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#debian IRC Logs for 2010-04-09

---Logopened Fri Apr 09 00:00:58 2010
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00:02<johnfg>I'm back from debian, going to check what release!
00:03<johnfg>What was that I needed to tell dpkg again?
00:03<Cygnus>ml|: ^^
00:03<johnfg>And there's no web browser?
00:03<johnfg>What's with that?
00:04<ml|>johnfg: /msg dpkg version
00:04<ml|>johnfg: so debian and other OS's boot fine?
00:04<ml|>Cygnus: thanks btw
00:05<johnfg>hooray! squeeze/sid.
00:05<johnfg>Where's our web browser?
00:05<ml|>!congratulate johnfg
00:05<dpkg>Huzzah johnfg, you did it!
00:05<Cygnus>johnfg: iceweasel?
00:05<ml|>what do you mean?
00:06<johnfg>What I mean, is that epiphany is no longer on my top menu, and I have no web browser in my Applications/Internet.
00:06<johnfg>I.e., my top Panel.
00:06<ml|>does it run from a terminal?
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00:09<johnfg>Nope, it won't run from the terminal. did safe-upgrade or full-upgrade remove it?
00:09<johnfg>them?
00:09<ml|>maybe
00:09<ml|>also /msg dpkg menu ; but that should be done at install time
00:10<ml|>johnfg: read /var/log/aptitude for what happened
00:10<ml|>if it got removed during upgrade
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00:12<johnfg>Looks like it got removed because of some dependency issues.
00:12<johnfg>Maybe flash-player? or jre plugin?
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00:18<johnfg>hey guys
00:19<johnfg>Sorry I had to bomb out, but system update was hungup, and I couldn't kill it without logging out. Is this a known bug?
00:19<ml|>all is fine?
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00:19<johnfg>ml|, Almost all :-)
00:19<ml|>what do you mean by that?
00:20<johnfg>btw, I don't expect squeeze to be quite as stable as lenny
00:20<johnfg>ml|, Well, I ran System/Administration/Update Manager, and it hung up, giving an error message and asking if I wanted to file a bug report.
00:21<johnfg>Usually, I just run aptitude, but thought I'd try the gui.
00:21<ml|>oh, don't use that, you mean synaptic?
00:21<johnfg>Right, synaptic.
00:22<ml|>and your system is upto date right?
00:22<ml|>and not a bad idea to file a bug report
00:22<johnfg>No, since Update Manager bombed, I didn't run synaptic. But I will now.
00:23<ml|>well, use aptitude for that them try again with synaptic
00:24<ml|>it should be upto date after what you did tho
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00:30<evilmaniac>:D
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00:36<johnfg>What happened to dpkg-reconfigure?
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00:37<ml|>should still be there
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00:40<johnfg>I'm having problems from the upgrade with postgres (which I never used myself) and netatalk and slapd.
00:40<johnfg>postgresql, i.e.
00:41<johnfg>Does the system use postgresql? I'm a mysql guy myself.
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00:44<ml|>johnfg: I don't know about that, but does debian and your others OS's boot fine?
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01:22<bet0x>now is better
01:22<bet0x>i prefer ipv6 :P
01:22<bet0x>how are you ?
01:22<bet0x>Yes, YOU :D
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01:39<MeglaW_>lol when i went to bed deb installation was at 74%, now its at 81%
01:39<MeglaW_>better watch that speed
01:39<MeglaW_>speed kills you know
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01:46<sney>o_O must be a slowish computer
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02:09<MeglaW_>still 81% haha
02:10<ml|>give it a push :)
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02:16<k-man>will a cron job of 0 0 * * * run once per day at midnight?
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02:18<debclair>hi! is it possible to have a mono installation from debians repositories and another mono installation but from latest source in the same system?
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02:22<k-man>debclair: what do you mean by "mono"?
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02:23<hubba>hello, where did the binary executable for cryptsetup go? it's not in package cryptsetup anymore
02:23<hubba>is this just a regression in debian unstable, or was it moved somewhere else?
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02:23<debclair>the mono framework, .net's ECMA implementation
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02:25<Torsten_W>hubba, what do you mean?
02:27<Torsten_W>hubb cryptsetup_1.1.0-2.1_amd64.deb ==> /sbin/cryptsetup
02:27<hubba>Torsten_W, http://pastebin.com/8JKHmwGW
02:27<hubba>there's only some files from /etc
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02:30<hubba>oh, nevermind... not sure what happened, but apt-get claimed cryptsetup wasn't installed, and when I did "apt-get install cryptsetup", it installed it, and after this dpkg -L listed all files I expected to be there
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02:31<debclair>k-man, can you help me please?
02:31<hubba>the "Installed: (none)" line in the apt-cache output didn't catch my eye
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02:42<Guest1850>heii
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02:58<steppenwolf>hi there
02:59<steppenwolf><I need some help on ubuntu
02:59<jm_>!tell steppenwolf -about ubuntu
02:59<steppenwolf>but there is nobody on #ubuntu
03:00<jm_>it mentions another irc server ...
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03:34<madduck>has anyone managed to get the Intel Wifi 6000 chip to work yet? The module loads fine, but the firmware is not loaded (firmware-iwlwifi is installed). Consequently, I cannot bring the NIC up
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03:35<gsimmons>madduck: What version of firmware-iwlwifi do you have installed?
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03:39<jmm>hi !
03:39<madduck>gsimmons: there is only 0.23
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03:40<madduck>gsimmons: point being is that the kernel doesn't even seem to look for firmware, i.e. dmesg has no messages or errors
03:42<gsimmons>madduck: Is your device available/enabled? (lspci)
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03:48<madduck>gsimmons: OMG. there's a hardware switch. :/
03:48<gsimmons>That would do it. :)
03:48<madduck>it now works. In 15 years of thinkpad, that's the first model with a rfkill switch
03:48<madduck>thanks!
03:48<gsimmons>np
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04:02<debclair>hi, can you please help me know where is my gnome installed?
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04:04<dr|z3d>!fgi debclair gnome+beginners+guide
04:04<dpkg>debclair: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=gnome+beginners+guide
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04:06<debclair>ok thanks -_-
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04:07<nfsnobody>hey all - can anyone tell me how to update my squeeze machine to 2.6.32-9?
04:07<nfsnobody>from what I can tell, I'm currently running 2.6.32-5, but I can't find a way to upgrade higher
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04:13<nfsnobody>I *think* I have to get it from sid... I don't know if I that means I have to change everything to sid, or if I can just upgrade the kernel...
04:13<gsimmons>judd: kernel --release squeeze
04:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
04:13<gsimmons>nfsnobody: Install a linux-image-2.6.32-3-* package that is appropriate for your system.
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04:15<nfsnobody>thanks gsimmons - I'll give it a try :)
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04:21<monoglets>monoglets@squeeze:~$ uname -a
04:21<monoglets>Linux squeeze 2.6.33.2 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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04:46<AlBaTrOs>Hello every1
04:46<AlBaTrOs>is adb online?
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04:52<AlBaTrOs>any support for debian in romanian?
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04:53<jm_>!ro
04:53<jm_>I guess not
04:55<AlBaTrOs>!ro
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05:24<MeglaW_>82% lol
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05:24<MeglaW_>aprotching 12h for 8% hehe
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05:54<wrksx>hi
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05:55<wrksx>I'm trying to create my first script, and I wonder if there's a way to check if a variable is an URL ?
05:56<jm_>yes
05:56<wrksx><jm_>pretty cool
05:56<wrksx>can you give me a lead ?
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05:57<jm_>wrksx: modern shells can do matching, then there's expr or grep
05:58<wrksx>sh.t this seems way too dificult for the needs of my script
05:58<wrksx>thanks anyway
06:00<jm_>it's really simple
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06:01<wrksx>in this ligne, what's the use for the brackets ?
06:01<wrksx>echo ${ligne}
06:02<jm_>it can be ignored but it's a good practice in general
06:02<wrksx>no effects at all ?
06:02<jm_>!abs
06:02<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at http://tldp.org/guides.html#abs . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>.
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06:10<wrksx>If I got an error in my script (no argument), with code sould be returned with exit ? is it important ?
06:11<jm_>that's up to you to define
06:11<wrksx>i meant 'which'
06:11<wrksx>I can't understand... Is this like some return value ?
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06:12<jm_>it's the exit value that can be checked by whoever is calling your script
06:12<jm_>exit code
06:12<wrksx>ok
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06:13<wrksx>is there a convention about the 0 exit value ?
06:13<jm_>0 means success
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06:13<wrksx>ok
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06:15<wrksx>if I wish to use $1 to access the argument, how can I check if an argument has at leat been provided ?
06:16<azeem_>wrksx: this is not a general programming advice channel
06:16<azeem_>try #bash (maybe on freenode9
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06:17<wrksx>ok thx a lot
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06:47<danners>hey i have a machine with a MIPS OHIO processor which lenny port would run on this processor?
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06:53<danners>i found out that it seems to be an ar7 mips processor does somebody know which port supports these cpus?
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06:54<Lethalman>danners, http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/
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06:55<danners>Lethalman: yes i know but i don't know if i should take mips or mipsel...
06:55<Lethalman>danners, if it's mips processor, choose mips
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06:56<Lethalman>danners, I think you can check mips.com too
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07:00<jimmy_>hello i just graduated to amd64 bit debian but am now unable to run Skype
07:00<jimmy_>i have installed the 64 bit ubuntu deb but it fails to run
07:01<jimmy_>should i install the 32bit libraries for qt4 to resolve?
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07:01<Lethalman>jimmy_, what's the error running it from the command line?
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07:02<jimmy_>lethalman: "skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
07:02<jimmy_>libQtDBus.so.4 exists
07:03<Lethalman>jimmy_, but not for 32-bit
07:03<Lethalman>so as you said I think you need 32 bit libraries
07:03<jimmy_>ahh ok. so how would install the 32 bit libraries? and can i have them installed side by side with the 64bit ones?
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07:03<Lethalman>jimmy_, yes as far as they exist
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07:05<Lethalman>jimmy_, sounds weird but it's the ia32-libs-gtk package :)
07:06<Lethalman>it also contains qt even it's called -gtk
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07:07<jimmy_>lethalman: you are my hero!
07:07<Lethalman>jimmy_, apt-file is
07:07<jimmy_>lethalman: that package worked, i would of never found that
07:08<jimmy_>does that mean skype is using the 32 bit libraries, despite the fact that im running a 64 arch?
07:08<jimmy_>or is it a special 32->64 conversion library?
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07:09<seeS>it does, probably skype is not linked for 64bit
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07:11<Lethalman>jimmy_, it does use 32 bit libraries because it's a 32 binary
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07:11<jimmy_>so running a 64bit arch means i can also run 32 bit executables?
07:12<Lethalman>jimmy_, yes amd64 processors support 32 executables
07:12<Aleric>vuze stopped working after my last update (testing) :/
07:12<jimmy_>ls
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07:13<jimmmmy_>so i can then run *ALL* 32 bit executibles on my 64 kernel?
07:13<jimmmmy_>?
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07:15<Lethalman>jimmmmy_, yes as far as you have 32bit libraries linked with that executable
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07:16<jimmmmy_>ahh so a 32bit kernel can run a 32bit executible without libraries, a 64 kernel needs the 32 bit libraries to run it?
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07:16<jimmmmy_>is that right or have i missed the point?
07:17<seeS>32bit binaries need 32bit libraries
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07:18<Aleric>Is there a simple way to test if my java installation works?
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07:18<Aleric>hikaru:~>azureus
07:18<Aleric>[warning] /usr/bin/azureus: Unable to locate swt in /usr/share/java
07:18<Aleric>long error message follows..
07:19<jimmmmy_>so then a 64 bit arch can run both 32bit and 64bit binaries. but a 32 bit arch can only execute a 32bit binary? is that the major difference in terms of compatibility?
07:19<jimmmmy_>aleric: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
07:19<jimmmmy_>aleric: provided you have the java browser plugin installed
07:20<Aleric>jimmmmy_: That page says "Your Java is working"
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07:20<Aleric>But azureus stopped working, just after an "apt-get update" and upgrade.
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07:21<valdyn>Aleric: looks like you removed swt when upgrading
07:21<valdyn>Aleric: that doesnt break java though
07:21<valdyn>Aleric: but it breaks azureus
07:22<Aleric>http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568940
07:22<Aleric>It is a bug in debian
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07:29<AlBaTrOs>!ro
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07:33<AlBaTrOs>any romanian support?
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07:34<Aleric>!ro
07:35<Aleric>bot dead, or does that not work anymore?
07:35<babilen>dpkg: wb
07:35<dpkg>thanks, babilen. It's good to be back.
07:35<babilen>it's working
07:35<babilen>dpkg: ro
07:35<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, babilen
07:35<babilen>but there is no factoid for ro
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07:36<Aleric>There used to be a way to say the country FQDN last part of a LOT of countries and get a reply in that language pointing them to another channel.
07:36<babilen>There is a #debian-ro channel
07:36<AlBaTrOs>i know
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07:37<AlBaTrOs>but i was looking for a specific person : adb
07:37<babilen>Aleric: Yes, it works for other languages
07:37<AlBaTrOs>i talked to him last night
07:37<babilen>AlBaTrOs: adb is in this channel
07:37<babilen>!seen adb
07:37<dpkg>adb is currently on #debian, last said: '!tell Ajayk -about 70'.
07:38<AlBaTrOs>well i guess you can help me also
07:38<AlBaTrOs>can you?
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07:39<babilen>AlBaTrOs: Just ask a question - If someone can help (s)he will help.
07:39<AlBaTrOs>after i install linux debian on my machine or i start it with live cd it stops at cpu_idle+0x1e/0xd0
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07:40<AlBaTrOs>EVERY TIME
07:40<jm_>sounds like kernel panic or somesuch
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07:41<babilen>yeah, that is most likely a kernel panic
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07:41<AlBaTrOs>i tried takeing our the ram piece by piece and still doesn't start
07:41<babilen>AlBaTrOs: The installation works fine?
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07:41<babilen>When does this happen?
07:42<AlBaTrOs>i've done the same installation on several machines
07:43<babilen>And you get that kernel panic on every single one of these machines on the first boot?
