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00:12<max__>menu.lst don't let me save changes . . . says: You have not permission to save changes
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00:12<franki^>Hi Pattriickk, welcome to #debian
00:13<Pattriickk>there a lot of people in here
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00:13<Pattriickk>i love linux nerds <3
00:15<max__>I'm not a nerd . . .I'm a newbie :-(
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00:15<ml|>max__: you need to edit as root and make a copy before touching that file
00:16<max__>how can I start as root ?
00:17<max__>I'm trying to change session but debian don't let me change
00:17<ml|>su -l
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01:39<beer>is there a chanche that qt 4.6 will be in lenny backport?
01:39<Boardreaper>any body knows a good channel for help me overclock the cpu and memory?
01:40<sney>,versions libqtcore4
01:40<judd>libqtcore4 -- lenny: 4.4.3-1; lenny-security: 4.4.3-1+lenny1; squeeze: 4:4.5.3-4; experimental: 4:4.6.2-3; sid: 4:4.6.2-4
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01:40<sney>beer: it's in sid so there's a chance, but I don't know how much work is being put into backporting the KDE stuff.
01:40<sney>Boardreaper: no, sorry
01:44<beer>the reason for me asking is that I "soon" need to test some software (gluon kde) that req qt 4.6. But I could always take the new kubuntu but I prefer to stay with debian (and I tested debian squeeze yerstertay and there seems to be some problem with nvidia closed source driver)
01:46<sney>beer: you can use squeeze and install the nvidia driver from sid, it's pretty easy
01:46<sney>you can also backport it yourself in some cases; /msg dpkg ssb
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01:49<beer>when it fails to install I upgraded to sid (everything) and tried again. Then I could install it using but after I sat up my 3 screens my desktop freeze few 2. after login
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01:52<sney>beer: duh, because lots of sid is broken.
01:52<sney>try a testing-unstable mix next time; /msg dpkg tum
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01:54<beer>I will try that next time. When the first alpha of gluon is released ("soon")
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02:06<googasaurus>Any suggestions for a light weight, easy to use WM? I don't feel like configuring Openbox again.
02:08<googasaurus>Or should I just go with XFCE??
02:09<beer>lxde maybe
02:09<beer>I know that Openmoko used that for a while
02:09<googasaurus>Is Openmoko a distro?
02:10<beer>the main distro the Freerunner (phone)
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02:11<googasaurus>Oh, cool. I'll throw on the links browser and see what I can find out
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02:14<googasaurus>beer: cool. It's like a modified openbox
02:14<googasaurus>beer: I appreciate the suggestion. I'll try it out
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02:16<beer>I have not sued it myself on the dekstop
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03:28<MeglaW>can someone help me install a ati driver on my laptop, im googleing and googleing but nothing..
03:29<locklace>!tell MeglaW about how to ask
03:29<MeglaW>hehe, ati rage mobility on a lifebook series b
03:30<MeglaW>i donno were to start or nothing
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04:29<topgun1>ciao a tutti
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04:31<nathan>hi, my two network interfaces do not support the Monitor mode. So, it is possible to up a virtual kernel with vitual network interfaces and set them with the monitor mode?
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04:34<nathan>butzE, erf, and there is no way to get the same behavor with interfaces network wich not support monitor mode?
04:34<nathan>an alternative?
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04:35<butzE>its unpossible if the hardware doesnt support monitor mode
04:36<butzE>maybe you can find an other driver to get it work but i dont think so
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04:44<nathan>butzE, ok thanks
04:44<butzE>nathan: you could use wireshark
04:45<butzE>ore something like that to capture all data throughput of an interface
04:45<nathan>butzE, yes i know wireshark, it's a network sniffer
04:45<butzE>but i guess thats not what you are looking for
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04:46<nathan>in fact i want to try to crack a wep key on my local network to test my security
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04:47<nathan>but i don't think wireshark can help me to do it because if my interfaces are not monitoring.
04:47<butzE>no ok.. than its not possible
04:48<nathan>:), thanks!
04:48<butzE>buy a new network card...
04:48<butzE>thats mostly about 20$/€
04:48<nathan>butzE, and after?
04:48<nathan>i have a laptop
04:48<butzE>hm... pcmcia or for usb
04:49<butzE>i had one pcmcia card from cisco
04:50<nathan>butzE, drivers are supported on debian?
04:51<butzE>i got it work :D
04:51<nathan>version of your debian
04:51<butzE>hm... its some time ago... but should be possible right now...
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04:56<nathan>butzE, can i have more than one interface connected to internet on the same network?
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05:02<nathan>butzE, and can you give me the model of your cisco usb network interface because i don't find anything on the cisco website with relevant to usb interface
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05:11<nature>why did not emesene work,but amsn do?
05:12<nathan>nathan, what you want to say by "did not work"
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05:36<tzafrir_laptop>I have a mysql problem: I don't understand why the debian-sys-maint user can create a DB but not grant privs in it:
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05:40<nathan>tzafrir_laptop, try to use IDENTIFIED BY
05:40<nathan>and choose a password
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05:40<nathan>debian-sys-maint is the mysql root?
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05:42<tzafrir_laptop>nathan, the user already exists. And anyway, same output
05:43<seanius>nathan: no there is a root account as well, the sys-maint account is for internal usage
05:43<@weasel>it's only purpose propably is to shut down mysql cleanly
05:43<tzafrir_laptop>nathan, I don't want to remember the root password of mysql
05:44<@weasel>so put it in .my.cnf
05:44<tzafrir_laptop>debian-sys-maint is something only the root (system) user can use
05:44<seanius>if all you want is to not remember, you can forget :)
05:44<nathan>hum... so you create a database with sys-mait but sys-maint can't grant privileges to and other user on his own db
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05:45<seanius>nathan: put the root password in /root/.my.cnf and set it root:root 600, problem solved
05:45<nathan>nice :)
05:47<tzafrir_laptop>hmm... makes sense
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05:49<nathan>hey, someone can advise me about usb network interface for a debian lenny? In fact i'm looking for a usb network interface wich support monitoring.
05:50<tzafrir_laptop>what do you mean by monitoring?
05:51<tzafrir_laptop>network: wired? wireless?
05:51<tzafrir_laptop>oh, /me is stuck in era of ethernet :-)
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05:52<nathan>tzafrir_laptop, an interface wich support the monitor mode
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05:52<nathan>i need this kind of interface to test the security of my network
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05:53<nathan>and make my neighboor aware of the security of his network :)...
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05:54<seanius>isn't monitoring only necessary if you are scanning for different networks?
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05:56<nathan>i don't know. I only know that the aircrack toolchain need a monitoring interface to work
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06:05<Brodziak>i have problem with configuring wpasupplicant
06:05<Brodziak>exacly "Open /etc/network/interfaces in a text editor" (i cant open it)
06:05<Brodziak>can anyone help me?
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06:14<Brodziak>anyone can help me?
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06:18<tzafrir_laptop>Brodziak, what text editor do you use? What error do you get?
06:19<Brodziak>it says that i dont have rigts to open the file
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06:22<nathan>Brodziak, you need the root privileges to open this file
06:22<nathan>su - root
06:23<nathan>type your password and open the interfaces file
06:23<Brodziak>i use terminal with su
06:23<nathan>open a graphical shell and type su - root
06:23<nathan>man su
06:24<nathan>you have to read the
06:24<nathan>the documentation
06:25<nathan>so when you re logged on root, you can read an write on the interface file
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06:25<Brodziak>you mean when logging into debian?
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06:26<nathan>have you a desktop environment?
06:26<nathan>like Gnome or KDE?
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06:27<Brodziak>yes i use gnome
06:27<nathan>when you boot for the first on a debian system you have create two users
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06:28<nathan>and the root user has all the privileges on your system
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06:30<nathan>i guess you re a beginner so i will advice to go see the su documentation and the documentation about the linux privileges system
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06:30<Brodziak>when i try to login as root it says "you cannot login as administrator is prohibited"
06:31<nathan>have you try to loggin in the gnome session?
06:31<Brodziak>when logged in as normal user?
06:31<nathan>Gnome refuses to create a root session, for more security
06:32<amitz>usually, the default setting is you can't login to graphical session using root.
06:32<Brodziak>it seems to
06:32<nathan>you have to create a gnome session with "norma" user
06:32<nathan>and after run a terminal and login as root
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06:33<nathan>(or a shell with xterm etc...)
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06:34<Brodziak>so you mean to login as normal user, run terminal and use su - root?
06:34<amitz>or, assuming your graphic card is supported, just press the ctrl+alt+F1. The combination to press to return is usually ctrl+alt+f7 or ctrl+alt+f8
06:34<nathan>Brodziak, yes
06:34<nathan>and open a terminal with ctrl+alt+F[1-7]
06:35<amitz>after ctrl+alt+f1, you can login directly as root.
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06:35<Brodziak>i logged in terminal, and now i got command line only
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06:36<nathan>ctrl+alt+F7 is normally dedicated x server
06:36<nathan>Brodziak, and?
06:36<nathan>use the su command to run a root session...
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06:37<nathan>Brodziak, you know the "man" command?
06:38<Brodziak>so when i pressed ctrl+alt+f1= command line, then when pressed ctrl+alt+f7 it came back to graphic mode
06:38<Brodziak>well, i am green in those things (i am using debian for first time)
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06:38<Rovanion>Last night I updated from Lenny through sid, and it was all a very dependency-problem-filled night. Howewer, once the night was over it seemed like I had upgraded my system so I went to bed. Now when I woke up this morning I am finding myself without any ethernet, only loopback is up.
06:39<nathan>Brodziak, maybe not a good idea coming directly on the irc support.
06:39<avu>Rovanion, welcome to unstable, enjoy your breakage :)
06:39<noflash>Brodziak, look at the reference
06:40<Rovanion>avu: Oh, pardon my mispellings. I went Squeeze. Anyhow, what do I do now?
06:40<nathan>there are many manual on internet for beginner. Is useful to get the base of debian admin
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06:41<Brodziak>i got only problem with my wifi connection
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06:41<nathan>Brodziak, you re logged as root?
06:41<avu>Rovanion, check your interfaces(5), and dmesg, use google, come back when you have a more concrete problem
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06:42<noflash>what a wad
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06:42<Brodziak>you mean the graphic enviroment, command line or terminal?
