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01:16<mib_h4prlw>can someone tell me real fast how to mount my cellphone in usb mode
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01:18<mib_h4prlw>i know someone knows lol
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01:59<olivia>hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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03:09<MeglaW_>ml|: its done parsec-2.1.0.1 and is doing network-2.2.1.5. now.. its gonna take a week. :)
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04:09<valdyn>!usb-storage
04:09<dpkg>Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount>
04:09<valdyn>mikegrb: ^^
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04:09<valdyn>ops, wrong target
04:12<mikegrb><3
04:13<babilen>
04:13<babilen>good morning everyone :)
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04:21<maximus>hey ppl i need to connect 2 computers, one is running ubuntu and the other windows xp. what would be the values for ip address and gateway on both computers
04:21<MeglaW_>same
04:21<dominique>hi! how do I prevent gdm from auto starting after system boot?
04:23<babilen>maximus: How exactly is that related to Debian? You might want to ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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04:24<maximus>babilen: its neither related to ubuntu :D just need to know the values for those 2 things
04:24<maximus>anyways thanks
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04:26<slush>maximus: to connect to each other you dont need a gateway
04:27<thermo44>Hello guys, yesterday I've download Debian Lenny DVD in 64bits, But i have an error with the boot loader, cause it let me install Debian but at the end when I reboot, just appear a grub rescue message... I try 3 times, after that I install redhat and it works... Ohhh! And try with Debian DVD to rescue and to put the boot loader but same thing.. Crashes...
04:27<slush>maximus: make sure you use a private ip address (like 192.168.x.x) and the appropiate netmask
04:28<thermo44>ml|: Are you alive?
04:29<babilen>maximus: And you can basically pick whatever IP you you want given that it is in one of the private ranges - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network
04:29<babilen>thermo44: unlikely
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04:29<thermo44>hello babilen :-)
04:29<babilen>good morning
04:30<babilen>!fixmbr
04:30<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
04:30<babilen>followed that ^^^
04:30<maximus>slush: yea thats the problm, i did winxp with ip 192.168.1.15 gateway:192.18.1.16 and linux ip:192.168.1.16 and gateway:x.x.x.15
04:30<maximus>but didnt work
04:31<babilen>how are those computers connected? How are they connected to the internet?
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04:32<slush>maximus: you can't make them to be the gateway of the other, as I said, you dont need a gateway
04:32<maximus>@babilen ye my laptop running ubuntu connected to internet via wifi router and a wired connection between laptop and a machine running winxp
04:32<maximus>@slush so wat would be the values for gateway then
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04:33<babilen>maximus: And, well, this is still not the correct channel IMHO - try ##networking on irc.freenode.net
04:33<maximus>@slueshjust blank?
04:33<babilen>maximus: The gateway is quite likely the IP of your router
04:33<babilen>if you want to connect to the internet
04:33<maximus>yea tat would eb the best place, thanks ppl
04:33<babilen>nuff said - that has nothing to do with Debian
04:33<maximus>lol ye ye
04:34<babilen>if you want support in here you should install Debian
04:34<maximus>i use to be here when using debian and i do get quick replies so landed here on the first place
04:34<maximus>:D
04:34<valdyn>itunes + avahi = network automagic
04:34<valdyn>where itunes installs bonjour or somesuch
04:34<maximus>anyways thanks fellaws
04:34<thermo44>babilen: ohh, Ok, I've read what you said, but understood have of it, I'm newbie, and yes it would be Dual Boot, XP32bits...
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04:35<babilen>thermo44: Make sure that you have os-prober installed - grub should configure itself automagically. Which error did you get?
04:35<babilen>thermo44: And you followed the "fixmbr" instruction already, but it failed?
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04:38<thermo44>At the very end, it says successfully installed, and reboot, but when i reboot only appears grub error, and it says something like: Hello grub rescue, but i don't know what commands to write.... And about fixmbr, don't used cause if i put another distro like redhat, just detects XP, make the entry and I have windows back again, Of course i don't want red Hat,
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04:39<thermo44>I want Debian, but i'm very new with console commands, i've print a list of them,
04:39<valdyn>!refcard
04:39<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands (quite useful for someone new to Debian) can be found at http://xinocat.com/refcard/ . Packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. Also ask me about <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
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04:39<thermo44>thanks valdyn
04:40<valdyn>thermo44: booting is very fragile...basically grub cant always figure your correct boot disk
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04:43<thermo44>I have 3 sata and 1 Ide, maybe the IDE one it's doing something wrong, but it's empty... So the first Sata is the one used for Os, divided in 2, 1 for XP, and other partition with partitions for Linux, a clasic one...
04:43<valdyn>thermo44: the only safe way for you is probably to unplug all disks but the one to install debian on and do the install
04:44<valdyn>thermo44: or alternatively leave the windows disk plugged in so debian can detect it
04:44<thermo44>No matters if it is a partition?
04:44<valdyn>thermo44: im talking about disks right now, not partitions...
04:44<valdyn>thermo44: or learn to fix your bios and grubs device.map manually
04:45<valdyn>thermo44: ( thats what i have to do for windows each time because windows doesnt even let me fix it for all i know )
04:46<thermo44>do you have a link about grub device mapping?
04:46<valdyn>thermo44: you dont need a link
04:46<valdyn>thermo44: you can read that file and adjust it manually easily
04:46<valdyn>thermo44: it only contains lines like: "(hd0) /dev/sda"
04:47<valdyn>thermo44: or "(hd0) /dev/sdb"
04:47<valdyn>thermo44: it maps linux disks to bios disks order
04:47<valdyn>thermo44: if your linux disk is not ordered in by the bios then linux cant boot
04:48<valdyn>thermo44: or if for whatever reason the mapping goes wrong then grub cant load its 2nd stage file
04:48<thermo44>how can i enter to the file with the debian DVD? cause it's lenny dvd, not live dvd...The disks are in order, i checked the Bios, and the first one is the one with XP and parttion with Debian
04:48<valdyn>thermo44: so go into the bios and look at your harddisk boot order and match it to your actual disks
04:49<valdyn>thermo44: i think you can, but im not really familiar with the installer
04:50<valdyn>thermo44: chances are you can boot already by unplugging the ide disk or changing bios boot order
04:50<valdyn>thermo44: which linux disk is debian on?
04:51<thermo44>When i try to install again the boot loader it detects Windows, even ask me, would you like to add this Os to the list of Os available? and I say Yes, and then reboots
04:51<valdyn>thermo44: right, thats fine, but its not relevant to your issue at hand
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04:51<v1rus>ne.org
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04:51<thermo44>Debian is in the same disk that is Windows, just a parttion in the same disk
04:52<valdyn>thermo44: yea, but which disk? sda?
04:52<thermo44>ohh yes, sda,
04:52<valdyn>thermo44: can you unplug the ide disk temporarily?
04:52<thermo44>yes
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04:53<valdyn>thermo44: id do that and try booting
04:54<valdyn>thermo44: just a wild guess though
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04:54<valdyn>!chroot
04:54<thermo44>gonna unplug it, and see what happens, the bad side, is that if doesnt works i'm gonna be again with no Os to boot from... Well Gonna comeback on a live CD and try to make changes from there, and connected to this Chat
04:54<dpkg>a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system
04:54<valdyn>thermo44: this is how to fix it live ^^
04:54<thermo44>nice
04:54<valdyn>thermo44: complex for a newbie though
04:55<valdyn>thermo44: if you cant boot with ide plugged off i would probably reinstall with ide plugged off
04:56<thermo44>Ok, nice suggestion, gonna do that, and... Can I start a console from the DVD? and maybe a xchat alive?
04:57<thermo44>so i can be here telling what really is going on
04:57<valdyn>thermo44: i dont think so, theres only basic tools available
04:57<valdyn>thermo44: you would need a proper live cd
04:58<thermo44>but the changes about the boot loader it's possible
05:00<thermo44>valdyn: And other thing, it's a complete DVD and doesn't ask me what interface I want, I would like Kde, but it seems that only has Gnome...
