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---Logopened Thu Apr 08 00:00:57 2010
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00:08<Cygnus>Is there a safe way to install one program form squezze into testing without messing thing up badly? (xmonad)
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00:15<dark_farmer>whats the best way to run multiple programs without a Windows manager?
00:16<Cygnus>depends on the programs themselves
00:16<adb>Cygnus, squeeze and testing are same thing ( for now)
00:16<dark_farmer>jsut simple stuff, irc etc
00:16<Cygnus>adb: sorry the programs are on testing and i want them to run on stable
00:16<Cygnus>dark_farmer: screen
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00:17<adb>Cygnus, check backports
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00:18<rpetre>twb, adb: i found and it may seem that my quest would not be necessary after all since kpartx seems to answer my initial requirements
00:19<Cygnus>, xmonad
00:19<Cygnus>, versions xmonad
00:19<judd>xmonad -- lenny: 0.7-2; lenny-backports: 0.8-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.9.1-2+b1; squeeze: 0.9.1-2+b1
00:19<Cygnus>adb: ^^
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00:23<adb>rpetre, i'll recommend to enter #grub on freenode
00:23<adb>!tell Cygnus -about ssb
00:25<rpetre>adb: i just did
00:25<adb>seen ..
00:25<MadMaMa>adb: I haven't seen .. say anything plz
00:26<Cygnus>adb: thx i'll recompile acordingly. i was looking for a simpler soluthion though.
00:26<adb>what ? new troll > MadMaMa
00:28<adb>Cygnus, try /j #xmonad
00:28*Cygnus looks for his troll killing gun !ops
00:28<Cygnus>adb: @
00:29<Cygnus>4 people here vs 155 on freenode
00:29<adb>4 people yes, but debian ppl
00:29<Cygnus>good point
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00:31<warner>hello everyone
00:32<warner>i need some help on setting up environment variable in ubuntu
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00:32<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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00:35<pythagoras>hey all wats ups
00:36<pythagoras>can some help me
00:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
00:36<pythagoras>have problem with sound.....
00:36<Mitsubishiman>ur deaf....]
00:36<Mitsubishiman>problem solved
00:37<pythagoras>iam running 2.6.26-2-amd64 debian
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00:43<Cygnus>pythagoras: unless you state your problem noone will be able to answear it. Merlin went home this decade so he can't read your mind.
00:44<pythagoras>ive got no sound...
00:45<Cygnus>!tell pythagoras about alsa-checklist
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00:49<pythagoras>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
00:49<pythagoras>aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory
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00:58<dark_farmer>weird, im banned in this chan on my laptop
00:58<steffan>dark_farmer: do you IRC as root?
00:59<dark_farmer>yeah i think i am root
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00:59<steffan>dark_farmer: #debian: ban *!*root@* - don't IRC as root on that computer
01:00<steffan>dark_farmer: or in general
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01:00<kynian>Can anyone help me out with a problem I'm having with MYSQL?
01:00<dark_farmer>ah ok, thanks
01:01<pythagoras>got problems with sound..
01:01<steffan>dpkg: tell kynian -bout mysql
01:01<steffan>dpkg: tell kynian -about mysql
01:02<steffan>pythagoras: what problems?
01:02<pythagoras>hi steffan
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01:02<steffan>pythagoras: hi
01:02<pythagoras>iam trying to play a song with vlc and all other players but no sound
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01:03<sney>!alsa checklist
01:03<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
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01:04<kynian>I know about mysql, I'm just getting an error that I cant seem to find a way to fix.
01:04<steffan>kynian: pastebin the error
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01:06<rpetre>kynian: either the server is not started, or it doesn't listen on that socket
01:06<pythagoras>ok this is what iam getting Steffan
01:06<rpetre>most likely the first case
01:07<pythagoras>ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
01:07<pythagoras>aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory
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01:08<kynian>rpetre: When I try to start mysql it gives me this
01:09<sney>kynian: try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
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01:09<rpetre>check /var/log/mysql.log
01:10<kynian>it just opens a blank file.
01:10<rpetre>sorry, on debian it's in syslog
01:10<rpetre>/var/log/daemon.log, look for mysqld lines
01:13<kynian>should I pastebin the latest mysql stuff?
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01:16<kynian> that was the latest page
01:16<rpetre>unknown option '--kip-bdb'
01:16<rpetre>that should be --skip-bdb
01:17<rpetre>in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, iirc
01:17<kynian>hmm I must have accidently deleted the s. let me go take a look
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01:18<rpetre>in general, the lines marked with [ERROR] are nice to pay attention to :P
01:19<kynian>haha yeah, sorry I'm still learning
01:19<rpetre>no problem
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01:21<kynian>awesome it works now, thanks a lot rpetre
01:22<rpetre>you're welcome
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01:25<sney>is there a way to get a running linux system to report what the motherboard chipset is?
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01:28<jm_>sney: sometimes
01:28<sney>never mind, I remembered dmidecode which is close enough
01:28<jm_>yeah that's the one
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01:34<sney>hooray, it appears I can upgrade my firewall/media server with the cpu from my dead desktop
01:36<jm_>heh, I keep thinking whether to use a computer for this or buy some media player - the problem with those is I need it to support IP TV and not many can do that, or if they can, their playlist functionality is typically shit
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01:38<sney>mine just streams video to $gameconsole
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01:39<twb>sney: lshw, dmidecode, lspci give hints
01:39<sney>lshw! that was the other one I was trying to remember
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01:57<steffan>pythagoras: hi
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02:08<dserban_>what's being used now to handle cpu frequency scaling on squeeze (for an AMD cpu)? is powernowd required still?
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02:16<jm_>dserban_: not really, even in lenny
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02:21<dserban_>jm_, hmm do you remember what modules I need to load? I tried powernow-k8 and it tells me there's no such device.
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02:25<jm_>dserban_: which CPU do you have?
02:25<dserban_>jm_, opteron 165 (socket 939(
02:25<dserban_>err *939)
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02:28<jm_>dserban_: let me see
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02:33<dserban_>jm_, see?
02:33<jm_>dserban_: which kernel version are you using?
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02:34<dserban_>uname -a
02:34<dserban_>Linux orion 2.6.32-3-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 24 18:07:42 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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02:40<jm_>dserban_: hmm are they perhaps using ACPI cpufreq perhaps like newer Intel CPU-s?
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02:54<jm_>and are you sure CPU supports cpufreq?
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03:02<Jeanvaljean>anyone good at wget? I have some question to ask
03:04<EmleyMoor>Jeanvaljean: Ask away
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03:05<Jeanvaljean>I want to download a website,but I just want to down one folder under the site so I use wget -L http://*****.com/foldername
03:05<Jeanvaljean>but it tells me that 403 forbidden
03:05<Jeanvaljean>but if I just wget http://*****.com/foldername/xxxx.pdf it can works
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03:06<Jeanvaljean>so now I have to mirror the whole site
03:06<dr|z3d>Normal, Jeanvaljean.
03:06<dr|z3d>You're being denied access to the virtual directory listings.
03:06<dr|z3d>Many sites do that to prevent you enumerating contents in directories.
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03:07<pythagoras>what a good firewall for debian build into the repos
03:07<twb>If it were me, I'd just use an HTTPD that didn't support directory listings
03:08<twb>pythagoras: there's only one: netfilter.
03:08<dr|z3d>pythagoras: If you want a UI, install firestarter perhaps.
03:08<dr|z3d>That will pull in required dependencies.
03:08<pythagoras>oh cool
03:09<pythagoras>firestarter thats the one.thx
03:09<dr|z3d>you already have iptables installed, it's just passive.
03:09<dr|z3d>firestarter will give you a UI to configure iptables, in essence. a lot easier for most.
03:09<pythagoras>hmm not in repos
03:10<twb>IMO anyone creating a firewall should know what they're doing.
03:10<dr|z3d>judd versions firestarter
03:10<twb>That is, they should learn how to use iptables-restore(8) directly.
03:10<judd>firestarter -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3; lenny: 1.0.3-6; sid: 1.0.3-8; squeeze: 1.0.3-8
03:10<jm_>otherwise they will get stuck soon enough
03:12<pythagoras>ok getting there slowly just a newbie but this package is good
03:12<jm_>!iptables tutorial
03:12<dpkg>rumour has it, iptables tutorial is
03:13<twb>IMO #netfilter on Freenode (and its FAQ) is your best introduction to iptables.
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03:14<pythagoras>anyone have ati card installed in their system
03:14<dr|z3d>pythagoras: gufw is your other option.
03:15<dr|z3d>judd versions gufw
03:15<judd>gufw -- sid: 9.10.2-1; squeeze: 9.10.2-1
03:15<dr|z3d>gufw and firestarter are roughly feature equivalent.
03:16<jm_>yes, many people use ATI cards
03:16<dr|z3d>pythagoras: grab the ati installer, perhaps, from their site. dead easy to install.
03:16<pythagoras>ok ive installed the drivers for 64bit..radeod hd 5770 getting
03:17<pythagoras>No protocol specified
03:17<pythagoras>Error: unable to open display (null
03:17<pythagoras>when i run fglrxinfo
03:17<pythagoras>strange never had that before
03:19<pythagoras>ufw and firestart thx
03:19<dr|z3d>you won't find firestart in the repos..
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03:30<beers>where can I find the daily build of the networkinstaller
03:30<beers>I can only find the networkinstaller from the 22 of marts
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03:43<paparsifal>hi all
03:43<paparsifal>it seems i have corrupted files
03:43<paparsifal>on my server
03:43<paparsifal>when i ls -l /lib
03:43<paparsifal>some files reports with ???
03:44<paparsifal>sample :
03:44<paparsifal>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 46K 2009-03-24 10:08 -????????? ? ? ? ? ? lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2009-05-07 14:45 ->
03:44<paparsifal>fschk report partition as clean
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03:45<TCW>paparsifal, is there a story to this issue?
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03:46<TCW>paparsifal, in other words, draw a bigger picture, like what have you done, what happend, when did it happen what were the circumstances...
03:47<paparsifal>i simply rebooted my server
03:47<paparsifal>it seems there was an electrical problem
03:47<TCW>what kind of problem?
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03:47<paparsifal>server was stalled off
03:48<TCW>stalled off?
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03:49<paparsifal>it didn't want to switch back on
03:49<paparsifal>it is in a datacenter
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03:49<TCW>so the PSU was dead?
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03:50<TCW>paparsifal, why don't you just tell the whole story?
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03:50<paparsifal>a tech had to go phisicaly to the server, he simply hard reset it i think
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03:50<paparsifal>the server came back
03:50<paparsifal>but with kernel panic
03:51<paparsifal>if've booted it in rescue mode (lan boot)
03:51<TCW>paparsifal, take your time, try to avoid the enter key
03:51<paparsifal>mounted the file system, and noticed the strange files in lib directory of my root filesystem
03:52<KcLKcL>hello, can I ask something about alsa things?
03:52<TCW>KcLKcL, don't ask to ask
03:52<KcLKcL>okay, here's the question
03:52<KcLKcL>apparently my soundcard doesn't support hardware mixing, now I need to share my soundcards among multiple process.
03:52<TCW>paparsifal, that's it?
03:52<paparsifal>that's it
03:53<TCW>KcLKcL, dmx, should be enabled on debian as default
03:53<TCW>err. dmix
03:53<KcLKcL>and now, I read in the wiki that newer ALSA doesn't have to use dmix anymore, but my soundcard doesn't do any software mixing at all..
03:53<paparsifal>i think maybe the disk has been corrupted and synced with corrupted data
03:54<TCW>paparsifal, that's thin... is userdata lost?
