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01:07<jason_>anyone know how i could get 4 sides to my desktop cube rather than 2
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01:09<dr|z3d>jason_: Sure..
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01:09<dr|z3d>You want to configure 4 virtual desktops, rather than the 2 you currently have.
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01:09<dr|z3d>(or maybe 6, for the full cube experience?)
01:10<jason_>i would love just not sure how to go about doing that?
01:10<jason_>im relatively new to linux, loving it though
01:11<dr|z3d>If you're in Gnome, dig around the settings menu..
01:12<dr|z3d>Rather than spoonfeeding you the answer, it's better that you familiarize yourself with the configs etc.
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01:12<snogglethorpe>("full cube experience" ... :O )
01:13<jason_>and i appreciate that
01:13<jason_>i managed it in mint 8, but ubuntu 10.04 has me stumped
01:13<sney>ubuntu .. :/
01:14<sney>jason_: I appreciate that you're new at this, but why would you come to a Debian support channel if you're not using Debian?
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01:16<jason_>as far as i could tell ubuntu is debian based
01:17<dr|z3d>Debian bods are quite purist, jason_.. you'll need to go and chat in the #ubuntu channel on freenode.
01:17<sney>yeah, it is, but it's still not the same thing. and the people in #debian use debian, so we're not familiar with the differences.
01:17<sney>it's not personal, it's just, how can we be expected to support something we don't use? it wouldn't make sense.
01:18<dr|z3d>And it was obvious he was running Ubuntu since he opened his mouth... since when does a newb Linux user have Compiz working out of the box in Debian? ;)
01:18<jason_>my apologies
01:18<sney>dr|z3d: fair enough, I thought it was possible someone in here helped him get it working earlier
01:18<dr|z3d>jason_: You'll get plenty of help on freenode.. friendly bunch, there, too :)
01:18<jason_>very welcoming group...fairwell
01:19<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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01:22<snogglethorpe>(freenode friendly...?!)
01:22<sney>in small doses
01:23<snogglethorpe>#debian on freenode is even more ornery than #debian here tho
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01:23<sney>lots of overlap last I checked
01:23<snogglethorpe>i cowered under my bed for days after the last time I tried to get help there
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01:48<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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01:56<ddilinger>So i have debian on a vpn server, and for some reason ps aux only reports 2 processes, apache2 and apache2. A quick look at /proc shows obviously there are more pids, mostly in the 75000-120000 range which i havn't seen before
01:56<ddilinger>any ideas what is happening?
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01:58<dkr>maybe you are chrooted
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02:00<ddilinger>any way to tell if i'm chrooted ?
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02:02<ddilinger>i originaly started looking into this because my crontabs dont appear to be running, although cron is running on pid 89k
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02:02<valdyn>ddilinger: now is cron running or not? you stated both
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02:08<ddilinger>cron is not listed on ps, and my crontabs arnt being run. when i put in "* * * * * echo foo > /tmp/" via crontab.l /tmp/ never gets created
02:09<valdyn>ddilinger: so why would you tell us that cron is running?
02:09<ddilinger>ls -ld /proc/*/* | grep cron
02:10<valdyn>ddilinger: that can be your host servers process list
02:10<ddilinger>turns up pid 89326 is /usr/sbin/cron
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02:10<valdyn>ddilinger: but its not your vps process list
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02:10<ddilinger>think i'm starting to understand more about the chroot and why thats effecting it :)
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02:11<valdyn>ddilinger: what does chroot have to do with it?
02:11<valdyn>ddilinger: if thats a chroot then its not a vps at all
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02:11<ddilinger>well, it may be a chroot i'm not sure, its free from a coworker but he called it a virtual server
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02:12<ddilinger>if it was a proper server finding a cron process would mean cron was running :)
02:12<valdyn>ddilinger: in a chroot ps aux would show the complete process list
02:13<ddilinger>hmm, on this it doesnt, although i'm logged as root, ps aux now (after removing the /var/run/ that pointed to the cron process as well) cron now displays on ps aux
02:13<valdyn>ddilinger: but debian ps just reads /proc/
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02:13<valdyn>ddilinger: so you arent running debians ps
02:14<ddilinger>hmm, guess i need to reinstall some packages
02:14<ddilinger>while i'm here, is there a shorter way to find what package a file is in than grep /path/to/bin /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
02:14<valdyn>ddilinger: dpkg -S /path/to/file
02:15<ddilinger>ahha :) thanks
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02:16<hellyeah>someone there
02:16<hellyeah>i cant remove grub2
02:17<hellyeah>i want to do my bootloader grub
02:17<hellyeah>i have to remove grub2
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02:17<hellyeah>i couldnt do that
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02:18<jm_>maybe your enter key has problems due to excessive usage
02:19<hellyeah>what do you mean
02:19*dr|z3d laughs.
02:19<hellyeah>i am not an expert debian
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02:19*hellyeah sighs to dr|z3d
02:20<dr|z3d>hellyeah: If you just want to remove grub2, then aptitude remove grub2
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02:20<hellyeah>you think i didnt do that
02:20*hellyeah loooooooooooooooool
02:20<dr|z3d>That will likely cause issues, though, if you don't have an alternative bootloader ready.
02:21<dr|z3d>cahoot: Something I'm missing? :)
02:21<hellyeah>i purged grub2
02:21<hellyeah>debian ask me about removing grub2
02:21<hellyeah>i reinstall grub
02:21<cahoot>I wonder if aptitude remove will rewrite mbr
02:21<hellyeah>but grub2 is still there
02:21<dr|z3d>cahoot: That's where part 2 of my answer comes into play :)
02:23<hellyeah>i need some help
02:23<jm_>no one has to manually install grub
02:24<hellyeah>i didnt remove grub2
02:24<hellyeah>so i cant boot win7
02:24<hellyeah>i see win7 on list of grub2
02:25<hellyeah>but i couldnt start it stucks
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02:30<dr|z3d>Now I'm confused. You wanted grub2 gone, and you purged it, but you say you didn't remove it, because you wanted to boot 7.
02:31<dr|z3d>Really, you're not even being consistent with the facts, hellyeah, or somehow I'm getting the wrong end of the stick. So, what is your problem?
02:31<hellyeah>dr|z3d, i want grub
02:32<hellyeah>i purged grub2 and system ask me about removing grub2 i said yes
02:32<dr|z3d>hellyeah: Last I heard grub -> grub2 was a one way process.
02:32<hellyeah>i install grub and i do grub-update
02:32<dr|z3d>I might be wrong there, I never much investigated that, but it's vaguely what I recall hearing.
02:32<cahoot>isn't that grub-legacy?
02:32<dr|z3d>Yeah, that would be -legacy I suspect.
02:33<jm_>you need to run grub-setup
02:33<cahoot>you mean it wouldn't be possible to install grub-legacy over grub2?
02:34<dr|z3d>Me? Sounds like my information was loose?
02:34<hellyeah>grup-setup command not found
02:35<jm_>actually use grub-install for grub 1
02:37<cahoot>seems this matter is running in stereo
02:38<ddilinger>hmm, so i've installed psutils from a deb i downloaded off, it still doesn't list everything in /proc, for example `ps aux | grep $$` turns up nothing
02:38<ddilinger>but /proc/$$ is populated
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02:39<cahoot>hellyeah: why not stick to one helper at a time?
02:39<jm_>hellyeah: "grub-install /dev/sda" or somesuch
02:40<hellyeah>okey my stupidity
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02:41<hellyeah>jm_, i did this in past that doesnt work
02:42<jm_>hellyeah: define doesn't work
02:42<hellyeah>can you wait a second
02:42<jm_>yes, but that second is over now
02:43<hellyeah>i will paste something
02:44<cahoot>hellyeah: not very considerate to simultaneously run the same thread of questions in two debian channels
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02:45<cahoot>also rather counterproductive
02:45<hellyeah>cahoot, i dont have no choice i have to prepare a thesis i have to use matlab
02:45<hellyeah>and matlab in windows
02:46<hellyeah>i have three days
02:46<hellyeah>and i have to solve this problem
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02:47<jm_>hellyeah: so? no errors
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02:48<hellyeah>okey i am sure if i reboot my system
02:48<hellyeah>i see grub2 is still there
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02:48<hellyeah>there is no error but i always see grub2
02:48<hellyeah>i reboot
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02:51<hellyeah>jm_, yes grub2 is still there
02:51<hellyeah>actually i dont matter grub or grub2
02:51<hellyeah>i want to boot win7
02:52<hellyeah>i see in the menu but i couldnt boot
02:52<jm_>how does the entry for it look like in grub's menu? the commands
02:52<hellyeah>so someone in debian freenode said to me i know a way how to boot win7 but it is for grub
02:52<hellyeah>for win7
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02:53<hellyeah>linux-image 2.6.32 linux-image 2.6.32 rescu mode windows7 /dev/sda1 loader
02:53<hellyeah>it looks like this
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02:53<dr|z3d>You probably want to boot into console mode with your 7 disc, fixmbr, then fix up grub afterwards.
