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---Logopened Mon Mar 22 00:00:22 2010
00:01<Jeff91>Sad fact when I have to search for how to install something on Ubuntu to find the method for installing it on Debian
00:01<Jeff91>>.<
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00:01<adb>'the' method is the same
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00:03<adb>twb, but may use http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/selinux/?sc=0 to compare packages
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00:03<adb>s/packages / changelogs +
00:03<twb>adb: hmm?
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00:08<Jeff91>How do I add non-free codecs to Lenny? I added this to my sources.list and it still can't find them "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main"
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00:13<adb>!dmm lenny
00:13<dpkg>To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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00:20<Jeff91>Is there no longer a w32codecs package for Lenny?
00:20<Jeff91>I keep finding refernce to it all over the net but its not in the multimedia repos
00:20<sney>it was probably replaced by something
00:21<Jeff91>brb rebooting into new kernel, hopefully wifi works then
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00:26<adb>sney, they are, in non-free
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00:35<jeff_>I just installed the newer kernel in Lenny so my Intel wifi card would work. It now shows up when I run ifconfig -a, however wicd and network manager cannot see any wireless networks with it
00:36<gsimmons>jeff_: You did install firmware-iwlwifi from lenny-backports, right?
00:36<adb>jeff_, , they are, add non-free to dmm
00:37<jeff_>gsimmons do I need to reboot or can I just restart the networking daemo after I add those for it to take effect?
00:39<gsimmons>jeff_: Reloading the module (modprobe -r iwlagn && modprobe iwlagn) is sufficient, though even that may not be necessary. A reboot certainly is not.
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00:41<jeff_>gsimmons adding that firmware package did not help
00:41<sney>jeff_: one thing you need to remember as a linux user is that unlike windows, linux does not need to reboot every time to cough or fart.
00:42<jeff_>I'm aware sney, been using *nix for awhile now. Its just the last time I had to fight with a distro this much to get things wokring was the week I tried Gentoo
00:42<gsimmons>jeff_: What does "dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi | tail -1" return?
00:43<jeff_>gsimmons Version 0.14+lenny2
00:43<gsimmons>jeff_: Wrong version. You need 0.17~bpo50+1 from lenny-backports for the required firmware.
00:44<gsimmons>See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn if you haven't already.
00:44<jeff_>Ahh, I feel like I'm using so much from backports I might as well just swap over to squeeze >.<
00:45<sney>that's always an option.
00:45<jeff_>Just restart my networking interface after I update that firmware?
00:47<jeff_>Should my wifi work OOTB with squeeze sney or will I still need to go grab these fireware packages?
00:47<sney>jeff_: you'd still need the firmware. all firmware is packaged separately.
00:48<sney>but the kernel support would be there.
00:48<jeff_>Does testing crash all over the places?
00:48<jeff_>I don't mind issues now and then but I like a decent amount of stability
00:49<jeff_>For instance, I would never use an Ubuntu alpha release. They are buggy like no other
00:49<sney>testing is stable enough for everyday desktop use.
00:49<sney>sid is the one you have to watch out for.
00:49<jeff_>Good enough for me.
00:49<sney>I'm currently running testing on all of my systems except a development webserver that needs php 5.2
00:50<jeff_>sney does it use Gnome 2.28?
00:50<sney>judd: versions gnome
00:50<jeff_>Thats something I really got used to on Ubuntu
00:50<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+6; squeeze: 1:2.28+6
00:50<sney>looks like a yes
00:50<jeff_>Thank gods!
00:51<jeff_>I <3 the updated network manager in it
00:51<sney>(eww, network manager)
00:51<jeff_>Curse my internet for being slow
00:51<jeff_>Hey, it tethers to my smart phone and connects to my wifi at school
00:51<jeff_>Two things wicd fails to do
00:51<sney>jeff_: make sure you follow dpkg's instructions for upgrading to testing. /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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00:51<jeff_>sney is it safe to just upgrade or should I just format?
00:52<jeff_>Don't really have any data on here atm
00:52<sney>upgrading is safe provided you follow the directions and don't skip any steps, but if you don't have any data just getting the testing netinst installer is probably no slower
00:53<jeff_>I'll do that then, that ISO is almost done downloading anywho
00:53*jeff_ goes to find a CD
00:53<adb>!live
00:53<dpkg>from memory, live is The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://live.debian.net/cdimage. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net.
00:53<sney>adb: surely I don't have to make dpkg tell you about selftell.
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00:54<adb>jeff_, ^^
00:54<sney>he's already got the netinst downloaded you bonehead
00:54<jeff_>Almost downloaded ;)
00:54<jeff_>My internet maxes at 150kb/sec :(
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00:56<jeff_>Anyone recommend a good partition layout? In the past I've always just done 100meg /boot 30gig / and the rest to /home
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00:56<sney>I just use the whole / and put my files on the network
00:57<jeff_>I like to keep at least /boot separate
00:57<sney>well just do your thing, with modern drives it's hard to make anything too small
00:58<jeff_>haha yep
00:58<jeff_>Just got a 640gig 2.5 inch last month
00:58<jeff_>shame they don't make 1tb drives for it yet
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01:06<jeff_>reinstalling peace
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01:22<salahuddin>I have setup a kiosk using debian (with blackbox). But when I press the power button it kills the X server and hangup.
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01:23<salahuddin>If I exit the X server then press power button, it is working fine. Any hints ?
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01:26<adb>never press power button , use 'shutdown -h now' //
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01:27<sney>adb: acpi shutdown executes that, usually
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01:37<aaj>hi all,is there any document for creating Live cum install cd for debian like ubuntu
01:37<paultag>aaj, try Debian Live :)
01:37<paultag>aaj, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/
01:38<aaj>paultag, thanks\
01:38<paultag>aaj, sure
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01:50<salahuddin>adb: I was trying to configure it so that the kiosk admin use the power button.
01:51<adb>admin ? home cleaner maybe
01:52<salahuddin>adb: yap it will used in some rural villages :)
01:52<paultag>salahuddin, rebind the power button to run that command. It would also be worthwhile to track down why that is going on, you should be able to use the power button
01:52<paultag>The power button should send a signal to shutdown, and is just as safe as shutdown -h now, if you are sure that is how the hardware behaves
01:53<salahuddin>paultag: It shows caught singal 15 (after killing X server). But if I exit the X server from blackbox and press the power it works fine.
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01:53<salahuddin>paultag: I am thinking if it a X server specific problem (i have started it using startx).
01:53<paultag>salahuddin, interesting. How are you spawning the session?
01:54<paultag>Ahha. are you using exec or as a user process on *sh salahuddin?
01:54<salahuddin>i have edited the /etc/inittab then added startx in nano .xinitrc
01:54<paultag>Ah, OK.
01:54<salahuddin>opps startx in bash_profile
01:55<paultag>Interesting. I think it might be a configuration issue salahuddin. Is it respawning a lot?
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01:56<salahuddin>paultag: nope
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01:57<paultag>salahuddin, does it execute the shutdown scripts?
01:58<paultag>any of them *
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01:58<salahuddin>paultag: I guess after it kills the X server, it could not call the shutdown.
01:59<salahuddin>paultag: thats why when I exit the X server and press power button it is working fine. (i am not using any XDM/GDM) I guess that handles the powerbutton issue.
01:59<paultag>yeah.
01:59<salahuddin>paultag: just trying to find the exact problem.
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01:59<paultag>salahuddin, there must be an issue with the way that X11 is started. Try making a new script, and have it call startx, then on the next line handle shutdown?
02:00<paultag>salahuddin, that can't handle blackbox restarts, but it will do it cleanly, I guess
02:00<paultag>( off / on )
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02:00<salahuddin>paultag: Okey, I will try to find it.
02:01<adb>salahuddin, how much RAM has the box ?
02:01<salahuddin>adb: It has 512/1024 MB ram (I am using AMD64 kernel).
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02:02<adb>salahuddin, good , try debirf , it build ALL system in RAM , so button stop may work
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02:03<edinho>Hi all
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02:04<salahuddin>adb: thanks for debirf idea.
02:05<prem>hi..am not gettting splash image in my squeeze., even after enabling it in gconf-editor
02:06<prem>is there anything else i need to enable for splash..?
02:06<dr|z3d>splash image where?
02:06<dr|z3d>and what splash loader are you using?
02:06<prem>just after login page dr|z3d
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02:07<dr|z3d>you're better without it. :)
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02:07<prem>am not talking about usplash or splashy dr|z3d
02:07<dr|z3d>I know. I refer you to the comment I made some moments ago. :)
02:07<dr|z3d>You have better things to tweak, Trust me. :)
02:08<adb>salahuddin, get some debirf system from here http://144.85.45.157/iso/ , note images > 100 MB has graphic
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02:09<salahuddin>adb: downloading....
02:09<adb>ok, feedback are welcome
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02:14<adb>salahuddin, you may join #debirf too ;)
02:14<edinho>Someone come to the international forum of free software?
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02:14<edinho>11.0
02:14<edinho>at june
02:16<Nitro>how make enter root in my debian???
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02:17<adb>Nitro, ?
02:18<muzy>Nitro, maybe you disabled the root login.
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02:19<Nitro>i nedd revoke permition
02:19<edinho>Nitro, sudo is active?
02:20<adb>Nitro, no use 'su' to enter root
02:20<adb>edinho, sudo is not installed by default in debian
02:20<Nitro>i ghess rhigt!!
