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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-03-29

---Logopened Mon Mar 29 00:00:10 2010
00:03<zerofrancisco>Is there a difference, in terms of security or "cleanness" between doing 'su -' instead of 'su'
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00:04<dr|z3d>zerofrancisco: man su
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00:09<danzo>hi jmm
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00:16<chealer>I'm getting http://paste.debian.net/66363/ as output for $ synclient -l
00:16<chealer>is this a known issue?
00:18<sney>dunno, is it in bts?
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00:21<Lanz>Has anyone had any luck getting strigi to work in Debian? Specifically, under KDE 4.3 (unstable)?
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00:48<zerofrancisco>dr|z3d: thanks
00:49<sworn4>fcuk
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00:50<johnfg>hi guys
00:50<sworn4>hi stup
00:50<johnfg>I would like to be able to mount an ext4 filesystem, but mount doesn't recognize it.
00:50<johnfg>Is there a workaround for this?
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00:51<sney>johnfg: on lenny? install a backported kernel that has ext4 support
00:52<johnfg>sney, Yup, on Lenny.
00:52<sney>!bpo
00:52<dpkg>backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list>
00:52<sney>grab the appropriate 2.6.32 from there ^ and you will be all set
00:52<johnfg>Nothing less drastic than that, eh?
00:53<sney>it's hardly drastic, a few minutes download and a reboot
00:53<johnfg>sney, OK, I'll give it a try.
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00:57<sworn4>hi jmm
00:58<johnfg>sney, OK, all done except for grabbing the kernel. Do you use synaptic package manager to do it?
00:58<sney>I'd just do it with aptitude, but synaptic should work as well
00:58<sney>they all talk to the same system
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01:01<johnfg>sney, So how would I do it with aptitude, aptitude install <what?> How do I know the name?
01:01<sney>aptitude search 2.6.32
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01:02<sworn4><uboats> so, even the oldest 0.1 version of solang, I failed to compile it.
01:02<sworn4><uboats> however, I just find that only the lastest ubuntu contains solang
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01:02<sney>there should be one that's something like 2.6.32-bpo.3 with your architecture on the end
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01:03<johnfg>sney, Right, I was just gonna ask. Here's what I have now:
01:03<johnfg>Linux church 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
01:04<sney>yeah so it should be 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 for you
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01:04<johnfg>Will aptitude install all the headers and stuff automatically, like how it's done when you update a kernel in fedora?
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01:05<johnfg>Just thinking...I've got a kernel change to use openafs...will I need to recompile it?
01:06<zerofran>I was waiting for the new kernel, not trunk, for the power management (fan control specifically) to work correctly, specs at http://paste.debian.net/66369 and 66370
01:06<sney>johnfg: if you needed to build a module for something else you'll need to do it again, unless 2.6.32 has builtin support for whatever it is you needed
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01:08<sworn4>hi jmm
01:08<sney>johnfg: headers can be installed with aptitude or synaptic, just get what matches your kernel.
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01:11<cmorillo>Is there an app to watch youtube videos if I don't want to use a browser?
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01:12<jm_>you can download them with tools like youtube-dl or clive and play with mplayer
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01:59<adelodder>hi, after my last system upgrade (27 march). I have been unable to use my logitech bluetooth keyboard to log in.
02:00<adelodder>Pin: release a=stable
02:00<adelodder>Pin-Priority: 600
02:00<adelodder>Package: *
02:00<adelodder>Pin: release a=testing
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02:02<adelodder>I use following setup > http://paste.debian.net/66375/
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02:05<adelodder>could a roll-back on a particular package help me out of this?
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02:11<adelodder>$ dmesg |grep tooth returns following > http://paste.debian.net/66378
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02:14<Tenacity>Hi. Is it okay to ask a eggdrop question?
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02:27<mika_video>Has anyone managed to compile kaffeine under debian lanny so that the final executable actually works? - I tried 0.8.8 but after finally got it to compile and link ok, the final executable did not work properly.
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03:05<techkyle>Hmm.. I guess I get to be one of those guys that hop in to chat and go "My system doesn't work. Halp!", so I'll try to keep it short.
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03:06<techkyle>Gateway Solo 5300 laptop booted off of a 5.04 i386 cd, but would always freeze at "Booting kernel".
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03:06<techkyle>Tried Ubuntu, would freeze at a black screen.
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03:08<techkyle>Set up a PXE boot using tftp32 for Windows, which actually boots, but freezes at "serial 0000:00:0d.1: PCI INT A -> Link[LNKA] -> GSI 10 (level, low) -> IRQ 10"
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03:13<jm_>did you try the options mentioned in help screens on cd?
03:13<techkyle>Now I'm stuck. I thought the optical drive was going bad, hence trying to boot off of PXE. Old BIOS doesn't seem to like booting off of USB devices. I've tried a few options like "start_pcmcia false". Keeps freezing at the same spot.
03:14<techkyle>A few, but I don't remember which ones off hand. I'm having trouble booting from CD now.
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03:15<jm_>but not acpi/apic related ones?
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03:17<techkyle>Perhaps not. From PXE, I don't have a menu to choose off of anymore, but if you know some boot parameters, I could give them a try.
03:19<jm_>read the help screens, it should mention them: noapic nolapic acpi=off pci=nommc etc.
03:20<jmm>hi.
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03:21<techkyle>I tried looking through the different boot parameters in Debian's documentation ( http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s03.html.en ), looking for anything relating to hardware detection.
03:23<jm_>not sure if they are mention there, but cd help screens should mention them, let's see
03:24<techkyle>Just tried noacip with no luck.
03:24<jm_>that's not the one I mentioned
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03:25<jm_>yup mentioned in f6 help screen
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03:49<hawk>Does security.debian.org have ipv6 connectivity issues?
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03:55<vlc>Алло! Здесь есть русские ?
03:55<@Ganneff>!ru
03:55<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
03:55<vlc>ok
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04:22<vlc>Hello. I need help to configured Red5. Please help me. I installed red5. As camera i use Pinnacle Dazzle DVC 90/DVC 100. FlashPlayer v10. When i captured Videostream - i get bed quality of video.
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04:22<vlc>How i decision this problem ?
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04:29<KERO>YES
04:29<KERO>HELLO
04:29<KERO>KERO HERE
04:32<muzy>hello KERO
04:33<muzy>would you mind to disable your capslock?
04:33<KERO>I CAN'T
04:33<KERO>SORRY
04:33<KERO>I'D LIKE +O PKEASE
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04:34<muzy>KERO, it's a bit weird, isn't it?
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04:34<KERO>AWAITING OPERATOR STATUS
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04:36<muzy>KERO, you are not a channel operator so you won't get +o
04:36<KERO>I WOULD LIKE OPERATOR STATUS
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04:37<muzy>so please stay on topic or join #debian-offtopic
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04:38<_pepo_>hi friends
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04:39<_pepo_>when do squeeze will be stable?
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04:40<themill>!wwsr
04:40<dpkg>Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html
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05:10<assa>Hi, I need to do a dec to hex conversion in dhcpd.conf. Is there a way to do this?
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05:11<hawk>assa: A way to do what exactly?
