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00:03<bja>How long does it take for a change in a dns record to run through the system and be consistent on dns servers?
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00:04<ansgar>bja: Depends on the timeouts that are configured for the zone.
00:05<bja>ansgar: directly proportional to the ttl's?
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00:08<ansgar>bja: I think so, but there are also broken resolvers.
00:09<bja>ansgar: thx, Which are you either a late knight owl or an early bird? :)
00:09<ansgar>bja: And if one forgets to change the serial, the zone does not propagate to secondary servers. That did happed several times to me...
00:10<ansgar>bja: I live in UTC+9. It's 13 o'clock here :)
00:11<bja>ansgar: For some unknown reason i though you were at UTC+1 :)
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00:18<poent>i've got a dual monitor setup and i'm using xinerama. When i full screen a window the title bar (and buttons) vanish under the main ubuntu tool bar. Anyone know how to fix this?
00:18<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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00:19<Jeff91>Where is my menu.lst located in squeeze?
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00:19<Hypcrum>Anyone know of a good music server type thing? haha
00:20<ansgar>Jeff91: If you don't use grub-legacy, it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg
00:20<ml|>Jeff91: testing uses grub2 which does not use menu.lst
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00:22<ml|>Hypcrum: try mpd and/or moc
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00:23<Jeff91>Ahh kk makes sense
00:23<Jeff91>I add the firmware drivers for my wifi card
00:23<Jeff91>and it now sees and connects to my wireless network, however it does not get an internet connection...
00:23<Jeff91>Any suggestions? Intel wireless card
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00:25<bja>Jeff91: dhclient eth1
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00:25<Jeff91>bja what does that do and should I use eth0 if that is my wired connection?
00:26<bja>Jeff91: that tells your eth1 nick (your wireless i believe) to look for a dhcp lese on your lan
00:27<Jeff91>I'm getting an IP address on the wifi though, so that means it is working right?
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00:28<bja>if it gives you the pinging sequence you are all set and running
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00:28<seek3r>My wireless card isnt displaying any wireless networks, may i get some assistance?
00:29<gsimmons>bja: FYI, mac80211 drivers (such as iwlagn, used by Jeff91) use wlan*, not eth*.
00:29<Jeff91>bja it does not
00:29<Jeff91>gsimmons, thanks I know that
00:29<bja>Jeff91: look at what gsimmons just said
00:29<Jeff91>pulling my cat5 to see if the wifi works brb
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00:31<bja>does it work?
00:32<gsimmons>seek3r: What specific device (e.g. brand, model) do you have?
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00:32<Jeff91>negative on the wifi
00:32<Jeff91>I am getting an ip address though
00:32<Jeff91>and dhclient wlan0 reports success...
00:32<seek3r>gsimmons, Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002b
00:32<Jeff91>But if the cable isn't plugged in net is broken
00:33<Jeff91>Its such a shame, this is the last thing holding me back from using debian :(
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00:33<kop>Sheesh. This is a new one. There's one particular spam message that's showed up which crashes balsa every time I try to delete it. And it does not delete. :-P I suppose I'll just have to edit the file.
00:33<Jeff91>everything else is working wonerfully
00:34<gsimmons>dpkg: tell seek3r -about ath9k
00:34<bja>Jeff91: I would disconnect the cable pull the wire nick down and pull the wifi up again. I would check the routing table and all
00:34<kop>Jeff91: If you just unplugged the cable you didn't bring the route down. Try to ifdown the interface instead. (Likely "ifdown eth0".)
00:34<edhunter>Jeff91: if wifi and ethernet are connected to the same router you need to remove the configuration of the ethernet before testing the wifi
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00:36<kop>Jeff91: (Unless you're using networkmanager, which I hear has brokenness. Never used it. YMMV.)
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00:37<Jeff91>so diconnect wifi, pull my cat5, and then run ifdown eth0
00:37<Jeff91>before reconnecting to the wifi
00:37<kop>Jeff91: If that's the problem then ifplugd is the solution, so you can plug/unplug and bring the interface down/up.
00:37<Jeff91>thank fucking god
00:37<kop>Jeff91: No need to unplug if you bring the interface down in software.
00:37<Jeff91>ifdown eth0 did the trick
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00:38<kop>Jeff91: So, think about how you want it to work, and consider ifplugd to automatically use the wire, or not.
00:39<kop>!win Jeff91
00:39<dpkg>Congratulations, Jeff91! You have won the US presidency!
00:40<Jeff91>Haha kop, feels like it
00:40<Jeff91>now to get my shit installed
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00:43<seek3r>gsimmons, i have already installed the latest kernel. Once i rebooted network manager displayed all wireless networks around me but would not connect to any of them.
00:44<Jeff91>What was the command to add non-free codecs on debian again?
00:45<seek3r>Then i tryed to connect manually then all my wireless networks disappeared
00:45<dpkg>methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
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00:46<gsimmons>seek3r: Consider using something other than NetworkManager (e.g. wicd) when troubleshooting, or just use wpa_supplicant via /etc/network/interfaces. See
00:47<Jeff91>Anyone know where the option is off hand to see the side bar on natilus?
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00:47<seek3r>gsimmons, i have tried that also.
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00:49<Jeff91>Anyone have any suggestions as to why XChat would have a red line under every word I type?
00:49<Jeff91>Missing language perhaps?
00:50<sney>I didn't even know xchat had spellcheck support
00:50<sney>well you can disable it, anyway
00:51<Jeff91>but it means it will be borked in other programs as well sney ;)
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00:51<sney>Jeff91: it'd be ispell-based, so check your ispell packages
00:52<Jeff91>ispell was missing... think installing it will work sney?
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00:53<Jeff91>reloading xchat brb
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00:54<jeff>Ahh adding ispell did it, thanks sney
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01:01<Miyavix3>Why is the Debian offline installer 5 DVDs big?
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01:04<sney>Miyavix3: that dvd set contains all of the packages currently available. you don't need to use all of the discs. you can install the system from a 140mb net-install iso, provided your network card is natively supported.
01:04<sney>I don't know anyone who has installed everything on those discs
01:05<Miyavix3>sney: Last time i tried to do a netinstall, but my card wasn't supported. Would you recommend it, if I used a landline connection for the install?
01:05<Miyavix3>I'm looking to switch ti Debian
01:05<bja>sney: It can't be done many packages conflict with others
01:05<sney>bja: I had a feeling.
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01:05<sney>Miyavix3: what network card do you have? most wired cards are fine
01:06<Miyavix3>sney: I'm not sure, it was on my laptop.
01:06<sney>I would always recommend netinstall, except when it doesn't work
01:06<Miyavix3>I'll just go check now
01:06<bja>Miyavix3: Most of the time netisnt image works fine
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01:07<Miyavix3>k nevermind, someone took my laptop. I guess I'll know tomorrow
01:07<sney>except in the case of hairy wifi
01:07<ansgar>Miyavix3: The first CD or DVD should contain the most often used applications. It might be enough to at least try and get the network going.
01:07<sney>yes, you can get a full working system from the first disc in either set if you don't know that netinst will work.
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01:08<ml|>could also try the kmuto
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01:08<sney>does kmuto include wifi firmware in the installer?
01:09<gsimmons>sney: Some.
01:09<seek3r>Can i still get help with my issue or is there nothing else you all can do?
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01:12<EmleyMoor>How can I get an MMSH plugin for iceweasel?
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01:14<ml|>add-ons from mozilla should work just fine
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01:17*EmleyMoor installs gstreamer's "bad" plugins
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01:20<Jeff91>What are the chances of messing up my squeeze system by installing an Ubuntu .deb package?
01:21<Jeff91>And if I was going to do so, what version of Ubuntu would it be best to get the .deb for?
01:21<sney>well, you can always remove it
01:21<sney>it's not recommended. you'd be better off compiling whatever it is from source and using stow to keep it tidy.
01:21<sney>what is it anyway
01:21<Jeff91>openshot video editor
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01:23<sney>ah, it's in ppa.
01:23<sney>it says they have a "build wizard" for debian, that probably makes a squeeze-compliant .deb for you to install
01:24<Jeff91>tried that sney, its only for ubuntu versions >.<
01:25<sney>I still say you shouldn't install that ubuntu deb but it's your funeral
01:25<bja>Jeff91: Bad advice, use a vm to see what is needed for that particular package
01:25<Jeff91>Going to try the build wizard and tell it I have ubuntu 8.04
01:25<Jeff91>cause it is just building it from source anways should be a moot point
01:25<sney>yeah, as long as the package names line up
01:26<sney>it probably just automates downloading build-essential and a bunch of -dev packages
01:27<bja>Check the dependencies the package has
01:27<Jeff91>will do bja
01:27<Jeff91>think that is a project for the morning though
01:27<Jeff91>peace all :)
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01:40<dpkg>Yes, aintel, you are online.
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01:40<ishu>hwy admea
01:40<ishu>hsa al sk
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01:52<EmleyMoor>I installed gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad to try to get mmsh streams to play in iceweasel - now I get this message: Could not open location; you might not have permission to open this file
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01:56<dk>is there any scalablity test project in Debian which test scalability of website i mean performance
01:56<dk>if 1000 users logged in at the same time
01:56<dk>any idea ?
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02:03<ishu>hi chiku
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02:50<paveq>dkr: 4chan? ;)
02:50<paveq>whats the status of testing nowdays? anyone using it on workstation successfully?
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03:01<EmleyMoor>The vertical hold is going on my TV card - anyone know a good one that at least takes composite and does DVB-T?
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03:25<Strife>Could someone help
03:25<NuD>no we just idle here
03:25<Strife>I'm trying to install Debian with SATA Controller Card
03:25<EmleyMoor>!tell Strife about ask
03:26<Strife>My motherboard & bios are kinda old
03:26<EmleyMoor>Strife: What's happening?
03:26<EmleyMoor>Often, that actually makes it less of a problem
03:26<Strife>It doesn't even recognize my Host Adapter
03:27<Hypcrum>Strife: do you get to the installer?
03:28<Strife>I can't even install Windows 7
03:28<Strife>I get to installer
03:28<Strife>Yes, sorry, I'm going crazy
03:28<Strife>8 hours at this now
03:28<Hypcrum>so it boots off the disk?
03:29<Strife>I boots off my IDE Disc Drive
03:29<Hypcrum>does your bios reconize the hdd you want to install to?
03:29<Strife>Doesn't detect my SATA Hard Drive connected to SATA Host Adapter
03:29<Strife>No, my BIOS doesn't detect the SATA Hard drive
03:29<Strife>It's brand new, Western Digital
03:30<Strife>However, my SATA Controller Card does work, I've used it before
03:30<Hypcrum>Well.. thats the first problem
03:30<Hypcrum>if your bios cant see the drive debian obviously wont
03:30<Strife>My Motherboard is very old, as well as the Bios (made in 2003)
03:30<Strife>How can I get it tol detect a SATA hard drive
03:30<Hypcrum>have you used this sata card on this mobo before?