05:00<valdyn>thermo44: you dont get a choice in the installer
05:00<valdyn>thermo44: you can "aptitude install kde" later
05:00<thermo44>ohhh!! Ok
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05:01<valdyn>thermo44: if its on the dvd or not is irrelevant if you have net, but i think its on it
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05:01<valdyn>!cd contents
05:01<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
05:02<thermo44>I have net, but wireless, and doesn't detect USB wireless adapters, so no internet at first
05:02<thermo44>valdyn: That's nice
05:03<thermo44>gonna try this and see what happens...
05:04<thermo44>valdyn: thank you very much!
05:04<babilen>thermo44: There are special CD1 images that ship with KDE (or XFCE, ...)
05:05<thermo44>I've choose the one that is for amd64bits, and there's only 6 dvd's
05:05<babilen>You downloaded 6 DVDs?
05:05<thermo44>doesn't say nothing about.... No only the first one
05:06<babilen>No, I'm talking about CD1 images - You don't need the rest. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-504-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso
05:06<babilen>If you choose the "Desktop" task with that one it will install KDE
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05:07<babilen>But you can just as easily install it later - but it might be easier for you to just use that image in the beginning
05:07<thermo44>ohh, don't know why i've download the dvd... too big.. Ok downloading this one right now
05:08<babilen>I guess that KDE is on DVD1 too - not sure which desktop will be installed if you choose the desktop task though .. And you can *always* install things later if you have network connection or the CDs/DVDs
05:08<babilen>!install kde
05:08<dpkg>For KDE3, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at the boot prompt of any of the installers. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall. See also <kde version> <install kde4>
05:10<babilen>that's basically it - you can just install a minimal system with the netinst image, don't choose the desktop task, log into console and "aptitude install kde-core" ..
05:10<thermo44>dpkg: thank you
05:10<dpkg>no worries, thermo44
05:10<babilen>!bot
05:10<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
05:10<thermo44>lol
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05:11<thermo44>nice!! But i'm not going to be able to enter the internet cause i have only wireless, and don't have the AP on my home, so it's going to be after install
05:12<thermo44>babilen: thank you man-woman...
05:12<thermo44>I'm gonna try to install again and boot.... See you in a bit....
05:13<babilen>hehe (man that is)
05:14<thermo44>Thank you man!! have to say, really nice community... Going to read the link about my boot problem....
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05:15<babilen>thermo44: Just follow valdyn's advice - and come back from a live CD (knoppix, grml, ...) if you run into problems again. And welcome to Debian :)
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05:16<babilen>guess i should mention Debian Live as well :)
05:17<thermo44>I don't have it, but i'm gonna boot from one that my wireless works, so if i need something of the web, i can install wherever may need
05:17<thermo44>i'm scared.... hihihi, but gonna try again
05:17<babilen>!comfort thermo44
05:17<dpkg>There, there, thermo44. It's OK. I'm here for you.
05:18<thermo44>:-)
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05:49<kempy>hey
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06:15<manas>whats the server for ubuntu lucid
06:15<manas>??
06:15<locklace>ask in #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net
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06:18<styxcc>good morning
06:19<manas>hey
06:19<manas>whats the server for ubuntu lucid
06:19<manas>??
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06:20<babilen>!ubuntu
06:20<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
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06:47<laszlo>hi all
06:48<laszlo>is there someone who expierienced problems with LVM and LUKS? I installed new system and had one LVM+LUKS partition and now cryptestup Open says that's not valid LUKS partition
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07:11<crow407>HELLO
07:12<crow407>anyone willing to teach me how to hack?
07:12<azeem_>crow407: please ask elsewhere, this is a support channel
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07:39<asido>hello
07:40<asido>have a simple question. does debian-504-i386-kde-CD-1.iso is enough for installing the os?
07:40<will>hello
07:40<will>yes
07:40<asido>ok, thanks ;)
07:40<will>the 1st iso is the essential build
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07:42<will>does anyone know a package to automount external hdd?
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07:43<locklace>will: man fstab
07:43<will>lol
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07:43<babilen>that really depends on the desktop environment or window manager you are going to use. as you plan to run kde (i assume that you do because you selected that particular image) it should be handled by KDE
07:43<cahoot>gnome would automount by default too
07:43<babilen>sure
07:44<babilen>!tell will about automount
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07:44<will>i'm looking for a package to automount an hdd in /media/hdd
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07:44<will>with no link to the desktop environment
07:44<babilen>will: there are a couple of stand alone solutions as well - /msg dpkg <factoid> to learn about them (removethe < > )
07:45<babilen>will: check halevt, ivman and usb mount
07:46<will>actually i read the manual of udev
07:46<babilen>will: But that might interfere with whatever spells KDE is casting. They are rather meant for lightweight window managers that don't provide their own functionality
07:46<will>i think i can write a rule for that
07:46<babilen>will: check halevt in that case
07:46<babilen>will: that is based on hal though ...
07:46<will>but i'm wondering if there's a tool already built for that
07:46<babilen>forgot that :-\ - sorry
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07:47<babilen>will: http://wiki.debian.org/AutoFs
07:48<will>autofs doesn't work for external hdd
07:48<will>i already tried it
07:48<weasel>why wouldn't it
07:49<will>it seems to be built for usb hdd or some obvious removable media
07:49<babilen>what kind of external hdd are we talking about?
07:49<will>my sata hdd is enclosed in a eSATA box
07:50<will>so the system see it as an normal hdd
07:50<weasel>kids these days...
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07:51<will>what's wrong with that?
07:51<weasel>(hint: autofs is decades older than USB. or the idea of external HDDs as you think of them)
07:51<saleem>hi
07:51<saleem>im facing an issue with upgrade as shown here
07:51<saleem>http://pastebin.com/qqD6z9nz
07:51<saleem>any idea how to fix it?
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07:53<will>saleem: apt-get clean?
07:53<weasel>that won't help at all
07:53<saleem>i can try that
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07:54<saleem>weasel is right. this doesnt help
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07:55<will>saleem: apt-get --purge cpio && apt-get install cpio?
07:55<saleem>locale/ga doesnt exit
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07:56<gsimmons>saleem: Why are you referencing lenny-proposed-updates? (cpio 2.9-13lenny1)
07:56<weasel>where does that package come from anyway?
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07:57<saleem>gsimmons : i used http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ to generate repos,
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07:57<saleem>think i need to get proposed removed then
07:58<weasel>still does not explain why the package fails for you tho
07:58<weasel>is your /usr full?
07:58<saleem>i am not sure why
07:58<AlVaRiToOo>ola
07:58<AlVaRiToOo>ola
07:58<AlVaRiToOo>ola
07:59<AlVaRiToOo>or hello!
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07:59<will>so for my eSATA hdd what is the best solution people?
07:59<saleem>yes it is full
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07:59<@weasel>saleem: well, you should probably fix that then ;)
07:59<saleem>it has all locales directories except /ga
08:00<babilen>AlVaRiToOo: Stop /msg me for the second time in the last 24h - You have been silenced for a reason
08:00<@weasel>make sure /usr has free space. then the package should install.
08:00<babilen>AlVaRiToOo: Stop it
08:01<@weasel>babilen: /ignore AlVaRiToOo
08:01<babilen>weasel: sure
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08:01<saleem>weasel : is there any space limit for /usr that i should keep ?
08:02<saleem>its 1.7 GB
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08:03<@weasel>that's a bit small for a desktop system these days
08:03<@weasel>plenty for a server usually
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08:04<saleem>i need bigger space to install lenny....used 12 gb for installation
08:04<saleem>may be bleachbit will help to make some space
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08:11<laszlo>is there someone who expierienced problems with LVM and LUKS? I installed new system and had one LVM+LUKS partition and now cryptestup Open says that's not valid LUKS partition
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08:17<will>weasel: in fact autofs should work, i was thinking about pmount
08:17<babilen>will: Have you read the link i gave you?
