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00:00<sney>Sprocket: ubuntu is based on debian, so they got everything from here first, then changed the way it looked and made it more user friendly through settings customizations.
00:00<sney>anything you can do in ubuntu you can also do in debian. some things take a little more applied knowledge, but part of the debian policy is against user handholding.
00:01<Sprocket>define user handholding
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00:01<adb>spoon feeding
00:03<adb>you have been helped , and now begin trolling
00:03<sney>nah adb it's fair
00:04<sney>I'm embarassed to say I'm drawing a blank, except to say that one reason a lot of ubuntu users show up here to switch is because they're annoyed by the number of choices made for them by the ubuntu developers
00:05<sney>it's been a long time since I used ubuntu, but I remember having similar complaints
00:05<Sprocket>im not switching to debian, i have only been exposed to linux scince the past year becuase some of my networking courses required labs in windows and in linux.
00:05<Sprocket>i want to try them all out
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00:06<sney>that's an admirable goal
00:07<Sprocket>i made the transition along time ago to replace MSOffice with OpenOffice, from IE to Firefox, From OE to Thunderbird
00:07<Sprocket>i want to make the transition from Windows to Linux but my wife won't convert 100%
00:08<Sprocket>not all pcgames work good with Linux
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00:08<sney>though it's getting better
00:09<Sprocket>with WINE
00:09<Sprocket>and im sure other titles
00:09<sney>I found it hilarious World of Warcraft performs better under wine than it does in windows
00:09*ml| points to #debian-offtopic
00:09<sney>mea culpa
00:09<adb>points to #windows
00:10<ml|>adb: heh
00:11<ml|>Sprocket: /join #debian-offtopic and continue there
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01:46<KEVIN_>Hey, I'm an absolute noob trying to get my wireless internet to work, just downloaded Squeeze.
01:46<KEVIN_>Could anyone help me please?
01:46<dpkg>Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>.
01:47<KEVIN_><what's my wireless>
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01:50<jm_>msg it to dpkg without <>
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01:52<dbldtx>uname -r shows 2.6.32-trunk-486 ~ I am trying to install nVidia drivers via apt-get repository, I cannot find the proper linux-headers. Will linux-headers-2.6.32-3-all work?
01:53<dbldtx>I try to "sudo m-a clean,a-i -i -t -f nvidia-kernel-source" and it tells me that I didn't specify valid kernel headers to use. It says to install linux-headers-*-trunk-486 but it doesn't exist.
01:53<gsimmons>dbldtx: The -trunk kernel and headers are obsolete and were removed from the archive. You would want to use 2.6.32-3 in Squeeze, also ask dpkg about nvidia squeeze (/msg dpkg nvidia squeeze).
01:54<dbldtx>I am running a new, NICE machine - should I be using 686? I thought 686 was for 64bit cpus but it says here -amd64 as an option
01:54<dbldtx>Ah, gsimmons; you're the man, thank you I just needed a slight nudge in the right direction.
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01:58<dbldtx>Can I install linux-image-*-686 on a 32 bit AMD?
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01:59<dbldtx>It says 486 is for "old" pcs, but I thought the difference between 486 and 686 was 32 and 64 bit cpus.
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01:59<jm_>yes, -686 is the right one
01:59<jm_>amd64 gives you 64bit kernel
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02:00<dbldtx>jm_; like always with you being awesome and giving good answers even when they're frustratingly simple. sometimes I imagine you facepalm at 90% of questions here, and I imagine you have a 24k gold office chair.
02:00<dbldtx>Thank you all.
02:01<sney>that woud be pretty uncomfortable
02:02<dbldtx>..however regal.
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02:03<jm_>would iptables work with -amd64 kernel? I remember someone complaining here that it doesn't
02:04<sney>sure seems to be working here
02:04<jm_>good, so that was fixed
02:04<sney>nb. I have not yet upgraded the firewall machine to 2.6.32-3
02:05<jm_>just to be clear - I am talking about 32bit release with 64bit kernel
02:05<jm_>I know that 64-64 combo orks fine
02:05<sney>ahh, I wouldn't know
02:05<sney>32 userland/64 kernel tends to only show notable benefits on non-x86 architectures
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02:06<samantha-c->i'm having a memory problem. the machine is spontaneously rebooting, and according to my hosting service's tech support, it is caused by an inability to swap. how can i tell if swapping is turned on, or alternative, allocate more memory for the kernel?
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02:06<jm_>swapon -s
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02:08<samantha-c->jm_: it would appear to be on. so, what's up with, in theory, the kernel running out of memory and booting the machine?
02:09<jm_>samantha-c-: I am not familiar with kernel internals, try to google for the error you get or ask on lkml
02:10<sney>something made it think it has more memory than it really does?
02:10<sney>if it tried to address memory that doesn't exist it could create all kinds of weird issues
02:10<jm_>it might be something like it trying to allocate non-highmem memory when it's not available, or vice versa
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02:11<jm_>I forgot which file in /proc they always ask for in such cases, /proc/meminfo or zoneinfo maybe
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02:12<samantha-c->the support guy pointed to /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes but i can't figure out (yet) where to tune this value
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02:13<samantha-c->pointers welcome :-)
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02:14<jm_>the place to tune it is /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
02:15<jm_>you can echo the value in that file, see Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt
02:15<samantha-c->./proc editing survives reboots?
02:15<jm_>no, for that it's better to place it in say /etc/sysctl.conf
02:15<sney>if my running kernel kept running out of swap, I would probably create a big empty file and turn it into another swap, but I'm a workaround kinda guy.
02:16<sney>I would also try to figure out why it needed all that memory in the first place.
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02:17<samantha-c->i've got it doing a hash check of 20+g torrents. at least, when the hash check proceeds, that's when it reboots. when i don't load the client, it does okay.
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02:18<samantha-c->this was supposed to be a dedicated server. i'm surprised to learn it's actually a VM.
02:18<sney>that's called a VPS - virtual private server
02:19<samantha-c->not the setup i was expecting.
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02:19<stuckey>decss is distributed by debian?
02:20<jm_>stuckey: dmm has that AFAIK
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02:20<sney>yeah, dmm has a lot of the questionably legal stuff
02:20<stuckey>libdvdcss2 is the same thing or?
02:20<samantha-c->go do a package search there.
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02:20<sney>related in one way or another, at least
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02:21<samantha-c->so what should min_free_kbytes set to?
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02:25<zxd_>is it possible to load a rescue image from the HD, say on /boot partition
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02:32<Brodziak>hello :) i mounted that partition this morning :)
02:33<sney>don't mind sney tonight, he is useless
02:33<Brodziak>mount -t ntfs-3g -o uid=elf /dev/hda5 /mnt/data -o force made the partition work
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02:39<Brodziak>how ca i make "Flash DUG" work? its used to watch yt videos
02:39<Brodziak>i got it in sources
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02:42<jm_>zxd_: what do you mean with load a rescue image?
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02:50<Brodziak>how ca i make "Flash DUG" work? its used to watch yt videos (i got it in sources already)
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02:58<firefox>sney, where did you see tht WoW performs better under wine? think you lose visuals because running in opengl.. that might be one reason? I was just wondering because I am going to try it
02:59<sney>firefox: personal experience only, dual booting on the same machine. yes, some visuals are lost in opengl mode, but it's fairly minor, and I was astonished at how the framerate stayed sane in places like Stormwind
03:00<firefox>sney, lol... well as soon as they update dmraid for my setup I am going to try it out.
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03:01<zxd_>jm_, maybe set up a very small distro on /boot using deboostrap with encryption tools and all 100MB in size possible?
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03:02<jm_>zxd_: isn't it better to simply use stuff like grml?
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03:04<zxd_>jm_, is it smaller than 100MB ?
03:04<zxd_>jm_, can boot from HD with grub?
03:05<jm_>zxd_: it comes in several sizes, small, medium and normal -
03:05<firefox>so I have a laptop thats just acting like an access point. I thought I set it up right but it seems like the HD is always on... whats the right swapiness and hdparm to make it stay off as much as possible? (but still be fnctional)
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03:06<zxd_>I need to set up a very small distro to boot , so I can encrypt the root filesystem
03:06<sney>if it's just an access point you probably don't need swap at all.
03:06<jm_>firefox: read the laptop mode kernel document
03:06<valdyn>firefox: laptop-mode-tools is one package
03:06<firefox>kk ty
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03:10<dbldtx> ~ so then the problem I'm having is a bug --- I get the same thing
03:10<dbldtx>dpkg squeeze nvidia, couple different websites, do I just wait until the bug is handled?
03:10<dpkg>I think you lost me on that one, dbldtx
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03:12<jm_>dbldtx: did you notice the last mail in that bug report?
03:12<topro>hi, which channel to ask for problems with recently upgraded freeglut version in debian squeeze?
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03:13<dbldtx>Yes. I facepalmed - I hate to plague this channel with my idiocy. I am trying it now.
03:13<jm_>so you need nvidia stuff from sid - start with nvidia-kernel-source package, but also download nvidia-glx deb but don't install it yet
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03:14<dbldtx>I will master Debian yet -- I have many years ahead of me. How do I download it but not install it? Don't apt-get it?
03:14<jm_>I recommend to go to with your browser and find it
03:15<dbldtx>jm_ I am a bit confused, when WOULD I install it, then? Just after the other packages are installed/
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03:16<jm_>dbldtx: install what?
03:16<ml|>dbldtx: just follow nvidia squeeze info from dpkg
03:17<dbldtx>jm_ if I follow you: follow nvidia squeeze infor from dpkg with SID repos.
03:18<jm_>dbldtx: I recommend not to add sid repos to sources.list but just download individual packages with your browser as per above
03:19<dbldtx>jm_; and then dpkg -i them once I have them?
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03:20<jm_>dbldtx: yes, but not all of them immediately, the order is like so: 1. install nvidia-kernel-source, 2. build the module with m-a, 3. install the package it builds (I forgot it it gets installed automatically), 4. install nvidia-glx, 5. configure things if needed
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03:21<dbldtx>jm_ thank you all for the help
03:21<jm_>dbldtx: no worries
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03:21<dbldtx>jm_, last question, should I install nvidia-kernel-source from SID version?
03:22<jm_>dbldtx: yes, all from sid
03:22<dbldtx>jm_, ml|; thank you both.
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03:24<zxd_>is it possible to resize a live system mounted readonly ? ext3
03:24<zumbi>hi! I have the following apache2 log ( Is there something I should worry about? What exactly means lines 1-3?
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03:31<dbldtx>I love you all, you know that?
03:31<dpkg>Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 262 (2010-03-30).
03:32<Brodziak>do you know any good music player? (at least mp3)
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03:32<dbldtx>Small, POWERFUL
03:32<franki^>mplayer :P
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03:32<Brodziak>they are NOT command line type?
03:32<dbldtx>XMMS people use on gnome but I've never liked that. I HAVE liked using mplayer - I use the SMPlayer package frontend
03:33<franki^>I use SMPlayer too.
03:33<dbldtx>VLC and mplayer (SMPLAYER!) are graphical
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03:35<Brodziak>i installed quark but it seems to not work
03:35<Brodziak>i gonna try vlc first
03:36<franki^>In my experience, mplayer can play anything that you throw at it, YMMV.
03:36<dbldtx>VLC is so brutally awesome that sometimes I dream of it's API and wake up bleeding.
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03:40<Brodziak>its working (vlc) but sound quality kinda sux :(
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03:49<lau>hello, I am trying to install several instances of mysql on my machine
03:49<lau>according to /etc/init.d/mysql :
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03:49<lau># NOTE: Copying this script and changing the CONF variable here isn't
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03:50<lau># enough to run multiple instances of mysqld. Debian
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03:50<lau># currently support such a configuration out of the box.
03:50<lau>do you have any directions to point me to in order to set up multi instances mysql on my debian server ?
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04:06<tzafrir>lau, apt-get install mysql-server
04:06<tzafrir>ah, multiple instances, sorry
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04:08<Brodziak>do you know any good video player? playing avi, rmvb and others?