07:43<AlBaTrOs>no
07:43<AlBaTrOs>just on my PC
07:44<AlBaTrOs>i'm on the laptop now and i want to install on my dekstop PC linux debian
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07:44<AlBaTrOs>in fact it does say on the screen panic+0x4d
07:44<babilen>Might be that the kernel does not like some of your hardware, or that there is a hardware problem. I would try installing a newer kernel and testing your RAM and the rest of the hardware
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07:45<AlBaTrOs>ok i think i guess what the problem it is
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07:45<babilen>You could boot a Live CD with a recent kernel, chroot into your Debian installation and install a newer kernel from backports (/msg dpkg bpo)
07:45<AlBaTrOs>where can i find a partition magic that works under dos?
07:46<jm_>AlBaTrOs: best option is to save it and then google for it or try a newer kernel
07:46<babilen>*shrug* haven't used Windows in years
07:46<AlBaTrOs>the thing is that my hdd is so stupid i can't change it from ntfs
07:46<jm_>i also see cpu_idle crap from time to time when working with SATA DVD-ROM device
07:46<AlBaTrOs>but it makes an ext3 partition of 7 mb
07:46<babilen>You've installed Debian on NTFS?
07:47<babilen>Is that even possible? o_O
07:47<AlBaTrOs>i have only ide devices
07:47<AlBaTrOs>but i also have 2 sata ports
07:47<AlBaTrOs>unused
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07:48<AlBaTrOs>and without any hdd connected it gives me the same cpu_idle
07:48<babilen>Could you explain in detail how NTFS is used in your setup and what you have done so far and why you think that the problem is NTFS related. I did not quite understand that
07:48<AlBaTrOs>when i use live debian cd
07:49<AlBaTrOs>well, since i got that device i couldn't convert it to anything else but ntfs
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07:49<AlBaTrOs>after i install the software on it it's still ntfs but with a 7 mb partition ext3
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08:01<jackz>hwat does this mean? http://pastebin.com/TbknTmAj
08:02<jackz>what is "migration to dependency-based boot sequencing: "
08:02<jm_>it's a migration away from traditional sysv init
08:02<jackz>so it's advised to migrate?
08:03<jackz>or not
08:04<jm_>not sure what the idea is - new install use it by default, but I forgot what happens on upgrades
08:04<jm_>installs*
08:05<babilen>works perfectly over here - you can fix the problems by running "aptitude purge ~c" that will remove all packages that were removed but not purged)
08:05<jm_>anyway, do you need those packages in rc state?
08:05<babilen>You can also just "aptitude purge PKG1 ... PKGN" for the problematic packages
08:05<gsimmons>jackz: After purging, run 'dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc' to re-attempt the migration.
08:06<jm_>does this also imply parallel init?
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08:07<karme>jm_: thats the idea
08:07<karme>jm_: or at least part of it
08:07<jm_>karme: right, thanks
08:08<karme>jm_: and to fix the dependency issues
08:09<jackz>success: Enabled dependency based boot system.
08:09<jackz>thanks
08:09<jm_>!congratulate jackz
08:09<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies jackz, you did it!
08:09<jackz>:)
08:10<babilen>jackz: Also read /usr/share/doc/insserv/README.Debian (especially the part on echo CONCURRENCY=makefile >> /etc/default/rcS"
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08:25<balram>Hi friends
08:25<balram>is there some one?
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08:26<babilen>no
08:26<balram>could any body please tell me how to install postgis on debian lenny?
08:28<karme>balram: aptitude install postgis
08:28<babilen>*surprise*
08:28<karme>balram: then read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-8.3-postgis/README.Debian.gz
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08:29<babilen>,depends postgis
08:29<judd>postgis -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpq5 (>= 8.3~beta1).
08:29<babilen>,suggests postgis
08:29<judd>postgis -- suggests: postgresql-8.3-postgis.
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08:29<babilen>ah, (s)he left already ...
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08:30<karme>:-(
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08:35<balram><karme>: i have tried same
08:35<balram>but getting error as:
08:35<balram>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "postgis"
08:36<balram>does anybody knows solution?
08:36<babilen>balram: Paste the output of "apt-cache policy postgis" to http://paste.debian.net please (also include "apt-cache policy")
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08:39<MeglaW_>83% now
08:39<babilen>your /etc/apt/sources.list would be interesting as well
08:39<babilen>MeglaW_: of what?
08:40<jm_>installation
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08:40<babilen>ah, great :)
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08:42<MeglaW_>its about 13h now for 9% hehe
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08:42<babilen>MeglaW_: wow, you need a faster downlink
08:43<babilen>balram: Are you at it?
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08:44<balram>http://paste.debian.net/68146/
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08:44<MeglaW_>babilen: 50mbps aint good enough hehe
08:44<MeglaW_>its not that, its ram that limits the speed
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08:45<babilen>what's up with balram?
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08:46<balram>any idea guys?
08:46<babilen>balram: Please provide the information I asked you about
08:46<karme>balram: please also paste "apt-cache policy" and /etc/apt/sources.list as babilen suggested
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08:49<balram>http://paste.debian.net/68149/
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08:49<babilen>balram: You should configure /etc/apt/sources.list to point to a mirror near you
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08:49<babilen>!tell balram about sources.list
08:49<karme>!tell balram about sources
08:49<babilen>!tell balram about mirrors
08:50<karme>ups sorry
08:50<babilen>no problem
08:50<balram>http://paste.debian.net/68151/
08:50<babilen>hehe
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08:51<babilen>balram: It's OK, we don't need the information anymore. Edit your sources.list to point to a mirror near you (or just replace the <cc> with your country code) and run "aptitude update"
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08:53<balram>i am not getting which section to update in source.list
08:53<balram>http://paste.debian.net/68153/
08:53<balram>could you please tell me?
08:54<babilen>balram: Where are you geographically?
08:54<balram>in India (Asia)
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08:56<MrclX>hey
08:56<MrclX>some1 online?
08:57<dr|z3d>!ask
08:57<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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08:58<babilen>balram: http://paste.debian.net/68154/
08:58<balram><babilen> where am i going wrong in process, any guess?
08:58<babilen>balram: Ah, wait!
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08:59<babilen>balram: http://paste.debian.net/68155/ ← your new sources.list
08:59<babilen>balram: Run "aptitude update" after you've changed your sources
09:00<MrclX>okay i've got a server. now im @install with the actual netinstal. for my desktops i choosed by the creating-partitions "all-in-one". for servers i think seperated partitions would be nice.
09:00<MrclX>i dont wanna make a server just for 1 thing, the minor thing is to make a fileserver for the lan
09:00<babilen>MrclX: I would create a LVM setup
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09:03<MrclX>but i also wanna set up some other stuff like gameserver (for lan) etc. my question is: at 512 mb ram and a 73gb scsi hdd: how should i make the partitions? seperate tmp/home/var...? how large? i want to be flexible
09:03<MrclX>i thought 2 gb swap cause maybe i wanna upgrade to 1gb ram
09:03<babilen>MrclX: ^^^^ LVM with seperate volume groups is the way to go
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09:04<MrclX>y ive done that and the suggestion from debian is:
09:04<MrclX>1.5GB Swap
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09:04<MrclX>and / 353,7MB
09:04<MrclX>1.5GB Swap
09:04<MrclX>sry
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09:05<babilen>MrclX: one second
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09:05<MrclX>for /: 353mb, for /usr 5gb, for /var 3gb, for swap 1.5gb, for /tmp 403mb and for /home 63gb
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09:06<MrclX>i dont think i need that much for home but i dont know im beginner in linux and also with servers.
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09:09<babilen>MrclX: Read up on LVM - it gives you the flexibility to change the "partitions" later .. If you think that you don't need such a huge /home than give the space to something else
09:09<babilen>MrclX: Where will be bulk of the data be saved?
09:10<MrclX>i dont know the word "bulk" sry but i have 2x 1,5tb hdds for files and stuff
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09:11<babilen>MrclX: Where will most of your data be saved? If you want to serve files, you might want to create a huge /srv volume group ...
09:11<babilen>!fhs
09:11<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
09:11<babilen>!lvm
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09:11<dpkg>it has been said that lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net.
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09:12<babilen>MrclX: If you have databases create a huge /var/lib/postgresql (or mysql) ..
09:13<MrclX>my data will be saved on a raid0 with 2x1,5tb hdds, when i get a 3rd/4th 1,5tb hdd i will make a raid5 out of it. and the system, debian, is on a 73gb scsi hdd.
09:13<babilen>It really depends on your usage - the good thing is that if you use LVM you can adapt the filesystem sizes to your needs later without problems
09:13<MrclX>hmm if i dont make it now i can do it later too, right? when i know more about servers and stuff than i might know what i need....
09:13<MrclX>ahh okay
09:13<MrclX>nice ;D
09:13<babilen>MrclX: Just read the LVM links dpkg mentioned - You will understand the merits of it ...
09:14<MrclX>okay thanks
09:14<babilen>MrclX: The FHS will give you an understanding what different parts of the filesystem are used for
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09:15<babilen>MrclX: And it also depends on the services you want to run, because most of them have typical directories to save their data
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09:15<babilen>MrclX: If you just want to have a big pile of data you want to serve to users, you might want to use the 3TB for a gigantic /srv/ directory
09:16<babilen>MrclX: If you use databases, webservers, etc ... you need a large /var and so on ...
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09:17<babilen>MrclX: It is typically a very good idea to seperate /home from / - you might also want to use seperate /var /usr/ /bin etc for different reasons (security, different filesystems, ...)
09:17<babilen>There just isn't a solution that fits everything ...
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09:19<babilen>balram: Everything worked out?
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09:21<MrclX>yes for the 3 tb i just want to make a huge dictory where all my stuff (films, music, pictures and stuff) comes in. and for nearly everything other i want to use the 73gb scsi hdd. cause i dont need much storage for my "server"-processes (i mean i have not much mysql databases or something). the main thing for me is to safe the date, than to stream to xbox360 and over the net on-deamand music from the /srv/. than a small webserver jus
09:21<MrclX>t for tests, not to make a running website. and than i want to to some stuff like game/voiceserver for the lan and other little things but non who need much of storage. so i want to be flexible with the partitions that i can make everything a bit ^^. and now ill see the lvm/fsh links. thanks.
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09:21<MrclX>*date=data ^^
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09:23<babilen>good luck - if you have specific questions come back :)
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09:23<babilen>and keep in mind that you can change it later anyway
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09:24<MrclX>yeah when this is done easily thats rly no problem ^^
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09:26<babilen>if I were you: At least -> seperate / /home and /var ..
09:26<babilen>and one big /srv for the data your daemons will serve
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09:42<balram><babilen>: Its done
09:42<balram>Thanks very much
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09:42<babilen>no problem - glad it worked out
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09:43<balram>bye guys
09:43<balram>have a good time
09:44<babilen>you too
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09:50<mib_a90wgr>hi. my java installation is not being recognized by web pages. i have sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-jre, and java-common installed via aptitude.
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09:51<mib_a90wgr>i can run .jar programs
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09:51<mib_a90wgr>and everything else seems fine. running lenny and using ff 3.6
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09:54<babilen>mib_a90wgr: install sun-java6-plugin and try it with iceweasel
09:56<babilen>MrclX: Ah, totally forgot to mention swap .. use something like 2*RAM
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09:57<babilen>MrclX: And you might want to create two seperate volume groups (one with the 73GB drive and the other with the two 1.5TB)
09:57<pythags12>hey all
09:57<babilen>welcome
09:57<titan8990>babilen: that actually has a new 0-day: http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/12122
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09:57<pythags12>hey titan
09:57<babilen>titan8990: yeah ...
09:58<babilen>mib_a90wgr: Well, then use something like icedtea6-plugin
09:58<pythags12>got a qestion trying to install disk-manager in debian ....and i get python-notify is not installed, disable notification
09:58<snake>is there any way I can have nm-applet, gnome-volume-control-applet and gnome-power-manager independent of the notification area?
09:58<pythags12>what does that mean
09:58<babilen>snake: No, they are applets they *need* to dock into something like that
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09:58<titan8990>pythags12: pastebin your full output
09:59<pythags12>link
09:59<titan8990>!paste
09:59<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
09:59<pythags12>ok cool
09:59<snake>babilen: i mean on the gnome-panel, but without the notification area
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10:00<babilen>snake: I don't understand what you want. You want to use gnome-panel with the functionality of the notification area, but you don't want to use the notification area? o_O
10:00<pythags12>titan here it is.........
10:00<pythags12>http://paste.debian.net/68168/
10:01<snake>babilen: I ask because in running fluxbox with gnome-panel, it doesn't load those reliably, even having added them to my startup script
10:01<pythags12>i need to acces my windows hard drive to tranfers files and it wont let me.
10:01<pythags12>thats another one..
10:01<titan8990>pythags12: what version of debian are you running, and how did you install disk-manager?
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10:02<babilen>snake: It worked pretty well over here... you could try something like trayer. It might be that you have to run additional gnome services like gnome-settings-daemon
10:02<titan8990>pythags12: you don't need disk-manager to access your windows hard drive, only ntfs-3g
10:02<pythags12>2.6.26-2-amd64
10:02<babilen>snake: Doesn't fluxbox come with it's own system tray?
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10:03<titan8990>pythags12: pastebin apt-cache policy disk-manager
10:03<pythags12>ok
10:03<babilen>snake: A look into .xsession-errors might also be interesting
10:03<snake>babilen: yeah, but i prefer the functionality of the gnome-panel, especially the window-picker-applet from ubuntu since it's on a netbook
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10:04<pythags12>http://paste.debian.net/68170/
10:05<babilen>snake: I can run the gnome-panel without problems in wmii, fluxbox and xmonad (I don't do that, but I know it worked in the past) .. not sure why it is not working for you. And what do you mean by "it doesn't load those reliably" ?
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10:05<pythags12>i got 2 problems titan one is this and the other is the ati cards..but i can get this first it will be great
10:06<titan8990>pythags12: ah, I think I see the problem. instead of launching as root do: "gksu disk-manager" as a regular user
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10:06<teguh>how to configure wifi on debian 5.03 KDE or XFCE AMD64, on COMPAQ CQ515
10:06<titan8990>teguh: lscpi -nn, paste the line for your wireless card
10:07<snake>babilen: it works about half the time... restart fluxbox, it works some of the time... hang on, i'll pastebin relevant lines from my startup and xsession.errors
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10:07<nostmith>babilen, snake, for me gnome-volume-applet doesn't start at all in gnome. dunno what is the problem, i just removed it from the autostart and added the mixer applet to the panel.
