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00:39<aaj>hi all, while compiling module i am getting error as /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.33/arch/x86/Makefile:39: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.33/arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu: No such file or directory
00:39<LK>Hello, I am running debian squeeze, audio does not work, what packages do i need for audio?
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00:43<aaj>LK,alsa package as well check by running alsaconf
00:43<gsimmons>LK: /msg dpkg install alsa ; /msg dpkg alsa-checklist
00:43<gsimmons>aaj: alsaconf isn't available in Squeeze.
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00:44<aaj>gsimmons, any specific reason to remove?
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00:46<gsimmons>aaj: It's useless and unnecessary ; /msg dpkg alsaconf
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00:47<aaj>gsimmons, without alsa,how audio devices will be detected ?
00:47<iAmerikan>Why does my debian install disk say it isn't the install-able disk
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00:47<gsimmons>aaj: Read up on udev.
00:47<aaj>iAmerikan, check with qemu.
00:47<aaj>.sio image
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00:48<aaj>gsimmons, for new kernel kernel i am getting error as /arch/x86/Makefile_32.cpu: No such file or directory
00:49<aaj>i think bug in creation of linux-headers package
00:50<gsimmons>aaj: You're on your own if WRT the 2.6.33 packages from experimental. They aren't supported here.
00:51<gsimmons>s/own if/own/
00:54<aaj>gsimmons, ye i only compiled 2.6.33 kernel because it is latest
00:55<aaj>gsimmons, is there any kernel roadmap or documents how debian maintains kernel ?
00:55<aaj>selects kernel ,which patches it applies
00:56<aaj>what is difference between vanilla kernel and debian kernel
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00:58<gsimmons>aaj: The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook should answer most questions, see
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01:03<kop>gsimmons: That looks handy. I've always just poked it with a stick....
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01:07<snogglethorpe>kop: doesn't that taint the kernel?
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01:09<kop>snogglethorpe: Tain't the stick you're thinking of.
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01:20<LK>ok, I followed the checklist audio still doesn't work
01:22<LK>any help? :D
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01:29<khades>please repeat the problem
01:29<khades>i've jast came in
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01:40<LK>well, i am running debian squeeze, an audio doesn't work for me
01:41<khades>what audio devices do u have?
01:41<khades>say any includin webcams etc
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01:42<khades>what yes?
01:42<LK>I have a tv tunar, sound card, and webcam
01:42<khades>plugout webcan and restart alsa
01:44<khades>also too little info to help
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01:44<khades>when audio refuses to workin?
01:44<khades>what leads to that?
01:44<khades>what was before that?
01:45<LK>WEll, I did a net install of debian squeeze, installed the gui manually lxde
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01:45<LK>installed the alsa packages
01:45<LK>and no audio
01:45<khades>how did u understand that there's no audio?
01:45<LK>play /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
01:45<LK>aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav *
01:46<LK>and no sound
01:46<LK>I install gnome-alsa
01:46<LK>and put the volume up
01:46<LK>still no audio
01:46<LK>I made sure i'm in the audio group too
01:46<khades>use something other that aplay
01:47<khades>and install alsa-utils
01:47<khades>there's lack of alsaconf in squeeze
01:47<LK>alsa-utils is installed
01:47<khades>install mplayer and try to play sound through mplayer
01:48<LK>ok, 1 sec
01:49<khades>there's maybe a problem in orderness of devices
01:50<khades>then use pulseaudio since you're gnome-user
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01:54<LK>ok, there installed
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02:15<ajau>hi all, i have ncomp module which is compiled for ubuntu 8.04 but same binary module is not working for lenny
02:16<ajau>this is xserver module
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02:23<dpkg>[oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for UNIX systems. OSS/Free was previously in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian as oss4 in testing. #oss on
02:24<twb>Can I drop-in migrate my sid laptop from alsa to oss4? *Should* I do so?
02:26<twb>Hmm, looks like oss4 is not in mainline, so it's probably too boring to play with.
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02:51<qgz>Why there is no talking?
02:53<MeglaW>nobody has a question
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03:06<darius>ok, o have a question, what is the weather? (its related to debian cous i asking debian users :)
03:07<MeglaW>atmospheric condidions
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03:08<darius>oh.. sorry for my human language... next time i'll try to use scientific language ;)
03:08<LK>khades, back
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03:12<qgz>I joined in about twelve maillists yesterday, then there were so many mails coming to my mailbox.
03:12<qgz>Too much!!
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03:18<qgz>There are many bodies here, why there is no message sent?
03:18<qgz>All diving?
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03:25<qgz>So, a joke come from one place of internet.
03:25<qgz>As the taxi came to a screeching halt at a traffic light,I asked the driver,"Do you agree that 'Time is money'?" "Well,it's a very common saying.Who will care so much about that?"the driver answered . "Look,the digits in the meter are still running when the car has stopped,"I pointed at the meter. "Oh.yes.You've got a point here,In this case,time is money for both of us,"added the driver.
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03:43<khades>back what?
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03:44<LK>khades, I am back
03:48<khades>cool story bro
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04:02<qgz>some in and some out.
04:02<twb>qgz: plonk
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04:57<clin>when building valina kernel. generally which drivers (e.g. device drivers) I can make sure it is safe to remove it?
04:59<dr|z3d>If you're building a "vanilla" kernel, you'll want to keep all those in.
04:59<jm_>clin: don't build it if you don't know this
05:00<dr|z3d>If you're building a bespoke kernel, then you can safely remove all device drivers you don't need for your pc.. and what jm_ said :)
05:06<clin>thanks for the advices. : ) I am starting to learn kernel api related stuff and had built kernel before; but just encounter an issue that the kernel version 2.6.33 generates too much binary data that eats all my virtualbox disk. I can not do `make install` because no disk space left.
05:06<clin>so I am checking if anything can be safely removed.
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05:12<jm_>you can remove lots of stuff from default config
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05:13<amz> - - what is wrong? (i have 1000h)
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05:14<amz>anyone know :<?
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05:17<noflash>!tell amz -about eeepc
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05:20<amz>i have new debian
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05:22<clin> jm_ thanks. will try it.
05:22<clin>amz: have you edit interfaces file under /etc/network?
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05:23<amz>but i have no wifi on lspci
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05:29<clin>if module is loaded (e.g. lsmod | grep ipw2200), and syslog shows no error (eg. kill switch ...). then you may need configure interfaces as
05:30<amz>root@debian:~# lsmod | grep ipw2200
05:31<clin>ipw2200 should be replace with the module on your box.
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05:34<amz>but that is ralink there
05:34<amz>RaLink 2860
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05:38<amz>01:00.0 Network controller: RaLink Device 0781
05:40<clin>perhaps you need to try something that module name started with rt
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05:44<dr|z3d>Erm.. if that's an eeepc, wouldn't a custom built kernel be the best bet?
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06:16<vook>I can't seem to get iceweasel to recognize the java plugin. I've tried it the debian way (apt-get install sun-java6-plugin) and the manual way. The plugin is installed correctly in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and tests successfully in opera, just doesn't work in iceweasel (absent in about:plugins) any ideas?
06:19<twb>dpkg: tell amz -about lenny->squeeze
06:19<jm_>vook: is java enabled in iceweasel?
06:21<vook>jm_: checking...
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06:24<mixalis>hi all
06:25<davromaniak>I would like to know if it's possible to use multiples core (CPU) with pbuilder
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06:25<davromaniak>I have a server with 16 cores, and the package compilation only uses 1 core
06:25<padski>how do I make rsyslogd listen on the network
06:26<davromaniak>is there an option for pbuilder like the "-j" option for make ?
06:26<jm_>padski: check /etc/default/rsyslog
06:26<padski>jm_, hi, yes I did. it has -c4. says don't do -r
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06:28<twb>Suppose I have hardware I never want to use, such as the serial controller in my southbridge that isn't actually cabled to anything.
06:28<twb>Does blacklisting the associated module actually save any power?
06:29<padski>I particularly like the "read the html docs" warning on the man page :-(
06:30<jm_>padski: man page for rsyslogd says if neither -4 or -6 is used it listens on all interfaces
06:30<padski>jm_, i read that too.
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06:32<valdyn>twb: depends on the hardware
06:32<jm_>padski: so it doesn't do that for you?
06:32<valdyn>twb: i dont think a serial controller can use any power when its not used
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06:32<twb>valdyn: I was afraid of that (re first answer)
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06:33<amz>twb -> #debian
06:33<valdyn>twb: being a completely passive device...
06:33<jm_>padski: how about imudp module? is that enabled?
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06:33<twb>The other devices are more likely: the internal EHCI bus, the camera it's cabled to, the bluetooth device on an internal UHCI bus, and the PS/2 touchpad
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06:33<jm_>padski: there's an example in the rsyslog.conf man page
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06:34<amz>11:32 < amz> btw, know some second domain for
06:34<amz>11:32 < amz> because some take it
06:35<twb>amz: um, I think someone dropped you when you were a baby
06:36<twb>I tend to use MIT's keyserver, because I'm lazy
06:36<amz>what is address
06:36<jm_>twb: I think some usb driver allow you to power off stuff in /sys
06:37<padski>jm_, thanks. I see it in /etc/rsyslog.conf now also.
06:37<twb>jm_: that is another plan A
06:38<jm_>i need to test how much my atom system uses if i use intel kms as opposed to regular vga support
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06:39<twb>jm_: do you also run X?
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06:41<jm_>twb: nope, it's my router
06:41<twb>Power usage (ACPI estimate): 0.7W (8.6 hours) (long term: 7.9W,/0.8h)
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06:42<twb>...that's a 1005P (n450) with sid/amd64, modeset=1, offboard 1900x1280ish screen only, no X, with bt, wifi, and running xz at 1GHz (P3 state).
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06:43<jm_>ahh I have D510 desktop board
06:43<twb>jm_: n330?
06:44<jm_>twb: z330 was older generation, mine's newer one
06:44<twb>z* are poulsbo
06:45<jm_>hmm must be some other product, I am talking about intel motherboards ;)
06:45<twb>I suppose they're not paperweights if you're running them headless...
06:46<twb>Atom n2xx are x86 netbooks. Atom zxx have poulsbo GPUs. Atom n3xx are x86-64 desktops. Atom n4xx are x86-64 netbooks.
