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---Logopened Wed Mar 31 00:00:12 2010
00:00<gord>arctix: if you have space in another machine you could dd partitons there to a file, maybe using ddrescue
00:01<gord>you see, the i.o errors at boot time usually affect the whole physical drive, thats all partitions on that disk, so you shoudlt trust it.
00:01<arctix>sadly it's the biggest disk i have
00:02<gord>arctix: :( ok try fsck with safe otions then on the partition you suspect is your home partition
00:02<arctix>gparted finally loaded, anyway i've got same informations what fdisk -l gave me before
00:04<gord>arctix: ok, well, if you can;t be sure what is the home partition, or remember from the size in GB, then fsck the most likely one, as long as it;s unmounted, check by running mount
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00:04<arctix>gord: have you got any idea what i do wrong because everytime i try to mount it wants from me to specify filesystem type, i write "mount /dev/sda6 /mnt/sda6" and it doesn't work
00:04<gord>arctix: yep is suspec the fislesyetsm is corrupted so cant be recognised :(
00:05<gord>anyone esle got ideas? am i missing something obvious???
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00:06<dr|z3d>The only thing I can think of is running some data recovery tools from Windows.
00:07<arctix>gord: one partition mounts succesfully and i'm almost sure that is /boot because there is grub folder
00:07<gord>summary: dual-boot scenario on seperate disks, linux disk has I/O errors, wont boot, checked cables, user needs data from /home today, no big disk around to dd to :(
00:07<gord>arctix: yep thats the boot, but does it also have a /home on it?
00:08<arctix>there is only grub and lost+found
00:08<gord>ok that sa seperate /nboot like you thought
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00:08<arctix>same partition worked on windows when i tried to open them on windows
00:09<gord>arctix: i have a strange feeling about ext3 for windows.............not happy abut thati
00:09<gord>arctix: thoug i dont use MSwindows
00:10<gord>arctix: I'd do all my recovery from linux, naturally
00:11<gord>arctix: you tried mounting all other partitions on sda? without a -t option? jsut to see what mounts?
00:11<arctix>im almost sure wich partition is the right one, but i'm not 100% sure
00:12<gord>arctix: yeah its very easy to get confused with the passage of time, thats why i create filder under .mnt for all partiotions, them just mount them all, the ones that dont mount I assume are either ntfs or need fsck
00:12<arctix>all ext3 partitions except /boot show the same error: to specify filesystem type
00:13<gord>arctix: I do quitre a bit of recovery for people around here, so it;ls usually ntfs>>linux lol
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00:13<gord>arctix: yeah sounds like each fs other than than the /boot are corrupted somewhat
00:13<gord>the boot is usually read-pnly you see, less often damaged
00:14<arctix>gord: so is there any possibility to rescue this file for now, without using second disk?
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00:15<gord>arctix: well, I;d go for fsck /dev/sda9 , and see what it says, but DONT make any changes. /// well, true recovery always needs a seperate disk.
00:15<gord>arctix: what size is the /sda9 partiton?
00:16<gord>in GB
00:16<arctix>its 10 gb, but i think it's the /root partition if i still remember
00:17<gord>arctix:hmm, ok, the /home on the root partition too?
00:17<gord>arctix: hard to remember i know...
00:18<gord>witrhout the fstab for reference ynedtodocumentthi stff on another disk in case of troube le like this
00:18<arctix>my home partition is 27gb and it's separate
00:18<gord>ah cool
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00:18<gord>so, the ssential fle you the /home yes? f day?
00:18<gord>for today*
00:19<gord>sorry keybord tgrouble
00:19<arctix>yep that's most important for now
00:19<gord>ok thinking
00:20<arctix>im almost sure it's /dev/sda6 and it even goes in right order in GParted as i was installing it: boot, root, home, storage partition
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00:23<gord>arctix: ok, well, one last time, mount /dev/sda6 -t ext3 /mnt/somwhere
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00:25<arctix>other error than last time but still error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda6, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so"
00:25<gord>arctix: ok, fsck /dev/sda6 seems next step, I assume youtried dmesg just now?
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00:26<arctix>when i type dmesg | tail it gave me this error wich appeared when system started
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00:26<gord>arctix: yep, I/O errors
00:26<clin>A noob question. How do I know if clamav support reading from stdin?
00:26<clin>I read --help it contains stdout, but can not find stdin.
00:26<gord>arctix: thats the fundemental problem you see. hence the need to move all data to another disk
00:27<gord>arctix: do you have another machine to ytry the disk in>?
00:27<arctix>about write protection off, write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesnt support DPO or FUA" whatever this is
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00:28<gord>arctix: hmm anyone wkjnow a quick way to turn he caches off by any chance?
00:28<gord>sorry - for all - anyone know a quick way to turn he caches off by any chance? in case i/o error are related to disk's internal cache
00:29<arctix>this is the only desktop, i've got only laptop also
00:29<gord>arctix: hmm ok
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00:30<gord>arctix: you must understand, this is a worrying scenario, best practice is to ddrescue the whole disk to another big disk before you touch anything
00:31<gord>arctix: which is waht i always do myself. running fsck on a drive that has i/o error courld make it workse, much worse
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00:32<gord>my keybaord looks like it has bad I/O errors, apologies, it's dark in room and it's a cheap cordless usb keyboard on my knee in bed
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00:32<arctix>gord: is there any safe way to rescue this file without making things worse then? of course except ddrescue for wich i need one more disc
00:33<gord>arctix: what files do you need exactly?// no, no safe way without a second large disk sorry
00:33<arctix>it's one Word file
00:34<gord>if it was a simple case of a single filesystem corrupted, then yo could copy it to another partition or file on thee SAME disk, but this whole disk has errors, bad news, no safe way
00:36<gsimmons>clin: It does, see example #4 in clamscan's man page.
00:36<gord>arctix: ok, have a think and see if you think of the title or some unique words in the file (thinking - grep the whole raw partition the copy the raw sectors to a file - uber-geek stuff)
00:36<gord>arctix: bear with me for a minute or two..... its /sda6 correct?
00:37<arctix>it depends what correct means for you ;)
00:37<gord>arctix: ok, hehe
00:37<arctix>it doesn't mount like others (except /boot)
00:37<gord>arctix: ok but we assume sda is the one with the file on
00:38<arctix>i think that's the /home partition
00:38<gord>sda6 that is
00:38<gord>ok, hos much free space does df -h show for the ntfs partition?
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00:40<arctix>it's almost full, something around 99% even windows was warning about it
00:41<arctix>i've got 3 more partitions on this 320gb disk in ntfs
00:41<gord>arctix: wow - dangerous lifestyle
00:41<arctix>i mean... fat
00:41<gord>ah but thats the faulty disk
00:41<gord>got any usb disks?
00:42<arctix>and all of them seem to work on windows (when grub lets me to load windows..)
00:42<arctix>nope, only pendrives
00:42<gord>yes very little error checking inwondows you see, you wont even notice
00:42<gord>maybe some erorrs in syslog thats all
00:42<gord>windows syslog, or whatever its called there
00:43<dr|z3d>start -> run -> eventvwr.msc
00:43<gord>silent corruption it's called, scary
00:43<arctix>anyways files storaged on this disk seem to work perfectly, anyway they're only mounted on debian..
00:43<gord>about 90% o fthe recovery jobs i do ere are all wiondows ones with no errors under winows
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00:45<gord>well, wihout somehwre with 27GB of space, it's risky to run fsck on that partition, (if you allow it to fix errors that is - ok to run and make no changes)
00:45<gord>but making changes on a disk with known i.o error would scare me to death
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00:46<gord>hence need to dd (better - ddrescue) to another physcical disk first
00:46<arctix>im just wondering about buying some 500gb disk to do all this jobs, for now my both discs are almost full
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00:47<gord>usual scenario when I;m brougtht a disk like this, ddrescue to a new, bigger disk , and just trash the old one, not worth the worry
00:47<gord>do you have spare cash to buy today?
00:48<gord>in theory, you only need a 30 GB one, for the 27GB partition, dd it across, then run fsck on the NEW physical disk, where it can make changes safely wihout corruption
00:48<arctix>hmm, i think i could find some money today
00:49<gord>even an old disk lying around in an old machine would do, got any junked windows 98/2000 machines?
00:49<gord>well, probem is you might still not recover the file, so don't get too hopeful
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00:50<gord>the reason your linux partitions are corrupted, is they are the ones that are in use, so any data in.out will churn them up. it's a hardware problem, not linux
00:50<arctix>i got only 16gb spare disk wich may be even rusty, cause it was lying near the window :D
00:51<gord>if a partition isn;t mounted, only something like a piece of dirt inside the disk can damage them - that why your boot partition (mounted read-only usually) is OK
00:51<gord>arctix: yeah, well if you were thinking of a 500gb disk, today would be the time
00:52<gord>you don;t need two for this, reallly, but buying two gives you the ease of using one for emergency recovery today, then using the other one to re-install linux (or that windows thing)
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00:53<gord>I try to always have about 10 large disk around, you never know when you need them
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00:53<gord>disks are better nowadays, but more unreliable than people think
00:53<arctix>is it possible that smartmontools could be reason for this problem?
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00:54<gord>highly unlikey, i dont think smartmontools can set anything dangerous
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00:55<gord>i'll check though, you installed smartmontools, but did you do anything with it? like runn checks?
00:55<dr|z3d>smartmontools just reports disk health the the like.. to suggest it's somehow to blame is like blaming a thermometer for your ailments!
00:55<gord>^ exactly
00:56<arctix>i'm not sure that this is normal, but everytime or almost everytime some partition was checked, and after installing smartmontools there was no check and warning was given at the end of the line up the day when disk crashed
00:57<arctix>some option got disabled and i think it happened when smartmontools got installed
00:58<arctix>i used smartmontools to check for bad sectors but haven't done it properly i think
00:58<gord>ok, when you say "everytome a partition was checked" eplain when that happened, on bootup, every time?
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00:59<gord>just checked, smartmontools is safe
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00:59<arctix>it was something like "partition x was mounted 39 times without checking, checking forced" and it was checking up 100% then system was loaded normally
01:00<gord>ok hats nrmal "evey xxxx days or mounts" chek
01:00<gord>but not every boot, just occasionally yes?
01:01<arctix>after installing smartmontools or sometime around this, the option got disabled and a warning was given in orange colour
01:01<arctix>i'm pretty sure that it was ocasionally
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01:01<gord>ok, may have been the smartd wasnt set to autostart thats all
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01:02<gord>well, when you checked for bad sectors, did it try to re-allocate any?
