the flash drive ntfs formatted?
11:17<johnfg>fnmueller, Yup.
11:17<ml|>dmesg should say the dev
11:18<brunux>somebody already develloped USB on Linux ?
11:18<brunux>i need help at programming USB on Linux
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11:20<johnfg>That's it! I used, mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb /media/cdrom and it worked.
11:20<ml|>!congratulate johnfg
11:20<dpkg>Yay johnfg, you did it!
11:20<johnfg>I only used cdrom because I didn't create another mount point yet.
11:21<ml|>johnfg: try usbmount
11:21<johnfg>ml|, Thanks! Hey, where would the normal mount point for the flash drive be, if it would have been detected automatically?
11:22<chl>johnfg: maybe you can try pmount
11:22<ml|>usually in /media but you can place it anywhere
11:22<chl>or check either dmesg or lspci -l
11:22<dpkg>from memory, usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>.
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11:23<ml|>not sure how usbmount works with ntfs tho, read/try the above
11:23<brunux>somebody know how to use a computer to function like a gadget usb to a injection plastic machine to mount a directory on my / and transfer a file?
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11:26<locklace>!slap usuario
11:26*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across usuario's face
11:26<ml|>usuario: stop coming here
11:26<usuario>ANDE ANDA
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11:52<mib_ldamev>hi all! I wish to upgrade to squeeze from Lenny. And my only concern is NVidia drivers in squeeze . Are they ok in squeeze?
11:52<mib_ldamev>can I easily use secon monitor (nvidia-settings)?
11:55<johnfg>Looks like I'll have to reboot for usbmount to be seen, as it's not after install.
11:55<johnfg>So, see ya later!
11:56<ml|>nvidia can be tricky in squeeze/testing as some packages are not in testing sometimes after a new kernel and you have to use the ones from sid
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12:00<tholmith>hello. is anyone using selinux with nvidia driver and compiz? i installed them using the info provided on the debian wiki, but for some reason if selinux is enabled i can't use compiz. any known workaround?
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12:00<seanius>tholmith: put it in audit mode and find out what's breaking?
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12:03<shiznatix>Hello. In my debian I have my speakers setup to the "Front" speaker outlet but on boot that is muted and turned to 0 volume. Every time I boot I have to unmute it and turn it up manually. How can I make it 100% and unmuted when I boot?
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12:04<cahoot>got alsa-utils in place?
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12:05<shiznatix>cahoot, me?
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12:06<shiznatix>cahoot, I do now
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12:07<shiznatix>or, I just installed it this second
12:07<cahoot>alsa-utils is supposed to take care of setting, saving and retroing sane mixersetting
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12:07<shiznatix>cahoot, should it just work out of the box then or do I have to configure it?
12:07<mib_ldamev>and is it possible to use older kernel version so nvidia card still working well?
12:07<cahoot>shiznatix: should just work
12:08<cahoot>shiznatix: test it - /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0
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12:08<cahoot>(presuming you have only one soundcard)
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12:09<shiznatix>cahoot, I do and I did that and the volume was reset to 3/4th volume on all fronts.
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12:10<tholmith>seanius, where exactly should i look?
12:10<cahoot>I suppose you could modify the script and add it as a new entry
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12:11<shiznatix>cahoot, ya, after some tests here it turns Master, PCM, and Front to about 3/4th volume, not saving what I had before running that command. How do I make it 100% or just what I had previously?
12:12<cahoot>shiznatix: as I said above
12:12<shiznatix>cahoot, ah sorry, but how do I configure the script and add it etc?
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12:13<cahoot>open it and read it's a plain textfile
12:14<cahoot>(commented too)
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12:16<shiznatix>cahoot, ah, looks like sanify_levels_on_card could be the culprit here
12:18<shiznatix>yep, it doesnt save the last one, it just uses it as a reset to specified levels of 80%. Anyway, I up-ed it to 100% and all works. Thanks
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12:22<vinicius>is there any way to get a timestamp giving an int time to $(date) ?
12:22<vinicius>cant find a way in the manual
12:24<meglaw>there is a manual?
12:24<titan8990>vinicius: int time?
12:24<titan8990>meglaw: yes, there are a lot of ways you can control the output format of date
12:25<vinicius>i want to give 1268414701 to date, and it returns me today... for example
12:25<titan8990>vinicius: what is 1268414701?
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12:25<vinicius>a unix date format int
12:26<titan8990>vinicius: still not quite sure I understand, but %s is unix time
12:27<deavid>vinicius: are you talking about "date" command? is %s format
12:27<titan8990>vinicius: you want to set the date using unix time?
12:27<deavid>%s seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
12:27<vinicius>titan8990, yes... but i want to use this a reference to generata %Y-%m-%d
12:27<vinicius>titan8990, yes
12:27<titan8990>vinicius: ok, now we are getting somewhere
12:27<titan8990>you want to convert unix time to real time...
12:28<vinicius>titan8990, yes... hehe
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12:29<deavid>vinicius: probably the solution is to use a interpreted language, perl, python, or so
12:29<vinicius>deavid, humn... date cant do it
12:29<titan8990>vinicius: try: `date -ud @ <unix time>`
12:29<Betty>adios asunormalao
12:29<wolf>I recommer that python has a fucntion to do it
12:29<deavid>yeah, that will do :-)
12:30<vinicius>titan8990, that doesnt work
12:30<vinicius>how can i get the days difference between two dates?
12:30<wolf>maybe you can read the documentation of python3.1
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12:31<paggas>I'm running on a laptop with one wired and one wireless interface. Since I always configure my network connection dynamically, could I remove all mentions of eth*/wlan* from /etc/network/interfaces? Since I use a bunch of different tools to configure the interfaces (e.g. dhclient and wicd), the information in /etc/network/interfaces is pretty much stale. Thanks for any info :)
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12:33<lantizia>Hey, can I get the "updatedb" command to some how index the contents of my mounted shares (in fstab) too?
12:33<lantizia>i.e. anything in /mnt/whatever also shows up when I do a locate
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12:35<paggas>Basically, what should I have inside /etc/network/interfaces regarding interfaces which are configured using tools that don't use that file? Could it cause problems with programs that rely on that file to learn about my network configuration? E.g. DNS servers (I'm running pdnsd).
12:35<titan8990>lantizia: look at --netpaths in the manpage
12:35<deavid>paggas: afaik, you should leave only loopback there and use the other tools.
12:36<paggas>deavid: Hmm, I'll try this.
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12:37<lantizia>titan8990, I don't see a --netpaths either on updatedb or locate
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12:37<chernyh>Hi All! I'm willing to upgrade to squeeze, but concerned about nvidia drivers. Are there any bad surprises? I have Acer laptop with NVidia card and I need to use second monitor with it...
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12:38<titan8990>lantizia: its in the updatedb manpage... what version of debian are you on?
12:39<lantizia>chernyh, lenny is whats on my server, my desktop is ubuntu
12:39<titan8990>!why stable
12:39<dpkg>If you have to ask which repository to use, the answer is usually <stable>. In the latter stages of a testing release (see <freeze>) it can sometimes be more useful to use <testing>. Don't be a sucker for shiny new stuff -- instead ask yourself if you'd rather have a stable machine that just worked or a bit off shiny stuff that kept breaking all the time (ask me about <moving target> <sns syndrome>). See also <bpo>, <ssb>.
12:39<lantizia>lol... naughty naughty with your CTCP versions :)
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12:39<titan8990>lantizia: who did that?
12:39<lantizia>titan8990, is that meant to be for me? lenny is stable
12:39<lantizia>titan8990, chernyh
12:40<titan8990>lantizia: yeah, the factoid was for chernyh
12:40<titan8990>lantizia: so the updatedb command you need to run... debian or ubuntu?
12:40<chernyh>yes, but I use it for my desktop and my colleagues are using squeeze for months now
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12:40<lantizia>ah ok... well anyway theres no mention of that syntax in the man page for updatedb on the lenny server
12:40<chernyh>the only thing worrying me is nvidia drivers
12:41<paggas>I've noticed that if I boot with eth0 connected to my DHCP router, I get a network connection before I even give the password for my encrypted hard disk! How can I stop that?
12:41<titan8990>lantizia: --netpaths=`path1 path2...`
12:41<seanius>tholmith: i don't use selinux on any of my machines, but i'd guess there's some file that controls which mode selinux boots into
12:41<titan8990>Network (NFS, AFS, RFS, etc.) directories to put in the database. The environment variable NETPATHS also sets this value. Default is none.