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04:11<saste>hi all I have this strange issue with squeezy and linux headers m-a
04:12<saste>i guess this may be a bug
04:12<saste>uname -r => 2.6.32-trunk-686
04:12<saste>then if i do m-a prepare he complains: E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686
04:13<jm_>no it's not an issue with squeeze, it's a PEBKAC issue
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04:13<saste>indeed there is no such package... the name of the actual package is without the "-trunk" stuff
04:14<saste>jm_: i hope so anyway this is wasting my time
04:14<jm_>saste: use the kernel package that is available in squeeze and you'll also find kernel headers package for it
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04:16<saste>jm_: i'm pretty sure i'm using the squeeze repo, but there is no such linux-header-2.6.32-trunk-6 package
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04:16<gsimmons>judd: kernel --release squeeze
04:16<judd>Available kernel versions are: squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9)
04:16<jm_>saste: once more, use the kernel package that is available in squeeze
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04:18<saste>jm_: well I'm puzzled what "use the kernel package" in this case means? rtfm are welcome provided you tell me which man to read :-)
04:19<jm_>saste: install it, boot with it
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04:19<jm_>saste: see above, judd mention exact package name - 686 might differ for you, but it gives you enough informatino to find one
04:19<tzafrir>saste, 2.6.32-3 is newer than 2.6.32-trunk
04:20<jm_>ahh no 686 is even the right one
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04:21<dbldtx>I had a similar ID ten T error moments ago, same kernel.
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04:21<tzafrir>saste, if you really must use the -trunk kernel, see
04:22<tzafrir>however, if you can afford a reboot, it is recomended to switch to a newer kernel
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04:23<saste>tzafrir: ok i'll do that possibly i'm just running the wrong kernel I cannot reboot just now, i'll do in few hours
04:23<saste>anyway thanks for the help guys
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04:24<tzafrir>saste, please make sure that the -3 kernel is the default one you boot to
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04:34<miguel000>I set up aVirtualBox and am forwarding some ports to my host machine, so I can access the apache, and ssh inside the box., but i seems i get no data BACK from the vbox
04:34<miguel000>do i need to open some ports explicitly in my host system too?
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04:38*handheldCar thinks you can bypass that real-world networking stuff w/ VBox. see pdf manual
04:38<KEVIN>I've figured out that I have a Broadcom 4311 pci - I tried the b43 legacy thing and ndiswrapper yet my wireless still will not work... next step?
04:39<miguel000>handheldCar, still I have to define guest and host ports to map them, and usually this should be enought
04:40<dpkg>[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. #bcm-users on
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04:40<handheldCar>miguel000: okay, I did it the old fashion way, so not totally familiar w/ the port stuff.
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04:40<jm_>KEVIN: what does lspci -nn say for it?
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04:41<miguel000>habtool, : what do you mean by old fashion?
04:41<miguel000>maybe i can tray it too
04:41<miguel000>s/habtool/ handheldCar
04:41<jm_>KEVIN: did you also install b43-fwcutter package?
04:42<handheldCar>miguel000: I mean I didn't know about Vbox's easy way. I set up bridged networking and connected to it like an external computer.
04:42<jm_>ahh it says 4311 is unsupported, so it looks like you might need to follow the "wl" info
04:43<gsimmons>jm_: 4321 != 4311 :)
04:44<samantha-c-> is there a way to get sshd to completely stop disconnecting idle clients? like, forever, once and for all? i've never been able to make the timeout thing work right
04:44<jm_>gsimmons: duh, I am going blind
04:44<miguel000>handheldCar, : ah ook
04:44<miguel000>Ill do that to , when everything else fails
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04:50<KEVIN>I apologize jm_
04:51<jm_>KEVIN: ok good, where are you stuck? did b43 module load?
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04:52<KEVIN>I believe that one did... I tried several different things. Is there a way to double check that it loaded?
04:52<jm_>KEVIN: lsmod|grep 43
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04:57<KEVIN>root@debian:/home/kevin# lsmod|grep 43
04:57<KEVIN>acpi_cpufreq 4943 0
04:57<KEVIN>fuse 43750 1
04:57<KEVIN>snd 34363 11 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
04:57<KEVIN>ssb 33443 0
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04:57<nathan_>hi, can i get the same behavor with promisc mode than monitor mode?
04:58<nathan_>cause i think by network card support promisc but not monitor mode
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04:58<jm_>!tell KEVIN -about paste
04:59<KEVIN>jm_: sorry, new to the game
04:59<nathan_>KEVIN, ask dpkg
04:59<jm_>KEVIN: it would be better if I said "|grep b43" :)
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05:01<KEVIN>jm_: okay that printed nothing so, I'm assuming that means it isn't there?
05:01<jm_>KEVIN: indeed, what happens if you say modprobe b43?
05:01<jm_>KEVIN: also, dpkg -l|egrep 'b43|less-tools'
05:03<KEVIN>jm_: for modprobe it says WARNING: all config files need .cfg - then something about a blacklist
05:03<jm_>KEVIN: what exactly is that blacklist related message?
05:04<jm_>perhaps look at dpkg -l output first
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05:07<KEVIN>root@debian:/home/kevin# modprobe b43 WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. it will be ignored in a future release.
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05:07<jm_>ignore those lines about .conf
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05:08<jm_>so if that's all there is to it, proceed with running the above dpkg -l command
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05:09<KEVIN>okay, I ran the longer 'less-tools' one already and that is pasted here
05:09<KEVIN>running the other now.
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05:11<KEVIN>when I run dpkg -1 it returns -1 as an invalid option?
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05:11<gsimmons>KEVIN: It's 'dpkg -l' (lowercase L), not 1.
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05:11<KEVIN>gsimmons: thank you sir.
05:12<jm_>KEVIN: note that you have to give us an URL for your pastes, we don't know where you put it or what its ID is
05:12<KEVIN> --- Like that one? or more info?
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05:13<jm_>you need to replace -1 with -l (again, lowercase -L)
05:13<KEVIN>jm_: ah. I guess that makes sense. =)
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05:14<KEVIN>jm_: the dpkg -l returns a very long list is there a way to write to a gedit document?
05:14<KEVIN>it runs off the terminal
05:14<jm_>KEVIN: that's why I gave you this command: dpkg -l|egrep 'b43|less-tools'
05:14<jm_>use it exactly like this and press enter
05:15<KEVIN>jm_: ah, I misunderstood - I appreciate the patience
05:15<jm_>KEVIN: but yes, it's possible to redirect it to a file or use a pager - you shall read some newbie guides once you're done with this
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05:16<jm_>KEVIN: make sure to use ' and not ` character
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05:16<jm_>or use ""
05:16<KEVIN>got it.
05:18<KEVIN>jm_: that returns; ii wireless-tool 30-pre9-4 Tools for manipulating Linux wireless extentions
05:18<jm_>KEVIN: but not anythjing about uncutter?
05:18<jm_>sorry about fwcutter
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05:19<KEVIN>this is true.
05:19<jm_>KEVIN: you need to install this package too
05:20<KEVIN>jm_: okay, sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter? - that do the trick?
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05:20<jm_>KEVIN: will that work without wlan card working? if so then yes, go ahead
05:21<jm_>KEVIN: are you using ubuntu?
05:21<KEVIN>no, I'm using Debian Squeeze - I converted just the other day from Ubuntu
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05:22<KEVIN>I'll be back, need to go hardwire myself in and try to download this
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05:27<twb>I'm confused by anacron. It looks like it doesn't have a daemon; it only starts at boot.
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05:28<twb>Doesn't that mean that a system that reboots, say, once a month will have its @daily jobs skipped?
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05:29<nathan_>hi, can i get the same behavor with promisc mode than monitor mode?
05:29<twb>Oh, hmm, there's a daily anacron invocation at 7:30AM in /etc/cron.d/anacron
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05:36<KEVIN>jm_: I'm going to have to try and put it on a flashdrive and transfer it that way the apt-get returned "E: could not find package b43-fwcutter"
05:36<gsimmons>KEVIN: That package is in contrib, you will need to amend your /etc/apt/sources.list file ; /msg dpkg contrib
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05:37<KEVIN>gsimmons: grateful to you
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05:42<jm_>twb: so that thing is a suplement to cron then I guess
05:43<twb>jm_: anacron's job is to go "oh, I've just booted after being off for the weekend. I'll run any jobs that cron WOULD HAVE run last weekend".
05:44<jm_>twb: yup
05:44<twb>But I was confused, because it looked like it would only do that at boot -- but it's cron.d job makes it run at least once a day
05:44<jm_>stuff that regular cron doesn't handle
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05:51<kevin>still trying to figure out this download, I know I need to modify the source.lst but I'm not sure with what url
05:52<jm_>append " contrib non-free" to the end of your existing line(s) without ""
05:52<twb>sed -i /etc/apt/sources.list -e 's/main/& contrib non-free/'
05:53<jm_>or download it with your browser - you have the URL on the wiki page you looked at earlier and install it with dpkg -i
05:53<nathan_>hi, can i get the same behavor with promisc mode as the monitor mode?
05:53<twb>nathan_: what behaviour?
05:53<nathan_>twb, behavior*
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05:54<twb>nathan_: I'm not .usian.
05:54<jm_>i think he was correcting his own mistake ;)
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06:00<kevin>hmm... I saved it and typed in tar -xjvf /path/to/broadcom-wl- and it was saying the file isn't recoverable.
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06:00<kevin>haha, I'm a moron
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06:00<jm_>you need to download fwcutter deb package
06:01<jm_>no the wl thing
06:01<jm_> click on your arch link
06:03<kevin>-- how do I know which is my arch? - yeah I need to read some noob manuals
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06:03<jm_>run "dpkg --print-architecture"
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06:05<kevin>very interesting
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06:06<nathan_>kevin, what are you trying to do?
06:07<kevin>nathan_: get my wireless working - jm_ and gsimmons are awesome peoples
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06:07<nathan_>kevin, it work?
06:08<kevin>not yet.
06:08<nathan_>i avec BCM4312 network card and install b43-fwcutter dit not work
06:09<nathan_>kevin, what is your network card?
06:09<jm_>he has 4311 - I noticed the wiki says one need 2.6.32 and something from git for some version of 4312
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06:10<linux-fox>hello, everyone
06:10<dpkg>Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver. The BCM4312 low-power PHY (PCI-ID 14e4:4315) is supported as of Linux 2.6.32, see to provide the required firmware (firmware-b43-lpphy-installer available in sid). Lenny users: for 2.6.32 kernel image packages, ask me about <bpo>. For BCM4312 LP-PHY support in earlier kernels, ask me about <wl>.
06:11<kevin>okay, I've got the download - now what should I do with it?
06:11<jm_>transfer it to your laptop
06:11<linux-fox>i am using debian 5.0 / lenny , my harddisk is 2T
06:11<nathan_>in this case you can go here and read (wireless section) and
06:12<nathan_>(if installing b43-fwcutter don't work)
06:12<linux-fox>mke2fs is so slow
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06:12<kevin>okay and now how unpack it? jm_ you're getting me there! I'm a slow student but I'll learn
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06:13<nathan_>kevin, compile no?
06:13<jm_>kevin: dpkig -i b43-fwcutter*deb
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06:14<kevin>jm_: cannot access archive: No such file or directory
06:14<nathan_>kevin, what kernel you are using?
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06:15<jm_>kevin: what did you download?
06:15<linux-fox>i am installing debian lennny in my raid disk of 2T , it is so slow, why ?
06:15<jm_>kevin: and yes, the command should be "dpkg -i b43-fwcutter*deb", sorry
06:16<kevin>nathan_: squeeze
06:16<nathan_>kevin, the kernel version not the debian version
06:16<nathan_>a 2.6.32?
06:16<kevin>nathan_: no clue sir. haha
06:16<twb>linux-fox: fakeraid or md raid?
06:17<nathan_>kenyon, type uname -r in a shell
06:17<nathan_>and let the magic take place
06:17<linux-fox>twb: LSI raid 1
06:17<twb>linux-fox: what is LSI?
06:17<nathan_>kevin, *
06:18<kevin>nathan_: 2.6.32-3.686
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06:18<nathan_>kevin, ok
06:18<kevin>jm_: I retyped just and it still says problems
06:19<nathan_>kevin, what you have typed?
06:19<linux-fox>twb: it is chipset of raid
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06:19<twb>linux-fox: how much did you pay for your RAID card?
06:19<kevin>dpkg -i b43-fwcutter*deb
06:19*dpkg removes a lung from kevin and replaces it with b43-fwcutter*deb
06:19<themill>kevin: did you copy the fwcutter .deb over to the laptop? Where did you copy it to?
06:20<linux-fox>twb: it is not my server
06:20<linux-fox>i help other to build his server
06:20<nathan_>are you sure to use the command in the good location kevin ?