03:54<KcLKcL>When I run an Adobe AIR apps (Seesmic Desktop), and then launch rhythmbox, rhythmbox won't play. :(
03:54<paparsifal>it's on another partition
03:54<TCW>paparsifal, synced? Is it a raid array?
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03:54<paparsifal>it's a raid5 array with 3 disks
03:54<TCW>paparsifal, why did you omit that?
03:54<jm_>KcLKcL: it also depends on which devices alsa apps use, i.e. it own't work if thy are talking directly to hw:1,0 (or whatever the nomenclature is)
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03:55<KcLKcL>err, I guess this is because adobe air is talking directly..
03:55<TCW>paparsifal, did you check the 3 harddrives? What are the smartvalues? smart selftest done?
03:56<jm_>might be yes
03:56<paparsifal>i checked the raid array
03:56<TCW>KcLKcL, try two other apps at the same time and see if that works...
03:57<TCW>paparsifal, and that does mean what exactly?
03:57<paparsifal>fsch /dev/md1
03:57<TCW>paparsifal, I did ask about smart
03:57<paparsifal>i haven't tried sart yet
03:58<KcLKcL>I'll try that later, I have one more question, Wine sounds doesn't work with multiple processes too.. Does Wine access soundcards directly?
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03:58<TCW>paparsifal, why not?
03:58<paparsifal>i'm trying now, $
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04:00<KcLKcL>Okay, now, Firefox+Rhythmbox. Rhythmbox launched first, then I went to YouTube, and then no sound in YouTube.
04:00<TCW>KcLKcL, two processes inside one wine instance?
04:00<TCW>KcLKcL, maybe you use OSS and not alsa?
04:01<KcLKcL>I don't have OSS Installed o.0
04:01<TCW>KcLKcL, sure? How did you check that?
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04:02<paparsifal>TCW: health test passed on all 3 disks
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04:02<TCW>paparsifal, that does not mean much
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04:02<KcL>duh firefox crashed
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04:04<TCW>paparsifal, may I see the smartvalues?
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04:05<TCW>kcL, did you get my last message about how you did check if OSS is used?
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04:06<KcL>nope :(
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04:06<TCW>KcL, then assume you had and answer it? :)
04:08<paparsifal>it seems sdb is not in good shape -> 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 093 093 016 Pre-fail Always - 65567
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04:09<KcL>@TCW now, should I install OSS
04:09<TCW>KcL, _no_!
04:10<TCW>KcL, how did you check that OSS is NOT installed / used?
04:10<KcL>okay, apparently I don't have OSS installed. But I'm not sure
04:10<KcL>I just recompiled my kernel this Sunday
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04:10<KcL>how do I check btw?
04:10<TCW>paparsifal, maybe... how about a seltest?
04:11<TCW>KcL, that should not be a "btw", I did specifically ask for it so it is a priority question if you do not know how to check
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04:12<TCW>KcL, that depends on how you did compile your kernel. Why did you compile a kernel and did not use a debian kernel image?
04:12<KcL>My stock kernel lost it's sound.
04:13<KcL>I'll try to explain
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04:13<KcL>Dunno what happened, my stock kernel won't do any sounds.
04:13<KcL>and I try to compile kernel with the newest version, and now sounds works.
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04:14<KcL>BTW, before I recompiled my kernel, I removed ALSA, OSS, and Pulseaudio though.
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04:15<TCW>KcL, what exactly did you remove? And how did you check if the kernel was at fault?
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04:16<KcL>I ran out of ideas and I recompiled kernel. I removed packages: alsa, oss4, pulseaudio
04:16<TCW>KcL, in other words... I would strongly suggest you boot a debian kernel and we try to debug why the sound does not work there.
04:16<KcL>If I remember correctly. Not sure though.
04:16<TCW>KcL, it seems you are not sure about several things :)
04:17<KcL>I removed the stock kernel.. And I also recompile kernel with realtime patch so I got low latency.
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04:17<KcL>Well yeah, I'm a bit new to Linux. And new to Debian.
04:17<TCW>KcL, if you are new then I suggest you stick with the defaults... that means stock debian kernel
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04:18<jm_>yeah and if that has problems use a newer one, say from backports
04:19<KcL> yeah, I guess. Sound is working here right now. The only problem is just only 1 application can produce sound. That's why I came here...
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04:19<TCW>KcL, thing is... you can do 1000 things wrong when compiling a kernel, and at least I have no intention to dig through all those possibilities.
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04:20<TCW>KcL, and for that tiny problem could the kernel be the culprit
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04:20<TCW>KcL, for instance, see if /dev/dsp* does exist
04:21<KcL>dsp does not exist. Oh well. lol
04:21<TCW>KcL, if it does not exist that is a good sign
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04:22<KcL>dsp = oss?
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04:22<TCW>/dev/dsp* is used by OSS
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04:23<TCW>KcL, I assume /dev/snd/ does exist and is not empty?
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04:23<TCW>and has some charchter devicefiles in it?
04:23<KcL>yes, snd is exist and not emtpy
04:23<KcL>arif@arif-desktop:/dev/snd$ ls by-path controlC0 hwC0D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC0D0p pcmC0D1p pcmC0D2c timer
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04:24<TCW>KcL, does /proc/asound/cards list your soundcard?
04:25<KcL>arif@arif-desktop:/dev/snd$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia HDA NVidia at 0xfea78000 irq 23
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04:27<TCW>KcL, what alsa packages are installed?
04:27<KcL>hold on a sec
04:28<KcL>I searched for "alsa" in synaptic, I got this
04:29<KcL>alsamixergui, alsa-oss, alsa-source, freedesktop-soundtheme, gstreamer-0.10-alsa
04:29<KcL>wait, there's more
04:29<TCW>KcL, dpkg -l|grep alsa
04:29<TCW>KcL, and use
04:30<TCW>mibbit paste service sucks
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04:32<TCW>KcL, at least alsa-oss does sound to me like a little bit OSS is installed... I wonder why /dev/dsp* does not exist then, but maybe the kernel does miss something there or... whatever. Guessing sucks.
04:33<KcL>Isn't alsa-oss is just an emulation?
04:33<KcL>I think I installed it by accident.
04:33<KcL>It's now removed without complaining any dependencies
04:34<TCW>KcL, more or less... but if an application uses that "emulator", no other app can play sounds at the same time
04:34<KcL>ah i see, it is now removed :)
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04:34<TCW>KcL, so restart all sound apps (maybe relogin just to get sure) and try youtube again
04:35<KcL>okay, thanks for your help TCW :) have a nice day
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04:39<KcLKcL>okay, here's the report
04:39<KcLKcL>I have a game called StepMania, it use pulseaudio.
04:40<KcLKcL>So I launched Rhythmbox, and play a song. Then I launched that game. Rhythmbox still plays the song while the game HAS the sound.
04:40<KcLKcL>I guess it is fixed now. :)
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04:45<twb>That works even without a software muxer on most boxes I've used, at least since ALSA arrived.
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07:47<deryck>hi, i'm on lenny, and i use the b43 driver for my pcmcia wireless card. When i use the 2.6.26 kernel, internet works fine, but when i use the
07:47<deryck>2.6.30 kernel from the backports, i am constantly disassociated from the AP
07:48<gsimmons>deryck: Try 2.6.32, also available from lenny-backports.
07:48<deryck>i tried it
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07:50<deryck>gsimmons: I installed 2.6.32-bpo.3, maybe i should have chosen bpo.2 ??
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07:52<gsimmons>deryck: No, bpo.3 is fine. Are you also experiencing issues with this kernel version?
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07:54<deryck>except with 2.6.26, i have the disassociate problem.
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07:55<deryck>i'm thinking about compilating the last kernel by hand to see if there is changes
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07:56<deryck>but i don't understand anything about this problem because it's the same module since a few kernel versions...
07:58<gsimmons>deryck: What specific device do you have? Its PCI ID and reported chipset (e.g. dmesg | grep b43-phy0) would be useful.
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08:13<cq>hello, how can I best have an encrypted directory that is mounted on login?
08:15<@zobel>cq: PAM module that can mount volumes for a user session
08:15<@zobel>The module also supports mounting local filesystems of any kind the normal mount utility supports, with extra code to make sure certain volumes are set up properly because often they need more than just a ▒
08:15<@zobel>mount call, such as encrypted volumes. This includes SMB/CIFS, FUSE, dm-crypt and LUKS.
08:16<cq>zobel thanks, I'll look into it
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08:21<gsimmons>deryck: b43 is reporting use of an old firmware version, support of which is not provided in later driver versions. Ensure that you have b43-fwcutter 1:011-5 installed. You would want to remove the b43 and b43legacy directories in /lib/firmware, then run 'dpkg-reconfigure b43-fwcutter' to fetch/extract firmware (via For the b43 driver, you would want to using at least version 410.2160.
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08:21<Kjetil>Anyone else having trouble with debian testing and keyboard input in X ? (Arrow up is now print screen)
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08:22<Kjetil>It's .. quite.. annoying
08:22<bremner_>Kjetil: must depend on the keyboard or something, I don't have that problem
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08:25<Kjetil>xev resolves the keysym to Up, but the gnome launches the screenshot program.
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08:25<Lethalman>Kjetil, check keyboard shortcuts
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08:28<deryck>gsimmons: i'm gonna try that, i thought the message in dmesg was talking about the firmware files and not the fwcutter version. Thanks ;)
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08:28<gsimmons>deryck: Uh, it was talking about the firmware files. You have old (now, unsupported) ones.
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08:29<Kjetil>Lethalman: keyboard shortcuts says print. But it looks like something is very wrong. I tried to reset the keyboard shortcut to the accual print screen key. And it showed up in the list as delete
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08:43<Kjetil>And the problem was evdev-related
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08:47<Ayporos>Question: is it possible to burn Debian installer to a bootable blue-ray ?
08:47<Ayporos>Because I'd rather just burn 1 blue-ray than 5 dvd's
08:47<Kjetil>Do you need the entire dvd-set ?
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08:48<OdyX>Ayporos: if you have internet access, burning a 50 Mb image is more than enough
08:48<Ayporos>Probably not, but I downloaded it anyway
08:48<OdyX>Ayporos: that's useless if you have internet
08:48<Ayporos>I'm a 'collector' like that
08:48<OdyX>Ayporos: to answer you: yes it is possible.
08:48<Ayporos>Thanks, now that wasn't so hard right =)
08:49<Ayporos>Any specific image I should use/download or can it be done with the dvd images and the proper burning software?
08:49<Ayporos>or will I have to build an installation disk myself?
08:49<gsimmons>dpkg: tell Ayporos -about blu-ray disc
08:49<azeem>blueray images are only available as jigdo-files I believe
08:50<bremner_>torrents would make sense, I guess
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08:50<Ayporos>(I could stash the contents of the dvd images mounted using daemon tools into a map and make a blueray image off of that) ?
08:50<azeem>Ayporos: who knows
08:51<Ayporos>I'd assume atleast someone in this channel woud.. (hopefully :P)
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08:51<azeem>Ayporos: it's a rather obscure question, but maybe you are lucky
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08:51<Ayporos>btw I am using an LG blue-ray RW drive / HD-DVD-rom, Debian has no trouble detecting it I assume?
08:52<azeem>in any case, it does not look very Debian-specific, so asking in a blueray/dvd-burning channel might yield better results
08:52<Ayporos>Well, concidering it's in regards to a bootable debian installation disk, I'd say it's pretty debian specific
08:53<azeem>it's a generic question, though
08:53<Ayporos>So you recon I should just use the 50mb USB image or something?
08:53<azeem>for example
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08:54<Ayporos>or better yet, I already cleared up 60gb in windows 7, perhaps there's a windows installer that just partitions the hd space and puts the files there?