12:41<ml|>chernyh: nvidia can be tricky in squeeze/testing as some packages are not in testing sometimes after a new kernel and you have to use the ones from sid
12:41<lantizia>titan8990, so... updatedb --netpaths='/mnt/share1 /mnt/share2' ??
12:42<titan8990>lantizia: thats what it looks like, yes
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12:42<lantizia>updatedb: unrecognised option `--netpaths'
12:42<xente>if I build a package using dpkg-buildpackage, how do I get my machine to not want to upgrade it?
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12:43<lantizia>titan8990, are you sure this isnt' something thats like sid only ?
12:43<titan8990>lantizia: I am looking at the manpage on lenny
12:43<lantizia>as in... man updatedb
12:43<cahoot>!tell xente -about hold
12:43<lantizia>which line number?! lol
12:43<xente>cahoot: thanks
12:44<ml|>shouldn't updatedb just pick up everything unless you tell it not too? does here anyways
12:44<lantizia>ml|, no it doesn't cross non-local mounts
12:44<titan8990>lantizia: yes, what is the result of apt-cache policy locate?
12:44<xente>is there a way to have dpkg-buildpackage increment the version number by one?
12:44<ml|>lantizia: huh?
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12:44<chernyh>thanks all, bye
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12:44<titan8990>xente: change it in debian/rules
12:45<xente>titan8990: thanks
12:45<lantizia>ml|, say if you've got NFS or CIFS mounted shares in fstab... updatedb won't index inside them
12:45<ml|>lantizia: you ask in /mnt ; works here is all I can say
12:45<lantizia>titan8990, ok this is strange... but I have the locate and updatedb commands available to me... but the policy claims they arn't install and apt-get is now installing them
12:45<ml|>asked* bah
12:45<titan8990>lantizia: you may be looking at man 8 updatedb, which is for mlocated. specify: `man 1 updatedb`
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12:46<lantizia>titan8990, so how I have them on the system, yet not in dpkg I don't know
12:46<titan8990>lantizia: no idea. sounds like you had mlocate only
12:46<lantizia>ml|, well it depends of if your /mnt shares are non-local or not!
12:46<lantizia>titan8990, yeah mlocate!
12:46<tholmith>seanius, output of dmesg if i do setenforce 0 as root compiz can be started. but it seems to deny so many other things...
12:47<lantizia>so wait there are 2 lots of locate/updatedb !?
12:47<xente>titan8990: where in rules do I do that? sry if it's obvious
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12:47<retrospe1tacus>why can't I do "dmesg|tail -f"
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12:48<retrospectacus>I mean why doesn't it follow
12:48<xente>or is it in debian/control?
12:48<cahoot>retrospectacus: sid?
12:49<titan8990>xente: actually that may be the wrong file... its somewhere in debian/ though
12:49<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. See also or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>. There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful:
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12:49<retrospectacus>squeeze, but I have noticed this on many dists
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12:59<edhunter>does tail -f work for executable files?
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13:03<ml|>lantizia: got it to work?
13:03<violetta>qien sos?
13:03<ml|>!es-social violetta
13:03<dpkg>violetta: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:31<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
13:31<khades>too late
13:32<bja>Any voluntair to translate that?
13:32<khades>translate what?
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13:33<bja>khades: what kottok pasted
13:33<khades>he said "music"
13:34<khades>and nothin more
13:34<bja>ohh, thx
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13:34<engine>plop !
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13:41<Archdevil>Evening all. I get " SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version..." messages at startup when I run squeeze. I cannot find the messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages. Where can I locate these messages?
13:41<locklace>this channel has turned into 90% spanish spam and 9% "omg SYSFS squeeze"
13:43<Archdevil>Well, I am part of a minority then
13:43<bja>locklace: First part has been taken care off. Trying to limit spamm
13:43<Archdevil>I suppose a bugfix will take care of the second problem
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13:44<locklace>it's just packages with outdated udev rules files
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13:44<sney>Archdevil: when it says something like "x will be removed in future..." or "in future, x will require y" it's just a developer note and you can safely ignore it for normal use
13:45<Archdevil>I am sure that it will be solved. I was just curious where I could find these remarks in the log files
13:45<sney>it's probably on STDERR so it may not be logged at all, I can't remember the standard logging policy
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13:45<Archdevil>thanks sney
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14:02<sney>!es-social pablit
14:02<dpkg>pablit: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:10<sney>has perdido muchas cabras, bja?
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14:13<knoppix_user018>debian lenny has Common UNIX Printing System 1.3.8 - but is there some way to set a laser printer into landscape mode - and if there is, also later back into portrait mode ?
14:13<bja>sney: Algunas :)
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14:16<sney>knoppix_user018: I wish I understood CUPS.
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14:17<bja>knoppix_user018: that is printer dependant
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14:19<knoppix_user018>bja: not really. If you think about it, if the page is sent to the printer as an image, then it's the compiter's job to rotate the image, usually 90 degrees, if needed.
14:20<knoppix_user018><sney>: I was surprised that it's so easy to install. Just aptitude install cups
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14:21<knoppix_user018>Of course, then you need to install the correct driver for your printer, but someone in the ubuntu forums have done a good job expaining how ...
14:21<sney>the debian wiki has a fair bit on that as well
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14:21<knoppix_user018>Didn't find that, but the instructions for ubuntu worked well for debian too.
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14:22<sney>cups instructions in general are probably pretty universal
14:23<knoppix_user018>But that may depend on the printer model, and I am using what is called a windows GDI printer - but Nicolas Boichat has reverse-engineered the "windows-only" protocol and created a linux driver.
14:23<jhutchins_lt>knoppix_user018: Landscape vs. portrait is often done on an application level.
14:23<bja>sney: Maybe some of my goats appear around here, be kind and send them to #debian-es-cachondeo. Most know their way but there is the usual stray one :)
14:23<sney>bja: va le
14:24<knoppix_user018><jhutchins_lt>, Yes, you are correct, but not all applications are properly designed to offer that choice.
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14:25<knoppix_user018>And, what if you want to print a pure textfile, say, a screenshot of cfdisk - taken as text by copying and pasting into, for example, kwrite
14:26<knoppix_user018>in kwrite, I cannot find any setting to print in landscape mode
14:27<knoppix_user018>And the same with kate
14:27<xente>can someone tell me why java will only bind to ipv6 address space even after I modified /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf
14:28<sney>there must be some way to just pipe it directly to ghostscript with some switches so it comes out landscapey
14:28<jhutchins_lt>knoppix_user018: Something like gimp-print or even lp would work.
14:28<jhutchins_lt>xente: I thought java was a scripting language.
14:28<jhutchins_lt>man lp
14:29<xente>jhutchins_lt: scripting language? do you mean javascript?
14:29<svend>xente: Did you run /etc/init.d/procps reload?
14:29<sig_wall>xente: it will always setsockopt() it back for determined behaviour
14:29<jhutchins_lt>xente: No, java. It's a language.
14:29<xente>svend: I did
14:29<xente>jhutchins_lt: I know
14:29<jhutchins_lt>Why would a language bind to a port?
14:30<xente>sig_wall: can you explain a bit more?
14:30<xente>jhutchins_lt: you know what I mean
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14:30<jhutchins_lt>xente: Honestly I do not.
14:30<knoppix_user018>And, linux version of Opera also does not have any printer settings, how ever Opera for ms-windows does. I wonder why the difference ?
14:30<xente>jhutchins_lt: ok....when you create a socket in java, it only binds to the ipv6 address space in debian unless you tell it not to
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14:31<xente>but I told it not to and it still bound itself to ipv6
14:31<jhutchins_lt>xente: Sounds like one of those helpful defaults like DNS trying ipv6 first.
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14:31<xente>jhutchins_lt: true but it didn't bind to ipv4 at all and that's why I'm confused
14:32<sig_wall>xente: any application may setsockopt bindv6only for v6 socket
14:32<xente>sig_wall: but when I include in the java cmd line it will bind to ipv4
14:33<jhutchins_lt>xente: freenode has ##java
14:33<sig_wall>ok, it may also unset it.
14:33<svend>How should I set the version number for a local version of a debian package?
14:33<xente>jhutchins_lt: thanks, I might try it but I think this is debian specific
14:33<sig_wall>or use INET socket instead of INET6
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14:34<xente>but I'm not sure that makes sense when I pass -D...=true. It would not bind to anything if it really wanted INET6, right?
14:35<xente>but it does bind to ipv4 if I pass that argument
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14:36<sig_wall>i think that it than creates ipv4 socket but not ipv6
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14:37<xente>but that's my q....why would it only create an ipv6 socket even when /etc/sysctl.d/... says not to until I pass -D...=true?
