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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-04-05

---Logopened Mon Apr 05 00:00:32 2010
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00:15<Cygnus>dros: is that helpfull in any way?
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00:37<jerryclunsford>what Java runtime environment is need for Debian lenny amd 64
00:38<sney>there are a few available, the most commonly used are sun and openjdk
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00:39<jerryclunsford>is the sun java 6 compatible with the 64 bit lenny?
00:39<sney>I think so.
00:40<sney>judd: versions sun-java6-jre
00:40<judd>sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6-16-1; squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1; sid/non-free: 6-17-1; sid/non-free: 6.18-4
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00:41<Cygnus>sun-java6-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files)
00:41<jerryclunsford>Ok so the one that synaptic shows will work
00:41<sney>if it shows in apt it's installable
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00:42<Cygnus>sun-java6-bin - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files)
00:42<Cygnus>btw amd64 running on this edge
00:42<jerryclunsford>I have found that with the 64 bit installable and what will work are not always the same
00:43<Cygnus>wellcome to the amd64 reality :)
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00:43<jerryclunsford>I'll get the sun-java 6
00:43<jerryclunsford>life is a beach
00:44<Cygnus>And when you get used to it you f______ dye
00:44<jerryclunsford>now do I need the plug in too?
00:44<Cygnus>nfc
00:45<jerryclunsford>nfc?
00:45<Cygnus>!tell jerryclunsford about nfc
00:45<sney>jerryclunsford: if you install the jre, the plugin comes along for the ride automatically
00:45<jerryclunsford>Ok thanks
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00:56<asd>i just instaled bt4 but partions does not appear
00:56<asd>why
00:56<asd>?
00:56<asd>any one help me
00:56<asd>?
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00:59<anup>hi
00:59<anup>anyone here a master in grep???
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01:03<edhunter>anup: just ask and if a master is around he/she will help
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01:54<MeglaW>morning
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02:08<beer>mprning to you meglaW
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02:56<screenn>touchpad tapping isn't works after upgrade to sid with 2.6.32-3-686 kernel
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03:00<franki^>screenn: Probably the HAL -> udev transition.
03:02<franki^>screenn: Google something along the lines of "debian touchpad tap udev rules file"
03:03<franki^>screenn: Sorry that I can't be more helpful, but I have work in four hours. :(
03:03*franki^ tries to sleep.
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03:09<CQ>hello, I'm trying to use iptables to forward a connection to an internal FTP server and found http://www.experts-exchange.com/Security/Operating_Systems_Security/Linux/Q_23452219.html with PREROUTING and INPUT rules, and don't understand what the diff is or why I need both... can someone please explain? The manual and HOWTOs I've found don't answer my question...
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03:46<slush>CQ: the PREROUTING chan is for natting (thats why you need -t nat)
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05:22<EmleyMoor>Is there anything other than cdbackup that can take files on stdin and create images suitable for DVD, carving as necessary?
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05:28<valdyn>CQ: the 2nd line is nonsense here
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05:30<zdendo>Hello. Can You help me with playing wma-pro files in Kubuntu 10.04 64-bit?
05:30<valdyn>zdendo: wrong channel
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05:31<zdendo>Anybody knows some channel, where can help me? Thx
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05:33<pabs>zdendo: http://www.google.com/search?q=kubuntu+irc
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05:33<zdendo>thx, bye ;)
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05:38<ao2>hi, is there a way to automate a downgrade getting the previous version of a package (and its deps) from the pool/ dir in the remote archive?
05:39<ao2>I would like to install http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.21-1_amd64.deb and its dependecies with one command
05:41<karsten_>hello! i need a firmware-file for my wlan-chip. when i install the backport-kernel, i get an W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169
05:41<karsten_>W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
05:41<karsten_> where to download the files?
05:43<gsimmons>karsten_: This firmware is not currently packaged and is only used for the RTL8168D chipset. The r8169 driver can live without it anyway ; /msg dpkg rtl8168d
05:45<karsten_>thanks - i' ve got 8168es but it works without firmware
05:45<karsten_>:)
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05:50<msf>hi, I've been using sbuild to build my own custom packages
05:51<msf>I was wondering if there was any easy way to reenter a failed chroot to see the state of the build directory after the failed build ?
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06:32<EmleyMoor>Found (and reported) the problem with cdbackup
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06:43<_spOOn_>hi, is anyone here able to help me with issues around radeonhd driver, kernel 2.6.32-3-amd64 (squeeze)?
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06:43<_spOOn_>have been trying to follow http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd:INSTALL
06:44<_spOOn_>but am striking a problem when i get to making DRM modules
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06:46<karsten_>hello! i tried to install the network-driver for my netzwork-chip. it' s a broadcom 1692. i use 2.6.32-bpo, so the driver should be in it. but on booting it says "tg3: Problem fetching invariants of chip, aborting." - the machine is booting, but the network device doenst work. anyone knows a solution?
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06:56<gsimmons>karsten_: A similar problem was reported in Debian bug #574888, If "No PHY devices" is stated in dmesg output, try the workaround provided in Debian bug #553024.
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07:46<jpablo>Hi there, anybody has a Webcam with support in the Linux kernel?
07:46<babilen>sure - many people do
07:46<dr|z3d>jpablo: Just ask your real question..
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07:47<jpablo>I need buy a Cam but want its driver is in the Linux kernel
07:48<babilen>!webcam
07:48<dpkg>For webcam device support in Debian, ask me about <gspca>, <uvcvideo>, <ov51x-jpeg>, <ov511>, <quickcam>, <m560x-driver>. For device usage suggestions, see http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm or "mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0". http://wiki.debian.org/Webcam
07:48<jpablo>Ok thanks
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07:48<babilen>jpablo: I made good experiences with webcams supported by gspca, don't know about the other
07:48<dr|z3d>Logitech cams are generally pretty well supported, jpablo
07:49<babilen>jpablo: You can ask dpkg about the <factoid> with "/msg dpkg factoid"
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07:49<babilen>and yes, logitech ones are well supported haven't seen a single one that did not work
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07:50<jpablo>Mmmmm Ok Logitech then :)
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07:50<babilen>jpablo: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
07:51<karsten_>my logitech webcam runs pretty good :)
07:51<babilen>karsten_: Hei - Everything working fine now? Did it work out with the backports kernel and wl?
07:52<karsten_>hey babilen - no :( i tried the backport - kernel but there' s an error with the tg3-driver. i asked here but the solution from the bugtracker doesnt work. now i'm trying to install the wlan-driver via ndiswrapper
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07:54<babilen>*sigh* - i don't have much time now and no experience with tg3-driver ...
07:54<babilen>hope you can figure it out eventually ..
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07:55<karsten_>i'm trying..
