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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-03-30

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00:03<sney>oh, that's why ite raid is so familiar. it's one of those PATA raid controllers.
00:04<twb>sney: fakeraid?
00:04<dr|z3d>Not scsi raid..
00:04<sney>it was commonly bundled with motherboards
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00:05<emkuf>I just use the card to add more drives and stay away from its raid function
00:06<sney>some googling suggests there's an official-ish kernel patch to make it work, from the -ac tre
00:06<sney>tree, even
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00:07<sney>the ITE vendor driver is broken in 2.6.9 and newer.
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00:07<emkuf>ok just installed it and it hangs on startup
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00:08<sney>without driver support it should just do nothing
00:08<emkuf>Yeah I just dont know how to install the drivers
00:09<sney>no I mean it shouldn't even hang, if it doesn't have driver support nothing would happen
00:09<dr|z3d><sney> some googling suggests there's an official-ish kernel patch to make it work, from the -ac tre
00:09<sney>are you sure the controller is good? have you used it recently?
00:09<dr|z3d>You need to patch your kernel, in other words, emkuf.
00:09<emkuf>worked in XP
00:10<dr|z3d>Installing drivers in Linux is not like installing in Windows..
00:10<emkuf>had to get the drivers for that too
00:10<emkuf>i figguered that
00:10<dr|z3d>So, the kernel is where you need to focus your attention.
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00:10<sney>I'm surprised debian doesn't have some m-a or other assist to get it working, ITE controllers are fairly common
00:11<emkuf>seeing as ite is on every motherboard =/
00:11<emkuf>ok so I need to be in the terminal right?
00:11<GeorgeDorn>I'm on debian. I used m-a to install nvidia.
00:12<emkuf>whats that?
00:12<GeorgeDorn>oh
00:12<GeorgeDorn>forget it
00:12<emkuf>mkm
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00:17<twb>gsimmons: mark_freq(0) worked
00:17<sney>emkuf, dr|z3d: more googling has shown that the ite 8212 IDE raid controller's driver is already in the kernel, as it821x.ko
00:17<emkuf>so debian should have it?
00:17<gsimmons>twb: Hooray!
00:17<sney>definitely has it
00:18<sney>emkuf: if you're experiencing a hang on boot it's a different problem. try editing the grub boot entry - take out the word 'quiet' and boot, see if it gives you more information
00:18<emkuf>cool so what do I do, cause I googles installing drivers for debian and I could not find what I needed
00:19<twb>At least, I *think* it worked. You can never be quite sure that an absence is a true negative :-)
00:21<emkuf>well I unplugged the card and started up fine, so the card is doing something
00:22<sney>emkuf: try it in a different pci slot
00:22<emkuf>k
00:23<adb>take a look at dmesg | tail , in same time
00:23<sney>if he gets a boot hang, how is he going to look at dmesg
00:24<emkuf>no idea what that is
00:24<sney>taking quiet out of the boot options at least makes sense
00:24<sney>emkuf: dmesg is the system log, it tells you exactly what the system knows about what's plugged into it, among other things.
00:26<emkuf>nope it hangs at, Loading please wait
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00:29<emkuf>./bin/sh : can't accsess tty; job control turned off
00:30<emkuf>(initramfs)
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00:37<notacow>I am attempting to compile a module and have run into some problems. Running this xen kernel: 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 on Lenny. Here is a paste of what happens: http://pastebin.com/0a4DFrhf Thanks!
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00:38<jthomas>heya
00:38<notacow>hi
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00:39<SmittyJensen>Anyone have experience with vmware? i have a game i need to run (maplestory) but was wondering if it'll work good or not.
00:39<twb>SmittyJensen: I wouldn't be surprised if that runs under wine.
00:40<SmittyJensen>it doesn't due to hackshield.
00:40<emkuf>Debian anger *smash!*
00:40<SmittyJensen>twb, you'll find a lot of these asian games use gameguard or hackshield.
00:40<gsimmons>notacow: There is no "21lenny3" anymore. Run apt-get update, then try your apt-get command again.
00:40<SmittyJensen>I was mainly wondering how good 3d performance is.
00:41<SmittyJensen>can i run something like guild wars under the new vmware on windows 7?
00:41<adb>SmittyJensen, ask #vmware on irc.freenode.net
00:41<SmittyJensen>ok. i wasn't aware they had an irc. thanks
00:42<adb>yw
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00:45<notacow>gsimmons: thanks very much! That did it. I don't know why I didn't think to apt-get update earlier.
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00:50<twb>Why doesn't the game industry wake up to FOSS?
00:51<adb> game industry ? it's a anti FOSS industry ...
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00:51<twb>But it doesn't have to be.
00:52<adb>twb, seen sony disabled linux on ps3 ?
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00:53<twb>adb: console hardware isn't the same as game software
00:53<adb>but the vendors are the same ..
00:54<adb>mainly ..
00:54<twb>Sony might release games, but it doesn't actually code most of them.
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01:03<rkit>greetings. can anyone explain how to get 5.1 sound working in alsa? i'm using lenny xfce
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01:11<twb>OK, this is fucked.
01:11<twb>I noticed some postinsts were running, and were missing in /var/lib/dpkg/info/.
01:11<twb>So I ran an "aptitude reinstall" on each installed package in turn.
01:12<twb>And then I noticed that dpkg-dev-el had *lost* a postinst it had previously. And then re-running "aptitude reinstall dpkg-dev-el" a second time, the postinst is back.
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01:19<rkit>anyone knows a channel where people actually help
01:19<twb>I'd be inclined to blame the dpkg from experimental, except this first occurred before then.
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01:22<rkit>wake up everybody no more sleeping in here
01:22<twb>rkit: plonk.
01:22<adb>!tell rkit -about alsa
01:23<rkit>yes please
01:23<adb>!tell rkit -about selftell
01:23<rkit>translate
01:23<dr|z3d>What's the incentive to wake up, rkit? What are you offering? :)
01:23<adb>!pt
01:23<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
01:23<jm_>maybe first learn how to use your irc client
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01:24<rkit>i'm looking for help
01:25<adb>you get , use it now
01:25<rkit>advice on setting up alsa to get 5.1 sound
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01:29<adb>what's '5.1 sound' ?
01:29<cahoot>http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/SurroundSound
01:30<rkit>6 channels
01:32<rkit>thanks for the assist cahoot but i tried that already
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01:54<darius>hi, i have static iface configuration, but my ISP requires that i make DHCP request every 12 hours (my system does not use dhcp client). what could be workaround for that? is thare some utility that can pretend to be DHCP client but moke no effect to the system itself?
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01:56<cached>where do i go to regist account and apply for cloak?
01:56<twb>cached: #oftc would be the obvious place to start.
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01:58<twb>How do I tell aptitude not to emit progress lines for each download?
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01:59<darius>twb, you could try -q parameter
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02:02<twb>Yeah, that's an improvement.
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02:02<twb>Still noise for "Reading database..." in the typescript.
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02:03<darius>do you want to get just ERROR messages or nothing at all ?
02:05<jm_>darius: probably forge it with tools like hping2
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02:06<darius>jm_, thanks, i'll try it
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02:11<vhann>Hi, I want to wake-on-lan my Debian lenny server. ethtool reports it 'wakes on: g' and I set 'NETDOWN=no' in /etc/rc0.d/S90halt. The interface's LEDs are lit while the machine is off, but I can't get the machine to wol. Is there something I am missing?
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02:13<twb>vhann: is wol enabled in the bios?
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02:13<twb>i.e. supports vs. supports-and-enabled
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02:14<vhann>twb: I'm pretty sure it is, but lemme make sure
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02:15<twb>Also, and this may seem stupid, but are you looking at the right port?
02:15<twb>If you have two cards, it could be the other one
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02:16<vhann>twb: Nah, I checked the LEDs and it is the right interface (the other one isn't even used)
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02:17<vhann>twb: Actually, I'm starting to think this is a bug in the router (I'll try plugging the 2 computers with a crossover cable)
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02:18<jm_>hopefully a switch, not a router
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02:19<twb>If either side are gige, you are guaranteed to have auto-sensing (no need for crossover)
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02:19<Supaplex>vhann: is this onboard, or an expansion card?
02:20<vhann>Supaplex: I use the onboard interface (this is a P3 so wake-on-lan cable could have been an issue)
02:21<Supaplex>humm. I've had mixed success with wol. I haven't had to use it in a long time.
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02:34<vhann>Wtf, I even see the interface LED flashing when sending magic packets with 'wol'...
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02:34<vhann>Still the machine won't boot :S
02:35<kamran>hmm
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02:36<chanell>ciao
02:36<chanell>!list
02:36<dpkg>chanell: VATTENE VIA
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03:05<vhann>Finally found the problem guys: it seems you need to enable things in /proc/acpi/wakeup for WOL to work: http://lists.pdxlinux.org/pipermail/plug/2007-May/054264.html
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03:20<zfra>I have a problem 'apt-get update' hangs at 99%
03:20<jm_>zfra: check if you have google.com in sources.list* files/dirs
03:20<dr|z3d>zfra: try: aptitude update instead.
03:21<dr|z3d>Oh, known issuem jm_?
03:21<jm_>dr|z3d: yeah, http://blog.venthur.de/2010/03/29/apt-get-update-slow-when-lang-c/
03:22<jm_>that's a trick to find out how many people are using chrome ;)
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03:22<dr|z3d>Cheeky buggers!
03:23<dr|z3d>Not like google to want to track everyone, is it?
03:23*dr|z3d chuckles.
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03:27<taleon>Hi.
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03:33<twb>jm_: what trick?
03:33<twb>Oh, yuk, google follows opera's lead of putting their repo in sources.list.d?