01:02<gord>thinks: internal drive routines at play here
01:03<gord>and: if drive has faulty i/o internally, could have screwed itself up
01:03<arctix>in last few days i've heard some strange noise from one of these disk like you may hear from really old computers
01:03<gord>but a 50GB today, at elats
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01:04<gord>at least, ddrescue the whole disc to it. only safe option, sorry
01:04<gord>my diagnosis is failing disk, sorry
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01:04<arctix>when i was checking for bad sectors i really can't remember what it has shown
01:05<gord>it's possinble that ddrescue will get you some.most/99% f your data back, but you need somewhere big to put it
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01:06<gord>the best tool for recovery on a bad disk, is another big one. 'd forget about that file today, unless you can get a disk very fast . so be prepared to make excuses/contingency plan for that essential file
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01:07<gord>hmm, how old is your pwer supply? do you have a big gaming graphics card too>
01:07<arctix>maybe i'll buy 500gb one today, but will you be there today ;) ?
01:08<{o-o}>hello there
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01:08<{o-o}>is anyone running there own server here?
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01:09<gord>someone will, say yo "need help with partition rescue to a new disk, old disk is failing -looking to use ddrescue" cut and paste/save that somewhere
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01:10<gord>arctix: very rarely, a failing power supply can cause corruption or disk i/o errors, i've seen it only twice
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01:11<gord>arctix: but that's no help to you today - you still need a big disk
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01:12<gord>arctix: but if you stoill get errors in future, its either motherboad/controller, cable or maybe PSU
01:12<gord>likely just the old disk
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01:13<arctix>i'm just wondering how could it happened, because i left my computer working and completely fine, and when i came back few hours later something was wrong
01:13<gord>yeah thats the usual scenario, it could have been happening for a while before that, only dmesg/ syslogs can tell you how long. silent corruption is the killer
01:14<gord>maybe the scan for bad sectors was just coincidental,
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01:14<gord>or maybe it reallocated some (some drives have very complex internal routines) and made it worse
01:15<gord>i get about 1 failed disk a month, out of about 200
01:15<arctix>i'm not event sure that any scan was done, or i've just installed smartmontools, just dont remember that all
01:15<gord>but i get brought a lot more
01:15<gord>yeah its always the way, you never expect to have a crash like that
01:16<arctix>you work in some repair service, or computer shop?
01:16<gord>so you are always unprepared
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01:16<gord>no sysadmin
01:16<arctix>and where you live btw?
01:18<arctix>hehe, i just hope that you're not from Poland, while we were talking in english for couple of hours :)
01:18<gord>things that help in future, after every major change to partitions, run gparted and print the page to paper, then write with pen what goes where
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01:18<gord>hah like all englosh peple i only speak english :( is the debian=pl?
01:19<dpkg>pl is, like, polska -> #debian-pl (on Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss".
01:19<arctix>yep, every failure is some kind of lesson ;)
01:19<gord>it sure is
01:21<arctix>aww, i'm just angry that i couldn't retrieve this Word file
01:21<gord>your main priioroty is to ddrescue that disk, that will create a large 320GB set of data to work with, after that you will then pick the recovered data off gradually into your free space
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01:22<gord>yes its unusual scenario, failing disk, nowhere to put it. most linux data recovery ends in good news you see
01:22<gord>the raw tools available are very powerful
01:23<gord>your best lan now is shut down that machine and disconnect the drive, that way no more corruption can happen
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01:24<arctix>ddrescue will make an usable copy of this data, or won't work like it's not working on this disc now?
01:24<gord>when you get the big drive, reconnect it. theres a chance the disk will get worse in the meantime, better to play safe
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01:24<gord>no it wont work, BUT you will be able to repair the rescue image
01:24<gord>with fsck for example
01:25<gord>that will gove you the best chance of longterm recovery
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01:25<arctix>should I use fsck without any parameter?
01:25<gord>ddrescue is like dd but doesnt stop at an error, additionally, it goes back to errored areas and tries to get more and more data around the error by repeated tries
01:26<gord>err, at 6:25 am i cant think lol
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01:26<dr|z3d>arctix: No. man fsck
01:26<gord>always go for safe options
01:26<dr|z3d>You want to run that in read only mode, so you don't touch the disk.
01:26<gord>and take it slow
01:27<dr|z3d>gord: You were heading to bed some hours ago.. ;)
01:27<gord>remember if the disk has hardware i.o probems the fsck corrections could be faulty themselves
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01:27<gord>hence the need to ddrescue it to a good disk for recovery
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01:28<gord>yeah i must get some sleep here, 1 hour i need to be up and at it
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01:29<gord>arctix: well, good luck and play it safe, i've been there myself years ago,1 disk, no spare etc. Safety costs unfortunately
01:29<arctix>heh, true, i use your time pretty much. I think we should stop there, cause untill i buy the disk there is nothing to do more
01:30<gord>hey np always HTH
01:30<arctix>really thank you for your time and your all help :)
01:30<gord>nn all
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01:31<arctix>is there any way to save whole conversation?
01:32<dr|z3d>copy and paste..
01:32<jm_>read help for your irc client, old skool stuff knows /lastlog
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01:34<arctix>right, there it is
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01:55<{o-o}>hi everyone
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01:55<{o-o}>does anyone know here about hacking community
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01:58<{o-o}>help anyone?
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01:58<{o-o}>does anyone know here anny other community on chatting
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02:39<dpkg>chanell: VATTENE VIA
02:40<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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03:24<snogglethorpe>how is one supposed to use -dbg libraries...? e.g., in my case, libstdc++-4.5-dbg
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03:26<snogglethorpe>i thought they'd let me get more informated stack backtraces in gdb, but... doesn't seem to
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03:46<valdyn>snogglethorpe: that's what they do
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04:32<jag_> anybody get smbclient working between linux and windows 7 ?
04:33<ramya>Is anybody getting my messages ???/
04:33<dr|z3d>jag_: As I understand it, MS introduced new stuff in their smb protocol for 7.. you may need to tweak stuff there..
04:33<dr|z3d>google should provide some guidance.
04:33<jag_>i got it working from ubuntu by installing newer smbclient ... but cant get it working from centos
04:33<dr|z3d>ramya: No, none except your last one.
04:34<ramya>last one?
04:34<jag_>dr|z3d_: i got it working from ubuntu by installing newer smbclient ... but cant get it working from centos
04:35<weasel>are you sure you are right in #debian?
04:35<snogglethorpe>valdyn: hmm, how does it change things ...? the backtraces I'm getting look pretty much exactly the same with or without the -dbg installed....
04:35<snogglethorpe>valdyn: is there a trick to using them?
04:36<dr|z3d>jag_: I think weasel's suggesting you may be better asking about this in a channel related to YOUR distro. :)
04:38<jag_>well MY distro is actually debian / ubuntu .. lol , i m trying to find the diff in how smb works between centos and other distros .. thanx ..
04:41<valdyn>snogglethorpe: no i dont think so, maybe youre looking at symbols which you dont have to -dbg package installed for
04:41<dr|z3d>jag_: Let's put it a different way.. centos is not debian. :)
04:42<valdyn>snogglethorpe: show the trace
04:42<doobiean>i have used smbclient before to write to a windows machine, i would use xsmbrowser though because it's easier
04:42<dr|z3d>We're cool helping you with Debian specific issues.. other distros, you need to find the relevant support channel.
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04:42<snogglethorpe>valdyn: well for instance, here's one stack entry:
04:42<snogglethorpe>#7 0x00007ffff7b8e358 in std::thread::_M_start_thread(std::shared_ptr<std::thread::_Impl_base>) () from /usr/lib/
04:42<valdyn>snogglethorpe: there is the symbol names.. what are you missing?
04:43<snogglethorpe>i was kinda hoping for source ...
04:43<valdyn>snogglethorpe: theres source lines too
04:43<valdyn>snogglethorpe: -dbg is not the source, just debugging information
04:43<snogglethorpe>(and oddly, the symbol names were there even without the -dbg package installed
04:44<valdyn>snogglethorpe: #1 0x00007ffff6994028 in _IO_new_file_underflow (fp=0xb75460) at fileops.c:605
04:44<valdyn>snogglethorpe: name and source code line
04:44<valdyn>snogglethorpe: and source code file name
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04:44<snogglethorpe>valdyn: so i could do "apt-get source" to get the source files, and then "dir ..." in gdb, and hopefully get source in gdb
04:44<valdyn>snogglethorpe: i dont see that your your line however
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04:46<valdyn>snogglethorpe: probably, im not familiar with gdb itself
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04:49<valdyn>snogglethorpe: if you want a direct mapping to source then you probably need to use a frontend like ddd or vim or emacs or whatever
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04:50<snogglethorpe>(using emacs, but gdb works ok too, using "list" command etc)
04:50<valdyn>snogglethorpe: ah, i see
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04:52<snogglethorpe>actually stack frames from glibc have file/line info, just not stuff from libstdc++
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04:56<jm_>snogglethorpe: is your app loading the right lib?
04:56<snogglethorpe>jm_: i'm not sure
04:57<snogglethorpe>jm_: ldd says: => /usr/lib/ (0x00007f5283b3d000)
04:57<jm_>snogglethorpe: check the path when you load core file in gdb
04:57<snogglethorpe>and dpkg -S says: 'libstdc++6: /usr/lib/'
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04:59<snogglethorpe>and the version of libstdc++6 installed is "4.5-20100227-1"
04:59<snogglethorpe>so... i installed "libstdc++6-4.5-dbg" as well (plus libstdc++6-4.5-dev of course)
04:59<adb>,versions libstdc++6
04:59<judd>libstdc++6 -- etch: 4.1.1-21; lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; squeeze: 4.4.2-9; sid: 4.4.3-5; experimental: 4.5-20100321-1
05:00<jm_>yeah just check which lib it loads in gdb, then adjust stuff
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05:00<snogglethorpe>that's another question I've had btw
05:00<snogglethorpe>i haven't seen any debian updates for like 4-5 days, which is very unusual
05:00<dpkg> is the server behind (the main copy of the Debian archive). It is currently experiencing hardware trouble, resulting in a temporary suspension of package updates for <testing> and <unstable> systems. . Ask me about <dda>.
05:02<adb>snogglethorpe, so you installed libstdc++6 from experimental ?
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05:03<dpkg>experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section of the Developer's Reference.
05:03<snogglethorpe>adb: yeah yeah I know
05:04<adb>if so , don't ask us
05:04<snogglethorpe>adb: feel free to not answer
05:04<adb>: feel free to troll
05:04<snogglethorpe>oh brother
05:06<dr|z3d>Timeout for the pair of you :P
05:06<dr|z3d>Go stand on opposite sides of the room!
05:06*dr|z3d winks.
05:07<snogglethorpe>well at least #debian on OFTC is less of a no-holds-barred pedant-fest than #debian on freenode...
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05:29<|antares|>I have a question, I hope someone here could help me. I'm using Debian Sid, and I usually upgrade the system every day or 2 days, but lately there were no updates. Is this normal or maybe there is something wrong in my machine?
