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00:35<captain>hi everyone
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00:37<captain>does anyone here know where to find the previous version of a debian package in testing after a newer version comes out?
00:37<captain>they seem to be wiped from the mirrors
00:37<captain>surely they're kept somewhere...
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00:38<sney>your system will keep them in /var/cache/apt/archives usually, unless you've been running apt-get clean
00:38<sney>but generally the mirrors don't keep older versions, they have enough space constraints as it is
00:38<captain>i thought so too... but they're not in there :( ... must be some cron job cleaning up old stuff in there periodically
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00:40<captain>hmm... sney, are they kept *somewhere*? some dusty archive server somewhere with a dialup connection? lol
00:41<gsimmons>dpkg: tell captain -about sdo
00:41<sney>oh, learn something new every day. thanks gsimmons.
00:43<captain>wowie! :) there it is! :)
00:43<captain>gsimmons, i'm assuming simmons is your last name, and your first name starts with a g, right?
00:44<sney>captain: of course, if you were having some kind of issue with a new version of a package in squeeze, you should also file a bug report if one does not already exist.
00:44<captain>greg? geoff?... i need to know, cause i'm about to name my first born after you :P
00:45<captain>sney, i'm not sure i'll call it an "issue", per se... drupal 6 and php 5.3 aren't quite fully compatible with one another yet...
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00:46<captain>i'm guessing it'd be one of those things filed under "you're running testing ... go cry about it" :P
00:46<captain>gsimmons, i was kidding about the name thing, don't worry... hehe. jokes aside, thanks a lot!! :)
00:47<captain>and sney, thank you for the suggestion too
00:47<captain>wish me luck guys
00:47<captain>i hope this doesn't throw me into dependency hell :-/
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00:57<matu>oops sorry
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00:58<captain>lol wtf?
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01:03<captain>wow... the word awesome doesn't even begin to describe that snapshot site...
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01:09<captain>k bye all
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01:15<uboat>I'm using gnome, how can I change the fonts of GDM?
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01:15<Guest1708>where r those conf files? I tried some in /etc/fonts/.... but it did not work
01:18<AIntel>Question: To play a file, is this command right? mplayer /mplayer /home/user/desktop/taken.avi
01:18<franki^>AIntel: Yes
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01:34<franki^>AIntel: Heh, I misread, uhh, no, just "mplayer /path/to/file" will do it :P
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01:49<AIntel>Question: Whats the command to get DivX?
01:50<derric>In your file associations you could set *.avi to be opened with mplayer
01:50<AIntel>derric: How?
01:51<derric>Good question, let's see if we can figure it out...
01:51<derric>you have a file explorer right?
01:51<adb>right click, 'open with ...'
01:51<derric>Yep, that's it.
01:52<derric>Then select /usr/bin/mplayer or /usr/local/bin/mplayer
01:52<derric>Where ever it happens to be
01:53<derric>I gotta go sleepy...
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01:53<AIntel>It gave me the option to open with mplayer. But when I selected it it gave me a Fatal error!, Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
01:55<AIntel>Oh. I clicked ókay, and sound is playing. no video.
01:56<AIntel>Okay. Iĺl deal with it tomorrow. Good night.
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02:00<adb>AntIntel, right click on mplayer window,> Preferences> Video , and chose xv > click OK
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02:30<dav>does xserver-xorg-video-intel should support Intel Corporation Mobile GME965/GLE960 Integrated Graphics Controller including 3D acceleration?
02:30<dav>*sorry for bad grammer
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03:31<multiverse72>hi guys, how do I get intel's equivalent of nvidia-settings? my screen is burning my eyes...
03:32<dav>multiverse72, probably you should check nvidia wiki for debian
03:34<multiverse72>dav, I want to change my screen contrast. I'm using an intel gma.. netbook btw.
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03:34<dav>contrasts usually can be changed through function keys
03:35<GhostlyDeath>My debian squeeze system has 419 ssh-agents running, is there any purpose for this?
03:35<GhostlyDeath>and rising
03:35<GhostlyDeath>in fact
03:35<GhostlyDeath>ssh-agent is leaking processes
03:35<GhostlyDeath>a few seconds later a few more pop up
03:35<multiverse72>mine doesn't have one, just brightness. :(
03:36<GhostlyDeath>Right now 1040 or so processes are running
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03:41<GhostlyDeath>stevendrone:/home/steven# pidof ssh-agent | wc 1 423 2326
03:41<GhostlyDeath>how bad it is
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03:41<gdb>What's the parent process?
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03:43<GhostlyDeath>gdb: init
03:43<GhostlyDeath>takes a few minutes to do a pstree
03:45<gorthaug>hi, i've a problem with compiz in debian squeeze (amd64), i'm trying to enable the plugin "switch app ring" and y get this in the terminal console, same with "Animation" and others plugins.. can anybody help me?
03:47<GhostlyDeath>gdb: I only noticed this when I recently installed munin
03:47<GhostlyDeath>whiched showed the abnormally high and growing process count
03:47<GhostlyDeath>should be at around 250 but was instead at 1060
03:49<GhostlyDeath>tons of sshg-agents became zombies and such
03:49<GhostlyDeath>Of all the ssh-agents, half were zombies
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03:51<multiverse72>found it! it doesn't change the screen contrast, but xgamma makes it less eye-straining.
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04:08<Nick->hey, i keep getting this error sky2 eth0 :tx timeout <- wondering if there was a fix to it?
04:08<azeem_>Nick-: cable/wiring issue maybe?
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04:08<gdb>GhostlyDeath: Your issue is ironic considering what Munin is for. ,-)
04:09<gdb>Munin is a networked resource monitoring tool that can help analyze resource trends and "what just happened to kill our performance?" problems.
04:09<Nick->tryed, differnt cables..
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04:21<chiku>is squeeze already frozen ?
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04:28<overddose>how can i open or run something with the extension .run?
04:29<amitz>overddose: makes it executable. run using what? bash? sh?
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04:30<amitz>on those, without editing, type ./<>
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04:31<overddose>tried, says permission denied...
04:31<overddose>as root.
04:32<Nemoder>chmod a+x; ./
04:32<captain>overddose, you spelled your name wrong ;)... i guess it comes with the overdose :P
04:33<overddose>nemoder, that did it, thanks
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04:58<bmwmunda>hi all
05:00<bmwmunda>im running debian lenny 2.6.26-2-686 for server is this a old lenny system
05:01<petemc>nor not necessarily
05:01<weasel>bmwmunda: what does uname -a show?
05:01<overddose>what is the latest version of x11?
05:02<bmwmunda>my probelm is im thinking if i went with newer distro maybe my drivers for serial port with load automatically
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05:02<k-man>im having trouble getting my radeon card to do tv-out
05:02<weasel>bmwmunda: you know which modules you need, and they work?
05:02<weasel>bmwmunda: if so, just add them to /etc/modules
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05:03<bmwmunda>i dont no
05:04<overddose>i just installed this framework, and anything i try to run from it returns that it cant execute it, i had to install it by chmod a-x
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05:04<bmwmunda>what does the 686 stand for
05:04<k-man>at boot time, it correctly mirrors the normal monitor output, but after startx, it fails to show anything, and the monitor also fails, with "out of range"
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05:04<k-man>when i startx, i get this message: Unhandled monitor type 0
05:05<bmwmunda>what is the latest linux from lenny for pentium 4 chip
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05:06<overddose>bmwmunda: 5.0 lenny
05:06<overddose>or 5.0.4
05:07<bmwmunda>were can one download it
05:07<bmwmunda>will it work same as this one for server headless
05:07<bmwmunda>on pentium 4 intel chip
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05:09<bmwmunda>were can i get it to try and see if my driver will load up on install
05:09<overddose>go and install the kernel
05:10<overddose>if you added the repository, you can install the kernel through apt
05:10<bmwmunda>first step is what
05:11<overddose>find the exact kernel version you want
05:13<bmwmunda>what u mean by exact are diff one made for diff needs
05:13<weasel>what do you mean with "my driver" anyway
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05:14<overddose>weasel, what is the most current stable kernel for 686?
05:14<weasel>overddose: that's an easy one.
05:14<weasel>"it depends"
05:15<bmwmunda>ok my problem is i have a add on card 4 port serial comport the manufature stated it works on linux and will load auto but it does not
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05:16<weasel>on lenny, 2.6.26-something, in testing and sid 2.6.32, from linus,, .31.12, .32.10, .33.1
05:16<bmwmunda>so im thinking maybe try another stable kernel thats is more current
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05:16<weasel>bmwmunda: what makes you think it does not 'auto-load'?
05:16<overddose>i have the most stable lenny
05:16<weasel>bmwmunda: what do you expect to see and what do you see?
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05:16<bmwmunda>it does not show tty0 ports
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05:17<weasel>tty0 is not what you are looking for.
05:17<overddose>yeah, i was gonna say...
05:17<bmwmunda>was 2.6.2-2-686 maade for intel chips only
05:18<weasel>ls /dev/ttyS*
05:18<bmwmunda>sorry dam board ebrything else works fin on this machine but this dam baord
05:18<valdyn>!which driver
05:18<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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05:20<overddose>ugh, i cant figure out why this wont let me run this console
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05:22<overddose>what can i do if the terminal shortcut is trying to open the wrong file?