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14:37<sig_wall>and always force bindv6only when ipv6 socket created. it is deterministic behaviour, what is is cool :)
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14:38<xente>I'm not sure I understand your last comment
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14:41<wolf>does anyone use gcl ?
14:41<alekibango>hello. do someone know how to limit disk i/o bandwidth for a process? a hint can save my day.
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14:41<wolf>i come across when learning lisp using gcl
14:42<sig_wall>xente: i think that ipv6 socket on cross-platform program must behave equally on different systems.. dual-stack sockets are only in linux. so it is explicitly enables v6only.
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14:42<xente>sig_wall: why? even after one sets /etc/sysctl.d/ipv6bind...whatever?
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14:44<sig_wall>this setting default may differ on different systems while java program usually expected to behave identically
14:44<xente>I see
14:45<locklace>wolf: is it even still being developed
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14:47<xente>so, how would one know to pass to get it to work for ipv4?
14:48<wolf>this is my code :>>(defmacro time_two (x) (* 2 x))
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14:48<wolf>>(defmacro times_two (x) (* 2 x ))
14:48<wolf>>(setf a 4 )
14:48<wolf>>(times_two a)
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14:49<xente>I mean, it's annoying to have to add that parameter to all of my java run scripts
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14:50<sig_wall>usually ipv4 and ipv6 sockets are created separately
14:50<xente>at the same time?
14:50<xente>I know they are but it seems these java programs are just trying to create a socket and it goes to ipv6
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15:01<jfisch1>Having some difficulty, searched release notes and online forums but can't find answer. I recently upgraded from Etch to Lenny, boots ok, get debian login screen, after I login, it presents with blank screen, mouse responds but no desktop. Tried changing i810 driver to intel (and tried vesa) in xorg.conf but didn't help. Any one might know where I can look for answer to problem?
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15:03<gdb>xente: Are you using OpenJDK or the GNU JVM?
15:03<xente>gdb: java-6-sun
15:06<xente>ultimately I am trying to get jradius to work but I don't know much about it. anyone here used jradius before?
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15:09<titan8990>jfisch1: did you try without a xorg.conf at all?
15:09<Gbash>Hi every body , i have Sony Vaio laptop and Debian Lenny installed on it and i can't get my webcam to work,so can any body help me please and thx in advanced .
15:09<jfisch1>yes i did,moved it to another name
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15:10<titan8990>jfisch1: pastebin your xorg log after trying to startx without a xorg.conf
15:10<Gbash>by the way my Vaio is Ar 850E and the cam is Motion Eye
15:11<Gbash>any body could help me please
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15:11<jfisch1>okay can do that, is it ok to paste here -- its long?
15:12<titan8990>jfisch1: use pastebin... its usually like 500+ lines
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15:12<gdb>jfisch1: You said you can login, so I would suggest backing up and deleting your GNOME configuration. This is suggested when upgrading from one release to another for just this reason. It's not always necessary, but it's worth a try for your issue.
15:12<titan8990>jfisch1: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.lg
15:12<titan8990>jfisch1: without the typo in the filename
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15:13<gdb>xente: You might look in the equivalent of /etc/java-6-openjdk/jvm.cfg and add the option there. Since OpenJDK is Sun Java (with a small percentage of encumbered functionality re-implemented) finding the equivalent file should be fairly trivial.
15:13<offpatkay>heloo all
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15:13<gdb>xente: That may not solve your issue, but that's where I'd start.
15:13<xente>gdb: I will check it out....thanks for the tip
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15:13<gdb>xente: Of course!
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15:14<gdb>xente: belay that
15:14<gdb>xente: there is a file in there as well
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15:14<gdb>xente: You may be able to add to that file instead.
15:15<xente>gdb: I will try that....thanks again for the help
15:15<gdb> is already in there, so ... worth a shot! And no problem!
15:15<jfisch1>i will try to pastebinit it, but not sure that networking is okay to get it there but i'll try
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15:15<jfisch1>i'll look into backing and deleting GNOME configuration
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15:23<Gbash>any heeeelp ?
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15:28<Gbash>heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp :(
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15:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:31<sney>Gbash: probably has what you need
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15:32<jfisch1>network okay, tried to install pastebinit but getting some cyclic dependencies with avr-libc, gcc-avr (>=1:4.3.0-3) and binutils-avr (>=2.18-4)
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15:33<usuarimestanzillao>hola tio
15:33<jfisch1>trying to figure out how to backup and delete GNOME configuration
15:33<sney>!es-social usuarimestanzillao
15:33<dpkg>usuarimestanzillao: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:43<jfisch1>okay backed up all the .gnome files in my home dir and removed them, rebooted but still get the same thing, no desktop and mouse movement after login
15:43<jfisch1>will try to figure how to get pastebinit installed
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15:51<flamenkito>alguno con moto?
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15:52<flamenkito>q raro sois
15:52<sney>!es-social flamenkito
15:52<dpkg>flamenkito: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:52<flamenkito>sois asi cortaiyo no?
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15:58<sney>!es-social BuTT-HeAd
15:58<dpkg>BuTT-HeAd: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:59<adb>alfa_, salut
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16:01<alfa_>i have a problem with kopete and pidgin, neither of them connects with may yahoo account
16:01<ninjafu>hello, I've reinstalled grub from my usb sidux. I have windows and a corrupted debian install on the drive, but the newly installed grub doesn't appear to have a config file set up, and all I get is a prompt with "grub: ". How do I get windows to load?
16:01<alfa_>any suggestions ?
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16:02<adb>alfa_, lenny ?
16:02<bja>alfa_: Check their version and check upstream not long ago yahoo changed protocols
16:02<adb>!pidgin bpo
16:02<dpkg>The package for <Pidgin> on (as of 2.6.2-1~bpo50+2) has voice and video disabled, as the libraries for these functions are not available in lenny. See
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16:02<alfa_>fresh install
16:02<bja>bitlbee allready fixed that but it is only on upstream
16:02<bja>alfa_: check the line above
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16:03<sney>ninjafu: if all you want to do is boot windows, you can boot a windows install/rescue disk and do 'fixboot' and 'fixmbr' from the recovery console. then you can reinstall debian and grub will install automatically as part of that process.
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16:04<ninjafu>sney: I don't have a rescue disk, all I have is a sidux usb install. Is there any way round that?
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16:05<sney>grub generally needs a working filesystem with its config files, so it depends on how corrupted your debian install is
16:05<adb>ninjafu, ask in #sidux
16:05<sney>adb, he's using a sidux live-usb to fix his debian install...
16:05<sney>(or attempt to)
16:06<adb>debian install has a cd (rescue included)
16:06<alfa_>i don't really know how to find the version nr. but i found the date of last modify : kopete Tue 19 Aug 2008 09:13:35 PM EEST , pidgin Thu 22 Oct 2009 12:08:54 AM EEST
16:06<ninjafu>sney: to be honest I just want to get windows working as I have important documents I need. I can try reinstalling debian later.
16:07<sney>you can boot things manually from the grub prompt, it's the same syntax as menu.lst
16:07<ninjafu>sney: is there anyway to do it from a sidux console?
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16:07<alfa_>adb: and i really don't know to what u refer when u say upstream
16:07<sney>on the other hand, if you just need to retrieve documents from your windows install, you can mount your windows partition and just copy them out
16:08<ninjafu>sney: Can I just edit a the proper menu.1st to make it book windows automatically?
16:08<adb>alfa_, install pidgin from backports
16:08<sney>the problem is that menu.lst needs a place to live that grub can see when your computer turns on
16:08<ninjafu>sney: not in the mbr?
16:09<alfa_>backports = unofficial servers?
16:09<alfa_>i gues
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16:09<sney>nope. the grub bootloader lives in the mbr, but the settings are in the filesystem
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16:09<sney>alfa_: backports is, it's official
16:09<ninjafu>sney: I have two ntfs partitions and 1 ext4 (with the corrupted debian) can I put it anywhere there?
16:10<sney>ninjafu: heh, if it's winxp you could use lilo, that bootloader lives completely in the mbr. does that liveusb you're using have lilo available?
16:11<ninjafu>sney: it is xp. Lilo is not in apt's repositories in sidux. Can I install a .deb and do it from there?
16:12<alfa_>i didn't use deb for some time and from noob now i'm uber noob :))
16:12<sney>probably, though it won't be officially supported
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16:13<allu2>i tried to upgrade form lenny to squeeze and now gdm doesn't work and upgrade get's stuck on udev and says i need newer kernel :S
16:13<allu2>what i should do?
