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00:07<paul3333>hi, there's no one on #ubuntu right now so can someone tell me where is the file that holds the screen rezolutions for multiple monitors on ubuntu?
00:07<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
00:11<paul3333>i know...but there literally is no one on #ubuntu right now
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00:11<paul3333>so can't you make an exception ? :)
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00:13<sney>paul3333: it's nothing personal, really. we just don't know. we use debian, and ubuntu has changed enough that what we know doesn't apply. maybe try their forums?
00:14<paul3333>alrighty... already did, been browsing for more than an hour to find out how to change a stupid rezolution...but i'll wait for tomorrow and ask on ubuntu
00:14<sney>also, the main #ubuntu is on, a different irc network than this one. the #ubuntu here is usually empty.
00:15<paul3333>didn't know that
00:15<paul3333>thanks sney
00:15<ctaylor>also you could try man xrandr
00:15<ctaylor>but what sney said, try freenode
00:16<paul3333>will do that now thanks
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00:21<Nasi_ml_\o>Não desenvolverão amsn para squeeze?
00:21<Nasi_ml_\o>Alguém sabe por que ?///
00:22<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
00:22<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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00:40<toomanyhobbies>Does anyone know of any text-based BBS type software that could be used over SSH?
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00:44<toomanyhobbies>I'm looking for a program that could be used as a bulletin board for users of a server. (via SSH)
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01:03<beer>nice, ries is nearly back
01:04<beer>hope that it will bring some nice updates when I boot my computer tomorrw
01:05<snogglethorpe>"nearly back"...?
01:06<beer>the hardware problem are fixed so they are running fsceck now
01:07<beer>should be back online today or tomorrow
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01:09<snogglethorpe>mmm, beer
01:12<snogglethorpe>beer is good
01:13<snogglethorpe>hold on
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02:21<Scub>hello everyone, i was wondering if anyone has experience setting up a dual head system using xorg/xrandr
02:23<beer>I have with xorg but I was using nvidia-settings to do so
02:24<Scub>ah, yea im using the intel driver
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02:25<Scub>out of curiosity were the screens of the same size
02:27<Scub>hehe, was one widescreen?
02:28<beer>yes my laptop was widescreen and my externel was non-widescreen (what is the prober name?)
02:28<Scub>there is hope for me yet :3
02:28<Scub>im have the dual head working but the environment is cutting off on my laptop screen
02:28<Scub>i have*
02:29<beer>I did not have that problem.
02:29<beer>do you have one xserver per screen or xserver to fit both screens?
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02:32<Scub>i just have a single instance of xserver running, i've set it up as a virtual screen
02:32<Scub>sry not sure if thats what your asking
02:32<beer>it was.
02:33<beer>if you would not have this "cutting out" some of the envirement you should look into have more xservers. One per screen. The drawback is that you only can drag the mouse from screen to screen. not apps
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02:34<Scub>yea, thats something i kinda wanted :|
02:34<beer>but I dont know how to do that on intel since I have always use the nvidia-settings to do so
02:34<beer>maybe there are bether solution out there but then I dont know about it
02:35<GhostlyDeath>Squeeze is missing an openvz kernel, however lenny has one, is there a way to still use OpenVZ?
02:35<GhostlyDeath>Has the package changed at all?
02:35<Scub>well ty for your help good sir, you wouldn't happen to know of another place i could ask would ya
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02:37<GhostlyDeath>Would I need to recompile a kernel for Debian in order to use OpenVZ?
02:39<beer>Scub: I dont realy know but there must be some guides/toturials/how to/etc on google
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02:39<beer>since buntu and debian is so semelar,maybe, you could finde guide to buntu
02:40<Scub>buntu works out of the box apparently
02:40<GhostlyDeath>What do I do for Virtualization in Squeeze?
02:41<Scub>look into vmware
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02:42<Scub>also GhostlyDeath you only need ask once when someone see's it you will get an answer
02:42<Scub>remember this is an irc after all, your question may take a while to be answered
02:42<Scub>my advice is to kick back and get comfortable
02:42<Scub>but look into vmware in the mean while
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02:43<Scub>alright im going to try this out
02:43<Scub>gotta restart x
02:44*Scub shall return and let you know of my success or failure
02:44<GhostlyDeath>Scub: I've visited #debian since 2005 so i know what the deal is
02:45<Scub>spam your question furiously in 10 diff ways until your answered in the hopes you will stop?
02:45*Scub sry
02:45<Scub>little aggrevated been fighting with xorg a few hours
02:45<GhostlyDeath>If VMWare requires virtualization, it cannot be used
02:46<Scub>VMware is virtualization
02:46<Scub>at least from my understanding
02:46<GhostlyDeath>If it requires Vanderpool, etc. it is of no use to me
02:46<Scub>you might know something i don't but i believe you sir are mistaken
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02:47<Scub>anyways im off to try this out
02:47<Scub>later beer thanks for the conversing :)
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03:16<slb_>if id like to combine 2 of my drives using lvm do they both need to be freshly formatted as one of my drives already has data on it which i can backup if necessary and if using lvm is it recommended i set up raid 1 on the 2 drives as well? My main goal is to create one large volume with my 2 drives
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03:17<GhostlyDeath>slb_: Are they the same size?
03:18<GhostlyDeath>raid 1 will use the least size partition
03:18<GhostlyDeath>so if you had 10GB and 20GB, both disks would only be 10GB, meaning 20GBs for the RAID 1
03:18<GhostlyDeath>and 10GBs wasted
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03:19<GhostlyDeath>No, forget that
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03:19<GhostlyDeath>RAID 1 is mirrored
03:20<slb_>i meant raid 0 my bad
03:20<slb_>im sorry i totally meant to write raid 0
03:20<GhostlyDeath>raid 0 would require a reformat
03:20<GhostlyDeath>You could setup LVM to use your existing partition
03:21<GhostlyDeath>then resize2fs once you add the other disk
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03:22<GhostlyDeath>You'd need to clone the partition however
03:22<slb_>well right now i have one i just added that isnt formatted at all the other is my boot drive actually with my system and is partitioned also
03:22<GhostlyDeath>You planning on doing this to /?
03:22<slb_>i kind of just want to merge with a particular partition
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03:23<slb_>id like to do it to /home which is a seperate partition from /
03:23<slb_>and /home is completely seperate and largest partition on my main drive
03:23<slb_>combining /home and this new drive would be ideal actually
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03:23<GhostlyDeath>What's your current disk setup?
03:24<GhostlyDeath>slb_: I use mdadm with a linear raid on my current PCs
03:25<GhostlyDeath>Then when I added a new disk, I just grew the raid to the new disk, and resized the ext3 filesystem
03:25<slb_>my current steup is /dev/sda1 is / and of linux type and /dev/sda2 is /home and is linux type
03:25<slb_>i mean extended my bad
03:25<slb_>i think
03:26<GhostlyDeath>and your new disk is /dev/sdbX?
03:26<slb_> is fdisk readout listing
03:26<slb_>my new drvie isnt even moutned yet
03:27<slb_>but i imagine it will be
03:27<slb_>will be sdbX that is
03:27<GhostlyDeath>How big is /home and how big is the new disk' partition?
03:28<slb_>the new disk i want to use it all which is 1.5 tb
03:28<GhostlyDeath>Is /home 1.5TB?
03:28<GhostlyDeath>How big is it?