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05:22<overddose>its opening a ruby shell instead of the console like i need it to.
05:22<kijkdus>:? kernel msg: b1 on nmi - does anybody know ?
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05:23<bmwmunda>dev/ttyS0 dev/ttyS1 dev/ttyS2 dev/ttyS3
05:24<overddose>its showing up fine...
05:24<kijkdus>this :
05:24<kijkdus>[ 0.195420] Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason b1 on CPU 0.
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05:25<k-man>how do i tell if i'm using the free radeon driver for xorg?
05:26<bmwmunda>no u see i have 2 on the mother board they show up my add on serial comport board has 4 ports
05:27<bmwmunda>so total should be 6
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05:28<kijkdus>bmwmunda: not replacing existing serial ports - check irq/adr
05:28<malaphus>Im installing debian on my macbook
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05:29<malaphus>I told it to use the MBR, apparantly that was the wrong choice
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05:29<malaphus>So how can I get this thing to boot to grub?
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05:30<cesurasean>can someone explain what this means to me? - # Syslog facility to use if you're logging to syslog.
05:30<kijkdus>logging to systems logging
05:30<overddose>well you have to set your partitions under grub, then make grub the primary boot menu.
05:30<cesurasean>#syslog_facility = mail
05:30<cesurasean>what does this do exactly?
05:30<kijkdus>/var/log/mail ?
05:31<malaphus>I set my partitions under grub
05:31<bmwmunda>anyways i will go at it again tomrrow to tired goog nite all and thanks for the help
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05:31<malaphus>when the macbook rebooted, it says "No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key"
05:31<kijkdus>can you enter bios?
05:31<malaphus>mac has no bios
05:32<overddose>i thought macs had a bios...
05:32<malaphus>they use to
05:32<overddose>they should.
05:32<malaphus>but now they dont
05:32<malaphus>nah, macs use EFI
05:32<overddose>fuck that efi stuff.
05:32<malaphus>there is no bios
05:32<overddose>pointless and annoying.
05:32<overddose>are you trying to dual boot?
05:33<overddose>try fixmbr
05:33<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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05:34<ml|>cesurasean: man syslog
05:35<overddose>damn you...
05:35<malaphus>ok so
05:35<malaphus>im booting to rescue mode
05:35<cesurasean>i can connect to dovecot through my client, and through squirrelmail, but it doesn't seem i have any new mail. here is my syslog of the email program, but nothing seems wrong. where are my emails going?! -
05:36<overddose>cesurasean: is there a refresh rate on those clients?
05:36<cesurasean>overddose, what do you mean by refresh rate on the clients? no?
05:36<malaphus>I cant rememmber which device was root
05:36<malaphus>I used guided partitioned
05:37<malaphus>seperate everything
05:37<malaphus>what number would root be?
05:37<malaphus>sda1, sda2, sda3, sda4, sda5, sda6
05:38<overddose>i would try that
05:38<overddose>is this on a macbook?
05:38<cesurasean>can somebody PLEASE help me fix this dovecot. ive had it working before, and im not sure what the problem is now....
05:38<malaphus>ok, im at a prompt
05:38<overddose>cesurasean: what did you change?
05:38<malaphus>so what do I do?
05:39<overddose>mount your root device
05:39<cesurasean>who knows!
05:39<cesurasean>how do i troubleshoot this?
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05:39<overddose>you can always reinstall the package...
05:39<cesurasean>overddose, ive done that already.
05:40<overddose>gone through any major network changes lately?
05:40<overddose>or restart your modem or router or gateway...
05:40<overddose>certain pop settings get reset like that
05:40<cesurasean>Sorry, I couldn't find any host named server. (#5.1.2)
05:40<cesurasean>im getting this response back from the server. how do i fix this?
05:41<overddose>host named server...
05:41<malaphus>where do I install grub on an EFI system?
05:41<overddose>check where your server is being put in
05:41<cesurasean>vi /etc/mailname has to be the same as /etc/hostname?
05:41<cesurasean>overddose, shut up. you are not helping me one bit, dude.
05:41<cesurasean>quit wasting people's time.
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05:42<overddose>malaphus, efi still has an mbr, but im not sure where it would go, never really done anything with a macbook yet
05:42<overddose>although i have one laying around here somewhere...
05:43<kijkdus>host named server - provides names: dns
05:43<kijkdus>dns server (afaik)
05:43<ml|>malaphus: have looked at the wiki? if not /msg dpkg macbook
05:45<overddose>malaphus, do you know where the original efi mbr was located specifically?
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05:45<cesurasean>yay all fixed
05:46<malaphus>how can I ftp from rescue prompt
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05:46<overddose>cant, afaik
05:46<overddose>welcome ruben :3
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05:46<ruben>there is any spanish here???
05:47<overddose>ruben: no
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05:47<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
05:48<malaphus>overddose: you can, wtf
05:48<malaphus>why are you telling me things that are not true, lol
05:48<overddose>well, i mean...there is, but there will be much more help in that section than here.
05:49<kijkdus>EFI/Wiki - no MBR on EFI systems ?
05:49<malaphus>when somebody asks a question and you reply with an answer, people expect that answer to be truth, you are just spouting out random things
05:52<overddose>malaphus: what firmware update does your efi have?
05:53<malaphus>how would I determine that
05:53<overddose>hold Command-Option-P-R for 2 chimes.
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05:56<malaphus>anybody else know?
05:57<skynorton>malaphus: whats your problem?
05:57<ml|>malaphus: did you read what I suggested?
05:57<malaphus>I have a macbook pro, intel
05:57<malaphus>I want to boot debian
05:57<malaphus>ml|: no sorry, can you repeat?
05:57<skynorton>did you try refit?
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05:58<malaphus>how can I install refit with no OS?
05:58<malaphus>rescue mode?
05:58<ml|>dpkg: tell malaphus about macbook
05:58<skynorton>do you have osx on it atm?
05:58<ml|>dpkg: tell malaphus about macbookpro
05:58<skynorton>its partitioned right?
05:59<skynorton>this might help actually,
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05:59<ml|>malaphus: read the messages dpkg sent you
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05:59<skynorton>macbooks have an efi right?
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06:00<skynorton>which means it uses gpt as a mac mbr
06:00<skynorton>do you want to use grub?
06:00<malaphus>so I need to repartition and make room for an efi partition/
06:01<skynorton>you have to go through and make a mbr/gpt hybrid from refit or gptsync :/
06:01<skynorton>the information is in that link up there ^^
06:01*kijkdus will *sigh off* - thanks and goodbye
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06:10<Hakk1tus_>i have tried with nx and vnc to get remote desktop to work but with out any of luck
06:12<ttg_>Hakk1tus_ use ssh
06:12<Hakk1tus_>can it be possible that gnome could be corrupted somehow and thats why if i connect remotely it won't let me usa any dropdown menus on quick launch icons
06:14<ml|>Hakk1tus_: did you try removing the config file for nx and starting over?
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06:15<Hakk1tus_>i also tried with vnc
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06:16<Hakk1tus_>but that do exact same what nx do so problem is not vnc or nx
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06:17<ml|>try to remember what you did differently this time or what you did before when it was working
06:19<malaphus>im at the stage where I partition mac, I see no "UNIX Filesystem" option in the dropdownm
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06:24<goor>here is goor
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06:25<Hakk1tus_>that was different distro last time and hardware was different
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06:26<Hakk1tus_>but i'm going to get that back just next to me so i can easy access on it. :D
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06:27<Hakk1tus_>and after that when found fix for that i put it back to garage
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06:27<ml|>good luck
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06:28<vfaronov>hi, is there a quick way to tell if a particular file is a conffile (in the dpkg sense)? on lenny
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06:34<themill>vfaronov: you can always: grep "^/path/to/file$" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.conffiles
06:35<vfaronov>themill: great! thanks
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07:13<k-man>hi david
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07:14<themill>!ubuntu-es Guest1734
07:14<dpkg>Guest1734: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
07:15<Guest1734>i from spain
07:15<Guest1734>and you
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07:21<Jack>quest eres español?
07:21<Jack>a se fue
07:21<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:22<muzy>!ubuntu-es Jack
07:22<dpkg>Jack: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
07:22<Jack>hi im spanish
07:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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07:27<Er>komo estaaa
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07:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
07:28<Er>de onde esss
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07:30<muzy>does anyone know whether the Debian XChat has the same "Version" header?
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07:33<k-man>how do i prevent gdm from starting at boot time?
07:34<dr|z3d>k-man: use bum. aptitude install bum
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07:34<dr|z3d>(bootup manager) -> service management ui.
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07:35<k-man>oh, ok, i thought you were being rude
07:35<dr|z3d>I'd have said aptitude isntall yoass in that case :)
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07:56<jez9999>I just did a major upgrade of my squeeze install
07:56<jez9999>stuff seems to be working except my NAT has broken
07:56<jez9999>no idea why, /etc/network/interfaces and iptables havent changed and seem OK
07:57<jez9999>my other network box can ping this one, but nothing is getting through from it to the internet
07:57<malaphus>So im at the stage where I choose to install grub on the MBR, its a macbook pro, intel, I have Refit loaded
07:58<jez9999>why could this be?