05:29<dpkg> is the server behind (the main copy of the Debian archive). It is currently experiencing hardware trouble, resulting in a temporary suspension of package updates for <testing> and <unstable> systems. . Ask me about <dda>.
05:30<babilen>|antares|: You *should* be subscribed to *at least* the debian-devel-announce mailing list if you are running the development branch of Debian
05:30<|antares|>Thank you
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05:30<|antares|>ok, I will
05:31<koollman>I have some unusual problem with a filesystem I can't umount. It is reported as busy, but no process are using it (according to fuser). I assume it's marked as busy by the nfsd kernel module (it was exported), but even after stopping nfs-kernel-server, no chance
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05:31<koollman>also, modprobe -r nfsd fails.
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05:32<|antares|>babilen: I'm suscribing now, thank you for your help
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05:41<eshat>I didn't get any Update on sid/unstable for days ? What is the reason ???
05:42<Lethalman>eshat, server out of service
05:42<eshat>all ?
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05:46<babilen>!tell eshat -about ries
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05:46<babilen>eshat: Ah, please don't cross post
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05:47<eshat>ok :D
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07:11<zumbi>how can I instruct iceweasel to show me *.patch files in the browser and not try to download the file?
07:12<dr|z3d>zumbi: with an addon, probably.
07:14<jm_>or have them set the right mime type on the server
07:14<dr|z3d>Right.. it's a content disposition issue, in essence.
07:19<zumbi>jm_: so, (link at QA debian page) , needs proper setup in server side?
07:19<jm_>zumbi: no it looks OK to me, it says text/x-diff
07:20<zumbi>something is missconfigured here, as I can see *.diff.gz files but not that link
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07:24<jm_>crap last one needs a login
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07:25<dr|z3d>One sec.. let me wrack my brains..
07:25<dr|z3d>I have a generic login for that somewhere.
07:25<jm_>i'll check bugmenot ;)
07:25<dr|z3d>bugmenot/bugmenot might be it.. something similar.
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07:29<grib>can anybody point me to a description of the current problem causing mirrors not to get any updates? If there is a problem at all?
07:29<jm_>maybe someone should set a topic for this
07:30<jm_>grib: no not anybody can
07:30<themill>dpkg: tell grib about ries
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07:30<grib>thanks themill, just what I was looking for
07:31<GeorgeDorn>How can I see what an installed package contains and where the files are?
07:31<jm_>dpkg -L
07:31<dpkg>jm_: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
07:31<GeorgeDorn>jm_: Thanks.
07:31<jm_>GeorgeDorn: no worries
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07:31<GeorgeDorn>Incredibly useful command.
07:35<jm_>ahh i don't need a password, but I need to enable javascript
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07:37<jm_>yup, nice add-on ;)
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07:43<kingofdivan>ce canal sert a nothing
07:44-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
07:44-!-themill changed the topic of #debian to: no updates? /msg dpkg ries | lenny (5.0.4) /msg dpkg lennyr4 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ:
07:44-!-mode/#debian [-o themill] by themill
07:44<jm_>thank you :)
07:44<themill>(topic diff: "no updates? /msg dpkg ries")
07:44<themill>yeah, meant to do it a couple of days ago... having now done so probably means they'll get it fixed quite quickly
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08:09<lau>if i set the /bin/false for a specific user in /etc/passwd will that user be able to remotely run scripts ? ssh -l specific_user /usr/local/bin/ ?
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08:19<tomas>these ?
08:19<tomas>Hello , hola
08:20<tomas>there's ?
08:20<tomas>hay arguien hay ?
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08:33<qpaz>Hello, how to pass on options to a program started by a init.d script? when i change someting its giving me errors
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08:38<jm_>qpaz: which init script?
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08:46<qpaz>jm_: /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd
08:46<qpaz>i'm trying to get it to load a fortune cookoe
08:47<qpaz>cookie, that is..
08:47<qpaz>i got it to start with -F now, but its not doing it.
08:47<jm_>qpaz: where did you put -F?
08:49<jm_>you need to add it to SSDAEMONLOGOPTS="" and -F needs an argument
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08:50<jm_>yeah revert NAME to the original state and update that one instead
08:50<jm_>it should also work to put it in /etc/default/pure....
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08:53<qpaz>jm_: getting an error again when putting it: : ${SSDAEMONLOGOPTS:="-F /usr/share/games/fortunes.dat --quiet"}
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08:54<jm_>qpaz: you need to mention error too
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08:55<jm_>qpaz: ahh no I am a moron, those are options for start-stop-daemon
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08:59<jm_>qpaz: it lacks any easy to use method like some other tools, you can add it yourself, but maybe check if there's anything in BTS (i.e. wishlist bug)
08:59<qpaz>jm_: allright, thanks. i will try to find a way.
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09:20<lau>I would like to create a backup user that can only run sudo rsync with privileges
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09:22<sney>man sudoers
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09:24<Jevi>Hey guys
09:24<Jevi>I got a problem
09:24<Jevi>Does it work install Debian on windows?
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09:25<babilen>Jevi: What do you mean? You can certainly install Debina within a virtual machine that run on windows.
09:25<Jevi>i want to install it as main op
09:25<babilen>Jevi: Then just install it, no need for Windows at all.
09:25<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
09:25<paggas>Jevi: There is an installer that runs from Windows AFAIK.
09:25<Jevi>its Live vd right?
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09:26<babilen>Jevi: No, there are live cds, but the images used for installation are not live CDs
09:26<Jevi>Give me the link?
09:26<babilen>Jevi: Do you have a reliable downlink?
09:26<babilen>Jevi: Link to what?
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09:26<Jevi>The Debian image
09:26<Jevi>so i can install it
09:26<dpkg>[netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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09:27<babilen>Jevi: Do you have a working internet connection for the installation? what kind of connection would that be?
09:27<Jevi>Wel is it Safe? , i got Win7 Eternity
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09:28<babilen>Jevi: What do you mean by "safe"?
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09:29<Jevi>Closed it :P
09:29<Jevi>But is it safe install Debian on win 7 eternity
09:29<Jevi>thats my os right now
09:29<babilen>Jevi: Do you want to replace Windows 7? And what do you mean by "safe" ?
09:30<Jevi>YEs i want to replace it , and what imean by safe is that my computer wont crash
09:30<dr|z3d>Jevi: If you have no previous Linux experience, and you're coming from Windows, I recommend you try Ubuntu. More likely to be what you're expecting.
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09:31<babilen>Jevi: It will most likely not crash. I would suggest that you try the Debian Live CD before installing, so you can get an impression of what it would be like. (although the live cd will run *much* slower)
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09:31<lau>hello sney, ok my question is more user creation related
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09:31<lau>is this backup user a system user ?
09:32<lau>I plan to only use this user remotely through ssh key pair do I need to set up a home, /bin/bash ?
09:32<lau>which group should I make its GID ? users ?
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09:33<lau>I am new with debian user management, i read
09:34<lau>but i am looking for a more robbust policy
09:35<babilen>!tell Jevi -about ig
09:35<babilen>!tell Jevi -about reference
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09:36<babilen>Jevi: You may want to run Ubuntu as it is meant to be a Linux distribution that are used by people from Windows and that makes certain things "easier". But *I* still think that learning Debian is really worth it, although it might take you some time and effort to get into this whole "Linux-thing"
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09:37<babilen>Jevi: Why do you want to switch to Linux? What are your goals and expectations?
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09:37<dr|z3d>Jevi: At risk of irking a few of the more hardcore Debian users here.. you might want to try the Wubi Installer first... that will give you a full Linux install that you can kickoff from within Windows, and then remove via Add/Remove Programs.. it gives you a good idea of how your system will perform with a "proper" install, much more than a livecd.
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09:40<babilen>dr|z3d: Oh, i wasn't aware of wubi. Sounds like a good playground for testing. Which distribution is installed by the wubi installer?
09:40<Ox90>i would agree with dr|z3d, wubi is a great way to learn about linux
09:40<dr|z3d>babilen: Windows Ubuntu Installer..
09:40<www>babilen: i want to have a server for my personal website . which is the better , ubuntu or debian lenny
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09:41<babilen>www: Debian
09:41<Ox90>lol asking in ##debian will get you that answer
09:41<dr|z3d>babilen: Any of the main spins.. Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu all options at install time.
09:41<www>ok , i will have a try
09:41<Ox90>but he is right
09:41<babilen>Ox90: (don't mention the obvious)
09:41*Ox90 zips up
09:42*sney walks into a ford dealership. "so, what should I get, a fusion or a malibu?"
09:42<dr|z3d>The risk with Debian and newbies is that they encounter a few issues that aren't easily resolved (for them), and then they judge all Linux on that basis and stick/revert to Windows.
09:43<www>it doesn't matter , anyhow
09:43<dr|z3d>Let's face it, Debian is an OS for geeks and hackers, not Joe Windows :)
09:43<Jevi>I currently learning to hack
09:43<rollo>does lenny netinst have a pppoe client?
09:43<Jevi>ITs not done in 1 day
09:44<Jevi>i takes maybe 2 years to master the skills
09:44<babilen>dr|z3d: Agreed - But that differs from user to user. The important thing is that you have to ask yourself (or them) what they want to achive by switching to Linux.
09:44<dr|z3d>Jevi: Well, the other beauty of Ubuntu is that it's broadly based on Debian, so skills you learn with Ubuntu are easily transposed to Debian once you're more ocnfident and clued up.
09:44<babilen>!tell rollo -about pppoe install
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09:45<Ox90>love those bots, very handy
09:45<dr|z3d>babilen: Aye, true. One size never fits all! :)
09:45<babilen>dpkg: i love you
09:45<dpkg>I hope you mean in the platonic sense :/
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09:45<Jevi>Im kinda scared to install so i dont fuck up my computeragian (Had backtrack 4)
09:46<dr|z3d>Jevi: So, Wubi first.. you can't fuck your pc up that way. Guaranteed.
09:46<gsimmons>babilen: For your (possible) interest, the correct PCI IDs should now be in the rtl8191se and rtl8192se factoids.
09:46<Jevi>When i booted Backtrack 4 , only the terminal showed up
09:46<Jevi>couldt do anything
09:47<Jevi>And does debian have a irc client installed?
09:47<dr|z3d>This is exactly why you'd be better with Ubuntu!
09:47<babilen>gsimmons: I guess that is related to some question asked yesterday, which i already forgot about ..
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09:47<rollo>babilen: thanks
09:47<Jevi>Ubuntu i see..
09:47<Jevi>I kinda want debian lenny with compiz
09:47<babilen>rollo: You are welcome - Have fun and a nice day :)
09:47<gsimmons>babilen: Well, I had them wrong. :)
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09:48<dr|z3d>Jevi: Compiz runs fine on Ubuntu, and unlike Debian, it's automagically enabled for you if you install the main Ubuntu distro, assuming your card is up to it (if it's running 7, should be).
