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00:01<dominique>How do I use firestarter to forward all TCP and UDP connections to an IP address?
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00:02<adb>man firestarter ? if any ..
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00:06<adb>yes, there is
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00:08<dominique>What is the quickest way to set up port forwarding in debian Lenny 5.04?
00:09<adb>!port forwarding
00:09<dpkg>methinks port forwarding is handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See <transparent proxy> and <port forward> for more information.
00:09<dominique>!port forward
00:09<dpkg>Ask me about <ip forwarding> ; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination
00:10<dominique>iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination
00:10<dominique>!iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination
00:12<nostmith>!tell dominique about selftell
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00:24<dominique>How do I go about setting up port forwarding in my linux PC?
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00:27<dr|z3d>dominique: You'd configure that on your router.
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00:30<dominique>dr|z3d, my debian is the router in which I want the request to the public Ip at a port be forwarded to a local IP.
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00:36<dr|z3d>dominique: iptables, I suspect.
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00:44<bmwmunda>hi all
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00:45<bmwmunda>im running debian linux lenny 5.0.0 i386 686 is thier a newer version
00:46<Kingzero>I have problem with my wireless connection on debian testing. For some reason, the network adapter just stopped working all of a sudden. Only thing i get from the logs, is that dmesg shows, that the adpter is being reset. ifconfig shows the card, but for an example, iwlist scan does not find any networks. I can set the adapter manually, but... If anyone could, help it would be much appreciated.
00:46<sney>bmwmunda: as long as you're doing your updates you're on the newest lenny
00:46<Kingzero>Also, this same problem occurs, wheter i use the ndiswrapper driver, or the madwifi...
00:46<sney>Kingzero: madwifi? you should be on ath5k/9k if you're using squeeze
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00:47<bmwmunda>no i did not do ny update do i need to just do apptitude update
00:48<sney>bmwmunda: aptitude update and then aptitude safe-upgrade
00:49<bmwmunda>is thier any beefit using 64 bit im running 32 bit right now my pc specs are intel 4 chip 2.2 mhz 2 gig ram
00:50<sney>bmwmunda: not that you would notice
00:51<bmwmunda>all i use it for is server nothing else
00:51<sney>just keep it as i686, more people use it so it's better tested and more stable
00:51<dr|z3d>bmwmunda: Less than 4G, 64bit is a waste of space.
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00:52<bmwmunda>is use it headless and do stuff with putty and winscp if i need to do any changes on it im new to linux is that the right way
00:52<dr|z3d>Putty on windows, openssh-server on Debian. Perfect.
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01:17<Kingzero>Okay, i loaded the ath5k driver, but same thing. Double checked the /etc/network/interfaces and everything looks normal. When using ifup, dhcp only tells dhcpdiscover on wlan0 to
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01:21<sney>Kingzero: have you tried manually associating to the access point using iwconfig?
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01:23<kelemvor>Can anyone tell me where I might find logs from eclipse 3.5 on a debian 5 system? I'm having trouble getting eclipse to fire up....
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01:23<kelemvor>nothing in syslog that I can see btw
01:23<sney>kelemvor: if you run it inside a terminal it should give you some information
01:24<sney>also check the bts for the eclipse package
01:24<kelemvor>yeah I tried that, just hits the cpu for about 10 seconds and returns with no output
01:26<nostmith>had anyone got empathy working with gmail in squeeze?
01:27<kelemvor>awesome, thanks gsimmons!
01:29<kelemvor>found my problem, too!
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01:30<shaggy_>Hey, I dont think this is normal depdency? python-kde4: Depends: python-sip4 (>= <none>) but 4.10.1-1 is to be installed
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01:33<shaggy_>thank you for your helP?
01:33<shaggy_>CYA Guys
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03:09<khades>don't get
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03:09<khades>i changed something to open links with matcher in urxvt with uzbl
03:09<khades>and don't get how to change the browser
03:10<khades>no even a bit info in .Xdefaults
03:10<khades>and if i delete uzbl - urzvt don't open any links
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03:20<bmwmunda>hi all
03:21<bmwmunda>im trying to update debian linux with aptitude safe upgrade i get error
03:22<dr|z3d>bmwmunda: try aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
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03:22<dr|z3d>That's a single line, and the && is intentional.
03:23<dr|z3d>Also, not the hyphen between safe and upgrade.. crucial.
03:24<bmwmunda>ok got it so thats all tp upgrading do i need to install anything
03:24<jm_>yeah you definitely need sl
03:24<bmwmunda>what is sl
03:25<jm_>install it and see
03:25*dr|z3d laughs.
03:25<dr|z3d>or: apt-cache search sl
03:25*dr|z3d winks.
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03:26<dr|z3d>If you knew what it was, you could grep the output!
03:26<bmwmunda>what am i looking for lots off stuff
03:26*dr|z3d chuckles.
03:26<bmwmunda>lol am i missing something in the joke
03:27<dr|z3d>You might be. :)
03:27<dr|z3d>But then, you're laughing too.. so..
03:28<bmwmunda>i no but still confused
03:28<dr|z3d>just aptitude install sl and see what it does.
03:28<dr|z3d>you can always uninstall after it's trojanned your system. *wink*
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03:28<bmwmunda>i ran it so now what
03:28<nostmith>jm_, dr|z3d have you tried sl latelly? it seems to not be working for me...
03:29<jm_>nostmith: I ran it yesterday
03:29<dr|z3d>type: sl
03:29<dr|z3d>from a prompt.
03:29<dr|z3d>or if you're feeling curious, man sl
03:29<nostmith>unknown command
03:29<nostmith>man sl works.
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03:32<bmwmunda>question how does one make start script for a app
03:33<valdyn>bmwmunda: why would you make a start script?
03:33<@Ganneff>one copies the skeletion file from etc/init.d and adjusts it
03:33<bmwmunda>i need it for a program much easier to start it pause it or stop it
03:33<valdyn>bmwmunda: thats a little to vague
03:33<bmwmunda>dont want it to strat at boot up
03:34<bmwmunda>after boot i want to use putty and strat the app than if need i can stop the app or pause it
03:35<bmwmunda>thier is a app= program .x86 program i want to run on this server
03:35<valdyn>bmwmunda: your gnome does that automagically
03:35<valdyn>bmwmunda: putty? on a server?
03:35<bmwmunda>im running headless
03:35<bmwmunda>min . install no desktop
03:36<valdyn>bmwmunda: headless or not, putty wants X
03:36<bmwmunda>so cant be done
03:36<valdyn>bmwmunda: so youre asking for something silly
03:36<nostmith>i think he want's to use putty on the current windows he's using now...
03:36<nostmith>s/windows/Windows machine
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03:37<bmwmunda>putty on windows 7 than running the program with putty on the server
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03:37<valdyn>bmwmunda: putty has no business running on your server
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03:37<bmwmunda>i no
03:37<bmwmunda>its not on the server
03:37<bmwmunda>its on windows 7
03:37<valdyn>bmwmunda: this is not a windows 7 support channel
03:38<jm_>he is running it on his windows machine, Debian is on the server and that's where he runs that x86 thing
03:38<jm_>so he's asking about the x86 app
03:38<bmwmunda>ok i have aprogram on the sever right now i have to cd into the folder execute the program with ./x86
03:38<jm_>make an alias or whatever
03:38<valdyn>bmwmunda: an crontab, look for @reboot in that manpage
03:39<valdyn>bmwmunda: man crontab, look for @reboot in that manpage
03:39<dr|z3d>putty, your friendly ssh/telnet/whatever client for windows.
03:40<valdyn>bmwmunda: and btw, it's at best not useful, at worst harmful that youre not telling us what program that is
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03:41<cjmoto7>oh ok, i've never heard of putty before. but it sounds really good! :)
03:42<bmwmunda>so how does one make a start script for this program
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03:44<dpkg>it is certain
03:44<valdyn>!8ball bmwmunda
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03:44<bmwmunda>what is 8ball
03:45<valdyn>bmwmunda: like a dice, but not giving numbers but random answers
03:46<cjmoto7>!8ball valdyn
03:46<cjmoto7>!8ball valdyn
03:46<dr|z3d>No, that's not how it works, cjmoto7
03:46<dr|z3d>!8ball is cjmoto7 a complete tard?
03:46<dr|z3d>You need to ask it a question!
03:46<cjmoto7>oh lol
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03:48<dr|z3d>!8ball Is there much Ubuntu love in the channel?
03:48<bmwmunda>ok i have a program that in my local dir. its .x86 program for me to start it i have to go into the directory than add the command ./rqcs.x86 than the program runs than to stop it i need to find the pid and kill the pid too much work was wondering could i make a start script with easy run and stop command for this program
03:48<valdyn>bmwmunda: read /etc/init.d/skeleton, read "man start-stop-daemon"
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03:49<cjmoto7>!8ball is dr|z3d a friggen retard? :D
03:49<dpkg>I'm not sure.
03:49<cjmoto7>what?? what do you mean ur not sure? lol
03:50<dondelelcaro>cjmoto7: if you need to play with the bot, use /msg
03:50<dr|z3d>cjmoto7: You might have flummoxed him with incorrect spelling of the word "frigging".
03:50*dr|z3d winks.
03:50<cjmoto7>oh hehe
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03:51<cjmoto7>!8ball is dr|z3d a frigging retard?
03:51<dpkg>Are you smoking crack?
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03:52<dr|z3d>cjmoto7: And overuse is *not* recommended :)
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03:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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04:04<musixuser>Hi, i need help, this is my first time using linux
04:04<musixuser>and im using a live cd
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04:05<khades>musixuser: so what do u need?
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04:05<musixuser>whow can i install linux whithout formating mi pc
04:06<dr|z3d>musixuser: The live cd will help with that.
04:06<khades>resize partitions with partition magic
04:06<dr|z3d>It should offer an option to partition your existing windows drive.
04:06<khades>musixuser: there's a question - why do u really need in linux
04:06<dr|z3d>And you don't need partition magic..
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04:06<khades>if u need in observin int -
04:06<khades>so u need to install it in virtualpc
04:06<dr|z3d>The installer will automatically (or manually) partition with gparted.
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04:07<musixuser>yes but the partition delets all files
04:07<dr|z3d>khades: You're being singularly unhelpful.
04:07<dr|z3d>musixuser: It shouldn't do, it should offer the option to repartition.
04:07<khades>resized partitions with parition magic WONT be cleared
04:07<dr|z3d>khades: Will you please shut up. You're patently clueless about Debian.
04:07<musixuser>so repartition will use the free space only?
04:08<khades>dr|z3d: you're so elitist
04:08<khades>musixuser: ye
04:08<dr|z3d>It should do. It will, in any event, tell you about what it's doing before it does anything.
04:08<dr|z3d>khades: Go play in the #windows channel: you obviously belong there.
04:09<khades>dr|z3d: yeye
04:09<dr|z3d>If I have a Porsche, I don't go to a Ferrari dealer to get it fixed..
04:09<khades>dr|z3d: thart is your blind elitist point of view
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04:09<musixuser>the real problem is that other users of this pc will wat to have windows for them
04:09<dr|z3d>!ops pleae lose the windows troll.. aka khades
04:09<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: pleae lose the windows troll.. aka khades
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04:09<khades>oh lol
04:10<khades>i will post my desktop screenshot
04:10<dr|z3d>We don't care.
04:10<@zobel>khades: please behave.
04:10<khades>dr|z3d: youre fat troll didn't care :D
04:10<dr|z3d>And you're patently not here to offer Debian khades..
04:10<dr|z3d>*debian support
04:10<terr_>I'm looking at the Darwin ports nad I see they carry Debian packages. I'm wondering if there are any Debian Darwin ports team here. Either that or if anyone knows where I can find Darwin pots team
04:11<khades>that's my desktop
04:11<khades>it is so windowish :3
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04:11<khades>my fair lady
04:11*dr|z3d waits for the collective penny to drop.
04:12<khades>it is pretty looks like windows
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04:13<khades>things that makes trolls shut up is priceless :3
04:13*dr|z3d clears his airspace of random interjections with zero relevance.
04:13<babilen>Good morning :)
04:13*babilen wonders what he stumbled into
04:13<khades>babilen: don't think about it
04:13<dr|z3d>Not much, babilen, and good morning to you!
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04:14<dr|z3d>Garden variety troll. Nothing to see *chuckles*
04:14<dr|z3d>Doubly so when you've muted the offender ;)
04:15<khades>dr|z3d: man, i just think that partmagic is more good in remiking win partitions cause i never used gparted. i merged to linux long ago
04:16<babilen>terr_: Darwin ports?
04:16<babilen>terr_: Debian has not been ported to the Darwin Kernel
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04:19<terr_>babilen: perhaps its just app then
04:19<terr_>babilen: I'm just looking for a specific app: Gnu units
04:21<kaziem>I'm having trouble with a dual monitor setup
04:21<babilen>terr_: Darwin ports are completely unrelated to Debian
04:21<terr_>babilen: no worries
04:21<terr_>kaziem: what is your problem.
04:21<kaziem>when I configure it so the external screen is on top of the other one, when I maximize windows on the lower one they are partially blocked by the gnome-panel
04:22<nostmith>is there any proper way to check if empathy is using an encrypted connection to gmail or some other server?
04:22<kaziem>any idea terr_ ?
04:22<terr_>kaziem: I've been running dual for over a decade but I run side by side
04:22<khades>i love the moments when dr|z3d shut up :3
04:22<dr|z3d>nostmith: You could use wireshark.
04:23<dr|z3d>You could also use netstat.
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04:23<kaziem>could you test and check if this issue also affects you terr_ ?
04:23<kaziem>I have a dual monitor setup.. when I configure it so the external screen is on top of the other one, when I maximize windows on the lower one they are partially blocked by the gnome-panel
04:23<terr_>kaziem: it doesnot affect me. Try running the panel on the left or right side.
04:23<nostmith>dr|z3d, with netstat should i look for some specific string?
04:24<kaziem>the sides are too small for me =(
04:24<dr|z3d>nostmith: More than likely!
04:24<terr_>kaziem: also I run KDE and its an old version. Try making Gnome-panel hide after a few seconds.
04:25<khades>so fat troll get rippen by real man
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04:25<kaziem>when gnome-panel "hides" it moves into the top screen =)
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04:26<terr_>kaziem: this this explains how they did it! That is a cheat! They defiened the winodw bigger than it really is and expected it to roll into non-displayable space. Now X is grabbing it.
04:27<dr|z3d>nostmith: try netstat -e -e |grep <yourappname>
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04:27<dr|z3d>You'll be able to indentify ports, hopefully.. you should then be able to filter for those in Wireshark.
04:27<terr_>kaziem: At least I suspect that is the issue. Try using a vertical orientation for Gnome-panel for vertical screens
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04:29<nostmith>dr|z3d, when grepping for xmpp, i got: tcp 0 0 tirion.local:47229 gx-in-f125.:xmpp-client ESTABLISHED nostmith 9643
04:29<dr|z3d>nostmith: Great. So now you want to filter for that local port in Wireshark..
04:29<dr|z3d>That should tell you the nature of the connection.
04:30<nostmith>you mean 47229 right?