06:48<jm_>mine's D510, the new one
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06:50<twb>Ah, I didn't even know about those
06:50<twb>A D510 is a dual-core N4xx
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07:02<ddalton>what tools should be used for audio recording from the command line?
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07:04<prem>hi all
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07:05<dr|z3d>ddalton: Maybe rotter.. not familiar with it, but still.
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07:05<prem>where is "grub" command in debian squeeze,..?
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07:05<prem>since by default grub-pc is getting installed , the grub command is missing...
07:06<dr|z3d>ddalton: bplay might be another to investigate.
07:06<prem>so how to change my grub settings..
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07:06<ddalton>does that record external sound or just sound from the system?
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07:07<dr|z3d>I don't know.
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07:07<dr|z3d>Hence your need to investigate :)
07:07<ddalton>will give bplay a go looks promising thanks
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07:17<jm_>ddalton: trivial one is arecord
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07:17<ddalton>oh i think i used that once a long time ago lol
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08:11<amz>how only install packages what need kismet, but without kismet (i need compile new manualy)?
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08:12<cockroach>amz: install kistmet, then uninstall it again?
08:13<amz>root@debian:~/kismet/kismet-2010-01-R1# apt-get build-dep kismet
08:13<amz>Reading package lists... Done
08:13<amz>Building dependency tree
08:13<amz>Reading state information... Done
08:13<amz>E: Build-dependencies for kismet could not be satisfied.
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08:15<cockroach>amz: do you have the right src lines in sources.list for your distribution?
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08:31<amz>how fix
08:32<babilen>amz: Install it?
08:33<glauco>run make dep
08:33<amz>i wanna compile new version
08:33<bremner>I guess the problem is you try to build-dep the sid version on lenny
08:33<amz>glauco: but i wanna have that mac80211
08:33<babilen>amz: yes - Read line 32 and 33
08:33<amz>i am on lenny
08:33<glauco>amz, run command make dep
08:33<babilen>amz: And install libnl-dev
08:34<amz>as you see in that log
08:34<amz>i have it
08:34<bremner>amz: new packages are not guaranteed to build on lenny. People, did you read the log before giving advice? :)
08:34<amz>libnl-dev is already the newest version.
08:34<glauco>*** WARNING *** LibNL/nl80211 support was not found. Kismet uses libnl to control
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08:35<babilen>bremner: hehe *blush*
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08:35<glauco>iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor
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08:35<glauco>works ?
08:36<amz>but i need new kismet
08:37<amz>not old
08:37<amz>Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy.
08:37<glauco>amz, wlan0 in use!
08:37<amz>zd1211rw (starting with 2.6.25)
08:37<amz>is that card
08:38<amz>that card is not in use, because i use cable connection
08:38<amz>and buildin card wifi work in monitor
08:38<glauco>try: ifconfig wlan0 down
08:38<glauco>iwconfig wlan0 mode monitor
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08:38<amz>ok work
08:39<amz>wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg Mode:Monitor Tx-Power=20 dBm Retry long limit:7 RTS thr:off Fragment thr:off
08:39<amz>so i dont need to install any ?
08:39<amz>just compile next steps?
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08:39<glauco>Will not need the libNL
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08:39<glauco>Since the drives are ok. and your card is in monitor mode.
08:40<amz>because i use 4wifi cards lol
08:40<glauco>line 35
08:40<glauco>Configuration complete. Run 'make dep' to generate dependencie
08:40<glauco>and 'make' followed by 'make install' to compile and install.
08:41<glauco>sample, airmon
08:41<glauco>is nice!
08:41<glauco>airmon wlan0
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08:52<angela_>hello all
08:53<angela_>ik heb een vtraag
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08:53<Ganneff>angela_: speak english
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08:54<nils1>hi there! can anyone tell me, where debian is getting translated? i just found out that it is not launchpad..
08:54<angela_>i have as vcnviewer beuro one dithens ken you tel me how it`s works
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08:56<glauco>killall gdm
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08:57<angela_>vncviewer one disthens how ken i yous it??
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08:57<dpkg>Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl.
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09:21<fasta>My screen goes off (backlight turns off) randomly, but with a change to the console and back to X it is enabled again with some luck for an unknown about of time (but more than 30 minutes usually). Do these events get reported by the kernel, does the kernel initiate it or does the BIOS do it. Is the BIOS even active after the kernel has control (AFAIK, no)?
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10:11<panda>hi all
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10:12<panda>i search help for sed, i want delete a word in line, but i'm very newbie for the syntax
10:13<rudi_s>panda: cat file | sed 's/word//' > result
10:13<rudi_s>This replaces word with nothing (i.e. removing it).
10:14<panda>rudi_s, ooh thank !! i will test it.
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10:15<locklace>!uuoc rudi_s
10:15*dpkg hands rudi_s the "useless use of cat" award
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10:16<rudi_s>True, sed 's/word//' file would work too but I somehow prefer the cat.
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10:17<locklace>cat foo | command is just an extra-lame version of command < foo
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10:17<jrabbit>rtfm for sed
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10:18<rudi_s>locklace: With IMHO the different that I can immediately see which file I use when command is long.
10:18<rudi_s>jrabbit: ?
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10:19<locklace>rudi_s: huh?
10:20<rudi_s>s/different/difference/; I meant in a script.
10:20<locklace>i don't understand what you mean
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10:22<rudi_s>locklace: If I use it in a script and have cat file | command with long argument string, perl script with -e or whatever; I can see immediately which file is used command arguments < file hides that IMHO a little. But just my personal preference, < is of course more efficient.
10:22<locklace>rudi_s: you can equally well use < file command args
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10:24<rudi_s>locklace: Nice, I didn't knew that. Is that POSIX compatible?
10:24<locklace>sure, the position of redirection operators on the commandline has never been significant
10:25<rudi_s>locklace: Great, thank you very much, I didn't know that.
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10:29<panda>i search help for sed, i want delete a word in line, but i'm very newbie for the syntax. And in the end of my line, i have "type none (rw,bind)" i want delete it. thx a lot
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10:29<panda>rudi_s, sorry
10:31<panda>rudi_s, sed 's/word//' don't work with "1,8d" thx, and in the end of lines, i want delete type none (rw,bind). thx a lot, it is script for vftpd ;)
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10:32<rudi_s>panda: I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to do, but maybe this works sed '1,8d; s/type none (rw,bind)//'
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10:35<Isra69>buenos dias
10:35<Isra69>good morning
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10:40<Isra69>good friends I need a help I am installing a web server but when I configure the apache problems known me a tutorial or something where I can help me
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10:41<Isra69>buenas amigos necesito una ayuda estoy instalando un servidor web pero cuando configuro el apache me da problemas conocen un tutorial o algo en la que yo me pueda ayudar
10:41-!-mode/#debian [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ
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10:42<jthomas_sb>did you check howtoforge ? not pefect but they usually have pretty good starting points.
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10:42<jthomas_sb>Isra69 haz clic en ese 'link' ^^
10:43<jthomas_sb>can anyone assist me in getting xrdp working on my Sid box (KDE if that matters, but it shouldn't). I have xrdp installed but I cannot connect to it
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10:51<tholmith>mounting floppy from nautilus clicking on the icon works, but using mount from the command line doesn't work. is this normal?
10:51<dr|z3d>Depends.. how are you attempting to mount from prompt?
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10:53<tholmith>using mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
10:54<tholmith>as normal user i mean,
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10:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:55<babilen>dfourier: Or speak English in here. :)
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10:57<jthomas_sb>tholmith as a normal user, try 'pmount /dev/fd0 '
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10:57<jthomas_sb>and to unmount, 'pumount /dev/fd0'
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11:02<tholmith>jthomas_sb, pmount is not installed. i don't see why. but if i can mount it from nautils, why not from the command line?
11:02<jthomas_sb>dunno, i don't get gnome
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11:05<dr|z3d>tholmith: Random idea.. is the user account setup to access external drives...
11:06<dr|z3d>You might need to add it to the correct group.
11:06<jthomas_sb>i am asking on #gnome and they don't yet know either
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11:07<tholmith>groups sais: users adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape sudo audio dip video plugdev scanner lpadmin netdev fuse powerdev
11:07<dr|z3d>More I think of it, more I think it's a permissions issue for that account. themill will confirm or deny. :)
11:07*dr|z3d waves at themill
11:07<jthomas_sb>if gnome can do it with tholmith user account, i would expect tholmith could also, no?
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11:08<dr|z3d>Can't access floppy from command line, nautilus does it fine, themill.. any ideas? I'm thinking permissions/group for ext drive access..
11:08<dr|z3d>Unless nautilus is doing something "clever"
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11:09<Isra69>thk brother
11:10<jthomas_sb>or tholmith, just install pmount
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11:10<dr|z3d>Hmm. so not a permissions issue per se, then. Oddness.
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11:12<tholmith>jthomas_sb, this is kinda odd to me though... i don't see why install pmount since is not installed as default, not that i have something against the package.
11:13<jthomas_sb>likely due to security, so that a multi-user system cannot mount drives that may be a security issue. but, if nautalis can do it, then i don't know
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11:14<dr|z3d>tholmith: You're not mounting in nautilus and then trying to mount from a prompt without unmounting from nautilus, are you?
11:14<dr|z3d>I wonder if nautilus is locking access down.
11:14<tholmith>or perhaps mounting floppys as normal user, withouth sudo, which isn't enabled by default anyway, even if the user is in the floppy group, is not 'normal'? i wonder if this aplys to cdrom too...
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11:15<tholmith>dr|z3d, nope. i'm not that new to computers ^^
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11:15<dr|z3d>Hmmkay. Just a thought. Wasn't calling into question your newbness or otherwise!
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11:16<sun>hi how do i get rid of pulse? i am running squeeze/sid and i use skype, and afew days ago pulse came. i have 2 usb audio cards (music to amp, and skype headset) and i cant select the audio in skype through pulse. so how do i get rid of pulse and get back to alsa?
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11:16<dr|z3d>sudo aptitude remove pulse
11:17<dr|z3d>That would be a good start!
11:17<tholmith>dr|z3d, no problem. notice the ^^ at the end of the previous thing i said. sould've been :)
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11:17<sun>dr|z3d yes, but will alsa still be functional?