03:31<Strife>Yes, I've used it with my old PATA hard drive running
03:31<Strife>I had a Pioneer 215D & hooked up other SATA devices to it
03:31<Strife>however, my PATA hard drive died, so I bought a new SATA hard drive
03:31<Strife>but I can't get anything to detect it so I can install an OS
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03:32<Strife>My mobo doesn't natively have any SATA ports
03:32<Strife>just IDE
03:32<Hypcrum>Does your motherboard have the SATA ports on the mobo or do you have a pci card?
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03:33<Hypcrum>so you have a pci card?
03:33<Strife>I have a PCI card
03:33<jm_>did linux detect this PCI card?
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03:33<Strife>its a host adapter
03:33<Hypcrum>jm_: shouldent his bios detect it? :P
03:33<Strife>thats what they call it I guess
03:33<jm_>Hypcrum: well lets ignore BIOS for now, that might be a problem to boot from it later on
03:34<Strife>I cant really figure out what to call it, host adapter, controller card ,etc.
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03:34<Strife>Its a SY-VIA-150
03:35<jm_>start by checking if kernel detects it; run lspci and dmesg on tty2
03:36<Strife>jm_ what would be the directions for installing Windows 7 ?
03:36<Hypcrum>jm_: i dont believe he has anything installed >.<
03:36<Strife>I'm like, really lost her
03:37<Strife>I put my PCI SATA Controller Card in my motherboard
03:37<Strife>hooked up SATA hard drive
03:37<Strife>Doesn't boot
03:37<Strife>Won't install
03:37<jm_>Strife: i have no idea, ask in a windows related channel
03:37<jm_>it obviously won't boot from it if BIOS doesn't see it - might need BIOS on PCI Card enabled or somesuch
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03:38<Hypcrum>yea.. look around the bios for anything about enabling the pci card also see if you can find a bios update
03:38<Strife>My BIOS doesn't have any options like that
03:39<Strife>Its called AwardBIOS
03:39<Strife>I believe
03:39<jm_>the card needs its own bios to be able to boot from it ...
03:40<Strife>jm_ how come when I had an OS installed I was able to install the drivers then hook up devices to the PCI SATA Card?
03:40<Strife>I mean, can't I load drivers or something?
03:41<jm_>Strife: you're mixing two issues - booting from a drive on this card and using the drives in an OS
03:41<Strife>I actually want to boot from CD then install an OS on the drive
03:41<Hypcrum>strife: after that you need to boot off the hdd
03:42<jm_>yes, like I already said - do so and run two commands to see what the kernel detects
03:42<Strife>Okay, I am going to burn a new copy of linux
03:43<Strife>What distro do you guys recommend?
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03:43<Strife>I've done this before
03:43<Hypcrum>considering you are in a debian channel.. debian :P
03:44<MeglaW_>yes, id recommend debian.
03:44<Hypcrum>I don't believe it will work though.. reading reviews on newegg on that card and it seems noone can boot off it
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03:45<Hypcrum>Everyone just seems to be buying it to flash xbox cd-roms
03:46<cforlife> Hypcrum
03:46<cforlife>what is si?? r u an italian
03:47<Hypcrum>si is spanish...
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03:47<Strife>Damn, so if my BIOS cannot detect PCI Cards/edit etc then I cannot boot from PCI SATA Controller?
03:48<Strife>Do I need new MOBO just to use SATA hard drive?
03:48<cforlife>hypcrum - on what os r u now?
03:48<Hypcrum>Strife: probably just need a better sata controller
03:48<Hypcrum>cForlife: Windows 7
03:49<cforlife>do u have tested debian os
03:49<Hypcrum>cforlife: I have debian on 2 servers
03:49<Strife>Guys, I put this into one of my working computers
03:49<Strife>With PATA hard drive
03:50<Strife>booted into OS
03:50<cforlife>can u tell the difference between debian, ubuntu and mandriva??
03:50<Strife>Then put in my SATA Pioneer 215D and it worked
03:50<Strife>Then I plugged in my 640 GB Western digital and it didn't work?
03:50<Hypcrum>Strife: oh.. thats interesting
03:50<Strife>Why would one SATA device work and hard drive doesnt?
03:51<Strife>its a brand new hard drive
03:51<Hypcrum>Strife: with the SATA Pioneer 215d can you see that drive in the bios?
03:51<Strife>no, my bios only shows Primary/Secondary IDE channels
03:51<Hypcrum>cforlife: yes
03:52<Hypcrum>Strife: Im pretty sure that card won't do what you want it to
03:52<Hypcrum>Strife: i'm not sure why it cant see your new drive though... could be a bad drive
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03:53<Hypcrum>cforlife: the difference is mainly in x... ubuntu just has more things thrown together
03:54<Hypcrum>cforlife: ubuntu is based off debian so you cant expect it to be to much different
03:54<Hypcrum> cforlife: i can also tell that debian is more stable than ubuntu
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03:55<cforlife>hypcrum-so what would be better ubuntu or mandriva(or OpensSolaris)
03:56<Hypcrum>never used mandriva
03:56<cforlife>hypcrum-please tell me as i'm confused
03:56<Hypcrum>if you are new ubuntu is really straight foward
03:57<cforlife>what about OpenSolaris?? what is it about?
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03:58<Hypcrum>i've never really used it
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03:58<addux>was ist gut?
03:59<cforlife>addux-what ru trying to say?
03:59<addux>oh sorry
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04:03<cforlife>hypcrum-i have a problem while trying to execute a.out using chmod...can u please solve it?
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04:04<cforlife>it gives an error:
04:04<cforlife>bash : chmod : not authorised still i'm root
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04:05<Hypcrum>try doing chmod +x a.out
04:05<cforlife>i have tried it
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04:07<Hypcrum>you sure its an aplication?
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04:08<cforlife>actually i compiled a .c file using gcc which created a.out
04:09<jmm>cforlife: try file a.out
04:09<jmm>to see what it say.
04:10<cforlife>u mean i just type a.out in terminal??
04:10<jmm>just type file a.out
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04:12<cforlife>it gives a message a.out : command not found
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04:13<jmm>erm the command to type is 'file a.out' .
04:13<jmm>not just a.out
04:13<EmleyMoor>cforlife: What did you type?
04:13<jmm>hi Er .
04:13<Er>teneis ordenadores en el colegio?
04:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
04:14<cforlife>i simple typed a.out
04:15<EmleyMoor>Don't. First, type "file a.out" and tell us what it says
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04:17<cforlife>it gives a.out : ELF 32-bit LSB executable,Intel 80836,verion 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, for GNU/linux 2.6.15, not stripped
04:18<Hypcrum>right click it and go to premissions if you are in X
04:19<cforlife>right click : over what hypcrum? there r no buttons
04:19<addux>has anyone had luck with the beta 64-bit flashplayer from adobe's website?
04:20<Hypcrum>addux: i would say its worth it to still with 32-bit for now >.<
04:20<Hypcrum>unless you have a use for > 4gb of ram..
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04:21<Hypcrum>cforlife: nvm then..
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04:22<EmleyMoor>cforlife: Try ./a.out
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04:23<Hypcrum>EmleyMoor: gives him a premission error.. and he said he already made it exacutable
04:23<cforlife>nice!!! now it worked. THANKS
04:23<Hypcrum>what did you do?
04:24<cforlife>well i typed ./a.out and this time it worked
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04:26<cforlife>if i include #iostream in my .c file it gives an error
04:27<cforlife>does i have to install these libraries from net
04:27<Hypcrum>#include <iostream>
04:27<Hypcrum>try that
04:27<EmleyMoor>"An error" - be less general
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04:30<cforlife>EmleyMoor - error is c.c:2.21: error :iostream.h:no such file or directory
04:31<EmleyMoor>cforlife: Install the package that contains that file
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04:32<Hypcrum>get g++
04:33<Hypcrum>apt-get install g++
04:33<Hypcrum>and use that
04:33<Hypcrum>so g++ filename.c
04:33<cforlife>so i have to use command g++ instead of gcc
04:33<Hypcrum>iostream is a c++ thing
04:34<cforlife>can i increase my swap memory using terminal?
04:35<Hypcrum>I have no clue..
04:35<jm_>you have my permission
04:36<Hypcrum>jm_: I love you
04:36<cforlife>Hypcrum hey this is not a love place
04:37<cahoot>cforlife: you can create a swapfile
04:37<cforlife>but i just want to increase it
04:37<cforlife>not want to create
04:37<simonrvn>those are contradictory wants
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04:38<cforlife>cahoot - you said u know to create a swapfile
04:38<cforlife>cahoot - just say it
04:39<EmleyMoor>You can have multiple swap partitions and files
04:39<cahoot>cforlife: googled it for you:
04:39<jm_>there are even packages that do this on demand
04:40<Hypcrum> hard drive makes a verry scarry click every 20 min.. >.>
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04:40<jm_>probably just thermal calibration
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04:42<Hypcrum>does debian/ubuntu play nicely with multimonitors yet?
04:43<cforlife>cahoot - thanks it worked!
04:44<tarzeau>Hypcrum: sure:
04:45<Hypcrum>oh nice.. they are even rotated
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04:45<Hypcrum>my top monitor is upside down and i has having troubles with that a few years ago
04:45<cforlife>tarzeau- can u please tell me if there r virus on linux
04:46<cforlife>i'm told that linux is virusproof
04:46<Hypcrum>cforlife: it is virus proof against windows viruses
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04:49<cforlife>hypcrum - is there any tool to convert .deb into .rpm packages?
04:49<tarzeau>cforlife: yes it's true
04:49<tarzeau>cforlife: yes, alien is the tool
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04:53<cforlife>HI XayOn
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04:55<cforlife>why everyone is quiet
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04:56<azeem_>it's a good sign, nobody is having issues with Debian
04:57<Hypcrum>If you go to the ubuntu IRC its buzzing with issues :P
04:58<jmm>umpft some debian server stopped accepting rsa key this morning.
04:58<jmm>it's runnin debian :\
05:01<adb>cforlife, ~~
05:01<cforlife>whats '~~'
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05:02<Hypcrum>Okay guys goodnight
05:03<cforlife>well ok
05:03<cforlife>this place is going dull
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05:04<Slydder>morning all.
05:04<cforlife>good afternoon!!
05:04<cforlife>Slydder - what is the time on you clock
05:05<Slydder>am trying to pipe all the output of debuild through tee and gzip to get a compressed log of the entire package build but for some reason it doesn't seem to want to work. I have tried variants of the following
05:05<Slydder>10 am
05:05<Slydder>(debuild -uc -us >&2) 2>&1 | tee /dev/tty 2>&1 | cat - | gzip > build_log.gz
05:05<cforlife>r u in china or japan
05:06<Slydder>debuild -uc -us 2>&1 | tee /dev/tty | gzip --stdout > build_log.gz
05:06<Slydder>and a few others
05:06<Slydder>no. germany
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05:06<cforlife>jmm - what about hypcrum
05:07<cforlife>jm_ - what about hypcrum
05:08<babilen>jmm: What do you mean by "stopped accepting rsa keys"? What is not working anymore? Please provide detailed information (output, logs, ...), use a pastebin if longer than 3 lines
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05:08<ansgar>Slydder: "{ echo hallo } 2>&1 | tee /dev/tty | gzip -c >foo.gz" Seems to work fine for me?
