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00:04<dima># no people there
00:06<dima># aptitude install module-assistant build-essential fakeroot dh-make debconf libstdc++5 --- yes what next????
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00:08<xayon_>dima: what next for what?
00:09<dima>how to install the ATi driver ? help
00:09<xayon_>dima: m-a a-i fglrx
00:10<xayon_>dima: m-a prepare && m-a update && m-a a-i fglrx
00:11<dima>как установить ? v .deb??????????????????????????
00:12<dima>mmm no
00:12<dima>how to install v .deb??
00:12<xayon_>dima: wow, that's not the debian way.
00:13<xayon_>dima: chmod +x *.run && ./*.run # and read the help message
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00:14<xayon_>dima: u can use google translate to translate the output of that command to ur lang
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00:15<TCW>xayon_, I guess using such slang (ur lang) does not help much :)
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00:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 373] by debhelper
00:17<xayon_>TCW: maybe, but I think he got the concept (google translate says it all) ;)
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00:18<TCW>xayon_, we shall see :)
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00:19<dima>Google Translate no no no very bad
00:21<TCW>.oO( english does help a lot in this world )
00:21<xayon_>dima: better than nothing, isn't it?
00:21<xayon_>TCW: Agree
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00:24<TCW>funny website... offering translating services but lacking a link to an english version or at least an english description...
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00:25<TCW>Oh... found it! One has to click the russian country banner to get a list of available languages :)
00:27<TCW>dima, я предполагаю, что это было бы лучше, если Вы ждете, пока некоторые российские люди не бодрствуют и попробовали еще раз тогда в российских определенных каналах, упомянутых прежде.
00:28<TCW>I wonder if that works :)
00:28<dr|z3d>TCQ: If you must, can you do that via PM? :)
00:28<dr|z3d>It's of zero use to anyone else ;)
00:29<dima>yes TCW!!!!!!!! :-)
00:29<TCW>dr|z3d, that was the only message I intended to say in (somewhat) russian, I _hate_ PMs if my counterpart is not a amazingly cute girl ;)
00:30<dr|z3d>TCW: For the purposes of expressing yourself in Russian, assume dima is, OK? ;)
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00:31<xayon_>TCW: :P
00:31<TCW>dr|z3d, *lol*
00:32<TCW>dr|z3d, that does not work :)
00:32<dr|z3d>dima: Smarten up. Put some makeup on!
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00:34<dima>I the man
00:34<dpkg>"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
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00:36<dima>All while *TIRED*
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00:39<XayOn_Home>oh god, terry pratchett quotes...
00:39<XayOn_Home>!!!!!!! I want to see it again!
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00:39<dpkg>[!!!!!] "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade
00:40<XayOn_Home>Oh, god... I came
00:42<dima>This coincidence :-)))
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00:42<XayOn_Home>dima: u came too?
00:43<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See
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00:56<nikola>help about
00:57<Darck-Spain>la pagina
00:57<Darck-Spain>de debian
00:57<Darck-Spain>en español
00:57<Cygnus>Darck-Spain: una horación por línea se te entiende mejor
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00:58<Darck-Spain>diganem el canal de debian en español
00:58<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
00:58<dr|z3d>Darck-Spain: You've been told once.. should be enough. English or elsewhere, please.
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01:04<Cygnus>Darck-Spain: Next time use the magick words "Please" and "Thank you"
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01:17<ryanc>/j #tor
01:17*ryanc fail
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01:34<TCW>what was teh command again to repack an installed package? I want to test an upgrade but the currently installed (and working) version does not exist anymore... so I want to repack that package right from the disk
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01:35<TCW>Ahh... probably dpkg-repack
01:38<blankstare>greetings, i'm a bit of a newbie and getting the following sort of vague error when attempting to mount a ntfs drive: "invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume". Any suggestions as to how to diagnose this?
01:38<TCW>blankstare, how exactly did you try to mount that drive?
01:38<dr|z3d>blankstare: you might want to give ntfs-config a spin..
01:39<dr|z3d>Often bypasses these sort of issues..
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01:39<blankstare>TOW: I went to Places->Computer, rt-clicked on the volume and chose 'Mount Volume'
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01:40<blankstare>dr|z3d: i'll take a look. thanks!
01:40<TCW>blankstare, is it an external drive or an internal?
01:41<blankstare>TOW: external
01:41<TCW>blankstare, and it is T C W
01:41<blankstare>TCW: sorry
01:41<TCW>blankstare, are you in the group plugdev?
01:42<blankstare>TCW: not sure
01:42<TCW>blankstare, then check that
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01:43<TCW>blankstare, you know how to check that?
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01:44<blankstare>TCW: System->Admin->Users and Groups?
01:45<TCW>blankstare, I'd say open a shell window and type "id" without "" but suit yourself
01:45<blankstare>TCW: ah thanks - there is a '46(plugdev)'
01:46<TCW>blankstare, and you ARE in that group?
01:46<TCW>as... id lists it?
01:46<blankstare>TCW: yup
01:47<TCW>blankstare, in a shell window, type "dmesg" "without the "") paste the last 10 lines to
01:47<TCW>blankstare, in a shell window, type "dmesg" (without the "") paste the last 10 lines to
01:47<blankstare>TCW: sure thing
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01:50<TCW>blankstare, in a shell window, type "fdisk -l" and paste
01:50<blankstare>TCW: k
01:51<blankstare>TCW: i don't think i have that app
01:51<blankstare>TCW: command not found
01:51<TCW>blankstare, oh sorry... as root
01:51<TCW>blankstare, so get root or use sudo (if configured)
01:51<blankstare>TCW: gotcha
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01:53<TCW>blankstare, is it an usb drive?
01:53<blankstare>TCW: yup
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01:54<TCW>blankstare, what debian version is that?
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01:54<blankstare>TCW: 5.0
01:55<TCW>blankstare, in a shell window, type "mount" and paste
01:56<amphi>'morgen TCW ;)
01:57<TCW>blankstare, unplug the usb drive, and replug it
01:57<TCW>amphi, a wonderful good morning to you too Mr. amphi :)
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01:58<blankstare>TCW: tried it, got the same error
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02:00<TCW>blankstare, run gnome-volume-manager, check if external devices should be mounted automatically or not
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02:02<blankstare>TCW: command not found
02:03<blankstare>TCW: running as root
02:03<TCW>blankstare, do stuff as user unless stated otherwise
02:03<TCW>how is that gnome voluem thing called in lanny again?
02:03<TCW>volume even
02:03<TCW>lenny even
02:04<blankstare>TCW: np - as user same result
02:04<dr|z3d>judd: versions gnome-volume-manager
02:04<judd>gnome-volume-manager -- etch: 1.5.15-1+b1; lenny: 2.22.1-1; sid: 2.24.1-4; squeeze: 2.24.1-4
02:04<dr|z3d>Yup, confirmed.
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02:04<TCW>oh, sid has it too? I guess I need to check something then :)
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02:07<TCW>weird... my volume-manager has forgotten how to manage disks :)
02:08<TCW>blankstare, anyhow, try gnome-volume-properties
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02:09<blankstare>TCW: 1st three options are checked - *mount/browse removable drives when hot-plugged and inserted*
02:10<TCW>blankstare, you can see if ntfs-config does help, but I see no reason right now why it does not work at least in read-only mode
02:11<blankstare>TCW: ok, i guess i'll have to apt-get that app
02:12<blankstare>TCW: thanks for all your help
02:12<TCW>blankstare, I guess so too
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02:17<skynorton>for some reason my windows 7 partition link in grub went missing.
02:17<skynorton>how can i re add it to the bootloader
02:18<blankstare>TCW: ntfs-3g did the trick
02:18<dr|z3d>Thought it might!
02:19<dr|z3d>skynorton: Restore your mbr first, then reinstall grub. Plenty of docs online to walk you through that.
02:19<blankstare>thanks again guys
02:19<TCW>dr|z3d, me too, but it SHOULD not matter as read-only should work nevertheless
02:19<TCW>skynorton, grub 1 or 2?
02:19<dr|z3d>TCW: Another imponderable!
02:19<skynorton>how can i check which version of grub im using?
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02:20<TCW>dr|z3d, another... what? Please, use words I understand without a dictionary! :p
02:20<dr|z3d>TCW: Vocab bulding.. good for your brain 8)
02:20<TCW>skynorton, dpkg -l|grep grub and paste to
02:20<TCW>dr|z3d, not at that time of day! :p
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02:22*dr|z3d shrugs. "oh well, live in ignorance, then :P"
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02:23<TCW>skynorton, looks like grub1 is used (even if a portion of grub2 is installed, but that does not hurt)
02:23*dr|z3d winks.
02:23<dr|z3d>To ponder is to think, TCW.. so an imponderable is something that one can't satisfactorily resolve through thinking. There. :)
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02:23<amphi>skynorton: you seem to have a little of both ;)
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02:24<skynorton>i rebooted, and in grub, the "windows 7" selection was gone
02:24<amphi>what a relief ;)
02:24<TCW>amphi, happens quite often... no idea why, but it's a fact :)
02:24<skynorton>then i look in the menu file, and its missing from there too, how can i explore my drive to find out whether its hd(0,1) or hd(1,0) or something
02:24<TCW>skynorton, you are SURE you did nothing to grubs config?
02:24<skynorton>never did anything to grubs configuration.
02:25<TCW>thats weird, very
02:25<TCW>skynorton, and you are sure you run debian? :)
02:25<amphi>TCW: grub is becoming self-aware?
02:25<skynorton>fully sentient bootloaders...
02:25<dr|z3d>More likely 7 is doing a hatchet job..
02:26<TCW>skynorton, another possible explanation could be a faulty filesystem... I don't know if you like that more
02:26<amphi>on itself? that's mighty obliging
02:26<dr|z3d>Well, it done grub up, too ;)
02:27<TCW>skynorton, so before tring to fix your win 7, I strongly suggest checking the root and boot filesystem
02:27<dr|z3d>Case of Microsoft breaking toys it doesn't own, and screwing itself in the process, perhaps? ;)
02:27<amphi>oh, I thought grub was ok, just the windows entry was gone
02:27<TCW>amphi, agreed
02:27<skynorton>^ you are right
02:27<skynorton>the entry is missing, it just got reverted to past settings apparently.
02:27<TCW>skynorton, you know how to check filesystems?
02:28<skynorton>not exactly.
02:28<amphi>skynorton: grub counts from zero, so the first partition on the first hd is hd(0,0)
02:28<TCW>skynorton, why don't you ask then?
02:28<TCW>amphi, hold back until he did check the filesystems! :p
02:28<skynorton>how would i check the file systems?
02:29<skynorton>i seem to remember it being hd(0.1)
02:29<TCW>amphi, sehr schoen :)
02:29<TCW>skynorton, as root: touch /forcefsck and if /boot is a seperate fs, touch /boot/forcefsck too
02:29<amphi>skynorton: that would be the second partition of the first disk - can windows endure such a location?
02:30<TCW>amphi, yes it can... but we will investigate that LATER! :p
02:30<skynorton>then it is 0,1
02:30<skynorton>because i only have 2 partitions, and one disk.
02:31<skynorton>the entry would be title - windows 7 and root (hd0,1) i guess?
02:31<amphi>skynorton: obey TCW
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02:32<skynorton>:3 oh you guize.
02:32<TCW>skynorton, did the touch thingy?
02:32<TCW>skynorton, then reboot, straight to linux, fses should be checked during the next booting
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02:33<TCW>pah... at least he could have said "bye"... tsk
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02:36<dr|z3d>Thanks would have been even nicer.. :)
02:38<TCW>dr|z3d, maybe... but I think that after fixing his issue definitely :)
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02:38<TCW>skynorton, fs errors found?
02:38<dr|z3d>TCW: we'll see :)
02:38<skynorton>nothing wrong.
02:38<skynorton>booted properly ;D
02:39<TCW>skynorton, but someone or something HAS to be the reason why the windows entry did vanish
02:39<skynorton>i have been installing some new kernels for a few tests.
02:39<TCW>skynorton, in other words... I would not be laughing until I know the reason
02:40<TCW>skynorton, some new kernels?!
02:40<skynorton>different kernels...
02:40<skynorton>other versions lol
02:40<TCW>skynorton, what versions? From where?
02:40<amphi>skynorton: did you add the grub entry for windows™?
02:41<skynorton>not yet.
02:41<TCW>judd, versions linux-image-2.6
02:41<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6' was found.
02:41<amphi>skynorton: no, before
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02:41<skynorton>what would i put in place of kernel and initrd for windows?
02:41<TCW>skynorton, anyhow... regarding the windows entry... run fdisk -l as root and paste the output
02:41<amphi>, versions linux-image-2.6-386
02:41<judd>Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6-386' was found.
02:42<amphi>chainloader +1 used to be the incantation if I recall correctly
02:42<amphi>I don't know if that still works
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02:43<skynorton>i think thats what i had
02:43<TCW>skynorton, so two ntfs drives?
02:43<amphi>and no swap...
02:43<amphi>yes ;)
02:44<TCW>skynorton, no?