02:21<edinho>its installed by default in debian
02:21<Nitro>a moment please
02:21<edinho>or no
02:21<edinho>wt
02:21<adb>!br
02:21<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
02:21<edinho>ill search
02:21<edinho>oh
02:21<Nitro>my english is very bad
02:21<edinho>not installed,
02:21<edinho>sorry
02:22<Nitro>but in portugues not body!!!
02:22<edinho>fala portugues?
02:23<adb>Nitro, /j #debian-br
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02:23<Nitro>sim
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02:24<edinho>Nitro, fala no debian br
02:24<Nitro>pois e la ninguem responde
02:24<edinho>fala comigo la
02:24<Nitro>to indo
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02:37<marius>hi if i want do remove gnome-games oder evoultion and then use autoremove he want to remove all nome apps, how can i solve that?
02:38<edinho>uninstall package-for-package
02:38<marius>ok and what does package for package do?
02:39<marius>ah oaky xD
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02:40<edinho>autoremove explodes ur system many times
02:40<marius>but why should i un install it package for package i just want to uninstall some packages and then he wants to remove all
02:41<adb>!remove gnome
02:41<dpkg>To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
02:41<edinho>marius, what packs u have to uninstall?
02:41<marius>gnome-games, evoultion, abiword and some else
02:42<marius>!purge
02:42<dpkg>In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>.
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02:43<marius>hm no that didnt solve my problem
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03:36<lennyfan>installed squeeze with encrypted LVM, but when booting, it uses the US keyboard layout instead of the German one, used during installation... how do I fix that?
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03:37<lennyfan>i guess i need to somehow include the german layout in the initrd image
03:39<jm_>!keymap
03:39<dpkg>To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments.
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03:39<jm_>ahh you probably need to type a password in initrd?
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03:40<lennyfan>jm_: thanks, but the keymap is correctly applied later in the boot process... the problem is typing the passphrase for LUKS as first step, to even unlock the disk
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03:40<jm_>lennyfan: right
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03:42<edinho>cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/xxx YOURNAMETODEVICE
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03:42<jm_>lennyfan: you can set a keymap for initramfs-tools in the config file
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03:42<lennyfan>oops, i just googled and found nothing (except adding loadkeys), i'll take a look... thanks
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03:43<jm_>lennyfan: man initramfs.conf, look for KEYMAP
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03:44<lennyfan>jm_: i remember this problem from lenny on my desktop... why doesn't d-i do this? is this a bug in d-i?
03:45<jm_>lennyfan: did you check if anyone reported this?
03:46<afsal>do any1 know how to connect usb modem
03:46<lennyfan>jm_: i browsed though the d-i bug list, found nothing with keymap, but that list is huge, i might habe missed it
03:47<lennyfan>jm_: there's noone now on #debian-boot, already asked... perhaps i should send a message to the debian-boot mailing list?
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03:52<jm_>lennyfan: or debian-users, not sure
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03:57<gonzalo>hola
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03:59<gonzalo>algun canal debian en español?
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03:59<lennyfan>gonzalo: how about #debian-es?
04:00<gonzalo>:) gracias lennyfan
04:00<gonzalo>bye
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04:00<lennyfan>gonzalo: de nada :)
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04:09<thomas>The tutorial I'm following (installing fglrx) says to use modprobe, which I was a little familiar with on ubuntu, but it doesn't seam to be installed or in my repos :\
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04:17<lennyfan1>thomas: fglrx is in non-free, you probably need to add that to your sources.list
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04:19<ant_>anyone know the current state of multiarch?
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04:28<jmm>hi.
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05:05<clin>is there any chance to recover deleted file under ext3?
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05:06<ssb>clin, http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html
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05:08<clin>sign~. that's just what I googled. I am stupid enough to rm my files! : (
05:08<clin>thanks for that ssb. : )
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05:46<a_wodara>fuck you
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06:07<Ericaaa>http://i906.photobucket.ath.cx/albums/ac255/blonde241/DSC93258432.jpg?t=1269252011 do my breasts look to big?
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06:40<k-man>whats the gnome volume app called?
06:42<cahoot>gnome-mixer-applet or such IIRC
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06:47<k-man>how do i diagnose no audio?
06:48<k-man>its a new install of testing
06:49<cahoot>start with speaker-test -t wav -c2 in a terminal
06:49<icebrain>!alsa-checklist
06:49<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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06:49<cahoot>obsolete
06:49<icebrain>really? sorry, then
06:50<k-man>don't have speakert-test
06:50<cahoot>k-man: so install alsa-utils
06:50<cahoot>also check spelling - speaker-test
06:50<k-man>cahoot: thanks - installing now
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06:52<k-man>ok, speaker test running, still no audio
06:52<cahoot>k-man: got more than one sound device? cat /proc/asound/cards
06:53<cahoot>which one corresponds to card0?
06:53<k-man>ahh... pcm was muted
06:53<jm_>so it's not obsolete
06:54<cahoot>mostly
06:54<k-man>jm_: well, the mute part wasn't :)
06:54<jm_>k-man: indeed
06:54<themill>cahoot: step (6) of that is about the only one that looks questionable
06:54<cahoot>alsa-utils fixes mute status and levels
06:54<cahoot>ok lets say it's overworked
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06:57<jm_>yeah it's much better now - it first tries to restore levels and if that fails unmutes, so I guess it's only problematic when people don't have it installed
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06:58<cahoot>IMO running speaker-test as first step gives a good start for diagnosis
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07:04<marcrouse>hi
07:04<icebrain>marcrouse: 'llo
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07:05<marcrouse>this is my room
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07:05<marcrouse>http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/1981/img09982.jpg
07:05<marcrouse>;p
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07:05<marcrouse>look
07:05<icebrain>!ot
07:05<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
07:05<marcrouse>icebrain: ot? what is ot?
07:06<jm_>you are ot
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07:06<marcrouse>i don't understand
07:07<icebrain>marcrouse: this channel is for Debian /support/
07:07<marcrouse>i know
07:07<marcrouse>and?
07:07<cahoot>marcrouse: the channel is for debian support - not interior design
07:07<jm_>ot=off topic
07:07<marcrouse>i m sorry
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07:11<weasel>still cool
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07:23<muzy>Has someone here experience with debirf?
07:23<muzy>I want to ask how to install it to a USB-Stick :)
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07:25<Aaj12>hi what live-installer package does?
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07:29<jm_>it's for d-i
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07:33<Aaj12>jm_,it's not used for creating live cd and install from using it
07:33<jm_>Aaj12: no, live-helper is the package for debian live cd-s
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07:34<jm_>but it doesn't support installation AFAIK (only via debootstrap)
07:34<Aaj12>jm_, thanks as well live-package is not avaialble in repository for current release
07:34<jm_>Aaj12: yeah, check the debian lvie web page, you'll find it there
07:35<jm_>!debian live
07:35<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. http://live.debian.net/ Note that the live CD doesn't currently come with a simple "install to hard disk" option (although ask me about <debootstrap>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net.
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07:38<glauco>What is the channel on C + + programming?
07:39<amphi>glauco: #c++ on freenode?
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07:40<glauco>on irc.debian.org
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07:42<Aaj12>jm_, like sidux ,ubuntu is any package available to install debian from live cd using clicking install icon in Live cd
07:43<jm_>Aaj12: I don't think so
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07:47<Ericaaa>http://i906.photobucket.ath.cx/albums/ac255/blonde241/DSC93258432.jpg?t=1269258037 do my breasts look to big?
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07:48<glauco>viruses?
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07:52<XayOn_Lap>glauco: No, i think actually her boobs are big
07:52<XayOn_Lap>glauco: (just kidding)
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07:56<amphi>she seems very anxious about it
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07:57<glauco>shut up
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08:38<muzy_>aloha :)
08:38<muzy_>what was the name of the debian image with the 2.6.32 kernel?
08:38<muzy_>I just forgot the name :/
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08:39<jm_>you mean kmuto?
08:40<muzy_>ah thanks :)
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09:16<piero>need help
09:17<jmm>need beer.
09:17<jmm>maybe we can make a deal :)
09:17<piero>i need help please
09:17<jmm>relax, and ask your question piero.
09:17<piero>i would like know how i can install key logger on ubuntu
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09:19<jm_>!tell piero -about ubuntu
09:20<glauco>uhaishdsad
09:20<piero>i would like to know how to install key logger on ubuntu
09:21<glauco>sudo apt-get install lkl
09:21<glauco>sudo lkl -l -k /usr/share/lkl/keymaps/us_km -o keylog1.file
09:21<glauco>keylog1.file <- log.
09:21<themill>glauco: it's great that you want to help people. Please help ubuntu users in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
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09:22<glauco>Debian is my help.
09:24<glauco>themill, help me since you are active. help with debian?
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09:25<themill>!ask
09:25<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:27<glauco>themill, I want to do a check on a Debian system 2.6.32-trunk-686. Check keylogger, etc..
09:27<glauco>What steps should I follow?
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09:40<RealMurphy>Hi all, this is probanly a no-brainer, but I cannot find the solution: I want to build a package with cowbuilder on amd64 and i386 and then inject it into a repo with reprepro, however, as I'm creating two distinct .changes of course the hashes disagree for the source file as they are not pristene tar'ed up, is there a way to create all that in one "go" (from two different base.cows)?
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09:44<ansgar>RealMurphy: Build only the binary packages in cowbuilder.