05:08<Slydder>for me as well
05:08<cforlife>now river flows
05:08<jmm>babilen: allright I'll make a pastebin.
05:09<Slydder>but as soon as I use debuild I get a filesize of 0
05:10<cforlife>|*****************i quit u guys keep this place up****************|
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05:11<SATA>who is cforlife
05:11<SATA>he/she talks so much
05:11<babilen>SATA: stop it please
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05:12<jmm>lemme rephrase my problem so.
05:12<ansgar>Slydder: Works as well. Did you wait until debuild finished?
05:13<Slydder>no. with tee you shouldn't need to wait till it's finished
05:13<jmm>there is some debian lenny server, I used to log in with a rsa key. this morning I could not login using the is the ssh -vvv output.
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05:13<ansgar>Slydder: gzip will not write immediately.
05:13<jmm>note that I tried another user with a dsa key, it worked.
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05:14<Slydder>ansgar: su to your normal user and try again.
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05:14<Slydder>ansgar: sorry
05:14<Slydder>jmm: that was for you
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05:15<Slydder>ansgar: gzip will wait till the entire stream is finished before it writes it?
05:15<jmm>Slydder: note that I'm not for login as root usually( but where I works it's like that ) . I tried with a user and a dsa key, it worked.
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05:16<ansgar>Slydder: If the input is small enough then it probably will.
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05:16<Slydder>at lines 78-80 it tries the keys for root and they are not accepted. which means they are probably under your normal user .ssh directory
05:16<jmm>Slydder: no it's not possible.
05:17<Slydder>ansgar: am rebuilding php5.3.1 and the normal log is over 4 gig.
05:17<jmm>note it find the rsa key still.
05:17<babilen>jmm: You either haven't copied roots key to the remote host or disabled root login through ssh
05:17<simonrvn>qwerty: you know we know you're cforlife ...
05:17<Slydder>which is why i am wanting to use tee with gzip
05:17<jmm>babilen: I did nothing :\ but it was working for a long time.
05:17<jmm>I think some coworked made a update a few time ago.
05:18<jmm>a debian update I mean.
05:18<Slydder>jmm. the server accepts keys. line 71
05:18<Slydder>but the keys root is offering are NOT being accepted. hence "wrong keys"
05:18<jmm>the type of the key ?
05:18<qwerty>all - i'm sorry
05:19<ansgar>Slydder: Works fine here. But with 4GB it really should write something before finishing.
05:19<Slydder>ansgar: exactly
05:19<Slydder>otherwise the partition is full.
05:19<Slydder>this is a virt host for package building only.
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05:21<Slydder>atm I have about 9 gig open but don't want to take the risk of filling it up because gzip wants to wait till the stream is finished before doing anything.
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05:22<Slydder>I could log it to our nfs backup server per ssh. lol
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05:30<deblin>can anyone tell me whick one is better compiz or compiz fusion
05:31<jmm>Slydder: excuse me, but I didn't understood well what you meant.
05:32<jmm>they keys haven't been changed for a while.since that account is used from a script launched by cron, I know the user is root.
05:33<Slydder>just treid: debuild -uc -us 2>&1 | tee >(/bin/gzip -c build_log.gz) had no effect
05:33<deblin>slydder - which ccsm u use
05:33<Slydder>wait a sec
05:33<Slydder>it did work
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05:34<deblin>can anyone tell me whick one is better compiz or compiz fusion
05:34<deblin>can anyone tell me whick one is better compiz or compiz fusion
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05:37<Slydder>deblin: i use e17
05:37<Slydder>at work e16
05:37<Slydder>all the extras and half the weight
05:38<deblin>do u know the place from where i can download drivers
05:38<deblin>for debian
05:39<Slydder>deblin: depends what you need
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05:39<Slydder>most drivers are already in kernel modules. you just have to make sure they are being loaded.
05:40<deblin>well i need video drivers as all the games in my pc works badly
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05:40<Slydder>check /etc/apt/sources.lst and make sure non-free is enabled. and if you are running lenny then also make sure backports are in.
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05:44<Slydder>ansgar: figured it out.
05:45<Slydder>it works just about anyway you want. but gzip has a slight delay in writing. it will save up a nice sized block and write it all at once to the archive and then start collecting again.
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05:45<deblin>slydder - do u know the location for video drivers?
05:46<ansgar>Slydder: That's what I meant at 18.13 :)
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05:46<Slydder>thought you meant that it would wait till the build is finished before it would write.
05:47<Slydder>as far as I knew gzip works better with a stream from stdin as from files.
05:47<Slydder>now I can really see how it works though. kinda cool actually.
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05:48<jmm>deblin what is your video card ?
05:49<jmm>oh he left.
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05:54<flixil>I just tried tegaki as a module for scim to input using chinese handwriting on debian. Do you know any other method to input characters that is good?
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06:31<davromaniak>I know it's not an only debian related question, but I would like to know if anybody knows good benchmarking tools for CPU and RAM of a Debian machine
06:31<davromaniak>for the hdd, I use iozone
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06:37<amol112>hi all ,while installing i am getting error as driver is not available ,my dvd drive is HL-DT-STDVD-ROM GDR-H30N ATA Device
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06:39<seeS>where is it saying driver is not available
06:39<Kwpolska>Hi. I ned small help about jigdo.
06:39<Kwpolska>Can I get specific jigdo image? I want a sid's dvd. Is there an option to get special image, eg. by editing files?
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06:40<seeS>you point it to a specific url which gives you that iso
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06:41<Kwpolska>the problem is: there is NO sid image.
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06:42<seeS>yeah, there isnt for sid
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06:42<Kwpolska>can I create one or use another method to get DVD with sid?
06:43<seeS>i dont think so, it moves to fast
06:43<Kwpolska>and another question. Can I connect with squeeze's CD to wireless internet? lsusb defines my card as Bus 001 Device 002: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless Adapter
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06:44<seeS>you could use testing CDs then upgrade
06:44<adb>,pciid 48f:2573
06:44<adb>,pciid 148f:2573
06:44<judd>[148f:2573] is 'Unknown device' from 'Plant Equipment, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also
06:44<jm_>Kwpolska: only with very limited set of wlan cards
06:44<seeS>that's pretty cool function
06:44<danzo>jmm - r u there
06:44<jm_>adb: this is USB ID, not PCI ID AFAIK
06:46<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Kwpolska -about rt73usb
06:46<jm_>if you mean internet durig installation, of course it's possible afterwards once you follow the wiki
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06:49<Kwpolska>for example?
06:50<jm_>I think installation manual mentiones them, but that's vague memory
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06:51<Kwpolska>I need to boot into squeeze vm
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06:53<danzo>jmm : r u there
06:53<jmm>I am.
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06:54<danzo> i'm sorry for quitting
06:54<Kwpolska>did someone knows how to install virtualbox guest addons on debian squeeze? It returns some error
06:54<jmm>hehe it's fine.
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06:55<danzo>can u give the drivers link again
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06:57<amol112>jm_, what is driver for ATA DVDROM ?
06:57<amol112>while installation getting error as no cdrom driver found
06:58<danzo>jmm - thanks ! i got it
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06:59<danzo>jmm - r u able to find who i'm
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06:59<jmm>not really, but I can get informations
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07:00<jmm>a simple /whois show some stuff already.
07:00<bremner>Kwpolska: I guess you need to be more specific about the error to have any chance of help
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07:00<bremner>!tell Kwpolska -about paste
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07:00<Kwpolska>bremner: it now compiles better
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07:00<Kwpolska>I've installed dkms and it compiles
07:00<danzo>like this
07:01<jmm>./whois jmm
07:01<jmm>without the .
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07:03<danzo>it does not dislplay anything
07:03<Kwpolska>wirking with 800x600 is totally annoying
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07:04<Kwpolska>the error that is causing my problem is: /tmp/vbox.1/utils.c:535: warning: passing argument 3 of ‘utf8_to_utf32’ from incompatible pointer type
07:04<jmm>danzo: those informations are displayed in the log window of your irc client.
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07:05<danzo>jmm - how an i open log window
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07:07<jmm>umm on xchat ? I can't remenber.
07:08<jmm>but it should be the first chat window opened or something.
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07:08<Kwpolska>I was opening xchat logs by vim/cat/another text edior.
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07:09<Kwpolska>Does anyone knows about the virtualbox guest additions?
07:10<bremner>Kwpolska: the message you reported is just a warning. Try pasting the whole output to some pastebin site.
07:10<Kwpolska>oh fail
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07:11<Kwpolska>there are packages for it
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07:15<danzo>jmm - can u explain what is a node
07:16<jmm>danzo: I guess it depend on the context.
07:16<jmm>which node are you talking about ?
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07:17<danzo>it is something used in c programming
07:17<jmm>no.I don't think so.
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07:18<seeS>yeah node is a pretty generic and overused term
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07:19<danzo>jmm - do u know about hacking
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07:20<leandrojpg>bomd ia
07:20<seeS>maybe he's a 53kr37 l337 h4x0r ? no?
07:20<jmm>bom dia leandrojpg .
07:20<leandrojpg>alguem do brasil para falar comigo?
07:21<danzo>jmm - what that means
07:21<jmm>eu nao fala o portuguese.
07:21<leandrojpg>ah sim
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07:21<jmm>falae ?
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07:22<danzo>jmm - tu mujhe tujhe pitne par majbur kar raha hai
07:22<danzo>jmm - samjhe?
07:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
07:22<jmm>majbur kar raah hai.
07:23<jmm>( it's a trick to speak a language your don't know, take the original sentence then mix it ;) )
07:23<danzo>jmm - pata nahi hai to mat bool
07:23<danzo>jmm - samjhe
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07:24<danzo>jmm - well i m speaking a language called hindi
07:24<bremner>please don't, here.
07:24<jmm>I saw you were efrom New Delhi.
07:24<leandrojpg>conhecer a comunidade
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07:25<danzo>jmm-really, but how?
07:25<danzo>jmm- u have made a wrong guess
07:26<bremner>!tell danzo -about ot
07:26<danzo>what is "ot"
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07:27<bremner>danzo: look for a private message from dpkg
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08:05<shiznatix>Hello. I always mount ssh connections as a local file system with nautlius but for some reason whenever i do the same thing for an FTP account with login, if I open a file to edit in gedit or anything then its [read only]. How can I make it read/write?
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08:37<Guest1989>hi all, is there a way to check for what bugs are in sid ? i remember long time ago i did something like that but forgot how to search
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08:46<schlurchz>Guest1421: for RC bugs, rc-alert does what you want. Dunno if there is a way to collect info about all bugs.
08:47<schlurchz>Guest1421: hmm, although rc-alert only takes packages into account that are installed on your machine
08:48<bremner>schlurchz: you are talking to the wrong Guest
08:48<schlurchz>bremner: oh, indeed :)
08:48<bremner>I know, they all look alike...
