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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-04-07

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00:57<Hello>hi
00:57<chefman>hi hello
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02:08<nikola>how do i get info on command like "cd"?
02:11<nikola>man, info, apropos, whatis, --help does not give almost no info
02:12<jm_>nikola: in bash type "help cd"
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02:13<nikola>haha
02:13<nikola>thank you
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02:40<pjoshi>i've rsync -avz --exclude=proc/* --exclude=/sys/* / anotherserver:/serverimg
02:41<pjoshi>i manage to install the OS on a workstation through rsync -avz /serverimg/* /
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02:41<pjoshi>now when i reboot it boots normally.. but no files in /sys/ and /proc/.. as we exclude
02:42<pjoshi>my eth0 is also not coming up..
02:42<pjoshi>anyone with soludtion
02:43<sney>never seen anyone clone a workstation with rsync before. interesting.
02:43<sney>mount /proc and /sys, they're important.
02:43<pjoshi>most of the workstation/servers in our orgn. is done in this way..
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02:44<pjoshi>they r mounted but no files/folder under these directory..
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02:44<sney>if there's nothing there then they aren't mounted properly. try again.
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02:47<pjoshi>when i do lsmod i see no modules loaded..
02:47<jm_>that's because /proc is empty
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02:47<pjoshi>this could be the reason for my network not working..
02:47<jm_>i.e. no /proc/modules
02:47<sney>again, mount /proc and /sys, they're important.
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02:48<qabulin>im setting up a mailserver for the first time. i was curious of which ports i should open in my firewall to allow incoming emails from other individuals?
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02:48<pjoshi>what could be the reason for cat /proc/module .. its empty..
02:49<pjoshi>how can i load modules on startup..
02:49<pjoshi>sney.. i can see /proc mounted and so as /
02:50<pjoshi>/dev/hda1 /... proc /proc
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02:51<sney>you can load modules manually with /etc/modules. a working system will load most of the modules it needs manually, but maybe your system isn't working.
02:51<sney>that is, a working system will load them automatically
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02:53<pjoshi>ok.. let me re-clone it again..
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02:58<jm_>qabulin: grep smtp /etc/services
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03:24<matrix17>hi
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04:01<CRp>hey all
04:01<CRp> need to ask a question how do i restore my deskotp to its original settings
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04:03<dr|z3d>CRp: Create a new user.
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04:50<Lareth>Hello, how can I install more than one version of glibc?
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04:51<jm_>why?
04:52<Lareth>I just installed Ext Designer and it searches for GLIBC_2.9 or 2.10
04:52<Lareth>I checked that 2.11 is installed
04:52<Lareth>but for some reason it does not work
04:52<jm_>then complain to people who provide that application
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04:53<jm_>you can put it somewhere where no other app finds it and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH or whatever
04:53<jm_>but install it with dpkg/apt
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04:54<Lareth>ok thanks a lot
04:54<jm_>sorry DON'T install it with dpkg/apt
04:54<Lareth>I'll wait for an answer first.. I just wanted to know if it is possible
04:54<locklace>it's possible, but exceedingly lame
04:54<jm_>yeah it is doable, but not just one simple command
04:54<Lareth>right. I figured.
04:55<Ox90>check out man ld.so
04:55<locklace>if you find yourself needing to do it, something has gone wrong. usually the brains of the application developers
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04:56<Lareth>:)
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05:47<eshat>Hey all, after upgrading X.org my udev synaotics rules for tabing and scrolling do not work, any ideas?
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05:54<paparsifal>hi all
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05:55<paparsifal>i've a strange DNS problem
05:55<paparsifal>i can dig, nslookup or host google.com
05:56<paparsifal>but whent i ping, ssh, ftp or telnet it says that the hostname cannot be resolved
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05:56<paparsifal>it seems that ping, ssh, ftp, etc.. are not doing dns lookup at all
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05:56<paparsifal>someone has an idea about what can cause thos problem ?
05:57<paparsifal>it was working fine until this morning cron.daily
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05:57<dr|z3d>paparsifal: dns failure, usually. is your dns correctly configured?
05:57<paparsifal>yes
05:57<paparsifal>nslookup works
05:57<paparsifal>i've put google dns
05:57<paparsifal>8.8.8.8
05:57<paparsifal>in my resolv.conf
05:58<paparsifal>when i ping with ip address it works well
05:58<dr|z3d>Yeah, so dns is somehow failing.
05:58<paparsifal>onky it doesn't resolve when i ping dns names
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05:58<dr|z3d>Can you try taking the network adapter down and back up with pump or ifdown or your network manager.
05:59<paparsifal>the strange thing is that when i use dig or host or nslookup, it finc the correct ip addresses
05:59<paparsifal>the server is in a data center, i'm connected remotely
06:00<jm_>look at nsswitch etc.
06:00<paparsifal>nsswitch is ok
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06:00<paparsifal>hosts in nsswitch is file dns
06:01<paparsifal>i've seen several post on forums of people with exact smae probelm, but none with a solution
06:02<jm_>is nscd used?
06:02<paparsifal>non
06:02<paparsifal>no
06:03<jm_>in that case check how they perform a lookup
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06:03<jm_>bbl
06:03<paparsifal>how can i do that
06:04<paparsifal>tcpdump ?
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06:08<Xk2c>hello, someone knows which packages contains the 'ar' binary?
06:08<weasel>binutils
06:08<Xk2c>thanks a lot weasel
06:14<Xk2c>bye
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06:23<Ox90>quick poll if you don't mind, Size of your kernels please!
06:25<jm_>paparsifal: or strace
06:25<paparsifal>i've done a networking restart
06:25<paparsifal>and i've lost connection
06:25<paparsifal>i'm hard rebooting the machine
06:26<jm_>Ox90: 1.5M custom kernel
06:26<paparsifal>wainting to get back online
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06:36<domenico>#ubuntu-it-ops
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06:47<hearit>hello
06:47<hearit>perl has got a framework like django_--
06:47<hearit>??
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06:47<wrksx>hi all
06:48<wrksx>ssh keep closing the connection, sthing like a timeout.
06:49<wrksx>does someone knows sthing about this ?
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06:50<Ox90>wrksx, is idleTimoute configured in sshd_config?
06:51<Ox90>idleTimeout*
06:52<wrksx> sshd_config? is this a file in etc ?
06:52<hawk>wrksx: yes
06:52<wrksx>on the seerver you mean ?
06:53<Ox90>wrksx, thats correct
06:53<wrksx>I'll take a look
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06:57<wrksx><Ox90> the file doesn't contain idleTimeout
06:57<wrksx>shall I add it ?
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07:00<Ox90>wrksx, you could try adding it and setting to 0, though if it isn't there im unsure as to the default behavior
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07:02<wrksx>#ClientAliveInterval 0
07:02<wrksx>#ClientAliveCountMax 3
07:02<hollo>hi.. i was wondering why all of my coworkers.. ubuntu, windows and so on is getting recognized by their hostname.. this is without DNS.. but now me.. and im just running a basic debian.. are there anything i would need to setup, or is my question not understandable..
07:02<linuxguy>hi, Ive got upto date squeeze installed, pc has been working fine for a couple of weeks, but ive just booted it up, i got splashy screen and log-in screen, but during the part where the icons fade to the desktop, the screen goes white, then just black, all i can do is move the mouse, has KDM crashed here please?
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07:03<locklace>hollo: your question is incomprehensible, at least to me
07:03<hollo>for instance on the firewall.. in the arp table.. all the other has their hostnames listed, but not me.. i have just the ip-addr.. this is without reverse DNS.. so dont know if anyone know anything about this..
07:04<locklace>there are only a few options for hostname resolution, controlled by /etc/nsswitch.conf or equivalent on systems where it exists
07:04<locklace>the most common ones are dns and "files" (/etc/hosts)
07:05<hollo>i have just added myself to /etc/hosts.. before i was in 127.0.1.1, now i moved myself from this to my external ip-addr.. or LAN ip-addr.. it might help on the problem
07:05<hollo>locklace, but nsswitch.. i will have to read up on this.. thank you.
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07:07<wrksx>I tried to mmake a change in the file /etc/sshd_config, I maybe need to restart sshd in order to use new configfile ?
07:07<locklace>wrksx: sending it SIGHUP is sufficient
07:08<wrksx>how to ?
07:08<wrksx>never heard about sighup
07:09<locklace>pkill -HUP sshd
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07:12<wrksx>thx
07:12<locklace>wrksx: or "invoke-rc.d ssh reload" if you want to be all high-level
07:13<wrksx>thx I used the pkill line
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07:25<clin>i have a stupid question. when exec `cat xaa | clamscan -` (xaa is an infected virus sample), my understanding is that - will be replaced by the content of xaa. but why can't i pass the content of e.g. xaa directly like clamscan ... (where ... is the binary data of xaa)
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07:28<jm_>clin: not really, - is usually interpreted as "read from stdin"
07:30<Arrowmaster>`clamscan < xaa` might also work
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07:32<clin>jm_: so can i directly pass in data to stdin from programe (e.g. `calmscan -`)? or how can i do that in simliar way?
07:32<jm_>clin: to stdin of an app yes - if it supports it of course
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07:33<jm_>clin: man page says: clamscan [options] [file/directory/-] so 'clamscan xaa' shall work
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07:34<jm_>ahh man page explicitely lists it in examples section ;)
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07:34<clin>jm_: but that looks like only works if xaa is a file and exists in file system.
07:35<jm_>clin: indeed
07:35<clin>i see. thank you. : )
07:36<Aleric>Hi, does anyone know if it is safe to use the driver/installer directly from the nvidia's website on debian? My video card starts to lock up after an hour of 3D usage... it locks up more frequently and faster than it did a while ago. I think I might suffer from the over heating problem that is solved in the latest version 195.36.15, but that version is not available from 'unstable'.
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07:36<jm_>Aleric: not supported in #debian
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07:37<jm_>but should it work? yes, although who knows what happens on upgrades etc.
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07:37<Aleric>I know, but you could tell me if you knew about problems by using their installer :/. It's not like I'm running 'unstable'. I'm just saying that that driver isn't available as debian package.
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07:39<jm_>ubuntu has 195.36 so perhaps take their source packages and build your own
07:39<Aleric>Oh, thanks :) Great idea
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07:47<Aleric>jm_: Are you sure ubuntu has it? I Googled a bit, but I can't find it :/ .. only forums where people talk about installing/uninstalling the driver using nvidia's pkg2.run file
07:47<mjk>How can I check (on Lenny!) if a package has been put on hold? I can't see anything with "aptitude show <pkg>" or "dpkg -l <pkg>". On a current stable, "aptitude show <pkg>" says "State: installed [held]", but not on Lenny. :-/
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07:48<mjk>On a current TESTING, even ... :-/
07:48<eshat>mjk: try dpkg -l | grep packagename ... if you see the H Flag it is on Hold
07:49<mjk>eshat: No such flag, even on the testing system.