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08:19<will>babilen: i am ^^
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08:23<babilen>will: Do you remove the drive frequently? Or do you just want to mount the external hdd?
08:23<martinj>For a few weeks I am unable to get kernel headers for '2.6.32-trunk-686' which boots by default. So I guess this is not a repository problem. Where can I get the headers?
08:23<will>babilen: should i configure autofs for every single external drive?
08:23<will>babilen: I remove the drive not very often but I often turn it off
08:23<martinj>(so far my solution was to boot the other option '2.6.32-3-686' but it seems weird I have to do something like that
08:24<babilen>will: You might want to explain your goals first - you could also use something like thunar-volman or whatever to do the automounting
08:24<babilen>martinj: It is a bug in grub-common
08:24<babilen>!dbugs 568160
08:24<dpkg>#568160:N[grub-common] grub-common: wrongly sorts 2.6.32-trunk ahead of 2.6.32-1 (patch); Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:27:01 UTC []
08:24<will>babilen: Is there any plug&play way of aumounting an external hdd?
08:25<martinj>babilen: thanks!
08:25<babilen>martinj: The easiest way is to boot the -3- kernel by selecting it manually and remove the -trunk- package
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08:25<babilen>will: yes, KDE and Gnome will handle it for you, thunar-volman or ivman as well. You can follow the autofs way ... There are many alternatives
08:26<babilen>as will halevt (but that uses HAL and not udev) ...
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08:26<will>babilen: I don't like the idea to depend on the desktop environment
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08:27<babilen>will: Then use thunar-volman, ivman, halevt or "nautilus --no-desktop --no-default-window"
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08:28<will>babilen: how the system automount the cdrom drive in /media/cdromN?
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08:28<babilen>will: Which window manager or desktop environment do you actually use?
08:29<will>babilen: Nautilus in Gnome
08:29<will>babilen: but i would like to be able to use it without the environment
08:30<babilen>will: nautilus is handling the automounting for you in recent nautilus version. before that it was handled by gnome-volume-manager
08:31<babilen>Well, I mentioned your options ...
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08:33<will>babilen: using nautilus isn't an option I would consider but I will get an eye on the others
08:33<babilen>Do you actually change the drives frequently?
08:34<will>not really but I would like to be able to in an easy way
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08:35<babilen>pick your poison then :)
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08:38<will>In read in the udev man that it can run a command in a rule
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08:38<babilen>yes
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08:38<will>why not just running a little script instead of using autofs or so?
08:39<babilen>you can do all that ... I read something about it on the gentoo wiki a while ago ..
08:39<babilen>you could even write your own program in C if you want to ...
08:40<babilen>http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Autofs --> "UDEV"
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08:40<babilen>It really depends on your situation, your needs and your taste
08:41<will>indeed
08:41<will>i think udev is more "standard" than autofs
08:41<will>and configuring autofs could me anoying
08:42<babilen>autofs has been in use for many years ..
08:42<will>but still not default
08:43<babilen>Why don't you let gnome manage your removable drives and once you want to change your DE/WM you take a look at *the most appropriate* solution for that. Many people just use halevt, thunar-volman or ivman ... If you want to write udev rules and custom scripts (in the style of ivman) you can do that as well ...
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08:43<babilen>will: There are no defaults
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08:49<will>you may be right, the practice is tempting
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09:06<thrice>hi; I'm having trouble booting the usb installer. I grabbed the boot.img.gz, zcat'd it to a usb stick, copied a net-install.iso over, and rebooted. I get "Boot Error" on my thinkpad, and nothing more
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09:09<will>thrice: you copied the iso on the usb stick as a regular file?
09:10<thrice>yep
09:10<thrice>after zcat'ing the boot.img.gz to the stick
09:10<will>the BIOS support booting on any iso file on a usb stick?
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09:11<thrice>yes, I've confirmed with another distro's usb installer that the disk and laptop are setup properly
09:11<babilen>thrice: you might have to make the stick bootable - follow the last instructions in the installation guide
09:11<will>I though the BIOS need a boot loader at least
09:11<thrice>I tried running syslinux on the device, without luck too. this part of it is voodoo to me :>
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09:12<babilen>thrice: I'm talking about 4.3.3
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09:16<thrice>oh, the "instal-mbr" ?
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09:18<thrice>I'll try that. I was hoping there'd be a netinstall.img for squeeze some place, but no such luck
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09:18<bremner_>thrice: it exists.
09:19<bremner_>I had to dig for it too.
09:19<thrice>I don't suppose you still have its location? :)
09:20<babilen>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
09:20<bremner_>umm, isn't right on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
09:21<thrice>the only ones I could find on there were the boot.img.gz, which gives me the boot error
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09:21<Maulkin>It's linked right off there
09:21<bremner_>thrice: you need both for a USB install
09:22<bremner_>oh, I see. netinstall.img. not .iso
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09:22<babilen>netinstall.img ??
09:22<thrice>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/usb-hdd/ something like those maybe
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09:22<babilen>thrice: That is not how it works - you can copy *any* iso that matched the boot.img.gz architecture and version to the stick
09:23<babilen>thrice: If the *development* installer does not work for you it could be broken. Use the stable one if you expect it to work. Do you have a reason for using an unsupported development version?
09:23<thrice>the boot.img.gz is not booting for me, that is my issue. I simply get "Boot Error"
09:24<babilen>thrice: so the install-mbr did not help as well?
09:24<babilen>thrice: That is unfortunate ... try the stable ones or the stable ones from kmuto
09:24<bremner_>really, it is nearly as easy to install testing using the stable installer
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09:25<bremner_>the testing installer is mainly useful for getting people to test it, afaict
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09:25<azeem_>moreover, the testing installer isn't supported here
09:27<thrice>will I be able to install debian testing from the stable installer?
09:27<bremner_>yes
09:27<thrice>plus, I'm not really having an issue with the installer itself, getting the bootloader on the usb stick ;)
09:28<thrice>babilen, it did not. "boot error" changed to "MBR FA:" and it sits there
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09:29<babilen>thrice: type "a" then "1"
09:29<thrice>mm, actually, one sec, the new partition isn't marked bootable
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09:30<thrice>this wasn't the issue before, though; since the boot.img.gz didn't work, I've changed to doing the "manual" approach in the install guide
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09:31<babilen>thrice: type "a" then "1" once you get the "MBR FA:"
09:31<babilen>and for the love of god use a stable installer
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09:34<amz>http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Du8476fk
09:35<amz>on all cards dont work 'down' why?
09:36<thrice>ah, that made it get to the kernel :)
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09:36<babilen>"that" ??
09:37<thrice>marking it bootable in cfdisk
09:37<babilen>be careful with anaphora
09:37<amitz>amz: many possibilities. Weird HWAddr in wiconfig. How did you up it?
09:37<thrice>I neglected the "add a line to use vesa" portion to syslinux.cfg, so it segfaulted trying to bring up the installer
09:39<amitz>thrice: setting it to (not) bootable has no effect. and I like using chroot instead to install.
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09:43<thrice>awesome, fully loading up now :) thanks for the help. I'm not great at the installing bootloader stuff
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09:47<thrice>hm, neat idea. it's actually my first time installing debian :)
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09:54<solista_trumpet>buques?
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09:54<solista_trumpet>si estas ai conectate
09:54<solista_trumpet>conmigo
09:55<solista_trumpet>que no se donde estas
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09:55<babilen>!es
09:55<dpkg>Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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10:05<teguh>help me..., how to upgrade kernel 2.6.26-x to 2.26.31-x
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10:05<teguh>?
10:05<amitz>teguh: you can ask in #debian-id if you feel more comfortable talking in your native language.