16:14<astronut>anyone know a tool to load and print a website from the commandline? (graphical rendering please)
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16:15<allu2>anyone help me?
16:16<aja>que no te entiendo sorry
16:16*allu2 is hopeless
16:16<aja>no te entiend
16:16<bja>aja: Te apareció una ventana
16:16<cockroach>allu2: so upgrading the kernel package failed, to?
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16:17<allu2>cockroach: i don't know :( i just let it upgrade left came back reboot and now iam on this mess
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16:17<aja>me a salio q
16:17<alfa_>i get an error with public key for backports
16:17<allu2>cockroach: appereantly it didn't upgrade xorg too but when i tried to fix it i somehow got xorg remove so it's not pb anymore, now it's that it gives me that udev error
16:18<allu2>cockroach: it says my kernel doesn't support something it needs
16:18<cockroach>allu2: okay, let's get this fixed :). what does 'uname -r' say?
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16:19<cockroach>that's the lenny kernel, then.
16:19<cockroach>do you have 2.6.32 in /boot?
16:19<sney>alfa_: you have to install debian-backports-keyring
16:19<allu2>cockroach: no
16:20<cockroach>allu2: try running 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6'
16:20<cockroach>that should get you the latest kernel version
16:20<ninjafu>sney: I can't seem to find instructions on installing lilo from a usb drive to the main hard drive. Can you point me in the right direction?
16:21<allu2>cockroach: has no installation candinate
16:21<cockroach>allu2: don't thank me yet, might go wrong :)
16:21<cockroach>see? :)
16:21<allu2>cockroach: :P
16:21<allu2>cockroach: it game me some options
16:21<cockroach>err, hold on, not sure what the package is called then. are you on amd64?
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16:21<allu2>cockroach: nope no amd or 64 :P
16:21<cockroach>heh, i686?
16:22<allu2>intel celeron
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16:22<sney>ninjafu: you just have to set the proper devices and entries in lilo.conf then run lilo, it's all in the man pages. lilo is much simpler than grub.
16:22<aurorixi>kien eres
16:22<allu2>cockroach: so 686 i would think
16:23<cockroach>allu2: what does 'uname -m' say?
16:23<sney>!es-social aurorixi
16:23<dpkg>aurorixi: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:23<allu2>cockroach: cockroach 1686
16:23<cockroach>ok. try installing linux-image-686 then
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16:25<allu2>cockroach: ok it install 4 removes 157 and doesn't upgrade 4** packacges
16:25<allu2>seems to remove gnome
16:25<allu2>well i don't need it :)
16:25<cockroach>allu2: sounds... wrong.
16:26<cockroach>can you try using aptitude? rumor has it's sometimes less insane than apt... :)
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16:27<allu2>cockroach: i don't really mind of removing gnome :P
16:28<cockroach>are you sure it's just gnome? seems like an awful lot of packages....
16:29<allu2>cockroach: only thing i really worry a little is that my girlfriend is waiting i come after reboot that seems to take awully long :p
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16:29<cockroach>allu2: :)
16:30<allu2>huoh and how i told her how fast linux is :P i am sure i will hear about that later..
16:30<aurorixi>hello zobel
16:30<allu2>so many packages indeed
16:30<titan8990>!why aptitude
16:30<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
16:30<amphi>allu2: don't install X ;)
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16:31<allu2>amphi: skype is hard to use without :(
16:32<allu2>cockroach: now it installs packages tells how they have confligts and unmetdependisies and let them unconfigured..
16:32<titan8990>allu2: sounds like you are mixing releases
16:32<cockroach>allu2: ... but it's doing things?
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16:33<allu2>huoh i just wanted to try squeeze :P
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16:33<allu2>cockroach: yeah it do things :P
16:33<titan8990>allu2: but it sounds like you are not fully upgraded to squeeze
16:33<titan8990>allu2: pastebin your output
16:33<allu2>titan8990: how i copy directly from terminal?
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16:34<cockroach>titan8990: the problem seems to be that the upgrade process failed at some point and now udev won't install because he's still on lenny's kernel.
16:34<locklace>!lart usuario
16:34*dpkg stabs usuario
16:34<bja>!es-social usuario
16:34<allu2>titan8990: and how i install lynx while using apt-get :P
16:34<dpkg>usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:34<titan8990>allu2: `pastebinit`
16:34<bja>aurorixi: no
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16:34<aurorixi>porqe no no te entiendo???
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16:34<Gbash>Hi,i have Debian Lenny with the deafault kernel and 2.6.30,but i can't boot the 2.6.30 kernel cuz some modules can't be probed and i got the message "can't connect to X server" so i can't get into ther graphical interface ,wht can i do ,,,thx
16:34<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:34<titan8990>allu2: or, most people would ssh into the box and copy and paste from their host
16:35<allu2>titan8990: but it's still in middle of installation
16:35<bja>Ganneff: Taken care off allready
16:35<titan8990>allu2: you answered yes???
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16:35<allu2>titan8990: how i copy without X ?
16:35<bja>Ganneff: Iou an apology
16:35<aurorixi>bja olaaaaaaaa stoy aqui
16:35<@Ganneff>bja: forget it
16:35<allu2>i don't use so often text based
16:35<titan8990>allu2: ssh user@brokenbox, then copy and paste
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16:35<titan8990>allu2: or use pastebinit
16:35<allu2>titan8990: copy with what?
16:35<bja>Ganneff: ok
16:35<aurorixi>dime algo
16:35<bja>aurorixi: Tienes un mensaje privado
16:36<titan8990>allu2: what was the score on what you answered yes to?
16:36<allu2>i don't remember :S
16:36<bja>Ganneff: Silence aurorixi please
16:36-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*aurora@*] by Ganneff
16:36<titan8990>allu2: and why would you answer yes to something that leaves broken packages?
16:36<allu2>doesn't let me scroll up
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16:36<allu2>titan8990: i wonder that too
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16:36<titan8990>allu2: GNU screen is a wonderful tool
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16:37<allu2>titan8990: i still don't understand how you want i copy anything on this
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16:37<allu2>titan8990: or install while installing with apt-get
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16:37<allu2>setting up yelp....
16:37<titan8990>allu2: I wanted you to do it before you answered yes
16:37<titan8990>allu2: doesn't matter now... have fun
16:38<alfa_>adb: tnx
16:38<allu2>titan8990: i answered yes before we begin to talk :P
16:38<adb>alfa_, sa fii iubit
16:38<allu2>cockroach: you think i should let it install stuff or ctrl+c ?
16:38<cockroach>allu2: so, what's happening?
16:38<dpkg>from memory, testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
16:38<alfa_>sney: tnx
16:38<allu2>cockroach: still installing
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16:39<alfa_>adb: ms, ms ... la fel si tu
16:39<meglaw>i love running testing
16:39<cockroach>allu2: if it didn't say it's going to uninstall anything i guess you can let it continue
16:39<meglaw>i always run testing
16:39*cockroach too
16:39<meglaw>been running it since etch was testing
16:39<meglaw>no sid
16:39<allu2>Currenstatus 3 broken [-5], 821 updates [-17]
16:39<meglaw>or whatever, its been so long i cant remember
16:39<allu2>cockroach: says anything to you?
16:40<cockroach>allu2: not so happy about the broken ones, but i assume we can worry about those later.
16:40<allu2>uname didn't change at all..
16:40<titan8990>cockroach: i don't think thats really helping
16:40<titan8990>allu2: kernel upgrade requires a reboot
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16:40<allu2>titan8990: you say me good luck :P
16:40<cockroach>titan8990: i think once he gets the kernel updated and is able to actually install udev that should help make things less ... broken
16:41<titan8990>!udev squeeze
16:41<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>
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16:41<allu2>cockroach: in /boot there are still the same things
16:41<titan8990>cockroach: and hope one of those 3 broken packages isn't something like libc6?
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16:41<cockroach>titan8990: yep :)
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16:42<allu2>cockroach: so i reboot?
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16:42<cockroach>titan8990: i don't think aptitude would allow you to upgrade stuff that depends on new glibc versions without installing glibc, would it?
16:42<cockroach>allu2: no!
16:42<titan8990>cockroach: sure it would. it will warn you about it, and give a massive negative score
16:43<allu2>cockroach: soo?
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16:43<cockroach>titan8990: bad.
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16:43<cockroach>allu2: still no 2.6.32 in /boot, you say?
