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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-03-27

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01:41<Web-sidux448--Dave>for anyone that would like to hear a radio ad promoting linux, give a listen to http://www.heliosinterview.net/linuxfinal.mp3
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01:42<dr|z3d>Web-sidux448--Dave: What are you telling us in that podcast?
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01:43<dr|z3d>I mean, I like Linux, but I'm not about to go out and look for open source pizza!
01:43<Web-sidux448--Dave>I'm not preaching to the converted, I stumbled across it, and thought it was good. Just sharing it
01:43<dr|z3d>I'll give it a listen!
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01:44<dr|z3d>938K? A touch small, perhaps.
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01:44<Web-sidux448--Dave>It's only about a 30 second radio ad
01:46<Web-sidux448--Dave>I'm writing an article promoting linux, and now that I've found the link again, I may put it in the article
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01:47<dr|z3d>It's good for newbs, possibly. Encouraging to hear it's getting airtime, anyways. And the ad has good production values. :)
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01:49<Web-sidux448--Dave>I think its a year old or more. I think they mention Austin, TX. It didn't generate a lot of business for them, as I recall, but linux could grow with more marketing
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01:50<dr|z3d>Word of mouth is the best marketing, and Linux isn't faring so badly there :)
01:51<Web-sidux448--Dave>I agree. My son works in Redmond for the big guy, but I like linux a whole lot better. I I actively promote it
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01:53<Web-sidux448--Dave>I hear my pillow calling me.
01:58<dr|z3d>Web-sidux448--Dave: Two words, re your son.. trojan horse!
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02:01<Web-sidux448--Dave>lol, drjz3d
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02:03<dr|z3d>Shame you can't threaten him with pocket money revocation.. he's more like to pull that stunt on you...
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02:11<hardbop200>hi all - I'm looking for a super-small, super-cheap computer that can run debian. (more)
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02:11<hardbop200>I've seen some arm-based 7" netbooks on ebay...but I really don't want a trackpad (no x, terminal only)
02:11<hardbop200>any suggestions?
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02:12<hardbop200>the sheeva plug looks nice, but no keyboard input or display of any kind
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02:14<MeglaW_>get one with a pin and remove it
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02:15<MeglaW_>hardbop200: if you dont need flashy shells like laptops have go for a beagleboard kind of device
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02:16<MeglaW_>on those you have a complet computer, keyboard input
02:16<MeglaW_>video, sound etc.
02:16<MeglaW_>complete
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02:17<hardbop200>fully supported by debian I assume? yea, the beagle looks nice, but all they ever mention is armstrong linux
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02:18<hardbop200>MeglaW_: I googled, and apparently the beagle is supported by debian.
02:18<MeglaW_>yes
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02:22<dr|z3d>judd: versions beagle
02:22<judd>beagle -- etch: 0.2.12-1+b1; lenny: 0.3.8-1; sid: 0.3.9-3
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03:06<Ibhere>hi
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03:42<valdyn>hardwalker: have you seen the openrd?
03:43<valdyn>ops, wrong target
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04:14<jspiros>I just installed the gnome-desktop task on a fresh squeeze box
04:14<jspiros>and I'm wondering, how do I get the authentication panels that appear in gnome to accept the user's password, rather than a root password, for users in sudoers?
04:14<jspiros>when I installed squeeze, it asked me if I wanted to disable root login, and I did, but then these auth panels will only accept a root password
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04:16<eeeekyellowsnow>hey hey debian buddies
04:16<eeeekyellowsnow>got a question
04:16<eeeekyellowsnow>i just did a system update and conky happens to be on all windows now,,, is there a way i could reverse this change?
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04:18<jspiros>oop, I see, /apps/gksu/sudo-mode
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04:19<babilen>eeeekyellowsnow: You might be able to find an older version in /var/cache/apt/archives/ . Use dpkg to install (i.e. downgrade) conky (whatever is responsible for that)
04:20<eeeekyellowsnow>babilen: okidoo, will see that. but what if it was another update that was responsible for this, is there a way to see the list of my last update?
04:21<babilen>eeeekyellowsnow: Take a look at /var/log/aptitude or /var/log/dpkg.log
04:21<babilen>and watch out where the huskies go!
04:21<babilen>(don't you eat the yellow snow)
04:22<babilen>eeeekyellowsnow: Do you run unstable? Could you file a bug about this?
04:22<eeeekyellowsnow>hehe
04:23<eeeekyellowsnow>babilen: do i run unstable? what do you mean? it works fine, its just on every window. yeah, i'll file a bug for this.
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04:23<babilen>eeeekyellowsnow: No, I meant: Which version of Debian do you use? Lenny, Squeeze, Sid, .. ?
04:24<eeeekyellowsnow>babilen: oh wait this is odd,,, i just killed conky and restarted it and now its back to normal
04:24<babilen>hehe
04:25<eeeekyellowsnow>babilen: imma restart and see if it'll do it again, if yes i'll file a bug
04:25<babilen>I'll let you do whatever you want - but that sounds like a good plan :)
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04:28<eeeekyellowsnow>babilen: well its working fine now, thanks anyways babilen, appreeshiyated
04:28<babilen>np
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04:29<EmleyMoor>There's nothing special to watch out for when using a SATA DVD writer is there? I have one (brand new) that doesn't write further than 7MB
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04:31<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: Probably the media to blame.
04:31<dr|z3d>No special considerations, no.
04:31<EmleyMoor>dr|z3d: Not the media to blame - already ruled that out
04:31<dr|z3d>If you want the disc readable everywhere, consider writing at the slowest speed.
04:32*EmleyMoor is down to just his laptop with a workable writer for now
04:33*EmleyMoor has ordered a replacement
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04:36<EmleyMoor>Old PATA one was writing OK but not reading further than 90%
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05:28<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... this DVD writer won't even open now
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05:31<dr|z3d>EmleyMoor: Let me guess, it's a Chinese model, and it's not a particularly renowned brand?
05:31<EmleyMoor>Meanwhile, my laptop is fine with the media
05:31<EmleyMoor>Not sure as to its manufacture, but it's an LG
05:32*EmleyMoor has ordered a Sony to replace it)
05:32<dr|z3d>Ah, Korean, then.
05:32<dr|z3d>LG have a reasonably good rep.
05:33<dr|z3d>Plextor have the best rep, though.
05:33<EmleyMoor>Fortunately I don't think getting the money back will be a problem
05:33<dr|z3d>And they're Belgian, I think.
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05:34<EmleyMoor>Given a choice not based purely on price I would tend to choose European
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05:34<EmleyMoor>My supplier doesn't do Plextor
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05:34<dr|z3d>Pioneer?
05:35<dr|z3d>I rate them pretty highly.
05:35<EmleyMoor>Yes, they do Pioneer
05:35<dr|z3d>Well, your call. :)
05:35<EmleyMoor>I'll see how the Sony goes
05:36<dr|z3d>Sony you pay for the name, not necessarily for the quality, but give them a spin!
05:36<EmleyMoor>Only thing about the Pioneer is it has Labelflash - which I believe is not yet supported in Linux - not that it's essential
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05:48<xtremetux>Hallo, ihr Debian-user. Ich war gerade im ubuntu-de-offtopic. Da scheine ich aber merkwürdigerweise der einzige gewesen zu sein. Ist das hier ein Support-Kanal?
05:49<Torsten_W>!de
05:49<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
05:49<Torsten_W>and we don't support ubuntu
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06:43<Pastora>la
06:43<Pastora>ola
06:44<Pastora>ola
06:44<Pastora>quien eres'?
06:44<Pastora>te conozco de algo????
06:44<muzy>!es
06:44<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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06:45<Pastora>ola
06:45<muzy>hello
06:45<muzy>!ubuntu-es
06:45<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en irc.freenode.net Ahi recibira mas soporte.
06:45<Pastora>quien eres?
06:45<Pastora>??
06:46<Pastora>me lo puedes decir?
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06:47<muzy>hm so bad that I cannot speak Spanish
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06:48<xbytemx>hi, i have a SIGSEGV on a binary, when i use gdb for get more information about it, i get: 0x0000000000000001 in ?? ()
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06:52<xbytemx>somebody can teld me a suggestion about it?
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06:59<Lethalman>xbytemx, type "bt"
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07:02<xbytemx>Lethalman it appears again
07:02<Lethalman>xbytemx, does it show only one row?
07:02<Lethalman>no other rows?
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07:03<xbytemx>Lethalman it show other 3 more
07:03<Lethalman>then look there
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07:04<xbytemx>Lethalman Oh thx
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07:10<And1>Hey folks, any ideas, why this command doesn't work: http://wiki.debian.org/ShellTricks#HowdoIdothatrecursively.3F ('find . -depth -name '* *' -type f -print0 | xargs -r0 rename 's/ /_/g'')
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07:42<valdyn>And1: -depth ? which depth?
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07:43<And1>valdyn: "-depth Process each directory's contents before the directory itself."
07:45<valdyn>And1: i think you should use -exec
07:45<And1>valdyn: I tried also this: "find . -depth -name "* *" -type f -exec prename "s/ /_/g" {} +"
07:46<And1>"find . -name "* *" -exec prename "s/ /_/g" {} +" works, but I don't wanna run it 3-5 times, so that every directory is also renamed.
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07:47<valdyn>And1: so run it twice, once for type d , once for type f
07:47<valdyn>And1: oh or that will also get you multiple runs
07:47<And1>Yup. :/
07:48<babilen>And1: http://paste.debian.net/66113/
07:48<babilen>And1: It works pretty well for what you want to do
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07:52<valdyn>except where you get recursive symlinks
07:52<valdyn>but thats probably irrelevant
07:52<And1>babilen: What's pushd/popd?
07:52<valdyn>And1: tias
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07:53<And1>valdyn: What does that mean?
07:53<valdyn>!tias
07:53<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
07:54<babilen>And1: Or read the manpages :)
07:54<babilen>And1: They are handy commands - think of them as a "directory-stack"
07:54<And1>../scripts/nospaces.sh: 19: pushd: not found
07:54<And1>../scripts/nospaces.sh: 19: blank-rename.sh: not found
07:54<And1>../scripts/nospaces.sh: 19: popd: not found
07:54<valdyn>And1: thats bash builtins
07:55<valdyn>And1: youre not using bash?