09:44<RealMurphy>ansgar: and then just inject the binary packages from one of the archs into reprepro?
09:45<RealMurphy>i.e. one with include and the rest with includedeb?
09:45<ansgar>RealMurphy: Yes. You probably can tell cowbuilder to build only binary packages as well (I know sbuild supports it).
09:46<ansgar>RealMurphy: You can just upload several .changes files. Or use mergechanges and upload only one.
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09:46<themill>debsign's --multi option can do that for you too, can't it?
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09:51<RealMurphy>that's something I will try! Thank you for the hints!
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09:54<aguitel>anyway to install amsn in squeeze
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10:17<luck>hola
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10:24<ravi>hi, apt-get update is stuck with "waiting for headers" , I have "deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" in soures.list, anything here wrong?
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10:26<babilen>ravi: Just stop it (CTRL-C) and run it again. It shouldn't be hard for you to debug what apt-get is waiting for though ..
10:26<ravi>ok
10:26<babilen>ravi: And I have no idea what the status of that third party mirror is
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10:27<ravi>ok, I will try with debian.org mirror
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10:28<babilen>ravi: Just checked - the mirror should work fine
10:28<babilen>well ..
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10:44<slashme>I've got a new usb bluetooth dongle in my Lenny box. I've installed the obexfs and bluez packages. As a normal user, I can successfully pick up my phone with "hcitool scan", but although I can ping it as root with l2ping, when I try that as a normal user, I get "Can't create socket: Operation not permitted". How do I set the correct permissions?
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10:45<slashme>tl;dr: How do I give a normal user permissions to use bluetooth devices on Lenny?
10:46<babilen>!desktop groups
10:46<dpkg>The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (usb disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>.
10:46<babilen>slashme: hmm, hoped it was in there
10:46<slashme>:-] me too!
10:47<slashme>!groups
10:47<dpkg>i heard groups is file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2
10:47<slashme>!group
10:47<dpkg>adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page. Also ask me about <groups>, <desktop groups>, <qotd221>
10:47<slashme>yeah, OK.
10:47<slashme>I saw the installer say that it was creating the "fuse" group, so I added myself to that group, but no dice.
10:48<babilen>slashme: That won't help much. I'm not sure if you need special permissions for bluetooth devices though. But you could check the permissions of the device ..
10:48<babilen>There is also http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser
10:48*slashme goes to check permissions...
10:49*slashme is reading the BluetoothUser page: looks good, thanks!
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11:14<raquelita>ola
11:15<@Ganneff>!es
11:15<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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11:28<buques>#devian
11:29<K|nG_4r7Ur>hola a todossssss
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11:36<sighK>what up everyone
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11:36<sighK>any good gnome programmers here
11:36<babilen>this is a Debian support channel - try irc.gnome.org
11:37*themill predicts that sighK really wanted one of the #ubuntu channels on irc.freenode.net
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11:37<sighK>i bet i dont
11:37<sighK>anyone know links for gnome tray programming
11:37<sighK>yeah, those people are dumb
11:37<sighK>the debian people are smart
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11:38<babilen>sighK: Ask in a gnome development channel. There are plenty over at irc.gnome.org - This is definitely not the right place :)
11:38<sighK>ok
11:38<sighK>will do
11:38<sighK>than you
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11:39<jthomas_sb>How can I turn off IPv6 on my Sid box? I've tried http://wiki.debianforum.de/IPv6Deaktivieren but the modules discussed aren't loaded at all, and lsmod doesn't seem to show anything ipv6 related, not net-pf-10
11:39<jthomas_sb>\\nor net-pf-10
11:40<themill>!noipv6
11:40<dpkg>[noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader.
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11:43<jthomas_sb>thanks themill
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11:51<schlurchz>Oh, speaking of IPv6 I have a question. On my box, localhost has addresses ::1 and 127.0.0.1. I have a web server that only listens on 127.0.0.1. Now when I connect with ApacheBench, it tries ::1:80, gets a "connection refused", and bails, it doesn't try IPv4. Is that an error on apachebench's side, or is the server wrongly configured, or both?
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11:57<bja>!es-social carmen
11:57<dpkg>carmen: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:03<padski>schlurchz, ab -n 1 http://127.0.0.1/
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12:06<schlurchz>padski: yeah, the workaround is obvious. I wonder what's the correct fix.
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12:10<schlurchz>Btw, while examining this, I found that in lenny, getaddrinfo() resolves 'localhost' to 127.0.0.1 first and then ::1. In squeeze the order has changed and ::1 comes first. I can neither find any corresponding changelog entry, or configuration change explaining this difference. Maybe someone here can tell me more about this?
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12:12<bja>The polarity of the earth is changing, therefore in order to keep all servers syncronized the change was made :)
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12:13<glauco>lol
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12:15<schlurchz>Well, it's not a esoteric change, it broke `ab <options> localhost/...'.
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12:15<owner>hey guys do you know how to print chm files? I tried using chm2pdf but it gives me an error
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12:15<themill>schlurchz: your apache should be listening on :::80 (the default config does that)
12:16<owner>ideally I would like to convert it to a pdf and then print it but if I can't convert then I guess just printing would be fine
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12:17<schlurchz>themill: hmm, yes, I thought that a correctly configured web server should listen at [::]:80. (It's not apache here but nginx, btw.) Then, is ab right in giving up after trying IPv6 only?
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12:19<themill>schlurchz: no idea what the nginx config does by default. Given that there is an ipv6 route that works, I *think* it's allowed to give up when there's nothing at the other end.
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12:21<schlurchz>themill: just as a sidenote, the default nginx config is ignoring IPv6. It's not difficult to add, though.
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12:21<schlurchz>themill: so you would consider the default config of nginx to be buggy?
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12:22<themill>schlurchz: it probably shouldn't ignore ipv6 these days.... but I only know enough about ipv6 to disable it when it causes me problems.
12:22<schlurchz>hehe
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12:23<themill>schlurchz: would such a change to the default config cause problems for people who don't have ipv6 around?
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12:23<schlurchz>themill: dunno
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12:24<owner>anyone?
12:24<schlurchz>themill: concerning Debian, we have IPv6 around :)
12:25<themill>schlurchz: hmm... perhaps "reportbug nginx" and report a wishlist bug it to support ipv6 out of the box. The maintainer can mark it wontfix and/or forward it upstream if it's going to cause problems to do so.
12:25<schlurchz>themill: that sounds reasonable.
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12:26<adb>themill, what's 'wontfix' ? 'we won't fix' ?
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12:27<schlurchz>adb: basically.
12:27<ml|>adb: yes
12:27<adb>thanks
12:27<themill>adb: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags
12:27<bja>adb: usually wontfix is a flag/message given to a bug for a certain release afaik
12:28<adb>cool, thanks all
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12:29<bja>themill: Copyright on that page should be put up to date :)
12:31<ml|>must have a lot of issues with ipv6 to have it's own tag
12:32<themill>ml|: indeed. It's been a lot of work from a lot of people over a lot of years to get it working
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12:33<adb>ipv6==lot^3
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12:34<ml|>good, when ipv6 is pervasive most things should work :)
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12:38<schlurchz>Hmm, googling suggests that trying all addresses returned by getaddrinfo() is "good practice", but not required.
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12:39<Jef91>The squeeze netinstall disc totally f***ed my partition setup when I installed it Help! http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=50415
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12:40<glauco>hahaha lol
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12:41<ml|>Jef91: file a bug please, if it is and not user error; is best to use stable installer and then move to testing
12:42<Jef91>Okie dokie :-/ I guess I'll just use a live CD to format my partitions before I actually install >.<
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12:43<ml|>should not need to if you use the stable installer, which should take care of that without any issues
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12:45<Jef91>ml| I want ext4
12:46<ml|>try with kmuto /msg dpkg kmuto
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12:47<retrospectacus>, versions php5-cli
12:47<judd>php5-cli -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; squeeze: 5.3.1-5; sid: 5.3.2-1
12:47<retrospectacus>, versions php5-common
12:47<judd>php5-common -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; squeeze: 5.3.1-5; sid: 5.3.2-1
12:48<ml|>retrospectacus: /msg judd works too ;)
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12:50<retrospectacus>for some reason my lenny box has php5-common v. 5.2.6.dfsg.1-2 - newer that what judd says is available
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12:51<ml|>possible that judd might be have it wrong; maybe check p.d.o and compare
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12:54<themill>retrospectacus: that's a very old sid-package not a lenny package
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13:10<coolworld>Is it possible to network boot a desktop to a wireless router and have my debian machne install debian via te laptop ?
13:11<bja>coolworld: if your wireless card is able to pxe-boot (which i doubt) there is no reason why not
13:11<coolworld>pxe-boot lost me there
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13:12<coolworld>sorr wrong window lol
13:12<coolworld>what is pxe-boot
13:12<bja>Is it possible to kill a tcp conection without kill the actual process that is running it
13:13<bja>coolworld: Long story short, try a standard cable to connect to the server
13:13<bja>coolworld: google pxe booting i think you will need it
13:13<ml|>!netboot
13:13<dpkg>i guess netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>.
13:14<ml|>bja: is that it? ^
13:14<coolworld>bja: desktop is going to be server, the desktop is going to be connected via cable, the only one others are connected via wireless...
13:14<bja>yep
13:14<ml|>the install guide should cover that
13:14<coolworld>honestly im just to lazy to goto the store and buy more cd's to burn lol..