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10:06<amitz>anyway, using debian stable? add backports to /etc/apt/sources.list
10:06<Suckerville>hi, i've got a problem with a fresh netinstall of lenny, updated to squeeze on a lenovo ideapad S12 netbook
10:07<teguh>amitz : wow.., you know that i am id.., where i can find debian-id..?
10:07<amitz>teguh: oh wait, specifically 2.6.31? not .30 or .32?
10:08<Suckerville>if i boot stock kernels (2.6.26 from lenny or 2.6.32 from squeeze) i get /sbin/init not found, if i boot a custom 2.6.33 kernel the capslock led starts blinking and 10 secs later the whole screen starts slowly blinking white, red, green, blue, and b/w gradients
10:08<teguh>amitz : not specifically just for upgrade..
10:08<Suckerville>any idea what to do about this?
10:08<Suckerville>i can get into the system with the netinst rescue system
10:08<amitz>it's in this network (OFTC) too. Just type /join #debian-id without quote. But you will probably be talking to me only.. :-p
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10:09<amitz>teguh: your name kind of unique ;-)
10:09<teguh>because BCM4312 can not run with 2.6.26
10:10<teguh>amitz : because BCM4312 (wifi) can not run with 2.6.26
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10:10<thrice>mm, the installer only handles WEP, and not wpa2 :(
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10:11<teguh>amitz : based on http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers
10:12<amitz>sorry teguh, it was a misdirected /msg.
10:12<adb>!BCM4312
10:12<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, see http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp to provide the required firmware (not yet packaged, BTS #561450). Lenny users: for 2.6.32 kernel image packages, ask me about <bpo>. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>.
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10:15<babilen>!tell teguh -about bpo
10:15<adb>!tell teguh -about pciid
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10:20<amitz>teguh: you mean you can't upgrade the kernel or you don't know how?
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10:21<amitz>it's usually better to keep communication public, for the benefit of others ;-)
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10:23<amitz>teguh: basically, once you put the backport in sources.list, the new kernel is choosable in aptitude.
10:23<GeorgeDorn>alias wm window move
10:23<GeorgeDorn>oops. sorry. :)
10:24<Maulkin> alias wm GeorgeDorn: fail
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10:45<zero_>how do i change my default command interpreter?
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10:46<Lethalman>zero_, if you mean the shell, usermod -s /path/to/shell youruser
10:46<babilen>or chsh
10:46<Lethalman>be sure it is a valid one
10:46<Lethalman>babilen, ah didn't know that
10:46<babilen>or just use 'chsh' in interactive mode :)
10:46<zero_>oh thanks!
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10:54<Suckerville>anyone have an idea what to do with my problem stated above?
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10:55<zero_>Suckerville: what is your problem?
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10:57<houms>anyone buying laptops without OS? I am in the market for new laptop and would like to buy one with linux preinstalled or no OS?
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10:59<Suckerville>hi, i've got a problem with a fresh netinstall of lenny, updated to squeeze on a lenovo ideapad S12 netbook
10:59<Suckerville>if i boot stock kernels (2.6.26 from lenny or 2.6.32 from squeeze) i get /sbin/init not found, if i boot a custom 2.6.33 kernel the capslock led starts blinking and 10 secs later the whole screen starts slowly blinking white, red, green, blue, and b/w gradients
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10:59<zero_>ideapad S12 netbookideapad S12 netbook
11:00<zero_>oops
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11:00<Suckerville>nothing that i've found online describes similar problems
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11:03<thrice>mm, the net-install is kinda slick
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11:04<thrice>the "pre-defined collections of software" page is kinda cryptic, though
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11:04<Suckerville>yes, i preferred the ancient installer which spawned a dselect when asked
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11:05<thrice>it'd be nice to see what is actually in such sets ;P
11:05<Suckerville>ack
11:05<gsimmons>thrice: /msg dpkg server tasks ; /msg dpkg tasksel
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11:07<thrice>perfect, thanks :) I'm shooting for a more minimal install, and the DE option seemed to start with gnome :P
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11:08<eshat>Why does powertop tell me I still have 43 hours of battery life ? is there another tool to find it out ?
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11:08<amitz>houms: ask away!
11:08<thrice>gsimmons, why is "Standard system utilities" an option? This should already have been installed in the base set, no?
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11:34<thrice>mm, no kms :(
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11:36<bremner_>eshat: maybe check for bug reports for powertop on bugs.debian.org
11:36<eshat>bremner_: ok, i will
11:37<babilen>thrice: what do you mean?
11:37<thrice>the default from the install is giant-vesa, it seems ;)
11:38<AzaToth>tried to do an upgrade on my sid (long time ago since last upgrade), and I encounter following problem: http://paste.debian.net/68425/ I've looked at the bugs for apt-listbugs but havn't been able to fond anyone, so I assume this might be a local problem for me
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11:38<AzaToth>anyone has an idea where I could try to attack the problem?
11:38<AzaToth>(sorry it's in semiswedish)
11:39<babilen>thrice: I can only assume that you exepcted kernel mode switching to work on a fresh installation, correct? If yes, provide a little more detail if you want to solve that.
11:39<thrice>babilen, that's correct, sorry
11:39<gsimmons>thrice: (re standard task) It's an option for those wanting a very minimal system. The Installation Guide does mention this.
11:39<thrice>I see the module entry in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf
11:39<bremner_>AzaToth: remote apt-listbugs, update, install it again?
11:39<AzaToth>could it be due to me having som emdebian lines in my sources perhaps
11:40<thrice>gsimmons, isn't that what is already installed prior to that screen, though?
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11:40<AzaToth>bremner_: according to apt-cache I've have latest (0.1.3) installed
11:40<bremner_>thrice, you can run tasksel --task-packages to get a list. But basically I ignore tasksel.
11:41<AzaToth>so I don't know how an uninstall would work
11:41<babilen>thrice: Which version of Debian are you using?
11:41<bremner_>AzaToth: me neither, but it seems safe and easy to try
11:41<AzaToth>trying
11:41<gsimmons>thrice: No.
11:41<AzaToth>bremner_: works better then ツ
11:42<thrice>babilen, this is a new squeeze install, which is why (with 2.6.32) I guess I thought it might be applicable
11:42<AzaToth>and it doesn't take 100 hours just to read the eventual bugs
11:42<AzaToth>ty
11:42<babilen>!tell AzaToth -about localized errors
11:42<babilen>AzaToth: Might help us in the future :)
11:42<AzaToth>babilen: I know
11:43<AzaToth>it was just that it took like 10-20min just for it to read the "lists"
11:43<wageslave>hi, i have a debian squeeze installation where the cdrom is not being detected post-install. this is multiboot box and other linux distros including lenny are able to find the device.
11:43<AzaToth>babilen: and half is in english anyway :-P
11:44<babilen>thrice: Yes, that is my impression as well - Could you try to "modprobe -r i915 && modprobe i915 modeset=1" please?
11:44<AzaToth>babilen: think I didn't had to wait for an LC_ALL=C version as the relevant error was in english
11:44<babilen>AzaToth: sure - just wanted to let you know. I did not complain about enything :)
11:45<AzaToth>heh
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11:45<bremner_>how does one know if kms is active?
11:45<babilen>thrice: Or edit /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf to reflect the modeset=1 (not sure about the default value in that file)
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11:45<bremner_>it is =1 in current squeeze installer
11:45*AzaToth hate doing dishes
11:46<wageslave>is there a way to re-scan the IDE buses once the system has started?
11:46<babilen>bremner_: That is what is mentioned on the wiki, but I wasn't completely sure :-\
11:47<bremner_>babilen: sure, I just installed a few days ago, so I'm sure.
11:47<thrice>babilen, the default is with modeset=1
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11:49<thrice>(WW) intel(0): DRI2: failed to open drm device too
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11:52<babilen>thrice: "dmesg|grep drm" ?
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11:54<thrice>[ 0.746499] [drm:drm_fill_in_dev] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module.