07:55<babilen>And1: Well, put that script in your PATH
07:55<babilen>sorry, should have mentioned that
07:55<babilen>And1: "help pushd" "help popd"
07:56<babilen>And1: And change the scripts name to "blank-rename.sh" or the recursive call in the script to nospaces.sh
07:57<valdyn>or convert the recursion to a function call instead of a program call
07:57<babilen>yeah :)
07:57<And1>valdyn: How would I do that?
07:57<And1>I could just give a absolute path to the script, mh?
07:58<valdyn>And1: yes
07:58<valdyn>And1: theres plenty examples for functions in /etc/init.d/
07:59<babilen>And1: No, the "for j in *" works on cwd
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07:59<valdyn>babilen: you misunderstood
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08:00<babilen>explain :)
08:00<valdyn>the recursion can be done /fixed/path/to/blank-rename.sh
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08:03<And1>babilen: Hmm, but that does not search for files with spaces, but it just renames everything, mh?
08:04<babilen>And1: Yes
08:05<babilen>And1: Or rather: It renames names with spaces in them
08:05<And1>Can I combine that with find?
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08:05<lorena>ola
08:05<And1>It renames every file here, it seems. Even those without spaces.
08:05<lorena>que tal?
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08:07<babilen>And1: No, it only renames those with spaces in them - You just see the recursion into subdirectories
08:08<And1>But it takes a loooong time in e.g. my music dir. :/
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08:08<And1>Is there a way to combine it with 'find -name "* *"' or something like that?
08:09<babilen>And1: You can certainly combine the "move if spaces" logic with find in order to generate the list of files to look at. That would just be a completely different script
08:10<babilen>And1: Hei, it's just one of those little scripts in ~/bin - found it years ago and use it for what it is good. There are certainly other/better ways to do it.
08:11<And1>Think I'll use it, till I find a more efficient way. :)
08:11<babilen>And1: You might want to take a look at 'rename' for example, which you can combine easily with find
08:12<And1>The problem with rename is, I have to execute it severeal times, because it moves directories and then can't find the files anymore, which were found in the directory (with a space in the name).
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08:12<babilen>yeah, you would want to start with the leafs
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08:26<skunkydude>heya
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08:30<skunkydude>dos eny one know eny think about back track 4 plz need help
08:30<OdyX>!backtrack
08:30<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
08:31<skunkydude>eny body
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08:31<locklace>!lart skunkydude
08:31*dpkg holds skunkydude to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
08:32<skunkydude>locklace im new to this shit lol its hard keeping ur local lan on
08:32<skunkydude>lol
08:32<bremner>!tell skunkydude -about backtrack
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08:34<locklace>!tell skunkydude about private
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08:35<skunkydude>look peeps im new hear i dont know how this works but i use blogtv a lot and skype so im new so cut me a break ay
08:35<bremner>skunkydude: we are cutting you a break, we are giving you all kinds of relevant information. Are you reading it?
08:36<skunkydude>yes
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08:36<skunkydude>im just pissed of because it wont stay on my fucking net
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08:36<bremner>skunkydude: so you got the part where this is not backtrack support?
08:36<skunkydude>every time i shut it down it disconnects me net then i have to do all the terminle again
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08:37<skunkydude>well i was looking into this chat and it sez its made for back track helpers
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08:40<ml|>skunkydude: /server irc.freenode.net then /join #backtrack-linux
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08:40<skunkydude>l whats that for
08:41<ml|>for you to get help with your problem
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08:42<skunkydude>so whats this chat for then
08:43<ml|>debian support only read what dpkg said; you will not get help here, good luck
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08:46<skunkydude>so really u all bunch of hopless twats then really
08:46<locklace>!u
08:46<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
08:47<skunkydude>u
08:47<skunkydude>u
08:47<skunkydude>u
08:47<skunkydude>u
08:47-!-skunkydude was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
08:47<locklace>!next
08:47<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
08:47<ml|>:)
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08:47<ml|>!ops skunkydude
08:47<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ml| complains about: skunkydude
08:48<skunkydude>wat complains
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08:49<skunkydude>this place is a dump im out of hear wat a shit hole!
08:49<@zobel>skunkydude, ml|: please behave!
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08:49<skunkydude>zobel fuck you
08:49<ml|>zobel: what?
08:50<@zobel>skunkydude: calm down. otherwise i will show you the exit of this channel
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08:55<eightyeight>heh
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09:04<eightyeight>how can i get a list of factoids that the bot currently has?
09:04<eightyeight>is it published anywhere? can i query dpkg?
09:05<ml|>dpkg: search dpkg
09:05<dpkg>My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <search>, <help listkeys>, <help-listvals>, <opensearch>
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09:05<eightyeight>thx
09:05<ml|>np
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09:06<ml|>eightyeight: and yes you /msg dpkg help
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09:09<eightyeight>ml|: yeah. i was in /msg with dpkg at the time
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09:09<linda>hello evrebody
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09:10<laurita>hello everybody
09:10<ml|>eightyeight: ok, just answering you question :)
09:10<eightyeight>no worries
09:10<aguitel>hola laurita
09:10<laurita>holaa!
09:11<linda>Holaaa
09:11<laurita>qien sos vos
09:11<ml|>!en
09:11<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
09:11<laurita>ok
09:11<laurita>hello everybody!!
09:11<aguitel>para hablar en spanish /join #debian-ar
09:11<linda>I 'm english
09:11<laurita>where do you live??
09:12<laurita>I'm from mexico
09:12<linda>i live in buenos aires
09:12<adb>laurita > offtopic: #debian-offtopic
09:13<laurita>really, I'm from argentina. but I live in mexico
09:13<aguitel>linda, ve a #debian-ar
09:13<adb>es-social
09:13<adb>!es-social
09:13<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:13<linda>i ' m from barcelona in spain but i live in buenos aires
09:14<linda>no thank you
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09:14<Panko>to read? not in some persons... xD
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09:14<Gosatsu>Hi
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09:15<laurita>do you know other page for talk with people??
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09:16<aguitel>laurita, what are you looking for
09:16<laurita>do you know??
09:16<ml|>laurita: /join 17:36:58 < bja> james_: Today has been a male day, all of the new lurkers of #debian-es-cachondeo have been male :)
09:16<ml|>oops
09:17<adb>heh
09:17<ml|>laurita: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
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09:18<laurita>I'm looking foor a page for talk with peopel wich don't talk ebaut computer
09:18-!-angasule [~angasule@201.250.104.40] has joined #debian
09:18<adb>laurita google
09:19<ml|>laurita: yes, try.. /join #debian-es-cachondeo or what adb just said
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09:19<eightyeight>laurita: /join #defocus
09:19<laurita>but I don't want this
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09:19<eightyeight>meh
09:19*eightyeight is on oftc, not freenode
09:19<ml|>eightyeight: we know :)
09:20<eightyeight>:)
09:20<linda>talkme somecing
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09:20<laurita>linda is my cousin
09:20<ml|>linda: laurita this not a chat channel
09:20<linda>ouu
09:20<laurita>what??
09:20<ml|>it's for debian support
09:21<laurita>I don't understand
09:21<adb>!ops laurita linda
09:21<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: laurita linda
09:21<linda>i 'don 't anderstoaunt
09:21<ml|>laurita: linda /join #debian-es-cachondeo
09:21<eightyeight>laurita: linda; this is a support channel for debian. either ask your debian quostions, or provide support for others. otherwise, you're welcome to lurk, or leave
09:21<locklace>!es-social laurita
09:21<dpkg>laurita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
09:21<linda>laurita is my cousin the mexico
09:22<linda>this summer i travelling at laurita house in mexico
09:22<laurita>I know, but I don't want this chanel
09:22<eightyeight>linda: please stop
09:22<eightyeight>laurita: the /quit
09:23<eightyeight>s/the/then/
09:23<linda>fuck you
09:23<laurita>because, I don't understand abaut computers
09:24<linda>okis
09:24<ml|>laurita: linda por favor /join #debian-es-cachondeo aqui es solo parra supporte parra debian
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09:24<laurita>what?
09:25<linda>i don't understount
09:25<Panko>anda que...
09:25<eightyeight>laurita: linda: type /quit
09:25<linda>anda k de k
09:25<laurita>what's meant supporte??
09:25<linda>chabal
09:26<Panko>laurita linda, os están diciendo que esta sala está para dar soporte sobre Debian a aquell@s que lo necesiten...
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09:26<Panko>para "socializar" o cualquier cosa que no tenga nada que ver con ayudas sobre debian, otras salas hay, como #debian-es-cachondeo...
09:27<linda>pero k es debian??
09:27<linda>panko
09:27<laurita>pero q significa soporte??
09:27<Panko>soporte=ayuda
09:27<ml|>ayuda
09:27<linda>aaa
09:27<linda>grasias panko
09:27<linda>i love you
09:27<laurita>aa gracias panko
09:27<linda>have you got girl friends
09:28<linda>esk no entemos buien a estas personas
09:29<linda>pankoo ablaaa
09:29<laurita>cuantos años tenes vos??
09:29<locklace>hablan ingles o salir, perras
09:29<linda>no tu zorra
09:30<linda>tu tambein estas ablando español
09:30<eightyeight>...
09:30<laurita>ok now, I try speak english
09:30<laurita>sorry
09:30<ml|>laurita: linda en /join #debian-es-cachondeo puden ablar con personas ...
09:30<ml|>aqui no!
09:31<laurita>what?
09:31<linda>what?
09:31<eightyeight>seriously
09:31<laurita>ok
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09:31<linda>seriously??
09:31<ml|>ops are a no show ;(
09:31<eightyeight>!ops linda laurita
09:31<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: eightyeight complains about: linda laurita
09:31<ml|>maybe ignoring will work ;P
09:32<linda>it dosen 't mater
09:32<weasel>it's what I do. you use !ops way too often.
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09:33<weasel>it would work better if you didn't feed everyone before you complain about them
09:33<linda>oo sory i don what to say
09:33<ml|>weasel: we all have read up please
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09:34<linda>ok
09:34<laurita>but we want leanr speak english please
09:34<linda>i don want to disturb you
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09:35<mowgli>hi, all! new linux user here. i've got a NSLU2. 2 days ago it stopped functioning correctly: no access via web or network/samba, disk1 led is off and Ready/Status led is continuously blinking. I've tried installing Debian as indicated in the nslu2-linux site, but during installation the partitioning menu does not give me any partition available on the connected USB drive (the same that original firmware used to have)... any ideas pls?