16:43<Gbash>Hi,i have Debian Lenny with the deafault kernel and 2.6.30,but i can't boot the 2.6.30 kernel cuz some modules can't be probed and i got the message "can't connect to X server" so i can't get into ther graphical interface ,wht can i do ,,,thx
16:44<cockroach>allu2: what does 'dpkg -l linux-image-686' say?
16:44<allu2>aptitude says libpisock9 breask udev
16:44<titan8990>Gbash: there is not a current release with a .30 kernel
16:44<allu2>cockroach: no packages matching...
16:45<cockroach>allu2: can you install it with apt-get now?
16:45<titan8990>allu2: just means you didn't have the meta package, which is why it didn't upgrade
16:45<titan8990>allu2: aptitude -t squeeze linux-image-686
16:45<titan8990>Gbash: what version of debian are you supossed to be running?
16:45<OPenaz>Hi, i need little help, after restarting network adapter, all ports are blocked. I can access server only remotely, so now, server is not accessible for me. Is there a way, how to get through firewall and re-open ports? Thanks
16:46<titan8990>OPenaz: local access or remote serial console
16:46<allu2>titan8990: aptitude install -t .... ?
16:46<titan8990>allu2: aptitude -t squeeze install linux-image-686
16:47<Gbash>i'm running Debian 5 Lenny
16:47<OPenaz>titan8990: server is located about 200km away from me, so it's not local access
16:47<titan8990>Gbash: where did you get the .30 kernel?
16:47<allu2>ok it's removing xorg :S
16:47<titan8990>OPenaz: is this a VPS or dedicated server?
16:47<titan8990>allu2: probably because xorg packages were broken
16:47<titan8990>allu2: I assume you answered yes without consulting us again?
16:48<allu2>:P yes but now number was 111
16:48<allu2>now 2 broken [-1]
16:49<OPenaz>titan8990: dedicated i guess, i'm sure, it's not virtual :)
16:49<alfa_>adb: inca o intrebare la azureus (vuze) imi tot da sa-i fac update cand il pornec ... ii dau si nu face nimic, il repornesc si imi da iar sa fac acelasi update ....
16:49<titan8990>OPenaz: does the hosting company provide a remote serial console or web interface?
16:50<alfa_>adb: ai vre-o idee cam ce ar putea fii?
16:50<titan8990>OPenaz: most likely you will need to submit a support ticket, and plan on restoring from backup, depending on your hosting provider
16:50<allu2>cockroach, titan8990 : the dpgk thing and ls /boot still same as before
16:50<titan8990>Gbash: hello?
16:51<OPenaz>titan8990: no remote console, own server, company just provide serverhousing for it
16:51<allu2>i reboot now? :P
16:51<cockroach>allu2: no
16:51<allu2>so what next?
16:51<cockroach>allu2: does 'apt-get install linux-image-686' do/say anything?
16:51<adb>alfa_, dezinstaleaza-l ;)
16:51<alfa_>de ce?
16:52<alfa_>adb: de ce?
16:52<adb>de aia ,
16:52<allu2>cockroach: yes but it's so long :(
16:52<alfa_>adb: sa-l iau de pe backports si pe asta?
16:52<titan8990>OPenaz: yeah, you will have to put in a support ticket with the people who provide the rackspace
16:52<alfa_>adb: sau stii altul mai bun?
16:52<noflash>alfa_, this is an english channel
16:52<OPenaz>titan8990: so i can't resolve it myself...i was affraid of this solution :( but thanks a lot
16:53<titan8990>OPenaz: I pasted some bad iptables rules once myself... I will never get another remote server without a serial console
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16:53<cockroach>allu2: do you have stuff other than squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list?
16:53<titan8990>OPenaz: anytime
16:53<alfa_>noflash: sry .. :(
16:53<jfisch1>gdb, titan8990: thanks for your help, got it to work. issues with pkgs gcc-avr and binutils-avr, apt -f install resulted in broken pipes, when did dpkg -i --force-overwrite <path>/<pkg>, then apt -f install it reboot system and prompted to install new gdm stuff (saved off the conf file), then when it reboot again all was fine!! Thanks so much!!!
16:53<adb>alfa_, nu , tot aia va face (update) see the config file
16:54<OPenaz>titan8990: serverhousing is free, company is just sponzoring no remote connection, no personal access (only with their technique)
16:54<allu2>The following packages have unmetdependicies: libpisock9: Breaks udev(< 0.136-1 ) but 0.125-7+lenny3 is installed and kept back.
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16:54<allu2>cockroach: hmm i watch
16:55<titan8990>OPenaz: its good to think about and plan for these kind of things ahead of time, because they *do* happen
16:55<allu2>cockroach: only #Multimedia
16:55<allu2>something debian-multimedia...
16:55<cockroach>allu2: just remove (comment) that for the time being. the less stuff in there, the better
16:56<cockroach>allu2: and apt-get dist-upgrade still wants to remove millions of packages?
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16:56<OPenaz>titan8990: now i know :) it's not same as virtual server on VMware...and i'm relatively new on time i will know to not restart net adapter
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16:56<allu2>cockroach: i run apt-get update first?
16:56<bob493>is there a guide that tells you what files to edit and configure after a debootstrap debian install???
16:56<bja>Ganneff: Please take the silence off aurorix i hope she will not connect any more today
16:56<cockroach>allu2: sounds like a plan
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16:57<allu2>cockroach: 99% [Waiting for headers.......
16:57<allu2>so long....
16:57<cockroach>allu2: happens
16:57<cockroach>allu2: just be patient :)
16:57<bob493>when I'm installing packages with aptitude it says "perl: warning: Settings Locale Failed."
16:57<allu2>cockroach: still :p
16:58<bob493>"Language = (unset); LC_ALL = (unset)..."
16:58<alfa_>adb: ok i think i get it :P
16:58<adb>heh alfa_
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16:59<allu2>cockroach: now it wants to install xorg back :S
16:59<cockroach>allu2: sounds reasonable :). does it want to remove anything?
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17:00<allu2>cockroach: didn't watch :P
17:00<cockroach>*sigh* :)
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17:00*allu2 has too little patiense
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17:02<allu2>cockroach: ok error on udev
17:02<allu2>error code (1)
17:02<allu2>and what we try next?
17:02<cockroach>and can you install linux-image now?
17:02<cockroach>linux-image-686, that is
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17:03<allu2>cockroach: wants to remove xorg...
17:03<Gbash>srry to be late
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17:03<Gbash>i got the .30 kernel from Debian repositories
17:04<cockroach>allu2: duh. what happens if you tell it to install not only the linux-image but also one of the xorg packages that it's trying to remove?
17:04<allu2>let me see
17:05<bob493>does anyone here have experience with debootstrap???
17:05<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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17:06<allu2>cockroach: just keep saying about the libpisock9
17:06<Gbash> i got the .30 kernel from Debian repositories
17:06<bob493>ok what files do I need to configure after a debootstrap install?
17:07<cockroach>allu2: sorry, bad memory, what does it say about libpisock9 again?
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17:08<allu2>cockroach: that it breaks udev
17:08<allu2>cockroach: as it needs upgraded udev witch needs updated kernel
17:09<cockroach>allu2: so what if you append udev and libpisock9 to that apt-get install command?
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17:10<allu2>cockroach: firts it tries to upgrade udev and fails
17:10<allu2>and then continues on others
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17:10<alfa_>how to dpkg a *.rar archive
17:10<meglaw>unpack it first
17:10<cockroach>bob493: have a look at
17:11<cockroach>allu2: so it *does* install the rest?
17:11<allu2>cockroach: nope as it still don't find the linux-image thing
17:11<cockroach>allu2: linux-image-686?
17:11<bob493>cockroach: ok thanks
17:12<cockroach>bob493: you're welcome
17:12<allu2>cockroach: yeah
17:12<allu2>cockroach: it doesn't install it
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17:13<allu2>cockroach: maybe i should remove libpisock9 ?
17:13<allu2>and try?
17:13<cockroach>allu2: that might remove your old udev package, not sure, but just try, it will warn you
17:13<cockroach>do *not* just say 'yes' :)
17:14<cockroach>titan8990: getting a little upset by the non-progress we're making here? :)
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17:15<cockroach>duh, stupid hardware not seeing more than 24 gigs of RAM.
17:15<allu2>cockroach: wants to remove evolution and upgrade udev score -1153
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17:16<alfa_>guys and girls 10x for the help, and have a nice day / night, bb
17:16<cockroach>allu2: hmm, though so. removing udev is generally a bad idea since it might become non-trivial to boot the system :)
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17:17<allu2>cockroach: but it's not removing udeb but upgrading it?