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07:49<Namesss>hi
07:49<mjk>eshat: So that's a bug, at least on testing? The header "dpkg -l" prints, clearly shows "Desired=Hold" as a possible flag.
07:50<Namesss>can i ask somethink
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07:50<eshat>tell nameless !about ask
07:50<mjk>Namesss: No, this channel is just for answers, not questions. (just kidding)
07:50<mjk>eshat: Same for Lenny, dpkg -l just shows "ii" as status ...
07:51<eshat>mjk: so that package isn't on hold, what is your question now ?
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07:51<bremner_>I'm running midori in squeeze (0.1.8-1) and it doesn't seem to download pdf's properly. I get an error tab, that says "plugin will handle load"
07:51<eshat>mjk: you know what hold means, right ?
07:51<Namesss>i install debian by internet from http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
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07:52<jm_>Aleric: hmm packages.ubuntu.com mentioned that version
07:52<mjk>eshat: The package *is* on hold, as I can see with "aptitude safe-upgrade -P" -- so somehow the hold-state is saved, but where? Neither dpkg nor aptitude show it.
07:52<Namesss>but when i started it
07:53<Namesss>The monotor is black
07:53<Namesss>The monitor is black
07:53<eshat>mjk: well,.. how did you set it on hold ?
07:53<mjk>eshat: With "aptitude hold <pkg>"
07:53<eshat>mjk: that's the point
07:53<eshat>aptitude has it's own database to store the hod flag
07:54<mjk>eshat: Oh ... ah ... hmmmm. And how can I check that on Lenny then? "aptitude show" shows only "held" on testing, but not on Lenny.
07:54<jm_>Namesss: the installer or what?
07:55<eshat>mjk: try starting just aptitude,.. got to the package by searching for it with "/" you should see the H FLag there
07:55<Namesss>The instalation is complete
07:55<Namesss>When i start grub
07:55<Namesss>Its loading
07:55<eshat>Namesss: I am not sure if that's a serious site...
07:55<eshat>ahh ,.. ok, you have grub ,... so maybe it is
07:55<jm_>mjk: aptitude search foo show h for me on held back packages in Lenny
07:56<Namesss>I install from this site on onther Pc before it works
07:56<jm_>do you see any kernel messages? remove "quiet" kernel parameter and then check what happens
07:57<mjk>eshat, jm_: Thanks! jm_'s variant is even scriptable, hooray! *cuddle*
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07:57<Namesss>coud be from the motherboard?
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08:01<Namesss>can somebody help me?
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08:03<nostmith>does anyone know what is goin on with cryptsetup in sid? i wanted to install it to encrypt a partition and it tried to remove all kernels because of some conflict with initramfs...
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08:04<mjk>Namesss: Sure that it's a Debian system btw.? Can't checky myself, because your site offers me an EXE file only.
08:05<Namesss>Yes
08:05<Namesss>When come time to log
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08:06<Namesss>Everything is going black
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08:07<mjk>Namesss: Aaaah ...
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08:07<mjk>Namesss: Does Ctrl-Alt-F1 get you a console?
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08:08<Namesss>no nothing
08:09<mjk>Namesss: Okay, then select the "single user" entry from the GRUB bootloader menu. It's most likely the second entry.
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08:09<mjk>Namesss: Aaaaah, wait!
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08:09<mjk>Namesss: After hitting "Enter" in the GRUB bootloader, does the PC print a lot of scrolling text first?
08:10<amol112>hi all, i am having usb modem 0451:6060 which is detected as /dev/ttyUSB0 but i am not able to configure
08:10<mjk>Namesss: If yes, then it's "only" a problem with your graphics card or most likely the graphics card driver.
08:10<Namesss>Yes there is a text
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08:10<mjk>Namesss: Ah, that's good ...
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08:11<amol112>wvdialconf shows no modem was detected
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08:11<mjk>Namesss: So for further debugging and testing, you can select the "single user" entry in the bootloader.
08:11<Namesss>The graphics is onboard
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08:12<mjk>Namesss: Then you can "aptitude install rcconf", then "rcconf", then de-select the entry for "gdm" or "kdm", whichever is listed. Then reboot (Ctrl-Alt-Del), and you're at least able to configure/fix things.
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08:15<amol112>if usb modem is not detected using wvdialconf is there any other wayt to configure?
08:15<Namesss>On Grub was 2 entrys
08:15<Namesss>One was like normas start
08:15<Namesss>One was like normal start
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08:16<mjk>Namesss: And the second is "single user" or something, this /should/ give you a console and not a black screen.
08:16<Namesss>second one is like "safe mode"
08:16<Namesss>Yes
08:16<mjk>Namesss: yeah, safe mode or single user, both are perfect.
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08:16<Namesss>There is some comeads
08:16<Namesss>There is some comands
08:17<nostmith>amol112, any info in the output of dmesg?
08:17<mjk>Namesss: If you choose the "safe mode" entry, you'll be able to further debug/configure/fix things, as you're not stuck with a black screen.
08:17<amol112>nostmith, usb 4-2: generic converter now attached to ttyUSB0
08:19<Namesss>I don`t know what to configure and the way he must be
08:20<amol112>nostmith, it is not considered as modem?
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08:21<linuxguy>hi, Ive got upto date squeeze installed, pc has been working fine for a couple of weeks, but ive just booted it up, i got splashy screen and log-in screen, but during the part where the icons fade to the desktop, the screen goes white, then just black, all i can do is move the mouse, has KDM crashed here please?
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08:22<mjk>Namesss: Hm yes, this takes a little time and experience ...
08:22<amol112>nostmith .wvdialconf is not detecting as modem
08:22<nostmith>amol112, i'm not sure. which kind of modem is that?
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08:22<wan>iuyliug
08:22<wan>saya
08:22<mjk>Namesss: Do you know the exact mainboard name/model number?
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08:22<amol112>nostmith, it is 0451:6060 Texas Instruments, Inc. MTNL broadband modem
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08:23<Namesss>Asrock K10N78FullHD-hSLI R3.0
08:24<Namesss>¦NVIDIA® GeForce 8200 Chipset
08:24<nostmith>amol112, i mean the name/type from the case, or something like that
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08:25<den10>Всем привет
08:25<amol112>nostmith, USB led of modem is green
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08:26<nostmith>amol112, is there anything writen on the case of the modem?
08:26<bremner_>!tell den10 -about ru
08:26<mjk>Namesss: Google tells me that other ppl have Debian running on that board, which is a good omen =)
08:27<amol112>nostmith, MTNL T-KD 318-EUI
08:27<mjk>Namesss: What I would do in any case is a BIOS upgrade, if there is a newer version.
08:27<Namesss>:))))
08:27<mjk>Namesss: The guy who has running Debian on this board uses BIOS version 1.7.
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08:28<Namesss>I thik i have 1.5
08:28<mjk>Namesss: And yes, I treat firmware updates just like software patches, because they fix terrible bugs we often never get to know about.
08:28<mjk>Namesss: Then upgrade. :-)
08:28<mjk>Namesss: I had a BIOSTAR board which need 2 or 3 upgrades before it perfectly worked with Linux, AFAIR.
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08:30<Namesss>it will be hard job for me
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08:30<nostmith>amol112, might be a bit difficult to make it work, if will ever (nost sure yet). it is a must use it with the USB cable?
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08:31<Namesss>I have 1 old motherboard on intel on other Pc maybe i will try on it
08:31<amol112>nostmith, yes it is must to use with usb cable
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08:33<Namesss>mjk if i try whit Cd, the result woud be the same?
08:34<nostmith>amol112, i think you can use ndiswrapper to install the windows drivers, but i'm not sure how to, nor if it will work. can't really help since i'm using my modem with the LAN cable
08:34<mjk>Namesss: I don't know this goodbye-microsoft.exe, I'd first try a normal Debian Live CD: http://live.debian.net/
08:34<mjk>Namesss: There are even USB images, as it seems ... nice.
08:35<mjk>Namesss: but if you're under Windows and can burn CDs, getting the CD image is easier.
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08:36<Namesss>Yes i`m whit windows now
08:37<Namesss>I ill try again when i have some spare time again
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08:38<mjk>Namesss: Oki! =)
08:38<Namesss>10x for helping
08:39<Namesss>I have another question
08:40<Namesss>When i install grub it delete the windows bootloader
08:40<Namesss>can i have some console
08:41<Namesss>to choose between grub and windows
08:41<bremner_>grub can boot windows
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08:42<jm_>d-i should detect windows and add an entry to it to grub
08:42<jm_>it did for me anyway
08:42<Namesss>yes but when i mount it the one of bout is dissapear
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08:43<Namesss>yes yes
08:43<jm_>what?
08:43<Namesss>how to do this
08:43<Namesss>on windows bootloader to choose between windows i grub
08:44<linuxguy>hi, Ive got upto date squeeze installed, pc has been working fine for a couple of weeks, but ive just booted it up, i got splashy screen and log-in screen, but during the part where the icons fade to the desktop, the screen goes white, then just black, all i can do is move the mouse, has KDM crashed here please?
08:44<jm_>there are howtos if you want to use windows bootloader, google for it
08:44<bremner_>Namesss: as several people said, configure grub to boot windows. That is is the most common and supported way of dual booting.
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08:45<jesperj>Debian maintainers please take notice: The package "egroupware" for Lenny is version 1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.2. There is a newer version of egroupware available which fixes "2 serious security problems, many bugs and implements SyncML 1.2" (See http://www.egroupware.org/Home?category_id=95&item=93 ). I have just emailed the maintainer of the package in question, but this security problem should probably be taken note of and forwarded to the p
08:45<jesperj>roper place/s.
08:45<bremner_>jesperj: file a bug
08:46<jesperj>bremner_: one makes a bug report for needed security updates aswell?
08:46<nostmith>linuxguy, press Ctrl+Alt+F1 and login as root then do: pkill kdm
08:46<bremner_>jesperj: presuming nothing needs to be embargoed
08:47<nostmith>linuxguy, if kdm doesn't start again, start it with: kdm
08:47<linuxguy>nosbig, thanks
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08:48<gsimmons>jesperj: A bug was already filed, see #573279 in the BTS.
08:48<jesperj>bremner_, gsimmons : ok thank you.
08:50<jesperj>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:45:05 UTC < It has not been fixed and it was soon a month ago!
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08:51<jesperj>That means there has been a package in lenny with remote exploits known for a month soon and the maintainer has not bothered to fix it
08:51<jesperj>Isnt that sortof a scandal?
08:51<dr|z3d>jesperj: It's less than optimal. :)
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08:52<jesperj>Im going to reply to that bug and point it out.
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08:52<jesperj>Too much to do but I might just have to fix it myself
08:52<jesperj>roll the package that is
08:53<jesperj>on the other hand, everyone probably has too much to do
08:53<jesperj>like the maintainer of said package for example
08:54<tweber>jesperj, please check first whether the current version in stable is fixed.