03:28<slb_>i think /home is probably a little less than a tb
03:28<GhostlyDeath>You got exact size?
03:28<slb_>is there an easy way of telling what size
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03:29<GhostlyDeath>look at /home
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03:29<slb_>: /dev/sda6 949130952 5138932 895778952 1% /home
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03:29<GhostlyDeath>And since you want to go RAID 0, you said
03:29<slb_>well if its better to do so yes
03:29<GhostlyDeath>You will need a partition of the same size on your new disk
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03:30<GhostlyDeath>RAID 0 requires that all disks are the same size, otherwise the smallest disk size will be used
03:30<slb_>what about raid 1+5
03:30<slb_>same thing?
03:30<GhostlyDeath>raid 1 is mirrored
03:30<GhostlyDeath>same goes for raid 5
03:30<slb_>so it all needs to be exact
03:30<GhostlyDeath>linear raids do not need partitiosn of the same size
03:30<GhostlyDeath>exact or you lose space
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03:30<GhostlyDeath>So your new partition would need to be bigger, to prevent the end of /home being snipped off
03:30<slb_>but i can just use lvm to make one large drive then
03:30<GhostlyDeath>I believe so
03:31<slb_>the new drive is bigger than /home anyway
03:31<GhostlyDeath>as long as you don't do raid 0 type setup
03:31<GhostlyDeath>or other raid
03:31<slb_>what are my other raid options i thoughtthey all need to be exact?
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03:32<GhostlyDeath>Only linaer, which isn't really a RAID, like RAID 0, can be used on any size disk
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03:32<GhostlyDeath>slb_: If you want to go raid 0, the only way to do it
03:32<GhostlyDeath>would be to shrink /home to maybe .75TB
03:33<GhostlyDeath>and create 2 .75TB partitions on your new disk
03:33<GhostlyDeath>then raid the 3 partitions
03:33<slb_>i see and combine them all
03:33<GhostlyDeath>You would not get a boost of speed
03:33<slb_>i coudl do that for raid 5 also right
03:33<GhostlyDeath>since two partitiosn in the raid would be on the same disk
03:33<slb_>sounds pointless really to go with raid in my case
03:33<GhostlyDeath>well with RAID 5, would add parity
03:33<slb_>its a nice feature
03:34<GhostlyDeath>since the parity disk would be on the same disk
03:34<slb_>but i rather have all seperate drives for that
03:34<GhostlyDeath>if that disk fails, you are screwed
03:34<GhostlyDeath>Either go with lvm that supports extenindg or linear raid, like myself
03:35<GhostlyDeath>Plus you'd only have 1.5TB instead of /home + 1.5TB
03:35<slb_>forget that
03:35<GhostlyDeath>Also, ext3 is limited to 2TB if you use a block size of 512 bytes
03:35<slb_>i want /home + 1.5tb
03:35<GhostlyDeath>err 1KiB
03:35<slb_>if you were in my position you'd do lvm?
03:36<GhostlyDeath>I'd do linear raid as I've had some experience with that
03:36<GhostlyDeath>I have not tried lvm at all
03:36<GhostlyDeath>Google might be able to help you
03:36<slb_>someone recommeneded it to me to use lvm
03:36<slb_>and its also in this book im reading
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03:37<GhostlyDeath>slb_: If you can run this command...
03:37<slb_>im not sure if it was in this server or on freenode but i think he was a contributing author of the book i purchased which has a whole tihng on raid and lvm but i wasnt clear onw aht to do in my specific situation
03:37<slb_>or rather what is best
03:37<GhostlyDeath>dumpe2fs <partition containing /home>
03:38<GhostlyDeath>on the top
03:38<GhostlyDeath>Block size: 1024
03:38<GhostlyDeath>or similar
03:38<slb_>Block size: 4096
03:38<GhostlyDeath>Your ext3 can be 16TiBs max
03:39<slb_>which is a lot
03:39<GhostlyDeath>So if you setup lvm via existing disk
03:39<GhostlyDeath>be sure to backup
03:39<GhostlyDeath>Never used LVM so I don't really know
03:39<GhostlyDeath>if the data remains the same, the disk should appear bigger, then just resize2fs
03:39<slb_>but lvm will accomplish what i ultimately want to do right
03:39<GhostlyDeath>and wait a while
03:39<GhostlyDeath>slb_: I do not know exactly
03:39<slb_>thats the point of it i guess
03:40<slb_>im pretty sure u can also partition within the lvm and what not
03:40<GhostlyDeath>I could say yes, but that would be a bad thing
03:40<slb_>i was reading a lot about it in this book
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03:41<slb_>im pretty sure id have to make my /home partition LVM type instead of linux
03:41<slb_>not sure if that requires a format or not
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03:47<GhostlyDeath>I'm gonna miss /dev/hdX
03:47<GhostlyDeath>now /etc/fstab requires UUID heh
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03:49<slb_>yea i was reading about that
03:49<GhostlyDeath>Would be a pain in the ass, "mount: /dev/hdX is no longer supported, a UUID must be supplied"
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03:52<GhostlyDeath>How would I get rid of that ugly console font in squeeze?
03:52<GhostlyDeath>I want my VGA 80x25 characters back
03:52<GhostlyDeath>well, EGA
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03:59<nef>hey guys
04:00<nef>i wonder if anybody could help me with my problem
04:01<GhostlyDeath>We cannot help you
04:01<GhostlyDeath>We don't know your problem
04:01<Worf_>we could guess
04:01<nef>ahh , let me explain :P
04:01<GhostlyDeath>I think, in order to defrost your bagels
04:01<GhostlyDeath>You should use power at 30%
04:01<GhostlyDeath>works for me
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04:02<nef>so, installed debian stable x64 on my main system
04:02<nef>and everything works fine, but after installing fglrx
04:02<nef>my cursor disappeared
04:02<nef>it still works
04:02<nef>so i can click around
04:02<nef>but i cannot see the pointer
04:02<nef>i started googling around, but couldn't find anything useful
04:03<nef>also tried playing around with xorg.conf but no help either
04:03<GhostlyDeath>My cursor disappeared
04:03<GhostlyDeath>Used to be a problem where it would just go poof, it would work
04:03<GhostlyDeath>I forgot what I did
04:03<GhostlyDeath>this was back in 2005 though
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04:04<nef>tried xsetroot as well
04:04<GhostlyDeath>nef: 3D works and all that?
04:04<valdyn>nef: did you dis or enable the hardware cursor?
04:04<valdyn>nef: ( in xorg.conf ) ?
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04:05<nef>well, at first it wasn't even in the config, then i read somewhere that it helped for somebody(disabling i mean) and i disabled it too
04:05<nef>but that didn't help
04:05<nef>i don't think that 3d works
04:05<nef>i get that funny jitter when scrolling webpages
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04:06<Dep>yo, not a debian specific question i suppose, but does anyone know how to set up mouse speed in X? I am using gnome, and set it to the fastest possible speed there but it's not fast enough(!)
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04:06<Dep>oh wait .. Option "Resolution" "1600" ?