08:54<Ayporos>(that's 60gb partition, not free space)
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08:54<Ayporos>uh, actually it IS free space now, as it IS NOT a partition part anymore lol
08:55<titan8990>there is, but not produced by debian so it is not really supported here
08:55<Ayporos>oh right, yeah that's a no-go then
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08:55<Ayporos>Hm, I'll look into the USB image then
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08:55<Ayporos>does the USB image include all WLAN/LAN drivers?
08:55<azeem>Ayporos: no
08:56<azeem>Ayporos: I suggest you just try and see how it goes
08:56<titan8990>many will require firmware
08:56<Ayporos>Sorry if I seem a bit paranoid, I always prefer to be well-prepared before installing linux =)
08:57<Ayporos>(previous encoutners with it ended with hours of frustration)
08:57<jm_>I think this subject is covered in installation manual
08:57<azeem>then stay with Windows
08:57<Ayporos>no, linux wasn't frustrating
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08:57<Ayporos>REMOVING linux and trying to go back to just windows was what killed me =)
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08:58<Ayporos>(because of issues with grub being removed, thus me having no boot loader anymore. if I still had access to internet I couldave figured out I could do a fixmbr/fixboot with the windows installation dvd.. but back then I only had 1 pc so no internet as it wouldnt boot) :P
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09:00<jm_>sometimes simply booting windows cd can help too as it detects and offers repair options IIRC
09:00<Ayporos>Then again, if I never did my linux excapades I would probably never have learned as much about boot loading and the entire process, which is exactly why I am installing linux again =)
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09:01<Ayporos>meh, the windows installation cd/dvd is overrated. about as user-friendly as a sack of potatoes
09:02<Ayporos>someone without any previous dos/cmd experience (aka average joe pc user) would never be able to open up the command promt and figure out the fixmbr / fixboot commands and how to use em and why without expensive hours of callcosts with the techsupport
09:04<azeem>that's off topic her
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09:04<Ayporos>sorry if I stepped on your toes o.O
09:04<azeem>you didn't
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09:09<Ayporos>I assume netboot is only available if the other PC is running linux right?
09:09<Ayporos>cuz my netbook runs winxp =(
09:10<azeem>Ayporos: what?
09:10<jm_>Ayporos: no
09:10<azeem>oh, netboot
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09:10<azeem>it's probably more difficult to get this done with Windows
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09:11<Ayporos>yeah, I'll just use the usb image then
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09:14<Ayporos>ok, so what do I do with this boot.img.gz ?
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09:15<jm_>read installation manual
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09:16<Kjetil> -- you could just grab the small cd-image for you arch from here (Which is the method that will cause the least trouble if any)
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09:16<Ayporos>ah, that's funny. The manual says "to prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported.
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09:17<treaki><Ayporos>: and you need the usb stick;)
09:18<Ayporos>yeah, guess I'll have to burn a cd after all
09:19<Ayporos>oh well
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10:05<scarleot>Hi, I have some trouble. I changed port for my ssh server and now I can't log in to ssh anymore
10:05<scarleot>I just get: #debian
10:05<scarleot>I just get: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
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10:06<scarleot>I try to connect just over LAN and no firewall on the server so that's not it
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10:08<babilen>scarleot: You can specify a different port with the "-p" options → man ssh
10:08<scarleot>I know, I'm doing that but it won't accept it
10:09<babilen>scarleot: does it complain about that option?
10:09<scarleot>I do: ssh tsjk3@ -p 2299
10:09<babilen>well, check with nmap if the port is open .. or reconfigure your ssh server
10:09<scarleot>Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer
10:09<titan8990>scarleot: ssh -v
10:09<babilen>might also be blocked by a firewall :-\ or the server did not start correctly
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10:11<scarleot>Port 2299 is closed. Howcome? What should I do?
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10:12<dr|z3d>If it's closed, that's because nothing's listening on it, most likely.
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10:13<scarleot>ok, I have no screen for the server but I'll try to login and start the ssh server. brb
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10:17<scarleot>Ok, ssh -v gives: debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
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10:17<Maesolo>Hi. My sound has stopped working. alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
10:17<scarleot>debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
10:17<scarleot>debug1: Applying options for *
10:17<scarleot>debug1: Connecting to [] port 2299.
10:17<scarleot>debug1: Connection established.
10:18<scarleot>debug1: identity file /home/oscar/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
10:18<scarleot>debug1: identity file /home/oscar/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
10:18<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
10:18<scarleot>debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5
10:18<scarleot>debug1: match: OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-5 pat OpenSSH*
10:18<scarleot>debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
10:18<scarleot>debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
10:18<scarleot>debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
10:18<scarleot>ah, sorry
10:18<Reaper>babilen can you tel me were can i find information about back track 4 operation system???
10:18<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
10:18<Maesolo>Hi. My sound has stopped working *after install amixer*. alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
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10:19<babilen>!tell Reaper -about bt4
10:19<babilen>!tell Reaper -about bt4-magic
10:20<Reaper>i run this operation trough VMware player
10:20<Reaper>i saw many problems
10:21<Reaper>at first i wanted to install it on my computer
10:21<Maesolo>wow, I fixed it running "alsaconf". Thanks!
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10:23<scarleot>sorry about the pasting, didn't think. This is wat I get now when I restarted sshd:
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10:23<Reaper>babilen are you using back track 4???
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10:24<babilen>Reaper: No, I am using Debian
10:25<lancelot_of>please help, any other document being printed, if i try to print from qtiplot i get in CUPS "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftoraster failed" and nothing is printed, any suggestion?how to fix?
10:25<Reaper>i want to be a hacker can you help me???
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10:26<dr|z3d>Reaper: Initiative, resourcefulness and an abiility to work alone are all key skills for a hacker..
10:26<dr|z3d>Oh, and stealth. :)
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10:27<babilen>scarleot: Check the logs on the server and your hosts.allow and hosts.deny settings
10:28<Reaper>Debian you thing is the best operating linux system???
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10:28<Reaper>babilen !!!!!!!!!!!
10:28<babilen>Reaper: Stop it please
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10:29<Reaper>i just want to talk with someone who knows about linux
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10:29<titan8990>Reaper: backtrack is supported in #backtrack-linux, not here.
10:29<titan8990>Reaper: for your last request, ##linux is the place
10:30<Reaper>i know that titan
10:30<anup>do anyone knows how to see only hidden files in the terminal
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10:30<anup>plz help
10:31<titan8990>anup: is this for a script?
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10:32<Reaper>drIz3d are you a hacker????
10:32<lancelot_of>no answers for me?
10:32<noflash>Reaper, this is NOT a chat channel
10:33<babilen>Reaper: I already told you some days ago what you have to do. Stop contacting random people in this channel and *start learning*
10:33<dr|z3d>Reaper:Please read above.
10:33<titan8990>anup: don't PM me
10:33<anup>read that in ur pm
10:33<anup> i typed ls -a | grep ^\\.
10:33<anup> this gives all hidden directory as well as files
10:33<anup> but i want only files not directory
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10:34<Reaper>ok then
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10:34<dr|z3d>!fgi Reaper beginners+guide+hacking
10:35<anup>i typed ls -a | grep ^\\.
10:35<anup>this list out all the hidden directories as well as hidden files
10:35<anup>but i want to filter out only hidden files
10:35<anup>how to do
10:35<anup>help help help
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10:36<titan8990>anup: what are you actually trying to do? see hidden files in an interactive shell or filter them out for a script?
10:36<anup>just to see
10:36<titan8990>anup: you show a great deal of impatience that is not going to get you far
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10:36<anup>till now i have not learnt how to write script
10:37<Reaper>can i find dev c++ for linux
10:37<anup>titan add me in your facebook, so that if i get doubt abt scripts then i will connect u
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10:37<titan8990>anup: find . -name '\.*' -type f
10:38<titan8990>anup: I don't use facebook
10:38<anup>how would i contact u sir
10:38<titan8990>anup: if you only want it to work on the current dir, use -maxdepth
10:38<titan8990>anup: IRC, im always here
10:38<anup>but how would i find u here
10:39<anup>sir when i typed -maxdepth its saying command not found
10:39<scarleot>babilen: Problem is I cannot access server to check logs
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10:40<titan8990>anup: find . -name '\.*' -type f -maxdepth 1; man find
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10:40<scarleot>babilen: but like I said, only thing I changed from working state was port and to not allow root login, then restarted sshd and after that I cannot connect
10:40<anup>how do u know all these titan
10:40<mjj29>does anyone know whether Wolfram Gloger (ptmalloc / lurks on IRC anywhere?
10:41<anup>coz in book these are not mentioned
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10:41<titan8990>anup: they are all mentioned in "man find"
10:41<dr|z3d>!fgi mjj29 ptmalloc+irc
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10:42<anup>what does man find means
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10:42<anup>man is like super user??
10:42<titan8990>anup: type "man man" into the console... they are documentation pages for various things
10:42<dr|z3d>short for manual, anup.. Linux's help system.
10:43<mjj29>dr|z3d: are you claiming that this should answer my question?
10:43<mjj29>since it demonstratably doesn't
10:43<titan8990>dr|z3d: ah, no :). UNIX's help system. Linux's help system are the info pages
10:43<mjj29>(oddly enough, I've spent the last 20mins trying to use google to find out)
10:43<dr|z3d>mjj29: I'm suggesting you'd have a better chance googling to identify your man than asking here.
10:43<babilen>scarleot: Hmm, it should still work then. No idea why the server terminates the connection. But given that it is a local server, it can't be that hard to get console access
10:44<dr|z3d>mjj29: Or maybe just e-mail the fellow.. you have his domain..
10:44<mjj29>dr|z3d: that having failed, but having established that he does interact with a number of people in this commuity...
10:44<lancelot_of>please help me i'm becoming crazy!
10:44<mjj29>dr|z3d: well, sure
10:44<anup>titan i enetered man man
10:44<anup>how i come out of that
10:44<mjj29>dr|z3d: traditionally, however, jfgi is for when google does contain the answer
10:45<anup>how to come out of that manual page
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10:45<anup>tel plz
10:45<scarleot>babilen: No, just some moving around screens and stuff but I'll probably have to do that.
10:45<babilen>lancelot_of: what's up?
10:46<titan8990>anup: "q"
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10:46<anup>it works
10:46<babilen>scarleot: sorry, would have loved to say something like "ah, just use XXXXXXXX" :)
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10:46<dr|z3d>mjj29: If you've scoured google and no answer was forthcoming, then forvgive me. Notwithstanding that, we don't know the user, here.
10:46<anup>do u know how to setup remote desktop connection
10:46<dr|z3d>mjj29: e-mail seems the most logical method to establish contact.
10:46<mjj29>dr|z3d: well, you certainly don't
10:46<scarleot>babilen: :) Thanks anyway
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10:47*dr|z3d smiles.
10:47*mjj29 returns to -devel where he can get a sensible conversation
10:47<mjj29>or, in this case, stoney silence
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10:47<anup>titan u there
10:48<dr|z3d>We don't do conversations, we answer queries, fwiw. :)
10:48<anup>when i use the maxdepth 1
10:48<anup>i got the warning message
10:48<anup>find: warning: you have specified the -maxdepth option after a non-option argument -name, but options are not positional (-maxdepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other arguments.
10:48<anup>what does this means
10:49<anup>titan tell
10:49<lancelot_of>babilen, i can print any document i want except for qtiplot graphs, getting "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftoraster failed" in CUPS
10:49<lancelot_of>babilen, dunno how to fix
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10:49<Reaper>hey babilen does #debian supports ubuntu???
10:49<dr|z3d>anup: Please don't message me privately. Use this channel for your queries. Thanks.
10:50<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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10:50<anup>dr | z3d
10:50<anup>why i got this error
10:50<anup>find: warning: you have specified the -maxdepth option after a non-option argument -name, but options are not positional (-maxdepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other arguments.