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09:10<Guest1991>Hello everybody, I installed Lenny on a Thinkpad R51. I have trouble with the alsa-mixer vs. hardware volume control. Could you help me?
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09:21<Guest1991>I have a problem with the hardware volume control buttons on my Thinkpad R51 running Lenny 5.0.4 - when I change the volume using the buttons, this affects all volume sliders in the mixer PLUS the hardware volume AND plays an annoying beep. First of all, I want the beep to stop. Second - it would be great to have the hardware volume set to max by default and have the thinkpad volume buttons control only the software master volume. How can I
09:21<cockroach>Guest1421: did you check thinkwiki?
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09:39<bremner>poor Guest 1421, all that unsolicited advice :)
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09:45<ml|>haha, oops wrong Guest ;)
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09:59<cockroach>oh, indeed :)
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10:09<Guest1991>As i Continued my research on the volume control problems, my question is now more specific - can you please tell me how to disable volume control from thinkpad-acpi?
10:09<chl>When building vbox from source, I encounter the kernel header missing message "Linux kernel headers not found at /usr/src/linux"
10:09<jm_>chl: do you have kernel headers installed?
10:09<chl>I try to link include (kernel header to /usr/src/linux
10:09<chl>I use vanilla kernel
10:10<chl>the header located under include
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10:10<chl>is this the right place to link to?
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10:10<jm_>you should not symlink anything manually
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10:10<chl>or what should I do?
10:10<chl>if I want to build vbox from source?
10:11<chl>because the kernel is manually built
10:11<jm_>are you using kernel or debian kernel?
10:11<chl>so there is no corresponded modules
10:11<chl>I use kernel source from
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10:11<chl>before installing vbox
10:11<chl>I had already built kernel from source (obtained from
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10:12<ml|>if you used make-kpkg, you use that to make a headers packaged also
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10:14<chl>building it. thanks.
10:14<jm_>doesn't vbox try to determine kernel headers location by looking at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source?
10:15<jm_>it definitely did for my bro
10:15<jm_>or maybe you're not building vbox module properly, but I have to go now
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10:16<ml|>chl: using vbox from their repos?
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10:18<chl>I run sudo aptitude install virtualbox-ose
10:18<chl>but it said
10:18<chl>Starting VirtualBox kernel modulesNo suitable module for running kernel found ... failed!
10:18<chl> failed!
10:19<chl>I check /lib/modules/
10:19<chl>I notice that source pointing to my original kernel top-level source folder
10:19<chl>but because previously I did not have enough space
10:19<chl>so I removed it.
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10:20<ml|>with vbox-ose, I do the following: install virtualbox-ose-source then m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-source
10:21<ml|>that is with debian kernel and headers
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10:22<chl>will try that definitively.
10:22<chl>thank you.
10:22<babilen>chl: Which version of Debian are you using?
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10:22<ml|>chl: np, btw this in testing
10:23<chl>i installed lenny, but now already upgraded it to squeeze.
10:24<babilen>!vbox-install squeeze
10:24<dpkg>As root: "modprobe -r vboxdrv vboxnetflt vboxnetadp ; aptitude update && aptitude install virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-dkms". After <DKMS> builds the necessary kernel modules, VirtualBox can be started. To not load the VirtualBox OSE modules at system startup, edit /etc/default/virtualbox-ose and set LOAD_VBOXDRV_MODULE to 0.
10:25<ml|>that's if you want to use dkms ^
10:25<chl>there is a problem running vbox in squeeze?
10:26<ml|>that's just showing how to do it using dkms, my method is manual
10:26<ml|>babilen: but he is using vanilla kernel, wonder if that will work for him
10:27<ml|>it should I think
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10:28<ml|>chl: make sure you have virtualbox-ose-qt installes also
10:28<babilen>vanilla? how boring - i prefer stracciatella (vanilla with some Debian bits in there)
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10:32<chl>I try to execute the command printed by dpkg suggests. looks like I've installed virtualbox-ose virtualbox-ose-dkms and virtualbox-ose-qt. the console says
10:32<chl>Reading state information... Done
10:32<chl>Reading extended state information... Done
10:32<chl>Initializing package states... Done
10:32<chl>Reading task descriptions... Done
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10:32<ml|>chl: use a pastebin
10:32<themill>dpkg: tell chl about paste
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10:34<chl>sorry. was not aware of that.
10:35<chl>looks like the virtualbox stuff is installed ok already.
10:35<chl>except module failed due to not installed.
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10:36<chl>so I think I still need to get the kernel header installed correctly so that the rest step (dkms, etc.) would work, right?
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10:37<ml|>thought you made the package and installed that already?
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10:37<chl>i am running make-kpkg -initrd .... at the moment, waiting the header to be done first.
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10:38<chl>previously I installed vbox successfully whilst still using debian header
10:38<chl>but failed after upgrade to squeeze because i've removed the debian kernel image.
10:39<ml|>btw, dpkg instructions and may suggestion is with debian stuff; not sure if they work with vanilla, but worth a try
10:41<chl>ok. will do that after make-kpkg. thanks for help. : )
10:41<ml|>np, good luck and please let use know how it went
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10:43<ml|>chl: btw the wiki explains most of this ...
10:44<chl>great. thank you very much.
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11:00<bja>!es-social ANTONELLA
11:00<dpkg>ANTONELLA: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:00<themill>!ubuntu-es ANTONELLA
11:00<dpkg>ANTONELLA: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
11:01<bja>ANTONELLA: Calla y lee un segundo
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11:04<AIntel>Questiong: Where can I get a beginner list of commands with definitions for Lenny?
11:05<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
11:05<ml|>AIntel: /msg dpkg reference
11:05<AIntel>Oh yeah huh... read the manual.
11:05<bja>AIntel: google unix rosseta stone
11:05<themill>!general cli tutorial
11:05<dpkg>i guess general cli tutorial is, or, or
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11:06<babilen>bja: :-D
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11:12<AIntel>babilen: Thanks
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11:13<AIntel>Another question: How can I change the color of the nick; when someone says my nick their nick is yellow, and with a white background is hard to see.
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11:13<babilen>AIntel: Use dark background - which client do you use?
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11:14<AIntel>babilen: irssi
11:16<bja>AIntel: you can install the package rute on the official repositories
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11:16<ml|>AIntel: that happens to alert you someone has directed a message to you
11:16<babilen>AIntel: --> hilight_color = ?? IIRC
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11:16<themill>!ubuntu-es miley
11:16<dpkg>miley: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
11:16<babilen>AIntel: If that does not work, ask in #irssi @
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11:17<bja>themill: silence miley
11:18<bja>miley: Tienes un mensaje privado
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11:20<bja>miley: Tienes una línea del lado izquierdo que pone bja por favor pica ahí con el boton izquierdo del mouse
11:21<bja>AIntel: he understood thanks
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11:22<lancelot_of>hi all
11:22<lancelot_of>i need a usb debian iso, where to find any?
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11:23<babilen>!usb install
11:23<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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11:24<babilen>lancelot_of: Follow the "Easy Method" outlined in the installation guide and download whatever ISO you want
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11:24<babilen>lancelot_of: Just make sure that you copy the ISO *file* and *not* its content to the stick
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11:31<lancelot_of>!install debian
11:31<dpkg>There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.)
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11:31<ml|>lancelot_of: /msg dpkg selftell
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11:39<yang>Hi ! Where could I get "ipmisensors" module to enable fans RPM and voltage for lm sensors ?
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11:43<Cadmium01>How do I make my system automatically update time? I updated timezone via /usr/bin/tzselect
11:43<Cadmium01>and installed ntpdate
11:44<cahoot>use ntp or chrony
11:44<cahoot>!set the time
11:44<dpkg>To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior.
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11:45<Cadmium01>so ntpdate is the wrong package? cahoot
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11:45<cahoot>it's for one-shot adjustment
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11:45<Cadmium01>what do you mean y that?
11:45<Cadmium01>oh, like one time only?
11:46<cahoot>it sets the time but doesn't update
11:46<Cadmium01>so if I install ntp package, set my timezone properly then at reboot it will correct itself?
11:46<cahoot>if the clock isn't wrong by too much yes
11:47<Cadmium01>how can I check current timezone?
11:47<Cadmium01>I used /usr/bin/tzselect to set it
11:48<ml|>ntp should do/msg dpkg ntp, if you want to use a closer pool /msg dpkg pool.ntp
11:48<cahoot>Cadmium01: date should tell
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11:49<ml|>what dpkg just said to change the time zone if needed
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11:50<Cadmium01>thanks guys
11:50<gsimmons>Cadmium01: Also, tzselect doesn't change the timezone ; /msg dpkg timezone
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12:20<Ox90>Hey there, im installing debian on a HP DL370G6, im looking for drivers for the nc375i network card, i read somewhere that the nx_nic module was removed from the latest stable release and i can't seem to find out how to get this working.
12:22<kop_>0x90: Is that wifi? Is it a firmware binary blob problem?
12:22<sney>I didn't think the dl series offered wireless.
12:22<Ox90>kop_: no its a quad port gigabit ethernet card
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12:23<Ox90>i spoke to HP, the offer an rpm containing the drivers, i used alien to convert it and installed it via dpkg
12:23<kop_>0x90: That sounds like a long-term maintenance headache.
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12:25<Ox90>kop_: lol sure, ubuntu contains the module i require, can i just pull the nc_nic.ko out of ubuntu?
12:25<kop_>0x90: If the problem is binary blobs in the firmware that have been declared non-free then you can enable the non-free repos and install the binary blog.
12:25<kop_>0x90: If it works with ubuntu that's likely the problem. Or your kernels not new enough and you need to get something newer from
12:26<Ox90>im using 2.6.26 on 5.04
12:26<Ox90>or is that the other way round :P
12:27<sney>if ubuntu's 2.6.26 has it working then it's almost definitely a firmware issue.
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12:29<kop_>0x90: may or may not help.
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12:30<sney>Ox90: I know this can be a little bit of a pain, but the debian way of doing things will give you better stability for your server. that's probably what you were looking for, right?
12:30<gsimmons>judd: pciid 4040:0100
12:30<judd>[4040:0100] is 'NX3031 Multifunction 1/10-Gigabit Server Adapter' from 'NetXen Incorporated' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'netxen_nic' in sid. See also
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12:31*themill was just about to do that....
12:31<sney>sounds like a job for the bpo kernel
12:32<gsimmons>Ox90: The driver is present, but 2.6.26 doesn't have support for the NC375i subdevice. No idea where the firmware (if required) is sourced from, it isn't in the linux-firmware tree.
12:33<kop_>gsimmons: How did you know the pciid?
12:33<bja>sney: afaik bpo != kmuto
12:33<sney>bja: yeah, but if sid has the module, and the 2.6.32 from bpo was formerly in sid, then it follows that that bpo kernel will have netxen_nic. Though I guess kmuto's installer may be what this guy really needs.
12:34<gsimmons>kop_: grepping through pci.ids on NC375i.