09:49*dvs doesn't see the big deal about compiz
09:49<dr|z3d>dvs: Most Windows users orgasm seeing Compiz. ;)
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09:50*babilen has to try that at the next party :)
09:50<Ox90>at the end of the day its features provided by compiz that will swing some end users
09:50<dvs>dr|z3d: to me, it's along the same lines as adding my own sound theme
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09:51<dr|z3d>dvs: You're obviously not an eyecandy fetishist. I've seen untold Windows users actually ENJOY computing, when Windows was just a chore, with Compiz.
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09:52<Jevi>Anybody that actully know anything about hacking?
09:52<dr|z3d>dvs: And evidently you're not a Windows user :)
09:52<babilen>Jevi: I think that Ubuntu is the better choice for you *right now*. I would still encourage you to spend some time learning Ubuntu and Debian and maybe read the Debian reference to get known to Linux and Debian. You might want to switch to Debian once you have learned about the tools and programs in the future though ..
09:52<dvs>dr|z3d: only for Quicken
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09:52<babilen>Jevi: "hacking" ?
09:52<Jevi>Like in Cracking
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09:53<dr|z3d>Jevi: You don't need to crack on Linux.. everything is FREE!
09:53<dpkg>it has been said that cracking is the politically correct term for unlawfully acessing or altering or destorying data without the owner's permission act of gaining unauthourised access on another person's, orgainsation's computing systems
09:53<dr|z3d>That would be wrong.
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09:54<dr|z3d>Cracking, from my perspective, is disabling anti-copy protections.
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09:54<babilen>Jevi: Sorry, we don't support illegal activities. If you are interested in computer security though you have to learn a lot of things that show up in a computer science syllabus.
09:55<Jevi>Any Channel for that?
09:55<Ox90>Jevi, check out
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09:55<Ox90>Jevi, #criticalsecurity
09:55*Ox90 shamlessly plugs..
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09:56<Ox90>though i will say NO CRACKING
09:56<dr|z3d>Jevi: Whilst you're on here, presumably on Windows 7, why not visit and start up the process.. you won't need to quit windows until it's mostly complete.
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09:56<babilen>Jevi: I would consider sound knowledge of C, operating systems and networks a necessary prerequisite for anything security related. Get yourself some books and learn *NIX, programming and a bunch of other things
09:57<Jevi>#criticalsecurity is nothing nobody on it
09:57<dr|z3d>Jevi: That was a url, not a channel..
09:57<dr|z3d>See the http:// prefix? NOT a channel. That woiuld be #
09:57*dr|z3d smiles.
09:57<babilen>dr|z3d: see the #? that's a channel :)
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09:58<Ox90>but on another irc server :P
09:58<dr|z3d>Oh, my bad.
09:58<babilen>although not on this network :)
09:58*dr|z3d laughs.
09:58*dr|z3d shanks babilen.
09:58*dr|z3d winks.
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09:59<dr|z3d>"Hung by his own petard" are words that oddly enter my mind. :/
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10:00<Jevi>It dosnt work..
10:00<dr|z3d>Define it.
10:00<babilen>!doesn't work
10:00<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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10:00<Ox90>you know i had to tell a microsoft employee how to spell it once...
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10:01<dr|z3d>Have to say, for a Windows user, Jevi, you're actually quite tuned in. :)
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10:03<Jevi>Wel , whats up_
10:03<Ox90>im creating an ext3 filesystem on a 3.5TB raid 5 array. its taken about 5 hours so far, i thought it would be much quicker than this. I'm worried the RAID controller is crap, what do you guys think?
10:03<dr|z3d>Sensitive to the prevailing mood.. many Windows users who come here aren't.
10:03<dr|z3d>Are you wubi'ing already?
10:04<dr|z3d>Ox90: Let it do it's thing. No sense fretting.
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10:04<koollman>Ox90: how did you create it ? just mkfs.ext3 ? some gui ?
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10:05<dr|z3d>Ox90: The proof of the pudding is when you're actually deploying that raid system.. formatting 3.5TB ain't exactly swift work.
10:05<Jevi>Kinda advanced for me this xD
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10:06<dr|z3d>Jevi: I'll make it simple. Grab wubi, stay with whatever defaults it gives you, add a user name and password, and let it do its thing:
10:07<dr|z3d>You can be here chatting with us whilst it installs..
10:07<Jevi>Im not goint to install anything right now
10:07<Jevi>im currently learning c language
10:08<dr|z3d>Why not?
10:08<Jevi>c programming
10:08<Jevi>varibles and all that
10:08<dr|z3d>Installing wubi and learning c aren't mutually exclusive :)
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10:09<dr|z3d>And you won't need to leave windows until you're ready.. the install happens in the background, in Windows.
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10:09<Jevi>Is it dual boot_
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10:09<www>Jevi : you can learn c using linux with the compiler gcc
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10:09<dr|z3d>Jevi: It is.
10:09<Jevi>So windows wont get deleted..
10:09<babilen>Jevi: Just curious: How old are you?
10:09<dr|z3d>Jevi: But TOTALLY risk free.
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10:10<dr|z3d>No, Wubi installs Linux within Windows.
10:10<dr|z3d>You can remove it via add/remove
10:10<Jevi>I want dual boot >(
10:10<dr|z3d>It's the safest, easiest method of trying Linux.
10:10<dr|z3d>It DOES DUEL BOOT.
10:10<Jevi>I know!
10:10<Jevi>Going to check it out right now.
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10:11<dr|z3d>About f;'in time. *wink*
10:11<babilen>yeah, about fucking time
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10:12<OdyX>are you guys really proposiing the use of wubi !?
10:12<dr|z3d>we are, for Jevi.
10:12<Jevi>No translation file found for domain
10:12<dr|z3d>Horses for courses.
10:12<OdyX>dr|z3d: that Ubuntu crap thing ?
10:12<babilen>Jevi: To be honest. I would suggest that you try Ubuntu for some time. You should learn a bunch of the tools that are readily available with that platform and make yourself at home at the command line. The Debian reference contains a somewhat good introduction to some essential tools. Once you know about bash, sed, tail, aptitude, ... you can start to venture into more advanced topics.
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10:12<dr|z3d>OdyX: Did you ever deploy it YOURSELF?
10:13*dr|z3d suspects not.
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10:13<Jevi>Installing right now >(
10:13<dr|z3d>Good man!
10:13<gord> OdyX: there must be a specific reason, in this case ;)
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10:13<OdyX>dr|z3d: yes. So what ? I mean, we are #debian, not #ubuntu...
10:14*dr|z3d refers OdyX to the voluminous backlog.
10:14<www> i still advice Jevi to install a fresh ubuntu , not wubi
10:14<Jevi>To late..
10:14<babilen>Jevi: I would suggest to start programming with a language like Python, because it is easier/faster to learn than C, while stil being extremely powerful. If you want to learn C, grab "C Programming - A modern approach" by King and learn a decent editor like vim or emacs
10:14<dr|z3d>You can do that next, Jevi.
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10:14<www>wubi is not good for you Jevi
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10:14<dr|z3d>Once you've determined you're happy with Ubuntu.
10:14<OdyX>dr|z3d: I don't intend to read the backlog. If you guys are talking about Ubuntu and its ecosystem, that's offtopic here.
10:15<dr|z3d>Oh, stfu, www. Please.
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10:15<www>when i first install ubuntu , it works and i didn't reference any material .
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10:15<babilen>OdyX: We are trying to ease the Windows->Linux transition for Jevi ..
10:15<azeem>www: please keep it on topic
10:15<dr|z3d>OdyX: Don't, then. But don't butt into a conversation that's been quite extended and has garnered general approval.
10:16<www>so Jevi, it is possible you can try a fresh and genuine ubuntu
10:16<azeem>16:13 < azeem> www: please keep it on topic
10:16<azeem>if you want, you can assit Jevi as much as you want in #ubuntu
10:16<OdyX>dr|z3d: Ubuntu is offtopic. Point.
10:16<azeem>eh, assist
10:17<Jevi>Does ubuntu have preinstalled irc client _
10:17*gord observes that most MS-windows users asking basic question cause eventual degeneration of the channel sooner or later
10:17<dr|z3d>OdyX: That kind of infelxibile application of lawa might have worked in Stalinist Russia..
10:17<azeem>dr|z3d: 16:15 < Jevi> Does ubuntu have preinstalled irc client _
10:17<azeem>there you go
10:17<dr|z3d>Jevi: Yes, Xchat is installed by default.
10:17<azeem>dr|z3d: plaese take this elsewhere
10:18<OdyX>dr|z3d: You just reached the Godwin point.
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10:18<azeem>let's just drop it, all
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10:18<dr|z3d>azeem: I've nothing to take. Finished. :)
10:18*dvs looks around for all
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10:18<Ox90>lol @ Godwin Point
10:19*rollo thinks Jevi is a parody
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10:20<dr|z3d>OdyX: Fwiw, Stalin wasn't a Nazi. :)
10:21<OdyX>Godwin: 2 dr|z3d: 0
10:21<babilen>This is getting really off-topic - Please move to #debian-offtopic and continue there
10:21*dr|z3d yawns.
10:21<Jevi>Ubuntu done ..
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10:21*Ox90 frets about filesystem creation times
10:22<Ox90>thank god for sshd being included with the installer
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10:22<Ox90>thank devs for sshd being included with the installer
10:22<Ox90>thats better
10:23<gord>Q: ZFS-fuse - is anyone using it in debian and also has speed/stability comparisons with native OpenSol or Freebsd for a server application, last time I tested was around 30% of the "native" speed
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10:24<Jevi>Going to reboot
10:24<Jevi>cya all
10:24<babilen>gord: Have you considered using Debian/kFreeBSD if you want to use ZFS?
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10:24<gord>babilen, no :) thank you, i clean forgot hahaha
10:25<azeem>ZFS is not yet working on Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
10:25<dr|z3d>ZFS is available in userspace in quite a few distros, no?
10:25<azeem>AFAIK the user-space tools haven't packaged yet or something
10:25<dr|z3d>And it's been ripped out of OS X.
10:25<gord>dr|z3d, yes, was too slow on my last tests though :(
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10:26<dr|z3d>gord: I think it's likely to die a slow death now Oracle own it.
10:26<valdyn>gord: might aswell give btrfs a shot if you would dare to use zfs
10:26<valdyn>gord: ( depending on which features you need )
10:26<gord>if you try it you'll never believe how much disks corrupt data silently // yeah that would be a massive shame from my point of view, having about 400TB of ZFS under my belt
10:26<babilen>azeem: Oh, that is good to know. It is listed on the "kFreeBSD_why" page, but as "Possible support for ZFS in the mainline kernel"
10:27<valdyn>gord: btrfs has checksums similar to zfs
10:27<babilen>yay, btrfs!