02:54<dr|z3d>That's usually what's recommended, for the least fuss.
02:54<jm_>windows is booted using chainloader
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02:54<hellyeah>i boot win7 cd
02:54<hellyeah>i didnt see anything about mbr
02:54<dr|z3d>You wouldn't. It's a commend you run in console mode.
02:54<jm_>it should have repair option, i don't remember how it's called
02:55<dr|z3d>Console mode -> fixmbr
02:55<hellyeah>what is command for that
02:55<hellyeah>i will try
02:55<hellyeah>i go but i will come back
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02:55<dr|z3d>Don't rush back! Take your time! :)
02:57<dr|z3d>Suspect he won't be back in a hurry.
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03:11<ddilinger>so i have this debian server, and for some reason i'm unable to get a proper 'ps aux' listing. top is similar, and reports the same processes as ps aux(which is not all of them). The one thing the processes that dont get showed seem to have in common in a pid > 65535, could there be a different version of ps for higher numbered pids?
03:13<ddilinger>i downloaded the source to procps from and compiled it, but theres no configure script to set such a thing and the recompiled version equally doesn't work
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03:14<hellyeah>fixmbr doesnt work on windows installation (console)
03:15<ansgar>hellyeah: I doubt #debian is the right place for Windows questions...
03:15<hellyeah>jm_, told me
03:15<jm_>no he didn't
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03:15<dr|z3d>!fgi hellyeah fixmbr windows
03:15<dpkg>hellyeah: windows
03:16<hellyeah>sorry or someone here told me
03:16<dr|z3d>We told you so that you'd leave us alone. :)
03:17<hellyeah>i am using google
03:17<hellyeah>i am not stupid
03:17<hellyeah>you are not genious
03:17<hellyeah>stop behaving brilliant guy in the planet
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03:17<hellyeah>like brilliant guy
03:18<dr|z3d>You ask for help, we give you help. Go work out what to do with help, rather than harrassing us here.
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03:18<hellyeah>dr|z3d, i look this on google
03:18<dr|z3d>Great. So you have a solution now. :)
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03:20<hellyeah>i wish
03:20<hellyeah>every site tells different solution
03:21<hellyeah>any way i keep trying
03:21<dr|z3d>Just look for the one for Windows 7.. fixmbr is what you want.
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03:21<dr|z3d>Or some variation on that.
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03:24<hellyeah>i write google fixmbr windows7
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03:24<bmwmunda>hi all
03:25<bmwmunda>im running debain lenny linux headless what is the best app to use to control and run apps from my windows 7 pc
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03:28<jm_>what kind of apps
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03:28<dr|z3d>bmwmunda: tightvncserver probably best.
03:28<dr|z3d>Or rather, tightvnc on the debian box, server on the win box.
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03:29<dr|z3d>And you can use any vnc viewer on Debian.
03:30<dr|z3d>Except you want to control Debian from Windows..
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03:30<dr|z3d>So, tightvncserver on Debian.. unless you're looking at command line apps?
03:30<jm_>or X server on windows
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03:30<bmwmunda>i have coomand line app
03:30<jm_>then use putty
03:31<dr|z3d>putty + opensshserver.
03:31<bmwmunda>i do use putty but i have a had time shutting the app down what is the command to shut down a ruunig app in putty termianl window
03:31<jm_>which app
03:32<dr|z3d>ps -e |grep <appname> ps kill pid-of-app
03:32<jm_>how did you start it?
03:32<jm_>typically ctrl-c shall work
03:32<bmwmunda>ok let me try
03:33<ddilinger>anyone know where i might find a version of ps that displays pids > 65535?
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03:37<bmwmunda>i get this with ctrl-c SHUTDOWN **** [Thu Mar 25 00:35:11 2010] Terminate signal received...
03:38<bmwmunda>but when i goto restart the same program i get same erro it wont start it seems to hang
03:38<jm_>well you should contact the authors of this app about that
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03:39<dr|z3d>bmwmunda: Check the process isn't ghosted.. ps -e |grep <name>
03:40<bmwmunda>in same terminal window
03:40<dr|z3d>Assuming you now have a prompt.
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03:42<bmwmunda>shows nothing
03:43<dr|z3d>Ok, that's good to clear up. So, what jm_ recommended :)
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03:47<bmwmunda>avtually it did show something i did the grep wrong
03:47<bmwmunda>2457 ? 00:00:11 rqcs.x86
03:47<bmwmunda>this is what it shows
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03:49<dr|z3d>Hmm.. then try killing that.. kill 2547
03:51<bmwmunda>-bash: kill: *2457: arguments must be process or job IDs
03:51<bmwmunda>g i get error
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03:51<dr|z3d>Erm. kill 2457
03:52<dr|z3d>Nothing else.
03:52<dr|z3d>You're killing the pid of the process..
03:52<dr|z3d>Wildcards don't work here.
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03:53<bmwmunda>sorry u lost me just past kill 2457
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03:56<dr|z3d>kill 2547 should be all you need.
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03:56<bmwmunda>i get no such process error
03:57<dr|z3d>You're the one in front of your terminal.. grab the pid, then kill it! :P
03:58<bmwmunda>im new to linux can u just guide me a bit please
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03:59<dr|z3d>I did.. there's not much more to add.. ps the pid of the process you want to kill, then kill <pid>
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04:06<bmwmunda>ok one question will the pid change evertime i start the program app and try to use kill pid
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04:11<bmwmunda>one more question if i have more than 1 off these running app do i need to run 2 putty terminal windows
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04:13<jm_>you can use screen
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04:14<billy>i know this probably aint the right channel but does anyone know how to put a php script onto a server?
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04:14<bmwmunda>what is screen
04:14<bmwmunda>is that
04:14<dr|z3d>billy: Use an ftp client.
04:15<billy>i know that but i dont know if theres a ceartain way the files have to be set out or will it navigate itself?
04:15<dr|z3d>billy: aptitude install gftp
04:15<billy>ive already got it lol
04:16<dpkg>[screen] a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and ask about <screen tutorial>, <byobu>. Vertical split not documented in Lenny (BTS #525998). #screen on
04:16<billy>and does it matter if i delete all the default folders on the web server?
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04:17<enteL>what do you mean by default folders
04:17<enteL>who/how is your site hosted?
04:17<dr|z3d>billy: Don't delete any folders.
04:17<dr|z3d>billy: You publicly visible stuff will probably be in a folder called public_html or similar. Or www.
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04:17<billy>its on
04:18<billy>will it navigate to the right page itself?
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04:18<dr|z3d>What will?
04:18<enteL>if the file is named index.php it might....
04:18<enteL>but doubtful
04:18<dr|z3d>If you install a php cms script, uploading the files and then initialising the cms will order everything right.
04:19<enteL>what is the php script your dealing with do, billy?
04:19<dr|z3d>If it's a single script, you may need to edit that script to configure it.
04:19<billy>right let me start from the begging i have download a game script for a mmorpg i want to install it on my server do i just upload the mysql db and the rest of the files and it will work or what do i do?
04:20<billy>i have over 50 different php files
04:20<enteL>you cant "upload the mysql db"
04:20<enteL>did it come with a readme.txt
04:20<enteL>that might be a good starting point
04:21<billy>no it dosnt say anything and why cant i upload the db?
04:21<enteL>you typically create the db
04:21<enteL>and the install script does its thing
04:21<enteL>or if u have an sql dump
04:21<enteL>u could load that
04:22<billy>well i could copy and paste the info couldnt i?
04:22<enteL>is it sql statements?
04:22<billy>2 secs ill check
04:22<enteL>does your hosting account provide shell access?