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12:35<themill>kop_: often, you can "/msg judd pciname nc375i" to work it out, but that doesn't work for subdevices like this one.
12:35<bja>sney: from that point of view you are right
12:35<kop_>I see.
12:36*themill isn't quite sure how to build sub-device matching into judd
12:36<Ox90>sorry was trying things :P sney: sure thats why i installed debian :P
12:37<Ox90>gsimmons: thanks for that, i think im just going to install ubuntu
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12:37<sney>your funeral
12:38<Mady>the your
12:38<Ox90>would you recommend installing sid instead?
12:39<bja>Ox90: installing lenny with bpo kernel is the most stable solution you will find
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12:44<Ox90>bja: just to confirm, i am installing lenny with the 2.26.7 kernel
12:45<ml|>judd: kernels
12:45<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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12:45<ml|>Ox90: see lenny-backports^
12:46<bja>yes, then install the bpo repo and upgrade to the bpo kernel, Look at it this way, its a newer kernel tropicalized for lenny
12:46<ml|>/msg dpkg bpo if not sure what bpo is
12:47<Ox90>i checked up
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12:48<Ox90>i'm going to give this a go. Thanks for your help so far! i'm sure i'll be back. If this works i'll be informing HP as to how i've completed it as they have asked for the info
12:48<Ox90>any of you have any objections?
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12:55<stuckey>I'm trying to copy files to a usb device. When I do it as regular user I get "Permission Denied" and when as root I get "input/output error".
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12:58<runev>Any ideas for software to create gantt charts which doesn't suck? or is it just a myth that such exists?
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13:02<kop_>stuckey: Is it mounted?
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13:04<stuckey>kop_: it transfered the second time
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13:06<melmothX>any idea about a clean backporting of texlive-xetex to lenny from squeeze?
13:06<ml|>!ubuntu-es AlVaRiToOo
13:06<dpkg>AlVaRiToOo: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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13:08<ml|>melmothX: not sure it is possible, but /msg dpkg ssb
13:09<melmothX>ml|: i'm puzzled because of the complexity of the texlive bundle
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13:09<themill>melmothX: with the amount that texlive has changed, I'd doubt it was going to be a "simple" backport.
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13:11<bja>anyone /msg chanserv quiet #debian add AlVaRiToOo!*@*
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13:11<melmothX>ok, thanks anyway. I think i'll install a vanilla texlive-2009 somewhere in the fs
13:12<babilen>melmothX: You might want to consider installing texlive2009 locally. On the Debian side:
13:12<melmothX>babilen: thanks, I was thinking exactly about that how-to
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13:12<babilen>melmothX: Great - it works fine :)
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13:14<scofield>salut a tous
13:14<melmothX>babilen: good to know :-)
13:14<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:14<scofield>j'ai une question bizzard es-ce qu'il ya virus sur linux?
13:14<dvs>scofield: non
13:14<bja>No, il nia pas des virus sur linux, mais si vous voulez ilya des personnes sur #debian-rf
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13:15<dvs>bja: you sure? ;-)
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13:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
13:15<bja>dvs: if you understand it the way that windows users do then you don't have them
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13:19<bja>dvs: if you think of them as vulnerabilities of a program, then every program has them, its a matter of time till you find them
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13:41<And1>Hey folks, on lenny this (in xorg.conf) worked on my us-keyboard for the EURO-sign: "XkbOptions" "eurosign:5,lv3:ralt_switch" (left ALT+5). On sid it doesn't, any ideas how to get it back?
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13:43<bja>!broken in sid
13:43<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
13:44<anao>Good Education Video Debian Basics
13:44<And1>bja: Maybe it's normal: Xorg.0.log says "(WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled."
13:46<bja>And1: Sid is beyond my knowledge, at the most i've poked squeeze a few times. For very specific cases
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13:48<edbian>Can anyone suggest a good cli-based bittorrent client? I'm having trouble with "btdownloadcurses" connecting to trackers
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13:49<ml|>And1: check the docs, you might need yo use a new option for that to work
13:49<kpoorman>i'm trying to find a package that contains /usr/bin/qemu-kvm for use with libvirt
13:50<And1>ml|: Maybe via dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration...
13:50<kpoorman>anyone have any ideas on where i could find it ?
13:50<ml|>And1: maybe, but I don't know
13:50<babilen>!tell kpoorman -about apt-file
13:51<kpoorman>babilen: I tried searching but no dice. I mean it has to exist for libvirt to work right ?
13:52<And1>Hmm, the changes of keyboard-configuration don't work. Maybe I'll have to restart something...
13:52<ml|>kpoorman: read the msg dpkg sent you
13:52<ml|>restart X?
13:52<babilen>kpoorman: Are you sure that you want exactly that executable (full path) ?
13:53<kpoorman>babilen: no. just need qemu-kvm
13:53<kpoorman>apt-file returns nothing
13:53<babilen>kpoorman: Ah, that makes a difference ;)
13:53<babilen>!tell kpoorman -about kvm
13:54<babilen>kpoorman: Try searching for "qemu-kvm"
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13:55<kpoorman>babilen: yeah, i'm trying to get the backports of squeeze to lenny working
13:55<ml|>kpoorman: backports of squeeze to lenny working?
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13:55<kpoorman>ml|: yeah, backports of kvm
13:56<babilen>,versions kvm
13:56<judd>kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1; lenny: 72+dfsg-5~lenny4; lenny-security: 72+dfsg-5~lenny5; squeeze-security: 72+dfsg-5+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 85+dfsg-4~bpo50+1; experimental: 88+dfsg-3; sid: 1:0.12.3+dfsg-4; squeeze: 1:0.12.3+dfsg-4
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13:56<ml|>kpoorman: you mean bpo aka lenny-bacports atm?
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13:57<edbian>Is there some reason that both rtorrent and btdownloadcurses can't connect to the pirate bay tracker?
13:57<ml|>ok, that's not squeeze/testing tho
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13:57<babilen>kpoorman: What are the problems you run into?
13:57<kpoorman>well libvirt is expecting /usr/bin/qemu-kvm
13:58<babilen>kpoorman: You might want to paste the commands and output to a pastebin, so we can take a look
13:58<kpoorman>and since it doesn't exist...
13:58<edbian>Can somebody recommend a bittorrent tracker instead of TPB ?
13:58<babilen>,versions libvirt-bin
13:58<judd>libvirt-bin -- etch-backports: 0.4.6-10~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.4.6-10; lenny-backports: 0.7.6-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.7.7-1; sid: 0.7.7-4
13:58<babilen>kpoorman: Both installed from backports?
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13:59<bja>carmecita: En la parte superior izquierda hay una linea que dice bja pica ahí con el boton izquierdo del raton
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14:00<kpoorman>babilen: yeah, libvirt0, libvirt-bin and kvm
14:00<kpoorman>all from backports
14:00<kpoorman>now we may be getting somewhere
14:00<babilen>kpoorman: Please provide the output in which libvirt complains, along the following:
14:00<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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14:02<babilen>kpoorman: I will leave soon - But i'm confident that #debian won't let you down. Good luck!
14:02<kpoorman>babilen: I think i have it working
14:02<kpoorman>just having a problem with my xml file
14:02<kpoorman>aparantly amd64 and hvm is a combo not supported
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14:03<babilen>kpoorman: It works fine here
14:03*babilen hides
14:03<kpoorman>babilen: I don't suppose you'd be willing to share a domain file ?
14:03<kpoorman>pastebin it
14:03<Ox90>guys, thankyou very much, i used lenny with the 2.6.32 kernel, nics are working!!!
14:03<babilen>kpoorman: Well, to clarify: I'm using virt-manager
14:04<kpoorman>what's virt-manager?
14:04<babilen>!congratulate Ox90
14:04<dpkg>Nice one Ox90, you did it!
14:04<ml|>beaten ;)
14:04<kpoorman>eh, no linux box here
14:04<kpoorman>babilen: no linux client here.
14:04<bja>No use fighting lag today :)
14:04<Ox90>!thankyou babilen
14:04<dpkg>Ox90: pas de quoi
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14:05<aguitel>i want to install squeeze in pc with windows & ubuntu installed ,can i do that and coexist 3 diferents systems?
14:05<babilen>dpkg: I love you
14:05<dpkg>I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/
14:05<babilen>dpkg: love babilen
14:05*dpkg makes love to babilen, caressing babilen's hair, whispering sweet nothings in babilen's ear...
14:05<babilen>Have a nice evening :)
14:05<kpoorman>babilen: still, can you share an example domain file ?
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14:07<Ox90>and even more thanks to sney, kop_ and ml|
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14:08<ml|>Ox90: not me but gsimmons and the rest; good that works for you :)
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14:10<bja>Ox90: Congrats, you made the right choices :)
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14:21<And1>Got another question. When using 's2disk', I get this message: "s2disk: Could not use the resume device (try swapon -a). Reason: No such device" ... /etc/uswsusp.conf says resume device = /dev/md1. Why doesn't debian use the swap partition until I do a swapon?
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14:22<And1>Also 'swapon -a' doesn't work, I need a specific 'swapon /dev/md1'.
14:23<petemc>is there an entry in fstab ?
14:23<And1>Yup. Even with the UUID.
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14:24<ml|>And1: might help ... /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting
14:24<And1>'swapon -a' says, "swapon: cannot find the device for UUID=6fb2db39-3362-4b38-b297-7dc3176f60c9". How can I test, if it's still the right UUID? Where is 'vol_id'?
14:25<And1>/dev/md1: TYPE="swap", not more.
14:25<ml|>Torsten_W: thanks, I mistype that a lot :)
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14:26<ml|>can also just ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
14:27<And1>there /dev/md1 doesn't appear. Mh, seems it really has no UUID. How can that be?
14:27<dpkg>Cheese is a webcam application for <GNOME> similar to Apple Inc's Photo Booth. Officially a part of GNOME since version 2.22. #cheese on See also <webcam>.
14:28<ml|>And1: is that a raid setup?
14:28<ml|>Hypcrum: /msg dpkg selftell
14:28<And1>ml|: Yup. Raid1.
14:29<And1>All other partitions too. They also have UUIDs. And the one of swap, I did also get it via vol_id back on lenny.
14:31<ml|>hmm, I don't know maybe UUID stuff works differently with raid setups?
14:32<And1>But for the other raid partitions it works, though...
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14:32<ml|>yeah, weird
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14:33<And1>After changing fstab, do I have to restart something?
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14:34<And1>Mh, seems 'swapon -a' works with '/dev/md1' in fstab instead of the UUID. Though it's weird, it doesn't work.
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14:45<wferi>Hi! If I first create /etc/ntp.conf then aptitude install ntp, dpkg asks me about the conffile conflict. How could I avoid this (apart from overwriting /etc/ntp.conf after the aptitude run)?
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14:46<ml|>And1: for stuff that is already mounted and after editing fstab you should 'mount -o remount /' for example man mount explains
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14:48<And1>ml|: Thanks. :)
14:48<And1>Should a swap-partition be primary or logical?