03:34<jm_>twb: yeah, it asks you IIRC, but there was also a bug in older version if you said N
03:34<zfra>jm_, dr|z3d: thanks. So GIYF, but google-chrome isn't? there was this /etc/cron.daily/google-chrome, ugly thing, already purged.
03:34<twb>!GIYF
03:34<dpkg>methinks giyf is Google Is Your Friend. http://google.com/linux
03:35<jm_>zfra: I guess they'll sort out the problem someday
03:36<dr|z3d>zfra: Whilst you're here, you might consider aptitude over apt-get for future use.
03:36<dr|z3d>!why aptitude
03:36<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
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03:41<jmm>hi.
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03:42<zfra>dr|zed: I thought apt-get was more robust than aptitude, in terms of dependency issues. Thanks again.
03:45<dr|z3d>yw, zfra
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03:55<beer>There has been no updates to sid the larst couple of days. Is there something going on that I dont know or do I have a dead mirror?
03:57<Supaplex>I broke it
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04:02<zfra>dr|z3d: it wasn't only the g-chrome bug, it is something different I think, because now my sources.list only works partially
04:03<zfra>it has a problem with Err http://ftp.debian.org testing Release.gpg, wich I think is in the security repo (sorry about the typo)
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04:06<gsimmons>dpkg: tell beer -about ries
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04:38<zfra>'apt-get update -o Debug::pkgAcquire::Auth=1', hangs at 57% [Waiting for headers]
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05:39<snogglethorpe>zfra: both aptitude and apt-get have their issues; there's a large old-fogie contigent who seems to hate aptitude tho
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05:41<Supaplex> !start an apt war
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05:46<twb>snogglethorpe: noooo, dude
05:46<twb>snogglethorpe: old fogies still love dselect
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05:47<twb>There's a BTS bug somewhere where someone says "can we PLEASE split dselect and dpkg codebases" and some fogey responds with a "nooo! My preciousssss!"
05:47<snogglethorpe>maybe it's the curmudgeons who'll have none of this aptitude nonsense
05:47<snogglethorpe>i forget
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05:53<davromaniak>hi
05:53<davromaniak>does any documentation exists on how to change the kernel of a debian CD ?
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05:54<twb>davromaniak: how did you build this CD?
05:55<davromaniak>twb: I didn't build a CD
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05:55<davromaniak>I need to change the kernel of the Debian installation CD 1
05:55<davromaniak>(my raid controler isn't detected by the "normal" debian cd)
05:56<davromaniak>and I build a custom kernel which might work (based on the 2.6.26-21lenny4 package)
05:57<gsimmons>dpkg: tell davromaniak -about custom netinst
05:59<themill>davromaniak: if an installer with a newer kernel would suffice (not necessarily a custom kernel), then /msg dpkg kmuto
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06:01<automatik>anyone know something about unmounting external drives?
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06:03<edhunter>automatik: you do need to be more specific..
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06:04<automatik>trying to do umount on a drive connected via usb
06:04<zfra>snogglethorpe: so isn
06:04<automatik>get a 'drive is busy' response
06:04<zfra>snogglethorpe: so isn
06:05<zfra>snogglethorpe: so isn't this an issue about security + Release.gpg?
06:05<tweber>automatik, something is accessing the drive. Do you have a terminal open where you are 'on' the drive?
06:06<automatik>one terminal is open
06:06<automatik>but only trying the umount command
06:06<babilen>automatik: 'lsof | grep -e "/media/whatever"' should tell you which process is currently using the frive
06:06<babilen>s/frive/drive
06:06<automatik>k
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06:07<babilen>automatik: You have to terminate all processes that are using the drive. It will most likely just be a terminal whose cwd is beneath the drives mount point
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07:45<babilen>!tell bbobins -about selftell
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08:31<mbruins>hi, i just installed debian with xorg and gnome-core. my laptop wifi doesnt work yet (and i understand because i do not choose full features) but how can i fix it myself. im think about a driver or something but maybe that to windows minded
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08:34<Ox90>hi mbruins, we will require a little more information about the wireless card. What model is the card, is it built into the laptop, usb or pcmcia?
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08:48<shadi_>any arabic channel for ubuntu ?
08:48<@Ganneff>!ubuntu
08:48<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
08:48<@Ganneff>ask them about the rest
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08:52<EL>hola
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09:04<kevin>any know compiz efek SIS
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09:05<dr|z3d>kevin: efek SIS? Wtf is that?
09:05<dr|z3d>I guess we won't be finding out.
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10:00<mika_video>Hi! I just succeeded to fix a bug in kaffeine 0.8.7 (the one included in debian lenny) - it needs about 1 code line to copy to another place - and modify a little too ...
10:01<mika_video>So who could help me to get this fix into the official debian lenny / kaffeine package ?
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10:02<ml|>mika_video: is there a bug report for that issue?
10:03<mika_video>the bug is so simple that if there were a bug report, then the bug should have been fixed as well! - it is to copy (and modify a little) exactly ONE code line
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10:04<mika_video><ml|>: or should I try the reportbug tool to report it ?
10:05<ml|>mika_video: first make sure there isn't one in bts, if you don't find yes use reportbug to file it and also include your fix
10:06<mika_video><ml|>: can I just assume the bug has not been reported - becaise IF it is, the why on earth has ot not been fixed before since it is so simple to fix ?!
10:06<strahler>hi there, I have a problem. I did a backup yesterday of my whole system with luckybackup (being root). It was meant so sync source with destination, that the destination contains the new files... somehow I ended up with a mixed system. I think luckybackup overwrote some files in /usr/lib/ oder wherever... I'm not able to execute aptitude update, I got errors like: /usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp/usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp: : symbol lookup errorsymb
10:06<strahler>ol lookup error:
10:06<ml|>mika_video: best not to assume, look first
10:06<mika_video><ml|>: and, I have no idea, how to check bts ?
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10:07<ml|>!bts
10:07<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
10:07<strahler>amarok is not starting because of dbus errors...
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10:07<strahler>is the a chance for my system or do I have to make a new instalation?
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10:09<strahler>or is there a way to re-link the whole /usr/lib/ folder?
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10:11<ml|>strahler: seems you are not sure what's going with your system/backup; best thing to do is a reinstall, only way to know your system is ok; but maybe someone here can help you somehow; good luck
10:11<strahler>ml|: cheers, yeah that's my problem
10:13<dkr>strahler: ldconfig is what examines the lib dirs to builds the shared lib list.
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10:13<dkr>ldd `which aptitude` would show you if any libs are missing it needs
10:14<babilen>strahler: you might be able to get aptitude working by installing the missing packages with dpkg (see the ldd tip) and reinstall all (~i) installed packages afterwards ..
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10:14<strahler>ahem, ok, I got a list with ldd, missing are lib without an arrow?
10:15<dkr>ones that say "not found"
10:15<strahler>linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb776c000) like this?
10:15<dkr>no
10:15<strahler>"not found" is nowhere
10:15<babilen>strahler: Search for the package with "apt-file" or on packages.debian.org if that is not working too
10:16<dkr>strahler: can you paste the exact error message you got running aptitude? you earlier one got cut off
10:16<strahler>ok. np sec
10:17<strahler>http://nopaste.info/c1dd5eb82e.html
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10:18<User_007>is Squeeze frozen now?
10:18<dkr>oh, it's the helper application that is having the problem, not the aptitude binary itself: try ldd /usr/lib/apt/methods/ftp
10:19<strahler>every lib is pointo on another lib, the only different lines are: linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7875000)
10:19<strahler> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7876000)
10:19<strahler>nothing like "not found"
10:19<dkr>weird, so maybe the lib is there, but a different version, hence the undefined symbol
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10:20<dkr>did you do any updates in between the backup issue?
10:20<strahler>no. because ftpmaster is down
10:20<strahler>so, no chance fpr updates
10:20<babilen>!dbugs 561852
10:20<strahler>but I did this "backup"
10:20<dpkg>DONE:#561852:G[apt] apt: Method http has died unexpectedly (undefined symbol:) (); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:03:01 UTC []
10:21<strahler>so I fear, this backup replaced some neuw libs with old ones.. but just a guess
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10:21<strahler>yeah, I already found this bug report, but this does not solve my problem
10:21<babilen>strahler: Have a look at the bug report mentioned above
10:22<babilen>ah, ok. Why not?
10:22<strahler>LD_BIND_NOW=true apt-get update - didn't help
10:23<strahler>I downloaded apt from debian.package and reinstalled it... no chance
10:23<babilen>strahler: I just wanted to suggest that ...
10:23<babilen>no chance == no difference?
10:23<strahler>yes
10:24<babilen>what about aptitude?
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10:24<babilen>but that should be unrelated .. :-\
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10:24<strahler>actually, I purged apt 5 minutes before and installed it again with downloaded debian packages. aptitude the same
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10:25<strahler>but no problem solved unfortunately
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10:26<mika_video>it seems that the debian bug tracking system is not real time - I sent a report yusing reportbug but it is not there - not even after reloading the web page ...
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10:27<babilen>mika_video: When did you send it?
10:27<mika_video>a few minutes ago - no mail reply either
10:27<ml|>just wait a bit
10:27<babilen>mika_video: And no - the bts is not real time (whatever that might be)
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10:27<babilen>just be patient
10:28<babilen>the mails are spam-checked and need to be processed
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10:30<strahler>ok, I grab a debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso
10:30<strahler>And I always thought only updates could harm my sytem ;)
10:30<ml|>strahler: that may have bugs, use lenny installer then move to testing if you want
10:31<strahler>ok
10:31<strahler>any quick guides for a quick reinstall?