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10:08<babilen>teguh: "lspci -nn|grep -ie net"
10:08<pythags12>awesome
10:08<nostmith>snake, as for the other things in notification area, stalonetray might be better.
10:09<pythags12>titan ur da man
10:09<babilen>or trayer, or the one that comes with fluxbox ...
10:09<pythags12>wait c i can tranfer or read or write
10:09<titan8990>pythags12: nice, so it worked?
10:09<babilen>pythags12, titan8990: shit - that was my first thought ... should have mentioned it
10:09<pythags12>one sec
10:09<snake>here's relevant stuff from my startup... without the sleep parts they don't start at all http://pastebin.com/WtNMFvhT
10:09*nostmith will give a try to trayer in a moment
10:10<teguh>sorry, now i use xubuntu, debian on other partition
10:10<babilen>teguh: No problem "lspci -nn|grep -ie network" should still work
10:10<titan8990>snake: the gnome-session-manager should handle starting that stuff... there should not be any need to do it manually
10:11<Zathraz>Can I abuse /etc/alternatives to set java classpath? Any recommendations?
10:11<snake>nostmith: i'll check out stalonetray and trayer...
10:11<snake>titan8990: nope, no such luck
10:11<titan8990>Zathraz: you should use update-java-alternatives... although, me, not being a java programmer, I do not fully understand what you want to do
10:11<titan8990>snake: what version of debian?
10:11<snake>titan8990: squeeze
10:12<snake>titan8990: in this version the volume control is separate, but i understand it to be put in the notification area in sid...
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10:13<pythags12>titan it worked..but its saying could not read /home/xags/albums etc
10:13<pythags12>i cant tranfer files over it wont read it
10:14<teguh>debian 5.03 XFCE is faster than Xubuntu 9.10, on Xubuntu wifi can work by configured by this comand : $ sudo apt-get install dkms patch fakeroot bcmwl-kernel-source
10:14<Zathraz>classpath used to be essential. Nowadays within debian it is kind of optional. classpath is not something which is part of alternatives but can be reconstructed from it. Say using "java" or "java_vm" or other entries. So my question is basically. Is this a good idea (or why not) and which one should I preferably use
10:14<Zathraz>I need it to install EJBCA a j2ee certificate authority oss
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10:15<titan8990>pythags12: what are you actually trying to do?
10:15<teguh>lspci -nn|grep -ie network
10:15<teguh>06:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
10:16<titan8990>Zathraz: update-java-alternatives does not accomplish this?
10:16<pythags12>tranfer files from debian to windows 7....
10:17<gsimmons>dpkg: tell teguh -about bcm4312
10:17<pythags12>need to tranfer my songs files to windows...etc
10:17<titan8990>gsimmons: that is not a factoid
10:18<titan8990>!tell teguh about wl
10:18<titan8990>teguh: that is probably the biggest PITA card you could have
10:18<Zathraz>titan8990, afaik it doesn't
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10:18<titan8990>pythags12: you can't use the standard file manager?
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10:18<gsimmons>titan8990: Uh, what? It describes two methods of support for the BCM4312 LP-PHY.
10:19<snake>would stalonetray or trayer work with gnome-panel?
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10:19<teguh>i'm not understanding about PITA card
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10:19<bellows>I need some help. I'm running Debian 5 but require the newest version of Irssi (0.8.15) which is currently in Debian Sid. Can I grab a one off package from Sid?
10:19<bellows>I never use Sid apart from needing this Irssi 0.8.15
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10:20<babilen>teguh: PITA = Pain In The Ass = horrible to setup
10:20<babilen>!tell bellows about ssb
10:20<babilen>,verions irssi
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10:20<babilen>,versions irssi
10:20<judd>irssi -- etch: 0.8.10-2; etch-backports: 0.8.12-7~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.8.12-7; lenny-backports: 0.8.14-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 0.8.15~rc1-1; sid: 0.8.15-1
10:20<titan8990>!bcm4312
10:20<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, see http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp to provide the required firmware (not yet packaged, BTS #561450). Lenny users: for 2.6.32 kernel image packages, ask me about <bpo>. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>.
10:20<babilen>bellows: Or you can install 0.8.14 from backports
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10:21<babilen>snake: Sure
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10:21<bellows>But I want 0.8.15 ;)
10:21<babilen>snake: Not sure if you want that though
10:21<titan8990>gsimmons: my mistake, I was looking at !bcm4321
10:21<bellows>babilen: Thanks, is installing from a .deb similar to apt-get right?
10:21<babilen>bellows: Well, then create a backport yourself
10:21<snake>babilen: why so?
10:22<gsimmons>titan8990: Ah, np.
10:22<babilen>snake: You will have two trays then ...
10:22<nostmith>just don't enable notification area in gnome-panel
10:22<babilen>bellows: I don't quite understand the question. aptitude/apt-get downloads packages from the repos you configured. If you backport a package yourself, you would use "dpkg -i <pkg>.deb" to install it manually
10:23<snake>babilen: ditching the notification area is a non-issue : ) it's really what i wanted to do in the first place
10:23<babilen>snake: ok
10:23<bellows>What will a deb-src line for sid look like? Just copy the default deb-src line and change lenny to sid?
10:23<pythags12>titan8990..
10:23<babilen>bellows: exactly
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10:24<babilen>bellows: *only* the deb-src!!!!
10:24<pythags12>it worked only through konqeuror as root
10:24<ml|>bellows: /msg dpkg ssb
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10:24<pythags12>that will do thanks
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10:24<babilen>ml|: The ssb factoid has: "Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list
10:24<babilen>ml|: Hence the question - welcome back btw
10:25<ml|>babilen: ah ok and thanks
10:25<pythags12>guys anyone use ati radeon cards
10:26-!-mode/#debian [+l 426] by debhelper
10:26<babilen>pythags12: Yes, lots of people
10:26<bellows>babilen: "apt-get -b source packagename" do i change source?
10:26<bellows>or just packagename?
10:26<pythags12>ok..cool coul i pastebin my problem with this..
10:26<babilen>bellows: packagename - source is the command (download source) and '-b' causes apt-get to build it
10:27<bellows>interesting.. thks
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10:28<bellows>babilen: so i can share that .deb so that others don't have to do all of that.. ? :P
10:29<babilen>bellows: yes (given that they use they use the same architecture) - but that wasn't that hard, or?
10:29<bellows>babilen: no. i thought it would take much longe
10:29<babilen>hehe
10:30<bellows>babilen: can u take a look at this http://pastebin.com/yM6CamHJ
10:30<bellows>o_0
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10:30<babilen>bellows: "dpkg -i irssi_0.8.15-1_i386.deb"
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10:30<titan8990>pythags12: never know if someone can solve your problem if you don't paste and ask
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10:30<bellows>babilen: is that rc1 though?
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10:31<babilen>bellows: rc1 ? Why?
10:31<pythags12>anyone heres my problem with the ati card...http://paste.debian.net/68174/
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10:31<babilen>bellows: It is the first version (-1) of the Debian package of the 0.8.15 irssi source if the -1 confused you
10:33<bellows>ah i thought 0.8.15-1 might be rc1 :p
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10:33<babilen>don't you stick out your tongue at me
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10:33*babilen waves his fist
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10:34<pythags12>http://paste.debian.net/68174/
10:34<babilen>shakes reather :-\
10:34<titan8990>pythags12: it says that xserver needs to be running for that. What are you trying to do?
10:34<pythags12>hi titan..
10:34<babilen>bellows: So, everything is working fine?
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10:35<pythags12>to control fans speed
10:35<pythags12>and the only cmd that works is this........aticonfig --list-adapters
10:36<pythags12>i cant access temperatures..at whe i try to list them...aticonfig --adapter=0 --od-gettemperature
10:36<titan8990>pythags12: do you have a gui running?
10:36<babilen>pythags12: Is your X server running?
10:36<pythags12>how do i check sorry guys..just a newbie to this..
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10:37<babilen>pythags12: Are you currently using the graphical interface (windown, places to point and click add, nice colours, ...) or are you on the console?
10:37-!-j0n4th4n [~j0n4th4n@186.88.174.114] has joined #debian
10:38<pythags12>konsole now
10:38<babilen>within KDE?
10:38<pythags12>yes
10:38<babilen>ok, then your X server is running
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10:39<pythags12>ive installed the latest drivers from ati..iam pretty sure i did wit smxi
10:39<titan8990>pythags12: might be the same issue of needing to run gksu aticonfig
10:39<pythags12>no root right
10:39<titan8990>pythags12: we don't support drivers from ati's website, only our own debian packaged ones
10:39<pythags12>just normal user
10:40<adb>pythags12, we don't support smxi too ..
10:40-!-cahoot [~radix@82.183.196.76] has joined #debian
10:40<adb>pythags12, try #smxi
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10:42<bellows>babilen: i forgot to ask.. is it ok to remove the sid deb-src line now?
10:42<bellows>or should it be left?
10:42<babilen>bellows: you can remove it, but it won't do any harm if you leave it
10:42<babilen>bellows: or just comment it
10:42<bellows>okay :)
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10:43<bellows>what is the command to change a user's real name?
10:43<bellows>i added her with adduser
10:43<pythags12>ok..thanks
10:43<nostmith>bellows, man usermod
10:43<ml|>pythags12: or get rid of smxi and what that did and do it the debian way
10:44<pythags12>this is all new to me..but it quick and application load so much faster
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10:44<bellows>nostmith: what -flag?
10:44<bellows>for real name
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10:47<nostmith>bellows, sorry, man chfn
10:48<nostmith>i was thinking at the -c flag, but might be difficult to use it
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10:49<madduck>if my sound driver loaded, alsamixer shows proper levels and nothing muted, no pulse/jack/whatever is loaded, no OSS modules are loaded, stuff plays alright, but there is no sound whatsoever… what else should I check?
10:49<madduck>(this is snd_hda_intel)
10:50<babilen>!alsa checklist
10:50<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.
10:51<pythags12>ok thanks again titan
10:51<pythags12>catch u ..
10:51<madduck>babilen: i tried all of that (though I don't see the point of (6) anyway).
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10:51<babilen>madduck: me neither
10:51<babilen>hang on
10:51<madduck>i am a member of the audio group, else i wouldn't be able to play at all, i.e. i'd get a permission error
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10:52<babilen>madduck: What does "cat /proc/asound/cards" give you?
10:53<goody>I use rt2570 driver (compiled by my self) to drive the wireless usb stick,but now the source code is no more maintained. Now I can't compile it successfully for 2.6.32-8 kernel, Is there any way to change the source code or makefiles to make it can be compiled right?
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10:53<madduck>babilen: http://slexy.org/view/s2jFuKZVLv
10:54<babilen>!tell goody about rt2570
10:54<madduck>it might be trying to play via pcspkr
10:54<babilen>madduck: Ok, I guess it is related to the card index
10:54<babilen>madduck: exactly
10:54<gsimmons>goody: Just use the in-tree rt2500usb driver. Even the rt2x00 project has dropped support of the rt2570 enhanced legacy driver.
10:54<madduck>except pcspkr is not even loaded as a module anymore
10:54<madduck>it's blacklisted
10:55<babilen>madduck: see http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA --> Troubleshooting
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10:56<babilen>madduck: I guess you've verified that it is not loaded with "lsmod|grep pcspkr", or?
10:56<babilen>madduck: But well, you should know that :)
10:57<titan8990>madduck: to you remember to logout and login after you added your user to the audio group?
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10:58<madduck>babilen: i did verify and I also unloaded/blacklisted snd_pspk now
10:58<madduck>titan8990: sure; the installer adds the group to the default user btw
10:58<mestanzilla>ola
10:58<mestanzilla>kl tal
10:58<mestanzilla>eeeeeeeeee
10:58<madduck>babilen: card 0 is now intel: http://slexy.org/view/s20CfnZtmC — but still no sound :(
10:58<mestanzilla>di
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10:58<babilen>madduck: gah, that should have worked ...
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10:59<titan8990>madduck: is this lenny?
10:59<madduck>no, sid
11:00<madduck>root cannot play either
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11:01<titan8990>snd_hda_intel should be really straightforward... bug maybe?
11:02<madduck>i don't like bugs! ;)
11:02<madduck>anyway, this has happened to me before on a Lenovo 3000
11:02<OdyX>madduck: dumb question, but is the mixer correctly set up ? (aka no mutes, et al)
11:03<madduck>OdyX: yeah. (and hi!)
11:03<madduck>i mean, i am sure if you sat down here now and tried it, you'd find the obvious error, but I can't see anything wrong.
11:03<babilen>madduck: Have you checked thinkwiki.org? They might have something about that. But I *never* had problems with sound on thinkpads (T60, X61 and T500)
11:03<madduck>babilen: thinkwiki has no information, that was my first stop
11:03<babilen>alright, just checking ...
11:03<titan8990>would a bug against snd-hda-intel actually be a bug against the kernel or one of the alsa packages?
11:03<madduck>OdyX: (i am in fribourg, so not too far. ;)
11:04<madduck>babilen: i appreciate it
11:04<madduck>titan8990: kernel
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11:04<babilen>ok, that wants some serious ALSA debuggin - Haven't done that in a while
11:05<madduck>i kinda doubt it's a bug
11:05<madduck>i think i am just being stupid
11:05<OdyX>madduck: nice :->
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11:05<babilen>haha, no, definitely not :)
11:06<madduck>babilen: i appreciate your optimism. ;)
11:06<babilen>madduck: "alsa force-reload" after you've changed the index?
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11:07<titan8990>well, if we are thinking simple, has the alsa-utils init script been started?
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11:07<babilen>madduck: Which card exactly? "lspci -nn|grep -ie audio"
11:08<madduck>http://slexy.org/view/s2ZM562TZn
11:08<babilen>,pciid 8086:3b56
11:08<judd>[8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56
11:09<madduck>wow, this is cool stuff
11:09<madduck>very useful
11:09<titan8990>yes, judd is very useful
11:09<madduck>force-reload didn't do anything
11:09<madduck>i might restart
11:09<babilen>madduck: Oh yeah - UDD + judd + themill work on the bot == heaven :)
11:11<MrclX>how can i scroll in the console? which keys?