13:15<ml|>heh, seems the way to go
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13:16<coolworld>and, i cant find the cd i did make to put on my new machine.
13:16<melmothX>coolworld: don't you have a usb-stick?
13:17<coolworld>just moved into my new appartment still lookin for the rest of my computer stuff right now
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13:19<ml|>coolworld: if you decide to use a usb method of install /msg dpkg usb install
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13:20<coolworld>nod still trying to find cd or usb drives
13:21<ml|>good luck
13:21<coolworld>I do have a 450gig external hardrive
13:21<sney>you could put the entire dvd set on there
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13:22<coolworld>yea, not to find the power cord, and usb to usb, i dont think i got the firewire connection with this new box
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13:26<knoppix_>hola
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13:26<coolworld>!usb
13:26<dpkg>[usb] (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: many devices can be connected to simultaneously. USB 3.0 is supported by the Linux kernel since 2.6.31. http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html http://www.linux-usb.org/
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13:31<coolworld>sweet found my external awesome lol
13:31<sockmister>fluxbox ? Boot up .my wbar comes up in a window . anyway not to be in a window.
13:33<glauco>translators?
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13:38<coolworld>hrmph laptop isnt seeing the external
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13:55<bgat>does the squeeze version of iceowl support Google Calendar?
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13:55<bgat>it looks to me like it doesn't, but it could also be that I just can't figure out how to use it :)
13:56<ml|>iceowl?
13:56<sney>good question
13:56<sney>is that the deb-rebranded thunderturd?
13:56<bgat>yep
13:56<bgat>but I'm open to working alternatives...
13:56<themill>,info iceowl
13:57<judd>iceowl (web, optional): Standalone Calendar Application. Version: 0.8-6; Size: 7497.1k; Installed: 23292k
13:57<themill>sunbird (not thunderbird)...
13:57<sney>ah
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13:57<ml|>themill: thanks dpkg had no factiod on that
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13:58<themill>make it so!
13:58<ml|>hehe
13:59<sney>refer to <why iceweasel> while you're at it.
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13:59<bgat>themill: make *what* so? make iceowl support Google Calendar? I found this url that says it already does: http://www.google.com/support/calendar/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=99358#sunbird
13:59<themill>bgat: I was talking to ml|. I know nothing about iceowl.
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14:00<bgat>w00t! nevermind, I just followed those directions again, and it works now. :) :)
14:00*bgat blushes
14:00<XayOn_Lap>bgat: and u just failed lol
14:01<coolworld>waits ugh have to unload my external blech
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14:04<coolworld>so i should use netboot with usb install ?
14:04<bgat>next question. I'm getting this:
14:04<bgat>apt-get install gcc ... gcc: Depends: gcc-4.4 (>= 4.4.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
14:05<bgat>is gcc not currently installable under squeeze?
14:05<bgat>gcc-4.3 works fine, but I don't recall how to tell debian to use that package for "gcc" instead of gcc-4.4...
14:06<sney>if you're installing compiler tools the way to do it is to install build-essential
14:06<bgat> build-essential: Depends: g++ (>= 4:4.3.1) but it is not going to be installed
14:06<sney>and use aptitude, it has better conflict handling
14:07<themill>bgat: using aptitude rather than apt-get can help by providing useful error messages and better solutions
14:07<bgat>ok, I'll try that now
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14:09<bgat>it said that to resolve the problem, it would have to downgrade some toolchain packages that I (inadvertently) downloaded from emdebian.
14:09<bgat>... so I said "sure, why not". :)
14:09<sney>well there you go
14:09<bgat>apt-get probably knew that too :)
14:09<sney>aptitude figures things out when apt-get just gives up. I don't even use apt-get anymore.
14:10<babilen>coolworld: you can use whatever image you want to use
14:10*bgat is going to start using aptitude, too
14:10*babilen waves
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14:11<bgat>wow, I'm batting 1.000 on #debian today. nice! I had better leave now that I've jinxed myself. :)
14:12<bgat>thanks very much, everyone!
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14:35<frank_>hello
14:35<kevin>hi
14:36<frank_>kevin have we met?
14:37<frank_>usually on surrey
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14:38<kevin>frank: no, I don't think so
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14:43<frank_>kevin: never mind, I am in East Preston
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14:43<kevin>I'm in France ^^
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14:44<frank_>kevin: how nice I used to live there!
14:44<kevin>where ? I'm next to Lille
14:45<frank_>kevin: I used to be at CERN in Geneva a long time ago
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14:45<coolworld>hrmph got it to boot off the external but it just says boot error
14:45*ml| points to #debian-offtopic
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14:46<kevin>frank: it's a bit far from me
14:46<coolworld>ml|: all i need to do it just zcat the image over to the external right ?
14:46<frank_>kevin: too right
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14:47<ml|>coolworld: never done a done a usb install /msg dpkg usb install should explain
14:47<coolworld>ive been reading it :)
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14:47<frank_>kevin: back in a bit
14:47<ml|>maybe someone else can help
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14:50<bja>If i send a mail to me@mydomain will not deliver, if i send the same mail me@[my.ip] it will deliver, the trouble is on the dns records right?
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15:01<retrospectacus>bja: could be, and/or your mail server
15:02<bja>retrospectacus: I'm talking a look, but everything seems to point the other way, thx
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15:04<retrospectacus>bja: you need the MX record for the domain like: mydomain.com IN MX mail.mydomain.com.
15:04<retrospectacus>and the corresponding A record for mail
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15:05<retrospectacus>when you send and it "does not deliver" do you get any error message?
15:05<retrospectacus>non-delivery report from your SMTP?
15:07<bja>i get nothing, like it went into oblivion, lost in cyberspace
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15:08<bja>retrospectacus: I believe exchange and postfix are killing eachother on the darkside :(
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15:09<bja>postfix to postfix i have no trouble :(
15:09<retrospectacus>well does "dig -t mx mydomain.com" tell you the correct IP/name of your server?
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15:10<retrospectacus>Exchange = the devil
15:10<bja>That one i know well :(
15:11<bja>nop, mx records es to a different server, guess i 'll hav to fix that also :(
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15:17<epifanio>hi All
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15:17<epifanio>i fixed the grub , now i'm running sidux from the internal drive
15:17<epifanio>:-)
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15:19<epifanio>i've question about the video driver, i'm reading the manual page, but i can't find a solution to enable 3d on my card "ati" i added non-free and i installed firmware linux, but my xorg.conf come from : X -configure
15:19<epifanio>need i to delete it ?
15:19<zumbi>!hi, mysql-server-5.1 is uninstallable here (#545751) Someone knows a working work arround?
15:20<zumbi>dpkg: mysql-server
15:20<dpkg>To install the MySQL server, "aptitude install mysql-server". You might also want to "aptitude install php5-mysql" and ask me about <install apache2><install php>. Also check out the <phpmyadmin> package. See also <mysql checking>, <mysql memory usage>.
15:20<zumbi>dpkg: ati
15:20<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>, <mach64>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net).
15:20<ml|>epifanio: using debian or sidux?
15:20<ml|>zumbi: /msg dpkg selftell
15:22<epifanio>sidux .. so i can't aske here , sorry. apologize me
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15:23<ml|>epifanio: /jion #sidux
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15:25<epifanio>yes i did, thanks
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15:29<Guest1909>hi all, i got a problem with bind9, it seems to have stopped doing dns recursion
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15:30<Guest1909>its a old debian sarge server, Version: 1:9.2.4-1sarge3
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15:31<Guest1909>it resolves local domains, but no recursion,
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15:35<kop>Guest1909: It's unlikely, but maybe the upstream resolvers won't talk to something that old? What does the log/errors/etc say?
15:36<kop>Guest1909: Or your isp has blocked you.
15:36<Guest1909>hi kop, i cant find much in the logs, where should i look ?
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15:37<kop>Guest1909: /var/log/daemon.log You could also up the verbosity.
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15:38<kop>Guest1909: Have you tried using dig to resolve at an authortative server on the net?
15:38<Guest1909>nothing in /var/log/daemon.log, only the upstart messages
15:38<kop>Guest1909: Or perhaps the root hints file is so old you can't get at the root zones any more.
15:39<Guest1909>dig on remote server works, and bind is correctly resolving local domains
15:39<Guest1909>it just stopped working yesterday
15:39<kop>Guest1909: Are your root hints up to date?
15:39<Guest1909>maybe not, where would i get recent ones ?
15:40<kop>Guest1909: Once upon a time at networksolutions. Maybe at isc.org or arpa?
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15:41<kop>Guest1909: Likely wikipedia will point you in the right direction.
15:42<weasel>wouldn't iana be the place?
15:42<Guest1909>kop, thanks to your help i found the problem
15:42<weasel>yup. there it is http://www.internic.net/zones/named.root
15:42<Guest1909>i switched to orsn rootservers a few years ago
15:43<Guest1909>seems they shut down in 2008....
15:43<weasel>yup
15:43<Guest1909>going back to root.db helped
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15:45<cvr>just testing
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15:46<cvr>Ok not very bussy here
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15:48<cvr>I just installed xchat in Debian squeeze and it seems too work, cool
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15:48<Hypcrum>Anyone know how to start a process from a init.d script?
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15:49<babilen>Hypcrum: Well, run it?