08:54<tweber>http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/egroupware/news/20100312T075300Z.html
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08:55<drow_>hello
08:55<bittin>hi
08:55<drow_>whatsup?
08:55<bittin>nothing much
08:55<drow_>?
08:55<drow_>ru there?
08:55<bittin>yes
08:56<drow_>who r u?
08:56<bittin>a guy that uses Debian testing
08:56<bittin>on my eeepc
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08:56<drow_>i use dell
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08:56<bittin>ok
08:57<jesperj>tweber: Changes: egroupware (1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.2) stable-security; urgency=high * Non-maintainer upload by the Security Team. * Fix several vulnerabilites, no CVE IDs yet
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08:57<tweber>Yes, I've read it :)
08:57<tweber>I don't know the bugs, though.
08:57<drow_>i use backtrack
08:57*bremner_ runs away
08:57<tweber>Reminding the maintainer is pointless: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574186
08:58<jesperj>Although the version lists 1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.2 and egroupware site lists the updated version as 1.6.003. Is it possible that the bugs are fixed without upgrading?
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08:58<tweber>If they are patched in that version, yes. That means looking at the patches, though.
08:58<amol112>nostmith, manufacturer is Hack Proof Data Transfer Solution
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08:59<amol112>nostmith, sorry
08:59<amol112>nostmith, UTStarcom is modem manugacturer
08:59<nostmith>amol112, like i said earlier, i think you can use ndiswrapper to install the windows drivers, but i'm not sure how to, nor if it will work. can't really help since i'm using my modem with the LAN cable
09:00<jm_>that's how security updates are typically released - by backporting them, the version is definitely changed though
09:00<linuxguy>nostmith, ive just tried those instructions, kdm didnt start but i got this message in a dialogue window "Cannot Open Theme File @@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@" Click "OK" and its not bad spelling thats what the message says, if I click on ok, it launches gnome desktop
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09:02<jesperj>tweber: Checking patches is over my head / beyond my knowledge at this time. From my point of view it seems strange that the egroupware website lists a new version that fixes the bugs, and the debian package not changing up to that version. I do not know how patching works, but can one just fix the earlier version which was in the debian package, instead of upgrading to the newer version?
09:02<jesperj>jm_: oh ok.
09:02<bremner_>jesperj: is the normal way of fixing bugs in debian stable
09:03<tweber>jesperj, if you want to use egroupware, you should use a package from egroupware's site (I assume they have one)
09:03<tweber>egroupware has been removed from unstable and will not be part of the next release anyway.
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09:03<jesperj>bremner_: ok
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09:03<nostmith>linuxguy, not sure how to fix it.
09:04<tweber>urgs, "they have one" means they have a package, not "they have a site"
09:04<jesperj>tweber: Can one see somewhere why it will be removed? I am curious to the reason as maybe the reason is good enough that I also should consider not using it
09:04<linuxguy>nostmith, thanks, at least i can get adesktop, even though im not a gnome fan
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09:05<nostmith>linuxguy, you also have gdm isntalled?
09:05<nostmith>s/isntalled/installed
09:05<tweber>General introduction: go to packages.qa.debian.org/egroupware
09:05<tweber>Look at the "News" part -- the first message has a removal content. Click on the message
09:06<tweber>There's a bug number there. Look up that number in the Debian BTS.
09:06<jesperj>linuxguy: Try to ask in #kde, since this error seems to be sortof KDE specific with some problem loading a theme. You might be able to change some config file to use another theme and thereby start KDE again
09:06<jesperj>tweber: thank you.
09:06<tweber>This should lead you to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574186
09:06<tweber>Short answer: the package has no maintainer, currently :)
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09:07<linuxguy>nostmith, i was installing an app last nite and it mentioned about needing gnome to
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09:07<linuxguy>jesperj, yes i was looking at that posssibility a theme failing to load, i downloaded a few yesterday
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09:11<jesperj>http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2009-2265 seems to be "open" still (?), but it lists vulnerable packages in Lenny: 1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.1. The current Lenny version is 1.4.004-2.dfsg-4.2... I guess this means that the latter is not affected by this security issue anymore, but should the security bug still be listed as "open", and should the old lenny version be listed?
09:12<jesperj>tweber: thanks I will look at that
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09:14<jesperj>tweber: :-/ Thanks for finding that info out for me. I think egroupware for lenny should be taken out immediately then.
09:15<jesperj>Why does Debian have to wait with taking it out if it has no maintainer?
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09:18<jesperj>And can I get emails about issues like this (for only the packages I have got installed on my system) automatically?
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09:21<hollo>hi.. hmm, i was wondering if anyone know how to monitor which files my filessystem is useing?
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09:23<hollo>hmm.. think i found a solution..
09:23<hollo>have a nice day :)
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09:28<johnfg>hi guys
09:28<tweber>jesperj, you mean mails for security issues that are still unfixed?
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09:29<tweber>I don't know. Some security issues have an embargo. For them you will not be able to get any advance warning before the fix is out.
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09:29<jesperj>ok...
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09:30<Bea>Hi
09:30<Bea>Hola
09:31<jesperj>but, we can assume that the security issues for egroupware package for Lenny has been fixed for now atleast (even though the package will be removed later)?
09:31<jesperj>if I have understood it correctly
09:31<jesperj>hello Bea
09:31<Bea>hello
09:32<Bea>what your name?
09:33<Bea>Bye bye
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09:36<tweber>jesperj, if you are unsure, ask on debian-security. But comparing http://www.egroupware.org/news?item=93 and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2010/msg00053.html, I'd say that the current package in stable is fixed.
09:37<tofix>hi guys, is there a way with samba to control an authentication from both ip and user a the same time, i mean to check for user@host ?
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09:39<amitz>where is #debian bot where I can ask questions? dpkg?
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09:39<amitz>!help
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09:41<jesperj>thank you tweber
09:41<jesperj>and the rest of you who has helped/answered my questions
09:42<amitz>how to help speeding up releasing squeeze?
09:42<tweber>amitz, by fixing RC bugs :)
09:42<tweber>http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/04/msg00001.html
09:43<amitz>any manual boring work that requires little technical knowledge? ;-)
09:43<amitz>oh, reading.
09:43<tweber>"You might also be interested in working on the release notes:"
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09:45<tweber>apt
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09:46<tofix>so guys, noone have an idea about mixing authentication with both ip and user :'( ... i'm parsing the whole configuration without any clue
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09:48<amitz>tweber: apt bug? release note, ah, interesting.
09:48<tweber>amitz, no. That 'apt' was a mistake by me. Just the release notes part.
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10:17<Grendel0>hi, does any1 know where I can get kernel headers for 2.6.32-trunk-686?
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10:34<brujii>hi do you come to mater?¿
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10:53<mbruins>hi, i would like to play nethack but with gui not cli. i installed nethack-x11 but its cli. im running debian lenny. any suggestion?
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10:56<hawk>mbruins: There's no separate binary for the X11 version?
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10:57<bremner_>mbruins: check /usr/share/doc/nethack-x11/README* for hints
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10:59<rah>squid takes a long time to shutdown when rebooting
10:59<rah>is there any way to make it take less time?
10:59<noflash>mbruins, please don't cross post
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11:06<icwiener>Hi, anyone else having problems booting with yesterday's 2.6.32 kernel update in Sid?
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11:10<icwiener>2.6.32-11 that is.
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11:19<danutz>hello all ,can someone tell me how to make a backup?
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11:21<dr|z3d>danutz: A backup of WHAT?
11:21<danutz>hole server files
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11:23<paparsifal>g4l
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11:25<priya>trying out xchat
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11:27<dr|z3d>danutz: hole server files means nothing. webserver? home directory? what?
11:28<danutz>full backup
11:28<dr|z3d>you want to image the entire disk? the entire installation?
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11:35<maks>sorry getting rusty
11:36<maks>which bootargs can i pass ona lilo bootprompt
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11:40<arctix>Hello! Is there any way to recover broken ext3 partitions? dmesg shows these errors: http://pastebin.com/bEnhqTWK and i can't backup ext3 partitions on this disk (i've got also fat partitions wich started backup and stopped with error after a couple of minutes). I haven't tried fsck because somebody suggested me to do backup first. Any ideas wha
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11:40<arctix>*what's wrong and what can I do. Thanks for any help
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11:47<currito>celia estas
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12:17<arctixx>Hello! Is there any way to recover broken ext3 partitions? dmesg shows these errors: http://pastebin.com/bEnhqTWK and i can't backup ext3 partitions on this disk (i've got also fat partitions wich started backup and stopped with error after a couple of minutes). I haven't tried fsck because somebody suggested me to do backup first. Any ideas what's wrong? Thanks for any help.
12:18<berto>that looks like a broken hard disk
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12:21<titan8990>arctixx: next time you should make backups *before* the drive fails
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12:23<arctixx>sure it's good idea, but is there any way to get it back, even only some files from there?
12:24<titan8990>also, FAT is not a good idea to backup to. It does not allow for UNIX permissions, or files greater than 4gb
12:25<berto>arctixx: try dd_rescue
12:25<berto>it might help recovering the parts of the hard disk that are still accessible
12:25<berto>and then work with that image
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12:28<arctixx>im making backup to a ext3 partition on brand new disk
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12:28<berto>you can back up the whole disk
12:28<berto>and see what you can recover from that
12:28<berto>arctixx: http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Ddrescue
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12:38<Gargonus>Hello everyone!
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12:38<Aleric>Hi, which package contain the kernel sources?
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12:40<Gargonus>I just installed Debian Squeeze on my new computer and I have a little problem. Looks like it couldn't recognize my network card. It's a Marvell Yukon 88E8059, and I already had some problems with this kind of cards before... It looks like I can solve it by installing the latest kernel (2.6.33 I think) but I don't know if it's possible on Squeeze...?
12:40<dkr>Aleric: aptitude search linux-source
12:41<titan8990>Aleric: the "kernel" source package
12:41<locklace>Gargonus: it is
12:41<titan8990>oh.. wrong channel
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12:41<Gargonus>looks like some other people had problems with marvell yukon cards on other distros too: http://r0bert0.over-blog.com/ext/http://istoff.blogspot.com/2010/03/marvel-88e8059-on-linux.html
12:41<titan8990>Aleric: apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
12:42<Gargonus>hmm
12:42<dkr>titan8990: it was changed from "kernel" to "linux" when bsd kernel was added :)
12:42<dkr>titan8990: also, I already told him the answer...
12:42<titan8990>dkr: I thought I was in #centos....
12:42<Gargonus>so what must I do in order to get the very latest kernel version available in Squeeze?
12:42<titan8990>judd: kernels
12:42<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
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12:43<locklace>Gargonus: just download the kernel from kernel.org and build it. the make-kpkg tool in the kernel-package package is helpful for that
12:43<titan8990>Gargonus: aptitude update; aptitude upgrade .33 is only available from experimental
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12:43<locklace>i don't recommend using that experimental package
12:43<Gargonus>eww :(
12:43<Aleric>dkr: thanks
12:43<titan8990>Gargonus: what is the pciid of that card?