17:17<cockroach>so let me try to get this straight: if you enter 'apt-get install linux-image-686 udev libpisock9 xorg' it fails?
17:17<cockroach>allu2: oh, misread that
17:17<allu2>cockroach: aptitude?
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17:18<allu2>cockroach: apt-get tells to use apt-get -f install
17:18<cockroach>allu2: i see. and that one, of course, fails because of the udev thing
17:18<allu2>if i only coulg get the kernel and then udev
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17:18<cockroach>allu2: and aptitude only want to remove evolultion? nothing more?
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17:18<allu2>cockroach: and somepackages related to evolution
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17:19<allu2>cockroach: i try?
17:19<cockroach>allu2: but in the end that's not going to help because it won't be able to install udev. what if you try to install the kernel with aptitude and remove libpisock9 at the same time?
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17:20<allu2>cockroach: how i do that :S
17:20<cockroach>allu2: aptitude install linux-image-686 libpisock9-
17:20<cockroach>i think
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17:20<allu2>cockroach: isn't that installing them both?
17:20<cockroach>at least that's how you would do it with apt-get :)
17:21<allu2>:P ok
17:21<cockroach>allu2: no, notice the '-' after libpisock9
17:21<allu2>cockroach: wants to remove evolution
17:21<cockroach>just that?
17:21<cockroach>sounds reasonable
17:21<allu2>and the same packages i said before
17:21<cockroach>i mean, who doesn't? :)
17:21<Florentin>hi all!!
17:21<allu2>evolution-plugins and libpisync1
17:21<allu2>yeah :P
17:22<Florentin>have you some information about the freeze of squeeze?
17:23<dpkg>i heard siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? ,
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17:23<allu2>doesn't work :P
17:23<Florentin>thx cockroach
17:23<cockroach>glad i could help :)
17:24<allu2>cockroach: only 1 broken anymore!
17:24<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See
17:24<cockroach>allu2: which one?
17:25<allu2>and still didn't install linux-image-686
17:25<bja>!tell Florentin about squeeze pool 1
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17:26<cockroach>allu2: so, now if you apt-get install udev linux-image-686, what happens?
17:26<cockroach>or aptitude
17:27<allu2>3 new 160 removed 706 not upgraded
17:28<allu2>now xorg depens on udev
17:28<allu2>i remove?
17:28<cockroach>no, add it to the install command
17:28<cockroach>see what happens
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17:29<allu2>4 new installed others same
17:29<allu2>i say yes?
17:29<allu2>i have to go soon :8
17:30<cockroach>160 removed sounds pretty bad. i mean, there are some ditry things we can try..
17:30<allu2>i would just like to have X work to goto say why i didn't come :(
17:30<cockroach>so, you do have wget installed, i assume?
17:31<cockroach>then try this:
17:31<allu2>s*it and i have to write it :P
17:31<cockroach>indeed :)
17:32<cockroach>hold on
17:32<ml|>copy and paste if you use screen :)
17:32<cockroach>try :)
17:32<allu2>thank you!
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17:33<allu2>2 mins
17:33<cockroach>okay. after that, install it with "dpkg -i <filename>.deb"
17:34<cockroach>*if* that works, you can then proceed with apt-get -f install
17:34<titan8990>cockroach: no, not upset
17:35<titan8990>cockroach: I generally do not support squeeze though
17:35<cockroach>titan8990: sounds like a time-saving policy :)
17:35<ml|>yeah titan8990 hates stesting ;), heh
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17:36<allu2>cockroach: i think it's working :D
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17:37<cockroach>i mean frankly, testing *is* quite an attention whore. kind of like gentoo. if you leave it alone for too long it gets pissed...
17:37<cockroach>allu2: woohoo!
17:38<allu2>cockroach: but i need to be using the image to upgrade udev?
17:38<ml|>cockroach: that sounds more like sid, which is not supported here
17:38<cockroach>ml|: no, sid is just plain evil.
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17:39<ml|>heh :)
17:39<cockroach>allu2: using the image?
17:39<allu2>cockroach: i reboot and choose it from grub?
17:39<allu2>the wget result
17:39<cockroach>ml|: i still fondly remember the time when netbase broke in sid...
17:40<cockroach>allu2: did udev install?
17:40<allu2>cockroach: no as it needs the kernel thing
17:40<ml|>cockroach: so I take it you don't use sid any more? ;)
17:40<cockroach>allu2: but that one should be installed now
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17:41<allu2>yeah, thats why i tought i need to be on it :P
17:41<cockroach>ml|: exactly. i use the occasional package from sid (mostly xorg, because the radeon driver tends to be less broken than the one in testing), but that's it
17:41<cockroach>allu2: i would seriously hope that udev doesn't need the kernel to be running, otherwise it would be impossible to upgrade to testing :)
17:41<cockroach>allu2: just apt-get install udev and see what happens
17:42<allu2>cockroach: error :(
17:43<cockroach>i mean, there are still things we can try. how much in a hurry are you? :)
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17:44<allu2>well my dad said to close comp 15mins ago and gf has been alone about 1,5 hours...
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17:45<aja>hay algun español
17:45<allu2>cockroach: so what next? :)
17:45<bja>!es-social aja
17:45<dpkg>aja: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:45<ml|>es-ubuntu aja
17:45<cockroach>allu2: hold on
17:46<bja>ml|: missed !
17:46*allu2 was put on hold
17:47<cockroach>allu2: so you still cannot run apt-get -f install because udev complains? what does it say?
17:47<allu2>sooo long :'(
17:47<allu2>this pain to write
17:47<cockroach>do you have some keywords?
17:47<meglaw>squeeze broke asciijump! noooooooooo
17:47<meglaw>*** glibc detected *** asciijump: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x08ebf065 ***
17:48<cockroach>allu2: okay, got an idea
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17:48<cockroach>try "touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade" before you run apt-get -f install
17:48<allu2>sciense 150 udev requires support for CONFIG_SYSFSDEPRECATED feature is disabled in the running kernel
17:48<cockroach>that basically tells the udev package that you are currently upgrading your kernel and that it should stop whining
17:49<allu2>plz upgrade kernel before or while installing udev
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17:49<allu2>at your own risk force this installation and break your system
17:49<allu2>to put short
17:50<cockroach>allu2: try "touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade" before you run apt-get -f install
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17:50<cockroach>allu2: that basically tells the udev package that you are currently upgrading your kernel and that it should stop whining
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17:51<cockroach>allu2: (don't forget to remove that file when you're done, otherwise very very bad things might happen)
17:51<allu2>cockroach: thanks to remind :)
17:52<allu2>cockroach: no such file?
17:53<linuxguy_>Hi I am thinking of giving squeeze a tryout, Ive been told good things about it, is it worth a look at.......ive been told its quite stable?
17:53<cockroach>allu2: did you run the upgrade yet?
17:53<titan8990>linuxguy_: hello there
17:53<allu2>linuxguy_: ok i don't say anything now :P
17:53<allu2>cockroach: yes
17:53<titan8990>I just explained to him on the freenode channel
17:53<allu2>cockroach: and it worked i think
17:53<adb>linuxguy_, 23:46<linuxguy> Titan8990, thanks for your help
17:53<ml|>dpkg: tell linuxguy_ about testing
17:53<linuxguy_>titan8990, your here as well?
17:54<titan8990>linuxguy_: I am *everywhere* :)
17:54<cockroach>allu2: nice. so now if you run 'apt-get -f install' again it doesn't do anyhing?
17:54<allu2>cockroach: to run apt-get autoremove
17:54<allu2>but nothing else
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17:55<allu2>cockroach: i reboot?
17:55<cockroach>allu2: nice. just to be on the safe side, run update-grub first
17:55<linuxguy_>titan8990, i saw a squeeze video with kde4.4 today, I was intrigued because i cant see any reference to sqeeze/kde4
17:56<titan8990>judd: versions kdelibs4
17:56<judd>Sorry, no package named 'kdelibs4' was found.
17:56<titan8990>judd: versions kdelibs
17:56<judd>kdelibs -- etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch1; etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-8etch3; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7.dfsg.1-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny3; lenny-security: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-0lenny4; sid: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3; squeeze: 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3
17:56<allu2>cockroach: done and now?
17:56<allu2>reboot finally?
17:56<cockroach>allu2: now it might be okay to reboot. let's hope so :)
17:56<ml|>allu2: good luck
17:56<allu2>thank you!