04:30<kaziem>terr_, I use lots of shortcuts in that panel, vertical orientation is not an option
04:30<dr|z3d>kaziem: Tried shrinking the panel a little?
04:31<terr_>kaziem: try moving it to the top if its at the botttom nad the bottom if its at the top
04:31<dr|z3d>nostmith: You see the same info I do..
04:31<dr|z3d>tcp local ...
04:31<terr_>kaziem: try moving to vertical anyways just to see what happens.
04:31<dr|z3d>should be fairly clear..
04:32<nostmith>should be... :">
04:32<dr|z3d>I've all but confirmed what you've told me. :P
04:32<dr|z3d>Your machine name.. tirion?
04:32<dr|z3d>And the connection itself..
04:33<dr|z3d>Local = you. Remote = where you're going. tirion = you. So.. fill in the gaps..
04:33<dr|z3d>Hint: you already did!
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04:34<dr|z3d>I just want you to be certain you understand the info there.
04:34<dr|z3d>Or at least, the info you need to know about.
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04:40<nostmith>dr|z3d, ya, i did. now the problem is to find out what to do with wireshark. lol
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04:40<dr|z3d>nostmith: Find out how to filter on tcp on that local port.
04:41<dr|z3d>That will isolate that connection and provide details on its nature.
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04:50<thkoch>Could sbd explain me, why this bug isn't shown in the buglist of the package:
04:51<jm_>probably because it's so new
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05:01<s7>hi, am having my mic not working with skype in ubuntu 9.04 and need some help to sort this out.
05:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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05:23<firefox>I have two usb video capture devices, how do I get them working? I cant get them up on xawtv... is there any pacakge I need to get?
05:24<mart>try luvcview
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05:30<firefox_>mart, kk checking that to
05:31<firefox_>mart, the problem is neither show up in /dev as video
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05:31<mart>not good
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05:31<mart>anything interesting in the kernel logging when you plug them in?
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05:34<firefox_>mart, well the show up fine under lsusb
05:34<mart>as video class devices?
05:34<s7>Mic problem with skype in Ubuntu 9.04, how can I fix it?
05:35<firefox_>let me grab paste bin really quick
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05:35<firefox_>s7, ubuntu is on freenode I think
05:35<mart>s7, you have been told to take that question to #ubuntu
05:35<mart>don't just repeat it here. That's rude.
05:36<firefox_>mart, grabbing pastebin relly quick
05:36<mart>firefox, that's cool
05:36<mart>but if they do show up as video devices, and not in /dev, then I don't know what's going on either
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05:39<firefox_>mart, computers hate me... I am used to it.. maybe its because I have my way with them.
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05:40<mart>looks like udev is not mapping the devices
05:41<mart>what happens if you use the usbdev entries?
05:41<mart>oh nevermind
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05:41<mart>I just misread something
05:42<mart>they're also not being mapped as usbdevX_X devices
05:42<firefox_>how do I beat.. err I mean convince them to be?
05:43<mart>assuming I'm right, by writing a set of udev rules
05:43<mart>last time I looked at that I went: "I leave that up to the maintainer, thank you very much"
05:44<firefox_>ugh... yeah I was reading on that
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05:44<mart>not helpful, I realise, but that's the current extent of my knowledge
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05:45<Ox90>never hav i head so much trouble installing debian
05:45<Ox90>or typing apparently
05:46<Ox90>i cannot format my disks because the installer keeps saying the volume groups are in use
05:46<Ox90>very annoying
05:46<firefox_>mart, well thanks anyway lol any suggestion is better than nothing..
05:47<firefox_>0x90, you running a raid?
05:47<Ox90>yeah raid 5
05:47<Ox90>trashed the array and rebuilt but its still daying its in use!
05:47<firefox_>0x90, fake raid?
05:47<Ox90>nope real raid,
05:48<Ox90>hp p410i
05:48<firefox_>0x90, lucky you =( all I ever got was fake haha. well in that case I wouldnt know.
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05:54<Ox90>i now have 3 swap partitions and 3 root partitions on the lvm
05:54<Ox90>cant remove any because they are all still in use
05:55<Ox90>if i can't get this sorted soon, im gonna be forced to use windows cause my boss is starting to get touchy about it...
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05:55<Ox90>that i don't want
05:55<firefox_>0x90, from my understanding... HW raid makes it to where the software never even sees whats going on... I doubt that is helpful though =/
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05:56<seeS>that's right. proper hardware raid is invisible to the filesystem. obviously there are hooks to work out the underlying state but its just a disk
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05:57<Ox90>sure, the device comes up as /dev/cciss/c0p0
05:58<Ox90>the raid is fine, the installer is complaining that the volume group is in ue
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05:58<Ox90>use, there is not even a system on this machine
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05:59<seeS>it would mean it in the partition sense
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06:16<seeS>hello maxp
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06:24<jmm>hi !
06:25<babilen>lo !
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06:49<brokencycle>I'm having a problem adding a SCSI disk to a server with a MegaRAID controller. Symptom: In dmesg, I see "scsi 0:0:34:0: Direct-Access FUJITSU MBA3147RC 0103 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5", but in fdisk -l I don't see /dev/sdb
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06:49<brokencycle>(or anything except /dev/sda and a bunch of /dev/dm-N entries)
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06:51<brokencycle>The machine still runs Etch - can't upgrade right now :(
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06:52<seeS>some raids just wont work in linux, whats sda? some completely different drive?
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06:57<brokencycle>nou, sda is a raid1 configured directly on the controller. I now wanted to add another drive, possibly two, and create a softraid besides that, to avoid taking the machine down for hours...
06:58<seeS>ok, so you added the drive and cannot see it?
07:00<brokencycle>The machine has, in theory, hot swap capabilities. Initially, it had two of these drives, and today, two more drives were added (one of these was defective, but nevermind). The initial two drives are tied together via the controller's bios to form a raid1, and now I wanted to add more drives to form another raid1, but this time via mdadm, not the controller's bios. I can see the drive when I scan the scsi bus, but cannot see it in /dev, or I don't kn
07:00<brokencycle>ow where to look.
07:01<brokencycle>this is 2.6.26 bpo, btw
07:01<seeS>does dmesg show that the new drive appears?
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07:01<brokencycle>yes, that's where i copied the line identifying the drive from.
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07:02<brokencycle>but dmesg does not show /dev/sdb or something, only 'scsi ..."
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07:02<seeS>ah yes
07:03<brokencycle>I tried to go to /dev and ./MAKEDEV sdb, but that only resulted in a long list of error messages - probably due to my using the device mapper
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07:03<seeS>so you should see the drive appear then a few lines later the sdBLAH lines
07:04<brokencycle>But I don't see the drive. No 'sdBLAH' lines, for extended perioids of time.
07:04<brokencycle>(ie, > 1 hr by now)
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07:05<seeS>itll appear pretty soon after the drive goes in
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07:07<seeS>ok. so its sort of there but not really, the question is why
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07:09<brokencycle>Exactly. I'd like to see a user space tool, eg. an option to scsiadd, to make it appear. All incantations that I tried so far, were unsuccessful.
07:10<brokencycle>Otherwise, there's only the controller's bios left.
07:10<jm_>there are scripts to rescan scsi bus
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07:11<brokencycle>jm_: you mean, besides 'echo '- - -' > /sys/.../scan?
07:12<jm_>brokencycle: perhaps that's what they do, I don't really remember
07:12<brokencycle>I've seen such scripts, but at first sight, they looked like being geared towards 2.4 kernels.
07:13<jm_>has the interface changed in 2.6?
07:13<seeS>i can see your problem, but im not sure why its not working
07:14<brokencycle>I'm not quite sure, but I've also found articles that indicated that the subsystem was changed quite a bit. If the interface was also changed, I don't really know.
07:14<jm_>does megaraid driver have any debugging options?
07:16<jm_>perhaps one needs to handle it in controller's bios then, mayve its documentatino will reveal something
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07:16<jm_>i think some of our old dells had it and unless I configured it in bios linux would not see the drives at all
07:16<seeS>brokencycle: my [sda] line appears directly after the scsi line like you pasted here
07:17<brokencycle>IOW, something's broken at my end.
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07:17<brokencycle>any specific controller settings to watch out for, please?
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07:17<seeS>are they sata drives or real scsi
07:19<brokencycle>they are 3.5" 80-pin SCA drives
07:19<seeS>ok. which is why mine says Direct-Access ATA (diskmodel)
07:20<brokencycle>I don't understand. You have SATA disks on this controller?
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07:21<seeS>sata on different controller
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07:21<seeS>ok, i know some hardware raid systems "grab" all the drives they use
07:21<seeS>for things like spares etc, are you sure thats not what happening here
07:22<brokencycle>I'm not sure, but the initial configuration was done literally years ago. ;}
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07:23<brokencycle>I also don't have easy physical access, so...
07:23<seeS>certainly the scsi code is seeing the drive but the sd code is not
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07:23<seeS>i think its the raid, but how to fix it? no idea sorry
07:24<brokencycle>thanks for your help, anyway. at least, I'm now more confident that I'm not being totally stupid...
07:25<seeS>heh, glad it was some little help then
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07:30<brokencycle>sorry, it was an SAS disk
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09:02<mjk>Are there any traps when switching a Debian testing (AMD64) from sysvinit to upstart?
09:04<mjk>And if services start simultaneously with upstart, what will the console output look like? One line with ABABAB instead of two lines with AAA and BBB?
09:06<babilen>mjk: I have no experience with upstart in Debian, but insserv works great. for details
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09:14<Grimnar>Anyone here?
09:14<mjk>Grimnar: No.
09:14<mjk>Grimnar: ;-)
09:14<Grimnar>Holy shit, this is fucked up irc client
09:14<Grimnar>hold on
09:14<mjk>Grimnar: With 395 ppl in this channel, it is quite likely that at least someone is awake. =)
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09:15<chattr>anyone is not here, but no-one is here
09:15<ravenbird>mjk: I give up, what is it?
09:15<mjk>ravenbird: Howwhowherewhat?
09:15<ravenbird>mjk: Bugger all, I dunno.
09:15*mjk scratches his head.
09:16<babilen>mjk: ravenbird is a bot
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09:16<babilen>%beer mjk
09:16<mjk>babilen: A new bot, next to dpkg?
09:16<ravenbird>babilen: I don't know, could you explain it?
09:16<ravenbird>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
09:16<dpkg>methinks beer is liquid gold mate
09:16<mjk>Hmmm... why a second bot?
09:16<ravenbird>mjk: I give up, what is it?
09:17<mjk>Aaaaha! No useful information from ravenbird. =)
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09:17<dpkg>somebody said upstart was an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. See also
09:18<grimnar>Lets see if this one works better
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09:18<grimnar>So Im kinda desperate
09:18<mjk>grimnar: irssi or weechat, everything else suxx =)
09:18<babilen>themill: Do you know about the status of upstart in Debian. I am using insserv ever since Petter wrote his "The future of ..." mail to d-d-a, but am unsure about upstart
09:18<grimnar>yeah, well
09:19<themill>babilen: nfc
09:19<grimnar>Im in osx right now
09:19<babilen>themill: hehe
09:19<mjk>nfc = no fscking comment?
09:19<babilen>mjk: no fuckin clue
09:19<mjk>babilen: Ah thx =)
09:19<grimnar>But anyways, I need some help with grub2
09:19<mjk>babilen: (Thx for the link a few mins ago, reading it)
09:19<mjk>grimnar: You mean the boot loader without documentation? :-}
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09:20<babilen>mjk: You might also be interested in readahead-fedora and: if boot performance is important for you
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09:20<babilen>grimnar: What is the problem?
09:21<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
09:21<azeem>what's the recommended way to get better-than-vesa support for Intel GMA4500 in lenny? Install (and thus udev, ouch) from squeeze?
09:21<azeem>well, recommended, as in, least painful
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09:22<babilen>grimnar: Have you tried something like that ^^^ ?
09:22<grimnar>No, Im just trying to secure some info on how to do it.
09:23<grimnar>A few google searches said that Im fucked, and some say other things
09:23<grimnar>So I have to do some research
09:23<babilen>grimnar: Which version of Debian do you use? What have you done prior to this?
09:23<grimnar>Debian Squeeze
09:23<grimnar>What do you mean by prior?
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09:23<babilen>grimnar: You are definitely not fucked - there is always a way. (even if that way is a complete reinstall)
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09:24<babilen>grimnar: Well, before that error happened
09:24<grimnar>Nothing, just ran a complete apt-get update* and rebooted
09:24<jm_>azeem: probably, building intel driver is a pain
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09:24<grimnar>ran update-grub2 before boot, since there was an update to grub, just to make sure
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09:25<babilen>grimnar: Well, just follow the steps outlined by dpkg and it should (hopefully) work
09:25<babilen>grimnar: There is typically no need to run update-grub2 manually after an upgrade
09:26<grimnar>yeah, but the thing is my server is kinda semi production so I want to make sure Im not going to loose any data
09:26<grimnar>Even its running on a backup disk right now
09:26<grimnar>backup disk is like 3-4 weeks old
09:27<babilen>grimnar: Well, if you want recent backups then you have to backup first, but the procedure to fix grub does *not* interfere with your data
09:28<babilen>(except grub data)
09:28<jm_>alternatively install grub 1
09:28<babilen>or lilo
09:28*babilen hides
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09:28<mjk>Hmm ... Channel-dpkg claims for fglrx that fglrx-driver 1:10-3~prerelease-1 supports Xorg 7.5 --- but 1:10-3~prerelease is not in the repository (have testing, unstable, experimental in sources.list). How come?
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09:29<babilen>,versions fglrx-driver
09:29<judd>fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-2
09:29<grimnar>Yeah, I've already installed grub1 on a usb stick just to check out stuff, but I have yet to make the rounds on my production disk
09:29<babilen>mjk: Which factoid are you speaking about?
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09:29<mjk>babilen: <fglrx>
09:30<mjk>babilen: says that prerelease-1 was accepted on 2010-03-21 in unstable
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09:30<babilen>mjk: Well, the factoid is out of date, there is 1:10-3~prerelease-2 in unstable
09:30<mjk>babilen: Or is just my German ftp server so laggy (mirror-wise)?
09:30<jm_>maybe it's because it's at prerelease-2 now?
09:31<babilen>mjk: "as of 1:10-3~prerelease-1" means "since version 1:10-3~prerelease-1" (which is true for -2)
09:31<themill>,recent fglrx-driver
09:31<judd>Package fglrx-driver recent uploads: 1:10-3~prerelease-2 2010-03-22, 1:10-3~prerelease-1 2010-03-22, 1:10-2-2 2010-02-28, 1:10-2-1 2010-02-17, 1:10-1-1 2010-01-28, 1:9-12-1 2009-12-17, 1:9-11-2 2009-11-23, 1:9-11-1 2009-11-18, 1:9-10-3 2009-11-17, 1:9-10-2 2009-11-16.
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09:31<mjk>babilen: Yes, but when I do "aptitude update; apt-cache policy fglrx-driver", it only shows 1:10-2-2 in unstable
09:31<jm_>heh, so many commands to remember :)
09:31<mjk>babilen: But not 1:10-3~prerelease-*
09:32<mjk>ries = ?