04:23<enteL>PM me and i can try to assist you from there
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04:31<iotaka>hi, I have a question about SAMBA in SID. All the related packages are at version: 3.4.7~dfsg-1 only smbfs has a different version number 4.1-1. All seems work fine. This version mismatch is normal? In stable and testing all the packages are provided with the same version. Thank you.
04:31<dr|z3d>judd versions: samba
04:32<dr|z3d>judd !versions samba
04:32<babilen>judd: versions samba
04:32<judd>samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny9; lenny-backports: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1; squeeze: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1; experimental: 2:3.5.1~dfsg-1
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04:33<babilen>judd: versions smbfs
04:33<judd>smbfs -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny9; lenny-backports: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2:3.4.7~dfsg-1; experimental: 2:3.5.1~dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.1-1
04:33<babilen>iotaka: Well, it's sid and situations like these can happen. If you want a stable release use, well, stable.
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04:35<iotaka>babilen: I use sid since 6 years a go, is only a question. Pherpas the mantainer choos to use a different versioning stile for a specific package :D
04:35<iotaka>or simply is a verion mismatch that can happen in sid
04:37<babilen>I have no idea - You are the first to "complain" about that in here ... I guess it is the latter, but would have to investigate the situation first
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04:39<iotaka>babilen: apt-cache policy samba samba-common samba-common-bin libsmbclient smbclient smbfs (on sid)
04:39<iotaka>babilen: then there is
04:40<jmm>hi !
04:40<iotaka>babilen: the new cifs-utils depend on smbfs (that is not aligned to other packages)
04:40<IOhannes>i'm co-maintaining a package "gem" with 2 DD; unfortunately they are rather unresponsive, which lead to the removal from testing yesterday (the package has an RC-critical bug, preventing a build on armel); i have created a new package and uploaded it to mentors
04:40<IOhannes>oops, wrong channel
04:40<IOhannes>sorry for the noise...
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04:43<babilen>iotaka: Things like this can happen in sid, as you probably know. I have not experienced these peoblems as *I* don't run sid *anywhere* - Do you need help with anything?
04:44<iotaka>babilen: was only a report, if can help someone :)
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04:44<babilen>iotaka: I like SID users, because they make sure that *I* don't run into these problems :)
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04:46<iotaka>babilen: another question which difference there are between this channel and the #debian on
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04:50<babilen>iotaka: There is no difference - points to It used to be an alias for in the past, but the "official" channels moved. Regulars are typically in both channels, but the channel on freenode is a bit more active at times.
04:50<iotaka>babilen: thank you
04:51<babilen>iotaka: No problem :)
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05:09<cesurasean>anyone know why im getting this on one of my boxes? - gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc error
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05:31<maxp>guys, I have problem :)
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05:32<maxp>tell me, why on WindowsXP my laptop can play mkv files in HD (1080p)
05:32<maxp>and Debian can't play regular avi files in fullscreen
05:32<maxp>in both cases MPlayer is used
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05:33<maxp>additionally, why viewing pdf files (in XPdf) is so slow... ?? I can see how images are loaded step by step
05:34<maxp>of course, adobe reader works better but also it is not as in WinXP
05:34<maxp>does it means that applications have worse code for linux than for Windows ?
05:35<simonrvn>you don't seem to have video acceleration enabled
05:35<maxp>but what if compiz works ?\
05:35<maxp>how to check if acceleration is on ?
05:35<maxp>give me some nice console commands :D
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05:36<simonrvn>so it is... compiz is a hog
05:36<maxp>aah... but when I start VMWare, it says that my 3D acceleration is disabled...
05:37<maxp>I forget about this fact
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05:38<ibaydan>I have a question about dfebian
05:38<jmm>#dfebian so !
05:38<jmm>lol I'm joking man.
05:38<simonrvn>!ask to ask
05:38<dpkg>Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
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05:40<maxp>I have used that site:
05:40<maxp>and according to that, my 3d acceleration is on
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05:40<maxp>so... why is it so slow ? :(
05:41<jmm>max what does say glxinfo |grep direct
05:41<jmm>is direct rendering enabled ?
05:41<simonrvn>xpdf doesn't use the hw accel, reader does
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05:42<maxp>yes, direct rendering is set to yes
05:42<simonrvn>i can't explain mplayer, it should be
05:43<maxp>can it be a fault of compiz ?
05:43<jm_>mplayer has support for stuff like vdpau and va api
05:43<maxp>so, I will have to play with options of mplayer
05:43<jm_>whether it's enabled in debian packages I don't know
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05:54<maxp>I have checked all video drivers in MPlayer and only for gl/gl2 it plays almost ok...
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05:55<maxp>but there is flicking effect (I see black stuff in the place of some other windows on desktop)
05:56<melmothX_>disable compiz
05:56<maxp>and when there is fast change in the movie, then I see something like horizontal strips (like some strips are updated faster than other)
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05:56<jm_>which card is it?
05:56<maxp>it build in to mainboard
05:57<jm_>check what lspci says for it
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05:57<maxp>jm_: can You tell me how ? :D
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05:57<jm_>maxp: ehh? run lspci, read the output, it should mention VGA or somesuch
05:57<jm_>probably on bus 01:00.0
05:58<melmothX_>lspci | grep -i vga
05:58<maxp>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
05:58<maxp>00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
05:59<jm_>ok that need va api support in mplayer
05:59<maxp>so I need to download some plugin or driver or what ? :)
06:00<jm_>you need mplayer with support for it
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06:02<maxp>ok, I will search something about that va api
06:03<jm_>check if mplayer from dmm has it
06:03<jm_>might only be available in testing, I don't rememeber
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06:13<maxp>aa... found mplayer with vaapi, but can't find headers for that... :/
06:13<maxp>any idea where I can find vaapi headers ?
06:13<jm_>i recommend to first check if mplayer from dmm has it
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06:17<maxp>what is "dmm" ? :D
06:17<dpkg>i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>.
06:17<muzy>debian multimedia i guess
06:18<maxp>aaa... :)
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06:32<maxp>ok, I've added repo and now my system is updating :D
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06:58<zxd>debootstrap lenny --arch=amd64 ./
06:58<zxd>E: Couldn't work out current architecture
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06:59<babilen>zxd: What is your architecture? What does "dpkg --print-architecture" give you?
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07:00<babilen>zxd: I, however, have no idea if that is related to the error you get
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07:01<zxd>no it's not you suck
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07:02<babilen>zxd: Well - Have fun. You will certainly get a lot of help with that attitude
07:02*dr|z3d laughs.
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07:02<dr|z3d>First rule of receiving help: Be humble.
07:03<zxd>eat shit and die
07:03<dr|z3d>zxd: You insult a long time contributor to this channel, you might as well kiss goodbye to your prospects.
07:03-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
07:03-!-zxd was kicked from #debian by themill [You should know better]
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07:03<dr|z3d>Prospects duly kissed.
07:03*dr|z3d smiles.
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07:10<peej_>I have an xwindow open with nothing in it. What is a good way to figure out what it is? I can't xkill it.
07:12<babilen>peej_: run xprop and click on it - that should give you more information
07:13<babilen>peej_: Especially WM_CLASS could be interesting
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07:13<peej_>all the text I get is: WM_PROTOCOLS(ATOM): protocols WM_DELETE_WINDOW
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07:16<babilen>I haven't seen that before, but at least it seems to provide WM_DELETE_WINDOW - but you can't close it and you have no idea where its from, correct?
07:19<peej_>correct. I may be an icewm artefact.
07:19<babilen>It is also strange that xkill does not work. I would ask that question in a Xorg channel.
07:20<jm_>did you check for any errors in x logfile/x session log?
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07:22<peej_>a processes list layout:
07:23<peej_>(shutting down firefox does not get rid of the mystery box)
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07:23<peej_>jm_, ah, xsession-errors shows: IceWM: APP BUG? configureRequest for window 243DA45 sent to destroyed frame 2800029!
07:23<peej_>IceWM: APP BUG? configureRequest for window 243DC15 sent to destroyed frame 2E00029!
07:24<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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07:28<peej_>oh, but that message may not be related. Lots of other stuff in xsession-errors too.
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07:32<Panko>wow! 14MiB free on /
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07:33<babilen>peej_: I've just asked that in #xorg@freenode you might want to come there as well and try to get help ... It might be one of the icewm**** processes. I guess the easiest way is to logout and restart X :-\
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07:33<babilen>peej_: Does that window have header text?