11:11<madduck>shift-pageup
11:12<MrclX>ty
11:12<madduck>no alsa luck after reboot. :(
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11:15<babilen>madduck: https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=4934
11:15<OdyX>madduck: what does "speaker-test" do for you ?
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11:15<babilen>ah, forget that
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11:17<madduck>OdyX: http://slexy.org/view/s2iO54sxlV
11:18<madduck>OdyX: no sound whatsoever.
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11:18<babilen>madduck: Check the bug report and http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=alc269
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11:19<bremner_>I have a very strange issue with rxvt-unicode and suspending. When I resume the terminal font is trashed. I'm running current squeeze with xmonad as a window manager. Xterm doesn't seem to have this problem
11:19<babilen>madduck: You might want to discuss that with upstream - I have found several reports of people complaining about that card
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11:21<babilen>madduck: "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec" please :)
11:22<babilen>madduck: Ah, make that "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* |grep Codec"
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11:23<babilen>madduck: It might also be a good idea to reload the module and see if there is any output in dmesg (not sure if there is output if don't have debug enabled in the built)
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11:27<ml|>bremner_: I also use rxvt-unicode and have no issues, can you explain more a screenshot perhaps?
11:27<madduck>powertop says: An audio device is active 100.0% of the time:
11:27<madduck>hwC0D3 Intel G45 DEVIBX
11:27<madduck>strange
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11:29<babilen>madduck: Have you read the bug report? I think that it is applicable to your card. There are a couple of patches around and some might even be committed upstream. Just read that the card works (on a vaio however) with Ubuntu Lucid .. You might want to try a newer alsa release or even the git version. #alsa on freenode might be a good place, because I start to doubt that it is a Debian problem
11:30<madduck>codecs: http://slexy.org/view/s2CM8ML0a2, grepped: http://slexy.org/view/s2dz1bau8q
11:30<madduck>okay, thanks
11:30<babilen>hmm, that is interesting - that is a different codec from the cone mentioned in the bug reports ...
11:30<madduck>is lucid >> 2.6.33, which is what I am running?
11:31<bremner_>ml|: one case of the screen shot is quite boring because the terminal is simply blank; yet I can type blind and e.g. start another urxvt which is blind. The cursor also moves; it is like every character is mapped to blank. In the other case there are some little red blocks.
11:31<titan8990>madduck: vanilla or from experimental?
11:31<OdyX>huh… at first sight, I read that madduck was running Lucid. Had to read twice… :->
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11:31<madduck>titan8990: experimental
11:31<madduck>there is a lot of strangeness on this system… e.g. after a reboot:
11:31<madduck>root 12067 0.0 0.0 14572 764 ? D 17:27 0:00 mount /dev/mapper/fishbowl-srv /srv -t ext4 -o remount,rw,nosuid,nodev,usrquota,user_xattr,commit=0,relatime
11:32<babilen>madduck: No idea ... never used lucid. But it might be that they use a newer alsa version
11:32<ml|>bremner_: oh, maybe a font issue, tried a different font?
11:32<mib_qqq0yy>i have sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre and java-common installed but webpages are not recognizing my java installation. i'm running lenny and using the latest ff.
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11:32<mib_qqq0yy>these were installed with aptitude
11:32<titan8990>mib_qqq0yy: ff or iceweasel? what release are you running?
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11:33<mib_qqq0yy>ff, downloadef from mozilla.org. and i'm running lenny
11:33<babilen>mib_qqq0yy: I told you some hours ago to try sun-java6-plugin or icedtea6-plugin with iceweasel as packaged by Debian. Did that not work?
11:33<bremner_>ml|: yeah, it might even be a text colour thing. I'll have to play more with it. I now have one where all the text is white on a cream background.
11:34<mib_qqq0yy>sorry. i was afk.
11:34<babilen>!tell mib_qqq0yy about java plugin
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11:35<babilen>mib_qqq0yy: /msg dpkg java alternatives might also be interesting - also check "about:plugins" in *iceweasel* (firefox is unfortunately *not* supported in here)
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11:35<mib_qqq0yy>yeah. it looks like it's insisting on installing iceweasel
11:35<babilen>!tell mib_qqq0yy about equivs
11:35<babilen>if you really have to :-\
11:37<raccoon>!tell raccoon about LOOM
11:37<raccoon>dang :-/
11:37<ml|>bremner_: so you know I use ... URxvt*font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=12:antialias=true ; maybe give that a try?
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11:38<ml|>bremner_: thats with black bg and white fg
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11:45<Tom__>[5~[5~[5~/msg dpkg pastebin
11:45<Tom__>oops, I appear to be new to my client
11:45<babilen>hehe
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11:49<Tom__>I have a giant Imac with an Intel ICH7 SATA controller. Does anyone know if Debian 3.1 will install on it?
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11:51<babilen>Tom__: Why do you want to install sarge?
11:51<babilen>Tom__: And well -
11:51<babilen>try it
11:52<Tom__>I wish to install Sarge on one computer or another to refamiliarise myself with that release... and the Imac has a free partition
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11:53<Tom__>Yeah I guess I'd have to try it... that answers my question I think, thanks
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11:54<babilen>I doubt that your SATA controller will be supported though ..
11:55<babilen>Why don't you install lenny and sarge in a vm?
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11:56<babilen>And i never knew that there are so many computer-archeologists :)
11:56<babilen>sarge is ancient :)
11:56<Tom__>heh, well
11:56<babilen>soon you will try buzz :)
11:56<titan8990>babilen: I bought a comadore 128 about a month ago...
11:56<babilen>yay!!!
11:56<babilen>I never had one :-\
11:56<Tom__>I don't think I toldeverything, it's more like I'm interested in picking up where I left off
11:56<titan8990>babilen: I hadn't either :)
11:57<babilen>first was 386 SX25 and Amiga 500 :)
11:57<titan8990>Tom__: where you left off 5 years ago?
11:57<babilen>Tom__: What do you want to achieve?
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11:57<Tom__>Or... something. But yeah, Sarge in Qemu might do a lot of what I want, and I don't think that 3.1 will install on the Imac's SATA laptop drive either
11:57<Tom__>Yes, five years ago
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11:58<babilen>Why do think that you have to start with sarge, just to get into Debian again? Learn what is used *today*
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11:59<Tom__>But yeah, I am also interested in it from a somewhat archeological context
11:59<babilen>well, virtualbox/kvm/LXC/.. it is then ...
11:59<Tom__>I want to do that too, but only after I remember what it u sed to be like... the goal is to known the history so I can understand the context or something
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12:01<User_007>there is a way to start gnome faster after gdm?? like speedup it or load with boot?
12:01<babilen>!tell User_007 about repeat
12:01<babilen>User_007: Ask upstream
12:02<babilen>User_007: I doubt it though
12:02<User_007>babilen, i entered the channel now...
12:02<babilen>User_007: gnoe upstream is on irc.gnome.org
12:02<Lethalman>User_007, clear your home directory :)
12:03<Lethalman>fresh home directories are always the fastest
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12:04<OdyX>Lethalman: please don't ask people to wipe their data…
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12:05<User_007>Lethalman, please tell me more about it, but just wait a couple minutes
12:05<User_007><Away>
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12:05<babilen>Lethalman: really, don't do that!
12:05<Lethalman>lol
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12:06<Lethalman>ok so let's say: "try removing applets, other customizations, no appearance configuration, wipe out gnome sessions"...
12:07<OdyX>Lethalman: no.
12:07<OdyX>Lethalman: a better advice would be "you could try to start a new user session and see if it makes a difference"
12:08<Lethalman>OdyX, I hope if I say rm -rf / people doesn't do that
12:08<OdyX>Lethalman: stop that ! Not all people here necessarily know what "rm" means or does…
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12:09<OdyX>Lethalman: and what if it actually happened after you had told it jokingly ? Who'd be responsible ?
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12:10<Lethalman>OdyX, oh please
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12:11<Lethalman>OdyX, even an idiot knows "clear your home directory" doesn't mean wipe out all your data
12:11<babilen>Lethalman: And you might get banned for advise like that. Don't *ever* do that. Don't assume *any* knowledge - People might actually comply with your "advice" and fuck their system
12:11<Lethalman>babilen, I assumed _nothing_, just learn to read
12:11<babilen>s/advise/advice/
12:11<Lethalman>OdyX, so you'd better calm down instead of jumping over people
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12:12<OdyX>Lethalman: I'm just trying to remind you channel policy. End-of-topic for me.
12:13<Lethalman>OdyX, thanks, I wouldn't have said rm -rf /...
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12:13<babilen>madduck: Any progress?
12:13<OdyX>Lethalman: you told it twice already :->
12:14<Lethalman>OdyX, not to him... wasn't it end-of-topic for you?
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12:14<KrimZon>if i read some command on the internet i always try it at work first
12:14<babilen>!beer everyone
12:14*dpkg deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for everyone
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12:14<babilen>KrimZon: you might wonder - I had the bash fork-bomb in my sig once and got complains :-\
12:15<Tom__>Krimzon: You should understand what a command would do before you enter it... other than that you can try messing things up in an emulator
12:15<babilen>KrimZon: That tought me (and them) a lesson .. still unnecessary
12:17<nostmith>is there any up to date repo for compiz? compiz packages are quite outdated even in sid.
12:17<seanius>"quite outdated" what?
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12:18<nostmith>seanius, compiz and all related packages are old even in sid repos.
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12:19<babilen>madduck: "wget -O alsa-info.sh http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && bash ./alsa-info.sh" ← lots of information (especially alsa version might be interesting)
12:20<seanius>nostmith: they're about as old as what you'd find anywhere else unless you want to use the experimental compiz branch
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12:21<babilen>madduck: Good luck!
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12:28<nostmith>seanius, in http://packages.debian.org/experimental/allpackages there is nothing related to compiz. am i looking in the wrong place?
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12:33<miguel000>helllo everybody
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12:39<User_007>hey Lethalman what have you said aobut /home?
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12:40<miguel000>can i change my window manager without restarting x?
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12:41<dr|z3d>miguel000: sure.
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12:42<nostmith>miguel000, for example to change metacity with compiz one would just use: compiz --replace
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12:42<nostmith>but might depend on the window manager.
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12:43<nostmith>miguel000, for example to change metacity with compiz one would just use: compiz --replace
12:43<nostmith>but might depend on the window manager.
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12:43<miguel000>ah allright
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12:55<servernoob>anyone here use usermin?
12:55<bja>!ask
12:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:56<servernoob>I am trying to set up usermin, but cannot access it remotely
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12:56<servernoob>unless I ssh in first
12:56<miguel000>at which point is X started? im in runlevel 2 and there are no such scrips in my /rc.2d as far as i can see...
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12:57<Tom__>migeul000: X is started by gdm
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12:57<miguel000>ook
12:57<Tom__>miguel, I mean, sorry. If you're using gdm
12:57<miguel000>yeah, there is an gdm entry
12:57<servernoob>which defeats the purpose of installing a control panel type app for potential customers (fictional)
12:57<miguel000>however i thought im using xfce :)
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12:57<Tom__>Are you? You can start XFCE from GDM I assume
12:58<Tom__>So maybe that's what you're doing
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13:00<miguel000>yeah, i have definitely xfce
13:00<miguel000>however i want to switch to wmii now, so i will just decativate the gdm entry i guess
13:01<Tom__>I don't know what wmii is, but I don't think you're supposed to deactive gdm. Can't you just pick a different window manager from GDM?
13:01<miguel000>wmii is a windom manager i want to use
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13:02<Tom__>yeah I see, if it's installed you should be able to pick it from the GDM window manager menu... but yeah you can use something other than GDM if you want
13:02<miguel000>maybe, just do not know where
13:02<Tom__>okay hang on
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13:03<miguel000>/etc/X11/default-display-manager
13:03<miguel000>here maybe
13:04<yabir>hola fran
13:04<miguel000>but i wonder that the current entry is gdm and not xfce...
13:04<Francy>ola
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13:04<bja>!es-social Francy
13:04<dpkg>Francy: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:04<Tom__>gdm, xdm, and wdm are display managers, different from window managers
13:04<Francy>hello
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13:05<Tom__>to change the Debian system default window manager use update-alternatives --config x-window-manager or more practically x-session-manager
13:05<Francy>yabir
13:05<bja>Francy: de todas maneras sigue sin ser un canal social, si quieres un canal social en inglés esta #debian-offtopic
13:05<miguel000>Tom__, : so change both?
13:05<yabir>hello
13:05<yabir>contestas
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13:05<bja>!es-social yabir
13:05<dpkg>yabir: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:05<Francy>a k contesto?¿¿?
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13:06<yabir>espera
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13:06<Tom__>miguel: If you just want to use wmii, just make sure it's installed, restart gdm, and pick it from its window manager list... although I don't know how to tell you where that list iis yet
13:06<Francy>vale
13:06<bja>Francy: calla por favor, te va a aparcer una línea arriba del lado izquierdo, que dice bja por favor con el mouse teclea en ella
13:07<miguel000>Tom__, ehehe allright
13:07<yabir>bja que dices
13:07<Francy>se ve todo en ingles
13:07<Tom__>but yeah you can install the wdm window manager, which would be faster
13:07<bja>yabir: por favor contesta el pm
13:07<Tom__>I mean display manager
13:07<Francy>bjs
13:07<Francy>no?¿
13:08<yabir>fran es raro luloego te hab
13:08<miguel000>Tom__, i already have the manager, and it shows up as an alternative in x-window-managers
13:08<miguel000>so ill just siwtch that ,, and it must be ok
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13:09<yabir>fran vamos al gmail
13:09<Francy>vale
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13:10<miguel000>Tom__, ok ill reastart X and see if it worked!
13:10<miguel000>thank you
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13:11<Tom__>actually I don't think I did anything yet
13:11<servernoob>When I originally installed debian, I don't remember ever getting the option to set up retrieving sources from the server, instead of the install discs...I know how to remove the dvd's from the source list, but I don't know what sources to add for apt-get to retrieve the necessary files...anyone know what I should add?
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13:12<Tom__>Servernoob: To add DVDs to the sources.list use the apt-cdrom add command
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13:13<servernoob>I actually understand that...the problem I'm having is I want to remove them as a source, but need to add the appropriate lines to retrieve files from debian
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13:13<servernoob>I know how to remove them, I just don't know what to add
13:14<Tom__>right, okay. Uhm, do you have a preferred package manager front-end?