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15:50<Hypcrum>well from some tutorials ive seen they say to use a function like daemon.. and i forget the other one but they dont seem to work in debian
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15:50<babilen>!init.d
15:50<dpkg>/etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags>
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15:50<babilen>Hypcrum: looking for something like that ^^^^ ?
15:51<Hypcrum>babilen: Let me check out the skeleton
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15:53<Hypcrum>babilen: Thanks alot! I can probably pull what I need from this template.
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15:54<babilen>Hypcrum: great
15:56<cvr>Can someone tell me why I can't control a remote desktop with the mouse with the Remote Desktop Viewer or Remmina?
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15:57<cvr>It seems that the screen doesn't refresh after a mouse action
15:58<frinsk>hi where do i find 700MB boot.img usb images to boot from full cd size iso's ?
15:58<cvr>When I close the connection and reopen it, you can see previously made changes
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15:59<ml|>frinsk: if you are trying to do a usb install /msg dpkg usb install
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16:01<Hypcrum>cvr: do you happen to be running compiz on either pc?
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16:01<cvr>Hypcrum: yes I do on the remote machine
16:01<Hypcrum>cvr: try disabling it.. i used to have that problem
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16:02<cvr>Ok I am running downstairs and try. Give me 5 minutes.
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16:07<cvr>Thank you Hypcrum, I disabled compiz and everything working fine now :-))
16:08<babilen>!lart compiz
16:08*dpkg duct-tapes compiz to the floor and drools on him
16:08<Hypcrum>cvr: anytime! :D
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16:11<coolworld>ml|: seems like i got it to work now.
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16:12<ml|>!congratulate coolworld
16:12<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies coolworld, you did it!
16:12<coolworld>sweet
16:12<coolworld>haha
16:12<coolworld>got kinda confusing but i tihnk ill be okay now
16:12<ml|>great :)
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16:12<coolworld>the instructions fail to mention you have to stick the iso on there as well
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16:13<coolworld>hrmm. encrypted lm or lvm
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16:17<Hypcrum>start-stop-daemomn: command not found.... *rage*
16:18<ml|>coolworld: too help improve that section; sending a message to the ML ... http://lists.debian.org/debian-doc/ would help
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16:19<coolworld>yea workin on it now, just trying to get my box back up, little anoying not trying to just let it dump the whole hd into /, or deciding to split it up..
16:19<bremner>Hypcrum: err, check spelling?
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16:19<aguitel>anyone know how install amsn in squeeze ?
16:20<Hypcrum>bremner: I copied the template :P
16:20<dondelelcaro>aguitel: aptitude install amsn;
16:20<Hypcrum>ahh... I might know the problem
16:21<aguitel>dondelelcaro, not find it
16:21<ml|>seems amsn is not in testing atm
16:21<ml|>judd versions amsn
16:21<judd>amsn -- etch: 0.95+dfsg2-0.3; lenny: 0.97.2~debian-1; sid: 0.98.1-2
16:21<aguitel>ml|, and ?
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16:21<dondelelcaro>aguitel: which architecture?
16:21<dondelelcaro>(it actually is in testing for some architectures)
16:21<aguitel>dondelelcaro, 32bits
16:22<ml|>ah
16:22<dondelelcaro>aguitel: you mean i386, presumably.
16:22<aguitel>http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/amsn
16:22<rivon>I may have found a bug... libgl1-mesa-dev package should install libGL.so, but it isn'T installed
16:22<aguitel>dondelelcaro, si
16:22<dondelelcaro>aguitel: you can either install the version from unstable, or the version from stable using wget and dpkg -i as appropriate
16:22<aguitel>dondelelcaro, i can{t do it
16:22<dondelelcaro>aguitel: why not?
16:23<aguitel>dependences problems
16:23<ml|>dondelelcaro: so judd only lists if it's in i386?
16:23<dondelelcaro>aguitel: so fix the dependency problems?
16:23<dondelelcaro>ml|: apparently
16:23<ml|>ok
16:23<dondelelcaro>ml|: rmadison is really the way to go if you want to know exactly what is in the archive
16:23<aguitel>dondelelcaro, i don tknow how i do that
16:24<dondelelcaro>aguitel: you need to provide the output of running apt-get -f install; or similar.
16:24<coolworld>ml|: just realized when my 2 terra drives come in at the begenning of the month im going to have to redo the box more than likely at least this is a good learning experience :)
16:24<Hypcrum>yay! Got it.
16:24<themill>ml|, dondelelcaro: all judd's commands accept an "--arch foo" argument. There's also "arches packagename" to list the arches it's available for.
16:25<ml|>dondelelcaro: rmadison?
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16:25<dondelelcaro>themill: is judd using the public madison interface?
16:25<themill>it just defaults to "--arch i386"
16:25<themill>dondelelcaro: no. That is sufficiently no-workee and slow to be prohibitive. It has it's own udd instance
16:25<ml|>themill: ah, good to know thanks
16:26<dondelelcaro>rivon: it does install that, actually... if you don't have it, it's either been diverted, or you haven't actually installed it, or you've removed it manually.
16:26<ml|>coolworld: good :)
16:26<dondelelcaro>themill: ah, ok
16:26<rivon>it wasn't there
16:27<rivon>I didn't remove it manually
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16:27<dondelelcaro>rivon: what does dpkg-divert --list|grep GL output?
16:27<dondelelcaro>rivon: and what does ls -l /usr/lib/libGL*; output?
16:27<aguitel>dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/w0d7yp6r
16:28<RackHack>looking for help updating postgresql8.2.7 package to 8.2.16 - I downloaded the old and new source, ran uupdate fine - but debuild fails patching with "cant find file to patch at input line x" even tho file exists
16:28<dondelelcaro>aguitel: so download and install amsn-data from unstable too
16:28<themill>dondelelcaro: rmadison also doesn't do things like backports.org, debian-multimedia.org and can't do some of the other dependency resolution things that you can do if you've got the entire archive sitting in a db
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16:28<dondelelcaro>themill: yerp
16:29<aguitel>dondelelcaro, there are 3 version from amsn-data
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16:29<dondelelcaro>themill: well, actually it does to backports.org, and a few other things... they just have to support the right query cgi
16:29<themill>dondelelcaro: yeah, you can do it if you set up multiple CGI-queries from the bot at the same time :S
16:29<ml|>aguitel: if you want to do this using aptitude /msg dpkg tum
16:29<aguitel>dondelelcaro, see that:http://packages.debian.org/sid/amsn
16:29<dondelelcaro>aguitel: yes, and you have to install 0.98.1-2
16:30<RackHack>man debuild
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16:30<rivon>dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/fueWKHNP
16:30<Hypcrum>Is there anyway to run a program in the background but then pull it up from any session of that user?
16:30<weasel>screen
16:31<rivon>and in theyes
16:31<rivon>error
16:31*ml| loves screen
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16:31<rivon>screen ;)
16:31<Hypcrum>Thanks guys : ]
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16:32<dondelelcaro>rivon: and so, as you can tell, you've installed nvidia-glx which sets up a diversion so that /usr/lib/libGL.so doesn't get installed.
16:32<Hypcrum>Wow... screens are awesome!
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16:33<ml|>Hypcrum: screen can do a lot man screen :)
16:33<Hypcrum>I can see that :D!
16:33<Hypcrum>well... there in no manual for screen
16:33<Hypcrum>on my install atleast >.>
16:33<weasel>um
16:34<Hypcrum>i'm dumb. xD
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16:35<ml|>Hypcrum: if you want easy setup of screen install byobu
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16:36<Hypcrum>Acually.... i got to get going I'll look into this later, Thanks alot!
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16:36<RackHack>can somebody help me out with updating a postgresql package?
16:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 423] by debhelper
16:37<babilen>RackHack: Updating?
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16:38<RackHack>yep - i need to update the package for internal use, from 8.2.7 to 8.2.16
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16:39<babilen>,versions postgresql-server
16:39<judd>Sorry, no package named 'postgresql-server' was found.
16:39<babilen>,versions postgresql
16:39<judd>postgresql -- etch: 7.5.22; etch-backports: 8.3.9-0lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 8.3.9-0lenny1; lenny-security: 8.3.9-0lenny1; sid: 8.4.1-1; lenny-backports: 8.4.2-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 8.4.2-2; sid: 8.4.3-1
16:40<RackHack>it's on packages.ubuntu.com under hardy
16:40<babilen>RackHack: Which version of debian are you using? How did you install postgresql? How do you plan to upgrade it?
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16:41<aguitel>dondelelcaro, i installed amsn-data_0.98.1-2 and then ?
16:41<C4p4bl4nc4>#debian-br
16:41<babilen>RackHack: Sorry - Ubuntu packages are not supported in here. And mixing Ubuntu and Debian is a *really* bad idea.
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16:41<RackHack>Sorry - i thought this irc was for help with debian style pacakges
16:41<C4p4bl4nc4>#debian
16:42<babilen>RackHack: You should rather install postgresql from source to /usr/local (check out stow) and ask for support in #postgresql @ irc.freenode.net
16:42<dondelelcaro>aguitel: rerun apt-get -f install
16:42<babilen>RackHack: No, this channel is for Debian support
16:42<RackHack>gotcha - thanks
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16:42<coolworld>who would want to mix packages from different types of debian, could cause your system to crash
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16:43<babilen>coolworld: you have no idea :)
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16:43<coolworld>apparently i dont, sounds like people want there OS to explode..
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16:47<aguitel>dondelelcaro, no way
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16:49<dondelelcaro>*shrug*; not my problem
16:50<aguitel>dondelelcaro, if i add some repositories from sid ?