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07:35<babilen>peej_: Hei, I have to go. joing #xorg and talk to suokko - he suggested to get the PID with xrestop, which is supposed to work if the window has a heading
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07:36<peej_>no headers
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09:38<babilen>Mady: Welcome back. I remember that you've been here yesterday and think that bja pointed out to you that this is not a chat channel, but rather one for technical support of Debian users.
09:39<jm_>heh isn't it obvious - it's rima-tde
09:39<babilen>it sure is :)
09:39<Mady>and what?
09:40<babilen>Mady: type "/join #debian-offtopic" and we can talk about it if you want
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09:42<Mady>what I mean is that the chat is to talk, and that's what I've done, speak, because chatting is known to people, or at least that's what I think .... ¬ ¬
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09:45<hever>How can I exclude two pattern *.txt and *.doc using tar? tar --exclude "*.txt .... ?
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09:46<jm_>specify --exclude twice
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09:51<hever>jm_, yes thank you!
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09:53<jm_>hever: np
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10:10<solista_trumpet>quien eres
10:11<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:11<ale>yo soy ale y tu?
10:11<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:17<ale>hello hola
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10:24<rharris>Hello I am having some troubles with debian 5.0.4 and the package auditd. Is any one familiar with auditd on debian?
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10:27<babilen>rharris: Just ask your question and try to give as much details as possible. Paste relevant output to a pastebin (
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10:30<rharris>well I dont really have any relevant output because my problem is the absent of output that I need. I am creating an auditing procedure (mostly on opensuse with a few debians). The problem is I am missing all login audit entries for things like ssh and su. This is obviously a problem.
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10:30<rharris>Now everything shows by default in opensuse. is there a place where I need to specify special configs for auditd to show the login and logout events?
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10:33<rharris>my auditd version is 1.7.4
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10:35<sney>many debian packages put their settings in /etc/default
10:35<ml|>looked at manpage if it has one or in /usr/share/doc/ ?
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10:38<rharris>"/etc/default" is not what im looking for that is configured. and man pages contain nothing pertaining to this.
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10:40<sney>a quick google tells me that 'auditctl' is what you need to use to set the auditing rules, and relevant files may be /etc/audit.rules or /etc/audit/audit.rules
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10:40<rharris>in open suse at least there is no way to enable or disable the user authentication events from auditd
10:42<My-Computer>i just installed debian 5.0 through the lxde iso .... where is add and remove programs or synaptic package manager?
10:44<ml|>isn't synaptic optional, not installed by default?
10:45<My-Computer>usually i find it under /usr/share/applications however not this time ive been useing only terminal at the moment
10:46<rharris>sorry sney i didnt see that last reply however I have all my rules set im pretty familiar with auditd/auditctl but not with debian. the exact same auditd config in open suse gives what I need I would expect debian to give me close to the same since really is completely kernel based unless something is different in the debian kernel from the opensuse one.
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10:47<My-Computer>if its optional ill just need the syntax to install it through terminal
10:48<ml|>My-Computer: aptitude update && aptitude install synaptic
10:49<My-Computer>k ill give that a shot thanks
10:49<sney>rharris: sorry, haven't used it personally. but you can see the current running kernel config under /boot/config-`uname -r`
10:49<rharris>that could very well help ill compare debian to the functioning opensuse. Thanks
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11:25<twb>Does ext2 support a case-insensitivity mount option?
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11:31<babilen>twb: no
11:31<twb>Plan B is to reproduce this bug with a loopback hfsplus, then
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11:33<twb>Mady: got an OS X user whining about behaviour of some code on case-insensitive filesystems.
11:34<themill>twb: loopback vfat (or usb stick vfat)? or a cifs mount?
11:35<paggas>twb: Sounds like that code is broken :P
11:35<twb>paggas: well, obviously.
11:35<sney>just make sure it isn't unicode, I hear unicode makes vfat case sensitive.
11:35<twb>The goal is to demonstrate that
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11:38<twb>Bah! The mkfs.hfsplus binary is in the hfsprogs, not hfsplus
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11:57<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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11:58<bja>!tell marius about selftell
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11:59<marius>bja, ty
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12:07<hitchup>I have a boot failure BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s! [modprobe:91]
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12:08<hitchup>Grub selects severl kernels and the loder one boots ok
12:09<babilen>hitchup: Let me guess: You are not running stable and the "older" kernel is the -trunk- one?
12:09<twb>hitchup: the -trunk- thing?
12:09<twb>grub's too damn clever for its own good
12:09<hitchup>no the older one is 30
12:09<twb>I just use a static extlinux.conf and rely on kernel-img.conf to create the appropriate symlinks
12:09<babilen>twb: It's a bug in grub-common - a patch can be found in the BTS
12:09<hitchup>the newer is 32
12:10<babilen>hitchup: But the older is yadda-trunk-foo ?
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12:10<hitchup>no not trunck
12:10<hitchup>w/o ya ya trunl
12:10<twb>hitchup: please speak English
12:11<babilen>hitchup: congratulations!
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12:11<hitchup>no programming for me today
12:11<babilen>hitchup: Could you paste the output of "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" and let us know *which* kernel is booted by default
12:11<twb>Get uname -a and lsb_release -a for good measure
12:12<hitchup>just bring up the good boot and provide
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12:15<twb>I'm out. babilen, maybe you should find out what hitchup's native language is, then !xx him.
12:15<twb>#debian-xx, I mean
12:15<babilen>i will xx him/her :)
12:15<babilen>twb: Have fun :)
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12:16*twb staggers towards th' door
12:16*babilen opens the door for twb and waves
12:16<babilen>hitchup: What is your native language?
12:18<babilen>well :)
12:18<babilen>hitchup: What about the paste?
12:18<hitchup>I am booting on the older kernel. And, didn't know is it would provide the default image
12:19<hitchup>soon am on windows and am Vbpx to debian
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12:25<hitchup>going off and coming back in debian chat client
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12:25<bja>Can someone move the channel?
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12:39<czarny>Welcome edu! You have achieved a new peak of 402 users for #debian!
12:39<czarny>hi i want to set my system clock using ntp but there is no more hwclock
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12:40<czarny>Welcome lotman! You have achieved a new peak of 403 users for #debian!
12:40<bja>czarny: Cut that out please
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12:40<czarny>Welcome Yionel! You have achieved a new peak of 404 users for #debian!
12:40<themill>czarny: please turn off that script
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12:41<czarny>so is another way to set current time on my machine?
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12:41<czarny>Welcome Cygnus! You have achieved a new peak of 405 users for #debian!
12:41<adb>czarny, util-linux has hwclock
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12:41<czarny>Welcome renovatio! You have achieved a new peak of 406 users for #debian!
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12:42<themill>czarny: /msg me when you've fixed your client to not be quite so obnoxious.
12:42<ml|>czarny: /msg dpkg set time and/or ntp
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13:02<ant>hey deb people :) i have problem with matsonic mb with via chipset, dont know if it is broken or not supported by debian but usb and sound are totally not working :D
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13:03<babilen>ant: Paste the output of "lspci -nn" to
13:03<hitchup>babilen: After a comedy of errors I am back.
13:04<babilen>hitchup: welcome back
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13:04<babilen>hitchup: So you *do* have the -trunk- kernel installed. You should remove it and everyhting will be fine afterwards
13:05<hitchup>apt-get remove
13:05<babilen>,depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release=squeeze
13:05<judd>linux-image-2.6-686 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-3-686.
13:05<babilen>hitchup: Just "aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686"
13:06<ant>thx babilen, one sec... i'll post lspci -nn to
13:06<babilen>hitchup: You might also want to "aptitude markauto linux-image-2.6.32-3-686" - but that is up to you
13:06<anita>fuck you!!
13:06<bja>anita: calla
13:06<themill>!ubuntu-es anita
13:06<dpkg>anita: Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
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13:13<hitchup>off to reboot
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13:22<babilen>ant: still there?
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13:23<ant>yes babilen, sory for delay ;)
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13:25<ant>hey babilen so lspci doenst even show usb.... :(
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13:26<babilen>ant: "lsusb"
13:26<babilen>,pciid 1131:7146
13:27<judd>[1131:7146] is 'SAA7146' from 'Philips Semiconductors' with kernel modules 'hexium_orion', 'budget', 'hexium_gemini', 'budget-av', 'dpc7146', 'budget-ci', 'dvb-ttpci', 'mxb' in lenny. See also and the out-of-tree 's626', 'snd-aw2' module.