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06:43<nathan>Brodziak, are u a terminal logged as root?
06:43<Brodziak>su root
06:43<nathan>Brigo, can you edit the interfaces file now?
06:43<nathan>oups, Brodziak *
06:44<Brodziak>by opening them by text editor?
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06:45<nathan>Brodziak, ... use the command line and type : nano /etc/network/interfaces
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06:46<nathan>nano is a console-mode text editor
06:46<Brodziak>i see
06:46<nathan>Brodziak, it ok?
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06:47<Brodziak>its opened in this editor
06:47<nathan>Brodziak, run wifi on debian can be a bit hard.
06:48<nathan>first of all, your network interface is recognized by debian?
06:48<Brodziak>yes it does
06:48<xyron>Brodziak z polski jestes??
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06:48<xyron>a czego szukasz??
06:48<nathan>Brodziak, give me the return of the iwconfig command
06:48<Brodziak>chce wifi uruchomic
06:48<xyron>no ale aircrack'a czy normalnie zeby uzywac??
06:49<Brodziak>normalnie, pod wind¹ chodzilo mi
06:49<Brodziak>a teraz wydaje sie ze bedzie problem
06:49<Rovanion>Is there any way that I can arrow trough the output in bash?
06:49<nathan>network card*
06:49<xyron>wpisz w konsoli iwconfig i daj co wyszlo
06:49<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
06:49<Rovanion>Or in a dash terminal for that matter.
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06:51<nathan>Brodziak, you re sure that your network card is supported?
06:52<Brodziak>troche tego duzo... lo no wireless extensions eth0 no wireless extensions wmaster0 (j.w)
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06:52<Brodziak>nathan: its Realtek RTL8180L
06:52<Brodziak>i saw it does
06:52<Brodziak>a co do reszty to jeszcze wlan0 i tu troche jest, co dokladniej Cie interesuje?
06:53<nathan>Brodziak, use pastebin
06:53<xyron>no to obsluguje ci w takim razie
06:53<xyron>skoro wlan0 masz
06:53<xyron>jaka wersje debiana masz??
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06:54<Brodziak>bodajrze 5.0
06:54<Brodziak>ten z cd#1
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06:55<Rovanion>I want to pipe dmesg to something which I can go up and down in, any ideas?
06:56<nathan>Brodziak, you have wpa_supplicant installed on your debian?
06:56<Brodziak>i do
06:56<xyron>to poczekaj, nie mozesz sie polaczyc, nie widzi ci sieci czy nie mozesz otworzycz menadzera polaczen?
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06:57<nathan>Brigo, so now you have to create wpa_supplicant.conf in /etc/wpa_supplicant (it the file wich will be used to config wpa_supplicant)
06:57<nathan>Brodziak, *
06:58<nathan>by typing : touch /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
06:58<nathan>(see man touch)
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06:59<Brodziak>nawet niewiem jak, wogole sie polaczyc
06:59<xyron>aha czyli taki problem
06:59<Brodziak>to moje pierwsze doswiadczenie z debianem
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07:00<xyron>no moje tez
07:00<xyron>zaraz cos wymysle
07:00<xyron>wlasnie sciagam jakis manager polaczen
07:00<xyron>to ci powiem czy dziala
07:00<xyron>bo mam karte wifi
07:00<nathan>please try to speak english over here
07:01<nathan>Brigo, done?
07:01<nathan>Brodziak, *
07:01<Brodziak>1 sec
07:02<Brodziak>when i pushed it, nothing really happen
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07:03<nathan>Brodziak, what you want to happend? The file was created?
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07:05<nathan>Brigo, i will come back in few minutes. Read man pages of main linux command...
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07:06<nathan>Brodziak, *
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07:07<Brodziak>dont worry, if you say Brigo, i know you mean me
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07:14<Rovanion>Can anyone help me get my eth0 working? It is marked in /etc/network/interfaces to use dhcp. dmesg tells me that it was set on half-duplex along with a ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready message
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07:25<tzafrir_laptop>Rovanion, is it actually connected?
07:25<tzafrir_laptop>What is the output of mii-tool ?
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07:25<Rovanion>tzafrir_laptop: Interesting point there, it was not. xD
07:25<Rovanion>The cable had popped out of the router
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07:29<Brodziak>nathan you are back?
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07:31<gsimmons>Brodziak: You were directed to previously. In most situations, modifying /etc/network/interfaces as needed is sufficient.
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07:37<nathan>Brodziak, re. Use wicd. You re a beginner i think is better for you.
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07:37<nathan>download it by aptitude. It a very intuitive tool (graphic)
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07:40<Brodziak>nathan, there is a problem- my pc with debian dont have internet at all
07:40<gsimmons>nathan: Also, wicd isn't in Lenny.
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07:41<nathan>Brigo, to configure an wifi connexion you have to be connected to internet
07:41<nathan>with a ethernet wire for example
07:41<Brodziak>i propably dont have cable
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07:42<azeem_>you don't have to be connected via ethernet to configure wireless
07:42<gsimmons>nathan: Uh, Brodziak has all of the tools (driver, supplicant) necessary to authenticate to a WPA-protected access point.
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07:43<Brodziak>yes, exacly
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07:43<nathan>gsimmons, yes i know. Also, i know is a beginner and it often a bit hard to config wpa_supplicant
07:44<azeem_>it's easier than doing nothing
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07:45<nathan>Brodziak, so now you have config wpa_supplicant and your interfaces file. HF
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07:46<cahoot>nathan: if you can read and follow instructions it's not only doable but also educational
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07:46<Brodziak>i got wpa_supplicant.conf (it is empty)
07:47<nathan>Brodziak, normal...
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07:47<nathan>remember, you created this file 20 minutes ago...
07:48<nathan>i use wpa_supplicant to connect on my wifi access point
07:49<nathan>give me the content of your interfaces file
07:49<nathan>(use pastebin or other paste service)
07:51<Brodziak>well, i got
07:51<Brodziak>auto lo
07:51<Brodziak>iface lo inet loopback
07:52<Brodziak>and 3 description lines before it (starting with #)
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07:55<nathan>Brigo, give me all the content!
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07:56<nathan>the line starting by '#' are 'commented lines'
07:56<Brodziak># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
07:56<Brodziak>#abd how to activate them.For more information, see interfaces(5).
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07:57<Brodziak>#The loopback network interface
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07:57<Brodziak>auto lo
07:57<Brodziak>iface lo inet loopback
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07:57<nathan>Brodziak, stop! take a look at, type your content and click on "submit"
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07:57<nathan>and give me the new link
07:57<Brodziak>sry didnt understood all ^^
07:58<nathan>no problem
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08:00<Brodziak>ok got it
08:00<nathan>nice :)
08:01<nathan>Brodziak, so, for the moment you have on interface (the loopback interface)
08:02<Brodziak>brb, its polish president funeral
08:02<nathan>you have to create a new one. To do it, juste write below : auto eth0
08:02<nathan>and below
08:02<nathan>iface eth0 inet dhcp
08:02<Brodziak>can you add the lines at pastebin to make me see what it should like? :)
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08:05<nathan>Brigo, and please give me ALL the content of your /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file
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08:08<nathan>Brodziak, *
08:09<Brodziak>1 sec, (you can call me Brigo- i know you mean me)
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08:10<nathan>Brigo, :)...
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08:12<nathan>Brodziak, and never forget to use the man command to get more informations about a command etc... (for example man interfaces to learn more about the network related command)
08:12<nathan>Brodziak, i'm sorry but i have to leave for a few minutes (maybe 20-30 minutes)
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08:36<linux-fox>please tell me a free software of irc client
08:36<linux-fox>i am using xchat ,but it is not free
08:36<azeem_>it is
08:36<azeem_>it is in Debian, so it is free
08:39<rage>i think, x chat isn't free for windows
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08:39*bremner_ wonders if that is just the binaries
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08:41<bremner_>meh, they're a little close to the line, you have to trawl upstreem bts to get the patches they are using.
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08:42<bremner_>oh, my bad. they are distributing the patched glibgtkpango
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08:44<bremner_>so I suppose the point is it is non-trivial to get it to build on windows.
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08:53<Rovanion>statx won't work and when running Xorg -configure in /etc/X11/ as root it exits with a segfault. Tough I can't find the error that makes it exit, no error at all in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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09:08<Rovanion>What should I do?
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09:14<bremner_>if all else fails, maybe strace or ltrace can help
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09:14<bremner_>Rovanion: what graphics chip/card do you have?
09:16<hausi>I have a Linksys NSLU2 which has an ARM processor. Lenny works fine but when I want to upgrade to squeeze it does not find the ARM "path". I checked the debian FTP for the packages and there is no ARM folder. Will ARM support will be abandoned in (the final) squeeze?
09:17<Brodziak>i have question: does gnome (with cd#1) have any internet browser?
09:18<Brodziak>how to run it?
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09:18<cahoot>not found in any menu?
09:19<Brodziak>nope :S
09:19<cahoot>see what epiphany (enter> in a terminal gives
09:20<Rovanion>bremner_: Sorry for being afk, got no awnser in a long time. I have a ATi Rage M3 that should be run with the r128 driver
09:21<Brodziak>how to run that epiphany
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09:22<cahoot>open a terminal, type epiphany, hit enter/return
09:22<Brodziak>command not found
09:22<adb> epiphany-browser
09:22<cahoot>ok so I was wrong
09:23<handheldCar>even better, press Alt F2 to run programs
09:23<bremner_>Rovanion: it sounds like something is broken with your install (is it lenny by the way?) but you could try making a minimal xorg.conf by hand
09:23<cahoot>handheldCar: the terminal has the advantage of error reporting
09:24<Rovanion>bremner_: A broken install is very much possible since I just upgraded to squeeze. What should this minimal xorg contain?
09:26<Brodziak>well... alt+f2 made window popup and when entered epiphany... its text editor
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09:26<bremner_>Rovanion: just the driver I guess.
09:26<cahoot>Brodziak: epiphany-browser might be the correct entry
09:27<bremner_>Rovanion: a long shot, but you could install debsums, and run debsums -s; also try gdm instead of startx
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09:29<Brodziak>cahoot: well... not...
09:29<bremner_>Brodziak: please use a terminal like first suggested.
09:29<Rovanion>bremner_: What does debsums do?