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04:12<nef>Xorg log: "DRI init failed"
04:12<nef>it says that 2D accel is enabled but 3D is not
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04:14<GhostlyDeath>An upstream kernel made me lose my munin stats for hdX
04:15<GhostlyDeath>due to drive renames to sdX
04:15<nef>any idea ? :<
04:15<GhostlyDeath>Calling my lawyer right now
04:15<GhostlyDeath>I would not know, I use an intel card
04:16<nef>bad for you ;]
04:17<nef>hmm, done an aticonfig --initial again
04:17<nef>gonna see if it helps
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05:38<amol112>while compiling latest kenel i am getting error as uts release version in include/linux/version.h "" does not match curent vesion
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05:43<amol112>is this bug in latest kernel or debian/
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06:04<AngryDrake>Hi. I'm trying to install FASM on Debian 5, and am having little success. I downloaded and extracted the tgz file, but trying to run the fasm file inside the newly-created fails completely.
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06:06<ifuthinkucan>u thr
06:07<ifuthinkucan>Hey anyone thr...
06:07<ifuthinkucan>need help?
06:07<ifuthinkucan>in packagin
06:07<ifuthinkucan>in debian
06:07<muzy>may you should ask a smart question
06:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
06:08<muzy>ah great dr|z3d ;-) I just pasted the link from #php :P
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06:11<AngryDrake>And by 'fails completely', I mean 'command not found'. There doesn't appear to be installation instructions anywhere in the archive, and googling turns up very little.
06:11<Supaplexm>what's debian installer use for the encrypted part of encrypted lvm?
06:12<babilen>AngryDrake: Try running it with a full or relative path as the executable is probably not in your PATH
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06:14<AngryDrake>babilen: Aha! That brings up the command line instructions! Thank you.
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06:15<babilen>AngryDrake: You could install the program to /usr/local - ask dpkg about "usrlocal" and "stow" or add the path it is currently installed at to your PATH
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06:17<AngryDrake>How do I ask dpkg about these?
06:18<BeWilled>I have a little question involving security... anyone out there?
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06:18<babilen>AngryDrake: "/msg dpkg FACTOID" - so that would be "/msg dpkg stow" for stow :)
06:18<babilen>BeWilled: We don't see anything, ever!
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06:19<BeWilled>babilen: nooby question
06:19<babilen>AngryDrake: It it also quite likely that the configure script accepts the "--prefix" option. You could then configure it to install to usrlocal with "./configure --prefix=/usr/local"
06:19<babilen>BeWilled: Just ask
06:19<AngryDrake>Hmm. Can I just put the fasm executable in the /usr/local/bin/ directory?
06:19<babilen>BeWilled: If anyone is there who can answer your question (s)he will answer it
06:20<Supaplexm>AngryDrake: sounds like a good place for it.
06:20<babilen>AngryDrake: That would probably work, but it might need additional libraries.
06:20<BeWilled>How can I remain anonymous on the internet? hide behind a proxy?
06:20<Supaplexm>AngryDrake: but, there should be a "make install" of some sort.
06:20<babilen>BeWilled: Take a look at "tor"
06:20<babilen>,info tor
06:20<judd>tor (comm, optional): anonymizing overlay network for TCP. Version:; Size: 1241.9k; Installed: 2776k; Homepage:
06:20<AngryDrake>Well, there isn't in this archive.
06:20<amz>how can i open url without open it, i mean some silence open, for update IP via dyndns
06:21<babilen>AngryDrake: You just downloaded the binary?
06:21<AngryDrake>babilen: Looks like.
06:21<BeWilled>groovy guys, many thanks
06:21<AngryDrake>There's a subfolder in there called source, but it contains .inc files and an .asm file in the Linux subsubfolder.
06:21<nikola>BeWilled: look at this site:
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06:22<AngryDrake>Specifically, I downloaded the Linux version from
06:23<Supaplexm>you're just afraid of gas
06:23<BeWilled>Does "Tor" hide my ip?
06:23<babilen>AngryDrake: Ok, you can place it in /usr/local/bin which will make it available for all users, or create a directory ~/bin and add it to your PATH. See for a snippet that you can include in .bash_profile
06:23<babilen>BeWilled: Yes it does
06:23<RichiH>_something_ is accessing my pata & sata devices which means i can't burn CDs without that failing nor can i spin down disks with sg_start --stop without them spinning up again within seconds -- any idea how i can track down what causes this (hal does not seem to be the culprit)
06:25<AngryDrake>babilen: Where do I fidn my .bash_profile?
06:26<AngryDrake>Doesn't seem to be in my user directory.
06:26<Supaplexm>if it's missing, just create it
06:26<babilen>AngryDrake: Ah, you should add that to ~/.bashrc anyway - Just use "sensible-editor ~/.bashrc"
06:26<Supaplexm>it belongs in your home directory
06:27<babilen>AngryDrake: If you don't have that file, you might want to copy it first from /etc/skel/.bashrc
06:29<AngryDrake>What exactly does it do? (After putting the fasm executable in the /usr/local/bin/ directory, I can now use it.)
06:29<Supaplexm>the dark secrets are hiding in the bash man page
06:30<babilen>AngryDrake: Then you don't have to add that snippet to your .bashrc - That was an alternative if you don't want to install that executable in a location that is available to all users (i.e. your home directory)
06:30<AngryDrake>I see.
06:30<AngryDrake>Well, thanks for the help, guys!
06:30<babilen>no problem
06:30<babilen>enjoy FASM
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06:35<st>where are the keyboard settings stored?
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06:44<st908989089>where are the keyboard settings stored?
06:44<dpkg>Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on
06:44<babilen>st908989089: Are you using something like Gnome or KDE?
06:45<st908989089>babilen, no
06:45<babilen>sorry, telephone :-\
06:45<st908989089>just X
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06:49<cahoot>st908989089: look at /etc/default/keyboard
06:50<st908989089>cahoot, and where are per-user settings?
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07:04<cahoot>st908989089: don't know if one can use some setting in ~/.Xdefaults or must resort to call setxkbmap
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07:20<thomas__>i have installen debian to a disk, encrypted. now i want to mount that encrypted disk from an other debian installation, and i get this message: unknown filesystem type 'crypt_LUKS'
07:20<thomas__>can anyone help?
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07:22<Supaplexm>thomas__: you'll probably need cryptmount and modprobe dm-crypt. I'm trying to figure out how to setup something similar on a mac.
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07:23<g0ddi3>I have installed Debian next to my Win7, the installation worked fine but i cant boot my Win7, there is no entry for Windows in the startup Menu, only Ubuntu :(
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07:27<thomas__> this is what i have now
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07:27<cahoot>g0ddi3: this is #debian so you should use #ubuntu, that said try sudo update-grub
07:27<thomas__>propably because my partition is a logical volume
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07:28<cahoot>g0ddi3: if that fails to recognise win - make sure os-prober is installed
07:28<valdyn>thomas__: no
07:29<valdyn>thomas__: its a an lvm pv
07:29<valdyn>thomas__: or thats what mount thinks it is
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07:29<thomas__>i think ist an crypto volume, containing an swap partition and a root partition, but im not 100% sure
07:30<valdyn>thomas__: well, you cant mount swap partitions either
07:30<thomas__>i dont want to mout the swap partition
07:30<g0ddi3>omg - thats my first Linux Desktop. They said it is easy :D grrr
07:30<thomas__>i want to access the partitions in the crypto volume, and mount the root partition
07:30<cahoot>g0ddi3: well your problem is with win - not linux
07:31<valdyn>thomas__: go back to your other debian and figure out what it really is
07:31<g0ddi3>when i try update-grub it says: permission denied
07:31<Supaplexm>as root
07:31<cahoot>g0ddi3: forgot sudo?