09:36<adb>mowgli, try #debian-arm
09:37<mowgli>adb: thx, will do.
09:37<adb>yw
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09:39<Mate>Hello guys i have an question.
09:40<Mate>Is it worth to chroot wwwroot for security purpuse or it's rather easy to break out of chroot jail ?
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09:45<adrien>yo
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10:00<lorena>OLA
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10:00<lorena>QUE TAL
10:00<covent>what's the best way to do so that all incoming mails for a domain should me forward to another mailserver?
10:00<ml|>!es-social lorena
10:00<dpkg>lorena: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:01<lorena>JORGITO
10:01<lorena>QUE TAL
10:01<jorgiito>quien eres?
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10:01<jorgiito>que?
10:01<lorena>YO LORENA Y TU
10:01<jorgiito>jorge
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10:40<dpkg>suro: VATTENE VIA
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11:03<Viper550>Okay little question, my neighbour uses Synpatico internet I beleive, would FTP install work?
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11:04<bremner>Viper550: sure, shouldn't matter.
11:04<bremner>Viper550: most mirrors are available over http to avoid idiotic ISP firewalls
11:04<Viper550>but I'm sure some need a login routine or something, although I hear the newer modems store the login data on them
11:05<bremner>Viper550: oic, you talk about PPPOE authentication. Could you plug in a router and let it do the logging in?
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11:06<bremner>I don't know if the debian installer understands pppoe
11:06<gsimmons>It does, ask dpkg about it ; /msg dpkg pppoe install
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11:32<j0sfg>i uninstalled tar from debian lenny wanting to install bsdtar instead. now i can't install either. i get dpkg-deb errors "dpkg-deb (subprocess): failed to exec tar: No such file or directory". help!
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11:33<bremner>j0sfg: err, how many warnings did you ignore to uninstall tar?
11:33<Viper550>yeah, I'm gona be transitioning my friend next door over to Debian hopefully, and I wanted to use the FTP installer
11:34<Viper550>cause I'm running low on bandwidth over here (FREAKING COGECO, WHY CAN'T WE HAVE 100GB OF BANDWIDTH INSTEAD OF 80?!
11:34<amz>hi
11:34<brujii>hi
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11:35<ml|>yes, shouldn't apt* flash a bunch of warnings, when removing essential stuff?
11:35<amz>http://wklej.to/LKyz/text how fix?
11:35<brujii>WHATS YOUR NAME
11:35<brujii>?
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11:37<j0sfg>ml|: apt did. i thought i'm going to be replacing tar with bsdtar anyway, before i reboot again. so should be ok. have i truly screwed up?
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11:38<bremner>j0sfg: kinda, you need to find the tar binary and install it by hand
11:38<bremner>j0sfg: what architecture are you on?
11:38<ml|>j0sfg: tar is essential, not sure if you can replace it with another like bsdtar
11:39<j0sfg>bremner: good idea. i'm on i386
11:39<bremner>j0sfg: if you trust me (which, why should you?) I can send you/post a tar binary.
11:40<bremner>oh, wait, I'm on squeeze. You'll need someone on lenny
11:40<j0sfg>bremner: i guess i have no choice at this stage
11:40<ml|>can he just download the .deb an extract it?
11:40<j0sfg>yes i.m on lenny
11:40<bremner>not on that machine
11:40<ml|>coan't*
11:40<babilen>ml|: How would he extract it?
11:40<bremner>with tar! \o/
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11:40<bremner>catch 22.
11:40<ml|>with ar?
11:40<babilen>exactly :)
11:41<amz>http://wklej.to/Lb6k/html
11:41<babilen>amz: Do you have a Debian related question?
11:42<ml|>amz: this your error ... make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.32-bpo.3-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop
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11:42<bremner>ml|: inside the ar is .tar.gz
11:43<bremner>if I understand correctly
11:43<j0sfg>could anyone dump me a lenny binary for tar? can i just dump the binary where tar is supposed to be. bremner's suggestion sounds good to me
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11:45<ml|>bremner: yes, but with a livecd and transfer?
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11:45<bremner>ml|: oh, sure that works.
11:46<ml|>so download deb extract cp done
11:46<bremner>j0sfg: do you have a live cd? Even the installer rescue mode should work
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11:46<mentor>j0sfg: Have you got the package in /var/cache/apt/archives?
11:47<amz>ml|: http://wklej.to/Lb6k/html
11:47<mentor>j0sfg: Failing that you can grab the package directly from a mirror
11:47<amz>how install that headers?
11:47<stack_underflow>are file permissions stored in the file itself? I was wondering because I checked the md5 of a file, tried changing its permissions and checked the md5 again and it didn't change
11:48<ml|>j0sfg: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/tar
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11:50<j0sfg>mentor: i have tar_1.20-1_i386.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives. "apt-get install" fetches the package, but dpkg-deb can't fnd tar and the errors stop any further processing
11:51<mentor>hmmm
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11:51<aguitel>ml|, hello ,anyway to find obsoletes package ?
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11:52<gsimmons>amz: linux-kbuild-2.6.32 isn't available in lenny-backports, as linux-kbuild-2.6 still needs to be updated. The driver you are attempting to compile is already present as a staging driver (rt2860sta) in 2.6.32 anyway.
11:52<j0sfg>what can i do with a .deb package. how can i extract it?
11:53<ml|>aguitel: deborphan can help
11:53<amz>gsimmons: but that work but cant connect to any wifi and problem is in that wifi under debian
11:53<aguitel>ml|, in squeeze is working?
11:53<mentor>j0sfg: one sec
11:53<ml|>aguitel: yes
11:54<amz>because under windows work, and with kismet work, and with wicd i cant found networks, but cant connect (dont got any from dhcp, and under static ip cant ping ap) and with same wicd and other card both work normal
11:54<amz>and under windows both work too without problem with same wifi's
11:54<aguitel>ml|, and how to run it?
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11:56<ml|>aguitel: man deborphan; /msg dpkg deborphan
11:56<peej>Aha, all my waiting has finally paid off - I've put a trojan tar on http://ecind.com/tar and j0sfg picked it up. Tee hee!
11:56<peej>oops, wrong window
11:56<mentor>j0sfg: Which package of tar do you want? URI preferable.
11:57<amz>ok
11:57<amz>problem is with wicd, under ceni work nice ;)
11:57<gsimmons>amz: It's still the same vendor driver. See http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta#KnownIssues and ensure firmware-ralink 0.23~bpo50+1 is installed.
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11:57<amz>know any progz for gnome what is like wicd?
11:57<j0sfg>mentor: i didn't understand. tar_1.20-1_i386.deb is what apt is installing by default
11:58<mentor>j0sfg: Have you got ar installed?
11:58<j0sfg>what am i supposed to make of that message from peej??? does anyone know if peej is pushing out trojans. he sent me a tar binary
11:59<bremner>j0sfg: this is IRC, you can trust us all about equally :)
11:59<peej>j0sfg, well, that's the point, isn't it? You can't simply trust someone for binaries. Even if I say, trust me.
11:59<j0sfg>bremner: yes i have ar installed
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11:59<bremner>mentor^
12:00<j0sfg>sorry, yes mentor i have ar installed
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12:00<peej>Reminds of that star trek book where some hippy asks Spock, "are you telling the truth" and he says something like "That question is illogical"
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12:04<peej>you could ask various people to do a sha1sum check against the bin file and if they all tally, you have a pretty good chance of having a correct binary.
12:05<mentor>j0sfg: HAve you got bzip2 installed?
12:05<j0sfg>yes mentor
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12:07<mentor>ee7f744cb538eeedabd730178279cfe7 www.bells23.org.uk/tar.cpio.bz2
12:08<mentor>j0sfg: ^^
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12:09<mentor>j0sfg: md5sum; bunzip; cpio -t < tar.cpio; then if everything is satisfactory: cd /; cpio -id < /path/to/tar.cpio
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12:19<j0sfg>mentor and peej. THANK YOU very much!!! you have saved my *virtual* life and real life sanity!
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12:21<bremner>j0sfg: promise us you will pay attention to apt warnings?
12:21<j0sfg>peej sent me a binary file, and then while i was debating what to do next with it, he sent te prank messages in this room. that had me real scared. then i got mentor's file and diff'd them both. i used mentor's file and installed tar with apt-get. i think my sytem is safe for now. i'm going to reboot shortly, just for my peace of mind
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12:22<bremner>j0sfg: you should reinstall tar using apt
12:22<ml|>aptitude!
12:22<bremner>j0sfg: generally, don't reboot before the problem is fixed
12:23<bremner>ml|: ja ja
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12:23<ml|>:)
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12:23<j0sfg>bremner i just did apt-get install tar. what do you mean reinstall? remove and then install again...?
12:24<bremner>j0sfg: OK, that is what I meant
12:24<j0sfg>bremner i think i understand you meant. thanks
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12:24<ml|>!greet grimnar
12:24<dpkg>Gr33tz, grimnar
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12:24<grimnar>:D
12:25<ml|>grimnar: so all is fine now right, from previous issue?
12:25<grimnar>yeah
12:25<grimnar>working just great
12:25<ml|>:)
12:25<babilen>grimnar: yay!
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12:26<grimnar>:)
12:26<peej>j0sfg, why do you trust mentor?
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12:26<grimnar>But there is a few things left I need to fix
12:27<babilen>grimnar: What might that be?
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12:27<grimnar>raid1
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12:27<grimnar>:)
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12:28*Panko hates megavideo & his 72 minutes limit.... ock them all!
12:29<j0sfg>peej, the diff returned both files as similar. as they were the same, i could trust you both together. unless you two were working together to trash my pc. that could be possible...
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12:29<grimnar>I just dont understand, my /dev/sda1 is mounted like it should, (74gb) but one of my raid disks also shows up as /dev/sda (750gb)
12:30<Panko>sorry :$
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12:31<peej>j0sfg, yup, that's a reasonable level of verification.
12:31<j0sfg>peej, now that i'm looking back at the incident, i can laugh at your prank. but i've still got my nerves worked up from my missing tar and that scare.