10:31<ml|>!ig
10:31<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
10:31<mika_video>if anyone wants to read my report of the kaffeine bug, see here: http://pastebin.com/m20AW3uL
10:31<strahler>dpkg --get-selections > selections.txt
10:31<dpkg>i haven't a clue, strahler
10:31<strahler>ah. ok
10:32<ml|>maybe this will help... http://wiki.debian.org/LennyIllustratedInstall
10:32<strahler>and I'm running an encrypted system...
10:33<mika_video>Actually, reportbug seems to work in a little strange way - it did put the version number 0.8.7-1 but lenny has 0.8.7 .... hopefully whoever reads it will put it into correct place despite of this
10:34<themill>,versions kaffeine --release lenny
10:34<judd>kaffeine -- lenny: 0.8.7-1
10:34<themill>mika_video: ^^ as you can see, lenny has 0.8.7-1. The -1 indicates the debian revision of the package /msg dpkg debian revision
10:35<mika_video><judd>: in the about box of kaffeine it says 0.8.7 (using lenny)
10:35<themill>mika_video: kaffeine is version 0.8.7, the kaffeine *package* is version 0.8.7-1.
10:35<strahler>one question. I there a way to upgrade from stable to testing at the moment? Without ftpmaster?!
10:35<@Ganneff>ftpmaster has nothing to do with that
10:35<@Ganneff>you use a mirror
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10:42<strahler>ok, I'm burning the image. Thx a lot for all your help!
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10:44<s4br3>panic! My gf will be home in an hour, and I said she could chat over msn, skype, and facebook on my desktop. But, I have never tried it myself, and don't know which clients are actively developed. Are both emesense and kopete still being developed? I would hate force her to switch client anytime soon... Which is the most up-to-date client for chatting on msn?
10:44<sico`sleep>i use amsn myself
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10:44<drewdavis>I don't know about emesense, but Kopete works just fine for me.
10:44<sico>pidgin?
10:45<Torsten_W>mc
10:45<s4br3>I think pidgin was replaced by emesense
10:45<Torsten_W>grr, wrong window
10:45<s4br3>what is amsn?
10:45<sico>http://www.amsn-project.net/
10:46<s4br3>not in any repository?
10:46<s4br3>yup it was!
10:47<www>it's a chatting software for msn
10:47<s4br3>Do you need a hotmail address to get started?
10:47<www>yes
10:47<s4br3>:(
10:47<sico>msn/homtail account
10:47<s4br3>darn..
10:47<sico>i believe it's *just* for msn
10:47<www>i used it before
10:47<www>but now i favorite pidgin
10:48<s4br3>I have Kopete up but just don't understand anything of theinterface
10:48<babilen>s4br3: pidgin works fine AFAIK
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10:48<sico>if it's for your gf, and she's used to msn/live messenger, try amsn.?
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10:50<s4br3>She would understand it? Ok, the interface of amsn looks familiar, as I have seen it. I just cannot see where to enter the same data in Kopete...
10:50<drewdavis>settings -> configure -> add account
10:51<s4br3>Aaah! Thanks! Mille grazie!
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10:52<s4br3>Kopete seems able indeed. That should have been the welcome screen, however, for us newbies. Again, thanks!!!
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10:53<s4br3>Cheers, hope she will be flattered enough... ;)
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10:57<rpetre>hello, tonight i'm planning to migrate (reinstall, that is) my dom0 from lenny/i386 to lenny/amd64. anyone has any war stories related to this?
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10:58<sney>rpetre: the whole point of a stable distribution is to keep war stories to a minimum. You should be fine.
10:59<rpetre>heh
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11:33<strahler>hi guys. Sorry, me again. I was very close to reinstall my system... but: At the moment I have a encrypted LVM which contains my /home and /root . The debian installer only sees one logical partition. Does anyone has an idea, how I can format an reinstall my /root in the LVM wohtout loosing my /home ?
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11:50<paveq>strahler: you will need decryption key and password secured at least
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11:50<paveq>I doubt debian installer can handle that
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11:52<strahler>paveq: hmm... ok. So, is there a way to reinstall /root with a running system?
11:52<strahler>right now the container is "open" and accessible
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11:54<sney>strahler: the easiest way would be to back up the lvm contents and just make a new one, install fresh
11:55<strahler>hmm.. ok
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11:55<sney>my datacenter tech training taught me that's the way it's Supposed to be Done(tm)
11:55*cttsai
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11:55<strahler>sney: ok, thx!
11:55<Betty>ok
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11:56<cttsai>Hi all, does anybody know how to make my windows default open in the maximum size? in gnome....
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11:57<Betty>olaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
11:57<jerryclunsford>I am using Debian Lenny with the browsers Iceweasel and Epiphany. Why do I get a brown box with a play arrow when a website has animation.
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11:59<babilen>jerryclunsford: I guess that you want to install a different flash player.
11:59<babilen>!flash
11:59<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
11:59<babilen>!adobe flash
11:59<dpkg>Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
11:59<jmm>!suicide
11:59*dpkg kills herself Juliet style, after seeing jmm commit suicide
12:00<babilen>jerryclunsford: I recommend the package from backports
12:00<babilen>!tell jerryclunsford -about bpo
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12:02<jerryclunsford>Thank you all. Hopefully that will cure the java script drop down list problem that I have when there is animation below them.
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12:03<Cygnus>I am doing an etch->lenny upgrade the following packages have unmet dependencies: ... Question how do i find out why 4 packages are installed on the system. Is it ok to upgrade the whole system and how do i retrieve this information to fix in the future?
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12:04<rpetre>Cygnus: try "aptitude why <package>"
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12:07<rpetre>where can i learn about the change in policy about having "recommends" on default (and the expected impact of turning this off)?
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12:07<themill>dpkg: tell rpetre about apt recommends
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12:07<babilen>dpkg: tell rpetre -about why recommends
12:08<rpetre>thanks, i tried "recommends" but it didn't help
12:09<Cygnus>ok, so i have a hunch that i'll get into trouble if i continue this, can someone please take a look here http://paste.debian.net/66645/
12:09<babilen>!tell rpetre -about dpkgbot
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12:09<babilen>rpetre: You can search the factoids database yourself :)
12:09<rpetre>i am not too familiar with advanced dpkg(-bot) usage, i just throw random queries at it, it usually works :P
12:10<rpetre>thanks again
12:10<babilen>rpetre: no problem .. :)
12:10<babilen>Cygnus: Are you upgrading from etch to lenny?
12:10<Cygnus>yes
12:10<Cygnus>following the factoid of dpkg
12:11<jerryclunsford>That got It, all working great. Thanks again.
12:11<babilen>Cygnus: Yeah, looks like it. And the output of which command is that?
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12:11<babilen>jerryclunsford: \o/
12:12<retrospectacus>!next
12:12<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:12<babilen>Cygnus: I'm just wondering why, e.g. python-gnome2-extras is being held back. The version in lenny in >= 2.19.1-1
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12:12<Cygnus>babilen: aptitude safe-upgrade
12:12<Cygnus>babilen: it is indeed a standard etch install
12:13<babilen>Cygnus: You can either do a "full-upgrade" or paste the complete output of that command and we can investigage your options ..
12:13<rpetre>babilen: so i understand that the "recommends" dependencies are more thoroughly looked at in lenny so i can leave that flag on without having too much bloat, yes? (at least in older releases, i found the recommends to be a bit too spammy for my taste)
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12:14<Cygnus>babilen: ok wait a sec
12:14<babilen>rpetre: It is up to you ... Dvelopers are advised to recommend only those packages that fit the "recommends" definition and "suggest" the others .. There might always be packages that don't exactly adhere to that definition. You can file a bug against these if you feel that is the case ...
12:15<babilen>rpetre: If *you* know exactly what you want -> disable them ... but do you have any spacial reason for that?
12:15<rpetre>was there some sort of flamewar on the mailing lists regarding this,soi can read pros/cons?
12:15<babilen>hehe
12:16<babilen>I am sure that there was a debate - you'll have to search the archives yourself though
12:16<rpetre>i like small installs usually and have found that i need little stuff beside the depends
12:16<babilen>but recommends are well looked after now that they are the default ..
12:17<babilen>rpetre: Then don't install them. Nobody is forcing you! You can build the system the way *you* want. It is just that most recommends really make sense
12:17<babilen>rpetre: But they are not necessarily needed to run the program ..
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12:17<rpetre>well,of course they don't force me :) I just (very rarely) try to pretend i'm not a retrograde @#$% that doesn't understand progress
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12:17<babilen>rpetre: And you can always disable/enable them for specific packages if you want to ...
12:18<babilen>rpetre: It's your system. We just give (sorry for the pun) recommendations. :)
12:18<rpetre>heh
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12:19<themill>rpetre: there are occasional bad things from recommends or recommends of recommends dragging in too much, but in general I find that it's installing packages I want anyway,
12:19<babilen>exactly
12:19<rpetre>tried looking for the obligatory flamewars, but can't come up with a specific enough google query
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12:19<themill>(and in those situations, you can put one package on temporary hold with : to stop it from being installed and all is well again)
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12:20<Cygnus>babilen: The initial 72 lines of the redirected output of aptitude safe-upgrade say Resolvin dependencies...
12:20<babilen>Cygnus: Do a "full-upgrade" ;)
12:22<Cygnus>babilen: Should i reboot first? If the process kills the system, will you help me revive it?
12:22<babilen>Cygnus: I will leave soon - but a full-upgrade should not kill your system
12:23<babilen>Cygnus: Also read lenny's release notes - They go into great detail and are the best documentation on the upgrade process ...
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12:23<babilen>Cygnus: And #debian will be there for you even if I am not here anymore :)
12:24<Cygnus>babilen: thx
12:28<Cygnus>Would it be wise to reboot between aptitude install aptitude (it seems glibc was updated) and aptitude upgrade (ok, i admit it i am a little nervous)
12:29<Cygnus>Can it be done inside gnome or would it be wiser to do it over tty?