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12:44<nathan>hi, i've two configured interfaces (eth0 and eth1). I set up eth1 with wpa_supplicant for use the internet with a wpa2 key and i would like use my eth0 interface for my local network. So i set up it in my interfaces files but when i type ifconfig -a, the address i assigned to eth0 does not appear.
12:44<Gargonus>hmm looks like i gotta boot on my Debian and check some things?
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12:44<Gargonus>like lspci and stuff
12:44<Gargonus>I have a very short memory so I gotta learn this all one more time >.<
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12:45<nathan>so pings with an other computer on local to this computer are impossible.
12:46<Gargonus>(or maybe should I wait for 2.6.33 kernel to be available on Squeeze so it can recognize my card?)
12:46<locklace>Gargonus: just "aptitude install kernel-package" and read the readme in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package. then get the 2.6.33.2 source from kernel.org and build it
12:47<locklace>the whole thing takes like 10 minutes
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12:50<Gargonus>hmm
12:51<Gargonus>since I don't have a connection yet, should I get kernel-package on an usb key then transfer it once I booted on Debian?
12:51<locklace>provided you have its dependencies
12:52<titan8990>,depends kernel-package
12:52<judd>kernel-package -- depends: perl, dpkg (>= 1.4), dpkg-dev (>= 1.4.0.9), gcc | c-compiler, make (>= 3.80-10), po-debconf, gettext, file, debianutils (>= 2.30), binutils (>= 2.12), util-linux (>= 2.10o), module-init-tools (>= 0.9.10).
12:52<Gargonus>yeah that's what I was worried about...
12:52<Gargonus>hmm
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12:53<Gargonus>I'm gonna check it. Thanks a lot everyoen
12:53<Gargonus>one*
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12:58<nathan>nobody can help me?
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13:00<clocker>nathan I've not been following, but have you read the man pages?
13:01<nathan>clocker, yes i did
13:01<nathan>i read all the manuel i can find about network rules
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13:02<nathan>but i don't understand why my eth0's IP does not appear when i type ifconfig -a
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13:02<nathan>my eth1's IP and eth0's IP are on different networks so...
13:04<arctixx>Anyone has an idea where does log with errors save after use smartctl command on disk?
13:05<exu``>nathan, are you using /etc/networking/interfaces to configure the ips? show us your configfile
13:05<clocker>nathan, then I'm sure someone will answer when people are around that would know some answers
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13:07<exu``>arctixx, maybe /var/log/syslog ?
13:07<dutchfish>arctixx: when you invoked it manually to the console, also have you checked syslog?
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13:09<m3asmi>how to View a password hidden by stars in C langage?
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13:10<eleXD>hi
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13:13<paparsifal>what is the command to change root file system ?
13:13<paparsifal>chroot never mind :)
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13:23<nathan>exu``, yeap : http://pastebin.com/RWykJDPq
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13:27<Dreakon>Hiya peeps. I have a quick question if anyone is around.
13:27<exu``>add "auto eth0" above the "iface eth0..." line and do a /etc/init.d/networking restart
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13:27<locklace>!tell Dreakon about ask
13:27<Dreakon>I right click the menu's at the top left of the gnome desktop environment, to edit them.
13:28<Dreakon>Then I uncheck all of the programs I don't want to appear on that menu.
13:28<Dreakon>And it seems to work, except the games.
13:28<Dreakon>No matter what I uncheck, they all still appear in the menu.
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13:29<Dreakon>Any ideas? Logging out and back in didn't do it, shutting down completely didn't do it. :(
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13:32<Gargonus>hello again everyone
13:34<Gargonus>so hmm, I tried to boot on my Debian Squeeze and dpkg -i the kernel-package stored on my usb key. I'm doing it this way because I need to upgrade to 2.6.33 kernel in order to use my Marvell Yukon ethernet card (which is not recognized and doesn't appear in lspci)
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13:35<Gargonus>the thing is, this package needs dependencies: build-essential, make, po-debconf, gettext, file and linutils
13:35<nathan>exu``, that's work. Thanks a lot ,)
13:35<locklace>it should appear in lspci regardless of whether the kernel sees it
13:35<Gargonus>well, must I really get each dependency and try it, then each dependency's dependency, etc...? Or is there a faster way?
13:35<exu``>nathan, np, also add a "auto eth1" for the eth1-interface
13:35<locklace>and i guess you can just usb over the kernel from experimental for now to get you up and running, then build your own after that
13:35<Gargonus>oO
13:36-!-mode/#debian [+l 429] by debhelper
13:36<nathan>exu``, in fact, that make the processus auto?
13:36<Gargonus>hmm
13:36<locklace>that's going to be easier than chasing dependencies, assuming it works at all
13:36<nathan>to add auto 'interface' above the interfaces rules
13:36<exu``>nathan, it brings up the interface with their configuration automatic, else you have to use ifup
13:36<Gargonus>locklace: you mean booting on a 2.6.33 stored on my key, in order to have access to internet and then download all the dependencies from there?
13:37<Gargonus>I like that idea :) chasing dependencies is a pain..
13:37<locklace>no, stick the .deb file for the kernel on the usb, then install it with dpkg -i
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13:37<exu``>nathan, automatic on a reboot or a restart of the networking (as did with /etc/init.d/networking restart)
13:37<Gargonus>hmm
13:37<nathan>exu``, thanks again ,)
13:38<Gargonus>that's what I did, but when I tried to dpkg -i it, it told me it needed those dependencies :(
13:38<locklace>i thought you said you tried to dpkg -i the kernel-package package
13:38<Gargonus>ow
13:38<Gargonus>yeah
13:38<Gargonus>you're right, I'm confusing myself
13:39<Gargonus>hmm
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13:39<hahnp>do you have a internetconnection there?
13:39<Gargonus>I didn't know there were .deb files for kernels
13:40<Gargonus>now I wonder how I can get those
13:41<locklace>Gargonus: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/i386/linux-image-2.6.33-2-686/download
13:41<exu``>i have a problem with munin: after adding new symlinks to the plugins-dir and removing unneeding plugins i removed the rrd-files in /var/lib/munin/<domain> ... i thought munin would create new rrds, but no rrds have been created and no error shown in the logfiles :-(
13:41<locklace>Gargonus: substitute amd64 for x86 as appropriate
13:41<hahnp>Gargonus: you can look up all dependences on http://www.debian.org
13:41<Gargonus>thanks a lot :)
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13:44<Gargonus>hmm, did I understand well? So linux-image packages are kernels which have already been compiled, and I just need to dpkg -i it in order to obtain the kernel?
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13:44<locklace>yes
13:44<AlVaRiToOo>YS
13:44<AlVaRiToOo>yes
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13:45<Gargonus>that rocks! :D
13:45<Gargonus>(hmm looks like there are gonna be some dependencies there too :D but it looks much faster)
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13:46<Gargonus>hmm, but since I'm on squeeze, will the dependencies be available too?
13:46<locklace>you shouldn't have any dependency problems
13:46<Gargonus>I mean, I'm downloading an experimental kernel...
13:46<Gargonus>ow, ok
13:46<Gargonus>I'm worried about this one: linux-base (>= 2.6.33-1~experimental.4) Linux image base package
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13:47<locklace>yes, just saw that, guess you'll need that one too
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13:48<locklace>it has nothing in it anyway
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13:48<locklace>http://packages.debian.org/experimental/all/linux-base/filelist
13:49<jesus>What kind of version i need for install debian on an AMD XP2400? amd64?
13:49<Nicoob>hello, I just installed debian with xfce, the problem is I can't open most programs, it says "failed to execute default terminal"
13:50<Gargonus>thanks a lot :)
13:50<jesus>I think i386 is for intel but for a simple AMD it's amd64 too?
13:50<locklace>but it does have some more depends, i guess. getting annoying how many dependencies are starting to creep in even for kernel packages
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13:51<locklace>jesus: i386=x86_32, amd64=x86_64. cpu manufacturer is irrelevant
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13:52<sander>Anyone know a mail server I can use to send and receive mails with my gmail account?
13:52<sander>with ssl support
13:52<Nicoob>am I in the right section for my terminal problem?
13:52<jesus>so i take amd64?
13:52<locklace>sander: i guess you mean "mail client"
13:52<locklace>jesus: do you have a 64-bit cpu?
13:52<sander>locklace, I need to deliver mail to local users, and for them to be able to use sendmail..
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13:53<jesus>no
13:53<jesus>I've an AMD XP2400
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13:53<locklace>jesus: then i386 is for you
13:53<jesus>ok thx
13:53<jesus>;)
13:53<Nicoob>debian, xfce4 failed to execute default terminal
13:53<sander>locklace, my goal is to get mailman working with my gmail account.
13:53<Nicoob>any idead guys?
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13:54<Nicoob>can anyone at least see what I'm writing?
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13:54<sney>hi Nicoob
13:54<Nicoob>=)
13:54<hahnp>hi
13:54<locklace>sander: i don't get what you're trying to do from your description
13:55<sney>Nicoob: is that an error message you got, or does the terminal just not launch?
13:55<Nicoob>when I try to launch an app with xfce4 it says failed to execute default terminal
13:55<sney>all apps or a specific one?
13:55<Nicoob>most apps
13:55<Nicoob>starting with the default terminal =)
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13:56<jgvox>oi
13:56<sander>locklace, I have an mail account on my own domain hosted at google.. I want this mail account to act as an mailing list, when people send mails to it.
13:56<locklace>!br
13:56<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:57<sander>locklace, I also want an archive of all mails sent to this account, just as any opensource project got with mailman.
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13:57<Nicoob>sney, I know it's vague but it's troubling me
13:57<sney>Nicoob: if you go to run, can you launch xfce-terminal?
13:57<sander>locklace, so people can search trough those mail from a webinterface
13:57<Nicoob>no
13:57<Nicoob>I can't sney
13:57<sney>what about xterm
13:58<icwiener_>Hi, anyone else having problems booting with yesterday's 2.6.32-11 kernel update in Sid?
13:58<sney>!broken in sid
13:58<dpkg>Well, duh, what'd you expect, of course it's broken. See <sid>.
13:58<Nicoob>it's actually lxterm I can't run
13:58<Nicoob>I can run the root term
13:58<sney>hmm
13:58<sander>locklace, if there exists some other easy way of getting an mailing list on my own domain, then thats also fine.
13:59<locklace>sander: the usual way to do it is to run your own mail server. i guess there's probably some way to gateway everything through some third-party account that you only have pop/imap access to, but it sounds horrible
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14:00<Nicoob>any idea sney?
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14:00<sney>Nicoob: what does the output of update-alternatives --query x-terminal-emulator show you?
14:01<Nicoob>gimme a sec =)
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14:02<Nicoob>sney, it shows me I misstyped the command you've given me
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14:03<Nicoob>did you type it right?