13:14<sney>deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main
13:14<servernoob>I work on my server remotely via ssh a lot, and hate when it asks me to put a disc in the computer
13:14<servernoob>ty
13:14<servernoob>that the only one I need?
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13:15<sney>yes, unless you need stuff out of contrib or non-free
13:15<bja>servernoob: you also need the security line
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13:15<sney>I thought the installer always adds volatile and security even if there's no network connection
13:15<bja>servernoob: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free
13:15<servernoob>i have these: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
13:15<servernoob>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib
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13:15<bja>Better safe than sorry
13:16<servernoob>deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib
13:16<servernoob>deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib
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13:16<sney>yep, so just add the one I told you and you're good to go.
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13:17<servernoob>sweet, thanks a lot
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13:21<yoshi>ubuntu RULZ
13:22<bja>yoshi: :)
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13:23<yoshi>this channel is full of crap
13:23<edrz>ugh
13:23<sney>oh, it must be sunday already
13:23<xente>how is that?
13:23<sney>guys, don't feed the troll
13:24<yoshi>how to fill a irc channel full of bots for dummies
13:24<yoshi>its my next book
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13:26<yoshi>how do i connect to freenode ?
13:26<nostmith> /server irc.freenode.net
13:26<paultag>yoshi, dude, this is not the place for Ubuntu
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13:26<paultag>yoshi, I'm an Ubuntu hacker, I'm even paultag at ubuntu in fact, but don't need it in here
13:27<yoshi>irc.freenode.net: Terminated
13:27<paultag>yoshi, this is #debian ;)
13:27<yoshi>what dont you need in here ?
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13:28<yoshi>Connections via mibbit are no longer supported on freenode. You may wish to consider using
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13:28<paultag>webchat.freenode.net Yoda-BZH
13:28<paultag>erm yoshi
13:28<paultag>sorry Yoda-BZH, ignore the ping
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13:29<edrz> /ignore is my friend.
13:29<paultag>edrz, gee, thanks for dumping him on us in freenode >:(
13:30<edrz>huh?
13:30<paultag>edrz, sorry. Ignore me. Long morning so far.
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13:30<edrz>paultag: ok
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13:31*edrz hands paultag more coffee (or $caffeine_delivery_vehicle_of_choice)
13:31<paultag>edrz, many thanks :)
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13:35<edrz>;)
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13:41<xente>has anyone else had problems with AWN and knows of a bug number...I don't know exactly how to word it in such a way that google will know what I am talking about
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13:42<paultag>xente, can you describe the bug?
13:42<paultag>xente, AWN has a few issues IIRC ;)
13:42<xente>paultag: below a certain line on my screen, I cannot click on anything
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13:43<paultag>Erm..
13:43<paultag>kthxbai, I guess
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13:43<paultag>Ah, there you are xente
13:43<xente>oops, got disconnected for a second
13:43<xente>paultag: have you had a similar problem?
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13:44<paultag>xente, no, it might be something with compositing, but I'm going through bug reports now
13:44<xente>oops...again
13:44<xente>ok great
13:44<paultag>xente, give me a sec
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13:45<paultag>xente, I don't see too much about what you are describing. Can you go through https://bugs.launchpad.net/awn and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=avant-window-navigator;dist=unstable and see if any of them match close enough?
13:45<paultag>xente, if not, I'd suggest filing a bug report on it
13:45<xente>paultag: I will, thanks for the help
13:45<paultag>xente, sure thing
13:46<mactheknife>hi, I goet lde running but how to get/install kde with synaptic?
13:47<paultag>xente, if you decide to file, check out http://wiki.awn-project.org/SubmittingBugReports and http://wiki.awn-project.org/FAQ
13:48<paultag>mactheknife, you should be able to install the kde package
13:48<xente>paultag: I will...thanks again for the links. that's exactly what I wanted to know
13:48<paultag>xente, sure thing, it's no trouble
13:48<paultag>mactheknife, perhaps this will help http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/gui.htm
13:48<sney>mactheknife: http://wiki.debian.org/KDE
13:48<paultag>even better, thanks sney
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13:49<servernoob>anyone know a good irc channel for apache questions?
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13:50<nostmith>#apache on freenode?
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13:51<mactheknife>hmmm...I find this for min. kde install... aptitude install kde-core xorg kdm
13:52<servernoob>ty
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13:53<mactheknife>should I run aptitude?
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13:54<sney>aptitude has better dependency resolution so if anything conflicts with what you already have installed it won't just give up
13:54<sney>it's a good idea for the big stuff like kde
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13:56<servernoob>is there a difference between aptitude and apt-get?
13:56<servernoob>prob a dumb question
13:56<sney>yeah, aptitude is a newer approach to the same system
13:56<sney>it's a little smarter.
13:56<sney>/msg dpkg why aptitude
13:57<bja> /msg dpkg why not aptitude
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13:58<sney>that too ^
13:58<ml|>only use aptitude or someone will come and get you ;)
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13:58<sney>it still doesn't have super cow powers, though. what's up with that?
13:59<ml|>hehe, it's in the works :)
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14:00<mactheknife>Found kde-core in synaptic, but its says.... kde-core:
14:00<mactheknife> Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed
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14:01<mactheknife>could not mark all packages for installation or upgrade
14:01<mactheknife>hmmm ?
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14:04<ml|>judd versions kdebase
14:04<judd>kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6; sid: 5:55; squeeze: 5:55; experimental: 5:58
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14:31<miguel000>do i need to download firefox manually? because i cant find any package providing it...
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14:32<sney>miguel000: in debian, firefox is called iceweasel.
14:32<miguel000>ah ok , and it is the same?
14:32<sney>yep, just a different logo.
14:32<miguel000>why they do that?
14:32<servernoob>im trying to find the apache module mod_suexec.c, but apt-get says it doesn't exist
14:33<miguel000>to confuse people :) ?
14:33<sney>!why iceweasel
14:33<dpkg>Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.
14:33<sney>licensing issues basically.
14:33<miguel000>allright
14:35<nostmith>servernoob, this will list all the packages that have apache in their name: aptitude search apache
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14:37<ml|>servernoob: you can use apt-file to find in what package that might be in if the above does not work; /msg dpkg apt-file
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14:58<bremner_>are there known problems with the e1000e module and kernel 2.6.32-3-amd64? I have events/1 take 100% of 1 core with 2.6.32-9 on current squeeze.
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14:59<bremner_>(oh, and it goes away if I rmmod e1000e)
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15:01<titan8990>seems to be quite a bit of problems with the recent debian kernels
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15:03<Tom__>miguel: Did you get that working?
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15:16<random>Can anyone help me get TS3 working on my computer? on start-up it says "Illegal instruction"?
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15:20<nostmith>is there a 'perfect' way to create a debian usb installer in windows?
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15:22<ml|>nostmith: unetbootin, nothing is perfect tho ;)
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15:27<flyeng4>Can anyone help me with this error: [02:27:04] ~$ smbclient -L localhost
15:27<flyeng4>Connection to localhost failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME)
15:28<denisdpc>Hi. Is there someone here from Brazil ?
15:28<Myon>flyeng4: can you ping localhost?
15:28<flyeng4>yes
15:28<sney>!br
15:28<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
15:29<Myon>well no idea then
15:29<Myon>smb can be such a bitch
15:30<sney>samba might not be listening on lo, try with your LAN ip
15:30<flyeng4>ip kinda works ..
15:30<flyeng4>[02:29:22] ~/tmp$ smbclient -L 127.0.1.1 -U william
15:30<flyeng4>Connection to 127.0.1.1 failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED)
15:30<flyeng4>n/m
15:30<flyeng4>it doen't either
15:30<sney>your LAN ip.
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15:31<sney>that is, whatever eth0/wlan0 has..
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15:31<flyeng4>[02:30:43] ~/tmp$ smbclient -L 10.201.128.4 -U william
15:31<flyeng4>Connection to 10.201.128.4 failed (Error NT_STATUS_CONNECTION_REFUSED)
15:31<sney>ok, so samba probably isn't even running
15:31<flyeng4>[02:30:54] ~/tmp$ ps -A | grep mb
15:31<flyeng4> 5858 ? 00:00:09 nmbd
15:31<flyeng4> 5860 ? 00:00:00 smbd
15:31<flyeng4> 5871 ? 00:00:00 smbd
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15:32<sney>flyeng4: hmm, does testparm check out?
15:33<flyeng4>What is the paster bot? This is my first time on irc and I just got kicked by debhelper ...
15:33<Myon>http://paste.debian.net/
15:33<titan8990>!paste
15:33<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
15:33<sney>yeah, it doesn't like it if you flood the channel with more than a few lines
15:33<flyeng4>ok
15:34<flyeng4>yeah testparm seems to check out fine. it complains about a couple shares having more than 12 chars but that's it
15:34<sney>does netstat -l show smbd listening?
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15:35<flyeng4>no but winbindd_privileged/pipe is
15:35<flyeng4>what ever that is
15:35<flyeng4>its the only thing that passed a grep samba filter
15:36<flyeng4>* or smb
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15:38<flyeng4>how do i go about getting smbd to listen?
15:39<sney>check over your smb.conf again, there's probably something that you need to uncomment/fix
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15:39<sney>when I do netstat -l on my working samba server, it shows a lot of netbios ports open. yours should look similar.
15:41<flyeng4>is netbios a protocol?
15:41<flyeng4>if so, i don't have any netbios ports listening
15:42<sney>yeah it'd just say 'netbios' or 'netbios-ns' etc
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15:42<sney>netbios is one of those core pieces of windows networking, it's what samba uses
15:42<Youchi>netbios like a name dns no ..?
15:42<Pryon>grep -i netbios /etc/services
15:43<random>Anyone use Teamspeak 3 here?
15:43<nostmith>Youchi, netbios is more like tcp/ip i think
15:43<flyeng4>looks like netbios-ns netbios-dgm and netbios-ssn show up
15:44<sney>nostmith: I think you're thinking of netbeui
15:44<Youchi>for netbios if i use a dns like maydns.local a netbios = maydns
15:44<flyeng4>but ssn is the only one that shows as listening with netstat -l
15:45<Youchi>but whit Samba i dont know
15:45<sney>flyeng4: find anything suspicious in your smb.conf?
15:45<Youchi>for netstat he show you the port oopen
15:46<nostmith>sney, forgot to say "like always, i might be wrong"; never used them tho, even back then when i was using windows.
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15:46<sney>yeah, netbeui was just included for backwards compatibility reasons, I've never seen a network that actually used it
15:47<sney>flyeng4: microsoft-ds (port 445) should also show in netstat -l when it works
15:47<flyeng4>maybe ... hosts allow = 127. 192.168.0.
15:47<flyeng4>we are on a 10. network
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15:47<flyeng4>also interfaces = 127.0.0.1/8 192.168.0.0/24
15:47<sney>looks like you're on the right track
15:48<flyeng4>if I changed 192.168.0.0 to 10.201.0.0 in those two lines ... would that be the correct way to do the same thing in 10. networking ?
15:48<Youchi>hye guys where is the problem with samba ...?
15:49<sney>flyeng4: should do it
15:49<sney>just try it and see, it won't get more broken
15:49<flyeng4>no doubt
15:50<sney>Youchi: what?
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15:51<flyeng4>didn't work ...
15:51<flyeng4>Is there somewhere I could put my smb.conf for you to take a peak?
15:51<Youchi>i dont understande what we talking about ..?
15:51<sney>http://paste.debian.net/
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15:51<bremner_>titan8990: ah, turns out there is a weird hardware bug in my thinkpad that shows up every 18 months or so. Power down, remove battery, and ethernet starts behaving again. I wish I remembered earlier.
15:52<sney>Youchi: his samba daemon is running but he's unable to connect to it. we are attempting to figure out why.
15:52<potter>hello
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15:52<flyeng4>ok i just pasted
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15:52<sney>you have to link it
15:53<flyeng4>http://paste.debian.net/68200
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15:53<sney>that's a lot of parameters.
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15:55<flyeng4>it was generated by gadmin-samba
15:55<sney>flyeng4: try commenting out the hosts allow line, and setting interfaces to just read 'lo eth0'
15:55<flyeng4>i was trying to do it by hand and ran into troubles ... then gadmin wrote over my config
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15:56<jim>Just installed new wireless N adapter and router. 9.10 refuses to allow me to save the password. it will save for 1 or 2 sessions then it locks again. is there some file I can manually enter the password, and save it? thenmake so nothing can re-write the file? tia.
15:56<sney>jim: this is not an ubuntu channel, please use #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
15:56<flyeng4>ok now i can atleast get prompted to logon
15:56<flyeng4>now I get session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
15:56<flyeng4>after typing my password
15:57<bremner_>ml|: I finally made a screenshot. http://picpaste.com/2010-04-09-165353_1024x768_scrot.png The top term was similarly mangled, but running aptitude seems to have fixed it. The second term was fixed by xmonad retiling.
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15:58<flyeng4>what would a minimal smb.conf look like?
15:58<sney>flyeng4: sounds like you're on the right track. I gotta head out but I think you can figure it out from here.
15:58<sney>there might be one at /etc/samba/smb.conf.example
15:58<flyeng4>i am only trying to share one folder with one person
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16:00<titan8990>bremner_: maybe there is a BIOS upgrade that will resolve the issue
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16:01<ml|>bremner_: I see, never had that happen here, but I use darcs xmonad
16:01<bremner_>titan8990: Maybe. I just upgraded ram from 2G to 4G and switched from i386 to amd64.
16:01<screenn>ok, weekend, happy time to work everywhere with my laptop without mouse sure
16:01<bremner_>I never had it before, running squeeze i386
16:01<ml|>bremner_: same here
16:01<screenn>how to configure touchpad tapping in latest sid with 2.6.32-3-686?
16:02<bremner_>ml|: same meaning you run i386?
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16:02<ml|>yes and testing
16:02<screenn>tapping has been disabled upstream in the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package?
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16:03<ml|>but I just noticed you are using amd64 now
16:03<titan8990>screenn: that had always been something configurable either via hal fdi files or xorg.conf
16:03<titan8990>also gsynaptics might be able to configure it, although i have not used it
16:03<flyeng4>i trimmed my smb.conf down, restarted samba, my updated smb.conf and response from smbclient -L are at http://paste.debian.net/68203/
16:03<flyeng4>Any thoughts?