11:55<thrice>that's interesting :>
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11:55<babilen>try to load that module and report errors/ "dmesg|tail -n 10"
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11:55<babilen>thrice: http://paste.debian.net
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11:56<DebFeint>ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ ×ÓÅÍ!
11:56<adb>!ru
11:56<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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11:56<babilen>!dbugs 576724
11:56<dpkg>DONE:#576724:N[linux-2.6] udev: [drm:drm_fill_in_dev] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpgart module. (); Tue, 06 Apr 2010 18:57:01 UTC []
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11:57<thrice>yeah, it reports simply not being found
11:57<babilen>thrice: Which kernel version do you have installed?
11:57<thrice>2.6.32-3-amd64
11:58<bremner_>I had weirdness with that kernel and intel graphics. I installed the kernel from sid; that might or might not be a good idea for you.
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11:58<babilen>hmm - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=539026 says it was fixed in 2.6.32 :-\
11:59<bremner_>mentioning sid generally starts a yelling match here, but I think kernels are perversely the exception.
11:59<babilen>,kernels
11:59<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.3-686 (2.6.32-9~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
11:59<babilen>,kernels --arch amd64
11:59<judd>(kernels [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases.
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12:00<thrice>I also have udev-151
12:00<bremner_>babilen: fixed in 2.6.32-10, which never made it to testing....
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12:00<thrice>CONFIG_AGP=y is in my kernel
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12:00<thrice>and intel_agp is loaded. my x is definitely using vesa, though
12:01<babilen>thrice: You could try to install the kernel from sid
12:01<babilen>thrice: Just download the package and install it manually
12:01<bremner_>since it doesn't overwrite the other kernel, it is relatively low risk
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12:02<thrice>easy enough
12:02<thrice>I'm very good with linux, but this is my first time using any debian system :>
12:02<thrice>so, sorry if some package-management related questions seem n00b-like
12:02<babilen>bremner_: right :)
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12:03<babilen>thrice: don't worry, you are doing fine :)
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12:03<babilen>thrice: Do you know how to install that package manually?
12:03<thrice>dpkg -i I guess ?
12:03*dpkg removes a speen from thrice and replaces it with I guess
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12:03<babilen>exactly
12:04<cahoot>speen?
12:04<cahoot>spenektomy?
12:04<babilen>:-D
12:05<babilen>dpkg: i love you
12:05<dpkg>I love you too, babilen.
12:05<thrice>I have "linux-image-2.6-amd64" and "linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64" installed now
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12:06<babilen>thrice: Yes, please download http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64 and install it manually
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12:07<thrice>this is a whole nother world from my slackware history :>
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12:09<babilen>hehe
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12:09<babilen>Welcome to Debian btw
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12:11<thrice>ok, it complains that it needs "linux-base" installed, but installed anyway
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12:13<babilen>thrice: Could you paste that error/warning please
12:14<thrice>sorry, I attempted to reboot before catching that, which failed
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12:14<thrice>I guess the unmet dependency resulted in the new initrd failing to be produced
12:14<babilen>reboot failed?
12:15<thrice>yep, but the new initrd is missing in /boot
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12:15<babilen>thrice: Let me take a look at the output of the installation ... purge it first :-\
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12:15*babilen scratches head
12:16<Tup4c>hi
12:16<thrice>sure, one sec
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12:16<adb>babilen, linux-base must be installed and configured before installing linux-image-blabhlah
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12:18<thrice>but why is this unique to a new kernel from sid ?
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12:19<adb>thrice, i dunno, but seems to be specific for .32 kernels
12:19<thrice>http://pastebin.com/bC4fhBaQ
12:19<bremner_>thrice: dependencies changed. Usually apt-get or aptitude takes care of this
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12:21<babilen>uh, and it looks as if a newer debconf version is needed as well ...
12:21<bremner_>alas, it looks you probably need linux-base from sid too.
12:21<babilen>and debconf as well ...
12:21<thrice>for a kernel image? o_O
12:21<bremner_>yeah, this didn't used to be the case...
12:21<babilen>thrice: That might turn out to be more work than expected .. is this important for you?
12:21<thrice>working video? kinda
12:22<babilen>hehe
12:22<bremner_>do you know video isn't working, or just see an error message?
12:22<babilen>Right, your X server is not working as well. I was in KMS mode
12:23<babilen>I don't think that you really need a newer kernel for your video - try to disable KMS and let Xorg figure it out
12:23<thrice>yeah, drm-less xorg
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12:24<babilen>but you'll probably still run into the agpgart problems
12:24<thrice>yeah, it's not KMS (or i915 module), but the agpgart that's not setup
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12:25<babilen>opinions? Mixed testing/sid for the kernel and it's dependencies? ssb?
12:25<bremner_>I do mixed testing/sid with priority of -10 on sid.
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12:26<babilen>pinning might be the best solution for this mess ...
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12:27<gsimmons>For those wondering, the linux-base package (sid) contains a libata transition script ; /msg dpkg libata
12:27<bremner_>see e.g. http://paste.debian.net/68437/ for /etc/apt/preferences
12:27<babilen>Or just set the default release to squeeze ..
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12:27<bremner_>babilen: yeah, I just stick with what I know works :)
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12:28<babilen>gsimmons: good find
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12:28<babilen>I vote for default release, other opinions?
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12:28<nostmith>adb, actually it was changed in the .32-4 kernel, but for .32-3 wasn't that way. so is not speciffic to all .32 kernels.
12:28<adb>nostmith, ok
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12:31<babilen>thrice: Ok, we will include sources for sid in your sources.list, so that you *can* install packages from sid (development version) with aptitude if you want to. It is important to prioritise the repeositories for squeeze and sid differently, so that you don't upgrade *all* packages to the version found in sid. One way to do that is by setting a "Default release"
12:31<babilen>!default release
12:31<dpkg>hmm... default release is in /etc/apt/apt.conf APT::Default-Release "<dist>";
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12:31<babilen>thrice: Create/Edit /etc/apt/apt.conf and add 'APT::Default-Release "squeeze";'
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12:32<thrice>alright, done
12:32<babilen>thrice: Then edit your sources.list and copy the repository for squeeze and replace sqeeze with sid in that line and update the package lists with "aptitude update"
12:33<babilen>thrice: Paste the output of "apt-cache policy" afterwards and *do not install anything* before we say it is OK :)
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12:33<babilen>thrice: If you are unsure about your sources.list you can paste that as well
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12:34*gatito_borde saluda
12:35<thrice>babilen, looks good: http://pastebin.com/SLxwJcic
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12:36<thrice>assuming higher takes priority, I guess
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12:37<babilen>yes - try "aptitude install -t sid linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64" and paste the suggested actions
12:38<babilen>don't confirm that ;)
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12:38<thrice> firmware-linux-free{a} libapt-pkg-perl{a} libuuid-perl{a} linux-base{a}
12:38<thrice> linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64
12:38<babilen>(yet)
12:38<thrice>new goodies
12:38<babilen>looks good
12:38<thrice>so, I'll basically have to manage this stuff on my own, too ?
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12:38<Robertf_>Hello
12:38<babilen>what do you mean?
12:39<babilen>Robertf_: welcome
12:39<thrice>until / (if?) the kernel makes it into squeeze
12:39<babilen>thrice: no
12:39<Robertf_>how many hours a mail is greylisted at debian's mail server?
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12:41<thrice>babilen, ok, initrd is getting generated this time :> lets try again
12:41<babilen>great
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12:42<thrice>ah, perfect. KMS + drm work perfectly fine now
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12:43<babilen>yay
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12:43<thrice>(II) intel(0): direct rendering: DRI2 Enabled *phew* :)
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12:43<babilen>thrice: You might want to read the Debian reference (/msg dpkg reference) to familiarise yourself with Debian
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12:44<babilen>thrice: Anything else?