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16:52<dondelelcaro>aguitel: no, you shouldn't do that.
16:52<ioriveur>it is first time to come here for me. This is test. Hello, world!
16:52<dondelelcaro>there is a reason that I said to do what I said
16:52<babilen>ioriveur: welcome
16:53<ioriveur>babilen: Thx.
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16:56<ioriveur>Well, when I try to networkinstall via UNetbootin, I could not set up my password and root's one. After all of installation process, and boot up, I failed to login it.
16:56<ioriveur>and, some time so.
16:57<ioriveur>So, finally, I installed stable edition. And it works well.
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16:59<zulu>hi, I want to create a diff for a package, but the name of the files in the diff appears as absolute path, what if I want them to be only the file + the common directory?
16:59<ioriveur>Oh, it's getting and getting bright. and sleepy because of what I said. (GMT+9:00)
17:00<jthomas_sb>!broadcom
17:00<dpkg>Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <wl>. For Ethernet chipset support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
17:01<jthomas_sb>!b43
17:01<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
17:01<zulu>!french
17:01<dpkg>Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
17:01<jthomas_sb>!b43-fwcutter
17:01<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, b43-fwcutter is a tool to extract version 4 and 3 firmware from Broadcom's proprietary drivers, for use by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers respectively. Available as a <contrib> package, see http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx#b43-b43legacy for further details. Currently does not acquire LP-PHY firmware (Debian bug #561450), ask me about <bcm4312>. Not to be confused with <bcm43xx-fwcutter>.
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17:02<ioriveur>Does anybody use CPLD? Which is your recommend, Alteras? or Xilinxs?
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17:09<ml|>dondelelcaro: I've being using mix testing/sid just fine here; the tum factiod explains how to it the right way, are you saying that's wrong too?
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17:10<aguitel>anyway to install iceweasel 3.6 in squeeze?
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17:12<ml|>aguitel: not atm, since there is no 3.6 as far as I can tell
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17:12<aguitel>ml|, you are running squeeze?
17:12<ml|>yes
17:13<zulu>!diff
17:13<dpkg>You can use 'diff' and 'patch' to patch binary files! Just pass the -a option to diff, and _BE SURE_ to pipe the output to a file, otherwise you're going to see a lot of noise...
17:13<aguitel>ml|, some problem or bug do you have?
17:13<ml|>no, why do you ask?
17:13<aguitel>ml|, to test the people
17:14<aguitel>ml|, curiosity
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17:14<aguitel>ml|, i have old machine and is running fine mora than karmik
17:14<ml|>I don't understand what you are trying to ask/saying
17:15<aguitel>ml|, say more
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17:15<aguitel>ml|, more faster than karmik
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17:17<adb>aguitel, try it ans see, problem solved
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17:22<slipshot>anyone have any trouble with compiz in Squeeze?
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17:23<slipshot>i dont have any window borders even though i have window decorations enabled
17:23<slipshot>i have a nvidia geforce fx5500 video card
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17:40<peej_>I'm trying to use aosd_cat. Should aosd_cat "hello world" display something in the top left hand corner of my screen?
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17:54<nono>salut
17:55<babilen>tulas!
17:55<adb>salut > #d-fr
17:55<nono>ok
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17:55<nono>salut
17:55<nono>tu parles français
17:55<adb>non , pas ici
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17:56<nono>je suis nouveau sur linux
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17:56<cockroach>!fr
17:56<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
17:56<nono>ok merci je vais essayer
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18:11<kero>jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjkmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,,l
18:11<kero>jj
18:12<kero>google
18:12<kero>ola
18:12<babilen>!ops kero
18:12<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: kero
18:12<weasel>kero: grow up?
18:12<bja>!es-social kero
18:12<dpkg>kero: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:12<kero>ola
18:13<kero>ello
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18:13<azeem>!at kero
18:13-!-mode/#debian [+o weasel] by ChanServ
18:13-!-mode/#debian [+q kero!*@*] by weasel
18:13<azeem>d'h
18:13-!-mode/#debian [-o weasel] by weasel
18:13<aguitel>ml|, what is the last kernel in squeeze ?
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18:13<bja>kero: Te ha aparecido una línea arriba del lado izquierdo que pone bja, pica ahí con el boton del lado izquierdo
18:14<ml|>aguitel: /msg judd kernels
18:14<aguitel>ml|, i have some kernel called "trunk"
18:16<aguitel>ml|, linux 2.6.32-trunk-686
18:16<ml|>aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade or full-upgrade if safe-upgrade does not work[install the newer kernel]
18:17<weasel>aguitel: that's old and the result of a mistaken upload to unstable instead of experimental
18:17<weasel>aguitel: -2 or -3 is the latest
18:17<aguitel>weasel, ok
18:17<ml|>squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
18:17<aguitel>ml|, ok
18:17<aguitel>i return later
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18:22<bja>weasel: kero is undercontrol
18:23<weasel>obviously.
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18:23<bja>weasel: i mean, i talked to him, you can lift the silence now :)
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18:26<kero>bja
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18:27*SouL goodnight
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18:34<jose50>wenas
18:35<bja>jose50: calla un min ahora estoy contigo
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18:35<bja>Te apareció un mensaje arriba lado izquierdo que dice bja, pica ahí por favor
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18:38<kero>no
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18:41<bja>When someone invites you to a channel on xchat, how does it appear?
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18:42<sney>I think it's * bja has invited you to #secretclubhouse
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18:42<bja>ok
18:42<sney>but try inviting me and I'll paste how it looks.
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18:44<bja>sney: ??
18:44<sney>oh sorry
18:44<sney>* You have been invited to #debian-es-cachondeo by bja (oxygen.oftc.net)
18:45<bja>is there a clickable link to the channel?
18:45<muzy>hm has someone an idea howto realize this: When something in a watched folder changes the filename should be passed to a script
18:45<ml|>sney: share a screenshot?
18:45<muzy>any idea howto?
18:45<sney>ml|: good idea
18:46<bja>ml|: thx
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18:52<@Ganneff>"i under control". ha.
18:53<themill>muzy: inotifywatch or inocron can do that for you
18:53<weasel>why am I not surprosed
18:53<bja>Ganneff: ok so i've been having some trouble with one of my goats :(
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18:53<themill>muzy: err... incron.
18:53<Zulander_1>Hello,
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18:53<Zulander_1>Anyone know about qemu ?
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18:56<bja>Is pidgin able to connect to msn messenger?
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18:58<dr|z3d>bja: sure. no video or voice, though.
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18:59<dr|z3d>video in pidgin keeps being threatened, but hasn't quite yet materialized.
18:59<bja>dr|z3d: thx, it seems amsn is the more windows user friendly
19:00<Zulander_1>if i have a bootloader img file how do i put it in the hda.img file ?
19:00<bja>dr|z3d: It is for one of those kids, it seems he just wants to get into msn and he gives a damn about irc
19:00<dr|z3d>well, more msn messenger user friendly, sure. :)
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19:01<dr|z3d>empathy might also be worth a looksee.
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19:07<bja>Zulander_1: Actually what are you trying to do?
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19:09<Zulander_1>bja, i have a img of a bootloader i am tring to put that in a virtual hdd
19:09<Zulander_1>i need to emulate a device using qemu
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19:10<Zulander_1>bja, dd if=mybottloader.img of=myhdd.img !
19:14<Zulander_1>?
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19:23<bja>Zulander_1: you can pass it as a parameter directly to kvm
19:23<bja>s/kvm/qemu
19:23<bja>Zulander_1: take a look here http://qemu.org/user-doc.html
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19:25<Verre>hmm.. I was doing dist-upgrade when my system says "failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./boot/System.map-2.6.26-2-powerpc': No space left on device". what folder does this procedure use?
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19:25<sney>looks like it's trying to write to /boot
19:26<Verre>which is located in "/" ?
19:26<bja>Verre: df -h can throw you some hints
19:26<ml|>looks like /boot is full or / if boot lives there
19:26<Verre>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
19:26<Verre>/dev/hda3 259M 192M 54M 79% /
19:26<bja>Verre: probably
19:26<Verre>that is not enough ?
19:27<ml|>wow 259M for /
19:27<snakefactory>hey everyone.. got a question about rsync and windows
19:27<Verre>yeah well not my install :/
19:27<snakefactory>anyone know how well the cygwin version works?
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19:27<bja>Verre: /var ??
19:27<bremner>ml|: thats what I have too.
19:27<themill>snakefactory: quite well, but you may possibly do better in #rsync on irc.freenode.net.
19:27<Verre>ml|, can I change the directory dpkg uses ?
19:28<Verre> /dev/hda5 2.8G 399M 2.3G 15% /var
19:28<ml|>bremner: for / ?
19:28<bremner>Verre: do you have many kernels installed? maybe get rid of some old one.
19:28<bremner>ml|: yes
19:28<snakefactory>themill: thank you very much; i'll head over there..
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19:28<Verre>bremner, well I updated to lenny from... umm what was it..
19:28<ml|>bremner: ah, so plenty of other partitions then?
19:29<bremner>ml|: yes
19:29<bremner>ml|: anyway, its an lvm volume, so, it can be adjusted.