10:51<anup>find . -^C\.*' -type f -maxdepth 1
10:51<anup>i used this syntax
10:51<titan8990>anup: you have to specify something to search for, such as a name
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10:51<titan8990>anup: find . -name '^C\.*' -type f -maxdepth 1
10:52<titan8990>anup: this is also because find can search for files based on timestamps and various other things
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10:56<anup>ls -la | grep ^d
10:57<anup>this syntax sort out all the directories along with hidden
10:57<anup>titan u there
10:58<babilen>lancelot_of: Sorry, no idea :-\
10:58<titan8990>anup: yes, what about it?
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10:58<anup>try this command on ur terminal
10:59<anup>it will sort out all the directories along with hidden directories of the pwd
10:59<anup>i want to see only hidden directories, not the hidden files
10:59<anup>tell me titan
11:00<titan8990>anup: look and the -type option in "man find"
11:00<babilen>anup: You might want to read the find manpage, you can search specifically for directories
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11:00<titan8990>anup: I have about reached my spoonfeeding limit for today. You have been given a good pool of knowledge to start with, as well as direction on where to look for more.
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11:03<kd35a>pawel08: what is the problem?
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11:04<Cygnus> /j #xmonad
11:05<pawel08>kd35a: while trying to run /etc/init.d/newtorking start i get message: eth0: error while getting interface flags: no such device . i understand that the debian can't see my card, but don't how to make it "visible"
11:05<babilen>Cygnus: Try the channel on ;)
11:05<Cygnus>babilen: thx
11:05<babilen>Cygnus: And good choice :)
11:06<Cygnus>babilen: I would like to install xmonad the debian way, but it seems it will be a little complicated
11:06<babilen>'aptitude install xmonad' ?
11:07<Cygnus>too old a version
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11:07<kd35a>pawel08: ok, so you're running debian in the vm, how is it configured? Bridged, NAT?
11:07<babilen>,versions xmonad
11:07<judd>xmonad -- lenny: 0.7-2; lenny-backports: 0.8-1~bpo50+1; sid: 0.9.1-2+b1; squeeze: 0.9.1-2+b1
11:07<babilen>Cygnus: Which version do you need?
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11:08<Cygnus>The one on testing would be fine
11:08<babilen>Cygnus: And you are running stable, don't you?
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11:09<pawel08>kd35a: i had to put my debian image on VB installed on Win7, so i used common nic in VB called PCnet-fast III am79C973, and YES, i bridged it
11:09<babilen>Ok, IIRC you need GHC 6.12 for the newest xmonad. Somebody did a backport of that recently (check the debian-haskell mailing list logs for this month)
11:09<Cygnus>ohh great
11:09<kd35a>ok, have you tried any other cards? could be that there is no driver for that specific card
11:09<babilen>Cygnus: And then you can try "/msg dpkg ssb" for xmonad
11:10<babilen>Cygnus: I am not sure if that will work though :-\
11:10<Cygnus>worth the try
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11:11<babilen>Cygnus: The other possibility would be to use testing. But you should only do that if you feel really comfortable with Debian and don't mind fixing an error/bug once in a while
11:11<babilen>Cygnus: That being said, I switch between testing and stable for years now and rarely had a big problem with testing
11:12<babilen>Cygnus: So, pick your poison ... :)
11:12<babilen>Cygnus: The backported ghc6 package mentioned on debian-haskell is also absolutely unofficial, untrustworthy and untested ..
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11:13<babilen>Cygnus: But the guy created it with the "ssb" instructions as well, so you can do that as well
11:13<Cygnus>babilen: i am more in between stabel and oldstabe. I really dislike bumpy roads. Specially when there is a deadline to cove
11:14<Cygnus>babilen: I'll follow the ssb, adb allready pointed me a few hours ago
11:14<babilen>Cygnus: Sure. Why haven't you upgraded completely to stable yet?
11:14<Cygnus>babilen: remember that i did :)
11:15*babilen remembers ...
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11:57<cr3_>what's avahi daemon for
11:57<cr3_>i see i have no connection when i disable it
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11:59<azeem>cr3_: which version of Debian?
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12:02<cr3_>azeem, 5.0.4
12:03<azeem>avahi is for mdns/link-local stuff
12:03<nostmith>cr3_, It is a dynamic discovery program that when a computer is plugged into an existing can go out and show printers, hosts, scanners on the network providing security allows it so. (info taken from web)
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12:05<cr3_>thx ;p
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12:06<beer>I have problem with finding the most recent daily networks build of the debian netinstaller. Does someone know where I can download it?
12:08<sney>for testing, you mean?
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12:08<sney>it's on the debian-installer page.
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12:09<beer>that is 2 1/2 weeks old
12:09<beer>but tx
12:09<beer>I will use that image
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12:10<sney>they must have stopped building them while ries was down.
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12:11<beer>ries is back online and it have been so a while
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12:13<tidus-x>hi everyone
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12:14<sney>beer: yeah, but the dd team is just human, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that they're still working on bringing back up. not to mention, there were some bugs with the squeeze installer (LVM-related, iirc) that they may be working out before restarting the daily build process.
12:14<tidus-x>sorry guys i m searching for a channel for backtrack want some help
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12:15<desafder>hello how can i clear my cache the ping tries to ping an old ip in my network
12:15<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
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12:17<tidus-x>thanks sney [[
12:17<sney>heh, now go learn your hacking, but be respectful and don't get defensive if they treat you like a noob.
12:17<beer>sney: I tough they was master AI since they did so great a job. About a buggy installer is it then bether to use lenny installer and then upgrade to sid/experimental rather tehn using squeeze installer and then upgrade?
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12:18<cr3_>also, even though my user (me) is in the following groups: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev pulse, and i can see in sysv-rcconf that pulseaudio is supposed to start at runlevel 2, it doesn't
12:18<sney>beer: the squeeze alpha1 installer might be fine, all the bugs I heard about were from daily
12:19<titan8990>cr3_: sysv-rcconf?
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12:21<desafder>anyone knows to flush the name cache in a debian
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12:26<pawel08>hey, anyone familiar with virtualbox?
12:26<titan8990>I am sure the #virtualbox channel on freenode is
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12:30<pawel08>ok, wrong question, the problem is with networtk card in guest debian
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12:37<urbinek>hi, what file system should i chose for dedicate server based on P3/866 with 128 MB sdr ram and 2x40GB (i wanna create RAID0 with mdadm)
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12:37<koollman>one you can backup easily ? :)
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12:37<koollman>old disks on old hardware with twice the chance of failure... backups! :)
12:37<urbinek>i know
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12:38<urbinek>but free dedicate server is free :D
12:38<urbinek>just for personal use, ftp, p2p
12:38<sney>file system doesn't matter much. just use ext3
12:38<koollman>let's be realistic, you won't get awesome performances out of it.
12:39<koollman>so the few % difference from the fs won't matter
12:39<adb>urbinek, only issue is that ram, 128 mb is to little
12:39<koollman>it's enough for a fileserver
12:39<sney>yeah, not like he's going to run X
12:39<koollman>(it means not much cache, but that's it)
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12:39<urbinek>adb: i know but were now i can find sdram xd
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12:39<koollman>urbinek: ebay
12:40<bja>urbinek: to make things faster, compiling a custom kernel would be a priority to free as much memmory as possible. You won't be needing new modules for new hw :)
12:40<urbinek>koollman: to expensive
12:40<sney>yeah, ebay, or pawn shops etc
12:40<sdk_>I've got sshfs set up and functining between two directories in /var/log. As root on both systems I can get into the dirs and view. As regular user on origin system I can cd into dir and view. As regular user on client system I cannot get into dir. ls -l shows d??????? for permissions. Does anyone have any ideas as to what is happening and how to resolve?
12:40<koollman>bja: that would make about 1 or 2 MB difference ;)
12:40<koollman>which is 1%. still doesn't matter ;)
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12:41<bja>koollman: believe me when you are in need of space everything counts
12:41<koollman>sdk_: if it shows precisely that, it means you have a failing filesystem
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12:41<sney>with 128mb I'd almost think to just treat it as an embedded system
12:41<koollman>I would say reiserfs, with a lot of logs at the end of dmesg
12:41<koollman>hey, guys... remmeber the time when 128MB was plenty ? :)
12:41<cr3_>titan8990, sysv-rc-conf
12:41<koollman>it's still enough most of the time
12:41<sney>I remember when 128 was a lot
12:42<bja>yes, there are embedded systems with much more ram :)
12:42<urbinek>i think that 128 MB will be ok, just for base server
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12:42<sney>oh sure it'll work don't worry about that
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12:42<sney>just don't expect speed
12:42<bja>i remember times when 1Mb was awesome
12:42<koollman>if it's too slow, he will think about optimisation
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12:42<bja>urbinek: you will not be able to host google, that is for sure
12:42<urbinek>bja: space ships are powered by 512KB ram :)
12:42<titan8990>,file sysv-rc-conf
12:42<judd>sysv-rc-conf in lenny/i386: sysv-rc-conf: usr/sbin/sysv-rc-conf
12:42<koollman>but we're talking 'just snatched from trash' hardware here :)
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12:43<bja>urbinek: so tomohawk missiles with a microcontroler 8051 with 8 bits
12:43<sney>the last hardware I rescued from the trash had more than 128MB, but only 50mhz cpus
12:44<urbinek>so whatever i use it will be ok ?
12:44<urbinek>eventually just compile kernel ?
12:44<koollman>urbinek: whatever you use will feel slow compared to real hardware ;)
12:44<bja>Yes, just don't expect it to blazing fast
12:44<adb>sney, my last was a ppc 866 MGz , 1.5GB ..
12:44<koollman>but that's it
12:44<urbinek>gezz i know :P my phone is faster :)
12:45<sney>it'll probably take a while to boot but be more or less ok just running samba/ftp/whatever
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12:47<urbinek>ok, thx guyz, cu
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13:05<pawel08>hey, anyone familiar with advanced network card settings?
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13:05<pawel08>some help would be very apriciated ;)
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13:05<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:10<pawel08>!ask I have a problem with my network card, Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller, I'm running Debian squeeze/sid. When i try to run my card by using /etc/init.d/networking start, i get message: Configuring network interfaces...SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device
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13:13<babilen>pawel08: That *might* be related to your vbox setup. Have you asked in #virtualbox and checked (especially the part on bridges)
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13:21<beer>I have notice that narly everytime debian makes a new stable distro it grows with at least 50% in the numbers of cd's cp,pared with last one
13:22<babilen>beer: Isn't that great?
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13:23<johnfg>hi guys
13:23<beer>I think so
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13:24<beer>if debian will continue this trend it still needs around 6 cd's
13:24<johnfg>Still not able to get aptitude safe-upgrade to complete. It's at over open: 200000; closed: +-200000; defer: +- 150000; conflict: 51.
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13:25<johnfg>There has been progress in those numbers with each attempt, after a total freeze-up, but how far do I have to go for the safe-upgrade to complete?
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13:26<babilen>johnfg: Which Debian branch are you using?
13:26<johnfg>What I'm doing now is only logging on to tty1, killing what processes I don't need, and trying the safe-upgrade.
13:26<johnfg>babilen: From lenny > squeeze.
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13:26<babilen>johnfg: It probably needs to remove some packages in order to satisfies the dependencies → "aptitude full-upgrade" (and read aptitude's manpage)
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13:27<babilen>johnfg: How long is aptitude thinking already?
13:27<ml|>johnfg: following /msg dpkg stable->testing ?
13:27<johnfg>babilen: Are you saying to go right to the aptitude full-upgrade?
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13:28<babilen>johnfg: well, yes ..
