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00:10<nopolen>yea i a noob
00:11<nopolen>how do i install win app in backtrack4
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00:29<slb_>is there a way to set up a vpn so it can work with the vpn setup that is inherent in windows?
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00:53<ju_ka>hi
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00:55<sten>adb: thanks for all your time!
00:56<adb>sten, you welcome
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01:05<twb>slb_: yes.
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01:33<amol112>hi all, i have compiled 2.6.33 kernel but while compiling some driver with respect to 2.6.33 getting error as arc/x86/Makefile_32.cpu : no such file or directory
01:34<amol112>is it debian packaging bug or kernel bug?
01:34<amol112>i feels debian bug
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01:44<slb_>twb: what shoudl i set up in order to use the vpn client inherent in windows
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02:23<Lanz>slb_ you should set up pptp on the Debian VPN server
02:23<Lanz>You can find a guide on the Debian wiki I believe
02:23<Lanz>If not just Google a little, it's super easy to set up
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02:24<amol112>my usb modem 0451:6060 is not getting detected in network manager..any driver issue?
02:24<slb_>i set up openvpn which seems to be alright
02:24<slb_>i guess deployment is kind of a pain in the ass
02:24<amol112>i did modprobe usbserial vendor=0x0451 product=0x6060
02:25<amol112>after this device got detcted in dmesg output but not showing network manager
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02:32<adb>amol112, judd> [0451:6060] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=0451:6060
02:32<amol112>adb this is not PCI device it is USB to serial
02:32<jm_>he did the right thing with vendor= and product= options
02:33<amol112>jm_, but next i am missing some steps due to which it is not recognising as ethernet device
02:33<amol112>not displaying in network manager as usb ethernet icon
02:34<jm_>amol112: as ethernet? surely it's a serial (character) device
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02:35<jm_>amol112: I can't really help with NM side - I've done this once with some motorola GSM modem and modprobing usbserial this way helped recognize it and then it was usable with tools like gnokii
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02:44<amol112>jm_, any user space driver as well require for these type of modem
02:45<gsimmons>amol112: What specific modem is this? (brand, model)
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02:45<twb>adb: is that an up-to-date lspci database?
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02:52<amol112>MTNL made
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02:53<amol112>twb, but after doing modprobe with vendor name it has to detect and display in network manager
02:54<twb>amol112: the only support I will provide for NM is helping you purge it.
02:54<twb>amol112: I recommend wpa-cli, wifi-radar, or wicd. These Do Not Fuck with the rest of your system, they JUST handle the wifi AP configuration.
02:55<amol112>twb, using these will it be possible to configure modem
02:56<twb>Ah, well, I haven't had to deal with HSDPA modems, but I imagine you just use a static pppd configuration.
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03:01<jm_>yeah if it's ppp you simply use it via its serial device file I imagine
03:01<twb>jm_: AIUI all HSDPA modems just act as PPP from the software perspective.
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03:06<skhater>hi all
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03:07<skhater>unable to enumerate usb device No.1
03:07<skhater>erro
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03:08<jm_>twb: yeah, otherwise I suppose there would be even more problems with them in linux
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03:11<cenobyte>why wont alacarte save my menu settings in LXDE? Im running debian lenny.
03:12<jm_>from what I can see alacarte is a gnome tool, so why should it work for lxde?
03:13<jm_>due to its freedesktop.org menu spec? does lxde support that too?
03:13<cenobyte>http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions#How_do_I_add_custom_sub-menu_and.2For_launcher_to_LXDE.27s_main_menu.3F
03:14<cenobyte>according to that it supposed work
03:14<jm_>check what alacarte writes to the disk then
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03:15<cenobyte>ok ill check
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03:20<cenobyte>brb
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04:01<matlads>quiet?
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04:21<jmm>hi !
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04:44<amol112>hi lbp3300 canon printer is not working..
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05:02<marlen>hello I'm using debian lenny.how can I install amule?
05:03<twb>!tell marlen -about apt-get install
05:04<marlen>yes
05:04<marlen>I'm a beginner
05:04<amphi>is anyone else on squeeze getting "Can't grab mouse" errors from things like xprop & xtrlock?
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05:05<twb>amphi: did you just upgrade Xorg and/or consolekit?
05:05<noflash>marlen, debian.org/doc there is an installation guide and a reference
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05:05<marlen>ok
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05:06<amphi>twb: it's all up to date as of ~1 hour ago
05:06<twb>amphi: that's not what I asked.
05:06<amphi>twb: but I've had this for some time now; I thought perhaps they were squabbling with unclutter, but it seems not
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05:06<twb>OK, if this is an old problem then my idea isn't relevant.
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05:07<amphi>old means weeks, rather than months
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05:08<amphi>AFAICS, anything that tries to grab the mouse seems to fail - xmag is another
05:08<marlen>how can I run apt get install package?
05:08<twb>marlen: do you know what a shell is?
05:09<amphi>twb: what was your idea, BTW?
05:09*MeCooL i`m back
05:10<twb>amphi: a guy in #ratpoison yesterday had pointer vs. keyboard focus issues after upgrading xorg and consolekit; restarting X and/or rebooting fixed it.
05:10<marlen>I'm afraid I don't.I used to have xubuntu and I knew how to install a package from a terminal,on debian I'm not able to do it..
05:11<twb>marlen: why aren't you able to?
05:12<marlen>because I don't know what to do,"how to install from a terminal" on debian
05:12<twb>marlen: it's no different.
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05:17<marlen>oh thank you,I,ve just seen..I didn't know it was the same ,thank you.just resolved.
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05:18<marlen>but now there is another problem concerning portforwarding..any help?
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05:21<twb>marlen: what of it?
05:22<amol112>what is package name for cups canon daemon /etc/init.d/ccpd
05:22<twb>!tell amol112 about apt-file
05:22<marlen>I have low id on amule and I'm trying to do the portforwarding
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05:29<twb>marlen: are you attempting to violate copyrights?
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05:30<marlen>no,I'm trying to configure amule.
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05:41<twb>Huh. Wikipedia says that all eDonkey server implementations are proprietary.
05:44<azeem>something is WRONG on the internet!
05:44<twb>azeem: I'd go so far as to say MORE THAN ONE thing.
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05:50<twb>I'm building a headless "appliance" host, runs dhclient to configure its networking.
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05:50<twb>I plan to implement a monitor script that will check that eth0 if up, has an IP, and a route -- and if not, to make some beeps, then issue an "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0".
05:51<twb>Is there a better way to perform the check than grepping the output of "ip addr show dev eth0" and "ip route show dev eth0"?
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05:52<seeS>depends on what you mean as "down"
05:53<twb>I already have other tests for e.g. ping and mii-tool.
05:53<twb>So this test is basically "did dhclient succeed, and get enough information?"
05:54<seeS>i think that's the only way
05:54<Imran-UK>would not the ping test satisfy the need for the ip command grep test?
05:54<Imran-UK>eg. ping -I eth0 <ip which uses the route>
05:54<twb>Imran-UK: yes, except that I'd like to give different beep sequences for different kinds of failure
05:55<twb>e.g. if the cable is unplugged, I can have it emit "CBL" in morse, which is makes it easy to debug if $end_user holds their phone to the machine
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05:55<Imran-UK>twb, i see. very interesting use case here
05:57<twb>You can emit morse easily using the cw* packages, fyi
05:57<twb>It's a really cute idea
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06:01<seeS>use the ping as the trigger then the subsequent test to isolate the fault
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06:14<robert-39839>I'm trying to figure out how to report a networking issue regarding 2 of the 4 AAAA RRs for security.debian.org - all the resources I've seen seem to center on the OS itself. Any pointers would be great.
06:14<seeS>that would be the sysadmins or hostmaster
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06:15<jm_>tried this? http://www.debian.org/security/faq#contact
06:15<peej>should streetview work in firefox in debian lenny?
06:16<twb>peej: that's a question for whoever runs streetview
06:16<peej>I just get a black screen (with a little map view inset)
06:16<twb>peej: afaik there's nothing particularly special about Debian's iceweasel.
06:17<seeS>q
06:17<robert-39839>jm_: I will try - thank you.
06:17<themill>peej: it certainly used to work but now appears not to
06:17<peej>themill, same experience here. Used to work, no longer.
06:18<themill>peej: it's fine with iceweasel 3.5 from backports.org
06:22<twb>Is there any libvirt documentation that doesn't assume I'm running some damn silly GUI in front of it?
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06:23<twb>I basically just want to use libvirt to formalize the interface to my existing qemu VMs and planned LXC jails.
06:24<mattyh88>hi, i'm having troubles with virtual box & debian. I haven't got internet connection apparently in my debian (guest os). (Setting is NAT in virtual box)
06:24<mattyh88>i've set up a static ip address, everything works with dhcp set up .. but I'd like it to be static ^^
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06:24<twb>mattyh88: why not simply configure your DHCP server to provide it with a fixed IP address?
06:25<mattyh88>is that possible with a simple dhcp server that's built into my router? :p
06:25<twb>I generally prefer that to static configuration, because then only one side of the link has configuration to babysit maintained.
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06:25<twb>mattyh88: that would depend on what DHCP server you installed on your router.
06:25<mattyh88>i'll have a look ^^, thanks
06:26<twb>mattyh88: both dnsmasq and ISC dhcpd support it, at least.
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06:26<twb>mattyh88: however, if you're NATting, the only DHCP server that could matter would be the one virtualbox provides.
06:27<mattyh88>i suppose? :p
06:27<mattyh88>haven't got a clue
06:27<mattyh88>in' it anything to do with my dns?
06:27<mattyh88>cuz like in windows you have to set up that aswell
06:27<mattyh88>when manually configuring your IP
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06:28<twb>If you're using DNS for hostname resolution (which is typical, these days), that would normally be provided by DHCP or set manually for static links.
06:29<mattyh88>so you're saying i don't need to configure anything extra?
06:30<mattyh88>ah no
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06:30<mattyh88>i have to set it manually
06:30<mattyh88>hm
06:30<mattyh88>is there a way to see what I'm currently using as dns?