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07:32<thomas__>valdyn, and then?
07:32<valdyn>thomas__: then you can do whatever is appropriate
07:32<g0ddi3>oh, yes
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07:32<valdyn>thomas__: instead of guesswork
07:32<thomas__>it must be possible to figure out the contents of the lvm without booting the old debian
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07:33<valdyn>thomas__: so now you know that its lvm?
07:33<valdyn>thomas__: why are you trying to mount it when you know ist an lvm pv?
07:33<g0ddi3>now it says: Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic Found kernel: /boot/memtest86+.bin
07:34<thomas__>valdyn, its the first time i mess around with that stuff, and i don't know how to access the lvm's content
07:34<valdyn>thomas__: what does "/etc/init.d/lvm2 restart" give you?
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07:35<chihiro>kakvo pravish
07:37<dpkg>Bulgarian users are invited to join #debian-bg @ (Vsichki bylgari sa pokaneni da se vkliuchat v #debian-bg @
07:37<thomas__>valdyn, command not found... i installed lvm2 now. have to eat now, thank you, i think i will manage the rest on my own, using the lvm... tools
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08:56<nolar>How I can make blind install of debian (without monitor, automated or web controlled)?
08:56<weasel>preseeding, at least until you get the network console
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08:57<nolar>Previously it was possible this way
08:57<abrotman>does the ssh install still exist ?
08:57<abrotman>!ssh install
08:57<dpkg>well, ssh install is (obsolete artictle at See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>.
08:57<nolar>ssh install will be good
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09:55<emboss>Quick question ... anyone know how to get a recent ATI binary driver working on lenny?
09:56<emboss>I've tried the usual ln -s of libatiuki but it still doesn't seem to be finding it
09:57<dpkg>To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>, <mach64>. Installing proprietary drivers from (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (
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09:58<emboss>ah, k, need the proprietary driver since it's an evergreen card ...
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10:00<chihiro>тръгваме към вас
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10:01<dpkg>hmm... cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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10:02<dr|z3d>chihiro: English here, please.
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10:26<ramil>всем привет !
10:27<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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10:49<nh2>Heika: use a / not a \
10:49<Heika>thank you, a bit rusty :-)
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12:01<l0pp3>moikka / hi
12:02<l0pp3>im need help because my sounds not work
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12:04<l0pp3>someone here?
12:04*Jamuel is eating
12:04<babilen>!alsa checklist
12:04<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
12:05<babilen>l0pp3: Try that ^^^
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12:05<babilen>l0pp3: What does "cat /proc/asound/cards" give you?
12:05<l0pp3>no, i think my problem is codec
12:06<babilen>well, i have to go - just wanted to point that out
12:06<babilen>good luck
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12:06<babilen>a little more details might help #debian to help you ... what are you trying to do? What is the error? You get the idea
12:06<l0pp3>im use sometimes debian and ubuntu before, and if im install codeg i hear sound
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12:07<Glorf>Hi all, the time of my computer is late from 1 hour
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12:07<l0pp3>i try listen music youtube, first it say "install flaspalaer" i do it, but no sound
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12:08<Glorf>And Orage is well configurated
12:08<l0pp3>im not configure nothing
12:08<l0pp3>but im think im need some sound codec
12:09<Glorf>where did you downloaded Flash player ?
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12:09<l0pp3>hmm maybe its rigth
12:09<Glorf>Tools > Add-on
12:09<Glorf>Check that Flash player is well turned on, and Gnash disabled
12:10<l0pp3>where tools ? in iceweasel ?
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12:11<l0pp3>shock wawe flasplayer is same thing ?
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12:12<l0pp3>no its not
12:12<Glorf>you should have
12:12<Glorf>"Shockwave Flash "
12:12<l0pp3>its rignt ?
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12:13<Glorf>and "shockwave flash player 10.0
12:13<Glorf>Is this one enabled ?
12:13<l0pp3>10.0 r45
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12:13<Glorf>enable it, and disable Gnash Flash player
12:13<l0pp3>no no itst enable
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12:14<Glorf>(it's shockwave flash too, but in the description there is Gnash 0.8.7 GNU SWF Player
12:14<l0pp3>i dont see Gnash 0.8.7 GNU SWF Player
12:15<Glorf>in the add-on
12:15<Glorf>how many Shockwave Flash do you have ?
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12:15<Glorf>is this one enabled ?
12:15<l0pp3>i think i have wrong codec
12:15<l0pp3>yes it is
12:15<Glorf>The sound of your computer is working ?
12:16<l0pp3>maybe mw 32 codec or some must be istall
12:16<l0pp3>this is clean istanlll, and im only install flash and java player
12:16<l0pp3>im need sound codecks i thinks ?
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12:17<dr|z3d>l0pp3: apt-cache search gstreamer
12:17<dr|z3d>And install all that you think apt.
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12:18<l0pp3>hmm i dont understand now
12:18<l0pp3>maybe 100 program, and all install ?
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12:22<l0pp3>and second problem is, im want to use my ntfs hdd, i have alread install ntfs-3g
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12:43<Glorf>just mount it
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13:06<marco>bonjour a tous
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13:08<Florian_Weber_>Hello, Im installing a testing on my computer and have a nvidia-card. I according to dpkg and my own experience this doesn't work well, so I followed the bots instructions. Now the last part is, to edit my xorg.conf, but it doesn't exist and I don't know, what to write there. Does anyone know this and could paste it for me?
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13:09<titan8990>Florian_Weber_: the wiki guide should have had you run nvidia-xconfig
13:09<titan8990>which generates what you need
13:09<titan8990>!nvidia m-a
13:09<dpkg>nvidia m-a is, like, aptitude install build-essential module-assistant nvidia-xconfig && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-src && aptitude install nvidia-glx && nvidia-xconfig. For instructions that should work, see Ask me about <nvidia>
13:09<Torsten_W>nvidia-xconfig write a totaly bloated xorg.conf
13:09<Florian_Weber_>thank you
13:10<Torsten_W> is all you need
13:10<Florian_Weber_>Torsten_W: that's why I didn't do it the last time, now I remember
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13:21<Florian_weber>OK, both Torsten_Ws and the nvidia-xconfigs xorg-conf just caused the problem, that I couldn't start X at all.
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13:22<Florian_weber>reboot, reruning the things, nothing helped
13:22<Torsten_W>Florian_weber, "i couldn't" is not a errormessage
13:22<Florian_weber>just deleting the files
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13:23<Torsten_W>Florian_weber, /var/log/Xorg.o.log will tell you, what's wrong
13:23<Florian_weber>I'll look it up
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13:26<Florian_weber>I don'T really understand it's problems
13:26<Torsten_W>EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
13:27<Torsten_W>Florian_weber, you have nvidia-glx installed?
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13:27<Florian_weber>actually I did
13:27<Torsten_W>i don't think so
13:27<Florian_weber>from sid, if that matters
13:28<Florian_weber>the testing package doesn't work
13:28<Torsten_W>Florian_weber, paste the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia
13:29<Florian_weber>OK, it really doesn''t stand there
13:30<Florian_weber>and now I have an idea why
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13:39<Florian_weber>after all, I got it working: in the bots commands a simple aptitude install nvidia-glx/sid is missing
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13:52<GhostlyDeath>There any way to go back to the good 'ol console instead of this thin lined text unicode console in squeeze?