19:29<Verre>...from ethc
19:29<Verre>now I remembered
19:29<bja>Verre: it usually happens to me when i have to do a kernel update, i simply move some folder over to /var i do the proper install and move the stuff back
19:29<ml|>ok, seems silly to me, but what do I know; for lvm makes sense I guess
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19:31<Verre>bremner, does updating from etch to lenny leave the old kernel where it was?
19:31<ml|>usually kernels are not removed by default
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19:32<Verre>ok, so can I remove them? and if so, how? this is all way beyond my knowledge
19:32<bja>Verre: du -ckh will show you where are you using your space
19:32<bremner>Verre: gotta go for now, but these guys will take care of you :)
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19:33<Verre>bremner, I'm sure, thanks =)
19:34<Verre>bja, it shows "9.0G ."
19:34<bja>Verre: by the amount of space used on your / partition it seems you have only one kernel
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19:34<Snakefactory>hello again.. I think I may have posed my question poorly
19:34<Verre>bja, ok, so what should I do to get around this?
19:34<ml|>Verre: aptitude remove or purge ... or just use aptitude in ncurses do it that way; check menu.lst the newest should show on top
19:34<bja>Verre: That is on your /home partition
19:35<Snakefactory>here's my situation; I have a large amount of media currently stored on a win7 box that I would like to transfer over to a headless debian samba/nfs server
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19:35<Snakefactory>I setup proftpd and kicked off a 3TB transfer queue.. I woke up in the morning, hoping it had completed but noticed that about 300GB was transferred and then the transfer client was just hung
19:35<Verre>ml|, I'm not sure I know how to do that
19:36<ml|>Verre: leave the two newest to be on the safe side if you want
19:36<Snakefactory>What would be the best process for getting something like this done?
19:36<bja>Verre: ok, i just realized i have my / screwed, let me fix it and i'll be back
19:36<Verre>ok ;)
19:37<sney>Snakefactory:
19:37<sney>err
19:37<sney>rsync, maybe.
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19:37<petemc>Snakefactory: why not try to use samba or nfs ?
19:38<bja>Verre: ok, i usually move the dir /emul for / to /var it has some 27M enough to make things fall into place
19:38<Snakefactory>well NFS, i wasn't aware there was a client for windows and samba, I just have found that it eats up too many windows resources since it uses explorer to transfer the files
19:38<bja>then i usually move it bakc, (ocasionally i move it to /emul/* but nothing to worry)
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19:39<Verre>still sound a little hebrew to me =)
19:40<weasel>Snakefactory: you probably want rsync.
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19:41<Snakefactory>any idea why FTP just threw up all over itself?
19:41<weasel>because it's FTP.
19:42<Verre>bja, I didn't find any folder called /emul
19:42<Snakefactory>right.. guess it's not really built to be that robust..
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19:42<ml|>Verre: aptitude search "~i ?name(linux-image)" should help
19:43<ml|>leave the two newest to be on the safe side if you want
19:44<Verre>ok, it found 3
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19:44<Verre>ml|, how do I remove the oldest?
19:45<ml|>Verre: pastebin that please
19:46<Verre>ml|, umm ?
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19:46<ml|>Verre: the ouput of that aptitude search
19:46<AIntel>Whats a good mp3 player for debian?
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19:47<Verre>ml|, but pastebin ?
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19:47<ml|>!pastebin
19:47<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
19:49<Verre>ml|, http://paste.debian.net/65367
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19:52<glauco>clear
19:52<ml|>Verre: seems you have two anyways, so your issue is a basically need more space
19:52<Verre>ml|, I kinda figured that myself too
19:53<Verre>is there a way to add more?
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19:53<ml|>read what bja suggested
19:54<Verre>I read it, but don't know how to do it. I didn't find any folder called /emul
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19:58<Verre>well thanks for your help so far guys. I have to continue work but I'll ask again later
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19:59<bja>Verre: the / partition has lots of folders
19:59<bja> /home /tmp /usr /var have separate partitions
19:59<ml|>Verre: basically you need to free space from /
19:59<bja>if you did a guided automatic partitioning
20:00<sney>I bet he could clean up pretty well just by doing aptitude clean
20:00<ml|>sney: yes, could not remember
20:00<bja>sney: aptitude clean will erase the cache on /var partition
20:00<sney>bja: yes.
20:00<sney>oh wait
20:00<sney>it's a separate partition? dang
20:00<ml|>Verre: if you don't need the older packages do as sney suggests
20:00*sney gives up and goes back to cleaning the house
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20:01<bja>sney: his problem is space on / not on /var
20:01<sney>yes ok I get it
20:01<ml|>yeah ;(
20:01<sney>I thought he had everything on /
20:01<ml|>I keep thinking the same thing
20:02<glauco>which is the channel lineup?
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20:02<ml|>maybe could do that and move stuff from / to /var?
20:02<bremner>Verre: seperate /boot might help.
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20:02<ml|>I prefer a seperate /boot myself
20:02*bremner wonders if moving /boot to its own partitition while running multi-user is safe. Thoughts?
20:03<bja>ml|: That is what he has to do, but since he is changing kernel version the whole kernel tree has to be rebuilt,
20:03<bja>you know drivers and modules and all that stuff
20:03<bja>which amount for quite some space
20:03<ml|>bremner: I would not try
20:04<ml|>bja: what do you mean?
20:04<bremner>/lib/modules mostly
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20:05<ml|>anyways he left
20:05<bremner>!next
20:05<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
20:06<ml|>but still in the building ;)
20:06<bja> /lib uses 104 Mb out of 259 M that a single kernel uses
20:06<bja>s/259/188
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20:07<ml|>/lib/modules/ here uses 136M with two kernels
20:07<ml|>and 149M in total
20:08<bja>if you make / absolutely clean only /boot and /lib with 2 kernels it could barely fit on the 259 Mb for that partition
20:09<ml|>yep
20:09*bremner has 4 kernels in 255M /lib/modules
20:09<bja>Its an architecture difference i would gues, but some serious checking will have to be made.
20:09*Panko no hi és: Gone away for now
20:09*Panko torna.
20:09<themill>Panko: please turn that off.
20:09<ml|>yes i386 here
20:10<Panko>sorry themill... have a strange bug in konversation...
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20:10<bja>bremner: what architechture are you running?
20:11<bremner>i386 here too. I expect amd64 is bigger.
20:11<ml|>can also depend on how much stuff is installed?
20:11<bja>yes you are right
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20:12<themill>Panko: ahh... certainly the older 1.1 version handles turning off away announcements quite happily.
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20:14<Panko>if you talk about config, i haven't touch it... maybe are an old config
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20:15<Panko>right, there's an old config from my other machine...
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20:16<ml|>bremner: on related note, don't if you've seen this ... http://darcswatch.nomeata.de/
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20:17<ml|>*unrelated
20:17<bja>Is it necesary to have 53 subdirs under /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs ?
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20:18<bja>I mean is it normal for all arquitechtures?
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20:19<ml|>I show 56 here
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20:19<steven__>hello all
20:20<steven__>i need help
20:20<bja>ml|: thx I'll do a full tree with sizes and i'll try to compare it to a vm of the i386 architechture to see why there is so much difference
20:20<bja>!tell steven__ about ask
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20:21<steven__>ok wine not work
20:21<steven__>i cant play d&d online
20:21<ml|>bja: btw that's for 2.6.32-3 might be different for other kernels
20:22<benno>Is there any idea of a timeline for switching to Python 2.6 or 2.7 in Squeeze?
20:22<ml|>benno: usually when it's ready
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20:22<bja>ml|: 2.6.26-2 here ??
20:22<benno>ml|: Alternatively, is there a way I can make 2.6 (at least) default on a squeeze installation?
20:23<ml|>bja: don't follow
20:23<ml|>benno: don't know
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20:23<benno>ml|: What are the gating points for it being ready?
20:24<bremner>benno: python2.6 is in squeeze
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20:24<fnmueller>benno: bugs?
20:24<benno>bremner: I know it's there, but when you try to install most python library packages they haul in 2.5.
20:24<themill>benno: python2.6 is already in squeeze and the switch to py2.6 being the default is likely to be done late April
20:24<benno>bremner: Because the "python" package points to 2.5.
20:24<benno>themill: Cool, thanks.
20:25<benno>themill: What's intended for the release after squeeze? 2.7 or 3.1/3.2?
20:25<themill>nfc. 2.x isn't going away any time soon though
20:25<fnmueller>2.6 if it's default
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20:26<benno>themill: Other alternative would be making it easier to have different versions. The fact that all the python library packages point to python which points to $ANNOINTED_VERSION is annoying. I understand _why_ but it'd be nice to be able to say "my preferred version is X" and have it work.
20:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 401] by debhelper
20:27<themill>benno: the python packages don't really do that at all. Actually, quite a lot of work goes into making multiple versions of python co-installable precisely because python has this problem with both backwards and forwards compatability
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20:28<benno>themill: Hrm. My experience so far has been that even if I have 2.6 installed any library package I try to install will haul in 2.5. Is there a configurable somewhere that I'm missing or am I just installing badly done packages?
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20:29<themill>benno: but fundamentally, with that compatibility problem that python has, there is no way of enforcing that modules only get loaded by certain versions of the interpreter short of filling every module with things that check the python version and Raise if they don't like it.
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20:30<benno>themill: Most of the Python packages I've seen have some kind of Python version check in them...
20:30<benno>A >= check if nothing else.
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20:31<sk>?
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20:31<xp>hi
20:31<themill>benno: that's very different to allowing you to fiddle with what /usr/bin/python points to as you suggest. That's pretty much guaranteed to cause breakage.