02:44<skynorton>only one drive...
02:44<amphi>one small one with the 'bootable' flag set, and another larger one
02:44<skynorton>one drive, two partitions, one debian, the other windows.
02:45<TCW>skynorton, you see the fdisk -l output?
02:45<skynorton>i have no idea what is with that.
02:45<amphi>perhaps windows makes its own 'secret' /boot ;)
02:45<skynorton>thats probably what sda1 is
02:45<skynorton>sda3 is probably windows 7
02:46<TCW>skynorton, sda1 is the linux root filesystem
02:46<skynorton>then what is sda2 O.o?
02:46<TCW>skynorton, it is YOUR box, how should we know? :)
02:46<TCW>skynorton, mount it, have a look
02:47<TCW>as root: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt;ls -l /mnt/
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02:47<skynorton>how :[
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02:47<TCW>08:47:16 <TCW> as root: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt;ls -l /mnt/ <- skynorton
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02:49<skynorton>sda3 is windows.
02:49<amphi>heh, looks like windows's /boot
02:50<TCW>skynorton, sda2 looks weird... but I have never looked at the partition layout of windows 7 before... maybe that's how it is with windows 7...
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02:50<skynorton>sda3 ^
02:51<TCW>skynorton, paste the contents of sda2/boot/
02:52<TCW>I miss boot.ini
02:52<TCW>and ntoskrnl.exe
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02:52<skynorton>how can i explore /sda2/boot?
02:53<skynorton>mount /dev/sda2/boot?
02:53<TCW>mount /dev/sda2 /mnt;ls -l /mnt/boot/
02:53<TCW>skynorton, btw. did you unmount sda2 from /mnt before you mounted sda3 there?
02:54<TCW>skynorton, geez!
02:54<amphi>that's ok
02:54<amphi>just umount /dev/sda3 and ls /mnt/boot ;)
02:54<TCW>amphi, it is not _tragic_ but it's....
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02:55<TCW>amphi, to say the least :)
02:55<skynorton>dont hate me :"(
02:55<TCW>skynorton, sorry, too late :p
02:56<TCW>skynorton, ls -l /mnt/boot
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02:57<amphi>heh, it has bugger all translated into many languages
02:58<skynorton>i have no idea what that is.
02:59<amphi>skynorton: what does 'file /mnt/boot/BCD.LOG' say?
02:59<TCW> <- anyhow, add that to /boot/grub/menu.lst and reboot, see if windows boots with that entry and report back
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03:00<skynorton>thank you
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03:00<TCW>root (hd0,1) <- should be sda2, and I think windows 7 does things differently and has a seperate "/boot" partition so I guess that should be used for grub then
03:00<TCW>dr|z3d, did you see?! :)
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03:01*dr|z3d wasn't paying attention, so checks scrollback.
03:01<amphi>heh, it seems my guess was right
03:02<dr|z3d>TCW: Neat!
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03:11<Glorf>Hi all, from now 2 days my computer is late from 1 hour, because of the summer time
03:13<ae86-drifter>in linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-686, what does bpo stand for?
03:15<TCW>Glorf, dualboot with windows? What timezone do you live in? What time is set in the BIOS?
03:15<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list>
03:15<Glorf>dualboot with windows (don't boot on this from the summer timer), livin in Paris, and i don't now for my BIOS
03:16<TCW>Glorf, hwclock
03:16<Glorf>dim. 04 avril 2010 08:16:35 CEST -0.746020 seconds
03:16<TCW>Glorf, date
03:17<Glorf>dimanche 4 avril 2010, 08:17:12 (UTC+0200)
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03:17<TCW>Glorf, and what time is it in france right now?
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03:18<TCW>Glorf, then your time in the bios and so in your operating system as well is wrong
03:18<TCW>Glorf, why?
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03:21<amphi>he should have his hwclock set to utc
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03:26<TCW>"Read the Hardware Clock and print the time on Standard Output. The time shown is always in local time, even if you keep your Hardware Clock in Coordinated Universal Time." <- how silly is that?
03:26<TCW>from the manpage of hwclock
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03:26<Glorf>I'm back
03:26<Glorf>it was the BIOS time
03:27<TCW>Glorf, no need to reboot for setting the time
03:27<Glorf>if i want to modify bios setting, i have to reboot, no ?
03:27<TCW>not even windows needs to be rebooted when one changes the time
03:27<TCW>Glorf, no
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03:27<Glorf>Where can i modify it ?
03:27<TCW>Glorf, man hwclock
03:28<TCW>Glorf, debian does it automatically on shutdown
03:28<babilen>you do
03:28<cahoot>!set the clock
03:28<Glorf>what do he does automatically on shutdown ?
03:29<amphi>Glorf: set the cmos clock from the system clock
03:29<TCW>Glorf, set the hardware clock according to the system clock (and the timezone / utc options)
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03:39<Supaplex-macbook>TCW: don't leave us! we are all anticipating your return very soon.
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04:14<amitz>what's the preferred inet.d in squeeze? openbsdinet? xinet?
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05:15<zeropiel>I have a problem with repeating keys
05:15<zeropiel>the problem seems to appear at random
05:16<zeropiel>It started after I moved my PC to a different room
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05:17<zeropiel>i'm running Debian 2.6.26-19lenny2
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05:37<ae86-drifter>hi there, i just upgraded my kernel from v2.6.26 to v 2.6.33 and whenever i choose the new kernel i get an error cryptsetup device not found /dev/hda2 but the old kernel boots up fine
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05:40<babilen>How did you compile that kernel?
05:40<ae86-drifter>i just used apt-get install and wrote the name of the kernel and it pretty much guides me through it
05:41<Supaplex>sid eh
05:42<Supaplex>anything in bts?
05:42<ae86-drifter>Supaplex, well i dont think its a bug, i thought maybe something i did wrong perhaps
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05:44<manuelibm>Salve cerco delle info per quanto riguarda l'installazione del bash su sistema debian lenny
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05:45<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on
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05:47<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
05:48<nostmith>ae86-drifter, pastebin the content of /etc/crypttab and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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05:48<ae86-drifter>hda2_crypt /dev/hda2 none luks
05:49<ae86-drifter>/etc/initramfs-tools/modules is blank.. well all commented out...
05:50<ae86-drifter>nostmith, /etc/crypttab contains: hda2_crypt /dev/hda2 none luks and /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is blank.
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05:52<nostmith>ae86-drifter, which kind of encryption you use?
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05:53<ae86-drifter>nostmith, i dont know what type of encyption, but i know that the whole drive is encrypted
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05:54<ae86-drifter>i just need to somehow use the config for the old kernel in the new one
05:54<ae86-drifter>i think...
05:55<ae86-drifter>magna ralliart
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05:55<nostmith>ae86-drifter, would be easy to determine by checking the modules loaded by the old kernel. pastebin the output of lsmod
05:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
05:56<ae86-drifter>nostmith, i dodnt pastebin the last one because its only 1 line
05:56<nostmith>that's odd...
05:57<nostmith>erm, i get it.
05:58<ae86-drifter>wow 16 modules get loaded for my sound, which doesnt even work
06:00<ae86-drifter>maybe it is using sha256 encrytion as the file says, although i dont know how that will help me.. :S
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06:00<nostmith>ae86-drifter, i see you have sha256_generic loaded so i suppose you have aes-cbc-essiv:sha256
06:01<ae86-drifter>nostmith, do you know how that will help me boot my pc with the new kernel?
06:03<nostmith>the modules needed, dm_mod, aes_i686 and sha256 seem to be loaded by the old kernel even if they are not added to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
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06:10<nostmith>ae86-drifter, consider editing /etc/initramfs-tools/modules like here and then run update-initramfs -k `uname -r` -u -v
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06:11<nostmith>i suppose you're using i386. also -v is not mandatory, but is usefull if the update-initramfs might freeze at some point.
06:12<sualk>ae86-drifter: newer kernels use libata and thus the devicename have probably changed. So your hda might now be sda. Use UUIDs in the config files
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06:13<ae86-drifter>ohh ok
06:13<nostmith>sualk, in 2.6.32 was still hda for PATA IDE, not sure if is related to this...
06:14<ae86-drifter>i upgraded to .33
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06:16<nostmith>ae86-drifter, if adding the modules will not work, then also try to use sda instead of hda in /etc/crypttab. .33 seems to be different than .32 and am not sure if the hda/sda difference will solve it anyway, but it is worth a try
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06:18<ae86-drifter>nostmith, so hda2_crypt /dev/hda2 none luks would be changed to hda2_crypt /dev/sda2 none luks? or sda2_crypt /dev/sda2 none luks
06:19<nostmith>i think the first one should work. if you will be using the second one some other changes might be needed atleast to /etc/fstab
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06:37<slush>I've upgraded a box from lenny to squeeze, but now the gnome session seems not to load completely, i.e. gnome-panel isn't loaded automaticly, nor is nautilus .. The box doesnt have a monitor connected to it, we share the desktop by vnc and/or synergy. It's rebooted, has newest kernel&udev, has been full-upgraded etc.
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06:43<dr|z3d>slush: VNCing in?
06:44<dr|z3d>There you have it.. you'll need to edit your vnc xession startup script and manually load the de you want.
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06:45<dr|z3d>slush: ~/.vnc has what you need.
06:45<slush>ah, I'll have a look
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06:46<slush>no such file or directory ;)
06:46<dr|z3d>tightvnc or x11?
06:46<dr|z3d>I'm assuming tight..
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06:48<slush>we had it working with vino, gnome's vnc server
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06:51<slush>I tried to keep the install as simple as possible, cause the other users are a bit noobish :)
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06:53<dr|z3d>Ok.. vino should be somewhat similar. ~/.vino exist for you?
06:54<dr|z3d>Otherwise, aptitude install tightvncserver gets you tightvnc, and tightvncserver (as user, no root needed) launches it.
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07:09<slush>trying tightvnc (had to answer an urgent mail first)
07:09<dr|z3d>slush: ~/.vnc I think you'll see a file called xstartup..
07:10<dr|z3d>I've found called the de directly doesn't work too well; you need to call the session manager, and then maybe your panel. Play about, anyways.
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07:18<slush>dr|z3d: hmm, ok.. but shouldnt gnome-panel etc be started either way?
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07:19<dr|z3d>slush: Yeah, should be.. try it.. I had to load Xfce's manually; haven't dicked with gnome.. ymmv :)
07:20<dr|z3d>Just try with gnome-session first and see what's missing, if anything..
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08:10<babilen>!es-social elena70
08:10<dpkg>elena70: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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08:11<babilen>elena70: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
08:12<babilen>elena70: Just type that command - it will get you to the "#debian-es-cachondeo" channel in which you find other spanish people to chat with
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08:16<amitz>will debian squeeze still support openbsd-inet or it will be deprecated?
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08:18<abrotman>amitz: i'd imagine so, but why would you think it wouldn't?
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08:19<amitz>abrotman: I'm setting debian squeeze. And there is no clear statement googleable about better staying with openbsd or moving on to other. xinetd I assume?
08:20<abrotman>amitz: you could look at the squeeze release goals, but i don't recall seeing anything about xinetd
08:21<german>why do i have to restart with the printer ON to be recognized and start printing what is in the spool?
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08:22<german>do i need some usb daemon?ç
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08:23<german>lacome: Hable ingles aqui, sino creo que hay un #debian-es o algo asi
08:23<german>se la-come jaja
08:23<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
08:24<german>sorry, lancome
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08:24<amitz>abrotman: I assume inetd is something significant enought to be mention in release goal then.and it seems no mentioning about inetd. btw, I remember now ubuntu recommends xinetd hence my hesitation. I thought debian will follow that path.
08:25<abrotman>amitz: oddly enough .. Debian is NOT Ubuntu .. nor do they do everything the same
08:26<amitz>abrotman: I know, noted. :-)
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08:27<german>abrotman: what is missed? only when i start with the printer ON, it prints. It doesn`t "detect" when i turn it on.
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08:28<abrotman>german: heck if i know, i don't own a printer anymore .. which kernel are you using? (uname -r)
08:29<abrotman>hotplugging a usb printer should work
08:29<german>abrotman: i have send something to print and nothing happends, but if i strat again with the printer ON, it prints everything that was in the spool
08:30<abrotman>as i said, i do not own a printer .. i've never seen this before
08:31<german>abrotman: yes! i have disconect and reconect the cable, and it has printed!
08:31<german>what the hek is this? GGRRR
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08:35<german>Resume-Printer: Unauthorized, may be this
08:37<abrotman>german: are you in the plugdev group ?
08:43<german>yes, i am
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08:49<diabliyo>ay alguien o preferis no ablar como las putas
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08:51<german>diabliyo: Hola, Hay, Hablar son con "H" ignorante!
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08:51<german>is gone
08:51<abrotman>german: please direct them to #debian-es, do not speak spanish to them here
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08:52<german>ok abrotman, he is such an ignorant!
08:52<abrotman>you're not helping
08:54<abrotman>just please ask them to go to #debian-es
08:54<dr|z3d>Some people are not candidates for redirection, abrotman :)
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08:55<dr|z3d>Our last fellow being a case in point.