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14:11<@Ganneff>we dont care
14:12<@Ganneff>(ie: dont tell us)
14:12<e-mode>Hi. I have a problem installing from a netinst CD on my (newly buyed used) DELL latitude D610. The DHCP net configuration fails.
14:13<e-mode>laptop sees eth interface and lets me choose it for the install.
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14:15<e-mode>the modem/router has DHCP and in my other PC a simple "iface eth3 inet dhcp" brings it up. - error message sais something like: your network is not using DHCP, or server is slow or network hardware not working.
14:15<e-mode>I'd say server is slow... but how to fix it. Is there a way to let installer wait more?
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14:32<ramiro_>hey y'all
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14:34<ramiro_>ok, I need some help, apparently I haven't had luck with debian D=
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14:36<amphi>!tell ramiro_ -about ask
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14:38<ramiro_>I've tried installing Debian Lenny, the stable release, I've gotten some errors during install (it couldn't connect to and, I ignored that, then, I tried to use apt-get, but I couldn't, and that's pretty much the problem, besides I can't mount my winxp partition(but I think that's solved simply installing some package whose name I don't remember)
14:39<dpkg>[ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: .
14:39<ramiro_>lol bot
14:39<dpkg>methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>.
14:39<ramiro_>i know.. there is one called ntfs-3g, but that's not the main problem
14:39<amphi>that's what you want, I believe
14:40<ramiro_>and I also couldn't access
14:40<ramiro_>which was just frustrating u.u
14:40<ramiro_>wait.. debian is supposed to already come with ntfs support? weird, cuz I wasn't able to mount anything ntfs
14:41<amphi>you need to install ntfs-3g
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14:41<amphi>I believe the kernel has basic read support for ntfs
14:42<ramiro_>then I have had VERY bad luck with debian.. D=
14:43<ramiro_>well. dunno what it was..
14:43<ramiro_>it just worked awfully for me, and now I'm afraid of debian D=
14:43<amphi>perhaps you faced the wrong way when you sacrificed the goats
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14:44<ramiro_>err, not a native english speaker, so i didn't quite understand that :P
14:45<amphi>ramiro_: a joke, nothing important
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14:45<ramiro_>ok xD
14:45<amphi>ramiro_: there is also #debian-br if that would be more convenient
14:46<ramiro_>why did you think I was brazilian?u.u
14:46<ramiro_>I do understand english.. as long as it's technical..
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14:48<rutski>I just installed fbi(1)
14:48<rutski>but it's telling me that /dev/fb0 doesn't exist
14:48<rutski>(nor does /dev/fb/0)
14:48<rutski>what the heck am I supposed to do here?
14:48<GhostlyDeath>ramiro_: You gotta pop eax, then printf(), then unplug your IDE cables, then push eax
14:48<amphi>ramiro_: oops ;)
14:49<amphi>ramiro_: #debian-es then ;)
14:49<GhostlyDeath>rutski: What about /dev/fd0?
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14:49<ramiro_>x86 asm , please don't.
14:49<rutski>GhostlyDeath: I have /dev/fd/0, but that's not what I want :-p
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14:50<GhostlyDeath>rutski: You have the framebuffer enabled?
14:50<rutski>GhostlyDeath: "enabled"?
14:50<rutski>how? where?
14:50<GhostlyDeath>rutski: Do you have a flashy console?
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14:50<rutski>no :-p
14:51<GhostlyDeath>In order to use framebuffer stuff, you need to use the framebuffer
14:51<rutski>and how do I do that?
14:51<GhostlyDeath>if you use a standard EGA/whatever console, it won't work
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14:51<locklace>rutski: load the right kernel module for your card. radeonfb, intelfb, etc
14:51<rutski>GhostlyDeath: for the third time: how do I enable it!? :-p
14:51<rutski>locklace: ah
14:52<GhostlyDeath>or vesafb
14:52<rutski>locklace: not seeing an "nvidiafb"
14:52<GhostlyDeath>Requires kernel support
14:52<GhostlyDeath>vesavb would be generic vesa
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14:53<rutski>"apt-file search vesafb" only turns up a lot of these "uvesafb.ko" modules
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14:53<G110>looking to set some programs and such to launch on startup of the machine
14:53<GhostlyDeath>G110: /etc/rc.local
14:53<GhostlyDeath>or /etc/rc.#/ ...
14:53<GhostlyDeath>depending on the run level
14:53<rutski>and trying: insmod `locate uvesafb.ko`
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14:53<rutski>only fails with "unkown symbol" errors
14:54<GhostlyDeath>rutski: modprobe uvesafb
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14:54<GhostlyDeath>rutski: at the end
14:54<GhostlyDeath>you use the vga= options
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14:55<rutski>GhostlyDeath: still no /dev/fb0 device
14:55<GhostlyDeath>scroll down to framebuffer things
14:55<GhostlyDeath>rutski: Set it in GRUB/LILO/whatever
14:55<GhostlyDeath>when you start Linux
14:55<rutski>wah, I have to re-start linux for this?
14:55<rutski>I find that odd :-p
14:55<GhostlyDeath>Don't know
14:56<GhostlyDeath>but you probably can enable the framebuffer
14:56<GhostlyDeath>w/o restarting
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14:57<GhostlyDeath>I despise the framebuffer
14:57<rutski>trying to help a friend who can't run X on his wii
14:57<rutski>but where a small directfb setup might work
14:58<rutski>so how do I do the vga=791 _without_ rebooting?
14:59<GhostlyDeath>I would not know
14:59<GhostlyDeath>I never use it
15:00<GhostlyDeath>no wonder everything switched to UUIDs
15:00<GhostlyDeath>The /dev/sdXs are NOT constant
15:00<GhostlyDeath>I've seen /dev/hda become /dev/sda, but now it's /dev/sde
15:01<GhostlyDeath>libata junk
15:03<GhostlyDeath>Now I need to write down the UUID so it can be used in fstab
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15:08<abrotman>rutski: IIRC it's compiled into the kenrel
15:08<rutski>abrotman: yea, I just added the vga= to my menu.lst and rebooted, that did it
15:08<rutski>but I chose a bad resolution, and for some reason fbset(1) does do anything
15:08<rutski>"fbset -g 640 400 640 400 4" just does nothing
15:09<rutski>doesn't even spit out errors, just does nothing
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15:37<ramiro_>why is there a bot called dpkg?lol
15:38<GhostlyDeath>dpkg blame ramiro_
15:38*dpkg blames niekie and ramiro_ for the end of culture as we know it
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15:38<GhostlyDeath>It also has some database in it
15:38<GhostlyDeath>dpkg: framebuffer
15:38<dpkg>rumour has it, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. X is a framebuffer system, as is berlin. If you're looking for the framebuffer console, ask me about <fbcon>, or ask about <blacklist> to negate it. To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options.
15:39<babilen>!tell ramiro_ -about dpkgbot
15:39<ramiro_>omg, that's something i really wanted to know
15:39<ramiro_>the X thing
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15:40<ramiro_>wow, you guys like bots , xD
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16:03<ramiro_>ok, can somebody help me with the packages/volatile/ issue?