07:55<gsimmons>karsten_: (re tg3) Please supply your dmesg output (with the workaround enabled) at a pastebin. Does your system have a BCM57780? (i.e. PCI-ID 14e4:1692)
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07:59<karsten_>yes, the pci-id is 14e4:1692. the dmesg ist http://paste.debian.net/67530/
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07:59<karsten_>this is with the workaround
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08:04<gsimmons>karsten_: Please also pastebin the contents of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, /etc/modules and /etc/modprobe.d/tg3.conf.
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08:08<karsten_>the tg3.conf is: install tg3 /sbin/modprobe broadcom; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install tg3
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08:09<amitz>heh, that bug///
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08:12<karsten_>the blacklist is http://paste.debian.net/67531/
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08:12<karsten_>the modules is http://paste.debian.net/67532/
08:13<karsten_>(is it normal that there's only the loop-module?)
08:13<gsimmons>karsten_: You were supposed to add tg3 to /etc/modules.
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08:15<karsten_>ok,i've done it now
08:15<karsten_>but the error still occures on booting
08:15<gsimmons>karsten_: You did run update-initramfs, correct?
08:16<karsten_>yes
08:16<gsimmons>karsten_: So restart your system again.
08:17<karsten_>while running update-initramfs, the error "pssible missing firmware /lib/firmware/tigon/tg3.bin for module tg3" occures
08:17<amitz>karsten_: page me if nothing works. Mine works but ugly as hell.
08:17<gsimmons>karsten_: Ignore it.
08:17*amitz disappears.
08:17<karsten_>ok
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08:18<karsten_>no :(
08:18<karsten_>dont works
08:19<amitz>does manual modprobe -r tg3; modprobe broadcom; modprobe tg3 works?
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08:20<karsten_>no, when i run the line, dmesg says the same error -> problem fetching invariants of chip, aborting
08:20<amitz>goes without saying, check your /etc/network/interfaces is correct. Then check if the device name/numbering is correct (eth?)
08:21<amitz>fail on which of the 3 lines?
08:21<karsten_>last, modprobe tg3
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08:22<karsten_>in the /etc/network/interfaces is only the lo
08:22<amitz>have your checked if the modprobe -r tg3 succesful?
08:22<amitz>lsmod | grep tg3
08:23<karsten_>modprobe -r tg3 is successfull ( i think). lsmod | grep tg3 says nothing
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08:26<amitz>what kernel btw?
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08:27<karsten_>2.6.32-bpo.3-686
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08:28<amitz>the next will be shooting in the dark. From clean, I basically blacklist tg3, then run the 3 lines above. It works.
08:29<amitz>black list in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist . I didn't tamper with anything else.
08:29<amitz>this is from memory. I'm now using debian squeeze 2.6.32-3 with the same setting.
08:29<amitz>s/this/that/
08:30<karsten_>ok i try
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08:31<toad>hey, i need some help with the su command. It always return an error like : "authetification error" but my password is right
08:32<amitz>basically you want tg3 and broadcome to use libphy module, which should be automatic by that procedure.
08:32<titan8990>its either not, or its not using the auth mechanism you think it is
08:33<toad>and when i open a terminal by ALT+F1 for example, i'm abble to log on a root session but not with su
08:33<amitz>or different password
08:33<toad>tg3?
08:33<karsten_>tg3 is no passowrt
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08:34<karsten_>but amitz, it doesnt work :( i'm unsure because update-initramfs says that three firmwarefiles aren' t there.. maybe thats the problem?
08:34<Mady>no
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08:35<toad>hum...
08:35<gsimmons>karsten_: No, Tigon3 firmware isn't relevant to the BCM57780. Again, ignore tg3.bin references.
08:35<amitz>karsten_: hmm. giving up for now. I ignore that error messages yet it works.
08:36<karsten_>ok, i' ve done a reboot but nothing... still the error :(
08:36<amitz>perhaps manually remove tg3, then add libphy, add broadcom, add tg3. Can't stay awake... anymore, sorry :-/
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08:37<karsten_>ok, i try thi
08:37<karsten_>s
08:37<karsten_>thanks!
08:37<toad>nobody can help me about my problem with the su command? On web i find solution by adding the user who wanna became root in the wheel group
08:37<toad>but on my lenny i haven't this group
08:37<toad>...
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08:37<karsten_>toad, su is not sudo - you have to type the root-password, not from your account. have you?
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08:38<karsten_>*typed
08:38<toad>kardan_, yes i did
08:38<elena70>hello
08:38<toad>i type su - root
08:38<toad>n i type my root pass
08:38<elena70>hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:38<karsten_>try only "su"
08:38<toad>elena70, hi ^^
08:38<toad>kardan_, ok
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08:39<toad>kardan_, no
08:39<toad>the same
08:40<karsten_>not good... not good...
08:40<toad>kardan_, xD
08:40<toad>i know
08:40<toad>:d
08:40<karsten_>:P
08:41<toad>its so boring to can't switch root on graphical session
08:41<toad>...
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08:42<karsten_>yes
08:43<toad>i will seek again on web but...
08:43<dr|z3d>toad: install sudo, perhaps.
08:43<toad>they is no way to reconfigure su
08:43<toad>?
08:43<dr|z3d>aptitude install sudo
08:43<dr|z3d>then: sudo su
08:43<dr|z3d>That'll give you root.
08:44<karsten_>when this works you can define an alias for "sudo su" as "su"
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08:47<titan8990>dr|z3d: that makes it look like you have never read the sudo manpage... `sudo -i`
08:49<bremner_>sudo -s ?
08:49*dr|z3d refreshes his knowledge of sudo :)
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08:51<bremner_>sudo read the man page :)
08:52<toad>install sudo, why not
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08:53<bremner_>toad: is that a question?
08:53<toad>but i would like to know what su suddenly doesn't work
08:53<toad>bremner_, ^^
08:54<bremner_>toad: su works fine for most people.
08:55<toad>bremner_, it works fine up to now
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08:55<bremner_>what exactly is the error message?
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08:55<toad>su : Échec d'authentification
08:55<toad>in french :)
08:55<toad>in english it's : authentification failed
08:56<toad>and no more in my syslog
08:56<toad>:/
08:56<bremner_>so, you are 100% sure the root password you typed is correct?
08:56<toad>bremner_, yeah cause that work when i open a terminal
08:56<toad>and i log on root
08:57<bremner_>oh, what program are you running?
08:57<bremner_>in gui?
08:57<toad>Konsole
08:57<toad>on kde
08:57<toad>in fact
08:57<bremner_>no, I mean, what do you mean by "su in gui"?
08:57<TCW>toad, has the password some weird non-ascii characters?
08:58<toad>TCW, i dont know
08:58<toad>in fact
08:58<toad>i can log in root
08:58<TCW>toad, you do not know if the password contains non-ascii charcters?!
08:58<toad>when a open a terminal by ALT+F1
08:58<toad>for exemple
08:58<toad>TCW, ho sorry
08:58<toad><<
08:59<toad>only ASCII caracters
08:59<toad>ch*
08:59<toad>and
08:59<toad>the switch root -> user
08:59<toad>with the su command work
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08:59<toad>but not a user->user or user->root
09:00<toad>so o think its maybe a right problem
09:00<toad>on my user
09:00<toad>no?