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05:17<assa>hawk: I have a string-option, representing a decimal value and I want to, somehow, convert it to a string-option that represents the same value but in hexadecimal
05:18<jm_>you can use calculators for this
05:18<assa>"11" -> "0b"
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05:18<assa>jm_: in dhcpd.conf?
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05:18<jm_>assa: no, before putting it in dhcpd.conf
05:18<assa>jm_: that is not possible
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05:19<themill>!wayttd assa
05:19<dpkg>What Are You Trying To Do, assa?
05:19<jm_>heh
05:19<themill>or my precisely... "why"
05:19<_pepo_>kvm have problems with 2.6.32-3; is there some patch or something like that?
05:19<assa>that's not the question. the question is if it is possible
05:24<themill>assa: probably not. Probably because no-one can see a use for it because it's such a strange thing to be trying to do. That's normally a sign that you're approaching the problem from the wrong direction... and that's why people as "what are you trying to do" "and why".
05:27<assa>themill: yes, I understand that. It is quite complex, but I can only tell that the system is currently built up in a specific way and the only way to handle it is to do a conversion at the dhcpd.conf
05:27<mocra>i want to install a network printer, have i to work with cups?
05:27<assa>is it possible to execute external applications from dhcpd.conf to do string conversions?
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05:32<hawk>assa: I think that, if you really really want to go ahead along that path... the only answer is "use the source, Luke"
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05:33<themill>that and "you're doing it all wrong"
05:33<hawk>Well, I feel that had already been expressed quite clearly
05:34<assa>I would have done it in another way if I could, but I do not have that possibility now
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05:36<hawk>If you say so...
05:36<dr|z3d>Self-fulfilling prophecies, self-defeating perspectives..
05:36*dr|z3d chuckles.
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05:37<enteL>lol
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05:41<assa>no ideas how to do?
05:43*dr|z3d hands assa a cluestick and a pot of source marked "Luke's supply".
05:43<assa>dr|z3d: :)
05:44<assa>I think I'm ending up in the dark side
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05:45<jmm>!pastebin
05:45<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
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05:50<mocra>i am able to print a test page via the cups-web-interface, but if i want to print via lpr i get the error message "unknown printer - do i have to configurate something so that lpr knows my printer too?
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05:54<jm_>mocra: lpr from cups-bsd package?
05:55<mocra>jm_, yeah
05:55<jm_>mocra: is your printer set as default?
05:56<mocra>no, but i give the name as parameter
05:56<jm_>you can set it as default in cups config or with lpadmin command
05:57<mocra>is this necessary? lp knows the printer
05:58<jm_>it sends to default if no specific printer is specified
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05:58<mocra>yeah but "lpr printername filename" sends to $printername, not?
05:59<jm_>-P is for destination
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05:59<mocra>sorry, forgot -P, i mean "lpr -P printername filename"
06:00<mocra>"lp -d printername filename" works, but "lpr -P printername filename" does not
06:01<jm_>let me test here
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06:02<jm_>hmm works fine for me
06:02<tweber>mocra, anything in cups' log files?
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06:03<mocra>tweber, nothing
06:04<jm_>I can see it connecting to cups socket
06:04<mocra>jm_, with lpr -P printername filename
06:05<jm_>mocra: yeah
06:05<mocra>hmm
06:05<jm_>mocra: strace will show it
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06:06<mocra>jm_ i dont use strace ;)
06:06<mocra>may i should restart cups.d?
06:06<jm_>unlikely that'll help when lp works
06:08<mocra>btw, what are the differences between lp and lpr, i found sth about lpr is the off-line printer, but it doesn't mean anything to me..
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06:10<jm_>lp is cups, lpr is older one
06:10<mocra>k
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06:22<mocra>it works :)
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06:22<mocra>somewhere was a problem between cups and my lpr version..
06:22<mocra>http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=98745&sid=7fa05ba6391c3154a0d5de29e538d53f&start=15
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06:22<mocra>jm_, if you are intressted and understand german ;)
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06:24<happier>ls
06:24<happier>ls
06:24<happier>djj:
06:24<happier>donfede:
06:24<happier>cd djj
06:24<happier>ls
06:24<happier>dir
06:24<happier>ls
06:24<happier>happier
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06:25<jm_>mocra: a mismatch of libraries or what?
06:27<mocra>jm_ hmm, don't know exactly
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06:34<Ox90>my manager wants a good printed book on debian, anyone have any recommendations? he is beginner level
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06:37<tweber>What direction for the book? Desktop user?
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06:40<Ox90>administrator
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06:41<themill>!debian system
06:41<dpkg>"The Debian System" is a book written by Debian Developer Martin F Krafft aka madduck. It's an excellent resource for learning about how Un*x and in particular Debian systems run and how to look after them. Also ask me about <grounding>. http://debiansystem.info/
06:42<themill>It's a little dated now though.
06:42<tweber>themill, I have actually read the book and I'm not sure it is really a good ressource for administering a system.
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06:50<Bacteria>One could also try this page http://www.debian.org/doc/books
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06:57<Ox90>themill, second edition is released in september. Bacteria, checked that page out, i'll have to see if there is a printed edition as he says he would prefer not to print it himself (awkward :P) thanks
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07:00<Bacteria>Ox90, Ah. Have a look on amazon for them.
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07:07<lorena>OLA ESTAS
07:08<themill>!es-social lorena
07:08<dpkg>lorena: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
07:08<lorena>OK HASTA LUEGO
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07:09<babilen>lorena: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
07:09<lorena>CUAL ES EN ESPAÑOL
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07:10<dr|z3d>lorena: hasta luego! (why are you still here?!)
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07:24<blalala>hey
07:24<Ox90>o/
07:24<blalala>somebody could help me?
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08:29<Ox90>hi guys, im trying to compile iscsitrgt.ko for my system using dpkg-buildpackage, the rules file is here http://pastebin.com/V8iPDjkX, the install fails with the error at the bottom of the pastebin post. any ideas?
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08:50<jhr>Ox90: just guessing: line 89 -> make -C usr clean
08:50<jhr>usr doesn't exist in $(pwd)
08:50<bremner_>ml|: if you decide to try nuttcp, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=575764
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08:52<jhr>Ox90: you're doing some weird stuff there, btw
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09:00<Ox90>jhr, why is that weird? basically im running kernel 2.6.32 and there is no iscsitrgt module available for that kernel so im compiling from source
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09:00<jhr>Ox90: I meant a few things in debian/rules
09:00<jhr>but that's probably not even from you, ist it? :)
09:01<Ox90>nope lol
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09:01<Ox90>its included with the source
09:01<jhr>yeah, I first thought it was your package
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09:01<Ox90>lol, maybe one day
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09:02<jhr>:)
09:05<linuxguy>i i installed debian squeeze last nite, but when i rebooted and logged on it failed all the time, i could only get desktop by using console as root and logging on as root, ive tried adding a user but i still cant log on, what i am missing out please?
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09:05<dr|z3d>linuxguy: aptitude (re)install gdm perhaps?
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09:08<linuxguy>dr|z3d, i am using kde, i do get kdm if i use con still cant log on at the log on screensole 1st and log on as root, but ive tried adding users but
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09:10<dr|z3d>linuxguy: So kdm isn't automatically starting, is that the issue?