11:17<dr|z3d>Yeah, I know we're good, tholmith. No worries!
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11:18<dr|z3d>sun: Should be.. best way to find out is to experiment..
11:18<dr|z3d>Remember, you can always reinstall if you break stuff.
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11:19<aygo>How I can control protocols at layer 7 like http,ftp ecc..? The project l7-protocol does not seem to have more than a maintainer.... see
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11:20<aygo>How I can control protocols at layer 7 like http,ftp ecc..? The project l7-protocol does not seem to have more than a maintainer.... see
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11:21<tholmith>!tell aygo about repeat
11:22<aygo>? tholmith
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11:26<dr|z3d>aygo: He's telling you via the bot that ONCE is enough when you ask a question.. within a 10-15 minute window, at least.
11:27<tholmith>aygo, you said same thing twice in less than 2 minutes. (sorry for delay)
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11:28<aygo>I am sorry for my bad english, but no one give me simple help in lartc channel..
11:30<davromaniak>I would like to know if there's a correct howto which explains how to remove some modules in the kernel package
11:30<davromaniak>I would like to remove the sound card support and the wireless support (it's for a server), and maybe other useless modules for a server
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11:31<Kiko>algien española
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11:32<Kiko> o español
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11:32<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
11:33<tholmith>aygo, i suppose you are using lenny. l7-filter-userspace is available only on squeeze and sid.
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11:36<dpkg>i heard hu is Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a -t.
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11:47<panda>rudi_s, my friend has unplug my power of my notebook... pfffff, with sed i make my command with == >mount -l | sed '1,8d; s/type none (rw)//; s/on // ' now i want add "mount --bind" beginning of my sentence. thx
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11:51<rudi_s>panda: Have a look at the man page, the insert command does this for you (i).
11:51<the-dude>how can I refresh a used quota filesystem?
11:52<bja>panda: google it there are some great sites about sed :)
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11:52<panda>rudi_s, yes thx, i look howto in the web ;) nice
11:52<the-dude>I tried quotacheck -vagu but then it complains
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11:59<panda>bja, i think, but sed is not friendly for a beginner ;)
11:59<karman12>hi :)
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11:59<karman12>hola :)
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12:00<bja>panda: sed is friendly, only a little selective of his friendships
12:01<karman12>where get ati HD5770 driver ?, help me, please
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12:02<karman12>where? where?
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12:03<karman12>bye bye
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12:03<panda>bja, i think, and i want be her friend xD
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12:09<aguitel>i am trying to install virtualbox-ose and it say:aguitel is not in the sudoers file ,what is this?
12:09<Elessar>I saw that, in unstable, the man program, when given two arguments, searches for an arg1-arg2 manpage, which is cool for git command manpages, for instance.
12:09<babilen>aguitel: You probably forgot to configure sudo. How did you try to install it?
12:09<Elessar>Do you know when that has been introduced?
12:10<aguitel>babilen, i will make again with root
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12:12<aguitel>babilen, when i try to configure virtualbox-ose it say: Couldn't find package vboxdrv
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12:13<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:13<angela_>what do i yous for help one disthens on debian ???
12:13<aguitel>babilen, i make:modprobe vboxdrv and it say :FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found
12:13<babilen>aguitel: Could you provide us with the information ^^^^ replace PKG1 with virtualbox-ose and vboxdrv
12:14<babilen>aguitel: Have installed the virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r) package?
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12:15<Elessar>Or the DKMS one, babilen.
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12:16<aguitel>babilen, it say:Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.32-3-686"
12:17<babilen>aguitel: Please provide the information in dpkg's factoid
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12:17<glauco>I will help you
12:18<glauco>remove it. apt-get purge virtualbox-3.1 reinstall: apt-get install virtualbox-3.1
12:19<glauco>show me the logs.
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12:19<aguitel>glauco, Package virtualbox-3.1 is not installed, so not removed
12:19<glauco>Debian lenny ?
12:19<Dave__>hello, i could use a little help if anyone is available
12:19<aguitel>glauco, squeeze
12:19<babilen>glauco: That package does not exist in Debian
12:20<locklace>!tell Dave__ about ask
12:20<glauco>add: /etc/apt/source.list
12:20<glauco>#virtualbox deb lenny non-free
12:20<glauco>deb lenny non-free
12:20<babilen>aguitel: Please provide the information I asked you about. There is not much we can do without it.
12:20<Dave__>cheers for that
12:20<glauco>in /etc/apt/source.lst
12:20<aguitel>babilen, how i do that
12:20<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:21<glauco>do, apt-get update
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12:21<glauco>and try: apt-get install virtualbox-3.1
12:21<Dave__>well basically, i'm running a radeon 4670 card, and i just installed lenny. When I get to the login, my screen blanks and i get the input not supported error. If i start in single mode i can eventually get to bash, but can't grab fglrx because I cannot connect to the wireless network. I don't know how. Or if it's even possible.
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12:21<babilen>aguitel: "apt-cache policy" "apt-cache policy virtualbox-ose"
12:21<glauco>ok, aguitel ?
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12:22<babilen>aguitel: The instructions on the wiki page are pretty clear. You will need to follow the section on squeeze
12:22<babilen>,versions virtualbox-ose
12:22<judd>virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.1.4-dfsg-2; squeeze: 3.1.4-dfsg-2
12:23<glauco>Dave__, do, command dmesg > log.txt
12:23<glauco>send me log
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12:23<glauco>Ose version, it's crap. VIRTUALBOX
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12:24<locklace>Dave__: time to do some xorg.conf-hacking
12:24<babilen>!tell aguitel -about vbox-install squeeze
12:24<Dave__>yeah, i read a debian forum about it
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12:25<Dave__>but i don't know how or where to put the monitor reqs
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12:25<Dave__>you can imagine i am new to this
12:25<locklace>!tell Dave__ about modeline
12:25<Dave__>also, i can't send the log glauco because i'm in windows atm
12:25<glauco>dmesg > log.txt
12:25<babilen>aguitel: dpkg just send you a PM which summarises the installation procedure
12:26<glauco>mount usbdisk, e send
12:26<locklace>Dave__: you might be able to get away with just adding vertfresh/horizsync values; see "man xorg.conf". try that first; if that doesn't fly, it's modeline time
12:26<Dave__>ok, thanks :)
12:26<glauco>babilen, Would not it be better to install the version 3.1 update.
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12:27<Dave__>also, i'll come back to you with the log if it fails. Thanks for the help so far.
12:27<babilen>glauco: Which update?
12:27<glauco>install version 3.1
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12:27<babilen>glauco: 3.1 is in squeeze
12:27<babilen>,versions virtualbox-ose
12:27<judd>virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.1.4-dfsg-2; squeeze: 3.1.4-dfsg-2
12:27<babilen>glauco: ^^^^^
12:27<glauco>than being the ose.
12:27<kfst>, versions sausages
12:27<judd>Sorry, no package named 'sausages' was found.
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12:28<babilen>glauco: And the one that is provided by Debian. I will not support third-party .debs in here.
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12:28<glauco>babilen, 2.6.32-trunk-686
12:28<glauco>Debian lenny 5 testing.
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12:29<babilen>glauco: What?
12:29<glauco>works VirtualBox 3.1
12:29<adb>lenny 5 is not testing.
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12:30<glauco>Weekly build
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12:30<babilen>glauco: What are you talking about?
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12:30<glauco>deb lenny non-free
12:30<babilen>aguitel: Still there?
12:31<glauco>apt-get install virtualbox-3.1
12:31<glauco>very nice.
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12:32<babilen>glauco: virtualbox 3.1 is in squeeze (which is used by aguitel) and available from bpo for lenny users
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12:33<glauco>my version is squeeze.
12:33<glauco>works fine.
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12:37<glauco>see it
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12:39<babilen>glauco: Yes, virtualbox offers third party packages. So what? There are packages in the *official* repositories as well, that are supported and maintained by Debian.
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12:40<glauco>babilen, ok, if he wants to date. I'll show you how.
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12:41<Reaper>fucking shit
12:41<babilen>glauco: I am not sure if he wants to date.
12:41<babilen>Reaper: Calm down :)
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12:42<Reaper>who are you??
12:42<babilen>Reaper: Do you have a Debian related question?
12:42<adb> ops Reaper need attention
12:43<bja>Reaper: You have entered #debian the support chanel for Debian
12:43<bja>adb: wait
12:43<aguitel>babilen, thanks
12:43<aguitel>glauco, thanks
12:43<babilen>aguitel: Did that (whatever you have done in the last minutes) work out?
12:43<Reaper>ok then
12:43<Reaper>i thing i need help
12:43<aguitel>babilen, it works
12:43<babilen>!congratulate aguitel
12:43<dpkg>Good show aguitel, you did it!
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12:44<bja>Ok feel free to post your full question on a single sentece so everyone can follow best
12:44<mase> product from apple?
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12:45<Reaper>hey man babilen can you explain me how does this shit works
12:46<glauco>i from brasil, write more less english.
12:46<babilen>Reaper: You ask a precide question and the people in the channel will try to answer it. You would use your fingers to type the question.
12:46<bja>!tell Reaper about irc tutorial
12:46<Reaper>ok then
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12:49<Reaper>can anyone explain me how can i make a css server on linux?????
12:49<mase>whats a css server?
12:49<babilen>what is a css server?
12:49<babilen>mase: high five
12:49<aguitel>glauco, i return frm brasil yesterday
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12:49<dpkg>well, css is the Content Scramble System, a DRM scheme for video DVD-s, or Cascading Style Sheets:
12:50<babilen>adb: so, what is a "CSS server" ?
12:50<adb> a web using CSS ..
12:50<glauco>aguitel, Really?
12:50<Reaper>and what about open ports ???
12:51<babilen>glauco, aguitel: Please /join #debian-offtopic - nice channel for personal discussions
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12:51<glauco>babilen: :**
12:52<mase>Reaper can you repeat you problem/question in a complete sentence please?
12:52<Reaper>sorry man i was meaning counter-strike source server
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12:53<mase>hah, i made a joke about counter strike, but it was real...
12:54<Reaper>what you mean???
12:54<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, gamer is a guy who play creepy games, like Counter Strike and World of Warcraft
12:54*babilen suddenly lost interest
12:55<adb>babilen, is css (game) supported here ?