10:27<dr|z3d>BTRFS *is* Linux's answer to ZFS. Period.
10:27<valdyn>gord: but just like zfs outside solaris its not production ready anyway
10:28<gord>dr|z3d, yes. sadly we need the ability to hotplug ZFS
10:28<gord>valdyn, ZFS has been frontline for us for 2 years and not a single file lost in that time
10:28<dr|z3d>gord: I fear for anything owned by Oracle, tbh. OpenSolaris? Fucked.
10:29<gord>dr|z3d, yep, i smell that in the air
10:29<dr|z3d>MySQL? Fucked.
10:29<azeem>libdb? Fucked
10:29<azeem>ah, no wait
10:29<azeem>got SQL support donated by Oracle
10:29*dr|z3d chuckles.
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10:30<dr|z3d>They're self-serving, those Oracle bods.. not OSS players.
10:30<azeem>and ironically, wasn't btrfs developed *at* Oracel?
10:30<gord>our need is here/now/current, in 2 years time if BTRFS is stable then thats fine by us. Right now its ZFS
10:30<azeem>Developer Oracle Corporation
10:30<dr|z3d>It was?
10:31<dr|z3d>Already there. But thanks :)
10:32<gord>gotta run for a while, hassle in the racks, I'll mark away
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10:32<Mery> hjbn
10:32<azeem>gord: there's also Nexenta, of course
10:33<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
10:33<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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10:33<azeem>what's the factoid to forward spanish ubuntu users?
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10:34*dr|z3d guesses.
10:34<gsimmons>azeem: ubuntu-es IIRC.
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10:36<Mery>poron pon pero poronnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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10:37<Freddy>hi all
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10:38<Freddy>can anyone help me with a problem with a RAID controller?
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10:40<Freddy>hi all
10:41<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
10:41<Freddy>can anyone help me with a problem with a RAID controller?
10:41<azeem>Freddy: you already asked that
10:41<Freddy>i'm a bit lost
10:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
10:41<babilen>Freddy: It would help if you told us something about the problem
10:42<Freddy>I didn't realise I was on this channel the first time
10:42<azeem>no problem
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10:44<Jevi>Im back
10:44<Freddy>very well then, I have a MegaRaid SAS 8880 Raid Controller and would like to install a XEN + debian as dom0, the trouble is, this contoller does give support for debian
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10:45<Ox90>you using ubuntu Jevi?
10:45<azeem>Freddy: you are saying it is not supported by Debian 5.0?
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10:45<Ox90>meet me in #ubuntu
10:45<Freddy>here is the page for the controller:
10:46<Freddy>no, debian works very well with it
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10:46<azeem>what is the problem then?
10:46<Freddy>it detects the disc and installs
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10:47<Freddy>right, the problem is, I cant connect to the raid controller by software
10:47<lorena>ola alguien me conoce
10:47<azeem>lorena: go to #ubuntu on
10:47<dpkg>Ubuntu esta basado en Debian, pero no es Debian, y dificilmente tendra los estandares de Debian. Solo Debian es soportado en #debian. Por favor conectese a #ubuntu-es en Ahi recibira mas soporte.
10:47<Freddy>the manufacter provides only suport only for some other distributions
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10:48<azeem>Freddy: what do you mean with connect?
10:48<azeem>and what software?
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10:48<Freddy>let me try to better explain my self
10:49<Freddy>the raid controller has a built in BIOS that we can use to configure RAID
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10:50<Freddy>one can also configure the said RAID from an OS that supports the given application
10:51<Freddy>oh, the controller suports hotplug, I thinks thats the right term
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10:52<Freddy>let's say, I need to replace one of the discs and rebuild the RAID, it is possible to do it, but apparently not with debian
10:53<chipcat>can somebody explain me plz why my bt4 linux is running so slow on my eeepc?
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10:53<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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10:54<gord>azeem: yes Nexenta free has a 12GB limit on latest release I see, + it's nice to have debian-ness // sorry was away 15 mins bending a rack bracket back into line
10:54<Jevii>Hey guys
10:54<gord>12TB haha
10:54<Freddy>did I explain my self?
10:55<azeem>Freddy: pretty good I think, but I can't help you, sorry
10:55<musca>Freddy: you want management and monitoring of your RAID. what kind of server is it? vendor and model, pls
10:55<Freddy>fujitsu, TX300
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10:56<Freddy>with LSI Mega Raid SAS8880 RAID controller:
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10:58<testexpto123>sorry, I was disconnected, formellu known as Freddy
10:58<gord>freddy: I always transfer a disk like that to another (with dd) before I start to re-raid it back in, just in case. I prefer linux software raid, on linux machines, even over hardware raid controllers
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10:59<testexpto123>gord: I don't think that is an option
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11:00<testexpto123>because we have a hardware based RAID controller, and we should use it, no?
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11:00<Ox90>gord, any reason you prefer software raid over hardware?
11:00<gord>testexpto123: yes, single point of hassle. no different quirks, all the same.
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11:01<gord>whoops for Ox90 sorry
11:02<babilen>Jevii: Please don't /msg me.
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11:02<gord>testexpto123: well wether you use hardware or software, I'd still shove it in a spare amchine and dd it to something first, just in case. I'm a born worrier
11:02<Ox90>was wondering that :P Surely there is better performance via the H/W Raid though, i can see that being an issue in some enviroments
11:03<gord>Ox90: yes slow and steady wins the race here
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11:04<gord>testexpto123: if you get into trouble, i mean big trouble, Irongeek has a video somewhere on linux raid recovery, can be helpful if data hits the fan
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11:26<Jevi>Hey all
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11:26<dr|z3d>Hey Jevi. Welcome to #debian :)
11:27<Jevi>Sry for messing up the pm chat
11:27<Jevi>Im on mibbit and xchat with different names
11:28<dr|z3d>Try and keep it ontopic, though, eh? You've got me into enough trouble altready :)
11:28<Jevi>Hehehe , ill try
11:28<Ek|mu5>I'm on lenny and I just installed thunar-volman, it automounts USB drives but I get Permission denied. what manuals shoud I look into to solve this?
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11:28<Jevi>Answer my PM
11:29<dr|z3d>Ek|mu5: Add your user to the correct group.. removable drive access..
11:29<babilen>that would be plugdev
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11:29<Jevi>dr|z3d Answer my pm
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11:29<Ek|mu5>already a member of plugdev
11:30<dr|z3d>Jevi: No more pm's, please. Busy here.
11:30<Jevi>Okey then.
11:30<Ek|mu5>couldn't automount at all before adding to plugdev, after adding to plugdev automount works but I get permission denied
11:30<babilen>Ek|mu5: sorry, I would love to help, but I am not familiar with thunar. I assume that it is mounting the drive with the wrong permissions or owner/group. I would read the documentation for that and see if you can figure out something.
11:31<babilen>Ek|mu5: When do you get permission denied? Can you provide the output of "ls -l /media/whatever" ?
11:31<babilen>Ek|mu5: Err, rather: ls -l /media
11:31<babilen>and the appropriate line
11:32<Ek|mu5>the usb drive is 700 root:root
11:32<Jevi>dr|z3d Are you in Freenode
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11:34<babilen>Ek|mu5: Well, that is your problem. You have to configure thunar-volman to mount as your user. You might have to start it as your user as well. Have you created that directory prior to using it now, or is it created by thunar-volman whenever the USB stick is plugged in?
11:35<dr|z3d>The other (very poor) workaround is to run Thunar as root.
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11:35<onur>Hi. I have a question. Should I use xen kernel in a xen guest?
11:36<Ek|mu5>the directory is created by thunar-volman on insertion, I can eject the drive too, but I can't access it, could HAL be a solution to this?
11:37<Ox90>onur, read here for the info
11:37<Ox90>though that is for 4.01, are you running 5.5?
11:38<Ox90>much better
11:38<babilen>Ek|mu5: Have you started thunar-volman --daemon as your user?
11:39<Ek|mu5>babilen, no, I'll try that now
11:40<babilen>Ek|mu5: That is most likely the cause
11:40<Ek|mu5>babilen, thanks for the advice, brb gonna try it
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11:42<Jevi>Nothing to do
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11:47<Cygnus>Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) Broke X while updating from etch to lenny ?? Any hints or the nvidia one liner is the only way?
11:47<dr|z3d>Jevi: Plenty to do. Fire up Synaptic and look at what's available.
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11:48<valdyn>Cygnus: xserver-xorg-video-nv needs to be installed
11:48<musca>Jevi: read a little book
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11:49<Ek|mu5>babilen, thunar-volman doesn't have the --daemon option, I'll look into HAL since it's what mounts the damn things anyway
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11:51<Motongo>is it ok to ask a postfix question here because the #postfix chan is dead?
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11:52<Cygnus>valdyn: next beer is on me
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11:53<Cygnus>ml|: Thx every seems to be allright although it complains / partition is at 100%
11:53<babilen>Ek|mu5: Yes, i realised that after reading the thunar-volman manual. You run thunar --daemon as your user. Have a look at:
11:53<Ek|mu5>i'm gonna bleed out my nose RTFM on HAL spec... :(
11:53<dr|z3d>Ek|mu5: Please bleed elsewhere ;)
11:53<babilen>Ek|mu5: The question was rather: Do you run it (thunar/thunar-volman) as user, or as root?
11:53<ml|>!congratulate Cygnus
11:53<dpkg>Good show Cygnus, you did it!
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12:05<Cygnus>The clean font is no longer available on lenny, which font do you recommend that renders small sizes well
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12:06<Cygnus>Usinng gtermina here
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12:07<dr|z3d>Cygnus: If you can skank Segoe UI from somewhere, I haven't found better.
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12:09<dr|z3d>Forget the fact it's MS.. they licensed it from a typography house.
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12:28<padski>nmap -sP doesn't tell me the MAC address any more :-(
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12:31<Ek|mu5>babilen, OMFG... I forgot about ntfs-3g...
12:31<Ek|mu5>babilen, ntfs-3g fixed it
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12:32<babilen>Ek|mu5: There are things you should mention :)
12:32<Cygnus>padski: -sP: Ping Scan - go no further than determining if host is online
12:32<babilen>Ek|mu5: But happy that you figured it out
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12:34<Ek|mu5>babilen, thanks for bearing with me... It's a fresh install...
12:35<babilen>Ek|mu5: don't worry .. It was you who figured it out ;)
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12:40<Ek|mu5>babilen, took it for granted in Ubuntu, and used to doing a recompile on OpenBSD...
12:40<Ek|mu5>bye all, now I can go home. :D
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12:41<Ox90>another happy customer babilen
12:41<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:41*babilen hugs #debian
12:42<babilen>have a great evening :)
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12:57<Cygnus>Gentlemen and ladies thx for your support. And your prompt answears. All i can say is that you rock. :D
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13:09<edrz>bots of teh intrenets rise up! unite! revolt!