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16:07<ml|>screenn: not sure what you need to do to get that working, but in sid rules need to be set in /etc/udev/rules.d/ ; using a thinkpad? check out thinkwiki.org
16:08<kop>I'm running Lenny. Does the stock kernel support "Advanced Format" drives/aka 4K sectors? If not does the kernel from bpo? Anything I need to know?
16:08<titan8990>kop: do you know what the kernel option is called?
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16:10<MrclX>hey ive 3 hdds: 1x 73gb & 2x1,5TB, on the 73gb ive choosen VMS, and the 2x 1,5gb are on the status "usa as physical volume RAID". than ive set an md device. now both are displayed as raid but i cant set the mointpoint/filesystem in the installer.
16:11<kop>MrclX: It's been a long time but IIRC you need to finish with the md setup and then it'll let you partition the raid device.
16:11<kop>titan8990: No. Sorry.
16:11<locklace>kop: http://www.osnews.com/story/22872/Linux_Not_Fully_Prepared_for_4096-Byte_Sector_Hard_Drives
16:12<MrclX>ive done that i think
16:12<MrclX>kop
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16:12<screenn>tapping enabling in gsynaptics doesn't works
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16:13<titan8990>screenn: are you sure its even using the synaptics driver? look in you Xorg.0.log
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16:13<screenn>seems I've fond something about my problem - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=50061
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16:14<kop>locklace: Thanks. I'm looking to put debian on a ps3. I suspect that the ps3 does the partitioning, like it or not, and may or may not properly align the partitions. :-P Any suggestions?
16:14<kop>MrclX: Sorry. I always poke it with a stick and eventually it does what I want.
16:15<Torsten_W>screenn, http://www.deelab.org/bash/2010/04/xorg-1-8-synaptics-touchpad-configuration/
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16:15<ml|>kop: iirc adb has done that, ask him when he is around
16:15<random>Anyone use Teamspeak 3?
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16:15<locklace>kop: don't see any reason why you can't change the partition layout of any hard disk. but if for some reason you can't, and it's not aligned, you're screwed
16:17<kop>locklace: AFIK the ps3 gives you 2 options for "3rd party OS" install. A 10/90% split of the disk, you choose which part is used for what. That means to me that it does the disk partitioning.
16:17<flyeng4>sney: I had to give my users a passowrd with smbpasswrd ... seems to be working now
16:17<flyeng4>thansk for talking me through it
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16:18<locklace>kop: some more info, http://lwn.net/Articles/377895/
16:19<kop>locklace: Thank you.
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16:19<random>is there a teamspeak 3 irc channel?
16:20<ml|>google may help ;)
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16:21<adb>kop, try #debian-ps3
16:21<User_>hi
16:22<co2_>hi
16:22<adb>kop, or better #cell
16:22<bja>kop: the little detail is that you are not mentioning that ps3 has a hypervisor that will not let you move things around to your liking
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16:23<User_>Does debian 64bit work well?
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16:24<bja>That is not part of the cell arquitechture or the hdd it is using. You would have to go to #fsony and ask there. But since they stoped the otheros feature on ps3 since the 1st of April i don't think they give a damn
16:24*bja is still pissed at sony
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16:24<Torsten_W>User_, why should it not?
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16:24<kop>bja: I'm not upgrading the firmware. Simple. And maybe someday somebody will have a fix.
16:25<Torsten_W>User_, btw, this was a senseless question
16:25<User_>Torsten_W I don't know is better 64bit or 32bit
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16:25<Torsten_W>User_, what is better, a mercedes or a porsche?
16:25<kop>I think I'll give in and get a smaller drive without 4k sectors.
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16:26<User_>ferrari
16:26<Youchi>Torsten_W: hahaha
16:26<ml|>User_: how much ram and how will you use the install for?
16:26<User_>4gb
16:26<bja>kop: I bought the ps3 because i had the oportunity of playing with a cell procesor and also have some fun with the console. They cost 40% less today and they decided that if you paid more for that you are no good.
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16:27<User_>rendering and internet
16:27<Torsten_W>User_, then use 64bit
16:27<bja>kop: ignore me i am too angry to talk anything coherent about sony or the ps3
16:27<ml|>User_: then I'd use amd64
16:27<User_>ok :) thanks
16:28<bja>User_: amd64 works great, if you are using only 4gb you can still take your pick between i386 or amd64
16:28<bja>if you are planning on increasing memory then amd64 is the way
16:28<ml|>User_: or i386 with bigmem kernel
16:28<ml|>but it's not the same
16:28<Youchi>I think intel is better
16:29<User_>ok, what's bigmem kernel?
16:29<bja>Youchi: please stick to the sw side of the equation or else go to #hardware
16:29<ml|>dpkg bigmem
16:29<dpkg>For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem.
16:29<User_>;) thanks
16:30<bja>ohh, I don't know why i had this idea that 4 GB was the hardlimit for the i386 kernel
16:31<ml|>it is if you don't use bigmem kernel
16:31<Tom__>because it used to be?
16:31<User_>are there some disadvantages to use 64bit
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16:32<Youchi>bja: ok but nothing better than intel
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16:32<bja>User_: Sometimes some packages do break on amd64 but that is seldom an isue. Some fixes take a little more to be updated
16:32<bja>!lart Youchi
16:32*dpkg --purges Youchi
16:32<User_>bja ok
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16:33<bja>User_: if you have 64bits then the way to go is indeed the amd64. And if you have amd processor, then kvm can really do wonders on your machine
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16:33<bja>Which i believe the Ferrari does
16:33<ml|>you also use a amd64 kernel on i386 userland, but again not the same as full amd64 install
16:33<User_>bja: yes T9400
16:34<User_>bja :P
16:34<ml|>User_: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/
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16:35<bja>User_: You ...... make me so envious
16:35*bja turns green out of envy
16:35*Tom__ looks up T9400 so he can be envious too
16:36<nostmith>anyone knows what generates this kind of error? http://img99.imageshack.us/i/dsci5304.jpg/
16:36<User_>bja: Why envious?
16:36<bja>I want one of those buaaaaa buaaaa
16:36<Tom__>Nostmith: Is your CPU overheating?
16:36<User_>bja: ah ok
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16:37<User_>bja: What do you have?
16:37<Tom__>Nostmith: Not really, no
16:38<bja>User_: Crapy intel core2 duo 64 bits 2Gb ram
16:38<nostmith>Tom__, that's when the sistem is booting. dunno if is overheating. is not mine.
16:38<ml|>bja: heh piii here :)
16:38<User_>bja: and isn't it good?
16:38<Tom__>Nostmith: I don't know what the problem is but there are some mentions of APIC errors at the top
16:39<bja>Virtualization technology on intel is a crap. At least when i had a smaller processor i knew what i was getting. Here they offer you one thing that it will not deliver what was promised
16:39<Tom__>actually I don't know if those are errors now, or just normal when panicking
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16:40<usuario>ai alguien???
16:40<bja>!es-social usuario
16:40<dpkg>usuario: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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16:41<bja>usuario: en la parte del lado izquierdo tienes una línea que dice bja por fovar con el pica con el boton izquierdo del raton ahí
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16:44<miguel000>can i use vim as my default manpager?
16:45<User_>ok now I try to dw the amd64, thanks for the advices
16:45<bja>not recomended
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16:45<titan8990>miguel000: no, because vim does not accept text in pipelines
16:45<bja>User_: good luck
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16:45<User_>bja: ;)
16:45<miguel000>is there any vim-like manpager?
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16:45<titan8990>miguel000: you can't really substitute any texted editor for a pager. I recommend "most" as the system's pager
16:45<bja>miguel000: less has the same keybindigs as vim
16:45<titan8990>miguel000: you can view manpages directly from emacs with M-x man <manpage>
16:46<miguel000>i have most right now, but i dont like the keybindings
16:46<bja>miguel000: if you decide on most you will have to tell it the keybindings you want
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16:46<miguel000>ok I didnt configure that, willl have a look thanks
16:46*titan8990 only ever uses the search which is the name as vim/less/more etc
16:46<bja>miguel000: vim .mostrc
16:47<bja>:)
16:47<titan8990>emacs ~/.mostrc
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16:47<miguel000>eheheh
16:47<titan8990>!start an editor war
16:47<dpkg>zile is known to cause ulcers!
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16:48<miguel000>I dont even have emacs ;)
16:48<bja>titan8990: We are talking about editors, not full blown OS
16:48<miguel000>bash: emacs : command not found
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16:49<solista_trumpet>samu-y-sus-colegas
16:49<ml|>miguel000: you can use vim as a pager /msg dpkg vimpager
16:49<miguel000>oook
16:49<titan8990>bja: don't hate because my editor can play tetris to break from coding :p
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16:49<ml|>heh
16:50<ml|>vimpager works great here as a pager and manpager :)
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16:51<bja>ml|: nifty little secrets you keep ;P
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16:51<ml|>heh, not kept justnot asked :)
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16:52<Rafaella>hello peeps
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16:53<Rafaella>can i have a some help on ps3 issues?
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16:54<Rafaella>i need to know if there is a way to get petit boot with wifi working nor debian netboot install via wifi?
16:54<bja>Rafaella: ask adb on debian-ps3 he is the one responsable for it to work
16:54<titan8990>bja: really?
16:55<ml|>I recommend to 'set textwidth=###' and 'set sidescroll=5' 'set listchars+=precedes:<,extends:>' ; or something similar in ~/.vimrc
16:55<bja>that is what the site says
16:55<titan8990>ah cool, didn't know adb did that kind of work
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16:55<bja>He is prety good at what he likes
16:56<bja>the full details are on the ps3 debian site
16:56<titan8990>I have one at home that has not got the "install other OS" update that removes the feature. I need to get around to trying that one day
16:56<ml|>bja: you are now ready to use vimpager :)
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16:57<titan8990>ml|: let me know when you come up with emacspager
16:57<bja>i need to boost the performance on a virtual mail server, then vimpager is on the way
16:57<ml|>titan8990: heh no chance :)
16:58<ml|>bja: I really like it, but it depends on how your .vimrc is setup tho
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16:59<prophetein>quick question, is there a channel where I can get help with something on squeeze?
17:00<titan8990>here possibly
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17:00<miguel000>ml|, : im using it alredy :)
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17:00<titan8990>prophetein: unless its something that you, as a squeeze user, should already know :)
17:00<ml|>bja: my modest .vimrc http://pastebin.com/2r3Gcb8Z
17:00<miguel000>just downloaded the script,and added a line to my .bashrc
17:00<ml|>miguel000: great, like it?
17:01<miguel000>yeah, its perfect , thx
17:01<ml|>np :)
17:01<random>Is Anyone able to help me with Teamspeak 3 ?
17:01<prophetein>titan8990: Sweet :D Im having problems with installing fglrx... I fully updated to squeeze, and found that fglrx is only in stable, so I added the stable repo, went to install it, and apt sayings it depends on xorg 7.1, but I believe I have 7.3 installed..
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17:02<prophetein>I was just thinking of force installing it, but I am not sure if that were to break anything..
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17:02<titan8990>prophetein: you can't install fglrx in squeeze currently
17:02<titan8990>prophetein: and you should not mix release like that
17:02<prophetein>titan8990: ive done it before in sid, just not with drivers..
17:03<titan8990>prophetein: IIRC, it was removed due to some xorg transition. Will have to check the BTS
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17:03<ml|>prophetein: if you are going to use stable, you can use sid repo as well; but not stable and anything else
17:03<titan8990>prophetein: sid is a moving target. sid 3 months ago is not the same sid it is today
17:03<ml|>use testing *
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17:04<prophetein>titan8990: Yeah I know this, Im running sid on my main system, and im dealing with testing on my laptop, which im trying to install this one..
17:04<ml|>prophetein: /msg dpkg tum and follow that exactly
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17:09<ml|>prophetein: I know nothing about ati, but if you create a testing/unstable mix[tum], you might be able to get that working, by grabbing what you need from sid [fglrx-driver]
17:09<prophetein>ml|: sweet guys :D thanks it worked.. if I break something I will be back, lol..
17:10<ml|>!congratulate prophetein
17:10<dpkg>Nice one prophetein, you did it!
17:10*prophetein laughs
17:11<prophetein>I kind of wanted to stay away from unstable a little bit for the fact its my system that I want to be basically simple, not a lot of things breaking..
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17:12<ml|>well, you are using testing
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17:13<prophetein>ml|: yeah but testing doesnt break as often as sid does..
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17:14<ml|>yes, but still a moving target
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17:15<prophetein>Sweet, apt came back with no errors, lets see if X restarts
17:15<ml|>good luck
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17:18<prophetein>sweet, it started :D thanks a lot..
17:19<prophetein>Compiz is just the only thing left giving me troubles, I should be able to deal with this..
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17:21<bremner_>q
17:21<bremner_>argh, sorry
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17:25<ml|>ls
17:26-!-mode/#debian [+l 424] by debhelper
17:26<ml|>oops
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17:39<miguel000>I hate it , that when i open a console, and start a couple of programms (like iceweasek or amarok, etc.) after closing all the programms dissapear, is there some way to detach them from the console??
17:39<bremner_>ml|: Same kind of problems suspending evilvte and xmobar. Xft and amd64 are in common.
17:40<bremner_>miguel000: Man nohup
17:40<ml|>bremner_: so you think it's an xmobar issue?
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17:41<bja>miguel000: echo $SHELL
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17:41<miguel000>bash
17:41<prophetein>miguel000: just make launchers with the commands for the programs
17:42<bja>do as ml| said
17:42<bremner_>ml|: Well more an xft issue if that makes sense
17:42<titan8990>miguel000: GNU screen is excellent for that kind of thing
17:43<miguel000>and : how can i see what programs i ran from WHICH console?
17:43<miguel000>because im now afraid of closing them
17:43<miguel000>:)
17:44<ml|>screen is great; but I think he wants something else like what bremner_ suggested
17:44<titan8990>miguel000: ps aux should display the tty, although i am not sure how to determine what pts a virtual terminal session is on
17:44<titan8990>ml|: oh, I misunderstood what he was saying...