09:00<TCW>toad, so the password is like abcdefg1234 or similar? No %&%$§ or ÄÜÖß or °"§?
09:00<bremner_>!return
09:00<toad>TCW, yeah
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09:00<bremner_>toad, please don't hit return every word
09:01<toad>sorry about that ^^
09:01<TCW>toad, not even a french accent or whatever differs in the french language compared to let's say english?
09:01<toad>TCW, no ^^ only a-z , A-Z and 0-9
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09:02<TCW>toad, ok... THEN I have no idea why it does not work :) but check your PAM config, would you mind pasting auth.log? Only paste the relevant stuff
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09:03<bremner_>toad: so, now you say su on the command line gives authentication failure?
09:03<toad>i'll be back in 10min
09:03<toad>i will past my auth.log after
09:03<TCW>bremner_, he says that since the damn of time imho :)
09:03<TCW>dawn even
09:03<toad>bremner_, yeah su just return it
09:04<bremner_>TCW: if you say so...
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09:10<karsten_>why i can' t modprobe ndiswrapper? it says that the module is not found...
09:10<karsten_>where to get it?#
09:10<karsten_>i've gut the ndiswrapper common and util package
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09:14<karsten_>ok
09:14<karsten_>forgget to build it
09:14<karsten_>:(
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09:31<toad>TCW, i'm back :), 2sec for the auth.log
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09:32<toad>oh, u wanna only the line where the su error appear
09:32<toad>?
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09:40<toad>TCW, http://pastebin.com/jU0yBdrD
09:42<TCW>toad, sorry, busy right now
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09:47<toad>TCW, ok no problem
09:47<toad>i hope u will have remorse :D
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09:49<mattias>how do I mount ntfs file systems so that non-root users can use them?
09:49<Torsten_W>umask=0
09:49<brujii>hi
09:50<brujii>whatś your name?¿
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09:50<brujii>iḿ jill
09:50<brujii>waaau
09:50<brujii>ok
09:50<EmleyMoor>How can I "unhang" an internal DVD writer without rebooting?
09:50<brujii>who are you?¿
09:50<brujii>yess
09:50<titan8990>brujii: stop please
09:51<brujii>ok
09:51<brujii>but
09:51<brujii>speck to mi ok?¿
09:51<EmleyMoor>Getting Input/output error when ejecting, or wodim: The unit seems to be hung and needs power cycling.
09:52<brujii>okok
09:52<brujii>speak to miii plis?¿
09:52<brujii>one moment ok?
09:52<mattias>nice, thanks
09:52<brujii>ok
09:53<EmleyMoor>Only way I know is to reboot but I'd rather not... is there another way?
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09:53<brujii>but do you speak to mi?¿
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09:54<EmleyMoor>brujii: This is #debian - if you do not need assistance with Debian, this is very likely not the right place for you
09:56<brujii>no
09:56<brujii>tu nombre
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09:58<EmleyMoor>I have no option but to reboot, it seems
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10:10<EmleyMoor>Damn - reboot needed for sure
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10:14<brujii>yes for sure
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10:41<bremner_>!es-social brujii
10:41<dpkg>brujii: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
10:43<brujii>noooooo
10:43<brujii>jilipollass
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11:20<johnfg>hi guys
11:20<johnfg>I just realized that I don't have jre installed in this relatively new installation of debian lenny.
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11:21<johnfg>What's recommended: to install the sun-java6-jre deb package? Or, to get it directly from sun?
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11:22<titan8990>johnfg: you should install the package
11:22<johnfg>titan8990, You mean the dep package, right?
11:22<johnfg>deb?
11:22<karsten_>hello there, i' ve got to install a package with a lot of depencies on a computer which has no internet conenction. is it possible to download the package with all depencies on another?
11:22<jackyf>johnfg: it's always strongly recommended to try the package from repository first
11:23<johnfg>jackyf, OK guys, will do. Thanks!
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11:23<titan8990>johnfg: debian uses an alternatives system that will not work well at all with the upstream package from sun. use the debian provided package
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11:24<johnfg>titan8990, Ah, good point that I hadn't thought about, although I had to do similar with fedora.
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11:25<johnfg>titan8990, So, as I did for flashplayer, I'll probably have to run alternatives for jre?
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11:26<titan8990>johnfg: yes, but java has its own alternatives, update-java-alternatives
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11:27<johnfg>titan8990, That's the command to run, then? 'update-java-alternatives'?
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11:31<titan8990>johnfg: update-java-alternatives --list; update-java-alternatives --set <foo>
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11:36<johnfg>So, I want to use the java-6-sun vs. the java-gcj 1042?
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11:39<johnfg>titan8990, So does the plugin have to be set separately? I.e., updata-java-alternatives --plugin --set java-6-sun?
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11:42<johnfg>I think I'm not doing something right, as when i run the command as I entered above, it returns, No alternateves for <all the programs it's trying an alternative for>
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11:45<titan8990>johnfg: it goes through all the alternatives java could have
11:45<titan8990>johnfg: the sun-java6-plugin package is actually the one you want for browser plugin
11:46<titan8990>johnfg: the "No alternatives found for" is normal
11:47<johnfg>I'm used to the generic update-alternatives which shows which program is currently being used. I'm still not getting either epiphany or iceweasel to see/use the plugin.
11:47<johnfg>Am I missing something?
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11:48<titan8990>johnfg: you use update-java-alternatives, not the default one
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11:49<johnfg>titan8990, Right, and thanks for pointing that out. I ran, 'update-java-alternatives --plugin --list'
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11:52<titan8990>johnfg: you don't need to specify the plugin... did you install sun-java6-plugin?
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11:53<titan8990>if this is your first java install, update-java-alternatives is actually not needed... its not common for it to be the first java install as others often get pulled down for depends
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11:54<CQ>hello, I can't get these kernel headers installed: linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.30 but it is not installable
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11:54<johnfg>titan8990, Oops. It's installed now :-)
11:55<zhengyi>CQ: according to judd, there's no 2.6.30 kernel available
11:56<zhengyi>CQ: etch is on 2.6.18, lenny on 2.6.26, and backports has 2.6.32
11:56<titan8990>CQ: that is because you are running squeeze/sid and have not updated for a while
11:56<CQ>titan8990: wrong, it's because I can't get the .32 kernel running for me... everything else is up to date
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11:57<titan8990>CQ: what problems do you have?
11:57<zhengyi>oh dang, are you still dealing with the udev thing?
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11:57<titan8990>!udev squeeze
11:57<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>
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11:59<CQ>titan8990: let me see if I have a failure log in dmesg... the kernel starts loading, then just fails with what looks like an address map.
11:59<CQ>titan8990: or better yet a call trace of something... it's a hard hang so I see nothing above and can't scroll
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12:00<titan8990>CQ: is this in virtualbox?
12:00<johnfg>Thanks guys! I appreciate the help!