06:20<twb>linux-fox: if it cost less than $500, it is fakeraid and should not be used.
06:20<kevin>themill: its in my /home/kevin/Downloads
06:20<jm_>kevin: what exactly does it say? can you paste the entire terminal output to a pastebin?
06:21<themill>kevin: are you running "dpkg -i" while being in that directory?
06:21<kevin>jm_: yes sir.
06:21<linux-fox>why is it so slow to format it ?
06:21<jm_>kevin: first check what themill asked above
06:21<kevin>themill: double checking
06:21<jm_>linux-fox: is it perhaps running mkfs -c ?
06:21<twb>linux-fox: because it's using the CPU and main memory instead of a dedicated coprocessor and dedicated memory.
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06:22<kevin>themill: that was the problem
06:22<twb>Also because mke2fs is Θ(n), but that's not important right now.
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06:22<kevin>anyone else think I need some good noob literature? haha
06:22<twb>kevin: yes
06:22<kevin>twb: thank you sir.
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06:23<kevin>jm_: that seems to have gone perfectly now.
06:23<twb>Maybe even a distro that does more hand-holding
06:23<jm_>twb: nice utf-8 skills :)
06:23<kevin>themill: thanks
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06:23<twb>jm_: Emacs has a TeX input method
06:23<jm_>kevin: good, now try to modprobe b43 again
06:23<jm_>twb: heh
06:23<linux-fox>twb : i install freebsd in the raid , it is so quick
06:24<twb>linux-fox: I don't care.
06:24<kevin>WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, it will be ignored in a future release.
06:24<miguel000>my virtual box is listening on channel 8080 and forwarnindg everything to the guest system on port 80, however i can only connect but get no data back. Is it possible that i need to open port 8080 in some way on my debian host system?
06:24<miguel000>and how can I accomplish this?
06:24<kevin>jm_: that was the return from modprobe b43
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06:25<kevin>jm_: I'm thinking this might have solved everything be right back, must test
06:26<jm_>kevin: now run lsmod|grep b43
06:26<kevin>jm_: will do
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06:36<kevin_>jm_: my apologies, internet gave out - had to reboot
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06:42<nathan_>jm_, the kevin's wireless work?
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06:43<KEVIN>jm_: okay lsmod turned up a b43 result
06:43<jm_>KEVIN: ok, so now you can proceed configuring it
06:44<KEVIN>jm_: it's saying on my laptop that I am connected wirelessly but it's not doing allowing any internet activity, even when hardwired in
06:45<jm_>KEVIN: - I am not really familiar with wireless
06:45<KEVIN>jm_: well sir, I've really appreciated your help!
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06:46<jm_>KEVIN: but iwconfig, ifconfig, route -n shall clarify how you are connected and where traffic goes
06:46<KEVIN>jm_: alright, I'm going to have to go see about these
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06:49<dbldtx>Does anybody here use Debian with x.400, x.500?
06:49<dbldtx>Or even x.509 for that matter?
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06:53<dbldtx>jm_, you don't sleep do you? I think you singlehandedly do a LOT for the Debian community, I mean REALLY.
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06:53<jm_>dbldtx: I am in Europe so at work now
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06:55<dbldtx>Very cool - keep doing it.. I hope to aspire to that level
06:55<dbldtx>Had a shakey few years but really want to get into this - I am dedicated - SUCK at coding but I will help out somehow eventually
06:56<KEVIN>can anyone point me to a document on how to remove b43 from blacklist?
06:56<jm_>KEVIN: blacklist is a text file, is your b43 module mentioned in it or what?
06:57<jm_>ohh that means any (decent) text editor shall handle it
06:57<raccoon>KEVIN: edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf with your editor of choice.
06:57<KEVIN>jm_: I'm thinking I was told to blacklist b43 in the install of ndiswrapper (before you helped me) I'll have to check the file
06:57<KEVIN>raccoon: thank you sir.
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06:58<jm_>KEVIN: right, "cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" and see
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06:58<jm_>or grep for it
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07:01<KEVIN>jm_: yeah, it's blacklisted... so follow what raccoon said and just go through and delete?
07:01<jm_>KEVIN: yes
07:01<KEVIN>jm_: wonderful
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07:02<jm_>but if lsmod shows it then it's not properly blacklisted so no harm done
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07:09<miguel000>how can i allow communication on specific ports and interfaces?
07:09<petemc>miguel000: whats stopping that currently?
07:10<miguel000>I do not know. its just the debian out of the box
07:10<petemc>then there should be nothing stopping it
07:11<miguel000>is everyone allowed to launch applications that listen on a given port?
07:11<petemc>only root can use ports < 1024
07:11<miguel000>in my case I start virtual box
07:11<miguel000>and it uses 2222 and 8080
07:11<miguel000>so it should be fine
07:11<mjt>my system reboots when running `/etc/rcS.d/udev start' -- apparently when loading some module. What's the "usual" procedure to debug it?
07:12<mjt>(2.6.32 kernel(
07:13<KEVIN>jm_: Thank you so much. It is working. I don't know what I would have done if you and everyone else hadn't decided to help me.
07:14<jm_>KEVIN: enjoy
07:14<KEVIN>jm_: I will sir. Do you happen to have any recommendations for noob lit?
07:15<noflash>!tell KEVIN -about documentation
07:15<bremner_>mjt: maybe kerneloops helps
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07:16<KEVIN>noflash: cheers
07:16<mjt>there's no oops as far as i can see. or even if it is, the system reboots too fast for anything to trigger
07:16<mjt>(it's like hitting reset button)
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07:17<dpkg>rumour has it, newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/)
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07:17<jm_>!newbie guide
07:17<darrob>hi. what could be the reason that iptables rules seem to be ignored (lenny). the exact same rules/steps (flush, then add a drop rule) work just fine in a VM and look identical in iptables-save.
07:17<jm_>!tell KEVIN -about grounding
07:18<Bacteria>!tell KEVIN -about grooming
07:18<KEVIN>you guys and your tells haha
07:18<twb>In aptitude, how can I see the urgency of updates, as seen in the debian/changelog ?
07:18<jm_>mjt: does it display any messages before that?
07:18<mjt>jm_: not as far as i can see. I'm trying netconsole, maybe that'll help...
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07:19<twb>I basically want aptitude to put urgency=low updates in a separate subtree, so I can focus on the other ones
07:20<themill>twb: that information isn't in the Packages file so it's not available to aptitude
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07:21<twb>themill: bummer, I was afraid of that
07:21<themill>!es-social linda
07:21<dpkg>linda: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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07:21<anita>i tu
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07:22<jm_>to continue the spanish theme: jaja
07:22<themill>linda, anita: /join #debian-es-cachondeo
07:22<Brodziak>there is any open office kind?
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07:23<twb>Brodziak: what does that mean?
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07:23<nathan_>Brodziak, open office is toolchain
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07:23<Brodziak>yeah i mean that
07:23<nathan_>Brodziak, with many soft like text editor etc...
07:24<Brodziak>whats the package name?
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07:24<jm_>it's in many packages
07:24<Brodziak>i meant
07:24<nathan_>Brodziak, ha, go the official website
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07:24<Brodziak>it can be downloaded as .deb?
07:25<twb>Brodziak: if you "aptitude install", you will get the full suite.
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07:25<Brodziak>ok, thats what i was thinking about. Thank you :)
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07:25<twb>You might need to install locales separately; it probably defaults to English
07:26<Brodziak>i know english language too :)
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07:28<twb>I remain unconvinced.
07:28<riisen>Brodziak, wget (för 32bitars verision byt ut linuxX86-64 mot LinuxIntel) annars om du vill ha svenska .deb packet :P
07:29<twb>riisen: please don't encourage users to install third-party packages unless absolutely necessary.
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07:30<riisen>twb, ok sry
07:31<twb>riisen: no problem.
07:31<Brodziak>i used aptitude install :)
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07:32<themill>Brodziak: you may want to look at, where you will find OOo 3.2 for lenny.
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07:34<Brodziak>i just need it to view the studies schedule :)
07:35<twb>Brodziak: if you only need to view Word documents, there might be smaller tools that suffice.
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07:46<Brodziak>just installed it :) thank you for help
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07:54<staleand>I have a NAS server that I want to run a cron job on
07:54<staleand>What I want to do basicly is that at a certain time and date the cron job searches for specified filetypes (eg. .avi) and then if it finds something in folder X or any of its subdirs it will then move the file from folder x/x to folder y and afterwards delete folder x/x
07:54<staleand>If any kind soul in here would help me on this matter I would be delighted :)
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07:55<petemc>staleand: google for "find mv" and you'll find plenty of sample scripts
07:55<staleand>I have this one
07:55<staleand>46 2 * * * root find /media/BitTorrent -iname '*.avi' -exec mv '{}' /media/Videos/ \;
07:56<staleand>in /etc/crontab
07:56<staleand>wich works
07:56<staleand>problem is that it doesnt delete the subdir witch it found the .avi file in. :(
07:58<staleand>My english isn't that great, so I'm sorry if you didn't understand what I ment
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08:02<jimmy_>can someone give me some direction as to how to get hwmon working with a dell motherboard?
08:02<jm_>staleand: write a script that parses out dir name from it (i.e. dirname command) and handle it there
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08:03<jm_>jimmy_: what kind of CPU is it?
08:03<staleand>jm_: Thank you very mutch, I think dirname cmd is exactly what I'll need for a usefull bash script. Again, thanks.
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08:07<staleand>There isn't any easier way to get the job done than making a script, I think I suffer from braindamage. Low IQ etc. :(
08:08<Brodziak>i got problem: You have outdated NVIDIA drivers. Please upgrade your drivers to version 30.82 or later.
08:08<Brodziak>how to do this? :)
08:08<jm_>Brodziak: which nvidia card?
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08:10<Brodziak>or wait
08:10<Brodziak>what was the command to see what i got inside pc?
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08:10<staleand>radeon is ati :)
08:11<Brodziak>sorry its Radeon X1650
08:11<jm_>radeon driver handles those
08:11<Brodziak>i used lspci -nn :)
08:11<Brodziak>but why theres a error like this?
08:12<Brodziak>any idea how to update the driver?
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08:14<jm_>I have no idea why anyone would try to use a nvidia driver on a system with ATI card
08:15<Brodziak>i dont know why too
08:15<Brodziak>but i am checking the amd web for drivers... (hope they got drivers for debian/linux)
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08:15<gsimmons>Brodziak: At least state the name of the application producing the error.
08:16<Brodziak>its wine+ Lineage 2 (hellbound client)
08:17<Brodziak>when launching game, there is a error with agp (can be ignored) and after screen becomes black (loading game) it popup an error with this...
08:18<Brodziak>You have outdated NVIDIA drivers. Please upgrade your drivers to version 30.82 or later.
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08:19<jm_>Brodziak: you got that wine+ thing somewhere other than debian, right?
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08:20<twb>jm_: maybe he just means "wine and <a windows application>"
08:20<Brodziak>yes, Lineage2 is windows game
08:20<Brodziak>designed for windows... its mmo
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08:21<jm_>twb: right, wine + lineage I suppose
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08:22<Brodziak>wine + game
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08:22<Brodziak>what is .run format?
08:22<jm_>Brodziak: note that this is not supported in debian
08:22<dpkg>[fglrx] "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. The fglrx-driver version in <testing> supports Xorg 7.5 (Xserver 1.7). #ati on
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08:23<jm_>Brodziak: .run usually means you can run it like an executable
08:23<Brodziak>if i run it, it might work?
08:23<Brodziak>how do you think?
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08:24<jm_>I recommend you follow the above Debian guide to install non-free driver
08:25<Brodziak>in their web is said: "Operating System(s): Linux x86; Linux x86_64 "
08:25<jm_>whether it helps or not - I have no idea, I don't have any ATI cards
08:25<twb>They're an enemy of your freedom.
08:25<twb>RMS said it, so it must be true
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08:26<jm_>not to worry since I have nvidia cards :)
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08:26<staleand>46 2 * * * root find /media/BitTorrent -iname '*.avi' -exec mv '{}' /media/Videos/ \; in /etc/crontab shouldnt it be possible to use xargs and modify this code a bit to make it delete the folder it found each of the .avi files in after it mv'd the files to /media/Videos ?
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08:26<allan__>oi gente
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08:28<Brodziak>how do you think? it may work?