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16:05<abrotman>ramiro_: ask your real question
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16:06<ramiro_>I've tried installing Debian Lenny, the stable release, I've gotten some errors during install (it couldn't connect to and, I ignored that, then, I tried to use apt-get, but I couldn't, and that's pretty much the problem, besides I can't mount my winxp partition(but I think that's solved simply installing some package whose name I don't remember)
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16:08<abrotman>ramiro_: does your network work now?
16:09<ramiro_>i can acess it right now, but from debian, i can't..
16:09<abrotman>so you have to fix your network first
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16:10<ramiro_>i really don't think that's it..
16:10<abrotman>does your network work or not?
16:10<ramiro_>if so, what shall i do?
16:10<abrotman>ramiro_: can you ping your router?
16:11<ramiro_>i can acess its panel.. but i'll do it anyway
16:11<abrotman>okay .. so put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
16:11<ramiro_>yeah, it works
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16:13<ramiro_>when I said it works, I meant the ping
16:13<abrotman>okay .. so put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin
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16:13<ramiro_>aaaaah, misunderstood it xD
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16:14<ramiro_>well, i'm not on that debian installation now.. since it didn't work i just installed linux mint, but it happened twice
16:14<ramiro_>i installed it twice
16:14<ramiro_>or three times, don't remember very well,
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16:15<abrotman>ramiro_: well, what do you want us to do then ?
16:15<abrotman>i mean .. mint isn't debian
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16:16<ramiro_>well, tell me what I should do/try next time i give debian another shot
16:16<abrotman>well, you have to have a functional network connection
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16:20<ramiro_>it's not my network..
16:21<ramiro_>if it was..
16:21<ramiro_>windows/linuxmint/somethingelse wouldn't be able to acess it either..
16:21<ramiro_>and it's not a DNS issue neither, i tried using google DNS servers..
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16:29<beer>when I wake op tomorrow I could expect a lot of new software in sid since ries is back online?
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16:35<TCW>beer, it may depend on when you wake up, but essentially most likely yes :)
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16:44<debiasfsd>i just deleted ALL OF /usr
16:44<weasel>you shouldn't have
16:45<debiasfsd>i'm trying to get aptitude reinstalled so i can fix my system
16:45<weasel>start with installing ar, tar, dpkg
16:45<debiasfsd>but i cant unpack debs because dpkg was deleted
16:45<weasel>or at least get busybox-static
16:45<weasel>it should have a dpkg alike
16:45<debiasfsd>didn't know there was a static
16:46<weasel>it had once at least
16:46<weasel>if busybox has all its library dependencies in /lib that's fine too
16:46<ramiro_>wow.. why did you do that?
16:46<weasel>weasel@rubicon:~$ which busybox
16:46<weasel>looks good
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16:46<Xeross>Hey, I'm using sSMTP but it doesn't seem to listen on port 25, does it not support this or ?
16:46<weasel>weasel@rubicon:~$ /bin/busybox dpkg
16:46<weasel>dpkg: applet not found
16:46<dpkg>weasel: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
16:46<weasel>not so good
16:47<debiasfsd>my busybox does not have dpkg either
16:47<weasel>busybox-static has a dpkg
16:47<debiasfsd>but how do i install busybox-static?
16:47<weasel>you get the binary from some place
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16:49<debiasfsd>i'm looking for it
16:49<abrotman>debiasfsd: i thought i said to unpack dpkg on another system and move it over ?
16:50<debiasfsd>abrotman: i cant connect to another system... and i dont have one
16:50<abrotman>debiasfsd: usb drive ?
16:50<abrotman>i asked the same thing over there, and you never answered
16:50<weasel>wget the binary from there?
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16:51<weasel>your busybox should have a wget
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16:51<debiasfsd>usb drive is my hdd
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16:52<Heighnub>hey guys, is there a way to prevent a service that I only use once in a while (eg inetd) from starting at boot without deleting the /etc/init.d/xyz script ?
16:52<debiasfsd>abrotman: ok i have dpkg now
16:53<debiasfsd>it's working
16:53<weasel>Heighnub: delete the /etc/rc2/SxxFoo symlink,
16:53<weasel>Heighnub: or even better yet, rename it to KxxFoo
16:53<Heighnub>weasel: so KxxFoo prevents it from running ?
16:53<weasel>something like that, yes
16:53<Heighnub>ok thanks a lot
16:54<babilen>Heighnub: Just use rcconf, sysv-rc-conf ot update-rc.d
16:54<babilen>Heighnub: If you just want to disable it rcconf is probably the easiest solution
16:55<Heighnub>babilen: thanks
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16:56<Heighnub>ah what a great program
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16:57<babilen>Heighnub: sysv-rc-conf let's you select different runlevels and update-rc.d is the low-level tool .. You can also manipulate the symlinks directly as weasel suggested
16:58<Heighnub>ive just seen there are README's in /etc/init.d/ etc
16:58<Heighnub>there is rather
16:58<Heighnub>strange place imo
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17:23<G110>hey many peoples about?
17:23<dr|z3d>!nuke G110
17:23*dpkg fires a 100 yoctoton thermonuclear weapon at G110
17:24<G110>any chance you could help with making things do things when things happen?
17:24<debiasfsd>so like i was saying i deleted ALL OF '/usr'
17:24<ramiro_> dpkg lol
17:24<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
17:24<debiasfsd>i got apt up and running again as of now
17:24<amphi>G110: could you be more vague? ;)
17:24<ramiro_>why isn't there an apt-ger bot?:/
17:25<G110>amphi: if i tried :p
17:25<debiasfsd>I deleted all of /usr. what do i need to reinstall?
17:25<G110>more specificly making things run on boot
17:25<weasel>everything you deleted
17:25<ramiro_>reinstalling the whole thing would be easier i think
17:25<ramiro_>aol user?xD
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17:26<dr|z3d>G110: Use your session manager.
17:26<debiasfsd>is there a way to have apt search for any missing files and install the packages automatically?
17:26<dr|z3d>G110: Run whatever you want running, then logout.. you should have an offer to save session..
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17:27<G110>im thinking more whent he machine boots up
17:27<dr|z3d>And try not to use <enter> to punctuate. :)
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17:27<dr|z3d>aptitude install bum
17:27<dr|z3d>That'll help.
17:27<dr|z3d>(bootup manager)
17:28<dr|z3d>If you need more than that, it's time to do some googling. Plenty of docs out there.. google for system services startup linux
17:28<babilen>G110: Check the content of /usr/share/doc - that should give you the information about all the packages that were installed on your system
17:29<dr|z3d>babilen: think you mean ramiro_..
17:29<babilen>dr|z3d: debiasfsd actually :)
17:30<dr|z3d>Ah, the noise fluxed me!
17:30<babilen>debiasfsd: Check the content of /usr/share/doc - that should give you the information about all the packages that were installed on your system
17:30<babilen>debiasfsd: You probably find those packages (maybe different versions) in /var/cache/apt/archives/
17:30<babilen>debiasfsd: I guess that apt-get/aptitude is not yet working for you?
17:31<ramiro_>what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
17:32<babilen>!tell ramiro_ about why aptitude
17:32<babilen>!tell ramiro_ about why not aptitude
17:32<ramiro_>wow your lazy
17:32<ramiro_>one of the few times I actually write "your" and someone attacks me D=
17:32<dr|z3d>ramiro_: He's answering your questions efficiently. Perhaps use google instead?