12:31<valdyn>grimnar: why is sda1 a partition as it should while sda is a raid disk? that does not make sense, thats dangerous
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12:33<grimnar>valdyn: its 2 different disks
12:33<valdyn>grimnar: sda and sda1 isnt different disks
12:33<grimnar>heh, oh yes they are
12:33<grimnar>hold on
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12:33<grimnar>let me explain
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12:34<grimnar>when I do a df /dev/sda1 shows up like it should (74g)
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12:34<grimnar>when I do fdisk -l /dev/sda1 lists as 750gb
12:35<grimnar>and it is suppose to be /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdc1
12:35<grimnar>and thus, part of the /dev/md0
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12:38<valdyn>grimnar: the df output for your root mount point is meaningless
12:38<grimnar>valdyn: http://pastebin.com/KDksFXSC
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12:42<j0sfg>now that i have got the tar episode past me, can i replace tar with bsdtar? bsdtar is almost 20x smaller.
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12:43<j0sfg>grimnar: what does fdisk -l /dev/sda give you? check if /dev/sda1 is listed there.
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12:45<Quidam77>Hallo Freunde von Debian und dessen Abkömmlingen. Kann mir jemand helfen bei der Konfiguration von Grub2. Genauer möchte ich die Schriftgröße beim Booten ändern. Schaffe es nicht, dass die 00_header in der grub.cfg den Grub_GFXMode ändert. Was beachte ich nicht?
12:45<noflash>!de
12:45<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
12:45<grimnar>j0sfg: http://pastebin.com/uU1TeEKz
12:45<Quidam77>ups. sorry
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12:47<j0sfg>grimnar: that show /dev/sda1 is a partition on the disk /dev/sda.
12:47<j0sfg>grimnar: show or means
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12:48<grimnar>yeah, but its suppose to be /dev/sdb or /dev/sdc
12:49<j0sfg>grimnar: /dev/sda1 is a partition on the disk /dev/sda, and fdisk -l /dev/sda shows that, as per your pastebin above.
12:49<grimnar>yeah, I see that
12:50<grimnar>but that disk is 750gb and do not contain any systemfiles only raw images
12:50<ml|>grimnar: sdX is your disk and sdX# is the partition on that disk
12:50<grimnar>and according to /etc/fstab /dev/sda1 / ext3 defaults,user_xattr,errors=remount-ro 0 1
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12:52<grimnar>ml|: rembemer the disk we saved last night with chroot and stuff, it shows up as /dev/sdc1/2/5
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12:52<grimnar>(when I hook up my raid-disks)
12:52<ml|>so you can have a 74gb as /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdc can be 74gb also, but I don't know much about raid
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12:53<grimnar>there is only *one* 74gb disk
12:53<grimnar>and thats the one we fixed last night
12:53<dominique>Hi! I'm trying to forward the port from my external interface to the IP 127.0.1.1, but I'm unable to determine on which Interface the IP 127.0.1.1 is! Please Help
12:53<grimnar>the 2 other disks are 2*750 and are suppose to create /dev/md0
12:54<ml|>grimnar: like I said I don't much about raid, but that is what this is telling me ... http://pastebin.com/KDksFXSC
12:54<grimnar>yeah, that is problem
12:55<grimnar>thats why Im here
12:55<grimnar>to solve this
12:55<grimnar>:)
12:55<ml|>maybe explain what you did for someone to help you
12:55<grimnar>okay
12:55<grimnar>Second attempt
12:56<grimnar>I got one disk (74gb) that is hooked to the mainboard, and are suppose to be /dev/sda
12:56<grimnar>Then I got 2 other disks, that are hooked to a raid card and should be /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc then create /dev/md0
12:56<grimnar>Thats it
12:57<grimnar>But one of the raid disks shows up as /dev/sda when I do fdisk -l
12:57<ml|>but don't you have to create the raid or something?
12:57<grimnar>Its not been created yet, cause I have to rebuild/repair it
12:58<ml|>is that /dev/md0?
12:58<grimnar>yeah, when its done its /dev/md0
12:58<ml|>then maybe that's why they show like that now?
12:58<grimnar>no
12:58<ml|>ok
12:59<grimnar>Cause in /etc/mdad/mdadm.conf /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 are setup to create /dev/md0
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12:59<grimnar>But since one of the disk shows up as /dev/sda, there will be no /dev/md0
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13:01<stack_underflow>i'm getting a 1TB hard drive soon and was wondering what filesystem I should choose when formatting it; I'll be using it in debian and windows, any suggestions?
13:01<stack_underflow>external hard drive*
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13:04<grimnar>stack_underflow: fat?
13:05<stack_underflow>grimnar, but doesn't it have a 4GB file size restriction?
13:05<grimnar>that may be, but I think thats the only option except ntfs.
13:06<grimnar>But NTFS is another story of course
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13:07<j0sfg>stack_underflow: if you are porting it everywhere, then i might use ntfs. if you are only using it on your computers, then i will use ext3 and install the ext3 driver on windows. ntfs is very prone to fragmentation. vfat is the most portable, unless you'll have 4G+ files.
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13:09<j0sfg>i'm not sure of the latest fat32 restrictions on file size though. as i never reach 4G limits.
13:10<stack_underflow>hmm, looks like there's an exfat fs too, anyone know anything about it?
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13:12<stack_underflow>wikipedia says this for file restrictions: 64 ZiB, 512 TiB recommended[1]
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13:16<stack_underflow>what's fragmentation like on vfat?
13:16<j0sfg>personally, i will never have files of those sizes. you need to understand what you will be using stack_underflow
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13:17<stack_underflow>j0sfg, my files are generally small size (work, music, etc) but I will have the odd dvd rip (around 4.3GBs)
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13:19<j0sfg>if your dvd rips are efficient, they should be compressed and a lot smaller.
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13:19<drewdavis>#debian-kde
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13:24<detly>hey, does anyone know if/how I can "reset" ~/.xsession-errors? if I delete the file, it isn't re-created, and if I empty the contents it's not written to again
13:25<OdyX>detly: afaik, delete and restart X
13:25<detly>dang
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13:25<detly>I'd rather not log out, but I thought that might be the case :P
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13:26<detly>is the size limit for that file configurable?
13:26<erwyky>ollllaaaaaaa
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13:27<mocra>trying to start xspim, i get the error message *-courier-medium-r-normal--12-*-75-* I think some fonts are missing, how can i fix that?
13:27<OdyX>facepalm
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15:10<linuxguy>Hi can someone please help me with a xorg.conf. configuration?, basically i have installed debian squeeze and updated it fully, instaalled nvidia drivers fro my 1gb 9500gt card, but i can omly get a resolution of 1152x864, i would really like to have a 122280x1024 screen, almost all other distros will give me this, are theres some like cheat codes out or someway i can get th desired resolution here thanks
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15:14<ml|>linuxguy: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
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15:16<linuxguy>ml|, i usdd the smxi script
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15:17<linuxguy>reason being is because it works, if i did it the "debian way2 i would still get the same thing, i have had lenny work at the deired 180x1024 res, i know it could be something to do with the vga=791 or something
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15:18<ml|>the debian way should work from nvidia wiki page
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15:20<ml|>does smxi use free or nvidia drivers from nvidia.com?
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15:22<dr|z3d>180x1024? Yikes!
15:22<dr|z3d>What is that screen? A plasma armband?
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15:22*dr|z3d winks.
15:22<ml|>heh
15:22<linuxguy>it builds the drivers and headers etc from nvidia, it works well
15:23<ml|>linuxguy: well both are not supported here, follow the wiki page and do it the debian way if you want help in here
15:24<ml|>linuxguy: /msg dpkg nvidia
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15:25<ml|>linuxguy: actually since you are using testing /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
15:25<ircipimp>hi. is there some tool like mock is for rpm, which will create a chroot, enter it, and build a specified source package inside of it?
15:26<ircipimp>is fakeroot, what i want? or does dpkg-buildpackage have a switch, to accomplish that?
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15:26<linuxguy>ml|, thanks, i undrstand what you say, but i still end up with same thing with debian, i can only assume its that vga=791 thatsss messing things up, eg if i install livecd / install sabayon using exacr same ddriver, i get what i need, use same driver with debian and it struggles
15:27<ircipimp>or do i have to perform the necessary steps manually, run debootstrap, enter the chroot, install dependencies and build?
15:27<ml|>linuxguy: the vga=791 is for grub freambuffer not for X
15:30<ml|>linuxguy: sometimes X/udev does not set things up correctly and you need to manually add stuff to /etc/X11/xorg.conf /msg dpkg xstrikeforce will explain on that wiki page; but you are things differently and that might not help; worth a shoot tho if you want to keep using nvidia.com drivers; but again not supported here
15:31<linuxguy>brb........need to check up on something
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15:32<bl4ckc00k1e>hi
15:32<bl4ckc00k1e>i have one question
15:33<bl4ckc00k1e>if with iptables i close one port, i can acces local?
15:34<bl4ckc00k1e>for example the port of 8834 of nessus, u can see in my apache with other computer, if i blocked it with iptables, can i acces to? or iptables block me?
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15:42<romain_>* essai
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15:44<hitman>can any1 help in breaking ms word password...i forgot it
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15:45<hitman>please tell me frnds
15:45<hitman>please reply
15:46<ml|>hitman: try asking in ##windows on freenode
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15:47<hitman>i wasnot able to understand
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15:47<hitman>please help...can i do it through backtrack??
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15:47<ml|>!backtrack
15:47<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.backtrack-linux.org/ #backtrack-linux on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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15:48<shalalla>hi I know it's OT but how can I fixmbr without the seven dvd ( I have only the ASUS recovery one ) ?
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15:50<hitman>dpkg...u mean i can use whax to crack that password
15:50<ml|>hitman: no and don't message people without asking; read what dpkg said
15:51<hitman>i wasnt able to understand him...i am a 18 yr old boy...sorry for tha
15:52<Torsten_W>with an age of 18, you should able to read and understand
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15:52<hitman>can u tell that in simple language..thats technical buddy,,how am i supposed to understanf
15:52<ml|>hitman: /server irc.freenode.net then after you join ... /join #backtrack-linux and/or ##windows
15:53<cahoot>hitman: cracking any password - windows or other is off-topic here
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15:53<hitman>and mll my backtrack doesnot detect wifi...whats the problem??
15:54<Torsten_W>here is not #backtrack
15:54<Torsten_W>how often we should tell you again?
15:54<hitman>sorry but nobody else tells me...thanks for "NOT HELPING"
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15:55<amphi>I thought backtrack was for 'technical' people
15:55<muzy>Aloha, what is the right permission for my ssh private key?