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08:28<jm_>try it, in worst case you'll uninstall it
08:28<twb>Worst case is it works, but you have to do a dance every time you upgrade a kernel
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08:29<twb>Best case is you take the hardware back to the store and get a refund, punishing the manufacturer in an infinitesimal way for being assholes.
08:30<twb>staleand: there's a cheapass way to do that.
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08:30<twb>staleand: have a second job that does find /srv/media -type d -exec rmdir -p {} + 2>/dev/null
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08:31<staleand>twb: your my hero :)
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08:31<staleand>twb: btw damn your a fast problem solver :)
08:31<twb>It will race with the other, but not disasterously so, unless you really will be screwed by temporarily empty dirs
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08:32<staleand>twb: thanks! I'll test it now.
08:32<twb>staleand: it's an idiom I use elsewhere; in porn-leeching automation scripts
08:33<staleand>twb: lol, i like your style
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08:33<Brodziak>aptitude update && aptitude install fglrx-modules-2.6-$(uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,') fglrx-control fglrx-driver
08:33<Brodziak>uname need to stay like this
08:34<twb>Brodziak: um, can't m-a or dkms do this for you?
08:34<Brodziak>what you mean?
08:34<twb>Never mind, I don't want to touch ATI crap
08:35<gsimmons>Brodziak: The fglrx module has pre-built module packages available in Lenny. Unless you _know_ the name of the specific fglrx-modules-2.6 metapackage to install, stick to the procedure.
08:35<staleand>Haven't the ATI drivers been reverse-engineer'd?
08:35<Verre->Could someone help me? Heres the deal: I have backup script which backs up my photos to USB stick once a week. It works fine except there are certain 175 pictures that it copies everytime again and again. It should copy only ones that are new or changed. The command is cp -uRv /path/to/pictures /path/to/usbstick
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08:35<AlBaTrOs>hii everyone
08:36<mjt>solista_trumpet: it's the nvidia ones which were reverse-engeeneered
08:36<AlBaTrOs>can someone help me start http on my debian?
08:36<mjt>staleand: it's the nvidia ones which were reverse-engeeneered
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08:36<koollman>AlBaTrOs: as root: aptitude install apache2
08:36<gsimmons>twb: The fglrx crap can use dkms as of squeeze.
08:36<AlBaTrOs>already installed
08:36<koollman>AlBaTrOs: then what do you need ?
08:36<staleand>mjt: Ok, my bad. I don't use X anymore.
08:36<anita>what´s your name?
08:37<AlBaTrOs> -c <file> Specify configuration file
08:37<AlBaTrOs> -v Display version info
08:37<AlBaTrOs> -b Run icecast in the background
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08:37<bremner_>Verre-: consider using rsync instead, with the -c option
08:37<Verre->bremner_, I tried, but it does the same thing with rsync also and I can't figure out why
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08:38<bremner_>Verre-: if you use the -c option?
08:38<twb>staleand: good man!
08:38<twb>staleand: does edbrowse work for your online banking needs?
08:38<AlBaTrOs>i have http installed on the distro but i can't start it
08:38<AlBaTrOs>or how should i start it?
08:39<Verre->bremner_, I'm not sure if I tried -c option. have to try it
08:39<anita>you re fat
08:39<twb>AlBaTrOs: it's started automatically.
08:39<AlBaTrOs>apache2 start ..?
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08:39<twb>anita: better phat than flat.
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08:39<AlBaTrOs>mine is not
08:39*twb launches into beat-box imitation
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08:39<staleand>twb: I lol'd
08:39<AlBaTrOs>i've been trying to start it for several days
08:40<anita>imitation you fat ogli and silli
08:40<jm_>AlBaTrOs: it's started via init script so use that
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08:40<twb>staleand: "either I'm funny, or you're drunk! Wokka wokka wokka!"
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08:40<raccoon>Verre-: you could look into using rsync to synchronize your two directories.
08:40<staleand>twb: your funny and I'm stoned.
08:41<anita>ou yesd
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08:41<Verre->raccoon, as I said, I tried that with same result. Just not sure if I tried the -c option. trying it right now
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08:41<raccoon>Verre-: oh, right, just read that line... sorry
08:42<staleand>Shouldn't need to update crontab daemon for /etc/crontab changes to take effect? Shouldn't it happen automatically?
08:42<AlBaTrOs>ok then if you say it's started how come i can't see externaly what is in index.html from var/www?
08:42<twb>staleand: cron notices changes to /etc/crontab automatically
08:42<Brodziak>i brb soon, going to update the drivers (?) ^^
08:42<twb>staleand: I think it checksums it or so.
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08:43<staleand>How often does it checksum it? Every minute?
08:43<noflash>solista_trumpet, Sunday is over, please stop
08:43<twb>Maybe it only looks at the mtime
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08:44<anita>you re fat cow silli bad i jilipollaaa
08:44<Verre->raccoon, if I use -c option, should I also use -u ?
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08:44<noflash>anita, got a debian related question?
08:44<anita>ohh no
08:44<azeem>anita: then please either keep quiet or leave
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08:45<staleand>I know this is offtopic, lol. But does anyone know if Android has DLNA/UPNP server built-in?
08:45<azeem>what is so funny about this?
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08:47<twb>Gods, why are the e17 developers still around?
08:47<twb>"fast image manipulation programs" my ass
08:48<koollman>twb: why wouldn't they be around ?
08:48<anita>and tou?
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08:49<azeem>anita: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
08:49<azeem>please be less noise and more signal in the future, thanks
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08:50<twb>koollman: I mean I'd expect them to have moved on
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08:51<koollman>twb: there's no reason for that. They are actually being paid, now. Some of them, at least
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08:51<koollman>e17 has been adapted for various embedded systems
08:51<twb>Like how nobody seems to be working on hurd
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08:51<twb>koollman: hmm, in preference to fltk2 and gtk2-dfb?
08:52<koollman>twb: yes
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08:52<twb>I think I should be scared.
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08:52<johnfg>hi guys
08:53<johnfg>Anyone here using latexsuite with vim?
08:53<twb>I remeber trying to compile their svn code when I wanted a good laugh
08:53<koollman>iirc, some of them had a contract with motorola last year for a series of devices. I don't know about anything this year, it might still be going on
08:53<johnfg> For some reason, although I've got my .vimrc set up, it's not recognizing my .tex files, as such.
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08:55<Brodziak>well... it dont work
08:55<Brodziak>updating via things told in debian wiki
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08:58<twb>Ooh, tcc supports x86-64 now
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09:01<azeem>Brodziak: if you have a question, ask
09:02<Verre->Brodziak, tried rsync and get error: rsync error: some files could not be transferred (code 23) at main.c(1058) [sender=3.0.3]. I have no idea what that mean
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09:28<staleand>does anyone know if there is an command to see if a for example avi file is done downloading or if its still being written to?
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09:29<staleand>twb: my man:)
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09:36<falstaff|w__>I have a system here which has a "hanging network", means i cant ping it, but interface is up and all was ok until a point. But now it hangs. I can see that TX packages still count when i try to ping someone, but I don't receive anything (RX packages stays where it is). Any idea how to track down such a problem?
09:36<johnfg>Any thoughts on my vim-latex problem?
09:36<falstaff|w__>Btw, its debian lenny system
09:37<jthomas_sb>falstaff|w__ can you check to make sure its a software issue? can you release and renew your IP Address to see if that part is working, or even restart networking to see if that helps at all?
09:37<falstaff|w__>and the problem is reproducible
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09:37<falstaff|w__>jthomas_sb: i have it on at least three identical systems, so it seem its a network driver problem...
09:38<falstaff|w__>jthomas_sb: ifdown/ifup solves the problem
09:38<falstaff|w__>jthomas_sb: but its not a long term solution for me :-)
09:38<jthomas_sb>it stops working after some time?
09:39<falstaff|w__>jthomas_sb: yes, but I must admit, I have somewhat special network load....
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09:40<falstaff|w__>I send in a fast pace (5000 times a second) relative short frames to that system (less than 200 bytes)
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09:41<falstaff|w__>can I watch somehow what goes on inside the network stack?
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09:45<johnfg>What do I need to do to have vim or gvim use /etc/vim/vimrc when I start it? It doesn't use ~/.vimrc, and it doesn't at present use the system /etc/vim/vimrc.
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09:46<twb>staleand: also fuser and ss/netstat, depending on your needs
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09:47<staleand>twb: your a living man-page
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10:00<dbldtx>Using apt-get, if A depends on X, Y, & Z, can I install A, X, Y, and tell it NOT to install Z/
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10:00<themill>dbldtx: precisely what Depends line do you have?
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10:06<johnfg>I just bypassed the debian.vim and /etc/vim/vimrc, and installed vim-latex for myself.
10:07<johnfg>I wanted to use what was installed by apt, but it wouldn't work, and I couldn't figure it out.
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10:07<johnfg>No one using tex/latex/vim here maybe.
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10:08<fallback>Hello all, am trying to configure a special purpose bridge for use with several KVM guests on an internal network range and several KVM guests on an external range; is this the right place to ask?
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10:10<fallback>if not can anybody either point in the right direction?
10:10<dbldtx>themill; squeeze & nvidia, exploring other options before I try it again - linux-image 2.6.32-3-686
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10:11<themill>dbldtx: That's not an exact line... You can't avoid things in a Depends line unless they are written as "a | b". /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze
10:12<dbldtx>themill; thank you, yes, will try it again. What if I just dist-upgraded to sid SOLELY for this nvidia-glx install then dist-up(down)graded back?
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10:13<themill>dbldtx: you can't downgrade but there's no need to do so.
10:13<dbldtx>Aye aye
10:14<bzed>fallback: not before you've asked a question...
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10:19<fallback>thank you for the response; the question is how to configure a bridge that allows several KVM guests to have an external IP, and also do NAT for several KVM guests that have an internal IP
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10:19<fallback>have = are required to have
10:19<dbldtx>echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf What exactly does this do and why is Permission denied even with sudo?
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10:20<themill>dbldtx: think about what sudo is doing and what >> is doing.
10:20<dbldtx>I have */apt/apt.conf.d
10:21<dbldtx>themill; it's piping to a file - so I should create apt.conf?
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10:22<titan8990>apt.conf does not need to exist for that command. only the dir /etc/apt/
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10:22<themill>dbldtx: your command «sudo echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf» is running «sudo echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";'» and then the shell you are executing it with is trying to do «>> /etc/apt/apt.conf». See the problem there?
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10:23<themill>as for what it does, "man 5 apt.conf" explains it.
10:23<ml|>dbldtx: thought you had this working already from before, what happened?
10:23<dbldtx>Never had it working - tried 3 variations of it
10:23<dbldtx>all hung at the same spot
10:24<dbldtx>I think because I was skipping two steps (one of which is this one here)
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10:24<dbldtx>I skipped them because I didn't understand them and somehow thought they may not be required; I am so newb sometimes I think I should just use ubuntu but then that makes me feel like crying
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10:26<ml|>dbldtx: well, you skipped this step because jm_ suggested you do this manually [not adding sid repo], don't about the other you skipped
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10:27<dbldtx>I didn't understand the manual way - I am very cranky, been awake for 30 now - may just try later
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10:30<dbldtx>So just put APT::Default-Release "testing"; into apt.conf?
10:32<dbldtx># echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00defaultrelease
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10:35<dbldtx>My question is, should I use # echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00defaultrelease instead of echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf since I have an apt.conf.d but not an apt.conf? What's the difference between these two and how DO I get it to be a valid command?
10:37<themill>either file is fine to use.
10:38<dbldtx>themill; I just don't get it, then how do I compute this command?
10:38<adb> echo will create apt.conf for you
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10:38<ml|>but to keep things simple I'd just follow the dpkg factiod
10:39<dbldtx>Aye aye
10:39<themill>dbldtx: I'm not sure what your question is. If you're still struggling with sudo, then just run it as root.
10:40<dbldtx>Well it says to ask dpkg about <tum>, and when I do it says I'm going to need that string, it's step 'b)' after all
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10:40<themill>dbldtx: the factoid doesn't mention sudo anywhere. Just run the command as root.
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10:48<dbldtx>Oooooo. Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and I did not specify other valid kernel headers to use!
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10:49<dbldtx>It tells me I can either do A, which I've done, or B, which I've done. I want to off myself with a revolver.