09:11<jm_>linuxguy: check kdm and session logs
09:11<linuxguy>dr|z3d, no i cant log onto kdm "log in failed" message is what i get
09:12<linuxguy>jm_, sorry i wouldnt know how to find that :
09:12<dr|z3d>linuxguy: Come on! At least attempt a google query to find out!
09:13<jm_>linuxguy: kdm is probably in /var/log, session is ~/.xsession-errors
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09:13<linuxguy>dr|z3d, i have looked at google regarding failed log ins, is theres something i can do in menu.1st ?
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09:14<diem>don't know if someone noticed : date -d'1 month ago' -> 1/Mar/2010 ... WTF ? :)
09:14<linuxguy>jm_, thaanks i will look, currently away from messed up pc looking for answers :(
09:15<jm_>linuxguy: did you use KDE before with this user?
09:16<linuxguy>jm_, yes i installed kde desktop as i started to install using the advanced /alternative desktops/kde option on install screen
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09:17<jm_>linuxguy: sorry have to run now, no doubt people here can help you, but you can also try #debian-kde
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09:21<hawk>diem: I'm not sure what is the expected behavior when the same day (number) in the previous month doesn't exist.
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09:23<diem>hawk: I know .. but I've expected at least one month ago to fall somewhere in february :) not on the same month as the current one :). freebsd date -v-1m shows 28/feb (not for flame, just comparison).
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09:29<hawk>diem: Yeah, I figured that you were unhappy with the month not changing... But the date system is a mess, so I'm not even sure what is correct
09:30<diem>hawk: from some forums, seems that "1 month ago" == "4 weeks ago" .. but then I wonder what happens on 30th or 31st of some months ;)
09:31<diem>hawk: on other hand, funny to see almost the whose sysadmins dpt. here thinking about the proper "month" definition :)
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09:43<cmot>Yodel!
09:43<cmot>Anybody knows the ins and outs of Iceweasel's prefs.js?
09:43<cmot>I'm tryint to set the default papersize to A4 BUT without using the printer name.
09:44<cmot>(Google says to set something like print.printer_<printername>.<someoption>)
09:44<dr|z3d>cmot: I have a nodding acquaintaince, sure :)
09:44<cmot>... which is somewhat inconvenient since we've got about 40 printers on our campus.
09:44<dr|z3d>What I would say is, if you can hook in another printer engine, print to pdf, whatever, you might have better results. Firefox/IW's print engine isn't the best.
09:45*cmot would vastly prefer to use konqueror + kpart-webkit in any case, but I'm not allowed to :-(
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09:45<dr|z3d>Also, are you manually editing prefs.js ?
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09:46<m_g>hi guy, is there some sort of freeze in testing? there have been very few updates to the packages in the last week it seems. not that i would miss new upgrades, just curious if everything is as usual
09:46<m_g>guys*
09:46<cmot>dr|z3d, I'm just putting a prefs.js with one, two settings in /etc/iceweasel/... to set defaults for new accounts (so far homepage, and also a mimeTypes.rdf to link some mime typese to actions.)
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09:47<cmot>/etc/papersize is set to a4.
09:47<dr|z3d>cmot: Well, you might find about:config from IW's location bar provides a more convenient interface to those settings..
09:48<cmot>m_g, there's no freeze yet, but we're slowly moving in the right direction. Also: there are many library transitions going on, so lots of packages are probably just bogged down behind that.
09:48<cmot>dr|z3d, will do.
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09:48<Beity_lapeke>#debian-es-cachondeo
09:48<Beity_lapeke>#colegio-aljarafe
09:48<cmot>dr|z3d, ... even though I hate the "yes, I'm stupid" kind of message I have to click through to get there :-/
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09:49<dr|z3d>cmot: You can ensure that's only displayed the once..
09:49<dr|z3d>Should be a tickbox option.
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09:49<m_g>cmot: ah, thanks. anything in particular i should take care of with dist-upgrades during this time?
09:50<cmot>dr|z3d, yes, yes. It's the mindset behind it that disturbs me, not the one mouseclick :-)
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09:50<cmot>Ah. print.print_paper_size.
09:50<dr|z3d>:)
09:50<cmot>Probably set it from 0 to
09:50<cmot>pi or e hor h_bar
09:50<dr|z3d>Well, I'd say idiots need as much protection from themselves as can be offered. ;)
09:50<cmot>dr|z3d, idiots don't deserve protection from themselves.
09:51<dr|z3d>Aww, how ungenerous :P
09:51<cmot>If there is a button labeled "kill me", I'd bloody expect it to work.
09:51<cmot>""" Please do not press this button again. """
09:51<cmot>name the author :-)
09:52<dr|z3d>Douglas Adams?
09:52<cmot>Of course
09:52*dr|z3d smiles.
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09:53<cmot>Hmm. Or should I rather set print.printer_PostScript/default.print_paper_size_type
09:53<cmot>Both are numerical values. I'm trying to google for what the numbers means now.
09:54<dr|z3d>http://kb.mozillazine.org/PostScript_Module
09:54<dr|z3d>http://kb.mozillazine.org/Problems_printing_web_pages
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09:55<dr|z3d>Might be germane, those docs.
09:56<cmot>Is kind of "is the printer plugged in" level of support :-/
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09:56<dr|z3d>Oh dreary mer :/
09:56<dr|z3d>*me
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09:57<dr|z3d>Well, I'd still recommend installing a virtual pdf driver and printing to that instead.
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09:59<cmot>dr|z3d, ok, user_pref("print.postscript.paper_size", "a4"); works.
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10:00<cmot>I'll look at the virtual pdf driver idea, since I agree with you that ff' printing support is not really that good. But for now I have a working solution. Thanks.
10:00<dr|z3d>Oh, good stuff. You're welcome.
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10:02<cmot>m_g: and there I was typing an answer to your last question.
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10:02<Ikarus>how can I disable downloading pdiff's ?
10:02<Ikarus>and just grab the full package
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10:03<Ikarus>I can't find the option quickly
10:03<@Ganneff>echo 'Acquire::PDiffs "false";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/local-pdiff
10:03<@Ganneff>!pdiff
10:03<dpkg>As of version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff", which allows apt-get/aptitude update to download diffs of the repository's Packages file, instead of downloading the entire file every time. You can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::PDiffs "false";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf.
10:03<Ikarus>it takes ALOT longer with pdiffs
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10:04<dr|z3d>Ikarus: Presumably on account of the local scan?
10:04<themill>Ikarus: it depends on the relative speed of your connection vs your cpu as to whether pdiffs are worth it.
10:04<Ikarus>dr|z3d: downloading
10:04<Ikarus>themill: it's also lag of your connection to the speed
10:04<cmot>... and except on quite fast hardware the CPU will be the bottleneck.
10:04<themill>Ikarus: no, it'll be merging the pdiff that is killing you
10:04<dr|z3d>Ikarus: Oh? Oddness. One would have thought diffs were much more compact, and faster to download, therefore.
10:04<Ikarus>I have high latency at times, and high bandwidth
10:05<Ikarus>dr|z3d: not with latency
10:05<Ikarus>themill: and yeah, CPU is also significant
10:05<dr|z3d>Ikarus: So you don't recommend enabling pdiffs for normal usage, then? Any case use where they are preferred that you've found?