09:29<bremner_>Rovanion: checks for corrupted files
09:30<Rovanion>bremner_: That sounds good, will pass trough that. May prevent much future grief
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09:31<bremner_>also, I did have trouble with startx on this squeeze box, I never figured out what was wrong since I use gdm normally.
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09:32<Rovanion>Oh and I'm getting authentification errors when trying to install. What keys may I be missing?
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09:45<hausi>Ok, I somehow got new info on my topic. I have to change ARM to ARMEL. Cya
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10:17<cr3_>i've installed swiftfox, which is modified firefox
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10:18<tzafrir_laptop>cr3_, and?
10:18<cr3_>and it has a dir which is a symlink to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins .... i've got symlinks there to and (java) but it doesn't work
10:19<azeem_>,versions swiftfox
10:19<judd>Sorry, no package named 'swiftfox' was found.
10:19<cr3_>however a symlink to in /opt/google/chrome/plugins/ (for chrome) works for java
10:19<cr3_>but it's a different browser
10:19<cr3_>in opera i can choose manually java dir
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10:19<cr3_>but it swiftfox it doesn't work
10:20<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, swiftfox is a modified form of firefox and is not in Debian so the support that #debian can offer is limited. Seek support in their forums at
10:20<cr3_>but it's a debian thing ;p
10:20<cr3_>it's all the same
10:20<azeem_>why don't you use iceweasel?
10:20<cr3_>because no
10:20<ansgar>cr3_: If it's all the same, just use Iceweasel.
10:21<themill>cr3_: well iceweasel + flashplugin-nonfree just works, so that makes it a swiftfox problem and we don't know anything about it here.
10:21<cr3_>i want to try soemthing else
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10:21<cr3_>opera + 64bit flash 10 works too
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10:34<nathan>Brodziak, re :)
10:35<nathan>Brodziak, ha you read some manual about basic linux knowledge?
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10:36<giovi>ciao a tutti
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10:37<dpkg>giovi: VATTENE VIA
10:37<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:38<xyron>nathan i help him alredy
10:38<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
10:38<nathan>xyron, ok :)
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10:38<nathan>he finnaly decided to use wpa_supplicant or wicd?
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10:40<xyron>it was easier to explain
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10:40<nathan>xyron, ok
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10:41<nathan>it true that for someone who don't know use the man command. Wicd is must be the best way ,)
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10:42<xyron>i dot really know why people dont read manuals :)
10:43<nathan>xyron, when you don't know what a manual?
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10:43<bremner_>Wicd also has advantages for man page readers
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10:43<nathan>brayden, you can use wicd without read any manual
10:44<nathan>it not the case of wpa_supplicant
10:44<cr3_>wat is dat
10:44<azeem_>search the web for it
10:44<handheldCar>wireless shit
10:44<nathan>(or .com ^^)
10:45<cr3_>how do i tell my wifi card to work
10:46<nathan>cr3_, download the appropriate driver
10:46<cr3_>it should work automatically
10:47<nathan>cr3_, your card is must be not supported natively by debian
10:47<cr3_>that is not good
10:47<nathan>cr3_, what network card you have?
10:48<cr3_>let me see
10:48<cr3_>10:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)
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10:49<xyron>i have question to you guys, coz i cant find it. when i use BT4 there is a program called SpoonWep, and i cant find it on any other linux
10:49<dpkg>BackTrack is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu> Intrepid (as of BackTrack 4), previously <SLAX>. Derived from merging two penetration-testing distributions: WHAX (formerly WHOPPIX) and Auditor Security Linux. It is not supported in #debian. #backtrack-linux on See also <based on debian>.
10:50<Brodziak>nathan, there is one problem left with my wifi connection...
10:51<Brodziak>it disconnect and reconnect after few seconds
10:51<Brodziak>all the time
10:51<nathan>Brodziak, you re using wicd is not it?
10:52<nathan>cr3_, haha you re lucky, i'm using the same network card ^^
10:53<nathan>Brodziak, disconnect and reconnect all the time... strange.
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10:53<ferg>Hallo everybody
10:53<nathan>Brodziak, there are no erros?
10:54<handheldCar>dpkg: everybody
10:54<dpkg>somebody said everybody was nobody. that is because nobody can speak for everybody.
10:54<Brodziak>nope, no errors at all
10:55<ferg>I'm running debian lenny, and use logitech headset. I've no sound. Can anyone help me to fix this problem please?
10:55<gsimmons>dpkg: tell cr3_ -about bcm4312
10:55<cr3_>nathan, did u manage to install/use it? how long did it take to configure? ;p
10:55<nathan>cr3_, read this (wireless section) and after this for blacklisting mod
10:55<bremner_>ferg: can you paste the output of lsusb and lspci
10:55<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
10:55<cr3_>meh ;p
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10:57<nathan>cr3_, your network card will work in a few minutes ,)
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10:58<ferg>bremmer_: the report is here
10:58<nathan>cr3_, you have a hp laptop?
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10:58<cr3_>nathan, yes
10:59<cr3_>[ 3865.228997] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ]
10:59<nathan>ferg, you have sound when you re using speaker for example?
11:00<ferg>nathan: there is no sound at all
11:00<bremner_>ferg: what is the model of headset?
11:01<cr3_>if driver loaded then why there isn't any eth1
11:01<gsimmons>nathan: The information presented in your first link is outdated, including a broken link for the vendor driver.
11:01<nathan>ferg, are you sure you have the drivers for your sound card installed and configured?
11:02<ferg>bremner_: my headset is a logitech ClearChat Comfort USB
11:02<bremner_>ferg: apparently it should work fine with squeeze:
11:02<ml|>cr3_: did you read the message dpkg sent you?
11:02<bremner_>ferg: maybe you need a newer kernel
11:02<nathan>gsimmons, yes one link is break but the way to install driver are not at all outdated
11:03<nathan>so : (for downloading the sta driver)
11:03<nathan>cr3_, have fun
11:03<Brodziak>thanks and bye
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11:04<nathan>ferg, so? what about your sound drivers?
11:04<cr3_>i wouldn't call that fun
11:04<cr3_>i just want working wifi
11:04<nathan>cr3_, it fun :)...
11:05<ferg>nathan: please what is the command line to display the sound drivers list?
11:05<nathan>ferg, i dont know... lspci?
11:06<nathan>han the sound drivers
11:06<bremner_>ferg: lsmod | grep snd-usb-audio
11:07<nathan>ferg, you have ALSA or OSS drivers installed?
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11:09<ferg>bremmer_: lsmod | grep snd-usb-audio doesn't give me any output on the terminal
11:10<mjt>it's _ not -
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11:10<mjt>they replace all minus signs with underscores
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11:12<nathan>ferg, your kernel is 2.6.x ?
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11:14<cr3_>ololol it seems to work
11:14<cr3_>but there are no wifi networks nearby apparently
11:14<hever>hmm is there any easy way to get ufs write support for mount?
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11:15<cr3_>what's the other nice&easy wifi config app except wifi-radar?
11:15<nathan>cr3_, and your own wifi access point?
11:15<nathan>cr3_, wicd
11:15<cr3_>i'm on cable right now
11:15<nathan>cr3_, kwifimanager
11:15<cr3_>Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "wicd"
11:16<ml|>judd versions wicd
11:16<judd>wicd -- lenny-backports:; sid: 1.7.0+ds1-2; squeeze: 1.7.0+ds1-2
11:16<nathan>cr3_, there is not in the debian lenny repositoring i believe
11:16<cr3_>backports meh
11:17<cr3_>also, is it possible to search in aptitude by description instead of package name? as in apt-
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11:17<nathan>cr3_, download the sources and compile manually
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11:18<nathan>ferg, check you have drivers for your sound car installed, ALSA/OSS drivers installed and if you have a sound server installed.
11:18<ferg>nathan: you asked if I've ALSA or OSS drivers installed? This the output of my search:
11:20<nathan>ferg, what kernel you are using?
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11:20<nathan>i see
11:20<nathan>ferg, what about dpkg -l alsa*
11:21<bremner_>ferg: I recommend trying a newer kernel from since your headset is known to work with squeeze
11:22<bremner_>although, at least there your headset has been recognized
11:22<cahoot>isn't it simply that the headset is card1?
11:22<nathan>bremner_, it not a headset problem
11:23<ferg>nathan: #uname -a
11:23<ferg>Linux 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
11:23<cr3_>when i have pulseaudio installed, and it is selected to start on runlevel 2 (sysv-rc-conf) but it doesn't. i have to start it manually, and then turn up volume because it's set at 0%. i'm in groups: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev pulse
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11:24<cr3_>i mean without 'when'
11:24<nathan>ferg, have you OSS or ALSA packages installed. Use dpkg -l to list them and paste
11:25<cahoot>nathan: he obviously has a working alsa
11:25<ferg>nathan: output is here
11:26<nathan>ferg, what about lsmod | grep snd?
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11:27<nathan>and what sound server you re using?
11:28<cahoot>ferg: try this (if it's output to headset you want) speaker-test -t wav -c2 -Dhw:1
11:28<nathan>cr3_, it work?
11:29<cr3_>nathan, yes it works but doesn't start during boot
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11:29<cr3_>W: alsa-util.c: Device hw:1 doesn't support 44100 Hz, changed to 37286 Hz.
11:29<cr3_>W: alsa-util.c: Device hw:1 doesn't support 2 channels, changed to 1.
11:29<ferg>cahoot: I can hear front left and front right and tsshh sound
11:30<cr3_>dunno if that soundcard is that bad that it switches to 1 channel (mono?!) ?
11:30<cahoot>ferg: so basically your headset works
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11:31<cahoot>ferg: but it's card1 i e not the 'default' sounddevice
11:31<nathan>cr3_, if you do all of
11:31<ferg>cahoot: Ok
11:31<nathan>it normally work after a new boot
11:31<cahoot>ferg: so what do you really want to achieve?
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11:32<nathan>cahoot, have sound on debian?