13:28<ml|>but follow that dpkg factiod!
13:28<johnfg>ml|: No, I wasn't following that, specifically, since dpkg copped a vacation yesterday!
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13:29<babilen>dpkg: lenny->squeeze
13:29<dpkg>Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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13:29<ml|>there you go :)
13:30<johnfg>ml|: Do I leave the security sources with squeeze instead of lenny? Or comment them out.
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13:31<ml|>johnfg: you leave if you like
13:31<babilen>johnfg: "deb squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" (remove contrib/non-free if not used)
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13:31<adb>johnfg, paste your sources . please
13:31<johnfg>babilen: ml| OK, I'll uncomment them.
13:32<johnfg>adb: Not so easy to do from the terminal, plus, with the problems, I only have root access.
13:32<johnfg>I'll do it if I can. Will lynx or links work for
13:32<ml|>johnfg: make sure you follow the tum factiod exactly!
13:32<babilen>Which reminds me - I haven't really heard about squeeze security support after the security announced that there won't be support for some weeks/months (?) after squeeze's release
13:33<EmleyMoor>Is USB 2.0 supposed to work well in Debian? If it isn't doing, what can I do?
13:33<ml|>there is none atm iirc
13:33<johnfg>nevermind; I can get into X for root, but was using tty's to save memory.
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13:33<johnfg>Will paste in a minute.
13:33<babilen>EmleyMoor: What are you trying to do? What do you have problems with? USB 2.0 is well supported and support for 3.0 is in kernel .31
13:34<babilen>johnfg: You should do the upgrade on a console anyway .. funky stuff can happen when you upgrade Xorg while you are using it :)
13:34<ml|>johnfg: no need for root, use screen in tty :)
13:34<johnfg>Nope, epiphany isn't working, so can't paste it.
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13:35<johnfg>Yup, I am using screen. However, due to problems caused by upgrade, I can't login to tty as anyone but root.
13:35<EmleyMoor>My keyboard which is also a hub and a sound card sometimes locks up, and the sound input never seems to work when it shows as a USB 2.0 device. My scanner is also unreliable as a USB 2.0 device.
13:35<johnfg>Do you still need to see my sources.list?
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13:35<ml|>johnfg: great use screen's copy and paste features :)
13:36<blackdesire> how can I display the lines between 10-15 from a text file? please can someone tell me
13:36<ml|>but not here to a pastebin
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13:36<EmleyMoor>blackdesire: You mean display them on your screen?
13:36<blackdesire>EmleyMoor, yes
13:37<johnfg>ml|: But what room do I use to paste it so I don't get kicked off? :-)
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13:37<johnfg>I've got gdm running.
13:37<EmleyMoor>blackdesire: Using head and tail
13:37<EmleyMoor>johnfg: A paste*bin*
13:37<EmleyMoor> for example
13:37<blackdesire>EmleyMoor, I try with head and tail but I can not put one range
13:37<ml|>right a pastebin
13:38<babilen>blackdesire: "man head" → "-n" (same for tail)
13:38<EmleyMoor>Hint: use head to get the first 15, and tail to get the last 6 of those
13:38<blackdesire>is giving me only beging with n line
13:38<ml|>johnfg: one runnnig aptitude and another window with a text broswer; copy and paste using screen
13:39<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
13:39<blackdesire>but i need between 10 and 15
13:39<babilen>blackdesire: "|" ;)
13:40<ml|>sadly pastebinit is still foobar'ed ;(
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13:40<johnfg>I think with what you told me (thanks!) I can proceed (am proceeding).
13:40<babilen>blackdesire: do you know what I refer to? (head -n 15 <file>| tail ...)
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13:40<babilen>blackdesire: Please don't /msg me
13:41<blackdesire>babilen, sorry
13:41<johnfg>I did the aptitude update, after editing sources.list. The problem was I did have volatile as a squeeze source.
13:41<babilen>no such source
13:41<ml|>johnfg: read what dpkg said
13:41<johnfg>aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` is where I'm at now.
13:42<ml|>ah fixed?
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13:42<babilen>good :)
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13:42<ml|>johnfg: make sure you follow the tum factiod exactly!
13:42<wurrst>blackdesire: sed -n 10,15p < file.txt
13:42<EmleyMoor>I am wondering about my USB problem - I replaced both PSU and motherboard to try to sort it - unless it's an inadequate PSU, can't think what else to do
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13:42<EmleyMoor>wurrst: TMTOWTDI <g>
13:43<blackdesire>wurrst great is working like this
13:43<johnfg>ml|:seems to be. Thanks very much! Will keep you posted.
13:43<ml|>johnfg: here is what mine looks like...
13:44<johnfg>Tell dpkg that they no longer have permission to go to Vegas! And there's no after hours for #debian :-)
13:44<blackdesire>i try with head -n 15 | tail -5 1.txt
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13:45<ml|>. dpkg needs a break once in a while and likes Las Vegas very much :)
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13:45<bja>babilen: head -n 15 1.txt |tail -5
13:45<bja>blackdesire: ^^
13:45<bja>blackdesire: head -n 15 1.txt |tail -5
13:45<blackdesire>yes thank you very much
13:46<ml|>johnfg: anyways good luck
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13:46<johnfg>i'm getting a message about possible missing firmware files for the new kernel. Just select OK? Looks like the only choice.
13:46<blackdesire>I`m new on this :) but I am not a blond one
13:46<adb>johnfg, yes
13:46<babilen>blackdesire: :(
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13:46<ml|>johnfg: that should be fine, you can install that later if you needed it
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13:47<babilen>johnfg: Does your NIC need firmware?
13:47<blackdesire>babilen you are disappointed that I am not a blond girl ?
13:48*babilen hides
13:48<blackdesire>thank you all one more time
13:49<bja>blackdesire: get the blonde for babilen so he will unhide
13:49<blackdesire>bja good idea
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13:50<johnfg>babilen: Nope. I *do* need firmware for the wireless port itself, but just plug an ethernet cable from the router in and, voila!
13:51<johnfg>Do you folks use lynx for your text browser? I tried to look at ml| 's paste; got there, but didn't see it.
13:51<amphi>w3m FTW
13:51<wrksx>is there a way to use wget specifying the destination file name ? the url is too long so the file cannot be created.
13:51<babilen>yeah, w3m it is
13:52<babilen>johnfg: great
13:52<ml|>I also use w3m
13:52<amphi>ml|'s paste renders ok in w3m
13:52<bja>links2 should work also
13:52<johnfg>amphi: babilen: and ml| Thanks! I'll install it.
13:52<babilen>johnfg: no, complete your upgrade
13:53<ml|>johnfg: are you still in the middle of the move?
13:53<titan8990>w3m also works in emacs
13:53<ml|>if so what babilen said
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13:53<babilen>w3m also renders html mails in mutt really well
13:53<johnfg>The second upgrade worked. Now for a reboot.
13:54<babilen>(famous last words)
13:54<johnfg>Can I do a screenprint from the console?
13:54<johnfg>babilen: Hey! Don't say that!
13:54<babilen>johnfg: don't worry :)
13:54<bja>(other famous last words)
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13:54<ml|>johnfg: if you look at my post, I use 'testing' and not 'squeeze' in sources.list
13:55<babilen>bja: *smile*
13:55<ml|>babilen: hehe
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13:55<babilen>ml|: Why do you do that?
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13:55<ml|>to track testing instead
13:55<ml|>or when squeeze becomes stable I move to stable
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13:56<babilen>Yeah, but you will be in upgrade hell whenever testing becomes stable
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13:57<amphi>testing can get more geb0rkt after a release
13:57<bja>at the moment squeeze is released, testing will become a copy ofsid, starting a bumpy road at that very same momment
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13:57<ml|>not if you wait ;)
13:57<babilen>ml|: Please elaborate and ^^^^
13:57<babilen>johnfg: You *want* squeeze in there
13:58<amphi>right, you can not upgrade for a bit
13:58<amphi>johnfg: yes, you should have 'squeeze' IMHO
13:58<ml|>anyways, I brought it up so johnfg can choose
13:58<babilen>I typically use stable for like 6-12 months after the release date and switch to testing then ...
13:59<ml|>all was fine a ~month after in testing
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14:00<babilen>Tao of Python: Explicit is better than implicit.
14:00<babilen>python -c "import this"
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14:04<wrksx>is there a way to use wget while specifying the destination file name ? the url is too long so the file cannot be created.
14:04<bja>man wget
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14:05<ml|>babilen: understand now why I told johnfg about that?
14:05<vijaysapkota>hello everyone
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14:07<johnfg>hey guys, how can I do a screen print from a terminal?
14:07<vijay>guys, how can I reset windows password using linux?
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14:08<hahnp>johnfg: do you mean at a gui
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14:08<johnfg>no, cli.
14:08<ml|>johnfg: why not just do as before with screen? copy and paste
14:08<miguel000>is there any way to undelete files, removed with krusader?
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14:09<hahnp>i often use typescript (script (util-linux-ng 2.16.2))
14:09<wurrst>johnfg: maybe save the vga text buffer (dd if=/dev/mem bs=32768 skip=23 count=1 of=/tmp/raw) and then some postprocessing
14:09<hahnp>to document
14:10<wurrst>johnfg: i'm not sure about the device name
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14:10<babilen>miguel000: Unlikely - Depends on the filesystem (also what is krusader?)
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14:11<miguel000>krusader is my gui for navigaing throug folders
14:11<vijay>babilen: how can I reset windows password using ubuntu?
14:11<miguel000>and i think i use ext3
14:11<babilen>vijay: WTF?
14:11<babilen>miguel000: Forget it (or try:
14:12<vijay>babilen: I am new to linux. So I don't know about it. Is it possible or not?
14:12<babilen>miguel000: It will not work though - There are a couple of other tools ...
14:12<amphi>vijay: this is #debian...
14:13<babilen>vijay: I have no idea, this is #debian and I haven't used Windows in ages ...
14:13<babilen>!tell vijay -about ubuntu
14:13<vijay>really? how can you live without windows?
14:13<babilen>vijay: Great actually ...
14:13<ml|>johnfg: you can also command >> some file and use a | if needed; if you want the output of the command
14:13<miguel000>babilen, ah and the fs is hpfs/ntfs
14:14<miguel000>babilen, : it was on my external drive
14:14<miguel000>not ext3, sorry for confusion
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14:14<babilen>miguel000: There might be some undelete/forensic tools for that. Give me a second ..
14:14<amphi>vijay: you joke?
14:15<miguel000>Im not in a hurry anymore...
14:15<miguel000>after having lost hours of work
14:15<vijay>amphi: about what?
14:15<hahnp>vijay: you need to edit the SAM file and set the PW to *
14:15<amphi>< vijay> really? how can you live without windows?
14:15<hahnp>vijay: you also could use chntpw
14:16<vijay>hahnp: how can i do it and where is that file?
14:16<babilen>miguel000: Read that (I haven't read the thread in its entirety)
14:16<ml|>not a good idea to give tips on resetting passwords, since we have no idea what the real use will be
14:16<miguel000>allright, thank you a lot'!
14:17<hahnp>maybe you want to use google the next time by yourselfe
14:18<babilen>miguel000: Especially the forensic tools might be interesting for you (sleuthkit et al) - The most important thing is that you stop using the disk ASAP and that you perform the recovery on an image of the disk (dd/ddrescue/...)
14:19<babilen>miguel000: Good luck!
14:19<miguel000>i just found something called ntfsundelete
14:19<miguel000>and it even seems to be part of a package of my distro (package: mipsel)
14:19<babilen>miguel000: Create an image first before you proceed and work on a *copy* of that image
14:19<babilen>miguel000: Which distribution are you using?