09:32<themill>babilen: probably doesn't help
09:32<themill>mjk: what mirror are you using?
09:32<mjk>Just switched to, to no avail
09:32<mjk>themill: Tried us and de
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09:33<themill>mjk: has 1:10-3~prerelease-2 on it
09:33<babilen>hmm, but ries can't really be the reason if it was uploaded on 2010-03-22 or can it?
09:33<mjk>themill: What the ... let me check AGAIN
09:33<babilen>mjk: do that :)
09:34<mjk>My sources.list entry reads: deb unstable main non-free contrib -- anything wrong with that maybe?
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09:34<themill>sounds fine
09:34<themill>mjk: what arch is this for btw
09:34<jm_>now he'll say amd64 ;)
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09:35<themill>,versions fglrx-driver amd64
09:35<judd>fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-2
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09:35<themill>(it's there for amd64 too, I checked earlier)
09:35<mjk>HMMMM ...j
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09:35<jm_>p.d.o lists older version for amd64
09:35<mjk>Look here, that's my apt-cache policy fglrx-driver output after aptitude update (
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09:36<jm_>yeah I think it lists that one
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09:36<themill>hmmm judd is getting its information from :S
09:36<mjk>I would understand a 24 h delay or so, but it's now 5 days since pdo claims prerelease-1 was in ...
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09:37<themill>bah... an old bug in judd's arch handling code that I fixed in git but not in judd
09:37<themill>,versions fglrx-driver --arch amd64
09:37<judd>fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-2-2
09:38<aguitel>anyway to install iceweasel 3.6 ?
09:38<mjk>In <>, I can see the two prereleases, but NOT for amd64!
09:38<jm_>aguitel: find the links to debs in maintainer's blog
09:38<themill>mjk: there's no autobuilding of non-free packages so it requires a maintainer to build and upload for each arch
09:38<jm_>mjk: see above, it's not there yet
09:38<jm_>for once 386 wins!
09:39<mjk>themill: Ah, okay, thanks for the information!
09:39<aguitel>jm_, what is maintainer's blog
09:39<jm_>aguitel: google for iceweasel glandium
09:39<mjk>themill: So ... how would one go about making the pkg maintainer build it for amd64? Bribe? =)
09:40<themill>mjk: you can probably build it yourself without too much hassle.
09:40<mjk>themill: Okay, will try that then!
09:40<jm_>yeah probably similar to nvidia
09:40<mjk>Thanks for your help guys! *cuddle* =)
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09:41<aguitel>ml|, thanks
09:41<aguitel>jm_, thanks
09:41<jm_>aguitel: np
09:42<aguitel>jm_, ml| you installed it?
09:42<jm_>aguitel: not yet
09:42<ml|>nope, I'll wait I use firefox anyways
09:42<jm_>I am kind of lazy with restarting my browser, even though firefox sucks badly when it's running for more than a few days
09:42<aguitel>ml|, firefox or iceweasel ?
09:43<ml|>firefox, which is not supported here
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09:50<Ox90>right, im still having trouble with these open volume groups, i booted into a shell from the installer and ran: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/cciss/c0d0 bs=1M, the damn installer is STILL saying the vg's are in use
09:50<Ox90>i think im going to cry
09:50<tuxcrafter>hello everybody i am searching for a debian package for these adobe fonts can somebody help me
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09:51<aguitel>in squeeze when i try to change some things in login window (under system--administration) it crash the gdm when i restart the pc
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09:52<ml|>aguitel: have you checked bts?
09:53<ireas>I’m having trouble with WLAN and debian
09:53<ireas>my wlan device eth1 is not display in network-admin
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09:54<mjk>l8r, playing with bootchartd
09:54<ireas>I guess there’s a driver problem
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09:54<babilen>ireas: network-admin ?
09:54<ireas>babilen: the gui network manager
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09:55<ireas>so I thought I could check the needed driver with ubuntu (it’s now running)
09:55<babilen>ireas: Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" "iwconfig" and your /etc/network/interfaces to a pastebin please?
09:55<babilen>ireas: Do you use Ubuntu?
09:55<ireas>and i installed debian, too
09:55<ireas>wlan runs under ubuntu, but not with debian
09:55<aguitel>ml|, how i do that
09:56<babilen>ireas: alright, could you paste the requested information please :)
09:56<ml|>aguitel: do you know what bts is?
09:56<babilen>!tell aguitel -about bts
09:56<ireas>babilen: may i paste it from ubuntu (where it works) or from debian (where it doesn’t work)?
09:56<aguitel>ml|, a ok
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09:57<babilen>ireas: Sure, but the information from Debian will most likely be enough
09:57<aguitel>ml|, you use kdm ?
09:57<ireas>babilen: but ubuntu is ok, too? otherwise i have to reboot ;)
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09:58<babilen>ireas: You can paste the "lspci -nn|grep -i network" from Ubuntu and then reboot :)
09:58<ml|>aguitel: look their there might be a work around and if you don't find a reported bug file one with reportbug /msg dpkg reportbug
09:58<ml|>aguitel: no
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09:58<adb>ireas, in my experience, when works in ubuntu , means on debian the firmware are missing
09:59<grimnar>So now Im ready to fixmbr
09:59<babilen>adb: most likely
09:59<babilen>grimnar: great :)
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10:00<grimnar>cd is booted, the harddrive is ready, the Insatller menu is in front of me, now what? I cant remember :D
10:00<babilen>!tell grimnar -about fixmbr
10:00<ml|>aguitel: read the last sentence from bts that dpkg sent you; install those if you have not done so already
10:00<aguitel>ml|, i try
10:01<grimnar>_when_ should I press alt-f2? Install/advanced options?
10:01<ml|>aguitel: and reportbug of course :)
10:01<grimnar>(yeah, Im scared to fail as hell here now)
10:01<ireas>adb: that’s possbile. but how to find out what firmware I need?
10:01<ireas>adb: i hope i can check this with ubuntu
10:02<babilen>,pciid 14e4:4315
10:02<judd>[14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also and the out-of-tree 'wl' module.
10:02<jm_>grimnar: when the installer starts
10:02<gsimmons>dpkg: tell ireas -about bcm4312
10:02<ireas>babilen: I already added the eth1 to /etc/network/interfaces, but it was’t found
10:02<grimnar>ok, I so Im not to go in advanced -> Rescue mode
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10:02<babilen>ireas: dpkg should have send you a message that explains it
10:02<ireas>babilen: yeah, i’m reading .)
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10:03<jm_>you can try using that too if it works
10:03<grimnar>sounds assuring
10:04<grimnar>Okay, I guess I'm in some sort of shell her, busybox
10:04<babilen>grimnar: I have always used a real live cd (grml) for things like these - but either the alt-f2 or the rescue system should work
10:04<babilen>grimnar: well, then just follow the rest of the instructions
10:05<ml|>grml :)
10:05<grimnar>But I cannot list the partitions :(
10:05<babilen>grimnar: What is your root partition?
10:06<babilen>Does busybox have fdisk?
10:06<grimnar>df show only tmpfs
10:06<jm_>mine does
10:06<grimnar>fdisk: not found
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10:07<babilen>grimnar: Well, you partitioned the drive. Do you know on which partition you put the root fs?
10:07<grimnar> in /dev/sda1 you mean? Or the /
10:07<babilen>grimnar: Otherwise: Mount all partitions till you find the right one :)
10:07<grimnar>going to try /dev/sda1
10:08<babilen>grimnar: Do you have different partitions for /usr /sbin /var ?
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10:08<babilen>grimnar: You can easily umount them and it should be obvious which partition is the correct one
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10:09<babilen>grimnar: If you have multiple partitions (for /boot /usr /bin ...) you would have to mount them too
10:09<grimnar>no, all on the same partition
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10:09<grimnar>its a serious syntax to type
10:10<grimnar>going to copy it here before doing it, just to make sure
10:10<babilen>yeah, do that. And give *one* command at a time
10:11<grimnar>hmm, so its not one long command?
10:11<babilen>don't forget to create /mnt/target (or whatever you want to use) first: mkdir /target
10:11<babilen>grimnar: No, they are a bunch of single commands chained together with ;
10:12<grimnar>hah, of course :)
10:12<ireas>babilen: so, I’ll try and reboot :)
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10:12<grimnar>Then some of it makes sence
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10:12<grimnar>but, /target (?)
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10:12<grimnar>(feeling stupid here)
10:12<babilen>grimnar: The name does not matter, you can mount it to /mnt/myprettypony if you want
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10:13<babilen>grimnar: The important thing is that you create that directory first
10:14<grimnar>grr, /dev/sda1 not such device
10:14<grimnar>going to reboot, just to make sure the disk is "there"
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10:16<babilen>grimnar: ls /dev/sda*
10:16<babilen>or /dev/hda*
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10:17<grimnar>It's a sata disk, so probably sda
10:17<grimnar>bios cant see it
10:17<babilen>BIOS can't see your hdd?
10:18<grimnar>no, but now busybox sees it, so
10:18<grimnar>I think so anyways
10:18<grimnar>Going to try it once again
10:18<babilen>roxi_lapeke: hei
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10:19<grimnar>nope, nothing there
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10:20<babilen>grimnar: I'm out for a second (coffee + cigarette) - i'm sure someone else is happy to guide in that time :-\
10:20<babilen>roxi_lapeke: Please don't /msg me
10:20<grimnar>sure, Im going to check out stuff
10:20<grimnar>Dont worry
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10:30<Teow>Does ext3 have any limits of total amount of files in a single directory? Or any number where the performance goes down?
10:31<ireas>I did the tasks, I’ve got a “b43” directory in /lib/firmware, I rebooted ... but there is no eth1 in ifconfig or network manager :-/
10:31<bremner>Teow: I'd guess more than 10000 files might be an issue. What are you thinking about?
10:32<cahoot>ireas: modprobe -r ssb; modprobe ssb; dmesg - any errors/complaints?
10:32<Teow>well, there are currently about 150k files in a directory and there are some performance issues
10:32<Teow>the script just reads a few specific files though, it does not list them
10:33<ireas>cahoot: none.
10:33<bremner>Teow: I don't have hard info, sorry, but that does sound like a Directory of Unusual Largeness (TM)
10:34<cahoot>ireas: and ifconfig -a?
10:34<ireas>cahoot: eth1 (wired), ng and lo - but no eth1
10:34<ireas>the first eth1 should be a eth0
10:35<cahoot>ireas: any signs of recognition of wifi in dmesg after the steps above?
10:36<ireas>cahoot: dmesg | grep eth1 is empty.
10:37<gsimmons>ireas: What exact "tasks" did you perform? You have yet to mention the Debian and kernel versions in use.
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10:37<cahoot>ireas: and I should have checked earlier - it *is* ssb you want for that device? - not wl?
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10:37<ireas>cahoot: I’m sorry - actually, I don’t know. guess I’m a network noob ^^
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10:38<ireas>gsimmons: the dpkg bot linked a page to install firmware. there were two steps described. i mean these steps
10:39<gsimmons>ireas: And the kernel version in use? (uname -r)
10:39<ireas>gsimmons: 2.6.26-2-686
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10:39<gsimmons>ireas: You need 2.6.32 for support within b43, read it again ; /msg dpkg bcm4312
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10:40<babilen>grimnar: status?
10:40<ireas>gsimmons: .oO
10:41<grimnar>Trying to mount stuff
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10:41<grimnar>mount -t ext3 /dev/sda /mnt/help - failed: no such device
10:41<grimnar>same goes to /dev/sda1
10:42<grimnar>but when I run "halt" it says something about disconnecting sda
10:42<desafder>hello how do i restart samba on squeeze ?
10:42<grimnar> /etc/init.d/samba restart ?
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10:43<ireas>gsimmons: so i have to do a dist-update?
10:43<desafder>ok looks to be it
10:44<gsimmons>ireas: No, installing the linux-image-2.6-686 package from lenny-backports (/msg dpkg bpo) provides a backported kernel for your system. The b43 driver within that will support your LP-PHY device.
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10:44<desafder>but it looks to have stop working by it self last week is there a log i can check to see why ?
10:44<ireas>gsimmons: thanks :)
10:45<babilen>grimnar: What is the output of "ls /dev/sd*" ?
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10:45<grimnar>babillen: /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5
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10:46<sney>what about fdisk -l /dev/sda (as root)
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10:46<babilen>sney: he is in busybox
10:46<grimnar>sney, talking to me?
10:47<sney>ah, no fdisk? never mind then
10:47<grimnar>anyways, fdisk = no such command
10:47<babilen>grimnar: try "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /mnt/help"
10:48<grimnar>still the same
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10:48<stuckey>If I have sid lines in my sources, aptitude shouldn't automatically download stuff from sid, right?
10:48<babilen>grimnar: for sda1, sda2 and sda5 ?
10:48<grimnar>sda5 is for sure swap
10:49<grimnar>but I can try sda2,
10:49<babilen>grimnar: probably
10:49<sney>stuckey: right, just make sure apt.conf is done right
10:49<grimnar>no such device, on all of themm
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10:49<babilen>hmm, well
10:49<stuckey>sney: how should it be?
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10:49<themill>dpkg: tell stuckey about tum
10:50<sney>what dpkg said ^
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10:50<grimnar>But I have a debian amd64 on a usb stick
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10:50<stuckey>themill: thanks
10:50<grimnar>Which I can mount with the /dev/sda
10:50<stuckey>judd: versions eclipse
10:51<judd>eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; lenny: 3.2.2-6.1; sid: 3.5.2-2
10:51<grimnar>but /dev/sda1 has debian i386
10:51<stuckey>No eclipse in testing?
10:51<themill>stuckey: note that's for a *testing*/unstable mix not a *stable*/unstable mix.
10:51<stuckey>themill: I'm using testing.
10:51<babilen>!why is eclipse not in testing
10:51<dpkg>eclipse is not in testing for the reasons listed in
10:52<themill>babilen: release.d.o is broken.
10:52<themill>The package was only uploaded a few days ago so it's not going to hit testing for a bit
10:52<stuckey>Is there a backport?
10:52<babilen>themill: right - and i mentioned ries before :-\
10:52<grimnar>But why cant I run the debian install disk in rescue mode, and reinstall grub from there?
10:54<stuckey>themill: do I just install it from sid?
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10:56<ml|>stuckey: if you know how to and have apt.conf setup right, that should be fine
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10:56<themill>check the output of apt-cache policy packagename
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11:02<ireas>gsimmons: I added backports to sources.list, then updated and installed debian-..-keyring and updated once more. but: “linux-image-2.6-686 ist schon die neueste Version.” (linux-image-... is already the newest version)
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11:04<gsimmons>ireas: Are you using "-t lenny-backports" in your aptitude/apt-get command?
11:04<ireas>gsimmons: ahh ... :)
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11:09<Ox90>is there any way to roll an install cd with a backported kernel without a functioning linux box?
11:09<bja>!es-social miguel
11:09<dpkg>miguel: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:09<Ox90>ie. through windows..