14:03<sney>yeah, I copied and pasted the one I did
14:03<sander>locklace, ok.. Got any guide on how to set up an mail server?
14:03<Nicoob>gimme a min again
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14:03<Nicoob>give me a minute again please =)
14:03<locklace>sander: there are tons. my recommendation for an mta is postfix, lots of good docs at postfix.org
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14:03<sander>Whats easiest?.. postfix?
14:04<sander>ok
14:04<titan8990>sander: the documentation for your MTA of choice. but also, you will need decent knowledge of how MX records with DNS and smtp
14:04<titan8990>!start a mta war
14:04<dpkg>Postfix has an evil license.
14:05<Nicoob>sney, it tells me a lot of things, but starts with "Usage: update-alternatives [<option> ...] <command>"
14:05<Nicoob>is that correct?
14:05<sney>Nicoob: weird
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14:05<locklace>titan8990: there's not much to it. you set up an mx record for your domain that points to your server; job done.
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14:06<john>heyy
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14:06<john> hello ·· ·
14:06<locklace>!slap john
14:06*dpkg strikes a resounding *THWAP* across john's face
14:06<john>lol
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14:06<titan8990>Nicoob: --query is not an option in lenny's update-alternatives. what are you trying to do?
14:07<sney>I was worried that was it.
14:07<john>say hello
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14:07<Nicoob>I'm trying to resolve a terminal input output problem with sney
14:07<sney>his default terminal won't launch and I'm trying to figure out why
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14:07<Nicoob>this also prevents me from launching a few apps under xfce4
14:08<titan8990>update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator
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14:08<Nicoob>thank you, will this command help you sney?
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14:08<sney>it's not as informative as query would have been, but it's a step in the right direction
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14:08<titan8990>Nicoob: xfce4 may not honor the default alternative. Change your default emulator in menu -> settings -> preferred applications
14:09<sander>There is so much documentation on postfix.org.. I dont know where to begin.
14:09<sney>sander: maybe 'faq'
14:09<Nicoob>let me try this
14:09<sney>xfce4 on my system honors alternatives, but I'm running squeeze so who knows
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14:10<Nicoob>thank you sney and titan
14:10<Nicoob>let me see if everything works now =)
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14:12<Nicoob>ok, when ever I was lauching apps needing to run through the default debian terminal, it would post an input output error, now I've changed it to the xfce terminal in the prefered apps and problem solved. Thank you veterans =)
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14:12<sney>hooray
14:12<amphi>the great thing about xfce4-term IMHO is that you can have the tabs down the side
14:12<Nicoob>lol
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14:12<Nicoob>indeed
14:13<amphi>!rejoice
14:13<dpkg>...and the peasants rejoiced.
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14:14<Nicoob>I have another question, I've edited my etc/network/interfaces to run my network config, but I need to ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 everytime I reboot in order to run my config, is there a way to automate that?
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14:15<titan8990>Nicoob: that is what the "networking" service should do
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14:15<titan8990>Nicoob: update-rc.d networking default
14:15<Nicoob>let me try this
14:16<titan8990>Nicoob: or, you may have something like network-manager that is giving conflicts (although it technically shouldn't)
14:16<amphi>Nicoob: you need 'auto' for each interface you want brought up at boottime
14:16<amphi>Nicoob: in your /etc/network/interfaces
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14:16<Nicoob>I did auto
14:16<Nicoob>be right back baby crying =)
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14:18<Nicoob>ok my interfaces is edited to auto eth0
14:18<Nicoob>still not brought up at boot
14:19<Nicoob>titan, I typed update-rc.d networking default, and it tells me the usage
14:20<Nicoob>as if I'd misstypes
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14:21<Nicoob>I don't have the network manager installed either
14:23<Nicoob>I'll google it then
14:23<Nicoob>thank you for the help and sorry for flooding the channel =)
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14:25<eleXD>hello
14:25<hahnp>hi
14:25<eleXD>how are you?
14:26-!-mode/#debian [+l 423] by debhelper
14:26<hahnp>just eating... so fine
14:26<eleXD>ok
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14:27<Dreakon>mmm... peanut butter sandwich
14:27<Dreakon>Anyone know why when I uncheck games from the GNOME menu, they don't go away?
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14:27<eleXD>do you speak spanish?
14:27<Dreakon>When I uncheck other applications in other areas of the GNOME menu, they go away lol
14:28<dr|z3d>We do, in a differerent room :)
14:28<dr|z3d>!es
14:28<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:28<locklace>!room
14:28<dpkg>CHANNEL!
14:28<eleXD>byebye
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14:28<dr|z3d>locklace: when addressing foreigners, some words are better understood, however syntactically incorrect they may be to the trained ear. :)
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14:29<noflash>I'd call that BS on room/channel for foreigners :))
14:29*dr|z3d laughs.
14:30<bja>!pie dr|z3d
14:30*dpkg hits dr|z3d in the face with a cream pie
14:30<hahnp>!de
14:30<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
14:30<noflash>nice try though dr|z3d ;0
14:30<noflash>;)
14:30<Dreakon>Mein name ist Dreakon.
14:30<Dreakon>Ja?
14:30<bja>!tell Dreakon about de
14:30<hahnp>Hallo Dreakon, wie geht es dir?
14:31<dr|z3d>noflash: do you speak spanish?
14:31*dr|z3d winks.
14:31<dr|z3d>hablas espanol, tronco?
14:31*dr|z3d self censors. "sorry"
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14:31<locklace>!win dpkg
14:31<dpkg>Congratulations, dpkg! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
14:31<Dreakon>Haha, silly bots.
14:31<Dreakon>I don't actually speak german.
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14:31<sney>ich spreche kein deutsch
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14:31<hahnp>ich schon
14:31<bja>ich auch
14:32<hahnp>^^
14:32<dr|z3d>je suis un fromage.
14:32<Dreakon>Mein mutter spricht deutsch.
14:32<Dreakon>Das ist nicht richtig.
14:32<Dreakon>:(
14:32<hahnp>Meine!
14:33<Dreakon>Und "dass"...
14:33<bja>ist auch daß
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14:33<Dreakon>Ich habe kein deutsch keyboard lol
14:33<Dreakon>and dont feel like switching settings around
14:34<hahnp>where are you from?
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14:34<Dreakon>new york ;)
14:34<bja>Dreakon: alt gr s shoud work
14:34<hahnp>so its just y and z
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14:34<Dreakon>gr?
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14:35<sney>silly bja, american keyboards don't have alt gr.
14:35<bja>alt-gr key
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14:35<bja>Yeap, you are right
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14:35<Dreakon>Ich bin awesome.
14:35-!-AlVaRiToOo [~AlViN@83.60.213.224] has joined #debian
14:35<hahnp>legendary ^^
14:35<Dreakon>:-D
14:36<AlVaRiToOo>helloi
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14:36<Dreakon>Anyone here play playstation emulators on Debian?
14:36<sney>!es-social AlVaRiToOo
14:36<dpkg>AlVaRiToOo: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:36<hahnp>!help
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14:37<Dreakon>epsxe gives me some funky low-res graphics with Peops soft drivers, considerably worse than if I used the soft driver plugin on windows
14:37<sney>hahnp: got a question?
14:37<Dreakon>wonder if PCSX is any better somehow
14:37<bja>sney: everything is under control AlVaRiToOo will behave unless he wants to have a kline again
14:37<sney>bja: vale
14:37<hahnp>sney: i wonder how do you know all these !VALUE things
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14:38<sney>hahnp: /msg dpkg factoids
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14:40<hahnp>sney: nice thanks
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14:50<flashseeker>hello, I can't install flashplayer on debian, I installed flashplayer-mozilla but I have iceweasel
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14:50<flashseeker>googled this unsuccessfully
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14:50<flashseeker>tried gnash as well
14:50<flashseeker>no luck
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14:51<hahnp>flashseeker: just copy libflashplayer.so to iceweasel/plugins
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14:51<flashseeker>thank you let me try
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14:53<flashseeker>hahnp : where do I find this file?
14:53<flashseeker>where are the apps in linux? in the etc?
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14:53<hahnp>http://get.adobe.com/de/flashplayer/
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14:54<flashseeker>let me try this
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14:55<flashseeker>the deb one I guess?
14:55<hahnp>tar.gz
14:55<flashseeker>ah ok
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14:55<hahnp>it includes only the .so file
14:55<flashseeker>ok
14:55<flashseeker>and where would the iceweasel plugin file be please?
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14:56<titan8990>flashseeker: you should be install flashplugin-nonfree from backports
14:56<flashseeker>folder
14:56<flashseeker>I did titan
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14:56<flashseeker>oh no wait I didn't
14:56<flashseeker>I did from multimedia keyring
14:56<titan8990>the adobe installer is generally not supported nor recommended here
14:56<flashseeker>ok
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14:57<titan8990>flashseeker: I have not tried dmm's version but I know the backports package to work well
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14:57<flashseeker>I will give it a try tita
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14:57<flashseeker>titan*
14:57<titan8990>flashseeker: you might want to remove the package from dmm first
14:58<flashseeker>will do, and since I'm a noob I'll do it with synaptic =)
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15:00<hahnp>flashseeker: you should place the .so file in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
15:00<flashseeker>thank you
15:00<icwiener_>sney: Well, not really helpful to tell me that in Sid stuff can break generally if I ask if anyone else experiences that problem. If that's the aswer then you should put "don't ask stuff about sid" in the topic.
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15:03<lluvia>I have booted a incompleted installation of debian thanks to a super-grub disk
15:04<sney>icwiener_: 'we don't support sid' is and has been channel policy for a long time
15:04<lluvia>what can I do for be sure that all instalation is fine and install a boot loader=
15:04<lluvia>now I have a login with root
15:04<lluvia>prompt*
15:05<sney>icwiener_: and if you're running sid, you should have apt-listbugs installed, as it will warn you if you're about to upgrade into broken software.
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15:06<flashseeker>titan, flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidates
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15:07<flashseeker>added backport to the etc/apt/sources.list
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15:08<icwiener_>sney: I did not ask for help, just for information if someone else has that problem. Is there a place where questions to other Sid users can be asked?
15:08<sney>bugs.debian.org
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15:09<icwiener_>Oh well...
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15:09<Adrian>kbmgskgs
15:09<hahnp>flashseeker: my flash works fine with iceweasel
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15:09<sney>one of the main purposes of sid is to throw a collection of broken packages at a collection of users so they can try them on various hardware and software configurations and submit bug reports. Of course there are always some kids who just run it because they NEEEED new versions of everything, but for the most part people do submit lots of bug reports against sid packages so they can be fixed and roll down the hill into squeeze.