06:30<mattyh88>in debian
06:30<seanius>cat /etc/resolv.conf
06:30<mattyh88>great, thx
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06:32<twb>That assumes /etc/nsswitch.conf uses "files dns" (or similar) for the hosts database, which is likely.
06:32<mattyh88>aha .. it looks like dns is configured right
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06:32<mattyh88>i can see the same ones as my host os is using
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06:34<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to block a USB device from connecting "USB2.0"? Using lenny...
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06:36<twb>Does dhclient keep retrying in the background *forever*, or does it give up after a while?
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06:38<mattyh88>are you talking to me, twb? :p
06:39<twb>mattyh88: no.
06:39<mattyh88>sorry =P
06:40<Gathond>twb: both as far as I know
06:40<Gathond>it will keep trying
06:40<Gathond>but it will also after the initial set of attempts wait a while before trying again
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06:40<twb>Gathond: doesn't it just use a backoff algorithm?
06:40<Gathond>probably
06:40<twb>I'm trying to decide whether my watchdog script should bounce the interface or not
06:41<Gathond>I don't know the details, I never wait for it to retry on its own
06:41<twb>Me either
06:41<twb>But usually I'm in front of the machine :-)
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07:01<EmleyMoor>Anyone managed to get BBC iPlayer Desktop on amd64 yet?
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07:06<MIOW>hello :) anyone knows if Webсam Logitech QuickCam C120 works with Debian Squeeze?
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07:08<peej>miow, you need to look up the usb id and search if that chipset is supported
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07:09<themill>MIOW: the debian and ubuntu wikis have good sections on webcams
07:10<twb>EmleyMoor: isn't that just flash?
07:10<twb>EmleyMoor: also, does it switch to proper HTML5 video if you use webkit?
07:11<amol112>is there any way to do reverse engineering like getting source from binary file of c program??
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07:11<EmleyMoor>No, it's not "just" flash
07:12<themill>EmleyMoor: is this a standalone desktop app?
07:12<MIOW>peej: thanks, don't you know how can i check it? i did't buy it yet
07:12<EmleyMoor>It needs AIR - and if I install that, iPlayer breaks totally
07:12<twb>AIR?
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07:12<MIOW>themill: so far i know it's already supported by ubuntu..
07:12<EmleyMoor>It's the thing you need for downloadind
07:12<EmleyMoor>downlading
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07:12<EmleyMoor>Adobe Integrated Runtime
07:12<twb>I don't use flash, so I have no idea what you're talking abou- OK.
07:13<EmleyMoor>It's not flash - but it's causing a flash breakage
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07:13<themill>EmleyMoor: looks interesting... I'll have to look into it, given that the BBC has just pulled the rug out from under get_iplayer onme
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07:14<peej>miow, with difficulty. It's not usually printed on the box. You could use a live cd and an lsusb. Or dig it out of the windows registry if it is running already with an MS windows machine
07:15<themill>MIOW: that's _probably_ a good sign then.
07:15<EmleyMoor>themill: I have told them "make it work"
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07:15<peej>themill, thanks, iceweasel from backports-lenny fixed the streetview blackscreen on lenny problem
07:16<themill>:)
07:16<MIOW>peej: thanks a lot :) i will try to do that
07:16<MIOW>themill: yea :)
07:16<themill>EmleyMoor: I told them "stop being prats and let us use other players"... I presume that one got forwarded to /dev/null too.
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07:17<twb>MIOW: usually what you can do is ask google about "linux support" + "<product name>" or so, and someone else has listed the lspci / lsusb output
07:18<twb>MIOW: of course, most vendors will change the underlying chipset without telling you, so that's only a guide
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07:20<MIOW>twb: thanks for the tip! :) i've found that now
07:20<MIOW>product ID 0x080f and chipset SPCA2211
07:20<jm_>ahh so 3.5.8 is in backports now, i guess i won't bother building it next time
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07:21<twb>MIOW: so now you can google for something like "SPCA2211 linux support"
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07:21<themill>jm_: yeah, amd64 packages have been on bpo for a while; i386 only for a couple of weeks
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07:24<MIOW>twb: yea, already did that
07:24<MIOW>seems it's supported
07:24<MIOW><3
07:24<MIOW>http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/linux-uvc-devel/2009-December/005377.html
07:24<jm_>there's spca driver in lenny for older kernels, and newer kernels have it built-in
07:24<twb>MIOW: you should also bear in mind that there can be a big difference between "supported out of the box" and "supported after you jump through a dozen hoops"
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07:26<MIOW>twb: what could "a dozen hoops" be?
07:26<MIOW>in ubuntu 9.10 it's supported out of the box now..
07:28<twb>MIOW: like, fetching upstream mainline kernel, and a patch for 2.6.18, and trying to merge them
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07:32<ecm>my wall paper isnt working
07:33<ecm>i done that alt - sysrq - k and it didnt work
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07:37<MIOW>twb: i see..
07:37<MIOW>thanks :)
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07:40<chanell>ciao
07:40<chanell>!list
07:40<dpkg>chanell: VATTENE VIA
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07:42<boolean>what is the process name of iceweasel?
07:42<boolean>i get a iceweasel is already running message when trying to start it
07:42<babilen>firefox-bin IIRC
07:42<Torsten_W>firefox-bin
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07:43<boolean>thanks
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08:15<chl>is it safe to remove .cache folder under $HOME dir?
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08:18<babilen>chl: Move it somewhere else and see the effect. I would say that it is pretty safe, because i think that all data contained in it is generated
08:19<babilen>chl: "mv ~/.cache{,_bkp}"
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08:24<chl>babilen: at the moment it looks ok. thank you.
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08:28*MeCooL i`m back
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08:47<EmleyMoor>Is there a way with lenny to prevent a device being treated as USB2? I have a device that is unreliable on USB2
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08:53<twb>EmleyMoor: meaning, you want to force it down to full speed?
08:53<twb>A simple way would be to put a full-speed hub between it and the computer
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08:55<mercutio22>Hello there. I am having trouble with internet. I am connected to wifi but cannot ping anything
08:56<mercutio22>even raw ip addresses, which seems to rule out DNS problems
08:56<mercutio22>any clues on what I could look into?
08:56<locklace>mercutio22: how about IP addresses on the same lan, like your default gateway
08:56<twb>mercutio22: are you breaking into someone else's wifi access point?
08:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 386] by debhelper
08:57<locklace>mercutio22: also paste outout of iwconfig and ifconfig -a at http://paste.debian.net
08:57<mercutio22>twb: no. I am using my own. Something happened locally I think I might have messed up some config file. I was trying to install and learn Nagios yesterday.
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08:58<mercutio22>locklace: how should I check for gateway problems?
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08:58<mercutio22>locklace: in the router?
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08:59<twb>mercutio22: start by examining the network setup on your local machine
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08:59<locklace>mercutio22: why don't you start by doing what i asked
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09:00<mercutio22>locklace: sorry, I had missed your line
09:00<mercutio22>just a sec
09:00<locklace>mercutio22: to be clear, i asked you to do three things: try pinging other addresses on your lan, including the address of your default gateway, which you should be able to find in the output of netstat -r; paste the output of iwconfig; and paste the output of ifconfig -a
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09:09<mercutio22>locklace: here, http://debian.pastebin.com/Q9wj8Lam
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09:11<locklace>mercutio22: so can you ping 192.168.1.1 or not
09:12<mercutio22>locklace: no
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09:13<mercutio22>locklace: I should be able to, thats my router.
09:13<locklace>mercutio22: paste output of "ping -n -c 10 192.168.1.1" and "arp -n"
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09:13<locklace>mercutio22: and "iptables -vL"
09:14<mercutio22>ok.. just a moment
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09:17<mercutio22>AAA\
09:17<mercutio22>ops
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09:22<mercutio22>locklace: http://debian.pastebin.com/qununaxQ
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09:23<mercutio22>something seems wrong with irssi
09:23<mercutio22>nvm
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09:25<locklace>mercutio22: this would be a good time to start looking at your AP's network settings and diagnostics. if you can initiate a ping from it to your host (192.168.1.103), do so
09:25<locklace>mercutio22: has this link ever worked for you?
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09:26<mercutio22>locklace: yeah, it used to work
09:26<locklace>mercutio22: also consider using tcpdump to see what's happening on the WLAN in general and when you're trying the ping
09:26<locklace>mercutio22: what changed between when it worked and when it stopped
09:27<locklace>mercutio22: your wlan adapter is online, associated with the AP, and both sending and receiving data. furthermore, arp to the AP is working fine. in short, the wlan data link seems just fine.
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09:29<mercutio22>locklace: so it should be a router problem. I will try to look into it. About the tcpdump suggestion, I see no manual entry for that, what do you propose I should do exactly?
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09:29<locklace>mercutio22: aptitude install tcpdump. but first, answer the "what changed" question
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09:33<mercutio22>locklace: I can't really tell. But you where right, it is a router problem
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09:33<mercutio22>locklace: I just unbound ip and macadress and now I have internet access
09:33<locklace>!congratulate mercutio22
09:33<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies mercutio22, you did it!
09:34<mercutio22>!thanks locklace
09:34<dpkg>my pleasure, mercutio22
09:34<mercutio22>that didn't go as expected =
09:34<mercutio22>]
09:34<eric_netbook>I got a basic install done from the netinstall image of testing but couldn't access the network. now that networking is working how can I get the installer running to finish package selection and install
09:35<mercutio22>well, thanks a lot locklace
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09:37<jm_>eric_netbook: you don't use installer now, use regular tools (tasksel, apt*)
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09:38<eric_netbook>how do I tell what the installer would have installed?
09:39<eric_netbook>are there metapackages that cover the installer catagories?
09:39<jm_>tasksel provides that
09:40<eric_netbook>ah thanks
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09:46<inkbottle>hi, (already on #deb-gnome): "Hi, I've tried to put mutter (sqeeze) on a thinkpad T40; but the display was totally scrambled. I already has such issue on other computer (nv driver). I haven't seen a bug report concerning that."