08:55<abrotman>there's no test for using IRC
08:55<dr|z3d>Apparently he's not so keen talking to whores, which seems to mean us.. :)
08:56<dr|z3d>One can often measure intent by the nature of one's utterances.
08:57<german>dr|z3d: he has said: "is there any body out thete, or you don`t wanna talk, like the whores"
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08:58<dr|z3d>german: Quite. Not an auspicious attitude to have when one is seeking support :)
08:58<german>it doesn`t have sense, even in spanish
08:58<abrotman>move along ..
09:01<german>that`s a rock band?
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09:03<german>oh! "move along" means something like "let`s continue"
09:03<mbruins>hi is there a tool what i can use to delete duplicated images?
09:03<dr|z3d>It means, drop the subject, it's dead. :)
09:03<german>mbruins: a script
09:04<abrotman>mbruins: fdupes
09:04<german>dr|z3d: yes, that`s exact
09:04<mbruins>abrotman: thanks
09:05<german>i thought it was to cut the "bushes"
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09:06<dr|z3d>german: Try and keep the chatter to a minimum, and you'll be fine here!
09:06<dr|z3d>german: for all your chatter needs, #debian-offtopic
09:07<german>haha LAWN!
09:07*dr|z3d fears he's fighting the tide a la King Canute.
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09:07<german>ok, i`ll go away
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09:13<nostmith>does the 2.6.33 kernel use sda instead of hda for PATA IDE?
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09:31<slush>dr|z3d: `gconf-schemas --register gnome-session.schemas` did the trick
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09:33<dr|z3d>slush: Nicely done!
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09:36<slush>yay for google ;)
09:36<MMX2>Hi, I installed lenny on usb-storage device (sda at the time), /boot has been placed on CompactFlash card (hda); Everything worked fine untill I pluged in an additinal usb-storage device. Right now lenny won't boot because it is trying to mount partitions from a wrong drive. Would udev help me to solve this issue, and where would i find a guide on how to setup grub in order to tell the kernel where to find the other partitions.
09:37<weasel>you might want to change your kernel command line and your fstab to mount by UUID
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09:38<h2o>hi everyone
09:38<h2o>i need some help please.
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09:39<h2o>after i installed debian lenny from the cd, all went well, but when debian os started it wouldnt recognize my video card :S and my monitor was constantly shutting down because off it. :S
09:39<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:40<etth>h2o: bad luck. file a bug report. iterate over distros (ubuntu?).
09:41<h2o>im using ubuntu whit no problems yes
09:41<h2o>iterate over distros what does that mean etth?
09:41<jackyf>h2o: try installing debian squeeze snapshot then
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09:42<h2o>what is that ?
09:42<h2o>maybe if i installed the nvidia drivers, the problem would be fix no ?
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09:43<MMX2>weasel : okay i'll try that
09:44<etth>h2o: that means, try each distro in turn until one lets you do what you wanted to do. curious, what is it that ubuntu didn't let you do?
09:44<dr|z3d>h2o: You might also want to consider the nouveau driver.. depends what you're doing with your rig.
09:44<babilen>h2o: I guess that you can log into the console?
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09:45<h2o>im installing debian on my own pc, not on a server
09:46<h2o>i need to be able to install the driver, nvidia, so that, my monitor, would stop the input signal error.
09:46<babilen>h2o: Well, I understood that Xorg is not working for you and I ask you if you can log into a console
09:46<h2o>i can log into debian and the console yes
09:46<h2o>i can, i would be turning on and off the monitor, not very pleasent but i can
09:47<h2o>sorry im portuguese, somethimes, i n eed a little more time to fully understand you guys, sorry
09:47<babilen>Well, that is a start. Could you please install pastebinit and run "lspci -nn|pastebinit -b"
09:47<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
09:47<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
09:47<h2o>babilen, to do that, i would need to running debian right ?
09:47<babilen>h2o: Just to let you know - there are two portuguese channels, if you would rather get support in portuguese
09:47<babilen>h2o: correct
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09:48<babilen>h2o: Or a live CD :)
09:48<h2o>im on ubuntu right know...
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09:48<babilen>h2o: That is fine
09:48<h2o>do you want me to do it on ubuntu ?
09:48<babilen>h2o: Could you also "pastebinit -b /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
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09:48<babilen>h2o: Yes please do it on Ubuntu - the hardware does not change :)
09:48<babilen>Ubuntu works fine?
09:49<babilen>ok, we will get it working with Debian then as well
09:49<abrotman>lspci | grep VGA ?
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09:49<babilen>abrotman: I'd rather have everything - next thing might be wireless ;)
09:50<abrotman>the Xorg.0.log helps with wireless ?
09:50<babilen>no it does not ..
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09:51<babilen>h2o: I never used Nvidia though, so I'm really no expert there :-\
09:53<h2o>no problem, neither am i
09:53<dpkg>To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (
09:54<babilen>h2o: So you should boot into Debian and install the nvidia drivers as outlined on the wiki.
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09:55<babilen>exactly. You are using stable, aren't you?
09:56<h2o>i have a quadcore pentium
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09:57<babilen>!tell h2o -about nvidia pre-built
09:58<h2o>so, i just need to open the terminal and writte that down ?
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09:58<babilen>h2o: I guess that is the easiest solution. You would have to to enable non-free sources as well (/msg dpkg non-free) and might want to add contrib (/msg dpkg contrib) while you are at it too
09:59<babilen>h2o: Read the wiki page first, but that are the commands to install the pre-built nvidia drivers
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09:59<h2o>thank you babilen very much
10:00<babilen>h2o: You are using amd64 so you will also need to install the nvidia-glx-ia32 package
10:00<h2o>and i was wondering
10:00<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
10:00<h2o>what is the difference between installing from the cd and the dvd
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10:01<babilen>h2o: No real difference - The DVD just contains more packages (possibly outdated) so you don't need to download them from the internet
10:02<h2o>oh ok
10:02<babilen>they are meant for people who don't have a working internet connection but still want to be able to install software
10:02<h2o>oh, i see
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10:12<MMX2>Why is the lenny installer not using UUID's instaid of block device links to populate fstab and the kernel opts? As far as I remember ubuntu dose. (I could be wrong though)
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10:32<G110>anyone here use phpmyadmin?
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10:33*dr|z3d prefers MySQLcc.
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10:41<slush>is that your real question, G110 ?
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11:22<bremner_>G110: chances are good
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11:30<amz>there is some software datalogger for gpsd?
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11:33<xiwang>hello everyone , i am curious about the underline text in manpage. is that a link ? how can i open it?
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11:34<titan8990>xiwang: they live in /usr/share/man/. man 1 man for a description of the different sections. man 7 man for details of the format of how they are written
11:34<titan8990>xiwang: also, they are displayed using /usr/bin/pager, which can be changed
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11:38<MMX2>weasel : thanks again, providing the UUID's works like a charm
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11:41<titan8990>xiwang: don't pm
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11:47<titan8990>xiwang: talk the main channel, stop sending me PMs or I will just ignore you
11:47<locklace>!lart xiwang
11:47*dpkg frags xiwang with his BFG9000
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11:49<debd>Is there anyone familiar with the practical application of one-time-pads? I am currently working on an algorithm for cracking and need some info on how the encryption is typically applied. especially on punctuation marks and white spaces etc
11:49<etth>xiwang: printf 'this is not a _\bh_\by_\bp_\be_\br_\bl_\bi_\bn_\bk\n' | less
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11:54<xiwang>thanks i got it.
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12:01<rudi_s_>debd: You can't, if they key is really random and not reused, one-time-pads are secure. Check the wikipedia page.
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12:04<titan8990>rudi_s_: I think you meant to say that in #debian-mentors
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12:05<rudi_s_>titan8990: I'm not sure what you mean, I just saw his message here and replied.
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12:05<titan8990>rudi_s_: ah, I didn't even see he had posted it here... they are discussing it in the other channel
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12:05<rudi_s_>titan8990: Ah, okay. Thanks. I will have a look ;-)
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12:07<toomanyhobbies>Is there a package that would let my system email me when my dynamic ip address changes?(So I can still SSH into it?)
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12:08<titan8990>toomanyhobbies: much easier to use a dynamic dns service
12:08<toomanyhobbies>I cannot control what isp I am with, the only thing in my control is my computer.
12:09<titan8990>toomanyhobbies: check out and the dyndns package
12:09<toomanyhobbies>thanks, I'll look at that now.
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12:16<debd>rudi_s_: you are right. It is secure when applied only once. I want to implement an algorithm for cracking used when a pad is used multiple times
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12:17<rudi_s_>debd: I see. I'm no crypto expert so can't help you there, sorry.
12:17<debd>got an idea where to find people being familiar with the cipher?
12:17<rudi_s_>No idea.
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12:21<toomanyhobbies>titan8990: I looked at the dyndns stuff. Looks good, but not quite what I want. If it does not yet exist, would it be possible for me to write a script that emails me when my externat ip changes?
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12:22<toomanyhobbies>eg: what I see when I go to
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12:24<toomanyhobbies>Anybody know of a way to do that? it would be more convenient it I didn't have the added complexity from dyndns. I just want to be notified when my ip changes by my own server.
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12:24<babilen>toomanyhobbies: dyndns is pretty easy and a lot of routers already support it - it is also the best way to handle changing IPs
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12:24<etth>toomanyhobbies: does that ip show in your 'ifconfig -a' output?
12:25<rudi_s_>toomanyhobbies: A cronjob and a little script on the server telling you your ip?
12:25<toomanyhobbies>how would that work?
12:25<toomanyhobbies>I guess it would regularly check my ip and then email it to me wgen it changes?
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12:27<toomanyhobbies>etth: I don't know. I was just using I'm not able to log in right now for this reason, lol. so I can't check right now.
12:27<rudi_s_>toomanyhobbies: ssh systemofadown 'echo $SSH_CONNECTION' | awk '{print $1}'
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12:28<toomanyhobbies>what do I do with that?
12:28<babilen>get your external IP
12:28<rudi_s_>toomanyhobbies: You run it to get your IP?
12:28<rudi_s_>And for example store it somewhere and check if it changed.
12:29<toomanyhobbies>I'm sorry, I really don't understand what you typed there. I'm pretty new to this stuff.
12:29<rudi_s_>toomanyhobbies: Do you have ssh access to the server? If not this won't work anyway.
12:30<toomanyhobbies>I did, but I suspect that my ip changed and I won't be home until tomorrow.
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12:31<rudi_s_>toomanyhobbies: Ah, your server is at home. So you need a third party where you can get the ip from. Like a web page or something like that.
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12:31<toomanyhobbies>Yeah. DSL at home. Dynamic ip. I want an email when my ip changes so that I can still ssh into it.
12:31<rudi_s_>So put a little PHP (I know, I know ...) or whatever script on a webhoster and let your server update it; then ask the webhoster for the IP.
12:31<toomanyhobbies>It's only ssh right now
12:32<rudi_s_>toomanyhobbies: Okay, mail would work as well.
12:32<rudi_s_>Then let the server connect to (or whatever you want) and then mail you the IP if it changed.
12:32<rudi_s_>But as titan8990 already said, dyndns is simpler and IMHO better in that case.
12:33<Heighnub>hey all: in /etc/networking/interfaces file i have the line "allow-hotplug eth1". If I add a virtual interface eth1:0, should I add "allow-hotplug eth1:0" also ?
12:33<titan8990>if you could get a service on gateway, that would be the easiest
12:33<toomanyhobbies>So there is currently no package that does this? It seems like it would be handy.
12:33<titan8990>toomanyhobbies: the dyndns package
12:33<toomanyhobbies>ok, tnx.
12:33<rudi_s_>toomanyhobbies: Use DynDNS if you don't know how to handle it on your own, it's just a few lines of shell code.
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12:40<Rhapsody>I've recently switched from Adobe Flash Player to GNU Gnash (go me) but find that Debian has both gnash and gnash-opengl packages. I can see the first uses AGG for rendering and the latter uses OpenGL, but what does that mean? What are the pros and cons to using one over the other?
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12:41<sney>Rhapsody: the opengl one is likely faster on machines with hardware-accelerated graphics, but that's not everyone
12:41<Rhapsody>Ah, that is me though. GeForce 8800GT with the nvidia-glx driver.
12:42<sney>of course, since gnash is still a work in progress, awesome performance is not a guaranteed thing
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12:43<Rhapsody>Yeah, I noticed it still fails with a lot of stuff. But YouTube and counted for 99% of my Flash usage up until recently, and now they use gecko-mediaplayer, so Gnash's failings aren't so important.
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12:44<etth>debd: i just xor'ed two news sniplets, and they came out as (hex)
12:44<etth>debd: you should try to figure them out to get a feel for the problem. if you can't do that, there's nothing for you to automate
12:46<toomanyhobbies>I'm trying to set up dyndns to tell me my dynamic ip via email. I made an account there. Do I want to "add a new hostname"?
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12:47<toomanyhobbies>I cannot determine what service I need to configure for this.