12:30<dr|z3d>Cygnus: It can be done fine in a terminal, or tty.
12:30<ml|>I would do this process in a tty
12:31<Cygnus>Switching over to tty
12:31<dr|z3d>I defer to you there, ml|, then. :)
12:31<ml|>heh :)
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12:33<Cygnus>I am running once more aptitude safe-upgrade from tty just to make sure X did not messed things up :)
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12:41<babilen>Cygnus: X shouldn't make a difference for aptitude dependency resolution, but it is highly recommended to perform dist upgrades not within X :)
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12:42<Cygnus>babilen: thx, ml| allready recomended doing it over tty and the release notes 4.1.4 says so
12:42<babilen>Cygnus: I see you are taken care of :)
12:42<babilen>have fun and good luck
12:43<Cygnus>babilen: thx again
12:43<Cygnus>it seem 1 will not be upgraded
12:43<babilen>1?
12:43<Cygnus>yes
12:43<babilen>one package?
12:43<Cygnus>python-renderpm
12:43<babilen>,versions python-renderpm
12:43<judd>python-renderpm -- sid: 2.4-1; squeeze: 2.4-1
12:43<babilen>hmm
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12:44<Cygnus>1031 MB to download, i guess for the next couple of hours i can manage to worry about other stuff :)
12:44<babilen>that package is not in lenny and apparently not in etch as well
12:45<ml|>kinda makes sense since it's not in lenny
12:45<Cygnus>Then how did it arrived into this box?
12:45<babilen>Cygnus: I always do these updates at university/work .. A 10Mbit downlink is great :)
12:45<babilen>Cygnus: Check "apt-cache policy python-renderpm"
12:46<Cygnus>babilen: download is in progress, i guess i will never know
12:46<babilen>Cygnus: hehe :)
12:46<ml|>Cygnus: take a break while you wait :)
12:47<babilen>yeah, invite somebody to a coffee
12:47<Cygnus>ml|: thx i'll comply
12:47<ml|>with a good connection should only take ~40 minutes, if that much
12:48<babilen>more than enough time for a tête-à-tête
12:48<ml|>heh, :)
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12:50<Cygnus>Why did safe
12:51-!-distress [~AIDS@81-233-33-245-no36.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #debian
12:51<Cygnus>Why did aptitude safe-upgrade pointed something different from aptitude upgrade ?
12:51<distress>what is the default file browser called in debian?
12:51<weasel>bash
12:52<ml|>:)
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12:52<distress>haha :(
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12:53<ml|>Cygnus: not sure what you ask, but the manpage should explain
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12:53<weasel>or maybe gnome's stuff.
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12:53<distress>yeah but what is it called?
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12:53<ml|>natulis?
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12:53<distress>thanks
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12:54<Cygnus>ml|: aptitude safe-upgrade marked the output of a pastebin i did earlier which babilen took a look at. and now aptitude says it will just keep one package from upgrading?
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12:55<ml|>I think what you are looking for/want to is aptitude full-upgrade
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12:57<Cygnus>ml|: this is the outpuo of aptitude safe-upgrade http://paste.debian.net/66645/ and full-upgrade mentioned it will not upgrade python-renderpm
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12:58<Cygnus>It is a matter of patiente now :)
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13:00<ml|>just follow the release notes and you should be fine
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13:00<distress>when im using wmii, the only way to browse files is by using the terminal?
13:00<Cygnus>I will be fine, no doubt about it, What worries me is how this laptop will end up
13:00<ml|>good luck btw :)
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13:01<amphi>distress: you can use any fm you like, eg. mc
13:02<ml|>distress: probably if you don't install a file manager
13:02<distress>so what is the best file manager? :)
13:02<drewdavis>distress: Depends what your needs are.
13:02<ml|>the one you like :)
13:02<Cygnus>distress: there is no best program at all, which one you like best.
13:02<amphi>!best
13:02<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
13:02*dr|z3d likes thunar and pcman-fm.
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13:03<Cygnus>distress: try from a shell nautlius --no-desktop
13:03*dr|z3d finds nautilus and dolphin too bloated.
13:03<ml|>yes, both of those are good; but nothing can compete with a terminal :)
13:03<distress>ah thanks Cygnus, thats the problem i had
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13:04<Cygnus>it should solve your problem for the momment, then go to #suckless and ask for help there, i believe they made that wm
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13:05<distress>yeah, great :D
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13:09<Gaxnys>hej alla som är här :D
13:09<Cygnus>Is there anything like the bloomber stock analyzing program on linux (read Debian)
13:09<Gaxnys>nej
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13:09<ml|>!se
13:09<dpkg>Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net), SE is also the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code for Sweden, it was included in the standard 1974.
13:09<Gaxnys>meh
13:09<Gaxnys>tråkigt :<
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13:10<mohsen>hi,are you know a software for design a html page in linux(debian 5,lenny)?
13:10<Gaxnys>mohsen, is that even english?
13:10<ml|>Cygnus: try searching after all goes well, with aptitude
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13:10<dr|z3d>Cygnus: There are quite a few stock-based apps.
13:10<mohsen>in windows i`m use dreamwaver.
13:11<Gaxnys>mohsen, you mean that you are looking for a WYSIWYG-editor?
13:11<Cygnus>dr|z3d: like?
13:11<dr|z3d>mohsen: Try Kompozer.
13:12<mohsen>thx
13:12<dr|z3d>Cygnus: Like qtstalker, for example.
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13:13<Cygnus>dr|z3d: thx,
13:13<dr|z3d>mohsen: You might also find you can run Dreamweaver under Wine, with some minor glitches.. depends on your version.
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13:13<Cygnus>ml|: I can ssh into a debian server and do some research there.
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13:14<ml|>Cygnus: great :)
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13:15<Cygnus>I'll confess on the risk of beeing banned from this channel this machine is running a live cd form ubuntu :D
13:15<ml|>use aptitude ncurses
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13:16<Cygnus>Wasn't there an apt bot?
13:16<ml|>apt bot?
13:17<mohsen>dr|z3d>i want to try run babylon with wine,it not work good.
13:17<themill>Cygnus: over on freenode
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13:17<Cygnus>themill: ohh, so you moved irc.debian.org to ?
13:18<themill>!oftc move
13:18<dpkg>irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00012.html. Operators and Bots (see <fact sharing>) will remain on both networks for the foreseeable future; you're welcome to either move to OFTC with i.d.o or stay on Freenode. Questions? Ask in #debian on either network. Want to know why? See http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2006/04/msg00333.html
13:18<dr|z3d>mohsen: No idea what babylon is? Translator app?
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13:18<mohsen>dr|z3d: it`s a dictionary
13:19<dr|z3d>mohsen: If not Wine, then try VirtualBox.
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13:21<mohsen>dr|z3d:my pc is a pentium III,i think it very slowly,what your idea?
13:22<dr|z3d>mohsen: How much ram, what speed the processor?
13:22<amphi>mohsen: what sort of dictionary?
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13:24<mohsen><dr|z3d> it`s 800Mhz and have 320mg of ram
13:24<dr|z3d>Forget it, then.
13:24<dr|z3d>Too little ram.
13:25<mohsen>amphi: Cambridge
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13:26<drewdavis>mohsen: Quanta+ is another good HTML editor.
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13:26<dr|z3d>There's also bluefish, which is more text-editor than wysiwyg, but still, useful tool.
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13:27<amphi>mohsen: an english dictionary? or englisg->foo/foo->english? I ask because there are several useful dictionaries for dictd
13:28<mohsen>drewdavis: thx u
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13:31<Cygnus>There is still no way to do a parallel download from different servers using aptitude?
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13:35<mohsen>amphi: thank you very much!!!
13:36<sico> i'm getting errors with locales. after update/upgrade, i'm getting errors in LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL.
13:37<sico>i've tried locale-gen, it crashes. and i tried dpkg-reconfigure locales (and dpkg-reconfigure console-data)
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13:45<amphi>mohsen: you're welcome; I find a locak dictd very useful
13:46<amphi>mohsen: dict-devil is also quite nice ;)
13:46<mohsen>kidding?;)
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13:48<amphi>no; it's a well-known satiric (or not) work by Ambrose Bierce
13:48<amphi>mohsen: example: PATRIOT, n. One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.
13:48<dkr>"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce
13:49<amphi>heh
13:49<ml|>hehe
13:50<amphi>MARRIAGE, n. The state or condition of a community consisting of a master, a mistress and two slaves, making in all, two.
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14:21<distress>why is bash saying that shutdown isnt an existing command? what should i use instead?
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14:22<retrospectacus>distress: try it as root
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14:36<fenix>hello
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14:51<sico>distress: i use poweroff
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14:51<distress>is that possible without root?
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14:53<Cygnus>distress: try /sbin/shutdown -h 0
14:53<dr|z3d>Requires root.
14:54<dr|z3d>That's why it's in /sbin/ ..
14:54<distress>oh, didnt know that
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14:54<sico>ctrl+alt+del ?
14:56<meowcats>distress: pull power cord?
14:56<distress>i did su - root and then shutdown -h now
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14:59<ml|>pulling the power cord will not do a proper shutdown
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14:59*dr|z3d laughs.
14:59<dr|z3d>!beer ml|
14:59*dpkg pours a pint of Jever for ml|
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14:59<ml|>^-alt-del will reboot in a tty, not shutdown
15:00<jhutchins_lt>Accidentially got caught up in a kubuntu support issue. So... broken...
15:00<ml|>dr|z3d: thanks :)
15:00<jhutchins_lt>Does pressing the power button initiate a shutdown in debian?