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12:01<CQ>titan8990: yup... just checked, dmesg doesn't show those boot attempts...
12:01<titan8990>!snapshots
12:01<dpkg>http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/ (soon to be http://snapshot.debian.org/) is an archive of all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained.
12:01<titan8990>CQ: you need to manually fetch the headers package
12:02<CQ>titan8990: which headers package, the 2.6.30, or is there something I can do to get to 2.6.32 ?
12:02<titan8990>CQ: .32 headers are worthless unless you are running the .32 kernel
12:02<titan8990>CQ: your headers version needs to match your kernel version
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12:03<CQ>titan8990: sorry, I know that, i mean is there a known bug with .32 and vbox, or do you have ideas on how to get it to work?
12:03<CQ>titan8990: or shoudl I stick to .30 for now?
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12:04<titan8990>CQ: I would stick with .30 until the bug is worked out
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12:06<CQ>titan8990: ok, will do.. I'll grab the headers then
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12:10<CQ>titan8990: no luck with the headers files... don't see them there anywhere for 2.6.30 ...
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12:11<gsimmons>CQ: They're there. Search on linux-2.6 and select 2.6.30-8 or 2.6.30-7 depending on your currently installed linux-image package.
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12:13<titan8990>CQ: http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/
12:13<titan8990>CQ: sure?
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12:28<CQ>titan8990: ah, I was under http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/linux-kernel-headers/
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12:31<CQ>titan8990: hm, http://snapshot-dev.debian.org/package/linux-2.6/2.6.30-2/ shows -1 headers, -2 headers are shown under -8 ... which ones are right??
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12:32<titan8990>CQ: what is the version of your package?
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12:34<asdtemp>hi
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12:35<CQ>titan8990: ah, got it ... ii linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 2.6.30-8squeeze1 Linux 2.6.30 image on AMD64 ... why does one say -2 and the package version -8 ??
12:35<asdtemp>does anyone know a way to reproduce/imitate gdm-guest-session from ubuntu in debian?
12:35<asdtemp>or is it easy as installing the ubuntu package?
12:36<titan8990>CQ: not sure. maybe its the 8th revision of the package but only the 2nd of that versions to released to the archives
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12:36<titan8990>asdtemp: you should *not* attempt to install ubuntu packages in debian
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12:38<asdtemp>why, titan8990 ?
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12:39<gsimmons>titan8990: No, the -2 in the binary package's name indicates the ABI ; /msg dpkg kernel abi
12:40<asdtemp>is there a good gui program for creating .debs?
12:40<titan8990>asdtemp: because those packages were not built on a debian system, nor have they been tested to work on a debian system
12:40<titan8990>asdtemp: no
12:41<titan8990>!nmg
12:41<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper
12:41<asdtemp>got it, thank you titan8990
12:41<titan8990>!ssb
12:41<dpkg>First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
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12:42<titan8990>asdtemp: ssb is a possibility but more than likely you would just want to ssb from another debian release
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12:42<asdtemp>thank you
12:43<asdtemp>so I should build the ubuntu source?
12:43<asdtemp>the special pkg I need I mean
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12:46<titan8990>that is not supported here. I have pointed out that it is possible but you are 100% on your own if you choose to do so
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12:47<asdtemp>got it, thank you titan8990
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13:07<asdtemp>titan8990, can that be done without adding it to sources.list?
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13:41<EmleyMoor>Well, I'm lucky - my DVD writer now seems OK. Had to actually poweroff earlier to make it work
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13:44<kie27>hiya all, i got an fsck error booting up my machine just now, is this something I should be worried about? http://pastebin.com/z5fF9KRD
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13:46<sney>kie27: unmount and run dosfsck on that partition manually and see if it still dies
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13:48<kie27>sney: thanks will do as soon as latest backup finishes
13:52<CQ>how can I get xargs to take filenames with spaces and see it as one filename and not space separated separate files?
13:53<sney>escape the space?
13:53<dkr>CQ: if you are getting the filenames from find you can do find . -print0 |xargs -0
13:53<CQ>sney with sed ?
13:53<CQ>dkr: coming from grep
13:54<titan8990>CQ: you need to quote your variable to prevent word splitting
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13:54<titan8990>CQ: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/WordSplitting
13:55<dkr>CQ: grep -l print * | tr '\n' '\0' |xargs -0
13:55<titan8990>CQ: are you trying to parse ls with grep?
13:55<dkr>I think
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13:56<rengil>i set up a homeserver where my users can put files on with samba. they don't have shell access, however I would like them (or anyone else on the network) to remotely poweroff the server without exposing anything else dangerous
13:56<CQ>titan8990: no, i have a list of files from fdupes that I filter with grep and want to remove...
13:57<rengil>poweroff is the only thing they should be able to run, and preferably in a nonintrusive manner (like not having to connect through a webmin, login, and do stuff there)
13:58<valdyn>rengil: whats the problem?
13:58<dkr>CQ: yeah, you want | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 I tested to make sure :)
13:58<valdyn>rengil: theres alot of obvious solutions
13:59<rengil>i dont know of any 'clean' and safe solution, the only thing I can come up with is have a netcat listener or something that waits for a connection and then runs poweroff
13:59<titan8990>CQ: something like: while read -r line; do rm "$line"; done < file-created-from-grep
13:59<valdyn>rengil: how is that not clean?
13:59<valdyn>rengil: what interfaces do you want your users to have for it?
14:00<CQ>titan8990: dkr thanks, will try in a few minutes
14:00<rengil>if i put this waiting for connection listener in rc.local, will this work? eg. does rc.local run after all modules have been loaded and the network interface is up?
14:01<valdyn>rengil: grep rc.local /etc/init.d/*
14:01<titan8990>find /etc/init.d/ -name 'rc.local'
14:01<titan8990>ah, nvm, hehe
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14:02<valdyn>rengil: but beside that, why do interfaces need to be up before you start that netcat server?
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14:03<rengil>i dont know, i thought "nc -lp1000" might fail if no network interface is up yet
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14:04<valdyn>rengil: anyway, you could write a fancy program that does what netcat already does. If this is enough "security" for you, netcat is fine
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14:05<rengil>netcat will probably suffice, its just for home, thanks ill try out some stuff with it
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14:25<toad>TCW, hey, are u here?
14:25<locklace>!u
14:25<dpkg>Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201
14:25<bja>!pie locklace
14:25*dpkg hits locklace in the face with a cream pie
14:26<toad>it's normal that i haven't a configuration file in my /etc/pam.d ?
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14:30*EmleyMoor just saw ne1 and has something to add
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14:32<EmleyMoor>But for now, it looks like my DVD writer has run off again - any way I can get it working without having to poweroff and start again?
14:32<valdyn>EmleyMoor: sata device?