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13:10<edrz>i attempted to install squeeze using lvm on raid6 yesterday using yesterday's d-i image ...
13:11<edrz>neither grub nor lilo would install themselves.
13:11<edrz>is this a crazy thing to try to do?
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13:15<EmleyMoor>Is there anything that can write large files spanning packet DVDs?
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13:17<Ox90>packet DVD's?
13:18<gdb>edrz: You're trying to boot off a stripped volume?
13:18<Ox90>EmleyMoor, see if discspan fits your needs
13:19*EmleyMoor cannot possibly know until the weekend but will look
13:19<gdb>striped, rather
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13:19<Ox90>raid 6 is striped dual parity
13:20<EmleyMoor>Ox90: As long as it works better than cdbackup <g>
13:20<edrz>gdb: is that crazy?
13:20<gdb>edrz: It's crazy because it's not possible.
13:21<gdb>edrz: You can only boot off a single disk or a raid1.
13:21<edrz>well, that explains my problem.
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13:21<Ox90>is it hw controlled raid?
13:21<koollman>edrz: grub and lilo don't know anything about raid5 (or raid in general)
13:21<edrz>no, not striped
13:21<gdb>edrz: ie; the server needs to be able to "boot of a single drive" (there's no such thing as booting off a mirrored volume, the system is actually booting of one physical disk or the other. striped data can't be booted)
13:22<Ox90>hey hey, if its hw controlled raid it looks luke one disk to the system
13:22<edrz>i've built most systems booting off raid1 for at least 8 years.
13:22<gdb>edrz: You can probably boot from a striped volume if it's hardware based and the striping is abstracted from the system (so to the boot loader it looks like a single, real disk)
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13:22<edrz>don't know why I thought booting from raid5 was possible ...
13:22<koollman>edrz: make a /boot partition, in raid1 if you want, and it will work fine
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13:22<gdb>edrz: We're used to thinking in terms of volumes, not disks these days ;-)
13:22<edrz>0x90, no, software raid.
13:23<EmleyMoor>edrz: You need at least /boot on raid1
13:23*EmleyMoor has his set up that way
13:24<edrz>EmleyMoor: yeah. i've been doing that for years. thought i should try something new.
13:24<EmleyMoor>Not sure discspan will help me.
13:24<edrz>gdb: /me still lvm-stupid ...
13:24*edrz adjusts his thinking.
13:24<edrz>thanks all
13:25<EmleyMoor>edrz: Nothing to stop you having partition for raid6 or whatever as well
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13:25<EmleyMoor>I have 1 and 6 on mine - plus a linear for scratch space
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13:29<jthomas_sb>i've got an account on a server that the password changes occasionally, locking the user out of FTP. The setup is a jailed one which doesn't have the passwd command available, so any SSH attempts wouldn't allow the user to change the passwd, and there aren't any changes in auth.log . What may be causing this? Of the over 100 accounts on there, this is the only one with issues
13:31<EmleyMoor>DiscSpan is not for me - I need to span a file across more than 1 dvd
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13:35<Jevi>Hey all
13:35<EmleyMoor>GRRRRRRRR! Another DVD writer failed!
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13:39<EmleyMoor>Is there anything that would stop my SATA burner from ejecting?
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13:41<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... udftools had locked it
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13:48<gdb>jthomas_sb: This may help you ->
13:49<jthomas_sb>checked that possibility gdb, it isn't set for expiration.
13:51<gdb>can you post the last few fields of the /etc/shadow entry? The part that looks like this -> 0:99999:7:::
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14:06<Cadmium01>What is the non privileged group in debian?
14:06<Cadmium01>I need to create a user for rsync/rsnapshot backups with limited privilegres
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14:08<edrz>(unless i misunderstand that group's purpose
14:08<jthomas_sb>gdb :14694:0:99999:7:::
14:08<alessandro>ciao c'è nessuno
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14:09<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:18<Cadmium01>edrz, is nogroup a group?
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14:18<edrz>Cadmium01: yah
14:19<edrz>65534, by default
14:19<edrz>paired with nobody
14:19<Cadmium01>is it "better" than creating user with his own group? like test:test
14:19<Cadmium01>vs test:nogroup
14:19<edrz>not necessarilly better. but i am not expert
14:19<edrz>in this matter
14:20<ml|>Cadmium01: rsync/rsnapshot over ssh?
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14:20<Cadmium01>ml|, yes
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14:21<Cadmium01>ml|, got any advice?
14:21<Cadmium01>I'd really appreciate it :)
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14:22<jthomas_sb>we use that; the ssh part is set up in /etc/rsnapshot.conf i think
14:22<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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14:23<ml|>just do it as root and place the following in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys command=... let me get you a link that explains all this
14:23<ml|>Cadmium01: ^
14:24<Cadmium01>ml|, I dont want to do it as root, what if my backup machine gets compromised?
14:24<edrz>hm. grub2 via d-i won't install to the mbr of my raid1 either ...
14:24<ml|>Cadmium01: ok
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14:41<sztomi>Hi. I'd like to install eclipse on lenny squeeze, but apt can't find the package. Is there a repo I need to enable?
14:41<ml|>jthomas_sb: btw, yes to use ssh and rsnapshot, rsnapshot.conf needs to be setup also
14:41<ml|>judd versions eclipse
14:41<judd>eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; lenny: 3.2.2-6.1; sid: 3.5.2-2
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14:42<ml|>sztomi: you mean squeeze only?
14:43<sztomi>ml|: sztomi: I just installed "Debian testing", and I had the impression that it's called "squeeze"
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14:43<sztomi>..for each release
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14:43<sney>sztomi: yeah, testing is squeeze, and stable is lenny. they're separate things.
14:43<ml|>sztomi: ok I just saw the above, which says lenny squeeze
14:44<jthomas_sb>sid is always sid (unstable), but testing gets the software after sid does, and then eventually testing becomes something stable; currently testing is Squeeze but next time it will be somehting else
14:44<sney>!why is eclipse not in testing
14:44<dpkg>eclipse is not in testing for the reasons listed in
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14:44<sztomi>thanks for the info
14:45<jthomas_sb>link ^^ seems to not work
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14:45<sztomi>can I still install somehow it via apt (without making my system sid)?
14:45<jthomas_sb>dpkg you lied to us. you shouldn't have that in your programming.
14:45<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
14:45<jthomas_sb>i know
14:45<sney>sztomi: you can do a testing-unstable mix, where you keep most of your system testing but only install what you need + deps from siid
14:46<sztomi>the link doesn't work for me neither
14:46<sney>sztomi: /msg dpkg tum for instructions
14:46<sney>yeah, release.d.o. seems to be down.
14:46<sztomi>sney: that sounds good, thanks
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14:47<ml|>sztomi: just make sure to follow that exactly or you'll be running sid
14:50<gdb>sztomi: I'd recommend installing it from the eclipse site into /opt. I've never seen eclipse work as packaged by Debian.
14:50<gdb>Not once.
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14:52<gdb>I install it into /opt/pkg/eclipse-3.5.1, then symlink /opt/eclipse to that, then symlink /opt/bin/eclipse to /opt/eclipse/eclipse and keep /opt/bin in my path (I also have firefox installed there, among other things).
14:52<sztomi>gdb: I just read that, but apt is already installing. We'll see :)
14:52<gdb>sztomi: Good luck! :-D
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15:00<sney>gdb: any reason not to use stow for that? just habit?
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15:07<gdb>sney: Yes, I have a very good reason for not using stow.
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15:08<gdb>sney: (I'd never heard of it) ;-) I'll take a look at it, thanks :-)
15:08<sney>fair enough.
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15:10<ml|>!es-social Karlossanpa
15:10<dpkg>Karlossanpa: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:13<Paranoir>Can anyone help me. I've installed backtrack on my laptop, but I'm not able to find/connect to a wireless network?
15:13<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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15:14<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
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15:15<beer>is there any news about rise (eg when will we begin to get updates again)?'
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15:16<@Ganneff>beer: no rise. also no rice, sorry.
15:18<beer>does the meltdown of rice also affect security paches?
15:18<@Ganneff>different machines
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15:23<suri>hi all..
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15:26<suri>i want to install google chrome in my lap how to get it. My internet connection is too slow, i downloaded google-chrome-beta but while running it shows some dependency please
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15:28<dr|z3d>suri: IceWeasel should be sufficient. :)
15:29<dr|z3d>Do we support Google's Chrome here?
15:29*dr|z3d chuckles.
15:29<sztomi>eclipse seems to work ok. Do I need to remove the sid entry from the source.list?
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15:29<dr|z3d>suri: If you have dependency errors, read them, and then install the dependencies.
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15:30<suri>dr|z3d, i m currently using iceweasel, but the gmail in it is not getting chat!
15:30<suri>dr|z3d, i m new and dont know how to do that???
15:31<dr|z3d>suri: Forget gmail for gtalk.. install/use pidgin for that.
15:31<suri>dr|z3d, i mean how to install from internet??
15:31<valdyn>suri: google chat works fine in iceweasel
15:32<dr|z3d>suri: I mean, aptitude install pidgin (as root) and then configure it for your gmail/google talk account. :)
15:32<dr|z3d>Much niceer than using gmail.
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15:34<dr|z3d>suri: The other thing to try is -safe-mode .. maybe you have a conflicting addon.
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15:37<matt__>i was able to compile and modprobe my ethernet but i can't get my wifi to work properly :( have compiled and they are running in lsmod but can't detect anything in iwconfig
15:38<matt__>i read and read... have compiled 15 times.. don't understand why its not working..
15:39<sney>matt__: compiled? did you download them from a manufacturer website? what card is it?
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15:40<matt__>i have asus 1001p, atheros chipset.. have compat-wireless
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15:41<sney>matt__: which atheros?
15:42<matt__>i'm supposed to use the ath9k
15:42<sney>ok, so if it's an ath9k series then why are you compiling drivers?
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15:43<matt__>they wouldn't load
15:43<sney>ath9k is working in 2.6.30 and later kernels, all available in backports.
15:43<matt__>i'm on backtrack4 final
15:43<sney>this is #debian
15:44<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
15:44<sney>things that are not debian are not supported in #debian. I know it's very hard to understand.
15:44<matt__>i don't expect it to turn me into a hacker.. i just want to get my wifi up
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15:44<sney>#backtrack-linux on freenode are the only people who can help you
15:45<sney>too bad, I know a lot about Debian on EEE hardware, but since I don't run BackTrack I have no basis to support it.
15:45<matt__>i also have ubuntu but i can't access it right now
15:45<matt__>problems with triple boot
15:46<matt__>i want debian also
15:47<matt__>have /boot on seperate partition /home on one /windows on another some shared space i can alter to make more...