17:44*titan8990 was thinking ssh sessions
17:45<ml|>titan8990: I thought the same at first
17:45<miguel000>yeah, nohup will solve that
17:45<ml|>bremner_: it could be a combo of both
17:45<titan8990>actually, my terminals well tell me if there is a running application in them when I close them
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17:45<ml|>bremner_: you use debian stuff for xmonad right?
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17:45<bremner_>Yes, but not xmobar
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17:46<ml|>from darcs?
17:47<bremner_>xmobar patched by hand cuz squeeze package is broken
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17:48<cloacker>hello
17:48<bremner_>So yeah, xmobar breakage could be my fault
17:48<titan8990>bremner_: are you a DD?
17:48<ml|>ah, maybe that's the cause, xft and xmobar play nice here from darcs; there was once an cpu issue with them before tho
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17:49<cloacker>how can i set up a second network card during installation?
17:49<bremner_>titan8990: No
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17:50<ml|>bremner_: this might come in handy in the future ... http://code.google.com/p/xmobar/
17:50<prophetein>ml|: I have a question really quick, would you know if apt runs a script to configure fglrx with Xorg?
17:50<titan8990>cloacker: AFAIK, you can't. possibly with preseeding, FAI, or KS but I have not seen an option even in expert mode that allows for that
17:50<ml|>prophetein: no idea
17:51<prophetein>ml|: Alright, thanks, glxinfo is giving me a segmentation fault
17:51<cloacker>titan8990: FAI, KS?
17:51<ml|>don't use ati here; good luck
17:51<titan8990>prophetein: no, you would need to run 'aticonfig --initial'
17:51<titan8990>prophetein: pretty sure its in the docs....
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17:52<titan8990>cloacker: full automatic installer, kickstart
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17:52<prophetein>titan8990: I thought apt would of ran that.. kind of makes sense, I added lines to my xorg config and it wont start, so I dont think modprobe was even ran..
17:52<ml|>bremner_: why not use darcs to build xmobar, to test
17:53<cloacker>titan8990: i installed ifconfig & ifup tools and i edited /etc/network/interfaces but ifup requires a script in /etc/network/run
17:53<titan8990>!fglrx one-liner
17:53<dpkg>(on lenny) Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then: "aptitude install module-assistant fglrx-control fglrx-driver module-assistant && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe -r radeon drm && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules". Create/edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and specify 'fglrx' for the driver in the Device section (man xorg.conf).
17:53<titan8990>prophetein: you follow steps similar to the aboce?
17:53<titan8990>s/aboce/above
17:53<bremner_>mll will try later
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17:53<ml|>s/darcs/from darcs/
17:53<titan8990>cloacker: in the installer?
17:54<cloacker>titan8990: i switched to a shell to do this
17:54<titan8990>cloacker: why do you need two nics for installation?
17:54<cloacker>titan8990: the 1. nic is connected to the internet to get the packatges, the 2. nic is connected to the local net for remote installation
17:54<ml|>bremner_: one last thing, iirc amphi uses xmobar from testing and he has no issues
17:55<cloacker>titan8990: So i need the 2. nic for remote network installation
17:55<prophetein>titan8990: I installed everything except module assistant, but im going to modprobe the modules then try and start x
17:55<ml|>bremner_: he is not around now, but will try to remember to ask him when I see him
17:55<titan8990>cloacker: you actually don't need any network connection for the netinst so long as you don't select a task
17:56<titan8990>prophetein: module-assistant is what builds the module...
17:56-!-mode/#debian [+l 418] by debhelper
17:56<cloacker>titan8990: but i need a connection to the repositories and i want do a remote network installation from my desktop computer
17:57<titan8990>cloacker: IMO, your just making it hard on yourself
17:57<prophetein>titan8990: I didnt get any errors it said the module built successfully
17:57<titan8990>get it installed without the internet connection, then do what you need to after installation
17:58<titan8990>prophetein: what did you build it with if not module-assistant?
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17:59<cloacker>titan8990: does the debian-504-i386-netinst.iso have everything without the need for internet connection to a repo?
17:59<titan8990>cloacker: yes, as long as you do not select a task (which you can do after the install)
17:59<prophetein>titan8990: apt had built the module with a script, like the driver package usually does.. didnt read the output I just know that it didnt fail..
18:00<titan8990>cloacker: however note that you will need to manually add the repos to /etc/apt/sources.list if you go that route (after install)
18:00<cloacker>titan8990: what do you exactly mean with selecting a task?
18:00<titan8990>prophetein: ... what version of debian are you running?
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18:00<cloacker>titan8990: the installer has a menu option to config the packet manager
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18:00<prophetein>titan8990: testing..
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18:01<titan8990>cloacker: tasks are groups of programs such as "desktop" and "standard system"
18:01<titan8990>prophetein: I don't even think fgrlrx is in testing
18:01<titan8990>, versions fglrx
18:01<judd>Sorry, no package named 'fglrx' was found.
18:01<cloacker>titan8990: should i skip this option?
18:01<titan8990>, versions fglrx-driver
18:01<judd>fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-2
18:01<titan8990>prophetein: where did you get the fglrx package?
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18:02<cloacker>titan8990: ok, but the packet manager configuration will ask me for a repo server and it will test to connect to it
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18:02<titan8990>cloacker: you don't need to skip it, just deselect everything
18:02<titan8990>cloacker: failure should not be fatal
18:03<cloacker>titan8990: Ok, and when this is all done? What comes next? Selecting the required packages with aptitude after first reboot?
18:03<prophetein>titan8990: from the sid repository.. im pretty sure ml| remembers about that..
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18:03<titan8990>cloacker: yes
18:04<cloacker>titan8990: Ok, i will try this. But the above problem with 2 nics should be fixed in the next debian release. Even slackware allows to configre n number of nics during installation.
18:04<titan8990>prophetein: I'm pretty sure it was removed for a reason. IIRC that reason was due to some kind of xorg transition where fglrx just plain doesn't work in squeeze currently. You should check the BTS for the exact details on this issue
18:04<titan8990>cloacker: I help out here a lot and I have never heard such a request
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18:05<cloacker>titan8990: i want to install debian on my router which is between the internet an my lan. And the router has 2 nics. This is a common situation.
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18:06<cloacker>titan8990: btw, it is also very common that routers don't have a monitor & keyboard connected to it. So remote installation is the way to go.
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18:08<ml|>afaik you want emdebian for router use not full blown debian
18:09<prophetein>titan8990: your right, it conflicts with xserver-xorg-core
18:11<cloacker>ml|: no, i use a real computer for my router. Not those embedded 50 € routers. In other words, i use an old Pentium 1 with 64 MB RAM, 2 PCI Nics and 1 GB SCSI harddrive. This is my router. And it worked fine for 12 years using slackware. But no i want to switch, because apt-get is a nice thing and it saves time for maintance.
18:11<ml|>prophetein: with the version in testing>
18:11<ml|>?
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18:11<prophetein>ml|: there is no version in testing, had to use the one with sid..
18:12<ml|>cloacker: ok, I didn't see you mentioned a computer
18:12<prophetein>ml|: which is the prerelease version, which doesnt work with xorg
18:12<ml|>< prophetein> titan8990: your right, it conflicts with xserver-xorg-core
18:12<ml|>so it does not work in sid either, is that what you are saying?
18:13<prophetein>yeah the bug report says it effects testing unstable and stable
18:13<ml|>ah, so you need to wait it out ;(
18:14<prophetein>ml|: or I can hope the opensource drivers run 3D.. its a Radeon 200M card, so, it should be supported (older card)
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18:15<ml|>you have no other choice it seems
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18:16<prophetein>ml|: yeah I kind of hope it works.. I know it supports 3D.. Dont want to name drop but I had it working before in Fedora
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18:16<ml|>good luck
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18:17<prophetein>ml|: yeah im going to need it -.-
18:17<titan8990>cloacker: without an existing gateway?
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18:18<titan8990>prophetein: I think the radeonhd drivers do 3d
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18:19<prophetein>titan8990: I thought radeonhd works with R5xx and up?
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18:19<prophetein>titan8990: I cannot get my 4870's to run 3D with radeonhd
18:19<titan8990>prophetein: no idea
18:21<titan8990>prophetein: fglrx still works in lenny
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18:22<ml|>prophetein: ask dpkg /msg dpkg ati and anything you see from that message in <> that you want info on; might help
18:22<prophetein>ml|: thanks..
18:22<prophetein>ml|: lol that bot is rather useful
18:23<ml|>dpkg: rocks
18:23<dpkg>Yer damned right...
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18:23<prophetein>ml|: I already have the open source driver installed according to apt, I just do not have it configured
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18:25<ml|>prophetein: I'd help, but I don't use ati like I said before, just trying to help
18:26<prophetein>ml|: thanks, your pointing me in the right directions.. finding more info..
18:26<ml|>np
18:27<chealer>I'm about to buy a Gateway NV5909H laptop. I see the Radeon Mobility HD 5650 has poor support. Is there anything else I should know?
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18:29<prophetein>chealer: Yeah, if its an ATI card, and you want to use it with Linux, be ready for a bunch of headache.. I am already dealing with problems XD
18:29<cloacker>titan8990: for my LAN my router is my gateway
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18:31<chealer>prophetein: which one do you have?
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18:33<prophetein>prophetein: Right now im dealing with an 200M express.. but my main system I am running two 4870's, and they have shotty 3D support, if you don't care about 3D support and can live with 2D support (no compiz) then you should be fine..
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18:33<prophetein>chealer: AMD does have a reputation for having bad support with Linux in the ATI cards
18:34<cnd>I sent an ITP bug against wnpp a few hours ago using reportbug, but I haven't got any ack back nor does it show up online yet
18:34<cnd>any ideas what could be wrong?
18:34<chealer>prophetein: right, I'll be forced not to care about 3D support initially.
18:34<chealer>yes, I'm aware they're pretty bad
18:36<prophetein>chealer: I heard Nvidia cards work pretty well under Linux.. if you dont care about eye candy, then you should be good to go..
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18:39<prophetein>ml|: if I run lsmod | grep radeon, I should be able to see if it were loaded right?
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18:42<ml|>prophetein: maybe, use grep -i ...
18:46<prophetein>ml|: lsmod is showing it is being loaded, and when I look through dmesg it is successfully being loaded there, and I load the driver in Xorg, but I still get a segmentation fault
18:47<ml|>no idea sorry
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18:49<sney>ati's drivers are more free, but nvidia's are more functional, I guess
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18:50<ml|>seems that way
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18:53<chealer>I'm currently having issues with an NVIDIA laptop. I think both ATI and NVIDIA are bad.
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18:55<prophetein>chealer: Intel usually works all the time, Nvidia has pretty good support.. and ATI is basically good luck..
18:55<sney>it's all fairly hacky though. X is a kludge.
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18:58<ml|>indeed
19:03<cloacker>is kernel 686 for pentium 2 and above only? So should i use kernel 486 for my pentium 1?
19:04<prophetein>cloacker: I think it should work.. google it..
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19:04<titan8990>cloacker: pentium pro and above
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19:06<cloacker>titan8990: ok, thx
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19:17<prophetein>ml|: Do you think if I purge fglrx that EVERYTHING will come out.. The guys on the radeon channel found what I didnt, fglrx is still half installed -.-
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19:20<ml|>prophetein: if you are not goig to use it, sure; but I don't know what you mean with 'everything will come out'?
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19:21<prophetein>im sorry, I meant basically everything that it left.. apparently Xorg was trying to load a module from it..
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19:23<ml|>should, if not just do it by hand afterwards; use aptitude -s purge ... to check that it will not remove extra stuff
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19:24<prophetein>ml|: I already did it and it solved my problem, I have direct rendering now :D
19:25<ml|>great :)
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19:28<marcosroriz>I wonder if you guys use 100% foss softwares :3
19:29<prophetein>ml|: XD after a few hours of work, I finally get my eyecandy to work, and this is why I love Linux, takes up my good time.. Thanks for helping me...
19:29<prophetein>titan8990: Thanks for giving me help aswell
19:29<ml|>because we can and want to support foss
19:30<ml|>prophetein: glad it's working for you, but I did nothing
19:30<ml|>!congratulate prophetein
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19:30<dpkg>Huzzah prophetein, you did it!
19:31<marcosroriz>I wish I had like a 100% foss hardware
19:31<marcosroriz>but my nvidia card sux :3
19:32<prophetein>ml|: You fed me ideas.. lol
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19:33<ml|>I have an old nvidia workstation card that works well with nv driver :)
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19:34<sney>ml|: quadro nvs?
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19:35<ml|>sney: yes
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19:35<sney>yep, no 3d to support. perfect nv material
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19:35<ml|>yes, 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV44 [Quadro NVS 285] [10de:0165] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
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19:36<sney>gonna upgrade my firewall/media server box today. single core 2.2 ghz is going away, hello dual core 2.4ghz
19:37<ml|>the nvidia using the debian way does work a bit better tho, but I chose to use nv
19:37<ml|>nvidia driver*
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19:40<marcosroriz>ml|, is because I have a nvidia 8700M Gt 512 gddr3
19:41<marcosroriz>if I use nv or noveau I would use like 50% of it
19:41<ml|>yes, I understand; use what you need/want
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19:42<marcosroriz>:3
19:42<marcosroriz>but I feel bad
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19:42<ml|>why should you?
19:43<sney>he feels pangs of guilt every time that giant NVIDIA splash comes up
19:43<ml|>hehe
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19:43<ml|>you can disable that btw
19:43<cloacker>what is the typical text console based way on debian to configure network devices on a fresh installation?
19:43<cloacker>editing interfaces or are there alternatives?
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19:44<sney>/etc/network/interfaces is the most straightforward
19:44<ml|>man interfaces
19:44<sney>wicd supposedly has a cli thing but I haven't used it
19:44<ml|>yes it does, but have used it either
19:44<cloacker>ml|: i know interfaces, i only wanted to know if there is some kind of networksetup programm
19:45<cloacker>just to be sure
19:45<ml|>dpkg networking
19:45<dpkg>For basic networking, "man interfaces", see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup . Also ask me about <interfaces>.
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19:46<adb>cloacker, for your router ? hands are most saveresources
19:46<cloacker>thx
19:46<cloacker>adb: jupp
19:46<cloacker>adb: so, yes for my router
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19:48<cloacker>is debian shipped with some basic iptables script?
19:48<sney>if you want easy use shorewall
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19:49<sney>simple syntax and it writes your iptables rules for you, but it's also pretty secure. I use shorewall on my firewall box because I'm lazy
19:49<ml|>is iptables installed by default?