15:00<dr|z3d>So obvious it just had to be said, ml| :)
15:01<jhutchins_lt>It did in CentOS 4, don't remember if you had to be logged in as root or not.
15:01<jhutchins_lt>Ctrl-Alt-Del from a root console would do a reboot.
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15:01<dr|z3d>jhutchins_lt: Depends on power management support.
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15:01<ml|>jhutchins_lt: if set up yes and that works as a user also
15:02<jhutchins_lt>ml|: Is that a default setup?
15:02<ml|>for ^...?
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15:02<jhutchins_lt>Enabled?
15:02<alekibango>hello. http://incoming.debian.org/ is down?
15:02<ml|>yes
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15:03<ml|>even if know one if loogged in
15:03<jhutchins_lt>alekibango: According to http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/incoming.debian.org it's not just you.
15:03<ml|>there is a setting to disbale that and only user that are logged in can use
15:03<ml|>*users
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15:04<alekibango>jhutchins_lt: thanks :)
15:04<alekibango>just ... i didnt get new packages in 50 hours, which made me curious... i am addicted to updates :))
15:05<ml|>[#debian]
15:05<ml|>en.html#s-restrict-reboots
15:05<ml|>""""""""
15:05<ml|>"" restart the machine now ""
15:05<ml|>$ sudo shutdown -r now
15:05<ml|>or
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15:05<dr|z3d>alekibango: If you like updates, you probably should be running testing.
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15:06<ml|>oops sorry
15:06<alekibango>dr|z3d: i am running unstable :)
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15:06<ml|>http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s-restrict-reboots
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15:06<dr|z3d>alekibango: Ok then!
15:06*ml| curses at kb and myself
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15:12<dpkg>O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned!
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15:27<Cygnus>Get the kids out of the server room please
15:27<dr|z3d>Kids? More like rats chewing at the cables..
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15:32<simm>anyone got any suggestions to why why I set up X my TV tells me its running 1080i and how do I get it to run 1080p? I'm guessing its something in my xorg.conf but not sure what
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16:25<jagez>what happened to snapshot.debian.net?
16:25<adb>!sdo
16:25<dpkg>http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained.
16:26<jagez>thanks
16:26<adb>yw
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16:30<meowcats>squeeze has gotten really stable in the last few months :)
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16:32<jagez>I beg to differ! my keyboard broke this morning (debian testing)
16:32<meowcats>well stop hitting it so hard
16:32<jagez>:)
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16:38<sdk>I want to create a symlink pointing to a drive on another system for realtime log file duplication. Both systems are GNU/Linux. I don't want to have to use Samba and a mount, seems slightly excessive. Does anyone have suggestions as to how I would do this?
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16:39<sdk>nm, google is my friend. duh.
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16:39<sdk>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246273 if anyone's interested.
16:39<thad>hello?
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16:40<thad>does anyone use chrome here?
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16:42<meowcats>my neighbor has chrome wheels
16:42<EmleyMoor>After editing /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules, what can I do to make the changes active?
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16:51<jagez>wohoo I got my keyboard working again.
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16:52<jagez>interesting new behaviour when the keymap info isn't found - ignore keyboard completely!
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16:54<EmleyMoor>Have written 1 DVD and lost control of my burner
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16:56<EmleyMoor>I am considering rebooting to see if that helps - but I would rather find a better way
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16:56<EmleyMoor>No more time
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17:04<jthomas_sb>Running Sid with an XP guest in VBox, reverting to my snapshot is NOT removing tool bars that weren't installed an hour ago. Whats up with that?
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17:11<EmleyMoor>Well, that seems to have fixed it - wish I could have avoided rebooting
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17:13<EmleyMoor>All SATA and all working
17:14<ml|>EmleyMoor: did you try /etc/init.d/udev restart or stop then start ?
17:14<EmleyMoor>The former, yes, no change
17:14<EmleyMoor>Will bear the latter in mind if I should ever get this in the future
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17:15<EmleyMoor>At least I only have one dud to return
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17:17<ml|>ok, sometimes a restart does not always work; but I'm not 100% sure the latter would work either, but worth a try next time
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17:18<Cygnus>ok what happens when i finish downloading the apps neede to do a distro update, it mentions that it needs 0.9 GB to download, i have some 1.2 Gb freespace on /var I will get a not enough disk space error. How can i solve it?
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17:19<EmleyMoor>Cygnus: Got spare space anywhere else?
17:19<Cygnus>Remember this is an ongoing processit seems /home has some extra space
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17:21<EmleyMoor>Well, unless you want to do something like adjust partitions with a gparted live CD, it's tricky to know a good way forward
17:21<Cygnus>Is it safe to interrupt the process now and uninstall software?
17:21<ml|>but /home is a separate partition right?
17:21<Cygnus>yes
17:22<Cygnus>moving stuff around is no problem
17:22<EmleyMoor>Uninstalling won't help
17:22<EmleyMoor>(well, not much)
17:22<Cygnus>why not /var/lib has 1.3 GB
17:23<ml|>not sure what you can move around from /
17:23<Cygnus>i think / will not be the problem but /var
17:24<ml|>/var uses it own partition as well?
17:24<Cygnus>yes
17:24<EmleyMoor>/var/cache/apt is where most of the space is used in an upgrade
17:24<Cygnus>dohhh
17:25<Cygnus>Installation of software is done before or after uninstalling packages?
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17:26<habl>hi
17:26<ml|>Cygnus: did you have old stuff in /var/cache/apt/archives/ before starting this?
17:26<habl>got some problems with a debian server and was hoping somebody could help me out
17:26<ml|>!ask
17:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
17:27<habl>ok ok :p
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17:27<Cygnus>ml|: no, but the numbers will not let me lie, unless you can install and uninstall lots of libs on 200Mb i am in deep trouble
17:27<habl>my root partition is full.. now the problem is, i deleted a lot of files (about 3gb) allready
17:27<habl>and it still says it is full
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17:27<habl>and a lot of services stopped working correctly now
17:28<Cygnus>habl: df -h will tell you where the problems are
17:28<Cygnus>habl: du -ckh dir will tell you how much space you are using on each of your subdirs
17:28<Cygnus>habl: react accordingly
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17:28<habl>tried them both allready, df says, 100% usage, du says it's not :p
17:29<ml|>Cygnus: you could try aptitude autoclean; not sure it will help tho
17:29<Cygnus>ml|: is it safe to go back one step, clean stuff and then rewalk my steps?
17:30<Cygnus>habl: check ionodes, maybe you got too many small files for your filesystem (just guessing)
17:30<ml|>don't know, but what was the previous step?
17:30<Cygnus>moving sources.list to point to lenny
17:31<habl>how can i check that Cygnus?
17:31<Cygnus>df -i
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17:31<etarra>ola
17:31<etarra>ola
17:31<Cygnus>mierda, etarra deja de joder
17:31<etarra>de onde eres
17:31<etarra>ke no
17:32<ml|>!es-social etarra
17:32<dpkg>etarra: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:32<Cygnus>calla la boca y vete a tomar por el culo
17:32<habl>Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
17:32<habl>/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 427392 84550 342842 20% /
17:32<etarra>putoss
17:32<Cygnus>tu madre
17:32<etarra>cabrones
17:32<etarra>ola
17:32<Cygnus>!ops etarra needs to get out
17:32<etarra>ola
17:32<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cygnus complains about: etarra needs to get out
17:32<ml|>Cygnus: just ignore
17:32<etarra>ola
17:32<etarra>ola
17:32<etarra>ola
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17:32<ml|>Ganneff: thanks
17:32<Cygnus>sorry, little stressed here but thx
17:33<Cygnus>ml|: sorry
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17:33<ml|>Cygnus: but how would that help, you still need to clean stuff?
17:33<distress>lol the bot in here is awesome
17:34<Cygnus>from where i am sitting i think i can get make some space on the /var/lib subdir enough to let things barely fit
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17:36<ml|>I you think you can do that without messing things up; how do your other partitions look?
17:36<ml|>s/I/If
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17:37<Cygnus> /home feels sturdy enough some 3Gb of free space
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17:39<Cygnus>ml|: I think i managed to revert the whole stuff. I will poke aptitude by hand to delete some stuff i'll keep you informed. Thx for your support and patiente
17:39<ml|>try doing that but move what you think you can to /home somewhere incase things go wrong you can always put them back; another option is to resize your partitions then continue
17:40<Cygnus>Im in between distros, i really don't know how safe it would be. Since i don't know if lvm was installed on this lapl
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17:41<ml|>can't you just do a fresh install and avoid all this?
17:42<Cygnus>I don't have a way to burn a cd and installing from usb is out of the question
17:42<Cygnus>pxe is not my specialty either
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17:44<habl>i was able to remove more data, so now the usage is 88%
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17:45<ml|>I see; I don't use lvm, maybe others can help you on that
17:45<CRpp>hey all
17:45<CRpp>iam a newy to this
17:45<habl>but that is still to much, i'm only using like 3gb on a 7gb partition and removed really a lot
17:45<Cygnus>618Mb on /var/mysql i think that will do the trick, moving to /home :D
17:45<ml|>:)
17:45<CRpp>question ho do you download the package and install it
17:46<Cygnus>wget, dpkg -i
17:46<ml|>dpkg: tell CRpp about reference
17:46<CRpp>i want to download it first...but it seem a big program
17:46<ml|>CRpp: why do you need to download a package?
17:46<CRpp>which is the best way
17:47<ml|>first what do you want to install?
17:47<CRpp>just the basic
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17:47<CRpp>64bit
17:48<ml|>read what dpkg yold you and you want to use aptitude or synaptic to install things from debian repos
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17:49<CRpp>i want to get the debian "lenny"
17:49<CRpp>with gnome
17:50<ml|>so you want to install debian? aren't you using debian now?