15:47<sney>your wifi would be up and running out of the box on debian squeeze, the wired ethernet might be a pain but there are docs and an entire channel for making Debian work on the eee's brand new hardware (#debian-eeepc)
15:48<ml|>matt__: so install debian and come back when you are using debian
15:48<matt__>i have the wired already have compiled it from src
15:48<sney>yes, we're glad to help people with the OS that we actually know
15:48<matt__>its workin
15:48<matt__>i want debian on here too
15:48<matt__>am having problems learning how to install multiple distros
15:49<valdyn>matt__: no big deal, no one needs multiple distros except to waste time
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15:49<matt__>i'll try and wipe over the ubuntu install with a debian and come back..
15:49<matt__>it's not working anyways
15:50<matt__>can we run the unr environment in debian? thats all i wanted with it..
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15:52<matt__>thanks for the references to the other support channels btw..
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15:52<matt__>ill be back after the wipe of ubuntu
15:52<ml|>matt__: for dual boot this should help... ; install debian and come back
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15:59<suri>dr|z3d, anyone using google-chrome??
16:00<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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16:02<edrz>grr ... squeeze installer want put a bootloader on any of my disks in this box.
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16:04<suri>i want to install google-chrome,my dynsptic manager is not showing this google-chrome in itslist how?
16:04<suri>ml|, Thanks for your suggestions..
16:05<ml|>suri: google chrome is not in the repos
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16:05<bremner_>suri: complain to google that they don't work to get chrome in the official repos; or more practically, use their repos.
16:05<ml|>do a google search and follow the intructions
16:05<sney>suri: you would need to download it from google. the beta .deb works but is not supported here.
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16:06<johnfg>hey guys
16:06<suri>sney, yes i tried to install .deb of google-chrome-beta but dependencies errors came!!!
16:06<ml|>I doubt google chrome will ever be in debian, maybe chronium will
16:07<bremner_>oh whatever :)
16:07<johnfg>Where are the messages saved that you see during a system boot? The one's that would say, e.g., concerning the startup of mysql. It's not in dmesg or syslog.
16:07<sney>suri it just needs some extra packages, run aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude will fix it for you
16:07<ml|>can also try installing with gdebi
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16:08<suri>sney, one line error shall i paste it here?
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16:09<johnfg>Nevermind. Apparently, encrypting the password from within mysql, so with a mysql function, then copying that encrypted password to the debian.cnf did the job.
16:09<ml|>suri: use a pastebin
16:09<ml|>ah one line is fine
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16:09<suri>ml|, ohk..
16:10<suri>The following packages have unmet dependencies:
16:10<suri> google-chrome-beta: Depends: libnss3-1d (>= 3.12.3) but 3.12.0-5 is installed.
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16:11<ml|>judd versions libnss3-1d
16:11<judd>libnss3-1d -- lenny:; lenny-security:; squeeze: 3.12.5-2; sid: 3.12.6-1
16:11<ml|>suri: do as sney said
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16:15<suri>ml|, judd versions means??
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16:16<matt__>which do i use for my system? Intel x86?
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16:16<matt__>for asus 1001p?
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16:17<ml|>matt__: you probably want i386 since you are asking
16:18<ml|>suri: the versions of that package
16:18<ml|>in the different releases
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16:19<suri>so u mean to get the .deb for libnss3-1d
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16:19<ml|>no... < sney> suri it just needs some extra packages, run aptitude safe-upgrade and aptitude will fix it for you
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16:21<suri>ml|, after running that "aptitude safe-upgrade" only i got the error msg i pasted above!
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16:23<ml|>suri: well, pastebin your sources, you should have security lines and have that new version; and explain what you've done we are not mind readers here :)
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16:24<gues>Hi, I don't use any DesktopEnviroment, only tiling manager and i got question: how to setup (first) logging in x-terminal? Because now I have to login in tty and startx.
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16:26<bremner_>gues: you can still use a display manager like gdm or xdm
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16:27<valdyn>gues: gdm or xdm or kdm, your choice
16:27<suri>ml|, its asking for dependencies??
16:30<valdyn>suri: you should get a google chrome package for your distro / release
16:30<ml|>yes, you told us that already; I said to pastebin your sources.list or just say if you security lines for lenny on there
16:30<valdyn>suri: not one that is not for lenny
16:31<valdyn>or nevermind thats not even lenny
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16:31<Glorf>Hi, i've got a little problem with my debian live-usb : when i want to su/sudo, i don't know what is the password
16:32<valdyn>suri: is that even debian?
16:32<ml|>valdyn: but shouldn't he have the newer version of that package?
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16:32<valdyn>ml|: yea, i jumped to conclusions prematurely, his package is older than lenny or not from debian
16:32<Glorf> i followed this tuto
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16:33<ml|> < judd> libnss3-1d -- lenny:; lenny-security:; squeeze: 3.12.5-2; sid: 3.12.6-1
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16:33<suri>ml it is sources.list
16:33<matt__>should i download all 31 debian disks?
16:33<valdyn>matt__: no
16:33<dpkg>The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>.
16:33<ml|>matt__: if you have a good connection use the netinst
16:34<matt__>aight netinst it is
16:34<valdyn>I wonder why debian even creates those disks still
16:34<ml|>for offline people I guess
16:35<matt__>woah offline people...
16:35<matt__>scary thought... what they doing with all that debian stuff offline man... it bottles the mind..
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16:35<valdyn>thats 2 bd
16:35<valdyn>or how many dvd?
16:35<jthomas_sb> How well does it work to have two seperate GNU/Linux servers to both have the same printers set up in their CUPS? Does this cause issues, or is it smooth sailing, or do results vary with the position of the sun?
16:36<valdyn>jthomas_sb: how do you connect that printer to 2 computers at the same time?
16:36<valdyn>jthomas_sb: custom usb fork?
16:36<jthomas_sb>network printers
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16:36<ml|>suri: see your sources.list read what it says
16:36<valdyn>jthomas_sb: so by definition that printer can get jobs from as many computers as you can get into a network, not just 2
16:37<bremner_>jthomas_sb: if it is really a network printer, then no problem
16:37<jthomas_sb>yes that was my thought, altho if one person is printing from system a and someone on system b stops the printer, does it affect system a ?
16:37<erlhan>hi speak spanis ???
16:37<valdyn>jthomas_sb: he cannot "stop the printer" unless you give him access to the admin interface
16:37<jthomas_sb>si pero:
16:38<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:38<valdyn>jthomas_sb: he can only terminate jobs
16:38<bremner_>or smash the printer with a big hammer (sorry)
16:38<jthomas_sb>ok, i think that should do it then, thanks valdyn
16:38<jthomas_sb>oh dang, the hammer!
16:38<suri>ml|, it is showing that the default download is from dvd, i think
16:38<valdyn>jthomas_sb: this is pretty much foolproof nowadays with these printers being made for small clueless offices
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16:39<ml|>suri: should look like this ... plus regular lenny lines
16:39<valdyn>suri: you need to get a proper debian install newer than etch - that makes it lenny
16:40<dpkg>The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc> lenny main" and "deb lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
16:40<valdyn>suri: ^^
16:40<suri>valdyn, Thank you
16:40<monox>20:37 < bremner_> jthomas_sb: if it is really a network printer, then no problem
16:40<ml|>valdyn: he is using lenny afaic... deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 200904$
16:41<valdyn>suri: if you have the proper dvds then you can upgrade to lenny with those too
16:41<valdyn>suri: but one things is sure, that your libnss3-1d is not lenny
16:42<suri>valdyn, no dvds...i have only internet connections..
16:42<suri>valdyn, So i cant get chrome anyhow installed in debian???
16:42<valdyn>suri: your sources.list entry that ml| just showed off tells us that you installed from dvd though
16:42<valdyn>suri: or that *someone* installed from dvd
16:43<ml|>suri: should look like this ... plus regular lenny lines
16:43<valdyn>suri: you can easily get chrome, but the thing were working on is getting you proper debian/lenny, not the bastardisation that you have right now
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16:43<valdyn>suri: thats the prerequisite to getting chrome anyway
16:44<valdyn>theres a proper sources.list line for chrome too, btw
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16:46<Glorf>I need some help about the live debian : i don't find the root password
16:46<valdyn>"deb stable main" probably
16:46<adb>Glorf, 'sudo -i'
16:47<Glorf>thanks you =)
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16:47<valdyn>to bad the google guys didnt put up the proper "lenny" link too
16:47<valdyn>so its "stable" unfortunately
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16:50<Glorf>i have another question about the live-usb : when i ssh@my computer, what is the password of user ?
16:50<valdyn>Glorf: ssh has no extra password
16:51<Glorf>i want to say (i am french, so my english isn't very comprehensive, sorry)
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16:51<adb>Glorf, as root 'password user'
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16:52<Glorf>ssh asroot@hostname ?
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16:52<adb>nah , before that
16:53<Glorf>don't understand
16:53<adb>do first as root 'password user'
16:53<Glorf>on the pc with the live-usb, or this one ?
16:53<valdyn>adb: what the hell is that supposed to do?
16:53<valdyn>adb: since when is there a "password" command?
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16:55<ml|>Glorf: if you want to ssh to another computer it needs to be setup and if it is you use that user's password ssh user@host if setup it will ask for password
16:56<Glorf>i know
16:56<Glorf>but, i installed the ssh server (no problem here)on the computer with the live-usb
16:56<Glorf>and, i don't know the password of the user in the live-usb
16:58<ml|>ah, you want to connect to livecd right?
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16:59<ml|>btw, for live user the password is live
16:59<sney>adb: I think you meant 'passwd'
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16:59<Glorf>merci ml|
16:59<ml|>Glorf: set one for root if you want to use root
16:59<Glorf>i can sudo -i
17:00<ml|>sudo passwd to set a password for root
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17:00<Glorf>thanks you
17:00<ml|>then you can ssh in as root if you like
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17:01<Glorf>so, i can get back my server (my update from grub legacy gave me a grub 15 error...)
17:01<ml|>good luck
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17:09<Glorf>WTF ? >;<
17:09<Glorf>my ssh server on my desktop accept only connect from localhost
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17:29<Father0fNine>Does anyone know if Firefox 3.6 has been (rebranded and) packaged for Debian yet?
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17:31<ml|>not yet, there are test versions tho ...
17:32<Father0fNine>Err.. what's "Glandium"?
17:32<ml|>the maintainers blog
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17:34<aguitel>anyway to run nautilus with superuser?
17:35<Father0fNine>Ummm... preview package is only 1MB?
17:35<ml|>root x
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17:36<aguitel>ml|, in ubuntu i run nautilus :sudo nautilus ,in debian?
17:38<scarleo>I'm experiencing a strange problem. I worked on the computer a few hours ago, shut down to go have a few beer with a frien, just got home an Wireless wont work.