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08:01<jez9999>malaphus: : yes, i can access stuff fine from this machine
08:01<jez9999>and i cant ping my server by IP from my NATted box
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08:07<jez9999>this is what i am running in my rc.local script to try and get NAT working:
08:07<jez9999>can anyone see anything wrong?
08:07<usuario>me entendeis?
08:07<themill>!ubuntu-es usuario
08:07<dpkg>usuario: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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08:07<usuario>eso que es?
08:08<usuario>hablais español?¿
08:08<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:22<themill>!ubuntu-es ema
08:22<dpkg>ema: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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08:22<dr|z3d>Ola off!
08:23<chilan>muzy, this is xchat from squeeze
08:24<muzy>was it !social-es or !es-social?
08:24<themill>the latter
08:24<muzy>I think there was such a command
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08:32<ema>se marchol
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08:40<jez9999>Has Debian introduced a mechanism yet to catch all log messages spewed out at bootup? will it ever?
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08:48<aguitel>i am running squeeze and i have not item "printers" in system->preferences
08:48<zophy>do you see 'default printer'
08:49<aguitel>zophy, no
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08:56<alexskan>Hi all, very quick question. What pdf viewer offer the hand icon to let you move around the file page (not to select text). Currently Evince looks like not having this navagation mode.
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08:59<alexskan>none can answer that?
08:59<przemoc86>alexskan: e.g. okular
09:00<alexskan>przemoc86, thanks, is it a light full functionality pdf viewer?
09:01<przemoc86>yes, fully functional. light? it depends. ;) it requires kde libs.
09:01<alexskan>mm kde .. lot of stuff to install with
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09:01<alexskan>przemoc, anything gnome related?
09:01<alexskan>on independent one?
09:02<aguitel>i am running squeeze and i have not item "printers" in system->preferences ,how solve this
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09:02<przemoc>alexskan: you can use middle button for moving the page
09:03<przemoc>but you must obviously know that
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09:03<alexskan>przemoc, great!!!
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09:03<rutski>a friend is asking me for help with this:
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09:03<alexskan>przemoc, thanks for the hint!
09:03<rutski>that's what he gets from running "apt-get install vlc"
09:03<rutski>and it's basically a fresh lenny install
09:04<alexskan>przemoc, how did you know that?
09:04<przemoc>it's common to use MMB for moving
09:04<przemoc>space is also a good candidate (not in evince though)
09:05*alexskan is googling shotcuts for evince
09:05<alexskan>przemoc, it does it :-)
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09:06<przemoc>unfortunately evince lacks many shortcuts that should be there, but aren't
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09:08<przemoc>rutski: vlc in lenny is in very old version
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09:11<vixus>Hey guys, networkmanager seems to be hanging up booting of debian 5.. is there any way to disable it without having access to the system?
09:11<vixus>might be this issue:
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09:12<vixus>i can mount the filesystem, can i take it out of /etc/rc*.d/?
09:15<vixus>or how do i enable syslogd as a tmp fix?
09:15<gsimmons>dpkg: tell rutski -about bat
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09:17<aguitel>anyone know how install lexmark x1185 in debian ?
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09:26<dr|z3d>aguitel: Look for the ppd, I think that's the filetype you need for the printer defintion.. you should be able to do something with that.
09:27<przemoc>I'm trying to build gdb 7.0.1 from squeeze in lenny, but there is unmet texinfo requirement. installing texinfo will remove many important packages: autoconf automake bison flex gnome-common gtk-doc-tools install-info intltool lsb lsb-core lsb-cxx lsb-desktop lsb-graphics m4 openprinting-ppds-postscript-kyocera. how it can be solved?
09:27<aguitel>dr|z3d, i have no the item "printers " in system-->administration
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09:28<aguitel>dr|z3d, how to add printer ?
09:29<dr|z3d>aguitel: Google around the idea of ppd lexmark linux printer configure. I can't offer specifc advice but try that.
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09:32<aguitel>dr|z3d, but my problem is how to add each printer
09:32<aguitel>dr|z3d, sorry for my english
09:32<przemoc>my bad, I was using some tools from backports and texinfo is also there
09:33<aguitel>i have not the item called "printers" in the menu system
09:34<dr|z3d>Erm.. try foomatic or something.
09:34<aguitel>dr|z3d, install foomatic?
09:34<dr|z3d>apt-cache search foomatic
09:34<dr|z3d>see what useful stuff that spits out..
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10:00<aguitel>anyone use lexmark x1185 ?
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10:06<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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10:10<aguitel>what is the username & password for the site :localhost:631/ ?
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10:13<Torsten_W>aguitel, root and pw for root
10:14<babilen>aguitel: it's the cups web-interface. You can create additional users with lppasswd ..
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10:18<aguitel>Torsten_W, babilen do you know about lexmark x1185 printer?
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10:19<Torsten_W>aguitel, no, but will
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10:20<vixus>oh exciting, i might actually find out what this issue is
10:21<babilen>aguitel: You might be able to find PPDs for your printer - but just check the openprinting website. It'll list your options
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10:21<vixus>where does syslog.d write by default?
10:21<aguitel>babilen, i have the ppd file but the printer is not working
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10:22<babilen>aguitel: So, it's sitting on the couch all day? Do you have any error messages? Something in cups log files?
10:22<aguitel>babilen, i will read
10:22<ml|>aguitel: did you try adding the ppd or just selecting your model from the list?
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10:23<aguitel>ml|, the 2 step
10:23<babilen>aguitel: /var/log/cups/error_log is the place to take a look for example
10:23<babilen>aguitel: Try adding the PPD directly
10:23<aguitel>babilen, ok
10:23<ml|>well them just try adding the ppd
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10:24<ml|>thankfully cups is not that hard to setup; or maybe I'm lucky ;)
10:25<ANTONELLA>you can speak spain
10:25<babilen>!es-social ANTONELLA
10:25<dpkg>ANTONELLA: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:26<ml|>!ubuntu-es ANTONELLA
10:26<dpkg>ANTONELLA: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
10:26<ANTONELLA>esque me aburro
10:26<ml|>babilen: btw, he is using ubuntu
10:26<babilen>ml|: What else? We need a "ubuntu-social" factoid that points to "ubuntu-es-offtopic"
10:27<ANTONELLA>pero que se hace en esta pagina
10:27<icebrain1>ANTONELLA: lee lo que dpkg dije. Es de ayuda con ordenadores
10:28<ANTONELLA>am not speak ingles
10:28<ml|>babilen: can't hurt, but the one we have now should suffice; ask the powers that be ;)
10:29<ml|>ANTONELLA: read what dpkg said please
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10:29<ANTONELLA>no te entiendo
10:30-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*ANTONELLA@83.37.74.*] by Ganneff
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10:38<lluvia>I am trying to install debian in a intel 133 MHz but installer say me that it haven't got a kernel for me
10:38<lluvia>what can I do?
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10:44<lluvia>the first thing I ask me is: has it sense?
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10:44<sney>the installers have an i686 kernel, you need i486, I'm not sure where to get an installer with that but it should be possible
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10:49<lluvia>sney: I see
10:50<lluvia>a net inst could be a solution?
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11:14<Laurenn> do my breasts look to big?
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11:21<aguitel>babilen, Torsten_W :i have this message :cups-insecure-filter ,what is?
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11:29<babilen>aguitel: No idea - paste the complete output to a pastebin/google it yourself ;)
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11:40<JeyBee66>bei Gnome kann man ja die passenden Themenpacks auf saugen, xFce basiert doch auch auf GTK2.+, oder?
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11:41<Torsten_W>xfce4 nutzt gtk2, ja
11:41<JeyBee66>dann kann ich die von nehmen?
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11:42<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
11:42<Torsten_W>o yes wrong chan for geman questions
11:43<JeyBee66>ah, sry, my bad
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11:45<JeyBee66>can i use the GTK2 Themes from for XFCE?
11:45<Torsten_W>you can also have had a look at
11:46<Torsten_W>and you can't use gnome-themes für xfce
11:46<Torsten_W>but gtk-themes should work
11:46<JeyBee66>yes, i tought so...
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11:49<othor>I am having problems with terribly slow USB 2 transfers, varies between 500kB/s and 30mB/s but stays mostly around 1-3mB/s. I have checked rsync, cp and mv difference in speeds and it doesn't really matter. Also made sure the device is running at full 480mbps. Also tested performance between other drives and they don't seem to be affected at all. Can't seem to find much about the issue other than the fact that most agree USB is slow. But not that slow?
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11:50<Zomb>othor: tried different ports?
11:50<Zomb>i.e. the front port, without any hub inbetween?
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11:52<bremner>othor: check dmesg, see if it is "high speed" or "full speed" = slow
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11:53<othor>It says new high speed usb device
11:54<ml|>is it a drive in an enclosure?