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13:28<themill>my goodness....
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13:28<babilen>that's a bunch of modules o_O
13:28<anita>my name is water
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13:28<ant>babilen lsusb shows nothing... i've already tried with uhci, ohci and ehci, but lsusb always gives blank output...
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13:29<ant>maybe usb broken?
13:29<babilen>might be
13:29<themill>babilen: kmuto agrees with judd though so I don't feel too bad about the length of the list
13:29<babilen>themill: yeah - i just checked that as well, still: wow!
13:30<babilen>!alsa checklist
13:30<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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13:31<babilen>!install alsa
13:31<dpkg>"aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils". After it's installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. Lenny and Squeeze users with ESS Allegro/Maestro3 devices: ask me about <maestro3>. Squeeze users with Cirrus Logic CS46XX devices: ask me about <cs46xx>.
13:31<babilen>ant: Could you follow the "install alsa" procedure please
13:32<themill>babilen: they're all exact matches to the main PCI-Id too. I was expecting there would be wildcard matches involved... there appear to be a truckload of sub-devices with that same basic PCI-Id.
13:32<babilen>ant: Your soundcard seems to be supported by the kernel, it might be that not all modules are loaded by default
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13:35<babilen>ant: basically: 1. "aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils" 2. "adduser YOUR_USER_NAME audio" 3. "alsamixer" --> unmute channels (press "m") and raise level 4. Try it
13:36<ant>thx babilen i'll give it a try, even though i've already triend that in some different way... i'll report back, thx :)
13:36<babilen>ant: You have to log out/log in after you've added yourself to the audio group. But check the output of "groups" first, because you might already be a member
13:37*themill adds that PCI-Id to judd's test-suite to test module multiple-matches...
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13:46<ant>babilen, sorry now i remember while trying to re-do your advice... sorry i havent described my problem correctly enough... as you said, soundcard "should" be supported by kernel, modules are even loaded properly so it loads via82xxx module or something, but problem is that alsamixer reports "no device found" even after configuring with alsaconf... maybe sound broken too?... :)
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14:07<cahoot>ant: cat /proc/asound/cards - none listed?
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14:14<GeorgeDorn>oops. sorry.
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14:16<Grepnix> down?
14:17<babilen>it seems so
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14:18<babilen>quote from d-d: cimarosa has been shut down a few minutes ago and seems hosted at the same place. UPS rollover or something.
14:18<Grepnix>ok, no problem...thanks for the update
14:18<babilen>no problem
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14:21<rodrigo>hi everbody! I use Debian 5.0.3 on a sparc machine (Sunblade 1000). My eclipse version is 3.2, but I want to use the new version (3.5). I found this version in the repository (using the web browser), but synaptic/apt-get cant find it. Can you help me?
14:22<dr|z3d>rodrigo: Add the repository to your apt sources.
14:22<rodrigo>I think it is also there..
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14:22<rodrigo>*it is already there
14:22<babilen>,versions eclipse --arch=sparc
14:22<judd>eclipse -- lenny: 3.2.2-6.1; sid: 3.5.2-2
14:23<babilen>rodrigo: Do you mean the version in sid?
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14:23<babilen>!tell rodrigo -about ssb
14:23<babilen>rodrigo: But i have no idea if that works for eclipse
14:24<babilen>rodrigo: It is worth a try though. I assume that you are running stable
14:24<rodrigo>I am using stable
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14:26<dr|z3d>You might run into all sorts of dependency issues, rodrigo..
14:26<babilen>rodrigo: Well, dpkg just told you something you can try. But i'm pretty sure that you run into a horrible dependency mess
14:26<babilen>Still worth a try
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14:28<babilen>,versions eclipse
14:28<judd>eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; lenny: 3.2.2-6.1; sid: 3.5.2-2
14:28<babilen>!why is eclipse not in testing
14:28<dpkg>eclipse is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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14:31<ant>cahoot, yes /proc/asound/cards shows no soundcard... do you think that motherboard is broken? or maybe i didnt set jumpers on mb? cause modules are loaded... :(
14:31<cahoot>it didn't even show in lspci?
14:31<rodrigo>i have exactily this bug -
14:32<babilen>cahoot: It showed in lspci
14:33<babilen>rodrigo: uh - that looks like a major PITA
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14:34<cahoot>ant: what happe ns if you run alsa force-reload?
14:34<babilen>rodrigo: Did the ssb succeed/fail ?
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14:34<rodrigo>babilen: i didnt test yet. can you help me to do it?
14:35<babilen>rodrigo: Sure, do you have a question regarding the procedure?
14:36<rodrigo>babilen: yes, how do I do it?
14:36<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
14:36<babilen>rodrigo: ^^^^
14:36<Lupich>Hey guys, is there a BackTrack Linux channel on this server? Could someone be so kind as to direct me to it? :)
14:36<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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14:37<babilen>Lupich: freenode
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14:37<Lupich>Thank you! :D
14:37<babilen>Lupich: np
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14:38<ant>cahoot, it unloads all modules and reloads them, no error at all, but alsamixer refuses to start and responds with 'no such device'.... alsa says its a snd-opl3sa2, also via82cxxx module is loaded, but it refuses to do anything... one sec, i'll check jumpers on board, maybe thats the reason its disabled, because debian seems to recognize it pretty properly...
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14:39<babilen>rodrigo: You let me know when you are stuck, but I can't really explain it better than the dpkg factoid
14:39<babilen>ant: are you in the audio group?
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14:39<cahoot>ant: and you haven't messed with oss or such?
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14:40<jhutchins_lt>ant: That sounds like what happens when a user doesn't have permissions to the dsp.
14:40<jhutchins_lt>ant: ie is not a member of the "audio" group.
14:40<babilen>hence my question :-\
14:40<cahoot>seems there's no /proc/asound/cards - so perms can't be the matter
14:41<jhutchins_lt>babilen: Ah, lag between screen and chair.
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14:42<ant>yes as babilen stated before, i did adduser myself(currently logged in as root) audio... thta should add me to the audio grout, i guess
14:42<jhutchins_lt>have you logged out and logged back in since?
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14:43<babilen>ant: Yes, it should. But you still need to relogin - but as cahoot has pointed out: If there is no card in /proc/asound/cards that can't be the problem
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14:57<ant>yes, logged out, logged in again, even rebooted, but it still says 'no card'... :( i mean debian usually is so reliable that i'm starting to doubt that the problem is debian related :( cant help myself...
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15:09<cahoot>ant: you haven't messed with oss or such?
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15:10<ant>no cahoot :) just plain debian install out of the box...
15:11<cahoot>just checking ;)
15:11<ant>no problem ;)
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15:19<jhutchins_lt>ant: Would it be reasonable to grab a "live" image or two and see if they find the card? If they do, study their configuration. If they don't.... bad hardware?
15:19<jhutchins_lt>ant: I'm sure you've been down the path of finding the chipset and googling it.
15:20<dr|z3d>jhutchins_lt: Grab an Ubuntu disc.. if that doesn't see your hardware, it's probably fuxored.
15:20<jhutchins_lt>dr|z3d: Not my hardware/problem.
15:20<dr|z3d>And if you're just testing the hardware, then grab 10.4 beta.
15:20<jhutchins_lt>dr|z3d: I don't consider ubuntu definitive. Ubuntu itself is often broken.
15:20<dr|z3d>Oh, ant, sorry.
15:21<ant>jhutchins_lt, yeah i've tried to google way already ;) live image would be an idea, yes i'll slide that ubuntu disc in and see what it'll tell me :) thx for advice :)
15:21<dr|z3d>jhutchins_lt: No, it isn't, but it's out of the box hardware support is up there with the best.
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15:21<meghan>see ya
15:22*sdk thinks -- and as a female name appears in #debian, a hundred pairs of eyes are suddenly more attentive than they were 2 minutes ago.
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15:22<meghan>cooz i am a girl you idiot
15:23<bja>meghan: calla y atiende el mensaje que tienes
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15:23<meghan>po vale
15:23*dr|z3d laughs at sdk.
15:23<amphi>bja: oh, one of yours ;)
15:23<meghan>hablo españo
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15:23<dr|z3d>You might be right, sdk. *chuckles*
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15:41<rjent>Greetings, will an iPodTouch work on Debian?