12:48<toomanyhobbies>do I want "network monitoring"? Because the site indicates that they no longer offer that service.
12:48<sney>the whole point of dyndns is to have a domain name so you don't have to track your changing ip address.
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12:48<Glorf>Hi all
12:49<toomanyhobbies>So whatever I set up as my hostname is what I use to ssh into my server?
12:50<Glorf>anyone know how to boot on a memtest ?
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12:50<amphi>if you install memtest86, you should get a grub menu entry for it
12:51<dpkg>To test a computer's memory subsystem for faults, use either: memtest86 / memtest86+ (thorough real-mode testers) or memtester, all packaged for Debian. memtest86+ is included in <debian live>. Set memtest86=true in /boot/grub/menu.lst and "update-grub" to enable memtest86/memtest86+ boot selections in GRUB Legacy. make-memtest86-boot-floppy / make-memtest86+-boot-floppy does as named. See also <badram>.
12:52<toomanyhobbies>I have 3 options to choose: "host with ip address", "webhop redirect" and "offline hostname". Which one applies? I suspect the first, but I'd rather not mess up.
12:52<debd>etth: you mean these are streams otp-encrypted?
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12:53<Glorf>!debian live
12:53<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. #debian-live on
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12:54<etth>debd: no, that's the kind of problem you'll have to solve if you want to exploit a twice-used one-time-pad
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12:56<LokiChaos>is there a way to list which packages I explicitly installed? (ie: w/o any packages that were pulled as deps)
12:57<sney>it's gotta be an aptitude thing
12:57<debd>etth: i do not know what you mean. What kind of problem will I have to solve?
12:58<etth>LokiChaos: i peruse /var/log/aptitude* to get that kind of information. anyone know an automagic way?
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12:58<sney>when packages are installed they have certain flags, and automaticaly installed packages have different flags than manually installed ones. read the aptitude man pages, LokiChaos, clues will be in there
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12:59<etth>debd: scrollback m(
12:59<LokiChaos>ok, thanks... even if I installed with apt-get?
12:59<LokiChaos>ok thank you
12:59<Rhapsody>Fantastic, another unresolvable dependency issue. I can't install libao-dev because it depends on libao4 which conflicts with libao2 which is required by mpd because mpd depends on an output that I don't even use with it.
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13:00<toomanyhobbies>OKay. Do I need the dyndns package installed to use dydns services? Or is my account I made good on it's own?
13:01<sney>toomanyhobbies: your computer needs a way to contact the dyndns website in order to update the ip address that the domain name uses. that's the dyndns client package.
13:01<toomanyhobbies>Okay, thanks. I think I'm all set now.
13:01<Rhapsody>So libao-dev is broken and I can't fix it until mpd stops depending on a deprecated package.
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13:01<sney>Rhapsody: does aptitude give you any better solutions?
13:02<debd>etth: i did indeed read anything you have written within the past 30min but still don't know what you mean
13:03<Rhapsody>sney: I went though the whole lot, it's impossible to have libao4 and mpd installed at the same time.
13:03<sney>is that on lenny?
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13:04<Rhapsody>Nope, sid. My fault I guess. Is there a way to force mpd to install even if a dependency is missing?
13:05<sney>just manually with dpkg, I guess. but aptitude would complain every time you ran it.
13:05<sney>!broken in sid
13:05<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
13:05<sney>there may be something useful to you in BTS
13:05<Rhapsody>aptitude complains now, libao-dev is broken.
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13:06<Rhapsody>OK, I guess my next job is to figure out what that completely alien acronym means.
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13:07<sney>bug tracking system. you must not have been running sid for very long if you haven't been there a few times already
13:07<Rhapsody>I've been there, I'm just not familiar with the acronym.
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13:39<MHM-Stype>hello looking for help
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13:41<MHM-Stype>is anyone can help here ?
13:42<babilen>Just ask your question
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13:46<MHM-Stype>thanks before, well i have printing machine that have iPc pc with touch screen that command the machine today morning i tried to open it and i always got this error msg : PANIC Offset memory map : Readjust 1x602012752179 and i got a case where i can tape just numbers
13:47<babilen>How is this related to Debian?
13:47<babilen>You might want to contact the vendor of your printer
13:47<MHM-Stype>it working under debian
13:47<MHM-Stype>when i start my ipc i got debian starting
13:48<MHM-Stype>i contact them they are not working
13:48<MHM-Stype>and i'm loosing production in the same time
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13:49<MHM-Stype>my question si how go to the terminal and what to tape to kill this process
13:49<MHM-Stype>i tape Ctrl + Alt + F1
13:49<MHM-Stype>i got somting like dos
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13:50<MHM-Stype>it happend one time and they make it this way but i did'nt take note
13:51<MHM-Stype>when i tape Ctrl + Alt + F1 i saw error : error on hardware clock set date to 1-1-2002
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14:04<xiwang>hello , when i config my apache2 for php follow a help document. there is a step that find AddType application/x-gzip .gz .tgz and add AddType application/x-httpd-php .php.but i cann't find the line include "Add Type" at all in my apache2.conf. how can i do?
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14:08<alexskan>hi al
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14:10<alexskan>quick info: best nokia manager? something like: synch contacts with some tool (and exporting them in an open format), sms manager, easy and powerful file manager?
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14:11<alexskan>I found a bunch, no clue what is best of breed
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14:11<alexskan>could you please advice?
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14:12<adb>yes , test them , and choose one
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14:13<alexskan>adb, not able to read or to understand?
14:14<babilen>alexskan: What is wrong with testing them and choosing the one that suits you? I am not sure which of them is "the best of the breed"
14:14<adb>alexskan, here is not a commercial channel to sells "best nokia manager" so ...
14:15<babilen>chenwei: Do you have a Debian related question?
14:15<alexskan>babilen, just to leverage some other experience instead of wasting time to test 10 apps and choose one
14:15<TCW>alexskan, he did understand you, it is just that depending on the phone and software it may work or be absolutly broken... so no one may be able to answer your question. Test all is the only viable option for mobile phone stuff at the moment.
14:15<babilen>alexskan: I know what you want, but *I* am unable to help. Just try them and if someone knows something (s)he will help
14:16<alexskan>babilen, that's what I'm asking for
14:16<xiwang>hello , when i config my apache2 for php follow a help document. there is a step that find AddType application/x-gzip .gz .tgz and add AddType application/x-httpd-php .php.but i cann't find the line include "Add Type" at all in my apache2.conf. how can i do?
14:16<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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14:17<chenwei>good !I am only a little English, I am from China
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14:18<dpkg>from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读
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14:19<sney>xiwang: debian keeps many apache2 config files in /etc/apache2/conf.d, maybe look in one of them
14:21<xiwang>thanks for sney. i decided to read the apache2-doc. and i have install the apache2-doc packet.but how can i use it?
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14:21<meowcats>sg nickserv identify lxa782
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14:21<sney>xiwang: files in /usr/share/doc
14:23<xiwang>yeap, i find it. and it also has a index.html in the manual directory. i use my browser to open it and now can read the document successfully. thanks sney.
14:23<sney>no problem
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14:40<Grueber>anyone use deb on an MSI U210 netbook?
14:40<sney>is that one of the wind models?
14:41<Grueber>yeah wind12
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14:41<Grueber>very nice little thing actually, I had deb on my dell inspiron laptop for a while but haven't bothered with the new netbook yet
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14:42<sney>depending on the hardware it should just work, I know the 10" wind is fully supported
14:42<Grueber>ah good, I read about people having trouble getting the wireless module to work, just looking for anyone that has it running on their's lol
14:43<amphi>Grueber: or may have info
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14:43<Grueber>ooh tuxmobil
14:43<Grueber>forgot about that
14:43<babilen>Do you know which wifi adaptor is in the netbook?
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14:44<Grueber>something like rtl3090, I found a ubuntu deb link, I bookmarked it so I'll try it when I bother
14:44<babilen>If you need a newer kernel or firmware: /msg dpkg kmuto and /msg dpkg installer firmware
14:44<sney>don't install ubuntu stuff on debian, it's not supported
14:45<Grueber>yeah didn't think so
14:45<Grueber>don't like ubuntu much
14:46<sney>you should be able to install over wired using the netinstall usb, then get wifi working afterwards
14:46<Grueber>yeah that's the part that bugs me, gonna need to read up on installing off usb, sounded complicated when I read about it lol
14:46<babilen>!usb install
14:46<dpkg>Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at BIOS can't boot from USB? Use
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14:47<sney>the manual makes it sound more complicated than it is, it's pretty painless
14:47<babilen>Grueber: It's not that hard, just follow the instruction in the installation guide (The easy method) and make sure that you copy the .iso *file* to the stick
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14:47<babilen>i.e. *not* the content of the iso
14:48<Grueber>yeah the iso itself
14:49<Grueber>I got a 160GB passport HDD I'm going to use that for, I got a 2GB stick for the boot
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14:49<babilen>more than enough - I would use LVM
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14:50<adb>!seen enouf
14:50<dpkg>adb: i haven't seen 'enouf'
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14:50<Grueber>I haven't been here in about 8 years lol, I used to host the apt bot for a while
14:50<babilen>welcome back then :)
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14:52<rld>Hi, I just installed Debian Lenny (net install) using Unetbootin and when trying to boot I get "Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key"...any ideas?
14:52<xiwang>i am use my sumsung netbook now.
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14:53<Grueber>oh I copy the boot.img.gz off the install CD onto the flash stick right?
14:53<Grueber>nice how does it run?
14:53<babilen>Grueber: you use zcat to "copy" it
14:54<Grueber>yeah but from the CD right? not from the actual installed OS?
14:54<babilen>Grueber: No, there are spefici files for that in the hd-media directory on the mirrors
14:54<Grueber>oh ok
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14:55<Grueber>ah I found it
14:56<babilen>great :)
14:57<rld>Has anyone had problems trying to install (netinstall) using Unetbootin? I certainly have... :/
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14:57<babilen>rld: unetbootin is not officially supported
14:57<babilen>rld: Follow the instructions in the installation guide -> /msg dpkg usb install
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14:58<rld>thanks, i'll check it out
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15:01<babilen>Athunye: are you sure?
15:02<Athunye>babilen: Sure of what?
15:02<babilen>Athunye: nevermind :)
15:03<Athunye>Oh. I was trying to /join but something was messing what I typed...
15:04<Athunye>And then it headed me to the msg window in irssi. Now it stopped.
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15:15<Grueber>heh so nice to DL at 1.3MB/sec
15:16<babilen>Grueber: Where are you?
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15:16<Grueber>BC canada
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15:17<babilen>germany here - i always install @university or work and enjoy the nice downlinks there :)
15:17<Grueber>I bet
15:18<Grueber>downloading from yorku, I think that's in ontario
15:18<babilen>Grueber: So the usb installer worked?
15:18<babilen>Or are you just downloading the iso?
15:18<Grueber>haven't gotten that far yet
15:18<Grueber>yeah iso
15:18<Grueber>copying now
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15:20<Grueber>yay usb booted
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15:32<sney>Grueber: I always use the ucalgary mirror, it's always got tons of bandwidth to spare
15:32<sney>I routinely max out my download speed on apt updates
15:33<karsten_>hello there. i want to install debian lenny on my dell zino hd - it comes with an broadcom wireless lan chip. to install the wireless-lan driver i need to run "aptitude install bcm43xx-fwcutter wireless-tools". but i have no internet-connection. i´ ve got an physical lan connection too but its also from broadcom and i have to donwload the driver with aptitude too, what can i do? especially because the tool downloads the broadcom fi
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15:34<sney>karsten_: you can download the packages and their dependencies, if any, from and install manually
15:34<sney>driver packages are usually pretty slim on the dependencies
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15:38<karsten_>okay, i try. is there a way to download the depencies automatically or have i do download every for its own?
15:38<sney>karsten_: you have to do them manually but there shouldn't be very many.
15:38<babilen>karsten_: Do you have a working debian installation?
15:39<babilen>karsten_: But as sney said, there shouldn't be many
15:39<babilen>karsten_: Check apt-offline and apt-zip, but i doubt that you'll need that
15:39<Grueber>hm weird, it keeps stopping at scanning for installer iso, df showed that it's mounted and it's there but the installer won't go lol
15:39<babilen>karsten_: You can also just --download-only the packages and copy them to a USB stick or so ...
15:40<sney>looks like b43-fwcutter doesn't have any dependencies that aren't already installed
15:40<sney>all it needs is libc6, debconf, and wget
15:41<karsten_>it´s nothing :P but the driver is downloading a file (the firmware-file) with wget - but where can i get the file manually? it´ s not in the repos...
15:41<sney>good question, it probably has the url in plaintext somewhere in the package
15:42*sney curses broadcom for making this nonsense so annoying
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15:43<karsten_>okay, i try to extract the package, maybe the url is in the post-trigger script...
15:43<babilen>sney: It's really easy these days - i had to install the firmware with recently reverse-engineered drivers some years ago ... *that* was painful ;)
15:44<babilen>karsten_: way to go :)
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15:44<sney>babilen: yeah, it was worse before, but broadcom are still jerks
15:44<babilen>yeah they are
15:44<sney>hell even atheros is in the kernel now and ralink is getting there
15:44<babilen>sney: Hell, i needed to extract it from some wird OSX file back then ...