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14:33<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Yes
14:33<valdyn>EmleyMoor: hotplug it
14:33<EmleyMoor>valdyn: Sadly that's not very practical - though I did think of that
14:34<EmleyMoor>I am very tempted to RMA it
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14:35<toad>someone can help me about my su problem? It suddenly doesn't work and always print 'authentification failed' whereas i'm sure that my password is right. I precise i'm abble to log on a root session by open a terminal (ALT+F1) and su work with switch like root->user but not with user->root or user->user.
14:36<icebrain>hey, why was the "Debian" string been removed from Iceweasel's User-Agent?
14:36<titan8990>toad: what about su -l
14:37<brick_proofpoint>why does xrandr always clone my screens even when i set --pos or --right-of ? screen is 3200x1200. xrandr 1.2.3 and x.org 7.3.
14:37<brick_proofpoint>i can turn the two displays on and off, but can't get a different image on each one yet.
14:37<toad>titan8990, no, same error
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14:37<bja>toad: how did you manage to erase the pam.d dir?
14:38<titan8990>toad: what does /var/log/auth.log say?
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14:38<titan8990>bja: I would expect that to also prevent login sessions on the TTY, not just su
14:38<EmleyMoor>icebrain: To provide a "like Firefox" to foor some naughty web sites
14:38<EmleyMoor>fool, even
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14:39<icebrain>EmleyMoor: isn't it possible to put the two?
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14:39<titan8990>if you get the user agent plugin you can get it to send whatever you want
14:40<EmleyMoor>icebrain: I would have thought it was better not to let it get too long
14:40<toad>hum, i clear my auth.log content and now when i use su -l and when i get the error, nothing is printed in my auth.log <<
14:40<icebrain>titan8990: yeah, but it's yet another extension; well, I'll probably do it anyway
14:40<icebrain>EmleyMoor: yeah, I guess so. Thanks
14:41<EmleyMoor>PrefBar has good UA switching
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14:42<dr|z3d>user agent switcher is also helpful.. you'll probably want to search for the xml ua list if you use it.
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14:42<dr|z3d>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59
14:42<icebrain>I've just found the bts bug which talks about it. I find the security risk argument a little far fetched, but ok
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14:44<icebrain>ops, I just found out it's rather old, and tagged wontfix, so it's not about the current change
14:45<toad>i precise i have recently set right of all my system files to root for correctly organize the rights afterwards. This maybe for what i have this error?
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14:46<icebrain>another question: is there any SyncML server in Debian, besides Funambol which uses hundreds of megas of ram?
14:46<toad>what rights the pam.d directory need?
14:47<hostname> etc/pam.d is 0755 on lenny
14:47<toad>hostname, yeah but i chown root on all my directory
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14:48<toad>so, i will set the rights on pam.d
14:48<toad>and test again
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14:49<toad>always the same error <<
14:51<toad>maybe a reconfiguration or a reinstallation of PAM module can solve my problem? I need you're help ^^
14:51<toad>your*
14:53<shaola>toad: and why don't you try?
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14:53<toad>shaola, it's maybe a bad idea.
14:53<toad>:D
14:53<shaola>why?
14:53<toad>i don't now, that's why i wanna ask before
14:54<shaola>toad: what do you think could happen if you reinstall it?
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14:56<toad>shaola, maybe create a collapsar arond my desk
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14:57<shaola>that is not gonna happen. In the worst case you could lose some changes if you did personalize configurations
14:57<shaola>just backup them
14:59<toad>shaola, the PAM modules are contening in different paquets?
14:59<toad>i've listed all paquets contening 'pam' in them name
14:59<toad>i've to reconfigure all of them?
15:00<shaola>???? aptitude search pam | grep modules
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15:01<shaola>but the files in etc are in package libpam-runtime
15:01<shaola>you could search it with apt-file or synaptic
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15:02<toad>shaola, ok, i've reconfigured it. But my dpkg -l command return a paquet named libpam-modules but when i type dpkg-reconfigure libpam-modules it's return that this paquet is not installed on the system
15:04<shaola>i'm sorry toad, i haven't read your problem from the beginning
15:04<shaola>i don't know what is your problem
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15:04<shaola>i was only answering if reinstaling could be bad or not
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15:07<titan8990>shaola: from what I picked up he borked system-wide perms
15:07<titan8990>like a chown -R root:root / or similar
15:08<shaola>wtf?
15:09<shaola>so you are trying to restore all de rigths in the system?
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15:10<Guest1419>hey guys. has anyone tried to make a live CD from your Debian operating system before?
15:10<beij_>klaus knopper ....
15:11<shaola>cloning the host system? or just doing your own livecd?
15:11<shaola>it's very easy to do that
15:11<Guest1419>cloning your host system so it can be a live CD
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15:11<Guest1419>can you do that?
15:11<shaola>it's easy, man lh_config
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15:13<shaola>yes you can
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15:15<Guest1419>debian has thought of everything
15:16<Guest1419>you can make a live cd of your host system to carry around with you. you never have to use another operating system again even on other people computeres
15:16<wrksx>I found that I could use this to transfert files from a server:
15:16<wrksx> ssh server "cat file" > local_file
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15:16<wrksx>But can it be used to send files to the server ?
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15:16<shaola>wrksx: ????
15:17<slush>wrksx: scp
15:17<shaola>isn't better scp?
15:17<cahoot>scp?
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15:17<wrksx>I'll take a look thanks
15:18<braindrain>can someone give me a hint what might be going on here: http://noodles.pastebin.com/ZP2Pp7WG
15:18<braindrain>install git... ok... which git? none
15:19<beij_>there is more than one git?
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15:19<toad>shaola, i do chown -R / root. You think it's for what i've problem with PAM modules?
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15:20<locklace>braindrain: no idea what that package is, but it's definitely not git as in www.git-scm.com
15:20<braindrain>oh great
15:20<braindrain>name-space fail
15:21<locklace>braindrain: the right package for the latter is git-core
15:21<braindrain>git: nothing appropriate.
15:21<locklace>,versions git-core
15:21<judd>git-core -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch1; etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch4; lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny1; etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 1:1.6.5-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:1.7.0-1; sid: 1:1.7.0.3-1
15:21<braindrain>inconceivable!
15:21<shaola>toad: why did you do somehing like that?
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15:23<braindrain>shaola: to go on a "wild ride" ?
15:23<shaola>i cannot help you fixing that. It's like jumping from a 4th floor and ask to a doctor to fix your broken legs in one week (if you survive)
15:23<braindrain>oh wait, that's MR. toad I was thinking of
15:24<toad>shaola, hum i thought is a good way for secure my debian system to set all file on root and after set right on files for others users
15:24<toad>it's not a god idea hum? :D
15:24<toad>goode*
15:24<shaola>it's ok to think by yourself, but much better read manuals before typing commands you don't now what the do
15:26<shaola>you better reinstall your system and read some manuals
15:26<braindrain>or just press the "undo" button
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15:27<Guest1419>shaola:thanks just read over that command
15:27<Guest1419>reallyeasy
15:28<shaola>do you want a good manual for live_helper?
15:28<Guest1419>found one on the internet
15:28<shaola>http://live.debian.net/manual/pdf/live-manual.pdf
15:28<shaola>that one?