19:49<cloacker>sney: i only think for haveing one simple one in the initial phase of configuring my router. i will create a better one later.
19:50<cloacker>ml|: yes, iptables is installed. Tested it.
19:50<cloacker>i think i'll create some drop rules and open http for first
19:50<cloacker>this should do it for the start
19:51<sney>have fun
19:51<cloacker>apt-get is using http, right?
19:51<sney>yep
19:51<cloacker>ok
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19:51<ml|>use aptitude! :)
19:52<cloacker>ok
19:52<ml|>I always hear good things about shorewall, sney had any issues with it?
19:52<sney>nope!
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19:53<ml|>cloacker: if interested /msg dpkg aptitude and why not aptitude
19:53<ml|>ok!
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19:54<adb>cloacker, shorewall-shell, dnsmask , dropbear may be useful too
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19:55<ml|>cloacker: /msg dpkg why aptitude
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19:55<adb>no , dnsmask , forget it
19:55<cloacker>when i have written my iptables script, where should i place it, so that it will be started after reboot?
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19:57<adb>found, .. dnsmasq
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20:04<retrospectacus>cloacker: crontab -e and put the line: @reboot /path/to/iptables-script.sh
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20:05<cloacker>isn't /etc/init.d/ a better place?
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20:07<valdyn>cloacker: both are bad
20:08<valdyn>cloacker: the proper place is /etc/network/if-up.d
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20:09<valdyn>ml|: shorewall is excellent for anyone with a little understanding about networking and anything more than very basic needs
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20:11<ml|>valdyn: I see, so you prefer iptables for other uses then?
20:11<valdyn>ml|: no, I dont
20:11<valdyn>ml|: but learning shorewall when you know iptables might make just using iptables easier for basic things
20:11<ml|>don't use iptables?
20:11<valdyn>ml|: not ever
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20:12<ml|>I see, I never used iptables either
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20:13<valdyn>ml|: shorewall makes complex things managable, it doesnt save you from learning networking
20:13<valdyn>ml|: theres tools better suited for someone who doesnt know networking
20:13<ml|>right
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20:14<ml|>valdyn: like?
20:15<valdyn>ml|: firestarter is most certainly the easiest tool i think
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20:16<valdyn>ml|: i dont know much else, theres quite a few i never used: fireflier,kmyfirewall,ipkungfu etc
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20:16<valdyn>ml|: apt-cache search firewall
20:16<eldowan>I'm trying to use tc (or tcng) to help limit the bandwidth to one host on my network. Specifically lower the priority of the host so all other traffic is allowed before this host has bandwidth to use. I've been trying for the pas few days, reading MAN pages, searching, testing, etc... But I can't seem to get it to work correctly. Can anyone lend a hand?
20:16<valdyn>eldowan: learn shorewall
20:17<valdyn>eldowan: but tbh, i never used tc raw
20:17<eldowan>valdyn: I'm currently using shorewall on the firewall (where I'm trying to implement tc) But it is a sarge install, and shorewall is rather old.
20:17<sney>sarge!?
20:17<valdyn>eldowan: thats crazy
20:17<ml|>valdyn: ok, I've heard of firestarter, but if I need to use any of that, will use shorewall at first; I was just wondering
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20:18<valdyn>eldowan: why sarge? there can be no good reason...
20:18<sney>he's going for the uptime record maybe
20:18<eldowan>I know, I know. I haven't had time to do an upgrade in some time. I'm looking to bring it up to current stable in the next few weeks, but this damn host is not making life easy.
20:18<valdyn>does sarge even have the token bucket filter?
20:19<eldowan>valdyn: I believe so, I know it supports htb and has iproute2
20:20<valdyn>Last updated: 7.12.2003
20:20<valdyn>( thats the tbh homepage, nice )
20:20<valdyn>*htb*
20:20<valdyn>eldowan: right, i see
20:20<ml|>I would make moving to stable first priority
20:20<amitz>I don't know the keyword to google it with little noise, any of you notice a bug where a deleted entry on /etc/apt/sources.list is still being included in apt-get update
20:20<amitz>?
20:21<eldowan>amitz: I've never noticed taht.
20:21<valdyn>amitz: that doesnt happen
20:21<ml|>amitz: checked bts?
20:21<valdyn>amitz: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* too
20:22<ml|>probably in that dir ^
20:22<eldowan>ml|: I'd like to make that a priority, but I've got a huge installation off this campus pending the beginning of next week. I'd like to allow the host to operate (Boss's Boss has an ipad) while I'm away and not have it bring the rest of the campus down. (only on a T1)
20:23<amitz>valdyn: ah, you're right, sorry. Didn't notice, probably new feature.
20:23<eldowan>valdyn: tbf sounds exactly what I need. This is what I was trying to remember earlier from an install a few years ago.
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20:25<valdyn>eldowan: limit total bandwidth to 90%, mark all packets from boss ip, give default priority lower ( numeric higher value ) to unmarked packets and boss higher priority ( lower numeric value )
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20:25<valdyn>eldowan: to bad i cant translate that into tc syntax =/
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20:26<cloacker>i never found iptables difficult
20:26<eldowan>valdyn: for what it's worth, I verified thay the tc in sarge does support tbf. Your instructions look like exactly what I've been trying to do the past few days, but I think I've been looking in the wrong place so far
20:26<valdyn>eldowan: maybe you can use the wondershaper script though
20:27<valdyn>eldowan: mind, the router needs extra rules if its not only a router..
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20:28<eldowan>valdyn: I've seen it, but hadn't really looked it through yet. Its the gateway / firewall
20:32<cloacker>are the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d/ automatically started?
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21:34<cloacker>dpkg gnome
21:34<dpkg>GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. http:/wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels
21:34<cloacker>dpkg broadcast
21:34<dpkg>cloacker: bugger all, i dunno
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21:34<ml|>cloacker: /msg dpkg selftell
21:34<cloacker>dpkg dpkg
21:34<dpkg>[dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
21:35<cloacker>ml| thx
21:35<ml|>np
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21:41<defi0n>hey, don't know about fuse here and need some help. when i am trying to mount a truecrypt volume, i get Error: fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied
21:42<defi0n>already chmod'ed and i am root
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21:45<defi0n>i installed fuse with apt-get, btw
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21:49<ml|>defi0n: /etc/init.d/fuse stop then start as root
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21:50<ml|>defi0n: also make sure you are in the fuse group
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21:55<miguel000>where can i set the programs that shall be autostart when gdm starts?
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21:56<babilen>miguel000: gdm? Or Gnome?
21:56<miguel000>gdm i use some other window manager
21:56<miguel000>but its started by gdm
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21:57<babilen>miguel000: Hmm, not sure. You typically do that in your .xsession (for fluxbox, xmonad, wmii, ...)
21:57<babilen>And then use "Use xinit script" within gdm
21:57<babilen>Not sure if there is another way
21:58<miguel000>this way sounds great
21:58<cloacker>how to configure new repositories without editing sources.list manually?
21:58<babilen>miguel000: The last line in that file typically read: "exec fluxbox" or so ... Which window manager do you use?
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21:59<miguel000>wmii
21:59<ml|>not sure, but for gdm you need to use ~/.gnomerc
21:59<miguel000>but i do not have ANY .xsession file in my home dir
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21:59<babilen>miguel000: You know that wmii is practically unmaintained? (*really* sad)
21:59<ml|>create it
22:00<miguel000>I didn't know that :(
22:00<sney>cloacker: what's wrong with editing sources.list? ... but if you have X you can use synaptig
22:00<sney>synaptic, that is
22:00<miguel000>so maybe its a bad choice to use it. I just installed it today because wanted to try this tiling thing
22:00<babilen>miguel000: anyway ... just read the documentation. wmii used some: "until wmii; do true done" or something like that
22:00<ml|>miguel000: use xmonad :)
22:01<babilen>miguel000: wmii is a great window manager, but the people behind mainly develop dwm these days. AFAIK only kris is working on wmii ...
22:01<babilen>miguel000: dwm, xmonad, awesome and i3 are alternatives. I am using xmonad (as is ml|)
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22:01<miguel000>its okay for me to change to another one
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22:02<cloacker>sney: i need a list of available repositorys. It was available during installation, but i could't configure the packet manager at this time. I don't have X.
22:02<miguel000>ill try the xmonad then too
22:02<babilen>miguel000: And you can just create the .xsession file ...
22:03<sney>cloacker: /msg dpkg mirrors
22:03<defi0n>ml|: fuse still refuses to mount the volume, perhaps i should try using a debian-based OS that comes with fuse?
22:03<babilen>miguel000: for xmonad: last line -> "exec xmonad" other lines "program &" (or any other fancy thing you want in there)
22:04<ml|>defi0n: so you tried what I suggested? is your user in the fuse group and logout the back in?
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22:04<miguel000>the problem is, that i installed some visual login screen, that also atumatically logs me in on startup, and this thing calls my default window manager, and it doesnt use the .xsession and .xinitrc im afraid
22:04<miguel000>I didnt figure out yet, what config files it depends on
22:05<defi0n>i didn't relogin but i will try that (btw i added root to group 'fuse', or should i try this using a different user?)
22:05<ml|>miguel000: figure that out or just remove that
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22:06<defi0n>yes no go
22:07<ml|>defi0n: that was meant for your user, adding to group not root
22:07<ml|>and logout back in?
22:07<defi0n>logout and back in yes (but with root)
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22:07<defi0n>i will try a user, however i just assumed i would have to be root to mount volumes
22:07<ml|>defi0n: did fuse start fine with /etc/init.d/... ?
22:08<defi0n>yeh
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22:08<styx_>morgen
22:08<ml|>and you still get that error?
22:08<User_007>guys, is it safe to install upstart on Squeeze AMD64?
22:08<defi0n>yes :/
22:09<defi0n>(trying with user)
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22:09<ml|>defi0n: well, if you did what I suggested I'm out of ideas
22:09<defi0n>heh yeah
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22:10<cloacker>sney: thx
22:10<defi0n>i will see how this goes and consider changing OS from debian-5.0-x86 to ubuntu, read something on the internet about it
22:11<ml|>do as you like but that should work in debian; as a last resort try a reboot
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22:13<defi0n>ok i got it to work with a user
22:13<defi0n>truecrypt won't accept admin password now but thats another issue
22:14<defi0n>thanks
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22:16<ml|>defi0n: usually don't want to use stuff as root
22:16<ml|>and remove that group from root you added before
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22:16<defi0n>right right
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22:26<defi0n>hey ml|
22:26<defi0n>after i got the correct password, i just got the same error again!
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22:27<ml|>can't help with that don't use truecrypt
22:27<defi0n>nah, i am talking about the fuse permission eroor
22:27<ml|>but fuse is working now I asume?
22:27<ml|>oh
22:27<defi0n>heheh, no unfortunatly
22:28<defi0n>googling
22:29<ml|>fuse works fine here, but like I said don't use truecrypt
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22:30<defi0n>i guess my linux kernel is not compiled with fuse support
22:31<ml|>was it self compiled?
22:31<defi0n>no, it is a "rented" server all via SSH and a secure control panel
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22:32<ml|>running debian?
22:32-!-Pythags [~pythags12@c122-108-77-120.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #debian
22:32<defi0n>right, 5.0 x86
22:33<ml|>wierd, they must use thier own stuff
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22:34<Pythags>hye all
22:34<sney>hi
22:35<Pythags>maybe this is not the channel to ask about ati cards but i was wondering if anyone could help me with it
22:35<Pythags>u guys have help me out before much appreciated
22:36<sney>just ask and maybe someone will know
22:36<ml|>defi0n: btw, grep -i fuse /boot/config-* too see if it's there
22:37<Pythags>never mind it workeddddddddd
22:37<Pythags>thx again..
22:37<ml|>!next
22:37<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
22:37<babilen>:)
22:37<Pythags>someone suggest i should run not as root by using gksudo
22:37<babilen>Pythags: self service?
22:38<babilen>rubber duck debugging?
22:38<ml|>heh
22:38<babilen>'someone'?
22:38<babilen>cross posting, eh?
22:39<Pythags>hey babilen
22:39<Pythags>thx for the help again. this channel is great..
22:39<ml|>should not login as root, but su works fine too and gksu
22:39<Pythags>some other channels oh man..they dont want to know
22:39<defi0n>no /boot/config dir, only /boot and it shows nothing with the command
22:40<Pythags>no i can overclock nice..and control fan speeds
22:40<babilen>Pythags: much appreciated :)
22:40<Pythags>yw
22:41<defi0n>i guess i will try rebooting to see effect
22:41<ml|>good luck
22:41<Pythags>what another program like wine...to execute exe files in debian
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22:41<ml|>defi0n: if it does not work then ask your provider
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22:42<defi0n>ok
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22:46<Pythags>how can i download and execute exe files which program is that
22:47<ml|>Pythags: /msg dpkg wine and not everything works in wine
22:47<Pythags>wine any other
22:47<ml|>in a vm also
22:48<Pythags>ok thx
22:48<ml|>np
22:48<sney>some exe installers are zipfiles in disguise too so you can use unzip on those
22:48<Pythags>ahah cool
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22:56<Pythags>brb
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22:58<LinuxLuis>hello channel
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23:06<miguel000>I wonder if there is some list of software that makes sense especially in a tiling window manager, becasue im for instance unsatisfied with my current irc client
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23:07<ml|>miguel000: what are you using?
23:07<miguel000>xchat
23:07<ml|>!irssi
23:07<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net.
23:07<ml|>try irssi
23:07<miguel000>great, great :)
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23:08<babilen>miguel000: You might also like bitlbee
23:08<ml|>also xmonad has a IM layout you can try
23:08<babilen>miguel000: instant messaging within your irc client .. basically a irc -> instant messaging gateway
23:09<babilen>yeah, the IM layout works well for pidgin+rest
23:11<miguel000>ah so i can connect to skype, icq etcetara
23:11<miguel000>thats nice
23:12<ml|>miguel000: http://haskell.org/haskellwiki/Image:Xmonad-layout-im.png
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23:13<miguel000>thats great too
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23:35<trroulouloiu>hi i "apt-get source" the source from gnome-terminal , i would like to import it into netbean to create a patch
23:36<trroulouloiu>does anybody know how to import it ?
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