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11:10<ismael>i'm ismawl
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11:10<sney>!es-social ismael
11:10<dpkg>ismael: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
11:10<ismael>i'm ismawl
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11:20<ireas>gsimmons: now it works :))
11:21<ireas>thanks to all of you ;) *g*
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11:21<[fFf]>anyone knows how to create a package which overwrites some configuration files?
11:21<[fFf]>like the --force-overwrite options
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11:24<khades>how to break a comeover?
11:25<bremner>[fFf]: afaik, it is only debian policy that prevents overwriting configuration files, nothing technical in the packaging process. But I'm not sure I understand your actual question.
11:26<tuxcrafter>hi all how can i install th adobe fonts to fix this issue:
11:26<[fFf]>bremner: I've tried to insert some config file, eg. for iceweasel into a package
11:26<[fFf]>but I need to pass the --force-overwrite options to install it
11:26<peej>fFf, a user config file?
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11:27<[fFf]>no, the modifications are done in /etc because must be system wide
11:27<peej>fFf, maybe you want to purge iceweasel, and reinstall?
11:28<themill>peej: can't you just drop a file into /etc/iceweasel/pref/ to achieve the same effect?
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11:28<peej>themill, dunno. Maybe he wants a dpkg-reconfigure ?
11:29<[fFf]>no, I've multiple config files
11:29<[fFf]>for example, in /etc/grub.d/
11:29<[fFf]>to customize the background image
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11:29<bremner>[fFf]: maybe explain what you are really trying to do.
11:29<[fFf]>I'm building a live system
11:30<[fFf]>I cannot overwrite files directly
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11:30<[fFf]>because otherwise the installation stops
11:30<bremner>so doesn't the live system have customization facilities?
11:30<[fFf]>let's take grub as example
11:31<themill>[fFf]: many packages have the ability to drop in a config snippet into a conf.d file so that you can configure them from a separate package.
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11:31<[fFf]>yes, but during the installation step this is a little more tricky
11:32<[fFf]>for example
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11:32<[fFf]>how to change the grub background?
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11:32<[fFf]>the best solution should be modify /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme
11:33<[fFf]>but if I use a file to substitute it
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11:33<[fFf]>during the installation it complains that the config file is existing
11:33<[fFf]>and proposed me to to Overwrite, keep, see the diff, and so on
11:34<[fFf]>obviously an user cannot answer to this question on each installation
11:34<[fFf]>and the system is not interactive
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11:35<peej>so do a post install in the grub example?
11:36<ml|>Ox90: maybe use kmuto? /msg dpkg kmuto
11:36<[fFf]>a post installation configuration?
11:36<bremner>or add 06_debian_theme to overwrite, might work?
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11:36<themill>[fFf]: sounds like you're doing it all wrong... as bremner said, live-helper comes with the ability to customise things quite nicely. Or use 06_debian_theme to insert your settings.
11:36<themill>bremner: heh
11:36*bremner does vulcan mind-meld with themill
11:36<[fFf]>bremner: no, I've tried but creates only a lot of issue
11:37<[fFf]>themill: I'm using live-helper but I can't understand how to configure it
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11:37<bremner>[fFf]: ok, well, I don't have any better ideas than reading the live-helper docs and trying to see the "blessed" way
11:37<[fFf]>I've read them yet
11:38<peej>as for me, you should probably ignore me since I am totally clueless at the best of times
11:38<[fFf]>I've tried to include the files into chroot_local-includes/
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11:39<[fFf]>and for the /etc/gconf/%gconf.xml.defaults
11:39<[fFf]>it works fine
11:40<[fFf]>instead grub stops the installation
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11:41<[fFf]>because the grub package finds that the file still exist
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11:43<tuxcrafter>i cant get my apt-pinning to work for debian stabel openoffice packages i use debian unstable but need openoffice from stable due to critical bugs
11:43<rharris>Does any one know if debians (5.0.4) pam is built with --disable-audit?
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11:43<judd> -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; lenny-backports: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1~bpo50+1; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; sid: 1:3.2.0-4; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4
11:43<themill>tuxcrafter: OOo3.1 is on and works quite nicely
11:44<tuxcrafter>3.1 is broken here, i filled bug reports and they are forwarded to
11:44<themill>tuxcrafter: oh, you mean the other way around?
11:44<bja> squeeze-security????
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11:44<tuxcrafter>yes i need to pin the stable version to unstable
11:44<themill>tuxcrafter: that's unlikely to work
11:45<themill>bja: yeah, happens occasionally
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11:45<bremner>[fFf]: I guess live-helper is a bit specialized; you could try the mailing list
11:45<[fFf]>yes, I'll try
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11:46<tuxcrafter> man apt_preference
11:48<tuxcrafter>P > 1000 maybe 1000 was not enough
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11:48<rharris>so does any one know if pam in debian 5.0.4 is built with --disable-audit? pam does not seem to be submitting user authentication to audit for logging.
11:48<tuxcrafter>setting it to 9000
11:49<tuxcrafter>rharris: i know you can check this by doing apt-get source pammodule
11:49<tuxcrafter>and check the debian rules file and see the build options
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11:50<rharris>where would the debian rules file be located? (I am very new to debian) and source pammodule cannot be found
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11:52<tuxcrafter>rharris: checking it is not really beginners stuff but you need to find the name of the package you want to check and get the debian source from there it will unpack in your home directory and you will be able to find the rules for the package
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11:54<rharris>tuxcrafter: (I run an opensuse environment which seems to be very different from debian) I have the pam source now. but i do not see the rules file. (apt-get source pam)
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11:55<babilen>rharris: The rules files in in the 'debian' directory
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12:01<rharris>babilen: thank you I found what i needed. just to make sure the configure stamp: will run when installed by apt-get?
12:01<babilen>rharris: What are you trying to do?
12:02<babilen>rharris: Are you trying to recompile the package?
12:02<rharris>recompile pam without --disable-audit.
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12:02<rharris>babilen: however it is going pretty rough
12:02<babilen>!tell rharris -about package recompile
12:02<rharris>babilen: i just needed to make sure I was on the right track
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12:05<rharris>bablien: thank you! however I might need to start all over I dont know if this box is salvageable. would you happen to know why debian compiles pam with --disable-audit because now I have to do this for about 10 machines.
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12:07<ml|>rharris: maybe bts can explain why or a debian mailing list
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12:11<rharris>ml|: one last question I promise. is there anyway I can change it so from install from cd pam wont install with --disable-audit?
12:12<ml|>maybe, but I don't know
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12:13<babilen>rharris: Not sure if i missed something, but I think you'll have to create a custom cd with *your* (--enable-audit) package
12:13<babilen>!custom cd
12:13<dpkg>To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see and . Also ask me about <kmuto>, <cdd>.
12:13<babilen>rharris: And you can ask as many questions as you want to :)
12:14<rharris>well you guys have been amazingly helpful thank you so much
12:14<ml|>yeah, the channel does not limit questions; as long as they are debian ;)
12:15<babilen>rharris: Could you build the package? I lost connection for a wee bit
12:15<ml|>< rharris> babilen: i just needed to make sure I was on the right track
12:15<ml|>< rharris> bablien: thank you! however I might need to start all over I dont know if this box is salvageable. would you happen to know why debian compiles pam with --disable-audit because now I have to do this for about 10 machines.
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12:15<rharris>I havent tried building it
12:16<babilen>ml|: Thanks - I missed the last one :-\
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12:16<rharris>i might just start from scratch to get a coherent list of what I need to do
12:16<ml|>babilen: that's all I can tell you might have missed, np
12:16<babilen>rharris: I have no idea why pam is built with --disable-audit - You might want to ask the maintainer, or file a wishlist bug
12:16<babilen>,maintainer pam
12:17<judd>Package pam version 1.1.1-2 was uploaded by Steve Langasek, last changed by Steve Langasek and maintained by Steve Langasek.
12:17<ml|>rharris: I think that's a good idea
12:17<ml|>good luck
12:18<rharris>babilen: yeah i think I will do that it seems to be pretty important especially for PCI compiance
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12:20<rharris>well I am off to lunch than to fix my problem have a good day and once again thanks for the help.
12:21<babilen>rharris: Enjoy your lunch - which reminds me, i should fix something for dinner :)
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12:23<khades>is there someone usin upstart in squeeze?
12:24<babilen>khades: Check popcon
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12:24<SkippyKDFS>hi everyone
12:25<khades>anyway i am intersted in using that stuff
12:25<khades>not how many use it
12:25<SkippyKDFS>i'm new here and looking for help from anyone who understands or can assist with a php question
12:26<ml|>dpkg: tell SkippyKDFS about ask
12:26<dpkg>PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>. #php on, #php and ##php on
12:27<babilen>khades: Why don't you ask that then? I'm not using it, but i have made great experiences with insserv and dependency based boot handling as detailed in: and
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12:28<SkippyKDFS>i want to know if it possable to store php scripts in a database itself and have a page call up the script
12:28<retrospectacus>SkippyKDFS: sure
12:28<adb>SkippyKDFS, running debian ?
12:29<SkippyKDFS>no php5, mysql and apache
12:29<SkippyKDFS>testing locally before uploading to live server
12:30*SkippyKDFS isn't even sure what Debain is
12:30<babilen>SkippyKDFS: Which operating system do you use?
12:30<dpkg>Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh!
12:31<dpkg>[debian] See
12:31<SkippyKDFS>windsow 7 on my testing server not sure about the live server as i don't own it
12:32<babilen>SkippyKDFS: No offense, but it seems that you've came to the totally wrong place for support. This is a channel for Debian (a Linux distribution) support
12:32<babilen>SkippyKDFS: I would try one of the #php channels
12:33<SkippyKDFS>ah ok i just searched php help irc on google and it gave me this network but cool i'll try one of the php chans
12:33<SkippyKDFS>thanks anyway :)
12:33<babilen>SkippyKDFS: I would try the ones on freenode
12:33<babilen>SkippyKDFS: Have a nice day
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12:36<GeorgeDorn>Is debian an acronym? I didn't know that. Embarrassing.
12:36<babilen>GeorgeDorn: Debra and Ian
12:37<dpkg>[unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>.
12:37<babilen>adb: huh?
12:37<GeorgeDorn>Which also means I've been pronoucing it wrong all this time.
12:37<GeorgeDorn>Oh my.
12:37<adb> Not supported here, in general ..
12:37<babilen>GeorgeDorn: hehe :)
12:38<babilen>adb: Ah, i get it ...
12:38<ml|>!beer adb
12:38*dpkg pulls out a tasty Spaten Optimator for adb
12:38<babilen>!hug ml
12:38*dpkg gives ml a hug
12:38<dpkg>rumour has it, pieces is ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
12:38<unstable>guy what the troubles with lenny reposity ? i cant install apache2 whole week
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12:40<Lanz>Hey guys
12:40<Lanz>How do I install the binary nVidia legacy driver?
12:41<Lanz>The nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx one
12:41<Lanz>I tried using m-a a-i nvidia-legacy to no avail
12:41<khades> apt-get
12:41<khades>m-a a-i nvidia-legacy-96xx
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12:41<Lanz>I tried that in fact
12:41<khades>u need to say what version of legacy u need
12:41<khades>there's a lot of legacy drivers now
12:42<ml|>Lanz: what debian release?
12:42<Lanz>I want the 96 series
12:42<Lanz>Or whatever supports a GeForce Go 7600
12:42<Torsten_W>why 96 series?
12:43<Lanz>Not necessarily 96
12:43<Lanz>Just need to support that card
12:43<Lanz>I noticed it did
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12:43<ml|>the new should work
12:43<Torsten_W>the normal driver support this card
12:43<Lanz>It didn't load...
12:43<babilen>unstable: What troubles are you running into?
12:43<Lanz>Xorg said no screens found
12:43<babilen>!tell unstable -about bat
12:44<Torsten_W>Lanz, because you have done anything wrong?
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12:44<babilen>unstable: Please provide all the information dpkg just asked you about
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12:44<Torsten_W>Lanz, all cards >= geforce 6xxx are not legacy cards
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12:46<EmleyMoor>Under software RAID, where are array details kept? (presumably there are some?)
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12:49<EmleyMoor>How do I activate changes brought about by amending udev rules?
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12:49<bja>Lanz: lspci |grep nVidia
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12:51<ml|>EmleyMoor: try .. /etc/init.d/udev restart
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12:51<babilen>unstable: You gave up?
12:51<EmleyMoor>ml|: Did that - no change
12:52<unstable>babilen. in progress
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12:52<ml|>try stop then start
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12:53<EmleyMoor>Apart from a couple of leftovers, that seems to have done it
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12:59<cahoot>udevadm trigger?
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13:01<Lanz>Lol got it to work
13:01<Lanz>Failed the first time, dunno why
13:01<Lanz>Thanks haha
13:01<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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13:03<unstable>babilen, i send error for dpkg but without result . Main probles is apache2 his dont work with php , i reinstall apache2 lot of time . it so strange for debian lenny ,
13:03<EmleyMoor>What should I do to start CD packet writing, if it failed to start because of a change of device, now fixed?
13:04<babilen>unstable: sorry - busy at the moment
13:05<babilen>unstable: paste relevant output to and somebody will be able to help you
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13:07<unstable>babilen thanks , i try to compile from source ,
13:07<babilen>unstable: why?
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13:08<babilen>!es-social jorgiito
13:08<dpkg>jorgiito: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:09<unstable>result --- i get http server , if i try ask help in friday i think all guys have fun in this time
13:10<babilen>unstable: what? See there is not much we can do, if you don't provide some data about your problem and a precise description of it
13:10<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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13:11<unstable>babilen, ok i send my errors
13:11<khades>didin't say any russain posts there
13:12<sney>unstable has a .ru hostmask and his english is a little crappy
13:12<unstable>i am from russia , but my english is very bad
13:12<babilen>*but* :)
13:13<adb>s/ but/ and
13:13<adb>babilen, ^^
13:13<babilen>adb: sure :)
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13:15<unstable>thanx for help , have a nice evening .
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13:15<babilen>unstable: Poko!
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13:17<khades>i am from russia , but my english is very bad
13:17<khades>i am from russia
13:17<khades>i am drunken dwarf
13:18<babilen>khades: please
13:18<khades>babilen: hello
13:18<adb>ot -> khades
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13:20<khades>ot is all what i exist here
13:20<khades>cause when i ever ask a question - only answer is silence
13:20<babilen>khades: nonsense - and please, stop being off topic
13:20<dpkg>The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.
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13:21<khades>not always not means always not when comes to my questions
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13:23<sney>do you have a question today or just whines
13:24<khades>now only whies
13:24<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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13:28<Ox90>so whats the question the khades, i'll do my best to help you.
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13:32<khades>Ox90: i somehow managed to solve all problems i had
13:32<adb>!win khades
13:32<dpkg>Congratulations, khades! You have won the US presidency!
13:33<khades>i am no black
13:34<adb>not yet
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13:35<khades>and never be
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13:36<Ox90>until we beat on you...
13:36<Ox90>lol irc induced violence, love it
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13:37<khades>i will be not black enough then
13:37<Ox90>anyway, is there a known issue with the debian installer and volume group creation?
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13:38<babilen>Ox90: Did you experience such a problem? *I* am not aware of that, but the BTS might have heard about it
13:38<babilen>Ox90: Oh, right - you are trying to get it working ...