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12:45<thrice>so far so good :)
12:45<babilen>!next
12:45<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
12:45<thrice>is there any harm long-term with the sid entry, or relatively safe by forcing squeeze to have priority?
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12:46<babilen>no harm, you can remove it anytime and wait for the packages to migrate ..
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12:47<thrice>alright, great :>
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12:48<babilen>thrice: Just don't remove the Default Release entry in your apt.conf ;)
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12:48<thrice>got it. I'll remove it it + the sid entries completely when the kernel moves over
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13:01<wageslave>hi, i have a debian squeeze installation where the cdrom is not being detected post-install. this is multiboot box and other linux distros including lenny are able to find the device. any suggestions for how to rescan for the device?
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13:10<wageslave>if this is the wrong place to ask let me know.
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13:12<edrz>not wrong. probably just know one with a clue paying attention at the moment.
13:12<azeem_>wageslave: how do you know the device is not detected?
13:12<edrz>s/know/no/
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13:12<sney>wageslave: what kind of cdrom is it (what interface?)
13:12<edrz>does it show up in dmesg?
13:15<wageslave>its a pata atapi cdrw, it doesn't show up in dmesg (ide1: no devices on port), there is nothing for it in /dev (no hdc which does appear in lenny)
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13:16<azeem_>wageslave: could be a hardware failure, or did you verify since that it is still detected with lenny?
13:16<wageslave>it was detected by the installer cd, and i've rebooted into lenny and it appears and a cdrom automounts
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13:18<wageslave>it even is detected by a plan9 install which i did after the squeeze install
13:18<sney>I think I remember reading that the squeeze kernels use scsi emulation for IDE as well as SATA
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13:18<sney>so grep dmesg for something like cdrom
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13:20<sney>of course I can't check myself since neither of my running squeeze installs have a connected optical drive right now
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13:21<wageslave>nothing in dmesg about cdrom or hdc or anything on ide1.
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13:21<babilen>dvd?
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13:22<babilen>sr0?
13:23<wageslave>nada
13:23<sney>wageslave: if it's using scsi emulation it won't show up as hd* or ide anything
13:24<sney>heck just grep for scsi and see what it knows
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13:25<wageslave>scsi0: SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
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13:25<wageslave>scsi 0:0:0:0 Direct-Access Generica USB SD reader
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13:26<thrice>hm, my mouse speed is nearly twice as fast with debian, using the same xorg.conf from 2 previous distros
13:26<wageslave>there was a usb drive attached during the last boot
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13:28<sney>thrice: any reason you're using xorg.conf? debian can autodetect almost everything now, an actual config file is only needed for weird configurations
13:28<thrice>without hal too?
13:28<wageslave>the device was found by the squeeze installer, and is found by installs of lenny, ubuntu, fedora, freebsd, and plan9
13:28<sney>well no, it uses hal for the autodetection, among other things iirc
13:28<babilen>,versions xserver-xorg
13:28<judd>xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+5; squeeze: 1:7.5+5
13:29<thrice>yes, I am without hal on my system :)
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13:29<wageslave>i've also tried modprobe -v ide_cd which changed nothing
13:30<sney>wageslave: it's very strange, have you checked for a bug report?
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13:30<sney>if there isn't one you should file it, this definitely qualifies as a bug
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13:31<babilen>IIRC xorg switched to udev as default input autoconfiguration mechanism with version 1.8
13:31<wageslave>sney: i searched but didn't find anything
13:31<babilen>thrice: FWIW I purged hal some time ago and have an almost empty xorg.conf and have not yet encountered any problems. You might want to try it
13:32<Wrzlprmft>Hello, I want to install Debian on a machine with currently has Windows ME, a USB (from which I can boot), an ISDN internet connection and pretty much nothing else. Right now I am struggling with making the hard disk (preferably without destroying Windows for now) or an USB device bootable. I already tested unetboot, universal USB installer, which are not working at all. The --list parameter of dd for windows does not work on ME and neither is th
13:32<Wrzlprmft>obvious guess for the device address. I found a program called makebootfat, I lack the knowledge needed to use which. Consequently I would like either help with this program or hints to another tool, which might be capable of creating something bootable on ME.
13:33<babilen>thrice: Which DE/WM are you running?
13:33<thrice>aha
13:33<thrice>debian uses the udev backend too
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13:33<thrice>or, back-ported it to 1.7
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13:33<thrice>babilen, openbox
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13:34<babilen>thrice: I am not sure about udev handling if xorg < 1.8 has to cope with missing HAL ...
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13:34<thrice>(II) config/udev: Adding input device "Power Button" (/dev/input/event4)
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13:35<babilen>yeah, jsut checked the same thing :)
13:35<thrice>I expected it not to be the case with 1.7, so I threw my xorg.conf in and install the -input-{mouse,kbd}
13:35<babilen>thrice: Ok, you can always configure applicable things in xorg.conf (which will be the default way to do it in the future (i.e. 1.8) again) or use something like xinput/gpointing-device-settings/udev rules for that ..
13:35<thrice>should've just tried, I guess :)
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13:36<thrice>babilen, actually, it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ in 1.8 :>
13:36<sney>wageslave: by the way, which kernel are you using?
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13:36<dave`>Hi, I'm trying to get X11 working on a barebones system, and it isn't working
13:37<babilen>thrice: where did you play with 1.8?
13:37<babilen>!doesn't work
13:37<dpkg>Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
13:37<thrice>babilen, on a gentoo install
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13:38<dave`>When I start X11, it appears to start, but then it just displays a black screen
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13:38<babilen>hmm, have to go ... good luck thrice and enjoy your time.
13:38<dave`>I can get back to the terminal by "Ctrl+alt+f1" and then kill X11 with "Ctrl+c"
13:38<thrice>babilen, think I'm completely setup now. thanks alot for the kernel tips :)
13:39<dave`>I tried switching to the vesa driver with the same result
13:39<babilen>dave`: You might want to paste the output of "lspci -nn" and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) so people can start to debug your problem. It will also help if you give us information about the drivers you have installed and how you start X
13:39<wageslave>sney: 2.6.32-3-686
13:40<dave`>right now I'm just doing "X -config /home/dave/xorg.conf.new"
13:40<babilen>thrice: you are welcome
13:40<dave`>I'll add the stuff to pastebin now
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13:40*babilen mumbles startx
13:40<babilen>bye
13:40<dave`>I tried startx, and that just crashes out completely
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13:43<sney>wageslave: you should file a new bug report against that kernel, this bug for the last squeeze kernel seems to be the same issue http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=570115
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13:44<Wrzlprmft>Giving it another try: I am trying to create a bootable USB for installing Debian under Win ME with a program, whose short manual can be found here: http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/doc-makebootfat.html I already downloaded an .iso (which I can unpack) but I do not know, where to find the kernel and mbr image or what the syslinux.cfg needs to look like.
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13:45<dave`>hi, here is lspci -nn : http://paste.debian.net/68448
13:47<thrice>yikes, pidgin is quite heavy on the dependencies
13:48<dave`>my xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/68449
13:48<sney>Wrzlprmft: there are all kinds of install images at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/, including usb
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13:49<Wrzlprmft>sney: I know and I already got one image. My problem is getting the image onto the USB.
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13:50<dave`>Hi, I'm trying to put my xorg.0.log on pastebin but its not letting me
13:50<dave`>its giving me this error:
13:50<dave`>Could not insert paste into db: ERROR: invalid byte sequence for encoding "UTF8": 0xa9 HINT: This error can also happen if the byte sequence does not match the encoding expected by the server, which is controlled by "client_encoding".
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13:50<sney>then why were you asking about kernels and mbr images? also, the debian usb install says to *not* unpack the iso
13:51<ml|>Wrzlprmft: didn't you give /msg dpkg usb install a read and tried it?