11:54*tholmith waves at ml|
11:55<othor>Yes it's an external usb drive
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11:56<ml|>test with another drive? maybe hardware issue drive or enclosure?
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11:57<amitz>othor: is that USB 2.0 part of motherboard or pci addition?
11:58<othor>It's motherboard
11:58<kootoomootoo>I have installed pure-ftpd, but inetd start tcpd and my server could not run
11:58<amitz>see dmesg if it time outs or reconnect periodically?
11:58<amitz>or the data flows consistently?
11:59<othor>I have it's all normal there
11:59<kootoomootoo>tcpd should start my pure-ftpd server?
11:59<amitz>I assume ehci_hcd (or is it uhci_hcd, can't recall) are both loaded?
11:59<kootoomootoo>if I kil that inetd service, pure run ok
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12:00<bremner>othor: does running iotop give any clues?
12:00<kootoomootoo>How should I start pure-ftpd?
12:00<kootoomootoo>within inetd?
12:00<amitz>ehci_hcd it seems.
12:01<tholmith>i'm having a litle problem with grub2. altough /etc/default/grub contains #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true update-grub doesn't pass the UUID to the kernel command line. it might be because the root partition is encrypted? editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg and adding the uuid was easy but it shouldn't be done like that. is there something i miss?
12:01<kootoomootoo>does tcpd something useful?
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12:02<ml|>tholmith: maybe worlk fine here
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12:02<amitz>othor: ehci_hcd is the module for USB2.0
12:03<othor>Is says that exactly: usb 1-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
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12:03<ml|>tholmith: check bts and file a bug if needed
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12:05<amitz>othor: have you tried another drive or another enclosure? since I run out of idea.
12:06<amitz>there is an issue of file system but that's pure speculation of mine ;-)
12:07<amitz>btw, you haven't confirmed. The flow is constantly slow right? Not fast then suddenly stop, then pick up speed again, then slow again, repeat.
12:07<othor>no it's very random
12:07<othor>At first I thought it was heavy fragmentation
12:07<bremner>kootoomootoo: did you read the docs in /usr/share/doc/pure-ftpd
12:08<othor>But I am copying around 1TB of files
12:08<othor>And after 2 days I got suspicious
12:08<amitz>othor: multiple files? you're not by any chance running xfs or reiser fs in that protable drive?
12:09<othor>amitz: No it's ntfs
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12:09<othor>amitz: in this case it's both ntfs the source and destination, but no problem copying from ntfs to ext3 or the other way around. So I thought the problem may be usb related
12:10<amitz>perhaps you can try cat /dev/hd?? > test.img and see the performance? if it still suck, and randomly, I give up.
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12:12<amitz>if fast, then slow, then fast, then slow, within that session, it's probably your harddrive's USB. I've been there.
12:13<amitz>othor: oh the idea was, some fs really processing power hungry for certain type of files, like xfs. Been there too.
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12:14<amitz>so 2 ntfs may be slowed down significantly.
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12:15<othor>amitz: this is mostly just multimedia files. most around 700-1.5GB. But I will try to convert the other external to some other file system and try that then, see if it makes a difference. Can't be bothered right now since it's alot of data.
12:16<othor>But I did notice a decrease in system IO performance while copying, but not real cpu usage
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12:17<othor>Mostly with nautilus being slower than normally with opening folders
12:18<Pooninranger>im using lenny on a vps and i have the timezone set to central and it shows it right in local time but everything goes off of UTC time how can i change that?
12:18<amitz>perhaps don't use nautilus? and check about performance of ntfs for large files and HD. Good luck :-)
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12:18<kootoomootoo>bremner: I just modified a line in inetd.conf and looks OK
12:19<othor>amitz: what do you suggest instead?
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12:19<othor>amitz: and note I am not using nautilus for file copying
12:19<kootoomootoo>I am not sure what tcpd daemon does
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12:20<kootoomootoo>I should use it or not
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12:21<rolnikov>i have problem with dhclient
12:22<bremner>kootoomootoo: well, if you want security advice, I would say don't use ftp. But I guess tcpd can help a little if you only want to allow certain clients.
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12:22<rolnikov>it doesnt renew an IP when I plugged cable
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12:22<j0sfg>problems running bitlbee on lenny. if i run "bitlbee -D" under root without dropping the account to bitlbee, all seems to be ok. but if i run "bitlbee -D" as the user bitlbee, irssi is refused connection. please help?
12:22<amitz>othor: oh, just realized that, sorry. If I were you, I'll check for ntfs performance, specifically in linux. I talked to someone in (other) #debian, his/her dedicated server crawled because of creating/deleting multiple small files/directory structures. changing the fs from xfs to ext3 solve the problem.
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12:22<Zomb>j0sfg: which port does it bind for irssi?
12:23<amitz>xfs really sucks in small files.
12:23<rolnikov>i think its connected with avahi daemon, but i dont know if I can remove it safety ?
12:23<ml|>yes, sftp or ftp with ssl would be better security wise and some say don't even use ftp
12:23<amitz>or change HD ;-)
12:23<j0sfg>Zomb: 6667 i assume as that is what it binds to under root. how do i check?
12:23<rolnikov>i have virtualbox which is supposed to use avahi
12:23<dr|z3d>scp just as good, if not better.
12:23<rolnikov>does anybody read me ;)
12:24<othor>amitz: thanks for your help. I'll see about changing file system, other than that, I have plenty of time in this case since it's not my own drive.
12:24<Zomb>j0sfg: that's ok, it must have some other reason. Maybe it fails to read some config files, created as root? Or write to log directory, which was created as root?
12:24<ml|>yes scp is good and rsync with ssh :)
12:24<dr|z3d>rolnikov: Remove it, shouldn't break much, if anything.
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12:26<Pooninranger>can someone help me with my problem with my time?
12:26<amitz>othor: np :-)
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12:26<bremner>!tell Pooninranger -about ask
12:26<kootoomootoo>what flag should I use with pure-ftpd to allow connection from web browser (opera)
12:26<Pooninranger>im using lenny on a vps and i have the timezone set to central and it shows it right in local time but everything goes off of UTC time how can i change that?
12:27<dr|z3d>Pooninranger: aptitude install ntpd ?
12:27<Pooninranger>i said that earlier
12:27<ml|>Pooninranger: /msg dpkg set time
12:27<j0sfg>Zomb: /var/lib/bitlbee is owned by user bitlbee.bitlbee with rwx------ permissions. /etc/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf is owned by root.bitlbee with rw-r----- perms. what might be the other directories?
12:27<Pooninranger>i installed ntpdate
12:27<dr|z3d>Oh, timezone.. just set your correctly.
12:27<Pooninranger>it is
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12:27<Pooninranger>my local time is right but everything is going off UTC
12:27<bremner>Pooninranger: oh, sorry, I didn't understand you actually were asking a question.
12:27<dr|z3d>Hmm. Ok.
12:27<Zomb>j0sfg: no idea. In doubt, run it under strace command.
12:28<bremner>Pooninranger: did you try dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?
12:28<j0sfg>Zomb: how can i check if 6667 is bound if thw owner is not root? i've never used strace
12:29<Pooninranger>its set to America Chicago
12:29<ml|>ntp or openntpd; I believe ntpdate is obsolete/unmaintaing
12:29<Zomb>j0sfg: lsof, netstat -an (as root)
12:29<Pooninranger>Current default timezone: 'America/Chicago'
12:29<Pooninranger>Local time is now: Sun Mar 21 11:30:03 CDT 2010.
12:29<Pooninranger>Universal Time is now: Sun Mar 21 16:30:03 UTC 2010.
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12:29<Zomb>j0sfg: and check the logs, of course
12:30<Zomb>are the previous logfiles writeable to the user?
12:30<j0sfg>Zomb: which logfiles?
12:31<Zomb>j0sfg: the one that already exist? If not, just forget it ;-)
12:31<j0sfg>Zomb: i don't know if bitlbee creates any log files, and if yes, where?
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12:33<Pooninranger>ml| just do apt-get install ntp?
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12:33<dr|z3d>Pooninranger: Yes!
12:33<ml|>Pooninranger: /msg dpkg ntp
12:33<Zomb>j0sfg: no idea, maybe there is no log at all
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12:34<dr|z3d>or better still, aptitude install..
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12:34<ml|>Pooninranger: also pool.ntp
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12:34<Pooninranger>i did apt-get install ntp and now my time is right
12:35<Pooninranger>i run a mircbot and i need a timer to go off at a certain time and didn't want to have to create something to convert it
12:35<j0sfg>Zomb: thanks, you've given me some food for thought. i'm going to try a few things and see how it goes... ta!
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12:38<coolworld>whats is the newest kernel used on lenny
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12:39<sney>judd: kernels
12:39<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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12:41<jhutchins_lt>What's the difference between experimental and sid?
12:41<OdyX>jhutchins_lt: just different suites.
12:41<azeem_>jhutchins_lt: experimental is not a full suite
12:41<OdyX>jhutchins_lt: there is no automatic transition from experimental
12:42<OdyX>experimental is mostly a breakable sid
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12:42<fedebrad>hi all
12:43<Phyth0n>Is anyone here familiar with devices using the ralink rt2870 chipset?