15:56<bja>muzy: -rw-------
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15:56<ml|>yep, always
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15:57<ml|>I even have that set for .pub key
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16:06<kurumin>ola
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16:14<linuxguy>ml|, can i just ask \ tell you have you ever come across a 1GB nvidia card before?
16:14<ml|>probably no, but memory should matter
16:15<ml|>s/probably no/no/
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16:17<linuxguy>ml|, reason i am asking is this if i used some of my older cards say upto 512mb the debian way, anyway would gert me everything working fine, but since i got the 1gb card its proved very difficult to seetup properly, and i am wondering wether now the card \ monitor are not communicating properly and giving me headdache?
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16:20<ml|>linuxguy: since you are using squeeze you need to do things differently, the only way to is to try it and see /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze; but you are using nvidia.com stuff so I don't know ask in #nvidia in freenode
16:20<linuxguy>brb..........lunch
16:20<aguitel> /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
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16:22<aguitel>linuxguy, http://forkbomb.dadacafe.org/blog/Debian_Squeeze_Nvidia_Nano-Howto/
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16:25<bighornram>I want to purge google chromium from my machine using dpkg. How can I learn what the name of the package is to execute the dpkg -P "XXXX"?
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16:26<bighornram>blah got it
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16:29<muzy>Debian on 2GB.. hope it works well :)=
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16:30<adb>muzy, i got debian on 120MB..
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16:32<ml|>muzy: depends on your usage, here with X, etc.. 3gb used
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16:43<muzy>adb, how?
16:43<muzy>and what do you use?
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16:46<adb>muzy, debirf ..
16:46<muzy>adb, didn't work for me
16:46<muzy>no idea why
16:47<adb>ask on their channel
16:47<muzy>do you have a full kernel therE?
16:47<adb>yes
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17:24<bja>dpkg: !nuke dr|z3d
17:24<dpkg>bja: I give up, what is it?
17:25<bja>!nuke dr|z3d
17:25*dpkg fires a 60 petaton thermonuclear weapon at dr|z3d
17:25<dr|z3d>!lart bja
17:25*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples bja's genitalia to the ground
17:25*dr|z3d wins. And grins.
17:25<bja>uhh that hurt
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17:35<eljefe>how can i use my [F11] key to make every app borderless/fullscreen? currently it only works in web browsers. kde 4.3.4
17:36<dr|z3d>Look at devilspie, perhaps, eljefe
17:36<dr|z3d>Or simply remap fullscreen to f11.
17:36<dr|z3d>fullscreen/maximize.
17:39<eljefe>that is what i am trying to do; sorry tho i thought this was #debian-kde I will ask there
17:39<eljefe>but i am open to answers from here also ;)
17:40<dr|z3d>Not a KDE user, but someone else may know. In the interim, you might wish to google for kde key remapping howto
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17:41<eljefe>i don't know what it would be remapping *to* tho; i would think its more of a dbus call or something, its not a key combo that i am simplifying (or is it?)
17:42<dr|z3d>Give that google query a go.. you may well find the answers you seek therein!
17:42<eljefe>i am
17:43<dr|z3d>http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_get_special_keys_to_work
17:43<dr|z3d>query: howto remap function keys kde
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18:09<aguitel>anyone is working with apt-spy?
18:10<ml|>aguitel: just ask a real question
18:10<linuxguy>ml|, sorry for the delay in areply, it was saaaid to me by the smxi people that the smxi way was not the best way to try out with squeeze, al i can say is that to an extent it works quite ok, but does not provide the resolution i need, as you pointed out i need to do things a little diffeerntly, i will now look at the page posted and see if i can get to what i need from the information there, thanks for your time, i have had a positive responce a
18:10<linuxguy>nd not an argumentative one from the people on #debian on freenode!!
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18:10<aguitel>ml|, how fix /etc/apt/sources.list
18:10<linuxguy>aguitel, thaanks for that post :)
18:11<aguitel>linuxguy, why
18:11<ml|>linuxguy: np; glad you understand the rules here
18:12<ml|>and good luck
18:13<ml|>aguitel: I don't use apt-spy; just ask a real question to the channel; /msg dpkg anyone and ask
18:13<aguitel>this is to find the fastest mirror
18:14<linuxguy>aguitel, the url ffr instaling nvidia on squeeze a while ago
18:14<aguitel>linuxguy, a ok
18:14<aguitel>linuxguy, it is working?
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18:15<ml|>linuxguy: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze and see if they match; the dpkg version works, don't know about the instructions on that link
18:16<linuxguy>ml|, i can tel you by now i would be ripping my hair out with the pple there, its been said "they only know one debian way"......and thats lenny, if it doessssnt work out.....who cares.......thats the attitude to most there
18:16<ml|>linuxguy: and also to try that you need to remove what smxi did on your system
18:16<linuxguy>aguitel, ive not tried yet
18:17<linuxguy>ml|, yes i will see what i can do there
18:17<linuxguy>bbl :)
18:17<ml|>linuxguy: I don't visit there, anyways you are here now ;)
18:18<babilen>linuxguy: We will help with the packages shipped by Debian - some people might not want to support testing/unstable. But please accept that we can't support third party software in here.
18:18<aguitel>linuxguy, in my system is working the url for nvidia is the same for that ml| are talking about
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18:22<ml|>aguitel: you wrote that page on that link?
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18:22<aguitel>ml|, no
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18:23<aguitel>ml|, what do you think about this page
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18:23<ml|>aguitel: ok, did you follow that or /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze?
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18:23<aguitel>ml|, i follow this page in one pc
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18:24<aguitel>ml|, why
18:24<ml|>aguitel: seems fine but I have not used it or looked at it closely
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18:24<aguitel>ml|, a ok
18:25<aguitel>ml|, i find with google
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18:25<ml|>aguitel: because if you are going to suggest that it must work for others; the instructions from dpkg we know work, understand?
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19:03<linuxguy>aguitel, sorry about this but the "ten commandments" i do this all as root in aterminal console?
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19:05<linuxguy> /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
19:08<ml|>linuxguy: for next time; please on ask in one network *only* here or in freenode #debian ; not both, thanks
19:09<linuxguy>ml|, i am only in here, no other channels or networks open
19:09<aguitel>linuxguy, yes
19:10<linuxguy>so who is saying i am in other networks??
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19:10<ml|>linuxguy: was about before, not now
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19:12<linuxguy>mlfah i see i was only trying to explain that i geyt better help and more understanding here, I was not trying to have a go at the other network.......i was merely pointing out......it was hard work
19:12<babilen>linuxguy: What is your status? Could you get rid of the smxi?
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19:13<ml|>linuxguy: I was just explaining for next time; we will try to help you
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19:14<Ox90>hey babilen, thanks for your help the other day. in the end i decided not to use LVM and just install it on top of the raid array. I was really confused because i did a full wipe of the disks using dd which took absolutley ages but the lvm install still failed with the volume group in use.
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19:15<linuxguy>ml|, ah i see,ok well i need help again, i have followed the instruction from dpkg and its done the update etc, and now it says building kernel source has failed
19:15<babilen>Ox90: Weird ..
19:16<ml|>linuxguy: did you take care of smxi like babilen asked?
19:16<ml|>that's step #1
19:16<linuxguy>babilen, i did not know how to get ris off or remove smxi i wa safraid of the attack off tty1 screen
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19:17<linuxguy>ml|, gow would i get rid off smxi i just wouldnt know sorry
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19:17<ml|>linuxguy: ask the people who made it; can try in #sidux maybe; but I don't know
19:18<babilen>me neither :-\
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19:19<ml|>and hopefully that did not screw your system up, some have reported nvidia.com drivers break their system; good luck
19:19<babilen>linuxguy: Where does "the Debian way" fail for you now? What is the error? Could you paste relevant output to a pastebin?
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19:19<babilen>linuxguy: That said: I am quite sure, that you have to get rid of the smxi stuff before we can proceed.
19:19<linuxguy>i was hoping everything would get over written, the error says i can view a log, want me to pastebun it for you guys helping me to look at?
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19:19<babilen>linuxguy: yes, please
19:20<ml|>yes, please ;)
19:20<router>Ox90: use a windows cd to format LVM away, then reinstall debian
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19:21<babilen>linuxguy: But you succeeded in creating the testing/unstable mix and all that?
19:22<babilen>!tell linuxguy -about pastebinit
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19:22<linuxguy>babilen, thats where i think i weent wrong disnt know what tum was
19:22<babilen>linuxguy: "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net FILE"
19:23<babilen>linuxguy: Whenever you see <foo> in a factoid you can ask dpkg about it (/msg dpkg foo)
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19:23<babilen>!tum
19:23<dpkg>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
19:23<babilen>linuxguy: You are running testing aren't you?
19:24<linuxguy>babilen, yes running testing, ah i get it now, i need ti edit sources list and add a coupe of lines.......the ten commandments dont make it that obvious
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19:25<babilen>linuxguy: Once you are done with that, paste the output of "apt-cache policy" - I would just like to make sure that you've configured that correctly.
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19:26<babilen>linuxguy: But I still doubt that it will work with the smxi cruft in place and I have no idea how to get rid of it. Does it have an uninstall option/target/functionality?
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19:28<linuxguy>babilen, i dont think it does, ive jjsut spotted an error on sources list, im going to try again now
19:29<babilen>linuxguy: You might have to ask #smxi about the uninstallation process
19:29<linuxguy>babilen, ok.......hang on asec i will ask them now
19:30<ml|>so there is an #smxi in oftc?
19:31<babilen>yeah
19:31<linuxguy>ml|, yes there is theres a few devs there
19:32<ml|>cool they should set you straight
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19:32<linuxguy>how do i create the sid/testing mix please?
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19:32<ml|>linuxguy: /msg dpkg tum and/or read above
19:32<babilen>linuxguy: dpkg already told you (/msg dpkg tum)
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19:33<linuxguy>linuxguy> dpkg tum
19:33<linuxguy><dpkg> I don't know, could you explain it?