17:56<allu2>i'll be back
17:56<cockroach>we'll be waiting
17:56<allu2>see ya
17:56<titan8990>linuxguy_: if you want a bleeding-edge KDE distro... there is one pretty obvious choice
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17:57<chance2105>linuxguy_, I like Debian testing, but unless I had a reason, I don't use it. Valid to me reasons are unsupported or incompletely supported hardware, software not available through, etc.
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18:02<cockroach>hey, you're back
18:02<allu2>udev throws errors and in end internet doesn't work and i don't have drivers for my wlan card
18:02<allu2>acx is missing compleatly
18:03<ml|>maybe time for a reinstall?
18:03<allu2>how i get to this point so often
18:03<cockroach>allu2: what if you run apt-get dist-upgrade now?
18:03<cockroach>allu2: nah, we can fix that
18:03<titan8990>YAY! squeeze ftw
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18:03<titan8990>!udev squeeze
18:03<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>
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18:04<ml|>allu2: maybe testing is not for you
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18:04<bob493>how can i find the uuid of my parititions? what's the command?
18:04<allu2>cockroach: werd thingsd
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18:04<allu2>cockroach: it wants to downgrade something to testing verision :S
18:04<ml|>bob493: blkid
18:05<cockroach>allu2: hrm.
18:05<allu2>cockroach: it wants to remove non free parts of ffmpeg
18:05<cockroach>allu2: i would recommend you let it do that
18:05<bob493>thanks ml|
18:05<allu2>keep linux-image-2.6.686 on same
18:05<allu2>and amsn too
18:06<cockroach>allu2: btw, it seems you lose
18:06<dpkg>Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 802.11b wireless LAN chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx driver. Lenny users, see for installation instructions. Removed from testing due to build failure on Linux 2.6.32 (Debian bug #563474). This driver does not support <WPA>. Device matrix: #acx100 on
18:06<allu2>ou *uck
18:07*allu2 watches ubuntu installation cd
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18:07<cockroach>allu2: heh
18:08<allu2>cockroach: you think i should try?
18:08*allu2 remebers how all begin by arora 0.2...
18:08<allu2>in lenny
18:08<allu2>and i wanted 0.10..
18:09<cockroach>i can't answer that. if i say yes we just wasted a significant amount of time, if i say no you stay without wireless networking :)
18:09<allu2>heh i have to have it :P
18:09<allu2>my server uses wired and modem runs out of places
18:09<allu2>leaving this on wlan
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18:10<allu2>well thank you all for helping :)
18:10*allu2 learned a lot today
18:10<allu2>expecially cockroach , thank you :)
18:10<cockroach>heh, you're welcome. if you want to learn even more, you can try *down*grading to lenny and backporting arora :)
18:10<allu2>cockroach: tried already ;)
18:10<allu2>thank you also titan8990
18:10<cockroach>(and no, downgrading is not supported and should not be done)
18:11<allu2>that explains
18:11<allu2>why last time it didn't work out so well :P
18:11<cockroach>it *can* be done, if you're careful
18:11<dpkg>methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
18:11<allu2>then i actually had squeeze but it crashed every second boot :S
18:11<cockroach>sounds enjoyable
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18:12<allu2>well see ya :)
18:12<allu2>good night, hyvää yötä, bonne nuit
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18:21<bob493>in '/etc/crypttab' how can I refer to a source device by its uuid
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18:22<clinton>Hi, is there a guide to getting drupal working on lenny. I installed the drupal6 package, then copied /usr/share/drupal to /var/www/drupal, but whenever I go to it just prompts me to download index.php. Is there something else I should do?
18:22<bob493>would it be like '/dev/sda/"the uuid"' or would it be '/dev/sda/by-uuid/[UUID of your device]'?
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18:23<bob493>or maybe would it be '/dev/disk/by-uuid/[UUID of device]'?
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18:25<ShenLung>clinton: you have apache with mysql?
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18:26<ShenLung>clinton: you testet, if php works?
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18:27<clinton>shenlung: I think the mysql package downloaded with drupal
18:27<clinton>along with apache
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18:27<clinton>shenlung: how do I test php?
18:27<andy_>I have a weird problem with lenny working on IBM X3650
18:28<ShenLung>clinton: what? First you have to install apache+mysql+php, then you can install drupal
18:28<ml|>bob493: the second should work
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18:29<ShenLung>clinton: look this
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18:31<paggas>andy_: Just state your problem and maybe someone will help :)
18:31<ml|>andy_: ask a real question, if you want help
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18:33<andy_>server running lenny, IBM x3650, two broadcom ethernet devices... eth0 goes to lan eth1 goes to wan, if the server is not using eth1 the it stops of recieving data, but the interface is up, no problems, no logs... nothing.. mii-tool says everything ok... any clues??
18:34<bob493>ml|: so the '/dev/sda/by-uuid/[UUID of device]'?
18:34<ml|>yes, that should work
18:34<bob493>ok thanks :)
18:35<clinton>shenlung: I followed the instructions in the page you gave me but its still just prompting me to download index.php
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18:36<ShenLung>clinton: then I think your php doesn't work. You have php5 installed and tried the test.php from the page?
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18:37<themill>!php wants me to download still
18:37<dpkg>Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verify that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at (Apache 1.x).
18:37<ml|>bob493: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ <-- the second
18:37<paggas>andy_: Huh, I didn't get the problem...
18:38<bob493>ml|: ok thanks for the clarification :)
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18:42<andy_>the server has eth0 and eth1, eth1 is connected to wan... in some moment and can send and recieve data from and to internet, but in other momento it freeze... I can't even send or recieve a ping in eth1... my configuration is fine.. and in the moment of the problem mii-tool says everything is ok
18:42<paggas>andy_: The interface freezes and unfreezes randomly?
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18:44<andy_>sometimes... other way is restarting both interfaces with networking restart, because ifdown eth1 does not help, and sometimes neither do networking restart
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18:45<andy_>if you ask for the router or the switch, there are more servers connected, and the problem happens in two equal servers ibm x3650
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18:55<linuxguy_>titan8990, are you still........had to be somewhere else for a bit hence late reply
18:56<linuxguy_>>>oops issed out here
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19:06<adb>got ventilator issue , it start every , say 15 sec , but without apparently reason, laptop is idle, temperature in room is ~15 ℃ , any ideas?
19:07<adb>doing same thing on 2.6.26/ or .32
19:08<ml|>adb: this started recently?
19:08<adb>yes , in last ~2 days
19:08<bja>adb: Do you have a cat as a pet, or a dog?
19:09<ml|>maybe a hardware issue?
19:09<adb>bja, not near here
19:09<andy_>so, no ideas about my problem?
19:09<bja>adb: Either case, a can of compressed air can help you a lot
19:09<ml|>good idea to clean that laptop out
19:10<adb>ml|, last clean has 2 weeks
19:10<bja>be carefull you have to take all the dust and god knows what else is on your heat disipator
19:10<ml|>hmm, sounds like sound hardware issue then
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19:11<bja>adb: it will not hurt you. I had one lap that had to be cleaned every week or else it would overheat and shutdown
19:11<adb>bja, laptop is all in free space
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19:11<adb>laptop is cold always parts
19:12<ml|>adb: I mean like a faulty sensor or such
19:12<bja>adb: Faulty hardware sensor
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19:12<ml|>!lose bja
19:12<dpkg>bja: You Lose.
19:12<adb>that's bee
19:13<bja>adb: what does acpi -V tells you about the temperature
19:13<adb>acpi: command not found ..
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19:15<adb>it seems that's not installed
19:15<bja>adb: I am looking for the package, i just don't recall the name of it
19:16<bja>adb: it is called acpi, install it, it should display the lots of usefull info on your lap (battery and thermal)
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19:16<adb>bja, thanks
19:18<adb>Thermal 0: ok, 31.0 degrees C
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19:18<adb>Cooling 0: Processor 0 of 7
19:19<npxx>help me pls for avermedia hybrid dvb-s,dvb-t,analog fm tv card
19:19<npxx>not for
19:19<npxx>not work
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19:20<adb>second test get Thermal 0: ok, 29.0 degrees C
19:21<bja>npxx: Try to be more specific write down all the steps you have taken to make it work and be more precise on your question what is not working.
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19:21<bja>adb: your laptop is running very cool, mine is at 42.5
19:21<adb>sa said here in 15 degrees C
19:22<npxx>02:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors Device 7160 (rev 03)
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19:22<bja>!tell npxx about paste
19:22<npxx>avermedia a707 tv card
19:23<npxx>not work
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19:23<bja>npxx: be patiente someon will eventually know the asnwear
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19:25<npxx>does not recognize my card
19:25<linuxguy_>adb, wewre you telling me good stuff abour debian squeeae last nie?