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12:45<sney>Phyth0n: /msg dpkg rt2870
12:46<Phyth0n>I have already read the wiki article
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12:46<Phyth0n>I've gone over every step a few times to make sure that I didn't do something wrong
12:46<sney>so if you're having a specific issue, you should tell us about it, instead of vaguely asking if anyone has used your nic
12:46<Phyth0n>But the adaptor does nothing
12:47<Phyth0n>The machine isn't detecting it at all
12:47<Phyth0n>The module is loaded
12:47<Phyth0n>And I've installed the firmware
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12:47<sney>does it show in lspci?
12:47<Phyth0n>It's a USB adaptor
12:47<Phyth0n>and it shows up in lsusb
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12:48<Phyth0n>Bus 002 Device 005: ID 050d:815c Belkin Components Ralink RT2870 [F5D8053 N Wireless USB Adapter v3000]
12:48<Phyth0n>It's on the list of supported hardware
12:48<Phyth0n>In the wiki article
12:50<sney>so what happens if you iwconfig ra0?
12:50<Phyth0n>ra0 No such device
12:51<mercutio32>I'd like to backup and later restore my entire system. What route should I go? Tar?
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12:51<Phyth0n>It's definitely plugged in
12:51<Phyth0n>And the rt2870sta module is loaded
12:51<ml|>mercutio32: rsync and better yet rsnapshot /msg dpkg rsnapshot; there are more solutions of course
12:52<sney>Phyth0n: what kernel are you on?
12:52<Phyth0n>2.6.30 amd64
12:53<sney>it might be wlan0, check iwconfig wlan0
12:53<mercutio32>ml|: thanks for the suggestions
12:53<Phyth0n>iwconfig only shows lo and eth0
12:54<Phyth0n>wlan0 No such device
12:55<Phyth0n>I got it to work sort-of earlier
12:55<Phyth0n>It detected it
12:55<Phyth0n>But wouldn't connect to any networks
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12:56<sney>Phyth0n: anything in dmesg after you loaded the module?
12:56<ml|>mercutio32: this should help and read the docs ...
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13:00<coolworld>Phyth0n: are you using X or command line ?
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13:00<coolworld>yea, whatever its refered to now <- old school
13:00<Phyth0n>oh lol
13:00<Phyth0n>yeah, gnome
13:01<rivon>why does the synaptic want to uninstall xorg + all input and video drivers when I try to install nvidia-glx package?
13:01<coolworld>so you dont see your card active in the upper right hand side of the screen (if you didnt change the theme)
13:01<coolworld>rivon: because that package has dependencies
13:01<ml|>does it need those other video drivers?
13:02<rivon>yes... but I need xorg ;)
13:02<Phyth0n>I just installed wicf
13:02<Phyth0n>but that doesn't work either
13:02<rivon>and also it wants to uninstall input drivers... not only video drivers
13:03<ml|>yeah removing xorg is odd, not normal
13:03<coolworld>rivon: I agree with ml|
13:03<Phyth0n>any ideas?
13:04<ml|>rivon: pastebin that to get help
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13:04<rivon>paste where?
13:04<sney>Phyth0n: you've exhausted my knowledge, but the people in #debian-eeepc have a lot of experience with that driver so they may be helpful
13:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
13:05<coolworld>Phyth0n: hang on thinking... had the same issue with oen of my other machines..
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13:05<Phyth0n>ok I'll check in there
13:06<Phyth0n>thanks for trying
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13:06<rivon>paste what? I said it all in first post... when I try to install nvidia-glx, synaptic wants to uninstall xorg + all input and video drivers...
13:07<ml|>the output of that
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13:07<coolworld>i need to install nvidia drivers for this machine lol..
13:07<rivon>ml|, it's in synaptic... not apt
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13:08<ml|>rivon: ok, don't paste or use aptitude and paste your choice
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13:09<rivon>I can paste the output of aptitude, but it's in Czech language... how do I change the language of it?
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13:10<Torsten_W>rivon, lang=C command
13:10<ml|>dpkg localized errors
13:10<Torsten_W>LANG=C command
13:10<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install
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13:14<ml|>rivon: did you follow the wiki to use nvidia driver?
13:15<rivon>I dunno... just trying to install nvidia-glx + nvidia-kernel-source and compile the module
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13:15<coolworld>ml|: let me guess you hae to compile it into the kernel
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13:15<ml|>rivon: /msg dpkg nvidia and follow that
13:15<rivon>normally I would just install the compiled module, but it'S for 2.6.26-2 and not -3
13:16<rivon>ml|, not really helping me
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13:16<ml|>coolworld: no, need a module
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13:19<coolworld>intresting, might see if that works with this machine, it had nvidia card
13:19<rivon>why it's fucked up in Squeeze and ok in Sid? shouldn't it be opposite?
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13:19<ml|>rivon: oh using squeeze?
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13:21<rivon>ml|, yes
13:21<ml|>rivon: then /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze and follow that exactly
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13:22<rivon>yeah I'm following that
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13:23<ml|>rivon: you need to make your system is up to date first
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13:24<kootoomootoo>how can I send an email from my machine to my yahoo mail account?
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13:26<rivon>ml|, I know
13:27<ml|>just looks odd trying to install an old kernel, I would never guess you used testing
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13:28<rivon>how it's possible that there is no xorg.conf in my system? :)
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13:29<ml|>no needed these days, for the most part
13:30<ml|>but iirc you will when start using nvidia driver
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13:31<afsal>ny1 can tell me d command to dwnld pidgin 2.6.6
13:31<rivon>nvidia-xconfig made a new file named XF86Config... should I rename it to xorg.conf?
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13:32<ml|>last I used that it made a xorg.conf; make a backup just incase
13:33<rivon>there's no xorg.conf
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13:33<rivon>to backup
13:33<rivon>ok going to reboot
13:33<ml|>not of that of your newly created one or just redo it will work too
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13:36<kootoomootoo>afsal: use debian backports
13:36<rivon>aah workin' fine :D
13:37<ml|>!congratulate rivon
13:37<dpkg>Woohoo rivon, you did it!
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13:38<kootoomootoo>How can I send mail from machine to yahoo accounts?
13:38<rivon>btw there's another problem... sometimes when I click the Reboot/Shutdown in Gnome, it just logs me out and throws me to GDM. and when I click Shutdown in GDM it just throws me to terminal (and I think the GDM is still running by that time)
13:39<ml|>check bts, while you wait for any help on that
13:43<rivon>I kind of don't understand the bug searching system... it's really cryptic
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13:56<chaos>this is my current net layout: adsl modem -> linux box -> windows box ... how do i temporarily stop the routing for windows box to the internet? the goal would be to still have internet access for the linux box and LAN access between windows & linux but not to let windows go online
13:58<coolworld>ip tables, or a firewall
13:58<captain>chaos, i'm guessing you have iptables running?
13:59<chaos>if i empy my forward chain and make its policy drop that would do it?
13:59<captain>as far as i remember, there's a more elegant way to just "stop" it...
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13:59<captain>it's been YEARS since i've had to do that though... i just buy these $40 netgear boxen these days
13:59<chaos>well .. if there was a button to push to temp halt it and then push again to resume that'd be very good :)
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14:01<captain>chaos, is there an init.d script?
14:01<j0sfg>chaos make windows have static ip, don't set default gateway or dns. windows won't go on the internet
14:01<captain>try to /etc/init.d/ipchains_or_whatever stop
14:01<chaos>j0sfg: hm.. great idea :)
14:02<captain>j0sfg's idea will work too :)... i don't think you don't need it to be static though
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14:02<chaos>it's static anyway
14:02<captain>chaos, lol... paranoid much? ;)
14:02<j0sfg>captain: if it wasn't static, imho dhcp would dump everything on to it
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14:02<captain>you're basically running my topology from almost back in the dialup days :P
14:03<chaos>no but what's the point of making it dynamic if there's a link cable between windows & linux?
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14:03<captain>j0sfg, as far as i remember, you can override just certain dhcp-given things in windows
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14:03<captain>chaos, if you have several machines behind the linux box, you may not wanna manage static ips on all of them
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14:05<captain>of course, you'd need to run a dhcp server on your linux box too... so it's a matter of which work seems like less to you...
14:05<chaos>well .. there's my box with static and the rest of the family on a switch with dynamic
14:06<j0sfg>can i reserve some IPs on dhcp and not let them have the def gw and dns, etc?
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14:08<captain>j0sfg, yup
14:09<captain>you can have multiple scopes
14:10<j0sfg>ah i see. so have a scope with reserved ips, and another for everything. yes
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14:17<captain>yup! :)
14:22<captain>anyone else on testing or sid get something about "system policy" asking for root's password when you try to reboot... and it reboots regardless of whether you enter it or not?
14:22<azeem_>captain: don't crosspost, please
14:22<ml|>not here
14:22<captain>azeem_, wow not even across networks?
14:22<captain>sorry... wasn't aware
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14:23<captain>ml|, hmm... wonder if i should be suspicious...