19:33<babilen>linuxguy: The "edit sources.list" part means to include sid sources as well
19:33<babilen>!tell linuxguy -about tum
19:33<ml|>linuxguy: just like I said
19:34<azeem_>linuxguy: /msg dpkg tum, not /msg dpkg dpkg tum
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19:35<ml|>linuxguy: make sure you get the tim thing right
19:35<ml|>s/tim/tum/
19:36<johns>so, recently on unstable it appears xorg has stopped detecting my wacom devices at all (on an x200 tablet)
19:37<hever>How can I change the owner and group for a file in a tar archive? Or how can I replace a file wihtout chaning owner and group?
19:37<johns>wacom is not mentioned in Xorg.0.log, and xinput doesn't list them
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19:40<ml|>hever: you can use chown user:group file man chown; but what are you trying to do?
19:40<johns>lshal does show some wacom entries...
19:42<hever>ml|, I have to update files in an tar archive without changing owner, group or permission. the permission are not problematic, because I can use chmod. The owner and group seems to b a problem, because the user and group in the archive oesn't exist on my sys...
19:42<hever>Or are overwritten after adding a file...
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19:43<babilen>hever: you can provide UID and GID to chown
19:44<router>When I install Debian why can't LVM be spead over two drives? I can only install it to one drive then after the install I have to partition the second.
19:45<azeem_>router: how would that work?
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19:45<weasel>router: are you sure that's the case?
19:46<router>weasel: yes
19:46<router>azeem: I should be able to configure LVM completely while installing right?
19:49<linuxguy>ml|, i will, i am still waiting for answer to remove smxi 1st though, bfore i carry on :)
19:49<router>azeem: I would take the /home partition and strecth it to the second drive.
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19:51<hever>babilen, Ok I did, but if I take a look at the archive the owner is listed as 67 and not as the user name....
19:51<hever>I think I do it on the target system....
19:52<ml|>linuxguy: ok, that's a good idea
19:52<babilen>hever: As i said, you can use the UID and GID with chown (UID == 67 in your case)
19:52<hever>babilen, I did
19:53<linuxguy>ml|, ive cut \pasted a deb file and changed squeezw to sid main contrib non free like dpkg said to :)
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19:53<ml|>linuxguy: and the rest of tum?
19:53<babilen>linuxguy: Did you also set the default release? (that is *very* important)
19:53<hever>babilen, Then the UID is set to 67 and this value is used in the archive. Seems fine but it I list the contents the 67 is shown for the replaced file and the other files still have the correct user...
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19:53<ml|>yes vrry
19:54<babilen>hever: What is the "correct" user? What is that users UID?
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19:55<hever>It's listed as www. I don't know its UID. How can I show it? (I got it from extraction with -p flag)
19:55<hever>If I take a look with the buggy squeeze tool.
19:56<babilen>hever: take a look at /etc/passwd
19:56<hever>I've no www in my /etc/passwd
19:56<hever>the archive is from an other system...
19:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 398] by debhelper
19:57<babilen>hever: Yes, which is the reason for the UIDs to differ/be absent. But you are still shown 'www' as owner of these files on the system where www does not exist?
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19:58<hever>I see www if I list the contents with squeeze. I see 67 if I extract the archive with -p flag.
19:58<hever>(and ls -la)
19:59<babilen>well, the UID is 67 then. Not quite sure why www is listed if you peek inside the tar though
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19:59<ml|>hever: is it important to keep the permission intact for that file?
19:59<hever>yes, perms, owner, user
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19:59<babilen>hever: You basically want to make sure that you use the UIDs/GIDs of the *target* system :)
20:00<hever>yes
20:00<router>Anybody install LVM on two drives at the same time during a Debian installation?
20:00<hever>but this www listing from squeeze is confusing
20:00<hever>some files listed with www others are with 67 then... (as owner)
20:01<babilen>router: Can't you just create multiple PVs and VGs during the installation which you would then use to define your LVs?
20:01<babilen>hever: btw - what do you mean with "from squeeze" ?
20:01<router>babilen: I'll try that next time.
20:02<hever>squeeze is an xfce gui tool
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20:02<babilen>router: It's been a while since i installed the last box, but I don't remember having problems setting up a complete LVM configuration (PVs, VGs, ...)
20:03<babilen>hever: Ah, never heard of it. (squeeze == Debian testing for me)
20:03<babilen>hever: Try to list it with: 'tar -tvf <file>'
20:03<hever>ah ok, and there it has to be ;) are you using stable on your desktop?
20:04<router>babilen: I did not have a problem setting up the LVs and PVs. I just could not get them on to a second drive.
20:04<hever>I'll do it on the target system not
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20:05<babilen>router: In LVM you combine multiple PVs (from both drives for example) into VGs and use that space for LVs
20:06<babilen>router: I am quite sure that you can create VGs in the installer with PVs from both drives
20:06<babilen>router: But as I said: It's been a while :)
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20:07<router>babilen: I'll try it next time I do a reinstall. I do recall an article that someone wrote having the same problem. Maybe we are both doing something wrong.
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20:08<babilen>router: I am not 100% sure that it is possible, but i remember creating quite complex setups during the installation and I would be surprised if using 2 drives wouldn't work
20:09<linuxguy>babilen, the default release?
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20:09<babilen>linuxguy: The echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf part
20:10<router>babilen: cool.
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20:12<router>babilen: here is the article http://beginlinux.wordpress.com/2010/02/20/debian-installer/
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20:18<babilen>router: I never used the guided partitioning ... No idea, bugs happen and i'm not sure what really caused this.
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20:19<router>babilen: Manually partitioning could be the trick....
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20:21<azeem_>router: wait, are you using guided partitioning and complaining that not everything is possible?
20:21<babilen>so it seems
20:23<router>azeem_: Okay... I see the problem. Guided partitioning was faster that is why I choose it.
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20:24<azeem_>it's certainly easier (and the partitioner isn't so great usability-wise), but tricky setups should be done using the manual partitioner
20:24<router>azeem_: Yes....
20:26<router>azeem_: It makes sense now. I could have sworn that I was able to apply LVM to two drives a long time ago. I must have chosen manual partitioning.
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20:28<linuxguy>ml|, its almost competed now without problems with build etc, but i have got this now, can i post it here?
20:28<azeem_>got what?
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20:29<ml|>linuxguy: not here use a pastebin /msg dpkg pastebin
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20:30<linuxguy>ml|, http://pastebin.com/paP31Fhq its there to many lines
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20:31<ml|>linuxguy: but did you remove that smxi stuff? and nvidia.com stuff? and not sure what's going on there
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20:35<linuxguy>mlf i didnt get a relpy from smxi guys, changing the errors i saw in sources.list let the build finish, before i got a failed, this time it was successful, now i see that and i dont know what to do
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20:36<linuxguy>ill go for yes, maybe its not required, my debian squeeze was netinstall only yesterday
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20:40<ml|>linuxguy: looks like that package is not available; from what I see here; but I don't know what you should
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20:44<linuxguy>ml|, maybe its obsolete in latest build of squeeze.......maybe its got new name or been incorprated \ mixed elseware........i will just say yes.......if it screwed up i can report it from a lappy, its no problem for me, if its fine i can let you know fine by me to
20:45<linuxguy>ml|, ok its installing nvidia, nvidia settings and the glx stuff :)
20:45<ml|>linuxguy: sure, you might need to reinstall anyways
20:45<ml|>great
20:46<linuxguy>has installed no probs here........i need to log out/in or just reboot pc now?
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20:47<linuxguy>oh its not finished doing some more stuff.......paused for a bit
20:47<ml|>linuxguy: no keep following dpkg
20:47<ml|>any news on removing smxi?
20:48<amphi>just keep applying the ointment
20:48<ml|>heh
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21:04<gord> /msg dpkg etch->lenny
21:05<gord>< bored and bad with this kbd :))
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21:06<linuxguy>ml|, still no one in on smxi i seem to think its worked, gonna reboot now and see what happens :)
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21:07<ml|>linuxguy: did you finish with what dpkg said?
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21:07<linuxguy>ml|, yes all the way to xconfig
21:08<ml|>ok, good luck; I would like too know how it works out
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21:08<linuxguy>oh bugger i forget clocks have gone forward here
21:08<linuxguy>brb
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21:09<gord>clocks - good point, better have a walk around here too
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21:18<linuxguy>ml|, im here on alappy, got server errors on rebooting, no screens found :(, i can only point things in this direction because ive had this problem to many times and its comes to nvidia/nvidia kernel builds because i do not think my card is supported for debian based distros, i think nvidia are hoping that the devs and the users community can make a driver work for a 1gb card
21:19<ml|>linuxguy: what is the model in question?
21:19<grimnar>look at /etc/x11/xorg.conf and comment out fglrx
21:19<grimnar>thats my tip :)
21:19<ml|>I think it's more of smxi issue now
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21:19<grimnar>(hey, I just joined)
21:19<grimnar>:)
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21:20<grimnar>So I only saw that line
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21:21<karl_>Hey all, I'm new to Linux, and I alreayd love it btw :), Erm, I am trying to do a video of my screen using gtk-recordmydesktop, but when it plays back, the hues and the colors are wrong, for example, it is replacing the blues on my action bars with browns :S Any ideas? thanks in advance
21:21<linuxguy>ml|, its the 9500gt card 1gb, the reason i am blaming nvidia is that 90% of the didtro i have used the card on i get abuitifull crisp reolution, as soon as i install the drivers either it be debian fedoras rpmfusion, i get dreaded tty1 screen, only distro it works flawlessly with is sabayon
21:21<gord>Q - anyone using ZFS-fuse? just wondering if it's fast enough / stable enough to try out a spare box with squeeze ir sid for some playing/testing. I'm currently all Lenny.
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21:23<grimnar>linuxguy: "no screens found" thats the only error you get?
21:24<grimnar>and what driver have you installed? official of the debian way?
21:24<grimnar>of = or
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21:25<linuxguy>grimnar yes the debian way, unable to connect to x server, failed to load nvidia kernel module, even though everything installed fine its the damned card /driver issue.gonna bung ati in it next week
21:25<ml|>linuxguy: is was a i386 install right?
21:26<grimnar>you done this via m-a prepare I guess?
21:26<gord>karl_, what video card/chip do you have?
21:26<grimnar>heh, atleast m-a
21:26<linuxguy>ml|, i have a dual core atlon pc with squeeze i386 installed so i have not used any 64bit drivers
21:27<ml|>linuxguy: that card should work fine ... http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.25.html
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21:27<ml|>judd versions nvidia-glx
21:27<judd>nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-1
21:29<ml|>linuxguy: but at this point I would reinstall stable and then move to testing if that's what you want and try again with what dpkg told you and what you did
21:30<linuxguy>ml|,it loaded a 195 driver, the 173 drivers shouldnt work....but i still have smxi installed i can try and go back and install an earlier driver
21:30<grimnar>change "nvidia" to "nv" is done I assume?