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14:50<seek3r>My wifi devices are not working in debian, my network settings say that the wireless connection is in roaming mode but doesnt display any wireless network connections
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14:53<Ox90>And1, how many partitions do you have? i would use a primary partition personally
14:54<cahoot>does it matter at all?
14:54<And1>Mh, 5, I think.
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14:54<ml|>how many max primary>
14:55<Ox90>apparently it does not matter
14:55<Ox90>its actually the default for an ubuntu install
14:55<ml|>yeah, just wondering
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14:55<And1>Hmm, after formatting my swap partition it got a UUID. I put it in /etc/fstab. 'swapon -a' now says, swapon: /dev/md1: read swap header failed: Invalid argument. Why does it look for /dev/md1? :-o
14:56<Ox90>you using raid?
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14:57<Ox90>its the first partition of your raid array
14:58<And1>Mh, should'n 0 be the first?
14:58<And1>/dev/md0 is /.
14:59<And1>blkid also shows the UUID of /dev/md1 now. But swapon still want's to start /dev/md1. Though it's no more in /etc/fstab and I even restarted my PC.
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15:00<ml|>And1: how did you create the swap?
15:00<And1>ml|: With cfdisk.
15:01<And1>Type: Linux swap / solaris
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15:01<And1>Not bootable. Should it be?
15:01<ml|>ok, just making sure; no need for boot stuff
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15:02<ml|>cat /proc/swaps shows?
15:03<And1>Mh, nothing. (Just Filename, Type, Size, Used, Priority)
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15:04<seek3r> My wifi devices are not working in debian, my network settings say that the wireless connection is in roaming mode but doesnt display any wireless network connections
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15:04<ml|>And1: no /dev/...
15:04<And1>ml|: Nope. Maybe I should try mkswap?
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15:04<dr|z3d>seek3r: try installing wicd
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15:05<cahoot>seek3r: more actual details on the wifi chip might be useful
15:05<dr|z3d>seek3r: might help, might not. can't hurt.
15:06<ml|>And1: not sure what's going on, but you can turn off swaps swapoff -a and use mkswap -L swap /dev/... can omit -L...
15:06<seek3r>dr|z3d, already have tryed that, and my wifi chip details are : Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002b (rev 01)
15:06<seek3r>Im using the ath9k driver btw
15:07<cahoot>seek3r: the pciid - lspci -nn | grep -i net
15:07<And1>ml|: Yup, that worked... 'mkswap'...
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15:08<And1>How can I add/edit labels to/of partitions?
15:08<seek3r>cahoot, Im sorry i dont follow =/ Im still farley new to linux
15:08<dr|z3d>And1: Use gparted if you like a ui.
15:08<seek3r>mv farely fairly
15:08<cahoot>seek3r: run lspci -nn | grep -i net, the pciid is in the form xxxx:xxxx
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15:09<ml|>And1: e2label /dev.. foo or tune2fs -L foo /dev/ for example
15:09<And1>dr|z3d: Wouldn't like to use a ui.
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15:11<dr|z3d>And1: I don't know offhand the command line kung fu.. someone else might.
15:12<And1>K. No I wonder, why 'blkid' show only the added Label at last, but all other labels, which where added on install, at first. :P
15:12<ml|>dr|z3d: read up ;)
15:12<seek3r>cahoot, 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02)
15:12<seek3r>07:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:002b] (rev 01)
15:13<cahoot>,pciid 168c:002b
15:13<judd>[168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also
15:14<seek3r>cahoot, so that is my pciid?
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15:14<cahoot>seek3r: yes and ath9k seems to be what it needs
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15:15<cahoot>seek3r: iwlist scan returns a choice of ap's?
15:15<seek3r>cahoot i thought it already came with the kernal update
15:15<seek3r>mv kernal kernel
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15:15<cahoot>seek3r: just confirming your use of the module
15:15<seek3r>wlan0 No scan results
15:16<cahoot>seek3r: modprobe -r ath9k; modprobe ath9k; dmesg - any complaints?
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15:18<seek3r>cahoot, when i type dmsg there are quite a few warnings and messages do you want me to pastebin them?
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15:19<cahoot>seek3r: the last 20 or so lines would suffice
15:19<virion>probably a stupid question
15:19<virion>but my brians a bit dead now
15:19<virion>looking to find what download i want
15:19<virion>ie which cd
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15:23<ml|>virion: describe your system specs and your usage for someone to help you
15:25<virion>quadcore 2.66, 4 gig ram, to be used for compiling/coding
15:27<virion>that what you mean?
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15:29<ml|>that should support amd64; read the following ... /msg dpkg amd64 ; if not sure, you can use i386 with bigmem kernel
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15:30<cahoot>seek3r: rt2870sta: firmware file rt2870.bin request failed - why is that module loaded?
15:31<seek3r>cahoot, Heck if i know?? Should it be loaded?
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15:34<cahoot>seek3r: AFAIK that module is for ralink devices (wifi)
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15:34<seek3r>cahoot, i have external wifi device pluged in aswell
15:35<seek3r>it doesnt work either
15:35<seek3r>were as it used to work with my previous installation of debian
15:35<cahoot>seek3r: unplug the external, unload and reload ath9k again
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15:37<And1>How can I read system mails with mutt instead of 'mail'?
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15:38<rudi_s>And1: Just call mutt. It should automatically load your spoolfile in /var/mail/<username>
15:38<And1>rudi_s: Nope. But maybe because I start mutt via 'mutt -f $HOME/.Maildir'.
15:39<rudi_s>And1: Yeah, if you do that mutt opens ~/.Maildir of course and not your spoolfile.
15:39<ml|>!ubuntu-es lorena
15:39<dpkg>lorena: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
15:39<lorena>quien eres
15:39<And1>rudi_s: Yup. Thanks though, I'll change that, don't use .Maildir on my local PC.
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15:39<rudi_s>And1: You can open the spoolfile with c !
15:40<lorena>me conoces
15:40<And1>Well, I would, but I don't get mutt to write send messages.
15:40<ml|>lorena: no. ase lo que dijo dpkg por favor
15:40<rudi_s>! is a shortcut for the spoolfile.
15:40<And1>Using nullmailer. Don't really know how to configure it, so it sends mails to the web.
15:40<lorena>que quien eres
15:40<rudi_s>And1: What's the problem? You either need a local mailserver (correctly configured!) or just use a SMTP server.
15:41<And1>Think the SMTP-server is the problem.
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15:41<rudi_s>And1: What error do you get?
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15:43<And1>rudi_s: Hmm, no error. To be honest I don't know the smtp data of the server. Also the admins don't. Tzz...
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15:43<rudi_s>And1: Sorry, but what do you expect then .. get the login username/password and configure mutt to use them ... or use a different SMTP server (for example the one with which you send your normal mails).
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15:44<And1>Uh, with just changing the hostname in muttrc it works. Strange.
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15:49<And1>In lenny it didn't, btw. Now on sid it does.
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15:57<comboz0r>tengo una duda! estoy configurando el squid + dansguardian me descargue el paquete de las blacklist pero no se como hacer que funcionen todas esas url de la lista negra si alguien me puede ayudar,, ante mano gracias
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16:03<jhutchins_lt>comboz0r: I would, but my spanish is really weak.
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16:18<usuario>hola perra
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16:27<themill>!es-social osky
16:27<dpkg>osky: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:38<oskarlinux>no como usar este chat alguien me ayuda
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16:45<cesurasean>Ok, I'm having a problem connecting through a switch to some boxes. I'm able to ping myself from within the box, but not able to ping the box from outside of it?
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16:46<cesurasean>all 4 servers do not seem to have a connection with that switch, though. :/
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16:51<cesurasean>seems to be the network card on the backup server. any clue how to fix this, anyone?
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16:51<cesurasean>it has worked previously.
16:51<retrospectacus>cesurasean: that's not really a Debian question... maybe ask #networking on
16:51<cesurasean>retrospectacus, sure it is.
16:51<cesurasean>retrospectacus, debian isn't functioning correctly, fool.
16:52<cesurasean>either that, or hardware failure.
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16:52<themill>Good way of soliciting help, insulting the people who might help you....
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16:53<cesurasean>themill, people in #networking will tell me to come to #debian. trust me.
16:53<avu>cesurasean, you're not providing enough information too
16:53<cesurasean>avu, what type of information can i provide? ifconfig shows the link active.
16:54*themill wonders what "ping myself from within the box" means
16:54<avu>ip a, ip r, what you found using dmesg, you not even told us that you checked if the lights are blinking.. :)
16:54<cesurasean>it has worked before, also. this is the 2nd card that ive had issues with. seems funny with debian.
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16:54<cesurasean>should i install the nonfree drivers, and see if that takes over and works?
16:54<cesurasean>retrospectacus, these are things networking wouldn't know about.
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16:54<avu>since you haven't told us what hardware you have, how can we know if 'the nonfree drivers' are likely to help?
16:54<themill>wth does "install the nonfree drivers" mean?
16:55<paggas>Under debian, when mutt autogenerates a "From:" header, does it peek into exim's configuration?! Because that's what it looks like on my box, unless mutt gets its "From:" header via sendmail or something...
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16:55<avu>paggas, /etc/mailname probably
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16:55<cesurasean>00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
16:55<avu>(not a mutt user though, so just guessing)
16:55<cesurasean>i assume Dell does not ship these, correct?
16:55<avu>cesurasean, that's not a NIC
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16:55<cesurasean>either that, or 04:04.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] (rev 20)
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16:55<paggas>avu: Ahaaaaa, makes sense, thanks :)
16:56<themill>cesurasean: "lspci -nn" is much more useful
16:56<cesurasean>00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DC Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02)
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16:56<avu>themill, have you checked the driver db?
16:56<avu>!which driver
16:56<dpkg>To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:56<avu>cesurasean, ^
16:56<themill>,pciid 8086:104b
16:56<avu>also, again, see dmesg, ip a, ip r
16:56<judd>[8086:104b] is '82566DC Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also
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16:57<cesurasean>00:19.0 0200: 8086:104b (rev 02)
16:57<cesurasean>how do i apt-get install e1000e?
16:58<themill>You've already got it
16:58<cesurasean>themill, any clue why it has stopped working then? heh
16:58<cesurasean>gonna go make sure its plugged in
16:58<avu>also, again, see dmesg, ip a, ip r
16:59<themill>cesurasean: "stopped working"... does this mean that you've already had this hardware setup working? Why are you making this so hard?
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17:01<cesurasean>i plugged it in, nothing, kept plugging and it works now.
17:01<Faratl>hello everyone
17:02<cesurasean>didnt have a connection for whatever reason, i guess...
17:02<cesurasean>thx guys
17:02<Faratl>any modding tips
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17:04<themill>Faratl: stick to #ubuntu on
17:06<paggas>Is /etc/mailname also used for internal mails, such as mails from cron, etc?
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17:07<themill>paggas: man 5 mailname just says "many programs", but normally your local MTA will add the necessary headers to cron (probably using the information in that file!)