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09:48<inkbottle>sometime the display had came back to normal by C-A-F1 then back to f7, but not every time. Also the fan was turning faster (more noise)
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10:12<eric_netbook>does tasksel set the pkgs to be installed first such that if someting such as power induced failure happens it's easily recoverable?
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10:24<aurorixi>ola
10:25<aurorixi>hello
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10:29<bgat>I'm trying to make debootstrap create a valid /etc/fstab and /etc/inittab for a specific platform I'm working on, but can't find the package that contains those files. Where are those files created?
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10:30<twb>bgat: fstab, at least, is created magically by d-i.
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10:30<twb>bgat: but check base-files, too
10:30<bgat>twb: I suspected that, since apt-file search didn't turn up either file.
10:31<twb>I would expect inittab to be prepared by sysvinit
10:31<twb>bgat: apt-file doesn't know about files that are generated by preinst/postinst code
10:31<bgat>aah
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10:31<bgat>twb: so I'd have to get the source for base-files, for example, and look at it closely?
10:32<twb>bgat: or just install it in your chroot, which deboostrap probably already did, unless you've told it you're cross-building, in which case the postinsts can't be run
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10:33<bgat>twb: debootstrap just creates an empty fstab. I know what I want in there, just don't know how to get it there.
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10:33<knoppix_>hello
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10:34<bgat>twb: hmmm, I didn't think about the postinsts problem. I'm cross-building, in fact.
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10:35<anita>HooLaa!!
10:35<bgat>maybe I should just stick to doing it manually...
10:35<@Ganneff>!es
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10:38<twb>bgat: you ought to find some documentation where someone has done this before
10:38<twb>bgat: using qemu-static's cross-CPU ELF emulation would be an ideal solution, IMO
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10:40<bgat>twb: I'll look into that. thanks!
10:41<twb>bgat: incidentally, if you get it working, look me up and give me the details
10:41<bgat>ok :)
10:41<twb>bgat: I'm interested but haven't found time to experiment yet
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10:42<AlMu>hello
10:42<AlMu>hola
10:42<bgat>twb: I wonder if an easier way would be to have a platform-specific package that set up fstab, inittab, /dev, etc. and then just add that package to the debootstrap command line?
10:42<bgat>!es
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10:43<twb>bgat: that doesn't solve the general case
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10:43<twb>bgat: consider e.g. installing postgres into the cross-chroot
10:43<domzinique>!hi
10:43<dpkg>hello, domzinique
10:44<Cadmium01>Greetings everyone
10:44<Cadmium01>I'd like to use rsnapshot to backup my data, but there's one particular thing that worries me: Since it uses hard links to minimize space used and create incremental backups (which is great to save space) what happens if the source is compromised?
10:44<bgat>twb: ok, I'll bite even though I don't need postgres. what's the issue?
10:44<bgat>:)
10:44<twb>bgat: it's postinst is nontrivial
10:45<twb>bgat: it doesn't reduce to "create some files"
10:45<domzinique>I installed KDE and chose GDM as my default Desktop Manager. KDE is installed in a strange language (maybe arabic) which I can't read. How do I change the language setting? I use Debian Lenny 5.04 with kernel version 2.6.26-2-686.
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10:46<bgat>twb: so postinst for postgres would have to run in second-stage, which means it already has to have a valid rootfs and inittab--- otherwise you wouldn't be able to boot into the environment that can run postinst.
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10:47<bgat>twb: if my sole objective is to just make sure that first-stage can create an inittab and fstab, so that the (cross) rootfs is bootable, it still seems like having a platform-specific package that contains those files would do the trick...
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10:48<twb>bgat: remind me again why you can't just write those files by hand?
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10:48<twb>bgat: for fstab, at least, that's unavoidable
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10:50<bgat>I've been writing them by hand all along. :) I'm just heading towards a custom repo because of other packages, and I'm wondering if it's possible to have a cross debootstrap that yields a bootable rootfs in a single step.
10:50<anthony_>good morning
10:50<bgat>twb: a custom, platform-specifc repo at that
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10:51<bgat>twb: as things are now, I'm debootstrapping from the standard repos, and then manually tweaking the rootfs before booting and running the second stage on the target
10:52<bgat>twb: maybe I should run this same question past the emdebian guys...
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10:52<twb>bgat: oh, I see.
10:52<twb>bgat: if you're providing a static .deb yourself, in a private repo, that makes sense
10:53<twb>bgat: what wouldn't make sense is for Debian to try to provide such a package in its main archive.
10:53<twb>emdebian would definitely be a good place to take it
10:55<bgat>twb: actually, it might make sense. if there was a "n2100-platform-stuff.deb" package that you could include in debootstrap from the main repos, then that might allow people to create their n2100 rootfs using debootstrap rather than through the installer on an actual n2100. Might be a way to do such platform-specific stuff without disturbing the generic packages at all
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10:56<twb>I don't really see why you couldn't just have a script that runs debootstrap then has some cat >/target/etc/fstab <<EOF's
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10:57<bgat>twb: one way towards the solution is to hack the generic packages to make them platform-specific, and then have platform-specific repos. those obviously can't go back into the main archives. But if the changes can be implemented using platform-specific packages that sit alongside the main repo packages, then those _could_ go into the main repos without distrurbing anyone
10:57<bgat>twb: there's no reason I can't go about things that way--- it's what I'm doing now. just mulling over ways to make things more package-centered
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10:59<KTL>what are the general things to know when working with java in linux? (or are java programs in debian naturally broken?) (examples of things that go wrong: eclipse crash at startup, a bit later eclipse updates not working, a bit later eclipse classic updates not working, netbeans install of downloaded plugins misses ... modules? ) it seems i am missing some basic java-on-debian knowledge here, any clues?
11:00<KTL>there is a update-java-alternatives
11:01<KTL>chosing the gcj probably breaks most things? am i right?
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11:06<twb>KTL: did you apt-get install eclipse?
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11:07<aurorixi>ola
11:07<aurorixi>ola
11:07<aurorixi>hello
11:07<babilen>hello
11:07<aurorixi>que tal???
11:07<babilen>!es
11:07<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:08<aurorixi>bien mal o regular
11:08<aurorixi>???
11:08<babilen>!es-social
11:08<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:09<aurorixi>babilen:¿de donde esos?
11:10<aurorixi>de madrid,barcelona...
11:10<sdk>Hrm.. Not finding this easily in Google. I'm trying to connect to a remote server using X through SSH. I need to connect with an userid that is not the one I'm using on my local system. Moreover, I need to see the desktop that is *currently* running on the remote system. Any suggestions on how to do that? I can successfully connect and run programs (i.e. xterm).
11:10<locklace>aurorixi: solo ingles aqui, perra
11:10<aurorixi>no me da la gana
11:10<bgat>sdk: vnc?
11:10<aurorixi>locklace:¿cuantos años tienes?
11:11<sdk>bgat: looking.
11:11<locklace>aurorixi: mayor que tu. hablan ingles
11:11<bgat>locklace: he's probably just a 'bot
11:11<aurorixi>pero... cuantos años tienes
11:12<aurorixi>????
11:12<sdk>bgat: thanks, btw. Sorry, didn't intend to seem terse. ;)
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11:12<babilen>aurorixi: Stop it please
11:12<aurorixi>dimelo porfa
11:12<bgat>sdk: me neither :)
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11:12<aurorixi>porfa dimelo
11:13<aurorixi>porfa,porfa,porfa
11:13<aurorixi>...
11:13<locklace>aurorixi: ingles o sera expulsando y prohibido
11:13<aurorixi>no me da la gana
11:13<bgat>locklace: tell him bye-bye already :)
11:13<aurorixi>porfa porfa porfa
11:14<aurorixi>...
11:14<locklace>!ops aurorixi
11:14<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: locklace complains about: aurorixi
11:14<aurorixi>no
11:14<LoRez>aurorixi: done then?
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11:15<aurorixi>que dices?? en español
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11:15<aurorixi>porfavor
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11:15<LoRez>try #debian-es
11:15<berto>aurorixi: este canal es de habla inglesa
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11:15<babilen>aurorixi: "/server irc.freenode.net" and "/join #ubuntu-es" have a good day
11:16<aurorixi>y donde me tengo que meter para ablar español
11:16<aurorixi>???????????
11:16<berto>aurorixi: #debian-es
11:16<bgat>!es
11:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:16<aurorixi>y eso donde esta
11:16<aurorixi>???
11:16<babilen>!ubuntu-es aurorixi
11:16<dpkg>aurorixi: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
11:16<aurorixi>noooooooo
11:16<aurorixi>me voy
11:17<locklace>aurorixi: hablan ingles o salir
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11:20<bgat>twb: just sent the question to the embedded guys, I'll take the discussion over there. thanks!
11:20<KTL>twb, yes i apt-get everything
11:21<KTL>twb, but i do use unstable (do things work better in stable? ...)
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11:28<No1>heck debian servers
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11:33<aurelian>hello , can someone tell me from where i can get the nvidia driver installer ?
11:33<kop>KTL: Unastable breaks all the time. That's why it's called unstable.
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11:34<kop>aurelian: The first question is why not use a driver that comes with debian. Otherwise....
11:34<kop>!tell aurelian about nvidia
11:35<aurelian>kop , after a fresh install of debian , there are no drivers installed
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11:35<aurelian>oh , ok
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11:38<aurelian>kop , then , could you tell me how to install libc development package ?
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11:41<kop>aurelian: aptitude install libc-dev (probably)
11:41<kop>!tell aurelian about nvidia pre-built
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11:42<kop>aurelian: If you have to compile and you're not an expert you're setting yourself up for problems.
11:42<aurelian>kop , i know that , but i have no other choise
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11:44<prahal>aurelian, install build-essential
11:44<kop>prahal: Excellent point.
11:46<aurelian>prahal: ok , i'll try to do that
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11:55<SouLakos>TCW_,
11:55<SouLakos>oups :p
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11:57<Goldline>For performance is Debian 5.0 faster than Ubuntu 9.10 ?