11:32<cr3_>nathan, no, i'm talking about sound card ;p
11:32<cr3_>nathan, i've installed wifi, it works
11:32<cr3_>but there are no network nearby
11:32<cr3_>or at least wifi-radar doesn't show any
11:32<nathan>you said "nathan, yes it works but doesn't start during boot"
11:33<nathan>it was my answer
11:33<ferg>cahoot: I don't hear any sound from a video that I'm watching through the browser for example
11:33<cr3_><cr3_> when i have pulseaudio installed, and it is selected to start on runlevel 2 (sysv-rc-conf) but it doesn't. i have to start it manually, and then turn up volume because it's set at 0%. i'm in groups: dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev pulse
11:33<cahoot>ferg: you want the sound directed to the headset?
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11:34<ferg>cahoot: yes
11:34<cahoot>ferg: ok so you want to make the headset become default i e card0
11:35<nathan>you also encounter problems with source forge?
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11:35<ferg>cahoot: I would like to hear the sound of a video that I whatch through my browser
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11:50<SileNT>reselling free distribution is illegal, right? someone here is selling debian -
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11:51<bremner_>SileNT: no, reselling is not illegal.
11:51<bremner_>SileNT: you don't have to buy the DVD if you don't want too.
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11:52<bremner_>SileNT: see, e.g.
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11:57<SileNT>bremner_: What if someone sells it for 5x more than other resellers and says that he gives a proof of purchase which is needed in case of legality check?
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11:58<bremner_>SileNT: well, ok that sounds like nonesense, at least the business about "legality check"
11:58<bremner_>nonsense, even
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12:02<bremner_>SileNT: since I can't read polish, I can't really help more. Maybe you can get some advice on #debian-pl on freenode.
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12:05<tzafrir_laptop>SileNT, the page you referred to is from 2008, and offers Debian 4.0_r1
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12:05<tzafrir_laptop>If they don't have anything newer, they've probably moved elsewhere
12:06<cahoot>imagine if they succeed in still selling etch
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12:25<kaziem>is there a way to convert my LVM setup in partitions again?
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12:28<cr3_>recommend some rss reader that is not all grey with default fonts and no images pls
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12:43<kaziem>thanks locklace
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13:01<Dreakon>Alright, can someone help me out? I shut down my computer this morning since I wanted to give it a break while I was at work. So I got back home and turned it on, and it's been like 15 minutes and Debian is still running like I just turned the PC on lol.
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13:01<Dreakon>GNOME has always been a little sluggish, especially on my laptop, but this is just kind of silly lol.
13:02<sney>could be hardware
13:02<Dreakon>For example, I just clicked Iceweasel in the background and waited 30+ seconds and it never got focus.
13:02<sney>heat issues slow things way down
13:02<Dreakon>It was working beautifully this morning.
13:03<sney>run 'top' and see if anything is hogging your resources
13:03<Dreakon>seems "firefox" is running about 25% of my CPU
13:04<sney>that's pretty average
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13:04<Dreakon>XOrg about 10%
13:04<Dreakon>and the rest is 0-5 maybe
13:04<Dreakon>mainly 0
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13:04<sney>now install xsensors and see if there's anything scary.
13:04<Dreakon>what do I do after I install it?
13:05<Dreakon>you'll have to excuse me, im still learning :P
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13:06<sney>it might be in the menu somewhere or you can just launch 'xsensors' from run or a terminal
13:06<Dreakon>man, the terminal is coming up nice and smooth and the menu's arent struggling anymore. iceweasel is just crippling my laptop right now for some reason lol
13:06<sney>oh, well... there are other browsers
13:07<sney>I've had terrible luck with firefox over the years, I just don't use it anymore
13:07<Dreakon>I like it so much better than Epiphany or whatever that other one is though lol
13:08<Dreakon>oh, xsensors is a temp thing, I just sensors-applet for that. love realtime temperature on the panel :)
13:08<Dreakon>I just use*
13:08<sney>ah, so you'd already know if it was overheating I suppose
13:08<Dreakon>yeah, running at a cool 45 degree's or so
13:08<Dreakon>which is pretty good for this laptop at least lol
13:08<sney>for a browser, I use chrome even though it's officially unsupported. It works fine. I got the -beta deb straight from google.
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13:09<Dreakon>maybe chrome would be a better solution for here, i swear by firefox on windows
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13:09<Dreakon>got nothing against chrome though lol
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13:11<ray>how i change my dns \i use in debbian
13:11<ray>were i put them
13:11<ray>ever time i do that i get ever ride with isp one
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13:13<sney>ray: you can put them in /etc/resolv.conf
13:14<sney>though the best way to do it is to set them on your routerr
13:15<ray>i dont have a routor
13:15<sney>well, resolv.conf it is then
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13:15<ray>i did that when i did it it dhcp m y isp one
13:16<ray>i have debbian lenny
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13:16<ray>any thing eles
13:16<Supaplex>!lart WideOpenWest Finance
13:16*dpkg cats /dev/urandom into WideOpenWest Finance's ear
13:17<handheldCar>namebench can help you find some better ones.
13:17<sney>there might be a way to stop dhclient from getting your dns servers from dhcp. read 'man dhclient'
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13:17<Supaplex>I cheat with chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
13:18<sney>heh, that works too
13:18<ray>sney i did when sed thay when back to isp one
13:18<ray>never are staying
13:18<ray>what i do
13:18<sney>we just gave you two options. calm down and read.
13:19<ray>i tryed the other
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13:19<ray>got err
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13:19<Supaplex>got err what? got err done?
13:19<ray>hold on
13:19<ray>i found my err
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13:21<ray>thay whent back to isp ones
13:21<ray>there not staying to any of them wireed or wireless
13:21<ray>what now
13:22<sney>google it
13:22<ray>i have
13:22<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: - Be sure to look at the section - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
13:22<Supaplex>as you can see, we fail at mind reading.
13:22<sney>then read the dhclient man page again and figure out how to stop it from pulling nameservers from dhcp.
13:23*handheldCar thinks you just change one of the words to static.
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13:23<handheldCar>no that's ip addresses
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13:24<Supaplex>you want your /etc/resolv.conf to stay static? edit it, then (as root) run chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf if you still get an error, show us what you see on a paste site ( /msg dpkg tell me about paste )
13:24<handheldCar>You have to restart networking after changing that file.
13:25<themill>chattr +i ewww ;(
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13:27<ray>supaplex did you get it
13:27<sney>if you paste something you have to link it
13:27<dpkg>Most of us are not psychic, and require information in a tangible form.
13:28<Supaplex>dpkg: botsnack
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13:28<Supaplex>ray: no. link please (and I'm multitasking, I may not be 100% watching the channel at all times). eg, post here and we'll all help
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13:29<ray>this is whast i get ever time i put what i want in it changes back to isp dns
13:29*Supaplex looks
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13:29<Dreakon>Is there any way to make Google Chrome delete all history and cache (other than cookies) when I exit it?
13:30<Supaplex>ray: did you get the part about chattr I've mentioned for the last few minutes?
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13:30<themill>chattr +i ewww ;(
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13:30<Supaplex>themill: then quit acting like a bot and suggest something more straight forward :)
13:31<themill>!override dns
13:31<dpkg>To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers.
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13:31<Supaplex>well for cool.
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13:31<ray>supapex something got messed up had to restart
13:31<Supaplex>dpkg: themill++
13:31<Supaplex>ray: that's okay. chattr is ewww anyway.
13:31<ray>supaplex dont want to post my dns server in open chat
13:31<Supaplex>!tell ray about override dns
13:33<Supaplex>I use because it's so easy to get in touch with the admin.
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13:38<ray>supaplex still pulling isp ones
13:39<ray>even changed that
13:39<ray>do i added to lease supaplex right in there
13:39<Supaplex>themill: so, chattr > supersede domain-name-servers ? :o)
13:40<ray>o i see that supaplex added it there
13:40<themill>Supaplex: no, chattr won't work if you've got resolvconf installed and is an ugly hack at best. The correct solution is always going to be to configure things properly....
13:41<Supaplex>themill: what I'm really asking is, why's this still b0ken? =)
13:41<ray>still pulling isp dns
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13:41<themill>Supaplex: incorrect config in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf or not even using dhcp, at a guess.
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13:42<ray>themill still pulling isp ones i got debbian lenny
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13:43<ray>!tell supaplex dns
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13:44<ray>!tell supaplex mail
13:44<Supaplex>stop that
13:44<ray>any idea supaplex
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13:44<themill>ray: please pastebin your etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
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13:46<ray>themill here you go
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13:47<themill>umm.... you haven't actually done what dpkg suggested.
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13:48<ray>themill i never did this i did it and all ways get isp one
13:48<Hiosai>does anybody know which iso of the debian is better for the processor i7?
13:48<themill>dpkg: tell ray about override dns
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13:49<themill>ray: please follow the instructions that dpkg just gave you. Check that the relevant lines are at the end of that file.
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13:49<ray>what i look for in file
13:49<ray>im lost with the dpkg
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13:50<ray>themill what i look for in it
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13:50<ray>i lost
13:51<ray>wewhat i look for the mill i just install debbian lenny
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13:51<Hiosai>I was a little hasty. Can anybody help me?
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13:53<ray>thew mill i just did it stioll pulls isp ones
13:54<ray>themill i did it pulls the isp ones
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13:54<themill>ray: is there another language that you'd be more comfortable getting help in?
13:54<ray>no im english im a austic person thats all themill
13:54<themill>ray: ok. just checking that we can't help you in a better way.
13:55<ray>themill i did everything
13:55<ray>still pullks isp ones weird
13:56<kmap>Hiosai: I would guess amd64, not sure though
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14:01<Hiosai_>kmap: thanks! I'll try this, and report later, if works. I've been looking what is the better for the i7. thanks again!
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14:11<Brodziak>hello i got problem with wifi: it is disconnecting and reconnecting every few seconds
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14:12<Brodziak>anyone has idea how to fix this?
14:13<azeem_>pastebin the syslog content where you see the connects/disconnects
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14:13<Brodziak>i use wicd
14:14<Brodziak>and even there i see that it is reconnecting
14:16<Brodziak>i am at pc with debian so can anyone help? :)
14:17<azeem_>20:13 < azeem_> pastebin the syslog content where you see the connects/disconnects
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14:17<Brodziak>where it is? (i am using debian for first time
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14:21<Brodziak>its a lot of text inside
14:21<azeem_>"where you see the connects/disconnects"
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14:25<Brodziak>i think it its this
14:25<Brodziak>(may be wrong)
14:26<azeem_>Brodziak: is this repeating?