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15:30<shaola>Guest1419: are you using lenny? squeeze?
15:30<shaola>there are some diferences between them in live_helper
15:31<Guest1419>shaola: lenny
15:31<shaola>the most importan is that lh_config in lenny, in squeeze becomes lh config
15:31<shaola>lh_config is a command in lenny, but in squeeze config is a parameter of lh
15:31<Guest1419>oh ok
15:31<shaola>ok
15:31<shaola>forget it then
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15:31<Guest1419>cool thanks
15:31<Guest1419>a million
15:31<shaola>;)
15:32<wrksx>do you know sthing about writing to ntfs with lenny ?
15:32<shaola>ntfs-3g
15:33<shaola>mounting partitions with ntfs only gives you the posibility of reading
15:33<shaola>you have to mount with ntfs-3g
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15:34<wrksx>pretty cool thx. I suppose I need to install the package
15:34<wrksx>first ?
15:34<Guest1419>you have to let your kernel know what is ntfs
15:34<shaola>of course, unless you want to write by yourshelg the sourcecode and compile
15:35<Guest1419>so that is why you need the package
15:35<wrksx>=)
15:35<wrksx>by the way
15:35<wrksx>scp is great !
15:35<wrksx>but is there a speed diference with FTP ?
15:35<shaola>ftp is faster i guess
15:36<shaola>because scp use encripted conexion
15:36<wrksx>ok
15:36<wrksx>thanks
15:36<shaola>but i don't think that the difference it's to high
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15:37<shaola>did i mention that english is not my language?
15:38<shaola>excuse my errors :P
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15:40<shaola>wrksx: you can use scp with konqueror (fish protocol) and nautilus also.
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15:41<Zomb>or filezilla
15:43<cr3_>what will happen if i download&compile e17 from svn if i've got e16 installed?
15:44<beij_>i truely cant tell you
15:45<shaola>e16 from repositories?
15:45<cr3_>yes
15:45<cr3_>but there's no e17 in stable repo
15:45<shaola>i am not sure because it's a window manager
15:45<shaola>but compiled programs go to /usr/local/bin
15:45<cr3_>if i add unstable mirrors only to install e17 then everything will mess up
15:45<shaola>and repositorie's ines go to /usr/bin
15:46<shaola>so you can have the oficial program and compiled one without conflicts
15:46<cr3_>ok thx
15:46<cr3_>so i'll try to compile it :D
15:46<shaola>and launch one or the other
15:47<edhunter>cr3_: do make sure that the build/run time dependencies versions you have actually work with e17 from the svn
15:50<cr3_>i think im too lazy for that
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16:04<toad>shaola, reinstall my system? oO
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16:05<toad>and what munal you wanted me to read? The chown man? I did it
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16:07<toad>but it's not a problem, my computer is lab. I try lot a of think for learn more about GNU/Linux and open source
16:07<toad>thanks for helping ,)
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16:10<shaola>do you really know what yo've done?
16:10<shaola>you have changed the owner of every file in your system
16:11<shaola>inlcuding your home and all users files in the system
16:11<shaola>if you haven reboot yet you did not realize how severe is your problem
16:12<shaola>you won't be able to run X
16:12<shaola>i am sure that pam issue is not the only one you have
16:12<shaola>everything can be fixed in debian
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16:12<shaola>but you have to consider the work you have to do
16:13<shaola>does it deserve?
16:13<shaola>i mean
16:13<shaola>you have to change the owner of every file in the system, one by one
16:14<shaola>and you have to discover wich owner correspond (is it correspond the rigth word?) to each file
16:14<shaola>i think i readed one time that there was a script that makes that for you
16:14<shaola>but i am not sure
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16:15<shaola>you con google for it
16:15<shaola>if you are learning and you want to, you can try to fix it
16:15<shaola>but if i were you i would reinstall the system
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16:21<Guest1419>anyone ever try this site out
16:21<Guest1419>http://www.linux-live.org/
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16:46<TCW>shaola, you didn't realise that he was looong gone? :)
16:46<shaola>XDDD, i did too late
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16:47<TCW>shaola, but it was a nice speech nevertheless ;)
16:47<simonrvn>should probably save it somewhere :P
16:47<shaola>really? my english is not as good enough as i would like
16:48<shaola>i am glad you liked it, my ego is growing up rigth now
16:48<TCW>shaola, the grammar does not matter that much as long as the message comes through :)
16:49<TCW>shaola, and me personally, I like speeches where the intention sounds like "You moron!" :D
16:49<shaola>ups, now it's going down again (my ego)
16:49<TCW>hehe
16:49<bja>!tell shaola about es
16:50<shaola>i am a little bit pissed off in the forum I used to be
16:50<TCW>Forums (bulletin boards?) suck
16:50<shaola>no, esDebian
16:50<shaola>spanish forum
16:51<shaola>when i registered there it was so different
16:51<bja>yes, there is one down there :)
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16:51<TCW>you mean channel?
16:51<shaola>no, i mean the forum. esDebian.org
16:51<shaola>to many hoygans
16:51<shaola>do you know waht hoygan is?
16:52<shaola>but i guess that debian-es chanel is the same
16:52<bja>nop
16:52<shaola>looks like spanish speaking people is so lazy
16:52<bja>take a look, if you don't like it, then you can allways /part that particular channel
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16:53<TCW>shaola, I guess the spanish IRC guys and gals are in general more or less ok... :)
16:53<bja>!beer TCW
16:53*dpkg pours a pint of Piraat for TCW
16:54<shaola>i am not talking about people that use to be there
16:54<shaola>i am talking about casual users
16:55<TCW>ALL casual users just suck, some more than others, but in general they suck... doesn't matter where they come from :)
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16:55<kie27>hiya all, how can I get the attention of a package maintainer, I would like him to apply a 2 line fix to 2 files for an old bug (that I filed over 2 years ago) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469698
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16:55<TCW>kie27, write him a mail?
16:56<kie27>i cc'd him on the fix for the email listed for the package maintainer, tried a couple of other emails for him that I found but they both bounced
16:56<shaola>TCW: i am not so sure about that
16:57<Zomb>kie27: he might have joined the MIA team
16:57<kie27>Zomb: :(
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16:59<TCW>shaola, I tend to see it that way, sad but true.
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17:02<kie27>Could I request another debian developer to apply the fix? It is an obvious 2 liner, clearly described in the bug report.
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17:10<chealer>kie27: you add the "patch" tag to the bug report.
17:10<kie27>Zomb: If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire... The MIA-Team.
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17:13<simonrvn>get someone else to nmu the thing
17:14<kie27>chealer: sure, just another email with the header Tag: patch?
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17:16<blueVenom>i need help with a cisco pcmcia aironet 340 wifi card...it keeps telling me that uknown address type 801
17:17<sdk>I'm trying to build a log server, and I'm pretty close. I've got error logs replicated to a remote host via sshfs and ln and basic php in place, but when the browser loads the log in question, since the log has no EOF per se, the browser continues to try and load thereby hosing the browser. I'm using PHP. Can someone suggest a method to resolve this challenge?