17:50<CRpp>nope
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17:51<ml|>dpkg: tell CRpp about ig
17:51<ml|>CRpp: read what dpkg told you to learn about debian and install debian
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17:52<CRpp>ok cooll bbl
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17:55<Cygnus>ml|: 800Mb to fool around for aptitude. Do you think it would be enough?
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17:56<Guest721>hey guys does anyone know where the kernel directory is in debian
17:56<ml|>Cygnus: not sure
17:56<Guest721>i am try to figure out the kernel configurations by using make oldconfig
17:56<Guest721>that will show me a GUI menu and i check the configurations
17:57<ml|>dpkg: tell Guest721 about kernel-handbook
17:58<ml|>dpkg: tell Guest721 about make-kpkg
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17:58<petemc_>Guest721: /boot/config-(version)
17:58<ml|>Guest721: but do you really need to compile your own?
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17:59<Guest721>no i just want to check the configurations
17:59<Guest721>so i can use them on another kernel
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18:01<Guest721>thanks
18:01<ml|>Guest721: read what dpkg told you for more info
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18:07<Cygnus>Fast question where are the db cluster for postgres located on debian?
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18:14<nostmith>Cygnus, should be in /var/lib/postgres/data but not sure...
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18:14<Cygnus>nostmith: thx
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18:18<Cygnus>nostmith: 500 MB :) moven to /home
18:18<arctix>hello, is anyone there who has a bit time to help me?
18:19<Cygnus>ml|: I think aptitude will have enough free space. Now lets see how much i screwed things to jump this whole thing :)
18:19<Cygnus>!ask
18:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:20<ml|>Cygnus: good luck!
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18:34<bogard>any ideas?
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19:26<Cygnus>i am supposed to be on a 4Mbit link, and i am downloading sutff at 30 kB/s its take one awfull lot of time to do a dist-upgrade, is it possible to download the files and do the same process over a local link?
19:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 386] by debhelper
19:27<Cygnus>s/take/taken
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19:29<dr|z3d>Cygnus: Is that SDSL, or ADSL?
19:29<Cygnus>adsl
19:29<dr|z3d>...
19:30<dr|z3d>Hmm.. sorry,. that shouldn't matter if you're talking about downloading.
19:30<dr|z3d>Done any bandwidth tests?
19:30<ml|>maybe try a different mirror?
19:30<dr|z3d>Or, perhaps you might use synaptics "find best repository" feature..
19:31<dr|z3d>That will identify the fastest mirror for your location by testing the speed of all mirrors.
19:31<Cygnus>I believe the download test and changing mirror will have to wait for next time
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19:31<Glorf>Hmm
19:31<ml|>Cygnus: but did you download all this already before the space issue?
19:31<Cygnus>dr|z3d: man synaptics he he whole different story :)
19:32<Cygnus>only part
19:32<ml|>didn't*
19:32<Glorf>you've always got 30kb/S ? or only in synaptic download
19:32<dr|z3d>:)
19:32<dr|z3d>Cygnus: If you're still downloading, you _can_ happily abort that process, change mirror, and resume.
19:33<ml|>Cygnus: again take a break, enjoy the beer given previously :)
19:33<Cygnus>dr|z3d: you were saying about "find best repository" :)
19:33<dr|z3d>I was, Cygnus.
19:33<Cygnus>how
19:34<dr|z3d>Run synaptic, go to the repository section..
19:34<ml|>or ...
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19:34<ml|>!apt-spy
19:34<dpkg>a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using.
19:34<Cygnus>ml|: I am kind of a multitasking workaholic
19:34<ml|>even better, you can drink will doing stuff :)
19:35*Cygnus sips from his Talisker bottle
19:36<dr|z3d>Got the option, Cygnus?
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19:38<Cygnus>Synaptic is supposed to be the Grafical front end for apt-get right?
19:38<dr|z3d>Indeed.
19:38<Cygnus>I just can't find it :(
19:38<dr|z3d>just run from the command line?
19:38<dr|z3d>synaptic
19:38<ml|>it's not installed? ;)
19:39<dr|z3d>Also possible. :)
19:39<Cygnus>:( command not found
19:39<dr|z3d>then install it, I guess.
19:39<ml|>or try apt-spy
19:40<ml|>which you probably need to intall
19:41<Cygnus>apt-spy from what distro lenny or etch?
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19:41<ml|>lenny since that's where you are moving to
19:42-!-zerofrancisco is now known as zfra
19:42<ml|>release would be a better term that distro
19:42<ml|>*than
19:43<Cygnus>ok, point taken, i just don't like beeing in between *releases* i might break something beyond my ability to repair stuff
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19:44<ml|>you could just wait it out, but you seem to be in a hurry ;)
19:44<Cygnus>i am in a hurry, but i think it is no use rushing things
19:46<ml|>yeah not a good idea to install stuff midstream
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19:46<dr|z3d>I guess one could just choose another mirror and edit apt sources. Doesn't sound like you can pick a _worse_ mirror. :)
19:47<ml|>heh
19:47<simonrvn>debian news is see debian-news
19:47<simonrvn>woops, ECHAN
19:47<ml|>heh
19:47<Cygnus>Don't count on my luck to choose mirrors. If there is one worse mirror i am sure i'll choose it
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19:53*ml| volunteer's dr|z3d to pick one for you
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19:54<dr|z3d>:)
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19:54<thad>hello is anyone using chrome in here?
19:54*dr|z3d has chrome fenders on his car. "does that count?"
19:54<thad>-_-
19:54<ml|>no heh
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19:55<dr|z3d>!anyone
19:55<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
19:55<thad>is that a bot?
19:55<ml|>yes
19:55<Cygnus>thad: you come here asking about a non-free web browser from a company that makes a living out of doing webanalytics?. Do you think the program will have some acceptance here?
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19:56<dr|z3d>!beer Cygnus
19:56*dpkg pours a quart of Green Flash IPA for Cygnus
19:56<ml|>!next
19:56<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
19:56*Cygnus sips his beer
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19:57<ml|>Cygnus: what's the eta?
19:57<Cygnus>you don't want to know
19:57<ml|>yes, I asked :)
19:57<bigsnider>k
19:58<bigsnider>when u want it
19:58<Cygnus>it just went up to 7 hrs. I think it will come down in a few minutes time
19:58<bigsnider>k
19:58<bigsnider>still 020410
19:59<ml|>Cygnus: ouch, but you can do alot in that time ;)
19:59<Cygnus>Believe me i've done it :(
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20:00<babilen_>Cygnus: still waiting?
20:00*babilen_ waves
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20:00<maroc4ever>hi
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20:02<__maroc__H>hi
20:03<__maroc__H>hello every body
20:03<babilen>welcome
20:05<__maroc__H>hru?
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20:08<babilen>!confuse __maroc__H
20:08<dpkg>Yes, what is our mushroom tomorrow, __maroc__H? Trousers of the Democracy of Tibet with extra crabpaste.
20:08<babilen>__maroc__H: Do you have a question?
20:08<__maroc__H>oh what happend
20:08<dr|z3d>!lart __maroc__H
20:08*dpkg whacks __maroc__H with the cluebat
20:09<dr|z3d>!beer dpkg
20:09*dpkg deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for dpkg
20:09<ml|>__maroc__H: this channel is for debian support _only_
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20:10<babilen>__maroc__H: Is there anything we can help you with?
20:10<jsubl2>is the intel video driver on squeeze gettin any better.
20:10<babilen>jsubl2: Better than what?
20:11<__maroc__H>so i biging the programmation in unix os
20:11<__maroc__H>but the library conio.h donsen't exist ?
20:11<jsubl2>well last i tried squeeze you ended up with vesa and it was pretty draggy
20:11<babilen>!tell __maroc__H about apt-file
20:11<__maroc__H>where ?
20:11<babilen>__maroc__H: You can use apt-file to search the package that contains that file ..
20:12<ml|>__maroc__H: what is your native language ?
20:12<babilen>__maroc__H: It's probably in a -dev package, if there is a Debian package for that library
20:12<__maroc__H>you can tell me the name
20:12<__maroc__H>arab but i speak english as second language
20:13<__maroc__H>soory french
20:13<babilen>__maroc__H: No, you can use apt-file or the search functionality on http://packages.debian.org yourself
20:13<__maroc__H>it's change a lot if i use ubuntu ?
20:14<__maroc__H>& not debian
20:14<babilen>__maroc__H: Ubuntu is *not* supported in here
20:14<babilen>!ubuntu
20:14<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
20:14<ml|>__maroc__H: for example ... http://pastebin.com/12JgqeJe
20:14<babilen>__maroc__H: /connect irc.freenode.org and /join #ubuntu
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20:15<babilen>__maroc__H: And say thanks to ml| :)
20:15<__maroc__H>oki
20:15<__maroc__H>thx for the help
20:15<__maroc__H>good night
20:15<babilen>__maroc__H: It's probably one of those packages ml| mentioned - good luck
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20:16<__maroc__H>i:)
20:16<__maroc__H>oki good nigth
20:16<ml|>__maroc__H: please do as babilen says you are using ubuntu
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20:17<__maroc__H>oki
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20:18<evanbd>I'm having weird problems with sound since switching to a usb audio device... What is the Debian recommended sound system? (ie ALSA, OSS, ESD...) And what's the recommended configuration utility for it?
20:19<babilen>that would be alsa .. and there is alsaconf (rarely needed) and alsamixer
20:19<evanbd>OK.
20:19<evanbd>So, when telling programs to use ALSA...
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20:20<ml|>evanbd: /msg dpkg alsa-checklist ; should help
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20:21<evanbd>xine sometimes plays sound, and sometimes doesn't. It mostly seems to depend which file I try to play. Audacious2 plays sound, but takes several seconds to respond to controls, and switches to the next track before the previous one is finished (and sometimes just crashes).