10:05<Ikarus>it's around 20x faster to just use plain old files
10:06<Ikarus>dr|z3d: yes
10:06<Ikarus>dead slow connections
10:06<themill>dr|z3d: no, esp if you are using stable
10:06<Ikarus>like the one I have at work
10:06<Ikarus>(otoh, stable at work is mirrored)
10:06<dr|z3d>themill, Ikarus: Ok, thanks for the headsup.
10:06<@Ganneff>they are only good if your connection is isdn speed or less
10:06<dr|z3d>Ah, ok.
10:07<dr|z3d>A bit like Opera's turbo mode, then.
10:07<dr|z3d>(random analogy)
10:07<@Ganneff>(well, lets say anything below dsl1000)
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10:13<zumbi>judd: qemu
10:13<themill>zumbi: you presumably wanted either "versions qemu" or "info qemu"
10:14<zumbi>themill: thanks just checking how was it
10:14<zumbi>judd: versions qemu
10:14<judd>qemu -- etch: 0.8.2-4etch2; etch-security: 0.8.2-4etch3; etch-backports: 0.9.1-10lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.9.1-10lenny1; lenny-security: 0.9.1-10lenny1; squeeze: 0.11.1-2; sid: 0.12.3+dfsg-2
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10:15<wald0>i have a crypted filesystem (LUKS), the partition is assiged to /dev/mapper/home, but when i mount it automatically it is /dev/dm-0, now i want to reformat this partition with other filesystem, which device/partition i should use ? dm-0 or mapper/home ?
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10:18<ml|>zumbi: you should message /msg judd .... like you can with dpkg
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10:18<wald0>im scared to do something wrong
10:19<ryan__>Stable = lenny, Testing = Squeeze, and Unstable = sid Correct? (At least currently)
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10:19<koollman>ryan__: correct
10:19<ryan__>Thanks, I wasn't positive about unstable/sid if they were the same or different =D
10:19<koollman>sid is always unstable
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10:20<koollman>the other two changes when a new stable version is released
10:20<ml|>ryan__: if you want more info /msg dpkg releases
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10:37<Ox90>im running kernel version 2.6.32 because it has support for my network card. I cannot compile iscsitrgt.ko on this box. If i get the .ko file from the box and pass it to the debian installer will it work?
10:37<Ox90>meaning, instead of using the backported kernel i'll use the current stable release and load in the .ko
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10:41<Ox90>thats not amazingly clear, what i want to get is get netxen_nic.ko from the current box trash it an load the .ko through the installer
10:42<Ox90>judd: versions iscsitarget
10:42<judd>iscsitarget -- etch-backports: 0.4.16+svn162-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.4.16+svn162-3; sid: 0.4.17+svn229-1.4; squeeze: 0.4.17+svn229-1.4
10:42<jthomas_sb>We've got an FTP server running PureFTPd and it works great for every user, except one! This may not be PureFTPd's fault at all, since Pure uses the system's account and passwd, and any login with that account will fail. Might anyone know what woud reset a password, short of some intentional change? There isn't an expiration for this account, and it doesn't seem to have any reason as to when or why the login begins to fail
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10:45<ml|>Ox90: you should message /msg judd .... like you can with dpkg ... /msg dpkg ....
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10:48<Ox90>ml|, thanks for the tip ;)
10:48<ml|>np
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10:54<matttis>somehow xmms vanished from my system
10:55<matttis>now i installed xmms, but theres no player launching
10:55<matttis>but it play with "xmms2 play"
10:55<matttis>*plays
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10:57<themill>!xmms
10:57<dpkg>somebody said xmms was the old X MultiMedia System media player. Removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #461309, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00026.html for removal reasons. For alternatives, ask me about <amarok>, <audacious>, <exaile>, <qmmp>, <quod libet>, <rhythmbox>, <xmms2>.
10:58<ml|>there is no xmms debian; xmms2 replaces it
10:59<matttis>i meant xmms2
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11:00<matttis>but xmms worked 1 week ago
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11:03<ml|>I tried xmms2 a while ago iirc it's a client server model, so you need to find a ui or gui you want to use with it; should explain better http://xmms2.org/wiki/Main_Page
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11:05<matttis>ml|, thx
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11:12<clin>Sorry for a stupid question. How do I know whether my laptop is supported by projector?
11:12<petemc_>generally speaking, if it has the right connector eg: vga it should work
11:13<MeglaW_>does it have a video out that matches the projector? vga, svga, dvi, composite, whatever
11:13<dr|z3d>clin: Totally absurd question. You mean you want your projector suppored by your laptop.. :)
11:13<dr|z3d>projectors generally don't support laptops.
11:13*dr|z3d winks.
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11:14<dr|z3d>Connector. You need that. You also need a display driver that will support a second output, presuming you're using the projector as an auxillary display.
11:14<clin>dr|z3d: I planned to install GNU/ Linux on asus f80s series (which can use projector), but do not know how to confirm whether it would work on e.g. Debian or not.
11:15<dr|z3d>In any event, you should just think of a projector as another display. Nothing special about it, as far as the os is concerned.
11:15<petemc_>just bigger!
11:15<petemc_>mostly..
11:15<dr|z3d>:)
11:15<clin>I see. thanks. : )
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11:16<cahoot>although my intel (sid) suddenly refused to recognize the projektor a few weeks ago
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11:26<zero_>I cant connect my digital camera to my computer(cant mount the card that's with it), Im using squeeze and my camera is a nikon coolpix s220
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11:27<Cadmium01>I have a passphrase protected private key and public key authentication setup between my local and remote machine. When I first login to my local machine and open gnome terminal, then try to ssh into remote machine it asks me for passphrase. I enter and login. after that, even if I close gnome terminal or disconnect, it does not ask me for a passphrase for private key any more
11:28<Cadmium01>How can I make gnome NOT remember my passphrases?
11:28<petemc_>i dont use it, but i think ssh-agent controls that
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11:28<Cadmium01>petemc_, even in gnome terminal?
11:30<petemc_>i would guess so, given what you've described
11:30<Cadmium01>I need to disable it but cant figure ot how
11:32<petemc_>i would imagine google could help you with that one
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11:33<Cadmium01>the problem is Gnome keyring manager is what's saving this passphrase, but it wnt display it in it's list
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11:46<ireas>hi
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11:50<Cadmium01>How do I disable passphrase cacheing in gnome terminal?
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11:53<johnfg> hi guys
11:54<tarzeau>hi
11:54<johnfg>What's the cli program for burning a cd/dvd?
11:54<johnfg>hi tarzeau
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11:54<petemc_>johnfg: wodim
11:54<cahoot>for dvd too?
11:54<Tunguska>Hi there I'm having problem with my Intel 5300AGN wifi card. It connects, it works for a while, but then it starts outputting messages to dmesg, and either the connection becomes very slow or stops completely - without disconnecting from the AP. I think this problem is related to the bug in the firmware-iwlwifi. Does anybody has a solution? Thanks
11:54<dr|z3d>johnfg: apt-cache search burn |grep dvd
11:54<petemc_>i think growisofs for dvd
11:55<dr|z3d>johnfg: apt-cache search burn |grep cd might yield more results.
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11:56<dr|z3d>there's a command line app called "burn" that may also be useful, if other solutions aren't.