20:31<sk>hello?
20:32<xp>i was ask can i use unix on xp like i use it in linux
20:32<bja>!tell sk about ask
20:33<sk>hahaha you got jokes?
20:33<benno>themill: If it's breakage I'm in control of, I'm not so fussed.
20:33<bja>!tell xp about it
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20:33<themill>benno: there's no point in breaking things like that as you either just specify the shebang you want or run it with "python2.6 script.py".
20:33<xp>so
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20:34<bja>xp: it is possible, but that is offtopic on this channel, you will have to search it on google
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20:34<themill>xp: you probably want to wander over to cygwin.com
20:35<xp>yes i have it
20:35<benno>themill: It's just somewhat annoying that python2.5 gets hauled in when I don't want or need it.
20:35<themill>benno: but once python changes to 2.6 as default in squeeze, it should be possible to remove 2.5 without any issues.
20:35<ml|>xp: try ... #cygwin on irc.freenode.net
20:35<benno>themill: Exactly, that'll be good.
20:35<themill>benno: well... you do need it because there are still a large number of python module packages that don't work with py2.6
20:36<benno>themill: I'm just thinking about beyond that because if you're annointing one version as default then the 2.x/3.x switch is going to be lots of fun.
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20:37<themill>benno: that's highly unlikely to be the way it's done though. I doubt /usr/bin/python will ever point towards python3 or if it does, not for a good number of years.
20:37<xp>any one know what is the matrix
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20:40<bja>!tell xp about ot
20:40<xp>hahahaha :)
20:40<xp>he know
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21:07<xp>hi
21:07<xp>my network is too bad
21:07<xp>i dont know why
21:07<xp>my speed is 1024 miga
21:08<xp>and cant open web
21:08<themill>xp: you probably want to as #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
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21:08<xp>is there advice here
21:09<xp>i think its from company
21:09<themill>xp: seeing as you are running Ubuntu, you should ask them for assistance.
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21:13<meowcats>Hi, xfce4-volumed isnt working for some reason
21:13<meowcats>on fresh squeeze install
21:14<ml|>meowcats: maybe bts can help
21:14<meowcats>bts?
21:14<ml|>!bts
21:14<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
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21:15<meowcats>hmm well, i think it has something to do with a configuration
21:16<meowcats>as my card does not show up in aumix either
21:16<ml|>ah, no sound?
21:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 394] by debhelper
21:17<meowcats>well there is sound, and its configured in xfce4-mixer as well
21:17<meowcats>just not aumix, and xfce4-volumed doesnt work
21:18<meowcats>no bug reports for the package either
21:18<ml|>I still think checking bts can't hurt and maybe file a bug report if needed
21:19<meowcats>i did check, no bug reports in squeeze or unstable
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21:20<ml|>meowcats: since you are using testing I suggest you install and setup, what dpkg just said [ the last sentence ]
21:21<xp>how can tab by red to some one in chat
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21:22<meowcats>ok, i might as well go ahead and do that
21:22<meowcats>it is supposed to work without manual configuration right?
21:22<meowcats>the man page just says volumed uses the card defined in xfce4-mixer
21:22<ml|>don't remember; but I did make some changes
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21:23<ml|>^ I meant the dpkg thing
21:25<meowcats>listbugs brings no information
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21:29<ml|>man apt-listbugs
21:29<meowcats>yes, syntax is: apt-listbugs list <package>
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21:37<ml|>meowcats: what I meant was that apt-listbugs will come in handy when upgrading and installing packages
21:38<meowcats>oh, yes
21:38<meowcats>just perplexing as to why volumed wont work :p
21:39<ml|>maybe an xfce user will rescue the day ;)
21:40<meowcats>i hope!
21:40<meowcats>pgrep tells me its not even running!
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21:42<meowcats>does xfce have its own channel?
21:44<ml|>#xfce on irc.freenode.net
21:44<meowcats>thanks
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21:50<Hypcrum>using screen is there a way to name your screens?
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21:52<ml|>Hypcrum: man screen ; but screen -S foo
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21:54<ml|>Hypcrum: or you mean the screen windows?
21:55<ml|>*screen's
21:55<Hypcrum>You got it the first time : ] thanks again!
21:56<ml|>np
21:56<Hypcrum>I can't believe I didn't know about this before... screen is amazing
21:56<ml|>!win screen
21:56<dpkg>Congratulations, screen! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
21:57<meowcats>!screen
21:57<dpkg>[screen] a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>. Vertical split not documented in Lenny (BTS #525998). http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on <free
21:58<bremner>!tmux
21:58<dpkg>[tmux] a "terminal multiplexer", it enables a number of terminals (or windows) to be accessed and controlled from a single terminal. tmux is intended to be a simple, modern, BSD-licensed alternative to programs such as GNU screen. http://sourceforge.net/projects/tmux
21:58<meowcats>why is this useful?
21:59<abrotman>it's similar to screen
21:59<Hypcrum>meowcats: why is screen useful?
21:59<meowcats>yes
21:59<meowcats>if you dont have X?
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21:59<ml|>many reasons, even in X
22:00<Hypcrum>well, in my case im going to have a gameserver
22:00<Hypcrum>with screens i can pull up the console from anywhere, even after logging out or closing my session.
22:00<Hypcrum>even through ssh
22:01<meowcats>neat
22:01<meowcats>seems that should be possible without screens though
22:01<Hypcrum>Well.. normaly i would do ./blablabla through ssh and need to keep that ssh session open
22:02<Hypcrum>or it would end that application
22:03<ml|>bremner: so you prefer tmux?
22:04<bremner>ml|: no, I just decided to try it instead of screen, and never switched. Not a heavy user.
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22:06<ml|>thought of trying tmux, but I'm used to screen and has never failed me
22:06<bremner>weakest flamefest, ever :)
22:07<ml|>haha, not meant that way :)
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22:20<Hypcrum>what does the screen title do? The window's nam
22:20<Hypcrum>name*
22:23<ml|>-S names that screen session; use screen -ls to see them
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22:25<Guest1937>anyone here?
22:25<Hypcrum>Yupp.
22:26<Guest1937>.......
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22:27<Hypcrum>yea.. i understand what -S does, what about -t?
22:29<ml|>window title
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22:30<Hypcrum>Where does it display that?
22:31<ml|>usually on the bottom
22:31<Hypcrum>hmm... that would be usefull it it would show it haha
22:31<Hypcrum>if*
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22:32<meowcats>ok so now xfce4-volumed works
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22:32<ml|>^a then shift-a to change the current title
22:32<ml|>meowcats: what was the issue
22:33<ml|>?
22:33<meowcats>i had to blacklist "snd-hda-codec-atihdmi"
22:33<meowcats>i can only assume because it was card #0
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22:33<ml|>oh
22:33<meowcats>weird though, because thats never been a problem
22:35<Hypcrum>Is there a way to have it allways display the title?
22:35<Hypcrum>or like.. when i change screens
22:35<Hypcrum>windows*
22:36<meowcats>xfce rocks now! everything is so sharp and pretty
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22:37<meowcats>now if only ati would get their butts in gear and give us a working driver :p
22:37<sney>I'm sure they're working on it
22:39<meowcats>oh? xorg 1.7 has been around since november :p
22:39<meowcats>and its still broken
22:39<meowcats>by the time it works with 1.7, 1.8 will be in squeeze!
22:40<gsimmons>meowcats: There is an xorg 1.7-compatible fglrx in unstable now.
22:40<meowcats>gsimmons thats what i had heard
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22:41<meowcats>thats very new though, within the last few days
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22:47<ml|>Hypcrum: here is an example .screenrc that I use with urxvt terminal ... http://pastebin.com/Mtt1DEdw man screen for explanation
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22:48<Genji>hiya all... how do i do software Raid using debian, the current version?
22:48<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Genji -about md
22:48<Genji>is there a method to do it from the install?
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22:51<Genji>dpkg: tell Genji -about install guide
22:51<abrotman>!tell Genji about selftell
22:53<Genji>huh?
22:54<ml|>Genji: read the message dpkg sent you
22:55<Genji>ah okay. sorry.
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22:56<Genji>can debian boot a raid1 partition? in centos, i had to leave the boot partition as a seperate partition, out of the raid1.
22:56<abrotman>depends on your bootloader IIRC
22:57<Genji>hmm.. which bootloader can boot a raid1?
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23:14<jerryclunsford>How can set up Debian Lenny where you can access files from a windows machine?
23:15<kop>Genji: None I know of, but then I only know 2.
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23:15<jerryclunsford>I have Samba set up and can access the windows box but can't log on to the Debian box
23:15<kop>jerryclunsford: You want the windows machine to access the files on the Debian box or vice versa, or both? Samba will go either way.
23:16<jerryclunsford>Both
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23:17<kop>jerryclunsford: You need to give access in the samba config file. /etc/samba/smb.conf And that's about all I know about samba
23:18<jerryclunsford>I'll take a look there and see If I can figure it out. Thanks for the help
23:18<kop>jerryclunsford: Last I paid attention, by default, samba used it's own usernames/passwords. That was a long time ago and I could be wrong.
23:18<kop>jerryclunsford: (It's on database.)
23:18<kop>s/on/own/
23:19<jerryclunsford>Maybe I need to look for the manuals for Samba
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23:43<bja>Any op around i don't think a 11 year old will be up at 3:00 am kero!*@*
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