17:33<babilen>ramiro_: No, you are lazy for asking in here instead of searching for the information yourself. And the factoids contain the information you requested ..
17:33<abrotman>ramiro_: short answer: much better problem resolution
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17:33<ramiro_>calm down :/
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17:39<babilen>debiasfsd: I would suggest to get aptitude working first and then reinstall the rest with something like: aptitude reinstall "~i!~M"
17:40<abrotman>he'd probably want ~i
17:40<babilen>eh ... right :)
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17:42<babilen>debiasfsd: You haven't deleted anything in /var, or?
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17:42<maddy>hi.. when I start networking service i get a SIOCADDRT: No such process .. can someone please tell me how do i fix this
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17:48<G110>sudo isnt recognised
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17:50<babilen>G110: What do you mean?
17:50<abrotman>G110: this is not ubuntu
17:51<G110>right im going to slap the guy who told me all the commands where more or less the same
17:51<ramiro_>there's no sudo on debian?
17:51<dpkg>*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
17:51<babilen>G110: The commands are the same, you just ahve to install sudo if you want to use it, or execute the commands as root
17:51<jrabbit>the first user isn't added to sudoers.
17:52<babilen>jrabbit: sudo is not in the default installation
17:52<jrabbit>su is though
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17:53<G110>yeah got su
17:53<babilen>G110: And you would use aptitue in lieu of apt-get ... There certainly are differences between Debian and Ubuntu, but most things you've learned in Ubuntu are still applicable in Debian. If in doubt -> ask
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17:54<G110>babilen: mm that would probably have beent he next question :p
17:55*babilen hides his crystal ball
17:56*dr|z3d suspects babilen's crystal ball is really a cheap plastic chinese knockoff.
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17:56<babilen>hehe :)
17:56<babilen>but it has blinkenlights :-\
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17:57<dr|z3d>Blinking lights, babilen? Watch it doesn't blow up in your face! :P
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17:59<babilen>debiasfsd: progress?
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18:02<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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18:04<ramiro_>dpkg spanish yay
18:04<dpkg>i haven't a clue, ramiro_
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18:07<G110>cp id have thoguht was the same at leaste
18:08<G110>it is
18:08<G110>im trying to copy somthign that doesnt exist ^.^
18:08<babilen>well, don't do that :)
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18:15<debiasfsd>i'm not sure what's happening here.
18:15<debiasfsd>i'm not sure what's happening here.
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18:16<debiasfsd>use the SECOND link
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18:21<babilen>debiasfsd: Well, you need to install more packages manually with dpkg. You can search for packages that contain specific files on
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18:22<debiasfsd>yeah. i've been doing that. and i've installed maybe 15 so far. now i'm stuck
18:22<babilen>debiasfsd: It might be a good idea to continue with all essential packages ... one second
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18:25<debiasfsd>perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
18:26<debiasfsd>perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
18:26<debiasfsd>do i set these in my bashrc?
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18:27<babilen>debiasfsd: You should work on getting perl and update-rc.d working - the latter is in sysv-rc
18:29<babilen>debianart: I think that a complete reinstall is probably a lot less work though
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18:30<debianart>yes i know
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18:46<ramiro_>lol dpkg
18:50<debianart>babilen: so update-rc.d seems to be working now
18:51<babilen>debianart: Why don't you reinstall?
18:51<babilen>Just curious .. You will solve it exentually by installing/reinstalling packages. I just wonder why
18:52<amphi>debianart: you could probably get rid of that by doing 'LC_ALL=C whatever'
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19:01<debianart>did you mean why dont i reinstall the system or just the package?
19:02<babilen>the system
19:02<debianart>prolly have to
19:02<babilen>You would have installed it 5 times now ...
19:03<babilen>And a lot less headache - Just remember to make backups and to think again before you hit enter :)
19:04<babilen>!aptitude clone
19:04<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone>
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19:58<jesperj>I am looking at and all I see is releasenotes. Is there an install guide for armel / EABI ARM ?
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19:59<KcLKcL>Can I ask something?
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20:00<noflash>KcLKcL, if it's debian related
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20:02<KcLKcL>well, now I am going to recompile kernel
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20:02<KcLKcL>I've done "make menuconfig", configure done. Now I should do "make" right?
20:03<KcLKcL>btw do I need root to do "make"?
20:03<abrotman>KcLKcL: you sohuld read the kernel documentation
20:03<abrotman>there's an entire directory full of it
20:05<amphi>!tell KcLKcL -about kernel-package
20:05<KcLKcL>hmm right now I am already did "make" without root but so far so good.
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21:10<BeWilled>Anyone out there willing to help me with some python coding?
21:11<zugzwang>Recommend something like Dropbox but with less entanglements
21:12<abrotman>BeWilled: #python on
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21:15<mercutio22>I can't ping another pc on the network for some reason. can you guys help me troubleshoot?
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21:15<dr|z3d>mercutio22: firewall on the other pc blocking icmp?
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21:15<mercutio22>dr|z3d: I don't think I did set up a firewall
21:16<mercutio22>is there one by default in debian>?
21:16<dr|z3d>So both machines are running Debian?
21:16<mercutio22>dr|z3d: yeah
21:16<dr|z3d>Defaults vary. Debian has iptables.
21:16<abrotman>but no active rules by default
21:17<dr|z3d>mercutio22: pcs on the same subnet?
21:17<mercutio22>dr|z3d: yeah. Its a local wifi network
21:17<dr|z3d>So you can't ping.. any services running on the "remote" machine you can test?
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21:18<dr|z3d>webserver, perhaps?
21:18<mercutio22>dr|z3d: dr|z3d can't think of any. I just installed debian on the machine that can't be pinged. It also can't ping the router!
21:19<abrotman>mercutio22: are you trying to ping by IP or name ?
21:19<dr|z3d>And can you ping the local machine from the remote machine?
21:19<mercutio22>abrotman: ip
21:19<abrotman>mercutio22: sounds like your network is misconfigured
21:19<mercutio22>that must be it
21:19<dr|z3d>I just wonder whether the router's dropping icmp packets.
21:19<mercutio22>dr|z3d: the older machine can ping the router alright
21:19<abrotman>i get the feeling the other machine can ping both
21:19<abrotman>mercutio22: is it DHCP or static ?
21:20<mercutio22>abrotman: the router gives ip addresses according to MAC addresses, but the debian machines should use DHCP.
21:21<mercutio22>I never configured anything in the new machine though
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21:22<dr|z3d>Never configured anything = dhcp.
21:23<mercutio22>dr|z3d: yea
21:23<dr|z3d>Right.. can we check the remote machine can ping?
21:23<dr|z3d>Let's rule out/in that.
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21:25<mercutio22>dr|z3d: from the problematic machine I can ping google, but not
21:26<abrotman>mercutio22: compare the outputs of 'route -n' on both machines
21:26<dr|z3d>mercutio22: Right. Can you check you can ping the local network from the other machine.
21:26<dr|z3d>Or what abrotman suggests..
21:27<mercutio22>abrotman: do you mean traceroute?
21:27<abrotman>no .. i said what i meant
21:28<mercutio22>I don't seem to have that command here. Which package provides that command?
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21:30<mercutio22>oh ok
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21:35<robsonpeixoto>hi. I am having problem with GNOME + NTFS-3g. The automount are not working. Any sugestion ?