10:49<ml|>dbldtx: what kernel are you using?
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10:49<dbldtx>ml| 2.6.32-3-686
10:50<dbldtx>Do I need to get that from SID instead of SQEEZE?
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10:51<dbldtx>That was rhetorical, I guess at this point I'm throwing stuff out I thought I knew because it's not working -- I will try again later today, I don't mean to be so cranky/like a littler girl than I am.
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10:53<ml|>judd versions linux-headers-2.6-686
10:53<judd>linux-headers-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+25; squeeze: 2.6.32+25
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10:54<ml|>dbldtx: see ^ it's in testing
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10:57<dbldtx>2.6.32-3... what does that mean that it's in testing? I am not trying to be difficult. This is easy but I do not understand what everybody keeps hinting to me -- I have gotten too many hints already. I deserved execution 10 hours ago.
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10:57<dbldtx>You are saying that I should use the 2.6-686 kernel?
10:58<ml|>dbldtx: please pastebin, that tells what you said above "Bad luck ... "
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11:00<dbldtx>Could it be because I am running everything dpkg tells me to run as sudo?
11:00<ml|>you are using a 2.6-686 kernel: 2.6.32-3-686
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11:03<dbldtx>My output is in /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-source*buildlog* and I have an avail_version and a cur_version
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11:04<ml|>dbldtx: again please pastebin the whole thing, command and all
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11:06<dbldtx> ml|, thank you
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11:09<themill>dbldtx: what's the output of: uname -r; dpkg -l 'linux-image-*'|grep ^.i
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11:11<dbldtx>Do I need to get rid of that -4-686, huh?
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11:17<ml|>dbldtx: try ... m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
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11:18<dbldtx>"Bad luck" - tells me to get the 32-3-686 headers... which I have, I'm thinking I need to uninstall that 32-4-686 that shows up in those lines themill had me run?
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11:27<nyanseik>can anyone help me please
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11:28<nyanseik>Currently I have a problem with using table in the word
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11:29<nyanseik>I apply it but it doesn't work after I save it
11:30<dbldtx>Well thank you all for the help -- any other suggestions would be great -- ya'll have a good one!
11:30<nyanseik>help me please
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11:31<ml|>dbldtx: what I suggested did not work?
11:31<dbldtx>ml| no, another fail with bad luck
11:31<nyanseik>I hope you can give me suggestion on that
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11:32<dbldtx>ml|, I ran it as sudo..
11:33<dbldtx>Yeah, got rid of linux image 2.6-4 and it still does it
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11:37<ml|>dbldtx: do you have /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/ dir?
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11:37<dbldtx>ml| no, no I do not
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12:02<Dreakon>Hey everyone, for you gamers in here, what native Linux game would you say has the most players?
12:02<Dreakon>Like, of multiplayer games.
12:02<Dreakon>lol, I tried that, there were like 3 people on :P
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12:07<Nemoder>Dreakon: most linux players or most players total?
12:08<Dreakon>Nemoder: Well, I'd prefer the game native to Linux. I can't run much through WINE. Other than that, it can be most players total.
12:09<Nemoder>Dreakon: I would say then that Heroes of Newerth wins easily. usually 30,000-40,000 players online at any given time
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12:09<Dreakon>Yikes lol
12:09<Dreakon>Oh, Heroes of Newerth? Is that the DotA type game?
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12:09<Dreakon>My laptop isn't very good. :(
12:10<Dreakon>What's second place in people playing, do you think? :)
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12:10<Nemoder>Dreakon: tough call, i'd say some of the open source games like openttd and wesnoth are up there
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12:11<prahal>hi anybody could enlighten me about dbus security preventing NM from working : ERROR (9) Rejected send message, 7 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.691" (uid=0 pid=14484 comm="NetworkManager) interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerSettings.Connection.Secrets" member="GetSecrets" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" (uid=1000 pid=5476 comm="nm-applet))
12:12<Nemoder>Dreakon: and there are RPGs like puzzle pirates that have a lot of players
12:12<prahal>is there a mean to find out the file that define the rule that prevents the send request ?
12:12<Dreakon>Nemoder: Hmm... thanks for the info. I never would've guessed openttd
12:13<prahal>ie in short I am unable to get the popup that ask for the password about the network due to this error
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12:13<prahal>thus any password protected network fails
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12:14<remi>jon debian-java
12:14<prahal>also I cannot google about this error as of the fact I added the log line for the error . By default it is translated to a failure signal that does not tell about the fact the issue comes from dbus policy
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12:30<prahal>ok got it . It is installing cnetworkmanager that breaks nm-applet dbus configuration
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13:00<portatiles>me cago en la ke os parioo
13:00<portatiles>ijos de puta
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13:00<bja>!es-social portatiles
13:00<dpkg>portatiles: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
13:02<sney>demasiado tarde
13:02<dbldtx>que triste
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13:16<sney>hi old
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13:19<nathan_>i know it's not the subject of this chan but someone know a chan about id tech 3 engine?
13:20<sney>no, but if I had to guess, I'd look on Quakenet
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13:23<old>Is it always that quiet here?
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13:24<sney>it's a support channel, so it's busy when people need help
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13:25<themill>old: it's only quiet when there are no bugs.
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13:26<old>themill: One can assume Debian is problems free. ;)
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13:27<musca>uhmmm - no!
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14:10<jay_>hello to all, I'm trying to download debian testing small cd, but I can
14:10<tzafrir>jay_, from where?
14:10<jay_>sorry, I can't seem to find it, I only see lenny,
14:11<tzafrir>(do you try to download)
14:11<tzafrir>could you please be more specific?
14:11<jay_>lemme try that
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14:14<butzE>jay_: or try that one
14:14<butzE>should be more easy to find
14:14<jay_>I went to that link already but all I find is the full 640mb cd iso, I want the small cd version
14:14<jay_>let me see that one
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14:17<old>jay_: There are the netinsts for sure:
14:18<centyx>Is there an iso that lets you download installer components from the internet instead of loading them from the cd?
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14:19<old>centyx: Yes, the netinst images.
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14:19<centyx>old: Thanks
14:20<bja>!es-social mcbeltran
14:20<dpkg>mcbeltran: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
14:20<mcbeltran>wenas wapo k aces
14:20<mcbeltran>yo nada aqui y tu
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14:20<old>centyx: If by installer components you mean packages. Installer components _are_ on netinst.
14:20<centyx>old: ah
14:20<centyx>old: I mean installer components
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14:24<johnfg>hi guys
14:25<jay_>old, it's there, thanks
14:25<johnfg>Where do I look to make sure what ports are opened with arno firewall?
14:25<johnfg>I thought sure I had 22 open for ssh, but it looks like maybe not.
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14:26<old>centyx: Even bussines card CD have installer components I think, but they do not contain base system packages. Maybe They're what you want.
14:26<old>jay_: Thank butzE. He was first to provide the link.
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14:27<old>centyx: See for details.
14:27<centyx>old: I switched to Ubuntu briefly, and there was an image ( mini.iso, held contents of netboot, ie. pxe installer ) that would download installer components from the net. I thought maybe there was something like that. It's useful when you've got a cdrom drive that will just barely boot but then not read anything off the disc.
14:27<debabrata>hi guys
14:28<centyx>johnfg: I don't know anything about arno, but iptables -L -n |grep ACCEPT should show you if it's allowing port 22.
14:28<centyx>debabrata: hello
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14:29<ciyi>hi everyone
14:29<centyx>old: perhaps the netboot installer does that, i'd just need to make an iso of it
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14:29<centyx>ciyi: hello
14:30<jay_>butzE, I see the .iso now, thank you
14:30<debabrata>I have question regarding empathy,is it the right place
14:30<old>centyx: You may want to try debootstrap. I does not require CD-ROM, but needs another system already running.
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14:30<centyx>old: i'm familiar with debootstrap. thanks though.
14:30<johnfg> centyx OK, thanks, it's accepting. What's the service for ssh? I don't find sshd.
14:30<dkr>debabrata: IRC is the absolutely wrong place to seek empathy. :p
14:30<centyx>johnfg: 'ssh'
14:31<centyx>dkr: ;-)
14:31<old>centyx: I've never tried netboot. I should read about it. ;)
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14:31<dkr>debabrata: you are welcome to ask. I hadn't even heard of that program until now but maybe someone is familiar with it
14:32<centyx>old: it's great when you want to automate installation.
14:32<debabrata>Empathy is new chat client Provided with Ubuntu 9.10
14:32<dkr>debabrata: IRC room is #empathy on Gimpnet ( irc://
14:33<debabrata>thanx Dkr
14:33<old>centyx: Can I use it to install Debian from one PC on another?
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14:34<dkr>debabrata: fyi, I used aptitude show empathy to see the program's website, and looked there for the support info is how I found that channel
14:35<johnfg>centyx, I don't have ssh in my /etc/init.d to start it up. Is it somewhere else?
14:35<centyx>old: you'd setup one pc as a server w/ dhcp/tftp ( here's where the netboot stuff goes ), and other pcs would boot off their network devices and install automatically based on whatever you define in a preseed file
14:36<centyx>johnfg: openssh-server is not installed by default
14:36<centyx>johnfg: apt-get install openssh-server
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14:36<centyx>old: it takes a bit of setup at first, but once you have it setup, it's great for churning out a bunch of identical machines
14:37<johnfg>Oops, I'd done a reinstall of lenny and didn't realize that I didn't have openssh-server reinstalled. Oy!
14:38<barry>hello folks. i have a question that kind of spans debian and ubuntu. i created a kvm virtual machine on lucid and tried to install squeeze on it. everything worked fine except i cannot get networking to work. network manager says "Wired Network -> device not managed". i've successfully installed several flavors of ubuntu on other vms on the same host. any ideas what's going wrong with debian testing?
14:38<johnfg>Thanks! Later!
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14:38<centyx>johnfg: np later
14:38<debabrata>Is it Empathy's feature that whenever we log in to the system empathy automatically sign in .Cant it be like pidgin where we should give password mannually to sign in
14:39<old>centyx: Sounds great. Unfortunatelly I need to install Debian on a single workstation. Probably better to use netinst + apt-p2p.
14:39<old>Forget I've ever said it's quiet around here. ;)
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14:40<centyx>old: yea
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14:41<valdyn>barry: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README*
14:42<barry>valdyn: thanks. looking...
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14:55<barry>valdyn: fantastic, that helped. i've got networking now. thanks
14:56<valdyn>barry: welcome
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14:58<jay_>can I ask something about awesomewm here or is there another channel for that?
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15:00<centyx>jay_: #awesome
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15:03<jay_>centyx, thanx
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15:08<AlBaTrOs>can someone help me with apache2?
15:08<AlBaTrOs>it's started ...but on localhost
15:08<AlBaTrOs>i can't acces it's contents from external
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15:09<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: working as intended
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15:09<AlBaTrOs>well i want to host a website on it...for tests but i can't see what's on it from remote server
15:09<foxfell>AlBaTrOs: by default its listening all interfaces
15:09<foxfell>check your iptables
15:10<AlBaTrOs>i have no ideea how to do that :)
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15:10<foxfell>and post ypuor туеыефе -зтд
15:10<AlBaTrOs>sorry i don't speak russian
15:10<foxfell>and post your netstat -pnl output
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15:11<AlBaTrOs>what was that site from for bigger posts?
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15:13<AlBaTrOs>doesn't work
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15:13<AlBaTrOs>can i post it in provate?
15:14<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
15:14<AlBaTrOs>oh thanks :D
15:14<AlBaTrOs>i was looking for the bot
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15:16<old>foxfell: Did you just switch to cyrylic by accident? I need to try hard to do this. I there an easy way to switch between input methods?
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15:16<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: its listening on all interfaces
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15:17<AlBaTrOs>and why can't i acces it then?
15:17<foxfell>old: yeah, i'm sorry
15:17<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: we dont know your setup, how could we guess this?
15:17<AlBaTrOs>doe debian by default install a firewall?
15:17<old>foxfell: I meant: How did you do that?
15:17<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: why would debian be the "blocker" ?
15:17<foxfell>AlBaTrOs: ::1/128
15:18<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: and no it doesnt.
15:18<AlBaTrOs>i have no ideea...just akins'
15:18<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: so tell us about your setup
15:18<foxfell>old: xorg configured to use two keyboard layout
15:18<AlBaTrOs>debian i686
15:19<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: the network, not your debian
15:19<AlBaTrOs>what about it?