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13:38<Ox90>when using parted though the debian installer, i choose guided partitioning setup LVM, parted creates the boot partition fine but when it comes to creating the volume groups it fails with volume group in use
13:39<babilen>Ox90: Let me read the logs ..
13:40<Ox90>i'll have to quicl;y run though it again but last message on screen 4 is, /dev/cciss/c0d0p2 is apparently in use by the system, will not make a filesystem here
13:40<babilen>Ox90: Well, I have no idea what might cause this and you already tried *a lot* of things (IIRC). Have you tried to setup the LVM manually from a live CD and just configure it during the installation?
13:41<Ox90>sure, i've also dropped into a shell from the cd, tried to manually remove the volume groups and then run through the parted setup again, no dice
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13:42<Ox90>though the cd i used was the ubuntu server install disk it formated the partitons as ext4
13:42<babilen>Ox90: No, i mean: Create the complete setup manually (lvcreate, pvcreate, et al)
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13:43<Ox90>i haven't, trying now
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13:43<babilen>Ox90: Which installer are you using?
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13:46<Ox90>to be completley honest im not sure, i think its the offical, i downloaded the iso from
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13:46<babilen>yeah, that's quite official
13:47<babilen>kenshi muto is a developer that provides stable ISOs with recent kernels
13:47<Ox90>when i do a lvdisplay i get 4-5 lines at the top saying file discriptor 3,4,5 left open
13:47<Ox90>then kenshi muto saved me a hell of a hassle rolling my own cd's
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13:49<babilen>Ox90: hei i got to go, I would try the following things: (i) nuke drive and reinstall (ii) try to create the complete setup manually from a decent live cd (grml) (iii) use a newer installer (weekly-build) (iv) dance naked around a fire and chant DEB-IAN
13:49<babilen>nuke == zero/random/overrwrite everything
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13:49<babilen>good luck, bbl
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14:32<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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14:34<amphi>icebrain: pt ? ;)
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14:34<bja>lusterdan: calla
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14:35<bja>lusterdan: en la parte de arria lado izquierdo tienes una línea que pone bja
14:35<bja>pica ahí con el boton del lado izquierdo
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14:36<EmleyMoor>How can I get ufs (44bsd) rw support?
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14:39<amphi>bja: you are busy ;)
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14:39<bja>!beer amphi
14:39*dpkg deftly decants a fine Green Flash IPA for amphi
14:40<bja>eme: calla
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14:40<amphi>bja: gracís ;)
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14:44<marga>What's the easiest way to make the k3b icon turn up in the GNOME Applications menu? (Recenty installed squeeze)
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14:45<marga>Ok, I fixed it by manually checking the box for the k3b icon in the menu editor. I don't understand where this info is located, though.
14:46<Ox90>hmm is a 10GB /boot partition too much?
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14:46<OdyX>marga: k3b ships a /usr/share/applications/kde4/k3b.desktop
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14:47<OdyX>marga: but I don't know much of the gnome menu
14:48<OdyX>probably hidden somewhere in its text database
14:48<marga>OdyX: right, it does. But other KDE apps turn up in the GNOME menu without the user having to manually check the box in the menu editor.
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14:48<marga>It's probably a difference in the .desktop file, but I don't know where to look.
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14:52<ml|>Ox90: 10GB is way way way overkill
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15:05<Lethalman>can anybody please run gdmflexiserver --xnest and tell me whether X is being run as root or not?
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15:06<bja>Lethalman: ps -AF should give you the user X is running under
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15:10<lusterdan>OLA BJA
15:10<bja>lusterdan: calla
15:10<lusterdan>x k?
15:10<lusterdan>k pasa?
15:11<bja>lusterdan: checa lado izquierdo arriba y pica con el boton del ratón
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15:12<lusterdan>en donde pico en *debian?
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15:12<bja>I'll start charging extra hours
15:12<ml|>lusterdan: abla con bja aqui no
15:12<bja>lusterdan: pica ahora en bja por favor
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15:13<lusterdan>y una ves k pique en baja k mas
15:13<bja>pues hablas conmigo
15:14<lusterdan>pero si pincho
15:14<bja>ahora por favor calla
15:14<lusterdan>m sale mas cosas
15:14<bja>pincha con el boton izquierdo
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15:18<ml|>!beer bja
15:18*dpkg pours a quart of Dogfishhead 90min IPA for bja
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16:13<cesurasean>where do i find GOOD help for Windows 7 on IRC? someone please help me.
16:14<cesurasean>does it exist?
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16:16<muzy>cesurasean, is this a joke? is it already April 1st?
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16:16<dkr>!windows 7
16:16<dpkg>This is #Debian, 7, not #bungholes!
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16:16<cesurasean>im being serious.
16:16<dkr>go be serious somewhere else. windows is not on topic here obviously
16:16<cesurasean>does such a concept exist?
16:16<muzy>maybe you should ask somewhere else
16:16<muzy>well linux related questions are ok i guess
16:17<cesurasean>everyone is going to tell me to ask somewhere else, obviously.
16:17<ml|>google anyone?
16:17<cesurasean>what if im running win 7 ontop linux? ;)
16:17<muzy>but windows OS-X and other OS are not supported here I guess
16:17<cesurasean>that's why im asking for the correct channel.
16:17<cesurasean>out of 406, im the only microsoft user?
16:17<muzy>cesurasean, maybe then it is a virtualization issue
16:18<ml|>did search before coming here?
16:18<muzy>so ask
16:18<cesurasean>yes, ive searched for many years.
16:18<cesurasean>curious to know if anyone else has found such a thing.
16:18<babilen>cesurasean: There is #windows
16:18<babilen>on freenode
16:19<cesurasean>babilen, invite only. :(
16:19<cesurasean>maybe ##windows?
16:19<cesurasean>##windows. thx
16:19<babilen>cesurasean: Yeah ##windows - #windows would be against the channel naming conventions
16:19<dkr>cesurasean: many years and youdidn't discover that?
16:19<cesurasean>let's see how smart these guys are now...
16:20<muzy>well if you are convinced it is a linux issue ask
16:20<muzy>just ask
16:20<ml|>yeah a simple search would do instaed of coming here to ask
16:20<cesurasean>never really looked hard enough, but now that microshit wants to charge 50 bucks, i need someone's help. backup and restore utility is crashed.
16:20<cesurasean>i feel after googling, i will probably have to pay microshits some monies to fix it while i watch them on my screen. such a shame, but must be fixed.
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16:22<OdyX>learning the goods of freesoftware can be painful.
16:23<cesurasean>thx for the help guys, sorry to bug you.
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16:26<OdyX>cesurasean: don't repair. Format your HDD and install Debian. Point.
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16:28<babilen>cesurasean: 2 seconds of googling: (don't ever let me do this again) :)
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16:30<ml|>root_: /nick foo
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16:32<amphi>cesurasean: #windows on freenode is no use?
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16:32<ml|>!es-social lusterdan
16:32<dpkg>lusterdan: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:34<babilen>lusterdan: type: "/connect" "/join #ubuntu-es-offtopic"
16:34<ml|>even better
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16:50<sdk>Is there a functional difference between emb_perl and php interpolation of html?
16:51<sdk>Tangential, I know, but figured it wasn't completely out of the park.
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16:55<ml|>voltax: /join #debian-es-cachondeo !!
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17:02<bja>voltax: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
17:02<ml|>voltax: /join #debian-es-cachondeo !!
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17:03<bja>voltax: calla y oye
17:03<sney>es muy dificil IRC!!!
17:03<sney>bja: estoy en tu canal >_>
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17:03<bja>voltax: en la parte izquierda de tu pantalla hay una linea que pone bja pica ahi con el boton izquierdo del raton
17:03<bja>sney: yes
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17:04<jmho>does anyone know when there will be uploads again? I just realized I'm a little bit of an upgrade addict ;)
17:05<babilen>jmho: ries was down and is currently checked - see the debian-devel ML for status
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17:06<babilen>jmho: And I'm sure you will manage without updates tonight :)
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17:11<jmho>babilen: thanks, with your mental support I'll survive tonight :)
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17:14<babilen>!berr jmho
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17:14<babilen>!beer jmho
17:14*dpkg pulls out a fine Spaten Optimator for jmho
17:14<jmho>!beer babilen
17:15*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Delirium Tremens for babilen
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17:19<OdyX>!beer me
17:19*dpkg pulls out an exquisite Delirium Tremens for odyx
17:19<OdyX>!sandwich ?
17:19<dpkg>[sandwich] something you have for lunch to ease hunger
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17:20<dpkg>[sandwich] something you have for lunch to ease hunger
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17:20<OdyX>aargl… I'm hungry. No bloody definition.
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17:20<babilen>OdyX: Well, we had our fun, but please give dpkg a break :)
17:20<dpkg>lay off me you buggerererers!!11!
17:21<OdyX>babilen: oh…he's out of sandwiches already :->
17:21<bja>!boy abuse
17:21<dpkg>RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again!
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17:31<bja>nono: spanish?
17:32<bja>oh sorry, a little jumpy this days
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17:35<gnufan>GNOME-Games "Five or more" - this only runs in fullscreen for me but it is a "closed bug" 409382 fixed in 2.20 yet still at 2.22.... Wondering if I have to delete a ".gnome*" file of some description or if the closure was a mistake. Just run "Five or more" and try and stop it being full screen or try and move the titlebar into the screen (alt-space) and let me know if it is "just me"
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18:41<steve>i am very confused. should i be using apt-get or aptitude on a debian box these days?
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18:41<bja>steve: whatever suits you
18:41<bja>!tel steve why aptitude
18:42<bja>!tell steve about why aptitude
18:42<bja>!tell steve about why not aptitude
18:42<steve>thanks bja
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18:46<steve>im so used to typing apt-get to be honest ;)
18:46<jhr>steve: alias apt-get='aptitude'
18:46<ml|>retrain you fingers :)
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18:47<aguitel>apt-get # aptitude
18:47<jhr>apt-get() { echo "shut up and learn to use aptitude!" }
18:47<jhr>several ways to rome, right? :)
18:47<OdyX>you'd maybe want to try cupt
18:48<jhr>OdyX: I heard rumors about it....
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18:49<GeorgeDorn>!tell GeorgeDorn about why aptitude
18:49<dpkg>Cupt is a partial re-implementation of <APT> suite from scratch using Perl. It consists of Perl modules and a console front-end to them.
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18:49<GeorgeDorn>!tell GeorgeDorn about why not aptitude
18:50<GeorgeDorn>I must admit I use apt-get apt-cache and dpkg extensively too.
18:50<ml|>GeorgeDorn: /msg dpkg selftell
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18:51<GeorgeDorn>Oh sorry.
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19:12<grimnar>So Im having this grub problem
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19:13<bja>grimnar: Want some tea while we chat and you give us the F!"#$%g details?
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19:14<grimnar>Sorry, this is the problem: error the symbol 'grub_env_find' not found
19:14<grimnar>And now I've booted debian testing cd with the disk that fails to boot
19:15<grimnar>And in busybox Im trying to mount /dev/sda1 to fix a new mbr
19:15<ml|>are you sure you need to install to mbr?
19:15<grimnar>But while trying to mount -t ext2/3 /dev/sda1 /target all I get is no such device.
19:16<grimnar>Nope, but Im just following a tip a got here earlier today
19:16<ml|>checked bts?
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19:17<ml|>what release and which grub?
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19:17<grimnar>Debian Squeeze and the latest grub2 (updated yesterday)
19:17<ml|>grimnar: /msg dpkg bts
19:18<ml|>search bts for grub-pc
19:18<grimnar>oh yeah
19:18<ml|>and did this start recently or something you did?
19:18<grimnar>But no solution
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19:19<grimnar>Having my server online for a few weeks now, and updated yesterday, then got this error
19:19<ml|>details for you to get help ;)
19:20<ml|>ok, so update reboot and got this error, right?
19:21<grimnar>well, after I ran apt-get update and installed the grub*update I then ran update-grub\2
19:21<grimnar>Then did not think very much of the output and few hours later I rebooted
19:21<ml|>well there is no need to run it again, but I doubt that is the cause
19:21<grimnar>So Im not sure if it speewed out some errors or not though
19:22<grimnar>Yeah, I was making sure
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19:22<ml|>good idea to read what apt* tells you
19:22<grimnar>(I 've had my hell with grub2 lately and was planning a downgrade)
19:22<ml|>and should use aptitude instead
19:22<grimnar>Yeah, I know
19:22<grimnar>Old habit
19:23<ml|>so you can't boot into that system?
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19:24<grimnar>No sorry, welcome to grub -> Then followed by the error
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19:25<ml|>!dbugs 567582
19:25<dpkg>#567582:G[grub-pc] boot failure: "the symbol 'grub_env_find' not found" (); Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:18:06 UTC [554790 558312 558748 561766 564928 565210 567230 574350]
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19:25<grimnar>Yeah, I read the bug report as well
19:25<ml|>look thru those bug reports for a workaround
19:26<grimnar>But I think in the bug report, they mention raid of some sort
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19:27<grimnar>And/or was to hi-tech for me
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19:27<grimnar>Not yet
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19:27<grimnar>Long story
19:27<Guest315>What can I do to have files stored in the same dir be close together on the disk?
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19:28<ml|>I have restored system booting only by downgrade to version
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19:28<grimnar>Yeah, but how can I do that with a system "offline"?
19:28<amphi>grimnar: you have /boot/grub/normal.mod there?
19:29<grimnar>amphi: ?
19:29<ml|>grimnar: message 24, you need to chroot and install an older version it seems that's what that person did
19:30<grimnar>hold on, Im going to reboot without the debian install cd
19:30<amphi>grub_env_find is in /boot/grub/normal.mod - but according to nm is undefined ;)
19:30<ml|>amphi: nm?
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19:30<grimnar>Yeah, When I try to boot normal.mod I get the error
19:30<amphi>ml|: nm(1)
19:31<amphi>grimnar: despite that, it boots fine here
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19:31<grimnar>ah, nevermind
19:31*amphi wonders if there was a grub update since last boot
19:31<ml|>amphi: ah
19:32<ml|>I did update a week ago and all is fine here
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19:32<grimnar>I did not update for about 14 days
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19:32<grimnar>THen did a full update/upgrade last night, then got the error
19:33<amphi>actually, I have updated grub since I last booted, so no idea whether it works ;)
19:33<grimnar>If that was to me
19:33<ml|>amphi: hehe, good luck
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19:34<amphi>ml|: I hope there isn't a power cut ;)
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19:35<ml|>my last update included new kernel so I had too reboot and all is fine :)
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19:36<ml|>Version: 1.98-1
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19:37<ml|>amphi: cross your fingers and keep them crossed
19:37<svend>How do edit policykit policies under Sid gnome?
19:37<amphi>hmm... I updated the kernel and rebooted for the last time two days before the last grub update ;)
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19:37<grimnar>A few weeks ago I tested how to downgrade to grub1, and was suppose to that for my server as well
19:37<grimnar>Yeah, that did not happen
19:38<grimnar>So what should I do now?