14:27<azeem_>I mean, do you see this part more than once in the syslog?
14:27<Brodziak>yes it does
14:27<Brodziak>it is happening every few seconds
14:27<azeem_>and before "wlan0: deauthenticate(reason=3)" are the dhclient messages again?
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14:28<Brodziak>i checked it: its repeating every 20 seconds
14:29<azeem_>is this wep or wpa encryption?
14:29<azeem_>what does "uname -r" say?
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14:29<Brodziak>maybe it is using some wpa supplicant script/driver?
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14:30<Brodziak>it says: 2.6.26-2-686
14:31<azeem_>is this your own wifi, or are you sharing it or is it from the uni/work?
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14:32<Brodziak>its my wifi, and i got it in home
14:33<Brodziak>i am sharing it with noone
14:34<azeem_>maybe you can try the 2.6.32 kernel from lenny-backports
14:34<dpkg> is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read A sample line for your sources.list is: deb lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users>
14:34<Brodziak>how to install it?
14:34<Brodziak>i got all sources installed
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14:36<azeem_>apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686=2.6.32+25~bpo50+1
14:36<@weasel>linux-image-2.6-686/lenny-backports is shorter
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14:38<Brodziak>well its downloading some files
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14:38<Brodziak>it gonna stop every 20 seconds :(
14:39<Brodziak>or maybe when using some connection speed it will not reconnect? :) i hope so
14:39<Brodziak>i saw speed.... its jumping between 2 minutes and 168 hours...
14:40<Brodziak>to download 24 mb file
14:40<sney>jumping back and forth like that? sounds like bursting, are you on isdn/satellite or something?
14:41<Brodziak>well i am isdn +wifi
14:42<Brodziak>sney: my wifi connection is reconnecting every 20 seconds
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14:42<sney>mine used to do that, what card is it? atheros?
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14:43<Brodziak>its realtek rtl8180
14:43<Brodziak>sney: what you have done to fix that issue?
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14:45<sney>well, I upgraded the kernel for mine, the newer module didn't have that problem
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14:45<sney>sometimes it can help to force it to a slower speed
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14:47<Brodziak>so doing: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686=2.6.32+25~bpo50+1 can help?
14:47<handheldCar>Brodziak: that's upgrading the kernel.
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14:48<Brodziak>so i hope it will help
14:48<Brodziak>after that i need to reboot ?
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14:49<Brodziak>ok i am rebooting now,
14:49<Brodziak>brb :)
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14:53<Brodziak>ok i am back
14:53<Brodziak>seems that everything works fine :)
14:53<sney>running the new kernel?
14:54<handheldCar>Brodziak: btw, that's not the usual way of upgrading kernels. Usually, the OS will let you know when a new kernel is available.
14:54<sney>!congratulate Brodziak
14:54<dpkg>Woohoo Brodziak, you did it!
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14:56<Brodziak>there are more problems i think
14:56<tv>no problem
14:57<sney>Brodziak: such as?
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14:58<Brodziak>eh... this upgrade fixed my sounds ^^
14:58<tv>i tv repair riga
14:59<noflash>tv, you have a debian related question?
15:01<noflash>!tell tv -about ask
15:01<tv>Ja love debian sistem
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15:02<Brodziak>i have question :)
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15:04<Brodziak>i got 2 partitions: 1 uses debian and second were used to store music/games/other things. Why i cant even open it?
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15:04<Brodziak>and the second one was used while i had windows (no system partition)
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15:05<sney>Brodziak: so it's ntfs (windows filesystem) ?
15:05<niktaris_>from a dpkg -l how do I list only the packagename ?
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15:05<tv>ntfs no
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15:06<glcht>Brodziak: aptitude install ntfs-3g
15:06<Brodziak>it is ntfs
15:06<sney>yeah, you need ntfs-3g installed
15:07<tv>senks bye
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15:07<raccoon>niktaris_: dpkg -l | awk '{ print $2; }'
15:08<Brodziak>i pushed "aptitude install ntfs-3g"
15:08<Brodziak>and i have to reboot?
15:08<sney>you only need to reboot for kernel upgrades, nearly everything else works right away
15:08<Brodziak>well.. it does not now...
15:09<Brodziak>i cant open the second partition stilll
15:09<sney>you have to mount it, it's not just automatic
15:09<sney>and it is kind of a pain in the ass.
15:09<sney>!user accessible ntfs
15:09<dpkg>To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
15:09<sney>but once you get it you'll feel like a genius :)
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15:12<sney>Brodziak: blame microsoft for making it soo ridiculous.
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15:12<Brodziak>can you help me a with this? please... :)
15:13<sney>sorry, I only remember the unsecure way
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15:14<noflash>Brodziak, the usual way is for you to try to do things on your own :)
15:15<Brodziak>but how do i start with?
15:15<handheldCar>Take you time, make it a long-term project if you have to.
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15:15<noflash>read the documentation
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15:21<Brodziak>well... it seems that i need to mount nfts partition
15:21<Brodziak>and i found this: # mkdir /mnt/windows
15:21<Brodziak># mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/windows
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15:22<Brodziak>its kind of that?
15:22<handheldCar>yes, that will mount it now, but if u keep on reading, it will tell you how to set up fstab to mount it at boot.
15:22<handheldCar>if your partition is sda1
15:23<Brodziak>i dont know
15:24<Brodziak>file system i used to install debian is ext3
15:24<handheldCar>if you run fdisk -l as root, it will tell you the partition tables.
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15:26<handheldCar>u have to list your device after the l, so df -T to get the device
15:26<Brodziak>1 sec, i pastebin what i got after that
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15:27<handheldCar>there you go. ntfs is /dev/hda5
15:27<Brodziak>so how i can mount it?
15:27<handheldCar>u just posted the commands above. type 5 instead of 1
15:27<Brodziak>mount -t dev/hda5?
15:28<handheldCar>yes the whole thing: mkdir, ntfs, ...
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15:28<Brodziak>so if i put
15:28<Brodziak>mount -t dev/hda5?
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15:28<Brodziak>it will be mounted?
15:29<handheldCar>as root, mkdir /mnt/windows && mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /mnt/windows
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15:31<Brodziak>i get error: mount: special device /dev/sda5 does not exist
15:32<noflash>Brodziak, try /dev/hda5
15:34<Brodziak>mkdir /mnt/windows && mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows ?
15:35<handheldCar>probably leave off the mkdir to &&. ls /mnt to see if windows is there.
15:35<Brodziak>there is no windows on that partition
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15:36<handheldCar>ls /mnt shows no windows directory? then yes, that whole command
15:36<Brodziak>i mean that there was no windows before
15:37<Brodziak>i just want to mount it to make it work
15:37<handheldCar>ok you can name the directory ntfs, music or whatever you like besides winders
15:38<Brodziak>so i can mout that partition to have access to files there?
15:39<handheldCar>yes, after you make a mount point.
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15:39<Brodziak>so how to do it? lead me please :)
15:40<handheldCar>mkdir /mnt/music_and_games
15:40<Brodziak>i want to make whole partition accessable
15:41<handheldCar>that's the 2nd step. have you made a directory for the mount point yet?
15:42<handheldCar>mkdir /mnt/windows && mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/windows
15:42<handheldCar>that will do it all in one step. edit if you don't want it called windows.
15:42<mjt>i'd suggest using ntfs-3g
15:42<Brodziak>it exist now
15:43<mjt>that one is much more useable. with `-t ntfs' the permissions are werird (immediately noticeable) and it's less reliable
15:44<mjt>(for that, install ntfs-3g package, and use ntfs-3g instead of ntfs in the above command)
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15:45<Brodziak>mount point has been made
15:45<Brodziak>so how mount it now?
15:46<mjt>shouldn't it be mountable from the gui too?
15:46<Brodziak>what do you mean?
15:46<Brodziak>i am green
15:46<handheldCar>if you entered that whole command, then it's mounted. navigate there with nautilus.
15:46<Brodziak>i got gnome
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15:47<mjt>i never checked - apparently ntfs filesystems aren't being user-mountable by default.
15:47<handheldCar>just double-click on the filesystem icon on the desktop
15:49<Brodziak>what filesystem?
15:49<Brodziak>i got nothing more on desktop
15:49<Brodziak>computer, home folder, dustbin
15:49<handheldCar>sorry, computer.
15:50<handheldCar>then mnt
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15:50<Brodziak>i seen it before
15:50<Brodziak>but i cant see it now
15:50<Brodziak>ideas why?
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15:51<handheldCar>what, computer?
15:51<Brodziak>in the computer
15:51<Brodziak>there was another icon
15:51<Brodziak>with this ntfs partition
15:52<handheldCar>ok it's mounted inside mnt now
15:52<Brodziak>i see
15:53*handheldCar is lost
15:53<handheldCar>why is this so complicated?
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15:53<Brodziak>i named it data
15:53<Brodziak>i found that folder
15:53<zabuch>Hello! I have a question... is debconf keeping the answers for the questions even if the package was purged? I have a line like this in the "config" script of my package:
15:53<zabuch>db_input critical moodle/www || true
15:53<Brodziak>and now is another problem: its unable to open... (no access rights)
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15:54<zabuch>but debconf is not asking the question - I see it takes the value from the previous installation - even tho i have dpkg --purge the paclkage
15:54<mjt>zabuch: /var/cache/debconf/
15:55<azeem_>zabuch: are you running db_purge on purge?
15:56<mjt>critical input is usually shown
15:56<zabuch>azeem_: dh_installdebconf has added db_purge to my postrm - so that should remove something from /var/cache/debconf - right?
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15:56<CQ>hello, what's the recommended method to encrypt /tmp and swap?
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15:57<azeem_>zabuch: yes
15:57<Greed>I'm in testing and i would like to install the nvidia driver and the module assistant don't want to compile
15:57<Greed> I have the same gcc of my kernel compiling
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15:57<zabuch>azeem_, mjt: OK, thanks - I should be able to debug it now
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15:58<mjt>Greed: there were quite a lot of fuzz with nvidia driver recently, upstream broke compatibility several times in a row
15:58<mjt>if you're talking about nouveau
15:58<Greed>no the non free driver
15:58<Brodziak>i got access to that partition by root + nautilus, can i change access rights to get access normally?