15:19<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: tell us about it
15:19<AlBaTrOs>it's through a router
15:19<foxfell>old: setxkbmap -layout 'us,ru' -option 'grp:ctrl_shift_toggle'
15:19<old>foxfell: Thanks. I'm going to read about it.
15:19<valdyn>AlBaTrOs: that was easy, fix your router
15:20<AlBaTrOs>i will surely fix it :D with a damn hammer cus my project coleague doesn't let me fix it
15:20<valdyn>!port forwarding
15:20<dpkg>port forwarding is probably handled by ipmasqadm for <= 2.2.x kernels (ipmasqadm portfw -h), or by iptables -j DNAT for 2.4.x kernels (man iptables). See <transparent proxy> and <port forward> for more information.
15:20<old>foxfell: So it is that easy. Thank you very much.
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15:20<valdyn>!port forward
15:20<dpkg>Ask me about <ip forwarding> ; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j DNAT --to-destination
15:20<valdyn>to bad, this is only about linux, but you need to get this going on your router
15:20<foxfell>old: np
15:20<AlBaTrOs>ok i'll see what i can do
15:21<old>I came here to help other people and instead I lern something new. :D
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15:23<mezimezim>Sney: I asked you a question on Nvidia drivers 2 days ago (wide screen)...thanks, it now works perfect!
15:24<mezimezim>now, I'd like to know if I can use Vinagre to access my mom's computer located in a different city?
15:24<titan8990>mezimezim: your mom would have to enable port forwarding on her router if she had one
15:24<mezimezim>she has no router, direct cable connection
15:25<titan8990>mezimezim: then yes... but it might be best her PC is not fully exposed to the net
15:25<mezimezim>titan8990: I'm not sure I understand what you said last?
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15:26<foxfell>i have some problems with old nvidia proprietary drivers: 173.x.x, m-a just cannot compile them
15:26<titan8990>mezimezim: a simple NAT enabled router can help quite a bit in terms of security
15:26<valdyn>foxfell: uname -a
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15:26<mezimezim>I see
15:27<valdyn>foxfell: thats your problem, use a newer nvidia driver
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15:27<valdyn>foxfell: or an older kernel
15:27<titan8990>your also a revision behind
15:27<mezimezim>titan8990: so would the use of Vinagre pose a problem in terms of security in her case?
15:27<valdyn>judd: versions nvidia-glx
15:27<judd>nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4
15:27<foxfell>valdyn: i knew...
15:27<titan8990>valdyn: older kernel won't work with squeeze's udev
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15:27<sney>!nvidia squeeze
15:27<dpkg>non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per
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15:28<valdyn>I didnt know he was on squeeze
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15:28<sney>2.6.32 + 173 drivers
15:28<meowcats>arg my computer is crawling when doing mkvmerge :| 2% cpu usage but still makes the system sloooowwwww
15:28<sney>kernel could be packporsts though
15:28<valdyn>meowcats: your disk is thrashing
15:28<titan8990>valdyn: he might not be, I was just pointing out a potential problem. could be lenny + backports kernel
15:28<valdyn>meowcats: thats expected
15:29<old>meowcats: Try ionice.
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15:30<valdyn>meowcats: you want to do something like this on 2 seperate disks if you want it to be quick and not disruptive
15:30<valdyn>( or on ssd obviously )
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15:30<old>meowcats: Something like `ionice -c2 mkvmerge ...`
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15:31<meowcats>i have it reading from / and merging to seperate disk. did not expect such significant slowdown :o can barely open a terminal :p
15:31<valdyn>meowcats: that shouldnt be the case
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15:31<valdyn>meowcats: exotic filesystem?
15:32<meowcats>home is ext4
15:32<valdyn>meowcats: writes can also starve reads, but thats not what youre doing..
15:32<valdyn>meowcats: or is it?
15:32<meowcats>merging to ntfs partition
15:32<meowcats>ntfs drive is MUCH faster than the home
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15:32<old>meowcats: I/O intensive processes get higher priority, so they always slow the system down.
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15:33<valdyn>i dont get slowdowns really
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15:33<valdyn>meowcats: reading wrong a disk that has heavy writes going on can be very slow
15:33<valdyn>meowcats: reading *from* a disk that has heavy writes going on can be very slow
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15:34<meowcats>reading from a 'slower' ide drive, muxing to fast 1.5tb sata drive ;)
15:34<valdyn>ntfs can also be very cpu intensive, but all this doesnt seem to be relevant to your gnome-terminal being slow loading
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15:34<meowcats>everything is
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15:34<meowcats>even typing in iceweasel
15:35<valdyn>low ram too?
15:35<meowcats>4gb, htop shows ~20% usage
15:35<valdyn>meowcats: maybe you are doing ide reads without dma
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15:36<valdyn>meowcats: hdparm -d /dev/hda ( or whatever disk that is )
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15:38<meowcats>" HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device"
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15:39<valdyn>meowcats: thats ok, you have dma then
15:39<meowcats>ok :)
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15:39<valdyn>meowcats: thats only switchable on old drivers
15:40<meowcats>i see
15:40<meowcats>phew mkvmerge is finfally done. "Muxing took 1941 seconds."
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15:41<goitdadmn>could someone point me in the right direction, i'm trying to use ssh with the -R option. The man page stats, that if i use '0' as port the server will dynm. choose one for me. However ssh -p 22 XXX@localhost -i key -R 0:localhost:25 -N won't work.
15:42<meowcats>is there a way to monitor disk usage while mkverge is running?
15:42<old>meowcats: iotop.
15:42<old>meowcats: I discovered it doday and managed to prolong my battery life with it. ;)
15:43<meowcats>hehe, i will try mkvmerge again see what its doing
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15:43<old>meowcats: This time use ionice, and check if slowdowns occur.
15:44<meowcats>will try with/without
15:44<jurrehart>goitdadmn, what ssh are you using ?
15:44<goitdadmn>OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3, OpenSSL 0.9.8m 25 Feb 2010
15:45<goitdadmn>the default of squeeze
15:45<goitdadmn>is it a security thing ?
15:45<jurrehart>goitdadmn: strange my ssh man doesn't say anything about the setting port 0 on the -R option
15:45<meowcats>old: looks like its totally making out the drive io: consistently above 90%
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15:46<goitdadmn>man 1 ssh : If the port argument is ‘0’, the listen
15:46<goitdadmn> port will be dynamically allocated on the
15:46<goitdadmn> server
15:46<goitdadmn>the last paragraph on -R
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15:47<meowcats>ionice -c2 did not help much
15:47<goitdadmn>you're right on the lenny page it doesnt say
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15:48<jurrehart>goitdadmn: It seems strange to bind to a dynamic port to do traffic forwarding though
15:48<goitdadmn>thx a lot
15:48<old>meowcats: Strange. I experienced such slowdowns when compiling kernel. Using ionice enabled me to work normally.
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15:48<meowcats>old: -c3 seems to help significantly
15:49<meowcats>it could be just the aging ide drive
15:50<goitdadmn>now it's actually quite sensible for programs
15:50<goitdadmn>now = no
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15:53<goitdadmn>i mean if you need remote port forwarding for programs you often don't care what port they get, and if you want to get a free one you'd have to through the hassle to find one.
15:54<jurrehart>What i meant is that the it would create listening port chosen randomly on the remote side to be forwarded on your local host SMTP port, thus you should tell the program running on the remote side which port has been chosen.
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15:55<goitdadmn>sry misunderstood you there. This was just an example.
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15:55<old>meowcats: I forgot about -n7 switch. `ionice -c2 -n0` should work almost like `ionice -c3`, but speeds up mkvmerge a bit. I don't know if it also makes the whole system slower.
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15:57<goitdadmn>thx a log jurrehart
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15:59<jcisneros>does anyone know if this businesscard.iso found at can be burnt in a CD-R and used to install from it, or is there a special procedure to install using that image?
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16:00<sney>jcisneros: that's how it's meant to be used
16:00<sney>just burn and boot
16:00<bja>jcisneros: no special needs although if you are going to use a normal cd then net inst might be a better option
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16:00<sney>it's called "businesscard" only because it's so small it can fit on tiny business card sized CDRs
16:00<old>jcisneros: There shouldn't be a problem to burn smaller image to a bigger medium. ;)
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16:01<jcisneros>sney, bja, old, -- great, I just did not want to mess anything up, thanks
16:02<old>jcisneros: If you're not sure, use CD-RW should you have one handy.
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16:03<jcisneros>old do you know the main difference beetween the businesscard.iso and the netinst.iso?
16:03<epifanioz>hi All, i'm tring to install debian on my laptop (mac book pro 15'' 2.2)
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16:04<epifanioz>but the netinstall cd fails to configure the network :-(
16:04<old>jcisneros: Here's everything I know.
16:04<titan8990>epifanio: stop asking on multiple channels at the same time
16:04<themill>jcisneros: the businesscard iso only has the installer on it, the netinst has all the .debs to install the base syste
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16:10<kaos>hola muchach@s
16:10<kaos>alguien me puede dar una mano con hibernate o puede decirme
16:10<bja>!es-social kaos
16:10<dpkg>kaos: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador, por favor vaya a otro canal. Si necesitas soporte con Debian en Espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
16:10<Bertram>hola muchach@
16:10<kaos>donde puedo encontrar ayuda al respecto?
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16:12<jcisneros>old, themill -- I read the page now, I'll have to go with the netinst I guess, thanks to you both
16:13<old>jcisneros: Good choice.
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16:16<centyx>old: I like the business card cd, it downloads super fast and ensures I get the current packages. I also have issues w/ most of my cdrom drives anyhow.
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16:18<old>centyx: Everybody has a favourite CD. ;-) In my case an unstable connection makes me use netinst.
16:18<centyx>old: ah, yes
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16:27<mezimezim>titan8990: I have another computer at home and I'd like to try Vinagre, I have a wireless modem (from Bell Canada) that sends wifi signal and allows cable connection, I have plugged the other computer on the cable, would that work with Vinagre?
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16:28<old>mezimezim: VNC works in such setup for me. So should Vinagre.
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16:33<dr|z3d>mezimezim: One thing to bear in mind is that you'll get a separate session over VNC.. ie not the active session of the remote server.. if you want _that_, you'll probably want to install x11vnc.
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16:59<centyx>does anyone know why xlockmore is no longer packaged in debian?
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17:01<centyx>OdyX: ah, thanks
17:01<OdyX>centyx: it did never enter testing… It is _severely_ outdated
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17:13<ml|>centyx: btw do you use testing?
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17:48<ate2muchuranium>hello. I have locally installed qmail on debian lenny, but I have packages that require a MTA, which makes me install exim. How do I remove exim without removing the packages that depend on it?
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17:49<Pryon>when you say "locally installed" do you mean outside of the package management system?
17:49<bja>ate2muchuranium: you can't, either you install a different mta so dependencies are not broken o you do it by hand (dependency hell, not a nice place to be)
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17:56<ate2muchuranium>but I already have a mta installed
17:56<ate2muchuranium>it's just not one of the debian MTAs
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18:30<Father0fNine>Is there a Debian Package that will use a Windows Domain Controller for user authentication instead of... passwd/shadow file or some such?
18:32<themill>,info winbind
18:32<judd>winbind (net, optional): service to resolve user and group information from Windows NT servers. Version: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8; Size: 2862.2k; Installed: 8172k; Homepage:
18:32<Father0fNine>kewl thanks
18:32<raccoon>Father0fNine: i found a guide which is based on ubuntu, however i guess you could use it for pointers.
18:33<Father0fNine>Raccoon: danke
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18:39<Prins>Hi. Question, I'm gonna download the Debian system, but when I'm at the download page there are alpha, amd64, arm etc. What's the difference?
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18:40<nathan_>Prins, it depend of your arch
18:40<ml|>dpkg: arch
18:40<dpkg>arch is probably a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at, or, or #arch Under lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>.
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18:40<titan8990>Prins: different architectures are for different types of CPUs. ARM for example is common for cellphones and home routing equipment
18:41<nathan_>Prins, i386 is for intel x86 proc
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18:41<Prins>well, I'm gonna make a linux server
18:41<nathan_>Prins, be sure about your arch before downloading anything
18:41<Prins>So I just need something that will be able to run some server daemons, so that I can connect to it via an ssh, and use it as a vps
18:42<Prins>lol, #arch is empty :D
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18:46<ml|>Prins: what cpu/processor are you using?