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19:38<grimnar>Im now in grub rescue
19:39<amphi>I no longer have the old grub package in my cache :(
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19:42<ml|>amphi: so you have same version?
19:42<ml|>grimnar: so you changed to grub-legacy in another system?
19:42<amphi>Installed: 1.98-1
19:43<grimnar>I have a usb stick with grub1
19:43<grimnar>But thats Debian amd64
19:43<ml|>and your server is using testing?
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19:43<ml|>amphi: but not yet rebooted right?
19:44<grimnar>I think amphi should try to reboot :D
19:44<amphi>ml|: right
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19:44<amphi>grimnar: ;)
19:45<ml|>grimnar: like I said before try what that person did, read up
19:45<grimnar>Way to hi-tech for me :(
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19:45<ml|>or read all the other bug reports for more ideas
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19:46<ml|>grimnar: ok so not amd64, how about raid user?
19:47<ml|>do you use raid?
19:47<grimnar>My server runs in debian i386 with one sata disk
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19:47<grimnar>wd raptor :p
19:48<ml|>grimnar: then if it's hard for you, why use testing?
19:48<grimnar>Cause its been working just fine for me that last 2-3 years
19:48<grimnar>I can make this a long story
19:49<GeorgeDorn>I may be stupid running unstable on my desktop but why on earth would anyone be running testing on a server?
19:49<sney>maybe they need php 5.3
19:49<ml|>grimnar: well, you should atleast add to that bug report
19:49<sney>or maybe it's a dev server and not that important
19:49<GeorgeDorn>idd. yes. ic.
19:50<grimnar>I havent made a report?
19:50<grimnar>I just read one of them
19:50<ml|>don't know have you?
19:50<grimnar>heh, not that I know :)
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19:50<grimnar>Other that in here
19:51<ml|>well, add to that; the more reports they are the better
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19:51<gord>yeah, please, bug reports help kill bugs for all of us :)
19:52<grimnar>I can try
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19:54<Lillymon>Does anyone know how to relaunch Plasma after it's died? I'm using KDE, Plasma is dead, now I can't do a whole lot without getting it back up.
19:54<grimnar>Yeah, im replying to #567582
19:55<ml|>great read that link, for details on doing it right
19:55<grimnar>yeah, its easy to do it right when you have the know-how
19:56<gord>Lillymon, kstart plasma ? from a quick google, aI ssuming u got no GUI
19:57<Lillymon>"kstart(27785) main: Omitting both --window and --windowclass arguments is not recommended", helpfully there's no man page either so I don't know what these options do.
19:57<Lillymon>It didn't start Plasma either.
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19:58<Lillymon>Does anyone else ever get the urge to hit Aaron Seigo repeatedly over the head with a blunt object?
19:58<ml|>Lillymon: no wrong channel?
19:59<Lillymon>Yeah, I just don't really like how complicated and unstable Plasma seems to be all the time. It's a good idea, but implemented rather badly.
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20:00<Lillymon>I have been trying to understand the relationship between activities and virtual desktops for three years now, to no avail.
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20:00<ml|>Lillymon: use xmonad ;)
20:01<Lillymon>My main problem is that the only way I can recall to log out of KDE is through the K Menu, which is a plasmoid, which means it vanished when Plasma crashed.
20:01<grimnar>ml|: this is the fix: ?
20:01<bja>Lillymon: When you find that solution little padewan you'll become master
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20:02<grimnar>except the raid stuff of course
20:02<Lillymon>I should take another look at Englightenment.
20:02<dr|z3d>Lillymon: Why?
20:02<amphi>I'd wait a decade or two
20:02<dr|z3d>Lillymon: Have you a _first_ look at Xfce?
20:02<Lillymon>I did, I didn't like it. I don't like GTK+.
20:03<dr|z3d>Ah, that seals it then!
20:03<ml|>grimnar: don't think so, look at 24
20:03<Lillymon>I've never liked GTK+, I've always thought of it as ugly and badly designed.
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20:03<grimnar>heh, yeah, but how the hell do I downgrade with a system offline?
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20:04<ml|>grimnar: chroot
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20:05<grimnar>Still dont know
20:05<dr|z3d>grimnar: Downgrade?
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20:06*grimnar is confused
20:06<dr|z3d>If you reinstall Debian without formatting first, your user account(s) data should be kept intact.
20:06<dr|z3d>Ideally you'd have your /home/ on another partition.
20:07<grimnar>I dont care about the users accounts, /etc/exim* /etc/dovecot* /var/www/* thats what counts
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20:07<grimnar>not to mention *.sql
20:08<grimnar>But I have a backup disk that are running right now
20:09<dr|z3d>Ah, good!
20:09<grimnar>But the data on that disk is about 2-3 weeks old
20:09<dr|z3d>I wouldn't want to talk you through totally trashing your system!
20:09<ml|>dr|z3d: he needs to downgrade a package that's all, but system can't boot
20:09<amphi>grimnar: can't you boot it off a cd, chroot to hd / & install grub-legacy ?
20:10<dr|z3d>ml|: Annoying. Hmm.
20:10<ml|>amphi: older grub-pc seems to work, atleast for one person
20:10<grimnar>dr|z3d: and its not package like image-magick, its grub2
20:10<amphi>but who has it?
20:11<dr|z3d>grimnar: supergrubdisk perhaps.. tried that?
20:11<grimnar>Or no, It did not boot so the cd went in the bin
20:12<dr|z3d>So what about chrooting in and installing grub-legacy or grub2 off a cd? Did anyone recommend that?
20:12<grimnar>amphi: I would to, if I knew how to
20:12<grimnar>Eearlier today I was told to do a fixmbr routine of somekind
20:13<grimnar>Tried that, but failed to mount the disk in the busybox shell
20:13<dr|z3d>fixmbr? wtf?
20:13<dr|z3d>that would be fine if you were trying to recover a windows boot.
20:13<grimnar>hold on
20:13<grimnar>(Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever".
20:14<ml|>dr|z3d: I have a few times
20:14<ml|>grimnar: that's from fixmbr factiod someone sent you
20:14<grimnar>but that was the one I was to follow
20:14<ml|>like I said I doubt that will fix your issue
20:14<grimnar>Yeah, sure
20:15<grimnar>But I still dont know the chroot routine
20:15<dpkg>a way to change the root directory of a process, see also
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20:15<dr|z3d>ml|: Oh? Ok, curious.
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20:16<grimnar>But there is now way for me to parallel boot the failed disk and do some kind of hardcoding in normal.mod or grub.cfg?
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20:17<dr|z3d>There is... boot up off a live cd, chroot to your existing install, grimnar.. no way around it, you're going to have to read up!
20:17<gord>chroot kinda "jumps in" to the other system, very handy, it will work
20:17<grimnar>holy shit, that was alot to learn!
20:17<grimnar>yeah sure, but it kinda freaks me out
20:18<gord>one step at a time, tick them off as you go (print to paper) makes u feel better
20:19<ml|>grimnar: can also read these for specific instruction for grub2
20:19<bja>grimnar: there is this finnix live cd, might help you since it is based on debian testing and i believe it has the grub2 weaponry you might need
20:19<ml|>grimnar: ..
20:20<dr|z3d>Good call, bja.
20:20<ml|>grimnar: get the same version as that guy
20:20<ml|>atleast one person had success with that older version
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20:26<grimnar>finnix x86 = i386 (just to be sure)
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20:27<grimnar>gord: Its starts at 9.8.4 correct?
20:27<paveltretyakov>i've installed debian lenny to me netbook with usb, how can i install kde desctop now?
20:27<dr|z3d>paveltretyakov: aptitude install kde4 should work, no?
20:28<ml|>!install kde4
20:28<dpkg>The metapackage "kde-full" installs tons of stuff, "kde-minimal" the basic kde4 desktop. For more details on these metapackages, see As these packages are fairly new still, you will probably do better asking questions in #debian-kde on (
20:28<paveltretyakov>it wants cd drive or internet connection
20:28<dr|z3d>Ok! There you go!
20:28<grimnar>check /etc/apt/sources.list and fill in some sources
20:28<paveltretyakov>but i have extracted cd iso on usb flash
20:28<dr|z3d>paveltretyakov: Got neither?
20:29<grimnar>you probably have one the cd sources now
20:29<grimnar>one = only
20:29<ml|>grimnar: read what I said before so it's easier on you; good luck
20:29<paveltretyakov>i need pppoeconf to set internet connection?
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20:34<gord>grimnar: was that for me? 9.8.4 eh?
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20:34<grimnar>heh, probably not.
20:34<grimnar>I was for ml|
20:34<gord>hehe no probs was on other channel and in ssh was surprised by it, nvm
20:35<grimnar>I was just trying to make sure the manual started at 9.8.4
20:35<gord>ah k ic
20:35<grimnar>Running Finnix 93.0 right now
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20:35<ml|>grimnar: for chroot yes, but read what I said after that
20:36<paveltretyakov>how can i install additional packages for debian, i have no cd drive, only usb flash with files from debian kde iso
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20:40<grimnar>ml|: your last link even has me in it :P
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20:40<bja>paveltretyakov: you either 1 connect your machine to the internet or you install apt-zip on another machine and follow intructions
20:40<dr|z3d>!congratulate grimnar
20:40<dpkg>Yay grimnar, you did it!
20:40<gord>paveltretyakov: if u have debian running, have a look at man sources.list it mentions file option, "uses arbitary directory" it says
20:41<gord>paveltretyakov: not sure if that will help u, never done that myself
20:41<ml|>grimnar: :)
20:41<bja>!tell paveltretyakov about apt-zip
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20:42<ml|>grimnar: you need to read some to fix your problem; again good luck
20:42<gord>apt-zip easier though ;)
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20:45<paveltretyakov>i have only one pc with linux(debian)
20:45<grimnar>I dont doubt that at all. But I really dislike the idea of trying to fix stuff on a disk that is really important. I would rather experiment on my usb stick than this.
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20:47<dr|z3d>grimnar: You backed up your important data, right?
20:47<ml|>grimnar: I understand, but if things are this important to you, maybe use stable
20:48<grimnar>kinda, the important data is in the fauly grub disk, the backup disk contains 2-3 weeks old data
20:48<ml|>yeah backups never hurt
20:48<dr|z3d>Lose the rabbit in the headlights mentality, roll up your sleeves and get right in there! This is Debian!
20:48<ml|>!beer dr|z3d
20:48*dpkg deftly decants a fine Stone Arrogant Bastard for dr|z3d
20:48<dr|z3d>Why thankyou, ml|, my favorite beer as well!
20:49<dr|z3d>Typo there, though..
20:49<dr|z3d>Shouldn't it be "Stoned" ?
20:49*dr|z3d winks.
20:49<gord>paveltretyakov: ok, in the man page for sources.list, it give an example near the bottom, of using the deb file:// line, you'd have to edit the /etc/apt/sources.list file, copy it first in case of a problem
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20:50<gord>paveltretyakov,: and of course you'd have rtomount the usb stick to somewhwrre like /mnt or /media first
20:50<gord>whoops, that's "mount"
20:52<dr|z3d>grimnar: Also, remember, you're in a channel with some of the most knowledgeable support users online..
20:52<grimnar>Yeah, I can see that
20:52<dr|z3d>I exclude myself from that assessment, of course ;)
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20:53<sney>dr|z3d is a pariah, he supports ubuntu
20:53*ml| is also excluded; I know nothing!
20:53*sney shuns dr|z3d
20:53<ml|>sney: nen
20:54<dr|z3d>Lies, sney, lies!
20:54*ml| has seen it ;)
20:54<dr|z3d>That's a question of perception :P
20:54<bja>or interpretation ?
20:55<ml|>not if it's true ;)
20:55*dr|z3d locates his uzi and targets the haters.
20:55*ml| runs
20:55*bja looks for his BFG2000 and hands it to dr|z3d
20:56<dr|z3d>Call that a run, ml|? A wobble at best! :P
20:56<ml|>anyways no hater here, why the wobble :)
20:57<dr|z3d>!beer #debian
20:57*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Pils for #debian
20:57<paveltretyakov>can i mount my original iso?
20:57<bja>i want my share of that even if it is indeed tiny
20:57<dr|z3d>ml|: I just assumed you were a fat lump like the rest of the regulars here.
20:57*dr|z3d winks.
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20:58<bja>dr|z3d: got a new mirror lately?
20:58<bja>paveltretyakov: yes you can mount your original iso
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20:58<dr|z3d>bja: Mirrors are for narcissists! Waste of space :P
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20:59<mvarenaz>yep ahah
20:59<ml|>no if it's a debian mirror ;)
20:59<bja>dr|z3d: As in your case they sometimes reveal the horrendous truth ;P
21:00<dr|z3d>bja: Indeed. Everyone else on the planet is veritably ugly. Best not to be confronted with that truth every day! :)
21:00<ml|>heh, ot anyone :)
21:00<bja>Who was speaking about narcisism?
21:01*dr|z3d smirks.
21:01<mvarenaz>i've a trouble when i try install Debian in VM... after i select the repository the installation stop with " Please Wait"
21:01<paveltretyakov>uff... i use linux only 2 month, and only 25% of this time i used terminal, how to mount usb drive sdb1 vfat? and iso on it?
21:01<mvarenaz>but the repositroy works fine ..
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21:01*grimnar gives up
21:02<grimnar>the chroot manual makes _no_ sense to me
21:02<ml|>mvarenaz: you can ping from inside that vm? mybe a networking setting you need?
21:03<ml|>grimnar: if only you read what I have suggested ;(
21:03<bja>grimnar: don't dispare, chroot takes a little to understand and digest the information
21:03<mvarenaz>yep, i don't 've problem to ping in VM ..
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21:03<ml|>mvarenaz: tried different mirror then?
21:04<grimnar>ml|: you suggested at lot, a forum link which listed several other links. So it gets me confused
21:04<mvarenaz> i already try all mirrors ..
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21:04<ml|>grimnar: read those links they will help
21:05<ml|>mvarenaz: what install cd is this?
21:05<bja>mvarenaz: can you wget anything from the vm?
21:05<gord>grimnar: simplified, - you mount the essentials, then just "jump in" and you are "inside" your old system (sort of). things run "inside there", it's "there" that you fix them, it's a concept thing that's the barrier sometimes
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21:06<ml|>bja: he says he can ping out
21:06<grimnar> ?
21:06<bja>ml|: pinging is icmp wget is http
21:07<mvarenaz>i already try the installation with 3 cd's ... and no one works right ... when i take the course with them they had a internal reposotory on lan ..
21:07<mvarenaz>i don't know what happen
21:07<bja>ml|: wget is tcp i meant
21:08<ml|>bja: so you mean it can be a dns issue or something like that?
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21:08<gord>sorry, banged out of server a few mins ago, is he in a VM with host-only or somethin? or maybe a default gw problem?
21:08<bja>i mean it can be firewall or some other stuff
21:08<ml|>mvarenaz: but what cd's did you try?
21:08<bja>dns is usually tested with icmp
21:08<bja>i mean pinging a url
21:09<mvarenaz>Debian Etch 4
21:09<ml|>mvarenaz: that's very old
21:09<ml|>install lenny
21:09<gord>maybe links arent there the same?