15:09<flashseeker>trying to move it to the iceweasel module folder
15:09<flashseeker>no success
15:10<hahnp>plugins
15:10<hahnp>not modules
15:10<hahnp>firefly:/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins# ls
15:10<hahnp>libflashplayer.so
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15:11<flashseeker>no plugins folder there hahnp
15:11<hahnp>create it
15:11<flashseeker>ah =)
15:11<sney>flashplugin-nonfree is in backports contrib, so make sure your sources.list has contrib on the backports line rather than just main
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15:12<flashseeker>yes sney I've added it
15:12<icwiener_>sney: I am not a kid, nor do I NEEEED new versions. I just prefer other, more instant, communication channels than b.d.o.
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15:13<flashseeker>bee back in a little while, need to try all this
15:13<flashseeker>thank you for the help
15:13<hahnp>trust me flash works with the .so in the plugins folder
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15:16<lluvia>is there some package for install grub?
15:17<hahnp>yes... called grub
15:17<lluvia>apt-get search grub give me nothing
15:17<sney>apt-cache search
15:17<lluvia>eso
15:17<hahnp>than somethings wrong
15:17<hahnp>maybe you need sources
15:17<lluvia>I'll see mi sources.list
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15:18<sney>judd: versions grub
15:18<judd>grub -- etch: 0.97-27etch1; lenny: 0.97-47lenny2; sid: 0.97-59; squeeze: 0.97-59
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15:20<lluvia>I have lenny/updates main in security.debian.org and the same in volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile
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15:20<sney>lluvia: ok, you need standard sources too
15:20<hahnp>apt-get update
15:20<lluvia>sorry lenny/volatile in the last
15:21<sney>hahnp: that's not going to help until he adds a mirrir
15:21<sney>mirror, even
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15:21<lluvia>can you helping adding a mirror?
15:21<hahnp>thought he has lenny
15:22<hahnp>something like this but de is german
15:22<hahnp>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
15:22<sney>lluvia: deb http://ftp.es.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
15:22<sney>into your sources.list
15:22<lluvia>ok
15:23<sney>hahnp: if you install from a CD/DVD and don't have a network connection during the install, it doesn't set up a default source automatically
15:23<hahnp>yes i know... i missunderstood his sentense
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15:23<hahnp>but thanks
15:24<Ayporos>Hi, I am trying to prepare for a dual boot installation on my computer. I am currently running from Windows 7 Ultimate and would like to free up space on my main HD for a debian installation. What are my options regarding dual-booting? (found documentation is lacking in explanation to boot-loader choices/HD partitioning etc).
15:25<locklace>!dual boot guide
15:25<dpkg>A guide for setting up dual booting with various combinations of Linux and Windows (XP, Vista, 7) can be found at http://apcmag.com/dualboot . The guide covers both Windows and Linux being installed first on the machine. Also ask me about <fixmbr>, <supergrub>.
15:25<Ayporos>Thank you, will read that right now.
15:25<Ayporos>You are not authorized to view this page
15:26<Ayporos>oh my
15:26<lluvia>btw, do I remove the other sources?
15:26<sney>lluvia: no
15:26<Ayporos>Apparently I'm on the IP blacklist?
15:26<lluvia>sney:ok, thanks
15:26<Ayporos>Can the dualboot guide be found at another mirror?
15:27<locklace>Ayporos: maybe try a proxy
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15:29<lluvia>now I have the packages, do you think that only a apt-get install grub is a good idea?
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15:30<sney>lluvia: you should already have grub installed, how did you boot otherwise?
15:30<lluvia>by supergrub-disk
15:30<lluvia>installation failed
15:31<lluvia>maybe it have some binaries broken
15:31<lluvia>but I think that not the base-system
15:32<lluvia>some elegant way for check it?
15:32<lluvia>I don't know what to do exactly
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15:36<Ayporos>Ugh, I can't be arsed to use a stupid proxy just to read a dualboot manual, sorry.
15:36<lluvia>only apt-get install grub didn't work
15:36<Ayporos>Anyone that can help me in another way? (not linking me to the dualboot manual that has my IP banned for some weird reason)
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15:37<lluvia>maybe supergrub disk help me fix the things
15:38<Ayporos>Basically all I am curious about is wether it is able to use the windows boot loader to deal with the dual-boot screen, and install debian as a 'secondary' OS that I can later de-install without destroying my boot files and me ending up not being able to boot into windows anymore without a clean full re-install
15:38<Ayporos>it is possible*
15:39<amphi_>Ayporos: why would you do that? grub can boot windows perfectly well, as far as I know
15:39<Ayporos>(For your information, the reason I am worried about this is because I've experienced it before with an ubuntu install/deinstall next to vista)
15:40<Ayporos>What happens when I 'remove' grub though? Also keep in mind I already have win7 installed, so if I have to take extra measures (moving partition to free up first 1024 clusters or stuff like that) I'd like to know how to do that or wether its done automatically
15:40*amphi_ knows nothing of the windows bootloader
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15:40<Ayporos>uh, by remove grub I mean remove linux*
15:40<Ayporos>Will grub continue to load my windows even though I deleted linux?
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15:41<Ayporos>and do I have to free up some sort of 'special' diskspace if I want grub to take over booting? (or will just shrinking my current NTFS windows partition do the job)
15:41<amphi>I doubt it - no would the windows bootloader boot anything if you deleted windows, I suspect
15:42<amphi>although win7 does have a /boot it seems
15:42<Ayporos>yes, it does
15:42<amphi>/boot partition, that is
15:42<Ayporos>win7 has the ability to manually input information of a 2nd booting os
15:42<Ayporos>Which is why for my purposes I am more interrested in using that than replacing it with Grub (as I am 100% sure I will continue to use win7, but I can't say the same for linux)
15:43<lluvia>I have no /boot/grub tree, maybe it is the cause that grub don't works
15:43<amphi>how eccentric
15:43<noflash>heh
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15:43<Ayporos>Do you think I should go bug some windows help IRC channel? Or don't you guys mind?
15:43<amphi>lluvia: it certainly won't help ;)
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15:43<noflash>Ayporos, prolly more a windows question
15:44<amphi>Ayporos: the windows bootloader is fairly offtopic in here; #windows on freenode perhaps
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15:44<Ayporos>I'll check that right away, thnx.
15:45<lluvia>grub package don't create grub directory because of it wait that it was created in installation process?
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15:46<Ayporos>Oh, freenode doesn't support mibbit.. hèh, talk about pushing your own webbased client
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15:49<lluvia>I accept ideas with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY :P
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15:51<Dreakon>Hey guys. What in your opinions is the most lightweight audio player for Linux?
15:51<Dreakon>I don't care about features or anything, just something that can hold maybe 8 gigs of music and play them lol.
15:51<amphi>moc must be pretty lightweight
15:52<amphi>nad has nice features
15:52<Dreakon>lol, moc is pretty interesting actually
15:52<Dreakon>but out of the console would be preferable :P
15:53<amphi>you can send it away, and control it through keybindings
15:53<Dreakon>not sure what nad is. im using Rhythmbox right now and im not a huge fan of how slowly it scrolls through my music and how warm it alone makes my pc
15:54<amphi>a typo
15:54<Lethalman>Dreakon, mplayer from console
15:54<amphi>gui players will be like that; quodlibet I quite liked, before I switched to moc
15:54<Lethalman>ah
15:54<Lethalman>didn't read no console
15:56<Dreakon>can moc make a big list of all my music and shuffle through it?
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15:56<amphi>yes
15:56<Dreakon>hmm
15:56<Dreakon>and what if I need to use terminal while I listen to music?
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15:57<amphi>q
15:57<amphi>and the interface goes away
15:58<amphi>it is a client/server so you can quit the client without interrupting the music
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16:02<Dreakon>well, I installed the moc package... any idea how to run it? I'm still pretty new to Linux lol
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16:03<amphi>mocp
16:03<amphi>then 'a' will recursively add the selected directory to the playlist
16:03<amphi>h for keybindings
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16:27<blueVenom>i need some help with a cisco aironet 340 card
16:27<blueVenom>everytime i try to run dhclient i get unknown hardware type 801 and it doesn't connect ot anyting
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16:27<chrysn>i just had a look at the build log of libao on amd64 (https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=libao;ver=1.0.0-3;arch=amd64;stamp=1270658079; related to bug#576604), and found lines saying
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16:28<blueVenom>i have loaded the airo and ath modules...still no luck
16:28<chrysn>keyblock resource `/home/buildd/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': file open error ... warning: failed to verify signature on ./libao_1.0.0-3.dsc
16:28<chrysn>can this be a problem?
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16:28<chrysn>(security-wise, that is)
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16:29<blueVenom>does anyone think they can help me out with my cisco aironet 340 wifi card?
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16:36<varenne>!list
16:36<dpkg>varenne: VATTENE VIA
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16:38<blueVenom>does anyone think they can help me out with my cisco aironet 340 wifi card?
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16:38<muzy>!list
16:38<dpkg>muzy: VATTENE VIA
16:38<muzy>hum
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16:43<lluvia>grub problem was solved like that: installing grub2; grub-install /dev/hdx; grub-update :)
16:44<lluvia>update-grub*
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16:45<Ayporos>Important quesiton: is my onboard ASUS WiFi-AP@N Wlan hardware supported by linux (debian)? I found a 'linux driver' on the ASUStek website but don't know if the latest stable release of debian supports it / has a package for it already? My mobo is an Asus P5Q3 Deluxe
16:46<Ayporos>(I could find this out if I tried to install it, but I want to know beforehand because otherwise I won't install linux at all, as it would serve no point)
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16:57<bremner_>Ayporos: you could boot a live cd/usb-key and run lspci, then we'd be able to tell you more
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16:58<Ayporos>Yeah, plan on doing that soon. Prolly not tonight tho
16:58<Ayporos>Still gotta download me something that can burn my debian dvd isos first
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16:59<Ayporos>(I should have some R and/or RW dvd's laying around somewhere)
16:59<Ayporos>Though, if I recall correctly, you can only make bootable dvds from R's? right? or am I confusing this with having to 'finalize' the disk?
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17:00<dondelelcaro>Ayporos: not necessarily
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17:18<drOK>greetings to everyone! first time asking help from the debian community....
17:19<drOK>I'm newuser of MEPIS Linux 8.0 [Lenny / 2.6.27 / KDE 3.5x]. When installing software yesterday, I effectively "broke" Aptitude - and now can't manage packages by issuing standard <apt-get> commands. The following error dialogue results from any invokation of <apt>. Closing the dialogue
17:19<drOK>...kills the process. The counsel of anyone who's familiar with Aptitude is sorely needed! Thanks!
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17:19<drOK>E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. Please increase the size of APT::Cache-Limit. Current value: 2000000. (man 5 apt.conf) E: Error occurred while processing cli-common-dev (NewVersion1) E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. E: _c
17:20<drOK>E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
17:20<AlBaTrOs>hello all linux debian users :)
17:20<drOK>hi
17:20<AlBaTrOs>can someone help me with some issues about my debian distro?
17:21<AlBaTrOs>the damn grub won't work
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17:22<AlBaTrOs>can anyone help me pls?