18:46<Prins>one sec
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18:46<Prins>I just found an old box on the ceiling, so I don't quite know which processor that's inside of it :b
18:46<Prins>one sec
18:47<Prins>will just take a look at it
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18:51<Prins>2.40 GHz
18:54<Prins>My processor is Intel Celeron, 2.40Ghz/128/400
18:54<Prins>now can you tell me what my arch is?
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18:55<nathan_>Prins, Intel Celeron...
18:56<ml|>I doubt that can do 64bit[search around for exact specs], so go with i386
18:56<nathan_>i think you have an Intel x83 arch but i'm not sure!
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18:58<nathan_>Prins, you want to up a web server isn't it?
18:58<Prins>irc network server
18:58<eightyeight>anyone running debian gnu/kfreebsd?
18:59<dr|z3d>Celeron 2.4G? Pretty doubtful that'll be 64bit.
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19:00<nathan_>Prins, why you don't use apt to find packages?
19:01<nathan_>Prins, you re trying to get packages by the debian website
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19:01<Prins>that's correct :D
19:01<nathan_>that why you want to know what your arch is
19:02<Prins>because there are so many different
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19:02<nathan_>and the question is, why you don't use apt to find packages and why you use debian website?
19:03<nathan_>apt-get install <package_name> and it's done
19:03<ml|>Prins: just use/download the i386 iso and /msg dpkg ig
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19:04<nathan_>Prins, in fact you want to downloads a debian iso !
19:04<nathan_>and not a packages... sorry <<
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19:06<nathan_>in france it's so late
19:06<nathan_>hey, what time is it in US?
19:06<Prins> <-- there is 31 different ISO's, do I have to download them all?
19:07<ml|>no, just cd1
19:07<ml|>Prins: do you have good connection?
19:07<Prins>I think it's fine ..
19:08<ml|>if you want you can use netinst.iso instead
19:08<ml|>dpkg: netinst
19:08<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
19:08<nathan_>Prins, not fine for a beginner...
19:09<nathan_>prefer a classic install by cd or dvd
19:09<Prins>yeah, I've read about that ml| . But I think I will go for the CD install at first :)
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19:09<dpkg>[dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
19:10<ml|>Prins: whatever you do read the install guide /msg dpkg ig
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19:10<Prins>There is some sort of external wireless connection connected to the motherboard.. Will linux be able to use that for internet? Or do I have to plug in a cable?
19:10<Prins>Yes, I am reading it, ml| :)
19:11<nathan_>Prins, and ask dpkg about man
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19:11<ml|>after you have debian installed, you can setup the wireless later if that's what you want to use
19:11<Prins>lol :D I know about man (:
19:11<Prins>ok , thanks ml| :)
19:12<ml|>Prins: for later reading /msg dpkg wifi
19:13<nathan_>Prins, wifi can be a vit difficult to turn on
19:13<Prins>yea, I figured :b
19:13<nathan_>but maybe with the new kernel more network card are natively supported
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19:14<Prins>well. I'll just try it out a bit at a time :) Now, first thing I'll do is install it :D
19:15<ml|>happy reading and good luck
19:15<nathan_>Prins, for a web server wifi is maybe not a good idea
19:15<nathan_>prefer an ethernet connexion?
19:16<Prins>it is an irc network server..?
19:16<ml|>wired is always better
19:16<Prins>I think I'll use an ethernet connection at first.. then I'll see about wifi later on
19:16<Prins>Yea. I know :)
19:16<Prins>So I think I'll be using an ethernet
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19:17<nathan_>for a server is recommanded
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19:19<Prins>yea :)
19:19<nathan_>so, Prins have fun and good night!
19:19<Prins>haha tnanks :D And good night
19:20<Prins>I think I'll be heading for bed aswell now (:
19:20<nathan_>haha Prins, it's the best way to forget all the debian problems
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19:22<Prins>hehe yea :D
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19:22<Prins>Now my next problem is just to find a CD :b
19:23<Prins>but good night :)
19:23<Prins>I might come back tomorrow
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19:45<zedboy>oops :)
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20:29<phil_>How do I know if my kernel was compiled with EFI GUID Partition Support?
20:32<adb>cat /boot/config-2.6.26-2-686 | grep EFI
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20:33<Dreakon>Hey guys, what do you think are the best torrent clients for Linux?
20:33<phil_>adb: Genuis
20:33<phil_>adb: Genius
20:33<phil_>How did you know that
20:33<Dreakon>I tried Deluge, but it seems to only want to connect to 1 tracker at a time, making using public torrent sites a hassle and downloads much slower.
20:34<ml|>Dreakon: checkout rtorrent for cli client
20:34<Dreakon>Transmission is by far my favorite but the 1.9 series is banned on this private site I'm on.
20:34<dpkg>[cli] Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around. See or ask me about <general cli tutorial>. Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. Common Language Infrastructure, ask me about <mono>.
20:35<Dreakon>So through the terminal?
20:35<phil_>I can list the partitions on a disk with an EFI partition table using parted, but how do I mount one of the partitions?
20:35<ml|>Dreakon: yes
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20:35<Dreakon>I'm moreso looking for a good one with a GUI.
20:36<phil_>For instance, I am interested in partition number 2
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20:36<ml|>phil_: man mount should explain
20:36<Dreakon>I should just use Transmission, I like it. I just wish this private site I was on didn't ban it.
20:36<titan8990>Dreakon: apt-cache search torrent
20:37<phil_>ml: How do I paste in here?
20:37<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: or for pics. Use for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>.
20:38<Dreakon>is uTorrent in wine any good? I've seen people recommending that but I'm weary of using stuff through it
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20:40<ml|>I tried utorrent with wine a long time ago and it worked fine, but so as titan8990 suggested, you might something else you like
20:40<Dreakon>im also weary of installing random applications from the repo's
20:41<ml|>from debian repos?
20:41<Dreakon>not because of viruses or anything obviously lol
20:41<Dreakon>the pc just gets cluttered
20:41<Dreakon>and it seems like when I "completely remove" applications, they arent actually gone
20:42<Dreakon>or at least it seems remnants of wine were left around when I completely removed it
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20:42<bja>Dreakon: you have to purge them
20:42<ml|>if you use aptitude purge they will be, but not dot files in ~
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20:42<Dreakon>if I purge them, will they remove dependencies that I may need?
20:43<ml|>you can also aptitude purge ~c to remove old left over config files
20:43<ml|>no, only if they are not needed by anything else
20:44<Dreakon>alright, cool. cause I remember one time I started removing things and I somehow deleted wireless stuff and couldnt go online
20:44<ml|>also deborphan helpd
20:44<Dreakon>whats the command exactly for purging? "aptitude purge wine"?
20:45<ml|>right 'aptitude purge foo'
20:45<Dreakon>alrighty, ill look around for torrent clients then I guess
20:45<Dreakon>just out of curiousity, this private site supports Transmission 1.8.x?
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20:46<Dreakon>how do I downgrade if I want to?
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20:46<Dreakon>I have 1.9.2 I think
20:46<Dreakon>it came with debian testing netboot
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20:46<ml|>Dreakon: man aptitude and read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/
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20:49<ml|>Dreakon: /msg dpkg snapshot and see if an older version is there and manually install the older version, but first purge the current version
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21:02<Dreakon>lol, I just tried purging transmission-gtk
21:02<Dreakon>and its asking to remove gnome
21:02<Dreakon>thanks a lot aptitude lol
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21:03<titan8990>Dreakon: usually taken care of with some combination of aptitude install -f and aptitude keep-all
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21:06<kurumin>alguem fala port
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21:07<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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21:10<Dreakon>If I install an earlier version of something, how do I stop Debian from automatically updating it to the latest?
21:10<titan8990>Dreakon: aptitude hold
21:11<Dreakon>should I do it before I install the older .deb?
21:11<titan8990>I wasn't around for the rest of the topic...
21:11<Dreakon>lol, is that directed to me? thats alright, this is seperate lol
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21:12<Dreakon>just curious if I "hold" the package before or after I install the older version
21:12<titan8990>Dreakon: are your mixing debian releases?
21:13<ml|>you have to do that after that version is installed, man aptitude is your friend ;)
21:13<Dreakon>im looking at man aptitude, its pretty long lol :P
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21:13<Dreakon>titan8990: I dunno lol, I just want Transmission 1.8.3 instead of 1.9.2
21:13<jordanb>I'm trying to install linux-image-2.6.32-4-686 and I'm getting this error:
21:14<jordanb>Undefined subroutine &DebianKernel::DiskId::_system called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 347.
21:14<titan8990>,versions transmission-gtk
21:14<judd>transmission-gtk -- lenny: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-security: 1.22-1+lenny2; lenny-backports: 1.77-1~bpo50+2; sid: 1.92-1; squeeze: 1.92-1
21:15<ml|>Dreakon: you said you are using testing right?
21:15<jordanb> 347 _system('update-grub'); <-- This is line 347 of that file.
21:15<Dreakon>yeah, installed using Debian Testing netboot
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21:16<ml|>1.83-2 should be fine for you, but downgrading is not supported; but give it a try
21:16<titan8990>jordanb: do you use grub?
21:16<jordanb>I sure do!
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21:17<jordanb>Oh, I guess this is a bug, 576925
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21:17<sney>2.6.32-4? sid?
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21:18<sney>testing is only supposed to be up to -3
21:18<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-4-686 (2.6.32-11); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)
21:18<sney>yeah, -4 is a sid kernel
21:19<jordanb>Fuck. For some reason I do have an 'unstable' line in my sources.list
21:19<jordanb>I just did a dist-upgrade too. :<
21:19<sney>testing-unstable mix? nvidia drivers?
21:19<jordanb>No, I use this ati card.
21:19<jordanb>Not sure why I stuck unstable in there.
21:19<sney>anything in apt.conf?
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21:19<jordanb>Probably gremlins did it.
21:20<Dreakon>ml|: Any ideas where I can find a Debian compatible release of Transmission 1.8.3?
21:20<sney>but if you did a dist-upgrade with unstable in sources.list, you're now running sid, or at least mostly.
21:20<Dreakon>ml|: I tried that /msg dpkg thing but I havent had much luck lol
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21:20<jordanb>I guess if I switch back to testing and wait, it'll eventually become testing again/
21:21<ml|>unless you have /etc/apt/apt.conf setup right
21:21<jordanb>What's that?
21:21<ml|>Dreakon: you don't see a tab or window from dpkg?
21:21<titan8990>man apt.conf
21:21<jordanb>I don't have that, jsut an apt.conf.d file
21:21<sney>apt settings, you can set a default release so you can pull things from sid when you want to but not always
21:22<jordanb>Oh that's nice
21:22<sney>among other things
21:22<sney>yeah, it's handy
21:22<jordanb>I'll make one.
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21:22<ml|>jordanb: /msg dpkg tum ; but it's too late now I think
21:23<sney>well, eventually it might sort some things out
21:24<ml|>and /msg dpkg version too find out what realse you are in now
21:24<adb>, versions libc6
21:24<judd>libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; sid: 2.10.2-6; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; experimental: 2.11-0exp4
21:24<ml|>yes _it_ _might_ ;)
21:25<titan8990>!tell jordanb about unstable->testing
21:25<jordanb>Heh, it says "squeeze/sid"
21:25<ml|>dpkg: unstable->testing
21:25<dpkg>Since packages generally migrate from unstable to testing fairly regularly, downgrading from unstable to testing is sometimes possible (see <partial downgrade>). Alternatively change "unstable" to "testing" in your sources.list and wait for packages migrate; installing new packages during this time might be problematic, however. Ask me about <reinstall>.
21:25<titan8990>it says that for both testing and sid users
21:26<jordanb>I think I'm just going to remove the 'unstable' line and wait.
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21:27<Coburn>Howdy guys
21:27<Coburn>I'm having some trouble setting up rTorrent
21:27<Coburn>on Debian Squeeze
21:27<ml|>how so?
21:28<Coburn>I have all ports open and everything, but it won't connect to trackers.
21:28<Coburn>Port range is 25000 - 25075 in my config file.
21:28<ml|>ports open where?
21:28<Coburn>Ports open on DLink ADSL router.
21:28<Coburn>I can pastebin the config if you'd like
21:28<ml|>do you use a firewall also?