21:31<ml|>linuxguy: remember you have a mess of smxi and normal things in your current install
21:32<ml|>best thing to do is what I suggested above, but do what you like of course; good luck
21:32<gord>karl_, what video card/chipset do you have? for gtk-recordmydesktop colors question (welcome to linux btw)
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21:37<linuxguy>mlthanks i appreciate all your advice and time here, i honestly blame nvidia and the card drivers not being fully comptible, and nvidia are hoping debians guys will get it fixed, i used lenny for ages and had the same problems with the same card, bung an ati card in.and luvvly jubbly it was fine
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21:40<linuxguy>ml|, last message i posted was meant for you sorry
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21:41<ml|>linuxguy: and that card works fine? could it be hardware related?
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21:44<ml|>linuxguy: how long did you use it with sabayon? only distro that worked fine you said? if it worked fine there and no hardware issues _now_, it should work just fine in debian
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21:45<linuxguy>mlyes the card worked fine, i do not think its the card i have because ive just installed sabayon 5.2 on livedvd with the resolution i need, so its got ne now nvidia passing debian off with poor quality drivers, even the opengl screensavers work fluidly from dvd drive
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21:46<ml|>it should work just fine in debian then
21:46<linuxguy>ggrr i keep forgeting tab key
21:47<ml|>:)
21:47<gord>ml|: last time i casually tried sabayon it was very cutting edge, though stable. all from source
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21:47<gord>i was a lttle lost haha
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21:48<ml|>never used it so I nothing about it
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21:48<gord>mlj: gentoo-based
21:48<ml|>yes
21:49<gord>mlj: wonder if they have something more recent in that area
21:50<linuxguy1>ml|, yes thats what i was thinking to.but something is stopping it , it wont work with fedora either, kubuntu etc is ok, about this time last year i was given a script from a dev to get the card working and it was great, but ive moved 3 times since then so's my pc stuff
21:50<linuxguy1>gord theres 2 recent releases out they are on distrowatches list
21:50<ml|>linuxguy: you ask in #sabayon on irc.freenode.net for what is used in their livecd/system for your card to work and try the same in debian; most likely they use nvidia.com drivers, remember not supported here tho
21:50<ml|>* can
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21:52<gord>linuxguy: i downloaded not booted 5.2 yet. maybe you could compare configs across the distros? or maybe yu already have..sorry just joined half hour ago
21:52<kulk>join #debian-es
21:53<gord>but i dont speak spanish :)
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21:53<kulk>XD
21:53<kulk>sorry
21:53<ml|>kulk: /join ....
21:53<kulk>yes yes
21:53<gord>np ;)
21:53<ml|>ok
21:54<kulk>bye
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21:56<grimnar>So I finally fixed the /dev/sda situation and got my raid1 setup up and running, but Im still not sure if one of the disk are quite ok
21:56<grimnar>How can I check this, I have checked with classic mdadm --detail and such
21:56<ml|>grimnar: what was the issue and fix?
21:56<grimnar>Im not sure
21:56<gord>grimnar: yeah i was gonna skif ok tonight
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21:57<gord>*ask
21:57<grimnar>but normaly there is a resync process of a few hours when I add one disk
21:57<grimnar>Resync and stuff
21:57<grimnar>But now it was nothing
21:57<grimnar>gord: pardon?
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21:58<gord>grimnar: I was on last night with your grub downgrade - "ask if all ok today"
21:58<grimnar>ah, yeah
21:58<grimnar>Of course
21:58<grimnar>Working like a charm
21:58<grimnar>:D
21:58<gord>cool
21:58<linuxguy1>ml|, i know.......maybe maybe they know how to "tweak" the drivers and make them work far better.or nvidia are passing off poor drivers hoping for a solution?
21:58<grimnar>:D
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21:59<ml|>linuxguy1: I have no idea
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22:00<linuxguy1>ml|, its ok, thanks again for your help and advice, i think next week i will not have the same probs with the ati card
22:00<ml|>linuxguy1: np; good luck
22:00<linuxguy1>bl
22:00<linuxguy1>bbl
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22:03<teage>arent linux OS's writen in C as a whole with a bunch of python programs?
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22:05<teage>Ive been learning python and i started wondering what language my linux is processing if i use gedit and a script ".sh"
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22:06<sney>teage: the kernel is written entirely in C, utilities are written in whatever the author felt like using, mostly C but a lot of python and perl and bash etc as well
22:06<sney>.sh is shell script, generally bash
22:06<linuxguy1>ml|, have you ever heard of a distro called openmamba?..based on something called linuxIQ a couple of years ago?..something ive never come across properly to the linuxIQ stuff
22:07<teage>yes but the script is a language is it not?
22:07<teage>which im assuming its C
22:07<sney>no, it's a scripting language.
22:07<teage>ic
22:07<gord>teage: you can set the shell interpreter for anything you want with the #!/bin/whatever line at the top
22:08<gord>is "interpreter the correct word? sysadmin here, not coder haha
22:08<sney>gord: yep
22:08<sney>well, I'm a sysadmin too. but I know the answer!
22:08<gord>he
22:09<teage>Ok this brings me to my next question, If windows is writen in C and is vulnerable to virus etc, then why is not linux vulnerable?
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22:09<sney>teage: linux is definitely vulnerable.
22:09<gord>teage: oh, big long anwser coming on i feel
22:09<teage>To viruses? sney?
22:09<gord>yep certainly
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22:10<sney>the question isn't whether there are holes to exploit, it's whether anyone bothers exploiting them. if you're a black hat hacker and you want to make a botnet, do you go after the huge number of windows machines, or the much smaller number of linux/other UNIX machines?
22:10<gord>teage: it's not the language they use but the care used by the coders, threat surface, patch regime, user knowledge etc etc etc
22:11<teage>there seems to be some misconception somewhere, i have read over and over that, there are no known virus for linux unix alike.
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22:11<teage>this is interesting
22:11<ml|>and also depends on the admin
22:11<sney>I don't know of any viruses
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22:11<sney>well, there are a couple windows viruses that can infect samba shares, but that's a different story
22:11<sney>you *could* make a virus for linux, just nobody has that I'm aware of
22:12<gord>teage: mlj is so right haha. wine isn't a good plan on a production sevrer, for example
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22:12<ml|>linuxguy1: no I have not; talk of other distro's here is offtopic btw
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22:18<linuxguy1>ml|, sorry.i understand.its just that debian repos are there to
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22:19<ml|>linuxguy1: /msg dpkg based on debian ; will explain
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22:20<linuxguy1>ml|, its ok debian is debian, and rlated debian based distros only like sid, testing mentiomed
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22:22<grimnar>Okay, my raid 1 setup refuses to "keep" one of the disk when I restart mdadm, so it get degraded
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22:22<grimnar>I knew, something was wrong!
22:22<grimnar>gets
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22:23<ml|>linuxguy1: just explaining some rules and sid/unstable, testing are just different debian releases /msg dpkg releases ; for explanation
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22:31<linuxguy1>ml|, yes i completely understand.just as a try out have installed sabayon 5.2 released yesterday and i get the reolution i need, very strange that i cant get it with debian and fedora, like you said earlier i must ask the reason why in their fotums and not here. i will also ask nvidia to and post a mesage/ replies in the forums :)
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22:33<skibo>whats up folks
22:35<ml|>linuxguy1: remember what I said before, I would try with fresh install etc... and then if that does not work go a different route, ask sabayon etc...
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22:36<butters>So this would be the place for a newb to ask Debian related questions, yes?
22:36<ml|>yes, just ask the channel
22:39<linuxguy1>ml|, yes i will do that with a different card, that way i can eliminate a vrd/didtro issue and if nvidia can tell me where the problems are as well would be very helpful to i will be honest if i shop around i very rarely see this 1gb card around the shops here in the uk, playing on lin games is unreal i get nearly 5k a sec
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22:40<stsm>is it usefull (and allowed / not offtopic) to ask about crosscompiling here? or is that #emdebian only?
22:40<stsm>not too many people in there, all afk atm
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22:43<butters>well, I installed Debian via dvd onto a computer, however, it didn't have the drivers for my ethernet card and i cant see any ethernet devices in ifconfig, but lspci says that the ethernet device is there
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22:44<stsm>butters, what does ifconfig say? (in case you didnt try yet)
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22:45<butters>just the loopback device
22:45<butters>also, lspci shows my wifi card as well, but it also doesnt show up in ifconfig
22:46<skibo>have you tried to type sudo wicd
22:46<skibo>to turn it on
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22:49<stsm>ifconfig eth0 up maybe
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22:50<butters>ifconfig eth0 up just gives an error
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22:50<stevecotton>have you used the -a option to ifconfig?
22:50<stsm>what error does it give?
22:50<butters>no such device
22:51<stsm>yeah maybe it has another name for some reason
22:52<butters>wouldnt NetworkManager be able to detect it?
22:52<stevecotton>what does lspci say it is?
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22:52<butters>an ethernet controller
22:52<stsm>its not like its much work to just try and see if any interfaces get listed with -a is it? lol
22:53<stsm>you never know
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22:53<butters>none
22:53<stsm>that's so annoying :(
22:53<stevecotton>does lspci say what model of ethernet controller it is?
22:53<gsimmons>butters: It would be useful to know the PCI IDs of your Ethernet and wireless LAN devices (lspci -nn).
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22:54<butters>is that the two hex numbers?
22:54<stsm>its strange that both of them don't work, i'm curious what the problem will and up being
22:54<stsm>*end
22:55<butters>assumming it is: 8086:3b30
22:55<butters>ohw ait
22:56<grimnar>what computer is it?
22:56<butters>i mean 14e4:1692
22:56<stsm>its probably most clear if you just paste the 2 lines completely
22:56<grimnar>brand
22:57<grimnar>typing 2 lines of data looking a 2 screens = takes about 30 mins
22:57<grimnar>:D
22:57<butters>02:00.0 Ethernet Controller 0200]: Broadcom Corporation Device [14e4:1692] (rev 01)
22:57<stsm>oh yeah oops sorry lol
22:57<stsm>i didnt think of that....