15:59<Brodziak>how? :)
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16:00<handheldCar>as root, chown [yourself] -R /mnt/data
16:00<ml|>Greed: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
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16:00<mjt>handheldCar: won't that destroy all permissions requred for windows?
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16:02<Greed>ml|: thanks
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16:02<Brodziak>there is no windows
16:02<Greed>I try that
16:02<handheldCar>yeah, that's true. this isn't going back to windows.
16:02<ml|>Greed: make sure you follow /msg dpkg tum ; exactly
16:03<Brodziak>i can edit/ move /delete files there?
16:04<handheldCar>yes, you should
16:04<handheldCar>be able to
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16:06<Brodziak>i cant open it still
16:07<handheldCar>chgrp -R [yourself] /mnt/data
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16:08<mjt>um, if chown didn't help, chgrp wont
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16:08<Greed>ml|: I don't understand I use the pinning for a testing priority after Lenny and Sid Experimental. It's not the howto of tum
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16:08<mjt>actually i were never able to do anything useful as non-root with ntfs mount
16:08<mjt>but ntfs-3g worked
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16:10<Brodziak>with that second one i get "chgrp: cannot change group"
16:10<ml|>Greed: well, I dunno I don't use pinning; if you feel comfortable use that, but if you get that wrong you will end up with a sid system
16:10<azeem_> Brodziak which command did you run?
16:11<handheldCar>as root, it might matter I told you put the -R on the wrong side of your username in the chown command.
16:11<azeem_>Brodziak: eh?
16:11<azeem_>Brodziak: please cite the command you ran when you got "chgrp: cannot change group"
16:12<Brodziak>"chgrp -R elf /mnt/data"
16:12<ml|>Greed: and you use testing or some mix of lenny, squeeze and sid now?
16:13<handheldCar>you might want to ls -l /mnt/data/[some folder] to see if they say elf elf instead of root elf.
16:13<Greed>a mix of lenny sid experimental
16:13<Greed>and squeeze
16:14<ml|>Greed: ok, you are on your own with that; never a good idea to mix stable with anything
16:14<Brodziak>i did "ls -l /mnt/data/" and seems that all are root root
16:15<handheldCar>that's not good
16:15<mjt>just use ntfs-3g. and mount with -o uid=$you
16:16<handheldCar>after umount of course
16:17<Brodziak>how to do it all?
16:17<handheldCar>su -
16:17<handheldCar>chown -R elf /mnt/data
16:17<handheldCar>chgrp -R elf /mnt/data
16:18<ml|>or just chown -R elf:elf /mnt/data
16:19<Brodziak>i still cant open it
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16:21<handheldCar>why? what does ls -l say now?
16:21<Brodziak>1 sec
16:22<Brodziak>its root root still
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16:23<handheldCar>figure out how to unmount it (umount) and mount with ntfs-3g option -o uid above.
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16:25<mjt>actually ntfs filesystem also has uid= and gid= options
16:25<handheldCar>man umount by the way. man [command] for all instructions, and q to quit the instructions
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16:25<mjt>but again, i never was able to use that
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16:26<chivi>hi, I have a problem starting a debian 5 machine
16:26<thrice>what's the best way to install only SOME of a recommended set of dependencies ?
16:27<chivi>the grub loads, but then it starts to load the kernel and suddently the monitor disconects
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16:27<handheldCar>mjt: you were saying use the mount command again w/ a -t ntfs-3g option instead of -t ntfs.
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16:28<mjt>handheldCar: and with -o uid=elf
16:28<chivi>I think it could be something related to xorg, but I'm not sure
16:28<mjt>chivi: xorg usually loads at the end
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16:28<Brodziak>how to dismount it?
16:28<chivi>so.. any tip were to look?
16:28<Brodziak>nautilus+root = nope ;(
16:29<mjt>Brodziak: can you actually read what's being said to you, please? :)
16:29<handheldCar>man umount
16:29<mjt>Brodziak: handheldCar gave you everything already, ready to use commands...
16:29<handheldCar>page down, page up, q when finished
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16:30<mjt>chivi: it really depends. Is it "recent enough" state of debian? did it work before?
16:31<chivi>Well, I did a safe-upgrade last day and didn't checked it until today
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16:31<mjt>chivi: for one, such thing may happen when loading a kms-enabled module (radeon or intel graphics, or now nouveau) but without loading fbcon module before... if that tells you anything... ;)
16:31<ml|>thrice: follow /msg dpkg apt-recommends to turn off for that one package and then manually install the recommends you want, would be one way to it
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16:32<chivi>and it happens both with the .26 kernel and the .30bpo kernel
16:32<mjt>aha, so that's not the case here.
16:33<mjt>what's "monitor disconnected"? blank? or - as some lcd ones may do - tells you "no signal"?
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16:34<chivi>the login screen gives me a lot of warning messages i didn't seen before, but it's too fast
16:34<Brodziak>all i found is: "umount [-dflnrv] directory | device
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16:34<ml|>chivi: /msg dpkg bootlogd to see the output
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16:35<Brodziak>so like umount [-dflnrv] mnt | data or umount [-dflnrv] /mnt/data ??
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16:36<handheldCar>Brodziak: page down and see what those options do. d, f, l, etc. it would be more like /mnt/data
16:36<mjt>that's a good one. 'hwell. is there a "guide for manpages" somewhere?
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16:37<ml|>man man ;)
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16:37<mjt>not really
16:37<mjt>it describes man _command_, not ways to read (interpret) manual pages
16:38<Brodziak>-f is forced and -l is lazy -> when not bussy
16:38<mjt>(thre's also man 7 man, but it describes the "language" in which the manual pages are written - even worse :)
16:38<chivi>ml|, I'm going to reboot, to see the log
16:38<ml|>his pager would most likely be less so man man man less should help
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16:39<mjt>man man man less ;-P
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16:39<mjt>i want more :)
16:39<handheldCar>Brodziak: those sound safe to leave out
16:40<handheldCar>and don't include brackets []
16:40<mjt>Brodziak: just this: umount /mnt/data
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16:40<mjt>Brodziak: please get used to the manpages a bit. That's the main source of information.
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16:41<Brodziak>i getting used to tem :)
16:42<Brodziak>i am*
16:42<noflash>now, I don't care who ya are...that's funny
16:42<Brodziak>so now... how to install it to work on elf elf :}
16:43<mjt>mount, not install, it's called "mount"
16:43<mjt>what you did to mount it before?
16:43<ml|>Brodziak: you should read the debian reference /msg dpkg reference
16:44<mjt>.msg dpkg reference
16:44<mjt>that's something i've never read :)
16:45<mjt>Brodziak: apt-get install ntfs-3g
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16:46<Brodziak>"apt-get install ntfs-3g" said that is already updated
16:46<mjt>Brodziak: mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=elf /dev/THE_DEVICE_IN_QUESTION /mnt/data
16:46<mjt>i dunno what device it is - the same as before
16:47<Brodziak>well what device in question you mean?
16:47<mjt>updated or up to date or already the latest version?
16:48<ml|>is this something you will do a lot?
16:48<Brodziak>its already
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16:48<Brodziak>mean what?
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16:50<Brodziak>by "is this something you will do a lot?" you mean what? if i use it often?
16:50<ml|>yes, mount that nfts drive
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16:52<Brodziak>question: "device in question" is what? :P
16:52<ml|>dpkg: reference
16:52<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
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16:52<ml|>Brodziak: ^ read that then come back
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16:52<mjt>Brodziak: i already answred you that
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16:53<mjt>Brodziak: before you asked it
16:53<Brodziak>"device in question" = ntfs?
16:53<ml|>and read what people tell you here, would help
16:54<mjt>i scrolled up for you
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16:54<Brodziak>i ok
16:54<mjt>you were used mount command before
16:54<Brodziak>thanks :)
16:54<mjt>it should be no brainer to understand that you want to mount the same thing
16:55<mjt>hence "the same device as before" since it is scrolled up the screen alrady for me but you know it
16:55<Brodziak>wait a sec
16:55*mjt ==> bed.
16:56<handheldCar>so did you unmount the partition yet?
16:56<Brodziak>its what i got
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16:57<mjt>umount first
16:57<handheldCar>did you umount /mnt/hda5?
16:57<mjt>or /mnt/data
16:58<mjt>ok, really bed.
16:58<Brodziak>i umounted it
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17:01<Brodziak>ok i think its too late to do this kind of job, also i need to rest too
17:02<Brodziak>so thank you all for help :)
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17:02<Brodziak>i go to bed :)
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17:06<nasta>c'è nessuno?
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17:16<zabuch>guys - would you know by any chance what is the best way to handle (creating) packages that require enabling a new website in apache? like phpmyadmin, etc
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17:17<zabuch>I saw that alias is quite often used - but it doesn't seem to me like a good option, if user uses virtual hosts...
17:17<handheldCar>phpmyadmin doesn't require enabling a new website
17:17<handheldCar>just go to
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17:18<zabuch>I mean how to package web applications - should I add a config file included by apache with "alias" directive?
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17:19<chealer>zabuch: are you creating a package which you intend to put in Debian?
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17:19<zabuch>chealer: yes, I'm currently working on recently orphaned moodle package
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17:23<zabuch>Moodle is basically a PHP application and I was wondering what is the best way to handle apache onfig for new PHP application
17:24<zabuch>aliasing it seems like a bad idea, you can see this bug report for example:
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17:26<handheldCar>Do you think this might be more an Apache problem?
17:27<handheldCar>Are you familiar w/ #httpd on freenode?
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17:27<zabuch>It's hard to say - but aliasing in general seems like a bad idea. If you have several vhosts, you will enable the application on all of them... and I presume you have no way of preventing "collisions" - for the directory names the same as your alias
17:28<zabuch>Nope, but maybe I should ping people there - thanks
17:28<azeem_>zabuch: you're one of the moodle package maintainers?
17:29<handheldCar>zabuch: this is their wiki
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17:30<zabuch>azeem_: yes - well I'm joining them
17:30<azeem_>zabuch: maybe try #debian-mentors
17:30<zabuch>I'm not DD tho
17:30<azeem_>that's not required of course
17:30<azeem_>or setup your irc client to show your real name and ask in #debian-devel
17:31<zabuch>good point
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17:40<valdyn>zabuch: ship a site config for /etc/apache2/sites-available/
17:40<valdyn>zabuch: or just something in /var/www/
17:41<valdyn>zabuch: maybe its not really apache2 specific...