11:58<fnmueller>performance in terms of....?
11:58<Cadmium01>How can I switch from Gnome to command line and back?
11:58<Goldline>Hosting a gameserver
11:58<Goldline>Through debian 5.0
11:59<Goldline>specifically hosting a css gameserver
11:59<Cadmium01>Goldline, Why dont you benchmark it?
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11:59<Goldline>I havent tried it yet but i thought that you would know
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11:59<fnmueller>still, what would yuo measure?
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12:00<Goldline>Speed/bandwidt/ performance/required ram if thats lesser
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12:00<Goldline>those kind of things
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12:01<Cadmium01>How can I switch from X to command line screen and back to X?
12:01<Goldline>ctrl a+d
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12:01<Cadmium01>Goldline, is above a reply to my question?
12:02<prahal>ctrl+alt+F1 then to go back ctrl+alt+F7 (consoles F1 to F6, X above)
12:02<Goldline>Its ctrla a+d through putty
12:02<fnmueller>Goldline: well, if you can configure a gameserver (which I somehow doubt), then you would realise how similar ubuntu and debian are (just that ubuntu has some ugly patches and shps less stable but more bleeding edge)
12:02<Cadmium01>prahal, thanks
12:02<Goldline>is it faster?
12:02<Goldline>hm
12:02<fnmueller>Goldline: therefore - if you can configure a server - it should not make much of a difference
12:02<prahal>Goldline, this command you told would restart the computer ... funny :/
12:03<Goldline>Im using that through putty
12:03<prahal>is d delete ?
12:03<prahal>oh sorry :)
12:03<twb>Has anybody built pbuilder-like infrastructure on top of libvirt (esp. lxc)?
12:03<Cadmium01>I love linux
12:04<Goldline>But you cannot tell me which one of the two is faster?
12:04<prahal>twb, qemubuilder ?
12:04*twb looks
12:04<Cadmium01>Goldline, Debian is Faster.
12:04<Goldline>Thats also what i though -:)
12:04<Cadmium01>THe quality of the questions determines the quality of the answer
12:04<Goldline>but i want exactly sure
12:04<fnmueller>Goldline: no, I think noone can. There are just too many specifics in this question.
12:04<prahal>Goldline, network bandwidth should not be different (this is the kernel after all ... one could have more up to date patches or less stables ones)
12:04<twb>Goldline: you have to benchmark it yourself.
12:05<Goldline>Ubuntu is build upon debian so i thought that debian would be faster because thats the core
12:05<Cadmium01>the fact is he wants to use Debian but is unsure of speed, I say the difference in resources and speed could be so trivial that in any case usign a Debian would be much more stable and thus preferred choise
12:05<Goldline>less services / ram required
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12:05<Cadmium01>Pls the fact that Debian ROcks!
12:06<Cadmium01>Goldline, use Debian
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12:06<Goldline>Arew the commands almost the same as ubuntu's?
12:06<twb>prahal: looks OK, but not a perfect match for what I'm thinking of.
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12:07<twb>Cadmium01: less kool-aid, please.
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12:07<prahal>twb, yes though libvirt is quite new . I don't know if anybody stepped up to the task of doing a qemubuilder above it
12:07<Goldline>Are the terminal commands the same as ubuntu's ?
12:07<fnmueller>Goldline: pls, just don't admin a server if you don't know the answer to your question
12:07<twb>prahal: nod.
12:07<twb>Goldline: mostly, yes.
12:08<Goldline>So its kinda straight forward you can directly install a css gameserver through the commands available at srcds.com
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12:08<prahal>Goldline, they are forking slowly . I thing they use a "service" command to manage the init scripts right now
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12:08<twb>Ugh, libvirt pull in gods-damn hal
12:09<Goldline>The UFW is also included in Debian ?
12:09<Goldline>sudo apt-get install ufw?
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12:09<Goldline>IPtabled / UFW
12:10<prahal>yes though I prefer more simple / more complex for my needs (gui frontend with alert for newcomers and shorewall for servers)
12:10<twb>Goldline: why do you want ufw?
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12:10<prahal>I don't know if ufw support ipv6 (I use it)
12:11<twb>prahal: I believe it does.
12:11<Goldline>To configure the ssh port port to only allow incoming connections from my ip to avoid hackers
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12:11<twb>prahal: it's basically a bunch of iptables-restore chunks and a little python to read/write one end-user chunk.
12:11<twb>Goldline: and iptables wrapper, or bare iptables, can do that.
12:11<Goldline>Btw i always set the ssh port to a port above the first 1056 ports
12:12<Goldline>22 is well-known by hackers
12:12<twb>Goldline: ITYM 1024.
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12:13<Goldline>Theres no UFW in Debian 5.0 ? cuz ur taling about ip tables / wrappers
12:13<prahal>that s why I only allow a white list of users on ssh server
12:13<twb>Goldline: ufw is an iptables wrapper.
12:13<prahal>not perfect but it avoids to leave open test accounts or such
12:14<prahal>knock is an option I ought to have installed ... I am lagging
12:15<twb>prahal: IIRC shorewall doesn't understand -m pknock yet.
12:15<fnmueller>hmm, I don't konw about port knocking... it is not inherently more secure and imo just adds a layer of obvuscation. I rather disable interactive login .. therefore login via keys.
12:16<Goldline>Also, im looking for a program that runs on linux which allows incoming connections from remote desktop in windows to port 3306
12:16<Goldline>thatst he easiest
12:16<Goldline>RDP
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12:17<Goldline>Btw if you install the server ru still able to view the desktop
12:17<twb>fnmueller: it's about as useful as -m recent for reducing the noise in your logs, when you've already disabled password auth
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12:17<Goldline>without having installed the desktop version
12:17<fnmueller>twb: yep
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12:17<fnmueller>twb: so it's not security related really
12:18<twb>fnmueller: right, except possibly some kind of tenuous "defense in depth"
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12:18<prahal>Goldline, mysql port ... anyway for remote desktop NX beat them all
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12:19<twb>prahal: real men use DEC VTs and like it.
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12:19<Goldline>Would you be willing to helpme installing a program to allow RDP connections from my pc windows vista if i give you a user account with sudo rights on my remote machine
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12:20<twb>Goldline: I can help teach you not to give out root to random people on IRC
12:20<fnmueller>heh
12:20<Goldline>You have to trust some1
12:20<fnmueller>no
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12:20<twb>fnmueller: wrong. See "Reflections on Trusting Trust"
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12:20<twb>fnmueller: unless you're prepared to fab your own ICs
12:21<fnmueller>twb: hmm, I guess you know about "TNO"
12:21<twb>fnmueller: hrm. In what context?
12:21<Goldline>My VPS has a backup function so if root is compromised i can easily restore the backup with a few mouse clicks
12:21<twb>fnmueller: oh, right.
12:21<fnmueller>twb: "trust no one", just a concept of whom to trust in security
12:22<Goldline>and a new password will be sent
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12:22<twb>fnmueller: no wikipedia article, though :-/
12:22<fnmueller>true true
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12:22<prahal>Goldline, to pass through the linux box or to end up on the linux desktop ? no need for root but I did not fully understood the question to be able to reply properly
12:22<twb>fnmueller: I'm assuming it's basically "default deny"
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12:22<twb>fnmueller: e.g. bear traps in the raised tiling
12:23<Goldline>Okay ii explain a little more detailed: actually i wanna use the Remote Desktop Client in Widnows Vista to connect to linux using the Remote Desktop Protocol
12:23<kop>fnmueller: I'm with you on port knocking. It's security through obscurity. I'm a fan of skey/opie.
12:23<Goldline>on port 3306 tcp
12:24<fnmueller>twb: yup, It's a term (don't beat me) coined by steeve gibbs
12:24<twb>kop: with -m pknock you can allegedly use HMAC256-based symmetric crypto in the knock. I'm too asleep to know if that actually helps.
12:24<twb>fnmueller: eh, that's just MO for any well-adjusted sysadmin.
12:24<twb>Er, s/MO/SOP/
12:25<Goldline>Is it possible?
12:25<twb>MO is *after* you LART and they're dredging the canal
12:25<kop>Goldline: Why not just install xrdp?
12:25<fnmueller>I mean steve gibson
12:25<fnmueller>heh
12:25<Goldline>Thats what i wanted to ask can you helpme installing xrdp on my machine
12:25<Goldline>to allow rdp
12:25<Goldline>what i ment
12:26<twb>kop: because xrdp currently blows huge chunks, and just bridges rfb-based VNC, so you lose RDP's advantages of not being purely damage rasters.
12:26<petemc>xrdp is shite
12:26<kop>twb: Yeah, ok. But what's the point in knocking then? May as well just put the crypto in the connection. It's not like spread-spectrum radio where traffic analysis is thwarted.
12:26<Goldline>Can you install it for me if you wanted too?
12:26<twb>Goldline: I'd avocate rolling with an X VNC export, and a VNC client on your wossname.
12:26<prahal>Goldline, should be . Let s check vino
12:27<twb>kop: NFI
12:27<prahal>else I bet NX does it
12:27<twb>Goldline: obviously X doesn't belong on a server anyway, so you might as well just use PuTTY.
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12:28<twb>kop: did you see 23:47 <twb> Mindless link proliferation: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/03/15/yubikey/
12:28<twb>kop: they sound cute, but I'd have to sit down while sober and contemplate the attack vectors.
12:29<prahal>Goldline, xrdp
12:29<fnmueller>twb: actually, the new revision really isn't that bad
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12:29<twb>fnmueller: of xrdp?
12:29<fnmueller>twb: no, the yubikeys
12:29<twb>I need to get my shit together WRT OTP in general
12:30<Goldline>is there someone here who i can fully trust (no jokes) and whos willing to helpme installing xrdp on my remote machine
12:30<twb>Goldline: no.
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12:31<prahal>Goldline, nx does nto do rdp server ... though if you try it once you ll never get back to half backed remote solutions
12:31<OdyX>Goldline: me me me !!!