21:28<Dreakon>Okay, I'm trying "aptitude hold transmission-common"... why is it trying to remove 200MB worth of packages?
21:29<Coburn>Dreakon: Possibly unneeded ones?
21:29<titan8990>Dreakon: if they are packages you want to keep, use aptitude keep-all
21:29<ml|>Dreakon: to get help pastebin the whole output for better help
21:30<Dreakon>well, its like rhythmbox plugins and stuff
21:30<Dreakon>I dont really want to remove them lol
21:30<Coburn>ml|: Firewall? No... I just use the stock iptables (with no custom rules) and yes, my router has a firewall, but the ports are open
21:30<Dreakon>update-manager-gnome lol
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21:30<Coburn>Dreakon: There's your problem :P
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21:31*Coburn is too fond of apt-get over GUI update managers...
21:31<titan8990>!tell Coburn about why aptitude
21:31<ml|>Coburn: well, if you have the ports open and no firewall, it should be working fine as it does here
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21:32<Coburn>Aptitude? Bah! I wouldn't touch that in a million years! I uninstalled it for 12MB space... lol
21:33<ml|>and it should work fine without ports open, just not as good
21:33<Coburn>ml|: The box is actually my website's box, and I was thinking of setting it in the DMZ zone on my router. But could I get hacked?
21:33<Coburn>The box is fully up-to-date, and is secure (Pure-FTPD, nginx, etc)
21:34<bja>Coburn: you just have to set your ip tables policies according to that
21:34<Dreakon>Okay, I used aptitude keep-all to avoid problems, and I used aptitude hold on transmission-common and transmission-gtk.
21:34<Dreakon>How do I disable keep-all now?
21:34<bja>the DMZ zone is in case your server goes down it will not affect the rest of your network
21:35<Coburn>Downloading a torrent
21:35<Coburn>at 0.1Kb/s
21:35<Coburn>:D Finally, it worked!
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21:35<ml|>Dreakon: what version of the needed transmission packages do you have now?
21:35<Dreakon>ml|: what version of transmission? 1.83-2
21:36<ml|>ok, just wondering
21:36<Coburn>ml|: How do I set a socket so that the webserver can read/write to it?
21:36<ml|>dunno, have not done that
21:36<Dreakon>Yeah, I needed it for this site I'm on, I don't think they'll be allowing any new versions of it.
21:37<bja>Coburn: what do you want to do?
21:37<Dreakon>so holding at 1.83-2 is good enough for me
21:37<bja>Coburn: man socat
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21:37<Coburn>Is there anyway to get rtorrent to go in the background
21:37<ml|>screen :)
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21:38<Coburn>I mean, inside rtorrent - ie. minimize
21:38<Coburn>'cause I'm using SSH and I have to quit rtorrent to just get back my shell
21:38<jordanb>Can you hit C-z and then bg?
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21:39<jordanb>C-z [ret] (suspends rtorrent) bg (restarts rtorrent in the background)
21:39<Coburn>torrent@Azusa:~$ man socat
21:39<Coburn>No manual entry for socat
21:40<ml|>or use screen
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21:40<Coburn>jordanb: Close but no cigar
21:41<Coburn>could not find "bg"
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21:41<jordanb>You using bash?
21:41<jordanb>bg is a builtin bash command
21:42<Coburn>Yeah, but rtorrent ingores CTRL+Z
21:42<jordanb>You're screwed then.
21:42<jordanb>C-z should suspend it.
21:43<Coburn>There we go
21:43<Coburn>torrent@Azusa:~$ rtorrent &
21:43<Coburn>[2] 5894
21:44<Coburn>In background now.
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21:51<mezimezim>Hi! I would like to remotely control a computer (mine is Ubuntu 9.10, the other one is Debian lenny) - I guess I can use Vinagre for this, but I have no knowledge of networking whatsoever....any idea where I should start from (documentation, etc.) - do I just start vinagre and punch in the remote computer's IP adress...? The info on Vinagre website in not enough for me
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21:51<kop>mezimezim: What do you mean "remotely control"?
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21:52<titan8990>mezimezim: vinagre appears to only be the client. you will also need a vncserver on the machine that you will logging in to
21:52<sney>x11vnc is recommended since it controls an existing X instance rather than needing to make its own
21:52<sney>there is also ssh which is the way *real* sysads do remote control
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21:53<kop>And some sort of security is probably called for as well. Either a ssh tunnel or openvpn or something.
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21:54<mezimezim>sney - titan8990: so installing x11vnc on the remote computer would be step #1 ? then step #2 would be in vinagre on my computer...?
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21:55<sney>yes, then step #3 would be securing it so not everyone can take control of your debian server.
21:55<mezimezim>how so?
21:56<sney>well, are both machines on a local LAN or is one of them on the internet somewhere?
21:56<ml|>dpkg: vnc setup
21:56<dpkg>[vnc setup] Install <x11vnc> on the remote host and a VNC viewer on the local computer; Locally: ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remotehost; Remote run: x11vnc -display :0; Locally: vncviewer localhost; that's it! VNC securely tunneled over SSH!
21:56<sney>that works too
21:56<Coburn>Woot! rTorrent is rocking now! It was a bad torrent - tracker died. Thanks for your help, peeps!
21:56<titan8990>I didn't think we were really talking about a server. Thought it was desktop -> desktop. remote machine exposed
21:56<sney>titan8990: well, in standard parlance, server = the one running the server software
21:57<mezimezim>titan8990: yes, I mean desktop-desktop sney: I see, so dpkg's instructions are valid
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21:59<mezimezim>that's nice of you guys to help me out with this! I'll try it out and give you news in few days! Many thanks! This channel rocks!
21:59<sney>no problem
21:59<sney>if only they all were that easy
22:00<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
22:00<adb>me ..
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22:00<ml|>adb: I don't think you mean that ;)
22:00<jordanb>This channel is like #debian on freenode not wearing a goatee.
22:01<Coburn>freenode is horrible
22:01<Coburn>*looks around the channel list for a ubuntu channel*
22:02<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu ( instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>.
22:03<Coburn>bad advertising that - #ubuntu is a advertisment channel
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22:05<Coburn>How can Debian not install bzip2 ?
22:05*Coburn shakes fist
22:06<Coburn>It should be one of the base packages
22:06<adb>just install it
22:07<Coburn>I did
22:07<Coburn>Now I'm happy :)
22:07<adb>problem solved !
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22:08<Coburn>Is there any recommended swapiness ratio for web servers?
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22:08<Coburn>Say like if my site gets heavily loaded, I don't want to find out that my poor box is dying under the stress from swapping
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22:09<Coburn>I heard a swapiness of 60 is a good tradeoff, but I'm not quite sure.
22:09<ml|>the debian default should be fine
22:09<titan8990>Coburn: reducing swap will not help the stress of swapping... only increasing memory or reducing memory usage
22:10<Coburn>Well, this rig is a low-power 800Mhz rig, and has 256MB SDRAM clocked at the best settings
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22:10<Coburn>So upgrading RAM isn't an option unless I find some SDRAM
22:11<Coburn>Seems to be fine
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22:11<titan8990>Coburn: sdram souldn't be difficult to find
22:12<Coburn>I'll see how it goes - I sometimes use it for overnight file downloads
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22:13<titan8990>Coburn: my vps has 200mb of RAM, and it gets into swap occassionaly
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22:14<titan8990>Coburn: mysql is what gets into ram, if you are running an application that requires a database
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22:20<Coburn>where it sometimes uses like 1MB Swap and has 4MB free RAM, the rest is cached
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22:20<Coburn>last message got broken
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22:21<Coburn>I use SQLite
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22:21<Coburn>I don't like MySQL anymore
22:21<handheldCar>me neither
22:21<dr|z3d>Check Monty Widnu's fork.
22:21<handheldCar>except postgresql isn't always very supported
22:21<Coburn>sqlite installs within 1MB, MySQL requires like 60MB
22:22<Coburn>MySQL even with lite settings kills my box
22:23<Coburn>SQLite has only .01 - .05 load on the server, so it's a winner
22:23<dr|z3d>I've had PHP/MYDQL and Apache, with a good 10 dbs running fineon a 256MB 333 celeron..
22:23<dr|z3d>If MySQL is killing your box, you probably have it badly configured :)
22:24<Coburn>dr|z3d: mines a 256MB 800Mhz VIA Eden C3
22:24<dr|z3d>(or you're pushing a LOT of traffic)
22:25<Coburn>Well, it's going to be under a fair amount of load
22:25<Coburn>my website 3rd revision is based around a WebOS
22:25<dr|z3d>Coburn: If it's a dev box, configure it thusly. You don't need more than 1/2 dozen simultaneous connections, for one thing. I guess it really depends how you're using it..
22:25<dr|z3d>But it sounds like you're hosting live stuff.
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22:25<Coburn>Well, not really. At the moment, it's going nicely
22:26<Coburn>When my site relaunches, it's possibly going to take a beating (I'm thinking of using AJAX, etc)
22:26<Coburn>but meh
22:26<Coburn>I have a few other spare computers that I could use if the 800Mhz is getting stressed out
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22:40<austin_>If you have a IRC that does not let talk about warez visit <>
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22:40<titan8990>!ops austin_ spam
22:40<dpkg>Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: titan8990 complains about: austin_ spam
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22:50<DrDub>hello, I upgraded a Lenny into Squeeze and now it is a small mess. Among other things it doesn't have /dev/pts and /dev/shm upon booting.
22:50<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
22:51<DrDub>the file /etc/udev/links.conf contains those two files but they are not being created on boot
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22:51<titan8990>!udev squeeze
22:51<dpkg>As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>
22:52<ml|>yep was about to say that ^^^
22:52<DrDub>will try that. Thanks!
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22:53<ml|>DrDub: not sure how you moved to testing, but should had followed /msg dpkg stable->testing
22:54<DrDub>ml|: indeed
22:55<prone>I Love Debian!
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23:06<Coburn>screen is fun
23:07<hitchup>what is the site for pasting images like
23:07<Coburn>prone: Ditto
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23:07<centyx>ah yes, especially the multiuser stuff
23:07<centyx>debian rocks
23:07<centyx>ml|: yes i use testing
23:07<centyx>ml|: just saw your question
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23:08<Coburn>Why should people pay for remote access software when the best stuff is free? SSH is great.
23:09<ml|>centyx: just wanted to point out to you... for questions like before, for any package
23:10<centyx>ml|: ah thanks
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23:12<ml|>centyx: np and as you saw before xlockmore has serious issues
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23:15<Dreakon>Hey dudes and dudettes. You guys know of any fun multiplayer Linux games that don't use the mouse?
23:15<Dreakon>I'm on my laptop and the touchpad is tough to work with.
23:15<centyx>i've got a question. what's the best way to pass -nolisten to X when using startx/.xinitrc
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23:30<centyx>nobody gonna answer my question b/c you know i'm being lazy?
23:31<Redikal_Ed>whats your question?
23:31<centyx>Hi Redikal_Ed
23:31<centyx>what's the best way to pass -nolisten to X when using startx/.xinitrc
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23:31<centyx>that was it
23:32<Redikal_Ed>....yeah, im not that savvy yet so i can't answer your question. sorry
23:34<Coburn>what's the command to make screen run things in background?
23:34<Coburn>screen -d <command> ?
23:35<adb>man screen ?
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23:36<ml|>just disconnect from your ssh and it will still be there when you ssh back in and use screen -ls and then screen -raAd pid
23:36<jay_>hello, I'm using AwesomeWM, I add a few lines of code to get some programs to execute at start up, but the config file does not seem to run at all, anyone know what might be happening?
23:37<Coburn>I asked as I'm making a script to launch rTorrent, adb
23:37<Coburn>jay_: What's the problem?
23:37<Coburn>jay_: Are you sure the commands are right?
23:38<jay_>coburn, well, I modified the /home/username/.config/awesome/rc.lua, as that is the default config file acording to the menu, I checked the syntax with awesome -k and everything seems to be ok
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23:39<centyx>jay_: why don't you ask in #awesome?
23:40<jay_>hello, I'm using AwesomeWM, I add a few lines of code to get some programs to execute at start up, but the config file does not seem to run at all, anyone know what might be happening?
23:41<jay_>pfff, wrong channel
23:41<centyx>ok so my question was as simple as putting -nolisten tcp after the display. i just felt like asking.
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23:58<opticon>centyx dont know if this will help but have a look
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