15:45<sney>haha ouch
15:45<TCW> <- this one is somewhat... disturbing :/ The workaround by manually fiddleing with some command line tool does work, but I can't believe the maintainer (partly upstream) seems just to be so ignorant about the fact that most touchpad users will be annoyed and angry...
15:45<Grueber>hm the installer won't go past scan drives for install image :(
15:46<babilen>Grueber: Hmm, you placed the iso in the root of the stick?
15:46<Grueber>yeah it's there, and it gets mounted as loop0 to /cdrom
15:46<karsten_>i found the url in the extracted package :)
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15:47<babilen>karsten_: great!
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15:47<karsten_>okay, i ´m going to try it.. thanks a lot! bye
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15:48<babilen>Grueber: strange - you are the second one today who ran into that issue ..
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15:50<babilen>Which iso did you download?
15:50<Grueber>yeah netinstall one
15:50<babilen>but it should work with any ISO IIRC
15:51<locklace>Grueber: lenny?
15:53<Grueber>oh wait
15:53<Grueber>the booter is i386, the iso is amd64, does that mean anything
15:53<breetai>can't you just use unetbootin for making a boot USB-stick?
15:54<babilen>use the same architecture (i.e. the one you want to install)
15:54<babilen>breetai: unetbootin also has its problems - and the usb install method in the installation guide works pretty well ..
15:55<breetai>unetbootin can't always put the downloaded .iso on the usb-stick correctly
15:55<Grueber>just downloaded the amd64 one, gonna try again
15:55<babilen>Grueber: Good luck - you are using lenny?
15:55<titan8990>It does work well... but they should really come up with a method that does not require the full use of the stick for squeeze
15:56<babilen>titan8990: absofuckinglutely :)
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16:02<Grueber>yup working now
16:03<Grueber>guess the i386 boot image was the problem, lol I was following the links in the manual, keep that in mind for the next person with similar problem lol
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16:03<babilen>Grueber: Yeah, i will :-\
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16:05<Grueber>sweet, thanks, time to go for easter dinner
16:05<Grueber>I'm starving
16:06<babilen>Grueber: enjoy it :)
16:06<Grueber>will do, be back later maybe :)
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16:14<TCW>should nouveau work on sid / experimental right now? As I think I should have all that is needed, but xorg log complains about not finding the nouveau kernel module (which puzzles me a bit as there is no nouveau kernel module)
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16:18<adb>judd> Sorry, no package named 'nouveau' was found.
16:18<azeem>TCW: why do you think there is no nouveau kernel module?
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16:19<robert>does the command 'm-a a-i nouveau' do anything?
16:20<TCW>azeem, [drm] failed to load kernel module "nouveau" <<- but I guess I have to do some reading first before I "complain" again... it may just be it is not that straight-forward as I thought :)
16:20<abrotman>TCW: uname -r ?
16:20<sney>I thought nouveau was only in 2.6.33 and later
16:21<abrotman>i thought they were backporting it to .32 for squeeze
16:21<TCW>abrotman, .32
16:21*abrotman thought he read that somewhere
16:21<TCW>But the backporting is not done yet?
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16:23<abrotman> .. i guess is what you actually want to read
16:23<TCW>abrotman, ahh... so more or less, maybe not even started yet :)
16:23<abrotman>maybe ask #debian-x if it's going to happen or not
16:25<azeem>it's a kernel issue though, isn't it?
16:25<azeem>ah, that
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16:25<TCW>btw. would it be hard to force bugs.d.o to reformat / force lines to break after (dunno) 80 characters?
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16:26<TCW>abrotman, I guess I would be fine with a newer kernel too
16:26<azeem>message #50 says the latest sid kernel has the nouveau backport
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16:28<TCW>azeem, then I don't get it... as I see it I run sids most recent kernel
16:29<TCW>but I see linux-image-2.6.33-2-686 in experimental
16:30<TCW>it could be I only need libdrm2 2.4.18-4 from experimental... imho the message is a bit confusing there
16:31<azeem>TCW: so which version are you running?
16:32<TCW>azeem, of libdrm2? sids
16:32<servernoob>I'm in the process of trying to reorganize the way apache maps URL's to directories and am having some difficulties understanding the correct way to do it
16:32<azeem>TCW: of the kenrle
16:33<servernoob>do you have know of any good tutorials on how to map URLs in apache?
16:33<babilen>mod_rewrite? or is there something better these days?
16:33<TCW>azeem, as sid, sid current, 2.6.32-trunk-686 (upgraded an hour ago)
16:33<azeem>that's not current sid
16:33<TCW>s/as sid/as said/
16:34<azeem>boot the 2.6.32-4-686 kernel
16:34<TCW>it should be... let me check
16:34<abrotman>that's not even current squeeze
16:34<babilen>TCW: There is a bug in grub-common which causes the -trunk- kernel to remain the default even if a newer kernel is installed
16:34<servernoob>I'm relatively new to server configuration and am trying to build a basic web hosting server that offers web space packages to potential customers
16:35<servernoob>its not supposed to be automatic
16:35<TCW>ii linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 2.6.32-5 Linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs...
16:35<TCW>that -5 and -4 confuses me... hold on :)
16:35<valdyn>servernoob: google "apache virtual server"
16:35<azeem>which -4?
16:35<azeem>I said 2.6.32-4-686, not -4
16:35<abrotman>TCW: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686
16:35<azeem>TCW: if you don't know the difference, you have no business running unstable, really
16:36<TCW>22:34:04 <azeem> boot the 2.6.32-4-686 kernel <- this -4
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16:36<abrotman>TCW: what does 'uname -r' say at this moment ?
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16:38<TCW>The following extra packages will be installed: linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 <- azeem , sure about -4?
16:38<TCW>abrotman, apparently not the most recent one in sid
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16:38<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-10); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
16:39<TCW>so it is squeeze... interesting... let me check the apt configuration
16:40<azeem>linux-latest-2.6 is out of date
16:40<babilen>,depends linux-image-2.6-686 --release sid
16:40<judd>linux-image-2.6-686 -- depends: linux-image-2.6.32-3-686.
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16:41<TCW>nope, my apt conf is sane
16:41<babilen>TCW: The metapackage depends on -3- although the newest version in sid is -4-. The -4- should be installable directly
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16:42<TCW>babilen, yep... realised that a mpoment ago
16:43<servernoob>when I originally installed debian, I think I set aside about 30gbs of space...if I want to run sites from space available outside the debian install, how should I format the remainder of the harddrive and route the urls to the new space?
16:44<servernoob>if that made sense
16:44<TCW>servernoob, you could work with symbolic links or mount an extra partition into the www-root... there are several possibilities
16:44<abrotman>servernoob: you're asking how to configure apache ?
16:45<servernoob>sorry abrotman: I guess in this case the main question is adding more space to an already configured server
16:45<abrotman>servernoob: you can put the virtual hosts/websites anywhere you like .. you could create a partition called /hosted_sites/ and put all your data there
16:45<servernoob>sounds like a good idea
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16:46<babilen>servernoob: or use something beneath /srv/ or mount another partition to /var/www/foobar
16:47<abrotman>hell, you could just mount it as /var/www/
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16:48<servernoob>lets say I bought a new hard would I locate, format, and mount that...via the command line?
16:48<robert>just create a bootable USB stick with unetbootin
16:48<robert>using the 'parted magic' distribution
16:48<TCW>servernoob, fdisk -l, fdisk, mkfs, mount ...
16:49<azeem>servernoob: you should read some basic introduction documentation
16:49<servernoob>yea...I'm working on that
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16:49<servernoob>I'm not completely new to this...its just I havent done it in a LONG time
16:50<servernoob>I also never went straight command line
16:50<TCW>not straight but with obstacles to the command line? :)
16:51*nostmith would recomend using cfdisk instead of fdisk
16:51<TCW>brb, kernel upgrade and... reboot
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16:59*b_i_d bangs head on the table
17:00<b_i_d>I was trying to find out for minutes, why transparency in xchat didn't work and the background stayed white.
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17:00<b_i_d>Now I suddenly remembered, that my desktop background IS WHITE...
17:02<robert>but xchat is only transparant to the background
17:02<robert>and not when it is in front of another window?
17:04<amphi>robert: it's fake transparency, unless you use a compositing manager, perhaps
17:04<b_i_d>That was the problem. I always have so many windows open, that I rarely see my background. So I simply forgot... :D
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17:05<robert>a compositing window manager would help
17:05<b_i_d>Seems like it. Either fake only or it doesn't work with xcompmgr
17:05<robert>but everyone has one of those moments once in a while
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17:06<TCW>wow, nice... even glxgears works ;)
17:06<robert>I've spent my entire evening on wednesday to make grub2 boot on the right hard drive
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17:08<b_i_d>Now I just have to find out how the hell to change the tabs with keyboard shortcuts. Never used xchat before.
17:09<b_i_d>I didn't make everything usable by keyboard only to start using a mouse for xchat. ;)
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17:13<TCW>Hmm... the only setback between nvidia to nouveau now is my screen-rotating script does not work anymore... somehow the xrandr -q aoutput did change
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17:19<fraggsta>I'm trying to mount an LVM after moving the disks to another machine. I did initially have it mounting but am now trying to reinstall and mount the volume. In my efforts to mount it, I did "vgremove". Am I fucked?
17:20<fraggsta>I'm going through creating a physical, then logical volume, adding the partitions to it, but I'm just getting "wrong fs type" when trying to actually mount the volume
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17:25<locklace>fraggsta: if you vgremove'd, then yes, you are most likely fucked
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17:26<CQ>hello, I have a borked stable to testing upgrade that needs fixing... udev refuses to upgrade becasue the running kernel is too old, and the newer kernel (2.6.32-3-amd64) refuses to boot and dumps a symbol table.... any ideas?
17:26<CQ>2.6.26-2-amd64 boots just fine
17:27<locklace>CQ: you can try a lenny-backports kernel to get you through
17:27<locklace>,kernel --release lenny-backports
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17:27<judd>Available kernel versions are: lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1)
17:27<CQ>locklace: ok, how?
17:28<locklace>go to, download it and install it with dpkg -i
17:28<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list>
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17:30<b_i_d>I wouldn't really put backports in the sources list. If you want a backport, just dl it and install with dpkg or gdebi.
17:31<zhengyi>yeah, probably not a good idea if CQ just wants the kernel to get over this hump, but it does point out the docs, which is all I really intended
17:31<zhengyi>probably should have said that though
17:31<b_i_d>In your sources list it gives you too many packages you don't need or that are even broken sometimes...
17:32<babilen>zhengyi: Just /msg the bot
17:32<robert>can't you just force the udev upgrade?
17:32<azeem> is pinned below stable by default though I thought?
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17:32<babilen>azeem: It is
17:32<azeem>robert: eh, forcing is never the right thing
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17:32<CQ>ok, just installed 2.6.30-2-amd64 and that works and lets me upgrade udev ...
17:32<zhengyi>b_i_d: "even broken sometimes"? well, he *is* moving to testing...
17:32<robert>but the new kernel might hang because of something else than the udev
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17:33<babilen>CQ: I hope that the new kernel runs with the newer udev version - haven't heard of this particular problem though. Please report a bug is it persists
17:33<b_i_d>I had no real problem with a "clean" testing sources list for a long time.
17:33<zhengyi>robert: I went through this myself w/ a botched upgrade the other day... the udev package says loud and clear that forcing its upgrade is a distinctly suboptimal thing to do
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17:34<b_i_d>But then my first linux experience ever was working with unstable for a year.
17:34<zhengyi>b_i_d: good man :)
17:35<CQ>what shoudl my sources.list look like for testing? I just have the main testing and security testing/upgrades main ... shoudl be enough, right? this is for a minimal FTP servet without X
17:35<b_i_d>Well, it made me LEARN. I had to, because once a week X didn't start or the kernel was fucked... :D
17:35<robert>after many arguments with my wife, i decided to go from unstable to testing for our home-computer
17:35<zhengyi>I learned by repeatly blowing up my slackware installs
17:35<zhengyi>many paths...
17:35<babilen>CQ: that's fine - if you want paste them and we have a look
17:35<robert>It's been a lot quieter here, the last couple of months
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17:36<azeem>CQ: for a minimum ftp server, there's absolutely no reason not to use stable
17:36<CQ>babilen: the kernel problem persists, problem is that this is inside a virtual machone (vbox) and I can't cut/paste anything out of it ...
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17:36<servernoob>azeem: would u recommend formatting as a primary or logical partition?
17:36<azeem>servernoob: I don't have an opinion on this
17:36<babilen>CQ: And well, you should run stable
17:36<CQ>azeem: agreed, but the guest additions wouldn't build, and I figured I had to use something newer, else I could not mount shared vbox folders
17:36<TCW> <- oh great... I love it when tools change their syntax and in addidtion don't get it right in the "documentation"... oh, and a manual page is non-existant.