14:19<miguel000>youre right! i do not want to make things worse
14:21<babilen>miguel000: I am not a computer forensic and have only played a little with Sleuthkit. There might be better channels for that (I wonder if there is a NTFS channel)
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14:22<ml|>maybe ##windows on freenode can help?
14:22<miguel000>yeah, there must be one
14:22<miguel000>ill check if im unscucessful
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14:23<miguel000>but i suupose there are 2 possibilities, the file is still there, and can be recovered, OR it was already overwritten and i can forget it, unless I hire the fbi or someone with sophisticated hardware recovery tools
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14:24<babilen>miguel000: If it is overwritten it is overwritten ... That's why you stop using that disk immediately and work on images (basic forensic procedure)
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14:24<miguel000>I dont use it at least, however have not enough space to image the complete disk
14:25<wrksx>Does someone know command-line way to get rid of the (unicode) bom on a file ?
14:25<miguel000>I read its even possible to recover data from a disk fromatted several times, but that would be to expensive in my case
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14:26<miguel000>since you need some special equipment to do that
14:26<ml|>next time backup your work and save yourself the trouble
14:27<miguel000>the funny thing is . i deleted it during a manual process of backing things up and sorting
14:27<babilen>gah - humans ... when will they learn?
14:27<miguel000>because it was in a folder beginning with a "." so it was hidden
14:27<miguel000>and i forgot about it
14:27<bja>hmm that hurts
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14:30<hahnp>wrksx: i think if you are in vi... you could remove it by ":set nobomb"
14:31<wrksx>hahnp: thanks, i'll give it a try
14:31<wurrst>wrksx: so you just want to delete the first two bytes of the file?
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14:32<Sarita>hAY ALGUIEN???
14:32<amphi>heh, bja ?
14:32*babilen looks at bja
14:32<babilen>!es-social Sarita
14:32<dpkg>Sarita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:32<wrksx>wurrst: yes (if 2 bytes is the constant lenght of the 'bom')
14:33<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
14:33<wurrst>wrksx: dd bs=1 skip=2 < in.txt > out.txt
14:33<bja>!es-social Sarita
14:33<dpkg>Sarita: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:34<wrksx><wurrst> i'll try this asap. thanks
14:35<hahnp>wrksx: awk '{if(NR==1)sub(/^\xef\xbb\xbf/,"");print}' text.txt
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14:36<Sarita>Aki la gent esta colgaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
14:36<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
14:36<rul>Hi. Is there somebody with expertise in managing scripts of the debian packaging system? I need this: if the package to install is the first time to be installed, do something, but if it is an upgrade, do another things
14:37<berto>rul: I guess you can check that in the preinst script
14:37<wrksx><hahnp> thanks, the dd solution seems better to me.
14:37<berto>but I don't know to be honest
14:38<hahnp>wrksx: :(
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14:38<wurrst>wrksx: you didn't specify the encoding. i assumed ucs-2. hahnp assumed utf-8.
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14:38<rul>berto: thanks. Don't you know if there is any kind of flag that specify that?
14:38<wrksx>there must be sthing I missed
14:39<wrksx>my file is UTF8
14:39<wrksx>utf-8 sorry
14:39<wrksx>why is this different ? the bom isn't the same ?
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14:40<berto>rul: no, sorry
14:40<rul>berto: ok, thanks anyway
14:41<Sarita>iros a la mierdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
14:41-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*Sarita@*] by Ganneff
14:41-!-Sarita was kicked from #debian by Ganneff [Sarita]
14:41<bja>!ops Sarita needs escorting out
14:41<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: bja complains about: Sarita needs escorting out
14:41<dr|z3d>Sarita: You are demonstrably an idiota. And cheerio.
14:41<@Ganneff>you are all too slow.
14:42<bja>Ganneff: it is lag
14:42*dr|z3d blames a proxy service he will not diss by name, And winks.
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14:42<wrksx><wurrst> what change would you make in the command line for utf-8
14:43<wrksx><wurrst> ?
14:44<wurrst>wrksx: try skip=3, or what hahnp suggests
14:44<wrksx><wurrst> ok thx
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14:47<wrksx><wurrst> it worked perfectly with skip=3. thanks a lot.
14:49<wurrst>wrksx: it's just throwing away the first 3 bytes. if those are not 0xEF 0xBB 0xBF it doesn't do what you want.
14:50<wrksx><wurrst> you mean it assumes that the file is utf-8 with bom
14:51<wrksx>it'll rip 3bytes whatever they are
14:51<wurrst>wrksx: yes. it doesn't even look at the bytes it throws away.
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14:52<wrksx>it's really quicker than opening it with an editor since my files are heavy
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14:52<wrksx>it's EXACLTY what I was looking for
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14:54<miguel000>I managed to recover 2 files, but it says fileneme <none> and Undeleted (null) sucessfully, so i have absolutely no idea, wherer the files might be now
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15:04<miguel000>hooray i managed to recover my stuff, thank you for all mental and technical support!
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15:06<ml|>!congratulate miguel000
15:06<dpkg>Woohoo miguel000, you did it!
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15:07<jhutchins_lt>Where does pon get the route it adds by default?
15:07<jhutchins_lt>for pptp?
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15:08<babilen>miguel000: yay!
15:08<babilen>miguel000: which tool did you use?
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15:08<babilen>i'll remember that .. great!
15:09<miguel000>part of the package ntfsprogs
15:09<johnfg>Anyway I can get screen to let me use a tty after I've su'd to another user?
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15:09<johnfg>That's the only way I can become that user at this point.
15:09<miguel000>my only problem was, i had filesizes and modification dates, but the filenames were gone
15:09<miguel000>but since the file i was looking for was huge, it was easy
15:09<miguel000>and modified yesterday, so there was only one candidate in the end :)
15:10<miguel000>thanks again a lot, saved me a lot of time
15:10<christianfe>good evening everyone. I'm thinking about attempting to package a library and I was wondering if there is any documentation similar to the "debian new maintainers guide" that deals with issues specific to creating library packages ?
15:10<babilen>miguel000: And create backups! (automatically)
15:10<ml|>rsnapshot :)
15:11<miguel000>babilen, : any suggestions what to use for the autobackups?
15:11<ml|>johnfg: what do you mean?
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15:11<ml|>miguel000: above is one suggestion
15:12<babilen>miguel000: I second rsnapshot
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15:12<miguel000>thats the same :)
15:12<babilen>christianfe: Also ask in #debian-mentors
15:13<miguel000>an its configurable what directories etc i need to backup how often ..
15:13<babilen>miguel000: Yes
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15:13<miguel000>nice will check it out
15:13<ml|>miguel000: /msg dpkg rsnapshot and read the docs and also get to know rsync
15:13<christianfe>thanks, I will when the time comes, I was just trying to get a bit of reading in before I give it a go. The library in questions is still being written by someone else, who I'm helping testing etc
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15:15<johnfg>ml|: At present, I can only login into the system as root. I can run screen from any tty as root. But if I su - <user>, then run screen irssi, I get the error: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/tty4' - please check.
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15:15<johnfg>So, instead of using screen, i'm switching between ttys.
15:16<johnfg>Safe upgrade is still running.
15:16<babilen>miguel000: Ah, disregard the debian-devel link - that one is ancient
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15:17<ml|>I backup everything except /tmp and other dir(s) in /home
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15:18<miguel000>where do you save the backups?
15:18<johnfg>How long does it take you to do a safe-upgrade from debian > lenny?
15:18<ml|>johnfg: seems weird after a reboot you can't login as user
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15:18<babilen>miguel000: external drive and off-site
15:19<johnfg>ml|: Might have to do with the fact I use kerberos and ldap for authentication.
15:19<miguel000>yah, i also plan to use an external drive for the backups primariyl
15:19<ml|>miguel000: where you want, here in another drive in /mnt/backups/.snapshots/hostname
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15:21<ml|>johnfg: ah, don't use any of that, maybe after it finishes with the move to testing all will be fine or need to redo some of that stuff
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15:22<babilen>bja: Are you upgrading yet?
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15:25<ml|>miguel000: just keep an eye on /var/cache/apt/archives/ ; use once in a while aptitude to trim it down or clean it out completely
15:25<johnfg>ml|: i really like both. why you don't like?
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15:26<ml|>johnfg: I use debian's default
15:27<johnfg>So, you never tried that combo? I use on both fedora and debian, and use openafs on both as well as winxp pro.
15:27<johnfg>It allows for the sso, single sign-on.
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15:28<ml|>right I never have
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15:32<johnfg>ml|: It's pretty cool, once you have it all working together, and not too difficult to set up, either.
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15:33<johnfg>I'm at about open: 180000; closed 167000; deferred 135000; conflict: 52.
15:33<johnfg>Look normal?
15:33<ml|>still safe-upgrade?
15:34<johnfg>ml|: yup.
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15:34<johnfg>Then, right to full-upgrade without a reboot, eh?
15:35<ml|>johnfg: ok, btw /j #debian-offtopic to explain the authentication thing; when you are done
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15:35<johnfg>if I get done! I hope, I hope...
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15:36<ml|>johnfg: yes, follow what dpkg told you and the Importan: see ...
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15:37<babilen>I don't get it - There are so many people here who run into the dependency thing with safe-upgrade - why is it still in the factoid?
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15:38<ml|>johnfg: I would install.. aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges
15:39<ml|>babilen: really?, never noticed before now
15:39<jagez>Is it possible to disable incoming email for one particular user? I want to make an account without email service
15:39<ml|>johnfg: not now of course once done
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15:39<babilen>ml|: Had a couple of people running into exactly that behaviour, just saying ..
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15:40<ml|>babilen: ok, I dunno; I've seen others have no issues
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15:41<usuario_>k es esto?
15:41<titan8990>jagez: symlink their mbox to /dev/null?
15:41<titan8990>jagez: I assume you want the mail to bounce though....
15:41<usuario_>k hablas
15:41<ml|>!es-social usuario_
15:41<dpkg>usuario_: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
15:41<jagez>titan8990, I would like the box to reply with "no such user"
15:42<usuario_>hablad en español
15:42<usuario_>no en ingles
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15:42<titan8990>jagez: it might do that if you create an alias for that user to one that does not exist... not sure
15:42<usuario_>una cosita
15:42<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
15:42<usuario_>sabeis si hay msn en el ordenador
15:42<ml|>usuario_: english sola mente
15:42<johnfg>Whoa, I just noticed, that the new kernel didn't boot at reboot. Did I miss selecting it at the grub menu?
15:43<babilen>jagez: Especially the :fail: part in /etc/aliases
15:43<ml|>johnfg: you might have, maybe that's your issue
15:43<usuario_>traducidme mi diosa favorita es afrodita
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15:43<babilen>usuario_: stop it
15:43<johnfg>It's still at 2.6.26-2-686
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15:43<babilen>usuario_: You've been told several times already "/join #debian-es-cachondeo"
15:44<usuario_>afrodite is my favorite diosa
15:44<titan8990>babilen: I need to lack that over at some point... I am still riding on aliases knowledge from sendmail
15:44<amphi>johnfg: you should explicitly install .32 I would think
15:44<johnfg>ml|: Should I stop the safe-upgrade and reboot?
15:44<usuario_>iros por ai
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15:44<johnfg>amphi: I did, but apparently, i still booted the 26 kernel.
15:45<babilen>titan8990: hehe - amazing thing was: I knew i worked with that in the past and found my post to debian-user with that solution :)
15:45<ml|>johnfg: you need to be using the new kernel, so yes; but don't what state your system is at atm
15:45<ml|>don't know*
15:45<johnfg>OK, here goes nothing.
15:45<johnfg>I can't switch kernels without a reboot, right?