11:56<dr|z3d>judd: versions burn
11:56<judd>burn -- etch: 0.4.3-2.1; lenny: 0.4.3-2.1+lenny1; sid: 0.4.6-1; squeeze: 0.4.6-1
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11:58<Tunguska>guys?
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11:58<bja>!beer dr|z3d
11:58*dpkg pours a litre of Spaten Pils for dr|z3d
11:58<petemc_>Tunguska: standard response would be to try newer kernel/firmware
11:58*dr|z3d smiles and takes a virtual slug.
11:59<johnfg>Thanks guys. Usually, I'd use the nautilus-cd-burner (that uses one of the other programs, probably wodim), but I want to blank some previously used dvdrw's.
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11:59<Tunguska>already using kernel 2.6.32-3-amd64, with firmare-iwlwifi on 0.23 - latest versions on sid/experimental
11:59<johnfg>dr|z3d, I'm installing burn now, and will see if that does the job.
11:59<dr|z3d>judd: versions dvd+rw-tools
11:59<judd>dvd+rw-tools -- etch: 7.0-4; lenny: 7.1-3; sid: 7.1-6; squeeze: 7.1-6
12:00<dr|z3d>johnfg: ait!
12:00<petemc_>Tunguska: then i guess that doesnt apply, sorry
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12:01<Tunguska>this problem is bugging me for a while now, and no solution in sight... this is my work computer, and having to remove and reinsert the iwlagn module each 5 minutes is a pain!
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12:02<WinMag>hello
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12:03<thunderball>good morning everyone
12:03<Tunguska>morning
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12:03<thunderball>how are you today?
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12:07<Tunguska>anyone can at least point me in some direction in what to do?
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12:09<Cadmium01>Does anyone know where is the setting to tell gnome whether or not it should remember my passphrases?
12:10<musca>Tunguska: buy an usb-wireless-device instead?
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12:10<dr|z3d>Tunguska: You have a couple of options. 1) buy a certified linux compatible wireless adapter. 2) wait for your issue to be fixed. 3) try an alternative driver methodology. madwifi? ndiswrapper?
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12:11<dr|z3d>or 4) used wired ethernet.
12:11<Ox90>chaps, having major problems installing iscsitarget-module with dpkg-buildpacksage on 2.6.32. http://pastebin.com/V8iPDjkX <- thats a copy of the rules and error message at the bottom
12:11<Cadmium01>dr|z3d, are you familiar with seahorse? It has opened up a sea of headacke for me.. :(
12:11<Ox90>does anyone have any ideas why it is going wrong?
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12:12<dr|z3d>Cadmium01: No, can't help there, sorry.
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12:12<Tunguska>1) hum isn't the intel one certified? 2) how can I help to solve the issue? 3) madwifi and ndiswrapper doesn't apply to the intel adapters?
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12:13<dr|z3d>The intel driver you're using appears to be certified broken, yes.
12:13<Tunguska>;-)
12:14<Tunguska>do you know if the problem is in the firmware?
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12:14<dr|z3d>ndiswrapper can be used anywhere you can acquire a windows driver.
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12:14<dr|z3d>to what degree of usefulness, that's for you to try.. these are called workaround, my friend. :)
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12:14*dr|z3d stabs his keyboard for randonmly discarding characters.
12:15<Tunguska>well, I think I'm precisely on this desperation point :-)
12:15<dr|z3d>Let us know how you get on.
12:15<dr|z3d>Failing all else, invest in a long cat5 cable. :)
12:15<Tunguska>and carry it with me everywhere i go? ;-)
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12:16<Tunguska>do you know if there somehow i can help solving this problem?
12:16<ppine>Miquels? present
12:16<dr|z3d>Have you tried the workarounds, or you're looking for a silver bullet? ;)
12:17<ml|>Cadmium01: try 'ssh-add -D'; but I don't use gnome
12:18<Tunguska>well, i've tried the sw_ option, tried upgrading the firmware, and now will try the ndiswrapper. But maybe the silver bullet is what I'm looking for...
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12:18<Tunguska>I just want to know where is the problem exactly - the firmware from intel, the kernel, the board, the user ;-)
12:18<bja>!es-social Ganneff
12:18<dpkg>Ganneff: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:18*dr|z3d primes his uzi and targets Tunguska. "Let me know when you're ready!"
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12:19<dr|z3d>Dicing with death, bja.
12:19*dr|z3d laughs.
12:19<Tunguska>hahhahaha
12:19<dr|z3d>!ops bja is baiting one of your number!
12:19<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dr|z3d complains about: bja is baiting one of your number!
12:19-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*ebian-tor@*.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] by Ganneff
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12:20<Ganneff>...
12:20<Tunguska>thanks dr|z3d
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12:30<gernot>I just installed pdnsd to cache DNS on my little home network. I set it to query my ISP's nameservers like my router did and it's working fine. However there is the possibility to query root nameservers directly in the config file. I'm wondering what the benefits would be (if any).
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12:38<petemc_>gernot: not many, unless your isp does funky things with dns that you dont want
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12:39<ml|>like sending you to their search page on typos, instead of error page
12:40<ml|>some like that, but I prefer to get an error page instead
12:42<gernot>I see (and agree). Aside from speed I don't have any complaints though. And that is now solved. Thanks.
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12:47<jcnr>hola estoy buscando unirme a la comunida en el de sarrollo
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12:47<bja>jcnr: /j #debian-es
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12:48<jcnr>hola
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12:49<bja>!es
12:49<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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12:53<bja>jcnr: Por favor ingresa a #debian-es
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13:11<Cadmium01>ml|, thanks
13:11<Cadmium01>ml|, that worked, now I just need to find a way to disable it in gnome
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13:12<ml|>Cadmium01: np, I'm sure gnome must have a setting somewhere for that, in/with gconf?
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13:20<stsm>anyone happen to know what i need to add to sources.list to get apt-cross working (for mips) ?
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13:29<zulu>I can't start a service before networking, I used update-rc.d myscript 41 34 it successfully created the rc links but it does not start Before networking script (did I miss something?)
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13:35<rjent>Greetings, wanting to install on a toshiba notebook but it has a bios boot password setup. u505-s2950
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13:35<rjent>Any ideas how to remove?
13:36<yang>rjent: have you tried removing the motherboard battery ?
13:36<jackyf>ask the owner? :)
13:36<rjent>yang, I took apart some and did not see it. I can go in further, if no simple way beyond that.
13:36<yang>I am not sure if it will reset BIOS
13:36<rjent>jackyf, :) the owner does not know it.
13:37<bja>rjent: Look into the service manual at the toshiba site, usually they are in somel little nifty compartment near the main battery
13:37<Ox90>i doubt you will strike it lucky with default BIOS passwords, you'll need to remove the battery and possibly short a header
13:37<rjent>bja, I will search for service manual at toshiba.
13:38<rjent>0x90, I agree but I have not had any luck on finding where to short at on the model.
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13:38<rjent>That is why I am here asking.
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13:38<rjent>If there is a better channel I will move once suggested.
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13:38<bja>rjent: when you remove both batteries main and backup try to turn on the lap top. It will drain all the internal capacitors to Zero. Usually does the final hop
13:39<dr|z3d>Not for a bios battery, often..
13:41<dr|z3d>I say often, but that word was superfluous, Let me rephrase. Not for a bios battery.