17:36<azeem>guest additions?
17:36<b_i_d>You forced your wife to use unstable? ROFL.
17:36<CQ>could have been that I was jsut missind dkms
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17:37<servernoob>what would be the difference when adding space?
17:37<CQ>azeem: they allow you to mount shared folders inside the guest OS ... otherwise the vboxsf filesystem is not recognized
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17:37<babilen>CQ: Newer virtualbox-ose packages are available from backports
17:37<babilen>,versions virtualbox-ose
17:37<judd>virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3; lenny-backports: 3.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.1.4-dfsg-2; sid: 3.1.4-dfsg-3
17:37<zhengyi>I expect LFS would have a lower WAF than unstable, but not by much... you're a brave dude
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17:37<robert>testing works a lot better
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17:37<b_i_d>My ex-gf, parents and sister use ubuntu now and that's fine. I usually tell them to stay away from Debian. Makes my life more easy...
17:37<RamiroR>hi people
17:37<babilen>CQ: I *highly* recommend running stable
17:37<RamiroR>I need some help,
17:38<babilen>RamiroR: Just ask your question :)
17:38<CQ>babilen: noted, but I already made the move ...
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17:39<babilen>CQ: reinstall, install vbox from backports .. You *don't* want your production system to run testing
17:39<RamiroR>I just installed Debian 5.04 , and since I've done that, I can't access packages/security/, thus not being able to use apt-get. plus I can't mount my WinXP partition :/
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17:39<babilen>RamiroR: Why can't you access the mirrors? What is the problem?
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17:39<babilen>RamiroR: and btw, use aptitude
17:39<RamiroR>I have no idea.. I used to be able before the installation :/
17:40<b_i_d>What does your sources list say?
17:40<babilen>!tell RamiroR -about why aptitude
17:40<azeem>telling people to use aptitude when they don't have specific apt-get issues isn't very helpful IMO
17:40<CQ>babilen: this is not a production system... its to share a few files now and then, nothing more... don't worry, I know what the risks are and know what I'm doing running that on stable. I have a DB server that is (and will remain) stable, another testing machine for some fast moving userland packages, and this one as a not-often-used FTP server for private stuff.
17:40<RamiroR>the installer commented out every source, i just took out the "#"s..
17:40<azeem>RamiroR: did you run apt-get update?
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17:41<babilen>CQ: alright
17:41<RamiroR>I did and it failed
17:41<babilen>RamiroR: You are missing a mirror
17:41<azeem>RamiroR: "it failed" is not an error description
17:41<RamiroR>ok, lemme show the error
17:42<babilen>!tell RamiroR about sources.list
17:42<babilen>RamiroR: Or pick a different mirror from
17:43<babilen>RamiroR: Comment the line with the cd-rom and add a correct one for a mirror closest to you
17:43<azeem>and there's no error there
17:44<azeem>well, probably a connection timing out?
17:44<RamiroR>hm, what is Ign then?:/
17:44<azeem>I'd guess
17:44<b_i_d>That's no error. ;)
17:44<azeem>23:41 < azeem> and there's no error there
17:45<RamiroR>by the way, during installation it had problems accessing and ..
17:45<azeem>RamiroR: did you check networking works at all=
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17:46<babilen>RamiroR: Please setup your mirrors and check you network connectivity? Can you ping the hosts? Is DNS working? (test with dig)
17:46<RamiroR>well.. no, but I used to able to access those addreses... and also, right now, i can acess those from other computers connected to the same router
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17:47<RamiroR>How do I know if ping went ok?
17:47<babilen>RamiroR: You can not ping them and DNS is not orking as well?
17:47<babilen>RamiroR: It worked if you get replies
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17:48<RamiroR>it worked
17:48<RamiroR>omg, it's magically working now.. I can access them now!
17:49<babilen>RamiroR: Did you configure a mirror in lieu of the cdrom?
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17:49<RamiroR>no.. checked some networking stuff, aparently it was not connected.. (i don't get it, how was I talking here?)
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17:50<RamiroR>I feel like.. someone who just came from Linux Mint, well, I am =D
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17:50<b_i_d>Welcome to the underworld then.
17:51<RamiroR>Wait a minute.. the only working thing is, the others two still don't. :/
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17:53<RamiroR>wait.. non of them are.. weird :/
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18:03<karsten_>hello there! i' m here again. i want to install the broadcom - driver on lenny but there is no active internet-connection on the machine. i downloaded the packages manually on another machine and instaled it via an usb-stick. the package b43-fwcutter ist downloading the firmwarefile. that' s impossible without an internetconnection so i downloadet it manually and put it in the same directory. but the installation doesnt work because
18:03<karsten_> wget in the script tries to download the firmware. anyone knows a solution?
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18:06<abrotman>karsten_: did you try restarting hte machine? if the firmware is now in the correct place, you can run it after the machine restarts and gets a network connectoin
18:06*abrotman just mistypes every other word .. for fun
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18:07<karsten_>i dont think that it is in the correct place because the skript crashes while tying to download it an it doesnt try to move the files
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18:08<abrotman>lots of people here
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18:08<abrotman>karsten_: move it where? read the script
18:08<RamiroR>few of them actually say something
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18:08<abrotman>karsten_: or just comment out the wget line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/b43-fwcutter.postinst
18:09<RamiroR>well, i still can't access them. When it worked I had done this: System>Administration>Network>Then connected "Wired Connection" but it disconnects itself all the time!
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18:10<karsten_>the /var/lib/dpkg/info/b43-fwcutter.postinst doesn't contain the wget line.
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18:11<karsten_>maybe i have to extract the deb, edit the script there (comment out the wgets) and packaging the deb again?
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18:14<babilen>karsten_: The firmware should be in /lib/firmware/ - just move it there and try to load the module
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18:14<b_i_d>karsten_: Did you check where he wants to download the file to?
18:15<b_i_d>Too slow... ;)
18:15<babilen>karsten_: In which format do you have the firmware right now?
18:16<karsten_>there are 2 files - one .tar.bz2 and one .o
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18:16<babilen>karsten_: hmm, i remember having a .fw file back in the days - can you unpack the tar?
18:17<karsten_>yes, in the tar are only some .c and .h files
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18:18<babilen>karsten_: Also, please run "modprobe b43" and "dmesg | tail -n 10" and paste the output of the last command
18:18<RamiroR>help! :(
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18:19<azeem>RamiroR: are you using network-manager?
18:19<RamiroR>not sure.. wait
18:19<karsten_>when i run modprobe b43 nothing happens. the last line of dmesg says "Boardcom 43xx driver loaded"
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18:20<RamiroR>azeem I'm using network-admin}
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18:20<babilen>karsten_: It is not complaining about missing firmware? What about the lines above the last one?
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18:20<azeem>RamiroR: what do you mean with "it disconnects itself all the time"?
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18:20<GhostlyDeath>For ide-core, there a way to use DMA but only use mdma2 and not udmaX?
18:20<babilen>karsten_: modprobe typically has no output - and please paste the "dmesg" output
18:21<RamiroR>every time I check if it is connected, it's not, and I have to connect it back..
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18:21<azeem>RamiroR: how do you "connect" it?
18:21<RamiroR>it says:"Wired Connection - This network interphase is not connected."
18:22<RamiroR>Properties>Enable this connection
18:22<azeem>that enables it
18:22<azeem>it doesn't connect it
18:22<GhostlyDeath>You should join a network
18:22<RamiroR>hm, well, it disables all the time
18:22<azeem>I would suggest you start debugging the old-fashioined way
18:22<babilen>karsten_: paste -->
18:22<GhostlyDeath>If it keeps disconnecting, check the signal quality
18:22<azeem>by setting up /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdow, ifconfig and route
18:22<karsten_>babilen ok
18:23<RamiroR>GhostlyDeath: it doesn't actually disconnect, everything else works.. this is really confusing to me
18:23<GhostlyDeath>misread, thought you said wireless
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18:23<GhostlyDeath>RamiroR: So ifconfig says it's connected, you can access the outside world, but it says you are not connected?
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18:24<azeem>the gnome GUI says it's not connected
18:24<RamiroR>yeah. makes no sense
18:24<GhostlyDeath>Would be network-config
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18:24<GhostlyDeath>if it does not initiate the connection itself, it doesn't show it as connected
18:24<RamiroR>and I feel stupid for not knowing what happens, here right now I'd be installing Linux Mint back... but I want Debian!
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18:24<azeem>00:20 < azeem> by setting up /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdow, ifconfig and route
18:24<azeem>00:20 < azeem> by setting up /etc/network/interfaces and ifup/ifdow, ifconfig and route
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18:25<GhostlyDeath>You don't have to paste it twice
18:25<RamiroR>he said oops-
18:25<GhostlyDeath>I know what he said
18:26<azeem>RamiroR: so you got a dhcp server on your network?
18:26<RamiroR>I also tried setting the IP manually..
18:26<azeem>RamiroR: paste the output of "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
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18:27<babilen>karsten_: I saw it - thanks. Hmm, well. That does not look that bad :-\ Have you places the .o file in /lib/firmware? What is the name of the file?
18:27<b_i_d>RamiroR, Do you use "network-manager-gnome"? Had the same problem with that once (disconnecting every few seconds).
18:27<RamiroR>on the terminal? it says command not found,..
18:27<babilen>karsten_: Also, please install wireless-tools and try "iwconfig -a"
18:27<RamiroR>I use network-admin
18:27<azeem>RamiroR: then you're not running it as root
18:27<GhostlyDeath>RamiroR: need to be root
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18:29<azeem>so you get an IP
18:30<RamiroR>what I'm going through, is normal? or i'm just not lucky?
18:30<azeem>00:25 < b_i_d> RamiroR, Do you use "network-manager-gnome"? Had the same problem with that once (disconnecting every few seconds).
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18:30<RamiroR>I use network-admin
18:30<RamiroR>network-manager-gnome = command not found
18:31<azeem>it's a package
18:31<azeem>RamiroR: you're running gnome, right?
18:31<babilen>network-admin as in the network configuration tool in gnome system>foo>network ?
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18:31<b_i_d>The applet is stated via "nm-applet &"
18:31<azeem>RamiroR: do you have the network-manager applet running?
18:31*babilen hates network-mangler ;)
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18:32<RamiroR>azeem: no, should I'
18:32<azeem>RamiroR: are you sure?
18:32<azeem>do you know how it looks like?
18:32<RamiroR>bash: network-manager: command not found
18:32<azeem>00:28 < azeem> it's a package
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18:32<babilen>RamiroR: What kind of machine is this? Do you move it around and need to associate with different networks? Do you use a single wired connection?
18:32<GhostlyDeath>b_i_d: nohup
18:33<RamiroR>single wired connection
18:33<b_i_d>For me the problem was that I had to comment every line in the file "/etc/network/interfaces" except the ones for the loopback device. After that nm-applet worked like a charm.
18:33<RamiroR>in: ubuntu/linuxmint it used to work
18:33<RamiroR>which makes it weird
18:33<RamiroR>to me
18:34<azeem>RamiroR: it's not weird, ok?
18:34<RamiroR>i said to me :P
18:34<babilen>RamiroR: Forget about network-manager or network-admin and configure your connection in /etc/network/interfaces --> add these two lines "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and everything should be fine
18:34<azeem>just because it works elsewhere doesn't mean you didn't mess up your networking
18:34<azeem>babilen: they're already there
18:34<azeem>modulo the hotplug
18:35<babilen>alright, why the network-manager insanity then?
18:35<b_i_d>Oh, i thought we were talking about wireless...
18:35<azeem>RamiroR: what what?
18:35<RamiroR>"modulo the hotplug"
18:35<azeem>RamiroR: pastebin the output of "ifconfig eth0"
18:35<karsten_>so babilen, i installed wireless-tools an iwconfig -a says "-a no such devices"...
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18:35<babilen>karsten_: ah, right *blush* - just run "iwconfig"
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18:36<karsten_>ok, only the lo-device is there
18:36<azeem>RamiroR: looks fine to me
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18:36<karsten_>"lo no wireless extensions"
18:37<RamiroR>azeem just because it works elsewhere doesn't mean you didn't mess up your networking > what do you mean?
18:37<azeem>00:31 < RamiroR> in: ubuntu/linuxmint it used to work
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18:37<RamiroR>but.. me messing up my networking? i just finished installing this..
18:38<babilen>karsten_: "ifconfig wlan0 up" ?
18:38<azeem>what version of Debian did you install?
18:38<b_i_d>Welcome to Debian... :D
18:38<azeem>there's not 5.04
18:38<RamiroR>well, the last stable one
18:38<babilen>azeem: why not?
18:38<azeem>it's 5.0, not 5.4
18:39<karsten_>wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: Kein passendes Gerät gefunden (you speak german? the last part means that no device is found)
18:39<azeem>or rather, 5.0.4
18:39<azeem>RamiroR: then you *have* network-manager, btw
18:39<azeem>at least, I bet you do
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18:39<azeem>but anyway, it's still not clear to me why you think you're networking is malfunctioning
18:39<RamiroR>azeem or rather, 5.0.4 > now that was completely unnecessary :/
18:39<RamiroR>ok i'll try running it again
18:39<azeem>running what?