12:31<twb>Goldline: even your own momma would betray you with a long enough rubber hose.
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12:31<azeem>OdyX: wtf
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12:31<OdyX>azeem: no, just bad english.
12:31<azeem>OdyX: this is a kickban-reason you know
12:31<twb>azeem: for offering to rootkit, or for being enthusiastic?
12:32<OdyX>azeem: Yeah. Sorry for the noise.
12:32<azeem>for soliciting accounts on user machines
12:32<OdyX>azeem: _he_ proposed it :>
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12:32<prahal>stop digging ... you ll find a bone
12:32*OdyX goes back to work in silence.
12:32<azeem>OdyX: we hold regulars to higher standards
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12:33<twb>He's probably /msg'ing people right now.
12:33<OdyX>twb: in fact he is.
12:33<twb>I'd be so tempted to /dev/random over his root filesystem
12:34<prahal>oups yes . Goldline apt-get install xrdp
12:34<kop>twb: That does sound cute. (We've prob'ly enough people here for a bulk discount. :-)
12:34<twb>"Today's lesson is on the importance of backups and trust"
12:34<prahal>with sudo in front if you do not use root account
12:34<Goldline>okay ii use the commands and i a error ops up ii copy & paste iti nhere maybe thats a better idea
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12:34<kop>prahal: nx always seemed kinda undocumented and lonesome. Someday I'd like to try google's fork.
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12:35<kop>Goldline: Yes. And see below.
12:35<kop>!tell Goldline about paste
12:35<twb>Sheesh.
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12:35<twb>Is there anything that google isn't embrace-and-extending?
12:35<Goldline>I ownt use more that one line at a time dont worry
12:36<twb>I feel like waving RMS' _Right to Read_ essay at them.
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12:36<Goldline>couldnt find package xrdp -> sudo apt-get install xrdp
12:36<twb>They'd probably take it as a manifesto
12:36<kop>twb: No. But they don't seem to do the "extinguish" part, so I'm not so worried. And, they keep the foss license. (That whole reading thing is different though)
12:36<prahal>kop, there is one ... neat .
12:36<twb>kop: yeah...
12:36<themill>,versions xrdp
12:36<judd>xrdp -- lenny: 0.4.0~dfsg-9; squeeze: 0.4.1~dfsg-2; sid: 0.5.0~20100303cvs-2
12:37<twb>kop: and how is that sharing of code between, say, webkit-gtk and chromium going?
12:37*twb <-- highly dubious
12:37<Goldline>Currently, its for ubuntu 9.10
12:37<kop>twb: Or android and the kernel for that matter.
12:37<prahal>Goldline, apt-get update ?
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12:38<twb>prahal: he's using Ubuntu, and hasn't enabled the unsupported categories.
12:38<fnmueller>kop: I thought android is not FSF conform?
12:38<Goldline>walk me through please
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12:39<azeem>Goldline: ask in #ubuntu on freenode
12:39<prahal>on ubuntu this is done via gui usually . Hard to describe. A howto must exists
12:39<kop>fnmueller: I'm not up on it. But see LWN regards what they've done with a feature that's driver API incompatible. (Now you know what I know.)
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12:39<Goldline>wow is there so much difference between ubuntu and debian you said that the commands are about the same
12:40<kop>fnmueller: Linux is not fsf compatible, in that they don't enforce the license.
12:40<OdyX>Goldline: that's not the question. Debian is not Ubuntu
12:40<kop>Goldline: "About" is the difference between a working computer and a brick.
12:40<themill>Goldline: the people in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net are the best ones to guide you through doing things on an ubuntu system in the way they would recommend. Please ask them.
12:40<prahal>Goldline, the command yes . The repository to grab packages no.
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12:41<prahal>They split a lot of packages out of the main repository into what they call universe, multiverse , ppa , etc
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12:42<fnmueller>kop: androids' lock type seems to be incompatible with the linux kernel. That is why android source was removed from kernel dev as I understand it
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12:44<fnmueller>kop: http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/android-kernel-problems.html?seemore=y
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12:51<sdk>I've reached a point where it has become necessary to significantly manipulate my vimrc. I'm looking at a few examples and some of them use a gg: or g: or a: when declaring varaible values. In a vimrc, what are do g: and gg: mean?
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12:54<Bounty_1900>Hi
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12:55<sdk>Ahah, I figured it out. gg and g are apparently commamds within VIM that are being told to execute in vim by the vimrc examples I'm reading.
12:55<locklace>sdk: as you're doubtless quickly discovering, vim scripting syntax alone is reason enough to move to emacs
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12:55<twb>locklace: why not move to teco?
12:56<twb>I'm just waiting for a sponsor...
12:56<locklace>teco is grand
12:56<twb>Admittedly the teco-c I packaged for Debian is only a *port* of TECO 11.
12:57<petemc>vim is the one true
12:57<sdk>locklace: heh, almost looks that way. :) I like ugly and powerful. Emacs is far too useful and easy to use for me. Emacs reminds me of Mac OSX, vim reminds me of Gnu/Linux. :)
12:58*sdk ducks
12:58<locklace>!start an editor war
12:58<dpkg>pico bites
12:58<locklace>on that at least we can all agree
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12:58<twb>sdk: teco isn't easy to use!
12:59<twb>sdk: it was built back before *line numbers* were invented
12:59<locklace>and possibly lines
13:00<cahoot>created by phoenicians?
13:00<twb>cahoot: I'm not aware of the ethnology of MIT
13:00<sdk>twb: I said nothing about teco. I'm bending my brain around vim. Please don't confuse me any more than I already am. :)
13:00<twb>I imagine that back in the 60s they were mostly honkys
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13:01<twb>sdk: vim is for people who can't *remember* what line they're editing
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13:02<twb>http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html for a kind of weak, kiddie, "my first teco".
13:02<sdk>twb: there we go then. Perfect for me. I'm so ADD I forget to breathe from time to time. :-D
13:02<twb>Well, it's 4AM, so time to go home.
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13:16<Bounty_1900>I'm trying to boot a computer with Debian 504 and no Monitor, Keyboard, and Mouse attached but I get this error: "No SDVO device found". Seems that it's a bug of X http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14611 I'm quite new to the use of Patch http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=25110 I have downloaded it and (as root) clicked on it. Popup said "Do you want to execute on terminal" I have clicked Yes. But when I tested, seems that
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13:21<sney>Bounty_1900: if it's headless then why does it need X?
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13:29<mattyh88>hi! how do i exactly configure proftpd to let me upload directly into /var/www (so i can maintain my site :)) instead of uploading to home/ftp
13:30<mattyh88>do i need to do something with virtual directories? like in windows? (iis)
13:30<Bounty_1900>to sney need X for VNC remote acess
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13:34<rudi_s>!tell mattyh88 about ftp must die
13:34<rudi_s>mattyh88: If possible you should use SSH to transfer the files.
13:35<mattyh88>rudi_s why ssh? :)
13:35<babilen>security
13:35<rudi_s>mattyh88: Because it's secure and FTP is not.
13:35<Lanz>Nah, FTP still has merit... SSH has a lot more overhead...
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13:35<bremner>Lanz: and this matters when?
13:35<rudi_s>Well, you can either get security or speed, but SSH is IMHO fast enough ..
13:35<mattyh88>rudi_s: i don't really need it to be secure :)
13:36<rudi_s>Lanz: And by the way, read !ftp must die, ftp isn't so fast ..
13:36<Lanz>If you have a lot of network traffic, SCP transfers can sometimes just drop
13:36<mattyh88>as it's being blocked from outside
13:36<rudi_s>mattyh88: Then use SSH because it's cool ;-)
13:36<mattyh88>(port 21 is)
13:36<rudi_s>mattyh88: SSH is port 22.
13:36<mattyh88>i know
13:36<mattyh88>that's blocked too :p
13:36<mattyh88>by my ISP
13:36<mattyh88>but just trying to configure ftp in a right way :)
13:36<Lanz>Also, I've managed to get vsftpd to work for uploading to /var/www
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13:36<rudi_s>mattyh88: Well, use another ISP ..
13:36<mattyh88>hha
13:36<mattyh88>rudi_s: that's not realy an option =p
13:37<Verre> good evening (local time) =)
13:37<mattyh88>good evening Verre : )
13:37<Verre>ha :)
13:37<rudi_s>mattyh88: If your ISP doesn't allow you to use your page securely you should IMHO switch to one who does.
13:37<Verre>I have question about cp
13:37<Verre>cp command I mean
13:37<Lanz>Got 1:37pm here in Ontario, Canada ;)
13:37<Lanz>Good afternoon
13:38<Verre>7:37pm in finland =)
13:38<mattyh88>rudi_s, it's just cuz i got a home-isp-account, that doesn't allow me to normally run a ftp server @home :)
13:38<Verre>evening ;)
13:38<mattyh88>but okay .. let it be :)
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13:38<mattyh88>i know what you're trying to tell me .. :)
13:38<rudi_s>mattyh88: And? I'm sure they let you SSH out.
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13:39<mattyh88>everything up to port 1024 has been blocked rudi_s :)
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13:39<mattyh88>but i doesn't matter really .. i use other port numbers :)
13:39<mattyh88>to let everything work
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13:39<rudi_s>mattyh88: Please be more precise. Are you trying to run a server on your local machine or somewhere on the net?
13:40<rudi_s>mattyh88: You can change the port SSH listens on.
13:40<mattyh88>indeed
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13:40<mattyh88>but ehm
13:40<mattyh88>i have a server here
13:40<mattyh88>@ home
13:40<mattyh88>with linux debian on it
13:40<mattyh88>i've installed proftpd
13:40<mattyh88>configured it for anonymous access (temporarily)
13:40<mattyh88>so i can login to my ftp
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13:40<mattyh88>that part works
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13:41<khades_>debian <3
13:41<rudi_s>!enter
13:41<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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13:41<mattyh88>so, now when I login to my ftp server, it shows me /home/ftp and i want it to show /var/www
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13:41<Verre>ok so the question, I have debian system and gallery software and I'm backing up my photos weekly to a memorystick with command cp -uRv /home/path-to-photos/ /mnt/memorystick >> /home/xxx/changed.txt. I have about 6000 photos but there are 176 photos which say "cp: cannot create regular file XXX File exists". any ideas why this is happening?