22:57<stsm>you cant paste
22:57<butters>I dont mind typing it
22:58<Arrowmaster>hmm broadcom....
22:58<butters>its an acer aspire 5740-5513
22:58<grimnar>okay
22:58*stsm hates acer
22:58<butters>lol
22:58<stsm>i got an acer too
22:58<stsm>sometimes it resets out of the blue :-o
22:58<stsm>all OSes
22:58<grimnar>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne
22:59<gsimmons>butters: And the other wireless LAN device?
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23:00<butters>04:00.0 Network Controller [0280]: Atheros Communications Inc. Device [168c:002a] (rev 01)
23:01<gsimmons>judd: pciid 14e4:1692
23:01<judd>[14e4:1692] is 'NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1692
23:01<gsimmons>judd: pciid 168c:002a
23:01<judd>[168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k
23:01<gsimmons>butters: Both devices are not supported in Linux 2.6.26.
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23:02<butters>so I have to install sid?
23:03<stsm>is it usefull (and allowed / not offtopic) to ask about crosscompiling here? or is that #emdebian only?
23:03<grimnar>I belive I instsalled ath9k in testing a few weeks ago?
23:03<stsm>not toot many people over there and they are all afk
23:04<skibo>hey not to change the subject i updated my debian linux and now my fire fox wont work
23:05<stsm>whats the error? and don't you mean iceweasel?
23:05<grimnar>firefox in debian?
23:05<grimnar>..
23:05<grimnar>http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32288
23:05<stsm>skibo, in debian iceweasel is firefox, because the firefox logo is not free
23:05<grimnar>skibo: the link was for you
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23:06<gsimmons>butters: No, you can install a backported Linux 2.6.32 kernel image from lenny-backports (/msg dpkg bpo) to provide device support. You will need to acquire the relevant linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-* package independently, such as via a USB memory stick using another (Internet-connected) system.
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23:08<stsm>i used to use usb networking for my PDA, never did it with 2 host USB ports though, dunno if that's possible
23:08<ankush>hi
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23:09<skibo>thanks for the link....
23:10<butters>Also, is it weird that I CAN connect to the internet via usb?
23:11<stsm>via what usb device
23:11<butters>I'm not sure. But I can just connect my pc to my modem via usb and it works
23:12<butters>but not by ethernet cable
23:12<stsm>ah yeah lol
23:12<stsm>it probably works as a standard usb modem aswell as ethernet then :D
23:12<skibo>ok what if i got ubuntu
23:12<stsm>hahahah
23:13<stsm>then there's #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net i guess :p
23:13<skibo>yea...sorry........meant to post in ubuntu...sorry
23:14<grimnar>how can I stop aptitude from updating certain package?
23:14<butters>Thanks for the help
23:15<stsm>grimnar, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/prevent-apt-get-from-upgrading-a-package-449984/
23:16<stsm>is it usefull (and allowed / not offtopic) to ask about crosscompiling here? or is that #emdebian only?
23:17<grimnar>stsm: thanks
23:17<stsm>grimnar, no prob
23:18<klaymen>anyone know of some good open source font librarys online? struggling to find any at the moment
23:19<stsm>klaymen, http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Existing_free_fonts
23:19*stsm the googlebot
23:19<grimnar>:D
23:19<stsm>(query was" GPL fonts)
23:20<grimnar>hah, that was easy stsm :D
23:20<grimnar>Thanks again and good nigth! :)
23:21<stsm>grimnar, goodnight
23:21<stsm>no prob
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23:21<klaymen>cheers mate
23:21<stsm>yw
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23:22<vinicius>does anyone have any idea of an assembly debugger for x86_64?
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23:22<vinicius>ive been trying to compile ald, but it seems it doesnt work on 64 bits.
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23:23<ankush>can any1 help me in this http://sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=20325&highlight=
23:24<sney>sidux is not supported here
23:24<sney>!sidux
23:24<dpkg>hmm... sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net.
23:24<ankush>but this is debian
23:24<sney>no
23:24<sney>it's based on it, maybe
23:25<sney>but that's not good enough, if you want debian support you have to use debian
23:25<ankush>hmm
23:26<ankush>ok how abt ubuntu?
23:26<sney>nope
23:26<stsm>hahahah
23:26<stsm>this is hilarious :D
23:26<ankush>ok how abt sid
23:26<sney>!sid
23:26<dpkg>sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.
23:27<ankush>when everything is debian then why segregate channeld
23:27<stsm>ankush, they took debian, and adepted it to their own thing
23:27<sney>by that token, you're off topic twice because you're using a livecd distro based on the unstable part of debian, neither of which are supported here
23:27<stsm>so its just not debian
23:27<stsm>its edifferent developers etc
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23:27<sney>we can't support every randomly changed debian derivative that we don't personally use. it's impossible.
23:28<ankush>mine problem is not a broken package or sometihng it is to do with orinocoo firmware..wich has been faced by all
23:28<sney>then ask in #sidux
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23:28<ankush>i faced the same problem on all the flavours of linux i used
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23:28<sney>well when you are using debian and have the same problem you can come back
23:29<ankush>how will u come to know i lknow debian or not?
23:29<ankush>or if i am on debian
23:29<stsm>you will see :p
23:29<ankush>hmm o i get the point
23:29<stsm>allready??? :o
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23:31<sney>it's like, yes, let's introduce the inherent instability of sid to the clueless knoppix crowd
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23:32<stsm>sney, its like going to a linux channel asking if they can help you with windows xp problems, no? ok how about macosx? no? oh, you surely support vista then?
23:33<MrNaz>has raid support in the linux kernel gotten to the point that i can book debian 5 off a raid10 set ?
23:33<MrNaz>boot*
23:33<sney>MrNaz: good question. I think squeeze can but I'm not sure
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23:34<MrNaz>coz i need to build a nas and i favor raid10 but i'm putting them into a rackmount and havent go enough space to dedicate a special boot drive
23:34<MrNaz>pysical space that is
23:34<MrNaz>i only have 4 drive bays
23:35<sney>no hardware raid adapter?
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23:36<stsm>MrNaz, boot USB stick :p
23:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 384] by debhelper
23:37<MrNaz>stsm i'm not sure if having a usb stick sticking out the front of a rack of servers is a good idea :P one careless brush with a bundle of cables will tear it out, breaking the nas
23:37<stsm>if you dont mind it sticking out though
23:38<stsm>MrNaz, lol i was thinking this was a home thing :)
23:38<MrNaz>haha no
23:38<sney>put it in the back! :D
23:38<stsm>at home i wouldnt mind :p
23:38<MrNaz>if this was a home thing i'd just buy one of those cheap netgear or thecus nas units
23:38<sney>anyway I think 2.6.32 supports booting off of md arrays
23:38<sney>so, squeeze
23:38<MrNaz>cool
23:39<sney>no guarantees
23:39<MrNaz>squeeze is the current testing right?
23:39<sney>yep
23:39<MrNaz>so
23:39<MrNaz>usb stick or -testing
23:39<MrNaz>neither of those really belongs in a data centre :P
23:40<sney>you might be able to wrangle it with a kmuto installer, those have newer kernels
23:40<MrNaz>this isnt urgent
23:40<MrNaz>i could wait for squeeze to become stable
23:40<MrNaz>so long as we're still in the new age of sub-decade debian release cycles heh
23:41<sney>yeah, it's supposed to be sometime this year maybe
23:41<stsm>lol then your nas has not generated any money for a long time
23:41<stsm>and it gets older
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23:43<stsm>is it usefull (and allowed / not offtopic) to ask about crosscompiling here? or is that #emdebian only?
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23:47<mm>hello
23:48<mm>atheros 8132 network driver can not be install
23:48<mm>could you please help me ?
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23:49<gsimmons>mm: What Debian version are you using?
23:50<Cygnus>Updating from etch to lenny any aditional suggestiom from the ones on the topic?
23:50<mm>sorry
23:50<mm>here can not finds the net device
23:51<mm>so I have benn trying to use multi arch debian DVD
23:51<mm>so it still can not applied the net card driver device
23:51<mm>atheros AR8132 chipset
23:52<mm>gigabit , mother board, made in china
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23:52<mm>pentium e5300, central process
23:53<kop>Cygnus: Read the release notes at debian.org.
23:53<mm>but Fedora will be install well
23:53<mm>f11 or f12
23:53<mm>both well
23:54<gsimmons>mm: The chipset is supported by the atl1c driver, added in Linux 2.6.30. You can use the kmuto installer for device support during Debian installation.
23:54<gsimmons>dpkg: tell mm -about kmuto
23:54<Cygnus>kop: Did you find anything relevant, this machine has been running i believe since potatoe?
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23:56<Cygnus>Never mind, night is still young and it can make a good night reading.
23:56<kop>Cygnus: I've not been following your thread. I find that unless the release notes are followed (and even then) trouble ensues. The release notes have a bug etch->lenny. You need to do "aptitude install aptitude apt-get" first thing or else some sort of apt something does not get updated.
23:56<sney>stsm: I'd ask what your cross compile question is, but last time I did anything about that, the newest gcc was 2.95 :x
23:57<kop>Cygnus: There's a thread in the bts. I think it might be filed against "release"??
23:57<stsm>sney, ok, comming up
23:57<stsm>can i choose to compile just a few programs of my choice to static binaries, while not having to take care of dependencies manually?
23:57<stsm>crosscompile i mean of course
23:57<sney>I think so yes
23:57<stsm>reading about apt-cross and dpkg-cross but i think what i try to do is something that's not very common, can't find something about it so far
23:58<stsm>system type: ADI Fusiv Core | cpu model: Lexra LX4189 V0.0
23:58<Cygnus>kop: thx i'll take a look, got to reboot now. Kernel just finished upgrading
23:58<stsm>misses a few instructions from what i read, but i got an external toolchain for it that so far worked fine, also for other people
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23:58<sney>I don't even know what architecture that is.
23:58<sney>ARM maybe?
23:58<stsm>sney, its mips
23:58<sney>ah, mips
23:58<stsm>sney, its a home router :)
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23:59<stsm>sney, its allready running linuw, and i got a root shell
23:59<stsm>*linux
23:59<sney>my home router is a PC running debian that is also my home media server
23:59<stsm>i got a few static binaries allready, but i thought it would be best to look for some system
23:59<stsm>to take care of dependencies and such
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