18:39<babilen>karsten_: Yes i speak german ..
18:40<babilen>karsten_: may i /msg you?
18:40<karsten_>okay :P
18:40<RamiroR>nvm, you said it was a package right?
18:40<azeem>00:37 < azeem> but anyway, it's still not clear to me why you think you're networking is malfunctioning
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18:40<dub>noite galera
18:41<dub>cabei de inciar no debian
18:41<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
18:41<dub>caraca, que excelente
18:41<RamiroR>what is it then?:/, all i know is I can't access packages/security/
18:41<dub>my debian 5.0.4
18:41<GhostlyDeath>With the new fancy GRUB 1.99, there a way to have multiple options per kernel?
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18:41<azeem>RamiroR: can you reach via your web browser?
18:41<GhostlyDeath>a.k.a. more than the standard and single, adding another
18:42<azeem>so why do you think it's a networking problem?
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18:42<GhostlyDeath>RamiroR: When you plug in the wire
18:42<RamiroR>i dunno...:/; can you access
18:42<GhostlyDeath>Does nm-applet show a swirling circle?
18:42<azeem>GhostlyDeath: please stop talking about n-m
18:42<GhostlyDeath>and two dots that turn green?
18:43<azeem>RamiroR: did you try via your web browser?
18:43<RamiroR>yeah, and it didn't work
18:43<GhostlyDeath>RamiroR: in the web browser, is "Offline Mode" checked?
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18:43<azeem>!doesn't work
18:43<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
18:43<RamiroR>ok i get nothing then!
18:43<RamiroR>it says Network Timeout
18:43<GhostlyDeath>or "Work Offline"
18:44<RamiroR>"The server at is taking too long to respond."
18:44<GhostlyDeath>be sure it's unchecked, otherwise it will use your cached data
18:44<RamiroR>it's unchecked
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18:46<b_i_d>WTF? Did anyone ever have a problem where a cronjob isn't running at all, but does while you watch it (a.k.a. sending the output via email)? I feel like in the middle of a quantum physics experiment... o_O
18:46<GhostlyDeath>b_i_d: yes
18:47<GhostlyDeath>b_i_d: maybe cron needs restarting
18:47<b_i_d>And how made you the superposition collapse without watching?
18:47<GhostlyDeath>I restarted the PC
18:48<GhostlyDeath>because I'm too lazy to restart cron in 7 vzctls
18:48<b_i_d>The problem is on a managed server on a webhost.
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18:48<azeem>that's ok
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18:48<GhostlyDeath>RamiroR: In your browser, go to
18:49<RamiroR>"This is wieck, a system run by and for the Debian Project. She does stuff. What kind of stuff and who our kind sponsors are you might learn on"
18:49<b_i_d>I have a some scripts that run all 15 minutes and do some quite big calculations with the user database.
18:49<b_i_d>And one of them doesn't work when I'm not looking, but does when I do.
18:49<GhostlyDeath>RamiroR: and does not work?
18:49<b_i_d>The others work without a problem.
18:50<GhostlyDeath>in your browser?
18:50<RamiroR>wtf,it is working
18:50<RamiroR>today same thing happened, it worked, then it didn't anymore
18:50<GhostlyDeath>You use a proxy of sorts?
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18:51<RamiroR>does work for you? cuz it doesn't for me
18:52<valdyn>RamiroR: sdn uses round robin dns, if one host is down it might not work just sometimes
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18:52<RamiroR>also I just put some extras dns.. google's
18:52<RamiroR> and
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18:53<GhostlyDeath>works for me
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18:57<RamiroR>this is what makes me surrender..
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18:58<b_i_d>Hmmm... Keep debugging that fucking cron scripts or shove it and fire up OpenArena? Two souls alas! dwell in my breast.
18:59<RamiroR>anything I do on Network Settings won't keep saved,,
18:59<valdyn>RamiroR: when you cant reach a host from a webbrowser, try if you can ping it
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18:59<valdyn>RamiroR: that could get us just one step past pure guesswork
18:59<valdyn>( unless that host actually drops pings )
19:01<servernoob>if I am making a web hosting company (fictional), would it be smart or idiotic to add partitions and mount them per fictional customer?
19:02<servernoob>so that there would be a specific hdd space usage
19:02<valdyn>servernoob: that would seriously limit your flexibility
19:02<servernoob>yea i figured
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19:02<servernoob>is there another way I could limit space per customer
19:03<dpkg>rumour has it, quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction.
19:03<ramiror>i can't handle debian.. :/
19:03<ramiror>i'll move to fedora.. thanks for the help anyway
19:04<servernoob>this is for a class project btw
19:04<dpkg>rumour has it, homework is something you should do yourself
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19:04<ramiror>lol dkpg
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19:04<servernoob>research is part of homework
19:04<ramiror>lol dpkg
19:04<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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19:04<ramiror>yay :P
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19:05<valdyn>servernoob: this is just a bad palce to learn anything but factoids
19:05<ramiror>and to be attacked by people
19:05<servernoob>yea it happens
19:05<servernoob>but it's useful to talk to people sometimes
19:05<ramiror>certain people..
19:05<servernoob>when something is not making sense
19:05<ramiror>bye :B
19:05<noflash>servernoob, this isn't a chat channel
19:06<valdyn>ramiror: stop it
19:06<ramiror>ok... :/
19:06<noflash>ramiror, see what, that the channel has rules?
19:06<servernoob>recommendations on another channel that could be more useful?
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19:06<valdyn>servernoob: theres no better unix support channel anywhere
19:07<valdyn>servernoob: you will learn alot more by reading an article or a book about this though
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19:07<servernoob>yea I have been doing a lot of reading
19:07<servernoob>just working on clearing things up I didn't understand
19:07<valdyn>servernoob: thats fine.
19:07<servernoob>or wanted an opinion on
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19:08<valdyn>servernoob: letting us do your homework is frowned upon. Confirming your own research is fine
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19:08<servernoob>yea I fully understand that
19:08<servernoob>thanks for the help
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19:10<b_i_d>Fuck! The difference between my working and non-working cron-scripts is the amount of output! Does cron just don't work if script produces too much output on the terminal? And then works if you send that output via email?
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19:11<valdyn>bittin: no
19:11<valdyn>b_i_d: no
19:11<valdyn>b_i_d: how would your cron print to terminal anyway?
19:12<b_i_d>Didn't think so. But runtime, memory and such are fine. Hm...
19:12<na5uta>hello. search for a chessprogramm in kde. like the gnome chess
19:12<b_i_d>Well, you know what I mean. ;)
19:12<valdyn>na5uta: i cant see one in debian
19:12<b_i_d>Right now I think my hoster srewed up the config big time somewhere.
19:13<valdyn>b_i_d: which crontab are you editing?
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19:13<b_i_d>The problem is that I have some cron-scripts. All but one work.
19:14<valdyn>b_i_d: i know, thas why im asking the question
19:14<b_i_d>That one just works if I make cron send me the output via email.
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19:14<b_i_d>If I don't watch the script it doesn't work.
19:14<b_i_d>Like quantum physics just the other way around...
19:14<valdyn>b_i_d: cron always sends the output by mail
19:14<valdyn>b_i_d: answer my question pulease
19:15<b_i_d>I just use crontab -e
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19:16<valdyn>b_i_d: show both, the line with explicit mail and the one without?
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19:16<valdyn>b_i_d: is the non-working script in the last line?
19:16<b_i_d>One sec. Have to ssh to the server
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19:17<valdyn>b_i_d: how would you know that the cronjob didnt run when it might just be your hoster refusing to send the huge output mail?
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19:18<root_>ip info
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19:19<b_i_d>Great. SSH connections are refused AGAIN! Damn hoster...
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19:20<b_i_d>valdyn, because the DBs aren't updated (happenes in the script).
19:20<valdyn>01:16 < valdyn> b_i_d: is the non-working script in the last line?
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19:22<b_i_d>Can't connect. Damn.
19:22<b_i_d>Hm. I don't think so.
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19:24<Dreakon>Hello folks!
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19:25<Dreakon>Anyone around that could perhaps give me a hand with something? :)
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19:29<Dreakon>I'm trying to get AIM to work on either Pidgin or Empathy. Pidgin is giving me a "you have disconnected and reconnected too many times" error, even though its the first time I've tried. And Empathy simply doesnt support AIM, even though I installed the telepathy-haze package. Any ideas?
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19:29<valdyn>Dreakon: on which debian release?
19:29<abrotman>Dreakon: AIM ?
19:30<Dreakon>yeah, AIM :)
19:30<b_i_d>Dreakon, You shouldn't chat with people that use AIM anyways.
19:30<abrotman>Dreakon: see /topic #pidgin on .. go into advanced and uncheck the 'Client Login' box ... try again!
19:31<Dreakon>Ah, Pidgin works now!
19:31<Dreakon>Thank you very much abrotman!
19:31<Dreakon>I prefer it to Empathy anyways. ;)
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19:32<abrotman>Dreakon: sorry, i saw you on freenode, and it didn't click
19:32<dmc98>hello debian community
19:32<abrotman>and no .. empathy only does XMPP
19:32<valdyn>empathy does aim and about everything
19:32<abrotman>i thought empathy did not do anything except XMPP ?
19:32<abrotman>without a transport
19:33<valdyn>"transport" meaning what?
19:33<valdyn>theres various telepathy plugins
19:33<abrotman>the XMPP transport through the server to whatever service you want
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19:33<abrotman>i haven't mucked with it in awhile ..
19:33<valdyn>I just use only icq and jabber / gmail
19:33<valdyn>but i see everything in the list, including some "exotic" stuff i dont know anything about
19:34<abrotman>yeah, so the description says .. my bad!
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19:35<Dreakon>Just one more question while I'm here. A few days ago I installed Debian Testing netboot and I started removing the software I never planned on using (like Empathy). Somehow through the process of removing these, I completely removed any trace of wireless networking in the OS lol.
19:35<Dreakon>Is this a common problem? I don't have any more details unfortunately.
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19:36<valdyn>Dreakon: its a common mistake some people make
19:36<Dreakon>valdyn: Really? Is there something I should know so I can avoid it in the future?
19:36<valdyn>Dreakon: theres packages marked as explicitely installed and packages not marked
19:36<valdyn>Dreakon: packages that are not marked are removed when nothing marked depends on it
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19:37<valdyn>Dreakon: -> you removed a package that depended on wireless-tools and wireless-tools was removed automagically
19:37<Dreakon>valdyn: Ah, that makes sense. Is there any way to safely remove software without removing their dependencies?
19:38<valdyn>Dreakon: no one needs to remove things as you did on a modern system
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19:38<valdyn>Dreakon: but you can do it, just watch what gets removed
19:38<b_i_d>always check the output of aptitude before hitting y ;)
19:38<tyndz> /join #macports
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19:38<dmc98>hello debian community, i have a question about an apt-get problem i cannot solve on my own
19:38<b_i_d>valdyn, on a netbook you do.
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19:39<valdyn>Dreakon: theres always a way, but theres no way that saves you from needing some detailed knowledge
19:39<valdyn>b_i_d: yea, true
19:39<Dreakon>valdyn: I'm a bit of a OCD nut, so having lots of software I don't use doesn't always sit well. But I can deal until I understand this crazy OS a little better. :)
19:39<b_i_d>dmc98, just ask. No long introductions please. ;)
19:40<valdyn>Dreakon: when you removing a packages, read whats being removed, and read any packages description when youre in doubt about needing it
19:40<dmc98>all right :-) i have three not fully installed packages wit apt-get and i always get this nasty error message
19:40<dmc98>udev requires a mounted sysfs, not started. failed!
19:40<dmc98> failed!
19:40<Dreakon>valdyn: I'm sure if I saw something saying it was removing wireless-tools, I wouldn't have willingly removed anything. :P Guess I gotta look a smidge closer.
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19:41<valdyn>Dreakon: i think you got a huge list, just didnt read it all
19:41<b_i_d>Dreakon, I always do a "aptitude search PACKEGENAME" with the names of everything it want's to remove. Gives a nice and quick overview
19:41<dmc98>i am a beginner to debian, rough linux knowledge so far. it is a virtual server in the internet. dont know what to do.
19:41<valdyn>dmc98: ask your hoster, this surely cant be debian
19:42<valdyn>dmc98: no sysfs = no debian
19:42<Dreakon>valdyn: That does sound like something I would do lol. I probably just assumed it was all stuff relating to the software I was removing.
19:42<dmc98>"cat /etc/debian_version" tells me 5.0.4
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19:43<valdyn>Dreakon: you can give up that mechanism and have no automatic removal being done, but that again would make you collect huge amounts of unused packages over time
19:43<valdyn>dmc98: sure its based on debian, but its probably a paravirtualised system with the typical restrictions
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19:44<valdyn>dmc98: "uname -r" will probably show a non-debian kernel )
19:44<Dreakon>valdyn: I'll keep it then, that'd bug me lol. Thanks for the info, losing my wireless frightened me to the point of briefly switching back to Windows.