12:56<bja>Is it on the official repositories?
12:56<babilen>adb: Why should it? But I don't see a problem with supporting Debian specific aspects of the setup.
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12:57<adb>babilen, i dunno , just tho
12:57<babilen>Reaper: I guess you would have to acquire the software, install and configure it.
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12:58<Reaper>linux looks like great but i don't rely know how to use this software
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12:59<babilen>Reaper: I never tried to configure a css server, but I guess that it comes with some installation instructions. Where is the software from anyway?
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12:59<Reaper>i mostly use windows instead
12:59<babilen>Reaper: They might have support as well.
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13:00<Reaper>can you tell me some things about linux???
13:00<adb>Reaper, try linux [##linux] on <freenode>, or #linux on <oftc>
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13:01<adb>Reaper, which 'linux' you use ?
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13:02<Reaper>back track 4
13:02<babilen>Reaper: You might want to start with installing Debian and you might want to read the "Debian Reference" cover to cover
13:02<babilen>Reaper: Backtrack is *not* supported in here
13:02<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
13:02<babilen>Reaper: ^^^^^
13:03<babilen>!tell glauco -about selftell
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13:04<bja>!beer babilen
13:04*dpkg deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for babilen
13:04<babilen>little early for beer though :-\
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13:04<Reaper>and you???
13:05<bja>babilen: somewhere around the clock is 20:00 feel free
13:05<sdk>Reaper: just google for Linux Intro - There's one at : That may get you on your way.
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13:05<adb>Reaper, debian
13:05<Reaper>ok man
13:05<Reaper>what linux do you use??
13:05<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
13:06<babilen>Reaper: ^^^^ and you are in a *Debian* support channel. Take a guess ;)
13:06<Reaper>what you mean???
13:06<sdk>babilen: methinks Reaper's grasp of english is hindered by age and a language barrier. Definitely a double whammy.
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13:06<babilen>Reaper: We use Debian. Resistance is futile.
13:06<jthomas_sb>Reaper, GNU/Linux is a collection of software that people combine into a million variations, called Distributions or Distros. Debian is one, BackTrack is another. This is support for Debian.
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13:07<babilen>Reaper: Where are you from?
13:07<sdk>Reaper: everyone here uses Debian. Debian is a version of Linux. For more detail, to go and start there.
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13:07<dpkg>Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to & to #debian-el (, For help in Greek try or #debian-el ( or
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13:08<Reaper>ti einai auto???
13:09<babilen>Reaper: Try: "/server" "/join" - the channel on oftc are dead
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13:09<babilen>Reaper: Make that "/join"
13:10<Reaper>and you babilen were are you from???
13:10<sdk>Reaper: on internet:
13:11<Reaper>yes i did that
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13:11<locklace>mari: hablan ingles o salir, perra
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13:12<bja>That was quick
13:12<bja>!beer locklace
13:12*dpkg pours a litre of Jever for locklace
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13:12*babilen prefers Jever :)
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13:27*MeCooL i`m back
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13:29<twb>I installed apt-listchanges, but it doesn't seem to *do* anything when I run "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" in screen on the framebuffer console.
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13:29<twb>AFAICT it's enabled by default, so WTF?
13:29<adb>MeCooL, as you back , how install a proxy ?
13:30<themill>MeCooL: I've asked you to stop announcing your back/away status several times and banned you for not doing so several times. Please just desist.
13:31<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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13:32<bja>muzy: es-social $nick works also
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13:32<locklace>YON: hablan ingles o salir, tu hijo de un chihuahua de epilepsia
13:33<muzy>ah okay bja thanks.
13:33<themill>locklace: umm.... please stop being a pratt
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13:45<sney>!es-social mari
13:45<dpkg>mari: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:20<bgat>I just used the daily installation image for amd64, and it didn't set up the root password or any user/password.
14:20<bgat>when I boot to recovery mode and then attempt to run passwd, I get this:
14:20<muzy>did you used the advanced install?
14:21<muzy>i would recommend it
14:21<bgat>OaaqsL Atarwn weeie
14:21<bgat>passwd: System error
14:21<bgat>ok, will try the advanced install
14:22<sney>bgat: also, check the md5sum on your installer image, it may have been corrupted towards the end
14:23<bgat>sney: f0225a2ba20454b08f81d5d9473d4d4a debian-testing-amd64-netinst-1.iso
14:23<sney>why are you showing me?
14:23<bgat>good question. :)
14:23<bgat>'cause my fingers are faster than my frustrated brain, at the moment :)
14:23<sney>well, we've all been there.
14:24<sney>anyway if it checksums then go ahead and do the expert install
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14:25<bgat>where are the md5sums listed on
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14:33<bgat>sney: this "corruption" of which you speak, would it just nuke the ISO image? or would it be something that would result in an installer image that *looks* like it works, but doesn't?
14:35<tholmith>bgat, if it didn't setup a password, and the install is done, just reboot in single user mode and fix it.
14:35<bgat>tholmith: tried that, got the "passwd: System error" message when I did.
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14:37<torstefan>hi, when I start up virtualbox it hijacks my sound. what could I do about this?
14:37<bgat>slightly-related question: I have a 1TB drive, and I want a dedicated partition for /home. How big do you think the "everything else" partition needs to be? I have a very large home directory, so I want the rootfs partition to be small but not TOO small. I'm an embedded software developer, so I tend to have a pretty large-ish package list.
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14:38<bgat>do you think that a 200GB rootfs would be big enough?
14:38<babilen>bgat: Just use LVM and adjust the sizes to your needs
14:39<babilen>bgat: and a 200GB root is more than enough ... (orders of magnitude)
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14:39<bgat>babilen: well, here's the next thing. I have two drives, and I'm trying to do md raid 1
14:39<tholmith>i think 50G for / is enough
14:39<babilen>you don't need that much as well ..
14:40<babilen>bgat: There is nothing stopping you from using both
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14:40<bgat>babilen: except for my limited mental capacity to keep track of what's going on a year from now, when I dork my rootfs again. :)
14:41<creeed>I need help to rescue my windows partition and make grub able to boot from it, I tried rescue-mode but just I can install grub in MBR and boot to debian, I tried to change the root entry in /boot/grub/menu.list for windows but I just cant boot this!
14:41<creeed>I will appreciate any help, thanks
14:41<babilen>bgat: Just have weekly disaster-recovery exercises :)
14:42<babilen>bgat: But honestly - you *want* LVM. And it's not that hard, once you realise how the pieces fit together
14:42<bgat>babilen: yea, I should really get around to doing that. been on my todo-list for, oh, five years now!
14:42<babilen>bgat: And 5-10GB / should be enough anyway.
14:42<babilen>bgat: Just do it :)
14:42<bgat>oh, alright :)
14:42<bgat>babilen: that sounds like you volunteering to coach me through the installer steps, eh? :)
14:43<babilen>bgat: But it all depends on your setup - If you want to put some 400GB databases in /var you need to adjust the sizes
14:44<bgat>I tend to have a dozen or so linux kernels under LXR at any given time, as well as two or three complete Android source code bases. Those can get pretty huge, but regretfully, I note how large they were before my workstation lobotimized itself yesterday morning...
14:44<bgat>s/lobotimized/lobotomized/g , or however you spell that :)
14:44<babilen>bgat: Sorry - I'm invited to dinner and will leave soon. But you can choose LVM as a guided-partitioning setting. But you might want to configure that manually. The procedure should be detailed in the installation guide. And there are other people around as well. (If not here, you'll find them at
14:45<bgat>babilen: oh, right... "just go over there, you'll know it when you see it"-type directions. I love those! :)
14:45<babilen>bgat: What?
14:45<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
14:45<bgat>babilen: no problem, I was trying to make a lame joke. I'll stick to the technical stuff. :)
14:46<sney>bgat: for what it's worth, a corrupted or partially downloaded installer iso can work partway and then fail
14:46<babilen>bgat: see
14:46<dpkg>rumour has it, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager ( Resources:,, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>,, IRC: #lvm on
14:46<bgat>sney: I can't find the md5sums listed anywhere on d.o.
14:46<sney>bgat: they're in the same directory as the iso you downloaded.
14:47<bgat>sney: heh, I just clicked through... shame on me. I'll go find them
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14:47<babilen>!check iso
14:47<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the iso image on the mirror.
14:47<bgat>sney: yep, there they are. I wonder why Firefox just took me to the ISO last time?
14:48<kfst>creeed: give us your menu.list plz
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14:48<babilen>bgat: Good luck, I'm off. (Yummy)
14:48<bgat>babilen: enjoy!
14:48<bgat>sney: the md5sum matches
14:48<amz>any there?
14:48<amz>how allow root login in kde?
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14:49<bgat>I looked in /etc/shadow, and the installer left a "*" in the root password field. and there wasn't anything in /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd for the non-root user I created. It's as if it skipped that step.
14:51<kfst>creeed, I can't help you configuring grub if you won't write me anything :) - did you try chainloader +1?
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14:52<ema>k tal
14:52<kfst>...and I can't help you now, I should go to do a nightparty :)
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14:52<sney>!es-social ema
14:52<dpkg>ema: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:52<ema>no te entiendo
14:52<bja>ema calla
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14:52<ema>ablo en español
14:52<chr7>a vale
14:52<sney>ingles solamente aqui
14:53<creeed>kfst, sorry for waiting.. yes chainloader +1
14:53<chr7>de donde eres
14:53<creeed>root (hd0,0)
14:53<bja>chr7: calla
14:53<ema>y tu
14:53<sney>!es-social chr7
14:53<dpkg>chr7: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:53<creeed>and makeaktiv too
14:53<bja>ema: calla
14:53<chr7>de q lugar
14:53<ema> y tu
14:53<chr7>aa murciana
14:53<sney>chr7 y ema analfabetos
14:53<chr7>yo de huelva
14:53<creeed>I tried rootnoverify too
14:53<ema>me voy
14:54<bja>ema: por un cojon de mico callas o te saco de aquí
14:54<ema>ahora me conecto
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14:56<sney>dios mio
14:56<ema>k pasa
14:56<sney>!ops lost spaniard ema
14:56<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: lost spaniard ema
14:57<creeed>in rescue-mode I chroot my root partition and when I run fdisk there, I just get cannot open /proc/partitions
14:57<peterS>ema: not in here, please
14:57<ema>soy española
14:57<bja>ema: que calles, ahora viene la ayuda
14:57<creeed>it seems like the kernel dont know y partitions
14:57<ema>k ayuda
14:57<peterS>ema: #debian-es ?