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15:45<rjent>The answer to my question is over at
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16:02<amphi>!greet barrie
16:02<dpkg>Wassup, barrie
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16:08<hitchup>babilen: Same boot hang as before. Can I remove that kernel and then dist-upgrade for the newer?
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16:09<babilen>hitchup: You already have the newest kernel installed if I remember correctly - paste "aptitude search ~i~n^linux-image" again
16:09<babilen>hitchup: also: what "boot hang" ?
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16:11<hitchup>i linux-image-2.6-686 - Linux 2.6 for modern PCs
16:11<hitchup>i A linux-image-2.6.30-2-686 - Linux 2.6.30 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PII
16:11<hitchup>i linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs
16:12<babilen>hitchup: ok - what "boot hang"?
16:12<hitchup>just a second.
16:12<babilen>it should boot the .32-3- kernel by default now, because the -trunk- kernel is gone. What other issues are you running into?
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16:15<hitchup>is there a place i can post and image
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16:16<hitchup>BIG soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s!
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16:17<babilen>hitchup: Do you run into this with each kernel you have installed right now? (.30 and .32)
16:18<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:18<hitchup>Now I am on 30
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16:19<hitchup>becase of loading problem with 32
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16:20<babilen>hitchup: So, you only run into the lock-up with .32 ?
16:22<hitchup>I am running 30 because of lockup on 32.
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16:33<babilen>hitchup: Sorry - had to do some politics :)
16:34<babilen>hitchup: When does the lockup happen? It would be great if you could provide some logs (i'll tell you how in a second) and file a bug.
16:34<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg).
16:35<babilen>hitchup: But the log will only work if the soft lockup happens after the log is started (I'm also not entirely sure that soft locks are logged)
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16:35<babilen>hitchup: I guess the best way for you to deal with that problem is to file a bug and remove the .32 kernel
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16:50<RaphaelBossek>hi all; any idear how to fix this error message ? "/usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to python2.5"
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16:50<themill>RaphaelBossek: do what it says... you shouldn't muck about with where the /usr/bin/python symlink is pointing
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16:51<RaphaelBossek>themill, I have to remove the alternatives myself ? is there a bug in the upgrade sequence of the python packages ?
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16:51<themill>RaphaelBossek: there's no alternative here. Someone manually changed the symlink themselves.
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16:56<RaphaelBossek>themill, thx
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17:05<nicolas>Hi, does anyone know if the 2.6.32-4 kernel currently in unstable supports HDMI for the radeon driver ?
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17:09<valdyn>nicolas: why would hdmi need driver support?
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17:17<nicolas>valdyn: I do not know but it is hinted in the xorg page on radeon says this "((radeonhd was for long the one with HDMI audio support, but 2.6.33 kernel now has HDMI audio support for ati as well))"
17:17<nicolas>As 2.6.32-4 backports a lot of stuff for radeon from 2.6.33, I thought it may also backport this
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17:18<nicolas>However, it does not seems to work. But I may be doing something wrong
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18:21<untitle>someone can help me about linux using
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18:21<untitle>i am now at linux
18:21<untitle>i dont know how to instal some apl
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18:23<@Ganneff>definitily not by whoising or msging a chanop
18:23<@Ganneff>either ask in here or dont ask at all
18:24<@Ganneff>untitle: stop it.
18:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
18:26<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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18:33<Feint>òåñòîâàÿ ìåññàãà
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18:36<mixalis>hello, I am using the xchat and I want to connect to a irc server on a specific port but I dont know how to do that. Can any one tell me?
18:37<icebrain>mixalis: maybe try #xchat at freenode?
18:37<dr|z3d>mixalis: /server
18:37<dr|z3d>If server fails, try /attach
18:40<mixalis>ok thnx
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18:41<adb>!tell Feint -about ru
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18:43<bja>dr|z3d: all that knowledge of xchat and you kept it to yourself, bad very bad
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18:45<icebrain>suggestions for a nice ncurses based mail app, besides mutt and alpine?
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18:46<ml|>mutt! ;)
18:46<babilen>icebrain: What is wrong with mutt and alpine?
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18:47<bja>icebrain: i believe there are a pair of pluggins for emacs to behave as a mail client and also one for vim
18:47<icebrain>babilen: alpine is annoying when I lose connectivity. It keeps trying and doesn't let me cancel except every 20 seconds or so
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18:48<babilen>icebrain: Or are you just searching for other alternatives? I heard that EMACS OS comes with a nice mail program (gnus) as well
18:48<ml|>heh emacs os
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18:48<bja>icebrain: you can allways use mail
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18:49<babilen>i'm happily using mutt though
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18:50<icebrain>ok, thank you for your suggestions. I'll try mutt also, I just wanted to know more alternatives
18:51<icebrain>by the way, how does mutt cope with loss of connectivity? I wish the mail client would just keep trying without actively bothering me, but Alpine not only bothers me, but also doesn't actually try to reconnect, just sits there waiting for a reply
18:51<babilen>icebrain: IMAP?
18:51<icebrain>babilen: yes, gmail :|
18:52<ml|>icebrain: set imap_keepalive = 900
18:52<ml|>for example with gmail
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18:54<icebrain>ml|: oh, thanks. Why doesn't it do that by default? waiting for hours for a reply seems wrong :|
18:54<ml|>icebrain: /usr/share/doc/mutt/examples/Muttrc.gz should help
18:54<icebrain>ml|: oh, in mutt? I thought you were talking about alpine. Well, I was planning to switch anyway
18:55<ml|>icebrain: also and
18:55<ml|>yes in mutt
18:55<ml|>that should get you started
18:55<icebrain>thanks for the links. I'll try mutt first
18:55<babilen>icebrain: I fetch mail and run a local IMAP server, that way i can switch clients whenever i want to and don't have to worry about connectivity
18:56<babilen>icebrain: You can easily fetch your mail from gmail ..
18:57<icebrain>babilen: but I don't really need to use more than one client, so I don't see the point. I just want the client to do the Right Thing
18:57<ml|>icebrain: here is an example .mutt/muttrc ...
18:57<icebrain>ml|: oh, those macros seem sexy :)
18:57<babilen>icebrain: Sure, just wanted to point out that it is easy to fetch your mail from Gmail as well. You can then do whatever you want with it (maildir, local IMAP server, ...)
18:58<babilen>icebrain: It's just that *I* like to have all my mail around
18:58<ml|>yes they work great
18:59<icebrain>babilen: meh, I could lose all my mail tomorrow, I don't really care. My mails are usually only important until I read them
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19:00<adminuser>salve atutti
19:00<bja>icebrain: consider using pop3
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19:01<babilen>bja: He does not want to fetch his mail
19:01<icebrain>bja: why? isn't it slower to get my mails from the server to client, due to pull vs push?
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19:02*babilen couldn't handle his mail without procmail - main reason for my setup as well
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19:02<bja>works for me on a cron basis, if exit status of fetchmail is 2( i think) it will not retry else it will keep trying till it fetches them all
19:03<babilen>bja: getmail (not sure about fetchmail) can also fetch from IMAP - I have it running from cron as well, feed it to procmail + courier
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19:08<bja>icebrain: there is also elmo as a cli mail client
19:08<icebrain>what about offlineImap, if for some reason I want to start storing it? does it have any advantage over fetchmail/getmail?
19:08<icebrain>bja: ok, I'll check it too, thanks
19:08<bja>babilen: dovecot instead of courier here
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19:24<k-man>is there a way to debug a /etc/init.d start script?
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19:29<retrospectacus>k-man: yes, what is the problem?
19:29<k-man>when i start lirc with the debian /etc/init.d/lirc start, it fails but doesn;t give me a reason why - however starting lircd directly seems to work ok
19:30<k-man>i tried looking at a strace output but couldn't see anything untoward
19:31<k-man>hmm... maybe i need to install inputlirc?
19:32<retrospectacus>well you can read the init.d script and see what commands it uses, you could change it or make it output some extra infos...
19:32<k-man>retrospectacus: ok, ill have a look
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19:33<babilen>retrospectacus: "set -x" might be a good idea after the shebang line (man set)
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19:34<themill>("help set", actually... it's a shell builtin)
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19:34<k-man>how do you read the output from that?