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14:24<ml|>I just rebooted today just fine :)
14:24<azeem_>captain: do you have sudo setup with nopasswd or something, maybe?
14:24<captain>azeem_, my sudoers is very default
14:24<captain>i just su - if i need anything...
14:25<bibop554>hi all
14:25<captain>damn... i've installed a dirty deb or two from outside the official repositories... hope i haven't been rooted... :-/
14:25<captain>hi bibop554
14:25<bibop554>Does anyone know how the debian dev can test the package nivia-glx ? I mean, have they all kind of graphic card to test
14:26<bibop554>Or maybe they test only on one or two gpu and assume it will be ok for the other ?
14:27<azeem_>bibop554: it's getting tested in unstable
14:27<jhutchins_lt>bibop554: There isn't a lab that tests them. It's just whoever has whatever card on their system.
14:28<bibop554>oh yeah. It's a kind of distributed lab among the debian's user ^^ yes, very convenient
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14:29<bibop554>i have a 9600gt, still not supported in squeeze, is there a way to know when it will be supported ?
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14:29<ml|>captain: you can always check those deb's to be on the safe side
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14:30<captain>bibop554, is it a question of the upstream driver not supporting your card, or debian not packaging the newer version?
14:30<bibop554>captain> debian not packaging the newer version. (meanwhile i installed the driver from nvidia's website)
14:30<captain>ml|, sadly, i wasn't all that careful at documenting them :-/
14:30<Torsten_W>the driver in sid does support this card
14:31<ml|>bibop554: you need to follow /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
14:31<ml|>captain: a double wammy ;(
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14:31<captain>hehe yup
14:32<mercutio32>how to change an ntfs partition label?
14:32<captain>bibop554, have you tried the sid deb, as Torsten_W suggested?
14:32<captain>ps, is bibop554 a throw back to ninja turtles?
14:32<bibop554>captain> no, because i'm in squeeze, and i don't really know how to install packages from another stream
14:32<bibop554>moreover i don't install unstable package
14:33<ml|>captain: it's a bit more involded that
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14:33<captain>bibop554, i'd imagine doing the dependencies manually wouldn't be all that hard
14:33<Torsten_W>mercutio22, with ntfslabel
14:33<ml|>*than that
14:33<mercutio22>Torsten_W: thanks for the clue
14:33<captain>otherwise you could do some apt pinning... but i have had some issues doing that... like more of sid creeping in than i'd like :(
14:33<j0sfg>how can i allow normal users to use the reboot command in lenny?
14:33<captain>j0sfg, sudo
14:34<ml|>captain: explains that... /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
14:34<j0sfg>i don't want to put everyone in sudo
14:34<ml|>or just ^-alt-delete in a tty
14:34<j0sfg>how can i just allow them to use reboot or halt and no other sudo commands?
14:35<captain>ml|, oh wow... that particular question is quite common huh?
14:35<cahoot>learn how to use sudo
14:35<ml|>man sudo explains
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14:35<captain>j0sfg, that's what sudo is for... giving limited access
14:35<adb>j0sfg, try '/sbin/shutdown -r now' as user ..
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14:35<ml|>captain: yes it is
14:35<j0sfg>adb, oh... i had no idea
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14:38<ml|>can also create a sudo group and add your users to that and setup sudo correctly
14:39<j0sfg>adb "shutdown: you must be root to do that!"
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14:40<captain>ml|, good idea ;)... otherwise 'nobody' could issue reboot too huh?
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14:42<ml|>either way will work
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14:43<j0sfg>yes, i want 'nobody' or anybody or everybody to issue halt and reboot commands. either that or they kill the laptop... hehe
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14:44<elfo>q ai
14:45<ml|>!ubuntu-es elfo
14:45<dpkg>elfo: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
14:45<elfo>eres español
14:45<elfo>de donde eres
14:46<elfo>y eso a donde esta
14:46<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:46<ml|>elfo: le lo que dijo dpkg por favor aqui no spanish
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14:46<Guest1784>no spain
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14:47<elfo>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ok
14:47<elfo>eres iniglis
14:48<elfo>aa ok
14:48<elfo>speak espanish
14:48<Guest1784>bye elfo see you later
14:48<elfo>vale yao
14:49<ml|>!ops elfo
14:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: elfo
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14:50<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:50<ml|>Maulkin: thanks, he is using ubuntu btw
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15:43<And1>Anyone knows how to change the order of the output of 'xrandr -q'? I'm using the metamodes Option in xorg.conf's Screen-session.
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15:46<user55>moin, moin wieso kann ich im Archivmanager ( x31+Lenny) firmware-ipw2x00_0.14+lenny2_all.deb nicht öffnen ?? Hat jemand einen Tipp ?
15:46<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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15:46<babilen>user55: Oder eben hier auf Englisch :)
15:47<babilen>And1: Why would you want to change the order? Can't you just extract the pieces you need?
15:47<user55>ich hohl mal das dictionary - may be i 'm back tomorrow
15:48<babilen>user55: Wie gesagt - es gibt auch einen Deutschen Channel (
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15:48<babilen>user55: Apart from that, you don't really want to install th firmware package through aptitude
15:48<And1>babilen: I want X to start with only one display active, even if two are plugged in. And if I want to, I can switch via xrandr to two displays. Now after starting X I automatically have two displays.
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15:49<babilen>user55: "aptitude install firmware-ipw2x00" should do the trick. Use dpkg -x to extract it.
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16:16<bombadil_>hello, does anyone here know about hosting an IRC server on debian?
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16:20<muzy>bombadil_, I do
16:20<muzy>but what is the question?
16:20<bombadil_>hello muzy!
16:21<bombadil_>so nice to meet you. well basically, the curiosity of hosting an IRC server randomly crossed my mind
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16:21<bombadil_>how much bandwidth is required?
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16:21<muzy>well I first would recommend you to check your ISP
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16:21<muzy>cause some ISP forbid IRC Server
16:21<bombadil_>i had no idea!
16:21<bombadil_>well i have done webservers and game servers
16:22<muzy>and if its forbidden they can cancel your contract
16:22<muzy>so I recommend to check this first
16:22<muzy>(the reason is that IRC Servers are often the aim of DDOS attacks)
16:22<bombadil_>makes sense
16:23<bombadil_>so by hosting an IRC server from my home, would i be endangering my home network?
16:23<muzy>The bandwith is a good question, it depends on whether you link to other servers and on the number of users
16:23<bombadil_>perhaps i could create a subnet
16:23<muzy>bombadil_, it depends on your skills
16:23<muzy>if you have a ddos on a homenetwork you might have no access to internet anymore
16:23<bombadil_>i have a linux firewall box
16:24<niekie>Hosting an IRC server on a home connection is usually not a good idea :)
16:24<niekie>(though, ironically, that's how the IRC network I run started out)
16:24<bombadil_>that's pretty much what I was thinking, thanks for clarifying
16:24<bombadil_>what's another option? dedicated hosting?
16:24<niekie>bombadil_: no need for dedicated.
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16:25<bombadil_>shared is fine?
16:25<muzy>For myself I have the experience that an IRC NEtwork with 20-30 Users takes about 50MB of Bandwidth/Month and 5-10MB RAM
16:25<niekie>bombadil_: usually you can just rent a shell somewhere.
16:25<muzy>bombadil_, you should go fine with a vps
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16:25<bombadil_>still, it would be fun to do it here
16:25<niekie>Watch out though. Because even most dedicated hosts or VPS providers won't allow IRC hosting.
16:26<niekie>Check up with them if it is okay first is my recommendation :)
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16:26<niekie>The one I have currently has it not permitted in their TOS, though their FAQ says they allow it on request (and my request got accepted) :)
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16:27<niekie>(and I have another shell provider which explicitly permits it)
16:27<muzy>Mine says "no" but the AGB doesn't forbid
16:27<muzy>so I have the right to do so
16:27<bombadil_>can i VNC into a VPS?
16:27<niekie>bombadil_: why would you want to? :)
16:27<muzy>why you need VNC=
16:27<bombadil_>just for the fun of it tbh
16:28<muzy>i would just use ssh
16:28<muzy>with key-login
16:28<niekie>bombadil_: why waste the resources? :)
16:28<muzy>and no root login
16:28<muzy>to make it secure
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16:28<muzy>and then change the port maybe
16:28<bombadil_>that's what i have here at home. i use putty on my cellphone
16:28<Phyth0n>Hello, I have an adaptor that uses the rt2870 chipset and I have installed the firmware and loaded the module, yet debian still doesn't recognise my device. Any ideas?
16:28<ml|>yup muzy :)
16:28<muzy>or just make it accessable through a VPN
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16:28<niekie>Or run a honeypot on port 22 >:)
16:28<Phyth0n>I followed everything in the wiki
16:29<GCS>Hi. I would like to check for the arch in debian/rules.
16:29<niekie>I remember I once ran one that logged attempted usernames/passwords and everything.
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16:29<GCS>I do:
16:29<niekie>I made that myself though :)
16:29<GCS>DEB_HOST_ARCH := $(shell dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)
16:29<bombadil_>i used RSA pre-shared key (with password) + i changed the port
16:29<GCS>ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_ARCH), amd64)
16:29<GCS>Which fails as:
16:29<GCS>ifeq (amd64, amd64)
16:29<GCS>/bin/sh: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
16:29<GCS>What do I miss?