19:44<Dreakon>valdyn: Now that I know it was my fault, I can avoid it in the future. :P
19:44<dmc98>"uname -r" gives me this output:
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19:45<b_i_d>dmc98: Is it a managed server?
19:46<valdyn>dmc98: aptitude install virt-what, run it
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19:46<dmc98>i only know that this is a virtual server. i dont know exactly the difference between managed and virtual
19:47<b_i_d>Dreakon: The fun with Debian is that such things are usually your fault and it's a lifetime task to learn every time what you did THIS TIME. ;)
19:47<valdyn>dmc98: that doesnt matter, but it matters which virtualisation tech is used
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19:49<Dreakon>Ah, just thought of another question. I installed the googleearth-package (and related packages), but it seems Google Earth is nowhere to be found?
19:50<valdyn>Dreakon: run "make-googleearth-package" to create a package
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19:51<dmc98>alright, i ran aptitude install virt-what - still error messages in the install process
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19:52<Dreakon>valdyn: It's saying to use --force to override its refusal to run as root.
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19:52<Dreakon>valdyn: Not sure what it wants "--force make-googleearth-package" doesn't seem to work lol.
19:53<Dreakon>valdyn: Nevermind, had it on the wrong side lol.
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19:58<Dreakon>Do you guys have any good suggestions for lightweight audio players? I'm already using VLC for video, so I just want one for music and stuff. :P
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20:00<b_i_d>Or rhythmbox, if you don't want all the great features of mpd...
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20:03<Dreakon>My goal is lightweight, don't want anything stressing the ol laptop out too much. :P
20:03<Dreakon>All I need is a shuffle feature and the ability to shuffle through all the songs I have.
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20:07<b_i_d>Worked even with my few gb of mp3, oggs, flac and such without a hiccup or even showing up on my "top" list, before I switched to mpd
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20:08<Dreakon>guess ill have to go with it, makes my life easy since it came with Debian :P
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20:10<sirh4xalot>can anyone here help me with cracking a wpa
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20:11<sney>sirh4xalot: no.
20:11<sney>let me guess, you're running backtrack?
20:11<dpkg>BackTrack is just an operating system. It does not magically turn you into a hacker. It is also offtopic in #debian. Please fulfill your fantasies in #backtrack-linux on
20:12<sirh4xalot>dude u could have just told me the irc
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20:12<sirh4xalot>and hwo do i get to that server
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20:15<dmc98>hey guys, still having my package problem "udev requires a mounted sysfs, not started. failed!" does anyone have an idea?
20:15<sney>is sysfs mounted?
20:16<dmc98>i dont know how to check. i am new to linux and debian. all i can tell you that this is a vserver on the internet and i have root access.
20:16<sney>ok, run 'mount'
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20:17<sney>you should see something like sysfs on /sys type sysfs
20:17<dmc98>have installed several packages without errors yet, suddenly this error is always showing up.
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20:17<dmc98>mout gives me this:
20:17<dmc98>none on /proc type proc (defaults)
20:17<dmc98>none on /dev/pts type devpts (gid=5,mode=620)
20:17<Cypriot>hi all
20:17<sney>well there you go
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20:17<dmc98>"/dev/hdv1 on / type ufs (defaults)"
20:17<sirh4xalot>ya i cant figure out how
20:18<sney>as root, run 'mount -t sysfs /sys'
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20:19<dmc98>doesnt work. mount is telling me how to use the mount command.
20:19<dmc98>mount -t sysfs /sys is not working
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20:20<dmc98>any other idea?
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20:25<sirh4xalot>ok i figured out how to connect what was the channle agn?
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20:27<b_i_d>poor guys in #backtrack-linux... ;)
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20:28<sirh4xalot>k the channels u gave me urlyer have noone in them whats some popular ones
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20:40<sirh4xalot>ok no one else will help me i just need a server that can get good hacking advice
20:40<sirh4xalot>im stuck
20:40<sirh4xalot>well does anyone here no about like airodump-ng and that
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20:41<edhunter>sirh4xalot: google it. there are plenty of articles for that
20:41<sirh4xalot>ive been for like an hour cant find any
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20:41<GeorgeDorn>the backtrack linux offcial forums has alot of guides
20:42<sirh4xalot> /facepalm
20:42<GeorgeDorn>go hack!
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20:42<edhunter>sirh4xalot: this is the homepage
20:43<sirh4xalot>i no all this but my airodump-ng wlan0 isnt working
20:43<Dreakon>Anyone here familiar with VLC?
20:44<sirh4xalot>w/e ill be back later
20:44<sirh4xalot>few hours
20:44<b_i_d>Depends on HOW familiar.
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21:02<raylu>has anyone tried mumble/murmur on debian?
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21:11<TCW>geez! nouveau does have its advantages compared to nvidia! Second display connected to the laptop without reboot and xrandr can handle it. Wasn't possible with nvidia and its settings tool :)
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21:46<TCW>apparently I did cheer to early :/ after a strange X freeze and no "useable" output whatsoever on the 2nd screen... I must admit dualhead does not work at all, not even with plugged-in while booting :/
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21:48<sney>TCW: it's one of those work-in-progress features
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21:52<TCW>sney, too sad... but I hope "nv" does work at least as good as nvidia did. I need to have the ability to connect a second display to that laptop, with or without rebooting
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21:54<sney>TCW: I'm pretty sure the only thing the 'nv' driver can't handle is decent 3d acceleration.
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21:55<TCW>sney, I think I will test it tomorrow
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21:56<sirh4xalot>im back!
21:56<sirh4xalot>so got any servers?
21:56<TCW>2-D support is in fairly good shape with EXA acceleration, Xv and Randr12 (dual-head, rotations, etc.). <- I hope they talk about the git version, otherwise they have a very strange understanding of "fairly good" :)
21:58<toomanyhobbies>Hello all. I'm configuring ddclient for dydns. It wants to know "interface used for DNS service". What does that refer to?
22:01<TCW>toomanyhobbies, mostly ppp0, in other words the device that has the dynamic / internet IP address
22:02<sirh4xalot>wtf how do i join #backtrack-linux
22:03<toomanyhobbies>So would ppp0 be what I should use for a server connected by ethernet cable to a DSL router/modem?
22:03<TCW>toomanyhobbies, apparently you did not understand it correctly
22:04<toomanyhobbies>I guess not...
22:04<TCW>toomanyhobbies, it sounds like you try to install / configure ddclient not on the box that connects to the internet, right?
22:05<sirh4xalot>can someone help me plz
22:05<TCW>for example, using a DSL router would make this box to be the one connecting to the internet and not the computer you are sitting at
22:05<toomanyhobbies>I am configuring/installing it on my server, which connects by direct ethernet to a router/modem combo for my DSL. The isp gives me a dynamic ip.
22:05<TCW>toomanyhobbies, is it a modem or a router?
22:06<toomanyhobbies>I have direct keyboard access to my server right now, as it were.
22:06<toomanyhobbies>It is both
22:06<TCW>toomanyhobbies, and you use both?
22:06<toomanyhobbies>It is a shared connection.
22:06<sney>sirh4xalot: /server, then follow these instructions, then /join #backtrack-linux
22:06<TCW>sney, I bet he is a troll...
22:07<sney>they will probably ban you for asking how to hack people's wireless. when they do, don't come back here.
22:07<TCW>toomanyhobbies, shared connection?
22:07<toomanyhobbies>The router splits it up for my other devices. The modem talks to my DSL isp. They are both built into the same device.
22:07<toomanyhobbies>I have several computers on the same connection.
22:07<sirh4xalot>im not i just want a better server i already figured the other part out
22:08<TCW>toomanyhobbies, ok... another thing you do not understand correctly :)
22:08<toomanyhobbies>What's that?
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22:08<toomanyhobbies>I can get the model # for you, you can see for yourself.
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22:09<TCW>toomanyhobbies, to make it simple, your router is the box that would need to have ddclient installed
22:09<TCW>many routers do have a dyndns feature, so that is seldom an issue
22:09<toomanyhobbies>I was told to put it onto my server itself. I thought that seemed wrong...
22:10<TCW>toomanyhobbies, maybe the one that told you so did misinterpret "server" there
22:11<toomanyhobbies>So I guess I can stop configuring it on my server now and start messing with the router.
22:13<toomanyhobbies>This is turning out to be a learning experience... Well, I expect I can figure it out from here on out. Thanks TCW.
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22:15<toomanyhobbies>Hold on... When I need to configure the router, do I use ppp0 for "interface"?
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22:17<TCW>toomanyhobbies, webgui on the router? Have a look and you may see you will not be asked for an interface
22:18<toomanyhobbies>I'll need to wait. I am not the network admin, and I do not have the ability to configure the router yet.
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22:25<jhutchins_lt>Linux == learning experience. Debian usually == positive. Windows == learning what frustration really means.
22:25<sirh4xalot>ok they didnt kik me it wont connect to the server
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22:26<sney>sirh4xalot: that's fascinating but it was never our problem to help you in the first place.
22:26<sney>please leave.
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22:27<sirh4xalot>k but do u no any servers that will help me?
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22:30<toomanyhobbies>TCW: Thanks, I got it set up.
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22:43<meowcats>recommend meowcats a music player without gnome/kde dependencies?
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22:44<meowcats>prefer gui, more jukeboxish
22:44<sney>banshee depends on gtk but not gnome itself
22:44<meowcats>banshee wants to install gnome stuffs :|
22:45<sney>just libs and things. it's nowhere near the full gnome bloat.
22:45<sney>there's also songbird, but that's outside of debian and therefore unsupported (though it's self-contained and has no dependencies at all)
22:45<meowcats>banshee also wants to install mono
22:46<meowcats>sney songbird is no longer being supported on linux
22:46<sney>I believe mono falls under the definition of 'libs and things' :P
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22:47*Cygnus thinks gnome also falls under the definition of 'libs and things' xD
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22:47<meowcats>i might try out some xmms2 gui's
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22:48*raylu seconds the mocp recommendation
22:48<meowcats>does mocp have gui?
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22:48<Cygnus>no need
22:48<raylu>no. what are guis for?
22:48<meowcats>for meowcats
22:49<Cygnus>meowcats: try it, it will not let you down.
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22:49<raylu>Cygnus: (unless you have double-width characters in your song titles)
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22:50<meowcats>does it require navigating to directories to play?
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22:51<Cygnus>raylu: Nop, utf-8 wiht double-with characters and it works fine
22:51<raylu>Cygnus: what terminal?
22:51<Cygnus>meowcats: lefthand side current dir, righthand side current playlist
22:51<Cygnus>raylu: xterm
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22:52<raylu>maybe i'm missing some fonts or something
22:52<Cygnus> xterm*faceName: DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=10
22:52<meowcats>hm i run $moc but nothing happens :|
22:52<Cygnus>mocp is the one you have to run
22:53<raylu>Cygnus: remind me where that goes?
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22:54<raylu>also, what's your locale?
22:54<meowcats>mocp is kind of cool, no search though?
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22:54<Cygnus> .Xresources and don't forget to xrdb -merge .Xresources
22:54<Grueber>iwconfig with wpa2 is a pain in the ass :(
22:55<raylu>meowcats: / i think is the default
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22:55<Cygnus>Grueber: You can have the pain wherever you like, i prefer the neck
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22:55<Grueber>I got the ssid and passphrase in but it just won't connect :(
22:55<Cygnus>Grueber: wpasuplicant i've heard it is wonderful
22:55<Grueber>even tried using wpa_gui
22:55<Grueber>yeah been trying that
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22:57<raylu>Cygnus: still no go :( maybe i'm missing some fonts or i have the wrong locale settings
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22:58<Cygnus>raylu: locale?
22:58<raylu>both xterm with that line you gave me and gnome-terminal
22:59<raylu>the output of "locale"
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22:59<Cygnus>raylu: in general, the LANG line would be enough if everything is the same
23:00<raylu>it's set to en_US.UTF-8 for me
23:00<Cygnus>Strange, same settings here
23:00<Cygnus>raylu: have you played with iconv?
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23:01<Cygnus>Maybe it is time you do so. Did you import your music from a windows box?
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23:01<raylu>i downloaded it
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23:03<Cygnus>Usually downloaded music are ripped on windows boxes, you would have to check the encoding of the file itself. (Copy it into a usb stick plug it in a windows machine, see what happens)
23:03<Cygnus>There are other ways ymmv
23:04<raylu>what do you mean by "see what happens?"
23:05<Cygnus>What is the name the windows system displays
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23:08<Cygnus>raylu: depending on the windows versions you get different encodings for non ascii characters
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23:08<raylu>wouldn't that also depend on which player i'm using in windows?
23:09<Cygnus>Wrong side of the fence, i wouldn't know about that
23:09<raylu>Cygnus: then how do you know about the different encodings?
23:09<Cygnus>Common sense tells me that is OS dependent, but when you mix that with MS you never know what you are going to get
23:10<Cygnus>raylu: We all have a dark past
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23:15<Grueber>bleh this is ridiculous lol,
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