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21:37<mercutio22>abrotman; dr|z3d :
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21:37<abrotman>are they both wireless ?
21:38<mercutio22>abrotman: yes
21:38<abrotman>mercutio22: is the eth0 set to auto in /etc/network/interfaces
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21:40<mercutio22>abrotman: no
21:40<abrotman>mercutio22: are you using network manager ?
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21:41<mercutio22>abrotman: yes.
21:41<mercutio22>I am
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21:41<abrotman>mercutio22: comment out line 9
21:43<mercutio22>abrotman: ok, but this files looks the same on the working machine.
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21:43<abrotman>if you ifdown eth0 .. does it help ?
21:44<mercutio22>abrotman: damn! You got it
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21:46<dr|z3d>Ah, so hotplug was screwing things, then, abrotman?
21:47<abrotman>hotplug is long dead
21:47<abrotman>i think he meant the eth0 being active had it messed up
21:47<abrotman>though really, it shouldn't have
21:47<dr|z3d>Yeah, haven't seen that for a long while.
21:47<dr|z3d>Hmm, so eth0 was routing all his wireless packets. Odd.
21:48<dr|z3d>Or at least, some of them.
21:48<mercutio22>yeah, it was not hotplug. I uncommented the line and it still works
21:49<dr|z3d>Is there a method to set nic priority?
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21:49<dr|z3d>Just asking out of curiosity.
21:50<dr|z3d>There is on Windows, though it's buried pretty deeply.
21:51<abrotman>well, if the wired isn't connected, it shuldn't affect routing
21:51<dr|z3d>Indeed not, except it did!
21:53<dr|z3d>So, I'm still curious.. is there a way to prioritize nics? :)
21:54<adb>/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules ?
21:54<gord_>dr|z3d: for nic priroty would a routing metric do? or have i misread you - just glanced back in here
21:55<dr|z3d>gord_: Yeah, that would probably do fine.. :)
21:55<dr|z3d>adb: That might work also.. thanks the pair of you.
21:55<adb>dr|z3d, yw
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22:04<G110>>.> how do you manualy start a network connection?
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22:05<G110>i would look it up
22:05<Cygnus>man ifconfig
22:05<G110>but i think my head may explode
22:07<T_T>drink rum fixes that
22:07<G110>im now entrapped in the manual O.o
22:08<G110>and lolrum
22:08<T_T>i had a headache an hour ago
22:08<T_T>afte 4 shots im golden
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22:09<G110>how do i leave the manual ):
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22:09<G110>ta :)
22:09<G110>urgh it comes back command not found ):
22:09<G110>im hating this now
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22:11<G110>you know what
22:11<G110>feck this
22:12<gord_>need to be root su or sudo
22:12<dr|z3d>You're hating your own level of (in)expertise, G110.. stick with it!
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22:12<G110>tempted to reinstall it from scratch
22:12<G110>dr|z3d: i know ):
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22:13<G110>so ifconfig apparently doesnt exist
22:13<G110>least on here
22:13<G110>except int he manual
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22:13<dr|z3d>so install it.
22:13<dr|z3d>aptitude install ifconfig
22:13<G110>comes back that it cant find it
22:14<dr|z3d>apt-get install ifconfig aptitude ?
22:14<G110>ah nm got it now ta
22:14<G110>tried the second one first
22:14<G110>the first one got it thogu
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22:16<Cygnus>G110: If the man page is installed the program is also, unless you are root you will not be able to locate it in your paht
22:16<Cygnus>try /sbin/ifconfig
22:17<G110>yeah ive gott he ifconfig up
22:17<G110>it recons theres activity on the interface
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22:19<Cygnus>dr|z3d: Still looking for the Segoe font. I have yet to find a free copy of it :(
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22:21<T_T>G110> it recons theres activity on the interface
22:21<T_T>what interface?
22:21<dr|z3d>Cygnus: Official response: it's supplied with Vista/7, and it's also supplied free with the Live Essentials bundle.
22:21<T_T>ra0 ? or
22:22<G110>wired card
22:22<T_T>whats it say for activity
22:22<G110>it says
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22:23<G110>RX BYTES (40.6 KiB)
22:23<G110>which i assumed was received data
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22:24<G110>and yet theres no connection
22:24<T_T>then reboot
22:24<T_T>u run in or from a vm?
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22:25<G110>nah got it here in front of me
22:25<G110>and hmm rebooting then
22:25<T_T>u reboot it?
22:27<G110>desnt seem to have worked
22:27<T_T>yer on wired eh
22:27<T_T>fresh install?
22:28<G110>can i not instruct it to do an autoconfig?
22:28<G110>same as it does on install?
22:31<G110>also dint thnk to check
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22:31<G110>open ssh and shizz should be automatic once installed shouldnt it?
22:31<T_T>one would think yes
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22:33<dr|z3d>G110: It should be at least after boot, it's a system service. Check it's running.
22:33<dr|z3d>ps -e |grep sshd
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22:35<G110>that returns 2251? 00:00:00 sshd
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22:36<dr|z3d>That's your ssh server.
22:36<dr|z3d>So you should be able to connect to it.. have you tried?
22:37<G110>i can manage it with the internal adress]
22:38<dr|z3d>Which is all you'd expect, thus far.
22:38<dr|z3d>If you want to manage it over a public ip, you'll need to portforward from your router.
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22:39<G110>as in the computers internal
22:39<G110>i had it on both lan and over the internet
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22:42<G110>dr|z3d: anyway of telling it to do an auto config for network etc?
22:42<dr|z3d>Tell what to do an autoconfig, sorry?
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22:44<G110>sorry to get debian to autoconfigre/detect the network related settings
22:44<G110>like it does on install?
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23:00<G110>brb gonna toss this serverr in my pond
23:01<abrotman>probably won't work after that
23:03<G110>but the other boxes i have here might get the point and work right
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23:04<G110>or i might just reinstall
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23:13<dima>Hi кто из Росси Help
23:13<abrotman>english in this channel
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23:17<dima>кто поможет как мне в русский канал попасть?
23:17<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
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23:22<dima>how to install the ATi driver ? help
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23:25<Cygnus>!tell dima about ati
23:25<Cygnus>dima: hope your english is better than mine :)
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23:34<dima>lets try it may help :-)
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23:40<Darck-Spain>spain spanish
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23:41<Darck-Spain>no insultes
23:41<Darck-Spain>de donde sois?
23:41<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
23:41<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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23:41<Darck-Spain>ok sorry
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23:43<dima>yes :-)
23:45<dima>I need help c Ati :-(
23:47<Cygnus>dima: lspci -nn|grep VGA
23:48<dima>as a remake. rpm in. deb Ati driver
23:49<TCW>dima, huh?
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23:49<dima>yas hd 4xxx
23:49<TCW>dima, as Cygnus already said, paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep VGA"
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23:50<adb>!tell dima -about ru
23:51<adb>TCW, dima can't speak english
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23:52<TCW>05:34:38 <dima> lets try it may help :-) <- adb, at least that gave me the feeling he/she/it does speak english :)
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23:52<dima>adb no :-(
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23:53<dima>I do not speak English
23:53<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @
23:54<TCW>I really wonder how many users / devs are russians
23:54<TCW>are there any country / geo-ip / CIA stats available? :)
23:54<dima>there sleep irc://
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23:55<TCW>dima, try
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