13:41<rudi_s>mattyh88: I'm just not sure why you want to go through the difficulty setting up a ftpd (and insecurity if not done properly) when SSH provides a simple/fast/secure way to do it.
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13:42<mattyh88>rudi_s, doesn't matter .. hasn't got to be secure as everything just passed on my local network :)
13:42<titan8990>Verre: you probably want to use rsync there.. to only copy new or changed photos
13:42<rudi_s>Verre: I'm not sure, but for that use case you should have a look at rsync. It makes syncing the directories easy and fast and it only copies files when necessary.
13:42<khades_>any uzbl users?
13:42<cahoot>Verre: the obvious explanation is excluded?
13:42<Verre>actually I tried itt oday with problems with the same 176 photos
13:43<rudi_s>mattyh88: Ok, I can't force you to setup a secure system ..
13:43<Verre>I just don't get what the problem is with those photos
13:43<mattyh88>rudi_s :)
13:43<cahoot>Verre: how are they named?
13:44<cahoot>Verre: like imn_xxx.xx or something more informative?
13:44<sney>mattyh88: it's user accounts and home directories. read up on those and you'll understand how to fix it. and if this is just a LAN server, then yeah who cares if it's secure
13:44<Verre>eg. DSC04506.JPG or IMG_5018.JPG
13:44<mattyh88>indeed sney ^^
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13:45<cahoot>Verre: not considered using f ex exiftool to give them date_time based names?
13:45<mattyh88>sney, so I won't be able to redirect to /var/www with the anonymous account? i have to set up user accounts?
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13:45<mattyh88>as i don't really need a user account, just anonymous is fine ^^ as I'll be the only one who logs in
13:45<sney>even the anonymous account has a user account and home directory
13:46<mattyh88>ahhh right .. forgot about that =p
13:46<sney>we're talking system users here, not ftp users
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13:46<mattyh88>ok, i'll check google for the user acc & home dirs :), thanks ;)
13:46<Verre>cahoot, you think the problem is there? with timestamps?
13:46<Verre>cahoot, and no, I haven't thought of it
13:47<cahoot>Verre: no - Ithink you might have duplicate filenames
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13:47<Verre>ah, does it matter if they are in different folders?
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13:49<sdk>Hrm. I'm trying to start vnc4server (sudoed and as user) and I get xauth: error in locking authority /home/<userid>/.Xauthority. the file is chowned to <userid>:<userid>. Any ideas what may be wrong?
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13:53<cahoot>Verre: exiftool would read each jpeg's exifdata and create a unique name based on that - which also would give you a logical base for structure
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13:54<Verre>cahoot, it also means that I would have to reconstruct 6000 thumbs all over. I'm not too thrilled with that 'cause it takes forever
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13:55<cahoot>ok
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13:56<cahoot>though I'd believe imagemagick would manage that task in less than 'ages'
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13:57<Verre>cahoot, well I haven't tried, to be honest ;)
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13:58<Verre>cahoot, just thought of the last time I moved all my photos to updated gallery it took over 15 hours for those 6000 photos
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13:58<Verre>cahoot, but it also structured the whole gallery from scratch
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13:59<angasule>meh, some update decided to blank the screen after something like 30 seconds of inactivity, and soon after that it locks the screen, can't find /where/ that is set :(
14:00<cahoot>Verre: ok I won't keep pressing my preferences on you
14:00<angasule>it's not KDE, the battery monitor, xscreensaver, xset also doesn't seem to affect anything..
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14:01<Verre>cahoot, by all means do. I'm not too experienced and am definetly open for any decent ideas. and it really doesn't matter if it takes a little longer than few minutes as long as it works =)
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14:03<Verre>cahoot, the other problem is that I'm not the only one using the gallery. There are 6 others and they can add pictures to the gallery also
14:03<angasule>does anyone know what else could be causing screen blanking? some xorg setting, perhaps?
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14:04<cahoot>Verre: I'd guess the gallery app doesn't care much about the jpeg's names - only of interest for you own structure
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14:05<Verre>cahoot, true, thats why I'm trying to figure something other than renaming all the files
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14:05<Verre>if thatis the problem with cp and rsync in the first place
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14:06<cahoot>Verre: did you check if the files actually are duplicates?
14:09<Verre>no not yet
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14:11<cahoot>might be an idea
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14:11<Verre>will it gve error if there are duplicates but in different folder?
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14:13<cahoot>can't imagine that
14:13<And1>Folks, what may be the problem with this aptitude output? http://paste.lisp.org/display/96423
14:13<cahoot>but filesystems intrinsics is beyond me
14:13<Verre>me neither, had to ask though
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14:17<drewdavis>And1: Whatever you were installing has bindings that aren't playing well with shared-mime-info.
14:18<And1>Google hints me to kde4lib.
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14:21<And1>Hmm, that doesn't seem to be right.
14:22<drewdavis>And1: It wouldn't surprise me. I don't use KDE myself, but shared-mime-info states in it's apt description: "At this time ROX and GNOME use this database. KDE is expected to follow soon, and hopefully others too"
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14:22<And1>Well, I also don't use kde itself, just k3b and maybe one or two other apps.
14:23<drewdavis>It's hard to say with only that output, though. What were you installing when you got that message?
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14:24<And1>drewdavis: Don't know anymore, right now I got it when I did a full-upgrade.
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14:24<And1>Damn, can't scroll up that far.
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14:28<drewdavis>Well, my first thought would be one of your KDE apps is trying to insert itself into shared-mime and failing. I doubt it will cause system breakage.
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14:33<AlVaRiToOo>ola?
14:33<AlVaRiToOo>ao alguien aai?????????????????????'
14:33<Blacker47>AlVaRiToOo, don't spam in the query
14:34<themill>!ubuntu-es AlVaRiToOo
14:34<dpkg>AlVaRiToOo: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
14:34<AlVaRiToOo>no me da la gana
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14:35<babilen>AlVaRiToOo: Don't /msg random people, themill will be upset
14:35<locklace>AlVaRiToOo: aqui se habla ingles solamente. si usted habla español tu se le prohibió
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14:57<geckos>Hi people.. I can't start X.. with my nvidia card
14:58<locklace>!tell geckos about how to ask
14:58<geckos>ty,
14:58<geckos>I'will explain
14:59<geckos>I change my mother board today.. and can't get X working.. I got a black screen with an Input Usupported from my monitor
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15:07<unusedcraig>hello
15:07<unusedcraig>anyone there?
15:08<drewdavis>Don't ask to ask, just ask.
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15:09<geckos>I got Input Not Supported from my Monitor when starts X
15:10<geckos>using nvdia gforce 7100 onboard card
15:10<geckos>and a 716Sw AOC lcd monitor
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15:17<geckos>anybody there,, has a nvidia card??
15:18<geckos>where I get nvidea-kernel-common???
15:19*SouLakos gn
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15:21<geckos>lis
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15:23<theChad>geckos: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common
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15:27<slb_>anyone here use openvpn a lot?
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15:28<musca>geckos: it's in the "contrib" component of the repo
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15:28<locklace>!tell slb_ about anyone
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15:29<slb_>sorry
15:29<slb_>in regards to openvpn do i need to use tap instead of tun to access my files? i want to be able to connect to my vpn and just access one folder and the files in it, how can i accomplish this?
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15:29<slb_>it may just be a matter of user config but im not sure
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15:31<locklace>if all you want is filesystem access, maybe sshfs is more up your alley
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15:31<slb_>well i also want to be able to access my local apache server too
15:31<Goldline>Ive installed debian :) but with ubuntu its apt-get update and apt-get upgrade to install the latest security updates how about debian ?
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15:31<locklace>slb_: easy enough to do with an ssh port-forward
15:32<slb_>so you are saying dump the vpn?
15:32<locklace>i'm saying it sounds like you can do what you want with a much simpler tool
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15:33<Goldline>Unless you do not need to update debian becauset here are no updates ?
15:33<slb_>so you are saying i can access my local nameserver remotely using ssh port-forward?
15:33<locklace>Goldline: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
15:33<locklace>!tell Goldline about grounding
15:35<Goldline>Thanks and uh it does seem like that sudo has been banished from debian ?
15:35<locklace>no, you can install it if you really want it
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15:35<slb_>i mean i set up openvpn yesterday because it seemed simplest, but all i need to do is be bale to access 2 dirs remotely as well as my local apache server with the same dns settings as if i was on the network from home. one of the dirs would be potentially for media streaming if that makes a difference
15:36<Goldline>Nah taking more resources and i wanna run as less as possible
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15:37<locklace>there are many good reasons not to bother with sudo but "taking more resources" is not one of them
15:37<Goldline>Got 512 Mb ram in my machine so i dont wanna install awhole lot - form y css server so its running smoothly
15:37<Goldline>Ive set the player amount to 16 is that even possible with such low ram ?
15:37<locklace>slb_: the dns makes things slightly more painful. up to you whether forwarding ports for http and dns is simpler than vpn
15:38<slb_>id prefer not to expose my webserver to the public
15:41<Goldline>i want your opinion im running debian 5.0 on a 512 mb ram machine(quadcore with 1gbit - set the players to max 16 - doable?
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15:52<xente>anyone here use jradius?
15:53<alephnull>Is it just me or is every update of grub2 break something new ?
15:54<locklace>!anyone
15:54<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:54<geckos>musca: ty
15:54<locklace>alephnull: thanks for once again validating my decision to avoid grub2 like the plague
15:54<geckos>musca: ftp.debian.org/debian ???