14:57<bja>ema: Parte superior izquierda de tu pantalla linea que dice bja pica ahi con el mounse
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14:58<creeed>what's going on here!!
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14:58<amz>where i can configure sudo?
14:58<peterS>amz: /etc/sudoers
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14:58<peterS>or run 'visudo' to edit it
14:58<jhutchins_lt>creeed: If you chrooted and didn't mount /proc that would explain things.
14:59<Kumul>why is it you need to run visudo to edit one simple file?
14:59<peterS>Kumul: you don't have to. but it does some syntax checking before it saves it.
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14:59<ema>me largo
14:59<creeed>jhutchins_lt, oh yeah
14:59<jhutchins_lt>Kumul: visudo just wraps your default editor in a check script.
15:00<jhutchins_lt>Kumul: Doesn't necessarily run vi.
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15:05<creeed>jhutchins_lt, no chance!
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15:07<Kumul>thats nice to know sir
15:07<Kumul>if so, they should rename into something that makes sense
15:08<Kumul>like editsudo
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15:11<bgat>Kumul: I'd like to see "emacssudo", myself. :)
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15:22*MeCooL :)
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15:30<bremner>locklace: oh yeah, just try and join #fail
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15:33<glauco>join #sexo
15:33<locklace>bremner: there's more than enough fail right here
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15:41<Florian_Weber>Hello, how can I update my systemclock?
15:42<sney>with 'date' and 'hwclock'
15:42<Florian_Weber>thanks, I'll try
15:42<glauco>date -s "14:00"
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15:43<Florian_Weber>glauco: mine tells: Mi 2. Jan 02:58:28 CET 2002
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15:43<glauco>hour is ok ?
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15:44<Florian_Weber>no, defnitly not
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15:45<Florian_Weber>well, it enables finding out, when I installed the system ;-)
15:45<ml|>!set time
15:45<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
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15:47<Florian_Weber>I'll reboot, thanks
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15:47<glauco>not necessary
15:47<sney>must be a windows user
15:47<oncoma>too late.. ;)
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15:49<pbi>hi, is there a problem with latest sid xorg packages ?
15:49<sney>it's sid, there's usually a problem
15:49<sney>check bts
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15:51<glauco>bitchx heehhe
15:51<oncoma>sry.. ;)
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15:51<pbi>is there an up to date sid status page ?
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15:51<glauco>sney, Macgyver
15:52<sney>what the hell are you on about glauco
15:52<bremner>pbi: not really. The topic of #debian-devel is sometimes informative
15:52<dondelelcaro>pbi: what "status" are you interested in knowing about?
15:53<pbi>currently broken packages of the day
15:53<dondelelcaro>pbi: the bts has all of that
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15:53<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try or . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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15:55<pbi>may I suggest that /msg dpkg sid be updated to point to up to date references .
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15:56<dondelelcaro>pbi: ?
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15:56<ml|>sid factiod is fine
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15:57<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
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15:57<dpkg>Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. See also <squeeze kernel>.
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16:01<bremner>pbi: I meant look at /topic in #debian-devel, not bother people there ;)
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16:02*bremner learns something
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16:04<pbi>dondelelcaro: sorry, preempted. I was speaking about the link to which in turn points to which looked promising but totally out of date.
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16:06<aguitel>i am running squeeze and i need to hide item in the boot menu ,how i do that?
16:06<dondelelcaro>pbi: uh... I don't see a link to that website, but the faq could contain information which is out of date
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16:07<ml|>I get the correct page also
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16:08<pbi>dondelelcaro: the main url is That's from /msg dpkg sid
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16:10<ml|>pbi: you mean from 'sid faq' ; or (mirror)
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16:13<themill>pbi: there's nothing in that faq that needs updating
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16:14<pbi>themill: the link "Status of Unstable" points to
16:14<bremner>which doesn't exist
16:15<themill>pbi: why has it take 20 minutes to finally get this bit of information out of you...
16:15<pbi>because my X is broken
16:16<themill>And that prevents lucid conversation? Excellent.
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16:19<pbi>fine, lets argue another 20 minutes about my conversation, and then again about this new conversation.
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16:20<pbi>I'm sorry it took me some time to provide exact URLs I followed. I'm sorry you had to wait so much time for this information.
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16:26<aguitel>i am running squeeze and i need to hide windows in the boot menu ,how i do that?
16:27<cahoot>grub or grub2?
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16:29<ml|>isn't grub-pc default now in testing/sid?
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16:30<cahoot>what if upgraded from lenny and kept grub?
16:31<sney>the squeeze upgrade would pull in grub-pc
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16:31<ml|>would it get upgraded too?
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16:31<cahoot>thought it was optional
16:32<aguitel>cahoot, grub2
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16:33<aguitel>i change the order of the boot os with startupmanager
16:33<cahoot>aguitel: got a windows entry in /etc/grub.d?
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16:34<aguitel>cahoot, i edit this file?
16:35<cahoot>I *think* the procedure is to remove/move away the file pointing to windows - then run update-grub
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16:37<aguitel>cahoot, what file?
16:37<cahoot>aguitel: got a windows entry in /etc/grub.d?
16:37<sney>/etc/grub.d is a directory, aguitel
16:37<ml|>should just remove the executable bit and leave there would be better, if that is what is need it
16:38<aguitel>cahoot, /etc/grub.d is a directory
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16:39<cahoot>yes and is there a file that seems to point to windows?
16:40<aguitel>cahoot, 30_os-prober
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16:45<ml|>aguitel: try chmod -x 30_os-prober ; then grub-mkconfig and see if windows is still listed in stdout
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16:47<bgat>grub-installer: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for 'md0'
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16:51<aguitel>ml|, is not
16:51*bgat punts on the daily installer image
16:51<bgat>helloooo, lenny!
16:51<ml|>aguitel: is that what you want?
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16:52<aguitel>ml|, i want to hide windows entry in boot menu
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16:53<ml|>right, didn't doing what I suggested do that?
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16:53<aguitel>ml|, it work
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16:53<aguitel>ml|, how i reverse this?
16:54<aguitel>ml|, if i want to see windows in boot menu
16:54<ml|>aguitel: chmod +x 30_os-prober
16:54<ml|>but you have made it permanent yet
16:55<ml|>s/have//have not/
16:56<ml|>only if you run update-grub2 after doing chmod -x 30_os-prober ; will it become permanent
16:56<aguitel>ml|, ok
16:56<ml|>grub-mkconfig is just to test
16:57<aguitel>ml|, great
16:58<ml|>you might need to repeat this after future grub updates
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17:02<ml|>aguitel: should 'man chmod' too understand a bit about chmod
17:03<aguitel>ml|, ok]
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17:12<aguitel>ml|, many times i want to hide windows in the menu to secure my son running linux (not windoze)
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17:16<ml|>aguitel: I see, now you can :)
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18:14<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: Set a password on the boot menu.
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18:16<stuckey>I'm trying to install a system from my usb stick. I'm able to boot from the stick, but the installer crashes after it gets past "configure cd rom"/"configure network" when it asks if I want to load drivers from removable media. I select "yes" and then it just crashes. I have to do a hard reboot to bring the system back up.
18:17<stuckey>Does anyone know how I can remedy this?
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18:21<aguitel>jhutchins_lt, why?
18:24<stuckey>jhutchins_lt: I'm able to boot from my stick now but the installer crashes.
18:24<jhutchins_lt>aguitel: That will keep anyone who doesn't have the password from selecting and alternative boot (Windows).
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18:25<jhutchins_lt>stuckey: Sounds like you have't read the install guide.
18:25<stuckey>jhutchins_lt: Oh no, I read the install guide.
18:25<aguitel>jhutchins_lt, a ok
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18:27<stuckey> <--- this you mean?
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18:36<NotMyFault>how do I connect to a different server in xchat?
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18:37<adb>Xchat> New> Server tab
18:37<gsimmons>stuckey: What driver(s) are you attempting to provide to the installer?
18:37<adb>NotMyFault, ^^
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18:38<NotMyFault>adb: ???
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18:38<adb>do click on ..
18:38<NotMyFault>ok, thanks
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18:39<tholmith>NotMyFault, press Ctrl+T
18:39<NotMyFault>What's the command to connect?
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18:39<stuckey>gsimmons: I'm not sure. I get to network configuration and then it asks to load drivers from usb stick... It's a yes or no question. I hit yes, continue, and then nothing. Just the grey screen.
18:40<tholmith>NotMyFault, /server name_of_server
18:40<petemc>or /connect
18:41<ml|>and /join #channel_name
18:41<NotMyFault>Thanks tholmith!
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18:44*SouL gn all :S
18:44<stuckey>gsimmons: What is on the disk:
18:45<Kumul>is there an irc tutorial around?
18:45<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Kumul -about irc primer
18:47<gsimmons>stuckey: That's the list of files on your Debian installation medium (USB)?
18:47<stuckey>gsimmons: yes
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18:49<Lanz>Speaking of IRC
18:49<Lanz>Is there an easy to setup and manage client, that comes with nickserv and everything you'd need, in Debian?
18:49<Lanz>I wouldn't mind setting one up on my home server...
18:50<Lanz>And by client I mean server
18:50<Kumul>, gsimmons or anyone, does it work?
18:51<atrus>Lanz: for what purpose? in general i'd recommend an xmpp multi-user chat anyways.
18:52<Kumul>Lanz; lots of servers support services,
18:52<Lanz>Good call, I never even thought of xmpp
18:52<Lanz>That'll work better for me I think
18:52<Lanz>Thanks for the idea guys!
18:52<Kumul>cool! XML! because everyone loves it
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18:53<stuckey>I'm beginning to wish I would have just burned a CD>
18:53<stuckey>But I mean, I know I've read stuff about people installing Debian from a usb drive.
18:54<stuckey>I can't assume that it doesn't work. There must be something wrong with the way I'm doing it.
18:54<stuckey>I know that my hardware is supported; that I checked through googling the hardware + usb boot.