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13:51<Wrzlprmft>ml|: yes
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13:52<Wrzlprmft>sney: because all programs, that could directly apply the iso to the USB do not work and now I am left to one, that requires me to create the MBR more or less manually
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13:53<sney>the syslinux wiki has pretty good examples for making a bootable usb stick under windows, and then you can just follow the 'flexible way' from the debian installer manual
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13:54<dave`>is there a wiki for setting up X11 in debian? I want to have a system free of gnome, just using xdm
13:55<ml|>!xstrikeforce
13:55<dpkg>it has been said that xstrikeforce is X.org X Window System support for Debian operating systems. The Debian X Strike Force is a team responsible for maintaining packages for the X Window System in Debian. For help configuring X: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/ Ask me about <compiz> <xorg config> <xrandr>.
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13:56<dave`>!xorg config
13:56<dpkg>From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>.
13:56<ml|>dave`: /msg dpkg selftell
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14:04<wageslave>sney: thanks for your help
14:05<sney>wageslave: no problem, any success?
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14:07<wageslave>sney: with filing a bug report? i need to download and transfer a few more packages to get the networking running, and then i will try.
14:08<Wrzlprmft>sney: ok, that might work. I am downloading syslinux now, which takes at least another 10 minutes
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14:21<meowcats>is it recommended to use ntfs-3g or ntfs-fuse?
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14:21<Torsten_W>recommended for what?
14:22<meowcats>mounting rw ntfs?
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14:27<bremner_>!tell meowcats -about ntfs
14:28<bremner_>!tell meowcats -about ntfsrw
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14:53<jhutchins_lt>babilen: THIS is the oftc channel.
14:53<babilen>jhutchins_lt: yes :)
14:53<babilen>haha
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14:53<jhutchins_lt>I think it's time for me to go mow the lawn.
14:53<babilen>do that - have fun :)
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15:00<edrz>hmm.
15:01*edrz also needs to mow, but has no time
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15:01<edrz>jhutchins_lt: want to do mine next?
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15:01<meowcats>still snowing here, cant snow
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15:01<sney>my lawn is starting to turn green again but it hasn't grown out yet
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15:11<firefox>my lawn is like 2 metric tons of rocks.. yay desert =/
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15:36<WrzIprmft>Does anybody know, what the -sfmar option of syslinux for DOS or Windows does? I cannot find it in the documentation
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15:40<butzE>its not one parameter
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15:41<butzE>-s stupid (doesnt know what that stands for)
15:41<butzE>-f force
15:41<butzE>-m MBR
15:41<butzE>-a set partition active
15:41<butzE>-r raid
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15:42<WrzIprmft>ah, thanks
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15:43<wageslave>sney: for my ide bug, should i file it against linux-image-2.6.32-3-686, or what?
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16:10<MeglaW_>ml|: it was still compiling cabal.. so i found a 265 stick
16:10<ml|>MeglaW_: yay, forgot to ask :)
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16:10<ml|>so is it faster now?
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16:12<ml|>MeglaW_: ^
16:12<MeglaW_>yeah loads faster
16:13<MeglaW_>its doing http now
16:13<MeglaW_>only zlib left after that
16:13<MeglaW_>been working non stop for over 24h
16:13<MeglaW_>20min now seems to have done more
16:13<ml|>heh
16:14<ml|>planning on adding more memory?
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16:16<MeglaW_>i just did..
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16:17<opticon>im trying to configure managed switch from debian over web browser default is chrome but it seems to only like ie is their an alternative browser for debian that works with pages specifically for ie?
16:17<ml|>MeglaW_: heh
16:17<MeglaW_>it only had one slot this little thing
16:18<MeglaW_>and from what i read it only supports 192mb ram
16:18<MeglaW_>but it detected my 256 no problem
16:18<MeglaW_>Mem: 256388k total, 236240k used,
16:18<MeglaW_>ohh its doing its thing on zlib now
16:18<ml|>I see, how was it before?
16:19<ml|>err... how much
16:19<MeglaW_>64
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16:19<ml|>nice upgrade :)
16:19<MeglaW_>Setup: At least the following dependencies are missing:
16:19<MeglaW_>time ==1.1.*
16:19<MeglaW_>Error during cabal-install bootstrap:
16:19<MeglaW_>;(
16:19-!-MeglaW_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood]
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16:19<MeglaW_>hehe
16:19<ml|>heh
16:20<opticon>if you have intergrated video it will usually share system memory
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16:21<MeglaW_>;(
16:21<ml|>MeglaW_: what release?
16:21<ml|>debian that is
16:21<opticon>you can usually change it thought through bios decrease shared video memory
16:22<MeglaW_>lenny
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16:22<ml|>ah, that's why you are using cabal-install
16:24<ml|>MeglaW_: /j #xmonad
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16:24<bremner_>on freenode
16:25<ml|>bremner_: we made one here for debian users, join if you like
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16:26<bremner_>ah, cool. ok.
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16:27<styxcc>good night
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16:34<bremner_>How can I tell if a partition is a swap partition or not from a shell script?>
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16:35<bremner_>maybe fdisk can do it...
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16:37<bremner_>to explain the problem, I want to automagically mount all of the non-swap logical volumes in some lvm volume group.
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16:40<pishguy>in device recently plugged . i can use onle copy with k3b . who to edit it ?
16:40<pishguy>in device recently plugged . i can use onle copy with k3b . who to edit it ?
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16:41<babilen>what?
16:41<thrice>bremner_, use "file -s" on the device, and grep for swap ?
16:42<pishguy>KDE4 . on device recently plugged . i can use onle copy with k3b . who to edit it ?
16:43<pishguy>i can not oppeng whith konqueror or dolphin .
16:43<pishguy>mount: you must specify the filesystem type
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16:43<bremner_>thrice: cool, to think I was originally going to ask for "file for devices" :)
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16:45<thrice>hehe
16:45<bremner_>thrice: welcome again to debian :)
16:45<pishguy> who to change or add action for : DEVICE RECENTLE PLUGGED IN ???
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16:46<thrice>I haven't killed it yet :)
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16:46<bremner_>pishguy: no offence, but English seems to be a challenge for you. What is your native language?
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16:47<ml|>bremner_: also free can help, with grep perhaps
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16:48<pishguy>bremner_: turkish
16:48<bremner_>!tr pishguy
16:49<bremner_>!tr
16:49<dpkg>[tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg
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16:49<bremner_>pishguy: maybe that is easier?
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16:52<pishguy>bremner_:thats right. can you help me for delete copy with k3b action on device recently plugged in (KDE4)
16:54<bremner_>pishguy: what version of debian?
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16:55<pishguy>bremner_: is testing
16:55<bremner_>what kind of device?
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16:56<pishguy>bremner_:for cdrom and dvdrom . i can not mount on console and use kde
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16:58<bremner_>You want to unmount a cdrom?
16:59<pishguy>bremner_:no . mount that
17:00<bremner_>pishguy: I don't know KDE anymore, I could only suggest using pmount in a shell
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17:03<ml|>if 'user' is in cd/dvd line in fstab; you should be able to do it as your user
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17:11<pishguy>bremner_: thanks . it's ok . thanks
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17:20<nick>put in my WOW Cd, and try to run Installer.exe through wine it gives me the error access denied
17:20<nick>How do I give myself access to the CD and everything on it?
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17:21<nick>Anyone?
17:22<ml|>!wine
17:22<dpkg>[wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries.
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17:22<nick>That has nothing to do with what I am asking
17:22<ml|>try asking there and reading their docs
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17:23<nick>The CD says its read only
17:23<nick>How do I give myself permissions to run things from it
17:23<nick>Has nothing to do with Wine really
17:24<nick>sudo nautilus doesn't work. Still gives me the same error
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17:25<adb>nick, give us your used command ,
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17:27<nick>Hold on, just ran into another problem
17:27<nick>The '/home/nick' directory does not belong to you.