17:38<ml|>aguitel: /msg dpkg root x and ask dpkg about <sux> like /msg dpkg sux; I never done it so don't know, but dpkg can help
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17:39<scarleo>If I connect with wire everything is ok. Tried to restart router, it's ok to connect wifi from other machine
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17:39<ml|>aguitel: Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>!
17:40<scarleo>nm-applet says I'm connected, gives me 94% strength, but cant connect to either internet or other computer on network
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17:41<aguitel>ml|, ok
17:41<sdk>Kk, situation. I have a log file mounted over sshfs with a symlink. I have PHP opening the ln'ed logfile on the 'remote' system. When open a browser and look at the php, the browser locks, hard. Have to kill it. When I move a copy of hte log file to /tmp, it opens fine. ANy ideas why the browser would be locking? PHP in pastebin Any ideas?
17:41<sdk>Oh, wow, sorry for the length.
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17:42<sdk>s/look at the php/look at the page/g
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17:44<sdk>Error I get in Iceweasel when it locks:
17:45<sdk>Warning: feof(): Supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /var/some/dir/over/there.php on line 20
17:45<ml|>you just cp to /tmp and works?
17:46<sdk>ml| yep
17:46<sdk>same privs, the works
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17:47<ml|>weird, was about to ask that
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17:47<ml|>any other browser you can try that with or have the same issue?
17:47<sdk>It seems like the PHP is expecting the file to be a stream and keeps trying to get more, but since there is no more it loops or just freezes and waits
17:47<sdk>Hmm.. memme try some others.
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17:49<sdk>ml| locks up IE also on another system.
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17:49<sdk>(we're a windows shop, I'm working to bring in Linux)
17:50<sdk>ml|: wow, but in XP it turns the whole system into molasses.
17:50<Glorf>I got a problem with my ssh server
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17:51<Glorf>he's accepting connexion only from localhost
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17:52<Glorf>bad ip...
17:52*Glorf running out
17:52<sdk>Glorf: Heh.. :)
17:52<Glorf> instead of
17:52<ml|>dpkg: lart Glorf
17:52*dpkg pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Glorf's head to break the homerun record
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17:58<sdk>AHAH! Methinks I got it! the WHILE loop is looking for an EOF, which it is not getting, so it is constantly requesting from the server more input. It's not locking everything, it's making it catatonic!
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17:59<sdk>while (!feof($somevar)) {$order = fgets($somevar,9);}
18:00<sdk>So, the the condition to end the while is never met, so it keeps looping! I think. :)
18:00<sdk>Gah, have to catch train. Thanks ml|!
18:01<sdk>Peace all.
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18:01<ml|>sdk: np, but I did nothig
18:01<ml|>!congratulate sdk
18:01<dpkg>Good show sdk, you did it!
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18:56<Cygnus>cyrus or dovecot which is more recommended for sasl authentication?
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18:57<babilen>both work well, dovecot is said to be pretty secure YMMV
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18:58<Cygnus>either or them uses berkeleydb for data storage or do they use any aditional means. I am looking for a small memory footprint mail system. The smaller the merrier
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19:00<babilen>We run dovecot at university and are pretty happy with it. I'm using cyrus locally, but haven't touched the setup in ages ..
19:03<babilen>And both setups are serving maildirs .. (the one and only)
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19:03<babilen>btw s/cyrus/courier :)
19:04<whitemirror>somebody can give me help?
19:04<babilen>whitemirror: All your problems are solved!
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19:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
19:06<whitemirror>ok thanks
19:06<babilen>whitemirror: Don't /msg people and backtrack if off-topic here
19:06<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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19:26<zfra>How can I find the filesystem type of a disk (usb, external hd, etc.) that is not listed in the '/etc/fstab'?, 'fdisk -l' would give something like 'Linux', but if I want it even more specific, say 'ext4', but 'gparted' shows directly the filesystem type, but I want to doit from the command line, not graphical need.
19:28<Cygnus>zfra: disregard that last line
19:28<themill>zfra: file -s /dev/foobar
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19:33<zfra>themill: thanks.
19:34<zfra>Cygnus: thanks.
19:35<sney>hmm, when I do that it just says 'data'
19:36<Cygnus>do it on different /dev/sdax it will mention different file systmes according to what your hd has, i tried it myself a few momments ago
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19:39<sney>just got the one pae
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19:56<Glorf>I'm back
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19:59<Glorf>I booted on my debian live-usb, but i still got a problem. When i want to chroot my system, impossible to mount /dev/sda1 (he's mounted on /live/image). chroot /live/image > chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
20:01<Glorf>anyone got an idea ?
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20:02<sney>Glorf: sometimes usb drives change the device names, your hard drive may be /dev/sdb now
20:03<Glorf>no, my HDD is /dev/sda, i checked
20:03<Glorf>(i only have /dev/sda)
20:04<sney>you have a usb stick attached as well and it has a device name
20:04<sney>do fdisk -l and see which is which
20:04<Glorf>oh yeah, you're right
20:05<Glorf>my HDD is at /dev/hdaX
20:05<Glorf>thanks you
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20:10<astronut>is icedove known to be broken in sid?
20:11<ml|>check bts and it is sid
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20:11<astronut>ml|: i already did, don't see anything
20:12<astronut>the weird thing is i could have sworn i'd restarted it since my last update
20:12<astronut>since ftpmaster is down...
20:13<ml|>well, then you might need to report it then; but make sure it's not an issue on your end first
20:13<astronut>interesting... something got corrupted
20:13<astronut>ml|: that's why i was asking... to see if it was a known issue or something on my end
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20:14<astronut>apaprently my filesystem ate something
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20:16<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
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20:17<ml|>linuxguy: /msg dpkg selftell
20:17<linuxguy>oops i forget should of asked the botty.......sorry
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21:13<didik>Can you help me? how to record streamed audio? such as motion for video streaming.
21:14<dr|z3d>didik: What are you trying to record?
21:14<dr|z3d>You want to screen capture, or?
21:15<didik>I wanted to combine the video and audio streaming via web cam.
21:17<didik>no screen capture. but such programs camserv and motion for video streaming on linux
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21:17<dr|z3d>So you want to stream audio and video yourself, from your webcam?
21:18<dr|z3d>I'd say your first port of call with be VLC.
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21:20<didik> from a program like VLC but later on, I access from a web browser.
21:22<didik>bottom line: I want to make a security system using a web cam for streaming video and audio can be accessed via web browser
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21:22<dr|z3d>apt-cache search webcam
21:22<Cygnus>didik: take a look at what vlc can do for you
21:22<dr|z3d>see what that spits out
21:22<dr|z3d>And VLC can do plenty, indeed, Cygnus.
21:23<dr|z3d>The name kind of hints at more than just a static player.. video LAN client..
21:23<Cygnus>dr|z3d: right tool on the right hands can do wonders :)
21:24<dr|z3d>!beer Cygnus
21:24*dpkg deftly decants a fine Jever for Cygnus
21:24*Cygnus sips his beer silently
21:26<didik>confused - confused.....
21:27<dr|z3d>didik: rtfm? :)
21:27<didik>i'will try...
21:27<dr|z3d>didik: In brief, VLC supports streaming.
21:27<quarrk>a lot of information tech projects in the hands of confused people are creating a lot of fuckups :))
21:28<dr|z3d>It will also interface with your cam.
21:28<dr|z3d>!confuse didik
21:28<dpkg>Yes, those is our gerbil today, didik? Wellies of the Monarchy of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies.
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21:29<didik>make a project like VLC? just to record?
21:29<Cygnus>Tell me why not?
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21:30<dr|z3d>Make a project? No, just install VLC. The work's been done for you :)
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21:31<dpkg>i heard id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
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21:35<didik>yes ... I'm Indonesian
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21:38<didik>Cygnus, I want to create a security system with cameras without the need to include linux default program, but using an existing package in linux. how?
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22:45<twb>In chroots, I get this from apt: Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
22:45<twb>Can I get rid of it WITHOUT mounting /dev/pts?
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23:10<jie_>I'm using AMD64 unstable. Usually there are several updates every day. But no updates since March 26th. Anyone see the same thing?
23:10<amphi>!tell jie_ -about ries
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23:12<dvs>That's gonna be one hellava update once it's fixed.
23:14<toomanyhobbies>How often are there usually i386 stable updates?
23:15<dvs>toomanyhobbies: about once a week
23:15<ml|>I'm in testing and waiting on 78 even without that problem
23:15<ml|>updated ~week before
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23:23<jie_>amphi: thanks!
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23:38<Guest866>can anyone help me with wget application
23:38<jamuraa>just ask your question Guest866
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23:39<dr|z3d>Guest1679: sure: from a terminal: man wget
23:39<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
23:39<Guest866>i am trying to download from a site but it only downloads the home page
23:40<Guest866>can anyone help me
23:40<linuxguy>hi can i get some advice o installing the nvidia drivers with sqeeze please?, have been told its a litle different than with lenny
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23:42<jamuraa>Guest866: you will have to explain your problem more accurately
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23:43<dr|z3d>Guest866: You need to specify the exact resource you wish to download with wget.
23:43<dr|z3d>So you might want foo.jpg.. you need to specify the full path to that.
23:44<Guest866>i am trying to download some video files from a site that requires payment
23:44*dr|z3d laughs.
23:44<dr|z3d>Give up, or pay the fee!
23:44<Guest866>and i need to bypass that to get the videos
23:44<Guest866>can wget do that ?
23:44<dr|z3d>wget can't bypass protections.
23:44<dr|z3d>can you browser do that?
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23:44<dr|z3d>if not, then neither can wget.
23:45<twb>That depends whether they're REAL protections or just obscurity.
23:45<Guest866>what can do that
23:45<dr|z3d>Nothing can, short of a brute force password cracker, if those proections are valid.
23:46<twb>For example, you might work out from examples that all their screenshots have the form Then you can just tell wget to download them directly by supplying the URLs.
23:46<Guest866>i mean bypass a site that requires creditcard payment
23:46<dr|z3d>Pay for video sites generally implement fairly robust protections.
23:46<dr|z3d>(or they disappear in short measure).
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23:47<Guest866>ok thanks you guys
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23:49<linuxguy>I understamd that if i am using debian squeeze, i need to install the nvidia drivers a litle differently becuase of the weekly updates?
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23:55<johnfg>hi folks
23:55<johnfg>Just had a weird thing happen in Synaptic Package Manager.
23:56<johnfg>I went to install some php programs, and get these errors:
23:56<johnfg>E: php5-cli: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
23:56<johnfg>E: php-pear: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
23:56<johnfg>Anyone know what I can do to fix this?
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23:59<twb>johnfg: depends what the error was
23:59<twb>johnfg: you need to look further up the output, to find out what failed
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