13:41<sney>toshiba bios batteries are often accessible via the hard drive or memory compartments, you just need to take that component out and it'll be underneath
13:42<bja>If the password is on some kind of more permanent type of memory. The trip to Toshibas service center is unavoidable
13:42<bja>btw
13:42<bja>!lart dr|z3d
13:42*dpkg whips out his power stapler and staples dr|z3d's genitalia to the ground
13:42<sney>ouch
13:42<dr|z3d>rjent: Check the manufacturers site, there may be low level tools available to reset the bios. Or you might find a brute force password cracker you can run on it, possibly.
13:42<sney>harsh, dpkg
13:42<dr|z3d>!lart bja
13:42*dpkg duct-tapes bja to the floor and drools on him
13:42<sney>!apologize
13:42*dpkg apologizes to sney
13:43<rjent>Thanks to all. I shall investigate more.
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13:47<Vantage>hi all, I'm running Debian sid and just did a safe-upgrade and now all I get is a whitescreen when X starts. This is using the radeon driver. Any tips?
13:47<bja>!broken in sid
13:47<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
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13:48<bja>!pieces
13:48<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, pieces is ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! )
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13:51<sney>bja: but I NEEEED the newest versionz!
13:52<Vantage>Sure, but does anyone know why or have a workaround?
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13:52<sney>check bts, sid problems are far too fleeting to be supported here.
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13:53<sney>and for future reference, install apt-listbugs so aptitude can warn you that you're about to install broken software. :P
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13:54<ribbit>how i can download testing using jigdo
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13:55<Vantage>sney, thanks!
13:55<bja>!tell ribbit about jigdo
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13:57<sney>whoa, there's debian on blu-ray? I bet it's just one disc for the whole thing
13:57<ribbit>wow
13:57<bja>What is it 20 usd for the piece?
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13:58<ribbit>!tell
13:58<ribbit>\
13:59<sney>20 for the disc and something like 300 for the burner, but it's still cool in theory
13:59<bja>!tell ribbit about selftell
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14:02<ribbit>where is the jigdo file for testing
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14:05<ribbit>where is the jigdo file for testing
14:05<ribbit>where is the jigdo file for testing
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14:06<ribbit>where is the jigdo file for testing
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14:06<sney>ribbit: please read what dpkg told you, it's in the first link.
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14:08<ribbit>itd\ appears to only be netinstall image
14:08<ribbit>how i can configure a server
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14:09<sney>read the manual
14:09<bja>ribbit: Read, about the service you want to provide, then read some more. And finally keep reading while you set it up so you don't screw things on the process
14:10<ribbit>will it work with a vm
14:10<sney>ribbit: #debian is not your personal google. please do your own research.
14:11<ribbit>offtopic ?
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14:11<ribbit>ther shoulbe google bot that search in google and returns the im feelin lucky result
14:11<dr|z3d>Was there any reason to repeat the same question 3 times in short order, ribbit? Or were you looking for attention?
14:12<ribbit>no
14:12<weasel>I think he wanted to be considered for a ban
14:12<ribbit>no
14:12<weasel>yes.
14:12<ribbit>no
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14:12<dr|z3d>Oh dear.
14:12<dr|z3d>weasel, put the poor guy out of his misery (and ours).
14:12*dr|z3d winks.
14:12<sney>seems pretty cut and dried to me
14:13<bja>I vote for the big stick
14:13<ribbit>im just a frog , dont ban me , i ll be quiet
14:13<weasel>fortunately you folks don't get a vote.
14:13<bja>I though so, this is no democracy :)
14:13<ribbit>no
14:13<ribbit>please no
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14:14<dr|z3d>ribbit: behave like a delinquent, you'll get treated like one. So, you know, just behave, eh? :)
14:14<ribbit>ok
14:14<babilen>ribbit: Relax, it's OK. Just ask on-topic questions, don't repeat the same question x-times in a short period of time and enjoy your stay.
14:14<bja>Fry the frog and lets have something to eat :)
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14:15<ribbit>save the frogs!
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14:15<bja>!tell ribbit about ot
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14:15<ribbit>ok
14:16<dr|z3d>If you're a frog, perhaps you'll get better support in..
14:16<dr|z3d>!fr
14:16<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net.
14:17<sney>heh
14:17<bja>!beer dr|z3d
14:17*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for dr|z3d
14:17<ribbit>LOL
14:17<babilen>come on guys - let's have our fun in -ot
14:17<ribbit>nope im not frenck
14:18<ribbit>good idea babilen
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14:24<andy123>lol
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15:30<mocra>belongs opera to the so called "gecko-browsers"?
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15:31<sney>mocra: no, opera is its own beast
15:31<mocra>sney, thxs
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15:46<kop_>I'm trying to upgrade an etch system to lenny, starting by listing what's on hold. "aptitude -F '%50p' search '~ahold'" truncates my package names to about 30 characters. I've a couple of custom kernels installed (that I probably no longer need) and can't seem to get aptitude to list the package names in full. How do I do this?
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15:51<johfel>kop_: start aptitude without any parameter/argument and search for the custom kernel package.
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15:54<kop_>johfel: How do I then unhold?
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15:54<johfel>press the "+" key for unhold and "=" for hold.
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15:55<kop_>johfel: Thanks very much.
15:55<johfel>kop_: for more information see the "Package" menu in aptitude.
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16:04<jsteel>Wonder if someone can answer this question. It seem fglrx-driver has not been working for a little while in testing/unstable. The version 1:10-2-2 does not install due to a conflict. A working version has been released for i386 (bottom of page http://packages.debian.org/sid/fglrx-driver) how soon should I expect to see this for amd64?
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16:07<ml|>usually when it's ready
16:09<bgat>anyone here know anything about runit? I'm trying to come up with scripts to start dbus, hal and halevt services...
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16:09<SiCuTDeUx>that's the thing with debian...
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16:09<jsteel>I don't often follow packages, are we talking days, weeks or months? I'm not asking for an exact time scale, just generally I am interested
16:09<SiCuTDeUx>"when it's ready"
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16:10<SiCuTDeUx>but nobody knows when thats going to be!
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16:10<themill>SiCuTDeUx: sooner if you help.
16:10<SiCuTDeUx>lol!
16:10<stsm>:o
16:10<stsm>duke nukem forever!
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16:19<hardkor77>dzień dobry
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16:19<sney>!pl
16:19<dpkg>rumour has it, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
16:20<hardkor77>jest tu ktoś z polski?
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16:20<sney>no
16:20<hardkor77>fajnie
16:20<sney>/server irc.freenode.net i /join #debian-pl
16:20<hardkor77>jestem nowy, co tu się robi?
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16:21<hardkor77>nie rozumiem
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16:21<hardkor77>co to za literki?
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16:29<Guest585>what does this mean VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. SuperSavage IX/C SDR (rev 05)
16:30<Guest585>and this tripp@eclipse-desktop:~$ lspci | grep VGA
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16:31<sighK>what up
16:32<sighK>whats your favorite windows manager
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16:49<barano>hey
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17:28<mocra>sry ;)
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17:41<Aleric>Is there a way to set an environment variable and have it still exist after you ssh-ed to a remote machine (in that remote shell)?