17:42<zabuch>valdyn: yeah, I think I will simply drop a configuration to /etc/apache2/sites-available/
17:42<chealer>valdyn: the problem is Web applications should be in /usr/, not in /var/www/
17:43<zabuch>I keep all the files in /usr/share/moodle - I guess it's OK
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17:46<zabuch>it's time to go to sleep... see you!
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17:51<handheldCar>chealer: why in /usr?
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17:52<themill>handheldCar: the FHS declares /var/www to be the admin's responsibility; package management shouldn't be sticking things in there (just like /usr/local, /opt, ...)
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17:53<handheldCar>oh Web apps. my bad
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18:32<nathan>hi, i want to compile fdisk but i have a problem with the configure script : The config.log file doesn't contain anything interesting. ls on the fdisk sources location :
18:33<@weasel>looks like you failed to do the autogen/bootstrap dance
18:35<nathan>weasel, yes it done :)
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18:37<sney>nathan: run first, but why are you compiling fdisk?
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18:37<nathan>snake, why not?
18:37<nathan>sney, *
18:38<sney>fair enough I suppose
18:38<nathan>sney, thanks but i had solved my problem
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19:24<EroKaos>Hi, I have simple question about debian minimal installation
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19:24<EroKaos>how much spaces does it take with the kde interface?
19:25<EroKaos>I remember seeing the requirement was 2GBs but my installation without the kde interface is about 3-3.5GBs
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19:26<EroKaos>by interface i mean the Display Manager
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19:31<raylu>EroKaos: kdm and kde are two very different beings
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19:36<EroKaos>i sorry, i meant kdm
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20:07<edrz>woohoo. d-i snapshot today still seems broken for installing to md.
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20:17<Google>Need help.
20:18<handheldCar>dpkg: tell Google about ask
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20:19<imbrandon>can someone point me to where/whom i have to request to get my alioth (-guest) account added to git.d.o/collab-maint ?
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20:19<edrz>imbrandon: you should be able to request it through the web interface
20:19<imbrandon>edrz: ok, it wasent overly obvious, i'll poke a bit more
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20:20<edrz>scoll all the way down
20:20<Google>nvm I think, .deb files aren't being recognized as installers
20:20<edrz>right side.
20:21<imbrandon>ahhh request to join, got it, thanks, yea semi-hidden :)
20:21<imbrandon>well not hidden but at the bottom of a very long list
20:21<imbrandon>thanks again edrz
20:21<edrz>slightly less hidden on projects with more typical numbers of members.
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20:22<Google>Yay for bots I guess
20:22<GuilhermeCunha>Please help me with security question:
20:22<imbrandon>yea, a couple of DD's convinced me this was a good place to maintain apt-mirror packaging from now on ( i'm the maintainer but not a DD or DM ) :P
20:23<imbrandon>looks like it will work out well
20:24<themill>GuilhermeCunha: cd /var/tmp ; ls -lFa
20:25<miguel000>i want to add a key with apt-key add, but get broken pipe :(
20:25<themill>miguel000: precisely what command are you giving
20:25<miguel000>wget -O - | apt-key add
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20:25<miguel000>and the data returinde by wget seems fine
20:26<themill>miguel000: are you running that as root? You need to tell apt-key what to read in
20:26<miguel000>Cannot write to `-' (Broken pipe).
20:26<miguel000>im running it as root
20:27<themill>miguel000: you've not told apt-key to read from the pipe. | apt-key add -
20:27<miguel000>and I thought the | pipe already does what i need
20:27<miguel000>I did copy and paste the line from the wine page, and missed the trailing -
20:27<miguel000>my mistake, tank you
20:27<miguel000>Im also not yet familiar with these pipes etc yet
20:28<miguel000>worked perfectly now!
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20:41<edrz>is there a way to capture the logs and any other pertinent info from failing debian-installer installation?
20:42<edrz>i want to report the "won't install grub to md" error I'm getting.
20:42<edrz>i guess i should send something to the bts?
20:43<dondelelcaro>edrz: you can't install grub to md unless it's raid 1
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20:44<edrz>dondelelcaro: yes. i understand. this is raid1
20:45<edrz>also just found the mini web server in d-i for logs
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20:46<miguel000>how do I downgrade a pacakge with aptitude
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20:46<dondelelcaro>edrz: then you can do it, and it should succeed
20:46<edrz>dondelelcaro: it does not.
20:46<samantha-c->i'm getting a series of apparently spontaneous reboots. section of /var/log/messages is here: can someone take a look at it and tell me, does it indicate bad ram stick like i think it does?
20:46<edrz>i also had this issue on another box a few weeks ago.
20:47<streuner__>miguel000: why do you want this at all?
20:47<dondelelcaro>edrz: and md0 is a raid1 device which is mounted on /boot?
20:47<edrz> /
20:47<dondelelcaro>edrz: which filesystem?
20:47<edrz>md0 is raid1 ext3
20:48<edrz>it works fine in the lenny installer
20:48<miguel000>streuner__, : i have the dev version of wine 1.1.41 which prevents me of running my application
20:48<miguel000>and i need 1.1.40 where it will work
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20:48<dondelelcaro>edrz: ah, this is the testing installer?
20:48<miguel000>however aptitude installled the 1.1.41 automatically
20:48<edrz>which is how I got the other box running squeeze (lenny installer -> upgrade)
20:48<edrz>dondelelcaro: correct
20:48<streuner__>judd, version wine
20:48<judd>(version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot.
20:48<streuner__>judd, versions wine
20:48<judd>wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1; etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.1-2; squeeze: 1.0.1-2; experimental: 1.1.24-2
20:49<dondelelcaro>edrz: yeah, file a bug with those logs then, because that's a grub probe error; it's not mapping the filesystem properly
20:49*edrz scrolls to back to see if he already mentioned it.
20:49<dondelelcaro>edrz: you can still install it manually if you want
20:49<edrz>tried that
20:49<edrz>openned a shell ... chroot /target
20:50<miguel000>judd: is this for me?
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20:50<edrz>grub-install /dev/md0 ...
20:50<edrz>same errors
20:50<streuner__>miguel000: well, thats not a offical debian version, just remove the package
20:50<miguel000>but i need it
20:50<streuner__>miguel000: nah, just for us
20:50<edrz>auto-detection of fs module failed, please specify the module with --modules.
20:51<miguel000>its not from the official repositioeries
20:51<miguel000>but my question is how i can tell aptitude to take another version from the repo
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20:51<miguel000>not about wine itself
20:51<dondelelcaro>miguel000: then aptitude install foopkg=fooversion; or use the curses interface
20:51<dondelelcaro>miguel000: it needs to be available from a repository which you have configured
20:52<miguel000>yeas it is
20:52<miguel000>there are multiple in the repostiory
20:52<miguel000>but aptitude took the newest one
20:52<miguel000>so i can say like "aptitude install wine=1.1.40 ?
20:53<miguel000>aptitude install wine=1.1.40~winehq1-1 works for me , great
20:53<teguh>my desktop is not smooth
20:54<dkr>rub it with sandpaper
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20:54<dondelelcaro>edrz: anyway, assuming this is grub-legacy, you can install the stage 2 and stage 1.5 files manually, then use grub on both halves of the md0 device, calling root and install as appropriate
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20:55<edrz>dondelelcaro: it's grub-pc
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20:56<dondelelcaro>edrz: see for an example of what to do
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20:59<edrz>dondelelcaro: thanks. i'll give that a go.
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21:02<GuilhermeCunha>Please help me with a security question:
21:02<edrz>um. does grub2 have a "shell" command like grub-legacy?
21:04<erico>alguem ai?
21:05<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:06<erico>ok guys
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21:07<GuilhermeCunha>Please help me with a security question:
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21:09<myrl>how long are people banned?
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21:09<DeadlockAvoidance>9 months
21:09<DeadlockAvoidance>it's the exact time a women can be pregnant
21:10<myrl>on the ubuntu channel?
21:10<sney>myrl: how are we supposed to know how long people are banned from #ubuntu?
21:10<myrl>maybe you know....
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21:10<sney>it's probably just a few hours or whenever the person banned you remembers to take it off
21:10<DeadlockAvoidance>they use a round-robin algorithm to ban people
21:10<myrl>what's that?
21:11<DeadlockAvoidance>and it's 9 months
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21:11<DeadlockAvoidance>well, they put you in a FIFO structure
21:11<DeadlockAvoidance>and whenever someone else enters the structure
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21:11<sney>DeadlockAvoidance: a) he left, b) stop trolling
21:11<DeadlockAvoidance>someone else is unbanned
21:11<DeadlockAvoidance>trolling ?
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21:12<DeadlockAvoidance>what does that mean ?
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21:12<DeadlockAvoidance>i'm not joking
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21:13<DeadlockAvoidance>ahhh ok i see
21:13<DeadlockAvoidance>thx wikipedia
21:13<DeadlockAvoidance>well i was just bored
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21:13<DeadlockAvoidance>I shalllent troll again !
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21:45<miguel000>Im looking for some nice lightweight file-browser.
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21:45<miguel000>because just using the console seems to associal to em.
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21:49<kop>miguel000: pcmanfm Which I say only because it's what lxde uses.
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21:54<gdewald>lol is there a way to rename filesystems through sudo?
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21:54<gdewald>I fstab-bed everything to automount so when I umount I get a nice big "hell naw" when I try to rename the filesystem
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21:56<gdewald>If I label a partition in Ubuntu, will it mess it up for my dual-booted Win7?
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21:58<gdewald>I am being ignored ;__;
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21:58<sney>gdewald: this is not the ubuntu channel
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22:00<gdewald>oh shi
22:00<gdewald>how did that happen
22:00<max__>I can't see justin tv . . .help me please
22:00<sney>you launched xchat and clicked the first thing you saw
22:00<sney>without reading it
22:00<gdewald>apparently when I switched from xchat-gnome to normal xchat it messed me up
22:00<sney>don't feel bad, it happens to most ubuntu users.
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22:04<max__>swfdec 0.6.0 in browser don't letme see justin tv :(
22:04<dpkg>flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also
22:04<gdewald>I don't need a more complicated linux OS right now...