17:22<drOK>@alba: did u just install the filesystem(s) or has GRUB been your working bootloader in the past?
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17:22<bja>!@
17:22<dpkg>@ is used to separate the username from the hostname in an email address, to denote channel operators on IRC, and to direct comments to particular users in some web forums. It is NOT used to direct comments on IRC; use "name: ..." instead of "@name ...".
17:23<AlBaTrOs>ok i know a lot about irc but that msg just didn't appear
17:23<AlBaTrOs>the thing is that i just finished installing debian i386 neinst
17:23<AlBaTrOs>netinst
17:24<AlBaTrOs>and after all the settings made, and installation done
17:24<drOK>unetbootin?
17:24<AlBaTrOs>unetbootin?
17:24<AlBaTrOs>what is that
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17:24<drOK>have u tried using unetbootin for net installation?
17:25<AlBaTrOs>sorry i'm just a newbie in this and i have no ideea how to repair install and others
17:25<AlBaTrOs>what is unetbootin? distro or app?
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17:25<adb>http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
17:25<drOK>crossplatform application
17:26<drOK>thanks for that link, i was struggling to remember...
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17:26<AlBaTrOs>sorry to ask but what can i use that app for?
17:26<hahnp1>!unetbootin
17:26<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>.
17:26<drOK>well, let me first ask: are you stuck with the GRUB boot error and aren't able to get into your desktop?
17:26<AlBaTrOs>i already have live linux usb creator
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17:27<AlBaTrOs>but it won't work
17:27<bja>AlBaTrOs: have you installed debian or not?
17:27<AlBaTrOs>yes
17:27<bja>Can you boot?
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17:27<AlBaTrOs>no
17:27<bja>Where are you stuck?
17:27<AlBaTrOs>it stop at cpu_idle+0x1c...
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17:28<bja>How much time it has been idling there?
17:28<AlBaTrOs>a few hours
17:28<hahnp1>^^
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17:28<drOK>Wrong initrd>
17:28<AlBaTrOs>then what should i do?
17:28<drOK>Wrong <initrd=...>?
17:28<bja>AlBaTrOs: Fresh install?
17:28<drOK>he
17:29<drOK>s/he's not got a livecd
17:29<drOK>right?
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17:29<AlBaTrOs>no live cd/usb wants to work
17:29<AlBaTrOs>usb doesn't seem to work in any distro
17:29<bja>AlBaTrOs: Is it a fresh install?
17:30<AlBaTrOs>live cd did...but same problem with cpu_idle
17:30<bja>a new install?
17:30<AlBaTrOs>same thing everytime
17:30<bja>AlBaTrOs: Damn it can you answear the question please
17:30<amphi>heh
17:30<adb>AlBaTrOs, it's a laptop?
17:30<AlBaTrOs>i've installed it 15 times in more than 12 hours
17:30<drOK>BIOS settings: Boot drive order must have optical drive(s) and/or USB drive(s) *before* HDD
17:30<AlBaTrOs>desktop pc
17:31<adb>AlBaTrOs, which model ?
17:31<bja>AlBaTrOs: So you have two computers right now. One broken and one that you are using for irc
17:31<AlBaTrOs>intel celeron 2ghz
17:31<AlBaTrOs>1gb ddr1
17:31<AlBaTrOs>hdd ata 120 gb
17:31<AlBaTrOs>yes bja
17:31<AlBaTrOs>i'm on the windows laptop on irc
17:31<bja>AlBaTrOs: ok, did you check the cd you used to install debian?
17:32<drOK>New question: Where do i search for help with apt-get and cache?
17:32<AlBaTrOs>what to check on debian cd?
17:32<bja>the hash of the cd
17:32<AlBaTrOs>i used the same cd-rw i used on other dektops to install debian
17:32<bja>or the hash of iso image
17:33<AlBaTrOs>and same distro
17:33<bja>it does not mean it did get scratched
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17:34<bja>drOK: google debian reference card. I just can't remember the direct url
17:34<AlBaTrOs>strange thing is that the computer came with red hat 2 years ago when i bought it
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17:34*bja gives up
17:34<AlBaTrOs>and second...i tried red hat 9 and mandrake 8 on it and still doesn't work
17:34*bja goes for a beer
17:35<AlBaTrOs>drOK what do you presume it has?
17:36<adb>AlBaTrOs, so , you installed what ?
17:36<AlBaTrOs>debian netinst i386
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17:38<adb>AlBaTrOs, gets some error in installing it?
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17:38<AlBaTrOs>no error at installation
17:38<AlBaTrOs>just at start-up
17:39<adb>AlBaTrOs, use double boot ?
17:39<AlBaTrOs>it finishes succesfully
17:39<AlBaTrOs>how can i do that?
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17:40<adb>install multiple OS ?
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17:40<AlBaTrOs>any recommandations on which 2 os should i install?
17:41<adb>AlBaTrOs, do /j #debian-ro
17:41<bja>!beer adb
17:41*dpkg deftly decants a fine Bornem Tripple for adb
17:41<adb>bja, tkx
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17:45<hahnp1>!bored
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17:46<bja>!tell hahnp1 about !qotd0
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17:48<hahnp1>hm...
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17:49<hahnp1>!tell hahnp about !quotd0
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17:49<bja>It seems it only works on /msg or directly on the channel
17:49<bja>!qotd0
17:49<dpkg><jarjar26> how can i start gnome automatically when gnome start ?
17:50<hahnp1>^^
17:50<hahnp1>!quotd1
17:50<hahnp1>!qotd1
17:50<dpkg><Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it
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17:51<bja>hahnp1: /msg dpkg works fine also
17:52<hahnp1>hehe yes i see... i have the apt_dump local ^^
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17:54<bja>hahnp1: there are a few of those with my nick courtesy of locklace
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18:06<houms>I have a problem with openvpn client where in kde4 it does not prompt for cert password. It works fine with network-manager in gnome (tested in vm) but the kde4 manager does not prompt for the password
18:07<houms>it attempts to connect and fails immediately
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18:12<titan8990>houms: did you check the BTS or consider filing a bug report? since you seem to be running testing or sid...
18:13<ivan_>speak spanish??
18:13<houms>running testing
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18:13<houms>my spanish is elementary
18:13<ivan_>oh ok
18:13<raylu>!es
18:13<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
18:13<ivan_>i need help
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18:14<ivan_>ok thanks
18:15<ivan_>when enter a /join #debian-es ????????
18:15<ivan_>help me please
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18:16<houms>help with?
18:16<bja>!es-social ivan_
18:16<dpkg>ivan_: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:16<bja>done
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18:43<bja>What might be wrong when you aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav and instead of just sounding for a second or so, it keeps going and going?
18:44<titan8990>I would strace it
18:45<bja>titan8990: On the other end there is a total noob. Any simpler process?
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18:48<titan8990>bja: total newb? thought I saw you in here quite often. pastebin the output and I will have a look. Which version are you running?
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18:48<bja>titan8990: its not mine, its ivan_ ;P
18:49<titan8990>bja: well, it sounds like a bug. what version is he running?
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18:49<bja>bug where?
18:49<bja>he says he is running debian lenny
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18:51<titan8990>bja: not sure where but the sound looping is not expected behavior and not something that I would think is effected by the system's configuration
18:51<titan8990>bja: it may not help but you should get him to pastebin an strace for my own curiousity :)
18:52<bja>titan8990: how do i paste an strace of a program that does an infinite loop?
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18:54<titan8990>bja: just a section of it... strace command &> strace.txt; wait 10 secs or so and kill it
18:54<bja>titan8990: ok your strace is on the way
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18:55<kurumin>oi
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18:56<Armageddon>I installed Debian Lenny and changed the source.list to squeeze to go into testing, I did a safe upgrade using the update manager and now I have a lot of broken packages that I can't fix by either aptitude, apt-get or synaptic, any feedbacks ?
18:56<kurumin>q
18:57<houms>-f option not working either?
18:57<Armageddon>no
18:57<Armageddon>maybe its cause I installed KDE ?
18:58<Armageddon>I mean both KDE and Gnome
18:58<titan8990>!testing
18:58<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
18:58<titan8990>Armageddon: take note of the 3rd sentence and have fun
18:58<bja>!beer titan8990
18:58*dpkg pulls out a tasty Piraat for titan8990
18:59<Armageddon>titan8990: I do, I had squeeze before but needed to format, but never had KDE
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18:59<houms>titan you could try smxi
18:59<houms>sorry i mean armageddon
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19:01<titan8990>Armageddon: I don't believe that someone with sound knowledge of debian packaging would have used the update manager to upgrade to squeeze... and not know what to do when some packages were broken
19:02<Armageddon>titan8990, I used to use apt-get before, but this time I used the update manager for some reason
19:03<titan8990>!why aptitude
19:03<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).
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19:08<zeus>how do i set mru (not mtu!) for eth0 ??
19:10<bja>zeus: Enlighten this poor mortal what the heck is mru?
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19:11<zeus>mru is the Maximum receiving unit
19:13<zeus>i've set linux as a gateway it share a ppp connection via eth0. the problem is that ppp0 has mtu for 1492 and eth0 1500. this cause connection problems
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19:14<zeus>i'd like to set mru for eth0 on the gateway instead of changing mtu for all lan CLIENTS
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19:18<bja>zeus: Your problem is over my head. I think you can find some info here http://lartc.org/
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19:31<bja>zeus: where do you set the mtu for the ppp0?
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19:32<zeus>bja: i do not set it ... it 's 1492 by default ant it is the right value ! :-(
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19:33<houms>what is the gateway device?
19:33<titan8990>I think ethtool can change mtu
19:33<zeus>is an usb adsl 2 modem
19:34<bja>zeus: for what i remember of ppp conections you had to have a config file where you setted up mtu and mru together
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19:35<zeus>bja: the problema is not the ppp interface but eth0 interace that receive 1500 byte packets ... it should receive 1492 byte packets .... so ...
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19:36<zeus>i can manually tune lan clients eth interfaces to 1492 or simply tell my eth0 card to receive 1492 packets ... i'll prefer the second !
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19:37<houms>eth0 acting as gateway address?
19:37<bja>MTU is maximum transfer unit, i guess if you set that to 1492 the problem will go to the eth0 interface. Am i right?
19:38<houms>are you using interfaces file?
19:39<zeus>unfortunatly not ! because in this way you tell to eth0 to send 1492 packets to to receive at 1492 so client still send at 1500 and this cause fragmentation
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19:41<bja>zeus: even if you used mru on ppp0 it would cause fragmentation. I believe if you want to avoid it, you will have to do the long trip by enabling mtu to 1492 on your machines
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19:42<bja>It is either the clients get to do the work or the gateway gets to fit the packets as they flow
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19:43<zeus>"even if you used mru on ppp0 it would cause fragmentation" infact i'd like to set it to eth0 (LAN side) !
19:43<bja>zeus: typo i meant eth0
19:44<zeus>bja: ohhh ... ok !