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15:54<xente>I ask if anyone does because it's not entirely relevant to debian
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15:56<Lanz>Never heard of it
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16:25<sdk>Ok, so that's cool YOu can execute sql queries from within vim. http://planet.mysql.com/?tag_search=857
16:25<sdk>Sorry, tangential to topic, sort of, but pretty neat nonetheless.
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16:33<geckos>what groups a normal user whould have?
16:33<geckos>like audio cd
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16:35<babilen>!desktop groups
16:35<dpkg>The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (usb disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>.
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16:35<babilen>geckos: ^^^^^
16:35<geckos>tyyy
16:36<geckos>is this in some man page?
16:36<babilen>no idea
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16:38<edeca>geckos: /etc/adduser.conf
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16:42<tholmith>i edited /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf and now filename_encoding=locale, also ~/.config/user-dirs.locale contains: ro_RO, which is the locale i use atm, but the folders defined in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs are still named in english. i did run xdg-user-dirs-update and i also have relogin into gnome. am i doing something wrong?
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16:45<TCW_>tholmith, paste the ouput of 'locale' as user (use paste.debian.net for example)
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16:46<tholmith>TCW_, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a09f78b5/
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16:48<tholmith>should i use filename_encoding=ro_RO.UTF-8 in /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf?
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16:49<edeca>What's the best way of finding a maintainer if their email on packages.debian.org bounces
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16:50<locklace>edeca: i usually rent a house across the street and stake our their places of work and leisure with audio pickups and night vision gear
16:50<locklace>ymmv
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16:51<bremner>I think he's looking for the address to stake out.
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16:53<locklace>you start with the ones you can find, they'll lead you to the others
16:53<edeca>Yeah. If I had the address, I'd be arming the cruise missiles of course.
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16:53<edeca>Uh huh, the package has.. 1 maintainer :)
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16:53<bremner>edeca: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/beyond-pkging.html#mia-qa
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16:56<edeca>bremner: Thank you
16:56<edeca>It's quite possible the person isn't MIA but just hasn't updated their details :)
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16:58<bremner>having a bad maintainer address on a package is a serious bug as I understand it. You could file a bug on the package.
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16:59<AIntel>Question: How do you install a program on Debian?
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16:59<bremner>edeca: want to /msg me the package name? Or just post it here?
17:00<locklace>!tell AIntel about grounding
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17:00<padski>AIntel, more specifically: use a package manager
17:01<bremner>edeca: you can also check db.debian.org, they might have an irc nick
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17:01<AIntel>padski: Oh. Well. I'm trying out debian. First time I've ever used it before.
17:01<edeca>bremner: Any of the libnids ones, i.e. libnids-dev
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17:02<AIntel>!define package manager
17:02<AIntel>:)
17:03<padski>AIntel, talk to the bot dpkg by typing stuff like '/msg dpkg apt'
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17:03<edeca>bremner: No luck (so far) on db.debian.org, but that's a neat site
17:03<bremner>edeca: actually, it does look like the maintainer is MIA; last upload by the maintainer in 2008
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17:03<bremner>edeca: yeah it only works for debian developers
17:04<edeca>bremner: Hrmph. Well the next version is out and it fixes 1 nasty bug (remotely triggerable NULL deref, so not exactly awful) and a lot of feature bugs
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17:04<edeca>bremner: I was hoping to get it bumped. I'll grab the debian package tomorrow and see how much work it will be
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17:05<edeca>Then perhaps I can find a friendly maintainer to upload it :)
17:05<AIntel>padski: I downloaded a package. I do the "apt-get install" command. But don't know the proper command to install the package.
17:05<edeca>bremner: To be fair, the last release _was_ 2008 (I had to push like crazy to get patches officially accepted for this one!)
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17:06<mattyh88>hello :). Why don't I see the var/www folder when logging in to the ftp server with my anonymous account, and after setting defaultroot to /var/www in my proftpd.conf file?
17:06<bremner>edeca: ah, OK. so maybe he just needs to update email. But I passed the name on to the QA team, so they will see if he is MIA or not.
17:06<edeca>AIntel: That _is_ the proper way to install things
17:07<edeca>bremner: Brilliant. Any way I can find out about that too? Don't want to spend an hour learning how to update the package if he can do it in 30 seconds
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17:07<AIntel>edeca: apt-get install /etc/desktop/file?
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17:08<AIntel>Heh. I don't even know where things are download it to. Had to do a "find file" and move it to the desktop.
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17:08<musca>AIntel: read the manual pages with 'man apt-get' in your terminal, apt-get install <packagename>
17:08<padski>AIntel, it is possible to install a downloaded package file, but it is not generally the way to do things. ideally you add a repo to your sources and then apt-get install packagename. you can install from a package file directly with dpkg, but I don't think it will get dependencies for you automatically.
17:08<theChad>AIntel: dpkg -i <downloaded package>
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17:09<padski>I see some moblin packages in squeeze and sid. are they ready to try ?
17:10<edeca>AIntel: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html
17:10<AIntel>!define dependencies
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17:10<padski>!tell Aintel about self-tell
17:10<bremner>edeca: file a bug on the package about the email address, CC me; I'll msg you an email address if you like. Or google my nick :)
17:11<edeca>bremner: /msg it if you want to help my laziness
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17:24<And1>Anyone also got this ssh tab completion errors? http://paste.lisp.org/display/96438
17:24<And1>Using debian sid here.
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17:28<clocker>Alsa mixer as user or sudo won't affect bass, treble etc... how should I? I've got more bass than wanted
17:28<clocker>dpkg was no help
17:28<dpkg>wish i knew, clocker
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17:29<AIntel>Question: Why do I get a lot of Err...301 Moved Permanently
17:29<padski>clocker, are you in the audio group ?
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17:31<clocker>Would that matter to calling up alsa mixer with sudo?
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17:31<clocker>... and I don't know, but I'll check
17:32<AIntel>W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/dists/lenny/restricted/source/Sources 301 Moved Permanently
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17:32<AIntel>and a lot of those
17:33<GhostlyDeath>Hello, how would I setup a software RAID? Some tutorials suggested mdadm, however no such command exists
17:33<clocker>padski, yes I'm a member of the audio group
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17:34<padski>AIntel, debian-unofficial.org ??
17:35<padski>clocker, oh well. it was an idea. I am just installing a machine and about to fight with sound myself ...
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17:35<clocker>gracias
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17:41<nextime>hello, is there a #debian-* channel specific for kvm and virtualization?
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17:42<babilen>nextime: don't think so
17:43<dba>AIntel: open a browser, go to http://www.debian-unofficial.org/ and you'll see why.
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17:54<archpollux>hi all
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17:54<archpollux>i'm running two X servers on the same machine
17:54<archpollux>and I have everything set up right
17:56<archpollux>except sometimes, especially with Composite set to enable, my Xorg process goes to 100% CPU and in the log file i get a problem with [mi] EQ
17:56<archpollux>damn, can't access the logs right now
17:58<locklace>archpollux: debian version, xorg version, driver version, kernel version, graphics card model
17:58<archpollux>locklace: sec
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18:01<archpollux>debian sid, GeForce 8600 GT PCIe and GeForce 6200 PCI, nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx 190.42-3, xorg 1:7.5+3
18:02<archpollux>locklace: have to mention that both login sessions are managed by kdm and same user is logged in both
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18:06<archpollux>locklace: oh and kernel version 2.6.32-trunk-amd64
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18:07<locklace>check the bts and if no one here has a clue, ask in #debian-x
18:08<archpollux>locklace: thanks
18:08<archpollux>locklace: will do once i get home and have access to some X logs
18:09<locklace>yeah, if you ask or open a bug, include all the above info plus the x logs
18:09<archpollux>locklace: sure thing
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18:23<edeca>bremner: Crikey, the bug tracking system is odd :)
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18:25<edeca>Is there a normal "report a bug" form anywhere on the internet? Doing it via. email is slightly tiresome
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18:26<babilen>edeca: have you tried reportbug?
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18:27*edeca tries it
18:27<edeca>I like web interfaces generally ;)
18:27<babilen>edeca: You can also start that in GUI mode with "reportbug -i gtk2"
18:27<edeca>I don't have any debian desktops.
18:28<babilen>edeca: err "reportbug -u gtk2"
18:28<babilen>ah, ok
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18:28<edeca>I have ubuntu desktops, not sure if that counts!
18:28<babilen>edeca: basically just "reportbug <package>"
18:29<edeca>Yeah, doing it now
18:29<babilen>edeca: No, reportbug needs to be run on the system on which the buggy package is installed :)
18:29<babilen>It wouldn't be able to include important information otherwise
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18:30<edeca>I'm bugging about the maintainer being unavailable. I'm pretty sure it doesn't need my system :)
18:30<edeca>Ugh, I don't have EDITOR set properly. nano.
18:31<babilen>edeca: How long has the maintainer been unavailable?
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18:31<babilen>edeca: Have you tried to contact him/her? How long have you waited?
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18:31<edeca>Their email address bounces. I went through all this earlier with bremner
18:31<edeca>He suggested I bug it so someone can take a look and see if they can contact him
18:32<babilen>edeca: I ask, because there is a team that takes care or maintainers that are missing. Aptly named "MIA Team"
18:32<babilen>alright :)
18:32<edeca>Can I add a CC now I'm editing the submission?
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18:32<babilen>I would think so - but you'll get a confirmation mail anyway
18:32<edeca>I want to add someone else on the CC :)
18:33<babilen>alright
18:33<babilen>just do it
18:33<edeca> X-Debbugs-CC: other-list@cosmic.edu
18:33<edeca>Arr, I see
18:33<edeca>Not "just do it", I had no idea how
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18:34<adb>edeca, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
18:34<edeca>adb: Yeah, I just found that via. google. Thank you.
18:35<babilen>edeca: Didn't you just quote that?
18:35<edeca>All submitted now anyway, that's a marvel. Thanks all.
18:35<babilen>great :)
18:36<tholmith>i edited /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf and now filename_encoding is set to locale, also ~/.config/user-dirs.locale contains: ro_RO, which is the locale i use atm, but the folders defined in ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs are still named in english. i did run xdg-user-dirs-update and i also have relogin into gnome. am i doing something wrong? should i just edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and set the names in curent locale?