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15:46<ml|>not currently
15:46<bja>babilen: no, not yet it seems it will take me a while to set things up back to where they are right now. Since they will certainly have to be reconfigured upon the upgrade
15:47<babilen>jagez: Is that what you are looking for?
15:47<jagez>babilen, I think so.... just trying it out now, thanks!
15:48<ml|>bja: yes and you will have to use new configs for several things; will take sometime depending on your system
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15:51<bja>ml|: with amd64 i'd expect a bumpier road than for i386
15:52<jagez>babilen, perfect. If you put ":fail: Unrouteable address" it looks exactly the same as a really non-existant user.
15:52<titan8990>bja: more so with a desktop system or one that requires prorpietary software
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15:53<ml|>bja: maybe, good luck
15:53<amphi>I have no problems here with amd64
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15:54<babilen>jagez: Wonderful - yes, fail causes exim to give 550 + "string behind :fail:"
15:54<titan8990>amphi: try to watch hulu...
15:55<amphi>I don't know what it is
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15:56<titan8990>amphi: its a flash video site. quite a few of them do not work with 64bit flash. One of the issues it has with proprietary software
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15:56<babilen>titan8990: ← current docs
15:56<amphi>oh, flash - I don't have it installed (or intend to ;)
15:57<bja>amphi: try gnash and report back on your experience
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15:57<babilen>titan8990: works over here, but i get ECOUNTRY (fuck that!)
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15:58<amphi>bja: I don't have that installed either - I don't want video in my web browser
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15:58<bja>amphi: me neither ;P
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16:01<titan8990>babilen: I get "we can not display this video. This is a known issue with flash on 64bit linux"
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16:02<titan8990>babilen:, the only other flash site I go to, does not work in my preferred browser (in fact, it crashes it) only on amd64
16:03<amphi>so, flash sucks, news at 11 ;)
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16:17<johnfg>Found the problem with the new kernel: i didn't make an entry for it in the grub menu that I use to boot!
16:17<johnfg>Now, the safe-upgrade is running under the new kernel.
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16:18<MeglaW_>installing debian over pxe is the slowest thing iv ever done
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16:18<bja>MeglaW_: try netinst over a slow connection ;P that can be painfully slow
16:19<johnfg>Probably won't have time to babysit it until I have to leave for second job, but will let you know how it goes...
16:19<babilen>johnfg: You probably just want to full-upgrade anyway
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16:19<MeglaW_>bja: its not my connection, i use the same mirror in my sources and i get 5-600kb/s if not faster
16:20<johnfg>babilen: You mean go right to that and skip the safe?
16:20<johnfg>What's the safe for, then?
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16:20<bja>MeglaW_: Last netinstall the average speed was an astounding 5kb
16:20<ml|>man apyiyude ;)
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16:20<ml|>man aptitude ;) heh
16:21<bja>Someone is having too much to drink
16:21<babilen>ml|: I told you! But you were all: "nah, it's fine"
16:21<ml|>I'm only human :)
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16:22<ml|>johnfg: make sure to read what aptitude tells you!
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16:23<ml|>and good luck
16:23<adb>johnfg, what's your connection/machine/RAM etc ..?
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16:24<Freelancing>does one know how to tell NetworkManager NOT to start wlan every time the system is being booted??
16:24<adb>Freelancing, uninstall it ..
16:24<butzE>uninstall xD
16:24<Freelancing>need it for umts ...
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16:25<Freelancing>i am too dumb to connect via wvdial
16:25<johnfg>well, i'm not completely locked up, but just have a journal commit I/O error.
16:25<butzE>thers a checkbox
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16:26<butzE>rightclick the wlan-network and uncheck autoconnect
16:27<Freelancing>this is for connecting to appropriate APs
16:27<Freelancing>i mean i do not want wlan to be activated
16:28<Freelancing>it seems like it is not possible via GUI ...
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16:40<bremner_>do I need firmware for an intel 82566MM ethernet controller?
16:40<bremner_>err, in squeeze installer
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17:26<VaLDy>alguien sabe algo de liberar móviles ?¿
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17:27<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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17:53<trroulouloiu>hi does anybody have knowledge how to create custom menu with gnome because i don't know where to exactl put my files
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17:58<adb>trroulouloiu, try right click on Applications > Edit Menus and check Items: Debian
17:59<trroulouloiu>in fact i want to create a custom men for an application i'm developping
18:00<trroulouloiu>i m searching for where to copy the .menu .desktop files by default
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18:05<titan8990>trroulouloiu: have you already read through the freedesktop menu specifications?
18:05<trroulouloiu>i understand it
18:05<trroulouloiu>it simply the debian implementations that i do not get right
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18:06<trroulouloiu>i have and in /etc/xdg
18:06<trroulouloiu>where is debian choosing the right one and where do i have to put my own .menu file
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18:06<trroulouloiu>without editing those
18:07<titan8990>trroulouloiu: your wanting to alter the debian menu or your DE's menu?
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18:08<trroulouloiu>i just want to add a menu Debian/My application / .....
18:08<trroulouloiu>with several link
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18:08<datacrunch>anyone here use openbox as windowmanager ?
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18:35<roxdragon>help me... i have a problem with cupsd.. E [08/Apr/2010:01:51:09 +0200] PID 4161 (/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi) crashed on signal 6!
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18:36<roxdragon>binar i have a problem with cupsd E [08/Apr/2010:01:51:09 +0200] PID 4161 (/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi) crashed on signal 6!
18:36<binar>I just tried building a debug package according to\+categori\+debug), but it was empty
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18:37<binar>has anybody here experience with creating packages containing debug symbols (I tried to create one for libvorbis0a)?
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18:38<dpkg>mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. #debian-mentors on
18:39<binar>adb: is it okay to ask there also when I am currently not going to become a DD?
18:40<adb>binar, just try
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18:49<roxdragon>help me
18:49<roxdragon> [08/Apr/2010:01:51:09 +0200] PID 4161 (/usr/lib/cups/cgi-bin/admin.cgi) crashed on signal 6!
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18:51<titan8990>roxdragon: what version of debian are you running? does that make the cup webgui non-functional?
18:52<roxdragon>titan8990, use a debain 5.. yes webgui work but not access admin pages..
18:52<User_007>Hello i use squeeze amd64. There is a way to fully remove hal in thge way to get a faster boot?
18:54<babilen>User_007: Try it ... But there are *much* better ways to speed up boot time. And why do you care about that anyway?
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18:57<bja>User_007: What release of debian are you running?
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19:00<titan8990>,versions cups
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19:00<judd>cups -- etch-backports: 1.3.8-1lenny4~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.3.8-1+lenny7; lenny-security: 1.3.8-1+lenny8; squeeze: 1.4.2-4; sid: 1.4.2-10
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19:01<titan8990>roxdragon: pastebin: apt-cache policy cups
19:01<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
19:06<titan8990>roxdragon: well, it looks like it might be this bug from upstream:
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19:06<titan8990>roxdragon: it has not been reported to the debian bts, so you might want to do so
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19:07<titan8990>roxdragon: as far as fixing it, you could try to ssb from squeeze, although I am not sure how well that will work with something like cups
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19:08<roxdragon>titan8990, i am italiano
19:09<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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19:09<roxdragon>titan8990, :D
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19:11<sfyn>!remind stephane vas y pour les modifs aux formulaires
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19:21<dark_farmer>heyo, I have a question about wifi... after i edit /etc/network/interfaces do I need to restart something? How do i actually connect to the new wifi
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19:22<binar>dark_farmer: ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 (or whatever your interface is called)
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19:22<dark_farmer>what is if ?
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19:22<dark_farmer>out of curiosity
19:22<adb> interface
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19:23<dark_farmer>does that go for any interface i ahve, as far as network interfaces?
19:23<binar>dark_farmer: any interface defined in /etc/network/interface
19:23<dark_farmer>oh ok
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19:24<dark_farmer>well actually, one more q
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19:24<dark_farmer>how does /etc/network/interfaces feel about having more than one connection?
19:25<dark_farmer>like, my home wifi, and my schools wifi
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19:26<ml|>dark_farmer: for all use if* -a marked auto in /etc/network/interfaces
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19:28<dark_farmer>if* ? ifdown ifup?
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19:29<adb>man interfaces
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19:30<ml|>dark_farmer: yes
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19:30<ml|>when using both
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19:30<dark_farmer>oh didnt know there was a manual for interfaces
19:30<dark_farmer>let me give that a read
19:31<ml|>also for if* man ifdown if...
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19:32<dark_farmer>wait, if* does not mean if[wildcard] ?
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19:32<dark_farmer>totally confused here
19:32<ml|>dark_farmer: usually there is a manpage for everything and if not check in /usr/share/doc/
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19:33<dark_farmer>i guess i thought of interfaces as more of a config file... but not really important :)
19:34<ml|>dark_farmer: that was a shortcut to explain to you meaning; you can use with either ifdown or ifup ... if* see?
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19:34<dark_farmer>got it
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19:38<ml|>dark_farmer: < binar> dark_farmer: ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0 (or whatever your interface is called) <--- I explained that because that will only work with wlan0; but -a will for all marked auto ...
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19:40<dark_farmer>ml|: ah oh, that raises a new question
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19:40<dpkg>For basic networking, "man interfaces", see and . Also ask me about <interfaces>.
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19:43<adb>!tell dark_farmer -about selftell
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19:43<dark_farmer>adb, i get it
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20:16<deref>Hi, I'm using dpkg-buildpackage to build a shared library runtime and -dev package. My Makefile outputs the .so.1.0.0 and symlinks into debian/tmp/usr/lib, yet nothing seems to be archived into the .deb file. Can anyone here provide some help on this? Thanks!
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20:21<bremner_>deref: Channel #debian-mentors is better but did you read some docs at, at least the new maintainers guide?
20:21<titan8990>deref: I am guessing you need to actually copy the file to the install directory instead of linking it
20:21<deref>Yes, i sure did. That's how I got this far haha. I'll give that channel a shot. Thanks a lot.
20:22<titan8990>deref: man dh_install
20:22<deref>titan8990: what do you mean "instead of linking it"?
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20:23<titan8990>deref: just move on to #debian-mentors as suggested by bremner_. people there will know much more about it than I do
20:24<deref>titan8990: Will do. Thanks anyway
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20:52<eliezer>quien me ayuda
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20:52<eliezer>tengo un problema a la hora de intalar phpbb3
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20:55<trroulouloiu>hi does anybody know or to launch a command from the terminal and getting the prompt agter that as in KFE ?
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21:02<gsimmons>bremner_: (re 82566MM) No.
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21:04<bremner_>gsimmons: Thanks. I think it was some odd issue with the squeeze business card image but I didn't confirm yet.
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21:12<Guest1808>trroulouloiu: what?
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21:13<trroulouloiu>Guest1808 : when i launch a command from a gnome menu item it closes the terminal
21:14<trroulouloiu>i would like to keep the prompt as in backtrack
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21:18<babilen>trroulouloiu: You are running a command that is executed in a terminal/shell from the Gnome menu, but the terminal is closed once the command finishes?
21:18<babilen>trroulouloiu: If that is the case, no idea ... ;-\ but why don't you run it from within a shell anyway?
21:19<trroulouloiu>babilen: i would like to have some shortcut like mycommand --help so that whan i click on it it opens a terminal with the help of the command
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21:22<babilen>trroulouloiu: Try: right click on gnome-terminal -> profile -> profile preferences -> title and command -> when command exits "hold the terminal open"
21:24<trroulouloiu>babilen: i ll try right now :)
21:25<babilen>trroulouloiu: are you running debian?