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17:10<kop_>paggas: If nothing else does the job MTAs are expected to add hostnames to non-local mail at least.
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17:20<Miyavix3>I have a question about the installation process. I'm at the point where I need to enter my ESSID for my wlan0. Afterwards it says I need to enter my WEP key. Only problem is, I'm not using WEP.
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17:20<Miyavix3>Does it have anything to do with iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode?
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17:29<Miyavix3>I'll be back
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17:29<zulu>where do you put python script in a fhs compliant system like debian?
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17:33<themill>zulu: if it's designed to be executed by anyone on the box, then /usr/local/bin is probably the place you're looking for.
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17:34<zulu>if I create a package for it? /usr/bin ?
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17:42<zulu>thanx themill
17:42<zulu>I saw in my /usr/bin many python script without .py nor .pyc extension
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17:43<avu>zulu, yes, you shouldn't concern your users with what programming language your app is written in
17:43<themill>zulu: correct. Extensions are an unnecessary detail for linux. Other legacy operating systems seem transfixed by them however
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17:44<avu>themill, well, when developing they are useful for filename matching when using find/grep and friends :)
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17:44<avu>also, editors need less dodgy magic to know what kind of mode to switch to
17:45<avu>themill, also, gcc in fact uses extensions to determine what to do with a file :(
17:45<themill>editors do pretty well without that though. They can call libmagic and get those details from the shebang in the case of such scripts
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17:45<themill>avu: yeah I know.... but if we stick to /usr/bin :)
17:46<avu>well, when developing python, usually only one or two files in your repo have a shebang
17:46<avu>true, just being a pain, not arguing about the case of scripts in $PATH ;)
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17:55<Hypcrum>whats the point of "su -"
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17:56<weasel>becoming root?
17:56<Hypcrum>with the '-'
17:56<weasel>the manpage tells you I think
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17:56<Hypcrum>yea... "provides an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly."
17:56<vook>the '-' turns it into a full login shell
17:56<weasel>it gives you a login shell as oposed to a non-login shell
17:57<Hypcrum>ohhh gotcha..
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18:19<desafder>i have been using shunit2 now i like to propose changes to the package what is the procedure if any to publish my changes
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18:22<vook>go to the project home page
18:22<bja>desafder: I would think contacting upstream so they know about it, but then again ymmv
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18:32<pegaso>hi guys! Do you know a rapid way to boot linux from a logical partition without GRUB, LILO, ...?
18:32<pegaso>something like a boot option from the debian cd....
18:32<bja>pegaso: Asking in various channels is not polite
18:33<pegaso>why? if someone is just in one..?!
18:33<pegaso>or you're in everyone but it doesn't seem too annoying to me..
18:33<pegaso>but welll...ok
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18:39<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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18:54<Hypcrum>pegaso: why don't you just use grub and like set the time to 0?
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19:00<h4ck3rk1ng>I5 4NY0N3 H3R3?
19:00<dpkg>FUKN SPEK PRPLY U FKN M0R0NZ!!!!11 See <sms-over-irc> <ne1> <lol> <2> <u> <r> <k>, or see;action=display;threadid=17720. Adding -ies, -rama or any other puerile suffix to words also qualifies, and will entitle you to a free glass of shut the fuck up.
19:00<h4ck3rk1ng>I NEED HELP INSTALLING
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19:00<h4ck3rk1ng>A WIFI DRIVER FOR MY DISTRO
19:00<themill>h4ck3rk1ng: start by turning off your capslock
19:01<h4ck3rk1ng>i need help installing wifi driver.
19:01<themill>h4ck3rk1ng: you want #ubuntu on
19:01<h4ck3rk1ng>hw do you know i use ubuntu???
19:01<amphi>be afraid...
19:01<h4ck3rk1ng>of what
19:01<h4ck3rk1ng>should i be afraid
19:02<azeem_>your IP is exposed in your hostmask
19:02<themill>ESP-over-TCP/IP... we work on these skills.
19:02<pegaso>the pc is not mine.. for various reasons I'd like not to touch the MBR, so I wonder if you can boot /mnt/hda5 from 1) a live cd 2)the debian installer cd
19:02<h4ck3rk1ng>hello, can aanyone
19:03<h4ck3rk1ng>m4sturb4t3 me?
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19:07<Hypcrum>pegaso: Why do they want linux on their computer and dont want a boot loader?
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19:08<pegaso>because the notebook has a particular MBR that lets you restore the svista partition from an hidden one
19:08<pegaso>through a keyboard shortcut
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19:09<pegaso>so the best thing would be to be able to boot from a live cd
19:09<pegaso>with a command
19:09<pegaso>but I only get the "boot from first hard drive" option
19:09<pegaso>that wil launch svista
19:10<Hypcrum>i know there is a way to add something to the windows boot loader to launch linux partition
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19:10<Hypcrum>its called grub4dos or wingrub
19:10<pegaso>that would be fine as well
19:11<Hypcrum>I've never used it so i don't promise anything :P
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19:11<Hypcrum>do you already have linux installed on that partition?
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19:12<pegaso>yes but I had to choose to install grub on /dev/hda5 instead of MBR so now it obviously doesn't boot linux
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19:12<Hypcrum>i would guess that wingrub would work
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19:13<abrotman>put it back!!
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19:14<pegaso>I'll search wingrub
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19:14<kham>or don't you have a usb stick ? install grub on it with entries for both systems
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19:14<Hypcrum>kham: good idea... i didnt think of that haha
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19:15<pegaso>yes but I don't want to give my friend my usb..! :D
19:15<Hypcrum>If the notebook has a sd slot that would work too.. so you dont always have something sticking out
19:15<pegaso>my usb stick
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19:16<kham>well that's another matter...
19:16<pegaso>maybe there's a live cd option for grub like configfile (hdx,x)/boot/grub/menu.lst
19:16<Hypcrum>you could also look into making a cd with grub
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19:17<pegaso>I don't want to waste an entire CD for 3 kb..
19:17<Panko>pegaso: have you tried with super grub disk
19:18<pegaso>does it detect on the fly every bootable partition?
19:18<Panko>with it you can boot from any partition on hd, or recover a damaged grub
19:19<Panko>super grub disk is a live-cd, untill i remember, it detects any partition on hd and can do a boot from it
19:19<pegaso>ok, that's another good hint
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19:19<ml|>Panko: that can be used to install or reinstall grub right?
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19:19<pegaso>now I'm ggling for the above command
19:19<Panko>(sorry about my english, is learned at pubs ;) )
19:20<pegaso>you from?
19:20<Panko>yes ml| it was made for that
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19:20<Panko>i'm spanish
19:20<ml|>thought so just making sure
19:20<abrotman>jeez .. they must speak a lot of english at the pubs .. or they watch a lot of law&order
19:21<Panko>btw, there is an util for windows, called easybcd to easy configure windows boot, and add entries for grub4dos or wingrub
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19:22<Panko>i'm dart player... so who play better and where? in english pubs :p
19:22<Hypcrum>Thats quite silly
19:22<bja>naa, irish pubs
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19:28<pegaso>how can I discover the device mount point of an usb key? with lsusb no luck
19:29<azeem_>pegaso: run "mount"
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19:30<Hypcrum>does it auto mount when you plug it in?
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19:55<Verre>ml|,hi again, last time i checked, you or someone suggested to move my /boot to another partition. still thinking that way? =)
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19:57<ml|>Verre: I prefer it that way, incase I ever want to change things around; some things need /boot to in it's own partition; it's your call tho
19:58<bja>Verre: df -h will show you your partitions and how much free space you have on each one of those
19:58<Verre>bja, that i know
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19:59<Verre>i just don't have any clues how to move something like /boot to another partition
19:59<bja>Verre: ls / will show you the obvios all the subdirs under / the difference between those two are subdirs inside / that you can experiment to move to a non full partition
19:59<ml|>and it takes some doing on a working system
20:00<Verre>the doing part is what i don't know how to =)
20:00<ml|>Verre: if all is working fine now I'd leave it as is, keep it in mind for future installs
20:00<bja>Verre: man mv and man ln will tell you a lot of info
20:01<bja>Verre: This is not for the faint of heart tho
20:01<Verre>obviously i know how to use mv and cp etc. but i guess it's a little more complicated than that
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20:01<ml|>yeah it's not
20:01<bja>Verre: If it is not broken, i think you better not fix it.
20:02<Verre>then the remaining guestion is how to do apt-get dist-upgrade?
20:03<ml|>Verre: lenny right?
20:03<bja>Verre: /topic or /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
20:03<meowcats>is apt-get dist-upgrade synonymous with aptitude full-upgrade?
20:04<ml|>meowcats: yes
20:05<themill>sort of
20:05<Verre>bja, hmm.. i mean how do i perform that task when it says not enough disk space. i'm not thinking of upgrading to something else than lenny right now
20:06<ml|>Verre: like we all said before, make room some how
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20:07<Verre>so there is not a way to temporarily move some folder that dpkg uses to somewhere else while updating?
20:08<Verre>i remember someone saying something like that
20:08<bja>Verre: there is, the implications are various, the risks are also various, if you move the wrong stuff to the wrong place you will end up on a very tight spot.
20:09<bja>btw i said it yesterday
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20:10<bja>Also it would be nice if you filed a bug report on your architecture, so people working on it can forsee the little problem and avoid other users more inconvieniences
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20:16<bja>Verre: If you have a usb disk or somekind of backup media, i would suggest backing up your /etc and /home subdirs (don't forget /var/lib if you have db), before trying to resize your / partition or doing a fresh install. (you know staying on the safe side of the road)
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20:17<ml|>allways is great to have backups for things like these; easier to change things around
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20:25<Verre>bja, i already have fresh backup of everything on usb stick
20:26<k-man>any idea how to, or if its even possible, to adjust the overscan you get using radeon s-video tv-out in xorg?
20:28<bja>Verre: use gparted to resize things to your liking, if you screw things up, then a fresh install would be necesary
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20:28<meowcats>k-man fglrx or radeon driver?
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20:30<ml|>when I moved stuff around I just wipe it all and created all new /boot / etc.. and just moved things back from backup and reinstalled grub
20:32<bja>Verre: if you feel more at home with cli you can use parted :)
20:32<Verre>have to think about that option
20:33<ml|>btw, using grml livecd
20:33<bja>or finnix
20:33<Verre>i don't feel at home with either of them. my experience with those are close to none
20:33<pegaso>ok, I'm about to cry!
20:33*dpkg sulks quietly
20:33<pegaso>I did a USB stick grub install
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20:33<ml|>I did it that way, since I also wanted to use ext4
20:34<pegaso>but I can't boot???
20:34<pegaso>I need a quick explanation
20:34<pegaso>in menu.lst
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20:35<pegaso>in the FIRST line: root (hd1,0)
20:35<pegaso>refers to?
20:36<pegaso>and why there's another in the second line?
20:36<pegaso>the howto tells that if you boot from USB /dev/sda and /dev/sdb are inverted...
20:36<pegaso>I'm gonna cry...