18:54<Kumul>no but reallly, who thought that a simple user should configure hal by means of xml?
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18:54<stuckey>Perhaps someone here knows of a guide on how to do this? I'm going to have to assume the instructions I followed are at fault.
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18:55<icebrain>hi! good guide on setting up CIFS shared dirs?
18:55<stuckey>In fact I know they were partially. I had to go back and something that wasn't in the instructions to make the device bootable.
18:56<gsimmons>stuckey: Did you try answering 'no' when prompted? If the installer doesn't have support for any/all of your network devices, you should at least be able to continue installation of the base system (and common packages) from your supplied CD image.
18:57<stuckey>gsimmons: Yes. No I'm not able to.
18:58<stuckey>gsimmons: I have a full .iso image (650MB) on the usb stick. Yes it has support for all of my network devices. I could put a CD in right now and it would install just fine.
18:58<ml|>stuckey: and the iso is fine?
18:59<stuckey>ml|: how do I check that?
18:59<ml|>stuckey: /msg dpkg check iso
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19:01<ml|>you can just do md5sum /path/to/iso and verify
19:01<stuckey>Yes it is the same
19:01<ml|>ok, then that's not an issue
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19:05<stuckey>ml|: My usb stick is set up correctly. So there's something wrong with the installer.
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19:06<gsimmons>stuckey: The size of your initrd.gz file (assuming use of the amd64 graphical installer) appears to be incomplete. I was expecting 13704789 bytes, not 12956286.
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19:06<ml|>stuckey: can't help with that, just a good idea to verify iso's before doing anything with them
19:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 408] by debhelper
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19:07<dpkg>[udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>.
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19:08<LightKnight>!udev rules
19:08<dpkg>file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or read it online at
19:08<stuckey>gsimmons: how do I tell how many bytes something is exactly?
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19:08<ddilinger>not completely debian related, more LAMP, but: when moving a server from one domain/ip to another domain/ip what all should be considered configuration wise? obvious things like grepping the webroot for domain name references have been done and notes on changes needed for resolv.conf, but other issues to consider . . . ssh and such? isnt ssh host key tied to ip or something like that
19:08<ml|>LightKnight: /msg dpkg selftell
19:08<stuckey>gsimmons: I copied that directly from the iso.
19:08<LightKnight>ml|: oh, ok, thanks.
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19:11<gsimmons>stuckey: Now there's what you're done wrong, you need to supply hd-media initrd/vmlinuz files for a USB installer. Read chapters 4.3 and 4.2 of the amd64 Installation Guide again.
19:12<stuckey>gsimmons: -r--r--r-- 1 root root 12957kB Jan 31 22:34 initrd.gz
19:12<stuckey>gsimmons: No I haven't done anything wrong. I followed the install guide.
19:13<gsimmons>< stuckey> gsimmons: I copied that directly from the iso.
19:13<ml|>stuckey: take a break from this and read it all over again
19:13<stuckey>gsimmons: Oh, it needs different initrd/vmlinuz files.
19:14<stuckey>ml|: With documentation this poor one has to take breaks, many breaks.
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19:16<adb>!ops fellate
19:16<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: fellate
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19:17<ml|>stuckey: well, I can't say how good are bad that section is since I've never done a usb install myself; but take your time and ...
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19:18<stuckey>ml|: i've got the stuff from what I believe is the correct source now (can't know for sure though) so I guess I'll continue with trial and error.
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19:18<stuckey>Index of /debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
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19:34<hyperhacker>so, I just installed Sid on an i386 machine, and I have a question: how on Earth do I install drivers for a GeForce 6200?
19:34<hyperhacker>none of the methods I've found on Google have worked
19:35<adb>hyperhacker, how you installed Sid ?
19:35<hyperhacker>from the net install CD
19:36<tholmith>hyperhacker, that's not sid i suppose, atmost squeeze...
19:36<adb>it install sid now ?
19:36<hyperhacker>well it was squeeze, but I changed the sources.list
19:36<hyperhacker>I'm not really clear on the different versions
19:36<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
19:37<hyperhacker>so you can't help with it then?
19:37<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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19:38<adb>!tell hyperhacker -about selftell
19:38<hyperhacker>yeah I've tried the methods on that page, they all seem to depend on older kernel versions and packages that aren't available
19:39<hyperhacker>fortunately with screen I can try them right here to see exactly what goes wrong
19:40<adb>see bot message 'nvidia-installer' it will tell you how to build packages etc
19:41<LightKnight>Hello. udev issue: I'd like to auto-recreate a saner 70-persistent-cd.rules but if I run /lib/udev/write_cd_rules alone it says "Missing $DEVPATH." How can I do?
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19:41*adb stops here sid helps
19:41<tholmith>hyperhacker, and then
19:42<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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19:43<hyperhacker>well the first problem I see is it says to use m-a auto-install nvidia-${VERSION}-source, but the only package that looks at all like that is nvidia-kernel-source
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19:43<stuckey>What's the easiest way to get the latest nvidia drivers on stable?
19:43<adb>so install it
19:44<hyperhacker>it's installing
19:44<hyperhacker>this isn't the world's fastest connection (unfortunately)
19:44<sney>hyperhacker: if you actually read the whole article you would see an explanation of the ${VERSION} thing.
19:45<hyperhacker>yeah you're supposed to put `uname -r` in that variable
19:45<sney>stuckey: as in, the latest from nvidia?
19:45<hyperhacker>but there's no package that would match any version number there
19:45<stuckey>sney: my card is too new to use what is in stable now. I suppose I should try to get something from sid?
19:45<sney>hyperhacker: you can also do m-a a-i nvidia, module-assistant will figure out the rest for you
19:45<tholmith>hyperhacker, have you tried the thing? i've done that in sid 3 times. works liek a charm. not a single error.
19:46<hyperhacker>the thing?
19:46<tholmith>m-a auto-install nvidia-${VERSION}-source
19:46<sney>stuckey: maybe backports has something? you might have to upgrade to squeeze, or use the (unsupported) installer
19:47<hyperhacker>yes, that would expand to nvidia-2.6.32-trunk-686
19:47<stuckey>sney: nothing in backports for "nvidia"
19:47<hyperhacker>the only package that comes even near that is nvidia-kernel-source which is downloading now
19:47<tholmith>which is ok, cus you don't have 2.6.32-3-686 since the upgrade to sid is not yet finished.
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19:47<stuckey>People say don't use Sid, but if I can't have drivers lenny is no good to me.
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19:48<themill>stuckey: don't we go through this every month or two?
19:48<sney>stuckey: then use squeeze
19:48<stuckey>themill: yes
19:48<stuckey>sney: squeeze has the drivers?
19:49<sney>currently squeeze uses the same nvidia drivers as sid.
19:49<hyperhacker>should my sources.list have both sid and squeeze?
19:49<stuckey>okay I'll upgrade to squeeze and then follow the wiki.
19:49<adb>stuckey, your usb install worked now ?
19:49<sney>hyperhacker: only if you have a testing-unstable mix. /msg dpkg tum
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19:49<themill>dpkg: tell sney about nvidia squeeze
19:49<stuckey>adb: yes I'm using it now... and the new hard drive is very fast.
19:50<themill>sney: orly?
19:50<sney>themill: ... why are you telling me
19:50<themill>,versions nvidia-kernel-source
19:50<judd>nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-1
19:50<themill>sney: compare ^^ to [23:48] <sney> currently squeeze uses the same nvidia drivers as sid.
19:50<sney>themill: ok, correction: currently the only way to have working nvidia drivers in squeeze is to use the ones from sid.
19:50<sney>stuckey, too ^
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19:51<sney>but then you're running squeeze and benefit from having an OS that's unlikely to spontaneously break.
19:51<themill>sney: indeed.
19:51<stuckey>so why upgrade to squeeze at all then?
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19:51<sney>since the nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are not installable, I don't really believe they exist
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19:52<sney>stuckey: because mixing sid and testing is relatively ok, but mixing sid and stable is not.
19:52<stuckey>General principle... okay.
19:53<ml|>takes time for those nvidia drivers to make their way to testing
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19:53<themill>stuckey: one package being broken and needing to be cherry picked is a lot better than the entire distribution being broken in a way that you don't know how to fix
19:53<stuckey>Which filesystem offers the most space?
19:54<stuckey>themill: even if I don't know how to cherry pick?
19:54<hyperhacker>well I guess ext2 or FAT would give you slightly more space, but I don't think it'd be a noticeable difference
19:54<stuckey>I buy a 640gb drive, get like 560 gb
19:54<themill>stuckey: /msg dpkg tum. Haven't we had this conversation before?
19:55<hyperhacker>stuckey: that's because "640GB" = 640 billion bytes
19:55<hyperhacker>whereas any software will tell you 640GB = 640*(1024^3) bytes
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19:56<ml|>hyperhacker: if you moved to sid, there is no need to have testing in sources.list, it will just slow down the updates
19:56<adb> 560 *(1024^ = 640
19:56<stuckey>hyperhacker: shouldn't move to sid
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19:57<hyperhacker>"the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use"
19:57*tholmith wonders what is the problem with people 'fighting' about some proprietary software. the guide is easy to read. write a few commands and is working.
19:58<tholmith>hyperhacker, i belive that your system not ok at all...
19:58<hyperhacker>and that message seems to be stuck there O.o
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19:58<stuckey>Current status: 33 broken [+33], 306 updates [-128]. <--- is it okay when aptitude says that?
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19:59<sney>stuckey: what procedure are you following to upgrade to squeeze?
19:59<stuckey>sney: change sources.list - update - upgrade
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19:59<hyperhacker>I just installed this system an hour ago so I don't see what I could have done to break it
19:59<stuckey>hyperhacker: sid?
19:59<ml|>hyperhacker: are you using the new kernel/reboot after moving to sid?
20:00<sney>stuckey: then aptitude will figure itself out. you should also do 'aptitude install aptitude' along the way so it doesn't accidentally remove itself.
20:00<hyperhacker>hm I don't believe I did reboot... let's try that
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20:00<sney>hyperhacker: sid is broken a lot of the time by default. it's an experimental testing ground for new packages. this is why you shouldn't use it... sigh
20:01<ml|>some like the adventure ;)
20:01<stuckey>sney: when I do aptitude install aptitude it tells me a bunch of packages are broken
20:01<sney>stuckey: just keep going with the upgradde
20:01<sney>and make sure you do a safe upgrade then a full upgrade
20:01<stuckey>sney: so aptitude install aptitude ... then aptitude upgrade until it doesn't say stuff is broken anymore?