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20:25<evanbd>OK, ran through the alsa checklist.
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20:26<evanbd>Am I supposed to unload the snd-pcm-oss module and then reload it?
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20:27<evanbd>Neither unloading it, nor reloading it after, helps :/
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20:29<robsonpeixoto>hi. Are there any unofficial repo with games ? thanks
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20:31<dondelelcaro>robsonpeixoto: the main repositories have games in them
20:31<meowcats>!mono
20:31<dpkg>mono is probably either infectious mononucleosis ("glandular fever", "kissing disease"), or a community initiative to develop an open source, cross-platform version of the Microsoft .NET development framework. http://wiki.debian.org/Mono http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup http://www.mono-project.com/ #debian-mono on irc.oftc.net.
20:31<meowcats>!wine
20:31<dpkg>[wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
20:32<ml|>meowcats: /msg dpkg selftell
20:33<robsonpeixoto>dondelelcaro, thanks.
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20:33<drewdavis>apt-get.org has a list of unofficial repos, but... don't come crying to us if what you download turns out to be a trojan.
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20:34<evanbd>Anyway, afk for a few minutes, will return with more alsa questions...
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20:38<__maroc__H>re
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20:39<__maroc__H>salut
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20:42<__maroc__H>je l'aide svp
20:42<ml|>__maroc__H: not here in #ubuntu on freenode
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20:50<zfra>drewdavis: what's the difference between 'deb ftp://ftp.foo' and 'deb http://ftp.foo' in the sources.list?
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20:50<Cygnus>zfra: isn't it obvious?
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20:51<Cygnus>zfra: man curl or man wget will render you the answear
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20:54<Cygnus>zfra: protocol://machine/subdir/file
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20:57<evanbd>Any suggestions on ALSA problems? Audacious2 is slow (several seconds) to respond to stop / pause, and cuts off the last several seconds of each track.
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21:00<zfra>Cygnus: thanks. So in 'protocol://machine/subdir/file', 'machine' does'n imply any protocol even if it "looks, reads, suggests" like using one?
21:01<Cygnus>Exactly
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21:01<Cygnus>you could change machine for its ip address to see it more clearly
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21:01<zfra>Clear enough, fair enough. Thanks!
21:02<Cygnus>Yw
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22:08<evanbd>Any suggestions on ALSA problems? After upgrading to a USB audio device, I get weird audio issues. Audacious takes seconds to respond to commands and cuts off the ends of tracks, for example.
22:12<gord>evanbd: my instinct would be to use synaptic to search for all installled alsa , then mark for reinstall. that sorted my sound problems every time
22:13<tom4golf> /quit
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22:13<evanbd>gord: Hmm. Sounds odd, but worth a try.
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22:14<gord>evanbd: yep, i got the technique form supporting family/friends ubuntu bugs, a lot of problems show up in that distro haha
22:14<gord>from*
22:14<wald0>im using LUKS for a crypted partition but the speed of the disk looks very damaged, is there any faster encription algorithm (maybe a special option for LUKS) even if is a lot less secured ?
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22:15<Cygnus>wald0: ext3?
22:15<wald0>Cygnus: encripted partition
22:16<wald0>formated to reiser4
22:16*abrotman runs away screaming
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22:17<wald0>well, the filesystem not matters, im asking for a faster algorithm of encription
22:17<wald0>by other side im not sure how much resources this default encryption requires
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22:19<evanbd>gord: No luck :/
22:20<gord>evanbd: :( well, at least its nondestructive and pretty fast dodge :) I'm out of ideas, sorry, I'm mainly server admin you see
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22:21<arctix>Hello. My problem is that for some reason after hard reset my system can't start. It's giving many errors connected with my hdd fe: Buffer I/O Error on Device sda5, Logical Block 1. It may be caused by smartmontools wich disabled partitions check at system boot I think. Now I'm running on debian live and it has given same errors, but finally it started. Any ideas how can i solve this problem?
22:21<evanbd>I'm used to audio working under Linux... This is anything but.
22:21<evanbd>It's just a USB DAC device, which has been standardized for what, over a decade? :(
22:21<gord>evanbd: yes i've never had any serious problems myself in over 10 years
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22:22<evanbd>I've had a few, but they were all due to weird semi-supported hardware or something.
22:22<gord>evanbd: any usb errors in dmesg?
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22:23<evanbd>Nope. Nothing of interest since "...input: Burr-Brown from TI USB Audio DAC..." on startup
22:24<evanbd>And later "usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio"
22:24<gord>arctix: i had a problem with a loose sata cable on one kernel recently with such an error
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22:27<arctix>gord: is it possible that it may also cause that grub doesn't want to show me list of my installed systems? I though that it happened because partitions check was disabled after installing smartmontools
22:27<gord>evanbd: I can only suggest trying a audio/media channel forum if you don't find something soon, maybe trawls some *buntu forums, they seem to have a large following in the music scene, i get a few requests for help from them every month in my local area
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22:28<gord>arctix: yes my symptom was no grub menu lost, the sata lead was actually loose to the cdrom drive
22:28<evanbd>OK, thanks
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22:30<arctix>gord: my sata cable has locks on both sides to avoid such situations, anyway ill check it w8
22:31<marinho>.
22:31<marinho>Hola ..
22:31<gord>arctix: ah they're usua;;y good, but check for distortion on the end of the connector, after a while they sometimes flex and dont put enough pressure on the contacts
22:32<gord>arctix: they sort of go slightly elliptical, if you see what I mean
22:33<gord>hi :)
22:33<wald0>abrotman: is there anything bad with reiser4 ?
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22:33<abrotman>arctix: that error usually means, bad drive or bad cable or bad controller
22:33<abrotman>wald0: i don't want to flood the channel :)
22:34<wald0>abrotman: hum... it has worked very good for me
22:34<gord>wald0: I fid XFS similar perfrmance, less trouble
22:34<abrotman>okay, best of luck!
22:35<wald0>gord: why trouble ? i have do a few torture tests (forced reboot while the disk is fully working on misc things) and the filesystem recovered perfectly etc..
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22:37<baloo>I wonder why older versions of the gnome weather applet had all the official weather stations, but the one in squeeze only has the most major ones available, and no obvious way to restore the old list from lenny
22:37<arctix>strange thing that my system started to crashing while it was working, started with appearing windows from my IM about impossibility of writing history, then i lost my both gnome bars and opened windows have hidden so i did hard reset and until now i can't figure out what's wrong
22:37<gord>wald0: i've had some server-grade crashes on reiser4, thats all, all cured with backup so didnt debug, but seemed to be more touble than it was worth. my application was large files frequently deleting so XFS maybe fits the scenario better for me
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22:39<gord>arctix: hmm,, maybe (after disk toubleshooting) try a memtest run overnite, but boot error sounds like drive or cable to me
22:40<gord>arctix: did you suspect drive prpble,s? you recently installed smartmon you say
22:40<gord>*problems
22:41<arctix>gord: i'm not sure that we both talk about same cables. You meant to check the cable that goes to motherboard, yes?
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22:41<wald0>gord: sounds coherent since the filesystem is not really much tested by the community (so, reported bugs and fixed etc)... btw, which version of kernel ?
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22:42<gord>arctix: yes sata data cabe, flat/thin one, but check both ends clean/undamaged, sometimes tarnished from air polutants, like tobacco smoke or aerosol sprays/sea air
22:43<gord>wald0: ah, was a few months ago now, maybe just after lenny release for maybe 6 month? don't recall exact kernel got too many systems
22:43<arctix>gord: at first start after i've installed smartmontools i've seen that partitions weren't checked (wich happened always i think) and right after information that they weren't checked there was {Warning} in orange colour
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22:45<gord>arctix: even a quick plug/unplug clears some sata lead problems. /// hmm, ensure you have important data backed up, of course ;)
22:47<gord>arctix: my prioroty would be moce important data somewhere, like usb drive or to a server, then do smart lonb/offline test on disk, then memtest overnite. you must rule out hardware first, and these tests run while you sleep l)
22:47<gord>l) = ;)
22:48<gord>sorrt typing in dark here
22:49<arctix>gord: you mean plug&unplug while drive is working, or what? anyway my biggest problem is that informations stored there need to be send today..
22:49<gord>No!!!!
22:49<gord>truned off
22:49<gord>power off
22:50<gord>haha sorry for panic :) never do stuff like that with power on, unles server-grade for hotplug hardware
22:50<arctix>so i did of course many times, i've plugged&unplugged on hdd side many times, and i did the same on motherboard side a while ago
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22:51<gord>arctix: ok, sane error now> and this is before grub menu yes?
22:51<gord>same
22:51<arctix>hehe, don't worry i always ask 10 times before i do such things that do any damage
22:51<gord>cool
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22:52<gord>arctix: it may be that if cables have had many insertions over time they have becoe soft/bent and dont make good contact, do you have spare cable?
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22:54<arctix>hmm grub loads normally and stucks right b4 when it should show menu. it has loaded a couple of times so i could start my windows, where i downloaded ext3 reading application and only /boot partition opened
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22:54<marinho>no hay nadie de mexico
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22:54<dr|z3d>!es
22:54<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
22:55<gord>arctix: aha, makes me suspicous. so you've been using a windows ext3 "driver" ?