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20:37<bja>!confort pegaso
20:37<dpkg>There, there, bja. pegaso will give a spelling checker for your birthday.
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20:38<pegaso>how comes that if you install grub to a floppy, ofr instant, you just copy /boot to it?
20:38<pegaso>the references... ah, there you have no problem because it's not a /dev/sd*
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20:40<bja>How do i check if a package was installed because it is a dependency or because i decided it was a good choice to perform that particular task?
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20:44<babilen>bja: aptitude why <package> ?
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20:44<themill>deps will also be marked as Automatically Installed in "aptitude show packagename" or aptitude's search output
20:45<bja>babilen: thx, It was qpopper, i checked the dependants and it was exim4 so i went ahead and replaced it with dovecot
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20:45<bja>themill: thx
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20:58<k-man>meowcats: radeon driver
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21:27<seek3r>lspci | grep audio doesnt display my audio device what can i do to fix this?
21:28<abrotman>seek3r: lspci | grep -i audio
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21:28<SuperMiguel>i just followed this guide: and when i vnc i just get a grey screen any ideas?
21:29<seek3r>abrotman, Thanks
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21:35<k-man>sometimes its the simple things ;)
21:35<k-man>good catch abrotman
21:36<k-man>re grep -i
21:37<k-man>SuperMiguel: iirc, xvnc does not use the same xinitrc as default X, so your probably just not getting a window manager - ages ago i solved that problem by ln -s xinitrc vncinitrc or something similar
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21:42<SuperMiguel>is vnc the fastest way i have to remotelly view my screen?
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21:50<seek3r>SuperMiguel, Btw teamviewer is fully compatible with wine xD, just found that out earlier.
21:51<SuperMiguel>seek3r, cool :P
21:51<SuperMiguel>seek3r, didnt know :
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21:57<seek3r>I have another question for you guys. I have followed this guide to get my sound to work, yet it still fails =/ anyone have any suggestions?
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22:00<abrotman>which part doesn't work ?
22:00<seek3r>All my sound doesnt work
22:00<seek3r>I followed the guide exactly
22:01<seek3r>still no sound
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22:05<hitchup>How can i verify that my graphics card and monitor are present to Debian?
22:06<hitchup>and being addressed
22:06<sney>there should be something on the screen
22:07<sney>if there's visual output, you've got both. if there isn't visual output, it's probably a hardware problem.
22:07<abrotman>seek3r: lspci | grep -i audio ?
22:07<hitchup>i have the screen preset and appears to work but i can't get openGL to work
22:08<sney>hitchup: what graphics card?
22:08<hitchup>intel GM965
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22:10<hitchup>downloaded the Qt library but it said it was for manual install
22:10<sney>hmm, that should work out of the box, but make sure you have libdrm-intel1 and the libgl1-mesa packages installed
22:10<hitchup>how do I move to the install
22:10<sney>Qt doesn't have anything to do with opengl support
22:11<hitchup>ok ill try those packages
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22:14<vhann>Hi, I'm searching for a program (named something like mjpeg-index in my memories) which would fix the timer on the MPEG files my tv-tuner card produces. Does someone have an idea what the package for this program is named?
22:14<seek3r>abrotman, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
22:15<abrotman>seek3r: uname -r ?
22:15<SuperMiguel>they havent fix the virutalbox thing right? where you get the moved temporary error
22:15<seek3r>abrotman, 2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64
22:16<abrotman>there is now a .32 in bpo
22:16<ml|>SuperMiguel: what release?
22:16<ml|>of debian
22:17<seek3r>abrotman, What?
22:18<ml|>meaning to try with newer kernel from bpo?
22:18<SuperMiguel>ml|, lenny, vbox 3.1
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22:19<Miyavix3>I couldn't get my network card to work on install so I skipped it. How do I get my network card working now? I'm willing to re-install, if needed.
22:19<abrotman>judd: kernels
22:19<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.2-686 (2.6.32-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
22:19<SuperMiguel>nu the one on deb lenny non-free
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22:20<sney>hitchup: there are 2 libgl1-mesa packages, libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri. you need both for opengl to work. And please keep questions in the channel.
22:21<ml|>SuperMiguel: you need to ask in... #vbox on
22:22<gsimmons>Miyavix3: What network card/device do you have?
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22:23<Miyavix3>gsimmons: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG
22:23<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Miyavix3 -about iwlwifi
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22:24<kcynice>hi, all. i installed a testing debian, but i can't login into the new system. how to resolve such a problem?
22:24<hitchup>sney: apt-get install libgl1-mesa-glx -- say preset but needs manual install (how-to?)
22:24<sney>hitchup: what?
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22:25<mitchell>is this the OFFICIAL channel of debian?
22:25<sney>mitchell: yes.
22:25<mitchell>why? the one on freenode has a lot more users and freenode is like made for linux :P
22:25<Miyavix3>gsimmons: Would it be easier to load from a flash drive, or go on a wired connection?
22:26<hitchup>i receive the message that it is present and up to date but it needs manual install. How do I manually install?
22:26<SuperMiguel>mitchell, windows has alot of users too :)
22:26<sney>mitchell: beats me, but oftc used to have, so that probably has something to do with it. And not everyone wants to participate in freenode politics.
22:27<mitchell><mitchell_> is this the official support for debian
22:27<mitchell><streuner> one of many, why?
22:27<mitchell>i like freenode
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22:27<gsimmons>Miyavix3: Usually the latter, if available. Fortunately you only require one package from non-free regardless.
22:27*sney wonders what that was all about
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22:28<streuner>sney: sounds somebody had some thoughts about past...
22:29<hitchup>sney: i receive the message that it is present and up to date but it needs manual install. How do I manually install?
22:29<streuner>sney: no worries, its history...
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22:29<sney>hitchup: can you copy the message you're getting and paste it on ?
22:29<hitchup>yes be a bit
22:31<sney>kcynice: you're the second person lately with that problem, it seems the testing installer has a problem with user creation. You should be able to boot into rescue mode and set a root password, and then you can log in as root and create a user.
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22:33<ml|>sney: iirc the other person was user error, on his second try it worked fine
22:33<kcynice>thanks sney, but, i had tried to boot into recovery mode, but there was a message said, "sulogin: root account is locked."
22:33<sney>kcynice: boot with a livecd, chroot into your debian system, and try that way
22:34<vhann>Alright, mencoder can do MPEG indexing (just in case someone else had the same problem as I do)
22:34<kcynice>and, although i had created a new user and set some password, i still can't login as the new user account.
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22:36<SuperMiguel>if i change my cpu from a non vt enabled cpu to a vt enabled cpu do i need to reload?
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22:37<hitchup>sney: Nevermind appears to have been a head space problem with hitchup unable to read and understand the print out from apt-get.
22:38<kcynice>sney, im sure i have a new account created. but it still can't login into
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22:40<sney>hitchup: good to hear, now see if mesa-utils is installed and if so run glxgears to test opengl
22:41<sney>kcynice: probably a problem with setting the password, if you chroot into your debian system you can change the password
22:41<hitchup>sney: Okay
22:41<kcynice>but the root account has been locked
22:42<sney>kcynice: you don't need the root password to use chroot, thankfully.
22:42<kcynice>ok. i will have a try.
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22:44<hitchup>sney: running at 205 fps
22:44<sney>for a 900-series intel that sounds about right
22:45<hitchup>sney: thank you
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22:46<kcynice>sney, im sorry, how to use chroot to fix my system?
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22:48<sney>kcynice: boot a livecd, mount your debian / partition on /mnt/foo, then chroot /mnt/foo
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22:49<kcynice>how about mount this disk on another old debian system?
22:49<kcynice>because i have no live cd
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22:50<onecallednick>I have a strange problem with Squeeze on my EeePC 900HA. I can't connect to my home Wi-Fi network, but I can connect to other networks!
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22:51<onecallednick>It's not the hardware, cuz I'm running Chromium OS on it now using the wi-fi that Squeeze can't connect to.
22:51<sney>kcynice: the installer can be used too.
22:51<onecallednick>anyone out there have any advice?
22:51<sney>onecallednick: some of the eee nics need firmware to work. #debian-eeepc are the experts.
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22:52<onecallednick>thanks brother/sister
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23:00<seek3r>peace ill bbl
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23:10<hitchup>When I run glxgears or another program that uses openGL the mouse pointer hides behind the graphics and I can't focus the pointer to get to graphical commands. any ideas to correct?
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23:12<abrotman>use the kb shortcuts to change to the xterm you launched it from and kill it ?
23:14<hitchup>abrotman: who was it for?
23:15<hitchup>i can close the program from Vbox.
23:15<kcynice>sney, after i excuted chroot, need i change the root password? (when i change the root password, i would get the seem error as before)
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23:16<sney>kcynice: you probably should but it isn't required. I assume you know how to use passwd.
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23:17<kcynice>yes. i know how. but i got an error,"System error. password unchanged"
23:18<hitchup>sney: When I run glxgears or another program that uses openGL the mouse pointer hides behind the graphics and I can't focus the pointer to get to graphical commands. any ideas to correct?
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23:18<sney>hitchup: sorry, no idea
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23:20<sney>kcynice: hmm, strike 2 for sney, i haven't seen that one. you could try getting your user to work and adding it to /etc/sudoers, then use sudo to change the password once you're logged in for real. but I worry something got messed up when you installed.
23:21<kcynice>the new account has been create successfully as before. hold on, i will try next time
23:23<kcynice>im sorry, the new account still can't login......
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23:26<kcynice>and, sney, thank you all the same. i will have to wait a newer release
23:26<se7en>OT i have a folder with many subfolder in some of the subfolder are *.zip files how would i unzip all of them in one go
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23:27<ml|>kcynice: at this point, I would use the lenny installer then move to testing /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze
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23:27<Carlyyy> do my breasts look to big?
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23:28<kcynice>oh, i had tried that way, but there are too many packages conflicted.
23:29<ml|>on a fresh install?
23:29<zmisc>which is the official debian IRC channel?
23:29<ml|>this one other is in
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23:30<kcynice>almost a fresh lenny debian system. the final error dues to udev, i don't know what's it
23:30<ml|>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
23:30<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable such as volatile, then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-$ sed 's,.*-,,' ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
23:30<ml|>folowing that?^^
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23:31<zmisc>ml|: so they are both official?
23:32<ml|>afaik yes
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23:34<cesurasean>gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
23:34<cesurasean>what does this mean exactly?
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23:35<ml|>bad file?
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23:36<cesurasean>why bad?
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23:40<kcynice>ml|, i just replace lenny with testing, and run apt-get dist-upgrade. what's the problem?
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23:43<cesurasean>kop_, thx
23:43<ml|>kcynice: if you follow what dpkg says above, it will be less likely to run into problems
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23:44<kcynice>i know little about it before. it almost wasted my whole afternoon to do it...
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23:45<ml|>there is a reason the testing installer is called testing; may contian bugs/have issues
23:46<kcynice>i don't know how to use a system with a crazy installer
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23:48<SuperMiguel>whats the default location of the virtualbox console?
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