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22:06<gdewald>sney, don't be an ass... at least explain why ubuntu is inferior in your eyes?
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22:06<max__>ty sney . . .I will try with gnash
22:06<sney>I didn't say anything like that
22:06<gdewald>well you were implying ^__^
22:06<sney>my implications were re: ubuntu users, not the distro itself
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22:07<sney>but since you asked, it's a poorly thought out fork of an OS that was already fine to begin with. it replaces stability with newer versions and simultaneously markets itself to people with little to no experience.
22:07<sney>it's one of the main sources of new Debian users, actually.
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22:09<gdewald>well I picked Ubuntu because I really didn't want to mess up my partitions, reinstalling windows is something I really don't want to do. Simple == less chance to mess everything up
22:10<sney>(spoilers: ubuntu contains almost no functionality missing in debian. they just put pretty pictures all over it.)
22:10<sney>gparted is gparted, no matter how brown and orange it is
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22:11<sney>but, you're already there, no reason to fight about it now.
22:11<sney>/server; /join #ubuntu
22:12<gdewald>meh, I'll just look up a solution on the web
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22:14<gdewald>could you explain what a partition label *actually* does?
22:15<gdewald>As in where is it stored
22:16<adb>gdewald, please ask in your distribution channel
22:19<gdewald>what does it matter if I ask here or there? Partition labels are universal, aren't they? But fine, I'll go elsewhere. Well now I think I know what type of people debian users are...
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22:23<adb>gdewald, now you insulting us ... cool
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22:27<max__>where is installed gnash plugin ? I'm config. iceweasel and need to config. gnash to open swf in browser
22:28<gdewald>adb, you essentially told me to "go away" without even trying to answer my question that isn't even related to my distro type
22:29<ml|>just use the alternative system and select the flash player you want
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22:30<kaiorafael>max__: check this /etc/alternatives/
22:31<ml|>max__: update-alternatives --config
22:31<sney>gdewald: for many reasons, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic in #debian. Even if you think we can help you with your problem, it still isn't supported here. Ubuntu has a large support community, I'm sure they'd be happy to help you, but they'd have the same response if you showed up with, say, a Fedora question
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22:44<Pika-Index>Guys I need help, how do I install gentoo?
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22:44<Pika-Index>I really need to know, plz
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22:45<Pika-Index>Guys I need help, how do I install gentoo?
22:46<Pika-Index>come onnnn
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22:46<sney>gdewald: see this guy? should we help him too, do you think?
22:46<dpkg>it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than two of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See also or ask me about <greenhouse>., or rice rice rice rice, or, or <funroll-loops>, or #gentoo on
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22:47<Geissler>I'm a gentoobie and proud
22:47<Pika-Index>sney: my first linux distro was Ubuntu, someone suggested gentoo
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22:47<Pika-Index>is it faster?
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22:48<Pika-Index>how do i install it
22:48<sney>you might get some tiny performance increases by building everything yourself, but once you average in the time spent it has all taken longer
22:48<Geissler>did you try sudo apt-get install gentoo?
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22:48<Pika-Index>can i use .exe ?
22:48<sney> has a very nice manual as I recall.
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22:49<Pika-Index>i want to use yahoo messenger on ittt
22:49<sney>!ops I guess it's sunday
22:49<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: I guess it's sunday
22:49<Pika-Index>sney: pls help
22:49<Geissler>come on, everyone knows yahoo messenger is for losers
22:49<Geissler>aim is where it's at
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22:52<sney>!tell Geissler about sunday
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23:05<[Evan]>What operates on a debain/package.install file when you install a .deb package? The dh_install documentation says that the file at the beginning of the line is "installed" to the location at the end of the line. What "installs" the file? What does it do? Thanks.
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23:07<sney>[Evan]: #debian-mentors is where the packaging experts live
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23:07<[Evan]>Ah, that explains the silence to my previous packaging question. Thanks!
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23:19<jay_>hello, I'm trying to install linux-headers to be able to install nvidia drivers, and get a message that I had never seen: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686", does anyone know what is going on?
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23:20<beatstar>format the linux into XP
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23:20<beatstar>linux sucks
23:21<beatstar>gnu is a piece of shit
23:21<beatstar>mac os x is good, but it don't have drivers, so you can't use sh1t
23:21<beatstar>format the linux into xp
23:21<sney>beatstar: good effort, but your english is a little shaky, and you lose points for no responses. I give you a 3/10.
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23:22<beatstar>gee why
23:22<ml|>0/10 here :)
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23:23<sney>at least one of those points was for aesthetically unoffensive use of bold
23:23<beatstar>i don't know how to use linux@!!!!!!!!!!!
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23:24<jay_>he wasn't helping
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23:24<sney>!ops *!*
23:24<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: sney complains about: *!*
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23:25<gsimmons>jay_: The -trunk kernel and headers are obsolete and were removed from the archive. You would want to use 2.6.32-3 in Squeeze.
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23:25<sney>jay_: and while you're at it, you know about the nvidia non-free issue in squeeze, right? the drivers in squeeze do not build, you need to use the ones from sid.
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23:26<ml|>and usually need to follow /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze ; for things to work
23:26<sney>yes, that ^
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23:27<jay_>gsimmons I installed that and virtual box does not want to install because it;s telling me that linux-headers is not found
23:27<jay_>sney, I use the nvidia propietary
23:27<sney>jay_: the nvidia installer? eewww
23:27<ml|>that's not supported here
23:28<sney>jay_: anyway, once you install and boot the new kernel you'll have headers available for install
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23:33<gimpster>can someone help me with networking??
23:34<dpkg>If you want help on a topic, you HAVE to say more than "it doesn't work, help!" or else you'll get no help whatsoever. Give as many details as you can or else no one can give any suggestions. For most questions, you should at least give your arch (i386 for most people), your Debian <version>, and your kernel version. Give exact error messages where applicable.
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23:37<Sprocket>my wife is looking for a particular version of Debian. it came on 5 or 6 disks does this sound familiar to anyone?
23:37<gimpster>k sorry I have a pent 4 processor, nvidia geforce 8400 1.5 Gb of ram 320Gb HDD and just installed Ubuntu 9.10 and my network manager is not showing in gnome i do have a BCM 4318 Network card installed and it does show up in the Ls pci command but i cannot see any wireless networks nor does it allow me to look for any
23:37<sney>gimpster: please do /server and /join #ubuntu
23:38<raylu>Sprocket: you just described almost all releases of debian, i think
23:38<sney>Sprocket: there are a lot of optional disks in every release of Debian, can you/she think of a time frame?
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23:39<Sprocket>she said it had one disk that was the initial install disk but it came iwth several Add-On Disks.
23:39<sney>Sprocket: yeah, that's all of them, going back years
23:39<raylu>at this point, i'd suggest just getting testing netinstall :P
23:40<Sprocket>where can i find all the old versions of debian you mean?
23:40<raylu>why do you want a particular old version?
23:40<raylu>you can install packages from an old version in a new version if you really need to
23:40<dpkg>methinks archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at
23:40<Sprocket>no im sorry i accedentaly asked two questions.
23:40<sney>I wouldn't recommend installing an old version, they wouldn't be updateable and probably wouldn't support a lot of modern hardware
23:41<ml|>no, testing is just that testing use lenny
23:41<Sprocket>what are the add on disks and wehre do i find them?
23:41<ml|>and older versions have no support
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23:41<raylu>the add on disks just contain extra packages. as long as you have an internet connection, you can get those packages anyway
23:41<ml|>Sprocket: have good connection?
23:41<sney>Sprocket: you can find the disk images at any of the debian mirrors linked from, and *all* debian releases including the current ones have multiple disks available
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23:42<johnfg>hi guys
23:42<sney>hi johnfg
23:43<johnfg>Anyone here using latexsuite with vim?
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23:43<johnfg>For some reason, although I've got my .vimrc set up, it's not recognizing my .tex files, as such.
23:43<Sprocket>i do, but i was hoping fid the images with the addon packages incase i need to install without an internet connection. i dont know where on to get the package images
23:43<johnfg>Hi sney.
23:43<ml|>dpkg: iso
23:43<dpkg>[iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent> or <jigdo> respectively. Debian CD image FAQ: See also <vendors>, <various cd1>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <bchunk>, <iat>, <uif>.
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23:45<avz>русские есть??
23:45<dpkg>Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ or use English here.
23:46<adb>kak люди?
23:46<sney>don't you start too
23:47<avz>я имел виду кто порусски шпарит
23:47<sney>avz: english only please
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23:48<Sprocket>does anyone have a link to the package images?
23:48<ml|>Sprocket: read above and checkout those links
23:49<adb>!cd contents
23:49<dpkg>To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk.
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23:49<adb>Sprocket, ^^
23:50<Sprocket>thats not what i awas asking.
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23:51<Sprocket>i found an image for th distro, but i need the image for the packages
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23:52<sney>Sprocket: cd1 contains the installer and the first bunch of packages. cds 2 through however many there are contain more packages.
23:52<sney>the entire Debian OS is made up of packages
23:52<Sprocket>i didnt see a cd 2 ... wait
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23:53<sney>for instance,
23:53<Sprocket>i didnt see they were grouped
23:54<sney>once you are connected to the internet, you can install packages that way that are more up to date, so using just the CDs is not really recommended unless you won't have an internet connection; even then, you likely won't need all of them
23:54<ml|>wow 31 cd.iso's 0_0
23:54<sney>though apparently you can fit the entire collection on a single blu-ray disc, I'm almost tempted to do that
23:54<Sprocket>yeah the 5 dvd one is what she was looking for
23:54<Sprocket>thanks guys.
23:54<Sprocket>ya know, i learned linux in here
23:55<sney>glad to help
23:55<Sprocket>well, between here and #ubuntu on
23:55<Sprocket>i like linux alot but my wife wont make the ful conversion
23:55<Sprocket>she will only go as far as dual booting
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23:56<sney>when I have a working deskop I do the dual-boot thing, I have no problem with windows and I do own a couple legit licenses, might as well use them
23:57<Sprocket>i have used fedora, and ubuntu studio
23:57<Sprocket>so far i like ubuntu studio
23:57<Sprocket>but we wanna try them all
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23:58<sney>ubuntu has no functionality missing in debian, they just cover it in pretty pictures
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23:59<Sprocket>could you reiterate?
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