19:34<themill>with difficulty.... feel free to pastebin it
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19:35<retrospectacus>help set|less
19:35<k-man>themill: just about to :)
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19:36<bja>k-man: check /var/log/syslog, usually lots of usefull info there
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19:41<k-man>bja: yeah, i have, but nothing
19:41<k-man>hang on, ill try and pastebin this output
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19:43<k-man>how do i pipe stdout and stderr to another process?
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19:44<k-man>never mind, worked it out: heres my paste
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19:45<k-man>lircd seems to be "catching a signal" according to the logs, ill paste that too
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19:47<k-man>oh thats right, i think i have to compile lircd in debug mode to get any debug messages from it, which is annoying
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19:51<hopaqk>hello all
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19:54<k-man>how do i modify the paramaters that debian hands to configure when building a package from source?
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19:55<babilen>!tell k-man -about package recompile
19:55<babilen>k-man: you edit debian/rules
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19:57<k-man>does the rules file care about tabs vs spaces?
19:58<themill>k-man: yes. It's a makefile
19:58<k-man>themill: oh
19:58<k-man>there were some issues with tabs in the file not of my making
19:59<k-man>ill see what happens when i build it
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20:10<k-man>how do i add some sort of custom version tag to my build?
20:11<themill>k-man: edit debian/changelog (add a new entry with a different version number -- say 0.8.3-3+kman-1)
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20:14<k-man>themill: where can i read up on that? i think i broke it
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20:15<themill>if you have devscripts installed, then use "dch" to edit the changelog. The format is defined in policy, but you probably don't really want to read that.
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20:17<k-man>thanks themill
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20:19<k-man>its damn annoying that you have to change the compile time options in lirc to get debug info
20:20<themill>that's a bit weird, I must say
20:21<k-man>yeah... i might write the the package maintainer and suggest that they at least make it easier to turn on the option
20:21<k-man>in the package,
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20:23<themill>!dbugs 301688
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20:23<dpkg>DONE:#301688:M[lirc] lirc: Debug options mentioned in man page don't work (fixed-in-experimental); Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:18:10 UTC []
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20:24<themill>k-man: looks like something that used to work and was removed some years ago by the upstream developers. Don't ask why...
20:24<k-man>ok, after all that and turning on debug at level 10, all i get in the logs is "lircd(userspace) ready, <new line> caught signal"
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20:24<k-man>themill: regarding what? on debug
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20:25<exparrot>hello all... I'm having trouble getting NFS4 to work properly on Lenny. This is probably a lousy place to ask for help, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of resource on this and I'm hoping someone will have at least got it working :P
20:25<k-man>hmm... i need to see what args lircd is called with
20:25<exparrot>the all_squash option seems to be ignored, and files are accessed/created as nobody / nogroup, no matter what anonuid and anongid I specify
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20:30<k-man>hmm, i think the lircd start script is at fault somehow
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20:37<k-man>i suspect the problem is not lircd at all, but the way the initd. script creats the args using "LIRCD_ARGS=`build_args $LIRCD_ARGS`"
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20:37<k-man>which i think is broken
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20:38<themill>k-man: did you pastebin the output of the init script with set -x?
20:38<k-man>themill: yeah, ages ago
20:39<k-man>but i have debugged further since then
20:39<k-man>the script basically only calls lirc if the args string lenght is > 0, but afaict, its returning an emtpy arg string
20:39<k-man>just trying to work out why its empty
20:40<themill>k-man: can you pastebin the actual init script too?
20:40<k-man>themill: ok,
20:41<k-man>current script:
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20:41<k-man>i have put a fair few echo statements in to debug it a little
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20:42<k-man>also, `` is depricated in bash afaik
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20:51<k-man>i think it fails because its trying to find a device but $DEVICE is not declared anywhere afaict
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21:16<k-man>themill: on line 48 of the paste, see how it tests for $dev - where would that $dev come from? its not set anywhere in the script afaict
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21:19<k-man>hmm... i think lirc is just too hard to package, i might just compile from source instead
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21:34-!-KaptinKurk is "" on #debian #mingw-w64 @+#remood
21:34<KaptinKurk>Does the 686 kernel in lenny support SMP?
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21:34<sney>KaptinKurk: yes
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21:35<KaptinKurk>I got Dual P3s but I just pulled a disk from a dead 586 using the 486 kernel
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21:41<KaptinKurk>heheheheh, awesome
21:42<KaptinKurk>however, one CPU is 2 bogomips faster heh
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22:23<othor>What would be the easiest way to restore the packages of a debian (squeeze) installation to default state as if it had just been setup from dvd using default options? i.e. just remove all non default packages and install the missing ones.
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22:23<dr|z3d>otakup0pe: easiest way? Reinstall.
22:25<othor>otakup0pe: Let's say that was the hard way. How would one go about knowing which packages are installed by default?
22:28<dr|z3d>Let's try a different tack entirely. Why not scour through synaptic, see what's installed, remove the stuff you don't want, and add the stuff you do?
22:28<nostmith>!debian clone
22:28<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>.
22:28<dr|z3d>If you're on Debian, you should be prepared to fiddle around with things.
22:29<dr|z3d>And unlike Windows, extra unused packages don't impede performance..
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22:30<othor>The problem is alot of basic packages went missing during an dist upgrade for some reason and I was just wondering if there was a way to query default package and write a script to fix up the missing ones or something in that direction
22:30<othor>Instead of finding out the missing ones slowly over time
22:31<dr|z3d>Packages don't go missing..
22:31<ml|>yeah, where did they go?
22:31<dr|z3d>They may have been rendered obsolete by your upgrade, however.
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22:34<othor>Removed during the upgrade I suppose. Don't care too much about removing unnecessary ones (if there are any) as much as finding out all the other ones.
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22:35<dr|z3d>You upgraded your distribution... that often removes obsolete pakages. I really don't think you've lost anything.
22:35<dr|z3d>Is your box seemingly lacking in functionality?
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22:36<nostmith>othor, also note that the packages installed by the installer 'as default' on a desktop system are those installed by the tasksel's standard and desktop tasks.
22:36<ml|>if you are using testing that's normal
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22:36<othor>Compared to the other one I upgraded, yes
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22:37<dr|z3d>othor: Like, what specific is missing you think should be there?
22:38<ml|>maybe you should be using stable, since you are worrying about this?
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22:40<nostmith>othor, make a spare partition, 5-10 gigs?. install in there, and then use debian clone to get a fresh list of the packages installed... i'd give you a list but i will have one in no less than 6 hours. you'd finish the install sooner than that...
22:40<othor>ml|:No I am not worried at all. My question before was mostly a yes and then how or a simple no
22:41<othor>short of installing debian on a virtualbox and getting the packages from there
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22:41<dominique>Hi! I'm trying to get HLDS (Half Life Dedicated Server) working on linux, on my laptop. The server starts up pretty well, with default incoming port being 27015. But other gamers are unable to connect to the server. When I ran an online port scan, it says that my IP address isn't responding on that port number. However, I have installed the server successfully on my desktop, but the same settings do not seem to work. Please help me fix the problem!!
22:42*nostmith forgot about virtualbox
22:42<dr|z3d>dominique: What distro?
22:42<othor>could run dpkg --get-selections and then dpkg --set-selections < file.txt and then it should just take apt-get d-select upgrade right?
22:42<dominique>Debian Lenny with 2.6.26-2-686 kernel
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22:43<dr|z3d>dominique: You could install a UI based firewall and explicitly open the required ports.
22:43<dr|z3d>You don't have to run a UI, but it may make things easier.
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22:43<dr|z3d>You might want to also check if iptables is running.
22:44<dr|z3d>(not necessarily in that order)
22:44<ml|>othor: ok, seems to me you are worried; if things are working fine there is no need; understand if you are curious tho, you can look at aptitude log if you used it, in /var/log/aptitude and see what was upgraded, what was newly installed and what was removed
22:45<dominique>dr|z3d: how do I check if iptables is running?
22:46<ml|>dominique: do you have a router in the way?
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22:46<dominique>ml| no, I have a public IP.
22:47<othor>Ok thanks all for the advice
22:47<ml|>and your isp is fine with you using that port, like maybe they are blocking it?
22:48<dr|z3d>othor: lsmod |grep ip_tables
22:48<dr|z3d>Sorry, dominique
22:49<dominique>ml| You said I might want to check if iptables is running. How do i find out?
22:49<dr|z3d>If iptables is up, you should see some rules.