20:02<sney>aptitude safe-upgrade and then aptitude full-upgrade
20:02<stuckey>so no "aptitude install aptitude"
20:02<stuckey>I've already done "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"
20:02<sney>so you just did your own thing with no question about whether it would break your system
20:02<sney>!win stuckey
20:02<dpkg>Congratulations, stuckey! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
20:03<stuckey>sney: I thought that was the right way to do it? No?
20:03<ml|>stuckey: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
20:03<stuckey>Did I break it?
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20:03<sney>probably, but it may be recoverable. follow dpkg's instructions.
20:04<stuckey>I could just change out my install image to the latest squeeze image...
20:04<stuckey>and reinstall
20:04<sney>you could do that.
20:05<adb>stuckey, keep up , weekend is looong
20:05<stuckey>First I need to see if I can boot with the new hard drive if the old hard drive is attached...
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20:06<themill>stuckey: I'm sure the people who spent hours telling you in words of one syllable how to put the install image on the usb stick over on freenode will be thrilled to know that this is your new plan.
20:06<hyperhacker>OK I rebooted and tried the auto-install again... this time I was able to clear the message and another came up
20:06<ml|>using testing image might give you problems; better to install lenny then move to testing
20:06<hyperhacker>it says I need to install linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686, but that package is not available
20:06<themill>hyperhacker: that means you're still not running the current kernel in sid. Why are you even trying to run sid again?
20:07<stuckey>themill: Yes, USB install = scaleable
20:07<hyperhacker>because I want up-to-date software
20:07<hyperhacker>I don't know *why* it wouldn't be running the current kernel
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20:07<ml|>hyperhacker: did you select new kernel at boot? what themill said
20:07<hyperhacker>unless by current you mean latest stable and this one is too new
20:08<hyperhacker>I selected 2.6.32-trunk-686 at boot; the only other is 2.6.32-3-686
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20:08<ml|>judd: kernels --release sid
20:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10)
20:09<adb>hyperhacker, and which one is newer ?
20:09<hyperhacker>I wouldn't know, unless you mean the file timestamp
20:10<adb>hyperhacker, so why you run sid ?
20:10<hyperhacker>because I want up-to-date software
20:10<hyperhacker>is this a joke?
20:11<adb>sid is not for beginner as you
20:11<hyperhacker>so I need to be an expert on Debian kernel version names to have up-to-date software?
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20:12<tholmith>hyperhacker, can you please just install linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 and then reboot?
20:12<themill>hyperhacker: sid is by definition broken and the person running needs to know enough about debian to fix it. So, yes.
20:12<adb>!tell hyperhacker -about sns
20:13<ml|>you are missing the point; didn't you read what the channel told stuckey before?
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20:13<hyperhacker>I wasn't paying attention to that, no
20:13<hyperhacker>but I'll reboot into that version
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20:14<ml|>will still be the wrong kernel
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20:15<ml|>anyways isn't sid support here ot?
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20:16<stuckey>After restart I can't use keyboard or mouse on the GDM screen.
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20:17<hyperhacker>OK now I'm in 2.6.32-3, m-a is downloading the headers for that
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20:20<stuckey>After installing to my new hard drive I can no longer boot from my old one. I need to get some files off of it at least. It isn't showing up in fdisk -l.
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20:21<tholmith>hyperhacker, please forgive my stupidness. it seems that now there is a 2.6.32-4 kernel. if all good, you should also install that one too, then eventually remove trunk and 3 one...
20:22<tholmith>i'll do this myself too, in a moment...
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20:23<adb>tholmith, in a week , will be -5 , and so on ..
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20:24<themill>one hopes not.
20:24<hyperhacker>OK now it looks like it's getting somewhere
20:25<stuckey>themill: how do I access a hard disk that isn't showing up in fdisk -l?
20:25<hyperhacker>is there no way to have the latest versions of non-critical software, but only tested stable versions of important things like the kernel and X?
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20:25<stuckey>sney: Is it possible that I broke something such that my keyboard and mouse no longer work in X by upgrading the way I did?
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20:26<tholmith>adb, ya, perhaps, but i just told him to install 3 withouth checking first, and withouth reading previous things ppl said before.
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20:26<adb>tholmith, he has it , but he even didn't know what it is , so don't help a newcommer
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20:27<hyperhacker>oh I didn't see that message somehow... I'll do that if I get it even working with this one
20:27<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
20:27<adb>hyperhacker, ^^
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20:27<hyperhacker>yes I saw that the first time
20:27<adb>ok, nice ..
20:27<hyperhacker>time to reboot again and see what X does now
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20:28<stuckey>Would someone please tell me how I can mount the second hard drive in my computer?
20:29<tholmith>adb, beside the fact that new things are cool, there is also a better reason to use sid atm: aes-xts encryption
20:29<stuckey>I changed hard drives, and now I have my root file system on the new one, but there are files that I must copy over.
20:30<tholmith>stuckey, are the ribons in their places? are the jumpers, if any, in their places? can you see the second drive from the bios settings?
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20:31<stuckey>tholmith: it is spinning...
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20:32<tholmith>stuckey, that's not enough sometimes. duble check ribons, jumpers and if the bios is seeing the drive.
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20:37<stuckey>tholmith: you were right -- thanks
20:37<stuckey>Now can you tell me how I can mount it and read files from it? It's an LVM.
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20:38<tholmith>lvchange -ay volume_name
20:39<tholmith>actually no.
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20:39<hyperhacker>hey look at that, it worked
20:40<hyperhacker>thanks everyone
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20:40<tholmith>stuckey, lvchange -ay group_name
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20:41<stuckey>tholmith: that's after I mount the device?
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20:41<tholmith>before you can mount anything on it
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20:41<stuckey>tholmith: I'm on the new hard drive and the old one is just plugged in.
20:41<tholmith>is lvm2 installed?
20:41<stuckey>tholmith: so I just run "lvchange -ay group_name"
20:41<stuckey>tholmith: not sure
20:42<tholmith>aptitude install lvm2
20:42<stuckey>I'll have to log off and try this since I'm in recovery mode.
20:42<tholmith>you can do this in recovery mode too
20:43<stuckey>I mean log off irc before I can try it
20:43<stuckey>Or is there a way to pull up two terminals?
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20:43<ml|>hyperhacker: you should aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade and if needed full-upgrade; boot into newer kernel and redo that nvidia stuff for new kernel
20:43<tholmith>stuckey, ctrl+alt+f2
20:43<stuckey>tholmith: in recovery mode that only gives you a blinking cursor
20:43<stuckey>at least here it does
20:44<hyperhacker>alright I'll try that in a moment, thanks
20:44<tholmith>erm, ok, i might be wrong... i usually am wrong. lol
20:44<stuckey>So I'll log out of irc and try what you said -- and that will be enough to mount the systems?
20:45<ml|>hyperhacker: you can also remove/purge the trunk kernel and any older kernels; just keep -3 and -4
20:45<hyperhacker>stuckey, install screen, read how to use it
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20:45<hyperhacker>it's a lifesaver when you only have one terminal, or for SSH :-p
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20:45<stuckey>hyperhacker: I just need to get one file off the old hard drive and then I'll be able to go to sleep.
20:46<ml|>yes, screen is great :)
20:46<hyperhacker>yeah if I had a nickel for every time I said that
20:46<stuckey>ml|: you know lvm right? What do I have to do to get a file off a hard drive with lvm on it?
20:46<hyperhacker>"just need to do one more thing and then I'll be able to sleep"
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20:46<hyperhacker>...six hours later...
20:46<stuckey>It's connected and I can see it with fdisk -l
20:46<tholmith>stuckey, actually will not be enough.
20:46<ml|>stuckey: can't help, never used lvm
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20:47<stuckey>i'm trying to limit the amount of times I have to come back to irc and wait for someone for someone to respond
20:47<tholmith>stuckey, can you reboot as usual?
20:47<stuckey>tholmith: yes
20:47<tholmith>i'll hel you with this.
20:47<stuckey>okay thanks
20:47<stuckey>Should I install screen and come back?
20:48<tholmith>reboot so that you can get 2 terminals...
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20:50*tholmith feels a bit odd for making noise trying to help with sid, especially 'cus people don't really like this...
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20:51<tholmith>alright, stuckey, aptitude update && apttude install lvm2
20:51<stuckey>tholmith: Unless you know how to disable gdm I don't know how to get two terminals going. The install is hosed (since I didn't upgrade to squeeze properly) and I can't install screen.
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20:52<stuckey>tholmith: I can't go into regular mode, only recovery mode.
20:52<ml|>stuckey: why not reinstall lenny and move to testing the right way before doing anyhting else?
20:52<stuckey>Alright that's what I'll do. This won't take long :)
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20:54<tholmith>ml|, if he needs squeeze, why not install squeeze?
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20:54<ml|>the testing installer can have bugs; make things difficult, better to just use stable installer
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21:00<sisk>Anyone know a good program for burning audio cds from MP3 or OGG files? This will be used by people whose computer skills leave a bit to be desired so I need either a GUI or a CLI program I can write a script for.
21:00<eightyeight>sisk: you want to convert mp3 to vorbis?
21:00<eightyeight>sisk: or you want to convert lossless audio to vorbis?
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21:01<sisk>I have Audacity projects created from sermons that I want to get onto audio cds. They've been running Audacity for a while and exporting the files as OGGs to save disk space, but now they finally have a computer with a CD burner and want to put them on CDs.
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21:02<stuckey>Okay, I've got lenny with multiple terminals
21:02<eightyeight>sisk: so, you want to make an audio cd from ogg vorbis files?
21:02<ml|>stuckey: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze or get the data off first
21:02<stuckey>ml|: data -> sleep
21:03<pegaso>Hi! I tried to manually install a program (wine) and now I can't do anything with aptitude, synaptic,....
21:03<pegaso>they keep complaining about wine and don't let me do anything! :(
21:03<adb>remove wine
21:03<ml|>stuckey: heh ok, but follow dpkg this time :)
21:03<sisk>eightyeight: Yeah. Preferably in one step, but if need be I'm capable of writing a script to running CLI programs in the background.