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19:49<zeus>bja: it seems i've found a solution. It's not based on the mru but on iptables (letting frags to forward). if you 're intrested https://blue-labs.org/howto/mtu-mss.php
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19:50<zeus>bja: i'll test for it tomorrow ... it's a bit late ... thank you for your help, i've very appreciated it !
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20:38<dark_farmer>heyo, How do I scan for a wifi signal?
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20:39<bja>iwlist scan yourcard
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20:39<dark_farmer>i can find my card in ifconfig?
20:39<dr|z3d>dark_farmer: you could try kismet, perhaps.
20:39<dark_farmer>i jsut need something super simple
20:39<houms>dark_farmer
20:39<dark_farmer>no gui
20:40<houms>using interfaces file?
20:40<dark_farmer>yep
20:40<houms>what kind of card is it?
20:40<bja>dark_farmer: for you to be able to scan first you have to set up your card
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20:41<dark_farmer>the card is setup and works fine, i jsut dont know how to find available networks unless i know the SSID
20:41<dark_farmer>houms: its an Atheros something i think
20:41<houms>lspci | grep -i wireless
20:41<bja>dark_farmer: iwconfig
20:42<houms>what is returned?
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20:42<houms>iwlist -scanning
20:42<houms>--scanning
20:42<dark_farmer>houms: Atheros AR242x
20:43<dark_farmer>iwlist scanning, perfect
20:43<dark_farmer>haha silly question maybe, but how do i scroll up :)
20:43<bja>dark_farmer: so?
20:43<bja>page up
20:43<houms>shift + pageup
20:43<dark_farmer>ah ok
20:43<dark_farmer>cool, thanks folks
20:44<dark_farmer>just what i needed
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20:44<bja>dark_farmer: so you know how to set up the nick to connect to the net?
20:44<dark_farmer>so from looking at iwlist -scanning, can you tell which ones are open or require wpa, wep, etc ?
20:44<dark_farmer>bja, what do you mean by nick
20:45<dark_farmer>nic?
20:45<bja>card
20:45<dark_farmer>ah, well i don't know how to set it up... i just know that it works
20:45<houms>is encryption on?
20:46<dark_farmer>houms: can't belive i didnt see that
20:46<houms>it's all good
20:46<dark_farmer>bja: i actually installed over wifi, really painless
20:46<dark_farmer>i love debian :D
20:46<houms>+1
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20:47<houms>truly the unverisal operating system
20:47<dark_farmer>oh wait... i can't scroll to the top of the list, ran out of room
20:47<dark_farmer>can i pipe the output to a text file or something?
20:48<bja>better to a pager like less or most
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20:48<dark_farmer>so less | iwlist -scanning ?
20:48<bja>you can redirect to a file using >
20:48<bja>fail
20:48<dark_farmer>haha
20:48<houms>I dont think less will
20:48<houms>lol
20:48<bja>iwlist -scanning|less
20:48<dark_farmer>ok cool
20:48<bja>no
20:48<bja>i failed
20:49<houms>yes you did
20:49<houms>lol
20:49<houms>j/k
20:49<bja>no, i messed thing it does work
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20:49<bja>typo on ewlist he he
20:49<dark_farmer>wtf
20:49<dark_farmer>unknown command "-scanning"
20:50<dark_farmer>oh
20:50<dark_farmer>haha
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20:50<dark_farmer>nm
20:50<bja>dark_farmer: iwlist eth1 scan| less
20:51<bja>substitute eth1 for your nic name
20:51<bja>wlan or whatever you are using
20:51<dark_farmer>right
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20:52<dark_farmer>this is awesome
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20:52<dark_farmer>so in /etc/network/interfaces, Do I replace whats there or can i just add another network to it?
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21:02<amitz>dark_farmer: can just add.
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21:05<hugoxrosa>Hi, there is some way to install packages without internet access? My network board have burned.
21:07<hugoxrosa>There another way or should I have to burn all CDs.
21:08<dark_farmer>amitz: how does it decide which network to connect to?
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21:08<amitz>it will try to connect to all. As for which internet connection it will use, I don't know the automatic rule.
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21:09<amitz>hugoxrosa: need to burn 1 install CD, from there, there are many painful paths...
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21:10<amitz>or use a working computer, create an image to be installed in that broken one, copy the image to that broken one using live cd.
21:11<amitz>to b einstalled for
21:11<hugoxrosa>amitz, thank you, the computer is working I just don't have internet access at it.
21:12<hugoxrosa>I need to install packages to make wireless device to work
21:12<chealer>hugoxrosa: yes (dpkg can install deb files)
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21:12<amitz>ah, being specific always help. You can copy the package to the computer, and install manually using dpkg as said above.
21:13<hugoxrosa>amitz, ok now I understand... sory
21:13<hugoxrosa>amitz, thank you...
21:13<hugoxrosa>I need to download from debian.org?
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21:16<chealer>hugoxrosa: you can download from any Debian mirror
21:17<hugoxrosa>thanks chealer
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21:48<sney>I wonder if anyone has ported linux to the ipad yet.
21:49*dvs gets right on it
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22:16<koolmena>buenas noches alguien en español ?
22:16<sney>!es
22:16<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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22:16<koolmena>gracias
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22:17<sney>de nada
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22:46<twb>Is it just me, or are sid's src:ruby1.8 fucked (due to missing Replaces or similar)?
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23:01<Fireking300>For grep how would I remove every thing except 0-9, *, -, [ ] , and period and question mark ?
23:02*Cygnus looks at the back of his mind and sees "man grep"
23:03<sney>they have whole books on regexps too
23:03<Fireking300>Well I just need a simple command. :P I am trying to strip everything out of this long file.
23:04<twb>sney: I don't know why. It's not like regex is complicated.
23:04<Cygnus>Fireking300: if i am going to do your work, i want a cut on your paycheck
23:04<Fireking300>Found it
23:04<Fireking300>:P
23:04<Fireking300>grep [[0-9]\*\-\[\]\.\?]
23:04<Fireking300>Took me a hour. :(
23:05*Cygnus is ashamed of not knowing how to structure a regexp properly
23:06-!-mode/#debian [+l 382] by debhelper
23:08<twb>Fireking300: in which dialect?
23:09<twb>Oh, grep
23:09<twb>grep '[[:digit:]*.?][-]'
23:09<Fireking300>That will remove or keep them?
23:10<twb>Oops, that should end in []-]
23:10<twb>Grep doesn't "remove" or "keep" matches, anyway.
23:11<Fireking300>Then how would I do what I want. O.o
23:14<twb>I don't know what you want.
23:15<Fireking300>For grep how would I remove every thing except 0-9, *, -, [ ] , and period and question mark ? The file name is list.txt and i want to export it to list2.txt
23:16<twb>Fireking300: grep doesn't remove things, so that goal is meaningless.
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23:16<Fireking300>It removed lines beginning with # for me. O.o
23:16<twb>You could use tr to remove bytes from a stream.
23:17<Fireking300>grep -v “^#” list.txt > list2.txt
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23:17<Fireking300>that removed everyline that had #
23:18<adb>!grep
23:18<dpkg>rumour has it, grep is at http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/grep.html (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep.) or called that because of ed's g/RE/p command, which does the same thing or "Marvel at the beautiful plumage of the wild grep as it glides lazily through the thick morning ASCII.". Global Regular Expression Print
23:19<Fireking300>So I cant do what I want with grep? :(
23:19<TCW>somehow I get the feeling software-center is crap
23:20<rpetre>hello, is there a way to convince d-i to use detected disks without a partition table? just format/mount the devices themselves.
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23:20<twb>rpetre: I don't think so.
23:21<twb>rpetre: MAYBE if you boot with expert (priority=low), but I don't think so.
23:21<rpetre>i tried, but the parted menu insists of believing that if i don't want a partition table, it should not look at disks
23:21<twb>rpetre: generally I prefer to take the 512b hit in order to make it harder to someone to accidentally put the disk in a Windows machine and say "oh hey, this is empty, <wipe>"
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23:22<rpetre>twb: actually it's a xen machine and the disks are LVs
23:22<rpetre>lack of partition table might mean mountable snapshots
23:23<twb>rpetre: then it's easy. Just do the install normally, then fix the LV from the dom0
23:24<rpetre>i don't understand
23:24<twb>rpetre: do you control the dom0?
23:24<rpetre>yes
23:24<rpetre>/dev/vg/foo becomes /dev/xvda in domU
23:25<rpetre>if i use /dev/xvda1 as root, i have a 512 offset of te filesystem on lv, plus all sorts of xvda1 references inside it
23:26<twb>OK, so what you do is do the install, then fdisk -ul /dev/foo/bar to find out the offset of the partition, then dd if=/dev/foo/bar offset=$((63*512)) of=/var/tmp/bar.img; cat /var/tmp/bar.img /dev/foo/bar; e2fsck /dev/foo/bar; resize2fs /dev/foo/bar; mount /dev/foo/bar /mnt; ed /mnt/etc/fstab; ed /mnet/boot/grub/menu.cfg; umount /mnt
23:26<twb>...more or less.
23:26<twb>The number of references to xvda1 should be minimal (cf. hostname).
23:27<rpetre>mph, this blows my wonderful snapshottable-preseedable-automated-install idea out of the water :(
23:27<twb>For bonus points you can switch to UUID/LABEL, which will probably be needed for .33 onwards anyway
23:27<rpetre>oh, and a pony!
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23:28<twb>rpetre: automating it is tedious, but not impossible
23:28<rpetre>hm, maybe if i format the LV in advance...
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23:28<rpetre>twb: on that route, i'm better off with some sort of debootstrap
23:28<twb>And you MIGHT be able to force d-i to use /dev/xvda directly via preseeding
23:29<rpetre>but that would mean admiting defeat :P
23:29<twb>rpetre: bootstrap is a right pain in the arse
23:29<rpetre>agreed
23:29<twb>Because you have to write stuff like /etc/hosts by hand
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23:30<rpetre>that would be scriptable too
23:30<rpetre>but i don't like that way, i call it the ugly way :)
23:30<rpetre>preseed++
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23:31<rpetre>the parted preseeding idea is good, i was going to do that anyway in the end
23:31<rpetre>thanks
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23:37<adb>rpetre, aware about fai ?
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23:39<rpetre>used it a while ago, since then i kinda fell in love with preseed files and my own cfengine
23:39<rpetre>but it seems partman won't accept disks without partition tables
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23:40<rpetre>adb: anything useful for this that fai might help with? can't really remember how it did the partitioning
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23:41<adb>rpetre, see fai manual
23:41<rpetre>i will
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23:50<rpetre>http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/doc/man/setup-storage.html - it doesn't seem that setup-storage might cut it either, but maybe i'll manage to shortcut it somewhere
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23:51<rpetre>but since it's morning already, i'll leave it for another sleepless night. thanks for the tips
23:52<adb>rpetre, noapte buna .. copii
23:52<rpetre>oh, there is: the 'virtual' option. nice
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