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19:36<supaman>hey, I can't connect to a https server through firefox but can with Opera ... why could that be?
19:36<johnkeates>it might be a certificate issue?
19:37<supaman>is firefox more strict then Opera?
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19:37<johnkeates>I think so, but the best way to go at it is to tell what happens when you try to access the website
19:38<supaman>ahh .. of course :-)
19:38<supaman>I get a "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading."
19:38<johnkeates>that means that the webserver didn't like you very much
19:38<supaman>the feeling is starting to be mutual ;-)
19:38<johnkeates>is this happening with all https websites?
19:38<johnkeates>haha
19:39<supaman>nope, just this one
19:39<abrotman>supaman: is there an error ?
19:39<abrotman>supaman: oh .. FF3.6 ?
19:39<supaman>3.5.6 actually
19:40<supaman>and no error that I can see
19:40<johnkeates>something else, I can't seem to get my kernel config to compile, someone cares to help?
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19:42<supaman>johnkeates: been a while since I done some kernel compiling
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19:42<supaman>what is the error that comes up?
19:42<johnkeates>well, it's not much
19:43<johnkeates>here are the last four lines it spits out:
19:43<johnkeates> LD .tmp_vmlinux1
19:43<johnkeates>arch/x86/built-in.o: In function `acpi_gsi_to_irq':
19:43<johnkeates>(.text+0xd5b3): undefined reference to `setup_IO_APIC_irq_extra'
19:43<johnkeates>make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1
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19:43<abrotman>supaman: did you try Iceweasel ?
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19:43<johnkeates>oops
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19:43<johnkeates>four is too much see
19:43<supaman>abrotman: sorry .. it is iceweasel .. allways think of it as ff though
19:43<johnkeates>here is the one problem
19:43<johnkeates>(.text+0xd5b3): undefined reference to `setup_IO_APIC_irq_extra'
19:43<johnkeates>i'm building 2.6.33.1 with xen patches
19:43<abrotman>supaman: and no error at all? is this a website we can get to?
19:44<supaman>abrotman: yeh ... https://secure.runescape.com/m=weblogin/loginform.ws?mod=www&ssl=0&dest=title.ws
19:44<seeS>johnkeates: perhaps they're old patches? I know the vmware modules suffer from that problem
19:45<supaman>abrotman: well, no program error .. just the "The connection was reset" message
19:45<abrotman>supaman: works in epiphany/webkit ..
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19:45<supaman>abrotman: yeh, it works in Opera for me on the same computer ..
19:45<johnkeates>hmm, the patches are the latest from the gentoo xen patches (which are actually the fedora ones) from the google code repo..
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19:45<abrotman>supaman: about:config .. enable ssl2
19:46<supaman>abrotman: so I am thinking that there is some obscure configuration that I have forgotten about that is preventing this connection from happening
19:46<abrotman>i just told you what it was!
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19:47<supaman>abrotman: is it security.enable_ssl2 set to true?
19:47<johnkeates>anyone knows where to get the latest xen patches?
19:47<abrotman>supaman: yes
19:47<supaman>abrotman: cheers, Ill try it out
19:47<abrotman>cheers?! that's all i geT?!
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19:47<supaman>abrotman: want a beer with that also?
19:48<supaman>:-)
19:48<abrotman>yes please
19:48<abrotman>oh .. you're far away ...
19:48<supaman>yeh I think so :-)
19:49<ChefMan>abrotman, Hey just wanted to thank you for all the help.. got my wifi working perfectly now my netbook is not a paper weight
19:49<supaman>and pretty isolated (next bar is 5 km away and its closed now)
19:49<abrotman>assuming your hostmask is real .. very much so
19:49<abrotman>ChefMan: yay!
19:51<supaman>abrotman: if my hostmask said .is .. then that is correct
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19:54<abrotman>yes
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20:06<supaman>OT: The symbolics.com domain was originally registered on 15 March 1985, making it the oldest active .com-domain in the world ... 25 years
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21:14<balsaq>is debian about as stable as ubuntu LTS releases?
21:14<balsaq>LTS is all i use for Ubuntu
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21:15<seeS>wow, never seen an autokill before
21:15<babilen>yes (or more stable)
21:15<abrotman>balsaq: probably depends on what you're going to do with it. though many of us don't use LTS
21:16<balsaq>how come?
21:16<streuner_>we just use Debian?
21:16<balsaq>i find the regular releases kinda buggy and LTS better experiences with
21:18<balsaq>oh ok
21:19<balsaq>so every debian release is short term or LTS?
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21:21<abrotman>define short, define long
21:21<rudi_s_>balsaq: Depends on what you mean with LTS. The last stable version of Debian (etch) was supported for 3 years (security-wise).
21:21<balsaq>long term
21:22<abrotman>yes .. how long ?
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21:22<abrotman>balsaq: etch just fell out of security support, it was released in April 2007 IIRC
21:22<balsaq>oh i see
21:23<balsaq>I'm using ubuntu 9.04 right now. the previous release was bad and the current is bad too, thats why if using Ubuntu I decided to stick with LTS lol bad luck with the others
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21:24<rudi_s_>Define bad.
21:25<balsaq>can't get wireless drivers to work, screen brightness flickering really bad to the point where it degrades performance to a freeze, no sound, restart to a no desktop screen boot etc lol
21:25<streuner_>sounds like ndiswrapper :-P
21:25<rudi_s_>Wow ...
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21:26<balsaq>the LTS releases have been perfect hardware wise though
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21:46<meowcats>Hi, sometimes xfce4-volumed stops working
21:46<meowcats>until i restart
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21:57<meowcats>how can i tell whats going on with it?
21:57<meowcats>why does it stop working?
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22:05<Mopman>hey, i left a debian install unattended while i went afk (last time i saw it it was installing packages after i selected which groups i wanted) and when i came back it was powered off, booting it i just get "GRUB" output in the top left of the screen, no grub menu or anything. does the installer usually power down after its finished or has something gone wrong? :/
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22:10<rudi_s_>Mopman: Something has gone wrong (unless the installed has an undocumented auto reboot), normally it asks you to remve the CD and when you hit enter it reboots.
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22:34<willly>Hi there! I have two problems to solve immediately today, if possible: (1) Failure to connect with either of my two DVD-RW drives; and (2) failure to obtain access to my ALSA mixer program at all.
22:34<clocker>Do you belong to the audio group?
22:35<clocker>I'm just winging it here willly
22:35<willly>clocker: Dunno, but that's an excellent question.
22:37<clocker>I stole it from padski
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22:39<rudi_s_>!tell willi about alsa-checklist
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22:50<willly>Well, the results are in: I still have no access to my alsa mixer.
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22:52<amitz>when /etc/init.d/networking restart, how to make a running dhclient on an interface to give up and process the next interface if exists? ^C cancels the whole interfaces script.
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23:03<amitz>second question, I need to run a script before debian automatically wakes network interfaces. I have tried putting the script in /etc/init.d and set its run level to default to 19, but it runs after networks are waked up. Should I set it lower? I'm afraid I will break the system such that single level boot can't even work.
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23:11<meowcats>Hello, is there anyone who wants to help meowcats configure simple 5.1 asound.conf for CMI8770?
23:11<meowcats>very difficult to interpret man page
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23:18<rudi_s_>amitz: What about /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/?
23:20<amitz>will that be run everytime of an up, or just once before the first up?
23:20<amitz>rudi_s_^^
23:20<rudi_s_>amitz: AFAIK before each up.
23:21<amitz>rudi_s_: painful. Basically I need to (un)modprobe something once before networking can work.
23:22<rudi_s_>amitz: Should be simple with a script in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ shouldn't it?
23:23<amitz>rudi_s_: but that means I will run it everytime I up a network device? I prefer to run it once for the whole session, if I can.
23:23<amitz>every network devices
23:24<rudi_s_>amitz: Ah, you only need it once after boot?
23:24<amitz>yes, and before any up of any network interface.
23:25<meowcats>#alsa is dead quiet, please help me with CMI8770 :)
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23:27<rudi_s_>amitz: S18 is ifupdown-clean, maybe run it before. But I'm no runlevel expert ..
23:27<amitz>rudi_s_: noted, thank you :-)
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23:32<rudi_s_>np
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23:34<johnfg>hi folks
23:34<johnfg>I'm not getting any response in evolution, so i'll ask this question concerning debian lenny 5.04 and evo.
23:35<johnfg>I backed up my settings on fedora 12, but the evo there's a newer version. The debian evo can't read the adress book.
23:35<johnfg>Anyone know of a workaround for this?
23:36<dkr>enter your settings manually?
23:37<dkr>there aren't hat many. name of mail server and whether to use ssl tls or whatnot... :)
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23:38<johnfg>dkr: The problem is, I'm not sure where the settings for the address book are, not in Preferences.
23:38<johnfg>And that's where the error is, saying that the location is nul.
23:38<dkr>oh, for address book can't you use export/import feature? (I don't use evolution personally)
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23:42<johnfg>dkr: What do you use?
23:42<dkr>johnfg: icedove a.k.a. thunderbird
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23:43<johnfg>dkr: That's what I did, backed up settings (equivalent to export), but the different versions is where the problem lies, methinks.
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23:44<johnfg>dkr: I used thunderbird in fedora for quite a while, I suppose I should give it a try in debian, eh?
23:44<johnfg>Any special caveats?
23:45<dkr>not really, icedove is just a namechange, :)
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23:47<johnfg>Just had a thought: I wonder if a newer version of evo is available in testing?
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23:48<dkr>judd: versions evolution
23:48<judd>evolution -- etch: 2.6.3-6etch2; etch-security: 2.6.3-6etch2; lenny: 2.22.3.1-1; squeeze: 2.28.2-3; sid: 2.28.3-1; experimental: 2.29.92-1
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23:59<johnfg>dkr: If I read it right, then the latest is available in testing, i.e., squeeze?
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