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17:17<sdk>Oh, sorry, I didn't mention, I'm trying to load the logs to apache2.
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17:21<kie27>done
17:21<kie27>night all
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17:23<blueVenom>i need help with a cisco pcmcia aironet 340 wifi card...it keeps telling me that uknown address type 801
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17:37<TCW>sdk, copy the growing files every N seconds or minutes (cronjob)
17:37<TCW>and let apache serve those copies
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17:41<sdk>TCW: Yeah, I'd thought of that, but that's sort of a kludge to me. If something happens to the system to cause an outage, unless the update is happening every half second or so, important data may be missed. There's got to be a way to tell PHP to not continuously .. another kludge would be to have <whatever> write and EOF to the log at the end of each line.Nahh.. hmm. how does tail work?
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17:44<TCW>sdk, I don't get why you could miss anything? In the worst case you would get the messages N seconds / minutes later
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18:12<meowcats>omg iphone OS 4.0!!!!
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18:15<amphi>what about it?
18:15<@Ganneff>!ot
18:15<dpkg>Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
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19:26<bja>Is it possible to make pam more verbose on its loggings?
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19:26<bja>If so, how?
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19:53<mercutio22>Hi.
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19:53<mercutio22>Would it be possible to transfer an entire folder to a remote machine via scp?
19:54<shifty>helpattacked: why "grep 80" ?
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19:55<shifty>mercutio22: use the -r flag
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19:57<shifty>HelpAttacked: try "netstat -ntp |awk '{print $4}'|sed 's/:.*//'|sort|uniq -c"
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19:58<mercutio22>shifty: thanks.
19:58<mercutio22>brb
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20:00<mercutio22>exit
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20:02<dlublink>hey
20:03<dlublink>when using the debian installer, if the installer finds a corrupt package, instead of failing the installation, why can't it download it from a repository ?
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20:05<shifty>dlublink: err, but didn't the corrupt package come from the repoistory in the first place?
20:05<dlublink>No
20:06<shifty>aptitude purge badpackage and start again?
20:06<dlublink>I am using ubuntu ( debian based ) installer. All the packages are on the ISO, but either I scratched the CD or my cdrom drive is bad
20:06<shifty>oh that's anoying
20:06<dlublink>yea
20:07<shifty>ok, lots of ways to work around this
20:07<dlublink>This time it's not so bad, I can probably find another CD.
20:07<dlublink>But sometimes this happens to me at 2am in a datacentre, and I have no extra CDs
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20:08<shifty>what about do a minimal install (hopefully the badpackage doesn't get installed). then you point sources.list at Canonical and off you go.
20:08<dlublink>I am using mount -o loop with a tmpfs drive with downloaded packages to work around the issue
20:08<shifty>ah, well looks like you've solved it :-)
20:08<dlublink>But I think it would be a useful option in the debian installer if it did this automatically
20:09<dlublink>for those unfortunate souls who are too tired to find a solution
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20:10<dlublink>by debian installer, I mean that wonderful blue/grey/red interface for installing Debian and debian based linices
20:10<shifty>it would kind of depend at what point the package started to fail. after networking is up, there wouldn't be a problem.
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20:10<dlublink>Yes
20:11<dlublink>Obviously, it could not work without networking
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20:11<dlublink>but since networking is done pretty early, I think it would be worth considering adding this into the installer
20:12<dlublink>for steps after install
20:12<dlublink>a -fail-over-to-minimal-install option
20:12<dlublink>something like that
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20:13<shifty>i remember having a ISP with a shonky mirror, and I tried to get apt to download by preference from the mirror first and then the debian servers. didn't have much luck, it involved too much apt-pinning for comfort.
20:13<shifty>it would be nice if the package failed, it attempted to get it from the web
20:14<dlublink>or something more generic, you specify three sources. 1. CDROM, 2. Shonky mirror 3. Debian servers
20:15<dlublink>if it fails on the first, it fails to the second
20:15<dlublink>and than to the third and continues until it either works or all the servers were tried
20:15<shifty>apparently pinning can do that, but i've never been able to work it out
20:16<dlublink>a few years ago I was on Gentoo, and they had pinning. It worked well. trouble is I spent more time doing upgrades than I ever did using my computer
20:16<shifty>anyone here know how to convince hunspell to check against my personal dictionary?
20:16<dlublink>btw, I just got to the end of the "Install Base System" with my mount -o loop w/ tmpfs trick
20:17<shifty>see - if you didn't have trouble you wouldn't feel happy about fighting and winning :-)
20:17<dlublink>I downloaded the debs in a tmpfs folder, and mounted them over the corrupted directories on the CD :D
20:18<shifty>? and it created a union?
20:18<dlublink>No
20:18<simonrvn>'then'
20:18<shifty>please explain further?
20:18<dlublink>By mounting over the directories on the CD, it doesn't see the corrupt files, it sees my tmpfs
20:18<dlublink>cd /mytmpfs
20:19<shifty>oh, as in ONLY your tmpfs, not the debs on the CD
20:19<dlublink>wget http://server/mycorruptpackage.deb
20:19<dlublink>mount /mytmpfs /cdrom/pool/mail/p/procps -o loop
20:19<dlublink>and ran the base installer
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20:20<dlublink>it's in "Select and install software" now
20:20<dlublink>I hope there are no other corrupt packages...
20:21<shifty>ok, got it now - you replace a single part of the pool tree with a good file by mounting over the top.
20:21<dlublink>Yes
20:21<dlublink>and I used tmpfs so it would not get in the way of my partitioning and formatting
20:21<shifty>use the CD for your morning coffee at end of shift. a nice hot cup.
20:21<dlublink>too bad I do not drink coffee
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20:28<mercutio22>hey
20:29<mercutio22>nvm
20:31<dlublink>hey
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20:40<piero>Hi! How can I add the option to extract files in the nautilus right-click menu? Which packet I need to install?
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20:44<dkr>piero: unzip?
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20:44<dlublink>worst install ever, I might just cry...
20:45<piero>dkr, I already have unzip, unrar, bzip2 and gzip installed. But the nautilus haven't that option in the "right-click" menu to extract files. So every time I want to extract something I must open a terminal.
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20:46<dkr>piero: hrm, I have that option. looking at my installed packages to see what might be giving it
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20:46<piero>thanks dkr
20:46<dkr>piero: do you have "archive manager" as the open option on right-click menu?
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20:47<piero>dkr, yes
20:47<abrotman>piero: file-roller ?
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20:47<piero>abrotman, installing..