16:29<muzy>GCS use a pastebin next time please.
16:30<bombadil_>thanks for the suggestions
16:30<Phyth0n>Could anyone help me?
16:30<muzy>no problem, your're welcome
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16:31<bombadil_>what about this stuff:
16:31<bombadil_>i think they allow IRC
16:31<bombadil_>$10 a month
16:31<muzy>bombadil_, thats a waste of money
16:31<muzy>I've got a vps for about 2€
16:31<muzy>this is maybe US$ 3
16:31<muzy>with 256MB RAM
16:31<muzy>and 50GB BW
16:32<muzy>I would not spend too much money on it
16:32<bombadil_>oh i think you need the IRCD account
16:32<niekie>(hrm, seems DNS is failing on my home connection)
16:32<muzy>hm bombadil_?
16:32<niekie>Anyone got an open nameserver?
16:32<bombadil_>muzy: that's a great price. how many people can join the server ?
16:32<niekie>What was the one Google ran again?
16:32<bombadil_>what host do you use?
16:32<muzy>bombadil_, it's your choise
16:33<niekie>muzy: thank you :)
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16:33<niekie>muzy: aw. And just as you give me it, my DNS starts working again. Thank you very much anyway :)
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16:34<bombadil_>can you recommend a good vps host?
16:34*niekie can.
16:34<muzy>well I've searched for the wikileaks site i made with free dns servers
16:34<muzy>but it seems not available
16:34<muzy>bombadil_, i can
16:34<niekie>I have a 512MB RAM, 1024MB SWAP, 1000GB bandwidth, 40GB disk, 4 IP VPS for 19.99GBP/month
16:35<muzy>but you have to setup the vps yourself there (and its a german hoster)
16:35<muzy>I have 256MB RAM, 50GB bandwidth, 4GB Disk and 1IPv4 and 5 IPv6 adresses for 2€/month
16:36<niekie>muzy: sweet. Can I get a link? :)
16:36<niekie>Might get that as additional server.
16:36<muzy>am I allowed to paste it here?
16:36<niekie>muzy: not sure. PM it to me.
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16:39<niekie>muzy: just 5 IPv6 is kinda small though :D
16:39<bombadil_>yes you can paste that stuff here
16:39<muzy>niekie, it's okay ;)
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16:39*niekie has 2 /48s on IPv6.
16:39<niekie>*evil grin*
16:39*muzy hat 1 /48 and 1 /56
16:40<muzy>and 10 /128 *g*
16:40<bombadil_>these sound like a better deal than my webhost
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16:40<bombadil_>i would just need to configure apache
16:40<muzy>thats easy
16:41<bombadil_>is a vps a good alternative to a webhost?
16:41<muzy>If you know what you're doing yes
16:41<muzy>but I would rely on a webhost for webhosting
16:41*ml| points to #debian-offtopic
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16:41<bombadil_>it seems like i'm paying a lot for them to administrate my account
16:41<muzy>cause if they fail you can want your money back
16:41<muzy>oh well lets go to #debian-offtopic
16:41<muzy>sorry guys
16:42<bombadil_>i pay $72 / m to host 4 wordpress sites
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16:45<Phyth0n>I have an adaptor that uses the rt2870 chipset and I have installed the firmware and loaded the module, yet debian still doesn't recognise my device. Any ideas?
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16:51<rivon>how can I add windows boot option to grub? there's not menu.lst :(
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16:54<ml|>rivon: take a look at this ...
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16:58<Phyth0n>It now shows up
16:58<Phyth0n>But still isn't working properly
16:58<dutchfish>simonrvn: after adding that key i have to dscverify my to add it to dscverify mechanism, so no security breach
16:59<dutchfish>simonrvn: it doe snot add the key automatically when imported to dscverify
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16:59<dutchfish>thats all
16:59<dutchfish>a primer for me
17:00<ml|>rivon: can also /msg dpkg grub2 config ; but read the other links so you understand grub2 better
17:00<dutchfish>i have backported many packages and i was prolly lucky not to encounter this sooner
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17:03<tha-infamous>adb how to install kde
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17:03<adb>aptitude install kdebase
17:05<tha-infamous>adb i do thet as a root
17:05<tha-infamous>sudo ir su
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17:05<adivik2000>how do i create gps data??
17:06<adivik2000>i.e gpx
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17:08<tha-infamous>adb now its working
17:08<rivon>grub2 sucks
17:08<rivon>I want the older one :)
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17:18<tha-infamous>adb wat is gdm
17:19<adb>gNOME display manager
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17:19<adb>you need kde
17:19<adb>you need kdm*
17:20<tha-infamous>i have opcion gdm and kdm
17:20<adb>> kdm
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17:21<tha-infamous>k its finish, i try to log in to kdm
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17:21<bremner>Gdm works fine for kde
17:22<adb>anyways it's not very important .. but he reboot
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17:28<tha-infamous>adb where to faund drivers
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17:28<ml|>bremner: but gdm does not start with a 'k' ;)
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17:37<adb>tha-infamous, drivers for ?
17:37<tha-infamous>nvidia display drivers
17:37<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
17:38<adb>!tell tha-infamous about selftell
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18:23<And1>Hey folks, I'm having two identic monitors, though Xorg.0.log shows this:
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18:23<And1>(--) Mar 21 20:08:36 NVIDIA(0): DELL 2408WFP (DFP-0): 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock¬
18:23<And1>(--) Mar 21 20:08:36 NVIDIA(0): DELL 2408WFP (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link TMDS¬
18:23<And1>(--) Mar 21 20:08:36 NVIDIA(0): DELL 2408WFP (DFP-1): 165.0 MHz maximum pixel clock¬
18:23<And1>(--) Mar 21 20:08:36 NVIDIA(0): DELL 2408WFP (DFP-1): Internal Single Link TMDS¬
18:23<And1>Any ideas, why? Sorry for pasting 4 lines.
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18:24<bremner>sounds like the card/cable is different
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18:25<bremner>but my 2408wfp runs off ati
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18:26<And1>I also thought this. Though the two cables look like the first/third graphic here:
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18:28<And1>bremner: Do you also have the cable which came with the monitor in use, does it also look like a single link cable? The second cable isn't from dell, but looks exactly the same. (Well, the pins...)
18:29<bremner>And1: I'm not there now. In any case my says 170MHz pixel clock, which seems to be fast enough.
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18:30<And1>Ah hm. Ok thanks though. :)
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18:34<ml|>And1: mine shows 170 MHz as well
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18:35<And1>ml|, bremner: I'm having a rev 01 and a rev 02.
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18:36<And1>I'd like to know which differences there are, but I didn't find anything on or google yet.
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18:36<ml|>if it's working fine, should fine?
18:38<And1>Just wondered, why there is a difference in Xorg.0.log.
18:39<ml|>maybe the revision?
18:40<And1>Hm maybe. Or it maybe is the port of the graphics card and not even the monitor or something like that.
18:40<ml|>you could switch the cables around and see if you same results or different
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18:40<And1>Yup, wanted to do so. But I think I don't want to do it while the pc is running, mh?
18:41<ml|>try switching ports too
18:41<ml|>I don't think anything can happen; best to do will everything is off
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19:19<aguitel>anyone use epsaoncx 5600 ?
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19:19<aguitel>anyone use Epson cx5600
19:20<tha-infamous>adb how to mount my win partitions
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19:22<adb>!tell tha-infamous user accessible ntfs
19:22<adb>!tell tha-infamous ntfs-3g
19:22<ml|>adb: about
19:23<adb>!tell tha-infamous about ntfs-3g
19:23<adb>!tell tha-infamous -about user accessible ntfs
19:23<adb>ml|, thanks
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19:28<malaphus>Where should I install grub on a macbook pro, dual booting mac osx and debian
19:29<malaphus>I tried MBR, fail... I tried my root partition for debian, fail
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19:29<jhutchins_lt>malaphus: Not sure you can do that.
19:29<jhutchins_lt>malaphus: I think you need a Mac bootmanager. (Trying to remember the name.)
19:29<ml|>malaphus: did you read the wiki links from before?
19:29<malaphus>refit? I have refit
19:30<malaphus>I have refit now
19:30<malaphus>and linux shows up in the refit menu
19:30<malaphus>but when I select it, "No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key"
19:30<jhutchins_lt>malaphus: Then doesn't boot? What version of grub?
19:30<ml|>should boot then
19:30<malaphus>whatever is with 5.0.3
19:31<malaphus>where should grub be installed?
19:31<malaphus>or do I not want grub at all?
19:31<ml|>malaphus: aptitude show grub or grub-legacy should tell you
19:31<jhutchins_lt>malaphus: It can't be installed to the root of the disk or you'd wipe out refit.
19:32<jhutchins_lt>malaphus: Still need grub.
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19:32<ml|>the wiki should cover all this
19:32<malaphus>so I install grub on the root of the debian partition?
19:32<malaphus>im on a different PC now, can you link it again?