22:55<arctix>i've got a spare one, will try to eliminate this possibility
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22:56<arctix>i've just used windows application to read the ext3 partitions cause there is a file i need for today
22:56<arctix>all of partitions were made while installing debian system
22:58<arctix>http://img535.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=dsc00977tp.jpg these 2 are errors given when grub loaded and i've chosen my kernel
22:58<gord>arctix: physical prpblems lead to corrupion, so it's important to rule out before it s worse, thats all. // OK wel you could use a live cd to grabmove any data you need hmm, i recall that error gave me problems a several stages of grub loading, sometimes seemed like a bios problem, stage 1.5, partway fhrough menu listing, etc, it varied a lot until i sorted it
22:59<arctix>check them if you can and ill try spare sata cable
23:00<gord>arctix: yes looks like hardware to me
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23:01<gord>arctix: it's also possible that a BIOS reset might help if the controller is confused, record any special settings you have in the bios first, and the boot drive order
23:02<arctix>hmm i'll be thankful if you can tell me how can I move my data to other working partitions, cause i've got no idea how can i do it
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23:03<gord>arctix: also be very careful about recordning SATA mode (sata+pata) anc AHCI modes if yu dualboot windows, i think windows can be upset by wrong setting, if you reset bios be carefull to document current settings
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23:04<dr|z3d>Resetting the bios to "safe defaults" should be fine..
23:04<gord>arctix: my problem is sleep, its now 4am here :( need to be up soon for important job so must sleep, , you'll need help recoverying data from someone else here sorry
23:05<arctix>it's 5am where i live :D
23:05<gord>arctix: but remember with a faulty cable you wont be able to recover anything
23:06<arctix>okay, thanks for trying :)
23:06<gord>noprobs good luck
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23:06<arctix>anyway bios reset didn't work, ill try spare cable and not sure what will do then..
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23:07<gord>arctix: get a liveCD downloaded, my preference would be RIP (recovery is possible) or similar
23:08<evanbd>Ugh. I rebooted for no good reason, now it works. I thought I left Windows to avoid this :(
23:08<gord>booting from a live cd and mounting your partitions you can copy data to anither disk (not partition on same disk)
23:09<arctix>i've downloaded debian live and grml
23:09<b000ze>Do I need portmap program running on lenny ?
23:09<dr|z3d>b000ze: Running any services there you need seeing from the net at large?
23:09<gord>evanbd: no a reboot is a valid troubleshooting technique when all else fails, it might have been a strange hardware or firmware issue
23:10<b000ze>dr|z3d, I dont understand
23:10<dr|z3d>b000ze: then no, you don't need portmap.
23:10<evanbd>gord: It would be valid if I had a reason for doing it, or had changed something that might require one.
23:10<gord>arctix: ah that should be OK for recovery then
23:10*dr|z3d smiles.
23:10<evanbd>gord: This was not the first time I've rebooted since getting my new amp and having these problems.
23:10<evanbd>gord: It's just the first time it worked.
23:11<gord>evanbd: hmm, i'd consider your issue unreolved then, sadly
23:11<evanbd>Agreed.
23:11<arctix>my second disc is NTFS on sata where my windows is installed, is it possible to copy my data there? will it be possible to mount this partition?
23:11<gord>unresolved*
23:12<gord>arctix: yes, use ntfs-3g to mount the ntfs volume, as long as laast windows shutdown awas OK and not a dirty crash, you can write to ntfs with that
23:14<gord>arctix: with those erros its hardware issue, just be thankful the linux kernel is telling you there's a problem, not sure if windows would be so helpful
23:14<gord>arctix: or even detect it lol
23:15*gord looks smug with ecc ram and ZFS on most of his servers
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23:16<arctix>gord: you're sure that ext3 partition will mount? i've connected this spare cable, ill try debian live now
23:16<gord>arctix: yes the live CD should see all partitions, you casn mount at will usually
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23:17<arctix>gord:should i start normal live version or failsafe?
23:17<gord>remember if you maount drives under .mnt, creat subdirs, like /mnt/sda1 , /mnt/sdb3 etc
23:17<gord>arctix: I'd go normal first try
23:20<arctix>on debian live it gives same errors but anyway gnome starts, hope that i'll be able to copy this data - it's main thing for now ;)
23:20<gord>arctix: my normal workflow is like this - cat /proc/partitions , to make sure you see all drives then parted /dev/sda, to see whatpartitions have what filsystems
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23:21<gord>arctix: then same for sdb etc, until you work out where your /home partitions is (assuming you have seperate home )
23:22<gord>arctix: yes if time is problem just grab the essential data
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23:23<gord>arctix: i'd consider that drive suspect until proven otherwise, personally I'd download the manufacturers drive tool CD and do a full test (that'll be destructive)
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23:25<arctix>gord: my /home directory is on separate partition i think. OK debian live started, i'll try to copy this data
23:25<gord>arctix: if it passes manufacturers test thenmy next step is usually to run DBAN on the disk with multiple passes (like 21) and verify _all_ passes. That way any errors show up. beware dban and some newer disk contorllers have problems. with proces of modern disk i usually just buy new if I'm suspioius, your data is worth a llarge chunk of your life
23:26<gord>arctix: good seperate home makes it easer
23:26<gord>well, faster anyways
23:28<gord>copy the essential file first just in case disk fails soon, then copy all data again to another directory, potetntially it could crap out in 10 minutes from now <eek>
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23:28<gord>arctix: proiritize
23:30<gord>arctix: later, when you have time, you can investigate further and see if anything else needs saved, like maybe complex config files from /etc you have heavily edited, for example
23:31<arctix>aww, i'm not sure how i can download ntfs-3g :S or maybe I need to add line to /etc/fstab?
23:32<gord>arctix: not sure if ntfs3g on livecd, hmm. its usually a userspace mount
23:32<gord>you have networking up?
23:33<arctix>not sure, but aptitude search doesn't work
23:33<arctix>i mean doesn't give any response for ntfs-3g search, so network doesn't work probably
23:34<gord>arctix: you've tried mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdX /mnt/somewhere ?
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23:35<gord>arctix: i dont know if its on the livecd already, but kernel should support fuse
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23:36<arctix>" unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' "
23:36<arctix>anyway after
23:36<gord>arctix: o-uh. ok, apt-get update, then apt-get install ntfs-3g i presume
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23:37<gord>etch and lenny kernels support fuse, and the ntfs-3 is a fuse filsesyetm, so all can be done in userspace (at your commandline)
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23:38<arctix>after "mount -t ext3 /dev/sda9 /mnt/sda9" it says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda9, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In somem cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so"
23:39<gord>arctix: aha, try just mount /dev/sdX /mnt/somwheere , without the -t ntfs3g
23:39<robsonpeixoto>arctix, i recommend you install the fuse-utils and restart for non-root user can use the fuse
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23:40<gord>arctix: possible you got worng partiotin? if it's a normal (linux-y) fs it'll autodetect type (usually)
23:40<arctix>fdisk-l shows that it's ext3 partition
23:40<gord>arctix: but for ntfs you usually need the -t ntfs-3g i think, (out of my depth with windows haha)
23:41<gord>arctix: OK OK, crossed wires here
23:41<arctix>windows partition has finally mounted ;) now the ext3 one
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23:41<gord>arctix: you momnth you home as ext3 (no options needed) but your Windows partition needs to be mounted with ntfs-3g to be wroteable-to
23:42<gord>arctix: the ext3 should be a auto, not needed to supply the -t usually
23:42<gord>arctix: though if problems you can set it explicitly
23:43<gord>all this windows talk making me feel queezy :)
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23:44<arctix>aww yeah, true, i was used to mount only fat/ntfs partitions. so it should work with "mount /dev/sda9" with no arguments?
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23:44<gord>arctix: yes for the ext3 yeah
23:45<gord>arctix: well, you have to mount it somewhere, mount/dev/sda9 /mnt/somehwere for example
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23:47<gord>arctix: no luck?
23:47<arctix>gord: it says that i need to specify the filetype
23:48<gord>arctix: ok then if -t ext3 doesnt work, you may have corruption - needs a fsck - i;d dd it first to a file though, how large is the partition?
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23:50<arctix>i'm still not sure that this is the right one
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23:50<gord>arctix: ok here's my train of thought. suspect corruption, need to try fsck, BUT we need to make a copy of partition (to a file ) first, using dd, just in case the fsck screw it up furter // ah ok
23:51<gord>arctix: is gparted installed? that can be easier to get your head round with a picture
23:52<gord>arctix: its possible the fs isn't recognised because of damage you see, hence might beed fsck to cure it. i;d dd it first though, play safe
23:52<arctix>gord: when i was checking the errors while loading systems it gave everytime errors for sda5 and sda9 wich i'm trying to mount now
23:53<gord>arctix: but if thats the worng partition then no good. personall, i make a list of all partitions and create dirs for them all under /mnt
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23:54<gord>arctix: ok, well how about sda5? try mounting that? i usually mount them lll and just jump in wc to see whats what lol
23:55<arctix>gord: the errors for these two were something like this: Buffer I/O Error on Device sda5, Logical Block 1
23:55<gord>arctix: i suspect sda5 may be your /boot or / partition
23:55<gord>arctix: hmm, ok. Do you have lots of space on the ntfs disk?
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23:56<gord>arctix: II'm thinking dd the partitons to a file on the ntfs volume for safety
23:56<arctix>ntfs disk is 80gb, this one where linux is installed is 320gb
23:56<marinho>see you later ..
23:56<gord>arctix: ah, ok. thats the worng answer, sadly
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23:57<gord>arctix: are there any other linux-y partitions/fs lutsed in fdisk -l?
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23:57<gord>arctix:*listed
23:58<arctix>gord: gparted is still scanning for devices and im not sure it'll finish in this century
23:58<arctix>yes, there are all of them wich i've installed
23:59<gord>arctix: yep bad sign, usually means problems :( though unless you specify /dev/sda will scam all drives#
23:59<gord>arctix: do you hgave another large disk in another machine? we must assume /dev/sda has problems you see, hardware ones for now
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