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17:45<volkans>Anyone know if (and in that case with what program) I can open .rar files in?...or is my rarfile corrupt maybe?
17:46<ml|>volkans: what are you using now?
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17:46<volkans>just standard shit...dunno whats it's called in english :P
17:47<Aleric>>dpkg -S /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree
17:47<Aleric>unrar: /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree
17:47<volkans>thx ^
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17:47<Aleric>which a link from /usr/bin/unrar -> /etc/alternatives/unrar -> /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree
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17:48<tester>yo
17:48<chaos>how do i use lsof to find out what's stopping me from umounting something?
17:48<chaos>just lsof <path>?
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17:49<ml|>might be that your .rar file is bad, unrar-nonfree has never failed me
17:49<amphi>chaos: I do lsof | grep path
17:50<chaos>thx
17:50<petemc_>or you might need quickpar to repair the rars, if its something filched from usenet
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17:52<Aleric>What I want is to ssh from one machine to another and then end up in a given directory, ie ssh --start-directory=/foobar
17:52<Aleric>except that --start-directory doesn't exist :)
17:52<Aleric>How could I get that working?
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17:54<chaos>how do i force (if it's possible at all) umount on a tmpfs - i don't care if anything using it dies
17:55<ml|>you could make a .screenrc to do that and just run screen once connected
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17:56<Aleric>ml|: That would still not communicate the path from the starting machine to the remote machine (which can be different every time)
17:56<Aleric>The local machine knows the path thus, not the remote machine
17:57<ml|>what I suggested is to be done on remote
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17:57<Aleric>Yes, so putting the path in a .screenrc on the remote is not a solution
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17:58<ml|>that was my understanding of what you wanted to do
17:58<ml|>on remote
17:58<Aleric>I could do it I could preserve an environment variable over the login :/
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18:00<Mr-R>Aleric: you cant preserve environments over login. configure the remote environment depending on your needs. .bashrc on remote-server for example
18:00<Aleric>What I want to do is: I have a local machine, it knows the path (say /home/aleric/foobar20). I want to run a command on the local machine that will give me immediately a shell on the remote machine with as current working directory the given path. I have control over the remote machine, but I cannot add the path in a file on the remote machine because it will be different every time.
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18:01<Mr-R>Aleric: or use absolut path to start remote scripts
18:01<Aleric>Mr-R: I tried: export FOOBAR=1; ssh remote ... but the shell that I got didn't have FOOBAR set
18:01<weasel>ssh -t $remote "cd '`pwd`' && bash"
18:01<weasel>not nice, but ...
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18:02<Mr-R>weasel: but its not "exporting" the local environment variables... :)
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18:02<weasel>you didn't ask for that.
18:03<weasel>this does what Aleric wants.
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18:04<Aleric>Yup this works :), thanks.
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18:21<TCW>You can't use this script more than 5 times in this short time period. Please try again later, or use different means of subscribing. <- what does "later" mean? An hour? A day?
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18:22<TCW>oh... it is about subscribing to debian lists via lists.debian.org
18:22<weasel>just send mail?
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18:23<home1>ciao
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18:24<TCW>weasel, that does not answer the question... but it could be the solution if I would have to wait more than an hour.
18:24<weasel>TCW: well, it depends on whether you want your problem fixed and your job getting done or if you care about random config stuff
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18:25<TCW>weasel, random config stuff?
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18:34<bremner_>i.e., the answer to your question.
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18:38<TCW>bremner_, I don't see why my question may not be valid and worth answering correctly.
18:38<TCW>s/answering/to be answered/
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18:38<bremner_>TCW: well, probably someone would have do work to find out the answer.
18:39<bremner_>TCW: an alternative was presented that avoided other people doing work; at least that is my reading.
18:39<bremner_>TCW: it's all about fixing the problem as efficiently as possible, I guess
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18:42<TCW>bremner_, I don't complain if the question does not get answered, as it may just be that (currently) no one is here that has an answer or is willing to answer (for whatever reason).
18:43<bremner_>TCW: ok, let's drop it, I think we are not contributing to anything useful just now.
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18:44<TCW>bremner_, agreed
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18:46<TCW>but I do wonder if lists.debian.org has a problem right now... or is it normal these days (heavy load?) to wait over half an hour and still no confirmation-request mail?
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18:57<dondelelcaro>TCW: it normally takes seconds to minutes
18:57<dondelelcaro>TCW: what was the message id?
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19:00<TCW>dondelelcaro, for the mls subscribed via http://l.d.o I don't have a message id, but I did send a mail to subscribe to the rest (almost half an hour ago). Message-id: <1269902026.13718.6262.camel@adrastea.tcw.local>
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19:01<TCW>I did send an email to majordomo as well (asking "which mail@address.com" in the body) no answer yet too.
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19:04<TCW>and just to make sure I can receive mails on the account in question, I did send me an email there from another account... was there in seconds.
19:05<TCW>dondelelcaro, you have access to l.d.o logs?
19:05<dondelelcaro>TCW: your sender verification is busted
19:05<dondelelcaro>TCW: Mar 29 21:58:54 liszt postfix/smtp[9503]: 098EC13A4FD1: host mail.unixkiste.org[88.79.238.240] said: 450 4.1.7 <debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org>: Sender address rejected: unverified address: host liszt.debian.org[82.195.75.100] said: 450 4.2.0 <debian-devel-request@lists.debian.org>: Recipient address rejected: Greylisted on liszt.debian.org. Try again later. (in reply to RCPT TO command) (in reply to RCPT TO command)
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19:06<dondelelcaro>TCW: you can't fail in a 4XX, you only fail sender verification on a 5XX
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19:07<TCW>dondelelcaro, so the mta at mail.unixkiste.org does it wrong? It is not my server so I would have to forward the issue :)
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19:07<dondelelcaro>TCW: yerp, it's doing it wrong. You basically won't get any mail from anyone who does greylisting
19:08<TCW>or maybe the mta does resend the greylisted mails hours later...
19:09<TCW>sensible mtas should do it in 15 minutes intervals iirc?
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19:12<TCW>dondelelcaro, mind adding a whitelist for my address? *ducks&hides* ;)
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19:15<dondelelcaro>TCW: not worth the effort
19:16<TCW>dondelelcaro, thought so... :)
19:16<dondelelcaro>TCW: basically, if your MTA can't be configured properly to at least get the cookie back, you won't be able to receive list mail either
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19:17<dondelelcaro>TCW: it does try resending the mail, so it's possible that it will succeed at some point in the future
19:17<TCW>I am a bit bluffed anyway that the mta ther does not handle greylisting properly as the admin generally knows what he is doing (and it is not his first mailer)
19:17<dondelelcaro>mail is kind of complex, especially when you're dealing with different antispam methods
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19:19<TCW>I know... and at least the mailer we used before the current one did greylisting and all sorts of paranoia checks on his own... hard to believe that the same admin does fail here
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19:20<TCW>but then again... he is a fedora guy... so... ;)
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19:22<TCW>dondelelcaro, anyway thanks for shedding some light here
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19:57<pascal>!list
19:57<dpkg>pascal: VATTENE VIA
19:57<pascal>vattene via
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19:57<bja>!tell pascal about it
19:57<bja>!tell pascal about selftell
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19:59<pascal>!tell about it
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20:26<Tenacity>:0~
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20:40<Tenacity>Question: How to kill a process on debian lenny?