21:25<trroulouloiu>of course
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21:27<trroulouloiu>babilen: it works but i can not type anything in the gnome-terminal ; i think this is the normal behavior for that option
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21:29<babilen>trroulouloiu: Well, that's all i could come up with. I don't use gnome ... you might want to ask in #gnome on
21:30<trroulouloiu>babilen: thanks anyway ; i did not reinstall my computer for 4 years now and i m dealing with that problem since that :)
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21:31<titan8990>trroulouloiu: if you are using the "run in terminal option", try making the command gnome-terminal -e <command> instead
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21:33<trroulouloiu>yes i tryed but it does not works , i simply think that in gnome the menu is not for launching command
21:34<trroulouloiu>i think run in terminal option is the equivalent for Terminal=1 in /usr/share/applications*.desktop files
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22:33<monkey>sorry just trying to type /help in irssi :)
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22:41<dave137>I'm thinking of switching from Ubuntu to Debian, and I have a few questions
22:41<Xenguy>dave137: good idea
22:41<Xenguy>and definitely in the right channel ;-)
22:42<dave137>I've been using Ubuntu since 2007, and up until now there haven't been any showstopping bugs, but the last release was fairly dissappointing
22:42<dave137>I've also switched to StumpWM as a window manager, and as such no longer have a need for gnome
22:42<Xenguy>dave137: I used it for a year, then went back to debian - it just wasn't as stable in my experience :-)
22:43<titan8990>!why debian
22:43<dpkg>Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also (archived at As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.
22:43<Xenguy>dave137: haven't heard of StumpWM - is it good then?
22:43<marcosroriz>debian is cool
22:43<marcosroriz>I'm using ubuntu right know but I like debian too ^_^
22:43<dave137>I want to build my next system from scratch, but I'm not sure if the fundamental differences between ubuntu and debian will be as manifest
22:44<dave137>StumpWM is a keyboard driven window manager written in clisp
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22:45<dave137>if you implemented emacs as a window manager it would be stumpwm
22:45<marcosroriz>do you use emacs Daniel_Duesentrieb
22:45<dave137>yea, extensively
22:45<Xenguy>one of these days when I have too much time, I'll try a half dozen keyboard-driven WMs :-)
22:45<Xenguy>I like keyboard-driven
22:45<dave137>I'm writing this from emacs
22:45<dave137>it really didn't take a whole lot of time to pick up if you already use emacs
22:46<dave137>(at least for stumpwm)
22:46*marcosroriz is more productive with full text edtiros like or eclipse
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22:46<marcosroriz>I wish I could learn the magic from emacs/vim
22:46<marcosroriz>I use them for .conf editing
22:46<marcosroriz>but I can't use them for long texts
22:46<dave137>the biggest pain was getting it to run with gnome, which is why I want to ditch gnome
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22:47<dave137>and if I'm ditching gnome, I just as well should ditch ubuntu in favor of something more stable, and with no sound issues
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22:47<jony123>how would someone auckland, new zealand get there key signed. Where the closest avalible person to sign is like 12 hours and a $80 train ride.
22:48<jony123>(The closest person if in welington.)
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22:50<dave137>Can someone explain the difference between lenny, etch, and squeeze, and which one ubuntu is based on?
22:50<babilen>!tell dave137 -about releases
22:50<ml|>dave137: /msg dpkg releases
22:50<Xenguy>stable/testing/unstable = lenny/squeeze/sid
22:51<babilen>dave137: Ubuntu grabs sid once in a while and hacks on the packages
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22:52<ml|>also sid/unstable never changes in terms of release name
22:52<dave137>so testing would be more stable than Ubuntu?
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22:53<Xenguy>dave137: in theory - and in theory testing is pretty stable later on in the release cycle
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22:54<ml|>testing and sid are moving targets; if you want stable use stable
22:54<babilen>dave137: stable has a very specific meaning in Debian as it means: "versions of packages do not change"
22:54<dave137>Is it possible to prune peices of unstable in a testing release?
22:54<babilen>dave137: And not "bug free"
22:55<babilen>dave137: prune?
22:55<Xenguy>dave137: I think that is called 'apt-pinning' or something
22:55<dave137>ah, I think I've heard of that
22:55<ml|>that's not to say testing is not stable; but not recommended for a new user; new user should start with stable
22:55<Xenguy>dave137: I don't know how scalable apt-pinning is, but it's an option when needed
22:56<babilen>And a lot of "old" users use stable as wel
22:56<Xenguy>ml|: I used to use both sid and testing, but now I just stick with stable :-)
22:56<dave137>I'm only a new user in the sense of new to debian, I've been using Ubuntu extensively, and I've hopped around a number of different distros as well (OpenSUSE, Fedora, Arch)
22:56<ml|>yes, new user to debian
22:57<dave137>I know my way around well enough, but I don't want to use software from a while ago even if I have to sacrifice some stability
22:57<babilen>dave137: Well, try it. Install lenny, play with it. Read documentation (/msg dpkg reference) and solve problems - *work* with your system
22:57<Xenguy>dave137: testing might be a good compromise, if you know a thing or two with linux
22:57<ml|>and when you know debian a bit better move to testing if you want
22:57<dave137>That was the impression that I had
22:57<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.
22:57<adb>dave137, ^^
22:58<babilen>dave137: If you run into problems → come here and ask before doing anything stupid (like installing Ubuntu packages/mixing Debian branches, etc)
22:58<dave137>I wouldn't do that
22:58<ml|>never do what babilen just said :)
22:59<babilen>that could be misunderstood easily :)
22:59<dave137>sns huh?
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22:59<ml|>hehe, I meant the end of what babilen just said (like ... :)
22:59<dave137>how do you remedy this? (I don't frequent Slashdot, but I do read lifehacker)
23:00<toastycow>Is it normal for Debian Lenny to use all the memory all the time?
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23:00<babilen>dave137: Once you have deadlines and things to do you don't want to fiddle with your system all the time :)
23:00<kfisher>is debian faster than ubuntu?
23:00<babilen>dave137: Or at least *have to fiddle with it* in cases of emergency
23:00<ml|>if it's their your system will use the memory and release when needed
23:01<dave137>I guess, really only need emacs
23:01<babilen>kfisher: That pretty much depends on the setup. I am sure that a fresh Debian minimal install is a lot faster than an Ubuntu one ... but also, well, quite minimal ;)
23:02<kfisher>what is best to install on a 700mb vps server in data center?
23:02<babilen>dave137: Debian/kEmacs has not yet been released
23:02<ml|>heh, tty only anyone? :)
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23:03<babilen>dave137: Just download the Debian netinstall (/msg dpkg netinst) and follow the installation guide (/msg dpkg ig) - you most definitely want to do an "expert" install. don't choose tasks and built your system from there
23:03<simonrvn>!free ram
23:03<dpkg>Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
23:03<simonrvn>toastycow: ^^^
23:04<babilen>dave137: Do you have funky hardware that needs newer kernels than 2.6.26?
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23:04<dave137>I don't think so? I have wacom tablet and a webcam, on my laptop I have a Broadcom wireless card that used to give me a lot of shit
23:04<simonrvn>kfisher: "faster"? that's a hardware thing.
23:05<simonrvn>to start with, only then is it software.
23:05<babilen>dave137: Do you have an ethernet connection? If you want:
23:05<dpkg>[hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at, see to see what's supported by the linux kernel, (PCI verification only),, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>.
23:06<dave137>I do on my desktop, but on my laptop, its more of a hassle
23:06<babilen>dave137: Paste the output of "lspci -n" to the kmuto hcl website and check Debian compatibility
23:07<babilen>dave137: May you enjoy the installation :)
23:07<dave137>:) thanks for the help
23:07<babilen>no problem
23:07<dave137>so, I should make sure that my hardware is compatible with kernels < 2.6?
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23:08<babilen>dave137: ah well, use aptitude in lieu of apt-get
23:08<ml|>you can always try with a newer kernel fro bpo
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23:08<ml|>or kmuto installer for install issues
23:08<uboats>There is few packages updated these days....
23:09<babilen>dave137: no, Debian stable installers come with 2.6.*26* - if you need something newer (eg .31) let us know ...
23:09<uboats>I'm always looking for more
23:09<babilen>uboats: Well, fix some bugs
23:09<dave137>ml, what do you mean by fro bpo?
23:09<uboats>Is there any fixed time for squeeze release?
23:09<ml|>dave137: /msg dpkg bpo
23:10<ml|>when it's ready :)
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23:10<babilen>!tell uboats about wwsr
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23:11<uboats>babilen, what's that, plz/
23:11<babilen>uboats: Read the message you have just received from dpkg
23:12<uboats>babilen, I'm not familiar with the message mechanism. Howto read that from dpkg?thanks
23:13<titan8990>usually your IRC client will open a new window, tab, or separating w/e
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23:16<ml|>with the name dpkg
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23:17<ml|>uboats: /msg dpkg selftell and /msg dpkg dpkgbot
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23:20<uboats>ml|, thx
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23:21<uboats>should the gnome packages wait for other package update before to be updated to 2.30?
23:22<adb>, versions gnome
23:22<judd>gnome -- etch: 1:; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; squeeze: 1:2.28+6; sid: 1:2.28+7
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23:22<babilen>uboats: They need to get packaged first - and yes there will be dependencies between certain packages
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23:26<uboats>How can I be a maintainer of debian package? How's the application? And is it that what the maintainer should do is only compile the software source code to deb package and then upload to mirror?
23:27<dpkg>The New Maintainer's Guide (, Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see
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23:29<johnfg>hey guys.
23:29<babilen>welcome back
23:30<johnfg>Well, a full-upgrade pretty much succeeded, but I'm chatting from fedora.
23:30<babilen>uh, how come?
23:30<johnfg>It appears that there is/was a problem with the grub file.
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23:32<johnfg>I can look at it while in fedora, but what is the actual name of it? i.e., i'm looking in the grub folder, then at menu.lst, but that's not a changed file.
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23:32<ml|>johnfg: did you do read what aptitude told you when updating to grub2?
23:32<johnfg>Yeah, I'm sure I did, and it detected other os's. Is there a dpkg thing about it?
23:34<johnfg>I read the dpkg, but what I was going to say, even though the other os's were detected, they're not in menu.lst.
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23:35<sney>grub2 doesn't use menu.lst, iirc. that file is probably just left over from your grub-legacy install.
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23:35<ml|>grub2 uses /boot/grub/grub.cfg which you should not edit
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23:36<johnfg>ml|, ok.
23:36<sney>everything you need is in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d
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23:37<ml|>johnfg: did you do update-from-grublegacy, <--- that probably wrong I forget the actuall command
23:37<johnfg>Its upgrade-from-grub-legacy.
23:38<babilen>isn't grub2 chainloaded?
23:39<ml|>untill you run that command should be
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23:42<johnfg>So will legacy grub, when it boots 2.6.32-3-686 be booting squeeze?
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23:43<ml|>johnfg: so you can't boot?
23:43<johnfg>will the upgrade-from-grub-legacy write to the mbr?
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23:44<ml|>iirc yes don't do that until chainloading works first
23:44<ml|>after you boot correctly then run that command, but not before
23:45<johnfg>ml|, Not debian, I don't think, but I just saw the old grub menu.
23:46<ml|>yes it keeps a copy even after you run that command
23:47<johnfg>of course, to know what kernel's running I'd issue, uname -a or -r; but how will I know that I'm running squeeze and not lenny?
23:47<Cygnus>leap of faith?
23:48<ml|>dpkg version
23:48<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
23:48<dpkg>Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions.
23:49<johnfg>OK, thanks guys. Should be back from *squeeze* in just a few.
23:49<johnfg>Wish me success!
23:49<ml|>Cygnus: /msg dpkg selftell
23:50<ml|>johnfg: so is debian listed or other OS's?
23:50<Cygnus>ml|: An apology, i was looking for something else
23:50<ml|>np, just so you know
23:50<Cygnus>ml|: I wouldn't like to spam the channel
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