19:33<ml|>malaphus: /msg dpkg macbook and macbookpro
19:33<jhutchins_lt>malaphus: Yes, the debian root partiton.
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19:36<aguitel>anyone use Epson cx5600 ?
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19:37<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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19:37<aguitel>how install epson cx5600 in squeeze
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19:38<ml|>aguitel: didn't some people here help you with that already?
19:39<aguitel>ml|, with lexmark
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19:39<ml|>follow the same procedure then
19:39<aguitel>ml|, some printers are complicated in linux
19:40<aguitel>ml|, the problem is about the scaner
19:40<ml|>reason to buy linux compatible hardware
19:40<aguitel>to late
19:41<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg xane ; might help
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19:42<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg xsane ; might help *
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19:47<malaphus>OK so, its booting debian now, but in order to boot debian I have to hold OPTION button and select "Windows" from the bootcamp screen
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19:48<ml|>malaphus: iirc you can change in refit to always show the menu
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19:49<ml|>and also change the icon to a linux/tux on instead
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20:04<thx1138>hi everyone
20:05<thx1138>i'm looking for some help with nc and win shell
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20:07<thx1138>pleasee help me someone i have a shell on a remote pc and i can't transfer via nc
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20:08<bremner>!tell thx1138 about windows
20:08<bremner>well, that wasn't helpful. This is not a windows support channel, thx1138
20:08<thx1138>i am using backtrack
20:08<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
20:09<ml|>that windows factiod :)
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20:10<thx1138>can you direct me then at least? haven't been using mirc for a looooooooong time
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20:10<thx1138>where can i get some help?
20:10<bremner>thx1138: did you read what dpkg the bot wrote?
20:11<ml|>thx1138: /server then after connected /join #backtrack-linux
20:11<thx1138>so? 8-|
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20:11<thx1138>ok thx
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20:12<kfst>my favourite is when someone joins to a random #debian channel with "555_H4cK_666"-like name, and asks why can't find winamp in kubuntu or sthing :D
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20:13<thx1138>vlc :D
20:13<Vampire> Isn't winamp a KDE program?
20:13<kfst>not specifically you
20:13*Vampire is just joking
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20:16<kfst>yesterday I met with the agressive "eLiTeHACK_17" who asked "HOW ON EARTH CAN I DECOMPRESS THOSE F***IN RAR FILES????????????!!!!!!!!!!!"
20:16<kfst>i love them
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20:32<babilen>!nickometer 555_H4cK_666
20:32<dpkg>'555_H4cK_666' is 75.000% lame, babilen
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20:35<kfst>wtf nickometer
20:35<kfst>!nickometer kfst
20:35<dpkg>'kfst' is 0.000% lame, kfst
20:35<kfst>!nickometer eLiTeHACK_17
20:35<dpkg>'eLiTeHACK_17' is 99.820% lame, kfst
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20:36<edhunter>heh nice feature
20:36<kfst>!nickometer LinusTorvalds
20:36<dpkg>'LinusTorvalds' is 0.000% lame, kfst
20:36<kfst>!nickometer BillGates
20:36<dpkg>'BillGates' is 0.000% lame, kfst
20:38<adb>kfst, wtf , stop it .please
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21:34<alvarezp>In Debian Sid, I can no longer burn CDs and the camera folder doesn't appear automatically (I have to use gphoto2 from the CLI).
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21:34<alvarezp>I would like to know if the current state is broken for some things or not.
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21:36<bremner>alvarezp: did you check the BTS?
21:36*bremner thinks of IT Crowd
21:36<alvarezp>bremner: for what package?
21:37<bremner>alvarezp: what application is broken?
21:37<alvarezp>bremner: None I tried recently for burning.
21:37<alvarezp>brasero, nautilus... I think I tried k9copy
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21:39<bremner>I suppose wodim is the obvious suspect
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21:41<alvarezp>bremner: so, is brasero and nautilus a front-end for wodim?
21:41<bremner>alvarezp: I just looked at apt-cache depends brasero
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21:42<bremner>actually I looked at apt-cache show brasero
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21:44<alvarezp>bremner: what package does the camera-mounting thing?
21:44<bremner>maybe the sid version doesn't depend on wodim actually.
21:44<bremner>alvarezp: no idea about camera mounding
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21:51<bremner>alvarezp: yeah, brasero doesn't use wodim anymore. Maybe you can start by seeing if wodim works, the eliminates all of the bling libraries
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21:55<themoops>how long do debian updates occur for? 2 years?
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22:57<twb>I installed apt-listchanges and then did an "aptitude safe-upgrade", but it didn't list the new changes
22:57<twb>What else do I have to do to make apt-listchanges integrate with apt-get/aptitude?
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22:59<adb>twb, wait a week or so
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23:03<bgat>will the squeeze version of iceowl and/or the iceowl icedove plugin sync with Google calendar?
23:03<bgat>... and if so, is there a URL I can consult? I can't seem to make it work after googling for a while myself...
23:05<paranoidphreak>hi everybody, i was just wondering if amd processors support x86 or something else?
23:06<twb>adb: I don't understand.
23:06<adb>twb, 'compare a new version of a package with the one currently installed', so as 'currently installed' are the same with 'new version' has nothing to compare
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23:07<twb>adb: um, they're not. I installed apt-listchanges two weeks ago, and I had pending changes. aptitude safe-upgrade was not a noop.
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23:08<bgat>paranoidphreak: the "typical" AMD processors are x86 and amd-64, but I think AMD also has a line of MIPS-based chips too
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23:09<adb>twb, i used it only whit apt-get install .. and worked
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23:09<twb>adb: I mean, I can see it *appears* to be integrated in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges
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23:10<paranoidphreak>bgat: ok, thanks, i'm planning on getting a new system and was thinking of trying amd for a change
23:10<bgat>paranoidphreak: I think your pocketbook will be very happy :)
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23:11<twb>adb: where is it supposed to list the changes? On the console where you're running apt-get, right?
23:11<adb>twb, that was some times ago , now i'm on lenny (on this machine)
23:12<twb>adb: hmm, "The default is to display only news."
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23:13<twb>Maybe no upgrades have had debian/NEWS files
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23:14<adb>twb, 'changelog and NEWS'
23:14<paranoidphreak>bgat: yup, intel took over the market and ppl got stuck in their mind intel is better than anything else
23:15<adb>twb, they come in apt-get install process . IIR
23:15<bgat>paranoidphreak: well, they *do* make pretty good chips; it's just that people seem to forget sometimes that AMD does too!
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23:17<adb>twb, oh, maybe i misread and think to apt-listbugs , sorry
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23:26<twb>adb: apt-listBUGS is working fine :-)
23:27<twb>I also wanted a way to abort when a "feature" gets brought in :-)
23:28<adb>twb, yes , but i saw bugs that's fakebugs too , so get false alerts
23:29<adb>s/ that's/ that are
23:30<twb>I can tolerate false positives
23:32<twb>adb: sweet, it works
23:32<twb>It now pops up w3m with clickable Closes:, showing the changes since the last install.
23:32<twb>Similar to hitting C in aptitude's GUI
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23:45<jeff>Anyone know why my intel Wifi card wouldn't be showning up in the Lenny network manager?
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23:46<twb>Because NetworkManager is a steaming pile of crap.
23:46<Guest1827>Its a fairly standard card and it works with every other distro I've installed OOTB
23:46<Guest1827>What do you use twb?
23:46<twb>Because I'm a Real Man, I use wpasupplicant.conf, and if I need to add a new AP, I do it with an editor.
23:47<twb>But I'm given to understand that wicd and wifi-radar are less stupid than NM -- at the very least, they leave your 802.1 wired interfaces alone.
23:47<Guest1827>Heh WICD blows
23:47<Guest1827>Network manager is MUCH better
23:47<Guest1827>Going to try updating it
23:48<Guest1827>lspci lists my card so that means it is just an issue with NM-Applet
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23:48<gsimmons>Guest1827: At least confirm you have a wireless interface available (e.g. ifconfig -a), before you start debugging NetworkManager.
23:49<Jeff91>It is not listed in ifconfig gsimmons
23:49<Jeff91>Kernel issue then?
23:50<gsimmons>Jeff91: Lack of driver, probably. What is its PCI ID?
23:51<Jeff91>This info? 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5300 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
23:51<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Jeff91 -about iwlagn
23:52<gsimmons>sney: No, driver too. :)
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23:52<Jeff91>dpkg: bpo
23:52<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list>
23:52<sney>ah, I always forget about the 2.6.26 thing because I run squeeze.
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23:52<sney>Jeff91: please /msg dpkg to reduce channel spam
23:52<Jeff91>So I just want to grab the newer kernel from backports then?
23:53<Jeff91>sney is there also a kernel in there that supports PAE? I need 4 gigs of RAM
23:54<sney>should be. look in the repo.
23:54<Jeff91>any idea what the name would have in it so I can apt-cache search?
23:55<adb>-bigmem ?
23:55<adb>PAE is xen ?
23:56<dpkg>Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x. It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. Ask me about <bigmem>.
23:56<Jeff91>found it, bigmem was it
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