21:03<pegaso>that's exactly the problem
21:04<pegaso>how? should I manually remove /var/lib/wine etc.
21:04<eightyeight>sisk: cli? cdrecord is what you want (wodim, specifically)
21:04<eightyeight>sisk: if using the gui, there are a lot of utilities
21:04<pegaso>I don't think aptitude looks there..
21:04<sisk>It'll do the transcoding on it's own? That'll be handy.
21:05<stuckey>thalunil: You there?
21:05<sisk>eightyeight: I'll take a look at that. Thanks.
21:05<pegaso>I'd like to be able to erase wine from some file where aptitude reads into..
21:05<eightyeight>sisk: np
21:05<tholmith>stuckey, ?
21:05<stuckey>tholmith: Hey. I've got the two terminals now
21:06<pegaso>I did the stupd thing of not installing wine with a package
21:06<adb>pegaso, 'your' wine must come whit an uninstall command too ..
21:06<pegaso>but, out of frustration, I manually copied everything
21:06<pegaso>from a package I built with alien
21:06<ml|>pegaso: just undo whatever you did
21:06<tholmith>stuckey, aptitude install lvm2
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21:07<stuckey>tholmith: done
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21:07<pegaso>I can't remember all the files I copied in /lib, etc
21:07<tholmith>stuckey, and what it said? something about reading volumes?
21:07<stuckey>tholmith: yes
21:07<pegaso>BTW.. you think that apt looks manually everytime to check what is installed?
21:07<pegaso>instead of having a database?
21:08<ml|>pegaso: only if you installed from repos or a .deb
21:08<tholmith>stuckey, pastebin the output of ls -al /dev/mapper
21:08<pegaso>so you say he's so clever to understand a manual install?
21:08<stuckey>tholmith: eh, I'm on the command line
21:09<ml|>pegaso: no, read again
21:09<stuckey>tholmith: but that command gives me "control"
21:09<tholmith>stuckey, and that's it?
21:10<stuckey>tholmith: I don't know?
21:10<tholmith>stuckey, have you rebooted after installing lvm2?
21:10<stuckey>tholmith: not yet--I have to reboot?
21:10<stuckey>I think my lvm was called "debian-root" -- at least that's what I would see when I did "df . -h"
21:10<glauco>help me install IE7 on wine?
21:11<adb>glauco, NO
21:11<glauco>oohh tanks
21:11<ml|>pegaso: so you have undo whatever you did, aptitude won't work on manual installs from source etc...
21:11<tholmith>stuckey, fdisk -ll
21:11<stuckey>tholmith: need to reboot, moment
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21:16<stuckey>tholmith: Okay, I've got it in fdisk now. I'll paste
21:17<tholmith>stuckey, one line at a time. :)
21:18<stuckey>tholmith: it's the 640gb drive
21:19<tholmith>stuckey, give me a moment please. i have to remember the command...
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21:19<tholmith>stuckey, we don't know yet the name of the volume group, and that is what we need...
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21:20<tholmith>stuckey, pvdisplay
21:21<stuckey>as root?
21:22<tholmith>stuckey, lvchange -ay debian
21:22<stuckey>tholmith: okay
21:22<tholmith>stuckey, ls -al /dev/mapper
21:23<tholmith>vgdisplay and lvdisplay would be ok too but that will be too much to paste. lol
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21:26<stuckey>tholmith: okay
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21:27<tholmith>stuckey, mkdir /mnt/oldlvm && mkdir /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot && mount /dev/mapper/debian-root /mnt/oldlvm/oldroot && mkdir /mnt/oldlvm/oldsid && mount /dev/mapper/debian-sid /mnt/oldlvm/oldsid
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21:28<adb>glauco, don't do that here , please
21:28<tholmith>stuckey, i suppose debian-swap_1 was just swap
21:28<glauco>adb, you love me ?
21:28<stuckey>tholmith: yes
21:28<stuckey>tholmith: file is now here
21:29<stuckey>tholmith: what was the difference bweteen oldsid and oldroot?
21:29<tholmith>stuckey, paste the output of mount && df -h
21:29<glauco>adb, has some bias to me?
21:30<adb>no, but don't do that here
21:30<sney>glauco: this is a support channel, if you want to hang out go to #debian-offtopic
21:31<glauco>sney, So help me with IE7, I need it pra access email. firefox does not work.
21:31<sney>glauco: this is not a windows support channel.
21:31<tholmith>stuckey, i suppose the oldsid was a test or something?
21:32<glauco>sney, on WINE debian leny SID.
21:32*tholmith lol
21:32<stuckey>tholmith: I need to format this drive to get the maximum storage space possible.
21:32<stuckey>tholmith: Thanks for the help.
21:32<tholmith>stuckey, just move your data before you do anything else...
21:33<stuckey>i'm making a hard copy :)
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21:38<Blackbinary>Hi all, i'd like some help. I've got a new radeon video card, for notebooks (an Ati Mobility Radeon 5470). The graphics card isnt supported yet officially by ATI.
21:39<Blackbinary>However, using their 10.2 drivers, on Ubuntu, i could install from their source and get it to work. However it does not work at all on Debian.
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21:39<Blackbinary>However, they are releasing new drivers with support on Wednesday, I was wondering what the turn-around time is for the driver to be in debian repos?
21:39<glauco>Blackbinary, Can you help with this.
21:40<Blackbinary>glauco, i just joined, help with what?
21:41<glauco>Blackbinary, dmesg > log.txt
21:41<glauco>send to pastebin
21:41<Blackbinary>sorry, im not on debian currently.
21:41<Blackbinary>where is the log.txt stored?
21:42<glauco>Blackbinary, within the current directory.
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21:42<Blackbinary>would it be within the same directory as the ati .run file?
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22:19<Silicium01>Does this make any sense?
22:19<Silicium01>rsync -avh / /media/disk/backup/
22:19<Silicium01>can I back up everything like this?
22:19<adb>yes, but usually have to exclude /dev/ /proc/
22:20<Silicium01>adb, may i ask why?
22:20<adb>/dev/ /proc/ is build at boot
22:20<dpkg>i heard backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ...
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22:24<jerryclunsford>I am trying to get bastille firewall to work with debian Lenny 5.0 I get the error that DB5.0 is not supported.
22:24<Silicium01>adb, what would happen say if I didnt exclude them?
22:25<adb>Silicium01, usually have to backup only /home /srv , or a /data if you have 'data' , the rest is only system data , so not needed to be backup
22:25<jerryclunsford>By the way that is Lenny 5.0 AMD 64
22:25<Silicium01>adb, so backing up my home directory is enough?
22:26<Silicium01>I thought I'd be safe and just back up all
22:26<Silicium01>I just wnt to have a copy of this drive inc ase it fails
22:26<adb>Silicium01, see for example /proc is a moving things , so can't be backed
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22:27<adb>Silicium01, nah , drive comes with kernel , and new kernels come all time
22:28<Silicium01>adb, ok, thanks for advice. Just one question:
22:28<Silicium01>is it OK if external drive is formated as ntfs?
22:28<adb>Silicium01, so yes if all your personal data are in /home backup only it
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22:29<adb>Silicium01, so ? modprobe ntfs-3g , and you may read/write to external drive ...
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22:30<adb>all kernel mau have by now ntfs-3g module
22:30<adb>s/ mau /may
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22:31<bcw>is it a bad idea to "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=1M" if sdc is a new, NTFS-formatted drive that I plan to re-partition with GNU parted?
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22:33<bcw>(it's a "Seagate FreeAgent Go" only-officially-supported-on-Windows drive btw)
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22:34<adb>bcw, you afraid of viruses left back by $win ?
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22:35<bcw>adb, if one can call their proprietary software a "virus".. :D but seriously, no, not really, i've just never used dd before and want to try it, but was told to be careful when using it
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22:36<adb>bs=1 nm 1nm= one nano meter ;-)
22:37<adb>bcw, how much is the hard ?
22:38<bcw>cost? about $150.
22:38<adb>nah , GB
22:38<bcw>500 GB
22:38<adb>try bs=10M
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22:39<bcw>ok. but parted will be able to work with it after i zero fill it, right?
22:39<adb>zerroed take long , and longer if bs= is little
22:40<bcw>k, thanks :)
22:40<adb>bcw, which parted ? from installer ?
22:40<bcw>yes, debian lenny's version
22:40<adb>so ok
22:41<bcw>(er, not from debian-installer, just the normal repo software)
22:42<adb>should be ok too
22:42<bcw>ok, thanks again
22:43<bcw>and have a good night/day/whatever
22:43<adb>heh ok
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22:43<jerryclunsford>how can I get bastille to work with debian Lenny amd64 I get an error DB5.0 not supported error.
22:44<jerryclunsford>is there some where more appropriate to ask I didn't see a fire wall channel
22:45<gsimmons>jerryclunsford: See Debian bug #510884. Consider backporting the version in testing (/msg dpkg ssb) or read the Securing Debian Manual instead.
22:45<jerryclunsford>thank you
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22:46<floppyg>anyone know about wireless networks/
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22:47<floppyg>i know i need the b43 wireless driver dut how di i make it work?
22:47<gsimmons>dpkg: tell floppyg -about b43
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23:55<AIntel>New to Linux: I try to install a package I downloaded, this is the command dpkg -i /root/Desktop/BitchX-1.1-final-linux.tar, but it says "no such file or directory".
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23:56<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. Irssi users can ask me about <bitchxignore>.
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23:57<kop>AIntel: Tar files are not packages, so you can't install with dpkg.
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23:57<dpkg>BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. Irssi users can ask me about <bitchxignore>.
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23:57<bja>damn lag
23:58<AIntel>kop: Okay. I'm just trying to get some irc client running. I'll get irssi (?). How can I install it after download?
23:59<kop>AIntel: And, as a new debian user you should be getting _all_ your packages from the official or semi-offical debian package repositories. To do otherwise is to ignore major benefits of using a Linux distro rather than rolling your own. Expect your system to turn to muck unless you know what you're doing.
23:59<kop>AIntel: You use aptitude or synaptic or some other apt-based install program and it just installs and works.
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23:59<kop>AIntel: e.g. "aptitude install irssi"
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