20:47<dkr>yeah, i was just about to suggest that file-roller
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20:48<dkr>fyi, found via: dpkg -l | grep arch | grep -i gnome
20:48<piero>yes! It was file-roller! It's working now
20:48<dkr>cool
20:48<piero>thanks men
20:49<mercutio22>I just saw a guide to do something called apt-pinning: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html. It tells me to edit /etc/apt/preferences which does not exist yet. There is however a /etc/apt/preferences.d directory. I wonder if the guide is outdated
20:49<piero>Now, do you know which packets I should want to install from debian-multimedia repository? I want to have support for every video/audio codec as possible
20:50<mercutio22>any suggestions about how to proceed?
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21:29<Rhapsody>Recently it seems I've suddenly lost a part of the GIMP. Before there was always a zoom control at the bottom of the image window, allowing me to zoom in and out with ease. It's now vanished, I've no idea how to get it back, and it has made using the GIMP a LOT harder.
21:29<Rhapsody>Can I get it back or do I need to go and tell the developers they're as stupid as the Plasma devs?
21:30<Rhapsody>Well, nearly as stupid.
21:30<abrotman>might be helpful if you give us "dpkg -l gimp"
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21:30<Rhapsody>What part of the output are you interested in?
21:31<abrotman>the version number
21:31<abrotman>it's possible it's changed in the version you have
21:31<Rhapsody>2.6.8-2
21:31<abrotman>judd: versions gimp
21:31<judd>gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4; etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4; lenny: 2.4.7-1; sid: 2.6.8-2; squeeze: 2.6.8-2
21:31<abrotman>Rhapsody: on my GIMP, there is still a dropdown in the lower toolbar for zoom
21:31<Rhapsody>So it's not a feature, that's good at least.
21:32<abrotman>Under 'View', what is the status of "Show Statusbar" ?
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21:33<Rhapsody>Active. The status bar is there, literally the only difference is that the zoom control isn't.
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21:33<abrotman>so you have the other dropdown with the px/inches/etc ?
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21:35<Rhapsody>Ah, I forgot about that because I don't use it often. So no, all I see right now is "Background (7.1 MB)" on the image I'm working with. Otherwise it's totally blank.
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21:38<abrotman>you may have to ask #gimp on freenode or gimpnet if there's some hidden option that i can't find .. but i do have those items .. or you could move your .gimp aside
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21:41<suri>Hi all..I m using debian(lenny) in gnome, i want to run a kde game of its latest version but i have its old version could you please tell me how to get it?
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21:46<dutchfish>suri: there is no easy solution, what game are you talking about?
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21:50<suri>dutchfish, khangman, i m trying to do this from the last week and didnt yet succeded! :-(
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21:50<dutchfish>suri: you can either backport the game or upgrade to testing, both need some skills to pull it of
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21:51<suri>dutchfish, could you please help me regarding it
21:51<dutchfish>suri: or maybe there is a backport already in bpo
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21:52<suri>dutchfish, how to check whether there is a backport in bpo?
21:52<dutchfish>suri: a sec
21:52<suri>dutchfish, ok
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21:53<dutchfish>there is none in bpo but http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdeedu.html
21:54<dutchfish>suri: are you on lenny i386 or amd64?
21:54<sanxiyn>I have a question:
21:54<sanxiyn>why does Debian have *both* fckeditor and ckeditor?
21:55<suri>dutchfish, lenny i386
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21:55<dutchfish>suri: i think considering to upgrade to testing is the easiest way, because the newer versions need kde4
21:56<dutchfish>suri: so backporting would be a pita
21:56<suri>dutchfish, ok..how to do that?
21:57<dutchfish>suri: depends on what is already installed and your skills, dist-upgrade, you should read the notes about it how to do it
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21:59<suri>dutchfish, can you provide me the link to notes?
21:59<dutchfish>sure
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22:00<dutchfish>http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html
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22:03<suri>dutchfish, ok..i will go through it
22:05*dutchfish is looking for a better doc
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22:06<dutchfish>suri: bare in mind tho, that squeeze is still testing, it might contain bugs
22:06<anonymousdogg>hi
22:07<suri>dutchfish, does it crash?
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22:07<dutchfish>it might or not, not at my install atm
22:07<dutchfish>!testing
22:07<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
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22:07<abrotman>!tell suri about lenny->squeeze
22:08<dutchfish>abrotman: thanks
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22:09<suri>abrotman, i didnt have any sound knowledge about debian as i m newbie..so could youplease tell me how to upgrade it?
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22:11<k\t>abrotman, wtf...
22:12<abrotman>suri: the bot just did ?
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22:12<k\t>motd
22:12*abrotman wonders what k\t is on about ...
22:12<k\t>oh, this is oftc... ok.
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22:13<k\t>no, i see abrotman around on/at _other_ places...
22:13<abrotman>other ?
22:13<k\t>assuming its the same guy...
22:13<abrotman>k\t: i'm nowhere near your ISP
22:13<k\t>fnode
22:13<abrotman>yes, that is me also .. i thought you meant IRL
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22:13<k\t>no...... not in real life..
22:14<k\t>anyways, hi`za's =)
22:14<k\t>basically, HI!
22:14<dutchfish>suri: another option if you don't feel confident about it, is too simply wait till squeeze is ready
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22:15<dutchfish>suri: seams a bit harsh to just upgrade a distribution for one game
22:15*k\t feels like an example of cat and mouse (using screen to manage diff. irc networks)
22:16<dutchfish>suri: but that's up to you
22:17<suri>dutchfish, but i m in urgent need of it :-(
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22:17<dutchfish>suri: as much as i like to help you, there is no magic wand in here
22:17<adb>suri, lenny don't do the 'job' ?
22:18<dutchfish>adb: he want's khangman game from kde4
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22:18<adb>lenny's KHangMan
22:18<suri>adb, yes
22:19<suri>adb, of latest version an di m using 3.5 around want it in 4.4.x
22:19<adb>!sns
22:19<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
22:19*dutchfish makes a note of that one :)
22:20<sanxiyn>adb: Nice factoid to remember
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23:06<ArcAngel>anyone wish to help?
23:07<gsimmons>ArcAngel: Only if you can be more specific.
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23:07<ArcAngel>how can you install flash on Ubuntu??
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23:08<ArcAngel>i tried but it keeps coming up ith some weird error
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23:08<gsimmons>ArcAngel: Ubuntu is not supported here, you would want #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net.
23:08<ArcAngel>ahh ok lol
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23:09<ArcAngel>my bad forgot about tht :)
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23:50<chefman>anyone run into the issue with the MSI Wind L1350 not being able to turn oon bluetooth (laptop) with the Fn+F11 key, it only turns on the wifi
23:51<chiqui>hi, im study /etc/inittab and i found a line with this info getty 38400 tty1 already know that is my first virtual console but i want to know what menas the 38400
23:51<sney>chiqui: backwards compatibility, or just grandfather features
23:51<sney>read up on serial console
23:52<sney>chefman: acpi hotkey support is a work in progress for many laptop models
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23:53<chefman>sney: sounds good, i am new to linux and couldnt really find much info on it
23:53<chefman>sney: i found a work around was to turn it in if you were duel booting in another OS then back to linux, but i cant do that one
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