22:49<dr|z3d>dominique: lsmod |grep ip_tables
22:49<ml|>dominique: ^^
22:49<dominique>dr|z3d, ml| You said I might want to check if iptables is running. How do i find out?
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22:51<othor>dominique: open up a terminal and run the command "lsmod | grep ip_tables". if it returns nothing then you don't.
22:51<dominique>the commad "lsmod | grep ip_tables" returns nothing...
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22:53<dominique>also, the server console displays as the server socket (27015 being the default port)
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22:54<dominique>ideally, it should be displaying my public IP with port?
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22:54<rjent>What is the best way to share a data folder between two chroot installs?
22:55<dr|z3d>dominique: Ideally? Do you WANT your console listening on a public interface?
22:56<dr|z3d>If you're in any doubt, the answer is "no!" :)
22:56<dominique>dr|z3d: yes. That's the whole point.
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22:56<dr|z3d>Then configure you console to listen on that address..
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22:59<dominique>dr|z3d: the server program is a very old one and does not provide any support and documentation. In windows, the network could be simply changed by adding a bootstrap specifying the IP address. However, though the IP address as shown in server status changes, the port on my public interface doesn't seem to be open. That I've verified from the website:
23:00<dr|z3d>Well, some netstat command fu will tell you what ports are open.
23:00<nostmith>rjent, using mount --bind or mount --rbind might be helpful, but i might be totally wrong. though, it works for mounting /dev inside the chroot using: mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot
23:01<dominique>dr|z3d: By configuring my Console, did you mean my bash, or my server console?
23:01<rjent>nostmith, thanks and I will tinker around a bit with that.
23:01<nostmith>rjent, sorry, i always forgot to write it corectlly. it should be /path/to/chroot/dev
23:02<dr|z3d>dominique: Whatever you wanted listening on a public ip.
23:02<rjent>nostmith, no worries.
23:03<rjent>nostmith, and thanks
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23:04<JoJoGuns>anyone awake?
23:04<dominique>dr|z3d: if I use a UI firewall, can I forward my request to the HLDS program?
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23:05<dominique>I'm sorry, I meant, Can I forward all requests to a port to the perticular program?
23:05<JoJoGuns>well i guess that answers that question :) anyone know how to forward all my internet traffic through an HTTP proxy?
23:06<JoJoGuns>i'm pretty sure iptables is the key, but i'm getting mixed results on google
23:06<dr|z3d>JoJoGuns: That won't happen in a hurry.
23:06<dr|z3d>You might want to look at TorVM, perhaps. Or Incognito.
23:07<JoJoGuns>hmm... no way with iptables?
23:07<dr|z3d>Yeah, maybe, I think I'm confusing use cases here.
23:07<JoJoGuns>honestly, i'm trying to do it in the android OS, which is debian based
23:07<dr|z3d>The http proxy being squif?
23:07<JoJoGuns>and it has iptables
23:07<dr|z3d>Ah, you just said a bad word.
23:07<aguitel>anyone in squeeze have error in login-window ?
23:08<JoJoGuns>i'm really not very familiar with squid...
23:08<dr|z3d>Unfortunately we don't support Android here, JoJoGuns.
23:08<JoJoGuns>i know, but iptables is iptables, isn't it?
23:09<dr|z3d>Well, sure.. but rules are rules, and I didn't make them. :)
23:09<JoJoGuns>i can understand that...
23:09<dr|z3d>All I know is that when I flout them to help other people, I get banned or chastized, or silenced. So.
23:10<JoJoGuns>but when i tether the phone to a laptop running debian to get online, the same would apply within the laptop
23:10<JoJoGuns>so it is essentially the same :D not breaking the rules, just a little bending
23:10<dr|z3d>You have to be a bit savvy here, you know..
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23:11<dr|z3d>If we think you're on Debian, no problem. When we *know* you're not, then down come the shutters!
23:11<dominique>!port forwarding
23:11<dpkg>i guess port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See <transparent proxy> and <port forward> for more information.
23:12<JoJoGuns>i understand... well, ubuntu is debian-based. guess i'll just rephrase my question and go ask those guys :D
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23:13<dpkg>The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at or it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables ( for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read
23:13<dr|z3d>Yeah, they're not so purist, they'll help most.. but masquerade as an Ubuntu user, just in case!
23:13<ml|>dominique: /msg dpkg selftell
23:14<dominique>err... sorry ml| ?
23:14<icebrain>why ask ubuntu, and not #android at freenode?
23:14<JoJoGuns>i actually am a ubuntu user... kubuntu really. for some reason i figured you guys were a little more savvy so i'd check here :)
23:15<JoJoGuns>i wasn't aware of #android
23:15<dr|z3d>We are.. just don't mention any other distros in the context of wanting help, and you might just get some!
23:15<icebrain>JoJoGuns: me neitheir, but /list helped me :)
23:17<dominique>How do I go about forwarding a port or making a perticular IP the DMZ server?
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23:17<dpkg>well, networking is "For basic networking "man interfaces", , and
23:18<adb>dominique, ^^
23:18<ml|>dr|z3d: really? and waste peoples time here when it might not even help
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23:19<dr|z3d>ml|: That's a judgement call I can't make. If it's generic help, then it shouldn't be distro specific. iptables, for example.
23:20<dr|z3d>That said, I leave circumvention of the rules and regulations that govern this channel to others to weigh up before weighing in. :)
23:21<sney>I just hate giving someone a tip that I *know* works, because i've tested it, only to have them come back with a "it doesn't work" because they're on debian-derivative #27 that has some patch to some package that makes my debian-specific knowledge irrelevant
23:22<sney>at that point they may as well just go to freenode ##linux
23:22<dr|z3d>Yeah, that's irritating, sney, no doubt.
23:22<ml|>it just that they have thier own distro channel so why come here for help and even better ones for specific issues
23:22<dr|z3d>Some people are just plain lazy.
23:22<sney>because usually their distro channel sucks. or they're new enough that they just join the first thing on the list in xchat
23:23<dr|z3d>That's the most likely answer as to the whys.
23:23<sney>or "I'm on ubuntu but my bro said it's the same thing so I demand you help me"
23:23<dr|z3d>Usually the same people that hit irc _before_ they bother with google.
23:24<sney>that too.
23:24<ml|>yeah, the #channel is thier personal google ;)
23:26<sney>the backtrack hacker kids are pretty funny
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23:26<ml|>dpkg: bt4-magic
23:26<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
23:26<sney>I get that they're just kids and they want to learn to be l33t h4x0rz, but coming into #channel and acting like a dumbass is like going into a kung fu master's house and urinating in his kitchen
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23:27<dominique>sorry, but I wanted things to work quickly, I'll however study these things in detail. I however wish to know whether the following three commands will forward tcp and udp requests to a port from external interface (eth0) to the IP address: 1. "iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to" 2. "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 80 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT" 3. "iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m state --stat
23:27<dominique>e NEW --dport 80 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT" !!
23:27<sney>dominique: if you want fast, use shorewall
23:27<dpkg>The Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. #shorewall on
23:27<sney>the syntax is less heady.
23:28<sney>and it has lots of examples.
23:28<sney>I use shorewall on my firewall because I'm lazy.
23:29<ml|>sney: hah, kung fu ...
23:29<dominique>sney, is it GUI?
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23:29<sney>dominique: no, config files.
23:30<dominique>sney, thank you. I'll check it out.
23:30<sney>supposedly it has a webmin thing but DON'T USE WEBMIN
23:30<dpkg>i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
23:31<abrotman>i think firestarter has a GUI
23:31<abrotman>,info firestarter
23:31<judd>firestarter (admin, optional): gtk program for managing and observing your firewall. Version: 1.0.3-6; Size: 395.8k; Installed: 1960k; Screenshot:
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23:31<dr|z3d>firestarter is the gui.
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23:32<dominique>judd, abrotman, thank you, but I think i'll go for config file based firewall, as they canbe easily modified through shell programming!! Or do I have another option?
23:33<sney>I wouldn't even put X on a firewall system.
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23:37<simonrvn>hell no.
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23:39<ml|>simonrvn: tell us how you really feel ;)
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23:40<simonrvn>the most i'll put is an x based app, plus xauth, but no actual x server. but this is just one box.
23:41<ml|>yes, I see no need for X on a server
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23:55<gonzalo>hola alguno habala español?
23:56<adb>es ?
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