17:27<thrice>uh oh
17:27<nick>Uhm yeah
17:27<nick>How do I set permissions back
17:27<thrice>sudo chown -R nick:users /home/nick
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17:28<nick>chown: cannot access `/home/nick/.gvfs': Permission denied
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17:29<adb>nick, uname -r , says ?
17:29<nick>just copy paste ALL of that?
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17:30<adb>nick, no, just , uname -r
17:31<nick>2.6.31-20-generic
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17:31<adb>nick, go ask #ubuntu
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17:32<nick>Heh
17:32<ml|>!beer adb
17:32*dpkg pulls out an excellent Green Flash IPA for adb
17:32<nick>Roger that
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17:33<babilen>Good evening - Is anybody aware how to file bugs against the bts?
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17:34<babilen>Or is this really handled with mails to debian-www@lists.debian.org /
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17:34<rudi_s>babilen: Use the reportbug package, simple and works.
17:34<babilen>rudi_s: Against which package?
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17:35<rudi_s>babilen: reportbug is a program which lets you file bug reports. Or you want to report a bug in the bts? (In that case I don't know.)
17:35<babilen>the latter .. I am well aware of reportbug ;)
17:35<locklace>babilen: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/pseudo-packages
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17:35<rudi_s>Ah, I see now. Sorry for the confusion.
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17:36<babilen>locklace: ah, i googled for meta packages .. thanks that was exactly the website i was searching for
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17:48<ml|>babilen: what is the bug?
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17:49<babilen>ml|: Apparently "Include Bugs" with "with subject containing" does not work - but I'll investigate that first
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18:26<saad>hello
18:26<saad>how r u all
18:26<saad>mother fuck
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18:27<dr|z3d>saad: Got a Debian issue we can help with, or you're just here to troll? :)
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18:28<edhunter>dr|z3d: i guess that answers the question :p
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18:29<ml|>heh
18:29<sney>well it is sunday
18:29<ml|>sunday sunday sunday ;)
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19:37<Doval>hello all. I'm in the process of installing a text-only version of debian, and I am unable to delete my aim information in centerim. Could I get some help please? TIA
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19:39<sney>if it's user-specific its..
19:39<ml|>!next
19:39<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
19:39<sney>yes, I guess waiting for more than a couple minutes is so hard
19:39<sney>I am tired today ml|
19:40<ml|>sney: apparently it is, I was about to say something similar; get some rest :)
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19:40<sney>if I go to sleep now I'll throw my sleeping pattern all out of whack
19:40<sney>better to stay-half functional until the sun goes down at least
19:40<sney>who needs help?!
19:41<switchblabe>help with sleep?
19:41<sney>no I'm trying to distract myself from my tiredness
19:41<sney>someone give me a puzzle
19:41<ml|>agreed
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19:44<hitchup>does debian have anything like wubi?
19:44<ml|>afaik no
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19:45<hitchup>ok
19:45<sney>hitchup: well, there's http://www.goodbye-windows.com/
19:45<franki^>Doesn't that install Mint now?
19:46<franki^>Sorry, GNewSense.
19:46<sney>that's goodbye-microsoft.com
19:46<franki^>I saw something on the mailing lists about it..
19:46<franki^>Ah, right.
19:46<franki^>My mistake.
19:46<sney>I just had to look it up this second so that's how I know which is which
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19:47<ml|>is that a new site?
19:48<ml|>nvm
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19:51<ml|>dpkg goodbye-windows.com
19:51<dpkg>http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues), see site for all FAQ. #goodbye-windows.com on irc.freenode.net.
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19:53<hitchup>thanks, I was afk
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20:39<thrice>anyone good with acpid ?
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20:43<thrice>closing my laptop's lid produces two "lid" events to acpid, so my sleep happens twice (once when I close, and then again when I open it)
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20:46<rudi_s>thrice: I've no idea why this happens, and I'm not a acpid expert, but the simplest solution would be to create a lockfile and if it exists remove it and don't sleep again. This would catch the second call.
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20:48<thrice>hm, that might work :> it didn't used to happen with acpid-1.x , and only started since 2
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20:59<bremner_>thrice: iirc, there is a lid close and lid open event. maybe you can see that with acpi_listen
20:59<thrice>I have :(
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20:59<thrice>this is what is killing me. my "lid" event gets called at both
21:00<thrice>http://pastebin.com/3KMJxGPz
21:00<bremner_>I seem to recall there is a configuration file somewhere, but I just gave up for the moment and run xfce4-power-manager
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21:00<thrice>I can't seem to make the event work specifically to one, eg. LID close only
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21:01<bremner_>look in /etc/acpi/events
21:01<thrice>yep, those have my own scripts :>
21:01<thrice>event=button/lid.*
21:01<thrice>action=/etc/acpi/actions/s2ram.sh %e
21:02<thrice>that is the contents of events/lid . "actions/s2ram.sh" just calls pm-suspend
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21:03<bremner_>thrice: I think you need to fine tune event=button/lid.*
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21:04<bremner_>maybe "event=button/lid LID close"
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21:06<bremner_>thrice: by the way, did you install the sid kernel? If so, do you have sound?
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21:06<thrice>aah, LID close works
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21:07<thrice>I had tried button/lid close only
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21:07<bremner_>\o/ win, I want to set that up too for lid closing :)
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21:07<bremner_>thrice: mind pasting the working script?
21:07<thrice>sure thing
21:08<thrice>and yes, sound works OK here
21:09<thrice>http://pastebin.com/ifu5JrTE
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21:09<thrice>actually, one sec
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21:12<thrice>http://slackadelic.com/~thrice/configs/acpi/
21:12<thrice>is my entire /etc/acpi/
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21:17<bremner_>thanks
21:17<bremner_>there is also the package acpi-support
21:18<bremner_>but iirc it just turns the display off when the lid closes, so you'd need to hack that anyway
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21:18<thrice>ah, yeah
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21:20<bremner_>oic, stupid pc speaker stole card 0. /me kicks alsa
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21:46<john>ghbdtn
21:47<john>привет как дела
21:47<adb>!ru
21:47<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net.
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21:51<amitz>!id
21:51<dpkg>somebody said id was 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
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22:18<mdg>Hello! I am looking for a debian live-cd for powerpc - can anyone point me in the right direction?
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22:19<mdg>Hello! I am looking for a debian live-cd for powerpc - can anyone point me in the right direction?
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22:22<mdg>nm - I found it! :)
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22:56<lipe26-cps>hello! please, a good soul help me?
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22:57<lipe26-cps>I had configured ipopd and I got the error ""Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command""
22:57<lipe26-cps>why if my user exists?
23:00<lipe26-cps>thank you! bye
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23:42<LokiChaosE>Hi, I can't seem to find where to set this, but can I set apt-get's logging location?
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23:44<clinton>is there a way I can find out whether my computer sees anything in a pci slot?
23:44<dr|z3d>clinton: lspci
23:45<clinton>dr|z3d: will lspci only list devices that have the correct kernel module loaded, or will it list all devices?
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23:46<dr|z3d>clinton: man lspci :)
23:49<clinton>dr|z3d: I just read it, but I'm sorry it wasn't very clear
23:49<clinton>dr|z3d: I want to be able to read something like this:
23:50<clinton>PCIe slot 1: Foo Crad
23:50<clinton>PCIe slot 2: Empty
23:50<clinton>etc
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23:50<clinton>well, at least interpret that from the data
23:50<clinton>so I can find out whether the card is broken or I'm just not loading the right driver
23:50<dr|z3d>clinton: Work with the tools you've got.
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23:51<clinton>dr|z3d: what tools have I got?
23:51<dr|z3d>If you want a list of all pci devices, not just the ones the kernel sees, try lscpi -M
23:51<dr|z3d>lspci and your eyes. read the man, reread if you don't understand.
23:51<dr|z3d>:)
23:53<dr|z3d>You might also consider installing gnome-device-manager if you want a more UI oriented solution.
23:54<dr|z3d>Less powerful, more intelligible to Joe User.
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