19:25<linuxguy_>oops nite
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19:25<npxx>ı need my card driver for linux
19:26<adb>linuxguy_, was not me
19:26<bja>adb: take a look at /etc/acpi and man acpid maybe your defaults are not the ones optimal for your machine
19:26<linuxguy_>adb, sorry.......thaanks
19:26<adb>bja, ok thanks
19:27<adb>but i just acpi ...
19:27<adb> but i just installed*
19:27<npxx>More than 1 year became a kind of this card can not run
19:28<bja>/etc/acpi is the config dir for acpid which is the deamon that hands the info to acpi
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19:29<npxx>pls help me
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19:40<adb>bja, now is 28.0 degrees C, and seems ventilator is stopped ..
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19:41<bja>ok, it will start in a few seconds, strange ...
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20:00<bja>adb: check syslog look for Thermal Zone [THM] Mine is 25 C)
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20:05<Mitar>hi, how can I found out from a script if my script is running on i386 or amd64 platform?
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20:05<sney>Mitar: uname -m
20:05<Mitar>the problem is that i get x86_64 and i686
20:06<Mitar>i would like to get the same names are they are used in package repositories
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20:07<bja>Mitar: do a table for that if a then b if c then d
20:07<dkr>uname -m |grep -q x86_64 && echo amd64 || echo i386
20:07<sney>well there you go
20:08<Mitar>ehm, thanks, but i would like to find some way to get it from dpkg or something ... so to have exactly the same value dpkg is using for packages so that i do not need to reinvent the wheel
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20:08<Mitar>dpkg --version prints it ..
20:08<dpkg>Mitar: i haven't a clue
20:09<dkr>get it from kernel or libc package, perhaps?
20:09<Mitar>dpkg --print-architecture
20:09<Mitar>that is even better ;-)
20:09<dkr>heh, cool
20:10<Mitar>this is exactly what i was searching for ;-)
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21:06<bja>Since compression and encryption are close relatives, encrypting a compressed file will rendered the same level of protection as encrypting a plain text file, and the size of the output file will be similar?
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21:14<bja>thx guys i found the solution
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21:25<servernoob>so I'm new to building web servers and want to make a server that is secure as possible...or at least very secure
21:26<servernoob>I've been doing a decent amount of research, today mostly, and wanted to check with the people here about the correct partition sizes I should allocate per each folder
21:27<servernoob>*mount points, not folders
21:27<dondelelcaro>servernoob: depends on what you're doing
21:27<dondelelcaro>servernoob: my personal suggestion would be to use lvm for everything except /boot, make your best guess with a reasonable amount of unallocated space in the lvm, and then grow things as necessary
21:27<servernoob>eventually what I would like to accomplish is to build a fake web hosting company (this is for a class)
21:28<servernoob>so the main capabilities I would absolutely need are apach, php, mysql
21:28<servernoob>which I know how to get
21:29<servernoob>I'll prob also be adding email server and ftp server
21:29<servernoob>yea, thats what I've been reading
21:30<servernoob>could u explain, briefly, what the difference between lvm and standard partitioning is?
21:31<servernoob>I've been looking at these instructions most recently:
21:31<servernoob>which says what ur saying
21:32<servernoob>but I'm not sure why the "/" and "swap" partitions are formatted differently
21:32<servernoob>other than their note, which said that lvm is not a filesystem
21:34<servernoob>would their partition sizes be large enough to account for the web server, email server, and ftp server?
21:34<servernoob>sorry for all the questions
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22:32<lantizia>is mono-common (and probably thus tomboy) a default installed package for users of CD1 on lenny?
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22:39<servernoob>anyone here use webmin?
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22:39<dpkg>from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
22:40<servernoob>didnt look too safe
22:42<ml|>lantizia: btw, figure out the updatedb thing?
22:42<lantizia>ml|, nah I gave up
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22:43<ml|>lantizia: need to man updatedb.conf and look at /etc/updatedb.conf
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22:43<ml|>nfs and cifs are listed in PRUNEFS=
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22:45<ml|>try removing those and NFS; then do a manual updatedb
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22:46<lantizia>I don't need it now, that was hours ago, forget it
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22:50<bpocock>jrib: tried adding a blank line, still not working... could it be a problem with the executable file thats preventing it from running on intervals but allowing it to run on boot?
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22:59<aabrown>okay now I am registered
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23:14<servernoob>what ftp package would u guys recommend?
23:14<ml|>aabrown: /msg dpkg test ; to test that you are here/connected
23:14<sney>servernoob: if you *need* ftp, vsftpd is the recommended one, followed by proftpd, but I prefer to just stick with sftp
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23:15<ml|>^ agreed; except I would just use ssh with rsync or scp as needed
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23:16<servernoob>nice, I was just looking at the vsftpd
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23:16<sney>ml|: sftp because it's directly supported by pretty much every gui ftp client in existence, to keep the $other_os clients happy
23:16<servernoob>wouldn't most servers need ftp?
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23:17<ml|>depends on your needs/usage
23:17<servernoob>it's going to be a webserver
23:17<ml|>sney: I see, not an issue here tho
23:17<servernoob>so ftp is necessary
23:17<sney>ftp is the traditional way to upload files to a public server, but there are newer and more secure ways to do that now.
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23:18<ml|>that can be done with http and should be better from what I've read
23:18<prufrock51>i use scp for webservers...
23:18<prufrock51>with mozilla ftp client
23:18<prufrock51>secure and easy
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23:21<servernoob>thanks for the suggestions
23:21<sney>just keep reading, and don't do anything just because it's the way you think other people do it
23:21<ml|>you can always just use scp in a terminal also
23:21<servernoob>yea i know, I'm just trying to get this up and running
23:22<servernoob>but i want it as secure as I can get it
23:22<ml|>in that case read and take your time
23:22<sney>sftp et al are quick and secure to set up because they're part of the ssh package. if you have ssh already running, you've got sftp! hooray!
23:23<sney>while a truly secure ftp server is a pain and a half to get right the first time
23:23<bja>servernoob: stick to what sney said. Remember also that strong passwords are a must
23:24<ml|>keys with strong passphare is another option with ssh
23:24<servernoob>if I install vsftpd and use that for now, I can always go back and upgrade to something different
23:24<servernoob>not sure if thats the best approach
23:24<servernoob>but this is my first server
23:25<ml|>and disabling password authentication for ssh
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23:26<servernoob>how difficult would it be to create a fake web hosting site...aka a site that would act as a webhosting site for a class
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23:26<sney>servernoob: pretty easy
23:26<servernoob>i was going with ftp, cus that's what I've always used in the past to add files to a paid webserver
23:27<sney>I have a development webserver running off a laptop, it only took me a couple hours to set it up
23:27<servernoob>yea, thats what I was thinking
23:27<bja>servernoob: apt-get install apache2 and its allready up
23:27<sney>(a couple hours including the debian install and the fight with the wifi card)
23:27<bja>then you obviously have to put the content
23:27<servernoob>lol yea
23:28<servernoob>ive done more web development, than I have server development
23:28<sney>mysql-server winds up being required a lot of the time too, and php5
23:28<bja>you don't fight wifi cards, you use the magic words, please and thank you. if the little suckers don't work you beat the crap out of them
23:28<servernoob>thats what I was planning on using
23:29<sney>it falls off the network a few times a day, I have a cron script to put it back on once an hour, it works well enough
23:29<ml|>can also try nginx or lighttpd
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23:30<servernoob>I'm just now sure how to set it up so "potential" customers can choose packages and be allocated resources to create their own sites
23:30<servernoob>all fake of course, but the functionality needs to be there
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23:44<clocker>Can't get my time to register correctly. The gui won't make the choices stick for time zone. Even setting it manually I can't set it without it changing it back before I'm finished. Ideas?
23:45<sney>set it with 'date' and /etc/timezone ?
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23:46<johnfg>hi guys
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23:47<johnfg>I installed both usbmount and pmount, but neither seems to be able to mount my cruzer 8gb flash drive, formatted as ntfs.
23:47<johnfg>I added ntfs to the usbmount.conf, but it still won't mount.
23:48<johnfg>Any ideas?
23:49<johnfg>I'm not totally sure about running pmount. I tried pmount usb, then usb0, put get an error.
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23:57<chl>for ntfs r/w you need ntfs-3n
23:58<clocker>sney, no /etc/timezone to be found, but ended up using tzselect. We'll see if that sticks
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