20:41<petemc_>kill, tho not all processes can be killed
20:42<Tenacity>How can I kill one?
20:42<petemc_>man kill
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20:42<dr|z3d>man ps
20:42<Tenacity>oh... its kill program?
20:42<Tenacity>"kill ..."?
20:42<petemc_>"man kill"
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20:43<Tenacity>man kill program <---?
20:43<edhunter>Tenacity: man kill
20:43<edhunter>kill is a program
20:43<dr|z3d>In order to kill a process, you need to know its "pid", so, from a terminal type: man kill
20:43<dr|z3d>To exit, hit Q.
20:43<dr|z3d>And then type: man ps
20:44<paco>i also use killall, no need to know the pid
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20:44<ml|>or use something like htop
20:44<dr|z3d>killall takes the process name as an argument, then? Intereting.
20:44<Tenacity>:0~ Oh! "man" stands for "manual"... heh
20:45<dr|z3d>htop, or even gnome's task manager
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20:45<ml|>killall does not always work tho
20:45<paco>yes :) and xkill for easy killing gnome windows
20:46<Is_907>so i'm running Squeeze and have a mobo with a realtek integrated audio chip... realtek alc1200... output works fine but when i plug a mic in (front panel or back mic jack) i can never record/capture sound. if i talk/blow into the headset mic i can hear it on my speakers, i can control the volume in kmix or alsamixer, but i can never record anything in audacity or any other app. any ideas?
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20:49<Tenacity>Yay! I killed my first process in debian.
20:50<ml|>!congratulate Tenacity
20:50<dpkg>Huzzah Tenacity, you did it!
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20:51<Tenacity>I even felt a little tiny wrinkle form in my brain.
20:52<ml|>Tenacity: if you want more wrinkles /msg dpkg reference ;)
20:53<dr|z3d>!confuse Tenacity
20:53<dpkg>No, who was our pants tomorrow, Tenacity? Pants of the Republic of Micronesia with extra cream.
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20:55<Tenacity>heh
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21:13<meowcats>hello friends, does anyone know if catalyst 10.3 works with xserver 1.7 yet?
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21:14<abrotman>doubtful
21:14<meowcats>dpkg says something about a beta supporting it
21:14<dpkg>meowcats: i haven't a clue
21:14<meowcats>dpkg fglrx
21:14<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. Removed from testing due to xorg transition, supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7) as of fglrx-driver 1:10-3~prerelease-1. Lenny users, see http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . #ati on irc.freenode.net.
21:15<abrotman>meowcats: you might want to ask #ati on irc.freenode.net
21:15<meowcats>hm ok
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21:16<meowcats>on another note ATI has opengl 4.0 before nvidia :p
21:16<meowcats>just too bad i cant use it
21:16<abrotman>on another note, nvidia doesn't care about its users
21:16*abrotman goes back to vi vs emacs
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21:16<dr|zed>nvidia doesn't care about its opensource os users. it LOVES its windows users. :/
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21:41<twb>I found at least two packages (cron and libgvc5) skipped running their postinsts when I installed them. Looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/, I can see the .postinst files are absent, though there are other .postinsts there. What could account for this behaviour?
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21:42<abrotman>they just don't have one ?
21:42<twb>Also, how can I find out what OTHER packages skipped their postinsts? Tools like cruft and debsums don't know about /var/lib/dpkg/info/, because the manifests don't list those.
21:42<twb>abrotman: the file isn't there.
21:43<abrotman>it might not have one at all
21:43<twb>abrotman: they definitely *should* have postinsts.
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21:43<abrotman>why?
21:43<Tenacity>:0~
21:43<twb>Erm, because the source and binary debs both contain the postinst script
21:43<abrotman>did you remove it?
21:43<twb>abrotman: AFAIK, no.
21:43<twb>#575797
21:44<abrotman>dpkg: dbugs 575797
21:44<dpkg>#575797:I[graphviz] There is no layout engine support for "dot". Perhaps "dot -c" needs to be run (with installer's privileges) to register the plugins? (); Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:36:02 UTC []
21:44<abrotman>huh?
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21:47<twb>abrotman: that describes the symtoms of one of the postinsts not being run.
21:48<abrotman>if you say so
21:49<twb>I don't see what more evidence I can bring to convince you.
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21:53<meowcats>x264 yas ffms2 and lavf input now :)
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21:54<meowcats>even can create bluray compliant streams!
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23:20<twb>I have some legacy hosts still running syslog-ng instead of rsyslog, and I don't really want to migrate them right now. Anybody know how to stop syslog-ng generating --MARK-- events?
23:21<twb>I can't see anything relevant in /etc/default/syslog-ng nor /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf nor the syslog-ng manpage.
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23:22<twb>The syslog-ng.conf manpage says "mark(n) -- The number of seconds between two MARK lines. NOTE: not implemented yet."
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23:28<dpkg>Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/default/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart.
23:30<gsimmons>twb: See https://bugzilla.balabit.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10 and try mark(0) anyway, assuming you're using syslog-ng 2.0.9-4.1.
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23:33<twb>I was gonna try a mark_freq(0) first, based on some random mailing list post google found
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23:36<johnfg>hi guys
23:36<johnfg>Where does debian keep it's administative password for mysql?
23:37<johnfg>Is it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf?
23:37<johnfg>Seems to me like it may have been elsewhere.
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23:39<Nicksola>hi
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23:40<johnfg>I want to restore some databases, including mysql, and when I did it before (a while ago, so I don't remember), there was an error about the administrative password.
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23:49<raylu>johnfg: i think the default password is the root password... but i'm not sure.
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23:53<dr|z3d>For MySQL?
23:53<johnfg>Well, I restored, and I've got the one php program working correctly, but haven't done a reboot yet. It seems to me like that was where the problem was, but may be it was with the version before lenny.
23:53<johnfg>dr|z3d, Yup, for mysql.
23:53<dr|z3d>I think you get explicitly asked to set a password when you install. Otherwise I have a feeling it might be blank..
23:54<johnfg>When I restored with mysql.sql, and had those passwords that I'd set, mysql was looking elsewhere for the administrative, i.e., root password.
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23:54<johnfg>dr|z3d, I think they may have reconfigured this to avoid this problem.
23:54<dr|z3d>you might just try a dpkg-reconfigure mysql
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23:55<johnfg>dr|z3d, No, not necessary. I knew the root password I set when I installed mysql. But I needed to restore my databases.
23:55<dr|z3d>Oh, ok, Nevermind, then.
23:56<emkuf>How do I install drivers in debian?
23:57<dr|z3d>emkuf: What for? The kernel supplies most of them without any effort on your part..
23:58<emkuf>well I have doubts my ite raid controller card will work if I just plug it in
23:58<dr|z3d>try it!
23:58<emkuf>k
23:58<twb>IME if hardware doesn't Just Work, it's a toss-up as to whether it'd be easier to buy a different unit instead of trying to get shitty proprietary or third-party drivers to work.
23:59<sney>as I recall, ITE drivers have been in the kernel for a long time
23:59<emkuf>well ITE has drivers for linux on there site
23:59<twb>I've no experience with ITE.
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