21:09<gord>maybe moved to /archive/ or somethin u see
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21:09<ml|>bja: yes, just wondering your reason why is all
21:10<mvarenaz>oh ... but should be works .. the repository works fine ..
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21:11<icebrain>mvarenaz: but why are you installing 4 anyway? just get lenny's netinst CD
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21:11<amphi>grimnar: more like: boot from cd; mkdir mnt (not in /) but in say /root; bind mount /dev (and /proc & /sys for good measure) to their respective directories in mnt (eg. mount --bind /sys mnt/sys); chroot mnt; and do whatever it is you're doing to grub
21:11<gord>yep indeed
21:12<mvarenaz>i'll get this one
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21:12<grimnar>I booted finnix, then -> mkdir /mnt/raptor -> mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 -> chroot /mnt/raptor :D
21:12<paveltretyakov>i've written 'su root mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usb' and got 'cannot execute binary file
21:12<ml|>grimnar: it's all there read :)
21:12<bja>Talking about the devil, i have a laptop at home which uses the intel wireless, where is the firmwares supposed to be located for it to start up?
21:13<amphi>grimnar: oh, ok - I thought you hadn't got so far
21:13<grimnar>ml|: Well, I think I have it done
21:13<ml|>grimnar: great :)
21:13<icebrain>!tell mvarenaz about install guide
21:13<grimnar>I hope so, anyways
21:13<grimnar>so, now
21:13<grimnar>How to downgrade :D
21:14<amphi>grimnar: you could just try installing grub-legacy perhaps
21:14<ml|>paveltretyakov: su - ... or just su ... no su root ...
21:14<paveltretyakov>thnx, i used sudo in ubuntu:)
21:14<ml|>paveltretyakov: but you can just su - then do what you beed
21:14<bja>ml|: it also works that way
21:15<ml|>bja: you sure with su root?
21:15<bja>Invoked without a username, su defaults to becoming the superuser.
21:15<ml|>hmm, ok still no need tho
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21:16<locklace>!tell bja about iwlwifi
21:16<dominique>wats the difference between port forwarding and tcp/udpforwarding to a port...
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21:17<bja>locklace: thx, its on a machine running etch and it is suppose to have everything running, but it seems i putted the firmware on the wrong place
21:17<ml|>bja: lenny!
21:17<locklace>bja: /lib/firmware is the usual place, but it's a kernel thing
21:18<bja>ml|: no that one is running etch still
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21:18<ml|>yes, just saying install lenny, etch has no more support
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21:18<mvarenaz>ok we can talk here ice... thanks dude
21:18<dominique>wats the difference between port forwarding and tcp/udpforwarding to a port...temme how to tcp/udp forwardin plzplz
21:19<dpkg>from memory, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it If you say 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I'll say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'.
21:19<bja>ml|: what do you think i want the wireless driver for? Frying some pancakes?
21:19<dr|z3d>dominique: Port forward is portforwarding.
21:19<dr|z3d>It's protocol neutral, usually.
21:19<bja>dominique: man socat
21:19<ml|>bja: possibly
21:19<locklace>!pie dr|z3d
21:19*dpkg hits dr|z3d in the face with a cream pie
21:20<dr|z3d>Well, it can be.
21:20<bja>!lart ml|
21:20*dpkg drops a truckload of VAXen on ml|
21:20<paveltretyakov>woohoo THANKS for all)
21:20<dominique>ya i have port frwarded..firewall done ...but wats tcp/udp forwardin
21:20<paveltretyakov>kde installing
21:21<ml|>paveltretyakov: what finally worked?
21:21<bja>!win paveltretyakov
21:21<dpkg>Congratulations, paveltretyakov! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
21:21<dr|z3d>dominique: Same thing, really.
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21:21<dr|z3d>It's port forwading using a specific protocol.
21:21<bja>dominique: long story short same acgtion different program
21:21<paveltretyakov>i mounted usb, then iso and run aptitude kde install
21:22<gord>there are more protocols than just TCP and UDP, but if you're asking about it, maybe best not to worry too much about the strange ones
21:22<ml|>paveltretyakov: install kde* you mean
21:22<dominique>but in firewall i din do ne port number for external it ok
21:23<bja>dominique: rephrase please, i got lost
21:23<dr|z3d>dominique: What are you trying to do, exactly?
21:23<paveltretyakov>can i install kde minimal?
21:23<dr|z3d>And where have you got so far?
21:23<ml|>that lasy sentence was cryptic
21:24<locklace>paveltretyakov: "minimal kde" is like "big mac lite"
21:24*bja bows to dr|z3d understanding of english
21:24<ml|>paveltretyakov: you already installed kde tho
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21:24<dr|z3d>paveltretyakov: kde-minimal is a _subset_ of kde.
21:25<cwood>Question. Any like xmove/xscreen in Debian? I can't figure out which package.
21:25*dr|z3d bows to bja's infinitely superior awareness of Spanish.
21:25<dominique>ok ...exactly....i have hlds server runin from my debby....the prob is that wan server is online it cannot b seen by ne1...i suppose the server is not online coz it az usin internal ip
21:25<amphi>dominique: FWIW, teh gibs0n can tell whether your port is reachable;$PORTNUM where $PORTNUM is the port you want to check
21:25<grimnar>amphi: Yeah, but I need to get on the internet, but I can only get a reach inside the lan
21:26<grimnar>even resolv.conf has nameservers and ip
21:26<dominique>grimnar : mine is a similar prob as urs
21:26<grimnar>eth0 has ip, but I cannon reach outside
21:27<gord>grimnar: have you set a defsault gateway inside the chroot? route -n
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21:27<grimnar>that is like 10 years ago the last time I did
21:28<gord>yikes afk UPS alert here
21:29<grimnar>route add default ip?
21:29<amphi>route add default gw ip
21:29<grimnar>I think I did a route add default gw..
21:31<grimnar>amphi: you think I can follow my own notes here? to downgrade?
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21:31<grimnar>(just making sure again)
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21:32<amphi>grimnar: you have grub-pc 1.98-1 installed now, right?
21:32<ml|>grimnar: so you are going to install grub-legacy now?
21:33<grimnar>ml|: amphi said I should
21:33<grimnar>But Im not sure
21:33<amphi>grimnar: is the 1.98~20100115-1 package still in /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
21:33<ml|>just asking
21:33<ml|>that's the version you need^
21:33<amphi>grimnar: if it is, you could just reinstall that with dpkg
21:34<ml|>amphi: shouldn't he purge old first?
21:34<grimnar>nothing in the archives
21:35*adb purge ml|
21:35<gord>i just read that link, i didnt realise grub2 was so scary, maybe i better read up on it a bit 8-{
21:35<grimnar>partial is empty
21:35<ml|>adb: heh, why?
21:35<grimnar>my link?
21:35<dr|z3d>gord: Scarier than a date with your mom! (tm)
21:35*dr|z3d winks.
21:36<grimnar>Yeah, I had some encounters with grub2 this year
21:36*ml| has not had issues with grub2 thankfully :)
21:36<gord>i just never reboot haha
21:36<dr|z3d>It's only really scary when it chews up your system. Otherwise it's fine.
21:36<gord>hence more UPSs than i can wire in properluy
21:37<ml|>gord: lenny I take it?
21:37<gord>mlj: yeah
21:37<gord>safsound haa
21:37<gord>safe and..
21:38<gord>although the family etc run that buntu stuff, so that's their problem :)
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21:38<ml|>I don't use lenny, but don't you need to reboot when kernel gets security fixes?
21:39<amphi>grimnar: trying grub-lagacy can't make things much worse than they are...
21:39<cwood>I thought a reboot was always useful whenever you updated the kernel.
21:39<gord>hmm, second thoughts, my problem eventually, they all come to me | nah if local eploit/vulniust lock
21:39<amphi>FLW though
21:39<dpkg>< zontak2> stable systems suck, nothing exciting
21:39<gord>*i UST LOCK
21:40<grimnar>So there is no way to downgrade in a easier way to a earlier version then grub1?
21:40<ml|>cwood: yes, you need to to use the new kernel
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21:40<gord>gah! new wireless keyboard in bd, sorry
21:40<amphi>grimnar: not unless you get hold of the 1.98~20100115-1 deb from somewhere
21:40<cwood>I'm downgrading my work laptop right now. It was using Unstable, and I switched sources to Squeeze. Whenever that becomes stable I will have downloaded from Unstable to Stable. ;)
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21:40<grimnar>there is no way to downgrade to a earlier verison using aptitude
21:40<amphi>grimnar: I'd like one too, if you do come across any ;)
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21:41<grimnar>heh, let me see in the backup disk that Im running now!
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21:41<ml|>cwood: doubt that will work, downgrading is not supported; tho some do it and it's a pain
21:42<amphi>grimnar: foiled again?
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21:42<ml|>amphi: you are invested now :)
21:42<cwood>ml|: So far, so good.
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21:43<ml|>cwood: good luck
21:43<cwood>Realistically I'm not downgrading, I'm just switching my sources and seeing where updates take me.
21:43<amphi>ml|: not at all - I'll never reboot again!
21:43<ml|>amphi: haha :)
21:44<amphi>this laptop has no optical drive, for extra fun
21:44<ml|>amphi: you can always wait for an update :)
21:44<gord>wow opticals, remember them?
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21:44<amphi>ml|: right - and grimnar can test it \o/
21:44<ml|>amphi: no, he can't boot :)
21:45<amphi>grimnar: no deb on your backup?
21:45<grimnar>not any usefull
21:46<amphi>I don't know of any reason why grub-legacy shouldn't work fine; what kernel do you have there? 32-3 ?
21:46<ml|>if only was working
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21:47<grimnar>amphi: yeah
21:47<ml|>maybe ask here someone might have that version?
21:47<amphi>grimnar: I'd give it a try in that case
21:48<amphi>grimnar: if that doesn't work, there's lilo...
21:48<grimnar>why no install lilo right away?
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21:48<grimnar>Im just about had it with grub* for while now
21:49<gord>hey if it boots it boots, try a BSD loader lol
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21:49<grimnar>Yeah, but why not?
21:49<grimnar>Lilo works like clockwork?
21:49<gord>how old is the package you're looking for? i clean my local mirror often though :(
21:50*amphi hasn't use lilo for long
21:51<ml|>gord: grub-pc 1.98~20100115-1
21:51<gord>is there still lilo restriction on boot part being low-down on disk?
21:51<gord>k gimme 5 minds then i find on theserver the disks offline right now
21:51<adb>amphi, even on 2.6.33-2-686 grub-legacy work fine
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21:52<amphi>adb: thanks - reassure grimnar ;)
21:52<adb>grimnar, ^^
21:52<grimnar>I did a downgrade session on my debian usb stick, but this is kinda more important
21:52<ml|>I think new stable will use grub2 anyways
21:53<amphi>this is just a hiccough ;)
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21:54<icebrain>can I serve one directory with both Samba and NFS, with rw permissions?
21:54<grimnar>Why the need of grub2? splash images?
21:54<icebrain>or should I stick with only Samba?
21:54<dr|z3d>grimnar: Make things prettier.
21:54<dr|z3d>grimnar: Totally unneeded.
21:54<amphi>grimnar: hi res menu ;)
21:54<grimnar>precise my point
21:55*ml| loves new hires menu :)
21:55<grimnar>grub2 should be unstable for the rest of its life.
21:55<amphi>!comfort grimnar
21:55<dpkg>There, there, grimnar. It's OK. I'm here for you.
21:55<ml|>grimnar: that's abit harsh
21:55<grimnar>no its not
21:56<ml|>grub2 has worked fine for me for months :)
21:56<OdyX>grub2 is just grub + upstream guys. grub is not maintainable without a proper upstream. The tiny upstream grub had is now the only upstream of grub2
21:56<ml|>pretty much since it was in testing
21:56<OdyX>and grub has basically no upstream
21:57<gord>back: sorry, nojoy, not on my mirror........
21:57<amphi>judging by the files in /boot/grub, and the options available in the shell, grub2 is quite a different beast
21:57<ml|>amphi: grimnar that package you are looking was added to testing in Jan
21:57<gord>if u can find someone with it in their cache i be ok
21:58<grimnar>yeah, I will put up an ad in the paper tomorrow
21:58<gord>hope it's still got serial console support, thats all i wish for
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21:58<gord>don't laugh u may have to :)
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22:00<grimnar>but there is now way to install the stable version of grub2 either?
22:00<grimnar>apt-pinning or what the mordern people are calling it! :D
22:00<amphi>stable is grub-legacy, I would say
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22:03<adb>gord, try #grub on freenode
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22:03<amphi>ml|: deb attached? ;)
22:03<ml|>judd versions grub-pc
22:03<judd>grub-pc -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.98-1; squeeze: 1.98-1
22:03<ml|>but old ^
22:04<ml|>amphi: no just a fun read ;)
22:04<grimnar>ah, great to see Im not the only one!
22:04<amphi>ml|: heh
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22:05<ml|>grimnar: no remember the bts stuff ;)
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22:06<grimnar>yeah, but Brian was "harsh" like me
22:06<gord>adb: its grimnar that's looking for it, i was\ just searching my local apt-mirror for the deb he needs to downgrade, it's not in his cache
22:06<ml|>gord: thanks btw
22:06<gord>np, worth a try
22:07<adb>gord, though youy asked about serial
22:07<gord>addb : oh i see
22:07<gord>yes i'm on lenny, i have a conserver in the rackroom :)
22:07<grimnar> "The more they over-tink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop
22:07<grimnar> up the drain."
22:08<gord>the mention of high-res bootscreens made me think:, hmmm
22:09<dr|z3d>gord: Try plymouth, perhaps, if you haven't already.
22:10<OdyX>oh… you guys are looking for old debs ?
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22:10<ml|>OdyX: grimnar and amphi are
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22:10<ml|>grub-pc 1.98~20100115-1
22:11<gord>dr|z3d: isnt that what buntu uses now?
22:11<dr|z3d>gord: And Redhat.
22:11<gord>dr|z3d: wow i so out of touch
22:11<OdyX>tried ?
22:12*bja greets OdyX
22:12<dr|z3d>Redhat lead, Ubuntu vaccilated for a while, and then followed.
22:12<OdyX>ml|, grimnar, amphi : make your choice
22:12*icebrain likes watching the log
22:14<ml|>OdyX: thanks, thought that was not working any more; since there will be a new site
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22:14<amphi>OdyX: thanks
22:14<grimnar>Thanks OdyX
22:14<grimnar>ml|: yeah, but which one?
22:15<amphi>grimnar: you need grub2, -common, & -pc I think
22:16<grimnar>yeah, the "I think" part makes me assured :P
22:16<ml|>it's all on that page I pasted
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22:16<grimnar>ml|: yeah, I see that, but I get confused with it all
22:16<amphi>grimnar: get 'em all then ;)
22:16<grimnar>grub2_hurd.deb? what?
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22:17<gord>for grub2 + serial console, I just found " GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="console=tty0 console=ttyS0,9600n8 " which makes me happier, >> little_things_not_to_lose_file
22:17<ml|>you don't need that
22:17<amphi>grimnar: dpkg -l grub\* | grep \^ii
22:17<gord>jst for your arch, that's -pc i presume
22:17<gord>hurd is "something else" lol
22:18<grimnar>yeah, I meant it was confusing me
22:18<grimnar>amphi is confusing me even more! :D
22:18<grimnar>ah, nevermin
22:18<amphi>grimnar: that shows what grub packages you have now
22:19<grimnar>I saw a dpkg -i
22:19<amphi>so you can select the replacements with assurance ;)
22:19<gord>so get roughly the same
22:19<grimnar>I need to change my keyboard layout as well
22:20<ml|>grimnar: relax you will soon fix grub2 :)
22:20<gord>now that IS scary
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22:20<grimnar>I dont even know how to do that
22:20<gord>its one of your beloved dpkg-reconfigure --break-stuff :)
22:21<gord>nah u be ok
22:21<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
22:21<ml|>grimnar: one thing at a time, grub2 now
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22:22<gord>hey if ou had a kbd like this in bed ud be typin like this too
22:22<grimnar>No, I have to fix my keyboard
22:22<grimnar>Or else I'll be spending my night looking for the /
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22:22<amphi>grimnar: loadkeys /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz
22:23<grimnar>im running dpkg-reconfigure console-data
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22:23<amphi>grimnar: assuming you're not in X
22:23<grimnar>no, console in finnix chrooted my /dev/sda1
22:23<amphi>grimnar: that command would loads your debian keymap
22:23<grimnar>Fixed now
22:23<ml|>grimnar: next time try/use grml :)
22:24<grimnar>no, where was I
22:24<amphi>about to install the hurd...
22:25<grimnar>god damn, I cant find the other / (hahaah)
22:26<gord>are there two?
22:26*grimnar smiles to the screenshot
22:26<gord>oh the one by the meta key
22:27<grimnar>heh, Im going to ssh then paste the correct /
22:27<grimnar>yeah, request failed of course!
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22:30<grimnar>I really dont have that key!
22:30<ml|>what keyboard you use?
22:30<grimnar>apple alu
22:30<grimnar>good luck :D
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22:31<gord>it on your missing mouse button, probably
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22:31<ml|>that should work fine
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22:31<ml|>!win grimnar
22:31<dpkg>Congratulations, grimnar! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!!
22:33<grimnar>"No packages found matching grub.d.
22:33<grimnar>end "
22:33<grimnar>That took me almost 30 minutes to type
22:33<gord>was \ above your return key?
22:33<ml|>grimnar: what are you doing?
22:33<grimnar>member:dpkg -l grub\* | grep \^ii
22:34<amphi>grimnar: single quotes would have done as well
22:34<grimnar>gord: perhaps!
22:34<gord>yeah i just googled for a pic of it
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22:35<grimnar>yeah, but the command gave me nothing
22:35<ml|>< amphi> grimnar: single quotes would have done as well
22:36<grimnar>This is going forward with the speed of light
22:36<gord>old trick - run finger along each row , unshiftedm shifted, alt-shifted, etc etc until u see it
22:36<amphi>you now have no grub packages installed?
22:36<grimnar>I did that
22:36<grimnar>Sure I do, but not according to the command
22:36<grimnar>dpkg -l | grep grub* gives me something
22:36<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep grub* gives me something
22:37<amphi>grimnar: any lines beginning with 'ii' ?
22:37<gord>maybe was purged
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22:37<ml|>btw is /boot/ in your chroot?
22:38<grimnar>ii grub 0.97 -59 (dummy package) ii grub-common 1.98-1 (common files) grub-pc 1.98-1 (PC/BIOS version)
22:39<grimnar>(and of course, the splasimages package)
22:39<adb>,versions grub
22:39<judd>grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-59; squeeze: 0.97-59
22:40<amphi>grimnar: same here
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22:40<grimnar>yeah, try a reboot then
22:40<ml|>yup that's recent version
22:41<amphi>grimnar: heh, no chance
22:41<ml|>are you not going to purge those and install the older packages
22:41<grimnar>Look at it like an adventure
22:41<grimnar>Im not set for anything
22:42<grimnar>What ever is going to work with the least hassle
22:42<grimnar>Its like 03:42 in the morning here
22:42<gord>that dpkg was just to list what u had installled, so u could get the appropriate downgrade versions from the snapshot site? yes? i think, but u had 30 mins of keyboard hassle in between
22:42<grimnar>And I have a terribe tooth ache
22:43<gord>so u need , err, the grubcommon and grub-pc debs
22:43<grimnar>and all I really had to do was dpkg -l | grep grub
22:44<gord>and not the hurd one ;)
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22:45<grimnar>Its funny, they call some of the grub packages for experimental
22:45<ml|>are you not going to purge those and install the older packages?
22:45<grimnar>I would like to purge the one I have now
22:45<ml|>grimnar: maybe get sleep and finish later?
22:45<grimnar>But I cannot tell which one I need to install after that
22:46<grimnar>no, its okay
22:46<gord>yeah thats the idea, but sleeps got him cli-happy i think
22:46<ml|>grimnar: the ones we told you earlier
22:46<amphi>grimnar: -common and then -pc
22:46<grimnar>this one: experimental.20091216-1
22:47<grimnar>ml|: : you are linkin to a dir?
22:47<grimnar>yes you are
22:47<ml|>look at the page it's all there
22:47<grimnar>like this one :
22:48<grimnar>and this one :
22:48<grimnar>thats common and pc
22:48<gord>its that hurd again...
22:49<gord>ach, my eyes
22:49<grimnar>Yeah, IM going to type that in the terminal
22:49<ml|>hyrd coming back some how?
22:51<ml|>wget ... purge old and dpkg -i ...
22:51<gord>wget them down locally ith cut/paste, then scp them across to the chroot without all the url crap in front
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22:51<gord>nice one
22:51<grimnar>ah, im at tinyurl as weel
22:51<ml|>!beer amphi
22:51*dpkg deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for amphi
22:52<amphi>grimnar: oh, ok - the one I posted was -common
22:52*ml| prefers
22:52<dr|z3d> is a potential security risk.
22:52<grimnar>amphi: I trusted to over me, so I downloaded that one now
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22:53<ml|>dr|z3d: I think that's another
22:53<grimnar>grr, I trusted you* over me
22:53<dr|z3d> records hits to your url and makes that data publicly visible.. good? you decide.
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22:55<grimnar>Is about to purge
22:55<grimnar>apt or aptitude?
22:56<dpkg>aptitude is probably a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see
22:56<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
22:56<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
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22:58<grimnar>which one should I dpkg -i first?
22:58<grimnar>common or pc?
22:58<grimnar>note, I ran aptitude purge grub
22:59<grimnar>I just purged grub2, and Im going to reinstall grub packages from snapshot
23:00*grimnar has never installed stuff with dpkg -i
23:00<amphi>-pc depends on -common
23:01<grimnar> everything installed
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23:02<grimnar>ready for reboot, or should I run some grub specific commands since this is chroot?
23:02<dr|z3d>aptitude install htop
23:02<gord>need to configure/setup/grub-install etc next then?
23:02<dr|z3d>grab that grimnar.. useful.
23:03<grimnar>I have it
23:03<dr|z3d>Ah, good stuff!
23:03<grimnar>Not showing a lot at this moment
23:03<grimnar>Tasks 0
23:03<grimnar>0 running
23:03<dr|z3d>Well, give your box a reboot.
23:03<amphi>you didn't bind mount /proc
23:04<dr|z3d>Not much more doing before you do.
23:04<ml|>grimnar: good luck
23:04<dr|z3d>Need he do that before reboot, amphi?
23:04<amphi>do what?
23:04<grimnar>heh, well
23:04<grimnar>what do I know
23:04<dr|z3d>bind mount/proc.. or you're talking about htop's output?
23:04<amphi>mount /proc ? no
23:05<amphi>dr|z3d: right
23:05*dr|z3d reboots brain.
23:05<ml|>grimnar: reboot and good luck
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23:05<grimnar>all I did was mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /mnt/raptor && chroot /mnt/raptor
23:05<grimnar>yeah, going to try now
23:05<dr|z3d>grimnar: Still here? Off you go!
23:05<ml|>grimnar: wait
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23:05<dr|z3d>See you after the break!
23:05<grimnar>to lait
23:06<ml|>run dpkg -l again
23:06<ml|>oh well
23:06<grimnar>dr|z3d: typing from my mac, so Im still here
23:06<grimnar>ml|: ?
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23:07<ml|>grimnar: never mind me
23:07<grimnar>ml|: ii grub-common 1.98*29199115.1
23:07<grimnar>same version for grub-pc
23:07<ml|>heh, look at that
23:07<amphi>so it booted?
23:07<ml|>year 29...?
23:09<gord>yeah 2029, target date for grub2 stable
23:09<monoglets>what is the name of the package that I can install, that helps me to know the dependencies necessary to compile a program?
23:09<grimnar>holy smokes
23:09<grimnar>IT WORKS!
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23:09<ml|>!congratulate grimnar
23:09<dpkg>Woohoo grimnar, you did it!
23:09<amphi>o ye of little faith
23:09<grimnar>amphi: your turn
23:10<grimnar>drinks on me
23:10<grimnar>but you have to visit me here
23:10<amphi>but lilo might be better...
23:10<ml|>grimnar: Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges <--- have those installed?
23:10<grimnar>yeah, I saw that
23:10<dr|z3d>He has more now. Faith in our collective wisdom. :)
23:10<gord>now, imagine that on the phone to support :P 30 mins of looking for a key :)
23:10<grimnar>no, I noticed it in some of the reports
23:11<ml|>dr|z3d: :)
23:11<grimnar>Next up, Im going to bother you with some raid stuff
23:11<ml|>grimnar: install those, use aptitude and read before saying yes to uprades
23:12<amphi>grimnar: you might want to put a hold on grub, so your good work is not undone by aptitude ;)
23:12<monoglets>what is the name of the package that I can install, that helps me to know the dependencies necessary to compile a program?
23:12<ml|>grimnar: like today I was going to; but got two critial bugs in tow different apps, read bug reports and decided not to upgrade them
23:13<ml|>grimnar: did you write all this down incase you need to redo it again? ;)
23:14<ml|>adb: yes seen that and?
23:14<grimnar>I have quicktime recording the session
23:14<grimnar>atleast 30 min of the recording is going to the bin :D
23:15<ml|>anyways glad it's all working for you
23:15<grimnar>yeah, me too
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23:15<grimnar>Thanks guys
23:15<ml|>good night
23:15<grimnar>leaving already?
23:15<grimnar>Im going to shut down the main server and install the main disk now
23:16<ml|>no you are, isn't it 0400 there?
23:16<grimnar>Its better to do it now, when the people who checks their mail and stuff, are a sleep?
23:16<grimnar>Or should I wait til they get up?
23:17<ml|>if others need it do it now I guess
23:17<grimnar>Well, they get what they pay for
23:17<ml|>hasn't it being down for a few days anyways?
23:17<grimnar>So Im not that concerned
23:17<grimnar>Im running with the backup disk
23:18<ml|>or on backup>
23:18<grimnar>But thats old data
23:18<monoglets>what is the name of the package that I can install, that helps me to know the dependencies necessary to compile a program?
23:18<ml|>well you can wait then, if it's all ok
23:18<grimnar>No I told the imap guys not to open their mail programs before I got this fixed
23:18<grimnar>So I think they expect to check the mail pretty soon
23:19<dr|z3d>monoglets: You should have the necessary tools installed already.
23:19<ml|>fix it
23:19<grimnar>Hold on, im going to shut it down
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23:20<dr|z3d>monoglets: synaptic will give you that data, but there are apt-based tools that should do the same.
23:20<monoglets><dr|z3d> no, im not have..
23:21<ml|>dr|z3d: I think he wants to compile, not using apt*
23:21<dr|z3d>monoglets: aptitude install apt-rdpends
23:21<dr|z3d>ml|: That package shows dependencies..
23:22<ml|>for sefl compiled stuff?
23:22<monoglets><dr|z3d> I once wore a package that read the output of. / configure and already installed the necessary dependencies .. but I forgot his name
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23:23<dr|z3d>ml|: Pass. Suck it and see :)
23:23<dr|z3d>monoglets: try apt-rdepends and see if that helps.
23:23<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
23:23<ml|>dr|z3d: what?
23:24<dr|z3d>ml|: It means, take it for a spin, see if it works for you. :)
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23:24<dr|z3d>aka "suck it and see" :)
23:24<amphi>adb: heh, I'd forgotten debian weather
23:25<ml|>dr|z3d: ok, just asking, wonder how that works with random tarballs
23:25<dr|z3d>ml|: We never determined exactly what monglets wants to compile..
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23:25<gord>it always seems to be pouring down in buntu-land
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23:25<ml|>weather says all is fine in testing for not for all it seems, ask grimnar ;)
23:26<dr|z3d>ml|: You might be right, but until we get more data, we can't know for sure :)
23:27<monoglets><dr|z3d> this package is good .. but I'm talking about one that you typed the command [ ps: 'comand' ./configure ] and then it already installed all the dependencies ...
23:27<grimnar>I forgot to add my raid card
23:27<dr|z3d>monoglets: I don't know what that might be.. someone else might..
23:27<grimnar>well, no raid question tonight then
23:28<ml|>grimnar: good night :)
23:28<gord>monoglets: maybe try asking in a developer channel
23:28<grimnar>I need to cool down
23:28<monoglets><dr|z3d> tanks
23:29<dr|z3d>monoglets: ty dr and then hit tab until you see my name.
23:29<ml|>monoglets: you can use tab-completion to make things easier on you or is that how you irc client completes nicks?
23:29<dr|z3d>You're obviously not aware of tab complete :)
23:30<ml|>dr|z3d: heh, thinking a like :)
23:30*dr|z3d chuckles.
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23:32<grimnar>wonders when I will make it to
23:33<amphi>"submit a kludge!" heh
23:34<adb>monoglets, feedback about that package are welcome
23:35<grimnar>who is going to tell me if there is bugs in apt-listbugs?
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23:36<ml|>apt-listbugs of course
23:36<gord>but yu have to run it with the -R option
23:36<dr|z3d>We've been here too long, ml|!
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23:37*dr|z3d covertly drops an "alike" into ml|'s lap.
23:37<sney>kludge maker, first class
23:38*dr|z3d pours himself another Zubr.
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23:38<ml|>!beer dr|z3d
23:38*dpkg pulls out a nicely refined Yuengling Lager for dr|z3d
23:38<grimnar>anyways, thanks again and good night!
23:39<grimnar>I'll be back, thats for sure
23:39<ml|>good night
23:39<amphi>'night grimnar
23:39<dr|z3d>I can only drink 1 beer at a time, ml| :P
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23:39<dr|z3d>Fortunately this one's real :)
23:39<ml|>dr|z3d: that's a shame ;(
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23:40<dr|z3d>A shame? No, it's call self preservation ml|!
23:40<ml|>what are we preserving?
23:41<dr|z3d>Sanity, mostly. :)
23:41<dr|z3d>And liver.
23:41<ml|>hehe :)
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23:44<monoglets>adb, ml| : ok
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